Everything Star Wars!!

[Summers]

great, now I have to wait to see over here in the West :(. I just wanted to make sure where they put it. At the end :D.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
The OC isn't that bad. come on

It's Garbage, SMALLVILLE is so much better even Lost .

[Spanky]

The trailer is just freaking awesome. Which is good because I believe this is the movie that makes or breaks George Luca's career.

[saxman]

dang... i only caught the last 5 or 10 seconds, but that was good.

i couldnt wait to see the movie, now i really cant wait

[Spoon AZ]

nah it's funny!

They make geeky references all over the place. The drama is lame but it's good as a comedy

please someone find a liiiiiiink

I have to leave my house before it airs. I can tape it but I want to see it before I leave!

[PETER WEST]

OMG, Now this is going to be Awesome!!!!!!

The Trailer was unbelieveable.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Man, the sound didnt come up and it didnt even record all
I messed up.

*holds head down, goes to find it on the net*

[PETER WEST]

It's online on Hyperspace now,

[Graemo]

Hey UL, if you find it, could you PM the link, possibly? :D

[Spoon AZ]

is there anyway to link hyperspace for us Peter?

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
is there anyway to link hyperspace for us Peter?

I'll see what I can do, I don't think so, but I can try.

[F-Stop Blues]

that trailer totally rocked.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Ill get what i have, its about 2/3rds but no audio. :(

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
is there anyway to link hyperspace for us Peter?

no sorry you have to be a member. But don't worry it will be up Tommrow Online. Also you could get it on AOL right now too.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Full great quality trailer (http://s14.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1DT30Y3H66CSP2LJW4BA04OBLR )

Eat your heart out

[Spiked]

The trailer was freakin awesome! :)

[Graemo]

Sooo many dead links! Can't find any live ones! ARRRGHHHH.

UL's trailer was only a tease, now I want more!

[Graemo]

Well, that is absolutely amazing picture quality UL, I applaude you for that...But...Ohhh man...I need some sound! Have you found any live links to it? :o

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Graemo
Well, that is absolutely amazing picture quality UL, I applaude you for that...But...Ohhh man...I need some sound! Have you found any live links to it? :o

I got you, give me 10 more minutes.

;)

[Graemo]

Man, I PM'd you with a link. Don't worry about it ;).

WHOOOOOAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!
I am NOT WORTHY!

That was the single greatest two minutes of my life. No! Just joking of course, ;).

[Spoon AZ]

THAT TRAILER RULED THE EARTH!!!

[Unbreakable Lex]

Yeah it did.

Obi - You were the chosen one!

[CLS]

YES!!!!

Revenge Of The Sith aka When The Sith Hits The Fan!

"All the Jedi are enemies of the Republic!" Let the purge begin!

This is gonna be good-good-good!!

-cs™

[Summers]

awesome trailer!!

My sister and I watched it, and she was really hestiant. But by the end she was totally loving it. Awesome!!

And man Palptine started to look ugly really fast lol. A chill went down my spine. Evil Anakin looks very cool!!

[Unbreakable Lex]

This movie cannot fail! Its atleast going to be much better then the first two.

[Summers]

agreed, but there are always going to be some that wont like it.

Noticed how they didnt put much Padme in the trailer? they are keeping that one underwraps for now.

UL, will you still have that link on Page 35 later in the day? I'm at work, and this is someone else's computer. So I dont want to download just in case :)

[Spoon AZ]

I love Anakin walking into the temple with all the troops behind.

So bad@ss!

[Summers]

I love that part.

Interesting how they wont let Anakin become Master, and Ben is on the council. Poor Ben :(.

[Spoon AZ]

I don't know if it was just weird cutting of the scene, but when Mace tells Anakin he can't be a master, they show Obi-Wan look like he's smiling.

And I think they won't let Anakin be a master because he's only allowed on the council because Palpatine requests it.

Everyone else probably knows but I'm semi-spoiler free

[Summers]

smiling? k, when I get home to see I'll make sure to see it. Because it looked like he was concerned to me. But I'm not sure.

There could be number of reasons why he isnt Master.
-Yoda didnt approve of Ani, and he knows something is up with him
-Perhaps Ben said something

as an example....you can tell he didnt like that news

[Spoon AZ]

He probably was supposed to look concerned but he looked like he was smiling to me. Like a warm old man smile.

Watch it again.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Summers
agreed, but there are always going to be some that wont like it.

Noticed how they didnt put much Padme in the trailer? they are keeping that one underwraps for now.

UL, will you still have that link on Page 35 later in the day? I'm at work, and this is someone else's computer. So I dont want to download just in case :)

Yeah, unless the max dl's happen.

*thats the good trailer link too, i fixed it*


Originally posted by Spoon AZ
He probably was supposed to look concerned but he looked like he was smiling to me. Like a warm old man smile.

Watch it again.

yeah i saw that

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
I love Anakin walking into the temple with all the troops behind.

So bad@ss!

Yeah, I imagined hearing The Empireal march. (From ESB)


Here guys check this out.
New
Star Wars episode III teaser trailer. (http://s112352282.onlinehome.us/Ep3Trailer_pixelmagic720.mov)

The offical Trailer
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ok Obi-Wan says : Anakin "You were The chosen ONE"

notice he said "were" mean was,

so since Anakin fell to the Darkside of the force, Luke(A New Hope)was the next chosen one & if he fail it would be Leia, But since Luke didn't fall, then therefore Luke became "The One" He end it by bring his father Back from the Darkside.

Even in "The Empire Strikes Back" Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious Told Vader That if Luke became a jedi he would destory the Empire. (And that exactly what Luke did.)

In Retrun of The Jedi, Vader tells his Son that Luke is as powerful as The Emperor had said.

So with being said Luke became more powerful than his father. (He was the one who brought blance to The Force) not Anakin.

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[DarthClark]

Wow, Great pick PETER.

[Summers]

Originally posted by PETER WEST
Yeah, I imagined hearing The Empireal march. (From ESB)


Here guys check this out.
New
Star Wars episode III teaser trailer. (http://s112352282.onlinehome.us/Ep3Trailer_pixelmagic720.mov)

The offical Trailer
star wars episode III trailer (http://www.movie-list.net/exclusive/star-wars-ep3-trailer-hd-640.mov)

ok Obi-Wan says : Anakin "You were The chosen ONE"

notice he said "were" mean was,

so since Anakin fell to the Darkside of the force, Luke(A New Hope)was the next chosen one & if he fail it would be Leia, But since Luke didn't fall, then therefore Luke became "The One" He end it by bring his father Back from the Darkside.

Even in "The Empire Strikes Back" Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious Told Vader That if Luke became a jedi he would destory the Empire. (And that exactly what Luke did.)

In Retrun of The Jedi, Vader tells his Son that Luke is as powerful as The Emperor had said.
]

Peter has a point, however; Obi couldve meant he lost hope in Anakin since he is too far gone to the darkside.

[BuZzArD 8012]

I can't remember because it's been a while, but what Movie did Anakin get turn into Darth.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
I can't remember because it's been a while, but what Movie did Anakin get turn into Darth.

Um, This summers movie Star Wars Episode III:Revenge of The Sith.

[TATEone]

I'm sure this is already posted but heres a link to a good high res version of the sith trailer from last night. Beware though it is about 37 MB
http://www.movie-list.net/exclusive/star-wars-ep3-trailer-hd-640.mov

[Spoon AZ]

If Luke is the one who brought balance to the force, what did he do?

He didn't do anything. He didn't kill anyone.

He brought Vader to the light. But that doesn't bring balance.

Balance was brought when Vader tossed Palpatine into the shaft.

Vader brought the balance.

Prophecies are tricky. The prophecy was Vader would bring balance, but it didn't say he would bring the Force to the brink of destruction before he would bring the balance. That's what threw everyone off. No one expects a chosen one to do that kind of destruction before fulfilling a prophecy for good.

I think Obi-Wan's "were the chosen one" is his disbelief that this was happening.

He was thinking how could he be doing this? Your supposed to be the chosen one

[Unbreakable Lex]

Ask your selves something about Jedi and Sith.

Who were Luke and Leia's father again?

It is all connected to Anakin. He is the one, he is the chosen one. The one that brought balance to the force.

Luke and Leia are powerful yes, but not as powerful as Anakin.

They knew from Phantom Menace that Anakin was the chosen one, but he was found to late.

Anikan needed the help of Luke, yes, but thats all Luke was there for. To bring Anakin back from the Dark side.

You will see Padme almost does but Obi's presence screws it up.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
If Luke is the one who brought balance to the force, what did he do?

He didn't do anything. He didn't kill anyone.

He brought Vader to the light. But that doesn't bring balance.

Balance was brought when Vader tossed Palpatine into the shaft.


But that wouldve happened without Luke's faith in him. He didnt help balancing the Force with violence, but through love. The Darkside is violent while the light comes at with a different point of view. Vadar wouldve have killed Palpatine without Luke's determination to find his father inside that monster.

He tapped into it when no one could not.

the prophecy is tricking. It said he would balance the force, but it didnt speak about Luke. The prophecies dont always tell you everything. Why do you think the Emperor was searching the galaxy for the Skywalker twins.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
If Luke is the one who brought balance to the force, what did he do?

He didn't do anything. He didn't kill anyone.

He brought Vader to the light. But that doesn't bring balance.

Balance was brought when Vader tossed Palpatine into the shaft.

Vader brought the balance.

Prophecies are tricky. The prophecy was Vader would bring balance, but it didn't say he would bring the Force to the brink of destruction before he would bring the balance. That's what threw everyone off. No one expects a chosen one to do that kind of destruction before fulfilling a prophecy for good.

I think Obi-Wan's "were the chosen one" is his disbelief that this was happening.

He was thinking how could he be doing this? Your supposed to be the chosen one

Exactly.

Think of the word Balance. He did just that. Got rid of the extra good and the extra bad. He balanced it. That means killing Sith, but it also means killing Jedi. Sith and Jedi were causing the unbalancing of the Force. Anakin balanced it.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
Ask your selves something about Jedi and Sith.

Who were Luke and Leia's father again?

It is all connected to Anakin. He is the one, he is the chosen one. The one that brought balance to the force.

Luke and Leia are powerful yes, but not as powerful as Anakin.


that's where the discontinuity between the prequels and originals disagree lol.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Summers
But that wouldve happened without Luke's faith in him. He didnt help balancing the Force with violence, but through love. The Darkside is violent while the light comes at with a different point of view. Vadar wouldve have killed Palpatine without Luke's determination to find his father inside that monster.

He tapped into it when no one could not.

the prophecy is tricking. It said he would balance the force, but it didnt speak about Luke. The prophecies dont always tell you everything. Why do you think the Emperor was searching the galaxy for the Skywalker twins.

Because the Skywalker twins were Anikans children. They were powerful with the force and to Anikan and could sway Anikan from the Emperors grip.

Thats the power Luke had. The power to bring Vader back to Anikan.


Originally posted by Summers
that's where the discontinuity between the prequels and originals disagree lol.

What do you mean? You lost me.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
Huh?

:confused:

They didn't even need to make the prequils to know Anikan was the most powerful.

actually you do. In the originals they constantly speak of how powerful Luke is, and all of sudden in TPM there is a chosen one. In the ESB Emperor is scared of Luke's precense. Never spoken in the originals about a chosen one. Lucas is messing with his own mythology because he didnt include it in the originals. the originals point out Luke is the strongest.

there are discontinuity problems that many have spoken about.


Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
Because the Skywalker twins were Anikans children. They were powerful with the force and to Anikan and could sway Anikan from the Emperors grip.

Thats the power Luke had. The power to bring Vader back to Anikan.


I know that, and it was already stated in ESB. What I'm saying the prophecy doesnt tell you everything. They never do.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Thats because in A new hope, you had no idea who Anikan Skywalker was.

In the Empire Strikes Back we see that Darth is actually Luke's father.

In Return of the Jedi we learn that Vader killed the Emperor.

He isn't messing anything up. He is making them better and easier to understand. Luke wasn't the one born from the Force. Luke was born because of broken laws.

