Buffy the Vampire Slayer

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Gah, you don't know how long it took me to actually type vampire slayer, rather than campfire slayer. :p Anyways, here's a thread for us to talk about our favourite episodes and moments in the show. :)

[nexgod]

i was gonna do one but i thought "nah"

anyways

STORYTELLER = my own best epi in season 7 :D

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Hee! Jonathan rocks. I loved that episode of Buffy, the slayer of the vampires! too. *snicker*

[nexgod]

its Andrew dearie :p

i loved that emphasis on the vampIRE

also ONWF was GREAT and also Hush

OMWF has to be my fave!

i have the soundtrack as well....whoops going off to geekiness there

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Oh, um, I knew that. It was just my old age kicking in. Hee. I loved Jonathan too, though. Superstar was hilarious.

Don't worry, I'm geeky too. I have the OMWF soundtrack. :p

[Hartski]

I don't know the names of the episodes, but when I start buying the DVD's I'll learn!

The worst moment I've seen is when Xander gets his eye put out. That sucked.

[nexgod]

i only know the names cos uh um, good memory :D

his eye got poked out in "Dirty Girls" i was like WHAT!!??? that came out from nowhere! then Xander made jokes about it like

"theres a party in my eye socket and everyones invited...sometimes i shouldnt be allowed to say words" :lol:

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Hee. I think he also said something about when he was at work everyone was making jokes like "It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye." Hehe.

But yeah, *sniffle* poor Xander. I can't believe they did that to him.

[rumpuso]

Once More With Feeling is just plain brilliant! I also loved the one (and I don't know the episode name) where Buffy dispatched Angel to hell the very second he regained his soul.

[MadCow]

Much as I love Buffy I was really annoyed about what happened to Anya in the finale. That sucked.

MadCow

[Disco]

Gah, you don't know how long it took me to actually type vampire slayer, rather than campfire slayer.
:rotfl:

watched it once in a while. one of my favorites was with dracula and xander made a joke and went ah, ah , ah. cracked me up. after a while the stories all seemed the same. loved seeing her kick all these guys butts though :).

[Piiike]

Originally posted by MadCow
Much as I love Buffy I was really annoyed about what happened to Anya in the finale. That sucked.

MadCow

no kidding, it was so anti-climatic

she was such a funny character. i love how brutally honest anya as well as cordelia can be towards the other characters. its hilarious.

high lights for me:
season 1 -
When buffy dreamed she was a vamp.

season 2 -

Buffy's interaction with Kendra the vampire slayer. Spike/Drusilla and Angel losing his soul.

season 3 -

everything with Faith. The mayor, he was funny. The tention between Faith/Buffy and their fight scenes.

The Zeppo episode - This episode was all about Xander. Faith takes his virginity.

Lovers Walk - When spike returns to sunnydale in the same fashion when he first came there, only this time he gets out of the car drunk.

and last but not least.
Mr. Trick. ( that guy was one of the funniest vampires on the
show period. Especially on the "Faith Hope & Trick" episode,
Mr.Trick orders a pizza during the day, when the pizza man knocks on the door, Mr. Trick says "Ah, Foods here".

He then goes and put on a huge glove and opens the door.
and yanks the pizza man inside instead of the pizza.

also the scene at the drive-thru.


Season 4 -

all the Anya and Spike moments. and the episode where chipped- spike finds out he can hurt demons. and his speech at the end of that episode.

Angel vs Riley


The Hush episode

Season 5 -

Glory was pretty funny. Spike was his usual self. Spike and the buffy bot having sex.
Anya
The Body episode - creeped me out.

Season 6 -

Anya
Spike
Evil Willow
Willow vs Buffy
and Xander stopping willow from destroying everything, that was emotional.

Season 7 -

I like the first few episodes involving Spike/The First.
Faith.
Andrew - he was a riot
Jonathan
Anya

[Kerryann]

Since I'm a big Angelus (not Angel) fan, I have to say that "Innocent" and "Passions" was my favorite eppy.

I mean, Angel lost his soul... (And from sex no less) I love bad Angel!

Can I loose my soul by having sex?

[MadCow]

Originally posted by Kerryann
Can I loose my soul by having sex?

According to my Grandmother that's a big YES.

If you listen to the directors commentary for this episode Joss talks about the age old tale of a girl sleeping with her boyfriend only to have him turn into a completely different guy afterwards. I think he took that a bit literally.

To quote Lorn - at least then...leather pants :D

MadCow

[Deysi]

Yes OMWF was a great episode.. I also have the soundtrack:eek: Cause I love Spike's song Rest In Piece lol..

There are soo many episodes that I love.. Hush was another great one.. I thought the one when Spike and Buffy just held each other.. I think it was called Empty Places.. I thought it was cute..:cool:

But there are soo many others.. I miss that show..


~Mandy~

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Hee, I love the scene in the Invisible episode in Spike's crypt, when Xander comes to ask Spike if he knows where Buffy is and you see her playing with his ear as he's talking to Xander, trying not to giggle. So funny. :)

[Deysi]

I love the scene in the Invisible episode in Spike's crypt, when Xander comes to ask Spike if he knows where Buffy is and you see her playing with his ear as he's talking to Xander

I thought that was hilarious.. When he asked Spike what he was doing and Spike said he was exercising :rotfl:

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Hee. Yes.

I heard that they glued a stick or wire or something to the back of JM's ear so that it would appear to move on it's own.

[Big Albowski]

My Buffy thoughts:
Buffy's best episode IMO... 'The Body'! The acting in that ep is superb and the fact that no music was used just added to the emotional feel! A close second is 'Hush'!

Some of my personal faves are 'Once More With Feeling', 'Lover's Walk', 'The Wish', 'The Zeppo', 'Something Blue', 'Tabula Rasa', 'Normal Again', 'Selfless', and 'Chosen'!

Favorite characters are Spike, Willow and Xander! I also have a special place in my heart for Tara!

Favorite villians are Evil Willow (as a vamp and dark witch), Glory, and Caleb! I find it hard to think of Spike as a villian!

Al

[nexgod]

i thought that ear was CGI!

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Maybe they used CGI to get rid of the wires or something. Or maybe I heard wrong. I guess there's no way of telling.

[MadCow]

My favourite ever episode of Buffy has to be "Band Candy" where all of the adults become teens again. Joyce and Giles on the hood of the police car :D and Snyder being the spaz that no one wants to hang around with :D I could watch it again and again.

MadCow

Thanks Huffy

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

You're welcome, MadCow. Hee. I love the episode where Buffy hears everyone's thoughts and hears about the events in Band Candy.

Band Candy is a classic episode. There are just so many that can be described as a favourite in the series for me.

[Daniel Powell]

My favourit episode it probably 'Halloween'. It's great fun. I liked Xander as the army guy, buffy as a 'traditonal lady' and the whole irony of Halloween.

[MadCow]

Originally posted by Daniel Powell
My favourit episode it probably 'Halloween'. It's great fun. I liked Xander as the army guy, buffy as a 'traditonal lady' and the whole irony of Halloween.

I just love the part in that one where Willow walks through the library wall and Giles throws his card index all over the place. However in the same episode we do get to see Ripper for the first time. Oh to be with Rupert Giles in London in the 70's :lol:

MadCow

[Kerryann]

Dopplegangland....


"Hands, hands"

[MadCow]

Was it The Replacement when Xander got split in two? The Snoopy Dance!!!!!

MadCow

[llkk]

Buffy the Vampire Slayer is nothin compared to smallville and i really don't understand why this thread has been created

Talk bout way off topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Disco]

wrong thread hun. the one you want is on the general forum. this thread is just for buffy and has nothing to do with smallville.

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Originally posted by llkk
Buffy the Vampire Slayer is nothin compared to smallville and i really don't understand why this thread has been created

Talk bout way off topic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This thread has been created because people WANT to talk about Buffy, and as this is an OFF-TOPIC forum, we can talk about it here.

As for being off-topic? YOU are being off topic for talking about Smallville in a Buffy thread.

[nexgod]

ppft what an attention seeker,

yeh this thread is so off the topic in an off topic forum.

Anyway, back on topic, Replacement had Nicholos Brendens, twin brother in it, and he couldnt even tell who was who!!

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Hee. Yeah, his name is Kelly Donovan (they go by their first and middle names, rather than their last name). Nick said that he still did most of the acting. Although it's sometimes Kelly used when Xander has to be in the background of a scene and he also filled in for Nick in the episode Intervention, because he was sick. But for the most part he worked on the crew.

[MadCow]

During season 5 with Glory and her bumpy minions I could have sworn that one of them was Kelly, I've looked on IMDB and it doesn't say that it was him, but I'm still half convinced. Kelly does have a slightly funny eye (I know that sounds cruel) and that's enough to tell them apart.

I'll have to go and watch intervention again, thanks for the info.

MadCow

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

You're welcome. :)

[Dannyblue1]

I loved any episode that showed Spike as a young human/vampire. Before "Fool For Love", everyone assumed that, as a human, Spike was some 19th century, low class punk, a killer and a thug. But, as it turns out, he was a well-born, sensitive, highly educated poet. And, the way they did it, it made sense. Yeah, soulless Spike was brutal and cruel, but there was always something poetic about the way he talked.

"Lies My Parents Told Me" was great. William's gentle, sweet, kind, caring, supportive mother is dying, so he turns her into a vampire so she'll never die. She turns into a vicious, cruel woman who, as Spike later says, "Tried to shag me." Horrified that he'd turned his mother into a monster, he kills her. Brilliant.

As for the show itself, seasons 2 and 3 are my favorite. And, like many, I believe the season 5 finale should have been the end of the series. It made me cry, and I couldn't see how the show could ever top that. Which, as it turns out, it couldn't.

Angelus was my favorite villain. He was just so mean, and so passionate about being mean. He really enjoyed being evil. It was such a change from Angel (who I love more than Angelus, just to be clear) that it was interesting to watch.

[nexgod]

ooh First Date was on BB2 today, old memories from season 2 and 3 about Xander and demon dates

[Hartski]

Heh, Xander had the worst luck with demon women, didn't he?

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

*giggle* I love that Xander said he should go gay so that he wouldn't keep attracting women and asked Willow to 'gay him up'. Then Spike (I think) said he'd still probably only attract demon men (HoYay!). *giggle*

[nexgod]

the flashcards1!!

"holy crap" says Dawn

ooh i cant wait till tonights epi!! on BBC2 at 6:45 ;)

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Heeee. Those flashcards were hilarious!

[Hartski]

Are you talking about the ones Giles drew for the Chinese Potential?

Those were funny!

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Yeah, those flashcards. :)

[nexgod]

Storyteller was on!!

MY FAVOURITE EPI but they cut soo many scenes out, grrr @ BBC2

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Aww, I missed it too. But I can re-live it in my memory. Hehe.

[Buffyishot!!!]

hush,band candy,once more with feeling,my God there are just way too many brilliant episodes that i could call my favourites to list here.what a great show it was! oh and if u live in the uk or ireland and saw channel 4's top 100 scary moments in movie and tv of all time.buffy episode Hush came in 27th i think even beating silence of the lambs.it was a freaky episode!!

[manoftommrow79]

I think the nerd trio were the worst villians in buffy the vampire slayer. Season 5 is coming out Tuesday anyone planning on getting a copy. And speaking of Season 5 did anyone think Dawn was just plain annoying.

I wished there were more crossovers with Buffy and Angel

[nexgod]

i think the nerd trio were one of the funniest
season 5? where do u live??

anyways

it was ALL ABOUT THE CEREAL POURING!

[rumpuso]

I used to obsess over BTVS just as much as I do Smallville now. I really loved that show (although I wasn't a huge fan of the last season). Maybe I should invest in the some of the dvds...

[ninabean]

Originally posted by HuffyTheCampfireSlayer
his name is Kelly Donovan

I love kelly to bits, he's the sweetest guy in the world.

i like so many buffy episodes, not sure which i like most, i do really love "Sleeper" coz I was on set when they filmed some of it, so I have some great memories when I watch it.

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

That's really cool, Nina. :) I don't quite know all the episode names, I'm afraid. What happened in Sleeper? It's cool that you got to meet Kelly (I assume you did, because you said he was sweet).

[ninabean]

Sleeper is from s7- episode 8, when they find out Sike has been killing again, and at the end all the scoobs are round the table in the summers house talking about it and spike is sat in a chair with a blue blanket round him.

I have met kelly, a few times. the pics in my sig are of me, kelly and his girlfriend stacey. She was in Conversations With Dead People (7x07) and Sleeper, Spike killed her.

[nexgod]

oooh thats cool!! i remember her!

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Yeah, I remember that episode now. How cool! :)

[Hartski]

"As You Were." was on last night. It was a pretty good episode, in my opinion. I liked Riley's wife.

[Dannyblue1]

I liked Riley's wife too. She could fight, which is always number one in my books. And she wasn't a shrew. So many women would have had a problem with their husband being anywhere near his ex-girlfriend. But Sam was cool about it. She didn't seem jealous or anything. In fact, she seemed to want to like Buffy.

What I disliked was how she'd try to be nice to the Scoobs, and they'd smile to her face but, as soon as her back was turned, they'd make a snarky, mean-spirited comment about her. I think this was supposed to be their way of making Buffy feel better (a "Don't worry, Buffy. We're being nice to Riley's wife, but we don't really liked her," kind of thing). It made them all seem petty.

[MadCow]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
What I disliked was how she'd try to be nice to the Scoobs, and they'd smile to her face but, as soon as her back was turned, they'd make a snarky, mean-spirited comment about her. I think this was supposed to be their way of making Buffy feel better (a "Don't worry, Buffy. We're being nice to Riley's wife, but we don't really liked her," kind of thing). It made them all seem petty.

