Buffy the Vampire Slayer

[Spoon AZ]

Well mine's kind of a cheating because the character spans both shows:

Wesley Wyndham-Price

He cracked me up with his foppish Clark Kent-esque debut on Buffy. And his romance with Cordelia was great comedy.

His evolution was truly brutally brilliant and made him one of the most fascinating characters IMO in TV history. On Angel he started out a little more grounded than before having been fired from being a Watcher. But he was still entertaining.

But what really made me a true fan was Season 3 of Angel and Alexis Denisof's amazing transformation into the world weary, suicidal, upredicatable Wesley that owned the screen in every episode leading up to his tragic end in the Angel finale.

Denisof could pull off physical comedy, James Bond and the anti-hero all with ease.

His recovery from his throat slashing and betrayal of Angel is gripping TV.

When he finally got Fred just to lose her.... heart-breaking and fantastic.

I only wish he hadn't died in the finale so he could live on in other incarnations or at least was given a little better death.

OH! And how can you not love it when he whips out the duel pistols or the concealed arm knives. Just awesome.

[Summers]

thanks, Spoon. And yours not cheating some people chose Spike for both shows lol. There is no right or wrong answer. I'll post the results on Monday because I was blocked out of the forum for while. Its been going wonky all week for me hence no buffy updates yet.

k, the board is alright so here are at least two updates from slayerverse:
David's Crow won't make it

You heard right, David's new movie The Crow: Wicked Prayer won't make it to the big screen

After exchanging soft blows with an actress in the film (story) and warding off rumors from other websites regarding the release of Dimension Films' The Crow: Wicked Prayer, it looks like we were right on the money. In a special DVD holiday issue of Variety, Dimension announced the next 'Crow' film as one of their direct-to-video DVDs for 2005, alongside Hellrasier: Hellworld/Deader and The Prophecy sequels. I guess the reports are true- the film is terrible, but you'll be able to judge for yourself sometime in 2005. Lance Munjia's film stars Edward Furlong, Tara Reid, David Borianaz, Dennis Hopper, Emmanuelle Chriqui, Marcus Chong, Tito Ortiz, Rena Owen, Danny Trejo and Macy Gray.
*****************end article*****************
number two update:
Buffy's worst nightmare has hit Gilmore Girls

Someday the rumours about the two of them was going to hit Gilmore Girls, and now it has. Who are we talking about? :)

Spike and Drusilla of course!
They are known to the smart girl Rory and she's thinking one of her friends is going out looking for the two

Paris: How do I look?
Rory: Where are you going?
Paris: I'm putting myself out there, Rory.
Rory: Now?
Paris: Yes, now.
Rory: It's eleven o'clock at night. Who are you hoping to hook up with now? Spike and Drusilla?
**********end article******
I thought the second one was cute plus that was written by former Buffy writer Rebecca Rand Krishner(sp?)

[KALS SON]

Guess what i really hate wesley sorry to say but i do. He made my favorite chracter crazy by giving him up to holtz who took connor to a hell dimension.

[Summers]

True, but from Wesley point of view he was saving Conner's life. He didnt know it was a false prophecy made by Sajhun(sp?). Sajhun wanted Conner out of the way, so the actual prophecy wouldnt be fullfilled which was Conner killing Sajhun. That was the true prophecy rather than "The father will kill the son". Wes didnt know, however; I wished he speaked up about the prophecy but if Wes did that we wouldve have gotten an awesome story or character arc out of it.

Nex, did you post who your fav character from Buffy and Angel for the poll yet? I dont remember?

[greenshady]

My favorite character....That's a tough one, for both shows. I didn't really want to vote on this. Each character brought something to the show that was very special. And I don't really have any favorite characters, but since I have to choose, I'll pick by how well I think the actors portrayed them.

Angel - Wesley (Seasons 1-4, haven't seen all of 5th season)
Wesley's character had so many dimensions. Alexis Denisof really grew into this role, and made him more than just another funny character.

Buffy - Willow
At first, Willow wasn't one of my favorites. Xander held that special place in my heart with his humor. But, as each season progressed, Alyson Hannigan really showed she could pull off any part that was needed for Willow. I especially loved her in "The Body." Even behind Sarah Michelle Gellar's great performance. Alyson, from the 4th season on has shown that she has some real talent.

[Summers]

we just need a poll where everybody needed to pick just one. It is indeed hard because all the characters are great w/ the talent by the actors(Joss was actually quite lucky there), and its hard to choose. Usually I do ties, but sometimes you have to choose one even if its hard :(.

btw, Kal CONGRATS!! to ranking up to Master :).

[vyperman7]

Summer, I am still waiting on your top ten list of your favorite Buffy episodes.