Anikan was the "chosen one". The one that the force produced.

Luke isn't the one. Anikan is and always have been.

In Empire Stikes back or RotJ Yoda or Obi, one of them tells Luke that Anikan was supposed to bring balance to the force. But, the dark side took him over. What they did not understand is that the Dark side had to over take him for him to balance out the good. Then balance out the bad by killing the emperor and having his son kill himself.

;)

Thats the way it always was supposed to be.

This is the real story.

You are forgetting that the network only let him produce the middle section. He originally had to leave out the beginning and end.

[Spoon AZ]

I agree Luke helped Anakin fulfill the prophecy.

But make no mistakes, Vader brought the balance.

Vader wouldn't have killed Palpatine without Luke.

He was his loyal servant up till Luke showed back up

[Summers]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
Thats because in A new hope, you had no idea who Anikan Skywalker was.

You are forgetting that the network only let him produce the middle section. He originally had to leave out the beginning and end.

Its the story now. In Star Wars biography on A & E he only wrote the originals. He thought of the prequels later in the 80s. the studio was going to cut off ESB until he stepped in, and let another person direct the feature. Like any creator Lucas has the tendency to lie to his fans flat out just to make it work. All creators do it. He is no different.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
I agree Luke helped Anakin fulfill the prophecy.

But make no mistakes, Vader brought the balance.

Vader wouldn't have killed Palpatine without Luke.

He was his loyal servant up till Luke showed back up
And Yoda and the Emperor knew this.

Thats why they knew Luke was powerful.

Luke would be able to sway anikan back to the Light side of the force.

Remember that Yoda said Luke MUST face Vader and only then he will be a Jedi.

Padme almost saves Anikan in ROTS but when Anikan sees that Padme brought Obi, he freaks out. If Padme had come alone, perhaps Vader would never have been.

Padme almost does in ROTS what Luke did in ROTJ. Does that make Padme as powerful? To Anikan yes.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
And Yoda and the Emperor knew this.

Thats why they knew Luke was powerful.

Luke would be able to sway anikan back to the Light side of the force.

Remember that Yoda said Luke MUST face Vader and only then he will be a Jedi.

Padme almost saves Anikan in ROTS but when Anikan sees that Padme brought Obi, he freaks out. If Padme had come alone, perhaps Vader would never have been.

Padme almost does in ROTS what Luke did in ROTJ. Does that make Padme as powerful? To Anikan yes.

k, we know this already. Our point was the prophecy never pointed out another variable on purpose. Luke is just as powerful as Anakin. Even more so in the books.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Summers
Its the story now. In Star Wars biography on A & E he only wrote the originals. He thought of the prequels later in the 80s. the studio was going to cut off ESB until he stepped in, and let another person direct the feature. Like any creator Lucas has the tendency to lie to his fans flat out just to make it work. All creators do it. He is no different.
I dont care if thats true or not. I love what he is doing with this.

It makes it all seem so much more epic.

[Snake_Corda]

Originally posted by Summers
k, we know this already. Our point was the prophecy never pointed out another variable on purpose. Luke is just as powerful as Anakin. Even more so in the books.

Exactly, Lucas always pushed for the Yin/Yang balance of Anakin and Luke. Luke never was billed as an inferior...yes he was THE catalyst for Vader conversion...but make no mistake, not once did Lucas ever insinuate that he was an lacking in the Force to Vader.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
I dont care if thats true or not. I love what he is doing with this.

It makes it all seem so much more epic.

It is true Lucas said it himself in the bio. I'm just saying some things just dont add up from the originals to the prequels. The things he thought up for the prequels he didnt add it to the originals.

I mean we are saying one thing that is still true in the original, and the new argument is what is being said because Lucas rearranged everything.

I'm not saying not to love it. In a way I love it, but in a way I dont. I dont hate it as much what they did the Harry Potter movie lol.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Summers
k, we know this already. Our point was the prophecy never pointed out another variable on purpose. Luke is just as powerful as Anakin. Even more so in the books.

All the prophecy said was that Anikan would balance the force. And balance it he did.

And the books contridict canon then and therefore shouldn't be considered canon. Did Lucas write the books?

Im not saying Luke isnt bad @ss, even more so then any other Jedi, excluding Anikan, I just think that Anikan is the one.

And until he makes 7,8 and 9. That is canon. Thats all.

:)

[Summers]

Originally posted by Snake_Corda
Exactly, Lucas always pushed for the Yin/Yang balance of Anakin and Luke. Luke never was billed as an inferior...yes he was THE catalyst for Vader conversion...but make no mistake, not once did Lucas ever insinuate that he was an lacking in the Force to Vader.

exactly, and he healed Mara Jade with out using the darkside. I mean each continuity is true in their own context.


Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
All the prophecy said was that Anikan would balance the force. And balance it he did.

And the books contridict canon then and therefore shouldn't be considered canon. Did Lucas write the books?:)

he didnt write them, but he acknowledges them in the tv show he is making.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
Ask your selves something about Jedi and Sith.

Who were Luke and Leia's father again?

It is all connected to Anakin. He is the one, he is the chosen one. The one that brought balance to the force.

Luke and Leia are powerful yes, but not as powerful as Anakin.

They knew from Phantom Menace that Anakin was the chosen one, but he was found to late.

Anikan needed the help of Luke, yes, but thats all Luke was there for. To bring Anakin back from the Dark side.

You will see Padme almost does but Obi's presence screws it up.

Sorry UL, you're right...Anakin is the chosen one...it's through him that his children, more specifically Luke, restore a balance in the force but to say that Anakin was more powerful than Luke is stretching it. Luke learned what he learned in about a 3 year time-span (give or take a little), yet he was able to stand up to both his father and Palpatine...the same Palpatine that broke down Anakin. Luke was older than young Anakin when he began his training, but was able to defeat his father and break down his defenses. Luke had very little training in the force but was able to use it to destroy the first Death Star. Of course we'll never know how powerful Leia would have been, although she did defeat that Old Republic Jedi Hutt in "Planet of Twilight or Children of the Jedi" I'm not sure which book.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Summers
It is true Lucas said it himself in the bio. I'm just saying some things just dont add up from the originals to the prequels. The things he thought up for the prequels he didnt add it to the originals.

I mean we are saying one thing that is still true in the original, and the new argument is what is being said because Lucas rearranged everything.

I'm not saying not to love it. In a way I love it, but in a way I don’t. I don’t hate it as much what they did the Harry Potter movie lol.

You are mad that he changed HIS story? I don't see that he did. It all works IMHO. Ok, so maybe he added in the cities at the end of ROTJ, he replaced Anikan at the end, so what.

He didn't have that footage before during the making of ROTJ. Now he does. Big deal. It’s his intellectual property.

Why are you mad at that?

I think it adds to it as a whole. Why not change a few things here and there to make it work? It makes all of them work.

Im telling you that in a year from now, I am going to swing out to Southern Cali with All 6 movies and sit down with you and watch them all.

You will be glad he made the little changes he did in the long run!

[Summers]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
You are mad that he changed HIS story. I don't see that he did. It all works IMHO. Ok, so maybe he added in the cities at the end of ROTJ, he replaced Anikan at the end, so what.

He didn't have that footage before during the making of ROTJ. Now he does. Big deal. It’s his intellectual property.

Why are you mad at that?

I think it adds to it as a whole. Why not change a few things here and there to make it work? It makes all of them work.

Im telling you that in a year from now, I am going to swing out to Southern Cali with All 6 movies and sit down with you and watch them all.

You will be glad he made the little changes he did in the long run!

WTF?? I never said I was mad. I didnt say I loved them to death either. Please dont put words in my mouth. I'm just saying what is said in the originals contradicts himself in the prequels. That's I am pointing out.

I wont be glad he made the changes in the long run. The prequels arent as good as the originals.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
You are mad that he changed HIS story. I don't see that he did. It all works IMHO. Ok, so maybe he added in the cities at the end of ROTJ, he replaced Anikan at the end, so what.

He didn't have that footage before during the making of ROTJ. Now he does. Big deal. It’s his intellectual property.

Why are you mad at that?

I think it adds to it as a whole. Why not change a few things here and there to make it work? It makes all of them work.

Im telling you that in a year from now, I am going to swing out to Southern Cali with All 6 movies and sit down with you and watch them all.

You will be glad he made the little changes he did in the long run!

I agree as long as this movie is as good as it looks like it will be. The first 2 eps were nothing more than history lessons for me....This is the real thing.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Summers
WTF?? I never said I was mad. I didnt say I loved them to death either. Please dont put words in my mouth. I'm just saying what is said in the originals contradicts himself in the prequels. That's I am pointing out.

I wont be glad he made the changes in the long run. The prequels arent as good as the originals.

:lol: OMG

:rotfl:

That is funny. Who's putting words in your mouth? I was asking? You are mad that he changed his story?

:lol:

What a joke.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
I dont care if thats true or not. I love what he is doing with this.

It makes it all seem so much more epic.

Yeah I can see how episode I II III,are conneted to IV V VI, However I still say Luke is the one who brought blance to the Force, (he became more powerful than his father, both in the movie and in The books (Star Wars: Expanded Universe) UL in these books following ROTJ, Luke became the ultilmate Jedi Master. He was the most powerful Man in the galaxy.

[Spoon AZ]

You have to ask yourselves one more question about who the chosen one was.

Luke was born from Vader.

But Vader was born from a vergance in the freakin' force!!!

He was an immaculate conception!

What further proof do you need?

[jazner]

Ahhh, the old "old triology vs. the new trilogy" debate. I've heard this one a few times since 1999. I really don't know if the two are comparable to be honest. When I watched the original Star Wars, I was five freakin' years old. FIVW. Not many five year olds are gonna break down the characters, and analyize the plot, script, score and cinimatography......not where I come from anyway. We're watching these new films as adults, and that means everything. In addition, I have a cousin who is 11 now. These films are as cool to him as the originals were to me.

That pretty much says it all. As for me, do I think these are as good as the originals? I think aspects of them are. The lightsaber dules are INCREDIBLE, some of the characters have been pretty well written too (Liem Nissen was everything a Jedi should be about). However, the love story was a total yawner for me, and while I think this will change after I see Ep III, Christiansen still hasn't impressed me as an actor either.

In closing, I said after seeing Ep I in 1999 that I would hold off on judging this trilogy until I'd seen all three chapters of the story. Until May 19th, I still stand firm on that philosophy.

"May the force be with you........always."

[Snake_Corda]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
You have to ask yourselves one more question about who the chosen one was.

Luke was born from Vader.

But Vader was born from a vergance in the freakin' force!!!

He was an immaculate conception!

What further proof do you need?

While I agree with you Spoon on so many levels, isn't the gist of this whole story always been about Good conquering Evil. In that context, even though Anakin is an immaculate conception...you cannot have his savior be anything less than greater than him.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
You have to ask yourselves one more question about who the chosen one was.

Luke was born from Vader.

But Vader was born from a vergance in the freakin' force!!!

He was an immaculate conception!

What further proof do you need?

yes,

yes,

No

Anakin as Darth Vader cause the death of millions, he was feared thought the galaxy, The Empire nearly destroyed the galaxy.

Luke saved the galaxy,(Why is it called "A NEW HOPE" )Qui-Gon Jinn was wrong Anakin was not the chosen one. The jedi of the old republic never believed that Anakin was "The Chosen ONE"(Mace Windu, Yoda) only Qui-Gon Jinn did, not even Obi-Wan thought Anakin was the one, but he trained him out of respect to his dead master Qui-Gon Jinn. Yoda knew Anakin wasn't the one. However in EPS & ROTJ, He knew Luke was The One.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by PETER WEST
Yeah I can see how episode I II III,are conneted to IV V VI, However I still say Luke is the one who brought blance to the Force, (he became more powerful than his father, both in the movie and in The books (Star Wars: Expanded Universe) UL in these books following ROTJ, Luke became the ultilmate Jedi Master. He was the most powerful Man in the galaxy.

