Smallville Mafia 2: High School Days (Official Game Thread)

[SGuthrie27]

Welcome to Mafia! This is a game where the players in the game are known as "townies" but a few of them are working together in secret to kill off the others. They are known as the "mafia". It is up to the townies to figure out who is in the mafia before the mafia kills all the innocent townies. Each round the townies can choose to lynch someone, but they must choose carefully. If the mafia claims the majority of the town, they'll be able to take it over. There may also be a serial killer, a lone player working to kill off everybody (mafia and town alike) and is trying to make it to the end of the game.

In this game, everyone is assigned a character/role at random. It is best to keep your character/role a secret though out the game, but roleclaiming is allowed (and this time character claiming is allowed). Just a note, fake roles will be given to scum to use. Flavor text/story will be used to narrate the game, but “stories” will only be used to reveal (who died, if anyone got saved, etc). Anything else is just extra and irrelevant.

General Rules:
1. I am the game moderator. I have ultimate authority over the game, but I am a human being. I make mistakes. Please be kind to your mod and show him some respect.
2. Everyone is assigned a role/character at random by me. Roleclaiming is allowed but only advised when absolutely necessary. However, you are NOT allowed to quote anything in your role PM.
3. The game operates in two phases: Day and Night (NOT real time). Day phases will last no longer than a week and night phases last no longer than 48 hours.
4. During the day, players discuss who they think is scum and will have the chance to vote on someone to be lynched.
5. During the night, those with special abilities will PM their targets to the mod. Absolutely no discussion in the thread is allowed during a night phase.
6. Townies are NOT allowed to talk with any other player outside the thread concerning mafia. Mafia are only allowed to PM each other during the night phase. All mafia related discussion must remain in this thread.
7. If you die at any point in the game, you are allowed ONE BRIEF farewell post, then you are not allowed to post in the thread again. Dead people can post in the graveyard thread, but please follow the graveyard rules.
8. Stay active! Posting off topic is NOT encouraged. You must make 3 posts per day phase. If you cannot make this limit before deadline, please let me know. If you do not give me a reason for your absence and you do not make the post quota, you will be modkilled!
9. Do not quote anything outside this thread as evidence and DO NOT EDIT your post!
10. Above all, HAVE FUN!

Daytime Rounds:
Each daytime round will consist of each player throwing around suspicions and accusations of who is in the mafia/SK. The mafia/SK will use this time to “deceive” the other players and often try to throw suspicion on others. If you are a townie it is job to figure out who is lying and who is telling the truth. Trust me, this won’t always be an easy feat. I advise every player to participate in discussions as much as possible, but I only require each player to post 3 times per day round (some cases may vary). The more you participate, the more fun the game will be. At any time you can give a player an IGMEOY or FOS (see common terms and acronyms). These are used to show the other players who you find suspicious. When you think you have enough evidence to lynch somebody. You may vote for that person.

Voting:
1. Votes must be cast in the following format: VOTE: Player X. Any vote that is not in this format will NOT count.
2. If you want to change your vote, you must first UNVOTE.
3. The number of votes required for a lynch is the majority of the players (if even # of players: 1/2 of the players plus 1; if odd # of players: 1/2 of the players plus .5.
4. Once the required number of votes is reached on a given player, that player will be lynched. After that you cannot change your vote or unvote. The game will enter twilight and a lynch story will soon be posted and Night will begin. Twilight is your last chance to post before the lynching story.
5. At deadline, if the required number of votes is NOT reached, a reduced number of votes will be accepted. This is half the original required number of votes. If there is a tie, whoever reached the number first will be lynched.
6. At deadline, if the reduced number of votes is not met, there won't be a lynch.
7. You can also vote NO LYNCH. If majority votes for a NO LYNCH, then the round will end there. There is NO reduced number of votes at deadline for NO LYNCH.

Nighttime Rounds:
1. No posting in the thread during a night phase.
2. Any player with a special ability will have a deadline to send in an ability PM. If the player misses deadline, then the ability won't count.

Roles:
Every role I have assigned in this game is based off a character from Smallville (from Seasons 1-4). Everyone is assigned a character at random, but not all characters will have a SA (vanilla townie or mafia goon). You must try and keep your role a secret. I do allow role claiming which is usually only used by someone when they are about to be lynched, a last resort if you will. In other cases roleclaiming is usually dangerous and will only make you a target for the mafia/SK. I will NOT tell you every single special ability that is found in the game, but here is what you can expect:
*1 Godfather
*2 roleblockers (one mafia, one townie)
*1 cop/detective
*1 doctor/protector
*1 paranoid gun owner
*And possibly others! ;)
You can refer to the following Web site to learn about these roles, and to browse through others which may or may not be included in the game: http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

Character Claiming:
Also, this round, I am adding a new little twist into the game that Jess suggested that I think might make this interesting. You are also allowed, this time, to claim which character you are. Obviously, this is still a very dangerous move, as players could possibly be able to determine your role and powers (if any) by revealing your true identity. Thus, as with role claiming, it’s still a wise move to keep your character a secret unless you believe you’re in mortal peril (at least more so than usual when playing Smallville Mafia). And, to add an element of danger, the mafia and SK will be receiving names of characters who are NOT actually in the game, which they can use for fake claims, so be on your guard against potential liars (of which there are always plenty in this game).

Other Rules:
1. Please obey all K-Site rules!
2. No discussion of ships is allowed!
3. No flame wars, personal arguments, or offensive language!
4. Remember that this is JUST A GAME! Don't take this game too personally.

Common Terms and Acronyms:
IGMEOY: “I got my eye on you”
FOS: finger of suspicion
BWCS: best worst case scenario
AtE: appeal to emotion
Hammer vote: a final vote that lynches a player
L-#: used to describe how many votes a player is away from being lynched. For example: If it takes 5 votes to lynch and a player has 3 votes that player is at L-2
LyLo: “lynch-or-lose” Used to describe a situation when the town does not lynch, they lose.
MyLo: “mislynch-or-lose” Used to describe a situation when the town mislynches, they lose. However, a No Lynch will usually lead to another round.
SK: serial killer
RVS: “random voting stage” – commonly used at the beginning of the game as way to the game going. Players will usually vote each other for random reasons.
EBWOP: “edit by way of post” – since you are not allowed to edit your posts, if you have an edit you need to make, make a NEW post with EBWOP at the top and state your changes.
Lurking: Used to describe someone who is online and reads the thread but makes few posts OR someone who isn’t very active. (this is NOT encouraged)
SA: special ability
TwSA: townie with special ability
MwSA: Mafioso with special ability
PwSA: person with special ability

*Newbie advice: Since there are quite a few people playing this game that have never played mafia before, Jess and I will be offering advice every now and then. I'll write my tips in a different color (Jess, please do the same) so they'll be recognizable. Jess has agreed to be perfectly objective with his tips (won't reveal anything about his role/character/allignment). Please don't use anything he says as tips against him as suspicious evidence.

*Starting tips: The big question is: how do you begin? Well a common starting strategy for mafia is to begin the game in a RVS (see above). People will accuse/vote for other people (often for silly reasons) just to get people talking. Since this is an online game and you can't read facial expressions, the best way to play is to analyze what other people say. Find when other people are being suspicious and when it looks like their hiding something. You have a week to get your votes in so don't feel like you have to rush the game. Investigate, dig deep and sniff out who among you is scum. Remember that you can always UNVOTE if a majority vote has not been reached or the deadline has not passed. Please try to stay on topic. If you questions PM me. If it's important for everybody, I'll post the Q&A in this thread.

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The Smallville Torch
Vol. 2, Issue 1

“Mysterious Messages and Cryptic Clues: Another Day at Smallville High”
By Chloe Sullivan

Meteor showers. People developing bizarre powers ranging from the ability to turn a deer into beef jerky in 10.5 seconds to turning teenage girls into popsicles. Bank robbers who can walk through walls. All of these bizarre occurrences have become synonymous with this leafy little hamlet we call home. However, things have recently taken a turn for the worse, and that’s saying something, coming from the girl who almost met her end at the hands of a telekinetic psycho artist wielding a chainsaw.

Everyone has already read Mr. Beppo’s article in the Smallville Ledger about the recent late-night robbery of the Ezra Small Museum which left two security guards dead and saw dozens of priceless artifacts stolen, the third of its kind in the last couple of weeks. Some may have also perused my recent, riveting blurb about several citizens being gunned down by someone who leaves an unusual calling card, the work that some theorists, including myself, believe to be the work of some sort of serial killer.

Our local law enforcement officials have scoured the surrounding countryside, searching for any clues as to who these mysterious criminals might be, but there were little hints as to who or what we were actually dealing with, until a strange e-mail that ended up in my Inbox, along with those of nineteen of my fellow Smallvillians. Cryptically, it invited us to meet in the gymnasium here at Smallville High last night at 9:00 PM. I can’t speak for everyone who showed up to this mysterious meeting, but I have to say that my curiosity was officially piqued, and it became only more so once we arrived in the gym and were met by an unusual message.

A laptop was set up in the center of the room, hooked up to a video projector. When one of the townspeople present turned the laptop on, it immediately began displaying the following message:

“Citizens of Smallville: you do not know me, but I have keeping my eyes on your home for quite some time, and it has become readily apparent, both to myself and to an individual far more powerful than I who has notified me of what has occurred, that there are hidden dangers among you which must be eradicated if any of you hope to survive. An organized criminal organization known as the mafia threatens to overrun your town, and will not rest until everyone innocent among you is slain. Similarly, a serial killer prowls your streets, equally threatening your existence. You must extinguish both these threats until they extinguish all hope in Smallville.”

“Why should we believe any of this?” one of the people in the room asked boldly, though I didn’t see who it was.

“I know you are undoubtedly questioning the authority with which I make these claims,” the message continued to scroll across the screen, “but perhaps this will prove compelling enough evidence for you.”

Out of nowhere, there was this blinding flash of light, accompanied by a high-pitched ringing noise, according to one of my friends, although I didn’t hear it. A second later, a silvery metal disk, shaped like an octagon, began hovering in mid-air before our very eyes. Strange symbols on it lit up, and beneath it, we could see the image of what was, to some of us, a familiar sight: the Kawatche Caves, sacred ground to the local Indian tribe that they are named after.” Then, what I can only describe as a swirling vortex appeared, and when it had finished flaring its brightest, the metal octagon was gone, and all that remained were the message sender’s final words: “In one night, at 10:00 sharp, assemble here, in these caverns. Bring with you the name of who among you has proven to be the most likely bearer of guilt -- one name, each night. And eventually, the truth will be revealed. And, as always, I wish you the best of luck, and every hope that you and I know your parents ever wished for you... Kal-El.”

Who is this Kal-El? Why does this mystery man want us to meet at the Kawatche Caves? And are his threats of danger truly valid? Only time will tell... Keep your eyes peeled for next week’s issue of the Smallville Torch and for what will hopefully be a heaping helping of what I consider, rather than laughter, to be the best medicine around: the truth.

Day 1 has begun! (voting deadline 11/19 @ 10:00 PM CST)

Among the 20 players there are 5 mafia, 1 SK and 14 townies. When you are ready you may cast your vote to lynch. With 20 players alive, it takes 11 players to lynch

The Living:
jpfort1957/John
SuperKryptonGirl13/Lydia
Pali/Paul (just call him “Pali”)
Blur_26/Josh
Alexandra1989/Alexandra or "Alex"
skully/Steve
hughie87/Summer
fantom_zoner/FZ
Karafan1/Jim

The Dead:
Chlarkfan_phantom/Diana (Jonathan Kent, a Mason)
LucyLaneClarkKent4vr/Anne-Claire (Lionel Luthor, the Godfather)
Mars_Investigations/Matt (a.k.a. “Mars”) (Sheriff Nancy Adams, the Detective)
super_j_man/Jess (Martha Kent, a Mason)
smallvillefun13/Spiros (Van McNulty, the Serial Killer)
doodie8808/Christine (Adam Knight, the Mafia Spy)
Degobunny/Ashley (Bart Allen, the Thief)
jsm/James (Dr. Helen Bryce, the Traitor)
Cloisfan22/Paul (Morgan Edge, the Mafia Roleblocker)
Terrific T/TT (Lois Lane, a Vanilla Townie)
LordOnox/Matt (a.k.a. “Onox”) (Eric Summers, the Power Thief and Substitute Godfather)

until we get to the deadline, at which it will take half that number of votes to lynch. You can also vote No-Lynch if you so choose.
And now... let the game begin!!!! :D

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

YESSSSS!!!!

I swear I'm not going to make mistakes this time.. and the townie are going to win :D

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Ok.. So I read all the rules. This is going to be fun. I can't wait.

So.. RVS as we start out.. Personally, I think the people I'm most intimidated by right now are FZ, and Jess.

FZ- You really can't tell if this girl is lying :lol:
Jess- Obvious reasons. While being an awesome mod, may be an awesome liar. He's scary :rotfl:

I won't vote yet.. but IGMEOY both

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Yeah D-Girl :) The townies are going to win! :) *high fives*

:rotfl: I totally agree with you D-Girl :)

[super_j_man]

Vote: FZ - precautionary vote :p

For the newbies: The game of mafia usually starts out with what's called "RVS" (random voting stage). This is where we start off just voting for "random" reasons just to get the ball rolling and people talking. Once people start talking, then you can usually get somewhere.

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BTW, if you see me write something in green, I'm just giving unbiased tips for the newbies out their. I promise you can trust me to help you out.

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I swear I'm not going to make mistakes this time..
Be careful about making promises like this. Someone may hold this against you later if you ever do make a mistake.

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Vote: FZ - precautionary vote :p

Be careful about making promises like this. Someone may hold this against you later if you ever do make a mistake.

Oops... Had not thought about that. Didn't really see it as an option:p

*Hi-fives Claire back* .... Don't think I'm trusting you yet though. If I learned anything from last time.. it's that unless you're proven innocent beyond a reasonable doubt, I don't trust you.

[super_j_man]

“Mysterious Messages and Cryptic Clues: Another Day at Smallville High”
By Chloe Sullivan
I wonder if this means that Chloe is not a character in this game? Because if she were to get killed, that would mean we would have no more day/night stories right?

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

I wonder if this means that Chloe is not a character in this game? Because if she were to get killed, that would mean we would have no more day/night stories right? :p

:lol: Good point. :rotfl:

Gotta love Jeff

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EBWOP: He wouldn't let her not be in it.... at least I think so...

I forgot to add that :p

[skully]

Vote: FZ - precautionary vote :p

For the newbies: The game of mafia usually starts out with what's called "RVS" (random voting stage). This is where we start off just voting for "random" reasons just to get the ball rolling and people talking. Once people start talking, then you can usually get somewhere.

Pfffft, I RVSed first in the last game and all it did was draw me a whole lot of IGMEOYs and votes.

[super_j_man]

He could've made himself Chloe! ;):lol:

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Pfffft, I RVSed first in the last game and all it did was draw me a whole lot of IGMEOYs and votes.
Yet none of those condemned you or anything. I even stepped in and set some people straight! ;)

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Pfffft, I RVSed first in the last game and all it did was draw me a whole lot of IGMEOYs and votes.

:lol: That was kinda bad. But you didn't actually get voted off. So... yup.

[skully]

Yet none of those condemned you or anything. I even stepped in and set some people straight! ;)
I did a hell of a lot of begging (even threatened role-revealing) to get people off my case. And I was good ol' Lois!! :eek:

[LordOnox]

Hey I haven't read everything yet, I just wanted to quickly pop in before I caught up(not too much yet, so that's good.) From what I've seen scrolling down the page, seems like the "fun and festivities" have begun! :D

[super_j_man]

Question for Diane, Claire, Skully, Matt and anyone else who posts in the next few minutes: Would you mind joining me in RVS? :)

[LordOnox]

(Jeff, that was a great way to open the game. Very well done!)

Non off-topic points coming up in a minute:

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Question for Diane, Claire, Skully, Matt and anyone else who posts in the next few minutes: Would you mind joining me in RVS? :)


I suppose. :p Jess watched us suffer last game! He sat back and laughed at us, that was a very eeeeeeevil thing to do.

Vote: Jess

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Sheesh! We're already doing some voting, without true potential evidence of our posters this round? :p :lol:

Okay, Matt? I need some help with getting things arranged for the karaoke system.

[skully]

I'm in.

Vote: Jess. :)

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

I'm eenie meenie minnie mo-ing in between Jess and FZ. Jess has the most amount of votes right now, but which way should I bandwagon? Hmmm.. or should I even bandwagon at all?

Because that seemed ineffective last time... and just for fun...

VOTE: JOSH

precautionary vote :p

[LordOnox]

Sheesh! We're already doing some voting, without true potential evidence of our posters this round? :p :lol:

Okay, Matt? I need some help with getting things arranged for the karaoke system.

I'll help! *Arranges stuff for Karaoke System*

lol I think Jess is the Skully of this game. It's going exactly the same way. :lol:

[hughie87]

I'm eenie meenie minnie mo-ing in between Jess and FZ. Jess has the most amount of votes right now, but which way should I bandwagon? Hmmm.. or should I even bandwagon at all?

Because that seemed ineffective last time... and just for fun...

VOTE: JOSH

precautionary vote :p

D! My sweet, little canadian buddy! Only a few hours in and already voting people off! I never knew you could be so vicious! :p

No votes from me tonight, guys. I want to give you all the benefit of the doubt. Probably too trusting, but I hate to think anyone is a bad guy without rock solid proof!!

[super_j_man]

Sheesh! We're already doing some voting, without true potential evidence of our posters this round? :p :lol:


D! My sweet, little canadian buddy! Only a few hours in and already voting people off! I never knew you could be so vicious! :p

No votes from me tonight, guys. I want to give you all the benefit of the doubt. Probably too trusting, but I hate to think anyone is a bad guy without rock solid proof!!

Hey guys:


*Starting tips: The big question is: how do you begin? Well a common starting strategy for mafia is to begin the game in a RVS (see above). People will accuse/vote for other people (often for silly reasons) just to get people talking.


For the newbies: The game of mafia usually starts out with what's called "RVS" (random voting stage). This is where we start off just voting for "random" reasons just to get the ball rolling and people talking. Once people start talking, then you can usually get somewhere

And also, just to clarify: Understand the difference between voting randomly, voting to put pressure/obtain a reaction, and voting to lynch. It takes 11 votes to lynch on Day 1. One or two votes is not going to hurt anybody, but several votes/bandwagoning may entitle a reaction that can be noted later. Don't worry about trying to be "too nice" and just vote.

Another tip: Scum don't just come out and say "Hey guys I'm scum", though it would be nice if they did! :lol::rolleyes: Sometimes you have to put the pressure on different people/ask them questions/vote them before you can analyze their behavior. As I said a lot last game, put people on the defensive. It can be very telling if you do.

[LordOnox]

Exactly, Jess explained it very well. Random voting could bring forth some real evidence. I can't say for sure that this will happen, but some reactions to certain votes could give us something to look at. We have to start somewhere. So no guilt in voting for anyone just yet, if it seems like the bandwagon against someone starts to go up too much, then you can worry and remove your vote just in case.

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Sorry you guys! But I gotta go be with David in a few minutes. I'll get to this thread tomorrow, I promise you guys :)

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Exactly, Jess explained it very well. Random voting could bring forth some real evidence. I can't say for sure that this will happen, but some reactions to certain votes could give us something to look at. We have to start somewhere. So no guilt in voting for anyone just yet, if it seems like the bandwagon against someone starts to go up too much, then you can worry and remove your vote just in case.

Ya... I still waiting for some other people to show up. So we can have some fun!:p

[SuperKyptonGirl13]

Hola Town , and nice way to start the game off Jeff!!

i can't point the finger at anybody right now, there is no evidence, but i will be looking for some

[doodie8808]

Hi guys what is up Random voting can also be seen as a way to throw the target off your back. It works both ways

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The best way to find the truth is to look carefully at everyones post and figture out if what they are saying is true.

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see you guys tomorrow and again i will be looking at what everyone says. There is always more to a post i feel since playing the first time then what is first seen. night

[Pali]

Hey guys........so the ball is rolling......good.
From the story so far i can tell that Chloe is in the game..........she along with other 19 characters received email so she´s in the game IMO.

And Lol...you actually started with voting :D Ok I´ll vote too

Vote: Lydia

She is too diplomatic.............looking for an evidence??? You were looking for an evidence all the time last game without pointing fingers.........that´s what alibistic mafia goons do :D

Also FOS: FZ I don´t trust you already ;)

Also FOS: Summer Just because you have so lovely name..........it´s suspicious :lol:

And I´m giving IGMEOY to everybody else, I will be very careful with giving my trust to anybody.

[LordOnox]

If there is one thing I learned from last game it's never to trust anyone. My biggest mistake was assuming FZ was 100% innocent.

In a few real life days we might be able to start asking for Top 5 suspicious lists. Once more people have posted(only 2 pages? Weren't we already at like 10 by this time last game?), and we have general ideas on players.

[super_j_man]

Hi guys what is up Random voting can also be seen as a way to throw the target off your back. It works both ways
But what target is set and how are we getting it off are backs? Voting for someone doesn't mean that you still can't be "targeted". If anything, it makes us more of a target.

[SuperKyptonGirl13]

Hey guys........so the ball is rolling......good.
From the story so far i can tell that Chloe is in the game..........she along with other 19 characters received email so she´s in the game IMO.

And Lol...you actually started with voting :D Ok I´ll vote too

Vote: Lydia

She is too diplomatic.............looking for an evidence??? You were looking for an evidence all the time last game without pointing fingers.........that´s what alibistic mafia goons do :D

Also FOS: FZ I don´t trust you already ;)

Also FOS: Summer Just because you have so lovely name..........it´s suspicious :lol:

And I´m giving IGMEOY to everybody else, I will be very careful with giving my trust to anybody.

What ? What? too diplomatic????? last game my strategy was to PLAY IT LIKE A TOWNIE!!! , this time i can safely say i am a townie because why would TPTB make me mafia twice, that would make the game way to easy for returning members. Plus I only put that to begin the game because how can we find out about anybody if we are too busy pointing fingers at people who are probably innocent

but i do find it suspicious that you went into this game pointing fingers to so many people ans basically saying your watching everybody , that sounds like someone who wants to keep people off there back

FOS:Pali I'll be making sure you not going to kill me :(

[LordOnox]

What ? What? too diplomatic????? last game my strategy was to PLAY IT LIKE A TOWNIE!!! , this time i can safely say i am a townie because why would TPTB make me mafia twice, that would make the game way to easy for returning members. Plus I only put that to begin the game because how can we find out about anybody if we are too busy pointing fingers at people who are probably innocent

but i do find it suspicious that you went into this game pointing fingers to so many people ans basically saying your watching everybody , that sounds like someone who wants to keep people off there back

FOS:Pali I'll be making sure you not going to kill me :(

I think it is possible for Mafia to be Mafia again this game, since the roles were given out at random. There could easily be a someone playing scum a second time. (Though chance might not be in favor of it) Pali's accusations can be taken as throwing suspicion on others, but as with everything else in this RVS, it should be taken with a grain of salt.

lol This is a very brutal start, so many Votes and FOS.

