Saving The CW

[Austin 3:16]

Since this has been rolling around in my brain for awhile, I figured I should start a topic about it. Everyone say how you would save The CW. If u don't like the network, say what you would do. If u like it, great but tell us why and if u would do anything.

First thing I would do is bring back Michigan J. Frog! Michigan was THE quintessential mascot for The WB. Rather ironic since at one point, it was going to be Bugs Bunny! They changed that to Michigan before the network's launch because Bugs was everywhere and they wanted to give our favorite green guy a shot. Think it worked well too.

One day, it was decided that Michigan would be retired since the heads of The WB decided it was time to steer towards a larger demographic than just teens like they had catered to b4. So unfortunately, after his retirement Michigan would have only one more Froggy Evening: the final night of WB programming. The WB's Night Of Favorites and Farewells returned Michigan to life but barely. He was only in one nostalgic ad and at the end, tipping his hat in silhouette at the end of the night and the network. Between his retirement and the end of the net, that's the only time he was mentioned. Nice huh?

Ever since the launch of CW, something has been missing. The logo is already green so why not give the brand a more comfortable image? Bring back the Frog! Just from a press release saying he would be back, I think most of the fans of the old WB Network would tune in to see what would be done. So I say bring him back and have us Watch The Frog!

Step 1: Revive Michigan J. Frog as the spokesman and image of The CW!

[Sugar]

Maybe not have so many shows on there about teens having sex and drinking. And not so many dark shows. I know they just added Hart of Dixie, which is great, though I'm not a huge fan of the acting or writing.

[Austin 3:16]

That's a good idea Sugar! WB had great variety so go back to that right?

[Raistlin]

I agree about the teenybopper shows. They need to broaden their appeal and I think they are trying to do that with Hart of Dixie and Ringer. I'm not so sure about the frog mascot, but they do need to put some serious thought into a stylish logo.

[starflower69]

We don't have CW here in England, so I can't really make any valid contributions but...one thing I do know is that it's website is not available for users to watch spoilers outside of the USA which I think is a really dumb thing to do! Many people from all over the world watched Smallville and still watch Supernatural....to inhibit it's content is a sign that it doesn't really know or want to reach a wider audience....Sorry for going off-topic :lol:

[Austin 3:16]

I think also bringing back New Tuesday and Big Sunday could work too.

You didn't go off topic at all! I like your opinion and agree. The people in charge need to broaden their outlook.

[starflower69]

Maybe it's being run by dinosaurs! :lol: Who need to come and live in the modern world.

[Austin 3:16]

If Dawn O was still in charge, id say that's pretty much true lol! The new guy in charge is trying but I think its gonna take awhile to notice change.

Id also say that since CW is greenlighting Cult, maybe they should take another look @ the Aquaman series that Dawn passed on.

[starflower69]

I remember watching the pilot for Aquaman...it was all right, I would watch it....

[Austin 3:16]

Same here. That pilot got the best reviews from all fans and we were all stunned and ticked when Dawn turned it down because it wasn't a show she helped to create or something to that deal. They need a new Smallville so they should look at it again.

[Raistlin]

Maybe it's being run by dinosaurs! :lol: Who need to come and live in the modern world.

Sidebar: I tried to watch Merlin on the BBC One website and couldn't because I wasn't in England, so I think that's pretty standard. Back to saving CW.

[darkphoenix21]

Like what Brendan and I have discussed I think the CW needs a mass reconstruction which includes ending and/or canceling most of the shows currently on the schedule. Than during the summer reinventing and than promoting the network as a brand new CW. I'M sure there are plenty of scripts out there that are awaiting a network to give them a chance. But certainly the scripts need to be edgy, original and catered to everyone not just one specific demographic.

[KSiteTV]

I don't know if they could bring back the frog for reasons I said in the Cult thread - really, "bringing back the WB" would be my top choice... but here are some ideas from my perspective:

- Try to get sitcoms, but actually funny ones. They're allegedly going to try that. But a show like New Girl or something, on The CW, would have been fun. And Reba was actually one of the CW's top rated shows when they burned it off on Sundays. But the key is, for the sitcoms to not be crap.

- A better logo. A better name would be better.

- Stop trying to build hits off of past successes. I think part of the issue with The CW, is they try to mix the formula of what works instead of being bold and daring. The Secret Circle, for example, despite its cast which I do like, seems to mostly be "let's try to replicate the success of Vampire Diaries but without the charm or the good characters." Then again I'm a hypocrite... first order of business for me would be to create a Smallville-like show about either Batman or Wonder Woman.

- On that same note, though, The WB did put on some things that weren't exactly like what we'd seen before. The WB pre-Smallville, I mean. Remember that Dead Last show they showed the summer before SV premiered? I liked that random stuff.

That's where I'd get started. That Cult show is a good start, but for every Cult, there's a "Carrie Diaries"... ugh.

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I also agree that a lot of the shows are aging and need to end, but the problem is, nothing better is on to take those shows' places. And as much as I love, say, Nikita, it's not pulling the ratings it needs to. And do we really need a Top Model Cycle 32 when out of 32 "seasons" they've never actually gotten a noteworthy model?

[Austin 3:16]

Yeah definitely a great idea and I would also make Supernatural the main show. Like darkphoenix21 and I have been discussing, the main thought suggested would be to wait until the season finale of Supernatural airs and then have a network wide shutdown. That way, u have the whole summer to revamp and relaunch as a new network. During the summer, air Supernatural once a wk. During the last few wks before the relaunch, after the Supernatural eps end, have msgs that say "Coming Soon, Welcome Back home!" Yes, the WB would be capitalized for a reason in that statement.

The final wk before, air this season's finale of SPN. As soon as that ep ends, screen fades to black. White letters come up saying something like THE CW with a birthdate. That fades and is replaced by a deathdate. Then this msg appears:

All summer we have promised u a relaunch. U have earned it. Welcome Back home.

The home part and all letters fade except for WB. They get closer together and The appears before them. That fades away. The silhouette of Michigan J. Frog appears and then, he steps out and sings his familiar song! At the end he asks "Did you miss me?!?!"

He fades away and the new WB logo appears with the following afterwards:

See you next wk!

SPN season premiere promo airs and at the end it says "The new season. Next week on The New WB. Welcome Back Home."

How's that sound?

Oh and btw, I wouldn't even air CW 4 Kids during the rest period. That would return as Kids' WB!

KSiteTV I agree. We need smething like Dead Last. That was a great show that was aired during the summer. They weren't able to air all the eps either. Show that during the summer too.

Not only that but the animated shows were cool too. Stuff like Mission Hill, The Oblongs and Baby Blues were fantastic. Look how well they do on Adult Swim. Those shows were cool before their time.

[Sugar]

Yeah definitely a great idea and I would also make Supernatural the main show. Like darkphoenix21 and I have been discussing, the main thought suggested would be to wait until the season finale of Supernatural airs and then have a network wide shutdown. That way, u have the whole summer to revamp and relaunch as a new network. During the summer, air Supernatural once a wk. During the last few wks before the relaunch, after the Supernatural eps end, have msgs that say "Coming Soon, Welcome Back home!" Yes, the WB would be capitalized for a reason in that statement.

The final wk before, air this season's finale of SPN. As soon as that ep ends, screen fades to black. White letters come up saying something like THE CW with a birthdate. That fades and is replaced by a deathdate. Then this msg appears:

All summer we have promised u a relaunch. U have earned it. Welcome Back home.

The home part and all letters fade except for WB. They get closer together and The appears before them. That fades away. The silhouette of Michigan J. Frog appears and then, he steps out and sings his familiar song! At the end he asks "Did you miss me?!?!"

He fades away and the new WB logo appears with the following afterwards:

See you next wk!

SPN season premiere promo airs and at the end it says "The new season. Next week on The New WB. Welcome Back Home."

How's that sound?

Oh and btw, I wouldn't even air CW 4 Kids during the rest period. That would return as Kids' WB!

KSiteTV I agree. We need smething like Dead Last. That was a great show that was aired during the summer. They weren't able to air all the eps either. Show that during the summer too.


I disagree. Supernatural is dead. The show that is carrying that network right now is The Vampire Diaries. Why would they keep a dead show and get rid of their most popular. I realize most people don't like this, but one of the reason I like the CW is because it does create shows for a young audience. And they're the only network that creates supernatural type shows and doesn't cancel them 2 seconds after. I like that, because that's the stuff I like to watch. I don't want it to be completely dark stuff, since that gets a bit depressing after awhile. That's why I like shows like the Gilmore Girls as well. Lately the family channel has been doing better with the teen shows.

I agree with what Craig said.

[Austin 3:16]

The net definitely needs a relaunch. I wouldn't even bring it back every night at first. The first few wks only air three nights. Slowly, expand to every night but Saturday. Big Sunday is brought back with a major relaunch.

Reba was always a huge hit? I'm not surprised. The show was good! CW didn't know what they had with it.

Kids' WB! would b back in the weekday afternoons and Saturday mornings. If we have to give back the extra hr on Saturdays, fine by me. I know the ratings on weekday afternoons were always good. There was no need to pull those shows besides advertisers being irritated they couldnt, well, advertise during kids shows. They have other timeslots to do that though so at the very least they could let us have our kids shows back. That was why I used to race home everyday.

Btw, one more note on wkdy afternoon kids shows. Kids' WB! was the leader for awhile before it was sadly removed. It was the only network to outlive its parent network AND also shutdown Fox Kids. I think it deserves so much respect. That would be the major selling point for me if I was in charge.

I wholeheartedly agree on America's Next Top Model needing to be put out of it's misery. It was innovative at the beginning but now? It is tired and should be done. I've been telling my friends for yrs that that show needs to go and they agree and also wonder why it is still around. Hopefully, with the new guy in charge, and wanting to expand beyond the demo that Dawn was trying to get, it is only a matter of time. That timeslot it is always in would be better served with more shows like an Aquaman or Cult series. Tyra needs a break.

Craig I loved your nickname for Ostroff. What was it again, Dipstick Dawn Ostroff?

[KSiteTV]

I've got to agree with Sugar here... unfortunately, Supernatural being a show in Season 7 has got all the fans it probably will ever get... the Vampire Diaries is probably the lone true success on the network right now. Which isn't to say SPN's been bad... but... I think Season 8 should be when to call it a day. Probably should have ended with that perfect Season 5 finale, really. The only reason I'm sure it hasn't ended is because nothing else (except more Smallville) would have performed so well on Friday night.

I think even the die-hard fans are losing interest... I mean, look at the # of posters each season with Supernatural vs. earlier years here on the forum... even when Smallville was still on the air last year, SPN's numbers were down.

And as much as I think The WB could or should return... I doubt it ever will. I think we'd see the CW go away entirely before that would happen, since the reason this all started was because The WB couldn't afford to do it alone. (It would be great if they could buy out the CBS side, but even so, all new shows created since the CW are co-owned with CBS, so who knows what goes on there)

If I could keep only one show from The CW to move on to the future, The Vampire Diaries would be it. Though I do think Supernatural should get a Season 8 to wrap it all up. Also agree ABC Family has done teen shows way better than CW has. The Lying Game is so much better than Ringer, and ratings wise, Pretty Little Liars kills everything.

[LoveHurts38]

One ....I do not watch The CW anymore once Smallville finale went of the air I went with them the current show's do not interest me.

[starflower69]

Sidebar: I tried to watch Merlin on the BBC One website and couldn't because I wasn't in England, so I think that's pretty standard. Back to saving CW.

Can't you watch it on BBC America?