Well, it was mostly Willow and she had to do that for Buffy, "that's the best friends job." I've done it too, you have to sometimes, that's why I liked this episode.

On the subject of Dawn, she played a 15 yr old very well, very annoying. At least in the final series she grew a spine and turned into watcher junior. She turned out alright in the end.

MadCow

[nexgod]

her chemistry with Tom Lenk was great

[Deysi]

Season 5 is coming out Tuesday anyone planning on getting a copy

I plan on getting it.. Its on my Christmas List so hopefully someone gets it for me:D

Season 5 just made me laugh with Spike when he made his own Buffybot.. That was funny:lol:

[Beady Eyes]

Just wanted to introduce myself.

For the record, I loved the Trio because it is completely absured that these three geeks managed to almost destroy the world by killing Tara.

I thought Dawn was well played and brought a youhfulness to the show which was missing in season 4.

My only real complaint is and always has been that Oz didn't make it back in season 7 at some point.

[willowaz]

my fave episode has to be the one where no-one could speak, can't remember what it was called. cos it had humour and terror in it and it showed how brilliant the actors in BTVS are.

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

It was called Hush and it got an emmy nomination for best writing, I believe.

[nexgod]

it was a GREAT episode

also side note, it was the first time Buffy and Riley kissed in an epi ;)

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Eww. Riley sucks! :p

[nexgod]

if u werent British!!!

Faiths in tonights epi i think !!

[nexgod]

its ending pretty soon again

im just reliving it through BBC2

[vyperman7]

I love Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

My favorite character - Spike without a doubt. Although, I also liked Buffy, Xander, Willow, Anya, Faith, The Mayor, and Glory. The only characters I had a hard time getting into were Dawn, Tara, and Riley.

My favorite seasons were 3 and 5. I have not seen season 7 yet, and I am going to catch it on DVD when it comes out. Seasons 1,2, and 4 were all pretty good as well. The only season I have not been able to get into was season 6. However, there were a few good episodes. I liked the mental institution episode where she is told that all her friends and everything that happened in the last 6 years was all part of her imagination. I also liked the singing episode as well.

[nexgod]

ITS FINISHED ON BBC2
sad day that was on thursday

gonna watch videos again

[Sian_Raven]

It's finished. Now there's nothing on to entertain me when I get home from work. :(

Spike is my fav character. I don't know why, but I just think he's really good looking.

But did you know that James Marsters is actually 41 years old!!!

I don't think there are many men out there who look that good for their age. :D

[willowaz]

is he really 41? i knew he was older but not by that much!!

willow always has and always will be my favourite character!

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Yeah, James Marsters is. He wouldn't say his age for a long time. So I guessed it must be something like that. The reason he didn't tell his age sooner is that he was afraid that people [read people that think he's hot] might not like him as much as before if they knew his true age.

[Deysi]

Yeah when I found out that James was 41 I was like :eek:

But he is one hot 41 year old :lol:

~Mandy~

[Hopefulsuicide]

God i love buffy. Before smallville it was the greatest show on earth (although it does still take alot to decided which is better).

The best episodes where becoming, graduationday, and chosen.

Actually ive been needing to ramble about chosen for a while cause i really loved the ending. It's just through all the season buffy had wanted a normal life... and now she can have one. It was just so satisfying that they didnt kill her. That last line hit me so hard. 'So what are you gonna do now?'

and she just smiles... like thats all shes gonna do, be happy.

Plus i loved tht sunnydale is gone. It's almost as though sunnydale cant survive without buffy.

[willowaz]

yeah, they did end buffy in a really great way, it even made my cry (sad i know) but some moments really hit home.
i think the writters of chosen did a really good job, concluding all the end threads and putting a little humour here and there. i really enjoyed it!

[freakandgeek]

buffy has been my favorite show since it started. i love it. now that its not on the air anymore, smallville is my favorite show. i love both shows because they are not the "whine whine im in love and i can't do anything about it" shows. not to smash dawsons creek, but sometimes i just need more then love quarrels and friends. i need some substance. thats why i love shows like buffy and smallville. they have it all!

[Chase M]

I wasn't ever going to post in this thread as I'm a huge fan of the show, and of Joss and such, but just didn't want to post on the subject outside of my and the other forum I visit for my Whedonverse posting.

Love Buffy, which is in my opinion one of the best shows ever to be shown on TV, if not the greatest.

Joss Whedon is a genius, and an inspiration. Great, talented man. Much better than Tarantino, from my perspective.

Yep. :)

[CelticAngel]

Ah BtVS. Such a great show. That and Angel are the other things I watch besides Smallville... well until Buffy ended, now it's just Smallville and Angel. I read some people saying they're geeky cuz they have the OMWF soundtrack. LOL! I've got that, lots of the books, a Spike figurine (well it's on pre-order anyway) all the DVDs released in the US so far. Not to mention I built a BtVS/Angel website. Oh and did I mention I also have James Marsters' band, Ghost of the Robot, CD? Obsessed? You betcha!

Oh, and the actual reason James never wanted to admit to being 41 is more for typecasting than anything. If casting directors look at his resume and see his age they will automatically put him with characters in that age range in there head and it's harder for them to see him playing someone younger. It's fairly common for actors to not put their age on they resumes.

Fav eps? Hush, The Body, OMWF, Fool for Love to name a few. Joss is a god, that's for sure. And I think it's great that some of the BtVS writers came over to write for Smallville as well. :D

Ok, I'll stop now. Could talk about this forever. If you're interested, visit my BtVS/Angel site http://www.thebuffysite.com

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Ah, okay CA. I'd just heard that it was more for the sake of fans than anything.

[Miss Lane]

I was disappointed that Dawn didn't turn out to be the next slayer although I know it can't run forever.

My fave character was Xander mainly because of his wise cracks. My other half would haveto say Alyson Hannigan who he's liked ever since seeing her in American Pie. Watched Buffy for 10 minutes instead of five after that. Men! :lol:

[Deysi]

Oh and did I mention I also have James Marsters' band, Ghost of the Robot, CD?

I have that as well.. Its a good cd.. I always listen to it..:D For a while there I thought I might of been the only one that had it:lol:


~Mandy~

[Vortex]

I just wanted to let you guys know that I I just watched the first season of buffy. I never gave it a chance. But my friend kinda force me into watching them. he said "here watch the first season and if after watching all 3 dvd'd you still don't like it, then I will not bother you about them again". And boy was he right. now I'm into buffy, and have a few more seasons to catch up on.....wish me luck.

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Good luck, Vortex and welcome to a wonderful, inventive and entertaining show!

[angelus666]

Yeah I to only watch Buffy, Angel and Smallville they are some awsome show's. My favorite Buffy Episode is "Fool For Love" Written by Doug Petrie Directed by Nick Marck.

[Vortex]

Well I finished season 1, and now I'm on eason two and I love it. Spike is my favorite. But I do have a coupleof things that I don't like about Buffy...

1. The way the vampires look. It seems... I don't know, that's just not how I would picture a vampire.

2. it seems that once someone get's turned into a vampire they get the fangs, the thirst for blood, and the most important one.........theri martial arts skills..........

Just a tought ...

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

They can still fight without their vamp faces. Angel and Spike have proven that.

But yeah, season one special effects leave a little to be desired, but that's because they were drafted in to fill in for a show that got cancelled half-way through the season. So the production had to be quick.

[Big Albowski]

Originally posted by Vortex
and the most important one.........theri martial arts skills..........

Just a tought ...
That actually became a joke later in the series! Dawn mentions that they should kill a vamp "before he learns those martial arts they inevidently seem to pick up" or some line to that effect!

Al

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Hee, yes. I remember that, Al. I loved the fact that the show could make fun of itself.

[Yaso]

I liked the first three seasons, the sixth (I believe, wasn't it the bad-willow thing?) more than the others.

It was kind of a big change in their style. I hope there'll be a buffy movie in a few years with the whole crew.

[Dannyblue1]

What's interesting about that first season is that nobody, including Joss Whedon, expected them to be picked up for a second season. So he decided to make it like a mini-series so that, if those 13 episodes were all there were ever going to be, you could watch them and feel like you got a complete story without any loose ends or what ifs left over. If you look at it, the story in season 1 has a clear beginning (Buffy arrives in Sunnydale and the Master rises), middle, and end (Buffy defeats the Master). In fact, the last episode of season one almost feels like a series finale. The bad guys have been defeated, the Hellmouth has been closed, and the heros go off to live their lives.

When you think about what everyone expected, the fact that the show went for 7 seasons (most of them critically aclaimed) is amazing.

[Yaso]

Maybe that was the whole problem for me - In the end, there were to many elements of a soap opera show in it. Mostly, I don't like shows going for such a long time, and storylines over so many episodes. But it was quite okay, though.

[SwedishSuperhero]

They started to show Buffy on a Swedish tv channel this Monday, and I´ve been watching ever since. Actually, it was already shown on another network, but late at night, so I didn´t watch it then. I´m glad it´s on the afternoon now, cause I like it. It´s like Smallville with a twist of vampire. Last ep I saw was the one with the cheerleader witch who turned out to have switched bodies with her teenage daughter. Could somebody show a list of the episode titles? I haven´t followed this thread, so maybe you´ve already got one there.

[Yaso]

It must be season 1 or 2.

Here's an episode guide: http://buffy.co.nz/epguide.php

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by SwedishSuperhero
Last ep I saw was the one with the cheerleader witch who turned out to have switched bodies with her teenage daughter.

Wow, you got some good stuff coming up. That episode is called "The Witch". It's about a woman whose glory days were back in high school. So, to relive those days, she switched bodies with her own daughter, Amy. (Who became a semi-regular character.) "The Witch" is only the third episode of season 1. And, as good as season 1 is, seasons 2 and 3 are the best. So, SwedishSuperhero, as much as you're liking the show now, it gets even better!

[U2K Tha Greate$t]

Buffy fell off when they started to add that stupid lesbian crap and forgot to add more fighting. The title of the show saids Buffy the vampire, but after season 2 into 3, i hardly ever saw any vampires. All i saw was more lesbian action, more dumb jokes, and less fighting and more forincation between whoever and whenever. Angel is heading towards that same path!

[willowaz]

thats quite a strong view you've got there U2K Tha Greate$t, and its your opinion to have, but it could upset some people the way that you put it. there are oly so meny vampire slayings that you can put into one show, there has to be some variation!

[Yaso]

But I think in some points he's right. Nothing against the lesbian action ^^ - but after season 3 the show started to get a little bit boring, I think.
When Willow became bad, it actually improved BtVS a lot!

I personally think there was no need to get a season seven.

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by U2K Tha Greate$t
Buffy fell off when they started to add that stupid lesbian crap

The quality of a show has nothing to do with the sexual oriention of its characters. In fact, I don't think the Willow/Tara relationship was handled any differently than male/female relationships have been on the show. The fact that they were both women almost didn't come into it. They were two people in love, and had problems just like any two people in love have in the course of their relationship. Just like Buffy and Riley, Xander and Anya, etc.

[Hartski]

I think it would have been cool for Xander and Buffy to have a little friends "with benifits" action going on.

[U2K Tha Greate$t]

Originally posted by Dannyblue1
They were two people in love, and had problems just like any two people in love have in the course of their relationship. Just like Buffy and Riley, Xander and Anya, etc. [/B]



Sorrry to break the news but their relationship or love relationship whatever it was , was alot different then normal relationships, cause their relationship was lust. Love comes from GOD, thus 2 women in a relationship is not a something that GOD likes to see, therefore it's lust. Also you mention that people in a relationship have problems. Well that's not true, i have been in a relationship for about 2-3 years and im getting married soon to a wonderful woman and we have had no problems, and you know why? It's because we follow the commandments and laws that the world's creator has laid upon us.

Sorry for the preaching lol, just had to correct you there. You might not agree with what i just said, and that's alright!

[nexgod]

ok thats your opinion


anyhows, some people say Buffy declined after season 3

[Yaso]

After season three the show lost this classic horror movie feeling, which was actually the best about BtVS (excluding SMG) and went on to sth. like a soap opera.

[KSiteTV]

U2K, please keep religious discussions off of the KryptonSite boards. Religion is a hot topic that generally will only cause arguments.

[Beady Eyes]

So......anyway.....

I can't wait to see Andrew next week on Angel. Guess he really did reform and is now a good guy watcher in training. I really do miss the show. Its humor was sophisticated with just the right amount of locker room thrown in for good measure.

What did you all think of SMG's voice dubbing in last weeks Angel? Kind of cheesy, but it also lent a certain surreal aspect to the scene that made it work.

I'd love to see ASH or NB show up and maybe give Angel and co. a few updates on the new Watchers Council and such. Maybe try to recruit Wes back.

[TorchJournalist1989]

People say the show declined after season 3

Has anyone seen season 5? In my opinion this was one of the best seasons. Glory was an awesome Big Bad and the finale was definitely one of the best of the series. It actually made me cry a little.

I usually encounter people who say after season 5 the show declined because of the switching of networks and the Spuffy in season 6.

As for Willow and Tara I think they were my favorite ship on the show. I loved seeing those two together.

[Vortex]

I have seen season 1 and 2, I just rented season 3. So far I think the show is great, and I'm looking forward to seeing season 3. I will let you guys know my oppinion about it.