With Anikan dead.

Anikan became the most powerful with the likes of Mace, Sidious and Yoda walking the earth.

;)

[tiger17]

Anakin gave in to the Darkside....Luke did not....period.

Who's da man?

[Summers]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
:lol: OMG

:rotfl:

That is funny. Who's putting words in your mouth? I was asking? You are mad that he changed his story?

:lol:

What a joke.

you did..you said, "You are mad that he changed HIS story". That's putting words in my mouth. I clearly stated I wasnt mad. I said I didnt love it or hate it. Its a neutral zone.


Originally posted by tiger17
Anakin gave in to the Darkside....Luke did not....period.

Who's da man?

exactly. thank you....in the end Anakin was the weakness mentally and emotionally.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Summers
exactly. thank you....in the end Anakin was the weakness mentally and emotionally.

Thats fine but the point is it was Anikan that was the chosen one to bring balance to the force. Thats the point.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
Thats fine but the point is it was Anikan that was the chosen one to bring balance to the force. Thats the point.

once again that's contradicted in the originals. One says one thing and other says another.

[Backward Galaxy]

Personally, a big problem I have with the prequels is that I don't see Anakin as particularly heroic. I don't even think he's all that good a guy. This isn't the story of some great awesome hero who falls... This is the story of some spoiled brat who does whatever the heck he wants. Period.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Backward Galaxy
Personally, a big problem I have with the prequels is that I don't see Anakin as particularly heroic. I don't even think he's all that good a guy. This isn't the story of some great awesome hero who falls... This is the story of some spoiled brat who does whatever the heck he wants. Period.

Thats not how I see it at all.

I see it as a man with a destiny. That destiny was to bring balance to the force. I'm not sticking up for Anikan or saying that he is some mystical creature of God or the Left hand of God or anything.

Im just stating what the story of Star Wars is.

Its the story of Anikan Skywalker. Its unique in that the main character is the villain.

Of course Luke is more loved and did the right thing and is the story's hero.

But Anikan still remains the chosen one. Its a great tragedy in my eyes.

But in the end, he accomplished his destiny. It may not have been a heroic way of doing so but thats what makes this story so unique and original.

The child born from the Force with more connection to the force then any other learns the force, falls victim to the dark side (which is totally believable) and is brought back from the dark side by his son leaving the world in a state of peace.

Who knows what would have happened with out him. Perhaps the Jedi would have one, or perhaps no one would have been able to kill the Emperor.

Again, I am not saying Anakin is a hero in any way. But he is still the chosen one. And nothing done in the OT discounts that.

When the OT came out, we just didn't know the whole story. Luke was a product of Anikan.

The fact that Anikan was so powerful, yet held back contributed to Luke and Leia. Contributed to the fall of the Jedi, contributed to his fall to the dark side. He thought like the Emperor, saying so in ATOC, he wanted a monarchy. Anikan was never a good guy, maybe in the TPM, but he wasn't even good in ATOC. So don't get me wrong, im not praising anything Anikan did. But the fact remains that Star Wars is his Story.


Originally posted by Summers
once again that's contradicted in the originals. One says one thing and other says another.

And I strongly disagree. So we will have to agree to disagree.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex

And I strongly disagree. So we will have to agree to disagree.

That's fine, but the truth of the matter is the fanbase of Star Wars is divided on this debate. Because of the contradictions and lies by Lucas, and story between the two trilogies. And it will continuie on just like the debates on tv shows and film.

I stand by the originals. I will enjoy EP3 for enterinment value, but I view Anakin the same way as BG. And I view Luke in the same manner as Peter. That's my side, and I will agree to disagree.

[Unbreakable Lex]

I just don't see anything that the originals did being contridicted by the prequels.

I really don't.


Originally posted by Backward Galaxy
Personally, a big problem I have with the prequels is that I don't see Anakin as particularly heroic. I don't even think he's all that good a guy. This isn't the story of some great awesome hero who falls... This is the story of some spoiled brat who does whatever the heck he wants. Period.

Obi is the hero in the pre-quels, not Anikan.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Backward Galaxy
Personally, a big problem I have with the prequels is that I don't see Anakin as particularly heroic. I don't even think he's all that good a guy. This isn't the story of some great awesome hero who falls... This is the story of some spoiled brat who does whatever the heck he wants. Period.

If you were keeping track of the video games, the cartoons, and the Clone Wars books you'd know that he's the hero Obi-Wan says he is in a New Hope. However in the first part of Revenge of the Sith you'll see it too.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by PETER WEST
Um, This summers movie Star Wars Episode III:Revenge of The Sith.

Thx :) .

[tiger17]

You know, upon reflection I realize that whatever the prequells tell us about Anakin being "the One" is perfectly alright and doesn't actually "contradict" what the original trilogy tells us about Luke being "the One". You see, Luke doesn't exist in the prequells...the notion of him doesn't even exist. Therefore, Anakin must be "the One", because he's the only one that fits the bill in the prequells. When the original trilogy introduces the character of Luke then there are two who fit the bill and this is where the question comes in. However, the idea of Luke being "the One"(and this is clearly a point of contention) ,even after the prequells tell us its Anakin, is not a contradiction...it's a plot twist. Chronologically, the OT happens AFTER the prequells...that means what they tell us about the characters is not a contradiction...it's a change nothing more. An example of a condradiction (and this is simply an example..not a spec or spoiler) would be if Padme died immediately after giving birth and never knowing Leia at all when in the OT Leia clearly has "memories" of her mother...but the prequells telling us Anakin is the one and the OT telling us Luke is the one is not a contradiction.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by tiger17
You know, upon reflection I realize that whatever the prequells tell us about Anakin being "the One" is perfectly alright and doesn't actually "contradict" what the original trilogy tells us about Luke being "the One". You see, Luke doesn't exist in the prequells...the notion of him doesn't even exist. Therefore, Anakin must be "the One", because he's the only one that fits the bill in the prequells. When the original trilogy introduces the character of Luke then there are two who fit the bill and this is where the question comes in. However, the idea of Luke being "the One"(and this is clearly a point of contention) ,even after the prequells tell us its Anakin, is not a contradiction...it's a plot twist. Chronologically, the OT happens AFTER the prequells...that means what they tell us about the characters is not a contradiction...it's a change nothing more. An example of a condradiction (and this is simply an example..not a spec or spoiler) would be if Padme died immediately after giving birth and never knowing Leia at all when in the OT Leia clearly has "memories" of her mother...but the prequells telling us Anakin is the one and the OT telling us Luke is the one is not a contradiction.


Leia OT mother....i.e. Bail Organa's wife.

[tiger17]

Originally posted by Spanky
Leia OT mother....i.e. Bail Organa's wife.

RoTJ:

Luke- Leia, do remember anything about OUR mother?

Leia- Just vague things here and there...she was beautiful....



Clearly they speak of Padme.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by tiger17
You know, upon reflection I realize that whatever the prequells tell us about Anakin being "the One" is perfectly alright and doesn't actually "contradict" what the original trilogy tells us about Luke being "the One". You see, Luke doesn't exist in the prequells...the notion of him doesn't even exist. Therefore, Anakin must be "the One", because he's the only one that fits the bill in the prequells. When the original trilogy introduces the character of Luke then there are two who fit the bill and this is where the question comes in. However, the idea of Luke being "the One"(and this is clearly a point of contention) ,even after the prequells tell us its Anakin, is not a contradiction...it's a plot twist. Chronologically, the OT happens AFTER the prequells...that means what they tell us about the characters is not a contradiction...it's a change nothing more. An example of a condradiction (and this is simply an example..not a spec or spoiler) would be if Padme died immediately after giving birth and never knowing Leia at all when in the OT Leia clearly has "memories" of her mother...but the prequells telling us Anakin is the one and the OT telling us Luke is the one is not a contradiction.

I never heard anyone mention in the OT that Luke was the one.

Never.

[tiger17]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
I never heard anyone mention in the OT that Luke was the one.

Never.


Obi Wan "suggests" to Yoda in ESB that Luke may be the one.

and again in RoTJ.

Obi Wan- That boy may be our last hope(the One)

Yoda- No. There is another....

[Spanky]

Originally posted by tiger17
RoTJ:

Luke- Leia, do remember anything about OUR mother?

Leia- Just vague things here and there...she was beautiful....



Clearly they speak of Padme.

Sorry man...you're wrong.

Luke - Leia, do you remember anything about YOUR mother?


Luke hadn't told her yet. go back and watch it if you don't believe me. Luke didn't know anything about his mother so he may have thought so, but he clearly says YOUR mother.


Originally posted by tiger17
Obi Wan "suggests" to Yoda in ESB that Luke may be the one.

and again in RoTJ.

Obi Wan- That boy may be our last hope(the One)

Yoda- No. There is another....


Just because Obi-Wan says that Luke may be their last hope doesn't mean he's the One. You are taking words out of context.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Spanky
Sorry man...you're wrong.

Luke - Leia, do you remember anything about YOUR mother?


Luke hadn't told her yet. go back and watch it if you don't believe me. Luke didn't know anything about his mother so he may have thought so, but he clearly says YOUR mother.


does say Your in the dialogue, but we still havent seen Organa's wife. Besides Luke said "your real mother" which suggest Padme.

[tiger17]

Originally posted by Spanky
Sorry man...you're wrong.

Luke - Leia, do you remember anything about YOUR mother?


Luke hadn't told her yet. go back and watch it if you don't believe me. Luke didn't know anything about his mother so he may have thought so, but he clearly says YOUR mother.




Just because Obi-Wan says that Luke may be their last hope doesn't mean he's the One. You are taking words out of context.


You've got me on the first one, but on the second point I'm not taking anything out of context. What I'm doing is inferring what Obi Wan "means" when he says "last hope". I hoestly believe that he is suggesting that Luke is the One....or could be at least.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Summers
does say Your in the dialogue, but we still havent seen Organa's wife. Besides Luke said "your real mother" which suggest Padme.

THIS INVOLVES SPOILERS

Oops...I forgot to add REAL...but the thing is that at the time of when the Skywalker children were separated, neither knew the truth. As far as Luke knew his father was a freighter pilot, and as far as Leia knew the Organa's were her parents. I'm saying that its inferred that Luke meant their mother, but Leia answered with the mother she grew up knowing. Remember neither knew the truth at first. When Luke talks to Leia he thinks that Padme was with Leia, but Leia doesn't know Padme, only the mother that raised her. The woman she grew up with as her mother was either Mrs. Organa or someone else she knew as her mother....not Padme.

[Summers]

we still dont know want Organa told Leia. He couldve clearly told Leia that they adopted her after Padme passed away. That part of the story is missing.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by tiger17
You've got me on the first one, but on the second point I'm not taking anything out of context. What I'm doing is inferring what Obi Wan "means" when he says "last hope". I hoestly believe that he is suggesting that Luke is the One....or could be at least.

Well you can infer alot but Luke was being trained to stop the Empire...i.e. the Sith. There was never any talk of him being the One. There is only one ONE, therefore Leia never could have been the One. There is only one person that fit the prophecy and that person is Anakin Skywalker.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by tiger17
Obi Wan "suggests" to Yoda in ESB that Luke may be the one.

and again in RoTJ.

Obi Wan- That boy may be our last hope(the One)

Yoda- No. There is another....

:lol:

Notice how you had to put in (the one).

He is the last of the Jedi, thats all. Since he came from Anikan, the force carried to him and Leia. Obi and Ben couldn't beat Vader and Sidious, Luke, coming from Anikan has a chance.

See you assume there and you know what they say about assumptions.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Summers
we still dont know want Organa told Leia. He couldve clearly told Leia that they adopted her after Padme passed away. That part of the story is missing.