[BoyScout-ManOfTomorrow]

...first order of business for me would be to create a Smallville-like show about either Batman or Wonder Woman.

While this is a good idea business-wise I shudder thinking how the SV-approach (because I don't think The CW can do it any different) would ruin Batman and Wonder Woman. Being such huge characters I'd choose ones with less grand origins and settings etc. I mean something like Deadman might be simple enough... but then again it doesn't have that brand recognition Batman has to get ratings.

[Austin 3:16]

Craig, yeah those two shows could both come over. Sorry what I meant to say b4 was Supernatural becomes the lead show on The New WB and new shows could be built around it. Bring over The Vampire Diaries and also Hart Of Dixie since that seems most like a WB series. Here are the shows I would renew, cancel, and keep in limbo:

Renew: Supernatural, Hart Of Dixie, The Vampire Diaries

Cancel: Nikita, America's Next Top Model, Ringer, Gossip Girl, 90210

Limbo: The Secret Circle

Three shows right? Well The WB started out with about 2 or 3 nights so if u start out with the same, and air some older WB series in a Beginnings format like they did with Smallville Beginnings at first, it could give u the summer, and maybe earlier if they were told of a network relaunch, to get new shows shot. Cult and Deadman could become two of the new network's series so that's 5. Should 3 nights launch, and Secret Circle is brought over, the first few wks at least are good. 3 nights= 6 hr long dramas.

LoveHurts38, it's cool if u don't watch CW. What would u do to fix it?

Btw, I would also bring back Mission Hill and Baby Blues. Maybe also The Oblongs but only if Will Ferrell is able to return for his role like before.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

I watch Ringer, The Vampire Diaries & The Secret Circle. So I wanna so I want to continue to see those shows on The CW. :D

I would love to see a new Star Trek series on The CW...There are plenty of things they could do and with the success of the 09 movie and the next coming out in 2013(?)...it could be a good time to keep exploring. ;)

[Austin 3:16]

You're right about the release date. The next Trek will b out in 2013. Id love to see a new series. There were rumors awhile back that Greg Grunberg would b in the captain's chair since he and Abrams are friends, but nothing ever came of it.

[Raistlin]

Can't you watch it on BBC America?

Yes, but BBC America doesn't run Merlin. And I was trying to watch it on BBC One before it hit SyFy.

I agree with Craig about SPN, it should have signed off after season five, but if they didn't have anything to replace it with, I can see why it's still on. CW should have passed on The Secret Circle altogether; that show reeks. Honestly, though, I don't like the CW. I think it's a crappy network and they don't take risks. They use the same formula repeatedly; after a while I would think even teen audiences would be bored.

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While this is a good idea business-wise I shudder thinking how the SV-approach (because I don't think The CW can do it any different) would ruin Batman and Wonder Woman. Being such huge characters I'd choose ones with less grand origins and settings etc. I mean something like Deadman might be simple enough... but then again it doesn't have that brand recognition Batman has to get ratings.

Agree with this.

[Austin 3:16]

Keep in mind, the shows that premiered last fall were ones Ostroff greenlit. This coming fall will be some of the first ones under the new Pedowitz regime. Change is coming but we won't be able to sense it until later this yr.

Yeah I agree about Circle that it isn't that good. If it gets to season 2, I hope it will get better. I know a lot of people who felt Buffy didn't get really good until season 2. Same thing could happen with Secret Circle.

Btw, I like Buffy season 1 and think 3 was the best season, though I like them all. :)

[LoveHurts38]

LoveHurts38, it's cool if u don't watch CW. What would u do to fix it?


To be honest I don't know....Current shows just remind me of things I have already watched for example:

Ringer= A spanish novela La Usurpadora
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gqz_R_apqHg .....

It aired in 1998:

Paola and Paulina (Gabriela Spanic) are twin sisters who were separated at birth. Paulina is a good young woman who lives in poverty. Paola is the evil sister of the two who is married to a wealthy man named Carlos Daniel Bracho (Fernando Colunga). When the twins cross paths by chance, Paola blackmails Paulina to take Paola's place in the Bracho home while she takes a year-long vacation with her lover. Abandoned by her fiancé Osvaldo and following the death of her sick mother, Paulina submits to Paola's plan. Everyone were so shocked that Paola walked and her idea to be paralyzed is all a lie and her fabrication. Gema and Isabel warned Carlos Daniel that Paola is a not a so loving and sweet dove as he thought she is just a manipulative person who makes miserable to all people surround her even her sister Paulina.

The Vampire Diaries: I preferred more Moonlight but, CBS decided to cancel :(

The Secret Circle=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ff2uyr0To4Y The Craft ...High School girls who are witches ;)

Nikita....I've already seen the movie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=167URLa-On01990 foreign.

I guess I am the type that's really hard to please ;)

[Raistlin]

This coming fall will be some of the first ones under the new Pedowitz regime. Change is coming but we won't be able to sense it until later this yr.

Can't comment on the change or its effectiveness until we start seeing the promotion of their new shows (if any).


Btw, I like Buffy season 1 and think 3 was the best season, though I like them all. :)

I'm not one of those people. I liked Buffy right out of the gate. Buffy's core cast was engaging immediately. I threw the towel in on TSC after 2 episodes.


Nikita....I've already seen the movie http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=167URLa-On0 1990 foreign.

A rehash of a rehash. Nikita is not Robin Hood or Batman or Superman. We don't need another reincarnation every 4-5 years. And the CW's rehash isn't that good.

[Austin 3:16]

Yeah I agree about Nikita. If the wait had been longer, great. It wasn't long enough of a wait though and I would rather have seen Hellcats return. That show may have dropped in the ratings but I know ratings were going back up. Plus, I wanted to see how they remedied the cliffhanger. Of course, not to mention, Tom Welling was involved!

I really think we will see Cult signal a change towards the glory days and nostalgia of The WB.

What was chosen instead of Aquaman when CW launched? I know Everwood lost out because 7th Heaven was felt to be a stronger show to lead the way but what got Aquaman's slot? Aquaman was a surefire pickup for The WB but got tossed when the network ended is that right?

LoveHurts38, don't worry, I'm the same way sometimes. I was utterly prepared to not like Angel back in the day because I didn't want them to take the character off of Buffy. Instead, I ended up loving the show more than Buffy at certain points. Thank u for your feedback on the topic btw.

[Austin 3:16]

Green Arrow coming? Could be! Look in the TV and Movies section under Other TV Shows for the Green Arrow tv series thread.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

Green Arrow could be awesome and I hope it happens. :)

[Austin 3:16]

Same here.

I would also try to save The CW by making it more friends. Bring the backlot back from before and let the stars actually have fun. When I always saw the backlot on The WB, it made me want to watch more of the network because the people looked happy.

[bigvillir001]

Austin 3:16 (http://www.ksitetv.com/forums/member.php?9665-Austin-3-16)I dig the screename anyway I agree with you and Craig the C W doesn’t have thatmuch going for these days except for the vampire diaries. I also agree with LoveHurt ....I do not watch The CW anymore onceSmallville finale went off the air. To meit seems that television today is all about teen drama re makes look at charlie’s angels remake and that crashedand burned and wonder woman that never really got off the ground but then againit was a remake and that’s all that television seems to do these days areremakes hospital dramas crime dramas reality TV and so forth.

Now don’tget me wrong revamping a show to fit a generation is completely understandablethat’s what smallville did 10 years ago the telling and superman in the earlybeginning and that’s why it lasted so long because it had a history behind itclose to 80 years and was able to tell stories in different ways but alwaysstick with that original guideline that makes characters so believable.

People want interesting stories to be told andtoday’s television has lost that is not the same as it was when we were kidsgrowing up in the seventies or eighties and things were fresh and new todaytelevision just doesn’t have that spark anymore to much of the same stuff crimedrama a lawyer type drama hospital drama these have histories facts behind themgranted yet at the same time they’re more of the same and can only go so farwith the confines of realism.
Now the C.W. is introducing a green arrow series which I can only say to this it’sgreat, because once again it has its own history to back it up Comic books havea much wider spectrum to pull from not just reality but multiple realities anduniversities to stretch characters in many directions this is why the Green Arrowseries will be a great fit for the CW much like smallville was just in adifferent way.

Therefore hypothetically speaking if the WBwere to come back it should focus on comic book/science fiction television andgrant and I know they have a SCI Fi channel but there should also be a channel forcomic book programming and other types of fiction.
Also comic book fans SCI Fi fans should alsobe allowed to write suggestions or ideas a creative challenge of shows theywould like to see.

[Austin 3:16]

I agree with everything u just said and I like your name too bigvillir001.

After watching Supernatural, I have been watching Smallville rewatch and realized how much I miss watching the series on Friday nights. It is still kind of hard to accept the show is over. Maybe once stuff like GA, Cult and Deadman start, hopefully, then that will help.

I miss SV and hope CW's new shows coming up will help heal the network.

I would really love a new logo and more of a feeling like what The WB had. By that I mean more warm, open and like a family u know? The WB never talked down to the fans like Ostroff did when she ran the station.

Mark Pedowitz is doing a great job apologizing to the fans that were neglected when shows like Reaper, SmackDown, Smallville and Supernatural were neglected. He's got my backing and I respect what he's trying to do. He wants to give fans more variety ala The WB. Now there are rumors he wants to bring more comedies into the mix? Not a bad idea.

Ostroff kind of seemed like she was stingy with the budgets when it came to SV and SPN. I really believe Mark Pedowitz wants to expand on good programming. Him being interested in shows like Cult, Deadman and (Green) Arrow makes me have faith in the channel again.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

CW needs to get hold of properties people care about and do them JUSTICE! ;) Green Arrow & Deadman are a start...as I said before Star Trek is prime for a series now...but the network needs to be diverse and not focus on just one demo that really doesn't exist. :rolleyes: Doing a night of reality is ok, a night of comedy...doing high concept action series and sci fi/fantasy. I really wish they would get back into doing a wrestling show...if not WWE than getting up with Sinclair and doing ROH or Chikara Pro is interesting. :)

[edit] Even though CW has TSC(about witches) I'd like to see a new take on Sabrina The Teenage Witch. :D

[jon-el87]

first order of business for me would be to create a Smallville-like show about either Batman or Wonder Woman.

Wouldn't work. Outside of SV, prequel-shows don't last that long and the stories they tell aren't often that interesting. And the end result wouldn't be very impressive: You could end up with shows that stalls their progress (to make the show run longer), have them meet future villains in their youth and make all kinds of major changes. Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are the three big DC icons, which creates problem when you're trying to adapt them. Paul Levitz adressed this subject, in a recent Newsarama interview regarding Huntress and Power Girl:

And the neat thing, when you're playing that not with Superman and Batman but Huntress and Power Girl, is that they're freer characters, in some ways, than the iconic characters. You can develop more nuances. They stand on their own a little bit more. And you can hopefully make that a more interesting journey, since they don't have to support eight titles each. So you have the room to tell their story.

With a lot of less known characters, there are these big gaps in the story of their lives. Take Power Girl for example. DC have never established what happened in between her landing on Earth and her first appearance, in All-Star Comics #58. Why did she put on a costume and decide to fight crime? While she's got a solid foundation: supporting cast and villains. Along with an interesting story, of her coming to Earth and ends up becoming the founder and CEO of a Fortune 500 corporation, through hard (the standard rich woman, in movies and television, either inherited money from her parents or married into money). She was also one of Oracle's first agents (which ended in disaster), a JLI member, the first new member of the JSA and their first female chairperson. She's also had a large variety of costumes, so one could do a lot of prototype costumes. And unlike a lot of other superheroes, she's never had one THE romantic interest, which I think would interest romance interested folk. During Smallville's run, there were a lot of threads about "who should be Clark's one true love", etc., the point of which can be questioned, when it well-established since decades back, that it's Lois. Power Girl's had relationships with several guys: Andrew Vinson, Hal Jordan, Michael Holt, etc., a writing team on a TV series could have her end up with anyone of those guys (or someone else).

