Lost - Original KryptonSite Thread

[nexgod]

This TV show looks absolutely AWESOME!!!!

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-24313/

[Disco]

yeah... but it's up against Smallville :(

[BeepBeep]

Originally posted by Disco
yeah... but it's up against Smallville :(

Exactly.

My first two thoughts after seeing a promotion for Lost:

Damn, that looks good.

Damn, Smallville is screwed.

[vyperman7]

Lost has been hailed as being the next "24" and critics have been raving about it. Enertainment Weekly called Lost the fall's best new drama, and the pilot alone had a budget of 10 million bucks.

Smallville will be no match for Lost. That does not mean I think Lost will be a better show than Smallville. I don't. It's just that Lost has gotten so much more attention than Smallville, and been built up better.

My mom loves Smallville and wants to see Lost as well. I am getting her to watch Smallville live and tape Lost, so I am doing my part.

[vyperman7]

So did anyone actually watch Lost??

Was it as good as everyone said it was going to be? When a show is usually hyped up as much as Lost was, it tends not to live up to expectations. But it had so much critical acclaim behind it, it makes you wonder if Lost will actually live up to the hype.

[Sharkie]

I saw someone talk about it. They didn't like it much.

[lucky 12]

I watched it and I really liked it! I'm not sure how it can last very long though. I mean, they're on an island, the writers are gonna run out of storylines after a while.

[zanos]

I saw Lost a few months ago before I even knew what it was about and I thought it was great.

[webe123]

Well for those of you that want to know, I just watched the first episode of lost and was VERY impressed. It is more like a movie than a TV show. I hate to say this, but I think smallville has some competition. I agree with what has been said, this show is not better, just different. First off, it is about a group of people that survive an airliner crash on a remote island. If that is not bad enough, they keep hearing this rumbling in the jungle, but the show never shows what makes the noise. Finally this doctor and a couple of other people decide to go look for the tranciever that could transmit a signal out to civilization....but when they find the cocpit part of the plane, they discover the pilot alive and he tells them they hit turbulance and were blown 1,000 miles off course, so the search parties are looking for them in the wrong place! Then while they are still in the cocpit, they hear the rumbling and it is just outside of the cocpit....the pilot sticks his head out to see what is making the noise and is dragged kicking and screaming through the cocpit window.....then blood splatters on the window. The three get out of the cocpit and run, later to find the pilot in a tree all bloody and about thirty feet in the air! I sure do HOPE this isn't another jurrassic park theme!


Originally posted by zanos
I saw Lost a few months ago before I even knew what it was about and I thought it was great.


How could you see it a few months ago, when this was supposed to be the first time it aired on television???

[BeepBeep]

I enjoyed it. It was not an incredible show, as some of the hype would lead you to believe, but it was quite good. One of my only complaints is that at times it seemed too much like an adults version of Lord of the Flies.

PS: It seems like an eternity since I read Lord of the Flies, so maybe I'm just being silly.

[alternity]

It was great.
I begin watching smallville but when the second Lana came on i switch to lost.

[nexgod]

I watched it a few weeks back but anyhows

I thought it was really good

[Piiike]

i saw it. What most reviewers are thinking is:


A- these people's mines are manifesting the things that are happening to them on the island.

B- the survivors are actually in limbo, and that the dead are the ones that have moved on to heaven or hell.

ton of more theories also.

[PATMAN]

saw bits and pieces, was looking for ian somerhalder(ADAM)

[Fenice]

Originally posted by Piiike
i saw it. What most reviewers are thinking is:


A- these people's mines are manifesting the things that are happening to them on the island.

B- the survivors are actually in limbo, and that the dead are the ones that have moved on to heaven or hell.

ton of more theories also.

Those theories sound interesting.

[nexgod]

WOW!

That limbo thing sounds freaky

[Zorel241]

I just watched the re-airing of Lost and it was really interesting in the end. That one guy with the gun was hilarious when he shot the polar bear, and the lady asked "Where did that come from?" and he said "Bear Village (sarchastically), how should I know!? I was cracking up.:lol:

[angelfire east]

I watched Lost, but I watched in on a canadian chennal, so I wouldn't hurt Smallville rating, hey every little bit helps, and it was o.k, Nothing different from every other plane chashed on a island in the middle of know where shpw I've even seen, I just watched it because i hear the guy from the LOTR was on it and that the guy off of Smallville was on it. All in all it was that great, and I may watch it again if there is nothing else on t.v.

[ImzadiJedi]

I am afraid if Smallville dishes out the same stuff that it has so far this season there will be quite a few Smallville fans crossing over to see Lost. I haven't seen Lost yet. But am interested because of the guy who created it (JJ Abrams) also created Alias (another of my favorite shows).
When did they repeat the season opener for Lost?
And how could someone see the season opener monthes ago unless they worked on the show in some way???

[KALS SON]

Did anyone see adam in the show i did i was suprised.

[smallville_girlie]

Lost is a great show!

[Tigress35]

Lost is sooooooooooo freakin' good!! I love it.

[nexgod]

Yeah i liked it

it was rocking

[thomasw]

I'm hooked on the show, but it's definately a 24-style series. Each ep just builds the tension and suspense instead of having its own resolution, which is addictive but frustrating. I want to know what the monster is *now* instead of in 10 episodes time! :D

I wonder how they're going to go past the first season though. Keeping the people on the island doesn't seem that likely, but having a whole new group of characters isn't likely either because people become attached to the existing ones. I'm thinking maybe 5-10 survivors will be rescued in the finale, then their rescue ship/plane will crash in the season two opener :)

[angelfire east]

:lol: the irony of geting rescued then have the plane crash is so funny and bad for them.

[Ultimatemother]

This is some damned good tv. IM telling you they are going to give SV a run for their money.

[smallvillerox05]

Yeah, unfortunately. I usually go to church on Wednesday nights so I tape both shows on two vcrs. I am a big enough SV fan to recognize the names of many of the guest stars like Adam (Ian Somerhalder) so when I saw his name I was surprised but I knew to look for him. His character on Lost is named Boone and is the blonde person that speaks French's sister.

[angelfire east]

For those who watch the show, who do you like the best out of all the characters?

[thomasw]

I like Jack, Kate and Sayid, cause they're taking charge. Sawyer is growing on me though. And I like the pregnant woman, cause she's an Aussie :)

[zanos]

The writing on this show makes Smallville look like a bad cartoon.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by zanos
The writing on this show makes Smallville look like a bad cartoon.

Well, when a show is on a major network, and has a much bigger budget to hire good writers, that is usually what happens. If Smallville was on a major network, the effects would be better as well as the quality of the writing. Not that the effects are not good now. They are. I am just saying that they would be even better with a bigger budget.

[KHStar88]

I love this show. I know it's on against Smallville, but still. It's a really good show, very smart in its twists and characterization. Evil and good can't be figured out so easily on this show. I love that. Oh, and some of the cast members. WOW. My Party of Five & Hobbit love took over in the first episode.

[zanos]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Well, when a show is on a major network, and has a much bigger budget to hire good writers, that is usually what happens. If Smallville was on a major network, the effects would be better as well as the quality of the writing. Not that the effects are not good now. They are. I am just saying that they would be even better with a bigger budget.


First, you can find good writers anywhere. Second, it starts at the top Gough and Millar created the bad situation they're currently in. It has nothing to do with who's on the bigger network or has more money. Just for the record the budget for season 1-3 of Smallville destroys Buffy's budget for their first 3 seasons and the writing on that show destroys Smallville. Nuff said.

[vyperman7]

Zanos,

It is true that you can find good writers anywhere. I agree with you there. But, I also think that if the show was on a major network with a bigger budget that they would be able to do more with the show then they can on the WB. With more resources available, they could find better writers and improve the show overall. The reason I feel that more money equals better writers, is because writers who know they are talented that could really do a good job on a show, will not work for what the WB could pay them. They would want to work for bigger networks like ABC on bigger shows like Lost.

I know that money does not always equal talent. But when you have more resources like ABC does, it definately does not hurt either.

[President_Luthor]

With Disney money behind it, 'Lost' will have a chance to work out the kinks this season, till they get the kind of show they want.

Sadly, the WB doesn't pour such massive resources into Smallville. Why else would they produce the show around Vancouver, where the US$ exchange is more favourable for them.

[zanos]

Uh...Smallville may in fact be the most expensive show on the WB to produce. The reason why the show is in Vancouver is because it's so expensive to shoot it in the first place.

[nexgod]

I want to know how can John can walk again

[angelfire east]

Same here, and I want to what Charlie's going to do when he runs out of drugs. I'm ready liking Clair, how about you?

[thomasw]

There's so many red herrings in this show! Something seems suspicious for a few episodes (like Locke), but then you find out the truth and you're back to looking for answers.

Like the boy, some interesting things have have happened with him. Did anyone notice in the polar bear episode that the boy was reading a comic with a polar bear in it? Or when he wanted his dog back his father said to him that he'd go looking as soon as it stopped raining, and it instantly stopped raining.

Anyone got any theories?

[angelfire east]

I missed that, um.... intesting

[Klor-El]

well i havent seen the show, but what Thomas just said, it instantly makes me think of the movie "Sphere"

[nexgod]

That their feelings are manifesting?!!

