Buffy the Vampire Slayer

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Summers
Yea, exactly. Even though BtVS is essentially one big journey, and all the seasons do flow into one another. Each season has a mood to it. I'll put in a season I'm in a mood for. It's kinda like a mood ring, but with dvd boxsets :lol:.

I agree with my girl Becki here :).

No biggie :). I always try to come through no matter what :D. I was done within ten minutes. I just hope the quote bubbles were easy to read lol.

Yea, we are finally getting out of S2 again. Back into S3 timeline. I loved reading the books in S3 timeline especially the Gatekeeper Trilogy :D. Plus yay S8 comics. I can't believe we are getting 20 issues!!! No prob.

btw, I love your new avi :D.

:D that excally what it is a mood ring with DVDs. I was in the mood for music tofay so I watched Once more, With Feeling. I love that episode, I can see why everyone was talking about it. YOu know sometimes when you hear people saying how good something is and when you finally see it yourself you let down because it was so hyped up. Well I was kind of afraid that could happen with this episode but it didn't:D I have to say the big bad's henchmen are really creepy. They remind me way to much of those hand puppets that I'm afraid of. And I don't need to think of think of those guys being another verison of that kind of puppet LOL.

:D

You do that for sure:D I'm going to put hte scans on my photoshop progarm to make them bigger so I can read them:)

Image the GN verison of those 20 issuses:D I can't wait:D It's nice to be excited about it, cause SV's spoilers though they are few sure aren't doing it for me. Are there many books written in the season 4 timeline? I won't mind some more Riley and spoobies in that time line:D Do you know what Time line the Angel books are it? OR is that more a question for Dannyblue? I'm reading two of my Buffy books and I must say I wasn't crazy over the ending inThe book of Fours. (I'm not sure if I ever posted that here or not) It felt like it was cut off to soon, like the last chapter should have been longer explaining things more. And I must say in Moster Island I really think Chrisopher Golen and Homas E. Snigeoki(sp) have the characters down to a tee. Some autors of TV shows books do a better job then others and those two are some of the better ones:D


Originally posted by Summers
Ah, in these Whedonverse threads we have fun :lol:. That's for sure :rotfl:.

Yes we do:D I remember when I first started watching buffy I guess I was still kind of new to things on a board and I was so nervous about posting in this thread (and the angel one). I felt like I didn't know what I was talking about enough but I thought it was such a cool group of people. Everyone was really nice and had fun it was different from some other threads. Also I loved the big debates but I couldn't really add to them since I hadn't see the whole show at the time, not even 3 seasons in fact :lol: Man I was sucha neb LOl back then:lol:


Originally posted by aqua
I just finished watching my season four marathon and I absolutely love it. The episodes and writing is so strong, and the only episodes I didn't like were two written by Tracey Forbes. I love the feel of it and the arc.

But I just hate Riley. Whenever he talked or did something that rubbed me the wrong way (which was almost everytime he spoke) I wanted to impale myself with a rusty spork.

Which episodes are those by Tracey Forbes?

Poor Riley gets no love:lol: Did you even want to impale yourself with cowboy guy?:D I loved cowboy guy, whata cutey:D

[CallMeClark]

I agree with Summers. I think S4 was a transition that had to occur but it just wasn't my favorite of all the seasons.

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east
:D that excally what it is a mood ring with DVDs. I was in the mood for music tofay so I watched Once more, With Feeling. I love that episode, I can see why everyone was talking about it. YOu know sometimes when you hear people saying how good something is and when you finally see it yourself you let down because it was so hyped up. Well I was kind of afraid that could happen with this episode but it didn't:D I have to say the big bad's henchmen are really creepy. They remind me way to much of those hand puppets that I'm afraid of. And I don't need to think of think of those guys being another verison of that kind of puppet LOL.

You do that for sure:D I'm going to put hte scans on my photoshop progarm to make them bigger so I can read them:)


Those puppet guys were creepy to me too especially in Dawn's ballet. I don't know why, but something creeped me out.

Okay. See, I can zoom in on my scanner, but it never "save as" the picture zoom :\.


Originally posted by angelfire east

Image the GN verison of those 20 issuses:D I can't wait:D It's nice to be excited about it, cause SV's spoilers though they are few sure aren't doing it for me. Are there many books written in the season 4 timeline? I won't mind some more Riley and spoobies in that time line:D Do you know what Time line the Angel books are it? OR is that more a question for Dannyblue? I'm reading two of my Buffy books and I must say I wasn't crazy over the ending inThe book of Fours. (I'm not sure if I ever posted that here or not) It felt like it was cut off to soon, like the last chapter should have been longer explaining things more. And I must say in Moster Island I really think Chrisopher Golen and Homas E. Snigeoki(sp) have the characters down to a tee. Some autors of TV shows books do a better job then others and those two are some of the better ones:D

S4 Timeline? Hmmm...I can think of two series off the top of my head:
The Unseen Trilogy (this is a crossover with Angel Inc.)
The Lost Slayer(this was a four parter, but it truly is one of the best in the expanded series...it's written by Christopher Golden too :D )

The Unseen has Riley in it, and The Lost Slayer is pre-"The Initative" so very little Riley if none.

Angel books is more Dannyblue's terrain. I'm sure she would know :).

I loved the lead-up to the climax in The Books of Fours, but I agree the ending was very much a quickie. I loved Monster Island they did have the characters and storyline executed very well I thought. I agree. Anytime Chris Golden writes a Buffy book it's defiinitely sells well lol. He's like Joss in the novel-verse lol.


Originally posted by angelfire east

Yes we do:D I remember when I first started watching buffy I guess I was still kind of new to things on a board and I was so nervous about posting in this thread (and the angel one). I felt like I didn't know what I was talking about enough but I thought it was such a cool group of people. Everyone was really nice and had fun it was different from some other threads. Also I loved the big debates but I couldn't really add to them since I hadn't see the whole show at the time, not even 3 seasons in fact :lol: Man I was sucha neb LOl back then:lol:

Which episodes are those by Tracey Forbes?

Poor Riley gets no love:lol: Did you even want to impale yourself with cowboy guy?:D I loved cowboy guy, whata cutey:D

Ah, have times change. Now your the one telling how things work in the Buffyverse :D.

I believe she writtened "Beer Bad" and "Something Blue". I don't know what a freakin' spork is, but I can remember this. Go figure :lol:.

"I got here early, so I got to be cowboy guy" lol

[aqua]

Which episodes are those by Tracey Forbes?

"Beer Bad" and "Where the Wild Things Are." I liked "Something Blue."

[yellowqueen22]

Originally posted by CallMeClark
Hey, anyone think it's time to change the poll? I think we should do "Best Episode."

I can easily change the poll for you guys!!! I know the current one has caused much frustration... :rotfl:

Let me know if you want me to do it. You can either provide me with the list or I can come up with a list (but if I'm making the list you are likely subject to my favorite episodes being in the list)!!!

[yellowqueen22]

I just went ahead and posted a new poll for you guys!!! It was very hard to pick only 10 episodes and still pick episodes from each season. There are lots of episodes missing (I know people are going to complain about "The Prom," "Graduation Day," "The Body," and "Hush")) but there just wasn't room for all of them. Hope you like the new poll!!!

[Summers]

Originally posted by aqua
"Beer Bad" and "Where the Wild Things Are." I liked "Something Blue."

Oh, I totally forgot "Where the Wild Things Are". I kinda like that one....hehe.

Buffy: You get fang, and I'll get horny
(then Riley has this look of "huh" :lol: )


Originally posted by yellowqueen22
I just went ahead and posted a new poll for you guys!!! It was very hard to pick only 10 episodes and still pick episodes from each season. There are lots of episodes missing (I know people are going to complain about "The Prom," "Graduation Day," "The Body," and "Hush")) but there just wasn't room for all of them. Hope you like the new poll!!!

Cool :cool:. Thanks, Jen :D.

Dang, this is a toughy :lol:. Where's the option for "all of the above" :lol:. Hmmm....

[yellowqueen22]

Originally posted by Summers
Oh, I totally forgot "Where the Wild Things Are". I kinda like that one....hehe.

Buffy: You get fang, and I'll get horny
(then Riley has this look of "huh" :lol: )



Cool :cool:. Thanks, Jen :D.

Dang, this is a toughy :lol:. Where's the option for "all of the above" :lol:. Hmmm....

"Where the Wild Things Are" is a good one, especially because of the Anya/Spike pairing. The sex scenes were rather risque for prime time WB television in those days!!!

No problem... everyone kept complaining about the last poll... for understandable reasons... so YEAH a new poll!!!

I know... it was really hard to pick the episodes.... and then even harder to pick a "best episode."

[Summers]

Originally posted by yellowqueen22
"Where the Wild Things Are" is a good one, especially because of the Anya/Spike pairing. The sex scenes were rather risque for prime time WB television in those days!!!

No problem... everyone kept complaining about the last poll... for understandable reasons... so YEAH a new poll!!!

I know... it was really hard to pick the episodes.... and then even harder to pick a "best episode."

Compared to now sometimes I feel it was tamer to a degree :lol:. One of the reasons I'm fond of "Where The Wild Things Are" was actually kinda meaning to it :eek:. About sexual repression, and I get a kick out of Joss rebelling in that episode :rotfl:.

It was kinda of confusing for some of the newbies.

I still haven't picked yet. I love all those episodes lol.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Summers
Those puppet guys were creepy to me too especially in Dawn's ballet. I don't know why, but something creeped me out.

agreed, that dance was very creappy. I'm just glad Joss didn't have them sing. I think that would have bought the creepiness to a whole new level.


Originally posted by Summers
Okay. See, I can zoom in on my scanner, but it never "save as" the picture zoom :\.

That must suck.:\


Originally posted by Summers
S4 Timeline? Hmmm...I can think of two series off the top of my head:
The Unseen Trilogy (this is a crossover with Angel Inc.)
The Lost Slayer(this was a four parter, but it truly is one of the best in the expanded series...it's written by Christopher Golden too :D )

The Unseen has Riley in it, and The Lost Slayer is pre-"The Initative" so very little Riley if none.

Angel books is more Dannyblue's terrain. I'm sure she would know :).

Cool I'll have to check it out. Thanks:)


Originally posted by Summers
I loved the lead-up to the climax in The Books of Fours, but I agree the ending was very much a quickie. I loved Monster Island they did have the characters and storyline executed very well I thought. I agree. Anytime Chris Golden writes a Buffy book it's defiinitely sells well lol. He's like Joss in the novel-verse lol.

LOL agreed:D

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east
agreed, that dance was very creappy. I'm just glad Joss didn't have them sing. I think that would have bought the creepiness to a whole new level.


I thought it was so funny when we think that one puppet who came to the Magic Box to tell Buffy to go to the Bronze to get Dawn. The music was rising up, but then all he did was just talk :rotfl:.

[aqua]

New poll! I voted for Becomings.

[CallMeClark]

My vote went for "The Wish." Best episode ever and, IMO so utterly.... well... COOL!

[Summers]

*sighs* Okay, I love all these episodes. Basically I can watch all of these episodes over and over again without being bored of them. In the end I chose the one episode that is really close to my heart, and that has to be "Chosen" due to Buffy's chosen speech to the girls.

[Immortal]

I voted for Surprise/Innocence. Whenever I think of Buffy, these are the first two episodes that come to mind. Never was their such an original epic love story like that of Buffy and Angel. And when Angel gave Buffy the cladaugh ring...(sigh), one of the most beautfiful moments in tv history!

[yellowqueen22]

I voted for "The Gift" because it really is the best 45min of television I've ever watched in my life... and most certainly the best season finale. I've never cried so hard in a show as I did during the final minutes of that episode. But obviously, since I picked the episodes, I LOVE them all!!!

[cayayofm]

I really can't peak a favorite from that list. I think they are all great and the thing is that I don't have a favorite Buffy episode. However, I think that none of those episodes are the best Buffy episode that in my opinion is Hush.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by aqua
"Beer Bad" and "Where the Wild Things Are." I liked "Something Blue."

I loved Beer Bad:D Cave Slayer:D Parker getting what he desreves, Willow's talk to him:D IT was just fun goodiness:D

[Summers]

Well, I'll be Willow's monkey's aunt :lol:. None have more than one yet lol.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by yellowqueen22
I just went ahead and posted a new poll for you guys!!! It was very hard to pick only 10 episodes and still pick episodes from each season. There are lots of episodes missing (I know people are going to complain about "The Prom," "Graduation Day," "The Body," and "Hush")) but there just wasn't room for all of them. Hope you like the new poll!!!

Cool:D Can the next poll be favorite big bad? I mean seasonal big bad; there 7 so there all fit all on the poll.:)

I hate picking favorite episode. I picked Once more, With Feeling since I watched it last nice am feeling the love for it.:D

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I loved Beer Bad:D Cave Slayer:D Parker getting what he desreves, Willow's talk to him:D IT was just fun goodiness:D

I'm laughing just thinking about :lol:.

Xander: Giles don't make Cave Slayer angry :lol:

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Summers
Ah, have times change. Now your the one telling how things work in the Buffyverse :D.

"I got here early, so I got to be cowboy guy" lol

Yeah it is funny how things change. It feels weird sometimes:lol:

:D What a cutey eh:D That's good look for him

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Cool:D Can the next poll be favorite big bad? I mean seasonal big bad; there 7 so there all fit all on the poll.:)

I hate picking favorite episode. I picked Once more, With Feeling since I watched it last nice am feeling the love for it.:D

Ooo..that's a good one :).

If there was an option for "all of the above" I would've chose that. This was a toughy since I love all the episodes here :). I think they were all BtVS best work, and like Jen said there were some she didn't even put in there(i.e. "The Body", "Hush", and etc.).

[yellowqueen22]

Originally posted by cayayofm
I really can't peak a favorite from that list. I think they are all great and the thing is that I don't have a favorite Buffy episode. However, I think that none of those episodes are the best Buffy episode that in my opinion is Hush.

I knew someone would complain about "Hush" not being there!!! :lol:


Originally posted by angelfire east
Cool:D Can the next poll be favorite big bad? I mean seasonal big bad; there 7 so there all fit all on the poll.:)

Certainly... just let me know when you want to change up the poll... and be aware that once we get rid of a poll it is gone for good!!!


Originally posted by Summers
I'm laughing just thinking about :lol:.

Xander: Giles don't make Cave Slayer angry :lol:

I LOVE that episode... way too funny!!! Everytime I watch it I start talking like Cave Slayer... it's a bit of a problem. And I love that they touched on some of the Xander/Buffy sexual tension from the early seasons.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Summers
I'm laughing just thinking about :lol:.

Xander: Giles don't make Cave Slayer angry :lol:

:lol: I love that line:D


Originally posted by yellowqueen22
I knew someone would complain about "Hush" not being there!!! :lol:


Certainly... just let me know when you want to change up the poll... and be aware that once we get rid of a poll it is gone for good!!!

:lol:

I'm not sure. A mouth? Maybe we should have a poll on how long hte poll should be up :lol:

Before the poll comes down, I'll copy/paste the results so it's still around:D

[aqua]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I loved Beer Bad:D Cave Slayer:D Parker getting what he desreves, Willow's talk to him:D IT was just fun goodiness:D

Ugh it was like a bad episode of Charmed. Stupid concept, awful acting, maked me want to kill myself with my spork. The only part I liked about Cave Slayer was at the end. "What did you learn about beer?" "Foamy!"

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by aqua
Ugh it was like a bad episode of Charmed. Stupid concept, awful acting, maked me want to kill myself with my spork. The only part I liked about Cave Slayer was at the end. "What did you learn about beer?" "Foamy!"

To each there own:D

I was thinking about it when you first started watching Buffy (when it first aired), if someone had told you Willow will turn evil, kill a man and try to destory the world becuase her girlfriend was murdered and Cordy would become a higher being, someone who helps Angel get back on track. And Buffy will get a sister, have a realionship with Spike and die what would you have said?

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east

I'm not sure. A mouth? Maybe we should have a poll on how long hte poll should be up :lol:

Before the poll comes down, I'll copy/paste the results so it's still around:D

Sometimes we get more lurkers in these TV Shows threads, so a month sounds good.


Originally posted by angelfire east
To each there own:D

I was thinking about it when you first started watching Buffy (when it first aired), if someone had told you Willow will turn evil, kill a man and try to destory the world becuase her girlfriend was murdered and Cordy would become a higher being, someone who helps Angel get back on track. And Buffy will get a sister, have a realionship with Spike and die what would you have said?

What I did when it happen. Holy Crap :lol:. Even though Willow and Spuffy was the easiest to predict than all of them :lol:.

[cayayofm]

I was recently watching 'Empty Places' and Caleb is triying to persue Buffy to go to the vineyard again. I undertand that he wants them to go into a trap again, but why to the place where he is trying to hide something from her?


I don't like 'Beer Bad'. I think that maybe it has two or three funny lines, but I just don't find people acting like canivals funny at all.

Buffy: Buffy is strong, Buffy wants beer.:lol:

Xander: Nothing can defeat the pennis! :D

[CallMeClark]

Because then Buffy wouldn't even think to look for something there. Plus he knows the territory a lot better.

[Summers]

Originally posted by cayayofm
I was recently watching 'Empty Places' and Caleb is triying to persue Buffy to go to the vineyard again. I undertand that he wants them to go into a trap again, but why to the place where he is trying to hide something from her?

Caleb never told Buffy to go back to the vineyard. The only locations he gave specifically was the seal and the school. He never mentioned the vineyard. The trap already occured there. It was Buffy who actually connected the dots, and knew something was back at the vineyard. Caleb was talking about the seal and school heavily, but those two places weren't protected like the vineyard. Buffy figured it out by using her military stragedies. Caleb was too overconfident in himself he didn't even realize it. Overconfidence is nearly all of the Mini and Big Bads's weaknesses. Notice how surprised Caleb and The First/Buffy was when Buffy arrived in that last shot of Act 3 in "Touched".