I could see Power Girl working as a TV series. Exploring her journey in life, her becoming CEO of Starrware. Her befriending Helena Wayne and Barbara Gordon, which leads to the creation of the BoP (which ends in disaster), P.G. becoming recruited to the JLI (storyline revolving around this and her departure from the group). A storyline revolving around Karen encountering old JSA members, whom she gets out of retirement, becomes a part-time member of the new team (and, when the show comes to and end, becomes the leader of the group). You could even explore Krypton from a unique angle: when it comes to Supes, you're dealing with someone learning about their origin; When it comes to Supergirl and other aliens that actually grew up on their home planet, you're dealing with someone remembering the planet; Power Girl on the other hand, was placed inside of a spaceship as an infant and raised in a Virtual Reality, created by her parents (the question is... How accurate was it?). So, there you can have P.G. "remember" a utopian Krypton, which (as the show progresses) is later revealed to be a lie constructed by her parents.
They could also bring back some old DC characters, like the Kryptonian criminals U-Ban, Mala and Kizo, Dr. Chaos (do they still have the prop helmet for Dr. Fate? In that case, all they'd need to do is color it blue) and Atoman to flesh out her rogues gallery further. But, also Halk Kar (as another possible romantic interest... One whom she could actually reproduce with, to create new Kryptonians) and (the robotic) Powerman.

[Austin 3:16]

Power Girl sounds like a great show, especially if given a good budget.

I wouldn't mind reality shows. I loved Beauty and The Geek. When done right, they work.

Does anyone else think it's time to retire America's Next Top Model or am I the only one?

Sabrina The Teenage Witch is ripe for a reboot. It has been awhile since the show ended and they were going to do a movie with Sarah Michelle Gellar but it never got off the ground.

Back when CW began, there were people who suggested bringing Ohio Valley Wrestling over and making it a new wrestling show, saying it could be WWE's new show like ECW. I wouldn't mind seeing Florida Championship Wrestling on the net. Definitely would love to see wrestling on CW. ROH or Chikara Pro would be cool too.

[bigvillir001]

CW needs to get hold of properties people care about and do them JUSTICE! ;) Green Arrow & Deadman are a start...as I said before Star Trek is prime for a series now...but the network needs to be diverse and not focus on just one demo that really doesn't exist. :rolleyes: Doing a night of reality is ok, a night of comedy...doing high concept action series and sci fi/fantasy. I really wish they would get back into doing a wrestling show...if not WWE than getting up with Sinclair and doing ROH or Chikara Pro is interesting. :)

[edit] Even though CW has TSC(about witches) I'd like to see a new take on Sabrina The Teenage Witch. :D


I agree with everything u just said and I like your name too bigvillir001.

After watching Supernatural, I have been watching Smallville rewatch and realized how much I miss watching the series on Friday nights. It is still kind of hard to accept the show is over. Maybe once stuff like GA, Cult and Deadman start, hopefully, then that will help.

I miss SV and hope CW's new shows coming up will help heal the network.

I would really love a new logo and more of a feeling like what The WB had. By that I mean more warm, open and like a family u know? The WB never talked down to the fans like Ostroff did when she ran the station.

Mark Pedowitz is doing a great job apologizing to the fans that were neglected when shows like Reaper, SmackDown, Smallville and Supernatural were neglected. He's got my backing and I respect what he's trying to do. He wants to give fans more variety ala The WB. Now there are rumors he wants to bring more comedies into the mix? Not a bad idea.

Ostroff kind of seemed like she was stingy with the budgets when it came to SV and SPN. I really believe Mark Pedowitz wants to expand on good programming. Him being interested in shows like Cult, Deadman and (Green) Arrow makes me have faith in the channel again.


Wouldn't work. Outside of SV, prequel-shows don't last that long and the stories they tell aren't often that interesting. And the end result wouldn't be very impressive: You could end up with shows that stalls their progress (to make the show run longer), have them meet future villains in their youth and make all kinds of major changes. Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman are the three big DC icons, which creates problem when you're trying to adapt them. Paul Levitz adressed this subject, in a recent Newsarama interview regarding Huntress and Power Girl:

And the neat thing, when you're playing that not with Superman and Batman but Huntress and Power Girl, is that they're freer characters, in some ways, than the iconic characters. You can develop more nuances. They stand on their own a little bit more. And you can hopefully make that a more interesting journey, since they don't have to support eight titles each. So you have the room to tell their story.

With a lot of less known characters, there are these big gaps in the story of their lives. Take Power Girl for example. DC have never established what happened in between her landing on Earth and her first appearance, in All-Star Comics #58. Why did she put on a costume and decide to fight crime? While she's got a solid foundation: supporting cast and villains. Along with an interesting story, of her coming to Earth and ends up becoming the founder and CEO of a Fortune 500 corporation, through hard (the standard rich woman, in movies and television, either inherited money from her parents or married into money). She was also one of Oracle's first agents (which ended in disaster), a JLI member, the first new member of the JSA and their first female chairperson. She's also had a large variety of costumes, so one could do a lot of prototype costumes. And unlike a lot of other superheroes, she's never had one THE romantic interest, which I think would interest romance interested folk. During Smallville's run, there were a lot of threads about "who should be Clark's one true love", etc., the point of which can be questioned, when it well-established since decades back, that it's Lois. Power Girl's had relationships with several guys: Andrew Vinson, Hal Jordan, Michael Holt, etc., a writing team on a TV series could have her end up with anyone of those guys (or someone else).

I could see Power Girl working as a TV series. Exploring her journey in life, her becoming CEO of Starrware. Her befriending Helena Wayne and Barbara Gordon, which leads to the creation of the BoP (which ends in disaster), P.G. becoming recruited to the JLI (storyline revolving around this and her departure from the group). A storyline revolving around Karen encountering old JSA members, whom she gets out of retirement, becomes a part-time member of the new team (and, when the show comes to and end, becomes the leader of the group). You could even explore Krypton from a unique angle: when it comes to Supes, you're dealing with someone learning about their origin; When it comes to Supergirl and other aliens that actually grew up on their home planet, you're dealing with someone remembering the planet; Power Girl on the other hand, was placed inside of a spaceship as an infant and raised in a Virtual Reality, created by her parents (the question is... How accurate was it?). So, there you can have P.G. "remember" a utopian Krypton, which (as the show progresses) is later revealed to be a lie constructed by her parents.
They could also bring back some old DC characters, like the Kryptonian criminals U-Ban, Mala and Kizo, Dr. Chaos (do they still have the prop helmet for Dr. Fate? In that case, all they'd need to do is color it blue) and Atoman to flesh out her rogues gallery further. But, also Halk Kar (as another possible romantic interest... One whom she could actually reproduce with, to create new Kryptonians) and (the robotic) Powerman.

the CW new mission should fit all kinds of demos Comics/scifi comedy family ect

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

Not saying it would work...but this is how I would do it if I was The CW...

MON: 8PM Competition Or Game Show 9PM Reality Show
TUE: 8PM Comedy Geared toward adults(think FRIENDS) 8:30PM Comedy geared toward adults(think SEINFELD) 9PM Action series(think 24 or Prison Break)
WED: 8PM Sci Fi Fantasy Series(like New Star Trek series) 9PM Family Drama(think Everwood)
THU: 8PM Sci Fi Fantasy Series(TVD could stay here) 9PM Sci Fi/Fantasy Series(much darker...TSC really should be an 8PM show)
FRI: 8PM Family Comedy 8:30PM Family Comedy 9PM Sci Fi/Fantasy Series(I would do an updated Sabrina here as a hour long Dramedy ;) )
SAT: 8PM New Wrestling Show, 2 hours.
SUN: 7PM Drama Series 8PM Here I would do a live music series event for 2 hours.

Fridays I would attempt a TGIF like ABC did in the 90's which was great...I would add programming to Saturday & Sunday. :)

[Austin 3:16]

I just realized something. If Supernatural was to move to a new version of The WB, it would be one of only two shows to have been on three different networks for its entire first run batch of eps. The other show: WWE Smackdown!

[LoveHurts38]

LoveHurts38, don't worry, I'm the same way sometimes. I was utterly prepared to not like Angel back in the day because I didn't want them to take the character off of Buffy. Instead, I ended up loving the show more than Buffy at certain points. Thank u for your feedback on the topic btw.

Buffy seen it the movie ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuL7oJA66XI

[Austin 3:16]

That's one reason I loved The WB. They took chances on shows like Buffy, Smallville, Supernatural, etc. Ostroff's CW didn't want to take chances. It seemed like they were obsessed more with making money than trying to make fans happy. There is a way to do both. Shows like the ones I mentioned above prove that.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

Yeah...Ostroff :\

There is alot that the NEW CW could take chances on and the have some good things in the pipeline now. CW needs to get hold of a popular property that has a large built in fan-base and develop a series. Star Trek would be great but CBS would have to get a fire under them to get it going...some people have proposed ideas but they don't seem to be interested but as I said up thread I think the time is now for a new Trek series and I know I am repeating myself but instead of doing something brand new...doing a re-boot of The Next Generation(My favorite) would be good. It would be nice if JJ could get behind that. ;)

[edit] Also a new series would suffer from Brand fatigue like VOY & ENT did...I like both but there were alot of ongoing problems and like the 09 movie...having someone different(not Berman/Braga) working on the series would probably help. :)

[Austin 3:16]

Enterprise had problems because it was a prequel and fans weren't allowed to submit ideas. Ever since TNG, the fans were allowed to help with their favorite franchise somehow. Enterprise wasn't like that. I think since fans have a better knowledge of the series than even people behind the scenes sometimes, it was considered a real slap in the face. Fans are told "You can't contribute but watch anyway and like it"? Yeah that doesn't sit too well.

I think what also hurt Enterprise was that there was another prequel series that wasn't afraid to take chances on at the same time called Smallville.

[BoyScout-ManOfTomorrow]

I don't know, reboots of older tv-series are usually bad and kinda miss the point of the original given they were the products of that time. Now I'm not saying there shouldn't be a new Star Trek series but hopefully not a repeat of TNG.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

I have no problem with an new original Trek series. :)

The CW still needs a popular property that has a built in fan base to build a series off of...between CBS & WB there has to be something that they can take advantage of. ;) Question is what??? Don't know if what they are looking into right now is enough. :\

[super_j_man]

I don't watch anything on the CW since Smallville went off the air. I might give Green Arrow a try but for some reason I have doubts about that show.

Not too long ago, they were looking into doing a Dick Grayson/Robin show. Too bad that idea went to the dump because I think a Nightwing show would be awesome.

[bigvillir001]

Enterprise had problems because it was a prequel and fans weren't allowed to submit ideas. Ever since TNG, the fans were allowed to help with their favorite franchise somehow. Enterprise wasn't like that. I think since fans have a better knowledge of the series than even people behind the scenes sometimes, it was considered a real slap in the face. Fans are told "You can't contribute but watch anyway and like it"? Yeah that doesn't sit too well.

I think what also hurt Enterprise was that there was another prequel series that wasn't afraid to take chances on at the same time called Smallville.