Oh....that sounds kinda true!!

[thomasw]

I'd only noticed it with the boy, but it does seem like it could be happening to more of them!

I think it might be significant that the pregnant woman's baby wasn't moving for a day after the crash, but then suddenly started kicking again. I don't think they would have gone to the trouble of mentioning it if it wasn't important.

Locke's healing, the baby's stillness and then moving, the previously mentioned things with the boy, it seems that people's dreams are coming true.

It also seems to be true that everyone has their own demons to face, maybe there's some greater purpose to them being on the island.

[smallville_girlie]

thomasw, I haven't noticed the things that you have been. Your theories are really good ones :D I guess that I have to start paying more attention!

[SMLVLFAN89]

Saw my first ep last week. Pretty good show.

[TATEone]

I love this show so far, but it has only been 3 episodes so far. As far as I can tell with the previews for next weeks episodes though it looks as if they are going to start doing some magic/ghost stuff. I think if they go with this whole direction I will probably stop watching. I dont want to watch a show about a magic island.

[alternity]

I love the mystery ,they have good writer unlike smallville. I'm watching this show instead of smallville (to much Lana Lang ,it make me puke)

[President_Luthor]

'Lost' has great potential -- and it doesn't conflict with the Smallville schedule N of the 49th, since Smallville airs Tues. here.

[alternity]

It does where i am ,Lost is schedule at the same hour and same days where i am

[TATEone]

I just DVR (tivo) it and watch it later.

[nexgod]

Awesome last show

I found it a bit freaky, how his hallutionation led to fresh water and the casket of his father's

Its like he found Life and Death next to each other

[TATEone]

Yeah I know what you mean. At first I thought it was his father leading him to save the day by finding water, but after he also found that casket which turned up empty, I dont know what to think now. I'm guessing that the island has some kind of power and maybe his father was brought back to life, but if that was the case then why didnt all those others who died in the wreak not come back. Anyways also I don't know if it was the island or some sort of impact from the crash, but the guy who can now walk is pretty crazy too. Thats just my 2 cents on the last episode.

[angelfire east]

I missed the show can some one fill me in on what happen,please?

[alternity]

As the eye opens, we see a trickle of blood beginning to flow from a cut just above it. We pull back to see a boy laying flat on his back. Beside him another boy is being ruthlessly beaten against a school yard fence. "Walk away now and you won't get your ass kicked," says the bully. And the truth of it is, walking away would definitely be the smart thing for him to do - the bully is much bigger than he is. But the boy against the fence is in real trouble and, mixed in with the pain and the terror there is something else written on his face — written so clearly you'd have to be blind not to see it. Please, help me! The first boy is up in a flash and goes to help his friend, but he's grabbed from behind by the bully and spun around, the bully's fist already cocked and ready to fire. "Should've stayed down Jack." WHAP! Lights out…

That was a Young Jack. Back in real time, Charlie races down the beach towards him, rousing Adult Jack from his FLASHBACK. "Jack! JACK! There's someone out there!" Charlie points out to the ocean — And oh my God, there IS someone out there yelling for help and struggling to stay afloat. Before Charlie can explain that he doesn't know how to swim, Jack is in the water, pounding through the surf towards the target. When he gets there, he scans the surface and finds nothing but open water. He dives under. Nothing. He dives again and he's down there a long time until…he's up and he's got someone with him. It's Boone! And just as we're about to breathe a sigh of relief, Boone asks a terrible question: "Did you get her?" Did he get who? "That woman, did you get her?" Jack turns around and, sure enough, there is someone else further out, calling for help and about to go under. Kate and Charlie take an exhausted Boone from Jack at the breakwater and Jack turns around and dives right back in. But we widen out we see the awful truth laid out before us. Jack can swim as hard as he wants… but there is no one left to save.

Back on the beach, while Kate is trying to prevent Jack from beating himself up for the life he didn't save, Jack sees the man in the suit standing in the water. When he asks Kate if she saw him too, Kate recognizes that Jack's exhausted and asks how long it's been since he slept.

Meanwhile, Sawyer has begun his own business, providing luxuries to the survivors from the stash of goodies he collected from the wreckage and as the prices reflect, he's got the market cornered in that department. "But don't worry", he tells Shannon…he'll take a check.

Hurley and Charlie tell Jack that they are dangerously low on water. It hasn't rained in a few days and there are 47 people to take care of. Jack has to point out the mathematical error. Better make that 46. They want Jack to decide what should be done, but he wants no part of it.

In FLASHBACK we see young Jack in his father's study receiving a very important lesson on what it takes to be a leader. He tells Jack he doesn't have it. And while that might not be the easiest lesson to learn, Jack needs to know there are consequences for getting involved in other people's business. Consequences like that shiner on his eye.

Back in real time, Jack is speaking with Boone when he sees the man in the suit again. This time, he's not going to let him get away. He races off into the woods and sees the man standing there with his back turned. When he turns around, the shock knocks Jack right off his feet because the man in the suit looks an awful lot like his FATHER!

On the beach, the heat and the lack of water are taking their toll. When Claire faints, the others rally to her side, but when they go to give her some of the precious water, they make a frightening discovery — it's all gone — stolen! Locke offers to go into the jungle to find more — just enough to keep Claire going.

IN FLASHBACK, we see Jack back in the same study, but he's older now - the Jack we know on the island. His mother tells him that his father is missing and that it's Jack's fault. She tells him to go and bring his father back home. Jack asks his mother where he is. She answers, Australia.

In the jungle, Jack races after the man in the suit. Just as he is getting close, he trips and falls down an incline, barely catching himself on a vine before falling off a cliff. He hangs there, slowly losing his grip on the vine. But just before he falls to the rocks below, a hand comes over and pulls him up. It's Locke! He tells Jack that the others are all looking to him to tell them what to do. Jack doesn't want the job and tells Locke about his hallucinations. Locke tells Jack that he should consider the possibility he is not hallucinating. But that's impossible. Locke tells him that possible is a relative term… especially on this island.

Back at the beach, Sayid and Kate catch Sun with a bottle of water. When they learn she got it from Sawyer, they confront him about stealing their supply. Turns out he didn't do it and he can prove it — he made a trade with Jin, "cave-man style". As Charlie does his best to comfort Claire, we wonder how long she can hang on.

In FLASHBACK, Jack finally catches up with his father in Australia…in the morgue. Back in reality, Jack wipes away his tears as he sits alone in the jungle struggling with the loss all over again. Suddenly, the man in the suit crosses by again. Jack follows him through the dark and into an undiscovered part of the island where Jack discovers fresh water and a COFFIN.

In the final FLASHBACK, we learn that Jack put his father's coffin on the plane to fly back to California for the funeral. In real time, Jack finds that the coffin is EMPTY. In a fit of frustration at not being able to bury his father and the pure exhaustion that may be causing him to hallucinate, he destroys the coffin.

Back at the beach the water thief is caught. It was Boone! And just as the mob is about to have at him, Jack returns to the scene. He tells them they can't go on like this. It's been six days and rescue hasn't come, they have to start accepting the idea that it may never come. He tells them about the water he found in the jungle and explains to them all that things have to change or more people are going to die. "If we can't live together, we're going to die alone."

[angelfire east]

wow, thanks, I wish I saw that episode, Thanks so much:)

[ProudPenny]

Please don't post entire recaps here - you can link to long articles like that but this isn't really the place to post them. Try getting a LiveJournal and posting a link to your entries.

Smallville is actually not doing that badly against Lost. Its ratings have dipped about 13%, but the WB is experiencing an average ofa 10% decrease in ratings overall, excepting One Tree Hill, which, lacking competition in 24 which won't debut until January, has seen an increase of 56%. So our show is holding its own.

I'm watching both and enjoying both very much. I do wish the timeslots were easier to reconcile though.

[sketchysupergirl]

I also watch both Lost and Smallville - I just tape one and watch the other. Lost is on my list of new addictions, but it will never replace Smallville in my heart. :) After all, Lost doesn't have Tom Welling!

[ArtisticGal]

Me too! :) I watch Lost with my family and tape smallville for myself. Smallville is mine ALL MINE! hehehe

I think my fav charactor so far is the slightly creepy , once was handicapped, knife guy. It is probably because i know more about his past then most of these people.

[biym6969]

lost has been great so far, and with the addition of desperate housewives it's put ABC back on the map in terms of ratings. however, their true competition would come soon enough as american idol is prime for a season premiere after the world series.

[Aslan]

ABC finally realized that they cannot get ratings off of the umpteenth year of The Bachelor. Reality shows suck, and should go away, so that we can get back to good shows like Smallville, Lost, Desperate Housewives, and others.

I have been watching Lost. I didn't see the pilot, but I have watched a couple of the others. I am sorry that it is in competition with Smallville, but that is how it always goes.

When "ED" used to be on air, it was on the same time as Smallville....last year. I liked it a lot too.

It is good to hear, Miss Wendy, that Smallville is not really suffering too badly on accound of Lost. I hope it stays that way. I am also hoping that moving the Mountain to Sundays will help Smallville.