The next trap was actually given in "Touched" by one of the Bringers(which technically was the First). Who told them the exact location, the sewers, is where the armory is. That was the next trap. What Caleb did in "Empty Places" was using the last step in malipulation to get Buffy away from the Scoobies and Potentials. A tactic that succeeded this time, but previously failed by Spike and Adam in "Primeval". See?

ETA: Damn, I should've put it's all interpretative :\ lol.

[cayayofm]

Well, the way I saw it, he was making all that noise about the seal and school to focus Buffy's attention in the vineyard.

BUFFY/FIRST
Did you lay the proper groundwork?

CALEB
That I did. Reckon she got the message, even if she doesn't know it yet. So now the big strong slayer goes back to those girls... she's just so ready to walk them right into it. And all we have to do is give her that one final gentle (sticks his hand through Buffy/First's chest) nudge.

He is talking about Buffy leading the gilrs to someplace, I just figured out it was the vineyard again. I don't know, for the way he is talking with The First it does not looks like he wanted for the potentials to rebel against Buffy. Even in Dirty Girls he talks about Buffy being the one leading the potentials to disaster.

[Summers]

Because essentially they did lead the potentials to disaster in the sewer lol. The First is a very calculating villain. Who nearly had all sides covered in malipulations and traps. Either way The First had the potentials no matter what. Buffy and Spike were the wild cards.

Plus not to mention we're talking about yet again a flawed storyline :lol:. If you have your own interpretation, then go with it :\. Essentially half of the S7 First storyline is fanwank :\. It's interpretation vs. interpretation. Which you and I covered a long time ago lol. There is no definite answer with the S7 First storyline since it wasn't clearly laid out. It's very interpretative hence the fanwank :\.

[cayayofm]

Yea, that is what I try to do, get to my own interpretations. I always thought that Caleb wanted for Buffy to go back with the potentials a finish them once and for all. He was trying to lead them to the vineyard because he is somehow his strongest there. It's just that I recently rewatced the episode and wanted to see what others possibilities could be. I always kind of liked and hated how ambiguous the First actions were.

[Summers]

Yea, I can see that. The First in S7 was flawed, and yet I liked strangely. Which is weird for me to say since I'm not too keen on flawed storylines. Having it consistently in the season I liked. It wasn't in big spurts per sa.

We do know the only reason why Caleb was strong was because he was The First's vessel. That's where his strength came from, and they did emphaize he was strong not only in the vineyard but out of the it(i.e. "Empty Places", "End of Days", and "Chosen"). The trap in the sewer essentially would have took out the strongest of the potentials, but not all of them would be wiped out entirely. They also had the less trained at the Summers' house.

[cayayofm]

I totally get what you mean. The fact that the season 7 arc is flawed has never stopped me from liking it. There is a lot to like and I really think is the strongest season episode to episode since season 3(my personal choice for best season), heck I even think that it has heights that season 3 did not had.

That makes me think to why they never tried to do a direct attack to the house, is clear that The First wanted Buffy alive, but is not like she was there all the time.

[Summers]

Agreed. As long as we acknowledge(or accept) the fact it was flawed. Even the Buffyverse has flaws(though not many :lol: ). My personal choice as always been S5 due to how strong it was, but S3 follows closely behind it lol.

That's simple. They needed to fill that 22 episode contract with UPN :lol:.

[cayayofm]

At first I was dissapointed because I think they never before had flaws that big, but I realized that Joss is not perfect, he is just human (what!? he is not a God?...lol). Season 5 is a season that slowly as I had rewatched through the years keeps growing on me and I find more fazinating. I have to be carefull, someday it could take season 3 from the top, it is currently my second favorite.

lol... that is not totally untrue.

[Summers]

To me BtVS-wise S7 The First storyline is the only big flaw they had :\. Though there are some that would find more depending on their POV. Which is fine since it's very subjective thing depending on the topic. I was very stubborn not to believe it at first, but eventually I did. Talk about denial-land I would be in :lol:. Though being it's last season I'm more lenient, and sentimental about it. Honestly, it could've been worse lol. No show is flawless. Now there are other shows that have more holes than Swiss Cheese does :lol:. There is always the other extreme of countless flaws that occur for more than one season.


Originally posted by cayayofm

lol... that is not totally untrue.

I couldn't help myself. That smartass comment was calling me :lol:.

[cayayofm]

Yeah, I guess we should be happy that they manteined such a high level of quality for so long and you can always feel that they were trying to do their best. I feel the same way about being the last season. It's funny because it's harder for me to notice, care or agree about Buffy flaws, much of the complaints much fans had with the last two seasons I did not had with Buffy, but I had with others shows.

[Summers]

Originally posted by cayayofm
Yeah, I guess we should be happy that they manteined such a high level of quality for so long and you can always feel that they were trying to do their best. I feel the same way about being the last season. It's funny because it's harder for me to notice, care or agree about Buffy flaws, much of the complaints much fans had with the last two seasons I did not had with Buffy, but I had with others shows.

That basically sums up me lol :). I kinda care less on Buffy flaws since they were so few of them, and having the show be such high quality and knowing that TPTB did try their best. They thrive to. Most of the constructive criticism has been in S4, S6, and S7. Now mostly S4 and S6, I observed anyhow at the time of airing, was that the fans didn't like the storyline. Whether it be Riley, or the very darkness of S6(the metaphors essentially stopped being metaphors in that season to a degree). Recently, the places I've been to, S6 is getting a whole lot of love. Just depends, and opinions change over time. For an example, at the time of airing I hated Roswell S3 but when I bought it and rewatched I found myself loving that season to death :lol:. Go figure :\.

The only reason I watch SV is because I'm a hardcore Superman fan, and since I stayed with the show this long I might as well see how it finishes. Even though I think the best seasons will always be S1-S3(even though S2 was really out of wack lol).

ETA: To me it depends on the execution on these other tv shows I watch on how harsh or lenient I am. I seen the very best(BtVS, Firefly, Grey's Anatomy as examples), and I seen the very worse on tv(Well, SV...sorry to me that's the lowest you can be and that was hard for me to even admit that in S3/S4 time). Just depends.

[cayayofm]

Yeah, I have recently seen a lot of love for season 4 and 6. Generally I never though they were bad, just weaker and in some things least interesting in the way they handled some things, but overall they all are good seasons.

I thought that Charmed was okay until season 5 after that I had similar complaints about the seasons that much Buffy fans had. I did not wanted to use Smallville because it had not ended yet to look at the criticizims of the last seasons, but yeah, there has been a noticable decline in quality after season 3(again a complaint that some, a few, but some Buffy fans had).However, I felt that season 2 never took off, there were episode to try to move somewhere like Insurgence and Prodigal, but the events of those episode were soon forgotten.

[Summers]

Originally posted by cayayofm
Yeah, I have recently have seen a lot of love for season 4 and 6. Generally I never though they were bad, just weaker and in some things least interesting in the way they handled some things, but overall they all are good seasons.

I thought that Charmed was okay until season 5 after that I had similar complaints about the seasons that much Buffy fans had. I did not wanted to use Smallville because it had not ended yet to look at the criticizims of the last seasons, but yeah, there has been a noticable decline in quality after season 3(again a complaint that some, a few, but some Buffy fans had).

Confessionally, what I was always afraid of was being known as a drone. The fan who thinks nothing is wrong with their show. Usually, being me it takes me a little while to admit something. As my grandfather's excuse was it's because I'm half-Irish :lol:. Anyways, it's still kinda hard for me to say which season of BtVS was the weakest or as some would say bad. Since I did enjoy every season, however; I enjoyed more seasons than others. I just never wanted to be seen as a drone. Heck, I don't know what you would label me. I mean Andy loves S2, and Ryan loves his S3 and S6. I guess I came to an empass where I just acknowledge the flaws. Now I'm just rambling lol.

The funny thing is with SV I didn't have the same complaints that Buffy fans had on post-S3. It wasn't the storylines I didn't like. It was the execution of them which turned the storylines into mush lol. S2 was very scattered. There didn't seem to have a strong central arc involving Clark's origin(that storyline barely had four episodes)even though AlMiles say there was, but there clearly wasn't. S2 was more about ships than anything to me.

[cayayofm]

I understand, sometimes I feel like that when I am disscussing Buffy on other forums and everyone is rambling about how bad season 7 was. Im like maybe I am missing something. However, I always had my own problems with season 4 and 6, for example I hated how the handled the Willow magic adicction in episodes 9-12, after that they did better. I don't really like that 4 episodes that much, but overall I enjoyed the show entierly and that is why is the only series wich I own every season.

I think that this year storyline was full of potential, but yet again the execution was bad. There is nothing wrong with having a season about ships, season 2 of Buffy was about that a lot, the thing is that they insist that there more to it, when clearly there is not. That is another of my complaints they never get deep into its themes, they are afraid to explrore and change.

[Summers]

Yea, I feel the same way when I'm discussing on BtVS boards. I'm still on the boards, but I discuss less and answer questions more lol. I think the ramblings on most three debatable seasons(S4, S6-S7) have very good valid points. I can see the POV of where some are coming from unless it's just bashing without the constructiveness :lol:. The only episode that bugged me on Willow's addiction was "Wrecked", but other than that I thought they handle it well. Technically that arc began in "Becoming Pt.2", and it didn't stop. I always say S6 was the climax of that storyline :\. The show as entirely is just one big book series to me. Now if we talk about one season you know we have to bring up another, or connect it to Angel :lol:.

I agree. There was some storylines I didn't already agree with in early SV S5, but I just had this gut feeling they would blow the Brainaic storyline. Ships always get in the way. There was no balance, and in SV you need that balance due to the mythology. BtVS S2 was heavy into ships early on, and yet because of it we started to go into more of the mythology of the show right when Angelus emerged. It was a cataylst for the mythology from S3-onward. Which is pretty neat. Roswell used the same tactic on their show. They would use the ships as a catalyst to the mythology, so they work hand and hand. The ships would push the mythology, and visa versa. Which occured on BtVS too. With SV it sometimes feels the ships and mythology are fighting each other besides the whole go against one's destiny. They aren't really helping each other since they are fighting for screentime most of the time.

[cayayofm]

That is another great thing that the characters arcs run through the seasons and the magic thing exploted in season 6. Again I liked most the Willow thing and it looked at the begining of the season that they were going for an abuse of power story, but 'Wrecked', just wrecked that and it was just a simple drug addiction methapor, after Dead Things they got on track again.

One of the reasons that I really got into Smallville is because I saw all the elements and potential to be as rich as Buffy was. That is an interesting point about the ships vs mytology and how they help each other. It looked like in season 4 they kind learned that. The introduced Lana into the the seasonal arc and the mytology, I thought when Lana went to Clark for answers it was going to be a great moment to have this two work together and to finally resolve this two romantic storyline and move the arc foward, but we know how well that worked.:\

[Summers]

Yea, because of BtVS I started saying "series arc" separate from "seasonal arc". I just love that since it deals with gradual progression, and if you see the hints then you see what happened next was inevitable. Or at least foreshadowed(that's why I adore Grey's Anatomy since they do that as well lol). "Dead Things" is when I started to get that on-track feel to it as well. Even though I'm not fan of destructive Spuffy(even though you could tell it was coming from the couple's mental state) that episode I liked. Even though it's very, very dark.

Yea, I sadly remember. WTH was up with the emotional and factual continuity of that season. I was really into the Stone Arc too since they put history into it from the Mayas, Egyptians, and Chinese. I was miffed at what happened. Isobel and Teague's arcs didn't match each other with the first and second half of season.

[cayayofm]

I'm not a huge fan of Spuffy in season 6, but I understand Buffy's emotions and feelings. I thought Spike was very selfish and took advantage of Buffy's state, however I understand he did not had a soul back then.

I was completly disspointed how that turned out, I started the show mid season 3 and 4 was my first full season, so I was expecting so much more.

It has been real nice chatting with you, or in this case typing...lol, but gotta go now. Good night.

[Summers]

The warm-fuzzies of Spuffy in S6 I loved, but not the destructive part of it. They were both taking advantage of each other for selfish reasons, and that's never good.

Still get a kick out of the map changing in mid-season :lol:.

I was about the say the same thing. Nice chatting with you. It was nice chat it was :). Talk to you later ;).

[Yuui]

Originally posted by Summers
The warm-fuzzies of Spuffy in S6 I loved, but not the destructive part of it. They were both taking advantage of each other for selfish reasons, and that's never good.

Still get a kick out of the map changing in mid-season :lol:.

I was about the say the same thing. Nice chatting with you. It was nice chat it was :). Talk to you later ;).

I rather liked their selfishness tendencies. Sure, it somewhat proved that they were never in love and were merely lusting after each other to soothe their troubles, but it was a good allusion.

By the way, I still think Angel is Buffy's real love, and that Spike was simply her flavor of the month. :o

[Summers]

Whatever makes believe what you want to believe lol. Hence being the land of shipperness lol.

[smallvillefanforlife]

i just watched season 1 again and forgot how good prophecy girl was and how sad it is when buffy dies and xander brings her back

[CallMeClark]

Yeah, I just watched that too. I never noticed the Buffy/Xander bond until S7. I didn't see it there before. (Although he did save her). I think it is so cool that both her friends brought her back to life (Xander S1 and Willow S6).

I also wanted to point out all the series regulars, other than Giles die in "The Wish." Thereby making it that much cooler. ;)

[Summers]

Originally posted by smallvillefanforlife
i just watched season 1 again and forgot how good prophecy girl was and how sad it is when buffy dies and xander brings her back

Yea, I love "Prophecy Girl".


As Spike said in "Fool For Love" one of the reasons Buffy lived as long as she did was due to her friends. Remember slayers are suppose to be alone by council's orders, and the complex issues the slayers put on themselves.

[angelfire east]

I always wonder if now there are other slayers and Faith is good and can lead them if Buffy will take time off to have a family, or if she'll have a family while still being main slayer (the leader).

[Summers]

I don't know we'll find out in the comics :lol:. Though I always hoped that Buffy could do both. She would still be the Queen of the Slayers, but have the burden of being "the only one" decrease to a degree.

[yellowqueen22]

I think they showed time and time again that what made Buffy such a good slayer was the fact that she could do both. Sure... sometimes her social life got in the way of her slaying, but it was also what kept her in touch with her humanity, instead of becoming dark like Faith or solely motivated like the First Slayer.

In that sense, Buffy is very much like Angel. The scoobie gang and the fang gang act as the touchstone for Buffy and Angel to humanity, keeping them from losing themselves in their super powers or their mission.

[CallMeClark]

I thinnk Buffy could handle having a family and being a slayer. She did it with Dawn.

[Summers]

Originally posted by yellowqueen22
I think they showed time and time again that what made Buffy such a good slayer was the fact that she could do both. Sure... sometimes her social life got in the way of her slaying, but it was also what kept her in touch with her humanity, instead of becoming dark like Faith or solely motivated like the First Slayer.

Indeed. To enable Buffy Summers and The Slayer to co-exist as one, and it did take the whole series to make it work. I mean it was one of her series arcs to work it out.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by yellowqueen22
In that sense, Buffy is very much like Angel. The scoobie gang and the fang gang act as the touchstone for Buffy and Angel to humanity, keeping them from losing themselves in their super powers or their mission.

Agreed. That gave my a nice thought: Buffy and the scoobies beinga family to a baby like Angel and the Fang gang:D Now I'm all warm fuzzzy:D

I can just picture Spike and Angel there too, trying to one up the other like 12 year olds with the baby and competely being in love with the baby because's it's Buffys and has the Summer's cutiness:D

man someone has to write a fan fic about that LOL. I'm sure someone has somewhere

[Summers]

Just had the image of the little girl in Queen of the Slayers :D.

[CallMeClark]

I was curious how did everyone feel with what Joss and Co. did with Oz in S4?

[angelfire east]

I was fine with it. I was happy Oz learned to control his wolf side (mostly) and he and Willow parted as friends. THe character was leaving the show and I think he got a good send off. He made his piece with everyone, helped Riley, got some nice closer plus it was left open that he could back. I hate shows that kill off boyfriend and girlfriends of it's leads just for the sake of it.


Originally posted by Summers
Just had the image of the little girl in Queen of the Slayers :D.

I do:D I'm glad Willow could see the little girl.

[CallMeClark]

I know, but had never imaged Oz as a "cheater." He seemed so "all about Willow."

[Yuui]

Originally posted by CallMeClark
I was curious how did everyone feel with what Joss and Co. did with Oz in S4?

In retrospect, I'm surprised Joss didn't decide to kill him off after a momentary lapse of love (movements). :o

Did anyone else hear the rumors of Oz returning in Season 7? It was something like they planned him to return, but there wasn't enough time, or something.

:confused:

[cayayofm]

I don't remember hearing anything about that, but I heard a lot that they were planing on bringing Oz to Angel season 6, still don't know how he would had fitted there.

[Summers]

I'm glad they didn't kill Oz off(or Riley for that matter). A certain show we know have a tendency of killing ex-boyfriend/girlfriends :lol:. Knowing Seth wanted to try to new things, and it was getting tough on the writers to put Oz in certain things I liked what they did with him S4. He actually had an arc that really didn't just center on the romantic ship like it did in S3. We were able to go back into his Wolfyness, and I loved how he was able to control it for the most part lol. Overall I liked what they did, and they didn't make Willow, Oz(it was his animal magnetism to Vercura was the loophole to his cheating), or Tara the bad person. Which honestly is hard to do in that situation, but they pulled it off. Plus I just love his cameo in "Restless" :lol:.


Originally posted by Yuui

Did anyone else hear the rumors of Oz returning in Season 7? It was something like they planned him to return, but there wasn't enough time, or something.

Yea, I know of it. Joss actually had a plan of having Oz return with a Wolf Pack to help in the final battle in the Hellmouth. In the Buffyverse we found out in a "New Moon Rising" werewolves really don't need the moon to change themselves. It was negative/anger that truly provokes the change. Joss's plan couldn't happen due to money, scheduling conflicts, and not enough time. This was confirmed by Joss in an interview.

What's great about the novel Queen of the Slayers the author Nancy Holder put Joss's original plan in her book by bringing Oz into it, and his wolf pack to aid Buffy, her slayers, and the Scoobies. It was a great shout-out to his original plan for "Chosen" :).