I have no problem with an new original Trek series. :)

The CW still needs a popular property that has a built in fan base to build a series off of...between CBS & WB there has to be something that they can take advantage of. ;) Question is what??? Don't know if what they are looking into right now is enough. :\

I agree 1,000,000% allowing fans to include creative ideas into fiction based shows like TNG smallville and others it allows for more creative entertainment.

[Austin 3:16]

I'm sorry but does anyone else think The Carrie Diaries isn't going to last? I get it is based on the novels but the only one involved is Carrie right? Sex And The City worked well cause of the group dynamic.

[BoyScout-ManOfTomorrow]

I agree 1,000,000% allowing fans to include creative ideas into fiction based shows like TNG smallville and others it allows for more creative entertainment.

Fans had creative input on Smallville? Well no wonder it was so pandering to ships...

[bigvillir001]

Fans had creative input on Smallville? Well no wonder it was so pandering to ships...

I understand that what i mean is that when fans are include it make it more entertaining, instead of saying they'll watch what we want not what you would like. this why science fiction dramas resonate better with fans, it just allows for more creativity instead of the same old rinse and repeat entertainment that we have on television today reality TV crime drama hospital drama lawyer dramas which are fine but as I said in previous posts they don't allow for true creative freedom.

[Austin 3:16]

Definitely cannot wait to see some of the great shows that will be picked up for The New CW. I like 2 of the ones announced so far. I mean I like the ideas, esp Arrow and Cult. Hope Deadman gets picked up and I think that good shows are going to revitalize the network. I don't think The Carrie Diaries will last long, but stranger things have happened.

[Raistlin]

I'm sorry but does anyone else think The Carrie Diaries isn't going to last? I get it is based on the novels but the only one involved is Carrie right? Sex And The City worked well cause of the group dynamic.

Carrie was my LEAST favorite character on SATC.

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Fans had creative input on Smallville? Well no wonder it was so pandering to ships...

I'm a fan...of a lot of shows, but I don't think having fan input is a good thing. IMO, it's one way to kill a show.

[Austin 3:16]

Yeah the group dynamic won't be there and neither will Sarah Jessica Parker. Don't see it lasting very long. Not only that but with 8 pilots being ordered, unless it is a hit right out of the gate and keeps ratings up, Carrie will be the first new show CW cans.

I do have to say that no offense to fans of Sex And The City, but the last movie didn't do as well as the first. I get wanting to cash in and all, but is there any money to be made with the franchise right now? Especially w/o the other girls there?

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

Carrie Diaries. :rolleyes: Hope they pass on it...CW needs to move away from this kinda junk. ;)

[Austin 3:16]

I have a feeling Carrie Diaries may turn out like Gossip Girl spinoff where a pilot is ordered but not picked up. Besides, Mark P sounds serious about going back to something more like The WB. U can have good dramas like Felicity and Dawson's Creek while also having Buffy and Angel. Carrie I don't think is part of that balance though. We only know 4 pilots, 5 if Deadman gets a pickup. I wouldn't be surprised if something like Carrie becomes a tv movie or direct-to-DVD release instead of series.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

Another thing is...I know networks like reality TV cause it is cheap...but it simply doesn't work on a network like The CW...ANTM isn't near were it was at it's height. Focus on some comedies, dramas and sci fi/fantasy...no more reality shows! :p

[Austin 3:16]

There were only two reality shows I liked on The WB: Beauty and The Geek and The Jamie Kennedy Experiment. JKX! Lol that was a funny show. Those were the only two I watched really.

I agree, America's Next Top Model needs to end. Tyra's has worn out its welcome. The only model I can remember them finding that was relevant was season 1's Adrienne. That was because she went on The Surreal Life and found her husband, Christopher Knight. Well they were married for awhile and had some reality shows.

Oh yeah The Surreal Life! That was a good show too. Wish The WB had kept it instead of giving it to VH1.

[Austin 3:16]

I'm watching Blue Collar Comedy Tour: One For The Road and hoping CW brings a show like Blue Collar TV on. That was a good show and Jeff Foxworthy said on a documentary about the Blue Collar success that the show ended because everyone was busy and it was time to end it.

U know, that might have been part of it, but that's not the whole story. The story I heard was that Dawn Ostroff said it wasn't right for The CW and would've somehow brought the image down. Guess she never read the article in TV Guide where they called it a great show and said it revitalized Jeff Foxworthy's career. I'm sorry but if there is proof of how shortminded she was, there u go!

[Clois/is/hot]

I'm not interested in the Carrie Diaries and I use to watch Sex in City. I agree that the show was succesful because of the group dynamic.

The retool of the Linda Hamilton/Ron Pearlman Beauty and Beast show might work because that show only got cxl early because LH left early and writers had trouble continuing without her (If I remember correctly). So there probably more story to tell.

The CW also ordered quirky medical dramady First Cut http://www.tvline.com/2012/01/the-cw-pilot-last-cut/. Not really interested in another medical show for me.


Since we are suggesting on new shows. I would like to see an update version of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoF0a32DhLw&feature=related Buck Rogers in 25 Century... make it a bit darker & less cheese.

A man (Rogers) wakes up 500yrs in futures and tries to adjust... would makes a good story.
The will they or won't they couple (Rogers & Wilma) complete with fun banter. Think simlar to the couple on Castle.
There's even a love triangle (Roger/Wilma/Ardala). CW loves that:lol:.
And of course Scifi FX & Action. Think updated version of The Star Trek shows or a better example the updated version of Syfy's BSG.

[jon-el87]

And do we really need a Top Model Cycle 32 when out of 32 "seasons" they've never actually gotten a noteworthy model?

Based on what I've heard, nobody wants to work with the shows past contenstents, as they've made fools out of themselves on TV.

[Austin 3:16]

The best thing to do with Model? Cancel it.

[Raistlin]

I'm not interested in the Carrie Diaries and I use to watch Sex in City. I agree that the show was succesful because of the group dynamic.

Ditto. Carrie was my least favorite character anyway.


The retool of the Linda Hamilton/Ron Pearlman Beauty and Beast show might work because that show only got cxl early because LH left early and writers had trouble continuing without her (If I remember correctly). So there probably more story to tell.

I loved that show and with today's special effects they could do a fantastic job with it, although, Ron Perlman's makeup as Vincent was top notch. I would definitely watch a remake of BATB. I also think the show boxed itself in. CBS was only going to go so far with a romance where the leading man wasn't transforming into Joe Average.

[Austin 3:16]

Oh just had a thought! CW should also debut the new animated DC Universe direct-to-DVD movies on Saturday nights every once in awhile. Think about it. Cartoons for kids in the morning and cartoons for older kids later at night. They have a couple of these movies already released anyway so one a month right now would be a cool event every month of the yr. Would anyone else like to see that happen?

[Raistlin]

Another thing is...I know networks like reality TV cause it is cheap...

True story. I really can't stand reality shows. IMO, they are not entertainment, just poorly scripted crap pushing people I don't want to see or know (like Snooki) on TV viewers who are apparently becoming less and less discriminating about what they'll watch.

[Austin 3:16]

I think the best reality show is Cops. I wouldn't mind seeing a show like that on The CW.

[Austin 3:16]

There is a band called Fun that does a song titled We Are Young. I don't know if anyone has heard the song but I think most of it would make a great new theme for The New CW. Remember they used to have a campaign using Oh What A Night? The tagline was "The Night Is Young And So Are We" or something to that effect.

If Mark is serious about going back to the roots of The WB, I think the song is a great way to capitalize on that. The TV To Talk About campaign is ok but I think it reminds people too much of the Ostroff Era.

We Are Young. The New CW. Has a nice ring to it. :) Even better if a certain froggy mascot was allowed to return.

[bigvillir001]

Oh just had a thought! CW should also debut the new animated DC Universe direct-to-DVD movies on Saturday nights every once in awhile. Think about it. Cartoons for kids in the morning and cartoons for older kids later at night. They have a couple of these movies already released anyway so one a month right now would be a cool event every month of the yr. Would anyone else like to see that happen?


There is a band called Fun that does a song titled We Are Young. I don't know if anyone has heard the song but I think most of it would make a great new theme for The New CW. Remember they used to have a campaign using Oh What A Night? The tagline was "The Night Is Young And So Are We" or something to that effect.

If Mark is serious about going back to the roots of The WB, I think the song is a great way to capitalize on that. The TV To Talk About campaign is ok but I think it reminds people too much of the Ostroff Era.

We Are Young. The New CW. Has a nice ring to it. :) Even better if a certain froggy mascot was allowed to return.

totally agree it woould be cool

[Austin 3:16]

Ty. I'm always trying to think of ways for CW to improve themselves. I think a lot of people r wanting CW to improve u know?

[KSiteTV]

I think a big factor for The WB, which I don't think The CW will ever have, is they had the best Saturday morning cartoons. Those kids watching the cartoons grew up and became teenagers and watched The WB's primetime. It was a great marketing plan. But I think The WB didn't know what to do when those teens were no longer teens... and getting rid of the Frog was not the answer.

I think Top Model should go away too, but for whatever reason they want to stay in business with Tyra. Maybe they'll surprise us. I'm assuming it'll be back.

What I think they "should" do isn't so much what I want them to do. I really like Nikita, but I don't think it'll be back. I also hate Gossip Girl but I expect it to have a sixth, final season while the actors are still contracted.

Here's my dream schedule, again, I know some of these shows aren't that great, but they're predictions just the same:

Monday
8:00 Gossip Girl - final season
9:00 The Carrie Diaries - can pick up on the GG audience and ultimately replace it. I think the show sounds bad but I know it has a ready-made audience, and they're not going to give up sexed-up rich girls forever.

Tuesday
8:00 Hart of Dixie
9:00 Arrow

Basically, bringing back the same feel The WB had in 2001, with Gilmore Girls and Smallville making the network's strongest night. Tuesdays at 9PM used to be huge. This could bring that back, even though the tone of the shows is different.

Wednesday
8:00 - 90210, final season, maybe only 13 episodes
9:00 Top Model, if it must continue

90210 is really close to 100 episodes, so may as well let it get to that point. If 90210 or Top Model aren't back maybe The Secret Circle could go there. Whatever it is will be thrown under the XFactor/American Idol bus anyway.

Thursday
8:00 Vampire Diaries
9:00 Cult - this show sounds like a pulpy hit. Although, that "romance in the future" show announced yesterday might be a decent lead-out for TVD too.

Friday
8:00 Beauty and the Beast - I think it sounds horrible from the script pages I've read, but a fantasy thing might go nicely there. If not, maybe Secret Circle, even though I think TSC will die there.
9:00 Supernatural - final season

Ringer needs to go away, too.

[Austin 3:16]

I agree with everything u said man! Ringer should be gone and Dixie and Arrow could definitely bring back the spark that Gilmore and Smallville had.

I don't know why the Sat morning lineup is like it is now but if it was up to me, I would seriously consider dropping CW 4 Kids and remaking it more like Kids' WB! u know?

Definitely agree with u that getting rid of Michigan J. Frog was not the answer. Does every network have to changee at least a little? Yeah but drastic measures like what The WB did were most definitely not the way to go.

Here's another thing they screwed up on. Taking the Kids' WB! lineup off weekdays. That lineup was a true powerhouse. It would have been different had that part not fully connected. Guess what? It didn't just connected, it overachieved! Fox Kids was the big place for a long time but I think that was starting to show its age. Kids' WB! comes in and shakes all the fans hands, gives them a hug and takes over. Did the block stumble a bit at first? Yeah but they didn't give up. Series like Pokémon, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Batman, Superman, Animaniacs, Mucha Lucha, Jackie Chan Adventures and others connected in ways that most network heads could only DREAM of!