Well this takes some thought but lets put it this way. Just like Owen and Beru told Anakin a different story, Bail Organa would have had to tell Leia her own story. Because she refers to Bail as her father and she does follow his footsteps into the Senate you can see that he raised her under the guise that she is his true daughter. Remember that the babies were hidden to keep them away from Vader and Palpatine. Well how do you hide a child...especially a force sensitive one? You have to give them a whole new identity, and they can't know the truth because their feeling can betray them. Leia was around Vader enough (Ref: Star Wars: Empire, Marvel Star Wars comics, and Star Wars: Splinter of the Minds Eye) to where if she knew her mother, Vader (using the force) would have picked up on it. So yes the story is missing, and yeah he could have told Leia she was adopted, but in order for her to be properly hidden she couldn't have any knowledge of Skywalker history, meaning no knowledge of Padme.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Spanky
Well this takes some thought but lets put it this way. Just like Owen and Beru told Anakin a different story, Bail Organa would have had to tell Leia her own story. Because she refers to Bail as her father and she does follow his footsteps into the Senate you can see that he raised her under the guise that she is his true daughter. Remember that the babies were hidden to keep them away from Vader and Palpatine. Well how do you hide a child...especially a force sensitive one? You have to give them a whole new identity, and they can't know the truth because their feeling can betray them. Leia was around Vader enough (Ref: Star Wars: Empire, Marvel Star Wars comics, and Star Wars: Splinter of the Minds Eye) to where if she knew her mother, Vader (using the force) would have picked up on it. So yes the story is missing, and yeah he could have told Leia she was adopted, but in order for her to be properly hidden she couldn't have any knowledge of Skywalker history, meaning no knowledge of Padme.

well, she doesnt have to know the history of what happened. All she has to know is her mother which is referred to in ROTJ "your real mother".....When your adopted you say that. My mom is adopted, and she says the same thing. Padme or Organa doesnt have to tell what happened to Anakin whatsoever.

[Unbreakable Lex]

All they have to do is have them share a moment.

[Summers]

Not IMO. they need more than just one moment for the quote in ROTJ work.

[PaulNeb]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex

Im telling you that in a year from now, I am going to swing out to Southern Cali with All 6 movies and sit down with you and watch them all.



George Lucas says that he is looking forward to doing that. (It's on the bonus disk of the Trilogy DVD set.)

I'll be doing it too.

It'll be fun.

12+ hours of Star Wars.

:D

[tiger17]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
All they have to do is have them share a moment.

Exactly. If they don't or if it's not implied then its a contradiction. but that remains to be seen.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Summers
well, she doesnt have to know the history of what happened. All she has to know is her mother which is referred to in ROTJ "your real mother".....When your adopted you say that. My mom is adopted, and she says the same thing. Padme or Organa doesnt have to tell what happened to Anakin whatsoever.

Okay lets add a little more here. Padme is pregnant in EP3 right? Bail Organa is a well-known Senator taking part in the Clone Wars. He's the one that the remaining Jedi entrust Leia to, right?
Because of Organa's fame as a politician and his past connections to Palpatine and Valorum (reference EPs 1 and 2, Star Wars:Republic comics) his story has to be air tight. Adoptions have paper work. Vader knows his child would be around her age. Its safest for Bail Organa just to say Leia is his natural daughter. That story has to stay straight to protect Leia, much like Clark's story has to stay straight in Superman. Organa can't have any suspcions or questions surrounding where his adopted daughter came from, and therefore he couldn't tell her either because her feelings about adoption can betray her. Yes this is a little out there, but you have to think that the Jedi, the Lars, and the Organas knew to take every precaution with the twins.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Summers
Not IMO. they need more than just one moment for the quote in ROTJ work.

Not for me. :)

[PaulNeb]

With all the contradictions and all the discrepancies I have to remember what Obi Wan told Luke when they were sitting on Dagobah.

A great number of the truths we hold dear are dependant on your point of view.

I'm not claiming this is the exact quote, but you get the idea. The Star Wars saga is told from many different points of views, so I almost expect some inconsistancies in the movies.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Spanky
Okay lets add a little more here. Padme is pregnant in EP3 right? Bail Organa is a well-known Senator taking part in the Clone Wars. He's the one that the remaining Jedi entrust Leia to, right?
Because of Organa's fame as a politician and his past connections to Palpatine and Valorum (reference EPs 1 and 2, Star Wars:Republic comics) his story has to be air tight. Adoptions have paper work. Vader knows his child would be around her age. Its safest for Bail Organa just to say Leia is his natural daughter. That story has to stay straight to protect Leia, much like Clark's story has to stay straight in Superman. Organa can't have any suspcions or questions surrounding where his adopted daughter came from, and therefore he couldn't tell her either because her feelings about adoption can betray her. Yes this is a little out there, but you have to think that the Jedi, the Lars, and the Organas knew to take every precaution with the twins.

They will. Also, remember, Vader didn't know there were twins.

[Summers]

Originally posted by PaulNeb
With all the contradictions and all the discrepancies I have to remember what Obi Wan told Luke when they were sitting on Dagobah.

A great number of the truths we hold dear are dependant on your point of view.

I'm not claiming this is the exact quote, but you get the idea. The Star Wars saga is told from many different points of views, so I almost expect some inconsistancies in the movies.

well said, and excellent point :).

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by PaulNeb
With all the contradictions and all the discrepancies I have to remember what Obi Wan told Luke when they were sitting on Dagobah.

A great number of the truths we hold dear are dependant on your point of view.

I'm not claiming this is the exact quote, but you get the idea. The Star Wars saga is told from many different points of views, so I almost expect some inconsistancies in the movies.

Thats a good point, and I've never had a problem making things work in my head.

[alphaomega618]

Does it really matter how many mistakes or indescrepencies(sp) there are as long as it's great. Any kind of series extensive as Star Wars is going to have these. The only thing you can do is try to come up with an explanation of your own. It should be all about the fun and the show. But to just dismiss these by making up reason that they are there isn't realing helping anything. I think Lucas is put alot of work into this movie and I bet he ends up explaining more than we expect.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Unbreakable Lex
They will. Also, remember, Vader didn't know there were twins.

Oh, of course I remember that Vader doesn't know they are twins, but he also doesn't know if his child was a boy or girl...and he got both. Anyways, I'm sure any inconsistancies will be mentioned in the upcoming movie, books, and comics.

[Spoon AZ]

Originally posted by PETER WEST


Luke saved the galaxy,(Why is it called "A NEW HOPE" )Qui-Gon Jinn was wrong Anakin was not the chosen one.

Okay then why was Leia another hope?

Is there more than one chosen one?

Obi-Wan "That boy was our last hope."

Yoda: "No...there is another."

Obi and Yoda sure didn't sound like they thought Luke was the chosen one in that conversation

Sounds more like they hoped he would bring Vader back to the light. They knew Obi couldn't. They knew Yoda couldn't.

But his flesh and blood could. And if Luke dies? In their minds, there was still Leia. Again, not the chosen one.

Also don't forget the council told Anakin he wasn't the chosen one while being manipulated by a Sith Lord while their powers were being diminished. Don't you think Sidious would go right for the chosen one? Do whatever he could to the council with the darkside to make them think he wasn't the chosen one?

And who was the only Jedi wise and experienced enough to be on the coucil but wasn't? Qui-Gon. And who thought Anakin was the chosen one and was shocked when nobody else could see it? Qui-Gon. And Obi-Wan was just a padawan so he couldn't tell either.

[Chi Town]

FYI all. Saw the movie Robots tonight and they had the full trailer befire the movie. Looks even better on the big screen (of course).
Kinda Odd after they said today that it will most likely have a PG-13 rating

[Unbreakable Lex]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
Okay then why was Leia another hope?

Is there more than one chosen one?

Obi-Wan "That boy was our last hope."

Yoda: "No...there is another."

Obi and Yoda sure didn't sound like they thought Luke was the chosen one in that conversation

Sounds more like they hoped he would bring Vader back to the light. They knew Obi couldn't. They knew Yoda couldn't.

But his flesh and blood could. And if Luke dies? In their minds, there was still Leia. Again, not the chosen one.

Also don't forget the council told Anakin he wasn't the chosen one while being manipulated by a Sith Lord while their powers were being diminished. Don't you think Sidious would go right for the chosen one? Do whatever he could to the council with the darkside to make them think he wasn't the chosen one?

And who was the only Jedi wise and experienced enough to be on the coucil but wasn't? Qui-Gon. And who thought Anakin was the chosen one and was shocked when nobody else could see it? Qui-Gon. And Obi-Wan was just a padawan so he couldn't tell either.

A big fat WORD.


Originally posted by Chi Town
FYI all. Saw the movie Robots tonight and they had the full trailer befire the movie. Looks even better on the big screen (of course).
Kinda Odd after they said today that it will most likely have a PG-13 rating

Thanks, another reason to take the boy to see Robots.

:D

[Backward Galaxy]

In regards to Obi-Wan being the hero and not Anakin:

Regardless who the main hero is, in order for me to believe that Darth Vader began as this great Jedi, worthy of Luke's compassion in ROTJ, worthy of Luke's speech about how he can still feel good in the guy, Anakin should be a hero too. I have seen nothing in the prequels that makes me believe this. Maybe in Episode I, but he's just a little kid who doesn't know any better. In Episode II, he's selfish and impulsive and does whatever he wants. He isn't heroic, he's just allied with Padme because he's got the hots for her. As result of his allegiance with a hottie on the "good guys" side, he fights for the good guys. If Padme was a baddie, I don't see Anakin as a character who would have been able to make the distinction and act accordingly. I don't see the "good" in him.

In regards to seeing Anakin as heroic in Clone Wars, etc...

Most people don't see the Clone Wars and Lucas should not have to rely on a cartoon show to tell his story. As far as I'm concerned, they don't count. Only what is seen in the films counts, and nothing I have seen in the films makes me believe that the Anakin character is "good" in any way. He simply goes with the good guys because they got to him first.

Not only that, but Luke's story was supposed to parallel his father's story. This is a central theme to the original trilogy. This is what makes Luke's hand getting chopped off so important. This is why Obi-Wan and Yoda were so worried about Luke being seduced by the dark side. It's because they were worried Luke would fall the same way Anakin did. This is also what made the scene in ESB where Luke fights "Vader" at the cave so important and so symbolic. Luke is like Anakin, but at the same time he's not.

This is the inherent problem with the prequels. Anakin is a little butt-whipe. He fights for Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan and Padme because they find him first. He fights the Droid Controller ship because they just happen to be shooting at him and his new "friends" - the people who found him first. In II, he blatantly disobeys Obi-Wan whenever it suits him, and I would argue that his only motivation for doing ANYTHING is so he can protect Padme and the only reason he's a good guy is because she is.

In my opinion, by showing Anakin in this light, it totally takes away from his redemption in ROTJ because it turns him into just some big jerk who makes ONE good decision in his entire life.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Backward Galaxy
In regards to Obi-Wan being the hero and not Anakin:

Regardless who the main hero is, in order for me to believe that Darth Vader began as this great Jedi, worthy of Luke's compassion in ROTJ, worthy of Luke's speech about how he can still feel good in the guy, Anakin should be a hero too. I have seen nothing in the prequels that makes me believe this. Maybe in Episode I, but he's just a little kid who doesn't know any better. In Episode II, he's selfish and impulsive and does whatever he wants. He isn't heroic, he's just allied with Padme because he's got the hots for her. As result of his allegiance with a hottie on the "good guys" side, he fights for the good guys. If Padme was a baddie, I don't see Anakin as a character who would have been able to make the distinction and act accordingly. I don't see the "good" in him.

In regards to seeing Anakin as heroic in Clone Wars, etc...

Most people don't see the Clone Wars and Lucas should not have to rely on a cartoon show to tell his story. As far as I'm concerned, they don't count. Only what is seen in the films counts, and nothing I have seen in the films makes me believe that the Anakin character is "good" in any way. He simply goes with the good guys because they got to him first.

Not only that, but Luke's story was supposed to parallel his father's story. This is a central theme to the original trilogy. This is what makes Luke's hand getting chopped off so important. This is why Obi-Wan and Yoda were so worried about Luke being seduced by the dark side. It's because they were worried Luke would fall the same way Anakin did. This is also what made the scene in ESB where Luke fights "Vader" at the cave so important and so symbolic. Luke is like Anakin, but at the same time he's not.