Too bad they don't switch Smallville back to Tuesday night like it used to be, so that it would not really have any competition. I guess the WB figures that Smallville has a much better chance against Lost than does One Tree Hill. (BTW, One Tree HIll is the only other WB show I watch.)

[IMHOTEP]

Lost is awesome! I'm hooked! The twists and turns really keep up the pace, but like with Alias, we may not get all the pay-offs.

It was great seeing Matthew Fox again - my, he's aged well. Why don't the doctors I meet look like that? LOL!

[biym6969]

Originally posted by Aslan
ABC finally realized that they cannot get ratings off of the umpteenth year of The Bachelor. Reality shows suck, and should go away, so that we can get back to good shows like Smallville, Lost, Desperate Housewives, and others.

I have been watching Lost. I didn't see the pilot, but I have watched a couple of the others. I am sorry that it is in competition with Smallville, but that is how it always goes.

When "ED" used to be on air, it was on the same time as Smallville....last year. I liked it a lot too.

It is good to hear, Miss Wendy, that Smallville is not really suffering too badly on accound of Lost. I hope it stays that way. I am also hoping that moving the Mountain to Sundays will help Smallville.

Too bad they don't switch Smallville back to Tuesday night like it used to be, so that it would not really have any competition. I guess the WB figures that Smallville has a much better chance against Lost than does One Tree Hill. (BTW, One Tree HIll is the only other WB show I watch.)


i absolutely agree with you....move it back to tuesday at 8 and the only thing that's probably competing against it is 24. the wednesday nite line up at 8 is for all the high rollers. lost, top model, american idol, etc.

[smallville_girlie]

Another great episode last night :D

[thomasw]

I can't believe Jack didn't pick up on Kate's flirting :)

They're keeping up with the twists for each other, which is cool. I love how they keep leading up to something until near the end of an episode and then hit you with it (I was going "Oh my god! She speak's English!!").

I don't know if this means anything, but they haven't heard the monster since Locke saw/met it.

[angelfire east]

i liked how the the draugie give up his drags on his own, he could have held on to them till it was all gone, but he didn't.

i That was so cool that she could speck english, he was so suprised.

[nexgod]

Why cant that Korean guy speak English :D

[angelfire east]

because i think she learned engish before she was going to leave, she was most likely going to a english specking coulty.

[TATEone]

This show got better again with this last weeks episode. The one before with the whole ghost thing kinda made me think they were gonna go in a weird direction with it, but they turned it around again for now atleast. Can't wait til this weeks episode.

[Aslan]

Yeah, I was not liking the ghost thing....I thought they were just going off the deep end with that one.

They brought it back in pretty good though.

I am interested to see if the Doc will realize that Evangaline Lily(Kate?) wants him to come to her on the beach.

I don't want her to hook up with the cowboy though.

[dastranger]

Originally posted by Miss Windy
Smallville is actually not doing that badly against Lost. Its ratings have dipped about 13%, but the WB is experiencing an average ofa 10% decrease in ratings overall, excepting One Tree Hill, which, lacking competition in 24 which won't debut until January, has seen an increase of 56%.

Actually, from my understanding, FOX has moved "24" to Monday night (for the start of the new season in Jan '05). So the general sentiments on this message thread to move "Smallville" Tuesday might be a good idea.

The Stranger

[ArtisticGal]

I agree! Wednesdays are so brutal. And whats on Tuesday? Scrubs? That isn't to hard too go against.

[angelfire east]

i loved lost tonight, and hated smallville's episode so odd. Anyway poor drugie, I ready like him, loved how he over came the addickion:D

[biym6969]

so, who do you guys think hit sayid over the head??? i don't think it could be sawyer cuz it's impossible for him to signal the flair and be able to get there and club him one.

i predict that it could be the old guy. i mean he was paralyzed until he reached the islands, therefore he would refuse to leave. he's living out his dream to be able to hunt and walk.

[angelfire east]

i thought it was make be convik guy but you could be right:)

[nexgod]

the french girl!

[smallville_girlie]

What was up with all the moths?

[nexgod]

It symbolizes Charlie, struggling, to become stronger etc

Yet also looking for the light as he did in the end

[thomasw]

I agree with nexgod, the French woman hit Sayed :)

Sayed made a good point about the plane crash too, how they shouldn't have survived but they all only had a few scratches. The exception is the Marshall, but I can't remember whether he was stabbed by that metal during or after the crash?

They're solving the mysteries of all the main characters, but not the mysteries of the island, so there's still so many different directions they could take it in. Was crashing on that island an accident or not? Was their survival random chance or is there a greater power behind it? Is the monster just a rampaging creature or some sort of intelligent force (the monster made no sound this ep, which continues its run of silence ever since Locke faced it)?

The only thing I know for sure is that Kate is as sexy as hell ;)

[SMLVLFAN89]

That episode was pretty good. I have no idea who hit him though... :\

[angelfire east]

I like how he throught the drugs in the fire at the end,

[smallville_girlie]

Locke is my favorite character :D

I think that everyone on the island will assume that the blonde guy, the bad one (I can't remember his name) that he hit him. But I think that it could be someone that lives on the island that no one knows about.

[biym6969]

Originally posted by smallville_girlie
Locke is my favorite character :D

I think that everyone on the island will assume that the blonde guy, the bad one (I can't remember his name) that he hit him. But I think that it could be someone that lives on the island that no one knows about.

blonde guy = sawyer :)

[smallville_girlie]

Thanks, there are too many people on this show :lol:

[thomasw]

Even the characters themselves can't keep up, what with Michael getting two of the non-main lostees mixed up in the latest episode :lol:

[smallville_girlie]

Who is Michael? :lol:

Someone should make a character ledgen!

[biym6969]

Originally posted by smallville_girlie
Who is Michael? :lol:

Someone should make a character ledgen!


here you go....




Matthew Fox Jack (doctor)

Evangeline Lilly Kate (convict)

Ian Somerhalder Boone (i believe this is the guy that played adam in smallville)

Dominic Monaghan Charlie (british singer)

Jorge Garcia Hurley (big person)

Maggie Grace Shannon (the b***h that is shallow, self absorbed, superficial, conceded, and only cares for herself.)

Malcolm David Kelley Walt (not sure)

Naveen Andrews Sayid (sawyer labeled him as terrorist)

Harold Perrineau Michael (not sure)

Josh Holloway Sawyer (blonde guy)

Terry O'Quinn Locke (old guy)

Daniel Dae Kim Jin (korean husband)

Yunjin Kim Sun (korean wife)

Emilie de Ravin Claire (not sure)

[smallville_girlie]

Thanks that helps!

*still doesn't know who Michael is* :lol:

[biym6969]

Originally posted by biym6969
here you go....




Matthew Fox Jack (doctor)

Evangeline Lilly Kate (convict)

Ian Somerhalder Boone (i believe this is the guy that played adam in smallville)

Dominic Monaghan Charlie (british singer)

Jorge Garcia Hurley (big person)

Maggie Grace Shannon (the b***h that is shallow, self absorbed, superficial, conceded, and only cares for herself.)

Malcolm David Kelley Walt (little boy with his dog)

Naveen Andrews Sayid (sawyer labeled him as terrorist)

Harold Perrineau Michael (father of the boy)

Josh Holloway Sawyer (blonde guy)

Terry O'Quinn Locke (old guy)

Daniel Dae Kim Jin (korean husband)

Yunjin Kim Sun (korean wife)

Emilie de Ravin Claire (girl from roswell, and also, pregnant)

[thomasw]

EDIT: damn, someone beat me to it while I was writing this out :p

He's the father of the little kid.

Jack - the hero and doctor.
Kate - the ever-beautiful heroine and wanted criminal.
Sayed - the ex-military iraqii.
Charlie - the band guy and drug addict.
Locke - the bald guy and cured paraplegic.
Michael - the father of Walt.
Walt - the little kid.
Sawyer - the blonde guy who's crushing on Kate.
Jin - the Korean guy and organised crime gang member.
Sun - the Korean woman who secretly speaks English.
Boone - Adam from Smallville.
Shannon - Boone's sister.
Hurley - the friendly big guy.
Claire - the pregnant Aussie woman.

????? - the woman who's husband died (but she thinks he survived and is somewhere else on the island)

[smallville_girlie]

Thanks to the both of you :D

So who did Michael call different names?

[thomasw]

There were three non-main characters on the beach with Michael, he pointed to one of them and said "Hey, uh, Scott?" and the guy replied "I'm Steve" and then one of the other guy said "I'm Scott."

[biym6969]

all these characters are cool....althought what is up with the beast....it has stop roaring for a while now.

[smallville_girlie]

Originally posted by thomasw
There were three non-main characters on the beach with Michael, he pointed to one of them and said "Hey, uh, Scott?" and the guy replied "I'm Steve" and then one of the other guy said "I'm Scott."

:rotfl: At least I'm not the only one.

The whole beast thing is weird. It is a polar bear, but it is not cold there. I wish that they didn't show what it was until later in the show, just so that we could keep guessing.

[nexgod]

Originally posted by thomasw
There were three non-main characters on the beach with Michael, he pointed to one of them and said "Hey, uh, Scott?" and the guy replied "I'm Steve" and then one of the other guy said "I'm Scott."