[Dannyblue1]

Season 1 was very good for a first season, it didn't seem to take them long to work the kinks out. Seasons 2 and 3 were the best for most of the fans, including me. Season 4 was sort of so-so, but there were some great episodes. In season 5, the series really rebounded; it was almost as good as seasons 2 and 3. Seasons 6 and 7 are definately the worst, in my opinion. And, oddly, I think the freedom BtVS got at UPN was partly to blame.

The WB wouldn't let Joss Whedon and Co. do a lot of things. For example, they couldn't be too graphic with the sexual content, and the network didn't want the show to be too dark. One of the things UPN used to lure the show away from the WB was the promise that they could do just about anything they wanted. And boy did they. They were like kids let lose in a candy store, and I think they went overboard. You had sex, and nudity, and sexual violence, and the show went so dark it left many of its fans depressed.

As for Spuffy ruining the show, I don't think that's necessarilly true. I really didn't like the idea of Spike/Buffy but, the way it was written early in season 6 (where it seemed like they were becoming friends, and Spike was trying to support her through a tough time), I thought, "Hey, this might not be too bad." Then, somewhere along the line, someone decided to make the relationship dark and abusive and, to be honest, ugly. I guess they were going for drama and realism, but they really turned off lots of fans by going in that direction with the storyline.

[What The]

is it just me or is Maria Mckee from that 80s punk band Lone Justice a spitting image of Sarah Michelle?

http://194.16.8.16/htmdocs/Mckee.gif

[Beady Eyes]

I think it might just be you. :)

Anyone know if Buffy season 6 will include OMWF in cd format? Would be a nice extra.

[nexgod]

Why?

You can just buy the OMWF album however you do get a few karoke songs and of course a behind the scenes on the DVD

[HuffyTheCampfireSlayer]

Over here in the UK you can get OMWF on DVD with a few extras. My friend has it.

[Beady Eyes]

Why?

Because I am dropping $54.00 on a DVD set and it would be a really nice extra. Don't get me wrong, I love BTVS and would buy it anyway, but it would be a terrific surprise. Kinda like the little note from Joss in the 4th seaons boxed set explaining why we won't see a letterbox version of BTVS. Not needed, but nice to see.

[willowaz]

i miss buffy so much! :(

[Beady Eyes]

Amen. What ever happened with the Ripper spin off? Anyone know? The time is nearly ripe for some type of Watchers council show. I'd watch a show about watchers as long as it had Tm Lenk and his DR. Who hair.

[nexgod]

??

Angel was on , Damage it was called! had Andrew in!! mentioning Buffy not trusting Angel anymore

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by Beady Eyes
Amen. What ever happened with the Ripper spin off? Anyone know?

The project, which was going to be a mini-series type thing, never really got off the ground, which is surprising since it seemed like such a sure thing. The show was going to be set in England, because the actor who plays Giles wanted to move back there to be closer to his family. He even left BtVS and moved to England, that's how sure everyone was that RIPPER was going to be made.

But something happened. The scripts never came together, and interest in the project faded. Plus, if I remember, Joss Whedon was working on FIREFLY at the same time, and maybe couldn't give RIPPER a lot of his attention.

Eventually, the project completely fell through, and Anthony Stewart Head returned to BtVS as a permanent guest star.

But never fear. I think they are always looking for new ways to spin-off BtVS, and the Watchers would probably play a big part in any new storyline, considering there are now hundreds of Slayers. In fact, there was talk of a "Slayer School" series not so long ago.

[Yaso]

Hmm ... "Slayer School"? Only with Nicholas Brandon and Alyson Hannigan as teachers in magic, fighting a.s.o - and SMG as guest star in some episodes. That would be nice. And a little bit more mistery, please! Not to much of a soap opera.

[nexgod]

hmm umm cant say im liking that

[Dannyblue1]

The "Slayer School" thing was just one of the ideas they seemed to be considering. They were also considering FAITH: THE VAMPIRE SLAYER (but the actress claimed not to wanted to be a lead on a TV series...just before she started TRU CALLING), and a Spike series. But like RIPPER and BTVS: THE ANIMATED SERIES, they never got off the ground.

It seems like the cartoon got closer than any of them. Here's the actual artwork. (Done by a guy who worked on BATMAN BEYOND; the style is very similar.) On the left-handed side of the screen, click on the individual boxes under BUFFY: ANIMATED to see the different characters.


Buffy: the Animated Series Art (http://www.ericwight.com/portfolio/buffy001.html)

[nexgod]

oh yes i remember this, with Jonathon playing the voice of Xander

its seems that SMG wouldnt lend her voice, she seems to have taken leave of Buffy forever now......

[Miss Lane]

I would have been for a Faith:The Vampire Slayer show. Oh well.

[vyperman7]

Favorite character - Spike

Favorite romance - Spike / Buffy

Favorite Villan - Tie between Glory and Angelus

What are your favorite seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer? I never managed to catch the show while it was on television, but I have seen every episode of the show up through season 5. I am highly anticipating my season 6 set.

Season 2 was very good, especially with Angelus, seeing Spike seen on a more regular basis, and the way that it ended.

But if I had to choose, I would have to say that seasons 3 and 5 are neck and neck. I would probably have to give the slight edge to season 3 because of Faith. However, Glory was almost as good, Spike was great, there was the dramatic death of Joyce, and the last episode "The Gift" was the best season finale yet.

Season 4 was decent at best. It did have its good episodes like Hush, Harsh Light of Day, Fear Itself, Something Blue, This Year's Girl/Who Are You, Primeval, and Restless. But I found Riley and the whole story with the Iniative to be a bore.

I have heard that season 6 is the weakest season of the show. However, I am hoping that it manages to at least be as good as season 4.

Also, which show is better in your opinion - Buffy or Angel?? I enjoy both shows, but I have to give the sligh edge to Buffy.

[redkryp]

Lets see:

Favorite character- Willow

Favorite romance- Angel/Buffy or Willow/Kennedy

Favorite villian- The great Angelus

Favorite quote:
"Passion...It lies in all of us. Sleeping...waiting... And though unwanted... unbidden... it will stir... open its jaws, and howl.
It speaks to us... guides us... Passion rules us all. And we obey. What other choice do we have?
Passion is the source of our finest moments. The joy of love... the clarity of hatred... and the ecstasy of grief.
It hurts sometimes more than we can bear. If we could live without passion, maybe we'd know some kind of peace. But we would be hollow.
Empty rooms, shuttered and dank... Without passion, we'd be truly dead." - Angelus, ("Passion" season 2, episode 17)

I dont think that there were any seasons of Buffy that I did not love, but I would say that season 7 was my favorite, good plot and a great finale.

Which show is better, Buffy or Angel? Thats a tough one, bc both were so freakin awesome, but I will have to go with Angel (with the exception of the whole Jasmine thing, that was horrible)

[SwedishSuperhero]

Favourite character: Oz

Favourite romance: Oz & Willow

Favourite villain: The Mayor

So far I´ve only seen the first 4 seasons (4th season finale runs today) and I´ve liked all of them so far. If I have to pick a fave season it´d be 3. It´s the only complete season with Oz, the sultan of subtleness, it has a Slayer going evil. The Mayor was an amusing character since he was nice and perky on the verge of annoying but still so evil. The What If?-episode "The Wish" where Anya makes her first appearance is one of the best eps IMHO. The season also had a good start with Buffy returning from her Exile and has to handle the consequences of her abcense.

[Dannyblue1]

Favorite character - Willow (but I love Spike, too). I wasn't the biggest Angel fan in the world during seasons 1 to 3, which is weird considering how I felt once he got his own show.

Favorite romance - I didn't exactly have a favorite, but I still love Giles/Jenny as in an "if only she hadn't died" way. I love fics in which she's still alive.

Favorite Villan - Angelus, without a doubt.

What are your favorite seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer? Have to go with season 3, with season 2 a close second. Season 1 was a great first season. Season 4 had some great episodes, but seemed to be missing something overall, and Adam was the most boring Big Gad ever. Season 5 really recovered and I thought it was great, just not as good as 2 and 3. (And it had the best finale.) Season 6 was too grim; it took Buffy twenty-two episodes to get over her depression which, while maybe realistic, wasn't all that fun to watch. In season 7, nothing happened. Really, it was like the show was running in place, not getting anywhere week after week. But there were some good episodes.


Also, which show is better in your opinion - Buffy or Angel?? I prefer ANGEL. I loved BtVS, and actually thought ANGEL was gonna suck. In fact, I was so sure of it, I wasn't even going to watch "City Of", the premiere. But it came on after BtVS, and I thought, "What the heck? Might as well see for myself how bad this thing is really going to be?"

Well, fifteen minutes into "City Of", I was hooked. And have pretty much been hooked ever since.

[ShadowQueen]

Favorite Character - Angel, Faith

Favorite Romance - Buffy/Angel. One of my favorite couples, period. On a smaller level, Giles/Jenny.

Favorite Villian - Angelus.

Favorite season - Shouldn't come as a surprise. Season two. I think season two is when Buffy hit its stride. The introduction of Spike & Dru, along with Angel turning to Angelus after sleeping with Buffy, made for some fantastic television. It had some of the best episodes of the show, IMO - Innocence & Surprise, Passion, Becoming...

My second choice would probably be season three.

BTVS or Angel - BTVS, easily. I loved Angel to death when it first began (great premiere and first season), but I think it fell apart faster than Buffy did. I enjoyed Buffy through season five (think they should've stopped there), but Angel I only enjoyed until sometime during the middle of season three. I loathed season four (Jasmine, yuck), and this last season seemed pointless save for a few episodes. I don't like the direction they went in, nor the tone of the show as it continued. The only thing positive I can say about Angel in the later years - Wesley became a great character.

[Dru]

Favorite Character - Spike

Favorite Romance - Spike/Drusilla

Favorite Villian - Angelus.

Favorite season - Season two. I loved Spike and Drusilla wonderful romance and Angel losing his soul was so great. Everything about Season two was wonderful. I liked eps but in no other season after two did I love every single moment like I did with Season two.

BTVS or Angel - Umm I don't know...I really, really loved Buffy for a long time but it went downhill so much with the last two seasons....but with Angel I have to say it's always been great. It went out on top.

[jmf2g]

Favorite Character: Xander
Favorite Romance: Xander and Cordy
Favorite Villain: The Mayor/Faith combo
Favorite Season: Season Three
Angel Or BTVS: I'm gonna go have to go with BTVS, it really just blows Angel away, although Angel is still amazing.

[Big Albowski]

Favorite Character: Spike
Favorite Romance: Spike/Buffy
Favorite Villain: Glory and The Trio (really!!)
Favorite Season: Season Five... the Glory arc
Angel Or BTVS: Tie

Al

[Summers]

Favorite Character: three way tie Buffy, Spike, and Xander
Favorite Romance: Spike/Buffy(in season 5&7), and Tara/Willow
Favorite Villian: Glory and Angelus
Favorite Season: things are my favs

season two was really a good foundation w/ Surprise and Innocence..and Becoming Pt. 1&2

season three was just plain cool w/ the intro of Faith w/ her being the opposite of Buffy. and very well-written episodes

season four only Hush, Primeval, and Restless some other ones

season five all of it. it had such continuity w/ every episode. of inclusion of Dawn(which brought a different dynmanic. The Body, The Gift, Checkpoint, and Fool For Love

season six i really like because it was such a hard, dark season(that sometimes Angel couldnt do at times). but i thought it had to happen. after all that happened buffy, willow, and spike had to show us there dark side along w/ the good. willow has been borderline w/ magic since season 3 that Giles warned her about. Once More, With Feeling; Tabulasa Rasa, Normal Again, Seeing Red to Grave were great

season seven was really well done because it brought everything back to the beginning. what the show really meant w/ the finale Chosen. all the girls receiving power. Conversations W/ Dead People, Get it Done, Bring On the Night, Showtime, Storyteller, Lies My Parents Told Me, Dirty Girls to Chosen. Faith came back :) on the good side. ubervamps and Caleb were interesting. But spike and buffy had to trust one another again. and that trust went has far has Buffy protecting Spike from her friends, and him being her champion. she believed in him, and he believed in her.

i really saw the show like a big story, but all the seasons intertwined. that's why i love Buffy more because i could relate to the characters more.

[vyperman7]

I am confused about something. In season 2 when Spike was first introduced, he said that Angel was his "sire". However, in the episode "Foor for Love" in season 5, Spike is shown being turned into a vampire by Drusilla. Doesn't the word sire mean the vampire responsible for turning a person into a vampire? If so, that would mean that Drusilla was Spike's sire. Why would Spike say his sire is Angel?

[ShadowQueen]

Technically, Angel is Spike's grand-sire. Angel made Dru, who turned Spike. But maybe that's not a term the vamps use. ;)

[TorchJournalist1989]

Favorite Character : Tie between Buffy and Willow <3

Favorite Romance : Willow and Tara

Favorite Villain : Glory

Favorite Season : Tough one. I'll have to say overall...most likely season 5.

Though I do hold a special place in my heart for season 1. They're all pretty awesome though.

Between Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel, my favorite is Buffy. Like someone else mentioned, I think that they had more characters I could relate to more. Buffy and Willow being those ones. I loved their struggles, their imperfections, all of it.


Originally posted by vyperman7
I am confused about something. In season 2 when Spike was first introduced, he said that Angel was his "sire". However, in the episode "Foor for Love" in season 5, Spike is shown being turned into a vampire by Drusilla. Doesn't the word sire mean the vampire responsible for turning a person into a vampire? If so, that would mean that Drusilla was Spike's sire. Why would Spike say his sire is Angel?