[Pali]

What ? What? too diplomatic????? last game my strategy was to PLAY IT LIKE A TOWNIE!!! , this time i can safely say i am a townie because why would TPTB make me mafia twice, that would make the game way to easy for returning members. Plus I only put that to begin the game because how can we find out about anybody if we are too busy pointing fingers at people who are probably innocent

but i do find it suspicious that you went into this game pointing fingers to so many people ans basically saying your watching everybody , that sounds like someone who wants to keep people off there back

FOS:Pali I'll be making sure you not going to kill me :(

Yeah I could expect this reaction.........but I voted for you just because I wanted to do something. And that may lead to some serious evidence.
But I think you easily can be mafia. Role assignements were totally random, so there is exact the same chance for you to be mafia as anybody else, no matter what you were last time. But don´t wory I´ll take my vote away when there will be chance of you being lynched for this silly reason.
But I hope you are not mafia, you seem so sweet and I would like to trust you :) *shaking head and telling to myself "you can´t be like that - trust can kill you here"*

But you are right about one thing I want to keep people off my back - mafia goons.

[Blur 26]

Looks like things have officially started!
So judging by the story. It appears the SK is a shooter of some sort. Any ideas of who that could be?
And who could have robbed the museum?

[fantom zoner]

I knew it!!! :mad: I knew everyone would be suspicious of me. I don't think there is anything I could do, except roleclaiming, and even that could be a lie, to get you to trust me. It's okay. Since I'm a 100% innocent this time (honest to god), I think it's good we are all more suspicious this time around.

All I can say in my defense is that the odds of me being Mafia again are lower than the former townies being scum this time.
Anyway, since no one can be trusted (trust me I know :p), I'm giving FOS to all of you. :lol:
It's quite amazing how from a townie's point of view, any post can look suspicious. I'm watching you guys...

[jpfort1957]

1) It seems that the person setting up the laptop and projector is someone that wouldn't look out of place at the school.
2) As Josh already said, the SK must be a shooter.
3) During the High School days there were a few meteor freak students & teachers.
4) Is it safe to say that there was no Oliver Queen or Tess Mercer at Smallville High?? And Lois only attended school a few weeks before graduation??

[LordOnox]

Serial Killer = Shooter = Van McNulty from Extinction. Am I right? Do I get a prize for figuring it out? :D

[Pali]

Serial Killer = Shooter = Van McNulty from Extinction. Am I right? Do I get a prize for figuring it out? :D

Yes he is my guess for Serial Killer too.

[super_j_man]

I knew it!!! :mad: I knew everyone would be suspicious of me. I don't think there is anything I could do, except roleclaiming, and even that could be a lie, to get you to trust me. It's okay. Since I'm a 100% innocent this time (honest to god), I think it's good we are all more suspicious this time around.

All I can say in my defense is that the odds of me being Mafia again are lower than the former townies being scum this time.
Anyway, since no one can be trusted (trust me I know :p), I'm giving FOS to all of you. :lol:
It's quite amazing how from a townie's point of view, any post can look suspicious. I'm watching you guys...
Whoa, hold on there. No need to overreact, I'm the only one with a vote on you and it's not even serious.

Statistics can be misleading. There is always a chance that someone could be scum twice in a row. As Matt and Pali have already said, the role selections are RANDOM. Anyone could just as likely be scum as town.

Do you have a reason to FOS everybody? Or is it just random? Surely everyone isn't scum.

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1) It seems that the person setting up the laptop and projector is someone that wouldn't look out of place at the school.
2) As Josh already said, the SK must be a shooter.
3) During the High School days there were a few meteor freak students & teachers.
4) Is it safe to say that there was no Oliver Queen or Tess Mercer at Smallville High?? And Lois only attended school a few weeks before graduation??
Since the first game was Seasons 5 and beyond, I'm sure this one will include characters from Seasons 1-4 (hence high school days). Don't forget about Lionel Luthor and Morgan Edge who were around during the high school days. But let's don't dwell too much on this. It's meaningless and doesn't help us to discover who is scum and who isn't.

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Serial Killer = Shooter = Van McNulty from Extinction. Am I right? Do I get a prize for figuring it out? :D
Possibly. Nope. :p

[fantom zoner]

Okay, I already have a list of suspects :lol:. One of the people who already posted has got to be scum.

Jess- for now, not too suspicious, but can't say
Clair- Too much fluff. Got my eye on you. :p
John-something fishy about him.
Onox- Would say he looks okay, but I trust no one
Skully- Hmm...
Pali- What can I say. It's hard imaginig him going from Clark to scum, but for all I know, he's on redK ;)
Lydia- If I can reform, so can she :p we'll see
Diana- Can't decide
Christine- Waiting for more
Josh-The odds of him being the SK are slim, but can be mafia. I want to hear more from him

I hope I didn't miss anyone. Basically it's all about hunches now. Something is bothering me when it comes to Clair and John, and possibly Skully . It's only the begining, so we'll see. It will be interesting to see if my initial hunches were anywhere close to the truth

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Whoa, hold on there. No need to overreact, I'm the only one with a vote on you and it's not even serious.

Statistics can be misleading. There is always a chance that someone could be scum twice in a row. As Matt and Pali have already said, the role selections are RANDOM. Anyone could just as likely be scum as town.

Do you have a reason to FOS everybody? Or is it just random? Surely everyone isn't scum.



Was only joking. Don't take me too seriously. :D

[super_j_man]

What ? What? too diplomatic????? last game my strategy was to PLAY IT LIKE A TOWNIE!!!
So what will your strategy be this game then?


but i do find it suspicious that you went into this game pointing fingers to so many people ans basically saying your watching everybody , that sounds like someone who wants to keep people off there back
You do? His FOS's were clearly jokes. And what's wrong with keeping your eye on everybody? Technically that's what we all should do, especially since we don't know much about anybody at this point.

I find it strange that Lydia quickly overrules the idea that she could be scum again with faulty logic, given that she's played "real life" mafia more than once before. FOS: Lydia

[LordOnox]

Okay, I already have a list of suspects :lol:. One of the people who already posted has got to be scum.

Jess- for now, not too suspicious, but can't say
Clair- Too much fluff. Got my eye on you. :p
John-something fishy about him.
Onox- Would say he looks okay, but I trust no one
Skully- Hmm...
Pali- What can I say. It's hard imaginig him going from Clark to scum, but for all I know, he's on redK ;)
Lydia- If I can reform, so can she :p we'll see
Diana- Can't decide
Christine- Waiting for more
Josh-The odds of him being the SK are slim, but can be mafia. I want to hear more from him

I hope I didn't miss anyone. Basically it's all about hunches now. Something is bothering me when it comes to Clair and John, and possibly Skully . It's only the begining, so we'll see. It will be interesting to see if my initial hunches were anywhere close to the truth

lol that was fast. I've thought a bit about suspects, but not enough to make a list yet.

[super_j_man]

Was only joking. Don't take me too seriously. :D
Fair enough. Just be careful when you "joke" around. ;)

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John-something fishy about him.
Maybe he's been sleeping with the fishes! :p:lol: (inside joke)

[SuperKyptonGirl13]

Yeah I could expect this reaction.........but I voted for you just because I wanted to do something. And that may lead to some serious evidence.
But I think you easily can be mafia. Role assignements were totally random, so there is exact the same chance for you to be mafia as anybody else, no matter what you were last time. But don´t wory I´ll take my vote away when there will be chance of you being lynched for this silly reason.
But I hope you are not mafia, you seem so sweet and I would like to trust you :) *shaking head and telling to myself "you can´t be like that - trust can kill you here"*

But you are right about one thing I want to keep people off my back - mafia goons.
Toche, they are random , but i just wouldn't want to assume that people are mafia , just because they have been in before , like a lot of people have already put FZ on there list , but he may not be mafia this game i know everyone is just starting so it's probably just to get the ball rolling so i i understand that you were just trying to get in the game.

I'll go ahead ans take the FOS away , but still IGMEOY for safe keeping

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Fair enough. Just be careful when you "joke" around. ;)

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Maybe he's been sleeping with the fishes! :p:lol: (inside joke)


and why sir would you say that :lol:

[LordOnox]

Maybe he's been sleeping with the fishes! :p:lol: (inside joke)

:rotfl:

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So we don't have Jeff this time, to do all those massive data posts. Because of this, unless there is one person who would act the same as he did, we are all going to have to work together to collect data as the game goes on. I've already started noting down votes/FOS/small comments...etc. It would be a lot easier to make these notes as they happen, instead of deciding to do it 30 pages into the thread. Just something to think about.

[super_j_man]

and why sir would you say that :lol:
That's why I put the "(inside joke)" after I said it so everyone was clear where I was going with this.

BTW, when I told FZ to be "careful" when you joke around, I meant be careful when you say something as a joke that may not be interpreted as a joke. Like if I say: "FZ was scum last game so that means she is scum this game". That would be me joking but someone may take me as serious if I don't clarify.

[SuperKyptonGirl13]

So what will your strategy be this game then?



I find it strange that Lydia quickly overrules the idea that she could be scum again with faulty logic, given that she's played "real life" mafia more than once before. FOS: Lydia

to your second comment read my last post, sometimes when i feel i need to defend myself, i forgo logic , but that was mostly a reaction, i sort of explan why i had that reaction in my last post

i have no idea what my strategy is , i'll admit i'm not sure how i'll play the game this time , last time i didn't really know how i was going to play going in , i just went with it and that happened, this time i know more about palying it online , but i'm not sure how i'll play it

EBWOP:i remember that , that's why i put :lol: by it :)

[fantom zoner]

lol that was fast. I've thought a bit about suspects, but not enough to make a list yet.

I thought I'd start early. Cant hurt :lol:


Fair enough. Just be careful when you "joke" around. ;)

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Maybe he's been sleeping with the fishes! :p:lol: (inside joke)

Aren't you the one involved with fishes? ;)
By the way, I like your question to Lydia about her strategy this game. Would love to hear other people's take on that

[super_j_man]

So we don't have Jeff this time, to do all those massive data posts. Because of this, unless there is one person who would act the same as he did, we are all going to have to work together to collect data as the game goes on. I've already started noting down votes/FOS/small comments...etc. It would be a lot easier to make these notes as they happen, instead of deciding to do it 30 pages into the thread. Just something to think about.
Suggestion:The problem I had with Jeff's "lists" is that he pretty much gave the scum a hit list. If I decipher that "player X" is the most trustworthy among us, I just painted a target on his/her back. Make the scum find their own information and we'll just each have to make our own inferences. I'm not saying you can't do analysis posts, but just be careful about what information you could potentially hand over to the scum. Make sense?

[LordOnox]

Suggestion:The problem I had with Jeff's "lists" is that he pretty much gave the scum a hit list. If I decipher that "player X" is the most trustworthy among us, I just painted a target on his/her back. Make the scum find their own information and we'll just each have to make our own inferences. I'm not saying you can't do analysis posts, but just be careful about what information you could potentially hand over to the scum. Make sense?

That was a hilarious moment when you brought up the hit list after last game. :lol:

I do agree, we should try to stay away from that type of information. Especially the trustworthy stuff. It will be fine to mention that you trust certain people, but to have a general list of who the town trusts most... :eek: Not good.

[fantom zoner]

Suggestion:The problem I had with Jeff's "lists" is that he pretty much gave the scum a hit list. If I decipher that "player X" is the most trustworthy among us, I just painted a target on his/her back. Make the scum find their own information and we'll just each have to make our own inferences. I'm not saying you can't do analysis posts, but just be careful about what information you could potentially hand over to the scum. Make sense?

Assuming you are innocent, how assrse we, who have no idea about the others (except those with powers) like the mafia does, are supposed to collaborate?

[super_j_man]

Assuming you are innocent, how assrse we, who have no idea about the others (except those with powers) like the mafia does, are supposed to collaborate?
Don't misunderstand what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss, theorize and "scumhunt" but let's not make a "mass list" of most trusted or anything that will guide the scum nightkills. Here's what Jeff did that I didn't like: He asked everybody to form a trust list and then compiled the data into one long list. So what's the problem with it? Trust can misplaced and misdirected and it also says to the scum, "hey let's get rid of all the "most trusted" players (that aren't scum) so they'll be stuck with players they distrust". All I'm saying is let's be cautious.

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EBWOP: Trust can be misplaced and....

[fantom zoner]

Don't misunderstand what I'm trying to say. I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss, theorize and "scumhunt" but let's not make a "mass list" of most trusted or anything that will guide the scum nightkills. Here's what Jeff did that I didn't like: He asked everybody to form a trust list and then compiled the data into one long list. So what's the problem with it? Trust can misplaced and misdirected and it also says to the scum, "hey let's get rid of all the "most trusted" players (that aren't scum) so they'll be stuck with players they distrust". All I'm saying is let's be cautious.

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EBWOP: Trust can be misplaced and....

I get what you're saying, and I basically agree, but I don't think they really need the list. They can see where "the wind is blowing" so to speak. They can figure out by themselves who we trust and who is more suspicious, just by reading our posts

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

What ? What? too diplomatic????? last game my strategy was to PLAY IT LIKE A TOWNIE!!! , this time i can safely say i am a townie because why would TPTB make me mafia twice, that would make the game way to easy for returning members. Plus I only put that to begin the game because how can we find out about anybody if we are too busy pointing fingers at people who are probably innocent

but i do find it suspicious that you went into this game pointing fingers to so many people ans basically saying your watching everybody , that sounds like someone who wants to keep people off there back

FOS:Pali I'll be making sure you not going to kill me :(

But the way you played it last time, without voting for anyone in our time of need wasn't very townie. If the spotlight hadn't been on me, and then Claire, you would have been the next one to be lynched:p

So your plan this time would be??:lol: And since the roles are assigned randomly, there's always the chance you could be mafia again.


I think it is possible for Mafia to be Mafia again this game, since the roles were given out at random. There could easily be a someone playing scum a second time. (Though chance might not be in favor of it) Pali's accusations can be taken as throwing suspicion on others, but as with everything else in this RVS, it should be taken with a grain of salt.

lol This is a very brutal start, so many Votes and FOS.


Exactly.

And this is very brutal, but it looks like there's a lot less fluff this game, and that's why we're only 2 pages in. But that's a good thing:p

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I knew it!!! :mad: I knew everyone would be suspicious of me. I don't think there is anything I could do, except roleclaiming, and even that could be a lie, to get you to trust me. It's okay. Since I'm a 100% innocent this time (honest to god), I think it's good we are all more suspicious this time around.

All I can say in my defense is that the odds of me being Mafia again are lower than the former townies being scum this time.
Anyway, since no one can be trusted (trust me I know :p), I'm giving FOS to all of you. :lol:
It's quite amazing how from a townie's point of view, any post can look suspicious. I'm watching you guys...

:lol: I wouldn't take it so seriously to suggest roleclaiming. One vote won't do anything.

But the chances are still there right?:p

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Okay, I already have a list of suspects :lol:. One of the people who already posted has got to be scum.

Jess- for now, not too suspicious, but can't say
Clair- Too much fluff. Got my eye on you. :p
John-something fishy about him.
Onox- Would say he looks okay, but I trust no one
Skully- Hmm...
Pali- What can I say. It's hard imaginig him going from Clark to scum, but for all I know, he's on redK ;)
Lydia- If I can reform, so can she :p we'll see
Diana- Can't decide
Christine- Waiting for more
Josh-The odds of him being the SK are slim, but can be mafia. I want to hear more from him

I hope I didn't miss anyone. Basically it's all about hunches now. Something is bothering me when it comes to Clair and John, and possibly Skully . It's only the begining, so we'll see. It will be interesting to see if my initial hunches were anywhere close to the truth


:lol: Already??
But I guess since the majority of your "suspicions" basically are "I don't know", it makes sense..

(I'll be back later, going to watch last night's ep of SV)

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Yikes! This thread was made yesterday and it's already on page three :eek:

Okay, somehow, instant voting, when we don't REALLY have sufficient evidence, is kind of too posthaste here. But I'm not voting for anyone, just yet.

And FZ I have my eye on you too, dear ;)

[doodie8808]

But what target is set and how are we getting it off are backs? Voting for someone doesn't mean that you still can't be "targeted". If anything, it makes us more of a target.

But voting for someone just randomly seems suspecious im my eye. And there is always a target in this game.

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

But voting for someone just randomly seems suspecious im my eye. And there is always a target in this game.

I totally agree with you Christine. Random voting isn't really a good thing. It makes the suspicion level towards instant voters, escalate real high here! We should, at least, find potential evidence first, then make our deciding votes ;)

[Karafan1]

I am new to the game so I won't vote unless I have evidence!!!

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Great thinking Jim-dear! It's better to get evidence first, then do the votes ;)

[fantom zoner]

If last game is any indication, those not voting were just trying to stay out of the line of fire, seeming innocent and not wanting to hurt anyone. They don't have to worry, they can kill during the night. So again, FOS to you, and maybe you too Christine. :p I'm gonna let Jim slide, cause it's his first game.
Not saying that it proves anything, just that not voting does not mean anything either. And all of us playing earlier know that

[hughie87]

Hey guys........so the ball is rolling......good.
From the story so far i can tell that Chloe is in the game..........she along with other 19 characters received email so she´s in the game IMO.

And Lol...you actually started with voting :D Ok I´ll vote too

Vote: Lydia

She is too diplomatic.............looking for an evidence??? You were looking for an evidence all the time last game without pointing fingers.........that´s what alibistic mafia goons do :D

Also FOS: FZ I don´t trust you already ;)

Also FOS: Summer Just because you have so lovely name..........it´s suspicious :lol:

And I´m giving IGMEOY to everybody else, I will be very careful with giving my trust to anybody.

I never knew my name could get me into trouble!! :lol: Well, right back at you, bud! Just because yours starts with a P! :p Thank you, by the way.

I know I'm new to this game, but I have to agree with a few other people about the RVS. Maybe I'm too Disney with the 'If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all' but that's just how I see things. I know it's to put people of the defensive and a very useful discernment technique, but if we want to get rid of the scum we have to stick together and not point fingers so quickly. Either way, I still don't see enough to make me suspicious yet, but I'm watching.

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

I never knew my name could get me into trouble!! :lol: Well, right back at you, bud! Just because yours starts with a P! :p Thank you, by the way.

I know I'm new to this game, but I have to agree with a few other people about the RVS. Maybe I'm too Disney with the 'If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all' but that's just how I see things. I know it's to put people of the defensive and a very useful discernment technique, but if we want to get rid of the scum we have to stick together and not point fingers so quickly. Either way, I still don't see enough to make me suspicious yet, but I'm watching.

I agree 100% Summer :) It's not a good idea to "point fingers" in a posthaste action. So I'm not even going to take part in the RVS deal, because we don't know if those, who have been already voted for, are actually townies or scums. Let's try and build up more evidence FIRST! ;)

Oh Summer? I need you to help me with the karaoke DVD's here... Can you lend me a hand, sweetie? :)

[doodie8808]

If last game is any indication, those not voting were just trying to stay out of the line of fire, seeming innocent and not wanting to hurt anyone. They don't have to worry, they can kill during the night. So again, FOS to you, and maybe you too Christine. :p I'm gonna let Jim slide, cause it's his first game.
Not saying that it proves anything, just that not voting does not mean anything either. And all of us playing earlier know that

I never said i was not going to vote but for me doing it so early without any really evidence seems weird to me. The fact that it seemsyou assumed i was not voting puts you on watch from me as well. You can learn the mistakes from last game but to go into the mind set of thinking every game will be the same is unfair imo. I am learning from my takes last time to but also know that this is totally new. Voting without evidence can also be a strive if you vote out the wrong people. Something I learned the HARD way several times last game which is why i am taking my time to sort before just throwing stones.

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Again real evidence before i make a choice is how i am going.

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I totally agree with you Christine. Random voting isn't really a good thing. It makes the suspicion level towards instant voters, escalate real high here! We should, at least, find potential evidence first, then make our deciding votes ;)

I agree i am using the mistakes i made last time in a better wau but also knowing that each game is different. It is a fine line to walk but you got to do it to be fair and just in your final decisions. I hate being unsure.

[hughie87]

I agree 100% Summer :) It's not a good idea to "point fingers" in a posthaste action. So I'm not even going to take part in the RVS deal, because we don't know if those, who have been already voted for, are actually townies or scums. Let's try and build up more evidence FIRST! ;)

Oh Summer? I need you to help me with the karaoke DVD's here... Can you lend me a hand, sweetie? :)


Ooooooh! Karaoke, right up my alley! Sure thing, Claire! :)

[LordOnox]

lol It's not fun watching you guys "fight" with each other. I agree on both points really. I am more with voting just so we can do something and possibly help create evidence. I do understand why some people are against random voting. But there is no risk in it, it is only Day 1 and I doubt we are going to even lynch anyway.

And I see Christine's point about learning from our mistakes. I for one will try to stay away from those lynchs that I "think" are good choices. We need to redeem ourselves, we must lynch a scum, even if it's just one and the Vigilante takes care of the rest. (We really failed at lynching last game :\)

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

lol It's not fun watching you guys "fight" with each other. I agree on both points really. I am more with voting just so we can do something and possibly help create evidence. I do understand why some people are against random voting. But there is no risk in it, it is only Day 1 and I doubt we are going to even lynch anyway.

And I see Christine's point about learning from our mistakes. I for one will try to stay away from those lynchs that I "think" are good choices. We need to redeem ourselves, we must lynch a scum, even if it's just one and the Vigilante takes care of the rest. (We really failed at lynching last game :\)

My fellow Ontarian, you pulled a great point there. I just think that we, the "townies" must get evidence first. I would hate it, if we lost a fellow townie here :\ Lynching a scum is a must, we need the Vigilante to make sure that we are on the same page in this world, with each other, as liberating townies. I don't want to risk getting one of my townie pals kicking the bucket here. No no, we definitely don't need that here... :\

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

lol It's not fun watching you guys "fight" with each other. I agree on both points really. I am more with voting just so we can do something and possibly help create evidence. I do understand why some people are against random voting. But there is no risk in it, it is only Day 1 and I doubt we are going to even lynch anyway.

And I see Christine's point about learning from our mistakes. I for one will try to stay away from those lynchs that I "think" are good choices. We need to redeem ourselves, we must lynch a scum, even if it's just one and the Vigilante takes care of the rest. (We really failed at lynching last game :\)

See.. I'm kinda thinking that the first day we're probably going to end up with a no lynch.
This is because we have no idea of anything going on right now.

I'd hold on to belief that we learn more after each night, but that got me lynched last time. :eek: So... I'm going to think things through a lot more this time

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

See.. I'm kinda thinking that the first day we're probably going to end up with a no lynch.
This is because we have no idea of anything going on right now.

I'd hold on to belief that we learn more after each night, but that got me lynched last time. :eek: So... I'm going to think things through a lot more this time

I agree with you D-Girl. This time, I'm going to put my best effort in finding clues here. Ugh, I'll do my best not let my fellow townies this time, like I did the last round :\

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

My fellow Ontarian, you pulled a great point there. I just think that we, the "townies" must get evidence first. I would hate it, if we lost a fellow townie here :\ Lynching a scum is a must, we need the Vigilante to make sure that we are on the same page in this world, with each other, as liberating townies. I don't want to risk getting one of my townie pals kicking the bucket here. No no, we definitely don't need that here... :\

Also a good point. I'm going to withdraw my vote eventually, because I have no real proof. And I'm going to use it on someone I truly believe is scum. You can never prove something, only disprove it.

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Also a good point. I'm going to withdraw my vote eventually, because I have no real proof. And I'm going to use it on someone I truly believe is scum. You can never prove something, only disprove it.

It would only break my heart, real badly, if we in a fast action, already lost one of our townies. No, evidence first, people! Then decide the vote.

[hughie87]

I have nothing to add except "Exactly." to both you gals.

[doodie8808]

lol It's not fun watching you guys "fight" with each other. I agree on both points really. I am more with voting just so we can do something and possibly help create evidence. I do understand why some people are against random voting. But there is no risk in it, it is only Day 1 and I doubt we are going to even lynch anyway.