I hope we get to see more of them :D

[thomasw]

The polar bear was actually not the beast :)

Locke faced the beast after the polar bear was killed, and it hasn't made a sound since then. Locke said, "I've looked into the eye of this island and what I saw was beautiful," so that really leaves it open still to a whole pile of normal or abnormal possibilities.


I hope we get to see more of them :DSomething tells me they're going to be like Ensigns on Star Trek :)

[smallville_girlie]

Your right, I never really caught that, I just thought that he was referring to the polar bear.

[biym6969]

Originally posted by thomasw
The polar bear was actually not the beast :)

agreed, if you took a look at the second epi (i think, might be the first), when the survivors got to the crash site of the plane and they were looking for the radio the pilot got his flesh pealed off. not to mention the monster cast a shadow that appears to be bigger than a polar bear.

[smallville_girlie]

New episode tonight :D

[Aslan]

They're solving the mysteries of all the main characters, but not the mysteries of the island, so there's still so many different directions they could take it in. Was crashing on that island an accident or not? Was their survival random chance or is there a greater power behind it? Is the monster just a rampaging creature or some sort of intelligent force (the monster made no sound this ep, which continues its run of silence ever since Locke faced it)?

I kind of wish we would know more about that monster(I think it is that tyrannasaurus Rex from Jurrasic Park), but I am sure that is to come.

I wonder why old baldie(Locke) didn't really tell anyone about it? Was he just trying to protect them and not let them get frightened? Or was he hiding something and has malicious intent?
Time will tell.



The only thing I know for sure is that Kate is as sexy as hell ;)

To put it eloquently......."You Ain't Never Lie!" ha ha
She is so hot, esp when in the jungle like that. I kind of even like the "bad girl" thing she usually has with cuts and stuff on her. So sexy for some reason.


Originally posted by smallville_girlie
:rotfl: At least I'm not the only one.

The whole beast thing is weird. It is a polar bear, but it is not cold there. I wish that they didn't show what it was until later in the show, just so that we could keep guessing.

We don't know that it is a polar bear.
They found a polar bear dead, but that does not mean that the "monster" is one too.

I think it is prehistoric, whatever it is.
That goes along with the miracle/mysterious stuff on the island.


Locke said, "I've looked into the eye of this island and what I saw was beautiful," so that really leaves it open still to a whole pile of normal or abnormal possibilities.


I think what he was referring to as beautiful was intangible. I mean, he was healed, and to him, that is beautiful.

[smallville_girlie]

Great episode, but I thought that something was missing at the end.

I can't believe that Sawyer is not Sawyer, I never saw that coming.

[biym6969]

dude last nites episode was great.....pow bam....sawyer's an a--hole.....zing wam....korean girl helps out.....zoom boom....sayid leaves and is going to get captured, possibly by the frenchy...zap bong....man i'm getting caught left and right with this show.


Originally posted by smallville_girlie
Great episode, but I thought that something was missing at the end.

I can't believe that Sawyer is not Sawyer, I never saw that coming.


true but that doesn't mean he won't be later, which i think makes it better :D. well it was implied that he was a good person at heart.

[smallville_girlie]

Even thought that was implied, he is still scary. I see the good in him but then he just flips out, but with a childhood like that, who wouldn't.

[angelfire east]

I missed the first 20 minutes what was in the letter? For a kiss kate realy put her self into it, I didn't htink she would have kissed him like that for so long long, I like that koran girl, think something going to happen between her and the guy with the son(man I realy need to know there names). I love what Charie did, couldn't find any penutbutter :D

[thomasw]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I missed the first 20 minutes what was in the letter?The letter was written by an 8 year old kid, saying that because of Sawyer sleeping with his mother and conning his parents his father killed his mother and then committed suicide, leaving the kid alone without a family.

That's why at the start Kate (and us) assume that the kid found and gave the letter to Sawyer, but at the end we find out "Sawyer" wrote the letter himself when he was 8, and he hates himself so much because in the intervening years he became the man who he hated (the real Sawyer).

It's great how while he's most of the time a complete jerk and bad guy, he still has these little moments where you see something redeemable deep inside.

And yeah, Kate certainly didn't hold back with that kiss. Right afterwards too she looked a little bit overwhelmed by it aswell. It's possible Sawyer is going to be more than just an outside annoyance to the budding Kate/Jack romance :(

[biym6969]

i couldn't hear him clearly enough when he was lying there explaining his situation. was sawyer the person that killed his parents??? i rewatched that scene for the second time last nite i don't what he did when he was 19 :confused:

[Aslan]

Sawyer was the person that conned his parents out of all their money.

Then, as a result, his dad killed his mom, and then killed himself.

---------------------------------------------------------

the cool thing was that in the letter, it was written to Mr. Sawyer. That is why they had us all going for a while there.


Locke is just stirring the pot. He was not really in much of this episode, but he was kind of in the background.
He is just planting all kinds of ideas in people's heads. He doesn't want to get off the island, because he is walking now. That is why he told Sayid about Sawyer and gave him the huge knife.


Sayid a torture artist....never would have seen that!

[smallville_girlie]

Sawyer conned his parent? I thought that he was the little boy.

[angelfire east]

no he's not really Sawyer, he took Sawyers name after he conned these people and sees the little kid.

[smallville_girlie]

He was the little boy, right?

[angelfire east]

iyea he was the little boy who wrote the letter to Sawyer, then grew up and become the Sawyer(well he took his name)

[smallville_girlie]

That is what I thought.

[Aslan]

Sorry, let me clarify......

Sawyer was not the little boy that they showed.
He had the same thing happen to him when he was little by a man named Sawyer.
He wrote that letter to him, and has tried his whole life to find the "real" Sawyer.
However, he became Sawyer-like by conning someone else......when he saw the little boy, it all came back to him and he could not put him through the same thing. That is why he just dropped it all and left.

[smallville_girlie]

I thought so. Man, this show is confusing.

[thomasw]

lol :)

I wonder if we'll get to find out his real name. And what happened to him when he didn't give that tough guy his money back (I'm guessing he was running from the guy by taking this plane, which is a good reason why he doesn't want to be rescued).

[biym6969]

Originally posted by Aslan
Sorry, let me clarify......

Sawyer was not the little boy that they showed.
He had the same thing happen to him when he was little by a man named Sawyer.
He wrote that letter to him, and has tried his whole life to find the "real" Sawyer.
However, he became Sawyer-like by conning someone else......when he saw the little boy, it all came back to him and he could not put him through the same thing. That is why he just dropped it all and left.

okay, that's what i thought happen after i rewatched that scene the third time :D .


Originally posted by smallville_girlie
I thought so. Man, this show is confusing.

it is confusing....but i thought that after sayid left they would cool it with him and leave him out of the picture for a while. then the next thing i knew the preview is about sayid :lol: .

[nexgod]

it was AWESOME!

Man, sawyer is so complex :(

[biym6969]

the new york post had an article out that question the fat guys motive. on wednesday's epi charlie (british guy) said to hurley that he hasn't lost any weight, implying that he might've kept some food somewhere on the island. In other internet forums they also questioned his motives according to the post, but they said that only a couple of days past after each epi and it would only be a month before the season is over. what do you guys think??

[Aslan]

They have only been on the island for like two weeks. It was mentioned in last episode. I think with how large he is, if was really eating as little as everyone else, he would have lost a considerable amount of weight.
He is huge. I mean, you are going to notice any little drop in weight on his part.


You still might not want to be giving any piggy back rides to him, as he so eloquently put it.

[Mr. D]

This was a great episode.

[Aslan]

I am waiting in anticipation for this week's episode.

I wonder what will happen with Sayid and Sawyer(or whoever it really is)?

[angelfire east]

Same here.

[nexgod]

Said I dont think we'll see him anytime soon

[biym6969]

my guess is still the locke that knocked sayid unconscious. i think that the producers are trying to steer us away from the true by assuming that the women who capture sayid in the up coming epi is the one that did it??


very likely, or no way possible???

[smallville_girlie]

If you don't want to know what is happening with Sayid, don't read the discription for this episode.

[Aslan]

I can't wait.
I hope more developes with Jack and Kate.


I personally don't really care what happens to Sayid. ha ha.
I have never cared for his character.

Locke is very interesting though.
I could easily see him playing everyone agaist each other.

I didn't like Charlie until he gave upt he drugs. I really like how he is turning out. That Peanut Butter thing was cool.

Bring on the Monster!

[smallville_girlie]

Very good episode. That lady Danielle was crazy, I don't understand why she did go back with Sayid. Also when they showed the clip of Sayid shooting the other guard, did anyone else notice that he died from being shot in the shoulder? :lol:

The ending was great! I was glad that Sawyer came to join :D

[biym6969]

what did the french lady mean by there isn't any monsters????

[smallville_girlie]

She said that the polar bear wasn't the monster.

[Aslan]

The polar bear is not the monster....or at least, I don't think so.

I think there was a polar bear that they found, and there is something else out there that is much bigger, dare I say it.

I think it is a dinosaur or something.

Hey, it could happen!

[thomasw]

Was anyone else a bit disappointed? Sayed finds the french woman, and instead of any answers we just get more questions!