This is the inherent problem with the prequels. Anakin is a little butt-whipe. He fights for Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan and Padme because they find him first. He fights the Droid Controller ship because they just happen to be shooting at him and his new "friends" - the people who found him first. In II, he blatantly disobeys Obi-Wan whenever it suits him, and I would argue that his only motivation for doing ANYTHING is so he can protect Padme and the only reason he's a good guy is because she is.

In my opinion, by showing Anakin in this light, it totally takes away from his redemption in ROTJ because it turns him into just some big jerk who makes ONE good decision in his entire life.

In EP1 a young Anakin went out of his way to help Qui-Gon get the credits needed. Does that sound evil to you. You can compare him to Smallville's Lex Luthor where he doesn't start off evil but becomes evil by slowly walking that path. Power is intoxicating and the Dark Side of the Force does that for Anakin.

The cartoons, the books, and the comics count. Its been that way since Lucasfilm announced that the continuity continued with everything including videogames. This happened in 1991 when "Heir to the Empire," by Timothy Zahn came out,and its been that way ever since. Lucasfilm even confirmed that the pre- 90's books and comics fell into the Star Wars continuim. With that said you really need to read the comics and books from EP1 on to get a real feel for Anakin Skywalker and what he did. I highly suggest first reading "Rogue Planet," by Greg Bear. But you can't tell anyone here that you can't count the cartoons, comics, and books, when Lucasfilm announced 14 years years ago that they do count. Thats why fans like me are in our heyday everytime a Star Wars book and comic comes out, and why'll I'm going to be first in line for the cartoon DVD.

[Spiked]

Went to see Robots today (cute movie) and they had the new Star Wars trailer with it. After it showed everyone in the audience was clapping and shouting. It was really cool. :)

[lex_4_president]

Originally posted by Backward Galaxy
In regards to Obi-Wan being the hero and not Anakin:

Regardless who the main hero is, in order for me to believe that Darth Vader began as this great Jedi, worthy of Luke's compassion in ROTJ, worthy of Luke's speech about how he can still feel good in the guy, Anakin should be a hero too. I have seen nothing in the prequels that makes me believe this. Maybe in Episode I, but he's just a little kid who doesn't know any better. In Episode II, he's selfish and impulsive and does whatever he wants. He isn't heroic, he's just allied with Padme because he's got the hots for her. As result of his allegiance with a hottie on the "good guys" side, he fights for the good guys. If Padme was a baddie, I don't see Anakin as a character who would have been able to make the distinction and act accordingly. I don't see the "good" in him.

In regards to seeing Anakin as heroic in Clone Wars, etc...

Most people don't see the Clone Wars and Lucas should not have to rely on a cartoon show to tell his story. As far as I'm concerned, they don't count. Only what is seen in the films counts, and nothing I have seen in the films makes me believe that the Anakin character is "good" in any way. He simply goes with the good guys because they got to him first.

Not only that, but Luke's story was supposed to parallel his father's story. This is a central theme to the original trilogy. This is what makes Luke's hand getting chopped off so important. This is why Obi-Wan and Yoda were so worried about Luke being seduced by the dark side. It's because they were worried Luke would fall the same way Anakin did. This is also what made the scene in ESB where Luke fights "Vader" at the cave so important and so symbolic. Luke is like Anakin, but at the same time he's not.

This is the inherent problem with the prequels. Anakin is a little butt-whipe. He fights for Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan and Padme because they find him first. He fights the Droid Controller ship because they just happen to be shooting at him and his new "friends" - the people who found him first. In II, he blatantly disobeys Obi-Wan whenever it suits him, and I would argue that his only motivation for doing ANYTHING is so he can protect Padme and the only reason he's a good guy is because she is.

In my opinion, by showing Anakin in this light, it totally takes away from his redemption in ROTJ because it turns him into just some big jerk who makes ONE good decision in his entire life.

You've essentially explained the original trilogy too. Luke was a whiny kid who wanted to do something other than what his uncle said-he "just happened" to be found by Obi-Wan, similar to Qui-Gon finding Anakin. Luke went to save Princess Leia because he thought she was beautiful (well, maybe he had more real reasons), similar to Anakin wanted to help Padme in her struggles.
Stripped down to the bare aspects of the story they do parallel. True in the Original Trilogy, we see Luke as absolute good, and very heroic at the end. There's nothing like this that we see in Anakin, really. Except for the fact that you can tell Anakin wants to be a GREAT Jedi. He wants to serve the Jedi. This is evident most in the beginning of AOTC. I think the desire was there-but once his mother was killed, and all the emotions he felt throughout Ep.II contributed to his choice to ultimately defy everyone and serve his own purposes (or really those of the Emporer).
I think Anakin was the chosen one because without him, and without the choices he made, Luke would never have come to be, and I don't think the Empire would have fallen. I think the redemption of Anakin at the end of ROTJ was valid-I never doubted Anakin's goodness after seeing Ep.II-but I'm very much a sucker for believing what I am shown on screen, and because I know (based on ROTJ) that Anakin was once good-I saw him as such in the prequels.
I'm so in love with Star Wars (ep IV-VI) that I can't discount any of the events (if that even makes sense-I am totally distracted-I might edit this later). But, that's my opinon!

Anyway, I saw the preview last night during The O.C., and it was awesome (I bet it kicks butt on the big Screen). I don't think I breathed during the entire preview.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ

Is there more than one chosen one?

Obi-Wan "That boy was our last hope."

Yoda: "No...there is another."



Ok, Spoon to answer your question I'll get a bit of topic, you've seen The Matrix Trliogy (In The Matrix, Morpheus believed (Neo) was The One. that was would fullfill the prophecy.
(which he was indeed "The One".)

Then in The Matrix Reloaded (The Architect tells Neo that he is the one but their were 6 (The One) before Neo.

So to answer your question It's possible that their have been more than One "chosen One" Anakin was {The First chosen One} but when he failed. Luke became {THE NEW HOPE} and since he did not fail, he rightful became (THE CHOSEN ONE}, but just incase Luke may have failed Leia would be the Last hope. But since Luke didn't fail He is{ THE CHOSEN ONE}

[Backward Galaxy]

The cartoons, the books, and the comics count. Its been that way since Lucasfilm announced that the continuity continued with everything including videogames. This happened in 1991 when "Heir to the Empire," by Timothy Zahn came out,and its been that way ever since. Lucasfilm even confirmed that the pre- 90's books and comics fell into the Star Wars continuim. With that said you really need to read the comics and books from EP1 on to get a real feel for Anakin Skywalker and what he did. I highly suggest first reading "Rogue Planet," by Greg Bear. But you can't tell anyone here that you can't count the cartoons, comics, and books, when Lucasfilm announced 14 years years ago that they do count. Thats why fans like me are in our heyday everytime a Star Wars book and comic comes out, and why'll I'm going to be first in line for the cartoon DVD.

That's bunk. He can say whatever he wants, the majority of people don't see that other stuff so it doesn't count.


In EP1 a young Anakin went out of his way to help Qui-Gon get the credits needed. Does that sound evil to you. You can compare him to Smallville's Lex Luthor where he doesn't start off evil but becomes evil by slowly walking that path.

Young Anakin went out of his way to help them? If ya ask me, young Anakin wanted another shot at winning a race. These people offered him that opportunity. On top of that, he's just an innocent little kid at this point. I'm sure there are plenty of axe murderers who were adorable when they were in diapers, but that doesn't mean they were originally good people.


You've essentially explained the original trilogy too. Luke was a whiny kid who wanted to do something other than what his uncle said-he "just happened" to be found by Obi-Wan, similar to Qui-Gon finding Anakin. Luke went to save Princess Leia because he thought she was beautiful (well, maybe he had more real reasons), similar to Anakin wanted to help Padme in her struggles.

Which is why Luke and Anakin are similar, but where Luke is different is that Luke is also actually a good person. He genuinely seems to care about people other than the love interest in his life. This is evident in his friendships with Han, Chewie, and even Lando. Anakin, on the other hand, doesn't show these things. For instance, when Han and Leia are in trouble, Luke defies Yoda to go help them. When Obi-Wan is in trouble, Anakin is content to follow orders until Padme tells him to get off his butt and do something about it. This is the difference.


Stripped down to the bare aspects of the story they do parallel. True in the Original Trilogy, we see Luke as absolute good, and very heroic at the end. There's nothing like this that we see in Anakin, really. Except for the fact that you can tell Anakin wants to be a GREAT Jedi. He wants to serve the Jedi. This is evident most in the beginning of AOTC.

All that was evident to me was that Anakin wanted to be a hot shot and the Jedis are the biggest hotshots in the Star Wars universe.


I think Anakin was the chosen one because without him, and without the choices he made, Luke would never have come to be, and I don't think the Empire would have fallen. I think the redemption of Anakin at the end of ROTJ was valid-I never doubted Anakin's goodness after seeing Ep.II-but I'm very much a sucker for believing what I am shown on screen, and because I know (based on ROTJ) that Anakin was once good-I saw him as such in the prequels.


I think the difference between the two of us, then, is that you believed Anakin was good going into the prequels and it helped you see him that way. I went into the prequels believing he was good and came out wondering what made him so great.

[PETER WEST]

http://img109.exs.cx/img109/9951/epvi1ee.jpg
THE CHOSEN ONE.

[Spanky]

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The cartoons, the books, and the comics count. Its been that way since Lucasfilm announced that the continuity continued with everything including videogames. This happened in 1991 when "Heir to the Empire," by Timothy Zahn came out,and its been that way ever since. Lucasfilm even confirmed that the pre- 90's books and comics fell into the Star Wars continuim. With that said you really need to read the comics and books from EP1 on to get a real feel for Anakin Skywalker and what he did. I highly suggest first reading "Rogue Planet," by Greg Bear. But you can't tell anyone here that you can't count the cartoons, comics, and books, when Lucasfilm announced 14 years years ago that they do count. Thats why fans like me are in our heyday everytime a Star Wars book and comic comes out, and why'll I'm going to be first in line for the cartoon DVD.
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That's bunk. He can say whatever he wants, the majority of people don't see that other stuff so it doesn't count.


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In EP1 a young Anakin went out of his way to help Qui-Gon get the credits needed. Does that sound evil to you. You can compare him to Smallville's Lex Luthor where he doesn't start off evil but becomes evil by slowly walking that path.
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Young Anakin went out of his way to help them? If ya ask me, young Anakin wanted another shot at winning a race. These people offered him that opportunity. On top of that, he's just an innocent little kid at this point. I'm sure there are plenty of axe murderers who were adorable when they were in diapers, but that doesn't mean they were originally good people."

No, there are plenty of Star Wars fan who have taken the time to read and watch everything. Just because you haven't taken the time, doesn't mean you can make the judgement that they don't count. Only Lucas can make the judgement that they do...and he did. Also, EU characters are being used in the movies, therefore adding validity to the EU.

Anakin wanted another shot? Of course he did, but he would have raced again for Watto regardless. He just wouldn't have been racing his own pod. Its your choice if you want to have that opinion what its your opinion and perception...not fact. Tatooine is known in the Star Wars realm to be one of the worst planets to live on and as a slave at that. Most people on Tatooine were seen as hardened, so there really is no way that this kid was innocent. He was racing pods afterall wasn't he? He wasn't too innocent to deal with Sebulba was he? No, he wasn't. The kid was a nice kid...He started down his trek towards evil when he realized how powerful he could become. (Again in the books)

[lex_4_president]

Originally posted by Backward Galaxy

I think the difference between the two of us, then, is that you believed Anakin was good going into the prequels and it helped you see him that way. I went into the prequels believing he was good and came out wondering what made him so great.

Now that I look back, I can see what you mean about Anakin-we're never really shown any good side too him. Maybe it's implied-but from the previous two prequels, Lucas hasn't assumed his audience was smart enough to make any leaps like that (at least that's my impression). So I definately see where a person wouldn't understand where the "good side" of Anakin came from. It really wasn't readily apparent. I still believe it's there-just cause I have to, to make the movies have any purpose. Anakin has to have some good-and maybe we'll be shown something in EpIII???