The first big mistake was removing Michigan J. Frog. The second? Removing Kids WB! from weekdays. Those two things would be the first mistakes I would apologize and repair if I was Mark.

Not only that, but I think CW should be renamed into something more friendly and recognizable. I said it before but The New WB sounds more cool than The CW. CW just reminds me of Dawn Ostroff. It is the total opposite of what The WB used to be. Whereas The WB was about risk and succeeding in the audience u looked for, CW kind of feels like no risk, stumbling and asking what happened.

WB felt more like a friendly place. We need the next regeneration of The CW to make an effort and be more like that.

I agree on getting rid of Tyra's show. Why is that show even around?!?

Hey Craig, would u be open to CW airing the kids shows one night a week if they had a stronger lineup? Would u also be open to CW airing DC Animated direct-to-dvd films one Saturday night a month or something like that?

[KSiteTV]

It's not up to me, but I would think the network would pass on any non-primetime changes. Affiliates control that stuff now, and affiliates don't like giving stuff up. As for a prime-time block of the animations... The WB tried it with Batman: The Animated Series and Pinky and the Brain and it generally did really poorly. So I'm not sure that's the answer.

They'll never go to The New WB unless CBS gets rid of their share, which probably wouldn't happen. I think it'd sooner close up shop before that, unless there were new partners. Originally, "CWB" was proposed as a name, but CBS felt even that was too WB.

[Austin 3:16]

CWB sounds like it could be a good name. I would have liked that a lot better than The CW.

Why would CBS be against the network name sounding too much like The WB? Nostalgia works extremely well and the amount of people who love The WB would've been enough to support a new network I think u know?

I remember when they used to premiere shows like Superman: The Animated Series and MiB The Series on The WB. They would do it on Friday nights. Always thought that was a pretty cool idea. Sad to hear primetime toons didn't do well. Id watch, especially if it was older stuff u know?

Why are they so stiff when it comes to weekdays? I remember reading articles where the woman who ran Fox Kids was pretty sure it was going to be taken off Saturdays and pretty much take over weekday afternoons. Wouldn't have minded that but guess it wasn't in the cards.

I really think if stuff like Fox Kids had stuck around, it would've been harder for it all to disappear on both networks. Fox Kids was REALLY good for awhile. I don't know why but after awhile, it just became kind of tired I think. Maybe it was Kids' WB! knocking on the door?

If I had my way though, I would get the weekends back and let Sat and Sun nights be devoted entirely to The WB. Id call it The WB Rewind and show programs like Smallville, Buffy, Angel, Reba, What I Like About You, 7th Heaven, Felicity, Dawson's Creek and others.

Creek and Felicity don't even air anymore in syndication unfortunately. That's letting great fruit spoil. So many people could get hooked with reruns and then end up buying the dvds. Not only that, but TNT is letting Smallville reruns go to waste. 3am or 5am, either way it is ridiculous! Bring back The WB on the weekends and let it shine again. U have tons of shows to rotate so two nights a wk would let u have plenty of time to rotate shows in and out. Plus, dvd and blu ray sales I'm sure would make up for more than enough of any revenue lost by airing shows. Not all those shows are owned by Warner but enough of them I think would b.

[KSiteTV]

Despite what The WB did on their final night, you'll never see something like that on The CW, either.

1) It's too Warner Bros.-related

and

2) The WB or even The CW don't own the rights to Buffy, Angel, Felicity, Dawson's Creek, and other things made for other studios, and they'd be rather expensive.

[Clois/is/hot]

I really like Nikita, but I don't think it'll be back..
Yeah I like Nikita too but know it is a very slim chance of it coming back:(. I hope CW give the show time notice to wrap up story lines.



Although, that "romance in the future" show announced yesterday might be a decent lead-out for TVD too..

Are you talking about this show?

"The Selection (Warner Bros. TV)
EP/W: Elizabeth Craft & Sarah Fain
Based on the forthcoming series of books by Kiera Cass, The Selection is an epic romance set 300 years in the future which centers on a poor young woman who is chosen by lottery to participate in a competition to become the next queen of a war-torn nation at a crossroads."
Description of the book it's base off of:
"For thirty-five girls, the Selection is the chance of a lifetime. The opportunity to escape the life laid out for them since birth. To be swept up in a world of glittering gowns and priceless jewels. To live in a palace and compete for the heart of gorgeous Prince Maxon.
But for America Singer, being Selected is a nightmare. It means turning her back on her secret love with Aspen, who is a caste below her. Leaving her home to enter a fierce competition for a crown she doesn't want. Living in a palace that is constantly threatened by violent rebel attacks.
Then America meets Prince Maxon. Gradually, she starts to question all the plans she's made for herself—and realizes that the life she's always dreamed of may not compare to a future she never imagined."

It does sound interesting. Like a Hunger Games with a fairytale twist.




Friday
8:00 Beauty and the Beast - I think it sounds horrible from the script pages I've read, but a fantasy thing might go nicely there. If not, maybe Secret Circle, even though I think TSC will die there.



Horrible script? That's too bad. It sounded like a good idea for a remake. Was the script too sappy?

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CWB sounds like it could be a good name. I would have liked that a lot better than The CW.

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I like the sound of CWB better too. Maybe the network needs 3 letters for it to succeed:lol: like the other networks ABC, CBS, NBC....ok maybe not like NBC. Maybe there should be another thread how to save NBC?:lol:

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I agree Top Model needs to go away.

[Austin 3:16]

That stinks that they don't own the rights. I think The WB had the best variety for quite a few yrs and wish it could have been extended.

Hmmm Saving NBC. Sounds good. I'll get on that ty for the suggestion. :)

[jsm]

One thing they probably need to change is their promos. I only watch 1 hour of the CW weekly (Supernatural), and the promos don't seem to catch the plot of the episode. People who don't watch Supernatural probably have no idea what's going on. One of objectives of a promo is to grow the audience. It's supposed to get an outside viewer to say "This show seems interesting. I might check it out sometime." Their promos don't do that.

[Degobunny]

Yeah...Ostroff :\

There is alot that the NEW CW could take chances on and the have some good things in the pipeline now. CW needs to get hold of a popular property that has a large built in fan-base and develop a series. Star Trek would be great but CBS would have to get a fire under them to get it going...some people have proposed ideas but they don't seem to be interested but as I said up thread I think the time is now for a new Trek series and I know I am repeating myself but instead of doing something brand new...doing a re-boot of The Next Generation(My favorite) would be good. It would be nice if JJ could get behind that. ;)

[edit] Also a new series would suffer from Brand fatigue like VOY & ENT did...I like both but there were alot of ongoing problems and like the 09 movie...having someone different(not Berman/Braga) working on the series would probably help. :)
Unfortunately Abbrams has been pretty direct in his view that as long as he is running the trek franchise it is not going back to TV. If they ever did do another Trek series and if it was brought to the CW though, I would put Ron Moore in charge.

[Degobunny]

If I were to recommend a show to reboot for the CW, I would suggest something along the lines of Outer Limits, Twilight Zone, or Tales from the Crypt. What the CW really needs to do is to get a show that people can watch out of order and not be completely lost. I love serialized shows but at the same time they are not as likely to grab new viewers.

[Degobunny]

That stinks that they don't own the rights. I think The WB had the best variety for quite a few yrs and wish it could have been extended.

Hmmm Saving NBC. Sounds good. I'll get on that ty for the suggestion. :)
haha...saving NBC, well they need to focus on there sitcoms, which are really the bread and butter of NBC. Also if they get someone like Ron Moore who comes to you with an awesome concept for a show like 17th Precinct, then put the show to series, Ron Moore can do no wrong.

[smallville84]

One thing they could try is splitting the seasons in halves instead of takings so many breaks. I think the CW is the worst at this. Two 11-episode runs. And try to keep all the shows all the same schedule don't have half the week in reruns and the other new episodes. They lose so many people throughout the season because they don't know when the show is on. And when get a new episode they missed a lot and give up on it.

[Austin 3:16]

Smallville84, great idea! They should definitely take a look at BBC America when they did that for the latest season of Doctor Who. Also, USA does an amazing job of doing that. They also always say "Suits will be back this summer" and other stuff like that so people have an idea of when it returns. Ty for the suggestion smallville84!

[Austin 3:16]

If CW doesn't want to bring back their kids shows to weekdays, I'd suggest teaming with Disney to bring back The Disney Afternoon. That was one of the best lineups ever! Why Disney hasn't brought that back yet on one of their own networks is beyond me.

[Degobunny]

I think the CW needs to look for quality programming. Jack and Bobby to me was an example of quality entertainment, to me that was a show that could have appealed to wide-range of audiences. Tarzan is another example of a quality programming that unfortunately did not do well, but could have had huge if it had been paired with Smallville. What made these shows good was they were not directed just at one demographic. The CW needs to look outside the teen audience if it wants to become a contender.

[Austin 3:16]

I agree entirely with that point.

I think Everwood is owned by WB. Could they replay that if they wanted?

[KSiteTV]

If CW doesn't want to bring back their kids shows to weekdays, I'd suggest teaming with Disney to bring back The Disney Afternoon. That was one of the best lineups ever! Why Disney hasn't brought that back yet on one of their own networks is beyond me.

It would never happen, for the reason you just posted above. If Disney were to ever do that, they'd do it on one of their own networks.

The Kids WB! would work better, or repurposing some Cartoon Network shows since it's the same company, but it doesn't look like either is happening any time soon.

[Clois4eva89]

The thing I believe CW needs is to bring in new shows that are centered to all demographics. Meaning both male and female audiences when Dawn was in charge the only shows we got were centered on. Female viewers which consisted of sex sells way of thinking. I remember a decade ago there use to be a hand full of shows i'd watch many of them. Would be on the WB network which would last most of the week now for the CW it's only two shows. Vampire Diaries and Supernatural with Being Human on SyFy only for a few months speaking of SyFy. Their episode promos are more appealing than anything from the CW and that's saying a lot.

[Clois/is/hot]

Based on what you heard of the pilots so far. What are the top 4 would you want picked up? [In order of importance]

Mine are:
1. Arrow
2. The Selection
3. Cult
4. Beauty & The Beast

[Degobunny]

1. Cult
2. Beauty and the Beast
3. The Selection
4. Joey Dakota
5. Arrow
6. Carrie Diaries
7. Shelter
8. First Cut

[Austin 3:16]

1. Arrow
2. Cult
3. The Selection
4. Beauty and The Beast

I agree totally about the Kids' WB! That's definitely how I would do it too. Back when the lineup was at its peak, they used to air shows like Pokemon as well as CN mainstays such as Scooby-Doo and DBZ. They aired it under the Toonami name too and it worked beautifully. Can't we get that back again?

I think I asked earlier but I'll expand on it a little. WB owns the rights to Everwood I think. It says Warner Bros on the dvd case at a store I go to and I didn't see any other logos. If they air shows like they do with Everwood, Supernatural and Smallville, theoretically could they air reruns on a retro night ala Teennick's The '90s Are All That? Also could they mix in shows like Jack and Jill if they own those rights?

[jon-el87]

I don't think a network can/should put it's faith in re-runs. Fans today usually own the DVD collection, allowing us to watch whatever episode/season we want, when we want (without commercial breaks). At the most, re-runs could attract new fans (who'd then probably just go out and buy the DVD, when they've decided if they show's good or not. And then stopped watching it on the network).