It sounds like either some disease infected the french woman's team, or she went insane and killed them off.

The monster thing was when she went to go outside and see what the noise was (she said that if they were lucky it would just be a bear) and Sayed warned her that it could be the monster. She said "there's no such thing as monsters". But there must be SOMETHING because of the "if we're lucky its a bear" remark, meaning there's something worse than bears.

Those voices Sayed heard at the end were creepy too. It lends a bit more weight to the idea that they're really in some sort of Limbo, awaiting the afterlife.

[biym6969]

Originally posted by thomasw
Was anyone else a bit disappointed? Sayed finds the french woman, and instead of any answers we just get more questions!

It sounds like either some disease infected the french woman's team, or she went insane and killed them off.

The monster thing was when she went to go outside and see what the noise was (she said that if they were lucky it would just be a bear) and Sayed warned her that it could be the monster. She said "there's no such thing as monsters". But there must be SOMETHING because of the "if we're lucky its a bear" remark, meaning there's something worse than bears.

Those voices Sayed heard at the end were creepy too. It lends a bit more weight to the idea that they're really in some sort of Limbo, awaiting the afterlife.

i know what the disease is, it's actually the T-virus. :rotfl: they became blood suxing zombies :rotfl:

[thomasw]

lol

Does that mean while the rest become zombies, Kate will actually evolve into some sort of super girl? :)

[Aslan]

Maybe not that, but she will go back to get revenge on the Hive and all of the Umbrella Corp. ha ha


Good episode.
We learned a lot about Sayid.
He had a love, and did a lot for her....only to never have seen her again.

Something is up with Locke and Walt(the kid). I don't know what is going on there, but you could see that the buy was disappointed that his dad would not pay him more attention. Wonder what is up?

The monster does exist, I bet.
Or at least, it is something bigger than a bear, like you said thomasw. I guess her partners got some kind of disease and then she "had" to kill them.

Did the Danielle scare anyone else? She was a little bit freaky.

The voices in the middle of the jungle were really creepy. I was getting creeped out and then, all you see is..........Boom....."LOST." ha ha That scared me.

This show is getting good.

[biym6969]

i don't know...this kind of reminds me of deep rising, where they had all these monsters inhabiting an isolated island... i actually loved that movie.


with that said....do you guys think there might be more than one of these monsters on the island???

[Aslan]

It is quite possible.
If it is a carnivore, how is there enough that is lower on the food chain to feel the thing(s)?

[nexgod]

She freaked me out

It was her eyes :o

[Aslan]

Is Lost showing tomorrow night?
I know that Smallville is not, but I just have not seen whether Lost is on or not.
I didn't see previews for the new one after last week's episode.

[smallville_girlie]

Lost is not airing tonight :(

[biym6969]

which also explains why they didn't promote the show as much as they had over these past couple of days.

[Aslan]

Well, I just don't watch ABC that much, so I wouldn't know.
Thanks for the info.

[smallville_girlie]

New Lost tonight. I am wondering what Sayid will tell everyone when he returns.

[biym6969]

just curious...if anyone actually plays the tvtome.com fantasy league, where you pick certain characters to be in your team and try to win as much night as you can??? they have all the characters in lost as supporting including jack, which was a bit of a surprise...i thought that he's the star of the show...hmmmmm.

anyways, i digress, yes smallville girlie, i am to interested in what sayid tells the others. i'm also wondering how emilie's story is going to play out.

[smallville_girlie]

Call me SVG :D

I also remember that after Sayid left the girl, he started to hear "voices"

[Piiike]

All though Kate and Jack appear to be the love birds of the series. I'm really digging The sexual tension between Sawyer and Kate.

Anyone else?

[angelfire east]

Wow, poor pargent girl, poor dragie guy, wow so mush to say I just don't know where to start. I think that's carzy freach womens son who kidnapped them.

[smallville_girlie]

That was the French lady's son??? :eek:

[thomasw]

I think angelfire was saying she thinks that the guy will turn out to be her son. Ethan Rom is an anagram of "more than", maybe he's more than what he seems :)

They're driving me crazy with how they continually drive through the middle of normal-mystical-scientific. Everything they show in a way that it could be normal (just some people on an island who don't know what's going on yet), could be mystical (psychics, healings, monsters and visions) or could be scientific (secret power plants, crazy diseases, possibly secret group of people on the island manipulating things).

10 episodes in and I have no idea which way it's going to fall!

[biym6969]

why do they torment me??? the best epi ever and they end it with a cliffhanger. why!!!??? i need to know, i need to know. *sobbing quietly*

btw--> that's a great great guess if it is the french lady's son. personally, i really don't want to think to much into it cuz it's so captivating that if i guess and it was right, that would be a down for me personally.

[smallville_girlie]

Does anyone remember what her son's name was?

[nexgod]

Alex :)

[smallville_girlie]

Thanks Nex :D

Ethan is really creepy.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by thomasw
I think angelfire was saying she thinks that the guy will turn out to be her son.

Yeah that's what i'm saying. He a guy who wasn't on the list, he carzy, like the French woman,(he looks like he is carzy to me) and she was looking for her son in the last episode, he could have gone missing and joined the crush suvioer(sp).

I wonder where he taking them, to his home, his mom maybe? Or somewhere else...?

[smallville_girlie]

It was weird, Ethan was sleeping by the caves with the rest of the group.

As for next weeks episode:

That guy kidnaps Charlie and Claire in the next episode

[angelfire east]

yeah that's why I going with him being carzy.

[biym6969]

hold on, didn't the french lady said that he killed her family including alex???

[smallville_girlie]

Yep, she said that she killed everyone.

This show is so confusing :lol:

[biym6969]

so, ethan couldn't be alex right???

[Aslan]

Originally posted by Piiike
All though Kate and Jack appear to be the love birds of the series. I'm really digging The sexual tension between Sawyer and Kate.

Anyone else?

It is definitely there, but I don't like it.
I don't like Sawyer(I mean, he is good on the show as a complex character, but I don't want him with Kate.)

Jack seems better suited for her, although we still don't know what she did to be locked up when in the plane.


Originally posted by angelfire east
Wow, poor pargent girl, poor dragie guy, wow so mush to say I just don't know where to start. I think that's carzy freach womens son who kidnapped them.


Good call, I think that could be it.

BTW, I think you would win the typo award.
pargent?
dragie?


Originally posted by smallville_girlie
It was weird, Ethan was sleeping by the caves with the rest of the group.

As for next weeks episode:

That guy kidnaps Charlie and Claire in the next episode

Dang, I cannot wait!


Originally posted by angelfire east
yeah that's why I going with him being carzy.

CRAZY


Originally posted by biym6969
hold on, didn't the french lady said that he killed her family including alex???

That is what I thought.
I thought she said that she killed them all because they were sick.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Aslan
BTW, I think you would win the typo award.
pargent?
dragie?

yeah, I can't spell, I have speech and writing problems; I can't sound things' out and I mess up the order of letters in some words.

Any way back on topic if she killed her son then way was she looking for him in the episode before the last. She was trying to make that guy tell her where he is remember, but she could just be so crazy that she still think's he's alive

[smallville_girlie]

Originally posted by biym6969
so, ethan couldn't be alex right???

Who knows if his real name is even Ethan :lol:

[biym6969]

can't wait until the next lost.

[angelfire east]

same here! Now Smallville is reruns it the only show I have to look forward to on a Wed. And I'm dying to know what's going to happen

[smallville_girlie]

The next episode should be interesting.

[ILoveMyLex]

Lost is totally awesome!! JJ Abrams is probably one of the most gifted men in television. But it's on at the same time as Smallville... I'm torn between them... it hurts... *sniff* I flip back and forth between commercials LOL

[biym6969]

Originally posted by ILoveMyLex
Lost is totally awesome!! JJ Abrams is probably one of the most gifted men in television. But it's on at the same time as Smallville... I'm torn between them... it hurts... *sniff* I flip back and forth between commercials LOL

why don't you watch smallville and record lost???

[angelfire east]

Or if you live in Canada and get CTV(B.C) and ASN(B.C), watch Smallville at 4:00pm then watch Lost at 8:00pm.

[hearts100]

lost is the #1 show on Wednesday.

[angelfire east]

OMG!!! I thoguht that Charlie was dead! That was so maen, he's one of my favoiute character. I turned the show the first time because he was in it. Glad he back alive. They really had me going that he could be dead. That was freakie seeing him hanging there. Man I would be getting that picture out of my head for a while. In the being I thought Jack was being at dumb*** for going with them to look for Charlie and Claire because like Lock said if something happens to them the other need still need a doctor till he found Charlie and saved him. Still don't know if that guy would have still killed him or not, because he said stop following me or I'll kill one of them, and he keep following him. I think he would have killed Charlie any way seeing how Charlie said all they wanted was Claire.

Lock is still one of the coolest and best character on the show, I like Boon(sp) he cool.

I don't think the crazy guy is the french woman's son anymore, but I don't know who he is.

[Tigress35]

That episode is freakin' fantastic. Sad that Charlie didn't die... but... I was hoping!!

[angelfire east]

What you wanted him to die?!? Why? if you don't mind me asking:D

[Tigress35]

I don't like him!