He probably said this more than likely becasue Angel was basically his mentor when he became a vampire. So I guess he used Sire as in terms of Angel taking Spike under his wing somewhat (Though he was annoyed by Spike.)

[Dannyblue1]

Originally posted by TorchJournalist1989
He probably said this more than likely becasue Angel was basically his mentor when he became a vampire. So I guess he used Sire as in terms of Angel taking Spike under his wing somewhat (Though he was annoyed by Spike.)

Spike once said Angel was his Yoda. And, really, Dru was in no position to be anyone's mentor or teacher. Darla probably couldn't be bothered. And, while Spike might have annoyed him, Angelus had a history of taking younger vampires under his wing and trying to mold them into better killers.

[redkryp]

I do remember Spike telling Angel in the ep "Destiny" that Angelus was responsible for turning Spike into a monster.

[Summers]

yea, you can start seeing Angelus teaching Spike and making him come out of his shell.

[ZariusTwo]

Favourate Character: Spike by default (Angel left in Season Three)

Favourate Season: Season Five

Favourate Episode: The Gift

[SuperPillowGun]

Favorite character -Tie: Buffy and Faith .

Favorite romance - Spike / Buffy

Favorite Villan - Angelus

I'm not sure about the seasons... S4, 5 and 6 -I think those were the best

[vyperman7]

What does everyone think of season 6 as a whole??

The reason I ask is because I have not seen seasons 6 or 7 yet, and I just got the season 6 DVD set. I have watched the first three episodes, and so far I like it. The first two episodes with Buffy coming back from the dead were awesome.

I have heard about the episode "Once More with Feeling". I went to tvtome.com and it was ranked number 3 out of all the episodes. However, I have always hated musicals, and I am wondering how an episode that has the characters do nothing but sing and dance can be any good.

However, the guy who plays Giles actually has a decent voice. I remember when he did some singing earlier in the series.

[nexgod]

Yeah, they all have decent voices

OMWF is like my fav epi

[jmf2g]

Vyperman, I hate musicals as well, I've never liked musicals in my life, but I love OMWF. I think there are two reasons why i like OMWF, but hate all other musicals. The first reason is that I know these characters and their situations, and they are all with-holding many secrets from each other, which gives subject matter to the songs. The second reason is that the songs are soooo damn catchy, Joss is a genius. I really do not have any idea how he was able to write soooo many catchy songs for a weekly television show. I'm betting that you will love OMWF.

[Dannyblue1]

You know, I like musicals. (Love Fred Astaire, especially when teamed with Ginger Rogers. Love Guys and Dolls. I can sing along with most of the songs in Gentlemen Prefer Blonds. I even like those Beach Blanket movies.) But I didn't care much for OMWF. Points for effort, but it just wasn't my cup of tea. However, many people did like it, so I'd say that was one of the high points of season 6. The rest...

[VersesBatman]

Season 6 was weak in my opinion. Worst big bad ever.

[Dru]

I hated Season 6 with a passion. I know people who loved it like crazy but just remembering it makes me sick.

There were bright spots like OMWF with I loved like you wouldn't believe. All the songs where amazing *hugs CD to chest*

But on the whole season 6 is the worst ever because it's the one that made be hate Buffy. Not hate the show but hate the person. After season 6 I couldn't stand her. I thought she was the vilest, evilest, worst excuse for a human being ever. I couldn't even watch the old repeats without wanting to b***h slap her, shoot her, and throw her into a pit of rabid starving demons. It made my feelings for Lana look like fluffy bunny feelings.

And I miss being able to like Buffy season 1-5 I loved her. I adored her. I thought she was the greatest female superhero ever. But then season 6 made be not even want to watch the show any more. Only my love of Spike kept me watching till the end. If it weren't for him I would have switched the TV off and never looked back. (Well I still would have watched other shows but you know what I mean)

Now I just don't care any more. I don't have the firey hate I used to I just couldn't care less about her any more. I don't even watch the repeats unless I know it's a Spike ep and only watch his parts reading or something during the rest of the show.

[SuperSlayer]

Favorite Character: Buffy

Favorite Romance: Not sure

Favorite Villian: Angelus: The Original Magnificent Bastard

Favorite Season: 2 and 5

Dru, did your feelings about Willow change as well?

[Dru]

Well I hated the whole stupid 'Magic is like crack' plot but other then that my feelings didn't change that much. Well that and in season seven I wanted to hit her for bad taste in girl friends but mostly I still liked her. Except for that last ep...I mean my lord I didn't like ANYONE in that lousy excuse for a Series Finally! The mall! THE MALL! The lousy Freaking MALL! The world is ending and they talk about THE MALL!!

[vyperman7]

I finally finished watching season 6 and I really enjoyed it. Sure there were a few episodes that stunk like the episode that focused on the Double Meat palace. But, overall I liked season 6. I thought "The Trio" was hilarious. Man, seeing Willow turn into a black haired bad ass witch at the end was very cool, and I loved what happened with Spike at the end. By the way, is Andrew gay or straight? He appeared to be a straight man with gay mannerisms throughout most of the show, but then acts like he is in love with Warren at the end.

Favorite season 6 episodes :

1) Normal Again - Absolutely awesome. I love the fact that the episode ends up in the air. It makes the viewer question whether or not Buffy is actually imagining everything. That would have made an awesome series finale in my opinion.

2) Tabula Rasa - I enjoyed everything about this episode. Seeing everyone losing their memory and seemingly meet for the first time was great. Loved the scenes with Spike and Giles where Spike thinks that Giles is his father. "You named me Randy Giles?" I especially thought Michelle Branch singing "Goodbye to You" at the end was a nice touch.

3) Seeing Red - Awesome episode. Loved seeing Warren with super strength and invulnerability. My only gripe was that the actor who playd Warren can't fight to save his life. Sarah is convincing as Buffy because she is a brown belt in Tae Kwon Do and knows the moves. The guy who played Warren can't even throw a punch. It looked funny watching him fight. The scene with Andrew hitting his head on the roof after using the jetpack underneath it had me laughing my ass off. I was kind of disturbed by the rape seen though with Spike and Buffy. Very realistic.

4 - 6 ) Villans, Two to Go, and Grave - What an excellent last three episodes. Buffy and Tara getting shot, Warren dying violently at the hands of Willow, Giles returning to battle Willow, and Spike getting his soul back.

7) Once More with Feeling - I really had my doubts about this episode. But, it actually turned out to be pretty good, and I hate musicals. Thank god, they mixed some dialogue in with the singing.

8) Gone - This one was just fun to watch. The concept of Buffy being invisible is great. Loved it when Buffy messed around with the social services woman investigating Dawn's case.

I have not seen season 7 yet, but this is how I would rank the show so far :

1) Season 3 - 10/10 - Faith, The Mayor, and "The Wish"

2) Season 5 - 9.75/10 - Glory, Spike falling for Buffy, and "The Gift"

3) Season 2 - 9.5/10 - Angelus, Great season finale

4) Season 6 - 9/10 - The Trio, evil Willow, Spike and Buffy. My only complaint is that Dawn was ANNOYING in season 6!!

5) Season 1 - 8.5/10 - Great start, but there was only 12 episodes

6) Season 4 - 8/10 - Some good episodes - Hush, Something Blue, etc. However, I found the Iniative storyline to be boring, and I do not like Riley

[jmf2g]

rants]The mall! THE MALL! The lousy Freaking MALL! The world is ending and they talk about THE MALL!![/rant]

I think taht was the point of the show as a whole, they had that same attitude in almost every apocalypse. They made jokes in the face of death, and didn't do much grieving when someone died, it was just the way they acted. They kept talking about going to the mall, because they were trying to convince themselves that they were going to get through this, even though in their heads, none of them really thought it would.

[Hopefulsuicide]

Favourite character: Buffy

Favourite Romance: Angel/Buffy

Favourite villain: Angelus

Favourite episodes: (because of powerful emotion) The body (For love) Becoming (for laughs) earshot

Buffy is just so incredible. I watch them for the second time, or third time and i just cant believe how amazing things are. I try and imagine how they can come up with such amazing stories, dialougue and everything in such a short amount of time and it stuns me. Each episode is perfect in its own way, and it is never boring. Always makes you smile, sometimes makes you cry buckets, sometimes makes you squeal cause your so happy

without it i wouldnt have learned all the things i have learned just from watching it. These characters are like friends, we know them so well, and these episodes are like memories

[SwedishSuperhero]

To go back to what jmf2q said about not grieving, I´d like to bring up a thing that really annoys me. In the very first episode Xander had a best friend named Jesse who was turned into a vampire and later on got dusted by Xander (although he actually got pushed and fell over the stake) and after that he was never mentioned again. In one episode Xander even says that before Buffy it was just him and Willow! Continuity error ahead! I thought they could´ve brought Jesse back in The Wish, since it was showing what would happen if Buffy never came to Sunnydale, especially since Xander and Willow were vampires also, but no! They could bring the Master back, but no Jesse!

[Summers]

if they couldnt do the Willow scene in Conversations with Dead People, then Jess would have been brought back to talked to Xander in the form of the First actually.

season 6 seems to be received 50/50 some dont, some do. i like season 6 they took a risk in putting Will, Buff, and Spike in very dark place. The Nerds were window dressing, the big bad didnt come until Willow turned evil. i enjoyed that season because of things that happened in the prior seasons.

Since Becoming Pt.1 Giles warned Willow that dark magic is dangerous "and a door you could never open." All the sad things that happened to buffy in season 5 and being brought back really effected her decision making in six season. To me the spike/buffy destructive relationship in this season had to happen because of their emotional/mental state of the characters at the time. And it made Spuffy so much more pleasant, loving in the last scene because they were building trust on both sides. Spuffy really emphasizes two separate relationships.

i just love Xander in Grave, just look at the quote below. i was just crying because it was so endearing and Nicky did an excellent job of it. Overall i loved it espeically Normal Again, OMWF, Tabula Rasa, and etc. I did have to censor some episodes from my sisters because it was getting really dark, but when Joss did season 7 they could watch the end.

season 6 processed character development and forced the characters(and audience) to see the dark and good side of these characters.

[Dru]

Originally posted by SwedishSuperhero
To go back to what jmf2q said about not grieving, I´d like to bring up a thing that really annoys me. In the very first episode Xander had a best friend named Jesse who was turned into a vampire and later on got dusted by Xander (although he actually got pushed and fell over the stake) and after that he was never mentioned again. In one episode Xander even says that before Buffy it was just him and Willow! Continuity error ahead! I thought they could´ve brought Jesse back in The Wish, since it was showing what would happen if Buffy never came to Sunnydale, especially since Xander and Willow were vampires also, but no! They could bring the Master back, but no Jesse!


I Know!!! Thats one of the things that always drove me insane! Jesse was their best friend and after he dies they never speak of him again?!?! I mean they couldn't even have one tiny comment of Willow and Xander missing him? maybe show them crying or something? But no. We see them the next day happy and bouncing and talking about trying to get kicked out of school looking like nothing happened welcoming Buffy into the fold like Jesse never exsisted!! That was so wrong!! Even worse then Xander not caring that Anya is dead in the last ep!!

[jmf2g]

I'll agree that the thing with Jesse was stupid. Xander and Willow definitely should have been mentioning him very frequently, and they should have felt more emotion about him dying. However, Xander's reaction to Anya's death in "Chosen" was absolutely perfect, and I really wouldn't have that go any other way. They had been through so much, and fought soooo much evil, and lost many friends. Anya was just someone who went down fighting, like a hero, and they grieved for her like a hero should be grieved for. She had redeemed herself for her vengance demon days, and that was that. Xander understood that it was Anya's time to die, because he understood that in this battle they were going to lose people. I think one of the main themes of the show (just like Angel) was that the fight goes on, and there isn't really much time to mourn people's deaths, there just isn't. You lock it away, and you keep it there. I would have been upset if Xander had some big dramatic breakdown after Anya's death, it wouldn't have done the rest of the show justice.

[Dru]

Grief? They didn't grieve at ALL! They didn't even so much as frown! She was their friend, his almost wife and they barely blink when she dies! I'm not saying they should have collapsed sobbing but some show that her death hurt them would have been nice!

To tell the truth I hated everything about that last ep. All of them were out of character. They suddenly reverted more to season1 them then the people they've been the last 7 years. The whole thing about joking about getting Xander a new look before the fight was so out of character for them!

And I know Buffy had been a cold heartless b***h for the last year or two but she didn't give a damn at all that some of her friends, the some SITs and Spike had just died! ARGH! I don't even like thinking about it any more...it all just sucked so badly. The show really would have been better off ended with The Gift. That would have been a better ending then what we got.

[Summers]

well it all depend on interpretation. what one sees in one character than other one does. if buffy was so selfish and didnt give a care why did she come back and help them when she retreived the Scythe. She didnt have to considering the fact that the gang was impulsive on kicking her out of leadership. Which didnt make sense military speaking? besides spike and faith buffy was the only strong one left because Willow was still scared of her power.

was buffy selfish when she kept the secret she was in heaven. she didnt tell them because she understood why the Scoobies did what they did for her. she got a fast food job to keep food on the table(why didnt Willow or Tara work though that bugged me). she did care about Spike look at Touched and rest of season 7. Buffy protected and defended Spike majority of the season to her friends. She knew spike can have a real chance in becoming a good person by taking the chip out. spuffy trustworthyness all around. She does care, and i think many of the scoobies do.

out of character of Xander in season 7? how was it out of character? Xander represented us the only Scooby w/out power. and he was loyal and he paid the price w/ his poor eye. it was also an example how ruthless Caleb is no matter who it is.

btw, i stopped liking Anya. we saw in Selfless and never saw her character in the lead again, so really never saw that much. in Get It Done she said she wasnt Buffy or the Scoobies friend the only reason why she was there because she was scared. Sorry for me that was it, that really hurt i loved Anya since The Wish but when she said that i stopped liking her. However; the next time i like her character was her "love human" speech and wheelchair fight w/ Andrew in End of Days.

all in all for the finale i really dont think the characters were in the forefront, but rather the primary message of the show. Female empowerment that dealt w/ strength and intelligence, wit. That's what the show was about, that's what the Chosen speech was about. To me that was more important because that is what the show was founded on, and Joss finally said that in the last episode.

that's just my perspective.