Originally posted by cayayofm
I don't remember hearing anything about that, but I heard a lot that they were planing on bringing Oz to Angel season 6, still don't know how he would had fitted there.

From what I recall he wanted Oz and Nina to meet, and Oz would basically help Nina to control her wolfness. Plus to accept, and be proud of her new hertiage. That was his plan to bring Oz in Angel S6.This was confirmed by Joss in the same interview I believe.


Originally posted by angelfire east

I do:D I'm glad Willow could see the little girl.

Aww..I love that scene. I'm trying to remember how the little girl looked like. I remember she had Buffy's hair, Spike's blue eyes, and Angel's smile. I was so happy Willow saw her too :D.

[yellowqueen22]

There were tons of rumors as to who would show up for the final episodes of Buffy. Some claimed that every prior major character would show up... and to some extent they were able to do that with the first. But Oz was one of the more anticipated returns... it sucks that it didn't work out. Still, they brought so many people back in the last season, it is hard to complain.

[Summers]

The storylines and rumor spewing around after awhile became a joke. I mean it was so funny because the rumors became more wilder as time went by :lol:.

[CallMeClark]

There are so many characters I wanted a return from in S7 and only got a few :(. I wanted Cordy (so so bad. We never got her reaction to Anya and Xander as a SERIOUS couple and her alone would make for a fun episode), Dru, Baddies, Angel, Oz, Faith, Tara, Joyce and Watcher Price.

[Summers]

Considering the WB vs. UPN debatcle, scheduling conflicts, and money we were honestly lucky to get what we got :\. I frankly didn't care who didn't or did show up. It wasn't important to me. Plus unlike other shows Joss actually cared if the cameos held some importance to the story. To have Cordy or Wes show up would be unnecessary, and they closed off Dru's cameos in S5 when Spuffy came out in the open in "Crush". You need cameos to hold importance and meaning, or looks like you are just doing it for ratings. That's not what the Whedonverse was about. We were lucky to get what we got :\. Not to mention they had to concentrate on the main storylines, and there wouldn't be enough time to put all those cameos in. Screentime is a serious issue as it is for any show.

[yellowqueen22]

Plus having either Cordy or Wes show up would have made no sense... since Cordy was in a coma and Wesley was bouncing from utopia wonderland/end of the world/evil lawfirm.

[Summers]

Exactly lol.

[CallMeClark]

Cordy was in a coma in S7 of Buffy... Damn. I forget they are connecting shows in the sense that the "worlds" are one in the same. arg!

It would have been quite simple to give Cordy an episode however if it wer enot for the coma (i.e. Just heard about the end of the world and decided to stop back in, visiting parents, etc...)

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
From what I recall he wanted Oz and Nina to meet, and Oz would basically help Nina to control her wolfness. Plus to accept, and be proud of her new hertiage. That was his plan to bring Oz in Angel S6.This was confirmed by Joss in the same interview I believe.


That would have been a great idea...so there was a possibilty of a Angel Season 6? So Joss just got the new's of the cancellation late...so I guess that went down the toilet.

[Summers]

It would have been quite simple to give Cordy an episode however if it wer enot for the coma (i.e. Just heard about the end of the world and decided to stop back in, visiting parents, etc...)

Actually it would still be quite difficult since prior to that she had no memory, and Jasmine took over her after "Spin The Bottle". Not to mention WB didn't lift the "no crossover" clause until "Salvage" :\. It would've been tough either way to do that cameo.


Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
That would have been a great idea...so there was a possibilty of a Angel Season 6? So Joss just got the new's of the cancellation late...so I guess that went down the toilet.

Joss was always prepared for the next season, so he could plant seeds in the season before. He was the one that asked for the early renewal, and he received the news of cancellation in Feburary. Which in TV Land is considered quite early :\.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Man, that must of hurt to here about the cancellation....a mean I was hoping it would have ended like Buffy did. Not by cancellation but by it just ending with Joss saying this is the end of the show.

[Summers]

I wish too. I wish that for many of my gendre shows(i.e. Roswell), but network politics and such got in the way for Angel living to see another season :\.

[CallMeClark]

Especially when there are others shows that have far less ratings... I guess the rating were not good enough and that the show cost a lot to make.

[Summers]

Ratings are always a variable in many show's cancellation. Surprisely, in Angel's case ratings were a small variable. What was Angel's downfall was network politics, constant fighting with WB, and Joss's persistance to get an early renewal. Ratings was Roswell's main problem in keeping it on the air during S1 and S3. S2 was mostly about network politics just like Angel's cancellation :\,

[Summers]

Being Gay:

(July 09 2006) - It took putting an openly gay man in charge of BBC's "Doctor Who" to help break down some of the sexual barriers in that iconic Welsh television show, and it looks like a little bit of the same is happening with the new NBC show "Heroes" as openly gay former "Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" writer Bryan Fuller is helping to introduce a gay character on the show.

But could such movement in what seems to be new territory for science-fiction shows spill over into SciFi Channel's "Battlestar Galactica"? You know, like, ahem, Gaeta?

"Well, as far as you know, you haven't seen any gay characters," Executive Producer David Eick told Out Magazine. "As we evolve through the series and get further away from that cataclysm (of the human race's near annihilation), we may feel like it's less of a stretch to start showing people getting involved with each other. Who's to say who won't turn out gay?"

Jamie Bamber, who plays the pretty obviously straight Lee "Apollo" Adama in the series, agrees.

"There's no reason in a world that is gender-blind, on battlestars and across this fleet, that we haven't had an overtly gay relationship come to fruition," Bamber said. "It should be there, and it should be as unabashedly honest as the heterosexual relationships."

Introducing gay characters, even on a network like NBC that has lived and died off of the gay comedy "Will & Grace," is still a little uncomfortable for some of the network's top executives. NBC, by the way, is owned by the same company -- NBC Universal -- that owns SciFi Channel and the rights to "Battlestar Galactica." In the pilot for "Heroes," a popular high school cheerleader confides in a male friend about her superhero-like ability. While it's not spelled out in so many words, the male character is gay.

"There was a moment on the set where (series creator Tim Kring) was with an NBC executive, who shall remain nameless, and the exec said, 'Hmm, you need to watch (the cheerleader friend) because that character could be interpreted as gay,' and Tim said, 'Why do we need to watch that?'" "Hereo's" Bryan Fuller told Out.

Kring said that there are many possibilities of introducing gay characters into the series, something the genre has seen very little of outside of Capt. Jack Harkness on "Doctor Who" (and soon to be "Torchwood") and Willow Rosenberg of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer."

"I am intrigued by a gay character front and center, and we are openly discussing it in the studio and in the writers' room now," Kring said. "It doesn't scare me at all (despite his run-in with a network executive), and it's always been a battle with networks on that sort of thing. there's a subversiveness that you're forced to think about these things with. You try to come in through a side door."

It's unknown if shows like "Battlestar Galactica" will ever see a Gaeta character, er gay character anytime in the near future. Back in the late 1980s, "Star Trek: The Next Generation" was rumored to have a gay character, and was even reportedly admitted to by series creator Gene Roddenberry before the series aired. However, outside of some passing references, there was never any major gay storyline.

Both "Heroes" and "Battlestar Galactica" will air in the fall, the former making its series premiere. "Doctor Who" recently wrapped its second season in the United Kingdom and is expected to make a fall premiere in the United States on SciFi Channel.
source: slayerverse

I adore Bryan Fuller. He created one of my favorite series, Dead Like Me, which sadly didn't make past two seasons :(.

[CallMeClark]

I love gay Willow. ;)

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
I wish too. I wish that for many of my gendre shows(i.e. Roswell), but network politics and such got in the way for Angel living to see another season :\.

Roswell was one of my favorite show's until it went off...Im still trying to get the DVD's.


Originally posted by CallMeClark
I love gay Willow. ;)

Same here! :D

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Roswell was one of my favorite show's until it went off...Im still trying to get the DVD's.

Is that the next boxset your are collecting? I love the coloring of the boxsets. S2 has my favorite pretty blue :D. I watch it constantly now.

I enjoyed Willow's character no matter what her sexual orientation was lol.

[vyperman7]

Hey everyone.

New Video - Bangel (Buffy/Angel) Everything Changes

I cannot believe I am saying this, but I made a Bangel video :eek: John and Aqua this should make you guys happy since I know that both of you ship Buffy and Angel. I never really was that into the ship, but I have always loved the song "Everything Changes" by Staind and the song instantly made me think of everything Buffy and Angel have been through. This video covers the bad and good times of the relationship. Like any truly good shipper video, it is filled with angst. :D This video also has some effects like white flash transitions, superimposes (seeing two scenes at once), and black/white scenes.

Scenes from all the seasons, including the Angel episode "I Will Remember You" which is ironically one of my all time favorite Buffyverse episodes simply because of how heartbreaking that episode is. Even if you don't ship Bangel, that has to be one of the saddest endings I have ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBcd39IgMvs

[Summers]

No way :eek: :lol:.

I love that episode :D. I'll view it tonight when I have time. I'm multi-tasking right now lol.

[CallMeClark]

Willow was funny. Her shyness made it that way. And how she always felt she put her foot in her mouth. lol.

And how she would go. "Well, I didn't mean it like that I mean..."

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Summers
No way :eek: :lol:.

I love that episode :D. I'll view it tonight when I have time. I'm multi-tasking right now lol.

It's all good. I figure that you will probably enjoy this video because I got some good scenes in there. I still remember way back when, when you were raving about the kiss scene in I Will Remember You with the spinning cam.


Originally posted by Summers
I enjoyed Willow's character no matter what her sexual orientation was lol.

I agree with you Mel. To me, Willow stayed the same person regardless of her sexual orientation. I wouldn't really classify her into two seperate groups of pre and post gay.

[Summers]

Originally posted by vyperman7
It's all good. I figure that you will probably enjoy this video because I got some good scenes in there. I still remember way back when, when you were raving about the kiss scene in I Will Remember You with the spinning cam.

I agree with you Mel. To me, Willow stayed the same person regardless of her sexual orientation. I wouldn't really classify her into two seperate groups of pre and post gay.

Your still remember that? :eek:. That was a long time ago lol. You put the Daylight kiss in with the spinning cam? :eek: :D. That is my all time favorite Bangel kisses lol. *goes to download vid*

I agree. I never classified Willow with her sexual orientation. Only classify I do in this series is: teen years and adult years :\.

ETA: That was a faster download this time lol. Great job on editing this time. Really improved on how fast you went to one shot to the next especially on the flashes of Claddash Ring. That's one of my favorite parts of the vid. Plus wow major Bangel kissage :D lol. I was all giddy to see IWRY daylight kiss :D.

[vyperman7]

Yeah I still remember. I even remember you used it as your avitar.. LOL

It is funny because you were actually the reason I wanted to get that scene in there. The same thing with the School Hard scene in my lasy Spuffy video. Usually when I make videos, I go with like 95% of the scenes I want, and try to make people that I know happy with a few scenes here and there. I knew you would love the spinning kiss scene so I put it in. Plus, it was a really cool lead in, to the guitar section of the song, so it worked well in my opinion.


Originally posted by Summers
Your still remember that? :eek:. That was a long time ago lol. You put the Daylight kiss in with the spinning cam? :eek: :D. That is my all time favorite Bangel kisses lol. *goes to download vid*

I agree. I never classified Willow with her sexual orientation. Only classify I do in this series is: teen years and adult years :\.

ETA: That was a faster download this time lol. Great job on editing this time. Really improved on how fast you went to one shot to the next especially on the flashes of Claddash Ring. That's one of my favorite parts of the vid. Plus wow major Bangel kissage :D lol. I was all giddy to see IWRY daylight kiss :D.

Thank you!

I had a feeling you would enjoy this video. I was proud of the job I did with the ring flashbacks so I am happy you liked that part. The hardest part was the superimpose of Buffy's face with the ring dropping to let her see the ring. Also, timing the ring to hit on the crash of the song was hard. Pacing the video was frustrating because it is a slower moving song.

[Summers]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Yeah I still remember. I even remember you used it as your avitar.. LOL

It is funny because you were actually the reason I wanted to get that scene in there. The same thing with the School Hard scene in my lasy Spuffy video. Usually when I make videos, I go with like 95% of the scenes I want, and try to make people that I know happy with a few scenes here and there. I knew you would love the spinning kiss scene so I put it in. Plus, it was a really cool lead in, to the guitar section of the song, so it worked well in my opinion.

:lol: Oh yea, the animated one. I still have that avi still. One of my favorites.

I was? That's thoughtful of you :), and damn good memory lol.


I had a feeling you would enjoy this video. I was proud of the job I did with the ring flashbacks so I am happy you liked that part. The hardest part was the superimpose of Buffy's face with the ring dropping to let her see the ring. Also, timing the ring to hit on the crash of the song was hard. Pacing the video was frustrating because it is a slower moving song.

Since it was so fast on the superimposing you honestly couldn't tell there was a problem. Staind usually has slow moving songs, but the song you used seemed fast paced to me. I mean the song didn't feel slow to me while I was watching the vid.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Summers
:lol: Oh yea, the animated one. I still have that avi still. One of my favorites.

I was? That's thoughtful of you :), and damn good memory lol.



Since it was so fast on the superimposing you honestly couldn't tell there was a problem. Staind usually has slow moving songs, but the song you used seemed fast paced to me. I mean the song didn't feel slow to me while I was watching the vid.

Ah no worries Mel. You are still my favorite Buffy fan, because I have yet to meet anyone that is more knowledgeable on the subject.

Glad to hear it about the video because that means that my editing and pacing were in tandom with the song. Thanks for the compliment on the superimposes. They are a pain in the butt to do but if done the right way they come off nicely. Especially in scenes where you should have been able to see an expression like with Angel leaving after the graduation. To me, getting to see Buffy watching him leave, is much more powerful than just showing him walk away and cutting to her. The same thing with the ring dropping. To me it was much more effective to be able to show her actually seeing it happen.

Staind is such an awesome group too. I am glad that I was finally able to use the song because I have been meaning to for awhile. For me, it seemed like the perfect video to use the song for. What really did me in though was watching "I Will Remember You". That is probably still one of my favorite Angel episodes. For all time favorite Angel episodes and reasons why I love them - Appocolypse Nowish ( the bad ass fight, rain of fire), Sleep Tight (Holtz stealing Connor and Wesley with his throat slit = great cliffhangers), Hero (Doyle is my favorite Angel character and his death was very emotional), I Will Remember You (Most heartbreaking ending ever), and Reunion( Awesome to see Darla and Drusilla wreak havock).

[Summers]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Ah no worries Mel. You are still my favorite Buffy fan, because I have yet to meet anyone that is more knowledgeable on the subject.

Glad to hear it about the video because that means that my editing and pacing were in tandom with the song. Thanks for the compliment on the superimposes. They are a pain in the butt to do but if done the right way they come off nicely. Especially in scenes where you should have been able to see an expression like with Angel leaving after the graduation. To me, getting to see Buffy watching him leave, is much more powerful than just showing him walk away and cutting to her. The same thing with the ring dropping. To me it was much more effective to be able to show her actually seeing it happen.

Geez. Your going to make me blush Ryan :lol:. What I do is nothing lol :\. I bet there is someone else who knows the Buffyverse far more than me. I know I can't be the only one......

Agreed. Plus I'm always a fan of superimposing. The shot from "Graduation Day" actually reminded me of some fanartist's wallpaper coming alive instead of being still :).

[CallMeClark]

*laughs* I meant Gay Willow as just Willow. *LOL* I meant I just loved that Joss made her gay. haha.

[Summers]

Oh. Okay, that makes more sense now lol.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
Is that the next boxset your are collecting? I love the coloring of the boxsets. S2 has my favorite pretty blue :D. I watch it constantly now.

I enjoyed Willow's character no matter what her sexual orientation was lol.

Yup...since Im working now....I beable to collect them all :D. Do you know how much they are Mel?


Originally posted by vyperman7
Hey everyone.

New Video - Bangel (Buffy/Angel) Everything Changes

I cannot believe I am saying this, but I made a Bangel video :eek: John and Aqua this should make you guys happy since I know that both of you ship Buffy and Angel. I never really was that into the ship, but I have always loved the song "Everything Changes" by Staind and the song instantly made me think of everything Buffy and Angel have been through. This video covers the bad and good times of the relationship. Like any truly good shipper video, it is filled with angst. :D This video also has some effects like white flash transitions, superimposes (seeing two scenes at once), and black/white scenes.

Scenes from all the seasons, including the Angel episode "I Will Remember You" which is ironically one of my all time favorite Buffyverse episodes simply because of how heartbreaking that episode is. Even if you don't ship Bangel, that has to be one of the saddest endings I have ever seen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBcd39IgMvs


Im defintely watching Ryan! Specially since Stained is one of my favorite bands and Bangel is one of my favorite ships :D.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Yup...since Im working now....I beable to collect them all :D. Do you know how much they are Mel?

Nice :cool:. Job is always helpful. There are only three seasons, so it shouldn't be as expensive as our Whedonverse collections were. I have all three myself. Umm...they range in prices sometimes depending on the time of year. As of right now the prices at Amazon are your best bet because in the store they will be ranging from $40-50 depending on the store. Amazon has:
S1 & S3 at $34, and S2 is at $29, and the whole collection price is $112 without tax and shipping.

[CallMeClark]

Wal-Mart had a special, ALL seasons 30 dollars a piece.

[cayayofm]

Hey Ryan, I just saw the Bangel video and I have to say that is my favorite that I have seen from you. The editing was truly good in this one. I like the scenes in black and white segment, really good.

[angelfire east]

Does anyone have the Once More, With Feeling soundtrack?

[Summers]

Wal-Mart had a special, ALL seasons 30 dollars a piece.

Lucky, my local Wal-Mart sucks. Their dvd department rarely stocks dvds that I want. I never see Roswell there, but I do see a lot Buffy. I went to Target to buy my Roswell collection :\.


Originally posted by angelfire east
Does anyone have the Once More, With Feeling soundtrack?