[smallville_girlie]

I am so glad that Charlie didn't die. Jack was very selfish in this episode. Locke and Boon were great as always.

But I am starting to think that Clarie and her baby are the reason that they crashed on the island.

[biym6969]

Originally posted by angelfire east
OMG!!! I thoguht that Charlie was dead! That was so maen, he's one of my favoiute character. I turned the show the first time because he was in it. Glad he back alive. They really had me going that he could be dead. That was freakie seeing him hanging there. Man I would be getting that picture out of my head for a while. In the being I thought Jack was being at dumb*** for going with them to look for Charlie and Claire because like Lock said if something happens to them the other need still need a doctor till he found Charlie and saved him. Still don't know if that guy would have still killed him or not, because he said stop following me or I'll kill one of them, and he keep following him. I think he would have killed Charlie any way seeing how Charlie said all they wanted was Claire.

Lock is still one of the coolest and best character on the show, I like Boon(sp) he cool.

I don't think the crazy guy is the french woman's son anymore, but I don't know who he is.

You know eventually they are going to knock someone off, it's a matter of time. Charlie, however, i feel isn't that significant in the story plot as of right now. The producers are trying to develop a relationship with him and claire that's about it. What surprised me as i was watching the scene was how soon they knocked him off. Even, when Jack was hitting him on the chest, so violently and katie was breaking down i thought he was really dead. Another great epi.

btw>>>>my friends believe it's a cult of people and that there isn't any monsters from the get go...i hate to admit it but it sure looks like it. i mean with Locke finding the manhole or whatever it is on the ground to the unexplained voices that sayid heard as he rushed back to camp....hmmmmmm...makes you guys kind of wonder don't it??? what do you guys think it is now???

[smallville_girlie]

Did you notice that the little boy, kept rolling the exact numbers that he wanted?

[biym6969]

Originally posted by smallville_girlie
Jack was very selfish in this episode.

i have mixed feelings about it...personally, he took on the role of being a leader and Jack was burden with the fact that he didn't believe Claire in the last epi about her attacker. I just thought that he wanted to set the wrong things right again, which was, why he relentlessly went after Claire. Who knows what might've happen, even if, he went back to camp alone. He could've slip and fell, met up with the french lady and she tried to kill him, encountering the beast, or worst. It's important to stick with the group that way, when something happens your prepare to face it together. furthermore, look at what happen with Charlie, if he would've went back to camp then, who's going to perform CPR on him. On the other hand, he could've handle it a bit differently in his pursuit for the girl, instead of charging ahead like a mad man. it was the drive for his own personal satifaction that caused him to be self involved. i guess, you can say he's selfish in that way, but at the same time he's a leader people depend on him for help.


Originally posted by smallville_girlie
Did you notice that the little boy, kept rolling the exact numbers that he wanted?

yeah!!! Man, if only i had luck like that when i went to las vegas...:rotfl:

[smallville_girlie]

The sences from Jack's past night seemed to be fuelling him the the present.

What do you think Boon and Locke found?

[biym6969]

Originally posted by smallville_girlie
The sences from Jack's past night seemed to be fuelling him the the present.

What do you think Boon and Locke found?

my guess is that ethan built an underground passage way (possibly with the help of others ;)) allowing him to live a little bit more conveniently and to escape from the beast or whatever that's above the surface. with more innocent people held captive, not just Claire.

[smallville_girlie]

I can't wait to see where this goes. Do anyone know when the new episodes will start up again?

[angelfire east]

What was last night's episodes the last one for Decmeber? Please say it ain't so.

[Aslan]

Originally posted by angelfire east
yeah, I can't spell, I have speech and writing problems; I can't sound things' out and I mess up the order of letters in some words.

Any way back on topic if she killed her son then way was she looking for him in the episode before the last. She was trying to make that guy tell her where he is remember, but she could just be so crazy that she still think's he's alive

Oh well, what can ya do, huh?
ha ha

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Aslan
Oh well, what can ya do, huh?
ha ha

............I can type "(sp)" a lot :D :lol: For real I try to work around it and if all else fails just not say anything.

[thomasw]

Originally posted by smallville_girlie
Did you notice that the little boy, kept rolling the exact numbers that he wanted? I posted back after the first few episodes about how the boy's wishes seem to come true (his father said he would look for the boy's lost dog as soon as it stopped raining then it instantly stopped raining, and he was reading a comic book with a polar bear in it in the ep when the polar bear appeared), and this seems like another hint towards that. Just one more way in which the show leans towards both the mystical and the scientific without letting us know which one is the real force behind events.

With last episodes psychic revelation about Claire's baby and now Ethan's targetting of her it does seem like that might be the reason behind everything. Claire was told that her love could protect her baby, but if anyone else raised it then it would be terrible, so perhaps there is a Cult or something in the mix. The psychic seems to have sent Claire on this plane in particular so that she would crash and be forced to raise her baby, so that would seem weird if a Cult had deliberately targetting her plane and brought her to that island on purpose.

I like Jack because he isn't the leader out of choice, but rather he knows a leader is needed, knows that he has the ability, and so feels obligated to lead. His leadership is from a position of burden, he knows that he can do good and therefor feels morally obligated to act even when he doesn't want to. It annoyed me a bit that he was so frantic and one-sighted in his search for Charlie and Claire, but I didn't really find it selfish.

The steel thing that Locke and Boon found, my guess is that it'll be an abandoned World War 2 bunker.

The show is going to have to pick a direction eventually, so I figure it will either veer to the mystical and there will be a cult, some miraculous powers (the boy's luck, Locke's healing, Jack's father's ghost/whatever, etc) and a monster, or it will veer to the scientific and it'll just be the french woman, her crazy son Ethan, an abandoned WW2 outpost (hence the steel and the power line) and a large animal or survived dinosaur.

It seems to me there has to be more people on the island though. Who was stopping Charlie and Claire from running away while Ethan beat up Jack, how did Ethan drag them both away by himself, and how did he string up Charlie by himself? He had to have others with him.

[smallville_girlie]

Locke said that there were only 3 sets of footprints though.

Charlie said to Jack that he never heard Clarie and that has me wondering.

[biym6969]

Originally posted by thomasw
I posted back after the first few episodes about how the boy's wishes seem to come true (his father said he would look for the boy's lost dog as soon as it stopped raining then it instantly stopped raining, and he was reading a comic book with a polar bear in it in the ep when the polar bear appeared), and this seems like another hint towards that. Just one more way in which the show leans towards both the mystical and the scientific without letting us know which one is the real force behind events.

wow!! very perceptive...


With last episodes psychic revelation about Claire's baby and now Ethan's targetting of her it does seem like that might be the reason behind everything. Claire was told that her love could protect her baby, but if anyone else raised it then it would be terrible, so perhaps there is a Cult or something in the mix. The psychic seems to have sent Claire on this plane in particular so that she would crash and be forced to raise her baby, so that would seem weird if a Cult had deliberately targetting her plane and brought her to that island on purpose.

should specify a little more on what i said earlier. it is a cult but i don't believe they knocked down the plane. besides like you said that it requires more than just one person to hang charlie, and drag two bodies as far as they did with just ethan.


The steel thing that Locke and Boon found, my guess is that it'll be an abandoned World War 2 bunker.

The show is going to have to pick a direction eventually, so I figure it will either veer to the mystical and there will be a cult, some miraculous powers (the boy's luck, Locke's healing, Jack's father's ghost/whatever, etc) and a monster, or it will veer to the scientific and it'll just be the french woman, her crazy son Ethan, an abandoned WW2 outpost (hence the steel and the power line) and a large animal or survived dinosaur.

anything is possible.

*they haven't shown the korean couple at all the last couple of eppies. hmmm...i wonder what the producers are planning to do with them.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by biym6969
should specify a little more on what i said earlier. it is a cult but i don't believe they knocked down the plane. besides like you said that it requires more than just one person to hang charlie, and drag two bodies as far as they did with just ethan.


I don't know about a cult being on the island, but anything is possible as you said before. I don't really see if there is a cult that they could or would knock down the palne. Also the man who looked into Claire's future had her go onto the plane so it would crash thus have her rais her baby, wouldn't he had been able to see what brought the plane down, and if he did and it was the cult would he have really told her to get on the plane to have the cult bring the plane down so they could get her/her baby once she was on the island? Unless he's part of the cult or supports the cult, or thinks the cult could help her. Or he thinks that going throught everything (being kidnapped) with the cult and coming out after wards alive will make her see how importent it is for her to rais her baby. Thus she does what he wants her too, she raises her baby and protects it from evil around it.

It does need more then just ethan to hung Charlie, you see his hands weren't tied behind his back or anything. And who stayed with Charlie and Claire when Ethan was talking to Jack? I could see Ethan being able to take Claire and Charlie if he had a gun or something, but we did not see one at anytime.

[DarthClark]

Originally posted by Disco
yeah... but it's up against Smallville :(

Dont worry Disco, Smallville is and always will be the best ever, no new series will blow it away, Superman has been around alot longer, no worry's. :D

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by biym6969
*they haven't shown the korean couple at all the last couple of eppies. hmmm...i wonder what the producers are planning to do with them.