Ok, Spoon to answer your question I'll get a bit of topic, you've seen The Matrix Trliogy (In The Matrix, Morpheus believed (Neo) was The One. that was would fullfill the prophecy.
Then in The Matrix Reloaded (The Architect tells Neo that he is the one but their were 6 (The One) before Neo.

So to answer your question It's possible that their have been more than One "chosen One" Anakin was {The First chosen One} but when he failed. Luke became {THE NEW HOPE} and since he did not fail, he rightful became (THE CHOSEN ONE}, but just incase Luke may have failed Leia would be the Last hope. But since Luke didn't fail He is{ THE CHOSEN ONE}

I like this idea too-makes some sense to me.

[Mindbogglingtruths]

Anikan IS the chosen one. HE DOES bring balance to the force. But it took Luke to make him see that in ROTJ. Because who was it that killed the Emperor?? It was Anikan not LUKE. Luke isn't the chosen one. Annikan is.

And let's not compare the original trilogy with the Matrix trilogy. The Matrix was a great movie that shouldn't have had any sequels.

[Spoon AZ]

Mindbogglingtruth,

exactly man. exactly.

and in the Matrix don't forget. Neo WASN'T the chosen one. Until he DIED! The oracle said "maybe in another life". Big reveal there.

When he died in The Matrix that created the anamoly that gave Agent Smith his power. So he wasn't "the one" until he died and came back.

[Mindbogglingtruths]

I don't understand why it is so difficult for people to understand how Annikan is the chosen one. He brought balance to the force when he killed the emporer. It's just that it wasn't how the Jedi may have seen it. They probably would have never guessed that it would have taken his son to make him good again, and then rather than seeing his son be killed by the Emporer, he made the choice of sacrificing his own life to kill the Emperer. I don't know how to spell the damn word, but you get my drift.

[Backward Galaxy]

No, there are plenty of Star Wars fan who have taken the time to read and watch everything. Just because you haven't taken the time, doesn't mean you can make the judgement that they don't count. Only Lucas can make the judgement that they do...and he did. Also, EU characters are being used in the movies, therefore adding validity to the EU.


It has nothing to do with whether or not I want too and everything to do with whether or not the majority of people watching the movies do. Not even HALF of the people who see the movies ALSO read the books and the comics and play the video games and watch the cartoons. That means, according to your theory, that Lucas is openly admitting to leaving half of his audience completely in the dark. You call that good filmmaking? Cause I call that garbage.


Anakin wanted another shot? Of course he did, but he would have raced again for Watto regardless. He just wouldn't have been racing his own pod.

That's exactly my point. He didn't really do anything out of his way. He saw an opportunity and took it.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by Backward Galaxy
It has nothing to do with whether or not I want too and everything to do with whether or not the majority of people watching the movies do. Not even HALF of the people who see the movies ALSO read the books and the comics and play the video games and watch the cartoons. That means, according to your theory, that Lucas is openly admitting to leaving half of his audience completely in the dark. You call that good filmmaking? Cause I call that garbage.


That's exactly my point. He didn't really do anything out of his way. He saw an opportunity and took it.

You are making an assumption on people who watch the movies, and unless you are walking around with a clipboard doing a survey then you can't assume that not even half the people who watch the movies then read the books. You don't know that. And who do you think Lucas made the prequels for? He made them for the fans, and a large portion of Star Wars fans read the books and the comics. Go look at some of those Star Wars fan sites and you'll see how much the EU is talked about. I can think of 2 sites right away that have extensive EU sections. I don't have a theory...its fact...Lucafilm announced in 1991 that all the books, comics, and videogames go into the continuity of Star Wars. So how is that openly admitting he's leaving people in the dark? Leaving people in the dark is when he doesn't tell anyone about them. If you don't like the movies or if you don't like how George Lucas handles his business, then fine don't watch the movies.
But anyone who wants to skip reading the comics and books can just go to some of the very good Star Wars fansites and find out what happened in these stories.


No its not my point. Of course the kid loves to race, but my point is he was going to race again regardless of whether or not he helped the jedi. He didn't have to help.

Anyways I'm going to stop this here, before it get heated...hehe :)
You can have whatever opinion you want. As for me...I'm going back to my book now.

[PETER WEST]

ok moving from "The Chosen One" topic, I want to know what you fellow Star Wars fans think of Ewan McGregor as Obi-WanKenobi, From episode I , then episode II & What you think his part in episode III will be the prefect connetion to
Sir Alec Guinness role as (Old Ben)Obi-WanKenobi in episode IV V & VI.

[Summers]

IMO Obi-Wan is the best character in the trilogy itself. Ewan does a great job of showing the mannerism between his young Ben to Alec's. In the trailer you can see the smile that old Ben has :).

[PETER WEST]

Yeah Obi-Wan is awesome , Ewan is fantastic as Obi-Wan, I can't wait to see him in episode III.

[luthorsmentor]

just got back from taking the kids to see robots, they shouldn't have followed that movie after showing that trailer everything else was just a letdown, is it may yet?

[Backward Galaxy]

You are making an assumption on people who watch the movies, and unless you are walking around with a clipboard doing a survey then you can't assume that not even half the people who watch the movies then read the books. You don't know that.

Yes, I do. It's as simple as a little number crunching with the sales of tickets and the sales of the books.

George Lucas should not rely on OTHER people to tell HIS story. That's my point.

As far as the question of Ewan MacGregor is concerned... Anyone who doesn't like Ewan MacGregor is a communist. Hehe... Just kidding... but seriously, he's been BY FAR the best part of the prequels for me...... aside from Natalie Portman in that torn white getup towards the end of Episode II.

[PETER WEST]

Here guys check this out,
since were on the subject of Ewan McGregor as Obi-Wan Kenobi. I think you'll enjoy this.

Obi-Wan Kenobi video clip (http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/bts/me3/11.html)

It's a pretty good clip.

[Backward Galaxy]

Ewan's the man.

[Summers]

I love Ewan :D. Thanks, Peter

[Spoon AZ]

ewan was the perfect pic for Obi-Wan

IMO the guy IS Obi-Wan. more so than Alec Guiness. I love Alec but Ewan and Ian Mcdairmid are the few actor that really shown bright in the prequels

[CLS]

This going to be a wild ride to say the least.

Chewie! Not only Chewie but more Wookies you can shake a stick at. The birth of Darth Vader, the rise of The Emperor, the fall of The Republic, the purge of the Jedi.

Will Jar Jar do something noble and heroic to redeem himself in the eyes of the audience? That's my secret wish.

Wiil we catch a glimpse of Han as a boy?

We see the Tantive IV from A New Hope, we see Captain Antilles will we see baby Wedge?

We'll see a young Mon Mothma, will we see a young Ackbar and a young Madine?

Is this pointless fanboy speculation?

Probably.

-cs™

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
ewan was the perfect pic for Obi-Wan

IMO the guy IS Obi-Wan. more so than Alec Guiness. I love Alec but Ewan and Ian Mcdairmid are the few actor that really shown bright in the prequels

Hey Aren't you forgeting Yoda(Frank OZ) , R2-D2(Kenny Baker)& C-3PO(Anthony Daniels) These Characters brought a lot to The Saga too.

Here are some clips from the tralier.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/Anakin_501/dueloffates2.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/Anakin_501/Yoda_epIII1.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/Anakin_501/Mace_epIII2.gif

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/Anakin_501/501stLegion2.gif

[Summers]

Yea, R2D2 and 3PO gives this sense of familiarity to me. That they are there, and gee they have lifetime warrenties too lol. I love Yoda except I miss when he was a puppet(where you have sense you can touch him), and Hong Kong Phooney Yoda was just too funny(and kinda lame) to watch in AOTC lol.

I think Natalie does a great job as Padme. You can see hints of Leia in her IMO.

those clips are cool Peter. I love to look at them over and over again.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Nice clips Peter west, poor Yoda lol.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by PETER WEST

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/Anakin_501/501stLegion2.gif

I would love to hear this Theme song for when Anakin/Lord Vader & The Stormtropers/ clonetropers march into the Jedi Temple.
The Imperial March (http://marge.uvm.edu/sdempse/wave/themes/starwars-imperial_march.wav)

Oh, Man, I'd be so happy.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Summers]

:D yea, you can just hear it at that moment in your head. We are so going to hear it at the end when Anakin is Vadar.

[BuZzArD 8012]

That clip is awesome!!!!!!!!!!

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Summers
:D yea, you can just hear it at that moment in your head. We are so going to hear it at the end when Anakin is Vadar.

Yeah, I saw that clip & BANG (The Imperial March theme song) came into my head.

That Theme song is The best (Sci-fi) Theme song ever.

I hope so.


Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Nice clips Peter west, poor Yoda lol.

Your Welcome.;)

[BuZzArD 8012]

So that clip with Anankin in it, that when he's turning into Darth?

[zhuuka]

All I know is, a dark and brooding Anakin is going to be HOT! I love Hayden.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
So that clip with Anankin in it, that when he's turning into Darth?

he's almost there. He wont fully become Darth until the very end when he has the suit on.

[BuZzArD 8012]

But in the second movie he wasn't nearly evil. I guess this movie really brings out the evil in him lol.

[Summers]

In the second one we saw a hint of it when he killed all the sand raidars when his mother died. If you listen to that part you can hear Qui saying to Ani "to stop", and Yoda even senses and hears Qui tell Ani that. It was there in that moment.

In the third one Ani will have a choice to make(and all know which one he makes), but rememer evil loves malipulation. And Anakin is very easy to malipulated because how he acts as a person. In third one you see more, and why.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Well I would be pretty mad if they killed my mother to. All you want is revenge and that's what he got. But yea you could see a little of that evil coming.

[Summers]

Well, I would be mad too but does two wrongs make a right. Ani knew he has the Force where the Raiders did not(giving himself as advantage). He murdered everyone in that village. Even the babies who knew nothing about his mother who was there.

Its aganist Jedi ethnics what Anakin has done. Emotions can be allies in fighting, but for a Jedi it can lead to the dark side especially anger. Anger leads to hatred. Hatred leads to the dark side. Which is why Qui and Yoda was so concerned at that moment.

[BuZzArD 8012]

That's true, I can't wait until the third movie comes out lol.

[Summers]

its should be the best out of the three prequels

[KJK]

I whole-heartedly agree, Summers!

[axisoftime]

Hey, just heard George Lucas is gonna be on 60 minutes tonight on cbs at 7 est.

[BuZzArD 8012]

I bet it is summers.

[Summers]

Originally posted by axisoftime
Hey, just heard George Lucas is gonna be on 60 minutes tonight on cbs at 7 est.

cool :D.

did anybody notice how Palpetine fastly started to look more evil as time went by in the trailer?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Avonela/sith9.jpg
here isnt someone you want to take home to mom :lol:
that boy needs to brush his teeth more lol
pic from www.smgboard.com

[BuZzArD 8012]

lol :lol: he shore does need to.

Question guys, if Luke is Anankin son then when did Anankin and the lady do there thing. Just wondering because now that the third movie is coming out they still have not shown it yet.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
lol :lol: he shore does need to.

Question guys, if Luke is Anankin son then when did Anankin and the lady do there thing. Just wondering because now that the third movie is coming out they still have not shown it yet.

Well, we all know where babies come from lol. There is time from EP2 to EP3 beginning Padma will be pregnant with the Skywalker twins in the movie

[BuZzArD 8012]

lol, thx for that summers.

[Summers]

anytime :D...I finally got a handle of the spoiler tags. It just took a year :lol:

[BuZzArD 8012]

lol :lol:, I don't know how to do that but its pretty cool lol.

[ferd]

Anyone catch the 60 Minutes interview? Lots of good spoiler scenes :D

:eek: Getting SO excited!! :p

[Summers]

yea, I watched it. My favorite part seeing Ewan and Haydan practicing The Duel section in their sweating tight shirts. You could totally see Ewan's muscles :D.