Yea, I have it.

[CallMeClark]

*nods* I also have the soundtrack.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by cayayofm
Hey Ryan, I just saw the Bangel video and I have to say that is my favorite that I have seen from you. The editing was truly good in this one. I like the scenes in black and white segment, really good.

Wow!

Thanks for the excellent compliments man. I appreciate it. This video was tough for me to make for a few reasons. First of all, I am into Spuffy, so getting into the mindset to make a video on a couple I don't really like took me awhile. Then there was getting the right scenes, and pacing my editing with the song. I am used to doing a bit faster editing, and EverythingChanges is a slower song. I really appreciate the props on my editing as I tried to have it be smooth and flow. Very cool you liked the b/w segment too. For some reason, it just felt right to have the happy section be in b/w. Almost as if it was a looking back type of thing before the wedding.

Thanks again!

[aqua]

I'll watch the Bangel video later today, once I get my stupid computer fixed. Whenever I watch any sort of video, the internet crashes. Boo.

[Cyckness]

Huh? No "Hush"? No "Body"?!?!?!

The absense of these two episodes confuses and saddens me.:( They are both better then anything else on the list, IMO.... I guess I'll go with "Once more, with feeling":)

[CallMeClark]

Both episodes you liked envolve a lot of silence, btw. *lol* Sorry for stating the obvious.

[Summers]

True, "Hush" was silent but they conveyed through other means. They were actually communicating more when they couldn't talk. Whereas "The Body" actually had a lot of discussion. Only Act I has the less dialogue since it was just Buffy and her mother :(. I see those episodes as pure masterpieces of television history. I still see new academic and media articles discussing these episodes still :eek: :D.

[vyperman7]

I agree that Hush is a fantastic episode. But I think I may be in the minority with The Body. Everyone loves the episode. But in all honesty I can't say it was one of my favorites. It was a very emotional and well acted episode. I just had a hard time getting into it.

[Summers]

"The Body" is hard episode to watch period. Much like Roswell's "Cry Your Name" is. They are very powerful episodes to me since they are very realistic on what is it happening emotionally to these characters. Honestly, I haven't watch "The Body" in several years since it's too hard for me to watch. It's just so uttering sad, but it's also so moving. However, I'm glad Joyce and Alex weren't shafted. It showed these characters meant something even if they are minor characters. To have a whole episode on them. They weren't put as the B Plot("Vengence"), and they didn't get a quickie funeral("Reckoning"). That's one of the reasons I'm grateful for them. Their deaths were treated with respect even if they are just, in fact, characters.

But I haven't watched "The Body" in years. I just can't.

[aqua]

"The Body" is extremely difficult to get through, but that was the point. I think it's so masterful and emotional.

[cayayofm]

The Body was an episode that when I first watched I did not thougt much of it, but as the years has gone by I find myself more amazed by it everytime I watch it, definetly one of the best in episodes in TV history.

Did anyone saw this new pictures of Sarah and Freddie: http://www.slayerverse.org/
They are called Sarah and Cassidy.

Is just that Sarah looks bigger, if you know what I mean, I don't know maybe is the dress or the fact that I will find very cool if she was pregnant.

[Summers]

Originally posted by aqua
"The Body" is extremely difficult to get through, but that was the point. I think it's so masterful and emotional.

Agreed. Remember Joss said he left Joyce's eyes open just to make difficult on the audience. It was meant to be difficult. True indeed. Come on, I'm getting sad. We need a happy topic :lol:.

[CallMeClark]

Umm there was more silence than just at the beginning. When all the scoobies meet, at the hospital, etc... Even the end ends in silence in the morge. I liked it.

Interesting she is wearing black too. I dunno though I feel SMG would tell the media already if she was.

[Summers]

Originally posted by cayayofm

Did anyone saw this new pictures of Sarah and Freddie: http://www.slayerverse.org/
They are called Sarah and Cassidy.

Is just that Sarah looks bigger, if you know what I mean, I don't know maybe is the dress or the fact that I will find very cool if she was pregnant.

Isn't the Cassidy a DJ or something? Freddie looks hot :lol: :).

She said she's not, but I honestly can't tell due to her dress cut. Plus the pictures are too close. The behind the scenes pictures from her movie she is filming shows she's not showing. I think it's just the dress cut she is wearing, and the distance from the camera and her. That's what I got from it :\.


Umm there was more silence than just at the beginning. When all the scoobies meet, at the hospital, etc... Even the end ends in silence in the morge. I liked it.

Uh, I know that, but those were mere seconds though. The few seconds set the mood of somber, but the episode wasn't that silent. What made it seem quiet was because there is in fact no music involved in the episode except for the Christmas flashback. The ending had Dawn saying "where did she go", and then few seconds it cuts to black. It wasn't like "Hush" ending with Riley and Buffy where it was pure silence for longer period of time. Just a few seconds of silence in each of the last three acts doesn't necessarily mean the episode was mostly silent :\. I'll give you it is one of the less talkative episodes, but wasn't covered with pure silence though.

[aqua]

I find Sarah's smile weird in those pics. :lol: I dunno why.. Maybe because she's not showing her bottom teeth, or I can't see them. :lol:

[yellowqueen22]

Originally posted by Cyckness
Huh? No "Hush"? No "Body"?!?!?!

The absense of these two episodes confuses and saddens me.:( They are both better then anything else on the list, IMO.... I guess I'll go with "Once more, with feeling":)

I know... I know.... I knew not everyone would be happy with my choices for the list... but I was trying to get a good range of episodes... and of course, I'm gonna try to put my favs on there. Maybe the next poll can be the most groundbreaking episode of Buffy... cause both of those would be on that list!!!


Originally posted by angelfire east
Does anyone have the Once More, With Feeling soundtrack?

YUP!!!


Originally posted by vyperman7
I agree that Hush is a fantastic episode. But I think I may be in the minority with The Body. Everyone loves the episode. But in all honesty I can't say it was one of my favorites. It was a very emotional and well acted episode. I just had a hard time getting into it.

The Body really gets to me... it aired only a very short time after one of the students I was working with had his mother die in his arms. I knew his mother very well and worked with her on a number of charity events. And I had been working with this student for over 4 years (he was at that point 16yrs old). So everytime I watch the episode... I'm reminded of him & his mother... very sad, but a good reminder.

Ryan - I am dying... looking forward with extreme anticipation... very eager (you get the drift)... to watching your BTVS/Angel vids. Only a week and a half to go, then the Bar exam will hopefully be out of my life forever, and I'll have time to watch them. As soon as I do, I'll give you some feedback.

[vyperman7]

Wow Jen! It is so cool that you are looking forward to my vids that much. I knew that you enjoyed my work, and I was hoping that you would want to see by BTVS vids. But I had no idea how much. You are a sweetie :)

I sent you downloadable links to all three that I have done, so that you can see the vids in HQ, instead of on Youtube.

[SheBangs]

I just wanted to drop in and ask if anyone was interested in watching a Spuffy video I made. It's set to Evanescence's Bring Me To Life. Contact me by PM if you would like a link to it.

[vyperman7]

Spuffy Bring Me to Life

JR first of all I want to say what a great song choice. I never really thought of this song as a Spuffy song. However, when I actually took the time to listen to the lyrics, I could not believe how well the song actually fits the two of them. So great song choice.

- Loved the very start of the video. Great scenes and you set them to the beat nicely. I especially liked the scene choice of Buffy and Spike staring at each other in the bar @ 3 seconds in. Can you tell me what episode that scene is from? I honestly don't remember what episode that is from.

- Really loved the sequencing on the scenes from Touched @ 8-10 seconds in. It was kick ass how you went from Spike on his knees and Buffy's teary face to them coming together on the bed. It was an especially nice touch how you did it on beat. This was one of my favorite parts of the video. I just also have to say that SMG always looks so incredibly beautiful when she is crying or teary eyed. Every scene that I have seen her in where she is crying or about to cry, always has her looking incredibly beautiful.

- Excellent scene selection for the first line of the song of How can you see into my eyes like open doors. Loved all your scene choices there.

- Liked the scene from Afterlife of Spike walking up to the sun and not being able to leave. I do think that you could have shown a reaction from Buffy there though because it was like 4 seconds in duration. So great idea using that scene as I rarely see it used in Spuffy vids. I was just really hoping for a Buffy reaction shot there.

- Great editing on the scene from Beneath You with the cross. One of the best Spuffy scenes ever and I loved the back and forth editing there.

- Still digging the glass shattering flashback sequence. I especially loved how you had him smash the glass right on "home" leading into the chorus.

- The Smashed sex scene is my favorite Spuffy scene of the show because of how intense it was, and because of how it was shot. I loved seeing it in your video, especially when the chorus kicked in. I do think it may have run a tad bit long though however because you had it go for the whole first chorus. It might have been cool to work in some b/w flashbacks or intercut it with other scenes maybe to break it up a little bit.

* However I LOVED, and let me repeat LOVED that you showed Buffy's "Oh my god" expression from the day after right when the song said "From the nothing I've become". That was so clutch and probably my favorite part of the video. Plus, SMG looks so sexy in that scene.

- Another part I absolutely loved was how you showed Buffy looking at Spike's lighter and flashing back on moments with Spike. That was particularly inspired in my opinion. That made me proud because one of my favorite things to do in shipper vids especially is flashback sequences. I thought that one was particularly good.

- Bad ass lyrical match for "Breathe into me" @ 1:26.

- Really nice beat matching starting @ 1:35 and ending with Spike in the alley was awesome.

- Great intercutting with Spike seeing Buffy dead and his death in Chosen.

- Now you did the same thing in this video as your last Spuffy video where you had Buffy throw her head back in tune with the song which I loved, but you cut it off just a bit too early.

- Great scene to end on with the camera panning down on Spike/Buffy looking into each other's eyes.

Overall an excellent Spuffy video dude. I totally loved it. Scene selection wise you were golden and editing wise you were solid as well. I do have to admit though. There was one scene I didn't feel like it fit. The scene from Something Blue where you show Spike in the tub in chains. That just felt out of place to me. But the rest of the scenes were dead on man.

Thumbs up!

[Summers]

Whoa, Aly has brown hair now :eek:.
www.slayerverse.org (man, this format sucks. We can't copy and paste exact links to the news story grrrrr.)

[CallMeClark]

YOu have you right click and open in new window: http://slayerverse.org/sv2/index.php?comments=34855

I was just watching the S5 specials and had no idea that Joss was inspiried to do "The Body" by his experience. Tis sad. :(

[Summers]

That's the funky thing. I tried that, and I still received "slayerverse.org" as the url. The url didn't change which is weird since it's suppose to :(.

[CallMeClark]

That is odd. Mine did...

[Summers]

Hence the weird lol :\.

[aqua]

Alyson with dark hair! Too many bad memories of Dark Willow!

[Summers]

Ah, only in the eye of the beholder :lol:.

[aqua]

:lol: ;)

Still, I don't like it. She looks gorgeous either way, but I associated red hair with her and loved it on her.

[Summers]

What I had to say it :lol:.

Personally, I think it's too dark. A more like light brunette color might suit her a little better.

[CallMeClark]

She does look cute either way. I rather like the brown. Wonder if it is for a role? They should be filming HIMYM soon.

[Summers]

Eh....not loving dark brunette Aly. Makes her skin look too pale. To each their own though :). The shows are starting to film now, but some do take a break for the TCAs every year. It's part of the promotion of a show that is most definitely required by all the networks.

[CallMeClark]

Quick Buffy question. Why when Buffy died in S5 was there not another slayer chosen? Was it because they already had Faith?

And. Did Buffy "actually" die in the episode "Villians?"

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
Nice :cool:. Job is always helpful. There are only three seasons, so it shouldn't be as expensive as our Whedonverse collections were. I have all three myself. Umm...they range in prices sometimes depending on the time of year. As of right now the prices at Amazon are your best bet because in the store they will be ranging from $40-50 depending on the store. Amazon has:
S1 & S3 at $34, and S2 is at $29, and the whole collection price is $112 without tax and shipping.

Thanks for the info Mel :D.


Originally posted by Summers
Whoa, Aly has brown hair now :eek:.
www.slayerverse.org (man, this format sucks. We can't copy and paste exact links to the news story grrrrr.)

Whoa! Way new look lol :D. She still beautiful though :D.


Originally posted by aqua
:lol: ;)

Still, I don't like it. She looks gorgeous either way, but I associated red hair with her and loved it on her.

Same here, I prefer the red hair for her...but either way she still beautiful :D.

[Summers]

Quick Buffy question. Why when Buffy died in S5 was there not another slayer chosen? Was it because they already had Faith?

And. Did Buffy "actually" die in the episode "Villians?"

The Slayer lineage no longer passed through Buffy anymore. For another slayer to be called Faith would have to die. Buffy died in "Prophecy Girl", and her death called Kendra. Then so forth. The slayer line only passes threw once in an individual slayer. Hence slayers having a high mortality rate. Buffy is the first slayer to come back alive ever. Like Giles said with Kendra's arrival two slayers at the same time never happened before until Buffy. It puts great emphasis why Buffy's friends hold an importance. I remember during the summer prior to S6 Joss actually released a press release of this to remind people. It was even in my local newspaper's entertainment section lol.

Yup she did. When Dark Willow comes in, and prior to her healing Buffy you will see and hear Buffy flatline. You will hear the flatline more than anything in that quick scene though. Buffy did die in "Villains", but compared to her previous deaths it was a quickie one :lol:. Technically Buffy died three times in her life already.

[aqua]

Buffy dying three times kind of ruined the novelty of it. The first one was the saddest, IMO, and I felt it really fit into the episode. The second one was "epic," but it didn't fit in for me. How does Buffy in the portal stop Dawn's blood from flowing, since she is the real key? It was just too "umm.. what?" for me.

Then Buffy dying in "Villains" was just there as a cheap way to show Willow's power. Unlike the other two, nothing really special happened after it, or Buffy didn't grow or change, so it was just another situation where I was mad at Marti Noxon. :lol:

[Summers]

Aren't you a happy little beaver these days :p :lol:. Turn that frown :( upside down :).

Didn't bug me, and I'm a good nitpicker myself. Slayers are suppose to have a high mortality rate :\.

[CallMeClark]

She nevered stoped Dawn's blood from flowing. She stopped the blood from flowing. She and Dawn mixed their blood in one episode. S5's death was the saddest, for me. But Seeing Red/Villians was a sad episode all around.

[Summers]

Buffy and Dawn share the same blood. Buffy said in "The Gift" she is made out of her. Due to the Monks' magics. That's exactly what Dawn is human-blood wise. Hence Spike's line about blood being life. There was no mixing. The reason why the blood stopped flowing is because Buffy replaced Dawn in the portal. It's the same blood, but the vessel(per sa) is different.

[aqua]

Originally posted by Summers
Aren't you a happy little beaver these days :p :lol:. Turn that frown :( upside down :).

Didn't bug me, and I'm a good nitpicker myself. Slayers are suppose to have a high mortality rate :\.

:rotfl: Yes, my mood seems to be dwindling to depression and despair. :lol:

I wouldn't have minded if it was.. I dunno- a good death? :lol: I really can't explain it. In "Prophecy Girl," her death made a new slayer and such, and also resulted in a kind of change. In "The Gift," well.. she was kind of bleh through season six because of it, and even though I didn't like it, the death amounted to something.

In "Villains," it was just kind of "Haha, Buffy died again, but she's back! .. Again!"

[cayayofm]

A lot of people thinks that Buffy died in Villains. I think it was very clear that she did not, right before Willow arrives at the hospital she is alive, just unconcious. Also in Selfless Willow said that she did not had the power to bring people to live when she had all that power in Villains/Two to Go/Grave.

[Summers]

Originally posted by aqua
:rotfl: Yes, my mood seems to be dwindling to depression and despair. :lol:

Summer time blues huh :lol:.


Originally posted by cayayofm
A lot of people thinks that Buffy died in Villains. I think it was very clear that she did not, right before Willow arrives at the hospital she is alive, just unconcious. Also in Selfless Willow said that she did not had the power to bring people to live when she had all that power in Villains/Two to Go/Grave.

And yet Buffy clearly flatlines in "Villains" lol. The monitors show it, and we hear her flatline. There is a steady beep, but then goes faster and then flatlines. Even the transripts write it as such. "Selfless" to me is one of those infamous S7 continuity flub :\.

[CallMeClark]

Originally posted by aqua
In "Villains," it was just kind of "Haha, Buffy died again, but she's back! .. Again!"
Wow... I, in no means, found it funny. Those last three episodes were some of the most emotional ones thus far.


As for "Selfless," it is one of my favorite S7 episodes. :)

[Summers]

As for "Selfless," it is one of my favorite S7 episodes.

Uh, I didn't mean the episode was a flub. I meant Willow's power continuity within that episode a flub lol.

[angelfire east]

I think Buffy got a really good death in The Gift, it was big, moving and just felt right, plus she got to say good bye to one of the characters. It felt like a good death for a slayer:D

[Summers]

I agree. I was fine with all of her deaths because of how different they were, and to me I was very moved by them. I loved they filmed Buffy being shot, or jumping through the portal. I thought they were well done, and very emotional. At least for me lol.

[angelfire east]

Agreed. Buffy being Shot was very well done too. Both very emotional.

Did anyone see in the EW mag Willow was on the best side kick list:D

[Summers]

I vaguely remember reading it on slayerverse. What number was she again? 17? :confused:.

[CallMeClark]

I love how the blood starts to soak through all of a sudden.

Did it bother anyone else that all of a sudden they started making Xander Buffy's "go-to" boy. All of sudden in S6 it was like we were suppose to assume they had this immense bond, far greater than anyone else in the group. When in S1-S5 we only saw shifts of it.

(Yes, I saw that list. Pff. No Chloe. Jimmy made it, however)

Anyone know where I can find that Tabula Rasa icon of all them screaming? LOL> I want it so bad right now.

[Summers]

I love how the blood starts to soak through all of a sudden.