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

Unfortunately Abbrams has been pretty direct in his view that as long as he is running the trek franchise it is not going back to TV. If they ever did do another Trek series and if it was brought to the CW though, I would put Ron Moore in charge.

CBS really has the say...not Abrams...but Abrams being involved would help...there are a slew of rumors of people with potential ideas for a new Trek series...but I think since Abrams is going on the big screen...TNG re-boot would work on the small one...again it is up to CBS(Les Moonves) for a TV series since Paramount has movie rights which involves Abrams. I personally don't see Trek on CBS or Showtime.

[Degobunny]

CBS really has the say...not Abrams...but Abrams being involved would help...there are a slew of rumors of people with potential ideas for a new Trek series...but I think since Abrams is going on the big screen...TNG re-boot would work on the small one...again it is up to CBS(Les Moonves) for a TV series since Paramount has movie rights which involves Abrams. I personally don't see Trek on CBS or Showtime.
Abrams has said as long as he is in control of the franchise and making Star Trek movies there will be no new Star Trek series on TV. He is for Star Trek what Nolan is for Batman. Also the rights to Star Trek is split up between a bunch of people at the moment and it would be hard to get Star Trek back on the air at that point. Lastly Voyager was mediocre ratings wise but Enterprise was awful and drove the Star Trek franchise into the ground. I am sorry and I am saying this as a huge Star Trek fan we will not be seeing a new Star Trek TV show for a long time.

I do not see another trek show on CBS I agree. They had DS9 and could not be bothered to give it a decent time slot. If the CW was going to do a Star Trek series I do not think it would be a TNG reboot. If anything it would be a show about Starfleet academy.

[Austin 3:16]

I'd love to see a Starfleet Academy series. It was great when they showed it in the reboot movie and I would love to see more of it. There were also rumors Abrams friend Greg Grunberg was going to play a Starfleet captain in a Trek show after the movie was released but it didn't happen.

[KSiteTV]

My choices, in order of preference going on what we know so far:

1. ARROW - Duh :)
2. Joey Dakota - Craig Horner's in it, and the bits of the script I read were fun.
3. Beauty And The Beast - I want Kristin Kreuk back on my TV. The script isn't the greatest, but we can hope it gets better?
4. Cult - I was more excited about this but I haven't heard a lot of buzz lately. So it's near the middle for me now.
5. The Selection - could be very interesting
6. Carrie Diaries - At least Freema Agyeman is in it!
7. Shelter - Unless the trailer or something is really good, it doesn't sound interesting thus far.
8. First Cut - Justin Hartley, you're awesome, but medical dramas = yawn. Even if Jack Coleman is in it too.

As for what I think they'll pick up:
1. Carrie Diaries - It's a known brand, and as much as they want to get away from the girly stuff, unless this sucks, it'll be on as a Gossip Girl replacement once that show is over. Just watch.
2. Arrow - Lots of buzz
3. The Selection - Hunger Games is hot, so if it's anything like that... downside? It may be expensive.
4. Cult - Likely for midseason, plus fans of Alaric could tune in.
5. Shelter - Just to stay in the Mark Schwahn/JJ Abrams business
6. Beauty and the Beast - The meh script could kill it. But they do want a procedural, so who knows. And again, I think getting Kristin Kreuk was a very, very good idea.
7. First Cut - They want a medical show, I think? This doesn't sound too different from the pilot they passed on that Justin did with Cassidy Freeman a few years ago.
8. Joey Dakota - Unless the pilot really, really wows them.

Part of me wishes they could just pick them all up, lol.

[Degobunny]

I really think Cult is going to get picked at this point especially since Cult would only be a 13 episode season deal and apparently the CW is seriously considering giving Gossip Girl a final season 13 episode deal.

I also really hope the CW picks up Joey Dakota becuase it sounds the most unique out of the pilots.

[Austin 3:16]

If it turns out GG gets a 13 ep final season, that really would be a turning point for CW and mark a true beginning for the Mark Pedowitz era.

Anyone know what is going to take over One Tree Hill's timeslot after the series finale next wk?

[KSiteTV]

If it turns out GG gets a 13 ep final season, that really would be a turning point for CW and mark a true beginning for the Mark Pedowitz era.

Anyone know what is going to take over One Tree Hill's timeslot after the series finale next wk?

Looks like they might be doubling up on Top Model for a few weeks... ugh... that's another show that needs to be shown the door, but it's already renewed.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

Abrams has said as long as he is in control of the franchise and making Star Trek movies there will be no new Star Trek series on TV. He is for Star Trek what Nolan is for Batman. Also the rights to Star Trek is split up between a bunch of people at the moment and it would be hard to get Star Trek back on the air at that point. Lastly Voyager was mediocre ratings wise but Enterprise was awful and drove the Star Trek franchise into the ground. I am sorry and I am saying this as a huge Star Trek fan we will not be seeing a new Star Trek TV show for a long time.

I do not see another trek show on CBS I agree. They had DS9 and could not be bothered to give it a decent time slot. If the CW was going to do a Star Trek series I do not think it would be a TNG reboot. If anything it would be a show about Starfleet academy.

CBS can do a Trek series...if they want to. ;) The problem is a Star Trek series would be expensive...but JJ/Paramount has nothing to do with TV...just movies...CBS would need an intensive to do a series...either on CBS, CW or Showtime...which doesn't exist unless they just want to ride off the popularity of the movies. :) CW could use a property like Star Trek but at the cost...and the lack of interest on the part of CBS to do a series for TV...it doesn't seem likely...but things could always change.

As far as Top Model... :lol: yeah that show needs to go. :rolleyes:

I am hoping Arrow, Beauty & The Beast and Cult get picked up. :D

[Austin 3:16]

I have a feeling Top Model's next season could be its last. I think Mark Pedowitz and CW should end it and let other networks have a crack at it. It is so close to being dead that I don't think they can do anything with it anyway. Tyra should have just folded it into her talk show she used to have and kept that going instead.

Honestly, I would just use this coming summer as a way to air Smallville and have there be Arrow trailers at the end of the eps. I know it's not technically a spinoff but still, it's a good way to grab that audience.

Here is what I would do this summer with CW. One Tree Hill is gone after next wk. Ringer is ending early from what ive heard. Put Top Model on Tuesdays in Ringer's slot for one final season and let it end. Have a weekly poll on The CW's website about which episodes of SV u can vote on. The top 2 of each poll air that wk on Wednesday nights. Following the first couple of eps, a teaser is aired for Arrow. During the final two eps of SV to air as part of this during the summer, each ad break has a cast member from Arrow talking about the show and u see some scenes being filmed. At the end, the audience is told to stick around and we see the first major ad for Arrow to promote the series. I would do something like SV's promos where at the end, an iconic shot from the pilot is featured ala Clark being strung up from the pilot.

Would anyone else like to see that? I think that'd b better than just airing movies or something on Wednesday nights the whole summer.

[Degobunny]

CBS can do a Trek series...if they want to. ;) The problem is a Star Trek series would be expensive...but JJ/Paramount has nothing to do with TV...just movies...CBS would need an intensive to do a series...either on CBS, CW or Showtime...which doesn't exist unless they just want to ride off the popularity of the movies. :) CW could use a property like Star Trek but at the cost...and the lack of interest on the part of CBS to do a series for TV...it doesn't seem likely...but things could always change.

As far as Top Model... :lol: yeah that show needs to go. :rolleyes:

I am hoping Arrow, Beauty & The Beast and Cult get picked up. :D
JJ has everything to with Star Trek franchise at the moment. What he says go, he does not want another Star Trek TV series out there confusing people. Every idea I have seen out there for another Star Trek series is based on the original trek universe which would just cause confusion. In the off chance that someone wanted to create another series based on the alternate universe JJ create for the new Star Trek film, they would need JJ's permission. . CBS can try to make another show if they want but it will be super expensive given how many people are involved in Star Trek franchise. so I am pretty sure Paramount/CBS/Viacom however you want to refer to them as would rather have just the movies going on right now then have deal with a bunch of legal issues that are sure to come with making another Star Trek series. Okay back to The CW...if they wanted to reboot a science fiction franchise I will go with what I said before. Reboot The Outer Limits which could really work from the stand point of self-contained episodes.

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Anyone know what is going to take over One Tree Hill's timeslot after the series finale next wk?
I think some Canadian import called The LA Complex.

[Austin 3:16]

Oh yeah I've heard of that show. Could be good. Would anyone like to see the idea i posted above happen though, about Wednesdays during the summer? I think that would b better and could gain back fans who left when CW started.

Oh I noticed something! Friday nights on The CW back when they aired Smallville, there would b ads for The CW4Kids lineup the next morning which is Saturday. That's fine since I know families watched SV. It was the Parents Television Council's favorite show for families to watch together for a couple of yrs running.

Now, they do the same thing with the kids lineup but they air ads during Nikita. Am I the only one who thinks it's kinda strange they do that? I mean, Nikita can't exactly be considered family friendly programming. U never saw them doing that for Kids' WB! during shows like Buffy when they were airing in those timeslots. I get that SV was more for teens at times but it was more appropriate for advertising kids shows when u think about it.

If u want to advertise The CW4Kids or whatever it's called, create a show like 7th Heaven for The CW. Something families can watch together. Use the commercials during that series to advertise those shows.

Matter of fact, just bring back Kids' WB! That was the cooler lineup anyways.

Just want to be clear. I'm not ripping on Nikita. It is a good show. I just don't think it works for promoting the Sat morning lineup the way a Smallville or 7th Heaven did.

That leads me to say this. If u want to advertise kids shows, give those shows their own night. I've been pushing for the kids shows to get their own night on the network since Pokemon. Heck, I've been suggesting it ever since Superman: The Animated Series premiered one Friday night back in the day. That seems so long ago doesn't it? I know they tried it with stuff like Pinky and The Brain, but I think it might work now.

Also, make Sunday night The WB Big Sunday again and show some of the great shows that used to air. If u have to purchase rights, go for it. Id love to see Buffy, Angel, Smallville, Dawson's Creek, Felicity, Blue Collar TV, Jack and Jill and others back on tv even if it is just for one night a week. If u want to give shows like Family Guy a run for their money, retro is the way to go. Plus, Desperate Housewives is ending so there is an opening to grab at least a few of those viewers. May not be many but I know I'd watch! That's why I watch The '90s Are All That on Teennick. It's cool to see those shows back and I think this would be a good way to capitalize on that.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

CW success comes down to risks and spending money...which is a problem...they need to go for broke and hope to end up a winner. :\

[Austin 3:16]

CW success comes down to risks and spending money...which is a problem...they need to go for broke and hope to end up a winner. :\

I couldn't agree more! The WB did that and I think they wound up with some of their best shows ever! Buffy, Angel, Smallville, Supernatural, Felicity, Dawson's Creek, The Jamie Kennedy Experiment, their cartoons. I dont just mean the kids cartoons either. The stuff like Mission Hill and Baby Blues were fantastic. They do so well on Adult Swim that I think they were ahead of their time.

The WB would take chances. Did it work all the time? Nope but they gave shows that u would never see on other nets a chance and the majority of the time, it worked beautifully. Maybe that's another reason I look back on them so favorably. It was a family that u could watch just about anytime and have fun. We need CW to be more like that. Now that Mark is in charge, I see light peeking through the cracks of what we call The Dark Ages I guess. By that, i mean Dawn Ostroff's reign. It just felt sterile at first with the CW. Now it is starting to feel more enjoyable with shows like Hart of Dixie and new shows coming like Arrow.