And I see Christine's point about learning from our mistakes. I for one will try to stay away from those lynchs that I "think" are good choices. We need to redeem ourselves, we must lynch a scum, even if it's just one and the Vigilante takes care of the rest. (We really failed at lynching last game :\)

FAiled MATT we faceplamed and drowned in liquid Green K:\

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We need to start asking questions so i will ask first, Based on sole coments so far how is everyone feeling about each other on a scale from one -ten?

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

To be honest, I have no idea how to answer your question Christine.

All my suspicions are residual from the last game, and this game is completely independent of that one. I need to first get everyone on neutral ground, and then start separating them.

[doodie8808]

I understand but we need a true starting point in getting to the truth

[hughie87]

FAiled MATT we faceplamed and drowned in liquid Green K:\

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We need to start asking questions so i will ask first, Based on sole coments so far how is everyone feeling about each other on a scale from one -ten?

That doesn't sound very positive, Christine! :lol:

Since this is all new for me and nothing has really started yet, I'm going to go with a good healthy 6. But this is likely to drop as we go along. :\

[doodie8808]

It will def drop right now im at five half ok but still on my guard and yes that was not positive Summer but seriously we did that and worse. I will not let that happen to me againg now that i have gotten another shot.

[hughie87]

There's the spirit! I'm sure if we all stick together and to do some real good detective work, we'll ferret out the scum and keep our little town safe!

[Degobunny]

hey guys...so it looks like everyone is being really careful about lynching people so far.

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

There's the spirit! I'm sure if we all stick together and to do some real good detective work, we'll ferret out the scum and keep our little town safe!

Couldn't agree with ya more Summer! We'll screw those scums out of the ground, and send them to the oblivion, they DO NOT want to end up in :lol:;)

[doodie8808]

Well they totally screwd us before so.... but im positive!

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Well they totally screwd us before so.... but im positive!

Oh I know you are! I hated what those scum did to us townies the last round :mad:

[LordOnox]

Oh I know you are! I hated what those scum did to us townies the last round :mad:

*Looks over at FZ* :mad:;):lol: We did REALLY fail, a lot my fault because I trusted a certain person *Looks back at FZ* way too much. (No hard feelings btw, I just can't get over that major twist that you were not just scum, but the most important one. :eek:)

So just for reference, as of now I will probably be voting No Lynch later in the Day, but starting Day 2, no holding back. The night should leave us with enough to look at. At least I can only hope.

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Nah, there's no hard feelings at all in this game, ladies and gents ;)

Okay, Summer and Christine? I need some help getting the discs ready here. Matt? Can you see about hooking the karaoke machine for me, please? :)

[LordOnox]

lol Since there is nothing really going on now... *Looks for a plug for Karaoke Machine* So when will Lois and Chloe start singing? That did happen in Season 4, which is part of this game! :D

[fantom zoner]

*Looks over at FZ* :mad:;):lol: We did REALLY fail, a lot my fault because I trusted a certain person *Looks back at FZ* way too much. (No hard feelings btw, I just can't get over that major twist that you were not just scum, but the most important one. :eek:)

So just for reference, as of now I will probably be voting No Lynch later in the Day, but starting Day 2, no holding back. The night should leave us with enough to look at. At least I can only hope.

:lol: I'm looking at me my self. I don't blame you. I can't even trust myself :lol:.
Seriously though, I don't believe all the scum are those who haven't been here yet, so it makes one of us scum. I really don't know how to show you I'm innocent this time, but I really am. I'm not going to roleclaim caue it's not in the town's best interest, but I'm going to do whatever I can to find the real scum. If I have to step on some toes on the way, then so be it. We can't be too nice to eachother. It won't get us very far. And I say that in the nicest way possible :p

[LordOnox]

lol Don't worry FZ, I am neutral towards you at the moment. I want to trust you, because you showed last game that you can be very helpful. You shouldn't have anything to worry about. As long as your intentions are true, you should be fine.
And maybe you can help me hook the Karaoke Machine up? lol Claire has been planning this since before the game even started. And I want some Chlo-Lo singing!

[fantom zoner]

lol Don't worry FZ, I am neutral towards you at the moment. I want to trust you, because you showed last game that you can be very helpful. You shouldn't have anything to worry about. As long as your intentions are true, you should be fine.


My intentions are true. Being on this side, makes you desperately want to trust someone, cause you don't know anything. It was a lot easier before, which is something I knew then, but appreciate it a lot more now.



And maybe you can help me hook the Karaoke Machine up? lol Claire has been planning this since before the game even started. And I want some Chlo-Lo singing!

Done. Pfftt, this has taken you way too long...:lol: Can we start the singing now? :)

[LordOnox]

My intentions are true. Being on this side, makes you desperately want to trust someone, cause you don't know anything. It was a lot easier before, which is something I knew then, but appreciate it a lot more now.


Done. Pfftt, this has taken you way too long...:lol: Can we start the singing now? :)

lol Now you know how the townies felt. It was so frustrating knowing that I was innocent, but nobody else knowing that for sure. Makes you wonder what is more difficult, hiding from the town as the Godfather, or trying to convince everyone to trust you and trying to trust somebody else. (Once we finish this game, the scum from last game could weigh in how it was being townies this time.) Hopefully in the next few Days, we can both see how trustworthy each other is, and maybe work together for real this time. Instead of me thinking we were working together and you using me. :rotfl:

lol Yay! I think we should open with SOMEBODY SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVE ME!

(I think I might be doing a lot of fluff/useless posting lol, I feel kind of bad. I'm just so happy we are playing again that I can't stop.)

[fantom zoner]

lol Now you know how the townies felt. It was so frustrating knowing that I was innocent, but nobody else knowing that for sure. Makes you wonder what is more difficult, hiding from the town as the Godfather, or trying to convince everyone to trust you and trying to trust somebody else. (Once we finish this game, the scum from last game could weigh in how it was being townies this time.) Hopefully in the next few Days, we can both see how trustworthy each other is, and maybe work together for real this time. Instead of me thinking we were working together and you using me. :rotfl:

lol Yay! I think we should open with SOMEBODY SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVE ME!

(I think I might be doing a lot of fluff/useless posting lol, I feel kind of bad. I'm just so happy we are playing again that I can't stop.)

Trying to keep the fluff to minimum *joins in on the song* ;)
That's a nice idea. I want to trust you so badly. I just hope you're not the one using me. This game is going to make me paranoid :lol:

[LordOnox]

I'm not sure how much this will mean right now, because we are just starting, but you can trust me. As you probably saw in my posts last game, I am all about uniting the town together, putting aside any small suspicions and going after who we agree are the biggest suspects. I really don't expect this to happen any time soon, give it until around Day 3, and we will probably find us both trusting each other.

I will get going now, so everyone else can have a chance to post more. When I return tomorrow, I hope to not find everyone killing each other. XD

[SGuthrie27]

Hey there, friends -- looks like you have gotten things off to a rockin' start already! I thought I'd just swing by and give you all the voting update for your viewing pleasure. I don't really have any advice for the time being, as the majority of folks who have done most of the talking have been the veteran players (the ones who were here last game) and the newbies who have posted seem to be fitting right in. :)

Day 1 Vote Tally:

FZ: 1 (Jess)
Jess: 2 (Matt, Steve)
Josh: 1 (Diana)
Lydia: 1 (Pali)

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch. Day 1 deadline is 11/19 @ 10 PM CST!

[Pali]

I agree with all of you who say that we should investigate first and not lynch for no reasons. I still think there will be a No Lynch this first day so I guess that votes already cast mean no harm to people.
One problem I have with investigation is that at this stage I really don´t know which questions should I ask? Percentage of trust can be possibly dangerous for townies as Jess already said and to ask people why they did what they did, hoping we push them into corner are not an option here (because we actually didn´t do anything but RVS voting till now - well except pluging in karaoke machine :)).
So guys do you have any question that could gather some valuable information for us? I don´t have any good, but I try this one: Do you feel that you are in bigger danger than other players? I know it´s not helpful question, but I really don´t know what to ask.
Also people who didn´t post till now please post. To know everyone´s opinion is vital for townies to win.

[fantom zoner]

Pali, I think the newbies really don't know what to say. We are just throwing accusations all over the place, and we don't have any solid information. So maybe, they are just trying to figure it out. Some of them may be scum, and that would even make it harder for them to know what is the right thing to do.
To answer your question, I do feel like I'm in a bit more danger than others, maybe cause people think I was clever enough in the last game. Let me assure you people: I'm lost in this one :o.
I do want people to start talking so we can get a feel of things.

[skully]

Well, I could accuse you all, but given I have absolutely nothing to go on, it all appears a bit pointless. :D

[Pali]

Pali, I think the newbies really don't know what to say. We are just throwing accusations all over the place, and we don't have any solid information. So maybe, they are just trying to figure it out. Some of them may be scum, and that would even make it harder for them to know what is the right thing to do.
To answer your question, I do feel like I'm in a bit more danger than others, maybe cause people think I was clever enough in the last game. Let me assure you people: I'm lost in this one :o.
I do want people to start talking so we can get a feel of things.

Don´t worry........at least I don´t think you are more suspicious than any other player and I gave you FoS just for do something. I don´t suspect Lydia or you more than anybody else at the moment.
And I think there won´t be any hard evidence till day two.

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hey guys...so it looks like everyone is being really careful about lynching people so far.

Yeah people are really careful now. I think it´s a good thing for now, but I hope that with game progression we will be more willing to take risk.

[skully]

Hehehe. How sad that in Game 1 we basically lynched all the townies via silly and poorly reasoned insecurities. Very poor form. :(

[fantom zoner]

Hehehe. How sad that in Game 1 we basically lynched all the townies via silly and poorly reasoned insecurities. Very poor form. :(
I actually found it quite funny :p
I don't think towards the end we lynched based on poor logic. It just goes to show that it is not that hard to trick logic here. I could say anything, as long as I was very careful not to make a mistake.

[Mars Investigations]

Hey guys, sorry for my late arrival! But I'm here now and ready to get stuck in!

Having read through what's been said so far, I think there's been a lot of negativity going around about the possible results of a Day 1 lynch. So far I've seen people worry about killing one of us townies or being concerned about accusing someone without rock solid proof, but I don't think anyone has actually mentioned the fact that we could actually take out one of the mafia scum right away! Day 1 is a good a time as any to take out the enemy - just because we have limited intel to go on, doesn't mean we should let the bad guys slip through into Day 2! It does mean, though, that we have to be a little sharper with our deductions ;)

With that in mind, I'm gonna throw a FOS to Anne-Claire and the other Matt. They both seem very keen to make themselves seem harmless, nice, and trustworthy, so that makes me wonder what they're trying to hide.

[Degobunny]

Yeah people are really careful now. I think it´s a good thing for now, but I hope that with game progression we will be more willing to take risk.
we shall see so far no one looks suspecious to me.

[LordOnox]

I agree with all of you who say that we should investigate first and not lynch for no reasons. I still think there will be a No Lynch this first day so I guess that votes already cast mean no harm to people.
One problem I have with investigation is that at this stage I really don´t know which questions should I ask? Percentage of trust can be possibly dangerous for townies as Jess already said and to ask people why they did what they did, hoping we push them into corner are not an option here (because we actually didn´t do anything but RVS voting till now - well except pluging in karaoke machine :)).
So guys do you have any question that could gather some valuable information for us? I don´t have any good, but I try this one: Do you feel that you are in bigger danger than other players? I know it´s not helpful question, but I really don´t know what to ask.
Also people who didn´t post till now please post. To know everyone´s opinion is vital for townies to win.

Ya I'm not sure what questions to ask either. To answer yours as best as I can: I'd say I feel the same way as I did last game, which is pretty neutral. Some of the stuff I say could possibly be taken the wrong way, and at any point could lead me to being a target. But I feel secure.

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Don´t worry........at least I don´t think you are more suspicious than any other player and I gave you FoS just for do something. I don´t suspect Lydia or you more than anybody else at the moment.
And I think there won´t be any hard evidence till day two.

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Yeah people are really careful now. I think it´s a good thing for now, but I hope that with game progression we will be more willing to take risk.

Risk is needed. While I am against voting the first day, if there is enough evidence against someone, I will probably be pushing for a lynch in Day 2. The sooner we lynch the Godfather/Serial Killer, or even any other scum, the sooner we can start winning.

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I actually found it quite funny
I don't think towards the end we lynched based on poor logic. It just goes to show that it is not that hard to trick logic here. I could say anything, as long as I was very careful not to make a mistake.

Yep! I felt the logic for my last two votes was perfect, especially when I led to Claire's lynch. :( It just so happened that everything added up the wrong way, and her actions seemed logical of a scum. Diana's was not as logical, it was down to her or Spiros, I just went with who I felt the rest of the town would be against. But Jeff saved us that night. So the lesson: While a choice can be very logical, you never know if it is just false evidence pointing towards someone innocent.

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Hey guys, sorry for my late arrival! But I'm here now and ready to get stuck in!

Having read through what's been said so far, I think there's been a lot of negativity going around about the possible results of a Day 1 lynch. So far I've seen people worry about killing one of us townies or being concerned about accusing someone without rock solid proof, but I don't think anyone has actually mentioned the fact that we could actually take out one of the mafia scum right away! Day 1 is a good a time as any to take out the enemy - just because we have limited intel to go on, doesn't mean we should let the bad guys slip through into Day 2! It does mean, though, that we have to be a little sharper with our deductions ;)

With that in mind, I'm gonna throw a FOS to Anne-Claire and the other Matt. They both seem very keen to make themselves seem harmless, nice, and trustworthy, so that makes me wonder what they're trying to hide.

As I said before to FZ, I hope in time you will be able to trust me more. I can't say that I have as much trust towards you as I do FZ(which is not much because we are only a few days into this), but from looking at your posts, you seem like you could be a very helpful player if you are on our side.

Your point about voting this Day to possibly lynch a scum is true. Every day that we fail to lynch, it's just another wasted opportunity to remove a powerful threat. I think we are going to be extra careful when it comes to voting, so we are all going to have to step it up and find those scum.

[fantom zoner]

So where is everybody? We are already a day and a half into the game and some people have not shown their faces. We really need you guys to get in here

[Mars Investigations]

Your point about voting this Day to possibly lynch a scum is true. Every day that we fail to lynch, it's just another wasted opportunity to remove a powerful threat. I think we are going to be extra careful when it comes to voting, so we are all going to have to step it up and find those scum.

Glad to see we're on the same page...I hope I come to trust you more in time, as well:) And I definitely think we should all put our head together and find our first mafia within this day. You can't beat a strong start!

[fantom zoner]

Glad to see we're on the same page...I hope I come to trust you more in time, as well:) And I definitely think we should all put our head together and find our first mafia within this day. You can't beat a strong start!

I think we all want to find a scum right at the start, but if we lynch a townie, we could end up with 3 dead townies when we start day 2, and that would be a horrible start

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I would like to ask: Who has played this game before? Any version of it

[Mars Investigations]

I think we all want to find a scum right at the start, but if we lynch a townie, we could end up with 3 dead townies when we start day 2, and that would be a horrible start

True, but that's all the more reason to make sure we lynch the right person ;)


I would like to ask: Who has played this game before? Any version of it

I played a card game version of it once, a few years ago.

[LordOnox]

I've played it a few times years ago, but nothing big, just with a small amount of people. And this will be my second time playing online.

(Towards FZ's post about maybe having 3 dead townies) That is why I don't want to lynch YET, use this day to test things out, get a feel of the people, start building evidence. After Night 1, compare your theories to the outcome, create links between the deaths and possibly suspects, post, vote, and see if anyone else agrees enough to join in.

[fantom zoner]

So, of all people who posted so far, soes anyone strike you as scum? I know we have no information, but just go with the feel of it...

[LordOnox]

So, of all people who posted so far, soes anyone strike you as scum? I know we have no information, but just go with the feel of it...

Maybe tonight I will see about posting a few names, but I would need time to think about it. I'll see what I can come up with. I think if everyone was posting it would help me get that feel, I think we still have a few people who have not posted. (If this were last game, we would be suspecting them :p)

[jpfort1957]

So, of all people who posted so far, soes anyone strike you as scum? I know we have no information, but just go with the feel of it...

There are 5 players that haven't posted as of yet.

[Pali]

To answer FZ´s question - I have never played mafia in real life and this is second time online.
It´s too soon for me to name anybody who is suspicious......maybe after 1-2 real days, when there will be more posts I will be able to identify some suspicious movements, but not now. Nobody seems sticks out for me as more suspicious than other players and that´s why I´m unvoting Lydia

Unvote: Lydia

because it wasn´t even real vote :p

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Having read through what's been said so far, I think there's been a lot of negativity going around about the possible results of a Day 1 lynch. So far I've seen people worry about killing one of us townies or being concerned about accusing someone without rock solid proof, but I don't think anyone has actually mentioned the fact that we could actually take out one of the mafia scum right away! Day 1 is a good a time as any to take out the enemy - just because we have limited intel to go on, doesn't mean we should let the bad guys slip through into Day 2! It does mean, though, that we have to be a little sharper with our deductions ;)



Well you know I would like to lynch some mafia this day, but lynching vote would be just a random guess at this stage.........but who knows maybe towards end of day one there will be something indicating someone´s guilt.

What would help now is info from PWSA who had a chance to investigate during night 0, but on the other hand it would be very unwise for them to share their knowledge now, so we have to wait and try hard.

[Blur 26]

IGMEOY: Steve




Well you know I would like to lynch some mafia this day, but lynching vote would be just a random guess at this stage.........but who knows maybe towards end of day one there will be something indicating someone´s guilt.

What would help now is info from PWSA who had a chance to investigate during night 0, but on the other hand it would be very unwise for them to share their knowledge now, so we have to wait and try hard.

Agreed. I just hope the PWSA are clever and can lead us in the right direction while
being careful at the same time. One thing I learned from last game was that our instincts
were very wrong at times. Unfortunately right now that is all we have. Something else
to keep in mind, at least to me, is that when people are asked difficult questions they
can feel pressure and tend to slip up. That happened to me during last game.

So with that in mind, I have a question for you FZ. I thought it was interesting
you made a list so early. Could this be a ploy to draw attention away from you? Or
are you really trying to get to the truth?

[Mars Investigations]

Well you know I would like to lynch some mafia this day, but lynching vote would be just a random guess at this stage.........but who knows maybe towards end of day one there will be something indicating someone´s guilt.

What would help now is info from PWSA who had a chance to investigate during night 0, but on the other hand it would be very unwise for them to share their knowledge now, so we have to wait and try hard.

Yep, we don't wanna make anyone a target for the mafia. I just hope one of the scum makes a slip-up before this day is over - it'd make our job much easier! At the moment, I only really feel suspicious of the two I gave a FOS - Matt and Anne-Claire - but even those are just hunches.

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So with that in mind, I have a question for you FZ. I thought it was interesting
you made a list so early. Could this be a ploy to draw attention away from you? Or
are you really trying to get to the truth?

Good question - I'd like to see this answered too!

[fantom zoner]

IGMEOY: Steve

So with that in mind, I have a question for you FZ. I thought it was interesting
you made a list so early. Could this be a ploy to draw attention away from you? Or
are you really trying to get to the truth?

Hey Josh, what do you think I would have to answer if I were scum? I don't think I would answer differently either way. But since I'm not scum it's even easier for me to answer that. I don't know anything about the roles here. I'm trying to get a feel, and I'm looking for patterns of behavior. I might be way off, but I'm just going by my instincts. I don't want to give the scum ideas of how to get people to trust them, but let's just say that annoying people and throwing accusations is not going to do that.

Just to make a point, everything I said could have been said by either a scum or a townie

[Blur 26]

Hey Josh, what do you think I would have to answer if I were scum? I don't think I would answer differently either way. But since I'm not scum it's even easier for me to answer that. I don't know anything about the roles here. I'm trying to get a feel, and I'm looking for patterns of behavior. I might be way off, but I'm just going by my instincts. I don't want to give the scum ideas of how to get people to trust them, but let's just say that annoying people and throwing accusations is not going to do that.

Just to make a point, everything I said could have been said by either a scum or a townie

I never said I thought you were scum, you jumped to that on you own. I just wanted
to see how you responded and it seems to me like you're getting a little defensive.
Maybe you would have answered the same either way, but maybe not.
Like you said, right now I'm trying to do the same and get a feel for everything. Not
saying I think you're scum, but who knows.

[fantom zoner]

I never said I thought you were scum, you jumped to that on you own. I just wanted
to see how you responded and it seems to me like you're getting a little defensive.
Maybe you would have answered the same either way, but maybe not.
Like you said, right now I'm trying to do the same and get a feel for everything. Not
saying I think you're scum, but who knows.

This was not a defensive response. I just wanted to show you all, that a person can write anything and you can look at it from any point of view you want. Untill people actually start doing things, those of us who are pointing fingers and blaming eachother will be the most suspicious ones. I know it's not helping, but I'm just saying

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

I understand but we need a true starting point in getting to the truth

In that case... I'm going to have to go with.. about 6? or 5 1/2.

[Pali]

This was not a defensive response. I just wanted to show you all, that a person can write anything and you can look at it from any point of view you want. Untill people actually start doing things, those of us who are pointing fingers and blaming eachother will be the most suspicious ones. I know it's not helping, but I'm just saying

Well for me it doesn´t mean someone is mafia or automaticly suspicious. Accusations means digging into other´s posts, searching for truth, so it seems to me that it´s more likely for townies to throw accusations all around, and of course make mistakes because nothing is certain for them. Mafia on the other hand can easily avoid this banters, because they search just for serial killer, they can make their posts more elegant without too many accusations and therefor seem innocent. I think at least few mafia members can use this tactic - not to get into crossfire of accusations by not suspecting anyone. But it´s just my theory......maybe this mafia will behave in totally unexpected way.

EBWOP: the word should be: "therefore" not therefor
Also please excuse my grammar mistakes, I´m not native english speaker.

[Blur 26]

This was not a defensive response. I just wanted to show you all, that a person can write anything and you can look at it from any point of view you want. Untill people actually start doing things, those of us who are pointing fingers and blaming eachother will be the most suspicious ones. I know it's not helping, but I'm just saying

Yeah, I think you're pretty much right. Anyone can read any post and think what they
will. I just think the people who have things to hide can be the most touchy, but we'll
see.

One thing I think is a mistake is getting too caught up in the last game. Sure we can
all learn a few lessons from it, but this is a whole new environment this time around.
I won't hold anyone accountable for their roles from the previous game.

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Well for me it doesn´t mean someone is mafia or automaticly suspicious. Accusations means digging into other´s posts, searching for truth, so it seems to me that it´s more likely for townies to throw accusations all around, and of course make mistakes because nothing is certain for them. Mafia on the other hand can easily avoid this banters, because they search just for serial killer, they can make their posts more elegant without too many accusations and therefor seem innocent. I think at least few mafia members can use this tactic - not to get into crossfire of accusations by not suspecting anyone. But it´s just my theory......maybe this mafia will behave in totally unexpected way.

EBWOP: the word should be: "therefore" not therefor
Also please excuse my grammar mistakes, I´m not native english speaker.

Very well put here. I had not thought about this way. Come to think of it, a lot of those
who were throwing around accusations in the last game turned out to be innocent.
Especially this early in the game, that's about all we can do.

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Hey guys, sorry for my late arrival! But I'm here now and ready to get stuck in!