[Mysticlies]

Originally posted by Summers
we just need a poll where everybody needed to pick just one. It is indeed hard because all the characters are great w/ the talent by the actors(Joss was actually quite lucky there), and its hard to choose. Usually I do ties, but sometimes you have to choose one even if its hard :(.

btw, Kal CONGRATS!! to ranking up to Master :).

I tried making them short, so who ever does the polls you can add, or remove any changes. By the way I really advocate that both Buffy and Angel be removed from the list, because personally it's not just fair

Buffy Characters:
Anya
Buffy Summers
Cordelia Chase
Dawn Summers
Drusilla
Faith
Joyce Summers
Kendra
Riley Finn
Rupert Giles
Spike
Tara Maclay
Willow Rosenberg
Xander Harris
Willow Rosenberg

Angel Characters:
Allen Doyle
Angel/Angelus
Charles Gunn
Connor
Cordelia Chase
Harmony Kendall
Lorne
Spike
Wesley Pryce
Winifred/Illyria

[kia]

Lol, Willow, She's so good you had to add her twice!

[Mysticlies]

Originally posted by kia
Lol, Willow, She's so good you had to add her twice!

-LOL hey I just noticed that, I want to edit, but can't seem to help me self. I am so proud of my typos:D

[KALS SON]

Thats true summers but i still hate him lol.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Mysticlies
I tried making them short, so who ever does the polls you can add, or remove any changes. By the way I really advocate that both Buffy and Angel be removed from the list, because personally it's not just fair


I'm going to have to disagree with you there. True, they are the main characters, however; unlike SV Buffy and Angel are part of an ensemble cast. You cant have Buffy without Willow and Xander, or Angel without his Fang Gang. The supporting characters hold a big screentime just as equal to Buffy and Angel. Now if it were reverse, then yea, I would agree with you, but both shows had huge casts and gave each character a lot of screen time. Buffy and Angel stay in or it wouldnt be fair since both shows are an ensemble cast. There is a balance between the main and supporting. Cause if we wanted to narrow down more we would take out both Wes and Spike since they went to both shows. Now that wouldnt be fair because both characters progressed leaving Buffy to Angel. All the characters say in whether were on both shows or the main character.

maybe we can do another poll that didnt have Buffy and Angel in it, but for this poll let's make it involve everyone.

I would add the Lindsey and Lilah to the Angel Characters though.

k, V-Man here's my top ten but in chronological order :).

-Nightmares: At time was the most scary, haunting of the episodes in season one. We not only saw one fear from each character, but many including the Ugly Man. It was so balance, and dark. Of all the fears Buffy being told she was reason for the divorce was hurtful to watch. plus:
-Vamp Buffy
-illierate Giles
-nude Xander, and afraid of Clowns
-Willow's stage fright
-Cordy's bad hair day, and turning into a nerd.

-Prophecy Girl: The first time I watched it I thought I was watching a movie. Joss closed all the storylines from that season:
-Xander telling his feelings for Buffy, and she sadly telling him she feels none
-Buffy's prophecy and death
-Willow rejecting Xander too
-Giles firming his father figure status
-the prom
-Cordy changing and caring
-it had everything

-Innocence: Beautifully done. There was no in your face sex act, but it was all done with a small light and beautifully done. both Sarah and David had to progress there characters to Angelus and Buffy as mortal enemies. and ROCKET LAUNCHER!!!. Willow finding out about Xan and Cordy. Jenny is revealed, and Oz makes his way into the group.

-Becoming Pt.1 and 2: I just cant separate they go hand and hand. Again felt like a movie from seeing Liam turn to Angelus to Angel. Seeing Dru before she is turn. all out sword fight :). Buffy being put in a position:
-first wanted for murder
-kick out of her home
-expelled
-killed her lover
-and lost herself.

-Earshot: One of the best episode made about school isolation. Its starts all funny, but turns very dark. we hear the insecurities that many of us heard, or still have. And find out its the Cafeteria lady.

-Hush: wicked scary, and still have nightmare about the Gentlemen. Intro of Tara :). I never seen an all quite episode until now, and they pulled it off.

-Restless: Every act is one character. It was a blast to watch, and great foreshadowings "come back before Dawn"

-The Gift: such the tearjeaker. Great action to the drama one of the 100th episodes I seen. I never thought she would die.

-Once More With Feeling: Talk about a risk, but they pull it off nicely again.