[Dru]

Well what I was saying was all of them were out of character int eh last ep. But now that you mention it Xander changed over the years and in a really, really, really bad way.

He became what I think his old self would hate. He became a bully. Look at the way he treated Andrew and Spike and anyone else weaker then him. He became a drinker. He became someone I wouldn't want as a friend. He was a jerk (Not that Anya or Dawn for that matter were that far behind with the "Let's torture Andrew while Buffy's not looking!" Thing)

Then suddenly in the last ep all oft hem are perky and joking around totally unlike the people they've become over the last few years.

And about the Buffy stuff. She wasn't always selfish and annoying but most of the time yeah she was. I just got so sick of 'Depressed!Buffy' that everything she did started to get on my nerves. You know how that is?? Then Dead Things happened and I went straight to "Buffy is the worst B***h from hell!" and stayed there. Even watching old eps I saw nothing but how cruel and evil she was.

Now there are times when I actually was on Buffy's side. Like everyone throwing her out of the house. I was literally yelling at my TV "Hello?! She pays the freaking bills! Buffy you moron kick them out!!! It's Your house for gods sake!! Lets the ungrateful jerks get killed by the UberVamps!!" And I thought Willow and Tara were totally leaches living there not working while Buffy was working and stuff. So yes I can see her good sides (What little of it there was).

But still I just can't make my self like her. When I look at her I see someone who abused and used Spike for years (counting her 'I'm stressed I'll go beat Spike!' and 'I need info on a demon so I'll go beat Spike!' thing from all the way back to season 4) I see someone who's played judge, jury and killer for years. I see someone who's whined and *****ed and complained about having to be the slayer but who sees nothing wrong with forcing dozens maybe even hundreds of girls into the same role. I could go on but I think you get my point. Maybe I should shut up. I think I'm actually still more bitter then I thought I was about all this...

[Summers]

i understand your point totally. but see this is how is see buffy in the seventh season she was scared that the potentials would end up like her...alone. so when she had the idea of giving all the girls power they wouldnt be alone because there are people all around them just like them. To me for seven years buffy has been fighting her slayerness. She accepted it in The Gift, which gave her closure, and when she came back she was basically brought into hell.

your right Buffy did abused Spike. i'm totally not denying that, however; i believed she paid for it. He attempted to rape, and almost lost her friendship w/ Xander. What happened in Seeing Red was a very intense scene(which James and Sarah did very well in btw), but she did pay for it. In a way she kept paying for it because in the end her loyalty to Spike made the Scoobies kick her out. Buffy did make mistakes and whined, but she accepted who she is. Basically the reason why i love her character is what Spike said to her in Touched.

on Xander i partically agree w/ you. I love Xander i thought he grew into his own after Angel left He was silly, but he can i also be very loving and loyal. However, there is things i didnt like about it. He thought Spike and Angel were lower than him. He didnt relay the message to Buffy that Willow was doing the spell in Becoming Pt.2, and he was never was punished for that. I didnt like his arguement in Dead Man's Party because he was out of line he had no consideration for buffy's feelings for Angel. i mean she loved the guy and killed him what did he expect for her to get over it like a spring fling. In Selfless Buffy was going to kill Anya but Xander didnt want it even though Buffy was put in that position. W/ Xander he see's things like Giles black and white w/out the gray. but i feel was better represented than Willow and Giles was in the last season because they didnt act like themselves at all.

so Dru(love that name :)). i love buffy, xander, spike, and tara because i can relate to them. who are your favorites, and overall did you like the series finale?

[Grendel]

Spike murdered hundreds of people, Buffy beating him up once in awhile was nothing.

[Dru]

Well I love Spike and Drusilla. To tell the truth I'm an Evilista. I liked Spike Evil. I hated the stupid soul and hated seeing Spike being nuts and whining for most of season 7. Not to mention I HATED The First using Drusilla's form like it did. The amount of ranting I did.....I was SO pissed off.

And well overall I hated the series finale. I thought it was a lousy way to end the show. like I said I thought everyone was out of character, I hated Spike dying (even if he came back on Angel it was still horrible!), I hated the huge gaping plot holes, like why did Willow have to be on top of the hellmouth to do the spell, why did they wait till the last second, how the freaking hell were the non-slayers (And slayers for that matter) able to stand up to the UberVamps for even a heartbeat when the things were able to beat Buffy nearly to death, and other things. I only watched it once (when normally I watch eps a dozen or more times) and that was MORE then enough for me.

Grendel, Ok you see here's my point. Buffy's supposed to be a hero. She's supposed to be the good guy. So beating a helpless, defenseless creature makes her a thousand times worse then Spike ever was. In his own words he's a vampire he's supposed to be treading on the dark side. What's her excuse?

This is something Buffy has always done from the beginning. Buffy has a fight with her mom? Go out find a vamp and beat it into a bloody pulp torturing it till she feels like staking it. Buffy has trouble at school, go out and beat a vampier till she feels better.

Then when Spike got chipped he became her whipping boy. She's cranky? Beat Spike, she's mad? Beat Spike. She wants info? Beat Spike. Then of course she turns him into her sex slave using him then telling him he's an evil soulless monster she could never love, etc with the abuse.

That's unforgivable. She's supposed to be better then the monsters she kills but she became lower then any of them ever were cause she had a soul.

She was a human being who should have know better and been better then that. That's why I can never forgive her for what she did. She should have been better then that but she became a cruel, abusive, monster.

[Dannyblue1]

Then when Spike got chipped he became her whipping boy. She's cranky? Beat Spike, she's mad? Beat Spike. She wants info? Beat Spike. Then of course she turns him into her sex slave using him then telling him he's an evil soulless monster she could never love, etc with the abuse.

That's unforgivable. She's supposed to be better then the monsters she kills but she became lower then any of them ever were cause she had a soul.

I think that's the problem a lot of people had with that storyline. Whenever someone complains about how Buffy treated Spike, someone else mentions how he was evil, and he did all of these evil things. But, as my mama drilled into me since I was a child, it doesn't matter how bad another person is (or you think they are) or what they deserve. It's how you behave. How you act. You beating on someone who's helpless and can't fight back (no matter how evil you think they are or were) says something about you, not them. If Buffy felt that Spike was so far beneath her, she should have stayed away from him. Instead, she used him, abused him, slept with him, and expected him to go away when she didn't want to deal with him. No matter what evil things Spike said in the past, the way she treated Spike said something about Buffy, and it wasn't a very pleasant something.

Actually, this was in keeping with Buffy's character. Whenever Buffy was upset, scared or angry, she struck out at others, usually verbally. If Buffy was upset about something, watch out. Whether you were the cause, or just an innocent by-stander, she was going to take it out on you.

With Spike, Buffy had someone who could "take" physical abuse from her without too much damage. So, when she needed to vent, she went to him, beat up on him a little, and seemed to feel better. Not an attractive trait in a hero.

[Summers]

buffy did act like not herself in season six because she not herself. she mentally and emotionally not there in season six. being taken out of heaven to be put right back on the hellmouth would do that. she hated herself and took out on spike, and she broke it off w/ him too. she didnt like how she was behaving so she stopped the problem which in the end resulted in the events in Seeing Red.

and form the beginning Buffy was never meant to be an all perfect superhero. she was meant to be an everyday girl who makes mistakes. that has flaws. i'm glad she wasnt all perfect it made the emotionally of the show more realistic.

[Dru]

You know in the beginning I could totally feel sorry for her. But as the season dragged on it went from "Oh poor Buffy!" To "God this is so f***ing depressing! Get over it already!" Along with the the hating how she was treating Spike.

And I'm sorry but no part of me thinks Seeing Red happened for any reason other then the writers couldn't understand why everyone loved Spike who was the villein and hated Buffy who they thought we should all adore. So they tried to make us feel sorry for her and hate Spike. In some corners it worked in others (like the places I mainly hang out online) it just made us hate Buffy all the more and hate the writers for trying to manipulate us.

And I know Buffy was never perfect. She was a normal flighty, air head girl who got thrown into a life she never wanted. And for 5 years I loved that girl. I practically worshiped her! Then she turned into depress-o girl and started abusing Spike even more then she did before and well then when Dead Things came around she was forever changed in my eyes. And the next week when Buffy didn't seem even the least bit sorry for nearly beating Spike to death I hated her all the more.

Buffy was a wonderful character. She had flaws and she made mistakes but you didn't hate for for them. When she did stupid things you felt for her and could understand where she was coming from. Season 6 wasn't like that. I think part of the problem is for the 5 years before that they made the show using vampires and demons but showing things everyone goes though. Feeling ignored and invisible, bad relationships, falling in love with psychos you meet on the net, abusive boyfriends, etc.. but in season 6 it was all "Earth is Hell. I can't feel. They riped me out of heaaaaaven!" Can ANYONE relate to that?!?! Not to mention who wants to watch a show where you can't stand the main character 99.999% of the time?! I mean really if it wasn't for my obsessive love of Spike I so would have stopped watching!!

[nexgod]

Relate to getting ripped out of heaven?>

People with near death experiances perhaps?

[Hopefulsuicide]

I just re watched that episode and have to unravel the marvel at so many things. So many techniques to make it the most intense most amazing episode in the way of creation and execution. I feel real grief every time i see that episode. And it is so real.

Buffy's reaction: She finds her mom and panics... she tries to do CPR and breaks a rib! Thats just so harsh... and so completely waht would happen... a panicy slayer pushes too hard. She then goes into this schocked state and pukes and is oddly polite. It felt really sterile and very emotional. She at first suspects glory, which is a very natural reaction for buffy. She always wants something to pummel for justcie. And one more thing was the opening of the door and just staring at the light was very emotional.

Dawn: I loved that bit where she's crying about something some guy said. It's like 'oh my god, if she knew she wouldnt be giving it a second thought'. And then Buffy coming in when she is having a really good flirt like all teeangers should and setroying her indulgence like always happens in the buffy verse. Everyone watching through the sound proof room was very effective too.
When she goes into the room that her dead mother is in a locks the door i really feel for her. She wants to be alone with her mother, she wants to stroke her hair and see her face. But shes too scared. And then the episode ends just before she touches her cheek. Very creepy.

Willow's reaction: Worrying about the little things. The clothes, wanting the top joyce liked. It shows how trivial things seem so large when someone has died. No one knows what to do with themselves. She just doesnt want to make anything worse. And then they get all that food because she doesnt want to get the wrong thing... still worrying about the little things.

Tara: Mostly concern for willow, doing anything she can to help. And then her revalation to buffy that she did the same thing makes us realise why she is the only calm one. Shes done this before and understands it a bit better.

Anya: Her little explosion at willows i found very sweet and very real and it was the first time i felt anything for anya. She doesnt understand why joyce cant get up. Thats definately how id feel if someone died. I wouldnt get it.

Xander: Typical male, punches wall... and yet you can see how much he needed too. He's trying to be there for everyone but he has too much too deal with himself.

Giles: he has the leave everything to me attitude. He wants to make sure buffy doesnt have to deal with all the paperwork because he knows how fragile she is, and how much it would hurt. He also wants to make sure that buffy and dawn are okay. He has always been like a dad to buffy and so he steps in as her carer for a little while while she needs it.

Spike: The simplest gesture, but so eye opening for the others. He just wanted to leave flowers because joyce was alright to him.

Finally i think the most powerful thing in the episode is the silence. Not a single peice of background music, nothing. Everythign is silent. It makes the whole episode feel really odd because you so used to background noise in buffy that it seems a bit off... which of corse it is.

Anyone else have any comments about the eppie

[Dannyblue1]

"The Body", along with "Hush" are two of my favorite episodes of any TV series ever. And, you know, I usually don't like it when a TV series tries to get too artsy or cute. Something about it feels so fake and forced. But these two episodes worked perfectly.

First, you have "Hush", an episode where, for 90% of the hour, no-one talks. That ep is filled with music, because no-one is speaking. And you really feel the fear and panic of the entire town. What the hell is happening to them. Is this a disease? Are they all about to die? People lock themselves in their rooms. Tempers grow short. Fights break out. It all seemed very realistic.

Then, you have "The Body", where there is no music at all. And it makes it feel more intimate. It isn't the entire town, just this group of people. And they aren't going through something almost unbelievable, like everyone losing their voices. They are going through something people all over the world go through every day.

Episodes like this prove what a truly great show BtVS was. They didn't mind taking risks.

[The_Gimp]

it has been awhile since i've seen it but it was a very well done episode.

you felt for everyone there you could see yourself feeling that way or have known someone act that way while grieving.

the silence was also huge...it did sorta give the episode a odd feeling.

[nexgod]

Talking about music, i did enjoy OMWF, but along with its light side, it had a very dark theme and ending which i personally found shocking, and i love Buffy (the show) for doing that

I particually liked Anya's reaction as well as Spike's, and it reminds me of when Spike was talking to Joyce pretending to be good, but in fact was bad in front of an Angel who Joyce believed as bad but was indeed good, and him making vamp gestures

i think i just confused myself in that paragraph

[jmf2g]

I dont think I really appreciated it the first time i saw it. I mean, I loved it, but i didn't realize how great it really was until I saw Joss' commentary on the dvd. It's so far beyond great.