It is sad to say, but I think maybe Smallville ending was the kick in the end that The CW needed to get motivated. For he first few wks of the fall season, I know most of the SV fans were in a sort of recovery mode. I felt kind of lost Fridays at first. Other threads have my feelings on that but basically, besides Supernatural, I had nothing to watch on the channel. I actually tuned in the first night of the fall season on Fridays. I dont know if i forgot one of my favorite shows was gone or I was just hoping that a season premiere would show up. I have a feeling im not the only fan who felt this way.

Now, I've really started enjoying Hart Of Dixie and I'm actually looking forward to the fall season this yr. I cannot wait to see Arrow and this feeling of anticipation I have for that show reminds me of the desire to watch a new series about young Clark Kent.

I have a feeling Mark Pedowitz is starting to roll the dice and go back to going for broke ala The WB. Mark, keep going.

The only thing I would do right now. End CW4Kids. Bring back Kids' WB! Give the lineup its own night. Do that first and I think a lot of old fans would praise u for such a risk.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

CW needs to work with 7 nights of programming...any daytime stuff is a waste...whether it be Sat morning or weekdays...just have 7 2 hour nights of programming. Sat nights could fill "kids" type stuff...the HUB shows Transformers Prime Sat nights...a "Young Justice" animated series could work even though CN shows it Sat mornings...which is a mistake. ;) and Sun nights "reality/talk show". WB had alot going for it...but so did UPN and CW has yet to bring the best of the two together. :\ I hope what I am saying is coming across clear. :p

[Austin 3:16]

I know what you're saying. Most definitely. It is funny because I remember The WB was even saying a couple yrs back that they wouldn't consider a Sat night lineup. That's what they should have put some energy behind the most! When u have available timeslots, at least try to fill them with good stuff.

If it was up to me, I'd use the Sat night slots to air some kids shows.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

Yep...I don't know what WB/CBS has as far as animated...but any WB/DC property is good...I won't let it go...but a Star Trek Animated series!? This is fan made but totally awesome! http://www.auroratrek.com/ :)

Sat nights with "kids" or animated shows would totally work. :D

WB/UPN and now The CW is potential waiting to happen...if they follow the success of what WB & UPN did right. ;)

[Austin 3:16]

I think since Mark Pedowitz is in the driver's seat now, we will see true potential being tapped.

Id love to see a new Trek animated series!

[KoopaBowserSSBM]

The CW channel in Miami was KOed, it was working one day and the next they're trying to resolve the issue... :lol:

[Austin 3:16]

How did that one happen?

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

I think the biggest challenge for Mark is rebuilding the CW...Dawn O may have actually destroyed it. :\ Having a hot property that CBS or WB is willing to take a risk on and let CW run with would be good. ;)

[edit] It may be out there and not within CW's current demo...but a remake of Good Times (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Times) would be great...I loved it growing up and watched it in re-runs then and still do now on Antenna TV.

[Austin 3:16]

That's not a bad idea at all. If done right I think that could show other networks how to do things correctly.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

http://www.ksitetv.com/vampire-diaries/the-vampire-diaries-90210-supernatural-renewed-for-fall-2012/14057

I can see TVD & Supernatural being renewed...but 90210!?!? Not a fan...seen some eps and didn't click with me at all. :\

[edit] I have given this alot of though...too much really but if I was head of The CW( :p @ Mark P ) I would not have any reality shows in the fall...they have 10 hours of programming given the current schedule...maybe reality in mid-season or summer but it is total fail in the fall. ;) Okay personally based on current CW series and pilots in the works for the fall 6 old - 4 new...

MON: 8PM Heart Of Dixie 9PM 90210. Why? 'HoD' deserves an earlier slot and I don't care about '90210'...so MON is perfect. :lol:

TUE: 8PM Selection 9PM The Secret Circle. Okay I actually think TSC deserves a 8PM slot but if the hype of 'Selection' is true it may give 'TSC' life??? I do think TUE on The CW is the "death night" :\

WED: 8PM Beauty & The Beast 9PM The Carrie Diaries. 2 new shows in one night!?!? I think they can work it. ;) And CW has had reality shows on WED and they don't work. Ugh...time for a change. :)

THU: 8PM The Vampire Diaries 9PM Arrow. Based on what I have read...'Arrow' seems better suited for 9PM and well as a hot new show can build off of 'TVD' which is The CW's hottest show. ;)

FRI 8PM Ringer 9PM Supernatural. Okay I want to see 'Ringer' have a second season...Nikita is done and what else are they gonna put here??? :p

Shows like 'Cult' & 'First Cut' may be good for mid-season. ;) Old shows like GG and ANTM...kill' em with FIRE! :lol:

[add] On a personal note...if The CW actually gives a damn about it's viewers it wouldn't bother with any reality shows...no matter how cheap they are to produce. ;)

[KSiteTV]

Hey Caught_In_The_Sun... please try to keep a limit on the emoticons. I'm too lazy to look up the forum rules right now, but generally we try to keep to less than 5 per post.

My current preference based on current buzz, which could change every day... some of this is what I posted before.

MONDAY:
Gossip Girl
Carrie Diaries

- I don't think I'll watch either, but I assume one will lead into the other. The big question, if they do this, is what will replace Gossip Girl at midseason if the rumors are true that they'll only do 13 episodes.

TUESDAY:
Hart Of Dixie
Arrow

- Of the three new series to premiere last year, I think Hart of Dixie has the most potential to go up in the ratings. A mixture like this would echo the Gilmore Girls/Smallville line-up of back in the day. It's possible Arrow would go to Thursdays after TVD, too, but this is just a guess/suggestion/whatever.

WEDNESDAY:
90210
Top Model

I hate Top Model and think it's a waste of time that's never really produced a real model anyway. 90210 is not a very good show but it's at least consistent with ratings no matter where they put it. This night is another weak link... I think The CW could build a very bold Wednesday if they wanted to, because I think it would be good counter-programming to Idol/X Factor/ABC's comedies, but I don't think they'll be so bold. Maybe First Cut would hop in when the ANTM cycle is over.

THURSDAY:
The Vampire Diaries
The Selection or Beauty and the Beast

Figure this one could go either way. BATB is getting decent buzz, the only thing is, raven-haired beauty who falls in love with a creature is already covered on CW Thursday nights. The Selection could be really interesting, although it sounds like the lowest priority of the pilots they're talking about picking up. At midseason, let the 9PM slot go to Cult.

FRIDAY:
Nikita
Supernatural

I know some have questioned why bring Nikita back, and it's the same reason I think Smallville was kept there... nothing else would perform that well in that timeslot on The CW, at least nothing that's currently on the network. The right genre show (Beauty and the Beast maybe?) could be a decent SPN lead-in, but with the Ausiello buzz and whatever... I think Nikita could be back. Why not Secret Circle? Well, if it doesn't pull ratings after TVD, sadly I'm almost positive it would do worse than Nikita on Fridays.

MAYBE keep Secret Circle around as a midseason entry, though.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

^
My bad. I will keep that in mind.

Yeah, unfortunately CW will always mix in reality shows like ANTM but to be honest I don't think they work on that network at all now...reality shows barely worked on WB and I don't remember UPN attempting them until ANTM...they should stick to just doing scripted shows during the fall TV season and maybe slip in reality shows mid way or in the summer. I know networks like them cause they are cheap but I just don't think they work on The CW.

[Austin 3:16]

I'm sorry but I really think ANTM is beyond helping. Tyra fired entire panel saying it will help the show. Sorry but the show should be canceled.

If they want to bring back a reality show, they should bring back The Surreal Life. That program was awesome!

I was watching Young Justice the other morning and think that show would work very well if CW would do an animation night. I know it didn't work too well on The WB, but there is always an audience for animation. Give it another chance Mark Pedowitz. It's worth it.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

An animation night would be great. Again going back to reality shows...CW might consider doing a music talent show...maybe a battle of the bands type thing instead of looking for just a singer.

[Austin 3:16]

Caught, do u remember Pepsi Smash? It was a good concert series that I think lasted a season or 2 and showcased up and coming music as well as already known bands and singers. It did pretty well during the summer when it aired. They could bring that back.

Cartoon Network did an April Fools thing this yr where instead of Adult Swim, Toonami returned. Guess what happened? The fans ate it up and want more! I say bring that to Saturday nights on CW and watch it soar.

If they want to revolutionize their network I would transfer Hart Of Dixie to Tuesday nights like someone said earlier and follow it up with Arrow the same night like they did Gilmore Girls and Smallville. As for what to call this lineup? I think The CW New Tuesday sounds good. How about u folks? :)

[KSiteTV]

CW stations are not going to give up any additional air time than they already have. So no Saturdays, no Sundays, no 10pm hour. That's not how the business works.

I also think... although the K-Site audience might like animated stuff... and heck, animation works for FOX on Sundays... I don't think The CW wants to be known for showing cartoons right now. If anything, they should focus on their Saturday morning stuff - if they still program it, do they? After all, that's how The WB built. Good stuff on Saturday mornings got those kids into their primetime shows when they were teenagers.

[Austin 3:16]

4Kids might be in charge. I'd just take that time back and program good cartoons. I would also then take back weekday afternoons and do cartoons on there too. I agree with u Craig that that would be a great way to draw younger viewers in like The WB did.

I think a few posts back I said that Nikita isn't a good show to air ads for stuff like the Saturday morning lineup on. It isn't the show, just the fact that it isn't really a series with family or kid content u know? When SV was still on, that was considered more appropriate. Nikita pushes the line where something like Arrow or Hart Of Dixie would be more close and better to show ads.

That's a reason I miss shows like 7th Heaven. It was a good show for the whole family. The WB had a great variety of shows for everyone. Back when Buffy started it was packaged with 7th Heaven on Monday nights. A fun family show that teens could watch then kids went to bed and teens and adults watched Buffy. CW is getting back there but the Monday night lineup of Gossip Girl followed by Hart is lacking something. Nothing against either show. GG just doesn't feel right on the network u know? We need a 7th Heaven or an Everwood.

Summerland was a great show too. That grabbed the audiences attention. I heard the reason it ended was Jesse McCartney wanted to go on tour. That was reported on E. If that's true, then it is sad because I loved the show.

Such great variety. U could watch cartoons in the mornings and afternoons. Once they were over, 2 hrs later The WB primetime like New Tuesday started. There was always something good to watch. It felt like a family atmosphere. Even when baseball would delay shows here where I live, the shows aired later and I would stay up late to watch Buffy, Angel, Smallville, Supernatural, Felicity, Dawson's Creek, 7th Heaven and other shows and it felt special. Hope we can get that attitude back soon.

Like I said, I would definitely take whatever shows are on weekday afternoons and replace them with the cartoons. It was so fun to race home from school and work to watch Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh!, Jackie Chan Adventures, Batman, Superman and others. I would plop down in front of the tv and just have fun for 2 hrs, eat dinner and then watch whatever was on that night. Now, it just feels empty, nothing against Dr. Drew. Even that is getting taken off soon so I think it is time to just bring back cartoons, which was such a great block. If we can't have them on on nights, please Mark, give them back to us on weekdays.

I do remember hearing theories that advertisers were the main reason they can't show the kids shows on weekdays anymore. That brings me to something Vince McMahon once said. He was asked why WWE went PG. His response was they could work with more advertisers at that rating than a TV-14 one. So wouldn't it be the same here? U would think kids could be catered to more than just teens or adults. Personally, I would strike an agreement to show more grownup shows weekdays during the schoolyear. Then, during summer when kids are out of school, give that time back to the kids ala Kids' WB! They could still have 8 or 9 months for their shows while kids get 3 or 4 months.