I can see the woman leaveing her husbend and running to The guy with the son. They could even make a love thing between them or something.

[smallville_girlie]

Now that would be strange if it happens. I would like her to tell him that she has learnt how to speak english, the guy would lose it.

[nexgod]

Lost is better then Smallville :p

[nexgod]

jk :p

[Tigress35]

Haha. It is, no question. But I love both and I wouldn't choose one over the other.

[thomasw]

Lost has a lot going for it from a technical/presentation perspective (filming, writing, plot, etc) but Smallville does have a great story behind it. I wouldn't choose one over the other either, unless you took the Superman out of Smallville and then I'd favour Lost :)

This latest episode was a Jack-flashback episode which was interesting. The past 9 episodes or so have been introducing one person's story per episode through flashbacks, but now they looped back to Jack. I suppose they've almost been through everyone's flashbacks, but there's a few characters' we haven't seen.

[biym6969]

Originally posted by thomasw
Lost has a lot going for it from a technical/presentation perspective (filming, writing, plot, etc) but Smallville does have a great story behind it. I wouldn't choose one over the other either, unless you took the Superman out of Smallville and then I'd favour Lost :)

This latest episode was a Jack-flashback episode which was interesting. The past 9 episodes or so have been introducing one person's story per episode through flashbacks, but now they looped back to Jack. I suppose they've almost been through everyone's flashbacks, but there's a few characters' we haven't seen.

true, and you can tell that they don't necessarily have to reveal all of it's secrets just yet. the show still have so many characters to get into. i wonder if the producers are going to leave someone on the edge of dying as a cliffhanger for the season finale.

[smallville_girlie]

I can't wait to get more of Kate's flashbacks so I can find out why she was on the run.

[thomasw]

Originally posted by smallville_girlie
I can't wait to get more of Kate's flashbacks so I can find out why she was on the run. Ugh, totally! They've kept it a secret for so long now that it's got to be something interesting, it'd be anti-climactic if it wasn't something big.

[smallville_girlie]

I am sure that we will be learning more about her, but I don't think that they are going to give up the whole story just yet.

[Aslan]

Originally posted by thomasw
I posted back after the first few episodes about how the boy's wishes seem to come true (his father said he would look for the boy's lost dog as soon as it stopped raining then it instantly stopped raining, and he was reading a comic book with a polar bear in it in the ep when the polar bear appeared), and this seems like another hint towards that. Just one more way in which the show leans towards both the mystical and the scientific without letting us know which one is the real force behind events.

I never thought of it that way.
I didn't get into the show until like the 3rd episode, so I missed a little bit of that stuff.
That is interesting to think that the boy's wishes come true.


Originally posted by thomasw
With last episodes psychic revelation about Claire's baby and now Ethan's targetting of her it does seem like that might be the reason behind everything. Claire was told that her love could protect her baby, but if anyone else raised it then it would be terrible, so perhaps there is a Cult or something in the mix. The psychic seems to have sent Claire on this plane in particular so that she would crash and be forced to raise her baby, so that would seem weird if a Cult had deliberately targetting her plane and brought her to that island on purpose.


I truthfully don't think it is a Cult that is after the baby or Claire, but you never know. It is very strange that he waited to take Claire.....one of the largest people on the island to have to drag off. ha ha


Originally posted by thomasw
I like Jack because he isn't the leader out of choice, but rather he knows a leader is needed, knows that he has the ability, and so feels obligated to lead. His leadership is from a position of burden, he knows that he can do good and therefor feels morally obligated to act even when he doesn't want to. It annoyed me a bit that he was so frantic and one-sighted in his search for Charlie and Claire, but I didn't really find it selfish.


I like Jack and his un-forced leadership too.
I don't think he is being selfish about it, but is actually one of the smartest ones on the island.....other than Locke. The others would not survive without those two.


Originally posted by thomasw
The steel thing that Locke and Boon found, my guess is that it'll be an abandoned World War 2 bunker.


I think it might be some kind of other place fuselage or wing or something.
I can't wait to find out what it really is.


Originally posted by thomasw
The show is going to have to pick a direction eventually, so I figure it will either veer to the mystical and there will be a cult, some miraculous powers (the boy's luck, Locke's healing, Jack's father's ghost/whatever, etc) and a monster, or it will veer to the scientific and it'll just be the french woman, her crazy son Ethan, an abandoned WW2 outpost (hence the steel and the power line) and a large animal or survived dinosaur.


I think the show has already picked which one it is.....it is mystical. I mean, how else would there still be a polar bear, in tropical weather, a dinosaur.....Locke being able to walk......


Originally posted by thomasw
It seems to me there has to be more people on the island though. Who was stopping Charlie and Claire from running away while Ethan beat up Jack, how did Ethan drag them both away by himself, and how did he string up Charlie by himself? He had to have others with him.

You got a point.
It does seem that Ethan had some help....other than the crazy French lady.
I wonder just how much Sayid knows?


Originally posted by thomasw
Ugh, totally! They've kept it a secret for so long now that it's got to be something interesting, it'd be anti-climactic if it wasn't something big.

I know.
I am sure they know that everyone wants to know about that hottie.
That is why they are holding out on us.
There is way more to her than meets the eye.

[Spoon AZ]

I've been trying to figure out what the main storyline of the series was going to be and i have a theory. It might have been posted here but I couldn't tell. It's too big.

JJ Abram's series' are known for starting at one idea and becoming much more broad. Like Alias and the Rimbaldi storyline.

Well I think the main story arc revealed itself one episode ago. Claire's baby.

The show isn't about shipwrecked people trying to survive. It's about Claire's baby and it's future.

JJ. Abrams was heavily into writing his draft of Superman when he was developing Lost.

My guess is this child could save or destroy the world depending on how it's raised. Much like the psychics vision seemed to imply.

Whatever the case, the baby is EXTREMELY important for some reason. And they waited to establish the characters first, make us care for them, before starting to unroll the main plot.

[thomasw]

That's a intersting idea Spoon. That would even allow them to evolve the show beyond the "stuck on an island" theme if they run out of ideas for that. They could go back to the real world and the show could still continue if the central point is Claire's baby rather than the island. Or it could even stay on the island but change thematically.

Ooh, what if there was a greater force behind everything and all the people who miraculously survived the plane crash (as Sayed pointed out, they all should have died) survived because of Claire's baby? Perhaps they were all on her plane in order to survive and to be there to care for her and the baby. Locke and Sayed to protect them, Jack for medical needs, Charlie for a friend and surrogate father, etc.

[biym6969]

Originally posted by thomasw
That's a intersting idea Spoon. That would even allow them to evolve the show beyond the "stuck on an island" theme if they run out of ideas for that. They could go back to the real world and the show could still continue if the central point is Claire's baby rather than the island. Or it could even stay on the island but change thematically.

Ooh, what if there was a greater force behind everything and all the people who miraculously survived the plane crash (as Sayed pointed out, they all should have died) survived because of Claire's baby? Perhaps they were all on her plane in order to survive and to be there to care for her and the baby. Locke and Sayed to protect them, Jack for medical needs, Charlie for a friend and surrogate father, etc.

great points about the characters around claire's baby. However, leaving the island and finding themselves home would take away the theme of the entire show, "lost." that's like taking the show smallville to metropolis. i think they will stay on the island for as long as the show is on the air. Possibly after several seasons the producers might get this baby all grown up and raised properly, then they'll make their way back to civilization.

[thomasw]

Yeah normally I wouldn't consider it a possibility for a show to change that drastically, but JJ has shown with Alias that he isn't afraid to do that. Alias changed from a story about a double agent balancing her three lives (CIA, SD6, clueless friends) into a story about a regular CIA agent wrapped up in the Rimbaldi prophecies (the double aspect and the regular life/clueless friends aspects were dropped).

It's interesting being so in the dark about the very direction of the show, and obviously generates a lot of discussion and wondering. It differs drastically from most TV.

[biym6969]

Originally posted by thomasw
Yeah normally I wouldn't consider it a possibility for a show to change that drastically, but JJ has shown with Alias that he isn't afraid to do that. Alias changed from a story about a double agent balancing her three lives (CIA, SD6, clueless friends) into a story about a regular CIA agent wrapped up in the Rimbaldi prophecies (the double aspect and the regular life/clueless friends aspects were dropped).

It's interesting being so in the dark about the very direction of the show, and obviously generates a lot of discussion and wondering. It differs drastically from most TV.

yeah, but wasn't that cuz of poor rates and a confusing storyline that not many people understood, which lead to the drastic change in the first place???

[Spoon AZ]

I just read this over at Kristin's Chat transcript over at Eonline.

Go check it out, but it says in so many words that a shocking spoiler that was suggested in the previous chat that she (Kristen) had said was false was actually TRUE!

So going back and looking at the previous chat the only logically spoiler that she could be refering to is :

That Shannon and Boone, who are brother and sister, are also.......LOVERS! That's right. They're incestous.

That is unbelievable if it comes to pass. Yikes!!

[smallville_girlie]

:eek: :eek: :eek:

I hope that is not true!

[thomasw]

:eek: indeed!

That does seem like a really weird direction for the show, I hope there's some sort of misunderstanding.