Having read through what's been said so far, I think there's been a lot of negativity going around about the possible results of a Day 1 lynch. So far I've seen people worry about killing one of us townies or being concerned about accusing someone without rock solid proof, but I don't think anyone has actually mentioned the fact that we could actually take out one of the mafia scum right away! Day 1 is a good a time as any to take out the enemy - just because we have limited intel to go on, doesn't mean we should let the bad guys slip through into Day 2! It does mean, though, that we have to be a little sharper with our deductions ;)

With that in mind, I'm gonna throw a FOS to Anne-Claire and the other Matt. They both seem very keen to make themselves seem harmless, nice, and trustworthy, so that makes me wonder what they're trying to hide.

The only problem with that is.. how do we know who's mafia and who's innocent. The first day we have nothing to go on. Unless of course, someone reaallly messes up and gives away their role.

[fantom zoner]

Well for me it doesn´t mean someone is mafia or automaticly suspicious. Accusations means digging into other´s posts, searching for truth, so it seems to me that it´s more likely for townies to throw accusations all around, and of course make mistakes because nothing is certain for them. Mafia on the other hand can easily avoid this banters, because they search just for serial killer, they can make their posts more elegant without too many accusations and therefor seem innocent. I think at least few mafia members can use this tactic - not to get into crossfire of accusations by not suspecting anyone. But it´s just my theory......maybe this mafia will behave in totally unexpected way.

EBWOP: the word should be: "therefore" not therefor
Also please excuse my grammar mistakes, I´m not native english speaker.s

I totally agree with every word you sai***. That was what I was trying to say.

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Yeah, I think you're pretty much right. Anyone can read any post and think what they
will. I just think the people who have things to hide can be the most touchy, but we'll
see.

One thing I think is a mistake is getting too caught up in the last game. Sure we can
all learn a few lessons from it, but this is a whole new environment this time around.
I won't hold anyone accountable for their roles from the previous game.

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Very well put here. I had not thought about this way. Come to think of it, a lot of those
who were throwing around accusations in the last game turned out to be innocent.
Especially this early in the game, that's about all we can do.

I know this is a new game, but since I was mafia last game, I know what made you trust me the most. I was the most helpful person I could be. Everytime I posted, I added a comment where I let you think I was so confused and wasn't sure about anything. All my posts were as logical as could be. I never said anything that was not logical. I waited for innocent people to make mistakes, which they obviously made, since they had no clue to what was going on, so they were all over the place. I on the other hand knew a lot, so I could be the most consistent.
I'm trying to give you an idea of how a scum might work. I just hope, they won't use that and change their whole strategy

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EBWOP: I have some trouble with my keyboard. It has a mind of its own, so don't pay attention to random ** and sss :lol:

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Your point about voting this Day to possibly lynch a scum is true. Every day that we fail to lynch, it's just another wasted opportunity to remove a powerful threat. I think we are going to be extra careful when it comes to voting, so we are all going to have to step it up and find those scum.

I agree with your philosophy of not lynching the first day. As well as the fact that everyday we fail, makes us behind, as we're picked off during the night rounds.

While today is not the day to lynch, I'd like to go for it in the 2nd day. Last time, it ended up when there were so many mafia people left, as opposed to our townies. They were able to manipulate our thoughts.

You saw how Spiros went after me the second doubt set in:lol: And it worked:lol:

[smallvillefun13]

Hello my old and new buddies! and aloha to my x-family :lol: (or classmates ?? :p)

i wanna say how exited i am that new round already started :)
....whoa you people 6 pages?! i am asking for mercy here :lol:
seriously this weekend was hell... we have elections in my country and i was counting votes in my borough ( i am not if i am saying right so forgive me :o) all day today!!

11 votes for lynch i think is gonna be hard..
i wanna point out that the Smallive high is gonna kick scum's ass this time (who believes me believes me;))
i highly doubt that the "bad" guys of last round are gonna be again "bad" not that its not possible ......
i didnt see my name anywhere so far and i am glad for that.. not just for me but for the high in general!!
i dont wanna start this wrong so my moves are gonna be cautious..
i am sure though that players who where "good" in last round are gonna use this to pull the wool over student's eyes.. :cool:
of course i'll have my eyes open but for now no FOS and no voting :)
have a good night(or day or whatever ;))

[fantom zoner]

Hello my old and new buddies! and aloha to my x-family :lol: (or classmates ?? :p)

i wanna say how exited i am that new round already started :)
....whoa you people 6 pages?! i am asking for mercy here :lol:
seriously this weekend was hell... we have elections in my country and i was counting votes in my borough ( i am not if i am saying right so forgive me :o) all day today!!

11 votes for lynch i think is gonna be hard..
i wanna point out that the Smallive high is gonna kick scum's ass this time (who believes me believes me;))
i highly doubt that the "bad" guys of last round are gonna be again "bad" not that its not possible ......
i didnt see my name anywhere so far and i am glad for that.. not just for me but for the high in general!!
i dont wanna start this wrong so my moves are gonna be cautious..
i am sure though that players who where "good" in last round are gonna use this to pull the wool over student's eyes.. :cool:
of course i'll have my eyes open but for now no FOS and no voting :)
have a good night(or day or whatever ;))

Yay!!! Spiros is here. Wellcome back :D *hugs*. I have to trust you for now. We're practically family :lol:. Just don't let me down (or you're gonna wish you hadn't set a foot in this school ;))

[Mars Investigations]

Yay!!! Spiros is here. Wellcome back :D *hugs*. I have to trust you for now. We're practically family :lol:. Just don't let me down (or you're gonna wish you hadn't set a foot in this school ;))

Hmm, should we take that as a threatening comment worthy of the mafia? ;) :D

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Yeah, I don't want anyone to lose their prompt trusts for me. But I mean, we'll be jamming to karaoke here :) I just have way too many DVD discs here :lol:

Okay, we have for karaoke: Phil Collins, Remy Zero (;)), Savage Garden, and Rolling Stones! We have about... *checks disc information* Three songs from each band! Whomever wants to go first, come on up, and pick a song from either four mentioned, and I'll hand over the microphone ;)

[Mars Investigations]

Yeah, I don't want anyone to lose their prompt trusts for me. But I mean, we'll be jamming to karaoke here :) I just have way too many DVD discs here :lol:

Okay, we have for karaoke: Phil Collins, Remy Zero (;)), Savage Garden, and Rolling Stones! We have about... *checks disc information* Three songs from each band! Whomever wants to go first, come on up, and pick a song from either four mentioned, and I'll hand over the microphone ;)

Hmm, another fluffy post. You're not doing much to lift my suspicion Anne-Claire! But maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt...should I?

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Hmm, another fluffy post. You're not doing much to lift my suspicion Anne-Claire! But maybe I should give you the benefit of the doubt...should I?

I'm not going to force you to take the finger off of my dear, but first: Why don't you get to know me. I just feel a bit giddy here yes, *blames karaoke deal here :lol:* but no. If you want the FOS at me, I understand honey. I'm not the type who manipulates others around. No that wouldn't be good. So, Matt you don't have to lift the suspicion for me. But maybe, we should get to know each other, for a bit, and who knows! You'll probably kick my butt at karaoke ;):lol:

[fantom zoner]

Hmm, should we take that as a threatening comment worthy of the mafia? ;) :D

Damn, you got me. I can't believe I was that supid. :p:lol:

[Mars Investigations]

I'm not going to force you to take the finger off of my dear, but first: Why don't you get to know me. I just feel a bit giddy here yes, *blames karaoke deal here :lol:* but no. If you want the FOS at me, I understand honey. I'm not the type who manipulates others around. No that wouldn't be good. So, Matt you don't have to lift the suspicion for me. But maybe, we should get to know each other, for a bit, and who knows! You'll probably kick my butt at karaoke ;):lol:

Hmm, should I take this disarming charm at face value or let it make me suspicious? This game is messing with my head :p

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Hmm, should I take this disarming charm at face value or let it make me suspicious? This game is messing with my head :p

It's your decision dear. The last game, I didn't appreciate pointing fingers at people. So if you vote for me, I'll understand fully. I'm not going to change anyone's minds about me. So if you still want to point the finger at me, go head hon!

[hhhandsteph]

Claire~I'm singing Rolling Stones....."I can't get no satisfaction"!!

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Claire~I'm singing Rolling Stones....."I can't get no satisfaction"!!

Alright then, Tabster! *inserts disc into karaoke machine, and hands you the microphone* You're just in luck, I have that song on this disc! Take it away, dear! :D

*sits back to listen*

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Hmm, should I take this disarming charm at face value or let it make me suspicious? This game is messing with my head :p

I'm pretty sure that's the point of the game ;)

[hhhandsteph]

Alright then, Tabster! *inserts disc into karaoke machine, and hands you the microphone* You're just in luck, I have that song on this disc! Take it away, dear! :D

*sits back to listen*

Just like Britney Spears.....:rotfl:

[Degobunny]

It's your decision dear. The last game, I didn't appreciate pointing fingers at people. So if you vote for me, I'll understand fully. I'm not going to change anyone's minds about me. So if you still want to point the finger at me, go head hon!
hey Anne, were is Darth Anne? Your Sith lord personality dissappeared from your avatar around the time this game began. Are you hiding a murdeous serial-killer double personality? I am tempted to point a FOS at you...

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

I actually found it quite funny :p
I don't think towards the end we lynched based on poor logic. It just goes to show that it is not that hard to trick logic here. I could say anything, as long as I was very careful not to make a mistake.

This is so evil! :lol: This is exactly why I'm a little scared of you. You really know how to play this game!!:rotfl:

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

hey Anne, were is Darth Anne? Your Sith lord personality dissappeared from your avatar around the time this game began. Are you hiding a murdeous serial-killer double personality? I am tempted to point a FOS at you...

I'd never kill anyone though :\ But I mean, why on Earth would I kill? It's just a waste of time really. I'd rather be drinking Pepsi, and do karaoke, do a ton of writing *and hey! I'm such a talented writer!* and do as much drawing as possible, than to waste my time killing people off! :mad: I'm not THAT conspicuous... I was brought up to learn, killing isn't a good past time activity. I couldn't ever kill anyone, even if I'm totally mad at them. I'd rather talk to them, than see their blood ooze out from their body...

[hhhandsteph]

I'd never kill anyone though :\ But I mean, why on Earth would I kill? It's just a waste of time really. I'd rather be drinking Pepsi, and do karaoke, do a ton of writing *and hey! I'm such a talented writer!* and do as much drawing as possible, than to waste my time killing people off! :mad: I'm not THAT conspicuous... I was brought up to learn, killing isn't a good past time activity. I couldn't ever kill anyone, even if I'm totally mad at them. I'd rather talk to them, than see their blood ooze out from their body...

Ooze from their body...... (that's gross)

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Ooze from their body...... (that's gross)

Sorry, I do tend to get too descriptive here... Can you forgive me? :\

[smallvillefun13]

Yay!!! Spiros is here. Wellcome back :D *hugs*. I have to trust you for now. We're practically family :lol:. Just don't let me down (or you're gonna wish you hadn't set a foot in this school ;))

sure! good to see ya too FZ :D*hugs back*

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hmm.. i just noticed .. we have 5 mafia members..this should make it easier to target them.. i mean statisticaly speaking ..:o
i am in for karaoke sing me up for bon jovi's songs ;)

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

I'd never kill anyone though :\ But I mean, why on Earth would I kill? It's just a waste of time really. I'd rather be drinking Pepsi, and do karaoke, do a ton of writing *and hey! I'm such a talented writer!* and do as much drawing as possible, than to waste my time killing people off! :mad: I'm not THAT conspicuous... I was brought up to learn, killing isn't a good past time activity. I couldn't ever kill anyone, even if I'm totally mad at them. I'd rather talk to them, than see their blood ooze out from their body...
:lol::lol:


Ooze from their body...... (that's gross)

:rotfl: not for me...

[Degobunny]

I'd never kill anyone though :\ But I mean, why on Earth would I kill? It's just a waste of time really. I'd rather be drinking Pepsi, and do karaoke, do a ton of writing *and hey! I'm such a talented writer!* and do as much drawing as possible, than to waste my time killing people off! :mad: I'm not THAT conspicuous... I was brought up to learn, killing isn't a good past time activity. I couldn't ever kill anyone, even if I'm totally mad at them. I'd rather talk to them, than see their blood ooze out from their body...
Wait killing is a waste of time and not a good past time, as opposed to being morally wrong? Well you at least seem sincere about not wanting to kill anyone.

ehh...I will give you the benefit of the doubt today, becuase it is still way to early to have any idea of who to trust.

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

sure! good to see ya too FZ :D*hugs back*

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hmm.. i just noticed .. we have 5 mafia members..this should make it easier to target them.. i mean statisticaly speaking ..:o
i am in for karaoke sing me up for bon jovi's songs ;)

Hey Spiros!! My mortal enemy!! :lol::lol:

However, there are more townies too. So.. statistically speaking, it's pretty much the same:p

[Degobunny]

:rotfl: not for me...
:confused: is oozing blood suppose to funny? Maybe Anne is not the serial killer...

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Wait killing is a waste of time and not a good past time, as opposed to being morally wrong? Well you at least seem sincere about not wanting to kill anyone.

ehh...I will give you the benefit of the doubt today, becuase it is still way to early to have any idea of who to trust.

See.. I'm thinking that it was a rather big reaction to such a small accusation. But I will also give Claire the benefit of the doubt..

for now

[smallvillefun13]

Hey Spiros!! My mortal enemy!! :lol::lol:

However, there are more townies too. So.. statistically speaking, it's pretty much the same:p
my dear Diana i hope that the enemy is about the last round cuz if we are still enemies that means you are with the bad guys this time ;)

now let get serious... well yeah its the same but still i am trying to pass a positive spirit around here :rotfl:

[Mars Investigations]

See.. I'm thinking that it was a rather big reaction to such a small accusation. But I will also give Claire the benefit of the doubt..

for now

You're a nicer person than I am, Diana...I'm edging closer to giving our karaoke leader a vote.

[hughie87]

Yeah, I don't want anyone to lose their prompt trusts for me. But I mean, we'll be jamming to karaoke here :) I just have way too many DVD discs here :lol:

Okay, we have for karaoke: Phil Collins, Remy Zero (;)), Savage Garden, and Rolling Stones! We have about... *checks disc information* Three songs from each band! Whomever wants to go first, come on up, and pick a song from either four mentioned, and I'll hand over the microphone ;)

Yea!! You got the Karaoke machine up and running!! That should give us loads of ways to pass the time around here. I'm a country girl, Claire. Do you think we could get some good ole George Strait in there for me, maybe? :o

And as to what FZ said about newbies not really knowing what to say or do, she was exactly right. I'm the prime example. I really don't know what I'm doing. I've never played this game before. My older cousins played the card version at holiday get-togethers but I was always too little to play without major help. Sadly, I'm just going to have to take my cues from y'all more experienced players and hope I don't get led astray.

[Degobunny]

See.. I'm thinking that it was a rather big reaction to such a small accusation. But I will also give Claire the benefit of the doubt..

for now
oh it is claire not anne my bad. sorry claire I got confused by your name listed on the post.

D her reaction was extreme but seemed clearly disgusted by thought of seeing blood. I think that is pointing her in the direction of at least not being the serial killer (I hope)

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

:confused: is oozing blood suppose to funny? Maybe Anne is not the serial killer...

not at all. I'm majoring in Forensic Science. (prolly going to double major it with Biology)
Therefore.. I don't find oozing blood gross at all :p

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oh it is claire not anne my bad. sorry claire I got confused by your name listed on the post.

D her reaction was extreme but seemed clearly disgusted by thought of seeing blood. I think that is pointing her in the direction of at least not being the serial killer (I hope)

Her name is both.. I choose to call her Claire because that's what it was when I knew her.

[Mars Investigations]

oh it is claire not anne my bad. sorry claire I got confused by your name listed on the post.

D her reaction was extreme but seemed clearly disgusted by thought of seeing blood. I think that is pointing her in the direction of at least not being the serial killer (I hope)

Personally, I think it may be an act...I think she "doth protest too much".

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

You're a nicer person than I am, Diana...I'm edging closer to giving our karaoke leader a vote.

You see, it's because I'm still against lynching the first day. But if the 2nd day comes around, and my suspicions have grown, then just maybe...

[Mars Investigations]

You see, it's because I'm still against lynching the first day. But if the 2nd day comes around, and my suspicions have grown, then just maybe...

I get where you're coming from, but on the other hand, the fact that more than one of us is suspicious is telling me that we're probably on the right track. There's no smoke without fire!

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

I get where you're coming from, but on the other hand, the fact that more than one of us is suspicious is telling me that we're probably on the right track. There's no smoke without fire!

True say!:p

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Where did everyone go?? :(

I'm going to get some Timmies.. and then finish my lab. But when I'm back, I hope I'll have stuff to read :p

[SGuthrie27]

Wow, looks like you all have had a lot of good discussions since I browsed through the thread last night. :) Great conversations, everyone! Now, just a few words of wisdom (hopefully) or at least advice from your resident Mafia moderator extraordinaire:

Things to take away from last game:

*Trust no one. Regardless of what anyone says or seems to believe, unless you have hard evidence that proves they're on the up and up, you can't take what they say at face value.

*Come to your own reasoned conclusions and don't always rely on other people to come to them for you. Sometimes the people coming to those conclusions aren't on the side of the angels, or they're just as confused and conflicted as you are. And sometimes, even putting all that information together to draw a conclusion, as Jess pointed out earlier, can lead to innocent people getting killed. Although, may I point out that all 6 of my most trusted people list were still there in the final 9 players? :lol:

*The scum generally use a wide variety of strategies, as was amply evidenced by what happened last time around. Some sit back and don't vote at all, doing a lot of hand-wringing and "I-don't-knows" to appear innocent. Others try to be extremely rational, helpful, and logical, as FZ pointed out, because they have all the information with which to appear that way, and they'll use it to their advantage. Others lurk in the background and try not to say anything at all, but that's not necessarily a sign of guilt either, as two of our most "lurking" players last round ended up being innocent. And still others toss around a lot of random accusations, but usually, Mafia tend to avoid that, as it draws more attention and suspicion in their direction. I guess what I'm trying to say here, in summary, is that there really isn't one solitary behavior that points to someone definitively being scum.

Things NOT to take away from last game:

*If someone was guilty last game, it should NOT make them automatically suspicious this game. Many of the roles that were passed out are brand new and so people shouldn't be immediately thinking someone is guilty just because they were scum last time. The same goes for innocent folks -- they may have been totally trustworthy and innocent in Day 1 and be a duplicitous scum in this round, so I'm just saying, don't look to evidence from Game 1 as reasons why someone might be good or bad in Game 2, necessarily.

*This will seem contradictory, but if someone was scum last time, it doesn't mean they COULDN'T be scum this time, either. Like I've said before, the roles are given out completely randomly, so if someone was a bad guy last time, they very well COULD be again, just as if someone was innocent last name, they could be innocent again, too. You have to really scrutinize their actions and words in this game completely separately from what happened in the previous game, and be on your guard against people trying to lead you astray regardless of who they are and what they've done before.

Anyway, I hope all that advice proved useful to you all in some way. Keep up the good work, and I hope you do a better job of playing than I did with seven of my friends who I had over at my house last night! We had only one Mafia member, and it ended up being the same guy, three games in a row, and he killed off the entire town ALL THREE TIMES! We couldn't believe that he'd fooled us that many times in rapid succession! :rotfl: Just goes to show you, I guess, that Mafia is one confusing thrill ride of a game! :lol:

[doodie8808]

In that case... I'm going to have to go with.. about 6? or 5 1/2.

That is fine babe and also hi guys, I have fos on everyone because people seem to be talking about everything but trying to find evidence! You are the only person so far that answered my question which i feel is a start to pulling the truth. I feel as if the issue is being talked around because no one is saying anything so i am going back and llok at all post to see what lines beneath the initial post.

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Just got back from dinner at Timmie's. Two roasted bagels with herb and garlic cream cheese, and I brought home two French Vanilla's, and ready for some investigation here!

[SGuthrie27]

By the way, it looks as though there are three players who haven't posted yet. If any of you happen to know Cloisfan22/Paul, jsm/James, or Nimkong/Adam personally, you might remind them that the games started. I know that James and Paul have been really busy lately with real life stuff, but I haven't talked to them in at least half a week, and I haven't heard from Adam since he signed up for the game...

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

I'll talk to Paul/Cloisfan22 for you Mr. Pure Genuine ;)

[LordOnox]

Well looks like the "fun and festivities" are still going on! :rolleyes:

I have drawn a few small conclusions, but still nothing to really go on yet. Really, until this day is over, there won't be a big amount of evidence to use. I'll probably vote No Lynch in the coming days, but for the sake of RVS, I'll keep my vote for now. :p

And still no abilities like that double vote last game, maybe something will happen soon, that will shake up the game. Like... a Tornado! Or a Meteor Shower! Or we will be on a plane and get stranded on an island! :D

lol Adam still hasn't posted, again. Maybe this time he actually is Mafia, and hiding in the shadows.

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

*raises French Vanilla up to Matt* :) I agree, no RVS for me!

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Well looks like the "fun and festivities" are still going on! :rolleyes:

I have drawn a few small conclusions, but still nothing to really go on yet. Really, until this day is over, there won't be a big amount of evidence to use. I'll probably vote No Lynch in the coming days, but for the sake of RVS, I'll keep my vote for now. :p

And still no abilities like that double vote last game, maybe something will happen soon, that will shake up the game. Like... a Tornado! Or a Meteor Shower! Or we will be on a plane and get stranded on an island! :D

lol Adam still hasn't posted, again. Maybe this time he actually is Mafia, and hiding in the shadows.

:lol: being stranded on an island reminds me a lot more of Lost than it does Smallville:rotfl:

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

OT *meaning off-topic* - if you all prefer to call me "Claire" you all can do so, okay? :) I've noticed a lot of confusion about my names here. Most of you know me as "Claire" anyhow, so we'll stick with "Claire" okay folks? :)

[LordOnox]

/Sigh there is nothing going on, though I'm sure the Mafia/Serial Killer/and our Moderator are enjoying watching us fight with and accuse each other.

So just for SOMETHING:

Day 1:
Diana gave IGMEOY to FZ (Can’t tell if she is lying)and Jess (Could be an awesome liar)
Jess Voted for FZ (RVS, precautionary vote)
Onox Voted for Jess (RVS, for him making us suffer last game)
Skully Voted for Jess (RVS)
Diana Voted for Josh (RVS, precautionary vote)
Pali Voted for Lydia (RVS, too diplomatic)
Pali gave FOS to FZ (Doesn’t trust her already) and Summer (suspicious name)
Pali gave IGMEOY to Everybody Else (Being careful not to trust everybody)
Lydia gave FOS to Pali (Pointing fingers, might want to keep people off his back)
FZ gave FOS to Everyone (Nobody can be trusted)
Jess gave FOS to Lydia (Strange that she overrules idea of her being scum again)
Lydia took back FOS on Pali and gave IGMEOY (For safe keeping)
Claire gave IGMEOY to FZ (Back at her)
FZ gave FOS to Claire and Christine (Both for not wanting to vote in RVS)
Summer gave FOS to Pali (Back at him for giving her the FOS)
Mars gave FOS to Claire and Onox (Both trying too hard to be trustworthy and nice)
Pali Unvoted Lydia (Was not a real vote, nobody else stands out as suspicious)
Josh gave IGMEOY to Skully (No reason stated)

I probably missed a few things, but this what I collected. I don't know if it shows anything, but maybe there are some links between the Mafia.

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

Wow! Good prompt recap here, Matt! You're most correct with each recapping here.

[doodie8808]

sorry but what is RVS. If it means voting right now with out a little more evidence then well no.

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oh i see what it is now and no. i still will not randomly vote the fact that you are so willingly too FZ has you as my #1 person and FOS on you.