[Summers]

to me The Body is one of the best episodes on tv that was underrated by the Emmys. joss really made it really hard for the audience(us) not to have music in there. i never really realized until i saw it that any kind of background music is a comfort, and joss purposely made it uncomfortable for us.

i was in shock when buffy found her mother and started to cry throughout the entire scene. joss really placed this episode like in a theatre play so it wouldnt give the an audience any bit of mess. its interesting that every character represents a particular emotion which is really obivious in the dorm room scene. anya's speech i think anybody can relate to when someone loses a loved one because we really never understand why it happened. why they can be here and the next day they arent?

it is a very strong, powerful episode. and i really needed to laugh when Xander hit his hand through the wall "Xander where did your hand go?" "did i miss something" "Xander decides he blames the wall" i was crying and laughing at the part.

[Summers]

being ripped out heaven into hell isnt what the story was, but in that season Buffy was completely lost. She had closure in The Gift she was destined to die in that tower since Graduation Day "counting down to 7-3-0". and willow and her friends took that closure away, and she fell lost in the world. she says what she felt in that season to Giles in Grave. joss purposely dragged buffy's depression all season. but she was going up and down all the season because of confession to tara, help by riley and joyce, but real test came was at the end w/ Dark Willow. and she did pull out of it and went back into her depression in season seven especially when caleb arrived. but can you blame her? giles(showing little support for her) put a ton of pressure on her, she's defending spike basically to everyone, taking care all of these girls. i mean her responsibilities increased dramatically. they all started to see her as the slayer not as buffy summers, and for seven years she basically was trying to co-exist w/ those two identities. true she didnt let people in not until spike. Spike knows her unlike nobody else which is why he was the only one able enough to snap her out of her emotional numbness in Touched.

and you really cant put all the blame on buffy either because spike wasnt a saint either. he chained buffy up in Crush and threatened to kill her if she didnt say there is some hope between them. the first thing spike does when he knows the chip isnt working he trying to bite someone. spike was bring buffy to the dark side in season 6 "you belong in the dark w/ me" he said that in Life Serial and in Dead Things which wasnt helping buffy's already tramatized mental state. unlike angel spike is ruled by his emotions which he shows often.

in Seeing Red i do agree w/ you Dru. i did see(and read an interview by Joss and Marti) that they were trying to prove spike is evil because he doesnt have a soul. after awhile i thought about and spike would do that because his emotions rule him, but he was guilty about. so to me its half and half.

dru, i hope it doesnt look like i'm trying to change your opinion or being rude or anything that's not my purpose of my posts. i'm just giving another perspective on how i saw things on the show. i just find really intriguing out a show a be so debatable, i guess that why the academics is getting into it, huh?

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
to me The Body is one of the best episodes on tv that was underrated by the Emmys.

So much truth in those words. The Emmys snubbed Buffy on so many levels it's just not even funny.

But anyway, The Body. It is such a powerful episode. I remember the first time watching it. It was very difficult to watch the characters we know and love go through the trails of losing a very much loved one. And having Joyce die of a natural cause was pure genius. It makes it so much harder to accept knowing there was nothing anyone could have done to save her. The way Joss filmed the episode was brilliant. The close-ups on Buffy and the lack of scene cuts making everything run together, making it feel so real. The scene where Buffy is talking with the EMT and how she is pulled to the far side and having the EMT block most of the frame makes you feel suffocated by his presence. And no background music just gives you the sense of reality there. With Buffy telling Giles not to move the body. And seeing her break down realizing she called her mom a body just killed me. I really felt her pain. I believe it was one of the best performances Sarah Michelle Gellar has given on Buffy. Could you imagine doing that take after take after take? I would be so drained from the emotion but Sarah's performance was phenomenal. Thank you reminding me of what a great episode The Body still is to this day.

[Ravenheart]

The Body is one of my favorite episodes of Buffy but its also one of the hardest episodes of any show that I've ever had to watch.

[SuperSlayer]

BTVS really was a magnificent show. They weren't afraid to take risks and do innovative episodes like Hush, Restless, The Body, and Once More With Feeling.

[SuperSlayer]

^ I totally agree.

[vyperman7]

Does anyone else besides me consider season two to be overrated??

Don't get me wrong. It was a very good season and I liked it.

Season 2 had the introduction of Spike, Darla, and Angelus, and took Angel and Buffy's relationship to a whole new level. It also featured great episodes like "School Hard" where Spike is introduced, probably the funniest episode of the whole show "Bewitched, Bothered And Bewildered", "Halloween", the best two Buffy/Angel episodes of the whole show in "Surpise" and "Innocence", "Passion", "Phases", "I Only Have Eyes for You", "What;s My Line" parts 1&2, and "Becoming" parts 1&2.

But, so many fans of the show consider it to be the best season, when seasons three, five, and six were much better overall in my opinion. I mean, let's be honest here. There were some really bad episodes in this season like - "Some Assembly Required", "Ted", "Reptile Boy", "Inca Mummy Girl", "Bad Eggs", and "Go Fish". In order for a season to be a five star season, there needs to be a majority of good episodes. Having six bad episodes is a lot for a season that is supposedly the best.

I say that it deserves an 8.5/10.

My ranking for the show through season 6

1) Season 3
2) Season 5
3) Season 6
4) Season 2
5) Season 4
6) Season 1

[jmf2g]

I don't think Season two is overrated, I think it has the best arc of any season, but it also had some filler episodes that were just not up to par. For me, season 3 was basically perfect. It had everything that made this show great, and there were no episodes that just really sucked in 3. Season 5 was also perfect to me, but just not as perfect as 3.

My seasons go like this:

1) Season 3
2) Season 5
3) Season 2
4) Season 4
5) Season 6
6) Season 7
7) Season 1

[Summers]

i dont think season 2 was overrated, but i loved all the seasons. however i believe some seasons many people underrated them like season 4 and 6. i love season 2 because it opened more of mytholoogy behind the buffyverse and set the ground work for season 3. whereas season 3 actually set the groundwork for seasons 5 and 6. season 3 i adore because there were really terrific episodes like Earshot, which really dealt w/ the subject of school isolation w/ greating writing and funny twists of humor....its was the cafeteria lady. if i had to rank it would be:

1. S5=really outstanding because the continuity and the theme of family and mortality
2. S3=my personal fav
3. S7=Spuffy moments and back to the beginning, and the primary message of female empowerment in the series finale
4. S6=i loved the darkness and the combo of Faith and Buffy
5. S2=Angelus, Spike, Dru, and two slayers
6. S4=the calm before the storm of season 5 w/ comedy like Pangs and Something Blue "i'm marry spike". and really great episodes like Hush, Restless, Primeval, This Year's Girl/Who Are You?, and Harsh Day of Light
7. S1=the beginning of everything. they did pretty well considering they didnt have a set writing staff, and low CGI, and only 12 episodes.

it was the little show that could that was a midseason replacement that nearly everybody thought would fall. but the fans and cast/crew proved them wrong.

[mrchisieclass]

fav.character(s):giles,spike,faith and andrew

fav.epidsode(s):passion,wild at heart,fool for love,dirty girls

fav.season:2 or 7-cant decide

worst season:1-cheesy

fav villian:the first

fav.song on once more with feeling:rest in peace-one word= amazing

fav.quote:the entire passsion speech, bloody hell(giles in a new man) and xander redrum outcry in the puppt show

fav.mom:the first transsforming into all the big bads of buffy before turning into buffy, angeleus killing miss.calender, spike killing his second slayer

buffy or angel:buffy because angel has to much continuity

saddest death:VERUCA-i would of like to see much more of her

ever since last december i have gone through the seasons epidsode by epidsode on dvd.(well not s6 but i saw that when it aired anyway). what a experience. i rarely go two days without watchin at least one ep. smallville is buffys true succeddar(spelling) and should take lessons from it.

i like season 2 because angelues was so cruel and i like the becoming p1 epidsode to see angels story was cool. liked the voiceover in that ep. season 7 was amazing because the bad guy really did win alot. watchers council destroyes,numerous deaths and the finale was amazing.

wat does everyone think of the idea of buffy the animated series?

[Summers]

gee..i awesome sig reading. i can just picture the Lessons scene in my mind...four months to go on season 7 dvd

[mrchisieclass]

four months? region 1 have yet to have a release? jesus i dont believe it a region 2 release before a region 1.omg! i got mine season 7 boxset about two months a go.

[Summers]

i didnt know where you live, but for some reason in the US we get the buffyverse dvds much later than you guys. its a bummer sometimes.

[Spiked]

I finally got season two and season six on DVD for my birthday! To be honest I've never seen season two nor much of season six in continuity. I'm so excited about watching them! :)

[smallvilletarantino]

i l;ive in the uk and i have all 7 season on dvd. i think we are bigger fans over here( not being funny or anything). fav season: 7

why was mrchisieclass banned? and what was his sig?

[Summers]

it was too long. Spiked happy birthday. enjoy the seasons

[Spiked]

Thank you very much Summers! I finished watching "What's My Line?" Pt. 1 & 2, "Ted", and "Bad Eggs". Kendra didn't give me a great first impression with attacking Angel and all but she grew on me. She sounded like a robot at first, but it grew on me. Drusilla has become quite strong. I loved the episodes "What's My Line" Pt. 1 & 2. Plan to watch more later tonight.

[Fenice]

loved the episodes "What's My Line" Pt. 1 & 2.
Great episodes.

Xander: Oh here we are. That's him. I am the Bug-man coo coo cachoo. :D

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Fenice
Great episodes.

Xander: Oh here we are. That's him. I am the Bug-man coo coo cachoo. :D

:lol: That was great!

[Summers]

yea, Kendra was a robot but i found it intriguing when Buffy started to bring her emotions in the front. I cant wait until you see Surprise/Innocene(sp) and the Becoming episodes. i'm sure you will enjoy the rest of season 2. i loved it when Cordy and Xander kissed for the first time, and the music is going :). some other quotes:

Kendra:you ruined my shirt. that's my only shirt!!

Buffy:two slayers no waiting..what can i say i'm a freak

Kendras:your not the only freak anymore

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
yea, Kendra was a robot but i found it intriguing when Buffy started to bring her emotions in the front.

Same here. I enjoyed watching Buffy and Kendra together. Buffy really did bring out the emotions of Kendra. Example: When Kendra tells Buffy that emotions distract a slayer. Buffy then taunts Kendra and makes her angry. Good stuff.

[Dru]

Originally posted by Summers

Kendra:you ruined my shirt. that's my only shirt!!

Psst! I think was was actually "That was Me favorite shirt! That was Me only shirt!"

Not positive though.... *runs off to check Transript site* Ok this is what the transript says: Kendra: Dat's me favrit shirt! Dat's me *only* shirt!

[Summers]

we'll i know it wasnt exactly right, but i was too lazy to go look up. thanks :) for looking it up.

[SuperSlayer]

S4=the calm before the storm of season 5 w/ comedy like Pangs and Something Blue "i'm marry spike". and really great episodes like Hush, Restless, Primeval, This Year's Girl/Who Are You?, and Harsh Day of Light

I really liked season 4 too. For me it was like a throw back to seasom 1, but better since it was more refined and longer. Season 1 was really great too, especially considering all the circumstances you pointed out. :)

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by SuperSlayer
I really liked season 4 too. For me it was like a throw back to seasom 1, but better since it was more refined and longer. Season 1 was really great too, especially considering all the circumstances you pointed out. :)

Season 4 did feature some very good episodes. A few of them like Hush and Something Blue are among the best of the entire show. Yet, even though it was a decent season, it is also the weakest season of the entire show in my opinion. I say that it is even weaker than season one, because season one only had 12 episodes, and season four has 22 episodes in which to improve itself. Riley and Adam are the two most boring characters to ever come out of the show, and the storyline with the Iniative took away from the focus on what makes the show so great - the interaction between the "Scoobies". Season four did have season one beat in terms of episode quality. However, the overall story for season four was awful. There was even too much focus on Parker as well. At least season one had The Master and stayed true to the Scooby gang and the point of the show. Afterall, the "big bad" is one of the main factors in determining how good a season is going to be. Season three had Faith, The Mayor, and Mr. Trick, season five had Glory, season six had Darth Willow and The Trio, and season two had Angelus, Spike, and Drusilla. Adam was horrible.

My ranking of the show :

1) S3
2) S5
3) S6
4) S2
4) S1
5) S4

I have not seen season seven yet, but I have heard that it was a pretty good season.

[Summers]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by vyperman7
[B]Season 4 took away from the focus on what makes the show so great - the interaction between the "Scoobies".


but that was what season four was all about the Scoobies gradually separating and literally thanks to Spike and their insecurities. which was planned because season five was about bringing the family back together again. i love all the seasons, just some more than others because of the storylines are very relateable. i felt what buffy felt in The Freshman basically being this little fish in a mass of a lot them. to me season four really just pushed the foreshadowing even further of the buffyverse which probably why i enjoyed it.

in Fear, Itself you see foreshadowing of Oz leaving(season four), Willow cant controlling her magic(season 6), and the Scoobies betraying Buffy(season seven). in This Year's Girl in Faith's dream you see other reference to Dawn and the time "you gotta go little sis coming" w/ that quote when it aired i thought and many others that meant Faith waking up(because buffy and faith have a sisterly relationship), but no it was Dawn she was referring to. in Something Blue the foreshadowing of spike and buffy hooking up :). Restless that entire episode is a foreshadowing "you think you know what you are, but you havent even begun" "come back before Dawn", once again reference to the clock which was first scene in Graduation Pt.2 "little miss muffet counting down from 7-3-0" dawn being miss muffet and 730 days from buffy's death in The Gift. in Restless the date is changed to 365, one more year.

that is probably the reason why i like it the foreshadowing is everywhere, and some really funny episodes.