[biym6969]

hmmm, that's interesting with the amount of arguing that they get into this senario can go both ways, brother and sister who don't like each other or a couple bickering back and forth. all i can say is :eek: :eek: :eek:

do you guys think that jack imagined the fight between him and ethan????

i don't think it was his imagination...

he had a dislocated shoulder that would hinder anyone from fighting, so that's why i think he lost that fight so easily. ethan looked like he wasn't even draggin bodies. it seems like he wasn't as exhausted as jack. lastly, jack was bleeding on his nose and other area's of his face...he wasn't bleeding like that when ethan was stepping on his chest.

[nexgod]

aww man, i had to highlight that :(

[Aslan]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
I just read this over at Kristin's Chat transcript over at Eonline.

Go check it out, but it says in so many words that a shocking spoiler that was suggested in the previous chat that she (Kristen) had said was false was actually TRUE!

So going back and looking at the previous chat the only logically spoiler that she could be refering to is :

That Shannon and Boone, who are brother and sister, are also.......LOVERS! That's right. They're incestous.

That is unbelievable if it comes to pass. Yikes!!

ewwww!
I hope that is not true!

Shannon is one unvelievable hottie though.......but not for her bro! Yuck!


Originally posted by biym6969
hmmm, that's interesting with the amount of arguing that they get into this senario can go both ways, brother and sister who don't like each other or a couple bickering back and forth. all i can say is :eek: :eek: :eek:

do you guys think that jack imagined the fight between him and ethan????

i don't think it was his imagination...

he had a dislocated shoulder that would hinder anyone from fighting, so that's why i think he lost that fight so easily. ethan looked like he wasn't even draggin bodies. it seems like he wasn't as exhausted as jack. lastly, jack was bleeding on his nose and other area's of his face...he wasn't bleeding like that when ethan was stepping on his chest.

I don't think Jack imagined the whole thing.

I think the fight was real, and there is just more to Ethan than we can know.....yet another thing that is mysterious about the show.




Edit:
Well, I got to see last night's repeat episode. Some of it, anyway. I didn't start watching Lost until like the 3rd show or something. It really showed a lot more about "Freckles" that I had not seen. I am glad I got to see it.

I didn't see any of that with the guy that had her in the cuffs and all that situation. It was a little shady....I am wondering what is going on with that?

Was that the pilot episode?

[smallville_girlie]

That was the Pilot.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
I just read this over at Kristin's Chat transcript over at Eonline.

Go check it out, but it says in so many words that a shocking spoiler that was suggested in the previous chat that she (Kristen) had said was false was actually TRUE!

So going back and looking at the previous chat the only logically spoiler that she could be refering to is :

That Shannon and Boone, who are brother and sister, are also.......LOVERS! That's right. They're incestous.

That is unbelievable if it comes to pass. Yikes!!

well they could be brother/sister as in his mom married her dad, or the other way around. I mean they don't look like each other. Ut on T.V that doesn't really mean anything:\

[Spoon AZ]

yeah that could work. not brother and sister by blood.

that would be less vomit worthy and more interesting

[smallville_girlie]

But yet still vomit worthy

[Spoon AZ]

Originally posted by smallville_girlie
But yet still vomit worthy

indeed :D

[Aslan]

yeah, that is still not all that ideal of a situation either. ha ha

[nexgod]

They seem to be really close though :X

[smallville_girlie]

I really hope that that doesn't happen, GROSS!

[Spoon AZ]

yeah I don't know if any of you watch Veronica Mars but they are hinting towards doing that same thing with some of the main characters. the whole brother/sister accidental romance thing.

ick.

[smallville_girlie]

Accidental??? How is that Accidental???!!!

[Spoon AZ]

Well "Lost" 's wouldn't be but Veronica's is.

It's a long story. But it's something like this Veronica and her ex-boyfriends parents went to high school together. She found out her boyfriends dad and her mom were an item. And her ex-b mysteriously broke off their relationship for no reason. So it's possible they are unknowing brother and sister. it's not confirmed yet though

there's more to it than that but that's a little nutshelf for ya

[DarthClark]

Some people are in panic about "Lost" beating Smallville but there is no way that is ever going to happen, Superman is original and "Lost" is just some stupid realty show trying to make money.

[smallville_girlie]

What are you talking about? Lost is a great show! Have you even seen it?

Just because you watch Lost doesn't mean that you can't watch Smallville.

[Spoon AZ]

Dark Clark buddy, lay off the Green herbs, they're not Kryptonite related.

Lost WAS a reality show like a year or two ago that sucked. This LOST is a brilliantly written and acted and executed scripted show about survivors of a plane crash with elements of sci-fi thrown in.

Very much not he same show. And it is very original.

[DarthClark]

Dude all Im trying to say is that Smallville is always and will be better that "LOST".

[Spoon AZ]

I feel ya bro.

I'm Sville all the way. Just wanted to point out that it's not a good idea to come on a thread that is supportive of the show and bash it. Even if it is in competition with Sville.

And you gotta have a better argument than "it's a reality show".

[DarthClark]

LOL, Well these days Reality shows are going down hill even thought they keep makng them people arn't wanting to watch them.

[thomasw]

Lost isn't a reality show :)

[Aslan]

yeah, reality shows suck, but Lost is good.
I will always like Smallville, but there is room for another good show.

[Spoon AZ]

I recommend Veronica Mars. Good show. I just watched the whole season last week.

Unfortunately just in time for the winter hiatus.

But the rave reviews are justified. Too bad the shows a 1.7 in ratings and probably won't last

[smallville_girlie]

New Lost this week :D

[smallville_girlie]

Where are all the Lost Fan's?
*looks around*

New episode tonight :D

[Spoon AZ]

yay for a new episode! 2 solid hours tonight of Lost and Alias. Finally good new TV to watch.

It had a short break.

Dang Sville doesn't come back till the end of the month.

[angelfire east]

There's a new epsiode on tonight?!? I din't know that, I watch the show on CTV and they have said nothing about a new episode, I hope there's a new one tonight for me.

[smallville_girlie]

There should be one for you AE :D

[angelfire east]

There was I just watched it, As soon as I saw her in the bank I knew she was in on it, I just didn't think she didn't care about the money or would turn on her "boyfriend". She's sure getting close to Sawyer isn't she, I think she really missed things up for her and Jack. I don't know if he wouldn't have been as mad about her killing someone if she had told him instead of lying and trying to cut him out.

[smallville_girlie]

What happened to Locke and Boon in this eppie???? I really wanted to know what they found in the ground. Looks like we will find out next week.

What was the song that Shannon was singing at the end?

[angelfire east]

They where in it, they were going in the bush everyday early then coming back late at night. But they weren't in it as much as I'd like then to be. I want to know what they found.

[smallville_girlie]

That's what I mean. We just got a bit from Locke and Boon. Plus Boon, it's really nice to Shannon at all. In the scene that she was singing and he was behind the tree, he scared me.

[angelfire east]

She's got a nice voice. I liked the song.

[smallville_girlie]

I wonder what that song is or what she was saying meant.

[Spoon AZ]

i recognized the melody.

I think it was a french version of a song about sailing. I may be wrong. It's a well known song. All I can remember are the last line. It's "...and I'll go saiiiling."

That's just my guess. I thought the melody sounded the same.

[smallville_girlie]

She is a pretty good singer.

Did anyone see the previews for next week?

[SMLVLFAN89]

Man, i didnt know there was a new ep. Ive missed a bunch of episodes in a row, so i still have no idea whats going on anyway. :lol:

[Spoon AZ]

next week we get into boone and his sister's dark secret a bit.

And the return of the monster!! yay!!

[angelfire east]

CTV didn't show a previews this week. What did it show, just the monstered and Boone and his sister?

Boone's sister had a nice voice.

[Spoon AZ]

pretty much, and that they'll dig a little more into what that metal thing Locke and Boone found is.

oh and that Boone's sister my be eaten by the monster.

You see her running from it and a shot of just her legs being lifted into the air

[angelfire east]

Oh no I liked her and din't like her. i don't know if it time for her to leave the show yet. I want to know more about her character.

[Spoon AZ]

i doubt she'll die. they wouldn't show it in the preview if they were going to kill. it would be secret

[angelfire east]

yeah your right, they want it to be more of didn't see that coming type of thing.

[smallville_girlie]

Also Boone told Locke that he wanted to tell everyone what they found, then you see Locke hit Boone over the head and Boone on the ground.

[thomasw]

As the episode went on I was excited because it looked like we were going to get some answers, but it just left us hanging again.

We know Kate isn't entirely innocent now (but not entirely bad, she only shot her accomplice in the leg, she didn't want anyone getting hurt, and she only did it for the toy plane instead of for money), but really we're still left with the big mystery of who the plane belonged to and how she killed its owner.

Apart from that they stalled on visiting the French woman again, we saw nothing about the metal Locke and Boone found, Sayid decided the voices/ghosts her heard weren't real, and everyone except Charlie seemed pretty blase about how one of their number was recently kidnapped by an apparently enemy who wasn't on the plane with them.

The show is great, but it's starting to feel like they're stretching the plot out a bit. I hope next episode we start getting some real progress.