Did it bother anyone else that all of a sudden they started making Xander Buffy's "go-to" boy. All of sudden in S6 it was like we were suppose to assume they had this immense bond, far greater than anyone else in the group. When in S1-S5 we only saw shifts of it.

I more like she is just laying there, and as if time is still for those couple of minutes to her. Even her blinking her eyes are slow.

Assume what? They did have a immense bond lol. To me the Trio(Willow, Buffy, and Xander) had this immense bond since S1. It just gotten stronger over the years due to their experiences, and growing up together. Heck, S4 shows many bondfull moments between the two ;). Plus even Tara mentions this intense bond the core Scoobies have in "Real Me" ;). It's always been there to me. It wasn't out of the blue or anything. We saw many bond moments with those two for the past five years prior to S6. They lead up to it perfectly. Honestly it wasn't new to me. It's one of things I adore about the Scoobies especially Xander/Buffy. Hence no bother.

LJs should have plenty of those.

[CallMeClark]

I agree the trio did, but I just didn't like how she confided more in him than the others. Or more so they were closer in a sense. It just seemed weird, IMO in S6/S7.

Then again I think Willow was closer with Xander and the same with Buffy.

[Summers]

I don't see it as weird. Xander is her friend. She confided to Tara the most in S6. It wasn't until S7 where Buffy confided in him the most next to S4. To me the Trio represented frienship very well. You confide to the people depending on what is happening, or who it involves. You need that different perspective. I don't compare confidence, or advise. To me the most important thing is that you have someone to confide into, and listen when you are in trouble. As long as someone is there is the important thing, and the Scoobies had each other. That's what the Trio did. So I wasn't phase by it :\. I cherished it.

[angelfire east]

Xander and Buffy had a immense bond as far as I'm consined(sp)

[aqua]

Originally posted by CallMeClark
Wow... I, in no means, found it funny. Those last three episodes were some of the most emotional ones thus far.


I iddn't mean her dying was funny. I meant the writers were pulling a trick on us. "She's alive, she's dead, she's alive, she's dead."

I found those three episodes funny, but mostly because I thought they were a joke. :lol:

And, yes, Mel, what you said last page. Summer blues! :lol:

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Xander and Buffy had a immense bond as far as I'm consined(sp)

Speaking of Buffy and Xander...

Did anyone else ever root for them becoming an item? I knew there was never any possibility of it. But I still rooted for it in the first few seasons. :D

[cayayofm]

CallMeClark I think that definetly Buffy and Xander are closer in season 7. Going back into the seasons I have noticed that they were always closer than I thought. However, Willow was her person to go to in the earlier seasons, for various reasons. In the first 3 seasons Xander did not liked Angel so everything that had to do with him she went to Willow, eventually that changed slighty as the seasons went by. First Willow goes gay, this is a huge change in her that Buffy and Xander have to adapt and accept now. After Willow brought Buffy back from the death I always has thought that subconciously she resented Willow. I mean Buffy was torn out from heaven by her best friend, and later that season Willow went on a killing spread to the point of challenging Buffy to a fight, their relationship is forever altered. Willow later goes away for the whole summer leaving Xander and Buffy a lot of together time, they grew closer by that experiences and Buffy turns to Xander when she has to.

I never wanted Buffy to get with Xander, I just don't.

[Summers]

Originally posted by aqua

And, yes, Mel, what you said last page. Summer blues! :lol:

Poor Andy lol.



Did anyone else ever root for them becoming an item? I knew there was never any possibility of it. But I still rooted for it in the first few seasons.

At the time twice. Once in S1, and first few episodes in S7. I know Sarah and Nicky asked Joss if Buffy and Xander could become an item in the last season since they really liked. Joss of course turned them down. Though now that I think about I'm glad the Trio just stayed friends at the end. Not to go majorly like Dawson's Creek, or angst-ville :\. *shrugs*

[aqua]

I would have liked a Xander/Buffy relationship in the last season. It would have been a lot different from Angel/Riley/Spike since they actually built a friendship before jumping into a relationship. Plus, I think it would have been nice to have the "ordinary guy" in the midst of the superdudes to finally come out on top. I dunno how long it would last, or if it would last to the end.. but it would have been a lot different.

[angelfire east]

At times I rooted for a Xander and Buffy relaionship and at times I didn't. It depends on my mood and the episode (season) I watch.

[CallMeClark]

Well put, Cay! I get it.

Eww... Xander/Buffy. Never. All Xander's pairings have been perfect (Cordy and Anya). He and Buffy are too good of friends and I couldn't see them happening romantically.

And I do not think it would have worked in S7. Spike had just got his soul back, he and Buffy were at odds with their feelings and this Big Bad was the worst yet. I doubt she would have time for a boyfriend. With Willow gone she needed a friend not a boyfriend. Not to mention Anya and Xander were at a weird spot as well.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Summers
Poor Andy lol.



At the time twice. Once in S1, and first few episodes in S7. I know Sarah and Nicky asked Joss if Buffy and Xander could become an item in the last season since they really liked. Joss of course turned them down. Though now that I think about I'm glad the Trio just stayed friends at the end. Not to go majorly like Dawson's Creek, or angst-ville :\. *shrugs*

I don't know how I would have felt about seeing Buffy and Xander in a relationship in the very last season. Too much time had passed on the show establishing that they were just friends. To me, the Xander/Buffy pairing would have seemed better earlier on in the show.

Dawson's Creek is a good show :)

I never saw it while it was on the WB, but I got hooked on re-runs when it first started airing on TBS. By sheer coincedence, I was channel flipping and caught the Pilot.


Originally posted by CallMeClark
Well put, Cay! I get it.

Eww... Xander/Buffy. Never. All Xander's pairings have been perfect (Cordy and Anya). He and Buffy are too good of friends and I couldn't see them happening romantically.

And I do not think it would have worked in S7. Spike had just got his soul back, he and Buffy were at odds with their feelings and this Big Bad was the worst yet. I doubt she would have time for a boyfriend. With Willow gone she needed a friend not a boyfriend. Not to mention Anya and Xander were at a weird spot as well.

I agree with you about S7. It would have not have fit in with the storyline of Spike getting his soul. Like I said previously, it also would have had too much time pass establishing they were just friends. I also agree that Cordy and Anya were perfect pairings for Xander. It was kind of cool to see Xander and Willow have their little stint in S3 though.

But I did want Buffy/Xander to happen early on in the show even though I knew it was never a possibility. I always have a tendency to root for the underdog in terms of getting the girl.

[Summers]

Originally posted by vyperman7
I don't know how I would have felt about seeing Buffy and Xander in a relationship in the very last season. Too much time had passed on the show establishing that they were just friends. To me, the Xander/Buffy pairing would have seemed better earlier on in the show.

Dawson's Creek is a good show :)

I never saw it while it was on the WB, but I got hooked on re-runs when it first started airing on TBS. By sheer coincedence, I was channel flipping and caught the Pilot

Eh...I don't think so. In the early episodes of S7 it was just Xander and Buffy, and I could see the pairing. So did Sarah and Nicky enough for them to ask Joss :\. Besides people wanted Angel/Buffy romance in the early seasons. That was a big ratings pull, and I don't see Joss nor the WB would jeopardize it with Xander/Buffy :\. It was too crucial to their survival in the first three seasons, and at the time BtVS was giving WB some actual profit revenue. There is no way they could fit it in there due to the outside variable of money and allenating fans which actually later happened when Angel went to his own show.

It was until it became Joey's Creek :p :rolleyes:. It was fine the first two seasons(I loved Jason Behr's arc and Jack's arc), and to me it went down the drain. The series finale was really good, but other than that I don't want to see a show revolve around Joey Potter and give the main character Dawson the B Plot storylines. To the extent they nearly ruined Dawson Leary's character, but by some miracle he was salavage by the time we get to the series finale. By time we get to the end nearly everyone dated someone or slept with someone in the group. Plus the Joey/Dawson/Pacey triangle went on for seasons. It was annoying as hell to me :lol:. It's up there with Clana :\. To me it goes downhill really fast until you get to the series finale. It's just after awhile everything just bugged specficially Joey Potter. To each their own though.

[aqua]

Originally posted by CallMeClark
Well put, Cay! I get it.

Eww... Xander/Buffy. Never. All Xander's pairings have been perfect (Cordy and Anya). He and Buffy are too good of friends and I couldn't see them happening romantically.

And I do not think it would have worked in S7. Spike had just got his soul back, he and Buffy were at odds with their feelings and this Big Bad was the worst yet. I doubt she would have time for a boyfriend. With Willow gone she needed a friend not a boyfriend. Not to mention Anya and Xander were at a weird spot as well.

I hated Spuffy in season seven mostly because it was "We can't be together" and Buffy saying "He's changed.. he has a soul!" to every single person she meets. It was annoying and blah to me.

Despite the Big Bad being the worst yet- I didn't really feel it and it didn't come up on the show for me. I felt a lot of potential scenes could have been about the Buffy/Xander relationship and nothing would have changed in their storyline, other than less annoying whining from them.

[angelfire east]

I think Buffy telling everyone he had changed was a bit of a must. He was evil, a big bad evil and he almost rapped Buffy last time he was around. If she didn't tell them people would get a little slake happy if you know what I mean. And the new people hear fromt he others who badSpike was, they might want to kill him just incase.

I loved the season 7 big bad. I loved how it maniclate everyone, I loved how it turned into so many other characters. There where a few peoblems but over all I liked it.

[Summers]

Okay, here's my thing on this whole shipper business no matter if it's in a book, film, or tv show. I would completely understand if anyone would want to skip this post because you all know I'm a good babbler. I can talk basically non-stop. As my father would say I'm the stereotypical Southern Californian girl :lol:. So here's my thoughts on it.

Number One-One of the biggest reasons ships are heated discussions because chemistry and liking characters is a subjective thing. Some of us see it and like while others don't. It doesn't mean it's not there, or it's there. However, there are instances in tv shows they will straightout tell there is a bond that is romantic or friendship. For an example, BtVS did this many times talking about romantic and friendship. So as Roswell and Grey's Anatomy. However, it doesn't mean even though they said it makes it true unless there is very credible evidence to support it. The shows I mentioned there was credible evidence to support it since they did show it to us not tell it to us like Smallville tends to do. Talking about ships most of the time it's the eye of the beholder. Much like saying which season someone liked, or Big Bad. Some things do fall on the lines of being subjective to a degree, but seasons and Big Bads are far easier to debate on to a degree.

Number Two-It's a show by show basis. I'm guilty of generalizing things, but after thinking about some things can't be generalized. So basically I'm kinda retracting my previous post earlier today. Some shows do things better than others. What it all comes down is writing and execution. Of course talking about ships of any kind that intertwines with Number One above.

Now I loved shows that can hook everyone up without making it stale as long as the show doesn't lose focus, and the character's grow individually and mature. To me Dawson's Creek is a prime example of a show losing it's focus due to ships crazy triangle of Dawson/Joey/Pacey. There was too much angst, and it continued on for a long time. Not to mention no one really matured out the situation. Another show that hooked people up was 90210, and the show never lost focus until the post-college years. Plus they kicked things up a notch by adding Valerie Malone into the mix to go aganist Kelly Taylor. I thought they did a better job at executing the group hooking up.

There are other shows that I enjoy that had the characters just stay friends. They do not have the group hook up literally, but rather toyed with. In the end some characters are better off friends while others are bound to be hooked up. Just not the whole entire group. Both Roswell, Buffy, and Grey's Anatomy have done this. Furthermore they never lost focus of their shows, and they matured the characters greatly. They matured, opened up more, and grew as people. On Smallville the mythology is greatly scarificed due to the ships involved, and there is very little progression of the individual characters. They do not grow as people. To sum it up it's all about the writing and execution, and how it pans out for the show. Of course this again is all subjective since it deals with ships.

Number Three-Now in S7 they had room to fit in ships despite the chaotic of the major Big Bad The First. They still gave Buffy Principal Wood and Spike, so it's not like she wasn't solo entirely. They still gave her a romance, but they just made her celibate for that season :lol:. If Xander/Buffy hooked up I wouldn't mind. Friends at times do become romantically involved when you least expect it. I'm an example of that myself lol. Since Xander/Buffy didn't hooked up I don't mind either since I thought they have an endearing friendship.

Is this an objective assessement? No way :lol:. It's wickedly biased just like all ship talk is lol. I have my blinders on for sure :lol:. This is why I try to stay away from ship talk since it's so downright subjective, but it's like The Godfather. You think you are finally out, but it always pulls you back it :lol:. Sorry in advance for a boring post lol.

[angelfire east]

That's not a boring post Mel ^ :lol: I agree with # 1 and #2 competely.:)

The Joey/Dawson/Pacey triangle is one of the worst triangles out there. I still have unhappy feelings just thinking about it. I don't think Katie Homles is a great actress so that does help with me liking Dawson's Creek. And the college arc was just bad.

I'm a anit-fan when it comes to Dawson's Creek

[Summers]

Really? :) I thought it would be a bore :lol:.

I continued to watch DC just for Jack. I loved that guy :).

[angelfire east]

Nope no worrys there:)

I liked Jack but not enough to keep watching. I turned it on every now and then.

Mel I PMed you a question.:)

[Summers]

Poor guy was barely there in college years :(. His friendship with Jen I cherished a lot. Just like Xander/Buffy, Kyle/Isabel(Roswell), and Alex/Meredith & Izzie/George(Grey's Anatomy...though there seems to be inkling it could be more with these two :) lol ).

Alright. Received ;).

ETA: btw, Becki love the new avatar. Just makes you want to smile :D :lol:.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Speaking of Buffy and Xander...

Did anyone else ever root for them becoming an item? I knew there was never any possibility of it. But I still rooted for it in the first few seasons. :D

The first half of season 1, I pretty much wanted them to get together....and as there friendship started to grow, I didn't want them to. I always loved that triangle of friendship...Buffy, Willow, Xander....

[aqua]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I think Buffy telling everyone he had changed was a bit of a must. He was evil, a big bad evil and he almost rapped Buffy last time he was around. If she didn't tell them people would get a little slake happy if you know what I mean. And the new people hear fromt he others who badSpike was, they might want to kill him just incase.

Spike hadn't been bad since season three. Season four/five/six he had the chip in his head and turned into Buffy's lapdog.

[Summers]

Want some sour to go with your grapes today Andy :lol:.....j/k ;).

Really, disagree there. I know you hate Spike, but uh, "The Yoko Factor'", "Seeing Red', "Crush", and etc. Spike was an unpredictable variable much like Lindsey was on Angel. Still doesn't erase the fact no one trusted him. That's the point. He still couldn't be trusted, and what he done during those sesaons gave the Scoobies and Potentials more reason to. Buffy was the only person in S7 that was giving him the benefit of the doubt. No one else was.

Being bad is a relative term. If you mean Spike wasn't physically dangerous to anyone, then yes you are right up until S6-S7. However, Spike was considered dangerous since he had connections and he is selfishly motivated. He wasn't one to be trusted according to the Scoobies. Besides nearly every choice Spike made was Spike's decision. Buffy told him three things to do in the entire series: protect Dawn("The Gift"), be her champion("Chosen"), and not to leave in "First Date". That's it. Everything else she knew nothing about until after the fact. Until after Spike's decision was made. She didn't know. It was all Spike's choices. He is labeled afterall a Fool For Love for a reason. It's not out of character for any of things he did. His decisions matched the emotional and mental state he was in, and those decisions gradually happened. They weren't out of the blue. Now SV Clark is what you call a lapdog to a woman. Anakin Skywalker is what you call lapdog(though unintentional by Padme). Conner to Evil Cordy is considered a lapdog. Anytime it's Spuffy vs. Bangel both sides call both Angel and Spike Buffy's lapdog. Good grief it's really bad twinkie defense on either side :\. It's almost used as a pot shot to the other side :\.

But whatever floats your boat float it lol ;).

[CallMeClark]

I would have completely hated S7 if Xander/Buffy would have became a couple. I think it would have ruined the dynamic if S7. For one, Anya and Xander were still in love with each other. He was not going to all of suddent fall for his best friend, again. He had issue with Anya and what happened (See: "Selfless")

I also agree with #1 and #2, Mel.

[Summers]

So it wasn't a boring post then.....I thought it would be totally boring for anyone to read it lol :\.

[vyperman7]

I was curious about something.

Is there anyone who liked the BTVS movie with Kristi Swanson in it? I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts were on the movie that spaked the series that we all love.

The funny thing is that I saw it in the theater way back when it came out. As hard as it was to take the movie seriously back then, it is even harder after watching the series. But I suppose the movie did have its charm. :D

So what is everyone's take on the movie?


Originally posted by Summers
Eh...I don't think so. In the early episodes of S7 it was just Xander and Buffy, and I could see the pairing. So did Sarah and Nicky enough for them to ask Joss :\. Besides people wanted Angel/Buffy romance in the early seasons. That was a big ratings pull, and I don't see Joss nor the WB would jeopardize it with Xander/Buffy :\. It was too crucial to their survival in the first three seasons, and at the time BtVS was giving WB some actual profit revenue. There is no way they could fit it in there due to the outside variable of money and allenating fans which actually later happened when Angel went to his own show.

It was until it became Joey's Creek :p :rolleyes:. It was fine the first two seasons(I loved Jason Behr's arc and Jack's arc), and to me it went down the drain. The series finale was really good, but other than that I don't want to see a show revolve around Joey Potter and give the main character Dawson the B Plot storylines. To the extent they nearly ruined Dawson Leary's character, but by some miracle he was salavage by the time we get to the series finale. By time we get to the end nearly everyone dated someone or slept with someone in the group. Plus the Joey/Dawson/Pacey triangle went on for seasons. It was annoying as hell to me :lol:. It's up there with Clana :\. To me it goes downhill really fast until you get to the series finale. It's just after awhile everything just bugged specficially Joey Potter. To each their own though.

I agree that there was no chance of the XB ship happening in the earlier seasons. I just would have been able to accept it more back then, then in S7. For me too much time would have passed seeing the two of them as friends, whereas in the earlier seasons they wouldn't of known each other as long. As I said previously, I am just a sucker for underdogs. I suppose that is why Xander has always been one of my favorite characters after Spike and Buffy.