I do have to say that the Afternoon WB lineup was a good idea but they missed out on a good opportunity to promote their other shows. So it started off with ER and 8 Simple Rules then went to What I Like About You and Reba which changed to add All Of Us. Those shows were all dropped in favor of Tyra Banks talk show. From what I've heard, a new talk show is set to replace Dr. Drew's Lifechangers.

Afternoon WB started out good, but they shouldnt have rotated out shows for Tyra. It should have either gone back to cartoons like Pokemon or else gone to my alternate idea. The WB fans wanted to see stuff like Smallville, 7th Heaven, Everwood, Dawson's Creek and Felicity. Now I get not all of those were owned by Warner Bros, but had they shown the ones they do own like Smallville, they could have taken their time and used that time to buy rights to the other shows mentioned.

Smallville Beginnings was shown for awhile back when the show was still running hot and I think they could have really brought it back and put it to good use. Slowly, after showing Smallville Beginnings for awhile twice a day, rotate the second ep out and replace it with 7th Heaven Beginnings. Those shows lasted for a long time and could have had reruns air for awhile w/o being replaced. They could have even called it The WB Flashback. Look how well Teennick does with their '90s programming. I could see The CW doing that successfully with older shows they first own during the weekday afternoons then more recent ones later on.

I also just thought about it and not only could they have shown older shows. They could use the commercial breaks to advertise their newer shows and gotten them promoted to all the original fans who come to watch the shows they like. Give the fans what they like and they're more likely to give other stuff a chance. Something will peak their interest u know?

I once heard when Fox Kids left weekdays that they could come back if they gave a year's notice in advance. Wonder if that could work with Kids' WB!

Craig I'm just wondering something. My memory is kind of fuzzy on The WB. Did they always used to air ads for kids cartoons Friday nights or is that something that is more recent since they don't air the cartoons on weekday afternoons?

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

I still think a Legion Of Superheroes series on The CW would be perfect...it would be different enough but could be molded to fit what they want to do...it may not look super fantastic...but it is possible. As I said in other threads...it could hit a bunch of stuff with one stone...superheroes, a space opera, teen drama. :lol: It could maybe get Superman and Supergirl involved in the series at some point.

[edit] Six Legionnaires I would have involved at first; Cosmic Boy, Lightening Lad, Saturn Girl, Bouncing Boy, Brainiac 5 & Phantom Girl. :)

[Austin 3:16]

Caught, that is a really good idea. I know I would be watching from the very beginning.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

^ :)

From this; http://www.ksitetv.com/opinion/opinion-the-cws-fall-2012-schedule-what-should-they-do/14262

The CW should take more risks...I don't think Arrow, Beauty & The Beast or Cult are enough...The Carrie Diaries seems more of the same Dawn O CW. :\ I think The Selection also is just biting off of something and not really something that says CW is making a mark of it's own.

[Supsfan]

Move ATNM to the Summer. I think having some decent first run programming in the Summer could help them promote new shows and with ATNM ratings dwindling on Wednesdays, I think it might find new life in the Summer

[Austin 3:16]

Supsfan, that's a great idea! I remember WB used to premiere and air really great shows in the summer. Baby Blues, Young Americans and even Dead Last may not have done monumental ratings, but they were great shows to watch. ANTM in the summer could be a blessing in disguise for the network.

My suggestion has nothing to do with what goes on the channel but everything to do with selling. If CW wants to make the network more successful, they should reopen The Warner Brothers Studio Stores. I think the stores were very fun and didn't just have to do with The WB Television Network. They sold more stuff there too. They could always use it to promote The CW by selling merchandise promoting Supernatural, Arrow and other great shows of course. Also consider though what movies are coming up. The Dark Knight Rises, The Hobbit films and the upcoming Superman: The Man Of Steel. Just from selling shirts and other stuff with those brands on them, they could make TONS!

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

I think given the shows picked up and what has been renewed...The CW needs a plan B for mid season...I am interested in Arrow, B&TB, Cult and I will be watching TVD in the fall...but I am not sure The CW has an "IT" show in that line up...TVD have fallen off in ratings from S1 so even if it gets better rating than the rest of the shows...it isn't that "IT" show anymore.

[Austin 3:16]

I think the new "IT" show will be Arrow. Coming off a Smallville comparison could be the best thing a show like that could have happen. It isn't technically a spinoff but any connection may very well be a blessing for a new show. Smallville had the biggest series premiere ratings in the history of The WB. Could that rub off on Arrow. CW is extremely hungry for a hit. Can't wait to see the first commercial!

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

I am hoping Arrow is that new "IT" show. It will be exciting to see the first promo. :)

[Austin 3:16]

Same here. I'm only sad Britt Robertson's show was cancelled. Reminds me of when Bruce Campbell's shows were good but only lasted one season each. Brisco County Jr and Jack Of All Trades were both great shows but unfortunate decisions by networks left them cancelled. Fortunately, Bruce went on to be on Burn Notice and that show is still running hot. Hope Britt finds her Burn Notice.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

I am completely sad that TSC was canned...I love Britt and enjoyed Life Unexpected and enjoyed her on TSC...I hope she can get a show soon.

[edit] I was looking at ratings for soaps...there are only Young And The Restless, Bold And The Beautiful, General Hospital & Days Of Our Lives...I am not sure what is up with The CW day time picture...I know they have Dr Drew's show but maybe a bold move would be to produce a soap? The landscape for soaps is looking grim but the fan-base is hardcore and could gravitate to a new series. I know this is one of those crazy ideas that will never happen...but The CW needs to make bolder moves and create buzz for the network.

[Austin 3:16]

CW is going to remove Lifechangers this fall I believe for another talk show Caught. It is a total shame they don't take chances on their weekdays anymore. A good soap could do wonders for the network. I'd rather see shows like Smallville or Kids' WB! back than talk shows.

It's funny. Back when Kids' WB! started, the landscape was totally different. We had The Disney Afternoon but Fox Kids was really the only lineup branded by an actual network for kids like that. Even Fox Kids was starting to run its course. Kids' WB! changed everything. They were able to use Warner Bros cartoons for a WB network and did it pretty successfully. At first, the channel's kids lineup was a modest hit. Then, that little Pokemon series came along and changed everything.

Kids' WB! blew Fox Kids out the door. Flash forward to now and we have talk shows in those timeslots? The kids shows should never have been removed. Ratings weren't hurting. The fanbase was loyal. That kids lineup could have run for a lot longer. I know the same lineup wouldn't have been there forever but good shows will always get good ratings. For crying out loud, they aired ads for the shows on monitors @ Six Flags! That's true and smart promotion right there if I ever saw it. The station should get back to being loyal to kids shows. That is the most loyal audience I think. Like Craig I think said earlier, the kids who watched those shows grew up to watch The WB series. That should be how it happens with The CW today. It would be smart, revolutionary marketing.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

I think if The CW can make it's 10 hours of prime-time a success then they may do stuff with day time and add another day back to their line up...of course that will take years and working it out with affiliates...but if it can't make those 10 hours a success...the network is done. :(

[Sugar]

[edit] ...but The CW needs to make bolder moves and create buzz for the network.


That's what they did with Gossip Girl. And that's why it keeps getting renewed, despite bad ratings.

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I am hoping Arrow is that new "IT" show. It will be exciting to see the first promo. :)

Me too. I think last year we starting seeing promos for the new shows after the upfronts.

[Austin 3:16]

The promo for Hart Of Dixie was when I could see a change starting for The CW. I was reminded of The WB with those promos.

I agree Caught that if CW makes the primetime lineup work, we could c a new daytime lineup and another day added. It may take awhile of course like u said, but if it means bringing back the cartoons and stuff like that, it is definitely worth waiting for.

Not only that but if I remember correctly, when The WB Television Network premiered it was only one night a week. They expanded slowly into the channel we all knew and loved and miss to this day. The strategy of taking their time and getting good shows on the air isn't a bad one if it means we get nights like Big Sunday and shows like Smallville Beginnings or Kids' WB! back someday. Definitely patience could pay off.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

^ Well Mark P said he wanted to bring back the laughs to The CW...I was catching up on Melissa & Joey on ABC Family and that would have been perfect for The CW...I know some people aren't too high on it...but I think it is hilarious. :lol: I am not sure when CW would do sitcoms again...maybe in their Summer schedule in the near future?

[Austin 3:16]

Arrow and Supernatural to break it down on Wednesdays! Thank u Mark Pedowitz and The CW! This is a major way to save the network.

Mark said they are looking to bring sitcoms back and mentioned New Girl and Don't Trust The... as shows that would've worked for the network. The best 2 sitcoms The WB ever had were Reba and What I Like About You. They spoke to people and were genuinely entertaining. If we can get shows like them, then it will definitely raise the bar for the channel.

I think this coming season reflects a new change towards bringing back the spirit and flavor of our long lost WB. I haven't been this excited for the network since its beginning. I haven't been this excited for a new show since Smallville.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

The schedule seems like a step in the right direction...but I honestly think adding stuff like The Carrie Diaries isn't. ;) We shall see how this all plays out. I can't wait to see the trailers. :D Hopefully they will be up when I get back from grocery shopping.

About sitcoms...I can't say New Girl & Don't Trust The B* In Apt 23 are appealing to me...Melissa & Joey seem more like the spirit of Reba and What I Like About You IMHO. I really think Breaking In could have done better on The CW than FOX...it was great S1 with Rosenbaum and probably would have played better with the CW audience with it having MR and Bret Harrison.

Arrow & Beauty And The Beast are what I am looking forward to the most...Cult close behind.

[Sugar]

http://www.ksitetv.com/vampire-diaries/the-cw-formally-announces-their-2012-2013-schedule/14436

the new schedule!

I'm not a fan of moving Supernatual...but I understand why they did it. They couldn't exactly put Arrow on a Friday. I think they should have moved Nikita instead, if they're so crazy about the show they've been advertising it everywhere lately.

Interesting that they're going to put Cult on a Friday.

[Caught_In_The_Sun]

I keep reading that 'The Selection' is still alive cause The CW wants to capitalize on the success of 'The Hunger Games'...um...no...want to capitalize on something...how about a Justice League series? I mean The Avengers are IT! :p Seriously...Justice League, Teen Titans, Legion Of Superheroes...

[Austin 3:16]

I agree Caught. Is love to see a JL show but my guess is that they arent doing it right now because they're afraid of confusing people with Arrow coming up. Plus, E said a few days ago that Warner Bros still wants to do a JL movie. Wonder if that put any plans for a series on hold.

I'm loving the new schedule! Arrow and Supernatural on Wednesdays is a MAJOR step in the right direction. Fri does seem a bit weak to me with ANTM but they can fix it as they go along. Cult I will be looking forward to.

Beauty and The Beast even loox decent. I'll give it a chance when it premieres. Have a feeling Arrow will pull the biggest ratings since Smallville.

There are sitcoms in the works I can't believe it! I'm so happy since with those being planned, it really feels like The WB.

The only two things I would do now? Bring back Michigan J. Frog and resurrect Kids' WB! for the new generation of kids. As was said before by others, the kids that watched the cartoons on Kids' WB! grew up to watch The WB programming. It was a smart move on the network's part.

As for Michigan J. Frog, he was the first mascot and symbol I feel went perfect with a fun, revolutionary channel. He would go with the green in the logo. He should just show up and ask if we missed him. That'd be cool. Matter of fact, i wouldnt be surprised if he does return somehow. I think it would be a way to show The WB's fans that they're going back to the things that made the great network so, well, great. :)