[skully]

Hehehe, will Matt be the master summarizer that Jeff was in Game 1?? :D

[jpfort1957]

There's never any information this early in the game to point the finger in any direction.

[super_j_man]

Hey guys, catching up right now! :D

Will post thoughts in a minute.

[fantom zoner]

sorry but what is RVS. If it means voting right now with out a little more evidence then well no.

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oh i see what it is now and no. i still will not randomly vote the fact that you are so willingly too FZ has you as my #1 person and FOS on you.

I'm feeling quite good being suspected by some of you. That might keep me alive the following night. The Mafia will usually try to kill those who are either very dangerous to them (detective, doctor etc', or a very good player), or the town's most trusted people. They would keep the suspicious ones alive, so that they would have someone to poit fingers at during the day.
I have to say though, I'm not scum. Your intitled to your suspicions, but I'm really going to do my best to prove differently. You can see I'm a lot more agressive this game. Sure it may be a geniously wicked plan, but it does draw a lot of fire, so it wouldn't be the smartest move to make, if I was scum.

The best way for a scum to survive in the long run, is to get on everyone's good side.

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/Sigh there is nothing going on, though I'm sure the Mafia/Serial Killer/and our Moderator are enjoying watching us fight with and accuse each other.

So just for SOMETHING:

Day 1:
Diana gave IGMEOY to FZ (Can’t tell if she is lying)and Jess (Could be an awesome liar)
Jess Voted for FZ (RVS, precautionary vote)
Onox Voted for Jess (RVS, for him making us suffer last game)
Skully Voted for Jess (RVS)
Diana Voted for Josh (RVS, precautionary vote)
Pali Voted for Lydia (RVS, too diplomatic)
Pali gave FOS to FZ (Doesn’t trust her already) and Summer (suspicious name)
Pali gave IGMEOY to Everybody Else (Being careful not to trust everybody)
Lydia gave FOS to Pali (Pointing fingers, might want to keep people off his back)
FZ gave FOS to Everyone (Nobody can be trusted)
Jess gave FOS to Lydia (Strange that she overrules idea of her being scum again)
Lydia took back FOS on Pali and gave IGMEOY (For safe keeping)
Claire gave IGMEOY to FZ (Back at her)
FZ gave FOS to Claire and Christine (Both for not wanting to vote in RVS)
Summer gave FOS to Pali (Back at him for giving her the FOS)
Mars gave FOS to Claire and Onox (Both trying too hard to be trustworthy and nice)
Pali Unvoted Lydia (Was not a real vote, nobody else stands out as suspicious)
Josh gave IGMEOY to Skully (No reason stated)

I probably missed a few things, but this what I collected. I don't know if it shows anything, but maybe there are some links between the Mafia.

That's interesting Onox (weird not calling you Matt). I'm not sure it's very helpful now, but it might be later.
Just an obsevation: Since doing this last game, landed Jeff on the most trusted spot, I wonder if that is your way of getting there while not being that after all

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What is also interesting is to see who are the people who are not willing to point fingers and get dirty...

[super_j_man]

For starters:

Okay, somehow, instant voting, when we don't REALLY have sufficient evidence, is kind of too posthaste here. But I'm not voting for anyone, just yet.

But voting for someone just randomly seems suspecious im my eye. And there is always a target in this game.

We should, at least, find potential evidence first, then make our deciding votes ;)
Guys you're missing the point. By "random voting" at the beginning, all we are trying to do is get discussion started. That's all. Don't forget that we can unvote if we want. Just because I may vote for someone, does not mean I want them lynched. A lot of times, votes can be used as way to pressure someone and elicit a reaction. That reaction can be very telling. RVS voting is a very common way to start online mafia games. (I would link you to an example, but I believe that would be against K-site rules since they are other "forum" communities.)


I know I'm new to this game, but I have to agree with a few other people about the RVS. Maybe I'm too Disney with the 'If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all' but that's just how I see things. I know it's to put people of the defensive and a very useful discernment technique, but if we want to get rid of the scum we have to stick together and not point fingers so quickly. Either way, I still don't see enough to make me suspicious yet, but I'm watching.
Pointing fingers is how the game is played though. Ask anyone from the last game, NEVER assume you can trust anybody. We can be comforted (at least for now) that we have a greater majority of town players than scum players. But if we are going to find the scum and lynch them, we need to be active in scumhunting (which will occasionally call for the pointing of fingers.)


We need to start asking questions so i will ask first, Based on sole coments so far how is everyone feeling about each other on a scale from one -ten?
Are you looking for a more specific list or general list?


I really don't expect this to happen any time soon, give it until around Day 3, and we will probably find us both trusting each other.
Let's don't wait around till Day 3 before we start to try and find the scum! ;) There is a lot you can do during Day 1 that you don't realize.


Hey guys, sorry for my late arrival! But I'm here now and ready to get stuck in!

Having read through what's been said so far, I think there's been a lot of negativity going around about the possible results of a Day 1 lynch. So far I've seen people worry about killing one of us townies or being concerned about accusing someone without rock solid proof, but I don't think anyone has actually mentioned the fact that we could actually take out one of the mafia scum right away! Day 1 is a good a time as any to take out the enemy - just because we have limited intel to go on, doesn't mean we should let the bad guys slip through into Day 2! It does mean, though, that we have to be a little sharper with our deductions ;)

With that in mind, I'm gonna throw a FOS to Anne-Claire and the other Matt. They both seem very keen to make themselves seem harmless, nice, and trustworthy, so that makes me wonder what they're trying to hide.
I like this guy already! :D


I would like to ask: Who has played this game before? Any version of it
Many many many times, both online and with cards. Mostly with cards. HINT: I might actually know what I'm talking about! ;)


I'm not going to force you to take the finger off of my dear, but first: Why don't you get to know me. I just feel a bit giddy here yes, *blames karaoke deal here :lol:* but no. If you want the FOS at me, I understand honey. I'm not the type who manipulates others around. No that wouldn't be good. So, Matt you don't have to lift the suspicion for me. But maybe, we should get to know each other, for a bit, and who knows! You'll probably kick my butt at karaoke ;):lol:
I want to address the parts of this post I colored in purple: This is very misleading and potentially manipulative even if it was unintentional on your part. Your "real life" personality should have ZERO affect on your play in this game. You have just as much chance to be scum as anyone else. I already know you and we're good friends on this site. :D But even I am suspicious of you already this game. ;) It's more of a null read though, since you really haven't acted "far" out of "character" (I probably could've worded this better). But just be warned: you can't float through the game without any contributions to a scumhunting effort (pretty much how scum-Lydia played last game).

Current thoughts:
-Part of me wonders if Christine is just pulling out the Lydia play from the last game. She says she won't vote without evidence, but it doesn't look like she's done much "looking" for it or at least from what I can tell. For now: IGMEOY: Christine
-Here's the thing about Claire: she's playing a lot like she did last game. Most of her posts have been "fluff" and talking about her "karaoke" machine. Whether it is her intent or not, I find it to be very distracting. One part of me wants to think that this is typical Claire, but then part of me thinks it might be a ruse to "distract" the other players in the game. For now: FOS: Claire
-I find it hard to get a good read on the newbies, because I'm not sure how to expect them to act. I find Mars' first post to be very pro-town. I find Summer's too at the same time. For those that haven't posted much yet, could you at least tell us your current suspicions? They don't have to be "strong", I (and I'm sure the rest of the town) would like to know where you stand.

BTW, I just have to say that I'm actually not a fan of the "NO LYNCH" vote. Going back to what Mars said in his first post, even though chances are we are probably going to lynch a townie, there is still a lot that can be learned even from a townie lynch. We can look at vote patterns and see if we can make any connections to the "N1 nightkills". Remember that we (townies) got majority over scum. Let's not wait till Day 3 to actually scumhunt.

OT: I so played mafia with my church youth group yesterday! :D

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BTW I just noticed that Tabatha has made three posts and none of them really relate to the game at hand. It could be that she is just getting distracted by Claire's karaoke machine. :rolleyes:

Also UNVOTE: FZ

And VOTE: Claire

Love ya Claire, but you're being a distraction to some of the newer players. :p

[fantom zoner]

Jess, that was a great post !!!! I agree with every single word you wrote here (Except the playing with your church group :p) !!! I really hope you're with the good guys ;)

[skully]

Yup. Clearly Jess is well practised at this game. Classy analysis.

I might just watch with interest sjm's analyses each day. :D

UNVOTE: JESS

[fantom zoner]

Skully, you are being a lot nicer this game, then you were in the last one. I got to say, this makes you a bit suspicious in my eyes. Care to comment?

[Mars Investigations]

Great post, Jess. As established in my previous posts, I think your vote is spot on, so I'm following suit:

VOTE: CLAIRE

I'd encourage fellow townies to consider doing the same - that's at least three people suspicious of Claire now. Can we all be wrong?

[fantom zoner]

Great post, Jess. As established in my previous posts, I think your vote is spot on, so I'm following suit:

VOTE: CLAIRE

I'd encourage fellow townies to consider doing the same - that's at least three people suspicious of Claire now. Can we all be wrong?

Yes, we can all be wrong. As much as I'm suspicious of her, as I've stated before, this is hardly enough to get her lynched already. This could start a bandwagon voting which I think might be too early in the game.

[skully]

Skully, you are being a lot nicer this game, then you were in the last one. I got to say, this makes you a bit suspicious in my eyes. Care to comment?Bwahahahahahaha. Think what you want, FZ. I'm calling it like I see it. It looked a pretty logical analysis by Jess and I said so. Naughty, nice, suspicious, trustworthy. Make up your own mind. I'm a trustworthy townie, believe it or not. And I don't think I was anything but nice in the previous game. [shrugs] And I was the most trustworthy Lois but got liquidated nonetheless. :)

[Mars Investigations]

Yes, we can all be wrong. As much as I'm suspicious of her, as I've stated before, this is hardly enough to get her lynched already. This could start a bandwagon voting which I think might be too early in the game.

Hmm. This could have good intentions...or you could be one of the mafia trying to protect one of your own. Trying to avoid a first day lynch can make you seem guilty as much as it can make you seem innocent ;) And since you coupled that statement with an accusation towards Steve, I'm leaning towards the former...

[fantom zoner]

Bwahahahahahaha. Think what you want, FZ. I'm calling it like I see it. It looked a pretty logical analysis by Jess and I said so. Naughty, nice, suspicious, trustworthy. Make up your own mind. I'm a trustworthy townie, believe it or not. And I don't think I was anything but nice in the previous game. [shrugs] And I was the most trustworthy Lois but got liquidated nonetheless. :)

A little touchy aren't we ? :p:lol:. I actually didn't say it because of your response to Jess, which was totally understandable. What can I say? I'm just too suspicious of the nice people here ;). Maybe I'm way off, but everybody is always too nice, and it seems to me that the more people are guilty, the more they would try to look nice.

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Hmm. This could have good intentions...or you could be one of the mafia trying to protect one of your own. Trying to avoid a first day lynch can make you seem guilty as much as it can make you seem innocent ;) And since you coupled that statement with an accusation towards Steve, I'm leaning towards the former...

Haha :lol: This game is really going to play with our minds. I'm so not scum. I was thinking earlier that you might be bandwagoning on Jess's vote but kept it to myself. Being a townie is a lot harder than I thought before. I keep changing my mind on people

[Pali]

Great post, Jess. As established in my previous posts, I think your vote is spot on, so I'm following suit:

VOTE: CLAIRE

I'd encourage fellow townies to consider doing the same - that's at least three people suspicious of Claire now. Can we all be wrong?

Well yes, we can, but I am slightly more suspicious of Claire nowbut that may be just due to Jess´s post. But I don´t see myself voting for Claire just for it. I´m trying not to be guided by other´s reasons too much and although day 1 lynch may be tempting I still wouldn´t be able to vote without it being just a guess (although just guess may more effective than long analysis sometimes :p).
What i want to say is that her fluff posts may be just fluff posts and not distractions.

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Hehehe, will Matt be the master summarizer that Jeff was in Game 1?? :D

That would be nice, sometimes I felt so lost in great amount of posts that short summarization was very welcome for me.

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A little touchy aren't we ? :p:lol:. I actually didn't say it because of your response to Jess, which was totally understandable. What can I say? I'm just too suspicious of the nice people here ;). Maybe I'm way off, but everybody is always too nice, and it seems to me that the more people are guilty, the more they would try to look nice.


Yeah I know what you mean. When somebody is too nice it´s suspicious, but on the other hand I tend to not suspect them at the same time becuase they are so nice, so basicly I´m suspicious of people of who I´m not suspicious of.........does that make even sense???.......I´m so easily manipulated :\ Especially you FZ know how easily can people take advantage of me :D

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We need to start asking questions so i will ask first, Based on sole coments so far how is everyone feeling about each other on a scale from one -ten?

Well i don´t know to tell you exact number for each player, but my trust for everyone is in range 4-6. I don´t trust anyone, but on the other hand I know that majority of town are townies, so to distrust completely to what everyone is saying would be contraproductive too, so that´s why there is nobody at 0 or 1. Is that answer you were looking for or you would like number for every poster?

[Blur 26]

I think Christine has the right idea asking questions. Not too sure who I can trust
at this point, but dealing in hypothetical here:

If you were the mafia, who would you target at this time?
If you were the cop, who would you investigate at this time?

Yes, I know it's early. But answering these questions may give us something to work with.

By the way, I gave an IGMEOY to Skully because he is acting a little odd. Can't put my
finger on it, but I'm getting a bad vibe.

[fantom zoner]

Well yes, we can, but I am slightly more suspicious of Claire nowbut that may be just due to Jess´s post. But I don´t see myself voting for Claire just for it. I´m trying not to be guided by other´s reasons too much and although day 1 lynch may be tempting I still wouldn´t be able to vote without it being just a guess (although just guess may more effective than long analysis sometimes :p).
What i want to say is that her fluff posts may be just fluff posts and not distractions.


Yeah I know what you mean. When somebody is too nice it´s suspicious, but on the other hand I tend to not suspect them at the same time becuase they are so nice, so basicly I´m suspicious of people of who I´m not suspicious of.........does that make even sense???.......I´m so easily manipulated :\ Especially you FZ know how easily can people take advantage of me :D

I completely understand what you're saying. You are a good example of that for me. You say everything I think, so I trust you, but then I think, that would be a good thing for you to say, so should I really trust you? :confused:


Well i don´t know to tell you exact number for each player, but my trust for everyone is in range 4-6. I don´t trust anyone, but on the other hand I know that majority of town are townies, so to distrust completely to what everyone is saying would be contraproductive too, so that´s why there is nobody at 0 or 1. Is that answer you were looking for or you would like number for every poster?

This is why I didn't answer the question. I'm not sure what you meant exactly. Giving a general answer won't be helpful in anyway. So please, Christine, tell us what you meant

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If you were the mafia, who would you target at this time?
If you were the cop, who would you investigate at this time?


By the way, I gave an IGMEOY to Skully because he is acting a little odd. Can't put my
finger on it, but I'm getting a bad vibe.
I erally don't want to give the mafia ideas, so I'm not going to answer that.
As for your second question: I'm pondering whether I would choose people that look more trustworthy, to be sure of that, or people who seem more suspicious, to know about them. If I would go for the latter, as for now, my most suspicious ones are Skully, Clair and possibly John.
I would also be happy if the detective asked about me, so I would begin to gain some trust around here :D

[Mars Investigations]

Haha :lol: This game is really going to play with our minds. I'm so not scum. I was thinking earlier that you might be bandwagoning on Jess's vote but kept it to myself. Being a townie is a lot harder than I thought before. I keep changing my mind on people

I know what you mean! But if you look back I've been suspicious of Claire since the beginning, so I'm not bandwagoning...just lending my support. ;)


Well yes, we can, but I am slightly more suspicious of Claire nowbut that may be just due to Jess´s post. But I don´t see myself voting for Claire just for it. I´m trying not to be guided by other´s reasons too much and although day 1 lynch may be tempting I still wouldn´t be able to vote without it being just a guess (although just guess may more effective than long analysis sometimes :p).
What i want to say is that her fluff posts may be just fluff posts and not distractions.

True, but that depends on how trusting you are :p I understand everyone's concerns about lynching a townie because of the lack of evidence, but isn't action better than inaction? We all have our suspicions (even if some say they don't) and I think it's best to act on them. Even if we're regrettably wrong, we'll learn something. That's why I went ahead and cast my vote - I have a real hunch that Claire is one of the bad guys and I don't wanna sit back and do nothing about it. The longer we don't lynch, the longer the mafia have to pick off us townies!

[super_j_man]

Being nice itself is not a "scumtell" especially when it's normal for that person. It's when a person is "usually" nice that makes it come across as "buddying" with people. Skully, I know I am innocent, so if you are innocent you can trust me. However, I find it odd that you are quick to trust me for my "analysis" post after knowing what FZ did last game.


I think Christine has the right idea asking questions. Not too sure who I can trust
at this point, but dealing in hypothetical here:

If you were the mafia, who would you target at this time?
If you were the cop, who would you investigate at this time?

Yes, I know it's early. But answering these questions may give us something to work with.

By the way, I gave an IGMEOY to Skully because he is acting a little odd. Can't put my
finger on it, but I'm getting a bad vibe.

I choose not to answer the first question for obvious reasons. ;) The second question: If I were the cop I would investigate anyone who is not acting like themselves (ie. Skully).

Now let me ask a question of my own: Given what little we have to go on, if you had to pick your top two suspects, who would you pick and why? Remember just because you answer this question doesn't mean your condemning the persons to be lynched.

[doodie8808]

I'm feeling quite good being suspected by some of you. That might keep me alive the following night. The Mafia will usually try to kill those who are either very dangerous to them (detective, doctor etc', or a very good player), or the town's most trusted people. They would keep the suspicious ones alive, so that they would have someone to poit fingers at during the day.
I have to say though, I'm not scum. Your intitled to your suspicions, but I'm really going to do my best to prove differently. You can see I'm a lot more agressive this game. Sure it may be a geniously wicked plan, but it does draw a lot of fire, so it wouldn't be the smartest move to make, if I was scum.

The best way for a scum to survive in the long run, is to get on everyone's good side.

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That's interesting Onox (weird not calling you Matt). I'm not sure it's very helpful now, but it might be later.
Just an obsevation: Since doing this last game, landed Jeff on the most trusted spot, I wonder if that is your way of getting there while not being that after all

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What is also interesting is to see who are the people who are not willing to point fingers and get dirty...

Again don't assume that i find you scum. Did i not just say that i am suspicious of you. The fact you said that when i said i will wait for evidence before voting further puts you on my radar. I get you want to prove you are not something but don't assume what i think of you just because i gave you a FOS. You are just on my radar right now.

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For starters:



Guys you're missing the point. By "random voting" at the beginning, all we are trying to do is get discussion started. That's all. Don't forget that we can unvote if we want. Just because I may vote for someone, does not mean I want them lynched. A lot of times, votes can be used as way to pressure someone and elicit a reaction. That reaction can be very telling. RVS voting is a very common way to start online mafia games. (I would link you to an example, but I believe that would be against K-site rules since they are other "forum" communities.)


Pointing fingers is how the game is played though. Ask anyone from the last game, NEVER assume you can trust anybody. We can be comforted (at least for now) that we have a greater majority of town players than scum players. But if we are going to find the scum and lynch them, we need to be active in scumhunting (which will occasionally call for the pointing of fingers.)


Are you looking for a more specific list or general list?


Let's don't wait around till Day 3 before we start to try and find the scum! ;) There is a lot you can do during Day 1 that you don't realize.


I like this guy already! :D


Many many many times, both online and with cards. Mostly with cards. HINT: I might actually know what I'm talking about! ;)


I want to address the parts of this post I colored in purple: This is very misleading and potentially manipulative even if it was unintentional on your part. Your "real life" personality should have ZERO affect on your play in this game. You have just as much chance to be scum as anyone else. I already know you and we're good friends on this site. :D But even I am suspicious of you already this game. ;) It's more of a null read though, since you really haven't acted "far" out of "character" (I probably could've worded this better). But just be warned: you can't float through the game without any contributions to a scumhunting effort (pretty much how scum-Lydia played last game).

Current thoughts:
-Part of me wonders if Christine is just pulling out the Lydia play from the last game. She says she won't vote without evidence, but it doesn't look like she's done much "looking" for it or at least from what I can tell. For now: IGMEOY: Christine
-Here's the thing about Claire: she's playing a lot like she did last game. Most of her posts have been "fluff" and talking about her "karaoke" machine. Whether it is her intent or not, I find it to be very distracting. One part of me wants to think that this is typical Claire, but then part of me thinks it might be a ruse to "distract" the other players in the game. For now: FOS: Claire
-I find it hard to get a good read on the newbies, because I'm not sure how to expect them to act. I find Mars' first post to be very pro-town. I find Summer's too at the same time. For those that haven't posted much yet, could you at least tell us your current suspicions? They don't have to be "strong", I (and I'm sure the rest of the town) would like to know where you stand.

BTW, I just have to say that I'm actually not a fan of the "NO LYNCH" vote. Going back to what Mars said in his first post, even though chances are we are probably going to lynch a townie, there is still a lot that can be learned even from a townie lynch. We can look at vote patterns and see if we can make any connections to the "N1 nightkills". Remember that we (townies) got majority over scum. Let's not wait till Day 3 to actually scumhunt.

OT: I so played mafia with my church youth group yesterday! :D

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BTW I just noticed that Tabatha has made three posts and none of them really relate to the game at hand. It could be that she is just getting distracted by Claire's karaoke machine. :rolleyes:

Also UNVOTE: FZ

And VOTE: Claire

Love ya Claire, but you're being a distraction to some of the newer players. :p

Again Jess im not pulling anything. Maybe other people want to jump but i meant what i said i will not make the last mistakes i did before. I dont agree with your style and if that means me getting a igmeoy than so be it. I stand by what i say no matter what. Also i threw out all sorts of suggestions and asked some questions Jess. What have you done? I am very weary on you because you seem so aggressive to people who don't agree with you.

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I think [B]Christine has the right idea asking questions. Not too sure who I can trust
at this point, but dealing in hypothetical here:

If you were the mafia, who would you target at this time?
If you were the cop, who would you investigate at this time?

Yes, I know it's early. But answering these questions may give us something to work with.

By the way, I gave an IGMEOY to Skully because he is acting a little odd. Can't put my
finger on it, but I'm getting a bad vibe.

Thank you Josh. People are so focus on voting now without at least attempting to ask questions make me wonder why such rush. How hard can it be to answer a question or two or think of something. FZ These are the type of questions i was talking about. I had asked on earlier but only one or two people answered. im not saying these are gold but i feel they will begin a spark.

If i were Mafia i would target the Viligante. If i were a cop i would target a Mafia Cronie. I choose both of them because they are similar imo because they watch everything. It is important to get evidence (personally for me ) to make sure i make the best choice possible when i vote. I really would not like to vote off a fellow good person for a SECOND TIME. YES the past game seriously haunts me!

[Mars Investigations]

Now let me ask a question of my own: Given what little we have to go on, if you had to pick your top two suspects, who would you pick and why? Remember just because you answer this question doesn't mean your condemning the persons to be lynched.

Claire, because of the reasons I've previously stated. My second suspect is much harder to narrow down...maybe FZ because I am getting a little bit of a villainous vibe from her ;)

I'll reverse that question and ask which two people do you least suspect?

[fantom zoner]

Claire, because of the reasons I've previously stated. My second suspect is much harder to narrow down...maybe FZ because I am getting a little bit of a villainous vibe from her ;)

I'll reverse that question and ask which two people do you least suspect?