I also agree with you Mel on the first two seasons of DC being the best. The first season will always be my favorite. I connected with Dawson because I am a film buff, and I loved the angle with Pacey sleeping with his teacher. Pacey was always my favorite character.

I don't know if I would necessarily refer to the show as "Joey's Creek" that early in the show's run though. I agree that Joey became more of a focus than Dawson later on in the show. But the show pretty much kept the same dynamic until the show reached college, which is when the show went downhill for me. But I do agree that the infamous Dawson/Pacey/Joey triangle was stretched on for too long. I was actually a bit bummed to see Joey end up with Pacey though. Even though he was my favorite character, Joey always seemed like more of a natural fit for Dawson.

I loved JB's character in season two by the way. It was funny to go from seeing him as Max Evans, into a cocky ladies man type of character.

[aqua]

Originally posted by Summers
Want some sour to go with your grapes today Andy :lol:.....j/k ;).

Really, disagree there. I know you hate Spike, but uh, "The Yoko Factor'", "Seeing Red', "Crush", and etc. Spike was an unpredictable variable much like Lindsey was on Angel. Still doesn't erase the fact no one trusted him. That's the point. He still couldn't be trusted, and what he done during those sesaons gave the Scoobies and Potentials more reason to. Buffy was the only person in S7 that was giving him the benefit of the doubt. No one else was.

Being bad is a relative term. If you mean Spike wasn't physically dangerous to anyone, then yes you are right up until S6-S7. However, Spike was considered dangerous since he had connections and he is selfishly motivated. He wasn't one to be trusted according to the Scoobies. Besides nearly every choice Spike made was Spike's decision. Buffy told him three things to do in the entire series: protect Dawn("The Gift"), be her champion("Chosen"), and not to leave in "First Date". That's it. Everything else she knew nothing about until after the fact. Until after Spike's decision was made. She didn't know. It was all Spike's choices. He is labeled afterall a Fool For Love for a reason. It's not out of character for any of things he did. His decisions matched the emotional and mental state he was in, and those decisions gradually happened. They weren't out of the blue. Now SV Clark is what you call a lapdog to a woman. Anakin Skywalker is what you call lapdog(though unintentional by Padme). Conner to Evil Cordy is considered a lapdog. Anytime it's Spuffy vs. Bangel both sides call both Angel and Spike Buffy's lapdog. Good grief it's really bad twinkie defense on either side :\. It's almost used as a pot shot to the other side :\.

But whatever floats your boat float it lol ;).

:lol:

If Spike couldn't be trusted, why was he babysitting Dawn?f they thought he was a threat and so unpredictable, why would they leave her in the hands of a "soulless thing?" That completely ruined the thought in me that Spike was evil or bad in anyway, shape, or form, at least when Buffy was concerned. He was willing to change for her (Crush), and that was when he didn't have a soul.

I call that lapdog. :lol: But, again, we agree to disagree.

Oh, and Ryan, I'll watch your vid tonight and give my thoughts when my video works without frying my computer.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by aqua
Oh, and Ryan, I'll watch your vid tonight and give my thoughts when my video works without frying my computer.

No worries dude.

I just wanted to be sure that you got the link. Sorry to hear about your computer problems.. :(

[CallMeClark]

I actually didn't mind the movie. I mean yes, it was corny at times, but it was suppose to be a Dramody. I like the "training" scessions with her watcher. Doesn't he get killed though?

[Summers]

Originally posted by aqua

If Spike couldn't be trusted, why was he babysitting Dawn?f they thought he was a threat and so unpredictable, why would they leave her in the hands of a "soulless thing?" That completely ruined the thought in me that Spike was evil or bad in anyway, shape, or form, at least when Buffy was concerned. He was willing to change for her (Crush), and that was when he didn't have a soul.

I call that lapdog. :lol: But, again, we agree to disagree.


Enemy of my enemy is my friend ;). Not to mention at the time Spike wasn't mentally dangerous either especially to Dawn, and desperation was high on the Scoobies. It depends on the context of the timeline we are talking about. He was an unwilling alley from both sides from the spectrum. It's a common tactic used in many stories from comics books to Shakespeare. It's not uncommon really. Um, in "Crush" he chained Buffy up after he electrocuted her :lol:. That wasn't changed. That's him tying Buffy up until she gave into the possiblity of something. That's just completely mental. It's one of the reasons Giles and the Scoobies were so pissed at Spike. As they should be. His emotions get the best of him, and acts completey out of wack. He's very unpredictable due to his emotions. That's how he becomes a dangerous figure. He changed for her in "Two To Go"/"Villains" not in "Crush"(that's the episode Buffy found out about Spike liking her). Plus hello "Fool For Love" it matched his character personality :lol:. It's nothing new lol. At first he thought(they alluded as well) it was for, but as time went by we actually discover later in BtVS S7 and Angel S5 learn it was more for his journey than for her. She was just part of the reason why he changed. Buffy was an influence on his journey in the same manner she was on Angel's journey.

I know you don't like Spike, so I'm leaving this discussion as agree to disagree. Whatever floats your boat lol.

The movie was alright since it does have the standard BtVS comedy. "Oh yea...clap". Paul Rubin was very funny especially with his improv dying scene. The Watcher Merrick and Buffy dyamnic I liked, and Luke Perry was damn hot as Pike especially for the dance. But other than that really didn't thrill me. It was eh to me lol.


Doesn't he get killed though?

Yes, Merrick died protecting Buffy from the head master in L.A. We do see this Merrick on BtVS in "Becoming Pt.1" at Hemery High.

Buffy Season 8

Buffy Season 8 the Comic Book is coming out really soon! We have the details for everyone!

From comics she was born, and to comics she shall return: Buffy the Vampire Slayer’s post-cancellation adventures will soon begin anew — penned by Joss Whedon himself — in the pages of Dark Horse Comics. Here’s an exclusive cover image (by artist Georges Jeanty) from issue No. 1. As you can see, she’s kept in shape during her hiatus. (Dark Horse will debut No. 1 at Comic-Con this week.)

This isn’t Buffy’s first foray into comics. And it remains to be seen if it ranks anywhere near Joss Whedon’s best foray into comics: the all-too-brief "future slayer" saga Fray, which follows the dystopic advetures of Buffster’s 24th-century successor. (Some will persuasively argue that this is Joss’ best comics effort. I will counter with a spin move and the old axe-to-the-head. So watch it.)

So what’s going on in the extended Buffyverse? Well, you may recall the show ended with the creation of an army of Slayers. Now they’re organized, and the tide has turned in favor of the good guys. Ah, but you know how much Whedon hates winners: Soon an "old enemy" surfaces (Dark Horse is cagey on Big Bad’s identity), and Dawn starts "experiencing serious growing pains." I hope that means the Scoobies will be fighting a mutant, undead Alan Thicke.
source: Entertainment Weekly online

Link to the cover art:
http://slayerverse.org/sv2/index.php?comments=34927
Hey, it work :lol: *does Snoopy dance*. Buffy did keep her training. She worked on her abs lol. I love the coloring of the cover art. Plus she has the Slayer Scythe :D.

What does Dawn's "growing pains" mean? Unless Joss is retracting his statement on keeping Dawn powerless(which many speculated would happen in the expanded universe), it could be a reaction to her being a The Key....hmmm, or Dawn is becoming more sexual many are speculating. Intriguing. I wish October would come already.

[hjkuzcotopia]

Originally posted by vyperman7
[B]I was curious about something.

Is there anyone who liked the BTVS movie with Kristi Swanson in it? I was just wondering what everyone's thoughts were on the movie that spaked the series that we all love.

The funny thing is that I saw it in the theater way back when it came out. As hard as it was to take the movie seriously back then, it is even harder after watching the series. But I suppose the movie did have its charm. :D

So what is everyone's take on the movie?

I liked the movie when I saw it, I think I was like 12. I was really into 90210, so I went because Luke Perry was in it. Now it seems corny, but I thought it was hilarious then.

It had some pretty good whedonesque dialog.

I know that Joss was involved in the movie to a point, but then got out of it, because it wasn't being done right, but how much was he actually involved?

After season one I couldn't see Buffy and Xander together. They were too good of friends at that point.

[angelfire east]

I never watched the whole moive. I tried to but it was so bad. I'm sorry but it was so corny and well bad :lol:


Originally posted by Summers
Buffy Season 8

Link to the cover art:
http://slayerverse.org/sv2/index.php?comments=34927
Hey, it work :lol: *does Snoopy dance*. Buffy did keep her training. She worked on her abs lol. I love the coloring of the cover art. Plus she has the Slayer Scythe :D.

What does Dawn's "growing pains" mean? Unless Joss is retracting his statement on keeping Dawn powerless(which many speculated would happen in the expanded universe), it could be a reaction to her being a The Key....hmmm, or Dawn is becoming more sexual many are speculating. Intriguing. I wish October would come already. [/B]

Sounds great:D I can't wait:D I love the artwork. I already made it into a avatar:lol: I love the artowrk, I'm glad there drawing Buffy like that:D

I can't wait to find out what happening with Dawn:D

[Summers]

Originally posted by hjkuzcotopia

I know that Joss was involved in the movie to a point, but then got out of it, because it wasn't being done right, but how much was he actually involved?

Only thing he did was pen the script. He didn't have any creative control in the movie. In fact, he really couldn't stand some things about it. For an example, he was frustrated that the actors were arguing over facial hair :\. He always wanted the movie to well be like his tv show :\. He felt as if the movie was making fun what he thought was actually drama, but had some comedy in it.


Originally posted by angelfire east

Sounds great:D I can't wait:D I love the artwork. I already made it into a avatar:lol: I love the artowrk, I'm glad there drawing Buffy like that:D

I can't wait to find out what happening with Dawn:D

You did? lol. *goes off to Buffy fanart*

Me too. It kinda reminds me of the book we love Queen of the Slayers. I was actually scared when Dawn went into that magical coma that lasted over a week :eek:. Oh....I love that book :lol:.

[CallMeClark]

I do not like the cover art. Ew... LOL. I just do not like how Buffy looks.

So who is this S8 Big Bad?

[Summers]

Joss hasn't released who the Big Bad is :\. Being Joss the only way we will find out if someone asks him a question at Comic-Con even then there is no definite if he will answer that question. Or Dark Horse actually releases it during the comics promotion. We should still hear some more details of BtVS S8 comics and the new Angelverse comics at this year's San Diego Comic-Con.

Comics Cont!nuum gives info on the upcoming Spike: Asylum mini from IDW.

IDW Publishing is launching Spike: Asylum, a five-issue mini-series in September. Making their IDW debuts in the book are screenwriter Brian Lynch and Italian artist Franco Urru.

Here's how IDW describes the book:

"Spike is offered the opportunity to be a hero -- as well as earning a hefty fee -- by helping the Monahan Family find their missing daughter, Ruby. As luck would have it, Ruby is a half-demon and has been checked into the Mosaic Wellness Center, a rehab facility for vampires, demons, and other creatures of the night. Spike s 'simple' solution is to check himself in as a patient, but there's a slight problem -- the numerous super-powered, supernatural patients at the center happen to know Spike, and they want him dead. Can Spike survive the onslaught of mad monsters, much less the therapy?"

"The fun of doing a comic series featuring Spike is that we have a far bigger budget than any TV show," Lynch said. "Not in how much we're getting paid, but everything and anything can happen. We can go as epic as we want to be and not worry about working within the restrictions of a weekly TV budget.

"I've been a fan of the Joss Whedon's work and characters since the very first season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Buffy and Angel -- and later Firefly and Serenity -- have inspired and influenced me as a writer. The chance to play in his universe is a dream come true.

"The fact that Franco and I get a full five issues to tell a solo Spike tale lets us really delve into the character in ways that -- hopefully -- haven't been seen. Spike's a complicated character; he's been both a ruthless killer and a hero who's saved the world a handful of times. And he's still not sure which role suits him best.

"I'm approaching the series as if it's a full-on, big-budget Spike summer movie. Huge set pieces, fight scenes, and a supporting cast of hundreds demons, vampires, and other assorted monsters. But we don't lose the character moments and serious smart-assery that Whedon fans have come to expect."

IDW will be announcing two other projects based on Whedon's classic characters at Comic-Con International.
http://slayerverse.org/sv2/index.php?comments=34963

[CallMeClark]

I see you got the website links to work now.

[Summers]

Yea, I don't know what happened. When Slayerverse did their reboot it wouldn't work, but now it does :\ lol.

[CallMeClark]

Love that avatar, by the way. (Oh and I wanted to point something out anout a discussion a while back about Buffy hitting the uber-vamps off the cliff in "Chosen." There were actual four, not three. We only see three fly through the air.)

Hey, Miss Summers, let me test your memory. Which episode is the one where the vampire was a male gymanist at Sunnydale High? ( I forget )

[aqua]

"Anne," Andy Holech (sp.)

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
Buffy Season 8

Link to the cover art:
http://slayerverse.org/sv2/index.php?comments=34927
Hey, it work :lol: *does Snoopy dance*. Buffy did keep her training. She worked on her abs lol. I love the coloring of the cover art. Plus she has the Slayer Scythe :D.

What does Dawn's "growing pains" mean? Unless Joss is retracting his statement on keeping Dawn powerless(which many speculated would happen in the expanded universe), it could be a reaction to her being a The Key....hmmm, or Dawn is becoming more sexual many are speculating. Intriguing. I wish October would come already.

Whoa! Im kinda late! But that cover is awesome :D. Can't wait for that to come out...

Mel, I remember you telling me a long long time ago lol. That Connor was mention in one of the Buffy book's and I totally forgot what the book was called. Do you remember?

Also, does anyone know if Angel: Old Friends...stoped? I got all the issues, I believe all five but it's been taking along time for another issue to come out explaining the rest.

[ILuvLoVe]

ugh i just finished my annual summer buffy marathon. i am deeply saddened........how do u think they explained the big hole that is now sunnydale?

[CallMeClark]

I just picked up that in Episode 3.22 "Graduation Day Part II" Faith is talking about Dawn in her dream. lol. Sorry that took me so long.

[aqua]

Originally posted by ILuvLoVe
ugh i just finished my annual summer buffy marathon. i am deeply saddened........how do u think they explained the big hole that is now sunnydale?

Someone ate too many beans?

[Summers]

Love that avatar, by the way. (Oh and I wanted to point something out anout a discussion a while back about Buffy hitting the uber-vamps off the cliff in "Chosen." There were actual four, not three. We only see three fly through the air.)
Thanks, I change avies constantly but I'm in a slayer mood right now lol. Ryan and I couldn't remember how many were seen flying through the air. Technically we we're both right then :lol:. He had four and I had three lol.


Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Whoa! Im kinda late! But that cover is awesome :D. Can't wait for that to come out...

Mel, I remember you telling me a long long time ago lol. That Connor was mention in one of the Buffy book's and I totally forgot what the book was called. Do you remember?

Also, does anyone know if Angel: Old Friends...stoped? I got all the issues, I believe all five but it's been taking along time for another issue to come out explaining the rest.

*ponders* Yea, Conner was in the BtVS/Angel crossover book entitled Heat. He's not only mentions, but he does some things into as well. He meets Anya during it lol. It was a pretty decent book. He was mentioned in one of the graphic novels as well too in Note From The Underground. One of my personal favorites :). Angel mentions Conner to Dawn lol.

I think it's still continuting on. Sounda like IDW is going to release more information at Comic-Con about it.


Originally posted by ILuvLoVe
ugh i just finished my annual summer buffy marathon. i am deeply saddened........how do u think they explained the big hole that is now sunnydale?

Actually in the expanded universe they did come up with an explaination lol. In what is now known as an Elseworld's novel in the expanded universe, Queen of the Slayers, in the very beginning of the book the novel says:

The only explaination that made any sense was an earthquake, although the seismic readings reported by an earthquake preparedness agency in Los Angeles basin were inconsistent with a quake of that magitude
The typical human response in the Buffyverse :lol:.


I just picked up that in Episode 3.22 "Graduation Day Part II" Faith is talking about Dawn in her dream. lol. Sorry that took me so long.
Don't be. At the time of airing we didn't know WTH it meant :lol:. It wasn't until "Real Me" you can follow the trails of Dawn's forshadowing since S3 "Faith, Hope, and Trick" :). Pretty wicked huh :D. Did you catch the reference to Buffy's death in that dream? "Counting down from 7-3-0" means starting from that day it will be 730 days which is a equivlant to two years later Buffy will die. I love the awesome organization of this show :). I remember in one interview Sarah actually asks Joss what Faith is talking about, and during filming of the "Graduation Day" Sarah found out about Dawn and Buffy's death. Along with Kristin finding about Joyce's death in S5.

[CallMeClark]

Yes, I did catch the 730 part. Wish we had more people like Joss on Smallville. I mean they do not even plan a year a head. He had everything lad out for S5 in S3! Genius!

[yellowqueen22]

Sorry to put out my opinons a little late... but here goes...

Mel - your post was not at all boring. I agree that the problem with the majority of shows is focusing on the ship instead of character & plot development. Being someone that appreciates character development over anything else, the ridiculous focus on ships on many shows drives me absolutely bonkers.

Xander & Buffy - I couldn't stand Angel when I first started watching the show. And although I've grown to love his character... I still can't stand him with Buffy. Needless to say... I was a fan of the Xander/Buffy pairing. I knew it would never happen in the early days... but I kept it in the back of my mind as something possible down the line. I think it could have worked in s7 except that Xander was still dealing with the severe ramifications of his own fears about himself, as well as Anya, and for better or worse, Buffy was connected to Spike. Perhaps, they could hook up later in Italy... after she ditches the Immortal.

The Movie - I was completely addicted to the movie. I used to watch it over and over again. It was one of the few movies I watched constantly. I loved the movie so much that when I watched the first episode of Buffy I COULD NOT STAND IT and stopped watching. I didn't actually start watching Buffy again until the end of s3 and then became addicted. I still love the movie for what it was a complete comedic farce of the vampire movie genre. It doesn't have the depth or character development of the TV Show, but I still love it.