I loved the metaphor of hell the interviewer pointed out when Anakin and Obi fight on the volcano planet Mufasar.

[ferd]

Yeah! That is very cool! :)

The part where he was talking about the digital people you can see bodies laying on the ground as Obi_wan and Anakin are fighting

:eek: It's going to be awesome!!! :lol:

[Summers]

yea, talking about getting rid of stunt doubles's jobs lol.[B]You see how fast they were doing their lightsabers in that scene [B]:eek:.

[ferd]

Yes!! That was awesome!! I had to watch that part over and over again!! :eek:

Sweeeeettttt! :p

[Snake_Corda]

I'm upset now. I missed the interview. :(

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by ferd
Anyone catch the 60 Minutes interview? Lots of good spoiler scenes :D

:eek: Getting SO excited!! :p

Tell me about it, OMG, their more spoilers, I can't wait for May 19, (The Saga is Compleat) :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

This is going to be an awesome summer.

[PETER WEST]

The Offical Trailer is now ONLINE for eveyone to see. STAR WARS Episode III : Revenge Of The Sith. (http://www.starwars.com/) .

Enjoy

And May The Force Be With You!!!!!!!;)

Also For those of you that are Lego Star Wars fans, Lego has made a Star Wars movie The Story of Anakin Skywalker.

check it out
The Story of Anakin Skywalker (http://www.lego.com/starwars/anakin.asp)

Also coming This April, Lego Star Wars The Vedio game will be released (on Xbox, PS2, Gameboy AV, PC-rom) Where you can play episode I, II & III.

Check out
Lego Star Wars : The Video game. (http://www.legostarwarsthevideogame.com/flash/player.cfm)

[tonyrino8]

Cheers for the link Peter West......

[PETER WEST]

More Episode III gif images.
http://img157.exs.cx/img157/5776/3anakinvsobiwan7hy.gif

http://img157.exs.cx/img157/8167/3dookuduel27gw.gif

http://img179.exs.cx/img179/667/3duel0zx.gif

http://img147.exs.cx/img147/7075/3duel200x1138dx.gif

[BuZzArD 8012]

Thx Peter West!!!!!, It looks awesome :D.
btw I just sent you back the pm.

Wow!!! the last clip is that Anankin fighting?

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Thx Peter West!!!!!, It looks awesome :D.
btw I just sent you back the pm.

Wow!!! the last clip is that Anankin fighting?

Your welcome.

Yes, I PM you back.

Yes Anakin Vs Obi-Wan. The final Battle.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Noooo, I don't want Anankin to turn Evil.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Noooo, I don't want Anankin to turn Evil.

sorry, But at The End (spoiler) Anakin Skywalker joins "The Dark Side Of The Force and becomes Darth Vader .(spoiler)

[BuZzArD 8012]

Yup I know lol, but he was so cool that I wish he never went to the Darkside. But at least he has a son lol.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Yup I know lol, but he was so cool that I wish he never went to the Darkside. But at least he has a son lol.

Yes Luke Skywalker.:D ;)

[BuZzArD 8012]

lol, yup :D.

[ImzadiJedi]

Originally posted by PETER WEST
sorry, But at The End (spoiler) Anakin Skywalker joins "The Dark Side Of The Force and becomes Darth Vader .(spoiler)

WHAT! :eek: Thanks for spoiling the whole movie for me. ;)

[Backward Galaxy]

WHAT! Thanks for spoiling the whole movie for me.

Yeah! Gawd... you are SUCH an ass.

:)

[Disco]

Just watched the trailer. Pretty awesome... no I really can't wait for the movie to come out.

So what was said on the 60 minutes interview?

[PETER WEST]

Here are some awesome cool STAR WARS links, (with lot's of ROTS pictures & spoilers, also images from the orginal star wars trilogy.) enjoy

Galactic Empire (http://news.galacticempire.co.uk/ep-iii.shtml)

STAR WARS saga image gallery (http://www.aptirrelevance.com/sw-archive/index.php)

Jedi,net (http://www.jedinet.com/multimedia/index.asp)


Archive Of Aarbe Simara Jedi Master (http://www.chienworks.com/~aramisangel/jmaswma.html)

;)

[Summers]

cool. Thanks, so much for the links and gifs Peter :D.

[axisoftime]

1 thing George said I found funny was when he was asked about the bad reviews by the critics of TPM and AOTC.He said "If I paint my house white and you tell me I should have painted it green,I would say yeh,it might look nice green,but I wanted it white".

[ImzadiJedi]

I just hope that RotS is better than TPM & AotC.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Summers
cool. Thanks, so much for the links and gifs Peter :D.

Your Welcome Summers.


Originally posted by ImzadiJedi
I just hope that RotS is better than TPM & AotC.

I believe it will be.

[ImzadiJedi]

Just saw the trailer you posted. It looks good. But so did AotC. Thanks for posting the link to the trailer. It was fun to watch.

[PETER WEST]

Do you know who's ("The Most Powerful Jedi )of all time is.

Here

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Yoda
3. Aenon Jurtis (Ancient Jedi Master)
4. Obi-Wan Kenobi
5. Kaja Sinis (The Very First Jedi and Founder of the Jedi Order)
6. Mace Windu
7. Ben Skywalker (Son of Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade)
8. Plo Koon
9. Anakin Skywalker
10. Ce Ce Denowai (Most Powerful Female Jedi of All Time)
11. Kyle Katarn
12. Ki Adi Mundi
13. Princess Leia Organa Solo
14. Mara Jade Skywalker
15. Kit Fisto
16. Qui-Gon Jinn
17. Shintor Beerus (Ancient Jedi Master)
18. Yendar Platis (Ancient six-armed Jedi Master)
19. Bontu Sitmus (Whill Jedi Master Who Taught Yoda)
20. Anakin Solo (Son of Han Solo and Princess Leia)

click here (http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/powerful_jedi.html)

[Disco]

60 Minutes has part of the interview and some vids up.

60 Minutes (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/03/10/60minutes/main679325.shtml)

[Backward Galaxy]

Originally posted by PETER WEST
Do you know who's ("The Most Powerful Jedi )of all time is.

Here

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Yoda
3. Aenon Jurtis (Ancient Jedi Master)
4. Obi-Wan Kenobi
5. Kaja Sinis (The Very First Jedi and Founder of the Jedi Order)
6. Mace Windu
7. Ben Skywalker (Son of Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade)
8. Plo Koon
9. Anakin Skywalker
10. Ce Ce Denowai (Most Powerful Female Jedi of All Time)
11. Kyle Katarn
12. Ki Adi Mundi
13. Princess Leia Organa Solo
14. Mara Jade Skywalker
15. Kit Fisto
16. Qui-Gon Jinn
17. Shintor Beerus (Ancient Jedi Master)
18. Yendar Platis (Ancient six-armed Jedi Master)
19. Bontu Sitmus (Whill Jedi Master Who Taught Yoda)
20. Anakin Solo (Son of Han Solo and Princess Leia)

click here (http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/powerful_jedi.html)

How was that compiled? I have a hard time believing it myself.

[PETER WEST]

GL made it pretty clear that their won't be anymore StarWars movies after episode III, so I guess that means 7 ,8 & 9 won't happen.

(To be honest I'm glad, I can't see anyone else taking over for Mark Hamill(Luke Skywalker), Harrison Ford(Han Solo) & Carrie Fisher(Princess Leia). They were amazing together.

[Disco]

I still want to see more of Vader though. I don't think we're going to see enough of him at the end of the movie.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Disco
I still want to see more of Vader though. I don't think we're going to see enough of him at the end of the movie.

Me too,


( I'll tell you one thing thought before I go see the movie the day before I'm going to watch episode I & II, Then after I see Episode III, I'm going to watch Episode IV V & VI.) I'll get all Vader I need after watching episode III.

[Disco]

LOL sound like a great plan. Might just do the same :)

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Disco
LOL sound like a great plan. Might just do the same :)

Yeah, It's a fullproof plan, It can not fail, That will hold me up until the Episode III dvd is out.

[PaulNeb]

Originally posted by PETER WEST
GL made it pretty clear that their won't be anymore StarWars movies after episode III, so I guess that means 7 ,8 & 9 won't happen.

(To be honest I'm glad, I can't see anyone else taking over for Mark Hamill(Luke Skywalker), Harrison Ford(Han Solo) & Carrie Fisher(Princess Leia). They were amazing together.

And let's not ignore the fact that during the NJO:

Chewbacca was killed.
Anakin Solo was killed.

Since GL approved Chewie's death, I doubt that the plot summaries for "Episodes VII, VIII and IX" can be considered valid. Personally, I will believe what GL has said in several interviews. Eps IV, V and VI collectively were the original story that he wrote, but it was broken down into three parts due to the length. Eps I, II and III were crafted from the backstory material for the original story. There never were any episodes after that.

[Disco]

Don't think I could watch a movie in which Chewie and Han die :(



Been looking all over for this image.

http://www.boomspeed.com/discodelic/seinfeld.JPG

[Summers]

Originally posted by PETER WEST
Do you know who's ("The Most Powerful Jedi )of all time is.

Here

1. Luke Skywalker
2. Yoda
3. Aenon Jurtis (Ancient Jedi Master)
4. Obi-Wan Kenobi
5. Kaja Sinis (The Very First Jedi and Founder of the Jedi Order)
6. Mace Windu
7. Ben Skywalker (Son of Luke Skywalker and Mara Jade)
8. Plo Koon
9. Anakin Skywalker
10. Ce Ce Denowai (Most Powerful Female Jedi of All Time)
11. Kyle Katarn
12. Ki Adi Mundi
13. Princess Leia Organa Solo
14. Mara Jade Skywalker
15. Kit Fisto
16. Qui-Gon Jinn
17. Shintor Beerus (Ancient Jedi Master)
18. Yendar Platis (Ancient six-armed Jedi Master)
19. Bontu Sitmus (Whill Jedi Master Who Taught Yoda)
20. Anakin Solo (Son of Han Solo and Princess Leia)

click here (http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/powerful_jedi.html)

how does Leia beat Anakin Solo or Mara, and where is Jacen and Jania Solo or Kyp Durron? And Ben Skywalker is still only a baby how do they know how powerful he is right now? This is a funky list IMO. There is no way Leia is that powerful even in the books. I dont agree with this site's top 20 whatsoever.

[Backward Galaxy]

Originally posted by Summers
how does Leia beat Anakin Solo or Mara, and where is Jacen and Jania Solo or Kyp Durron? And Ben Skywalker is still only a baby how do they know how powerful he is right now? This is a funky list IMO. There is no way Leia is that powerful even in the books. I dont agree with this site's top 20 whatsoever.

This is what I'm saying!

[tiger17]

Kyle Katarn? Why is that name familiar to me? Was he featured in any of Timothy Zahn's books? Video games?

[ImzadiJedi]

I agree that its a weird list too. Something doesn't seem right about it. How is Luke more powerful than Yoda, Anakin, Obi-Wan? How is Leia more powerful than Qui-Gon Jinn?

[tiger17]

I can believe Luke being more powerful than the rest....but not Mace and Obi-Wan being more powerful than Anakin Skywalker.

[ImzadiJedi]

But the last time we saw Luke. He needed to be rescued from the Emperor by Darth Varder. He wasn't powerful enough to protect himself and destroy the Emperor without Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker. He did become a Jedi but I don't think he was a master like Yoda, Mace or Qui-Gon Jinn.

[tiger17]

That's true but I think the list is based on either how powerful they were at their peak (which Luke didn't reach in the movies but did in the books) or how deeply the Force flowed in them...of course the latter would put Anakin Skywalker at the number one spot seeing as how he was conceived of the Force.


Hey, Peter man....think you could find a similar list of the Sith? How 'bout a consolidated (jedi&sith) list?

[PETER WEST]

I think the reason Why Luke is the most powerful, is because (Who ever made this list,) must have combined Luke Skywalker from (The movies)& Luke Skywalker from (The books & Comics: The Expanded Universe) Because after the ROTJ in EU Luke becomes very powerful,(with The Force,) He had gain lot's more Knowledge (like Yoda) & (More force like powers) including (Flight).