Oh Mars, what am I going to do with you *sigh* :lol:. I think answering your question is a bad idea just like answering who would I kill if I were mafia. Jess is right that it plays into the hands of the mafia, cause it's loading the gun and pointing it in the right direction ;). In the previous game we (the mafia) went after the people who were most trusted and left the most suspicious ones to take the heat for us. So I think we shouldn't answer that.

[Mars Investigations]

Oh Mars, what am I going to do with you *sigh* :lol:. I think answering your question is a bad idea just like answering who would I kill if I were mafia. Jess is right that it plays into the hands of the mafia, cause it's loading the gun and pointing it in the right direction ;). In the previous game we (the mafia) went after the people who were most trusted and left the most suspicious ones to take the heat for us. So I think we shouldn't answer that.

:lol: That is a very good point, I didn't think that question through enough...and the fact that you brought that up has now made me doubt my suspicion of you! My head hurts... :p

[fantom zoner]

Again don't assume that i find you scum. Did i not just say that i am suspicious of you. The fact you said that when i said i will wait for evidence before voting further puts you on my radar. I get you want to prove you are not something but don't assume what i think of you just because i gave you a FOS. You are just on my radar right now.

I think it's an odd thing to say. This whole fame is about assuming things. Telling me not to assume is....weird. Again, I don't mind being on your radar. I don't think anyone should not be on our radar, cause scum might fly below it....


Again Jess im not pulling anything. Maybe other people want to jump but i meant what i said i will not make the last mistakes i did before. I dont agree with your style and if that means me getting a igmeoy than so be it. I stand by what i say no matter what. Also i threw out all sorts of suggestions and asked some questions Jess. What have you done? I am very weary on you because you seem so aggressive to people who don't agree with you.[/Quosste]

I would say you are the one coming off agressive, but I thought you did that last game as well, and you were just being active. So I'm letting it go for now



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If i were Mafia i would target the Viligante. If i were a cop i would target a Mafia Cronie. I choose both of them because they are similar imo because they watch everything. It is important to get evidence (personally for me ) to make sure i make the best choice possible when i vote. I really would not like to vote off a fellow good person for a SECOND TIME. YES the past game seriously haunts me!


I would really like to hear you name some actual people for Josh's second question, cause vague answers don't get us anywhere

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:lol: That is a very good point, I didn't think that question through enough...and the fact that you brought that up has now made me doubt my suspicion of you! My head hurts... :p

Just to be fair, I did that last game as well, and I was far from innocent ;). I was actually trying to be the best townie possible, without finding the real mafia :lol:. So I tried to find the SK first and continued from there. That's why I say, anyone can be deceiving. I could be doing it now too :p... But I'm nots

[Karafan1]

It looks to me like I have to watch what I say, or I'll get the FOS pointed at me:lol: I'm new to all this so it's a learning process to me, that's why I haven't been posting much. I'm sure the farther we get in the game, I'll get used to it and will post more often..

[Blur 26]

I choose not to answer the first question for obvious reasons. ;) The second question: If I were the cop I would investigate anyone who is not acting like themselves (ie. Skully).

Now let me ask a question of my own: Given what little we have to go on, if you had to pick your top two suspects, who would you pick and why? Remember just because you answer this question doesn't mean your condemning the persons to be lynched.

Right now my two suspects are Steve and FZ.
FZ has been really active and has tried to help so far, but a couple of her posts
made me raise an eyebrow. She just seems a little defensive, although she claims she
isn't. As far as Steve, he seems a little too relaxed. A couple of his posts
seemed very odd to me. Almost like he has an agenda.

Not exactly concrete, but it's still early.




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Thank you Josh. People are so focus on voting now without at least attempting to ask questions make me wonder why such rush. How hard can it be to answer a question or two or think of something. FZ These are the type of questions i was talking about. I had asked on earlier but only one or two people answered. im not saying these are gold but i feel they will begin a spark.

If i were Mafia i would target the Viligante. If i were a cop i would target a Mafia Cronie. I choose both of them because they are similar imo because they watch everything. It is important to get evidence (personally for me ) to make sure i make the best choice possible when i vote. I really would not like to vote off a fellow good person for a SECOND TIME. YES the past game seriously haunts me!

Thank you for answering my questions Christine. And yes, I do agree with you
that we should start asking questions to get things going, even if we are really off base.

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I'll reverse that question and ask which two people do you least suspect?

Good question. To me, I am leaning toward trusting Onyx aka. Matt..
He seems to be trying hard so far and he hasn't done anything all that suspicious,
at least in my eyes.

[hhhandsteph]

sigh....I don't even know where to begin in this game. I have read and re-read everyone's posts and I am having a very difficult time figuring out who seems suspicious.

[fantom zoner]

It looks to me like I have to watch what I say, or I'll get the FOS pointed at me:lol: I'm new to all this so it's a learning process to me, that's why I haven't been posting much. I'm sure the farther we get in the game, I'll get used to it and will post more often..

It's okay Jim. This game is quite overwhelming :lol:. I'm looking forward to you getting more active

[hhhandsteph]

It looks to me like I have to watch what I say, or I'll get the FOS pointed at me:lol: I'm new to all this so it's a learning process to me, that's why I haven't been posting much. I'm sure the farther we get in the game, I'll get used to it and will post more often..

It's Ok Jimmy, I feel the same way.....I am feeling very overwhelmed at this point.:\

[Blur 26]

sigh....I don't even know where to begin in this game. I have read and re-read everyone's posts and I am having a very difficult time figuring out who seems suspicious.

Don't worry about it, you're not the only one who doesn't know what to think. This early
in the game we really don't have much to work with. All we can do is point fingers and
ask questions until we have something more to go on.

[hhhandsteph]

Don't worry about it, you're not the only one who doesn't know what to think. This early
in the game we really don't have much to work with. All we can do is point fingers and
ask questions until we have something more to go on.


Thanks Josh....

[fantom zoner]

Right now my two suspects are Steve and FZ.
FZ has been really active and has tried to help so far, but a couple of her posts
made me raise an eyebrow. She just seems a little defensive, although she claims she
isn't. As far as Steve, he seems a little too relaxed. A couple of his posts
seemed very odd to me. Almost like he has an agenda.

Not exactly concrete, but it's still early.


I'm way too addicted to this game and I love winning :p:o, so I post a lot hoping I can figure out things. I am not, I repeat not scum (how's that for defensive? :lol:). I wouldn't be so active if I was. But hey, if you feel like suspecting me, go right ahead. As I've said, it might help be stay in the game :D

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Something I find funny is, that last game I was so guilty, but nobody seemed to suspect me. I was quite trusted. Now, when I trully am trust worthy, most of you don't trust me :lol:. Just goes to show, how easier it is for a townie to look guilty and for the scum to look innocent :\

[LucyLaneClarkKent4vr]

OT - Hey guys! I just became an aunt for the second time today! I have a second beautiful niece name Lucy Anne McPherson. She was born at 11:59 PM today, and is 8 lbs and 6 oz. So therefore, real life comes through again. I want to be able to spend time with my oldest brother's second daughter. I know you guys want me in the game, but I'm giving myself a whole week to decide on arriving back. I need time to be with my niece. She's adorable, and I hope you all understand... :)

EBWOP Sorry, the time was meant to say "11:59 AM", not "11:59 PM" ... :lol:

[hughie87]

I'm way too addicted to this game and I love winning :p:o, so I post a lot hoping I can figure out things. I am not, I repeat not scum (how's that for defensive? :lol:). I wouldn't be so active if I was. But hey, if you feel like suspecting me, go right ahead. As I've said, it might help be stay in the game :D

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Something I find funny is, that last game I was so guilty, but nobody seemed to suspect me. I was quite trusted. Now, when I trully am trust worthy, most of you don't trust me :lol:. Just goes to show, how easier it is for a townie to look guilty and for the scum to look innocent :\

As a new person, I would hate to be suspected of being scum just because I was a little nervous about what to post and say. People who fly under the radar may do that simply because they are overwhelmed and at a loss for what's going on.

Me, personally, I would suspect someone who posts a lot. That, I think, would look like either they have something to prove (which for you would be your professed innocence) or that they are trying to throw people off their scent. I'm still learning the ropes, but that is the logic I would be leaning toward. The people who have the most to hide are usually the most vocal.

Either way, with speaking of flying under the radar, I'll be doing that for the next week. I'm a college student and my Public Relations Professor just assigned a massive out-of-the-blue ad campaign project that is half of my final grade to be turned in before our Thanksgiving break. Just wanted to let the other townies know so they don't think I'm meeting with scum in secret. :p

[LordOnox]

First: CONGRATS CLAIRE!! :)

Now, the thread was a lot more active today, good job people! I read over everything, so I do have a few comments. (I see a few questions were asked, I will go back and answer them after this)

Many people seem to be suspecting Claire, I have felt she could be scum, but at the same time, it seems like she is acting just like she did last game, and in the sign up thread. If this were last game, I would probably send a vote her way, but I can't, not Day 1. I was proven wrong every time last game, using this type of evidence to support my votes. I am still against a Day 1 lynch, I know quite a few of you would like to lynch today, but it's just the way I want to go through this, after Night 1 there should be enough evidence to back up suspicions better. And also, Claire, I think it would be nice to start seeing a bit more scum-hunting from you and less fluff(though I do love the Karaoke Machine!)
Another point, from what I have learned from these two Mafia games, is that scum will want to get someone lynched, and sometimes join a bandwagon, instead of starting one. It just stood out to me when Mars joined the vote for Claire and then invited others to join in. I will not act on this as the same reason I won't act on the Claire votes, it's Day 1, I would not like to take the risk. Plus, some of my suspicion on Mars is removed because he showed suspicion towards Claire before Jess voted. This doesn't mean that he was waiting for someone else to vote first though. But still not enough to change my opinion on a day 1 lynch.

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I think Christine has the right idea asking questions. Not too sure who I can trust
at this point, but dealing in hypothetical here:

If you were the mafia, who would you target at this time?
If you were the cop, who would you investigate at this time?

Yes, I know it's early. But answering these questions may give us something to work with.

By the way, I gave an IGMEOY to Skully because he is acting a little odd. Can't put my
finger on it, but I'm getting a bad vibe.

As others said, I don't think I really have an answer for the first one. But probably who I thought had an ability.
For the second question, Jess. He seems to be a big player here, and it would be nice to know for sure what side he is on.

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Being nice itself is not a "scumtell" especially when it's normal for that person. It's when a person is "usually" nice that makes it come across as "buddying" with people. Skully, I know I am innocent, so if you are innocent you can trust me. However, I find it odd that you are quick to trust me for my "analysis" post after knowing what FZ did last game.



I choose not to answer the first question for obvious reasons. ;) The second question: If I were the cop I would investigate anyone who is not acting like themselves (ie. Skully).

Now let me ask a question of my own: Given what little we have to go on, if you had to pick your top two suspects, who would you pick and why? Remember just because you answer this question doesn't mean your condemning the persons to be lynched.

That's difficult... Uhhhhhh
1. Mars (Reason I posted before, still not a lot though)
2. .........................(I won't say Claire as she is acting the same as she always does, I think Jess is not very suspicious, for FZ it's just because she was the Godfather last game, nobody stands out lol) I'll keep this space blank, for now.

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Claire, because of the reasons I've previously stated. My second suspect is much harder to narrow down...maybe FZ because I am getting a little bit of a villainous vibe from her ;)

I'll reverse that question and ask which two people do you least suspect?

I'm suspicious of everybody to a certain point XD. I'm going into this assuming everyone has the same chance of being scum, for all I know you COULD ALL be scum!

Can I say who I WANT to least suspect? That would be Jess and FZ. They would make great townies if they are not scum. They seem to be using logical thoughts, but at the same time, I thought that about FZ last time.

EBWOP: Typo! My first point should say: "This doesn't mean that he wasN'T waiting for someone else to vote first though." (When talking about Mars)

[jpfort1957]

For me to cast a vote would be a stab in the dark. I still see that there are 3 players that haven't posted anything!! Where are you 3, and what do you have to hide??

[LordOnox]

Oh and since John has mentioned those three players, I would place all three of them as suspect number 2 on my list!

[doodie8808]

I think it's an odd thing to say. This whole fame is about assuming things. Telling me not to assume is....weird. Again, I don't mind being on your radar. I don't think anyone should not be on our radar, cause scum might fly below it....


Again Jess im not pulling anything. Maybe other people want to jump but i meant what i said i will not make the last mistakes i did before. I dont agree with your style and if that means me getting a igmeoy than so be it. I stand by what i say no matter what. Also i threw out all sorts of suggestions and asked some questions Jess. What have you done? I am very weary on you because you seem so aggressive to people who don't agree with you.[/Quosste]

I would say you are the one coming off agressive, but I thought you did that last game as well, and you were just being active. So I'm letting it go for now






I would really like to hear you name some actual people for Josh's second question, cause vague answers don't get us anywhere

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Just to be fair, I did that last game as well, and I was far from innocent ;). I was actually trying to be the best townie possible, without finding the real mafia :lol:. So I tried to find the SK first and continued from there. That's why I say, anyone can be deceiving. I could be doing it now too :p... But I'm nots


Honestly right now you and Jess are on the top two of my lists. Your responses are sending off major suspiceious vibes. I am really leery of your answers. They sound funny to me.

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Right now my two suspects are Steve and FZ.
FZ has been really active and has tried to help so far, but a couple of her posts
made me raise an eyebrow. She just seems a little defensive, although she claims she
isn't. As far as Steve, he seems a little too relaxed. A couple of his posts
seemed very odd to me. Almost like he has an agenda.

Not exactly concrete, but it's still early.



Thank you for answering my questions Christine. And yes, I do agree with you
that we should start asking questions to get things going, even if we are really off base.

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Good question. To me, I am leaning toward trusting Onyx aka. Matt..
He seems to be trying hard so far and he hasn't done anything all that suspicious,
at least in my eyes.

Josh these questions are a great starting off point. For me i feel like they are really helping to get us somewhere. As we continue down this road more stuff like this will weed out the scum.

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So to answer Jess question you and FZ are my # 2 right now. i really dont trust you guys just based on your post. Also FZ again i dont think it is weird for me not to assume things because i keep stating i like proof first. But going by post i don't trust you. To assume before really getting anything is i feel walking into disaster imo.

[LordOnox]

Good question. To me, I am leaning toward trusting Onyx aka. Matt..
He seems to be trying hard so far and he hasn't done anything all that suspicious,
at least in my eyes.

Thanks for (leaning to) trusting me. I still see you as "The Serial Killer who never got to kill" from last game :p jk. I seem to have the habit of starting to trust people who say they trust me, which costed me the game last time. It does make me feel good knowing that I at least have some trust towards me, as I mentioned yesterday or at some point, the worst is knowing that you are innocent but the rest of the town does not know.

[super_j_man]

It looks to me like I have to watch what I say, or I'll get the FOS pointed at me:lol: I'm new to all this so it's a learning process to me, that's why I haven't been posting much. I'm sure the farther we get in the game, I'll get used to it and will post more often..

As a new person, I would hate to be suspected of being scum just because I was a little nervous about what to post and say. People who fly under the radar may do that simply because they are overwhelmed and at a loss for what's going on.
Being FOSed is not that really a big deal. Getting voted on this early is not that big a deal either since it takes 11 votes to lynch. As town you shouldn't worry about putting yourself out there. After all, you shouldn't have anything to hide.......................or do you? :p


Me, personally, I would suspect someone who posts a lot. That, I think, would look like either they have something to prove (which for you would be your professed innocence) or that they are trying to throw people off their scent. I'm still learning the ropes, but that is the logic I would be leaning toward. The people who have the most to hide are usually the most vocal.
That could be the case but not always. Last game, FZ and Spiros we're our most vocal scum, but even they weren't the most vocal in the game. Then there was Lydia who wasn't very vocal at all. Josh was kinda in the middle.

Christine: At this point, I feel like we are just going to have to agree to disagree. I can assure (whether you believe it or not) that my aggressiveness is my town strategy. Being "cautious" to not lynch townies is one thing (and I totally understand) but my whole thing is that you can't just let the scum "slide by". Sometimes you have to pressure to elicit a reaction. That's the way I learned how to play. There's no harm in putting pressure on people. I also don't want to see this day wasted. Whether or not we lynch, we can still "play the game". Also if you think I'm being aggressive by merely disagreeing with you, then let me clarify something. I'm not saying you ultimately HAVE to adopt my way of play. I encourage everybody to think about it, considering I've played more mafia than most everyone else here. But you make your own play. I wouldn't be suspicious of your play alone, if it wasn't for Lydia doing almost the same thing last game. That's all really.

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By the way, it's been three days since this day started. Here's a how many times everyone has posted:

fantom zoner 29
LucyLaneClarkKent4vr 25
LordOnox 24
Chlarkfan_phantom 22
super_j_man 16
Mars Investigations 15
doodie8808 11
Pali 8
hughie87 8
skully 8
Blur 26 7
hhhandsteph 6
Degobunny 6
SuperKyptonGirl13 4
jpfort1957 4
smallvillefun13 3
Karafan1 2

James, Adam and Paul (cloisfan22) have not yet posted.

My initial suspicions would be that the "veteran" scum (by this I mean those that played last game) would be found around the 5-15 range and the "newbie" scum would be found around the 0-10 range. Why? I would imagine a newbie scum would be trying to "feel" their way around the "game" and a more experience scum would already know how things work and posting just enough to blend in. Am I saying that those found in the top 5 can't be scum? Of course not. I just don't imagine newb (or even veteran) scum being too active this early. Do y'all agree with this hypothesis?

[Blur 26]

Thanks for (leaning to) trusting me. I still see you as "The Serial Killer who never got to kill" from last game :p jk. I seem to have the habit of starting to trust people who say they trust me, which costed me the game last time. It does make me feel good knowing that I at least have some trust towards me, as I mentioned yesterday or at some point, the worst is knowing that you are innocent but the rest of the town does not know.

I was hoping people had forgotten about that. :lol:
I'm not going to ask you to trust me, because I believe actions speak louder.
I'll do what I can to target the mafia and SK and bring them to light.
But for the record, just because I trust you now doesn't mean it will stay that way.
After Night 1, I will reevaluate everything once we have something to go on.



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By the way, it's been three days since this day started. Here's a how many times everyone has posted:

fantom zoner 29
LucyLaneClarkKent4vr 25
LordOnox 24
Chlarkfan_phantom 22
super_j_man 16
Mars Investigations 15
doodie8808 11
Pali 8
hughie87 8
skully 8
Blur 26 7
hhhandsteph 6
Degobunny 6
SuperKyptonGirl13 4
jpfort1957 4
smallvillefun13 3
Karafan1 2

James, Adam and Paul (cloisfan22) have not yet posted.

My initial suspicions would be that the "veteran" scum (by this I mean those that played last game) would be found around the 5-15 range and the "newbie" scum would be found around the 0-10 range. Why? I would imagine a newbie scum would be trying to "feel" their way around the "game" and a more experience scum would already know how things work and posting just enough to blend in. Am I saying that those found in the top 5 can't be scum? Of course not. I just don't imagine newb (or even veteran) scum being too active this early. Do y'all agree with this hypothesis?

I actually really like your work here Jess. I will definitely keep this in mind.
As far as the people who haven't posted, I'm not sure. Last game we lynched a couple
of them because of their inactivity and they turned out to be innocent. So how often
people post will not play a huge factor in my decisions this time around.

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I'm way too addicted to this game and I love winning :p:o, so I post a lot hoping I can figure out things. I am not, I repeat not scum (how's that for defensive? :lol:). I wouldn't be so active if I was. But hey, if you feel like suspecting me, go right ahead. As I've said, it might help be stay in the game :D

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Something I find funny is, that last game I was so guilty, but nobody seemed to suspect me. I was quite trusted. Now, when I trully am trust worthy, most of you don't trust me :lol:. Just goes to show, how easier it is for a townie to look guilty and for the scum to look innocent :\

That's something else about last game I noticed. Some of the scum were actually
posting useful information. And considering I didn't get to kill, I found myself leaning
even more toward the townies in trying to find the truth. I guess the point I'm trying
to make is that even though it seems that those who are active and helpful can
ultimately have an evil agenda. So things are definitely not black and white at all,
and people can always be misleading.

[jpfort1957]

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By the way, it's been three days since this day started. Here's a how many times everyone has posted:

fantom zoner 29
LucyLaneClarkKent4vr 25
LordOnox 24
Chlarkfan_phantom 22
super_j_man 16
Mars Investigations 15
doodie8808 11
Pali 8
hughie87 8
skully 8
Blur 26 7
hhhandsteph 6
Degobunny 6
SuperKyptonGirl13 4
jpfort1957 4
smallvillefun13 3
Karafan1 2

James, Adam and Paul (cloisfan22) have not yet posted.

My initial suspicions would be that the "veteran" scum (by this I mean those that played last game) would be found around the 5-15 range and the "newbie" scum would be found around the 0-10 range. Why? I would imagine a newbie scum would be trying to "feel" their way around the "game" and a more experience scum would already know how things work and posting just enough to blend in. Am I saying that those found in the top 5 can't be scum? Of course not. I just don't imagine newb (or even veteran) scum being too active this early. Do y'all agree with this hypothesis?

Is there any reason why a scum couldn't have posted between say......15 -20 times??

[super_j_man]

Yeah well I'm not saying it's absolute but in a 20 player game it gives us somewhere to look.

Anywho, there is something I want to let everybody know about. I had to ask Jeff's permission first but I wanted to let you in on potential "new" roles that might be in the game. I don't know for absolute sure if they roles are in but these are roles I gave to Jeff as a suggestion:

-Mafia Framer: a mafioso that can make an innocent character appear guilty for one night.

-Paranoid Gun-Owner (PGO): usually a townsperson that nightkills anyone who targets them with an ability that night.

-Miller: an innocent who appears guilty when investigated (like Diana was last game)

Notes on strategy: If you are a Miller, it's actually best to claim as early as possible. Late miller claims are less likely to be believed. Same goes for PGO (if town). You want to claim as soon as possible so you don't cause another innocent to die during the night. That's not to say that all miller/PGO claims (even during Day 1) are to be believed.

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Is there any reason why a scum couldn't have posted between say......15 -20 times??
No. Read what I said again. This was a general hypothesis. I'm not saying this was absolute.

[skully]

Hehehe, so Josh has me as a suspect because I'm a little too relaxed and a little odd. :p

Excellent reasons to lynch a townie. [shrugs]

[fantom zoner]

First: CONGRATS CLAIRE!! :)

Many people seem to be suspecting Claire, I have felt she could be scum, but at the same time, it seems like she is acting just like she did last game, and in the sign up thread. If this were last game, I would probably send a vote her way, but I can't, not Day 1. I was proven wrong every time last game, using this type of evidence to support my votes. I am still against a Day 1 lynch, I know quite a few of you would like to lynch today, but it's just the way I want to go through this, after Night 1 there should be enough evidence to back up suspicions better. And also, Claire, I think it would be nice to start seeing a bit more scum-hunting from you and less fluff(though I do love the Karaoke Machine!)
Another point, from what I have learned from these two Mafia games, is that scum will want to get someone lynched, and sometimes join a bandwagon, instead of starting one. It just stood out to me when Mars joined the vote for Claire and then invited others to join in. I will not act on this as the same reason I won't act on the Claire votes, it's Day 1, I would not like to take the risk. Plus, some of my suspicion on Mars is removed because he showed suspicion towards Claire before Jess voted. This doesn't mean that he was waiting for someone else to vote first though. But still not enough to change my opinion on a day 1 lynch.