Dawson's Creek - while I agree with many of the sentiments expressed... I still loved the show right until the end. But this discussion belongs in the DC thread!!!

[kina_jo]

I LOVE BUFFY

[aqua]

Originally posted by kina_jo
I LOVE BUFFY

Join the club. :lol:

[ILuvLoVe]

Originally posted by Summers


Actually in the expanded universe they did come up with an explaination lol. In what is now known as an Elseworld's novel in the expanded universe, Queen of the Slayers, in the very beginning of the book the novel says:

The typical human response in the Buffyverse :lol:.




i 've never read it. I don't really read that much in the "expanded universe' and when i do i don't take it serious. Many of the reviews on that book were negative, but having never read it i can't really give my opinion.

Does anyone have their own versions of what happened to the Scoobies?

In my world, buffy and a group of Slayers show up to help Angel. Willow is there to to help fight back the forces of wolfram and hart. Of course they defeat it. As for everyone else, Buffy is the leader of the New Watchers Council. Everyone else is dispersed throughout the world finding and training the new slayers. Kennedy dies in battle, all sad and all... Willow and Xander get together after she realizes she isn't 100% gay, just Bi or whatever. Okay that's my inner shipper from high school Buffy coming out. Perhaps they don't get together. maybe dawn and Xander. That's not that weird really. Uh but Kennedy still dies. As for Buffy/Spike or Buffy/Angel or even Buffy/Immortal. It doesn't matter. i think the whole cookie speech covered that, Buffy has much higher purpose in life. I prefer Buffy with Spike, but I leave that open. maybe Angel and Spike or just more suited for each other.
Okay rambling is over. oh yeah and Weseley so did not die. Sorry again, inner shipper.

Thoughts? Meaningful discussion?

[Summers]

Yes, I did catch the 730 part. Wish we had more people like Joss on Smallville. I mean they do not even plan a year a head. He had everything lad out for S5 in S3! Genius!
In "Restless" I love when Tara says the clock is all wrong since it's 7:30. Meaning it's actually 3:56..356 days. It's those little touches I love. Indeed :).

Originally posted by yellowqueen22

Mel - your post was not at all boring. I agree that the problem with the majority of shows is focusing on the ship instead of character & plot development. Being someone that appreciates character development over anything else, the ridiculous focus on ships on many shows drives me absolutely bonkers.


I guess I was totally wrong about it being boring :lol:.


Originally posted by ILuvLoVe
i 've never read it. I don't really read that much in the "expanded universe' and when i do i don't take it serious. Many of the reviews on that book were negative, but having never read it i can't really give my opinion.


Only two of us in the thread have read the book. On anything I never really pay attention to reviews especially on something as superficial as expanded universes. Some things in BtVS expanded universe were made canon, such as the Slayer Scythe and the phrase the Scoobies. Plus now the new comics coming out are going to be considered canon by Joss Whedon. I know some people didn't like the book, but I enjoyed it a lot. I don't read reviews for books until after the fact lol.

Aqua-love the avatar. It's so subtle with the name tag.

[aqua]

Originally posted by Summers
Aqua-love the avatar. It's so subtle with the name tag.

Muchos gracias! I saw it and got all happy when I saw it. :lol:

[Summers]

It's really nice. One shot could have so much emotional meaning.

[CallMeClark]

In "Restless" I love when Tara says the clock is all wrong since it's 7:30. Meaning it's actually 3:56..356 days. It's those little touches I love. Indeed :)
I didn't notice that. So cool! Anymore foreshadowing I missed?

[Summers]

Hmmm...in S3 or S4? The first very subtle foreshadowing is in "Faith, Hope, and Trick" the writers purposely make reference to Buffy being an only child. In S4 "This Year's Girl" in Faith's dream she tells Buffy "little sister is coming". Little sister means Dawn, but Faith is used as the first context of it at first. That's why Buffy in "Restless" says "Faith and I just made that bed". To interlink the two slayers dreams. In both dreams Buffy is stressed about the time. Time being such an issue due to Dawn's arrival, and her death. Pretty neat huh :).

ETA: Oh, and Tara says "Come back before Dawn" in "Restless". They even say her name in that episode lol. It's also a double reference for dawn approaching in "The Gift". Joss practically had S5 panned out, but the Scoobies weren't mentally and emotionally ready for it. That's why S4 was the comedy, transitional season. It was needed for the subtle changes in the characters. He wanted them to have some fun first, and be the calm before the chaotic times ahead.

[aqua]

Speaking of "The Gift.." I am the biggest nerd for watching trailers and I LOVE the one for "The Gift." I get chills everytime they cut to Dawn saying "you have to let me go."

Go trailers yay! :lol:

<-- nerd

[cayayofm]

Hey, you are not the biggest nerd. I have all the season 7 trailers and some from other seasons recorded on a CD and every once in a while I download Buffy trailers to watch.

[CallMeClark]

I just got done watching "Faith, Hope, and Trick." I never realized how funny that episode was. The discussion outside of school when the Scoobies meet Buffy for lunch is hilarious. [Willow talking about how guys love it when Buffy does that thing with her mouth! haha! And then she was like, "No! Not that thing!" And then Xander saying, "I saw that half-smile, you slut!"]

It gets even funnier in the Bronze when they meet Faith and she is telling her naked story and Xander says, "Were you naked in that one too?" and Cordy says something like, "Okay, find a new thing!" HAHA!

[Summers]

Originally posted by aqua
Speaking of "The Gift.." I am the biggest nerd for watching trailers and I LOVE the one for "The Gift." I get chills everytime they cut to Dawn saying "you have to let me go."

Go trailers yay! :lol:

<-- nerd

Oh, you are so not :lol:. I'm a big trailer freak. I use to watch the behind the scene trailers for OMWF all the time :rotfl:.

Your not alone Andy :). It is alright if I call you Andy? I was impolite not to ask first.


Originally posted by cayayofm
Hey, you are not the biggest nerd. I have all the season 7 trailers and some from other seasons recorded on a CD and every once in a while I download Buffy trailers to watch.

Seriously. You were able to put all 144 episodes' trailers on one CD?

[angelfire east]

Aqua I love your avatar:D

And for my pointless statment that adds nothing to what you guys are talking about:

I love the lines

Willow: "Happy hurting"

Buffy: "Wish me monsters"

I just love the way SMG says that line:D

[Summers]

She does say it cute. "wish me monsters" :lol:...she had a different tone with her words lol.

[aqua]

Originally posted by Summers
Oh, you are so not :lol:. I'm a big trailer freak. I use to watch the behind the scene trailers for OMWF all the time :rotfl:.

Your not alone Andy :). It is alright if I call you Andy? I was impolite not to ask first.

Yay, I'm not alone! :lol:

NO, you may NOT call me that!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

;) Of course you can. I invite all who read this wonderful post to call me not by the handle that I carry but by the name that my lovely mother gave me. *cough*


Aqua I love your avatar :D

Thanks! :D

[Summers]

Originally posted by aqua
Yay, I'm not alone! :lol:

NO, you may NOT call me that!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

;) Of course you can. I invite all who read this wonderful post to call me not by the handle that I carry but by the name that my lovely mother gave me. *cough*

:lol:..not in the BtVS thread :D.

:lol:

Cool. I just wanted to make sure :).

[cayayofm]

Originally posted by Summers

Seriously. You were able to put all 144 episodes' trailers on one CD?

Oh, no, the complete trailers for season 7 and The Freshman, Living Conditions and Anne are the ones recorded on the CD.

[aqua]

Oh, and I really like "Chosen." And even though I don't like the episodes, "Two to Go" and "Grave" have a great trailer.

Although, in "The Gift's," they kind of spoil the episode a bit. They show that Buffy gets to Dawn, which is kind of the whole suspense part of the episode, and that the portal opens (or at least there's some sort of sparkage that isn't good.)

[Summers]

Originally posted by cayayofm
Oh, no, the complete trailers for season 7 and The Freshman, Living Conditions and Anne are the ones recorded on the CD.

Ohhhhhhhhhh..I totally misread. Okay, I understand now lol. Makes sense lol.


Originally posted by aqua
Oh, and I really like "Chosen." And even though I don't like the episodes, "Two to Go" and "Grave" have a great trailer.

Although, in "The Gift's," they kind of spoil the episode a bit. They show that Buffy gets to Dawn, which is kind of the whole suspense part of the episode, and that the portal opens (or at least there's some sort of sparkage that isn't good.)

Those are great trailers. I loved the trailers that led-up to "Chosen" because they would play Michelle Branch's "Goodbye To You". One of my all-time fav trailers is "Get It Done" because they edited the scenes in the episode to fit the song used "Just A Girl" by Amy Struz. I love that song lol :).

They didn't spoil to me :\. That wasn't the suspense part for me :lol:. Leading up to closing the portal was the suspense the part for me. WB didn't ruin the episode since there was more too it at the tower. The only death they ruined trailer wise was Lindsey's death. I knew she would get to Dawn and that was really a given to me :\. If you really want to see an finale spoiled you should see SV "Exodus" they showed Clark on his motorcycle :lol:.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
*ponders* Yea, Conner was in the BtVS/Angel crossover book entitled Heat. He's not only mentions, but he does some things into as well. He meets Anya during it lol. It was a pretty decent book. He was mentioned in one of the graphic novels as well too in Note From The Underground. One of my personal favorites :). Angel mentions Conner to Dawn lol.

I think it's still continuting on. Sounda like IDW is going to release more information at Comic-Con about it.


Thanks Mel :D. I know I am a pain ask you the same question over and over again...sorry :(.

[Summers]

Welcome :). As long as I have the answer to it, then it's not a pain John ;).

All I had to do was look at my book collection :).

[BuZzArD 8012]

Cool! Thanks again Mel :). Glad it wasn't a problem for ya :).

Oh btw, I was looking at a review of the "Heat" book....it said Angel was actually in his first year of LA??? So, how does Connor come into the picture...if there actually in Season 1 of Angel. Also, Dawn is in the book, but she didn't come along when Angel was in his first season. So it's kinda confusing for me...

[Summers]

See, this is why you have to be very cautious on expanded universe reviews. Unless you go off people you know lol. Whatever review you read they are seriously dead wrong, or on something :lol:. Dawn doesn't enter into the timeline until Angel S2 anyways lol. Not to mention Robin Wood is in this book. The timeline for this book is BtVS S7 and Angel S4 which is exactly how it was on the air :\. I'm seriously wondering if that person even read the book :lol:.

It's a very smart thing to ask about it John :). Very smart indeed.

[BuZzArD 8012]

lol, oh ok now it makes sense lol. I guess he or she didn't read the book :D. Do you know what year Note from the Underground was in?

Haha! Thanks Mel :D. I was like hold up!!! This has to be wrong...so I had to come to the expert :D.

[Summers]

The graphic novel Note From The Underground is in pre-BtVS S7. It takes place during the summer before "Lessons". Spike is gone to Africa. The Angel intergration happens right before Holtz is killed, so it's like a quickie detour prior to that. So it's roughly I say June, but the Angel timeline is little iffy on that but it's roughly the same place to just enjoy the story. It's really terrific. It felt just like watching one of the Buffy episodes. Faith returns along with Pike. Oh, it's fun.

Your gut was right. They were wrong :). I'm glad you did. I would hate to see anyone have false pre-tenses on a book's background.

ETA: Wait, I'm the expert? :eek:....gee lol.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Sound's exciting :D.

Yea, Im never going to trust the review's any more lol.

lol, you shore are the expert...you know mostly or everything about the Buffyverse :D.

Sorry for all the question's but I had another one about the Angel comics. You remember the first Angel comics that came out? The one were he is going to Romania for....I was wondering why he went there if you read them yet? And does Angel: Old Friends take place after that arc?

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Sound's exciting :D.

Yea, Im never going to trust the review's any more lol.

lol, you shore are the expert...you know mostly or everything about the Buffyverse :D.

Sorry for all the question's but I had another one about the Angel comics. You remember the first Angel comics that came out? The one were he is going to Romania for....I was wondering why he went there if you read them yet? And does Angel: Old Friends take place after that arc?

Where did you go to see the review. Amazon?

I just have a good memory *shy* lol. I'm always happy to help no matter what lol. As long if I able too :). Thank you for the compliment that's very sweet.

Don't be sorry. There is nothing wrong with questions :). Yea, it's in graphic novel format now called Angel: The Curse. I believe Angel: Old Friends has just been released in that format now :).

Angel went to Romania basically for some soul searching per sa. He went to Romania in the hopes to search for the Gypsy tribe that placed the curse upon him. The reason why he seeks them out because Angel believes that he deserves some happiness with a woman. After all he has been through, and the good he accomplished. He believes he deserves it. From what I know it's an iffy. It appears to be after Angel:The Curse since Angel has to come back to L.A., but I'm not 100 percent for sure.

[Summers]

They released the cover art for the next Buffy book to be release in October, Portal Through Time, by new BtVS author Alice Henderson. This one is set in S3 timeline.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Avonela/SMG/11413657.jpg

At Comic-Con Joss Whedon received an award for his Astonishing X-Men comic arc :D!! The 2006 Eisner Awards were announced last night at Comic-Con. Joss and illustrator John Cassaday won in the category Best Continuing Series. Astonishing X-Men has always been my fav area to read, and he really did a terrific job putting Shadowcat, Emma Frost, and Colossus back into the fold. The next graphic novel, Astonishing X-Men Volume 3: Torn, is schedule to be released this August :). There is a lot of graphic novels being released from DC and Marvel in August and Sept :). From Superman: Up, Up, and Away to Infinite Crisis :D.

[angelfire east]

Thanks for the info Mel:D

The cover art is kind of blah but still is better then SV book cover art.

Go Joss:D That good he's winning awards he's a talented man:)

[Summers]

Sure :).

The only thing I look at for BtVS novel cover art are the taglines :lol:. I love the premise to this upcoming book since Buffy is suppose to go to different time periods to meet other slayers. I'm assuming it's not the Ghost Roads she is using since the title has "portal" in it. They do a better job on the cover arts for the comics personally.

His Astonishing X-Men is one of the best selling comics in the past two years :D.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Summers
Sure :).

The only thing I look at for BtVS novel cover art are the taglines :lol:. I love the premise to this upcoming book since Buffy is suppose to go to different time periods to meet other slayers. I'm assuming it's not the Ghost Roads she is using since the title has "portal" in it. They do a better job on the cover arts for the comics personally.

His Astonishing X-Men is one of the best selling comics in the past two years :D.

LOL I go right for the pretty pictures and forget the words:lol: I can't wait to read this book it's on my list. I've got so many Buffy/angel books on the list to read right now if I ever buy them or the liburay ever gets them in I'll be busy for mouths. I'm going out of my head, I have no books left to read and I've been waiting 3 weeks for a superman book to come in. I want to read something Superman or Buffy now:( I can only reread my 3 buffy novals so many times:lol:

[Summers]

Oh, because of that interloan from the library huh? Those are a pain since the process takes bloody forever. I've been going back and forth with Buffy to DC comics to Marvel to Dark Horse to Star Wars all summer.

I know you have Queen of the Slayers what are the other two books in your collection?

ETA: Remind me again which Superman book are you waiting for. Was it the Death of Superman?

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Summers
Oh, because of that interloan from the library huh? Those are a pain since the process takes bloody forever. I've been going back and forth with Buffy to DC comics to Marvel to Dark Horse to Star Wars all summer.

I know you have Queen of the Slayers what are the other two books in your collection?

ETA: Remind me again which Superman book are you waiting for. Was it the Death of Superman?

Yeah, stupid interlorn:\ My brother order a book at the same time, It took a while for him to get his, he read it and sent ti back and I still haven't got mine:\ I got sick of waiting so I order two other Superman books incase it was just that book they couldn't find.

BtVS: The Book of Four and BtVS/Angel: Monster Island and then I have Once Bitten but I'm not rereading that one.

Nope, I decide to wait on that one, instead I ordered BrightRight and now Superman/Batman: Supergirl and another one but I can't think of the name right now.

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Yeah, stupid interlorn:\ My brother order a book at the same time, It took a while for him to get his, he read it and sent ti back and I still haven't got mine:\ I got sick of waiting so I order two other Superman books incase it was just that book they couldn't find.

BtVS: The Book of Four and BtVS/Angel: Monster Island and then I have Once Bitten but I'm not rereading that one.

Nope, I decide to wait on that one, instead I ordered BrightRight and now Superman/Batman: Supergirl and another one but I can't think of the name right now.

Ah, bummer :\. I would've done the same thing :lol:.

Oh *nods* now I remember. I loved Monster Island :D.

Birthright is fairly big graphic novel for it's size. Great artwork. My sister just finished that Supergirl one, and she enjoyed it. Was it Public Enemies?

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Summers
Ah, bummer :\. I would've done the same thing :lol:.

Oh *nods* now I remember. I loved Monster Island :D.

Birthright is fairly big graphic novel for it's size. Great artwork. My sister just finished that Supergirl one, and she enjoyed it. Was it Public Enemies?

Monster Island is my favorite one:D As I said before I think they really nailed the characters in that book.

I can't wait to read the Supergirl one. Yes the second one was Public Enemies:) I was hoping I'd get Birthright and it'd keep me busy cause you told me it was huge but knowing my luck I'll get all the graphic novels and not be able to read them all. (I'm a slow reader plus I like to reread everything)

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Monster Island is my favorite one:D As I said before I think they really nailed the characters in that book.

I can't wait to read the Supergirl one. Yes the second one was Public Enemies:) I was hoping I'd get Birthright and it'd keep me busy cause you told me it was huge but knowing my luck I'll get all the graphic novels and not be able to read them all. (I'm a slow reader plus I like to reread everything)

I agree that book definitely nailed the characters, and I love how they used Doyle's father storyline as way for the characters to talk about their fathers at the Hyperion Hotel.

Hopefully you'll get them soon. I tend to re-read things myself either to remember a passage, or check for understanding(a technique my elementary teacher taught me I still use today :lol: ).