As for Leia ( that's a mystery to me) She becomes a Jedi, but doesn't use her powers as often as Luke.

Mara Jade Skywalker (is strong with the force but not as powerful as her husband.)


Originally posted by tiger17


Hey, Peter man....think you could find a similar list of the Sith? How 'bout a consolidated (jedi&sith) list?

Here ya go

1. Darth Sidious with Kyber Crystal
2. Darth Vader
3. Darth Bane
4. Darth Plagueis
5. Darth Tyranus
6. Darth Rage
7. Darth Maul
8. Darth Scarz
9. Darth Revan
10. Darth Imperius
11. Darth Ghore
12. Darth Vak
13. Darth Slane
14. Darth Vicrone
15. Darth Malak
16. Exar Kun
17. Darth Xio Jade (Best Female Sith of All Time)
18. Darth Seer
19. Darth Thrax

click here (http://www.supershadow.com/starwars/powerful_sith.html)

[tiger17]

Very cool, thnx!!

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by tiger17
Very cool, thnx!!

No problem O;)

[Summers]

Originally posted by PETER WEST
I think the reason Why Luke is the most powerful, is because (Who ever made this list,) must have combined Luke Skywalker from (The movies)& Luke Skywalker from (The books & Comics: The Expanded Universe) Because after the ROTJ in EU Luke becomes very powerful,(with The Force,) He had gain lot's more Knowledge (like Yoda) & (More force like powers) including (Flight).

As for Leia ( that's a mystery to me) She becomes a Jedi, but doesn't use her powers as often as Luke.

Mara Jade Skywalker (is strong with the force but not as powerful as her husband.)


maybe the list leads to the site's favoritism?

[luthorsmentor]

i'll buy into most of what both lists say, i just have a very hard time believing that darth maul was more powerful than darth revan

[Backward Galaxy]

Darth Maul is WAY TOO HIGH on that list.

[ImzadiJedi]

The Sith list is missing Darth Sloane and Darth Sark... ;)

[Disco]

... and Darth Disco :p

[ImzadiJedi]

Let's not forget Darth Lex and Darth Lionel. The two most powerful Sith in the Smallville universe.

[Disco]

Dat true.... wouldn't want to mess with them.

And what about Darth Clark on red K..... he's the most powerful of all.

[ImzadiJedi]

True. But its a good thing that he is on good side of the force most of the time. But if he was ever to fully turn to the dark side, he would be dangerous in the Force.

[Summers]

Darth Clark on redk is the hottest :D

[Disco]

Darth Clark on red K would probably wipe out both sides of the force.

Oooh yeah... definitely a hotty darthy ;)

[Spoon AZ]

Hottie until his face is horribly maimed by molten Kryptonite!!!!

MWAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

[Disco]

ohh nooo....... poor darthy clarky.... but wait.... i think there's still good in him.... i can feel it.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
Hottie until his face is horribly maimed by molten Kryptonite!!!!

MWAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

:rotfl: :rotfl:

[ImzadiJedi]

Originally posted by Disco
ohh nooo....... poor darthy clarky.... but wait.... i think there's still good in him.... i can feel it.

Are you going to try and turn him back to the good side? If so, watch out for that Emperor Jor-El! ;)

[Spoon AZ]

"Are you threatening me Mister Kent?"

[Snake_Corda]

Darth Clark Dark Side Powers:

1. Windblown Hair look

2. Muscles, Muscles, and more Muscles

3. The Art of Dance

Did I miss any?

[ImzadiJedi]

Flying

No emotions

Black shirts that are unbuttoned

[Snake_Corda]

Really Kick Ass Ray-Bans for better highway driving

[Summers]

Originally posted by ImzadiJedi
Flying

Black shirts that are unbuttoned

that's why me like, and on ocassion he wears a cool looking ring :D

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Snake_Corda
Darth Clark Dark Side Powers:

1. Windblown Hair look

2. Muscles, Muscles, and more Muscles

3. The Art of Dance

Did I miss any?

lol :lol: .

[Disco]

Originally posted by ImzadiJedi
Are you going to try and turn him back to the good side? If so, watch out for that Emperor Jor-El! ;)
Jor-El!!!

aaaahhhhhh..... a voice with no body who chooses your life for you.

He's worse than Emperor Palpy.

[PETER WEST]

New Star Wars episode III pics
Contains Major Spoilers.
http://starwars.galaxie.free.fr/Episode3/Infos/news_05_182_anakin_bg.jpg

http://starwars.galaxie.free.fr/Episode3/Infos/news_05_182_bataille_bg.jpg

http://starwars.galaxie.free.fr/Episode3/Infos/news_05_182_duel_dooku_bg.jpg

http://starwars.galaxie.free.fr/Episode3/Infos/news_05_183_dusk_bg.jpg

Enjoy.

;)

[Summers]

oh, pretty....thanks, Peter :D.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Summers
oh, pretty....thanks, Peter :D.

Your Welcome Summers.;)

[Spoon AZ]

Hey guys, i know we're on a major ROTS kicks but I thought I'd throw this link out there from TPM.

It's one of the funniest parodies I've seen done by MTV.

The little reactions that were cut to show annoyance are so perfect and so hilarioius.

If you haven't seen it you should definitely check it out.

MTV Star Wars Parody (http://s36.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3ES7W8T02WLQF3CDWTWVAK6157)

[ImzadiJedi]

Peter West, what was so spoilerish about those pictures? Is the last picture of Padme?

[Snake_Corda]

That first pic of Anakin looks like Luke there. I could be reading too much into this but I wonder if that was an intentional nod or just a coincidence.

[PETER WEST]

Some More Star Wars episode III pics.{SPOILERS!!!!}
http://img104.exs.cx/img104/9099/epiii667hb.jpg

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/4130/normalvader2di.jpg
This one is offical it's real, It is not fake, That's really is Hayden Christensen in Darth Vader suit.

Star Wars episode III promos

General Grievous (http://img203.exs.cx/img203/8199/008962le.jpg)

General Grievous 2 (http://img123.exs.cx/img123/1508/008954ud.jpg)

Lord Vader (http://img236.exs.cx/img236/547/012073rs.jpg)

Padme Skywalker (http://img181.exs.cx/img181/3940/012087qx.jpg)

Obi-Wan (http://img163.exs.cx/img163/3849/012163cd.jpg)

more coming soon

[Summers]

cool...Peter. I saw some promo pictures of Ewan and Hayden together with lightsabers(as if they are fighting), but I forgot what site they are at.


Originally posted by Snake_Corda
That first pic of Anakin looks like Luke there. I could be reading too much into this but I wonder if that was an intentional nod or just a coincidence.

It does doesnt lol. He looks like Luke in Empire Strikes Back.

[Snake_Corda]

Originally posted by Summers

It does doesnt lol. He looks like Luke in Empire Strikes Back.

Exactly, I was hoping I wasn't going crazy. He looks like Luke during the battle with in Empire :D .

[Summers]

yea, like he is fighting Vadar. Honestly for a moment I did think it was Luke until I saw Hayden's eyes lol.

[Unbreakable Lex]

Well he is his father. :p

Its a very nice touch.

Did Lucas ever say his "Anakin" was casted with the hopes he would resemble Mark at all?

[Summers]

I would assume so. There are moments that Natalie's expressions resemble Carrie's as well.

[Snake_Corda]

You are right...Natalie does have moments as well :) . I haven't heard Lucas saying that he planned that. It is cool though :D .

[Backward Galaxy]

Originally posted by PETER WEST
[B]Some More Star Wars episode III pics.{SPOILERS!!!!}
http://img104.exs.cx/img104/9099/epiii667hb.jpg

http://img19.exs.cx/img19/4130/normalvader2di.jpg
This one is offical it's real, It is not fake, That's really is Hayden Christensen in Darth Vader suit.



Sorry, but there's NO WAY that's real. You can tell because the makeup is EXACTLY identical AND because of the way the lights and shadows catch on the indents on the side of Hayden's face in comparison to the actual shot.

It may have been done by someone officially attached to the project, but that is definitely a manipulation.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by Backward Galaxy
Sorry, but there's NO WAY that's real. You can tell because the makeup is EXACTLY identical AND because of the way the lights and shadows catch on the indents on the side of Hayden's face in comparison to the actual shot.

It may have been done by someone officially attached to the project, but that is definitely a manipulation.

BG it was on Hyperspace forum,

[Unbreakable Lex]

What about the way AS looks in the "water theropy" chamber?

He doesn't have those scars and looks completely different then that picture there.

You know, the one of him burnt to a crisp from neck down.

[Spoon AZ]

I'd have to agree that that is a manipulation.

If you look at the scars that don't sit right on his face

[Chi Town]

I have a question. I thought Grievous was supposed to be being not a robot? or is that being in side a robot shell?

I heard that Oldman dropped out because they were using non Actor Guild performers.

If it is a robot why did Lucas chnage his mind?

[Unbreakable Lex]

Grevious looks robot only to me but I thought he was supposed to be a cyborg. I can't see any carbon based life form in Grevious.

Perhaps its just the big bad Robot and nothing more.

[Summers]

I love these promotional pictures of Obi and Ani.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Avonela/BenAni.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Avonela/BenvsAni.jpg
this my favorite :D

[Backward Galaxy]

Originally posted by PETER WEST
BG it was on Hyperspace forum,

That doesn't mean it isn't a manip. It could just mean that someone officially attached to the film was responsible for it.

Look above the scar at the indentation in his head and how the light and shadows sit. It's the EXACT SAME indentation in both pictures. That is not something that can be done with makeup because that's just the shape of someone's head. The photo is obviously a manip.

[PETER WEST]

http://img198.exs.cx/img198/3962/013882td.jpg

http://img73.exs.cx/img73/2388/013680mz.jpg

http://img73.exs.cx/img73/8425/013609tw.jpg

http://img37.exs.cx/img37/1647/013561ky.jpg

http://img67.exs.cx/img67/6540/013541yu.jpg

http://img201.exs.cx/img201/3299/012738yo.jpg

http://img41.exs.cx/img41/4636/012485hn.jpg

http://img208.exs.cx/img208/7720/012348ys.jpg

[Summers]

thanks, Peter. Chewie has some big feet :lol:

[axisoftime]

George Lucas,speaking to theater owners today,described ROTS as "Titanic in space-a real tear jerker".Is this a good thing?lol.

[Spoon AZ]

chewie's expression is funny.

And UL I think he's still somewhat organic.

I think he's meant to be like a Vader proto-type.

If you look at the close up of his eyes in some pics you can see skin surrounding them.

[ImzadiJedi]

In Return of the Jedi, why is Luke's lightsaber blade green and not blue?

[Spanky]

Originally posted by ImzadiJedi
In Return of the Jedi, why is Luke's lightsaber blade green and not blue?

Because Luke went to Tatooine and built a new lightsaber. (Shadow of the Empire) Darth Vader mentions his new lightsaber when Luke turns himself in.

[PETER WEST]

Originally posted by ImzadiJedi
In Return of the Jedi, why is Luke's lightsaber blade green and not blue?

for some reasons
(1) In ESB, Luke's hand with his(father's Blue) lightsaber was cut off by Darth Vader .

(2) In SOTE Luke went to Ben's Old Hut, on Tatooine and built a new lightsaber for himself, using a part from (Obi-Wan's) spare pieces.

I like The Green one better than the Blue, In ROTJ Luke was more mature & much more better with the Force & using a lightsaber.

[Spanky]

Originally posted by PETER WEST
for some reasons
(1) In ESB, Luke's hand with his(father's Blue) lightsaber was cut off by Darth Vader .

(2) In SOTE Luke went to Ben's Old Hut, on Tatooine and built a new lightsaber for himself, using a part from (Obi-Wan's) spare pieces.

I like The Green one better than the Blue, In ROTJ Luke was more mature & much more better with the Force & using a lightsaber.


Good grief didn't I just answer that question?