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As others said, I don't think I really have an answer for the first one. But probably who I thought had an ability.
For the second question, Jess. He seems to be a big player here, and it would be nice to know for sure what side he is on.

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That's difficult... Uhhhhhh
1. Mars (Reason I posted before, still not a lot though)
2. .........................(I won't say Claire as she is acting the same as she always does, I think Jess is not very suspicious, for FZ it's just because she was the Godfather last game, nobody stands out lol) I'll keep this space blank, for now.

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I'm suspicious of everybody to a certain point XD. I'm going into this assuming everyone has the same chance of being scum, for all I know you COULD ALL be scum!

Can I say who I WANT to least suspect? That would be Jess and FZ. They would make great townies if they are not scum. They seem to be using logical thoughts, but at the same time, I thought that about FZ last time.

EBWOP: Typo! My first point should say: "This doesn't mean that he wasN'T waiting for someone else to vote first though." (When talking about Mars)

You bring up very good points which makes me one of the trusted ones. Then again, you said it yourself: that is what I did last game. Same goes for Jess . Your posts seem very thought through which can either be because that's the kind of people you are, or that you are tricking us all. I'll be waiting eagerly for your future posts

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So to answer Jess question you and FZ are my # 2 right now. i really dont trust you guys just based on your post. Also FZ again i dont think it is weird for me not to assume things because i keep stating i like proof first. But going by post i don't trust you. To assume before really getting anything is i feel walking into disaster imo.

I respect the fact that you want proof. I do too. But looking at the last game, did we have any proof? The only real proof we had was Jeff's bomb not killing Josh. Aside from that, we only knew things for sure about after the people died. Bein a townie this time, I do not want to sit and wait for the scum to kill us. I have to go by my hunches and by others' actions. Granted, we will know more after this night, but we do need to keep the pressure today, to learn as much as we can. It would be useful in the future days.
I really don't know what to think of you. It's an intuitive response to not trust those who don't trust you, but I'm trying to be more objective. Honestly, I can't read you. I think that the fact that you're pursuing me so strongly, might indicate that you're a townie looking for the truth. I will just have to wait :confused:

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By the way, it's been three days since this day started. Here's a how many times everyone has posted:

fantom zoner 29
LucyLaneClarkKent4vr 25
LordOnox 24
Chlarkfan_phantom 22
super_j_man 16
Mars Investigations 15
doodie8808 11
Pali 8
hughie87 8
skully 8
Blur 26 7
hhhandsteph 6
Degobunny 6
SuperKyptonGirl13 4
jpfort1957 4
smallvillefun13 3
Karafan1 2

James, Adam and Paul (cloisfan22) have not yet posted.

My initial suspicions would be that the "veteran" scum (by this I mean those that played last game) would be found around the 5-15 range and the "newbie" scum would be found around the 0-10 range. Why? I would imagine a newbie scum would be trying to "feel" their way around the "game" and a more experience scum would already know how things work and posting just enough to blend in. Am I saying that those found in the top 5 can't be scum? Of course not. I just don't imagine newb (or even veteran) scum being too active this early. Do y'all agree with this hypothesis?

Ha, there goes my plan to not get pulled into the game to the point I neglect all other things :o:lol:. I knew I couldn't do it.

That's an interesting theory there Jess. I would tend to agree (surprisngly, since I'm the top poster :p), but in a general way. I think at least two of the scum are somewhere in those average posters. Every person has his own strategy, so there could be players who don't match that theory.

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Hehehe, so Josh has me as a suspect because I'm a little too relaxed and a little odd. :p

Excellent reasons to lynch a townie. [shrugs]

I'd have to agree with Josh on this. I'm not sure I can even put a finger on it, but your behavior is very suspicious. If I had to lynch somone here on the spot (which I don't) it would be you. I can't explain it, and it may make me even more suspicious in everyone's eyes, but for now, something about you just doesn't feel right.

[Mars Investigations]

OT - Hey guys! I just became an aunt for the second time today! I have a second beautiful niece name Lucy Anne McPherson. She was born at 11:59 PM today, and is 8 lbs and 6 oz. So therefore, real life comes through again. I want to be able to spend time with my oldest brother's second daughter. I know you guys want me in the game, but I'm giving myself a whole week to decide on arriving back. I need time to be with my niece. She's adorable, and I hope you all understand... :)

EBWOP Sorry, the time was meant to say "11:59 AM", not "11:59 PM" ... :lol:

Congratulations Claire, have a great week :)


Another point, from what I have learned from these two Mafia games, is that scum will want to get someone lynched, and sometimes join a bandwagon, instead of starting one. It just stood out to me when Mars joined the vote for Claire and then invited others to join in. I will not act on this as the same reason I won't act on the Claire votes, it's Day 1, I would not like to take the risk. Plus, some of my suspicion on Mars is removed because he showed suspicion towards Claire before Jess voted. This doesn't mean that he was waiting for someone else to vote first though. But still not enough to change my opinion on a day 1 lynch.

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That's difficult... Uhhhhhh
1. Mars (Reason I posted before, still not a lot though)
2. .........................(I won't say Claire as she is acting the same as she always does, I think Jess is not very suspicious, for FZ it's just because she was the Godfather last game, nobody stands out lol) I'll keep this space blank, for now.

I understand how my follow-up vote could have been perceived, and while I'm not gonna change or withdraw my vote, I will say that I fully understand why you're not planning on doing the same. There isn't any rock solid evidence to go on this round so you're hesitant to help instigate or be part of a lynch. However, all I'll add is that we should remember there's a serial killer on the loose who won't hesitate to pick one of us townies off just because it's the first night...

[skully]

Well, to Josh and FZ, feel free to vote me off the Island. Another townie will needlessly bit the dust. I call you both out as straw-clutchers. :D

[fantom zoner]

Congratulations Claire, have a great week :)



I understand how my follow-up vote could have been perceived, and while I'm not gonna change or withdraw my vote, I will say that I fully understand why you're not planning on doing the same. There isn't any rock solid evidence to go on this round so you're hesitant to help instigate or be part of a lynch. However, all I'll add is that we should remember there's a serial killer on the loose who won't hesitate to pick one of us townies off just because it's the first night...

I forgot to congratulate you too Claire :D. Being an aunt is the best job in the world

What about the Mafia? Did you just forget to mention them? We could end up with two dead people, maybe three.

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Well, to Josh and FZ, feel free to vote me off the Island. Another townie will needlessly bit the dust. I call you both out as straw-clutchers. :D
Hehe, That might be true, and that's why I'm happy I don't have to lynch right here and now, and can take the time till the end of the day to make my decision

[doodie8808]

To FZ AND JESS I do get what you are saying but for me yes i need proof or something to standout to be sure about before i vote. I really screwed up last time so i am extra scared. I do agree that we need to put pressure on people and i feel asking questions is the best way. Well just agree to disagree on the subject because it id getting us no where as Jess said. We just have different methods. I still dont trust you guys because of the way you responded but it is what it is. As for unjderstanding what Lydia did i get that it was explained but remember i was killed way before and did not check back in the thread. I am not pulling what she did on purpose i true feel this way and hope you guys can see that.

[Pali]

My initial suspicions would be that the "veteran" scum (by this I mean those that played last game) would be found around the 5-15 range and the "newbie" scum would be found around the 0-10 range. Why? I would imagine a newbie scum would be trying to "feel" their way around the "game" and a more experience scum would already know how things work and posting just enough to blend in. Am I saying that those found in the top 5 can't be scum? Of course not. I just don't imagine newb (or even veteran) scum being too active this early. Do y'all agree with this hypothesis?

So veteran players would be according to you in range of 5-15..........why these numbers? Oh yeah I see it now........it´s because you have exactly 16 posts in the chart ;).....nice try.
I don´t agree with your hypothesis,being active and helpful right from the start would make for brilliant tactic for mafia members.

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I actually really like your work here Jess. I will definitely keep this in mind.
As far as the people who haven't posted, I'm not sure. Last game we lynched a couple
of them because of their inactivity and they turned out to be innocent. So how often
people post will not play a huge factor in my decisions this time around.



Yeah, number of posts will not make big difference in my voting too, but on the other hand few posts means fewer opportunities to prove somebody´s loyality to town. Also there is still a chance some scum members chose to use this tactic.

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Yeah well I'm not saying it's absolute but in a 20 player game it gives us somewhere to look.

Anywho, there is something I want to let everybody know about. I had to ask Jeff's permission first but I wanted to let you in on potential "new" roles that might be in the game. I don't know for absolute sure if they roles are in but these are roles I gave to Jeff as a suggestion:

-Mafia Framer: a mafioso that can make an innocent character appear guilty for one night.

-Paranoid Gun-Owner (PGO): usually a townsperson that nightkills anyone who targets them with an ability that night.

-Miller: an innocent who appears guilty when investigated (like Diana was last game)

Notes on strategy: If you are a Miller, it's actually best to claim as early as possible. Late miller claims are less likely to be believed. Same goes for PGO (if town). You want to claim as soon as possible so you don't cause another innocent to die during the night. That's not to say that all miller/PGO claims (even during Day 1) are to be believed.


Wow, these are really interesting and very dangerous roles. The little info we will have after night 1 may still be useless, and even worse misleading :eek:

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I'd have to agree with Josh on this. I'm not sure I can even put a finger on it, but your behavior is very suspicious. If I had to lynch somone here on the spot (which I don't) it would be you. I can't explain it, and it may make me even more suspicious in everyone's eyes, but for now, something about you just doesn't feel right.

Well I don´t suspect Steve more than any other player. I don´t want to say he is innocent, but I don´t see any evidence which would make him more suspicious in my eyes. As you wrote above FZ you can´t put your finger on it why, so I won´t ask you to clarify it for me, but maybe you Josh could clarify........It´s that I don´t see any difference about Steve from previous game.

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To FZ AND JESS I do get what you are saying but for me yes i need proof or something to standout to be sure about before i vote. I really screwed up last time so i am extra scared. I do agree that we need to put pressure on people and i feel asking questions is the best way. Well just agree to disagree on the subject because it id getting us no where as Jess said. We just have different methods. I still dont trust you guys because of the way you responded but it is what it is. As for unjderstanding what Lydia did i get that it was explained but remember i was killed way before and did not check back in the thread. I am not pulling what she did on purpose i true feel this way and hope you guys can see that.

Don´t be so hars on yourself - you were not only person who screwed up..........I for example screwed up probably even more than you. To find hard solid proof is very rare in online mafia games IMO, so I think if you want to be 100% sure with your votes, you won´t probably vote at all :p

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Congratulations Claire, have a great week :)

I understand how my follow-up vote could have been perceived, and while I'm not gonna change or withdraw my vote, I will say that I fully understand why you're not planning on doing the same. There isn't any rock solid evidence to go on this round so you're hesitant to help instigate or be part of a lynch. However, all I'll add is that we should remember there's a serial killer on the loose who won't hesitate to pick one of us townies off just because it's the first night...

I like how you are willng to lynch even this first day. There is definitely need for someone who is willing to take action right from the start.
About your concern about Serial killer, I don´t want to sound too optimistic but there is still townies roleblocker. Last time Christine was awesome roleblocker and thanks to her he didn´t even get a kill. I don´t think we will be this lucky this time too, but one can hope...
Mmafia is bigger threat than SK right now IMO.

[super_j_man]

Well, to Josh and FZ, feel free to vote me off the Island. Another townie will needlessly bit the dust. I call you both out as straw-clutchers. :D
Hey Skully, I actually tend to agree with Josh and FZ in the fact you have been acting different. Last game I had you as one of the "most improved" players of the game and now this game you don't really seem to be.................trying? I dunno, maybe it's because I expected to see a little more content from you. And this post baffles me most of all. As townie this would be a case of AtE (appeal to emotion) and as scum this would be calling the bluff. Either way, it's a little early for this because last time I checked, you didn't have any votes! As I said in another post, being FOSed isn't really all that big a deal. You ain't going to get lynched over an FOS. Since I'm not sure why you would AtE, I'm thinking you might be calling a bluff here, which would mean you would be scum............

UNVOTE: Claire

I was waiting for her to respond to my post but it looks like she might have to be away from the forums for a while.

VOTE: Skully


To FZ AND JESS I do get what you are saying but for me yes i need proof or something to standout to be sure about before i vote. I really screwed up last time so i am extra scared. I do agree that we need to put pressure on people and i feel asking questions is the best way. Well just agree to disagree on the subject because it id getting us no where as Jess said. We just have different methods. I still dont trust you guys because of the way you responded but it is what it is. As for unjderstanding what Lydia did i get that it was explained but remember i was killed way before and did not check back in the thread. I am not pulling what she did on purpose i true feel this way and hope you guys can see that.
Christine, I would say you are anything BUT a screw-up last game. You were actually one of the smarter players. You found the serial killer and kept him from making a single nightkill.

The thing about proof is our not always going to find it. In fact none of the mafia that died last game died because of proof and two of them slipped by without it. Most of the time, you are never going to be 100% sure. Chances are, we will mislynch occasionally. But if we are active in scumhunting and follow what evidence we do have, we will hopefully win this game.......hopefully...


So veteran players would be according to you in range of 5-15..........why these numbers? Oh yeah I see it now........it´s because you have exactly 16 posts in the chart ;).....nice try.
I don´t agree with your hypothesis,being active and helpful right from the start would make for brilliant tactic for mafia members.
Why not 5-15? Oh yeah I see it now..............it's because you are in that range and are a "veteran" player ;)........nice try. :p Did I strike a nerve there? :D

Seriously though, here's why: 5-15 is just a hypothesis to say that "veteran scum" players would be just active enough to make it look like they are active yet not actually contribute much content. But your right as well! Being active right from the start would make a brilliant tactic for a mafioso. But I do know from experience (games from other sites) that sometimes, scum are more likely to be "careful" about what they say. Since they are not actually looking for other mafiosos, they have to think more about they post to make it look like they are.

BTW, I have another reason for making my list which I'll explain before the end of Day 1. ;)

[jpfort1957]

There are still 3 players that are "no shows", I'll see if I can get them to join in. From A to Z...........Adam your name is first!!

VOTE: ADAM

[Degobunny]

okay well based on my interactions I am going to go ahead and cast my vote...


VOTE: Dianna

Sorry, D it was between you and Claire but Claire is more convincingly not a killer at this point in the game. This vote might change based on when the people who have not responded start to chime in.

[doodie8808]

So veteran players would be according to you in range of 5-15..........why these numbers? Oh yeah I see it now........it´s because you have exactly 16 posts in the chart ;).....nice try.
I don´t agree with your hypothesis,being active and helpful right from the start would make for brilliant tactic for mafia members.

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Yeah, number of posts will not make big difference in my voting too, but on the other hand few posts means fewer opportunities to prove somebody´s loyality to town. Also there is still a chance some scum members chose to use this tactic.

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Wow, these are really interesting and very dangerous roles. The little info we will have after night 1 may still be useless, and even worse misleading :eek:

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Well I don´t suspect Steve more than any other player. I don´t want to say he is innocent, but I don´t see any evidence which would make him more suspicious in my eyes. As you wrote above FZ you can´t put your finger on it why, so I won´t ask you to clarify it for me, but maybe you Josh could clarify........It´s that I don´t see any difference about Steve from previous game.

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Don´t be so hars on yourself - you were not only person who screwed up..........I for example screwed up probably even more than you. To find hard solid proof is very rare in online mafia games IMO, so I think if you want to be 100% sure with your votes, you won´t probably vote at all :p

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I like how you are willng to lynch even this first day. There is definitely need for someone who is willing to take action right from the start.
About your concern about Serial killer, I don´t want to sound too optimistic but there is still townies roleblocker. Last time Christine was awesome roleblocker and thanks to her he didn´t even get a kill. I don´t think we will be this lucky this time too, but one can hope...
Mmafia is bigger threat than SK right now IMO.


Thank you Pali. i get what you are saying and i know i wont find 100% proof but just invegestating makes me more sure in my decisions and it helps to weed people out. That what i am trying to say. I think i messed up more than you. it is important to me as a player just to be as sure as possible beacuse last time i voted and was not sure it cost several people good people to go. i felt really bad.

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Hey Skully, I actually tend to agree with Josh and FZ in the fact you have been acting different. Last game I had you as one of the "most improved" players of the game and now this game you don't really seem to be.................trying? I dunno, maybe it's because I expected to see a little more content from you. And this post baffles me most of all. As townie this would be a case of AtE (appeal to emotion) and as scum this would be calling the bluff. Either way, it's a little early for this because last time I checked, you didn't have any votes! As I said in another post, being FOSed isn't really all that big a deal. You ain't going to get lynched over an FOS. Since I'm not sure why you would AtE, I'm thinking you might be calling a bluff here, which would mean you would be scum............

UNVOTE: Claire

I was waiting for her to respond to my post but it looks like she might have to be away from the forums for a while.

VOTE: Skully


Christine, I would say you are anything BUT a screw-up last game. You were actually one of the smarter players. You found the serial killer and kept him from making a single nightkill.

The thing about proof is our not always going to find it. In fact none of the mafia that died last game died because of proof and two of them slipped by without it. Most of the time, you are never going to be 100% sure. Chances are, we will mislynch occasionally. But if we are active in scumhunting and follow what evidence we do have, we will hopefully win this game.......hopefully...


Why not 5-15? Oh yeah I see it now..............it's because you are in that range and are a "veteran" player ;)........nice try. :p Did I strike a nerve there? :D

Seriously though, here's why: 5-15 is just a hypothesis to say that "veteran scum" players would be just active enough to make it look like they are active yet not actually contribute much content. But your right as well! Being active right from the start would make a brilliant tactic for a mafioso. But I do know from experience (games from other sites) that sometimes, scum are more likely to be "careful" about what they say. Since they are not actually looking for other mafiosos, they have to think more about they post to make it look like they are.

BTW, I have another reason for making my list which I'll explain before the end of Day 1. ;)

You whole statement is true. i just like to see how much i can gather to feel more sure about my decision. i ma listing to you Jess because you have more expericnce but for me personally i just need to do some diging for my own sanity. i hope you get what i am saying. Also me blocking Josh got me killed lol. But thank you.:D i hope i have explained myself better. i get what you are saying better now that we are not so bickering. I do still find FZ weird though i need to look more before i vote. maybe i need to go back and look at her stuff again. i get what she is saying but her agressiness to get me to chnage imo thats the vibe i got from her really stood out.

[Pali]

There are still 3 players that are "no shows", I'll see if I can get them to join in. From A to Z...........Adam your name is first!!

VOTE: ADAM

Lol it´s here again :D
Adam please post or you will be lynched/modkilled.

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okay well based on my interactions I am going to go ahead and cast my vote...


VOTE: Dianna

Sorry, D it was between you and Claire but Claire is more convincingly not a killer at this point in the game. This vote might change based on when the people who have not responded start to chime in.

Wow, I don´t think your vote threatens Dianna too much, and we´re still probably at Random Voting stage, but could you explain why her Ash? If it´s just random vote to start some discussion, than ignore the question :)

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Why not 5-15? Oh yeah I see it now..............it's because you are in that range and are a "veteran" player ;)........nice try. :p Did I strike a nerve there? :D

Seriously though, here's why: 5-15 is just a hypothesis to say that "veteran scum" players would be just active enough to make it look like they are active yet not actually contribute much content. But your right as well! Being active right from the start would make a brilliant tactic for a mafioso. But I do know from experience (games from other sites) that sometimes, scum are more likely to be "careful" about what they say. Since they are not actually looking for other mafiosos, they have to think more about they post to make it look like they are.

BTW, I have another reason for making my list which I'll explain before the end of Day 1. ;)

So you say they tend to be in the middle, not to go under the radar and not stick out too much? Yeah it makes sense now, but I still think that at least one scum wouldn´t use this tactic and go for more risky way. And BTW my comment about strange numbers was just a friendly teasing. Also I´m looking forward to your other reason.

[jpfort1957]

Lol it´s here again :D
Adam please post or you will be lynched/modkilled.


Sorry Pali..............I just had to do it. Adam still has time to respond, and there's use letting those 3 skate by while the rest of us kill off each other.:rolleyes:

[Pali]

Sorry Pali..............I just had to do it. Adam still has time to respond, and there's use letting those 3 skate by while the rest of us kill off each other.:rolleyes:

Yeah I understand. I certainly hope he will be active here, he seems like a pretty nice guy, but his low profile mafia tactic usually makes him suspicious :)

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

okay well based on my interactions I am going to go ahead and cast my vote...


VOTE: Dianna

Sorry, D it was between you and Claire but Claire is more convincingly not a killer at this point in the game. This vote might change based on when the people who have not responded start to chime in.

I'm not sure what I did to create this reaction.. but I assure you I'm innocent..

:lol: I'm confused? But whatever.. it's only one vote right? and its not like we're going to lynch a townie right off the bat

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Being one of the only days in a few weeks where I'm not drowning in homework.. So I'll respond to the questions I've been delayed in answering. :lol:


Being FOSed is not that really a big deal. Getting voted on this early is not that big a deal either since it takes 11 votes to lynch. As town you shouldn't worry about putting yourself out there. After all, you shouldn't have anything to hide.......................or do you? :p


That could be the case but not always. Last game, FZ and Spiros we're our most vocal scum, but even they weren't the most vocal in the game. Then there was Lydia who wasn't very vocal at all. Josh was kinda in the middle.

Christine: At this point, I feel like we are just going to have to agree to disagree. I can assure (whether you believe it or not) that my aggressiveness is my town strategy. Being "cautious" to not lynch townies is one thing (and I totally understand) but my whole thing is that you can't just let the scum "slide by". Sometimes you have to pressure to elicit a reaction. That's the way I learned how to play. There's no harm in putting pressure on people. I also don't want to see this day wasted. Whether or not we lynch, we can still "play the game". Also if you think I'm being aggressive by merely disagreeing with you, then let me clarify something. I'm not saying you ultimately HAVE to adopt my way of play. I encourage everybody to think about it, considering I've played more mafia than most everyone else here. But you make your own play. I wouldn't be suspicious of your play alone, if it wasn't for Lydia doing almost the same thing last game. That's all really.

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By the way, it's been three days since this day started. Here's a how many times everyone has posted:

fantom zoner 29
LucyLaneClarkKent4vr 25
LordOnox 24
Chlarkfan_phantom 22
super_j_man 16
Mars Investigations 15
doodie8808 11
Pali 8
hughie87 8
skully 8
Blur 26 7
hhhandsteph 6
Degobunny 6
SuperKyptonGirl13 4
jpfort1957 4
smallvillefun13 3
Karafan1 2

James, Adam and Paul (cloisfan22) have not yet posted.

My initial suspicions would be that the "veteran" scum (by this I mean those that played last game) would be found around the 5-15 range and the "newbie" scum would be found around the 0-10 range. Why? I would imagine a newbie scum would be trying to "feel" their way around the "game" and a more experience scum would already know how things work and posting just enough to blend in. Am I saying that those found in the top 5 can't be scum? Of course not. I just don't imagine newb (or even veteran) scum being too active this early. Do y'all agree with this hypothesis?

By your logic... you are saying that the possible newbie scum are... Tabatha, Ash, Jim, James and Paul.

But that really seems more like a newbie thing. The highest post count of the newbies is 15. But it's also very probable.

Veteran scum by your standards would be around, Christine, Pali, Skully and Josh.


You were the one that asked who are top two suspects right Jess?? Here I go..

1. Claire... now it could be just Claire being Claire..:p, but I think it's a little more than that this time. Sorry Claire, but I think you're distracting people from the task at hand, and I personally think its intentional.