More Buffy Merchanise
Anyanka's amulet
http://timespacetoys.stores.yahoo.net/buanamprre.html

Urn of Orisis(used in "Bargaining" to resurrect Buffy)
http://timespacetoys.stores.yahoo.net/prurnoforbup.html

Accessories for the Library playset
http://timespacetoys.stores.yahoo.net/prbuacfiacpa.html
Here is the playset that already came out
http://timespacetoys.stores.yahoo.net/prbusuhiscli.html

[angelfire east]

btw: was the actress who played Hermory, the little annoying girl at camp onAddams Family Values?

[Summers]

According to IMDB Mercedes McNab was in that movie.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Summers
I agree that book definitely nailed the characters, and I love how they used Doyle's father storyline as way for the characters to talk about their fathers at the Hyperion Hotel.

Hopefully you'll get them soon. I tend to re-read things myself either to remember a passage, or check for understanding(a technique my elementary teacher taught me I still use today :lol: ).

More Buffy Merchanise
Anyanka's amulet
http://timespacetoys.stores.yahoo.net/buanamprre.html

Urn of Orisis(used in "Bargaining" to resurrect Buffy)
http://timespacetoys.stores.yahoo.net/prurnoforbup.html

Accessories for the Library playset
http://timespacetoys.stores.yahoo.net/prbuacfiacpa.html
Here is the playset that already came out
http://timespacetoys.stores.yahoo.net/prbusuhiscli.html

I love that too:) I loved seeing more more about everyone's familys.

Wow there use getting lot of stuff for you to buy:eek: I think the only think I'd buy would be the Amulet but even that isn't my style. Thanks for hte news Mel:)

edit:

Have you ever seen "Mr. Pointy" for sale? (Kendra's stake).

Originally posted by Summers
According to IMDB Mercedes McNab was in that movie.

Cool:D Thanks:)

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I love that too:) I loved seeing more more about everyone's familys.

Wow there use getting lot of stuff for you to buy:eek: I think the only think I'd buy would be the Amulet but even that isn't my style. Thanks for hte news Mel:)

Have you ever seen "Mr. Pointy" for sale? (Kendra's stake).

Me too. I'm a big fan of backstory to the history of characters since it can help you understand to way they act they way they do. The influences they had early on in their lives.

Ah, that's what's great about a big cult fanbase. The merchanise!!! Kinda like Yogurt in Spaceballs "merchanisizing merchanizing" :lol:. I do like Anyanka's amulet, but I'm more prone to Buffy's necklace Angel gave her:
http://timespacetoys.stores.yahoo.net/buslcrneprre.html
Plus it's at a cheaper price :D.

There is one stake for sale, but it's not Kendra's Mr. Pointy.:
http://timespacetoys.stores.yahoo.net/prbuslstprre.html
Way too much money. It's half the price of the Slayer Scythe :\.

ETA: Unless you want a plush toy one lol:
http://timespacetoys.stores.yahoo.net/prbuplroplsl.html

[Yuui]

Random thoughts--

As much as I appreciate what The SMG did for the Buffyverse, it's hard to spend seven years on a series in a title role, and just suddenly attempt to make everyone forget that she ever portrayed the character.

I understand that she needed to quickly move on and find work, but from what I've read, it always felt like she was slapping us fans (and her fellow castmates) in the face.

I can separate actors from characters, but I've often read that The SMG was nothing like personality of Buffy; take that for what it's worth.

All I have left to say is that we don't need Sarah Michelle Gellar or David Boreanaz to have a Spike movie. I'd actually prefer it if they focused a movie/miniseries/whatever around Spike and Illyria, as Marsters and Acker had a good on-screen chemistry.

[Summers]

Um....I don't listen to gossip :lol:. Everything I read says otherwise about her ;). People bash anyone these days that have no credible evidence to support just freakin' rumors with no backup. It's just needless, sour-mouth bashing since they seriously can't move on that the Buffyverse is on hiatus.

Besides there isn't going to be any Spike or Illyria movie ;). Joss said no to it and released a press release about it, and it's not happening. As did Amy Acker release a statement that it's not going to happen. Please don't blame David or Sarah for that. They haven't dissed the Buffyverse or anything. They want to move on. Let them be human. It's Joss's decision to continue it in the expanded universe not in other mediums. Chill. She is working because that is her job. She didn't slap anyone in the face. Personally, I think some fans feel like she owes them something. Honestly, she or any of the Whedonverse actors don't owe us squat. They don't owe us anything. They are actors not the creator of the series. They don't hold that responsiblitiy. Let them work, and move on. It's part of life. Let the actors spread their wings, so they aren't greatly stereotyped and get recognition elsewhere.

ETA: Believe me I read and watched every single interview and article about Sarah from herself to her castmates since the moment she was on All My Children(might I add she admited her mistake with Susan Lucci due her young age to understand what was going on) to the present. Sarah is an upmost professional especially for her young age on BtVS. I don't believe in the crappy rumors about her since there is honestly nothing credible to back them up. They are just started by disgruntled fans who have nothing else better to do except to complain :\.

Yuui, I don't mean you personally. I'm mostly generalizing when I mentioned fans.

[angelfire east]

Personlly I don't read interviews much nor listen to rumors. I go to a Buffy Fourma nd man I got a lot of mis-infomation. So now I go to offical sites (or sites I trust) for interviews and such like, Or just hit mel up for info:p


Originally posted by Summers
Me too. I'm a big fan of backstory to the history of characters since it can help you understand to way they act they way they do. The influences they had early on in their lives.

Ah, that's what's great about a big cult fanbase. The merchanise!!! Kinda like Yogurt in Spaceballs "merchanisizing merchanizing" :lol:. I do like Anyanka's amulet, but I'm more prone to Buffy's necklace Angel gave her:
http://timespacetoys.stores.yahoo.net/buslcrneprre.html
Plus it's at a cheaper price :D.

There is one stake for sale, but it's not Kendra's Mr. Pointy.:
http://timespacetoys.stores.yahoo.net/prbuslstprre.html
Way too much money. It's half the price of the Slayer Scythe :\.

ETA: Unless you want a plush toy one lol:
http://timespacetoys.stores.yahoo.net/prbuplroplsl.html

One thing I love about Buffy's books is they add to the mythos even if there not couted as canon. They let you understand more about the characters, why they are the wya they are. It's brillant:D It's so nice to fine a fandom so well done that keeps going on:D

I love that necklace:D I saw it on another site for about the same piece.

Agreed, it's way to much, plus from the photo it doesn't look so great:\ If I could buy any weapon from BtVS it'd be the Slayer Scythe:D Angel has beter and coller swords so I won't piece just one:D

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east

One thing I love about Buffy's books is they add to the mythos even if there not couted as canon. They let you understand more about the characters, why they are the wya they are. It's brillant:D It's so nice to fine a fandom so well done that keeps going on:D

I love that necklace:D I saw it on another site for about the same piece.

Agreed, it's way to much, plus from the photo it doesn't look so great:\ If I could buy any weapon from BtVS it'd be the Slayer Scythe:D Angel has beter and coller swords so I won't piece just one:D

Yea, only a few things became canon. I always wanted the Ghost Roads(which you see in Queen of the Slayers) to be canon. It's such an interesting concept :). Indeed :).

Cool. Time Space Toys basically works with all the merchanise sites, so you will see doubles on there.

Yea, I would want to buy the Slayer Scythe for sure :D.

[Summers]

12" Inch Giles figure
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=20191&type=store
Not bad. I seen worse. I actually ordered this one :).

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
Where did you go to see the review. Amazon?

I just have a good memory *shy* lol. I'm always happy to help no matter what lol. As long if I able too :). Thank you for the compliment that's very sweet.

Don't be sorry. There is nothing wrong with questions :). Yea, it's in graphic novel format now called Angel: The Curse. I believe Angel: Old Friends has just been released in that format now :).

Angel went to Romania basically for some soul searching per sa. He went to Romania in the hopes to search for the Gypsy tribe that placed the curse upon him. The reason why he seeks them out because Angel believes that he deserves some happiness with a woman. After all he has been through, and the good he accomplished. He believes he deserves it. From what I know it's an iffy. It appears to be after Angel:The Curse since Angel has to come back to L.A., but I'm not 100 percent for sure.


Thanks Mel :D. That sum's it up, and make's much more sense lol :).


Originally posted by Summers
They released the cover art for the next Buffy book to be release in October, Portal Through Time, by new BtVS author Alice Henderson. This one is set in S3 timeline.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Avonela/SMG/11413657.jpg

At Comic-Con Joss Whedon received an award for his Astonishing X-Men comic arc :D!! The 2006 Eisner Awards were announced last night at Comic-Con. Joss and illustrator John Cassaday won in the category Best Continuing Series. Astonishing X-Men has always been my fav area to read, and he really did a terrific job putting Shadowcat, Emma Frost, and Colossus back into the fold. The next graphic novel, Astonishing X-Men Volume 3: Torn, is schedule to be released this August :). There is a lot of graphic novels being released from DC and Marvel in August and Sept :). From Superman: Up, Up, and Away to Infinite Crisis :D.


I actually saw that book, when I was looking up the Buffy book "Heat"....didn't know if it was new or not hehe.

Thanks for the info Mel :D. I never got many of the graphic novels of Marvel or DC, got to check those out!


Originally posted by Summers
According to IMDB Mercedes McNab was in that movie.

When I was watching that movie, I was like aww...is that are little Harmony lol. She look's the same and still annoying lol.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Thanks Mel :D. That sum's it up, and make's much more sense lol :).

I actually saw that book, when I was looking up the Buffy book "Heat"....didn't know if it was new or not hehe.

Thanks for the info Mel :D. I never got many of the graphic novels of Marvel or DC, got to check those out!

Sure. It didn't make sense in the Angel comics huh?

It's not new. They just finally released the cover art. Sometimes Barnes and Noble are faster at that than Amazon.

There good reads, and graphic novels make it cheaper :).

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
12" Inch Giles figure
http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=20191&type=store
Not bad. I seen worse. I actually ordered this one :).

That isn't bad, I have seen alot worse then that! That actually look's like Giles lol.


Originally posted by Summers
Sure. It didn't make sense in the Angel comics huh?

It's not new. They just finally released the cover art. Sometimes Barnes and Noble are faster at that than Amazon.

There good reads, and graphic novels make it cheaper :).

No it didn't, I know Angel was going there for a reason, but I didn't know why...

Oh ok, I thought it was....the cover art is not as good as the Buffy Season 8 book...haha :D.

Cool! I might look into buying some of those :D.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
That isn't bad, I have seen alot worse then that! That actually look's like Giles lol.

No it didn't, I know Angel was going there for a reason, but I didn't know why...

Oh ok, I thought it was....the cover art is not as good as the Buffy Season 8 book...haha :D.

Cool! I might look into buying some of those :D.

Indeed. This one is pretty decent. I like his little glasses lol. It was only 50 bucks total, and it's suppose to be released in 2007. So I grabbed it being a limited edition.

Yea, they weren't. That was just from what I backtrack on interviews :\.

They rarely ever are in novels lol. The comics cover seemed be far more artistic :).

Yea, you get roughly 6+ issues(depending what it is) in one graphic novel. I don't buy issues since in all it would cost too much money for me lol.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
Indeed. This one is pretty decent. I like his little glasses lol. It was only 50 bucks total, and it's suppose to be released in 2007. So I grabbed it being a limited edition.

Yea, they weren't. That was just from what I backtrack on interviews :\.

They rarely ever are in novels lol. The comics cover seemed be far more artistic :).

Yea, you get roughly 6+ issues(depending what it is) in one graphic novel. I don't buy issues since in all it would cost too much money for me lol.


Yea, loving his little glasses lol...looking like the real Giles :D. Whoa! 2007??? Weird how they put out now...or did you preorder it?

Oh, I wonder why they don't explain exactly what's happening?

Nice! Yea, sometime's have to buy the issue's because I can't wait to read the next issue lol :D.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Yea, loving his little glasses lol...looking like the real Giles :D. Whoa! 2007??? Weird how they put out now...or did you preorder it?

Oh, I wonder why they don't explain exactly what's happening?

On Sideshow they give you the time it's schedule to be release, but they make most of their money from early pre-orders. That's why there are waiting lists. Plus sometimes they don't release the figures exactly on the date they say. It's really tentative. I was suppose to get my "City of" Angel by now, but they pushed it back to late August-early Sept. :\. It comes out in the first quarter of 2007, so I pre-ordered it. Knowing I would have money to pay for it then. Online shopping you can control a little bit since they don't charge you the item until it's shipped from their warehouses. So I won't be charged for it until 2007.

I don't know. They should've. The Buffy comics usually do with a line or two.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Yea, loving his little glasses lol...looking like the real Giles :D.

Those little glasses are so cute:D

Who do you think the worse Vampire would be out of all the scoobie from seasons 1-7? What I mean by 'worse' is some vamps are worse then others in evilness, take Darla who turned Angelus into a monster who in turn made Dru then later Spike into a monster. You get the idea.

My top three would be:

Giles: I think Giles would be a impassrive vamp, more so then others. With his skills, info and we've seen the Ripper(dark) past of him. I think he has it in him to become the Anglus of his time if he wanted too.

Buffy: I also think Buffy would make a pretty impassive vamp, thought we've never actully seen her "evil" we have seen her dark (season 2 opener) and I think she'd be a pretty powerful foe even without all the slayer training.

Willow: She's a pretty impassrive vamp too. We've seen her as vamp and she was pretty good

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Who do you think the worse Vampire would be out of all the scoobie from seasons 1-7? What I mean by 'worse' is some vamps are worse then others in evilness, take Darla who turned Angelus into a monster who in turn made Dru then later Spike into a monster. You get the idea.

Since in the Buffyverse a vampire is essentially the human persona to the extreme. We seen Willow and Xander become vampires, and they did become The Master's number ones. They were pretty evil having Vamp Willow torture the puppy Angel, and Vamp Xander get aroused by it.

The vampire I imagined Giles still be smart, calculating, and vast amount of skills that would be dangerous if he were turned. There is a novel series that has him as vampire in The Lost Slayer series, and Giles is extremely dangerous. This man ended up getting Faith, and not killing her just to make her not call another slayer. He also had Angel, and early on in the series he kept Buffy locked up for a very long time. He was very deadly due to his traits and attributes as a human.

Buffy we seen parts of her darkside in various episodes especially in S6. We seen some things she is capable of not to mention slayer are rooted from darkness of a demon. I think Buffy would be very difficult foe especially if she was turned in by the end of S7. In all I would say Giles and Buffy would become the worse, and Xander and Willow work better as a team but separately they showed us on the show they don't really.

ETA: Becki, another terrific avatar :D.

[angelfire east]

I watched The Yoko Factor and I must say how I really hate Angel fighting with Riley.:( For a few reasons, though I still don't know who threw the first punch.

One it was a unfair fight. Riley even with his training still doesn't have the vampire strenght or speed. He like every other normal person had to use tools to defend himself and Angel was still beating him.

Two: Angel was just beating on Reily out of jeslousy more then anything. He could have walked away a number of times but wanted to hurt Riley becuase he's dating Buffy. Reily was also doing the same thing but he did think Angel might have turned so he was fighting a right and wrong reason at the same time.

In fact I didn't like Angel much in this episode, he acted way to much like a 12 year old (a jerk). :\ Reily was being a little twity too but that didn't bother me so much.

btw I liked the fight betweent he scoobies at theend. Everythign was falling apart and it makes the hug in the next episode all the more warm-fuzzy:D

[Summers]

The way Angel acted in "The Yoko Factor" reminded me the way how Buffy acted in L.A. in "Santuary". They were both out of line in both of those episodes despite how understanding their feelings were. They did a role reversal with the couple in those two episodes lol. I agree I think Angel was out of line as well, even though I love that fight lol, and Riley was a human being. Plus not very bright since he have to know Buffy would've found out :lol:. Not to mention "driving your face into a tree in an accident, but hitting someone in the face in a plan". She should know she has done it lol. Angel did the first swing as well. They were both gunning for each other either way, but Angel should've know better. He's suppose to be over 200+ years old :lol:.

What I also didn't like is the pot shot to Buffy and Riley's sex life "you actually sleep with this guy". I'm sorry I seen people say Riley deserved this and the fight since he is so boring :rolleyes:. I don't care how boring you are no one deserves to be hit like that despite if they are looking for a fight. Sometimes you have to be the better person.

ETA: However, in the end both Buffy and Angel were in the wrong at least Buffy admitted her. Whereas Angel didn't admit he was about his behavior in Sunnydale. He admitted his behavior was wrong in L.A., but not in Sunnydale.

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Summers
Since in the Buffyverse a vampire is essentially the human persona to the extreme. We seen Willow and Xander become vampires, and they did become The Master's number ones. They were pretty evil having Vamp Willow torture the puppy Angel, and Vamp Xander get aroused by it.

The vampire I imagined Giles still be smart, calculating, and vast amount of skills that would be dangerous if he were turned. There is a novel series that has him as vampire in The Lost Slayer series, and Giles is extremely dangerous. This man ended up getting Faith, and not killing her just to make her not call another slayer. He also had Angel, and early on in the series he kept Buffy locked up for a very long time. He was very deadly due to his traits and attributes as a human.

Buffy we seen parts of her darkside in various episodes especially in S6. We seen some things she is capable of not to mention slayer are rooted from darkness of a demon. I think Buffy would be very difficult foe especially if she was turned in by the end of S7. In all I would say Giles and Buffy would become the worse, and Xander and Willow work better as a team but separately they showed us on the show they don't really.

ETA: Becki, another terrific avatar :D.

Great post:) You always say things so much better then I do. I want to read that book, it sounds really interesting.

Thank you:) I already changed it:p

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east
Great post:) You always say things so much better then I do. I want to read that book, it sounds really interesting.

Thank you:) I already changed it:p

I do? Nah, there are times you say things far better than me ;). Oh, it's one of the best. It's a four story-arc, and it takes place in S4. Writtened by Chris Golden. It's truly one of the best, and it would make a great couple of episodes :).

Yea, like four times now :lol: :p :lol:.