[Spiked]

Wow, what a great post Summers. You pointed about a lot of foreshadowing that I didn't even realize. And I agree season four is great. It's really a "coming-of-age" type season. The Scoobies grow up physically, mentally, and emotionally. In short, a great season of character development.

[vyperman7]

I am not disputing that season four had some great episodes. It was a decent season. However, the overall storyline was not that great. While there may have been forshadowing and character development, the interaction between the group was disturbed by the Iniative, Riley is the most boring character to ever come out of the show, and Adam was the worst villan because he featured no charisma whatsoever.

So as you can see, I do agree that season four did have some positive attributes to it. It just did not have a good romance or villan to it, and the interaction between the group suffered. If you notice in seasons 1,2,3,5, and 6 the interaction between Buffy and the rest of the group was a major driving force for the season. When you take that away and have Buffy spend time with a boring guy like Riley and the Iniative, the show just does not have the same feel to it.

Every other season had the group working together to accomplish a goal. In season one, it was to defeat the Master. In season two, it was to battle Spike and Drusilla, and then deal with Angelus. In season three it was their senior year of high school, Faith, and The Mayor. Season five was Glory. Season six was The Trio, and then trying to get Willow to cut back on the magic, only to find her becoming one of the most powerful villans ever. While the characters in season four may have grown in their own way , hence the forshadowing, the strongest aspect of the show was always the work they accomplished together.

I have not season seven yet, so that is why I only went up to season six.

[Doright]

I thought Season 6 was a big downer emotionally.. Man it was just depressing.. but I think it paid off in the end. I mean I've never Cried over a Yellow Crayon like that before so I guess they did something right. :\ But Overall I'd say it's my Least favorite because it was so depressing. Only the Antics of the Nerds of doom kept things fun.

[Spiked]

James Marsters revealed that four television movies are being prepared for the Buffyverse! Here's the article from GEOS (http://www.geos.tv/index.php/article/geos/1032):


Appearing on the Australian television show Rove Live, Buffy and Angel star James Marsters revealed he had been approached by Joss Whedon to star in at least one of four television movies set in the Buffyverse.

Marsters did not provide any detail on the movies other than that each would focus on one particular character, and that either all four would be made or none at all. As far as Marsters was aware, only he has comitted to the project so far.

We'd speculate that other prime candidates for movies of their own would be Willow and Giles, and perhaps Wesley, and that if all four movies were part of an all-or-nothing deal, perhaps this implies all four would tell smaller parts of a larger, overarching story?

Stay tuned to GEOS for further news on potential Buffy/Angel spin-offs!

Man that sounds great!

Update: I found another article with quotes from James. Article from Moviehole.net (http://www.moviehole.net/news/3903.html)


James Marsters [Spike] from TV's "Angel" appeared on Channel 10's "Rove Live" here last night, and mentioned that four "Angel" telemovies might be in the works.

Marsters - who's currently trying to get a "MacBeth" flick off the ground, with himself in the lead - says creator Joss Whedon wants him back for a "Spike" flick.

"I said, 'Joss, stop it. Three lines, fifty lines, lead role, whatever you want man, call me", he says. "I’m there for you, because frankly, you’re one of the best writers I’ve worked with. And he said he wanted to do a Spike movie. TV movie. But it’s also contingent upon other characters. He wants to do four TV movies and one of them is Spike."

Marsters says he's not aware if any of the other cast members have signed on yet.

Fingers crossed something's in the works.

This is sounding promising! :)

[Summers]

yea, i read that too on a buffy/angel site. its an interesting idea about what is to happen. there is also the cartoon that we have no idea who is or who isnt picking that up. and also the Angel soundtrack w/out a date yet to come out.

Vyperman, oh i wasnt disputing you argument. that's was just my IMO about the season. when it aired i thought it was refreshing to see something different because season three was at times dark. and Riley was the complete opposite of Angel. i just saw the season at times differently, but that what is so cool about the buffyverse you can get so many perspectives about a season or episodes that can be valid.

Doright, i couldnt agree you more on the Yellow crayon speech. Joss wrote that part and Nick Brendon did such a terrific job(in fact its one of my avitars on another board). "i love crayon breaking willow, and i love dark scary, veiny willow" :(. that was a powerful scene. IMO season six was darker than Angel couldnve have ever been.

FYI Region One Angel season 4 dvd is out Sept. 7th. Buffy season seven October and Sarah Michelle Gellar's movie The Grudge based on Ju-On comes out Oct. 22nd(which looks scary just like the Japanese movie.

[Dannyblue1]

I liked Riley. I liked that he was this normal, really nice guy. I think I appreciated him even more because of what Parker did to Buffy. (Sleeping with her then dumping her, so it was obvious that's all he ever wanted.) After that, I wanted Buffy to find someone who would treat her right, and Riley fit the bill. Plus, I can fall for "nice guys" as easily as mysterious strangers or bad boys. And Riley was a nice guy with a commando edge.

I do think his storyline was better at some times than other, but that's the way it goes.

[Spiked]

Dannyblue1: I love the quote in your signature! Good stuff! :)

[Summers]

me too :). its right before he bites her. that was a great 100th episode and made me really miss Cordy in the last season.

btw i love your new sig Spiked

[Fenice]

btw i love your new sig Spiked As do I. It looks great. :)

I liked season 4 Riley, Season 5 Riley I liked him up until he started listening to Spike about his relationship with Buffy. I realize that Spike couldnt have done such a good job of messing with his head had some of those thoughts not already been there, but damn people, why are we listening to Spike ? It was all downhill from there what with the way he handled his problems with the relationship. If he had problems with the relationship, he should have spoken with Buffy about it or given that Buffy was going through something why not talk to his new guy buddy Xander about it. I know it must be a rough situation, but I fail to see where going to get your blood sucked by a girl vamp helps anything.

[Spiked]

Thanks Summers and Fenice! Finished watching all of season six on DVD last night. Great season, IMO. :)

[Summers]

wow, you watch all of the 22 episodes in one night!!lot of people didnt appreciate that season six, but i love it because i felt the characters needed to go there especially what happened in the previous season.

i agree w/ Fenice Riley was cool, but season 5 he had a dark turn. but a silver lining it did give him layers(not onion layers). i really enjoyed his return in season 6 As You Were(he had the hottiest scar in that episode) where he gave buffy some self-confidence to do the right thing. and Marc Blucas is just plain hot w/ his blue eyes and hair, and muscles. I thought his thoughts about his relationship w/ buffy really stemed from Xander in Yoko Factor where he told about Angel. you could really see his reaction to that. but Riley didnt help any in season 5 Joyce was deathly ill, then again Buffy didnt let him in emotionally.

she really let Xander and Spike in more than anybody. IMO

[Spiked]

I finished the last disc of season six last night. I did watch all of it consecutively. It took me a couple of days to watch it all. I really did enjoy season six. I think it was a very good idea for the writers to go into that dark phase. Can't wait for season seven on DVD.

[Summers]

i know i really want season seven. they had some really good episodes like Lessons, Conversations with Dead People, Bring On the Night, Get It Done, Lies My Parents Told Me, etc. just less than three more months.

i hope the cover art looks good because Angel Season 4 cover art looks a little lame. its the same ol' same w/ him and cordy just w/ greenage.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
i hope the cover art looks good because Angel Season 4 cover art looks a little lame. its the same ol' same w/ him and cordy just w/ greenage.

I thought I was the only one who noticed this! :lol: I haven't bought an Angel DVD set yet. Do they have pictures of the other cast inside the set, as Buffy does? It would be nice to have other cast members on the covers instead of just Angel and Cordy. If Fred doesn't make the season five cover something's wrong because Amy Acker did an amazing job playing both Fred and Illryia.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Spiked
I thought I was the only one who noticed this! :lol: I haven't bought an Angel DVD set yet. Do they have pictures of the other cast inside the set, as Buffy does? It would be nice to have other cast members on the covers instead of just Angel and Cordy. If Fred doesn't make the season five cover something's wrong because Amy Acker did an amazing job playing both Fred and Illryia.

i have the Angel DVD series in Region 1(i dont know if its any different in other regions because buffy is). Angel doesnt have the cast on the discs, i wish it did btvs always looked great. Season One had the logo separated throughout the six discs, season two it was the L.A. scenery, and three was just quotes from some episodes. their were pictures of the cast on the folding parts(i hope that makes sense) where you just keep unraveling until you get your disc. The cover of the sets are all the same though...it has Angel in the forefront, Cordy in the back, and his same vamp face in the back just w/ different colors. In the UK they said in that Cordy isnt even the special features, but i'm not certain on that.

it would be cool if its Illryia, but i'm thinking for the last season it might be Spike because he is on all the face disc on btvs except for season one. it would be cute if they have one of disc of the Angel puppet:lol:

in last season dvd of btvs they'll probably have buffy, spike, and caleb which isnt bad. but i would like to see that shot where its all the scoobies looking over not-so there Sunnydale at least in the cover art somewhere.

[Doright]

Not so there? It was a freaking hole. :p

[Summers]

lol. basically yeah

[Spiked]

That's the promo shot for the season seven DVD's. Buffy and the gang looking out over not-so-there Sunnydale. Yeah I love that picture.

[nexgod]

How come DVDs come out in England before America?

[Spiked]

Originally posted by nexgod
How come DVDs come out in England before America?

LOL I was just about to come in to edit my post and ask the same question. I don't know why. Maybe Summers does. :)

[Summers]

Originally posted by Spiked
That's the promo shot for the season seven DVD's. Buffy and the gang looking out over not-so-there Sunnydale. Yeah I love that picture.

noboby knows for sure. a lot of people are hoping its at least in the cover art of the dvd somewhere.

from an article i read in Watcher's Guide Vol. 3 England gets them first because they actually are the reasons why America gets the dvds in the first place. They were originally getting the dvds in England, and many fans in America wanted the dvds too. So England offices talked to FOX and Joss Whedon about bring the buffy/angel dvd series to America. In the end it worked out, and just takes longer because of the copyrights of the songs sometimes used. OT Dawson's Creek season 3 isnt having there theme song on the dvd, i dont know if its true or not because it isnt out yet.

in fact, the same England offices are the ones you release the buffy/angel magazines in America, so they run the UK and American editions. basically the reason why we(Americans) get the dvds is because of England...so thank you England :).

here's the pic of the screencap of what describe, and that will hopefully be in the cover art:

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast848.jpg

opps..my bad i put the wrong letter in it. k here we go again:

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast848.jpg

there's the link. i love that pic :)

[Spiked]

Thanks for explanation Summers! Great picture! :)

EDIT: I came back to look at the picture and...and...I miss Buffy! :( *hugs Buffy DVD's* I think I need to watch a few episodes...

[Summers]

lol/aww..you came back to see the picture. i know when i found it i was all sad too. i still at least watch two buffy/angel episodes a week. its going to feel weird when we get the last one because then...no more to collect :( and two more of Angel :(.

k, now i'm sad "Where Do We Go From Here?"






the kryptonsite :)

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Spiked
I finished the last disc of season six last night. I did watch all of it consecutively. It took me a couple of days to watch it all. I really did enjoy season six. I think it was a very good idea for the writers to go into that dark phase. Can't wait for season seven on DVD.

I LOVED season six.

My top three seasons

1. Season 3
2. Season 5
3. Season 6

I would have to say that season six is probably the most underrated season of the entire show. Season six had a slew of great episodes, Darth Willow is one of the best villans ever, and even though a lot of people hated The Trio, I thought they were hilarious. All of the pranks they pulled on Buffy in the episode "Life Serial" were awesome. I especially liked the repeating day prank.

I have not seen season seven yet. I have caught every season of Buffy on DVD. I never watched the show while it was on television.

[Summers]

Originally posted by vyperman7
, and even though a lot of people hated The Trio, I thought they were hilarious. All of the pranks they pulled on Buffy in the episode "Life Serial" were awesome. I especially liked the repeating day prank.

I have not seen season seven yet. I have caught every season of Buffy on DVD. I never watched the show while it was on television.

wow, really? some of the newbies i talk to on other boards seen the reruns then buy the dvds. I love the Mummy hand, it was so cute :), and Trio debating on who was the best Bond :) "Timothy Dalton should win an Oscar and beat Sean Connery over the head w/ it!!". i have to say though i never really hated a character on the whedonverse if they were a villian or an ally until Warren. He was the first character i truly hated besides Kennedy in season seven(Since vyperman7 hasnt seen it i wont spoil you unless you already knows what happened in season seven).

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
wow, really? some of the newbies i talk to on other boards seen the reruns then buy the dvds. I love the Mummy hand, it was so cute :), and Trio debating on who was the best Bond :) "Timothy Dalton should win an Oscar and beat Sean Connery over the head w/ it!!". i have to say though i never really hated a character on the whedonverse if they were a villain or an ally until Warren. He was the first character i truly hated besides Kennedy in season seven(Since vyperman7 hasnt seen it i wont spoil you unless you already knows what happened in season seven).