2. Honestly.. gut feeling has this tied for Christine and Pali. And I don't know why.. I will investigate and try to figure out why I'm feeling this way.

[Karafan1]

I am not newbie scum..I'm just a newbie trying my best not to die first:lol:

[fantom zoner]

Wow, some interesting things happening here...

I'll go back and respond to some posts in a minute, but the two major things here are John's vote for Adam, and Ashley's vote for Diana. They both came out of the blue. Ashley's vote kind of reminds me Keith's vote for Clair in the last game. He didn't state a reason and just voted for no reason without saying a word. Just to remind you, he ended up being mafia. Does it say anything about Ashley? I don't know, but it sure raises my suspicion. As for John, I think he is behaving strangely and knowing Adam did the exact same thing last game and turned out to be a townie, just makes his vote fishy. Adam of course could be using that tactic exactly for that reason, but still...

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Well I don´t suspect Steve more than any other player. I don´t want to say he is innocent, but I don´t see any evidence which would make him more suspicious in my eyes. As you wrote above FZ you can´t put your finger on it why, so I won´t ask you to clarify it for me, but maybe you Josh could clarify........It´s that I don´t see any difference about Steve from previous game.



Even though you didn't ask, I'm still going to try and explain. Steve was more agressive in the first game, then he is now. I get the feeling that guilty people are trying to keep calm, not to get on anyone's nerves. For example, Christine is quite suspicious of me. I don't think she would be, if I was playing it calm and not responding to her accusations. Skully looks like he's trying to not let it get to him. Last game, when everybody was accusing him, he was trying his hardest to make us believe he was a townie. He's not doing it this time

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To FZ AND JESS I do get what you are saying but for me yes i need proof or something to standout to be sure about before i vote. I really screwed up last time so i am extra scared. I do agree that we need to put pressure on people and i feel asking questions is the best way. Well just agree to disagree on the subject because it id getting us no where as Jess said. We just have different methods. I still dont trust you guys because of the way you responded but it is what it is. As for unjderstanding what Lydia did i get that it was explained but remember i was killed way before and did not check back in the thread. I am not pulling what she did on purpose i true feel this way and hope you guys can see that.

As I've said before, your behavior here seems to me like your way of being a townie. I'm gonna hold my suspicions toward you for now. I think I have people here that are more suspicious at the moment

[LordOnox]

Lots of new votes today, things are getting intense! :p

I would like to know a bit more behind Ashley's vote for Diana. I'm not suspicious of it, but it would be nice to know why the town might want to suspect her in the future (unless it was merely RVS.)

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By the way, it's been three days since this day started. Here's a how many times everyone has posted:

fantom zoner 29
LucyLaneClarkKent4vr 25
LordOnox 24
Chlarkfan_phantom 22
super_j_man 16
Mars Investigations 15
doodie8808 11
Pali 8
hughie87 8
skully 8
Blur 26 7
hhhandsteph 6
Degobunny 6
SuperKyptonGirl13 4
jpfort1957 4
smallvillefun13 3
Karafan1 2

James, Adam and Paul (cloisfan22) have not yet posted.

My initial suspicions would be that the "veteran" scum (by this I mean those that played last game) would be found around the 5-15 range and the "newbie" scum would be found around the 0-10 range. Why? I would imagine a newbie scum would be trying to "feel" their way around the "game" and a more experience scum would already know how things work and posting just enough to blend in. Am I saying that those found in the top 5 can't be scum? Of course not. I just don't imagine newb (or even veteran) scum being too active this early. Do y'all agree with this hypothesis?

Thanks for posting this. You have some good ideas, definitely not something to directly use to lynch someone, but a good starting off point.

[Degobunny]

Wow, some interesting things happening here...

I'll go back and respond to some posts in a minute, but the two major things here are John's vote for Adam, and Ashley's vote for Diana. They both came out of the blue. Ashley's vote kind of reminds me Keith's vote for Clair in the last game. He didn't state a reason and just voted for no reason without saying a word. Just to remind you, he ended up being mafia. Does it say anything about Ashley? I don't know, but it sure raises my suspicion. As for John, I think he is behaving strangely and knowing Adam did the exact same thing last game and turned out to be a townie, just makes his vote fishy. Adam of course could be using that tactic exactly for that reason, but still...
FZ think what you want, but as far as I am concerned I am voting out Diana becuase how she has interacted with me on this thread, so far she seems the closet to being the serial killer, Claire is the only other likely candiate at this point, but I am giving her the benefit of the doubt for now.

[LordOnox]

Yeah well I'm not saying it's absolute but in a 20 player game it gives us somewhere to look.

Anywho, there is something I want to let everybody know about. I had to ask Jeff's permission first but I wanted to let you in on potential "new" roles that might be in the game. I don't know for absolute sure if they roles are in but these are roles I gave to Jeff as a suggestion:

-Mafia Framer: a mafioso that can make an innocent character appear guilty for one night.

-Paranoid Gun-Owner (PGO): usually a townsperson that nightkills anyone who targets them with an ability that night.

-Miller: an innocent who appears guilty when investigated (like Diana was last game)

Notes on strategy: If you are a Miller, it's actually best to claim as early as possible. Late miller claims are less likely to be believed. Same goes for PGO (if town). You want to claim as soon as possible so you don't cause another innocent to die during the night. That's not to say that all miller/PGO claims (even during Day 1) are to be believed.


If any of these roles cause a townie death, the blood is on your hands for suggesting them! :pjk.
The Framer and Miller really worry me. I remember freaking out after last game when I read about Diana's "ability" to appear guilty. So both would for sure mess with our gameplay if Jeff included them. I read about PGO during last game, I could not believe it, it would suck for any TwSA that is trying to help out.

[Degobunny]

I'm not sure what I did to create this reaction.. but I assure you I'm innocent..

:lol: I'm confused? But whatever.. it's only one vote right? and its not like we're going to lynch a townie right off the bat.
Your reaction about not being disgusted by blood is a huge part of my case at this point. You also seemed somewhat eager like Matt to start voting people off. But you are welcome to convince me otherwise.

EBWOP: I looked back at our interaction on the thread, and you are not eager to vote people off, hmmm...I already thinking of changing my vote over to Matt. Gosh it so hard to try and find anybody as suspecious this round.

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By your logic... you are saying that the possible newbie scum are... Tabatha, Ash, Jim, James and Paul.
I am not newbie skum I swear, it is just that we will not be able to to get rid of the serial killer and the mafia without taking risk. Each day they we are complacient is another for the serial killer to kill and mafia to take over.

[LordOnox]

If I am correct, this is the voting history so far:

Day 1:
Jess Voted for FZ
Onox Voted for Jess
Skully Voted for Jess
Diana Voted for Josh
Pali Voted for Lydia
Pali Unvoted Lydia
Jess Unvoted FZ
Jess Voted Claire
Skully Unvoted Jess
Mars Voted for Claire
Jess Unvoted Claire
Jess Voted for Skully
John Voted for Adam
Ashley Voted for Diana

Fun facts/General Conclusions: Jess has changed his vote the most. I am NOT saying this is a scum-like thing to do, just pointing it out.
The more serious votes seem to be Mars' towards Claire, and Ashley's towards Diana. Everything else I think is just RVS. Actually, Jess' vote for Skully is a bit more serious than RVS, so that would make three serious votes.
Me, along with Diana, Mars, John, and Ashley have kept our vote the same all Day 1 so far, without taking it back or changing. (Though I might think about switching it to someone else soon, but that would still be in the spirit of RVS.) To note: Ashley is thinking about changing her vote to... which Matt XD? I think she means Mars, not me, I think. :p Which would take her out of this list, if she goes through with it.

[Degobunny]

If I am correct, this is the voting history so far:

Day 1:
Jess Voted for FZ
Onox Voted for Jess
Skully Voted for Jess
Diana Voted for Josh
Pali Voted for Lydia
Pali Unvoted Lydia
Jess Unvoted FZ
Jess Voted Claire
Skully Unvoted Jess
Mars Voted for Claire
Jess Unvoted Claire
Jess Voted for Skully
John Voted for Adam
Ashley Voted for Diana

Fun facts/General Conclusions: Jess has changed his vote the most. I am NOT saying this is a scum-like thing to do, just pointing it out.
The more serious votes seem to be Mars' towards Claire, and Ashley's towards Diana. Everything else I think is just RVS. Actually, Jess' vote for Skully is a bit more serious than RVS, so that would make three serious votes.
Me, along with Diana, Mars, John, and Ashley have kept our vote the same all Day 1 so far, without taking it back or changing. (Though I might think about switching it to someone else soon, but that would still be in the spirit of RVS.) To note: Ashley is thinking about changing her vote to... which Matt XD? I think she means Mars, not me, I think. :p Which would take her out of this list, if she goes through with it.
yeah I am think about switching to Mars. When does the day current day end?

[LordOnox]

yeah I am think about switching to Mars. When does the day current day end?

Okay just making sure. And the day ends on Friday. So there is still plenty of time left.

EBWOP: Friday is the deadline. But if we decide on a lynch/no lynch before Friday, it will end once the vote has been reached.

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Your reaction about not being disgusted by blood is a huge part of my case at this point. You also seemed somewhat eager like Matt to start voting people off. But you are welcome to convince me otherwise.

EBWOP: I looked back at our interaction on the thread, and you are not eager to vote people off, hmmm...I already thinking of changing my vote over to Matt. Gosh it so hard to try and find anybody as suspecious this round.

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I am not newbie skum I swear, it is just that we will not be able to to get rid of the serial killer and the mafia without taking risk. Each day they we are complacient is another for the serial killer to kill and mafia to take over.

Like I said.. I'm double majoring in Forensic Science and Biology. Therefore.. not being disgusted by blood, kinda in my future job description. :p

And I never said that I wanted to vote someone off in the first day.

Thus the point of the game.. the onus is yours in this case. :p

[fantom zoner]

Yeah well I'm not saying it's absolute but in a 20 player game it gives us somewhere to look.

Anywho, there is something I want to let everybody know about. I had to ask Jeff's permission first but I wanted to let you in on potential "new" roles that might be in the game. I don't know for absolute sure if they roles are in but these are roles I gave to Jeff as a suggestion:

-Mafia Framer: a mafioso that can make an innocent character appear guilty for one night.

-Paranoid Gun-Owner (PGO): usually a townsperson that nightkills anyone who targets them with an ability that night.

-Miller: an innocent who appears guilty when investigated (like Diana was last game)

Notes on strategy: If you are a Miller, it's actually best to claim as early as possible. Late miller claims are less likely to be believed. Same goes for PGO (if town). You want to claim as soon as possible so you don't cause another innocent to die during the night. That's not to say that all miller/PGO claims (even during Day 1) are to be believed.




I didn't get the chance to respond to this post. These are really frightening. I kind of hope Jeff didn't include them in the game. The Mafia framer is horrible for the townies, cause he can cause definite damage. He can seriously confuse us. The trick is to make him choose the wrong person to frame each night, so the detective can investigate someone different from who the framer frames. Is there anyway of doing that?

The paranoid gun owner can work both ways. He can kill an innocent man or a guilty one, and he has no control of it. It's a good thing to know for us townies, so the doctor and detective won't get hurt. I think the price of them being hurt, is higher than the benifit we get from the chance of him killing a scum. What do you guys think?

Seems like the Miller is kind of redundant if there is the framer, but I think he exist, it will be in his best interest to let us know about it now.

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

Yeah well I'm not saying it's absolute but in a 20 player game it gives us somewhere to look.

Anywho, there is something I want to let everybody know about. I had to ask Jeff's permission first but I wanted to let you in on potential "new" roles that might be in the game. I don't know for absolute sure if they roles are in but these are roles I gave to Jeff as a suggestion:

-Mafia Framer: a mafioso that can make an innocent character appear guilty for one night.

-Paranoid Gun-Owner (PGO): usually a townsperson that nightkills anyone who targets them with an ability that night.

-Miller: an innocent who appears guilty when investigated (like Diana was last game)

Notes on strategy: If you are a Miller, it's actually best to claim as early as possible. Late miller claims are less likely to be believed. Same goes for PGO (if town). You want to claim as soon as possible so you don't cause another innocent to die during the night. That's not to say that all miller/PGO claims (even during Day 1) are to be believed.


Lemme just say.... that didn't work for me at all last time:lol:... maybe because I couldn't say I was a Miller? :\

Ahhh.. the downsides of being Tess:p

[fantom zoner]

Your reaction about not being disgusted by blood is a huge part of my case at this point. You also seemed somewhat eager like Matt to start voting people off. But you are welcome to convince me otherwise.



I hope the not being disgusted by blood is not a serious reason. I never get that reasoning. Would someone who is scum, say such a thing? Why would he frame himself? I take it as just a comment. I can't seriously regard it as a clue...:\

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

I didn't get the chance to respond to this post. These are really frightening. I kind of hope Jeff didn't include them in the game. The Mafia framer is horrible for the townies, cause he can cause definite damage. He can seriously confuse us. The trick is to make him choose the wrong person to frame each night, so the detective can investigate someone different from who the framer frames. Is there anyway of doing that?

The paranoid gun owner can work both ways. He can kill an innocent man or a guilty one, and he has no control of it. It's a good thing to know for us townies, so the doctor and detective won't get hurt. I think the price of them being hurt, is higher than the benifit we get from the chance of him killing a scum. What do you guys think?

Seems like the Miller is kind of redundant if there is the framer, but I think he exist, it will be in his best interest to let us know about it now.

Yes.. but the odds of him hurting a townie are much more likely, I believe. Because there have to be more townies than powers than Mafiosos with powers, right?

Considering there are like, 14 townies and 5 mafia.. right? plus 1 SK

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I hope the not being disgusted by blood is not a serious reason. I never get that reasoning. Would someone who is scum, say such a thing? Why would he frame himself? I take it as just a comment. I can't seriously regard it as a clue...:\

Aw come on! :lol: Am I really going to be suspicious because of my personality? My only reaction was a ":rotfl:" It was simply a comment.

This is like Skully and his "sleeping with the fishes" comment last game.

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My most trusted...

1. Matt (Onox)... I don't know. While he's really helpful, it could also go the other way, as him being scum. But for now, I trust him.

2. My gut feeling... I want to say Summer, but I think it's only because I'm slightly biased to her amazing fanfics. I'm going to need to remove my bias before I can properly assess her. For now, I trust her.

3. FZ... same as Onox.

I think Spiros could be trusted, but I haven't made up my mind about them, as many others.. but maaaybe. Like, 53% compared to everyone else's 50%

(Less trusting of Ashley now.. She kinda went after that one simple comment, which reminds me of Spiros last game... but who knows?)

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EBWOP: I meant **about him... not 'them'

[fantom zoner]

Yes.. but the odds of him hurting a townie are much more likely, I believe. Because there have to be more townies than powers than Mafiosos with powers, right?

Considering there are like, 14 townies and 5 mafia.. right? plus 1 SK

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Aw come on! :lol: Am I really going to be suspicious because of my personality? My only reaction was a ":rotfl:" It was simply a comment.

This is like Skully and his "sleeping with the fishes" comment last game.



That's exactly what I said. That voting for you just for that reply doesn't make any sense. I guess I didn't make myself clear

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Yes.. but the odds of him hurting a townie are much more likely, I believe. Because there have to be more townies than powers than Mafiosos with powers, right?

Considering there are like, 14 townies and 5 mafia.. right? plus 1 SK


Which one of the roles are you referring to?

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

That's exactly what I said. That voting for you just for that reply doesn't make any sense. I guess I didn't make myself clear

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Which one of the roles are you referring to?

Hmm... roles. Well if the PGO only attacks those who are near them during the night... townies, are like, investigators, role-blockers, Clark...
mafia would be like .. roleblockers.. thats all I can think of.. I dunno.

It was just kinda common sense to me.. But I guess not?

[fantom zoner]

Hmm... roles. Well if the PGO only attacks those who are near them during the night... townies, are like, investigators, role-blockers, Clark...
mafia would be like .. roleblockers.. thats all I can think of.. I dunno.

It was just kinda common sense to me.. But I guess not?
That's why I said that I think it would be better if the townies new who that person is, so the good guys won't go near him. It would also prevent the mafia or Sk from going near him and dying from that, but I think we gain more from no townies getting killed, than from scum dying

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EBWOP:supposed to be 'knew' and not 'new'
and at the end, I meant that the chances of scum dying from the crazy gunman, are lower than those of townies dying

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

That's why I said that I think it would be better if the townies new who that person is, so the good guys won't go near him. It would also prevent the mafia or Sk from going near him and dying from that, but I think we gain more from no townies getting killed, than from scum dying

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EBWOP:supposed to be 'knew' and not 'new'
and at the end, I meant that the chances of scum dying from the crazy gunman, are lower than those of townies dying

ahh.. as in they know who it is?? I misunderstood. I thought you were saying that they are a benefit to the townies...(being unknown). that makes more sense now

[doodie8808]

FZ I am Suspcious of you because of your post like i said before. I have explained my methods many times but it seems like if you dont follow the crowd then you are outcast is the vibe i am getting. I am standing on my beliefs. D i am no where near scum. I would like to know why you think that when i am trying so hard in this game.

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I am suspicious of everybody FZ but your post the most send up smoke signals imo. The vibe i get from you and your wording is like your trying to figure out which way you want to go. I have been decisive in stating what i am aiming for.

[skully]

Actually, Jess' vote for Skully is a bit more serious than RVS, ...
I couldn't be bothered begging like I did for pages in the last game to try to convince accusers that I was an innocent townie - it was rather exhausting.

I was Lois last time after vehemently proclaiming my innocence. I am an innocent townie again this time, but I ain't gonna beg again. If that gets me lynched, so be it. I'd rather look for hard evidence on someone than spend all my time begging you all to believe me that I'm not scum.

[doodie8808]

Skully do you feel you are being folllow the leader voted for. Like other folloing each other i forgot the code for it

[skully]

Nah Christine. Jess is a seasoned Mafia player and I'm sure he has his reasons but at the moment it's nothing more than I am relaxed and a bit odd. I'm posting in a different style than in the previous game and it seems to have people looking quizzically in my direction. I can do nothing more than say "hey guys, I'm a townie, but do what you think you've gotta do."

Maybe he is trying to divert attention from himself.

VOTE: JESS

[Chlarkfan_phantom]

^You might have a point... but... I dunno.

I'm still going for a no lynch..

[SGuthrie27]

Wow, a lot of interesting stuff has happened since I last checked in, and it looks like it's time for another Vote Tally, eh? Only three more days to go before this round ends and the night begins... What will you all decide?! :

Day 1 Vote Tally:

Jess: 2 (Onox, Steve)
Josh: 1 (Diana)
Claire: 1 (Mars)
Steve: 1 (Jess)
Adam: 1 (John)
Diana: 1 (Ashley)

With 20 players alive, it takes 11 votes to lynch. Day 1 deadline is 11/19 @ 10 PM CST

[Blur 26]

Hehehe, so Josh has me as a suspect because I'm a little too relaxed and a little odd. :p

Excellent reasons to lynch a townie. [shrugs]


Well, to Josh and FZ, feel free to vote me off the Island. Another townie will needlessly bit the dust. I call you both out as straw-clutchers. :D

This is what I mean. It's posts like these that make me think you're hiding something.
Because neither FZ or I have voted for you, so why would you be thinking lynch?
Also, you voted Jess, then unvoted him, and now voted him again.
That seems a little strange to me. Then it seems like every time you do post you claim
your innocence. I don't know, right now my suspicions of you are based on pure instinct.
But right now these things just don't add up to me.

[fantom zoner]

FZ I am Suspcious of you because of your post like i said before. I have explained my methods many times but it seems like if you dont follow the crowd then you are outcast is the vibe i am getting. I am standing on my beliefs. D i am no where near scum. I would like to know why you think that when i am trying so hard in this game.

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I am suspicious of everybody FZ but your post the most send up smoke signals imo. The vibe i get from you and your wording is like your trying to figure out which way you want to go. I have been decisive in stating what i am aiming for.

I'm really not sure I understand what you're saying. I have told you in different ways that I don't suspect you that much, and I respect that you're very assertive with your line of investigation. I don't see how that counts as outcasting you for not followig the crowd. As for your second paragraph, I am trying to figure out which way I want to go. That's how I think I can catch scum. I don't know how else to do it. Since we have no actual clues, I think it's only reasonable to change our minds now and then. I don't see what bugs you so much? :confused:

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I couldn't be bothered begging like I did for pages in the last game to try to convince accusers that I was an innocent townie - it was rather exhausting.

I was Lois last time after vehemently proclaiming my innocence. I am an innocent townie again this time, but I ain't gonna beg again. If that gets me lynched, so be it. I'd rather look for hard evidence on someone than spend all my time begging you all to believe me that I'm not scum.

I'm not saying you have to act the same way you were acting last time, but it's not only that you don't beg people not to accuse you, it's that you are not really saying anything but shruging



Nah Christine. Jess is a seasoned Mafia player and I'm sure he has his reasons but at the moment it's nothing more than I am relaxed and a bit odd. I'm posting in a different style than in the previous game and it seems to have people looking quizzically in my direction. I can do nothing more than say "hey guys, I'm a townie, but do what you think you've gotta do."

Maybe he is trying to divert attention from himself.

VOTE: JESS

So what would make Jess different from me or Josh? Why would you vote for him and not us?

[Pali]

I see that discussion regards Skully´s innocence is going on and I have to say, that maybe you are onto something guys, but I still don´t see nothing suspicious about Steve. For me it makes sense that he don´t put too much energy into claiming he is innocent, because that wouldn´t make any difference. Maybe it´s because last game I knew he was Lois right from the start so I had to see how hard he had to try to gain some trust and it seems to me that he don´t put much effort to make him look innocent this time, because there will be probably No Lynch anyway. On the other hand some of your suspicions may be based on information gained from night 0 so it´s good to keep it in mind..........but I don´t see myself voting for Steve anytime soon, unless we will have some proof.

[jpfort1957]

I don't have any problems with the active players.........but there are 3 inactive players laying low in the shadows. I might be wrong, but I can't see a townie hiding out on us. I voted for Adam just to see if he will defend himself.

[skully]

So what would make Jess different from me or Josh? Why would you vote for him and not us?Mine was a tit-for-tat vote, just as Jeff and I did at the beginning of Game 1. Josh and you have your eye on me but haven't voted for me as Jess has.


...but I don´t see myself voting for Steve anytime soon, unless we will have some proof.Well thanks Pali. At least you aren't gonna lynch just cos I'm trying a different approach in this game. Still can't understand why "different" is suspicious, but there you go.


I don't have any problems with the active players.........but there are 3 inactive players laying low in the shadows. I might be wrong, but I can't see a townie hiding out on us. I voted for Adam just to see if he will defend himself.Prezackerly John. The lay-lowers are far more likely to be hiding scum than the more regular posters.

[fantom zoner]

Mine was a tit-for-tat vote, just as Jeff and I did at the beginning of Game 1. Josh and you have your eye on me but haven't voted for me as Jess has.

Well thanks Pali. At least you aren't gonna lynch just cos I'm trying a different approach in this game. Still can't understand why "different" is suspicious, but there you go.

Prezackerly John. The lay-lowers are far more likely to be hiding scum than the more regular posters.

Assuming I could go for your logic when voting for Jess and not the two of us, I can't for the life of me understand why you would say your last sentence, and with that much conviction. We all know perfectly well, that we lynched innocent people just because they were just "lurking". I was quite vocal last game, and so was Spiros, and we bothe were scum.
I'm sorry Skully I'm gonna have to go with my gut feeling and vote for you as well:
Vote: Skully