The Trio was so funny! I loved their dialogue with each other. When I was watching season six on DVD I kind of felt embarrassed because I understood everything they were talking about. :lol:

And wow, me and Summers have a lot in common. The only two people I have hated in the whedonverse is also Warren and Kennedy. Warren was weak, immature, and stupid. I didn't hate him at first but as the season progressed with incidents such as him hypnotizing his ex-girlfriend (and she was completely correct. What they were doing was rape) and then killing her. When he received power from those orbs? I just wanted to jump into the TV and help Buffy kick his butt! Then using the gun and hitting Buffy and Tara was so low. It just showed how weak he was. Not being able to take responsibility for his actions, which is why he ran from Dark Willow (and had every right too, I'd hate to get in Dark Willow's path!). Season six is just great.

I don't want to spoil vyperman7 so I'll keep my mouth shut about Kennedy. But I think you know what I'm saying. :)

[Summers]

Originally posted by Spiked
The Trio was so funny! I loved their dialogue with each other. When I was watching season six on DVD I kind of felt embarrassed because I understood everything they were talking about. :lol:

And wow, me and Summers have a lot in common. The only two people I have hated in the whedonverse is also Warren and Kennedy. Warren was weak, immature, and stupid. I didn't hate him at first but as the season progressed with incidents such as him hypnotizing his ex-girlfriend (and she was completely correct. What they were doing was rape) and then killing her. When he received power from those orbs? I just wanted to jump into the TV and help Buffy kick his butt! Then using the gun and hitting Buffy and Tara was so low. It just showed how weak he was. Not being able to take responsibility for his actions, which is why he ran from Dark Willow (and had every right too, I'd hate to get in Dark Willow's path!). Season six is just great.

I don't want to spoil vyperman7 so I'll keep my mouth shut about Kennedy. But I think you know what I'm saying. :)

all the aspects you said about Warren is true. Dark Willow really put it best that he wants power over women which one of reasons he went after Buffy. I mean he is very male-centric(another word for it but i cant remember how to spell it) that he superior to women. Caleb(season 7) was like that, but i never hated him i found him more intriguing because he did it at a different matter. and Kennedy is a whole other story all together which to me was actually the only blunder(IMO) that the buffyverse had.

what i mean the three characters that really pinned down what Warren is what his ex-girlfriend Katrina(which you stated nicely Spiked), Buffy in Seeing Red, and Dark Willow.

[Fenice]

Ugg .....Kennedy.

While Kennedy was a big mistake, I would also have to say that the way people just forgot about Jesse was a mistake. Seriously, they never mentioned him again. There is even a line in which Xander mentions that before Buffy it was just him and Willow. Ummmm...what about Jesse ? You know your good friend got vamped and then you dusted him ?

********* Be-lated Season 7 spoiler *******


I heard that had the Willow-Cassie story not been in Conversations with Dead People, there would have been a Xander-Jesse story. I like all the stories that were used but maybe they should have tried to squeeze in the Xander-Jesse storyline. It would have been a great way to resolve the Jesse story and a nice insight into Xander.


******End of be-lated Spoiler. ******

[Dru]

I know!!! That always drove me batty! (Along with other hanging threads like what happened to bug teachers eggs ect..)

Would it have killed them for one tiny comment in season one in one of those hanging out scenes of Willow or Xander commenting "Remember when Jessy and us..(incert something here)" ?!?!

I mean he was supposed to have been their best friend from diapers! And I REALLY hate that stupid line you mentioned of Xander saying before Buffy it was just him and Willow! *beats writers* JESSY JESSY JESSY!!!

*huffs* Why is it the fans are the only ones who remember anything?!?!

[Fenice]

(Along with other hanging threads like what happened to bug teachers eggs ect..) Right. I forgot about that.

It wouldnt have take much for them to have just made a couple of references to him in season 1. Or at the very least not make comments that completely ingnore Jesse's exsistance.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Fenice


********* Be-lated Season 7 spoiler *******


I heard that had the Willow-Cassie story not been in Conversations with Dead People, there would have been a Xander-Jesse story. I like all the stories that were used but maybe they should have tried to squeeze in the Xander-Jesse storyline. It would have been a great way to resolve the Jesse story and a nice insight into Xander.


******End of be-lated Spoiler. ******
SPOILERS SEASON SEVEN:







i agree when i read an interview of that by the writers it sounded such like a cool storyline to go into. and a real shot out to the fans. but there was a lot of story in that one episode w/ Buffy & Holden, Andrew and Jonathan, Willow and Cassie, Dawn and Joyce, and Spike. i'm not going to say anymore because i really dont want to give a lot away to vyperman

[Spiked]

I just finished watching Once More, With Feeling with the audio commentary by Joss Whedon. It's just a classic episode. While watching/listening I kept thinking what a talented cast and crew they had on Buffy. It's a show that will go down in TV history.

Tabula Rasa (episode after Once More, With Feeling) is hysterical! When the Scoobies lose their memory, with Spike believing that he's Giles' son:

GILES: Older brother?
SPIKE: Father. Oh, god, how I must hate you.

With Buffy naming herself Joan and discovering her superpowers:

Buffy stakes vampire.

DAWN: Whoa!
WILLOW: What did you just do?
BUFFY: Uh ... I.... I don't know. But it was cool! I think I know why Joan's the boss. I'm like a superhero or something!

:rotfl:

It's just so funny!

[Fenice]

I like when Spike basically described Angel and the premise of AtS and Buffy responded " A vampire with a soul ?! How lame is that ! ".

Xander not knowing what religion he followed so he just onmi-prayed.

Spike being called "Randy".

So much funny. :D

[Hopefulsuicide]

Which episode of buffy gets you going evertime you watch it, is funny all the way through or simply has some of the best lines in buffy history?

I have put the funniest ones ( i think ) from each season... but of course no one is the same

[Melisande]

Something Blue was really funny.

[Spiked]

Tabula Rasa is just so funny to me. All the actors were hysterical in the episode. Living Conditions would be a close second.

[Hopefulsuicide]

thats so funny... i put living conditions, but tabula ras a close second lol

[vyperman7]

Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered is definately the funniest episode of the whole show in my opinion.

[Summers]

that was a hard one. i was expecting Something Blue on there. question why is Nightmares? that was creepy to me anyways. I chose Storyteller because it had references to previous buffy episodes and "WE ARE GODS!!" moment.

but they are all funny :). randy giles, joan the vampire slayer from Tabula Rasa

[Summers]

when Once More, With Feeling aired btvs took a huge risk, but surprisely everybody was excellent. i was surprised how well smg could sing, considering the fact she never sang. smg and michelle were obiviously better at dancing, and the rest singing. it was amazing...to bad it wasnt nominated that was one of the biggest emmy/golden globe snubs besides The Body. i love the behind the scenes of the musical :)

when buffy stakes the vampire and she say "that was so cool" smiling, and xander faints :lol:. and Willow "i think i'm kinda gay" just like how she said it in season 3 Dopplegangland. Spike in tweed, exactly how he was in Restless where Giles said "he like a son to me". there's past foreshadowings everywhere. plus Anya making bunnies :)

loved Michelle Branch's Goodbye to You(bronze version..Joss made her tone down the music to be less pop, and later used in the last episode trailers for the show) was an excellent choice..we really dont get a lot of big people sometimes. Tabula Rasa probably one of the episodes were i laughed so hard i made my tummy hurt and at the end cried so much.

two great episodes back to back. OMWF was one of my favorite musicals everybody did a great job the cast and crew, the writing and directing my Joss...i swear if i'm in a bad mood, i put the CD or DVD and my mood brightens up...probably because i lip-sing the songs :lol:

[Dru]

Originally posted by Summers
two great episodes back to back. OMWF was one of my favorite musicals everybody did a great job the cast and crew, the writing and directing my Joss...i swear if i'm in a bad mood, i put the CD or DVD and my mood brightens up...probably because i lip-sing the songs :lol:


Me too! I know all the words to all the songs and can sing all of them even without the CD! It's great for when I stupidly watch "In Search Of..." (or any other number of monster or alien abduction shows or web sites.) before bed time and get my self so terrified I can't even turn off the lights. Putting on OMWF relaxes me totally. As soon as I hear the first notes of the CD I totally calm down and forget a minute before I was shaking in terror. It's freaky. The comforting powers of Buffy's singing! LOL!

[SuperSlayer]

Wow! These are all really great episodes. I can't choose between Bewitched, Bothered and Bewildered, Band Candy, Earshot, Living Conditions and Tabula Rasa.

[angelus666]

Originally posted by Melisande
Something Blue was really funny.

Yeah that should have been up to that and Tabula rasa are the funniest eps.

[Summers]

:lol: its fun and relaxing to me too(actually all of the buffy CDs do that to me and Moulin Rouge & West Side Story). the other day i showed my brother and his wife(also buffy/angel fans) and we did the karkoee(sp?) on the special features on the dvd. they were Xander and Anya :lol:

its just fun :). btw, i love the musical notes w/in the songs. for an example, how the tempo varies in Walk Through The Fire.

[Hopefulsuicide]

i put nightmares on there because i thought i should pick at least one funny one from each series... and i didnt pick something blue because i had already picked 2 from series 3...

you dont have to say the ones on there if you have other preferences though

maybe itd be fun to pick one and then give a quote too

living conditions-

Kathy: Oh i was just double checking, just incase we had a theif
Buffy: Like who? Sid the whily dairy gnome?

[Summers]

i'm in a musical mood, so i found some behind the scene photos from Once More, With Feeling:

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast682.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast686.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast687.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast688.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast703.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast704.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast705.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast706.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast707.jpg

these are misc. photos that were released by UPN, Mutant Enemy, and Entertainment Weekly.

[Spiked]

Yep, now I've got to go watch Once More, With Feeling again! :D

[nexgod]

Ah

I have the soundtrack >.<

[Spiked]

Originally posted by nexgod
Ah

I have the soundtrack >.<

Yep, same here. I listen to it just about everyday. :)

[Summers]

i love the instrumental music included in the end. Like the music from Restless, Hush, and The Gift(makes me sad everytime i hear it :( ). the demo by Joss and his wife Kai is pretty good as well. In the third soundtrack Radio From Sunnydale there is music from Chosen....i swear i played the Final Fight over and over again...i love that episode.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
i love the instrumental music included in the end. Like the music from Restless, Hush, and The Gift(makes me sad everytime i hear it :( ). the demo by Joss and his wife Kai is pretty good as well. In the third soundtrack Radio From Sunnydale there is music from Chosen....i swear i played the Final Fight over and over again...i love that episode.

The Gift instrumental music makes me sad everytime as well. Their all really great pieces to listen to. Do you know if the Buffy and Angel love theme that plays during season two is on a CD? That gets to me a lot.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Spiked
The Gift instrumental music makes me sad everytime as well. Their all really great pieces to listen to. Do you know if the Buffy and Angel love theme that plays during season two is on a CD? That gets to me a lot.

actually yea :). its all the first soundtrack. there are three soundtracks(thus far fourth maybe):
(1)Buffy the Vampire Slayer TV Soundtrack
(2)Once More, With Feeling
(3)BtVS:Radio From Sunnydale
the Buffy/Angel love theme is entitled "Close Your Eyes" by Chris Beck(actually won an enemy) is on the first soundtrack Buffy the Vampire Slayer TV Soundtrack. Its the last song on the CD. Its available on the Internet in music stores like Warehouse and Sam Goody.

fyi, just make sure(if you want to buy it) it from the TV show not the original movie....its pretty easy to tell because its basically the same cover as the season 2 dvd w/ Buffy and Angel just w/ the color of black/blue. i'm just saying this because i had a friend you accidently bought the movie soundtrack and not the tv...she was kinda miffed :lol:.

here's the picture similar to the first soundtrack cover:
http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/angbuf4.jpg

sorry its not exactly, but its the closest pic i could find.

[Spiked]

Thank you Summers! I know exactly which one you're talking about. Close Your Eyes is a great piece. "I need a hug". :lol:

[Summers]

okay ;). i just didnt want the same thing to happen to you(getting the wrong CD and all like my friend).

aww...i loved the Mutant Enemy guy at the end "i need a hug" sometimes you need laughter when you crying your eyes out(at least that's what i did).

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
okay ;). i just didnt want the same thing to happen to you(getting the wrong CD and all like my friend).

I appreciate that. Actually I haven't seen the movie yet! I've of course read about it, seen some interviews, but never sat down to watch it. Probably because it doesn't have Sarah, but I plan on seeing it sometime.


aww...i loved the Mutant Enemy guy at the end "i need a hug" sometimes you need laughter when you crying your eyes out(at least that's what i did).

Very true. I felt so bad for Buffy when she had to send Angel to Hell. The emotions were so strong during that scene. Powerful stuff. :)

[lord_vador]

you have to see the movie if you are a buffy fanj but ne prepared to be horriefied-its is sooooo rubbish.

does anyone know what is happening with the animated series???

[Dru]

I LOVE The Movie! It rocks! I've seen it a billion times and can never get enough! It was my huge love of the movie that made me so excited when the show was first being advertised. I couldn't wait to see it.

[lord_vador]

I LOVE The Movie! It rocks! I've seen it a billion times and can never get enough! It was my huge love of the movie that made me so excited when the show was first being advertised. I couldn't wait to see it.

what planet are you from??:D :rotfl:

i suppose everyone is different i mean i love the super mario bros. movie while everyone else thinks it sucks. it was intresting that vampires floated in it. and it was in that movie that i experienced a movie fantasy of mine-a vampire being staked by a guitar!!!

new topic:whats everyone fav song from once more with feeling? my vote goes to 'rest in peace'