-Chosen: One of my favorite series finales. It emphasized what the show is all about. The one seen where the girls get their powers is the primary theme of the show(but the show has many themes)

honorable mentions:
Angel
Bewitch, Bothered, and Bewildered
Passion
Killed By Death
Band Candy
Dopplegangland
Graduation Day 1 and 2
The Prom
The Wish
Harsh Day of Light
Pangs
This Year's Girl/Who Are You
Superstar
Real Me
Checkpoint
The Body(I replace OMWF with it)
The Replacement
Fool For Love
Bargaining Pt. 1 and 2
After Life
Life Serial
Tabula Rasa
Seeing Red
Normal Again
Lessons
Bring On The Night
Help
Conversations with Dead People
Get It Done
Dirty Girls
Lies My Parents Told Me
as you can tell it was hard for me to choose ten lol.

[Spiked]

slayerverse.net is finally working for me! YAY! Thought I'd pass along the good news! :D

[kia]

None of the seasons disappointed?


Did both of you not see Season 7?


Originally posted by Summers
nope.


Ahh, That Explains it :) :P




Actually season 7 is one of most loved seasons. Season four was weak, however; I wasnt disappointed in the writing, directing, or acting in any season of the series.


Oh so you liked the fact that Robin Wood served no purpose? that the Supervamps who were so difficult for Buffy to kill were being dispatched by Dawn in the final episode? That Faith and Angel did nothing but stand there and look awkward during their episodes? That Not a Single Person Hugged Giles? Or Kennedye tap-dancing on Tara's grave? (if you're as big of a Buffy fan as I thin you are, you can't ignore all the terrible things Kennedy was called, and though I disagree with their venom, I do agree that she had no place with willow)

Oh sure, the season started out fine. The Jacket was a hoot (I love him the most, I'm willing to overlook his penis!), Conversations with dead people was a great episode and the first half of the season was pretty good.

But I don't think Whedon really knew how he planned to end the show, or even what the first evil's big plan was. Those last couple of episodes were just painful to watch. And can anyone say Deus ex after Deus ex after Deus ex? Face it, the last half of Season 7 sucked, and even more so because it was a buffy show.


I mean a weak season in the Whedonverse is better than anything on tv. I was never disappointed in Buffy or Angel, however; I have been disappointed with Smallville though.

I think that's the problem. Season 1,2,3, and 6 where Whedon Seasons. The unexpected happen, everything was a metaphor for life, and the endings felt earned.

4,5, and 7 were Hollywood seasons. The good guys won because they were supposed to and because of their endless supplies of Deus Ex machines.

Which doesn't mean the shows were bad, I think Season 4 has the highest amount of Great Episodes, Season 5 though formulaic was fun to watch, and season 7... Well the last half of season 7 was crap, I don't think there's anything we can say to redeem it.

But when Whedon is on the ball, the season arcs are great. When he's not... well it becomes just another vampire show.

[Mysticlies]

I am genius, how about we have to polls, for each show, one for our first pick, and the other for our second pick, because honestly it's far way to hard to choose.


And is anyone going to start the polls :D, seriously.

[KALS SON]

UMM ok.

[Mysticlies]

Originally posted by KALS SON
UMM ok.

is that an umm ok, as in I will start one, or as in you need help :D, sorry I am a bit slow sometimes. Anyway I just thought I recall someone ages ago saying their going to start a thread polling our fav characters, and it just never happened

[Summers]

I'll post the results tomorrow, and Mysticles if you want to do another poll that's cool.

and yea Spiked has access, and awesome looking avi :).


Originally posted by kia

Oh so you liked the fact that Robin Wood served no purpose? that the Supervamps who were so difficult for Buffy to kill were being dispatched by Dawn in the final episode? That Faith and Angel did nothing but stand there and look awkward during their episodes? That Not a Single Person Hugged Giles? Or Kennedye tap-dancing on Tara's grave? (if you're as big of a Buffy fan as I thin you are, you can't ignore all the terrible things Kennedy was called, and though I disagree with their venom, I do agree that she had no place with willow)


At time I posted that the board was going wonky, and I couldnt really go in detail lol. Overall I loved Season Seven, and I loved the theme of going back to the beginning and the primary theme of the show. Like in any tv series's season I can say I hate things. I hated Kennedy, in fact, she is the character besides Warren I hated. I didnt like the Kennedy/Willow relationship at all. All Kennedy did was put her nose where it didnt belong, and talk smack....do bad she lived. The Ubervamps now that's just plain funny, but it didnt unnerve me because it is a tv show lol.

Giles on the other had not hugging was suppose to confuse us that he is the First. I remember my sister and I watching Bring On The Night when it aired, and we appalled he wouldnt hug Buffy. After we find out he's not the First he was still not hugging or a father figure to Buffy(that's debateable). Now I can watch the last season all the way through I view Giles as being The Watcher Council. Once they were blown up(really cool) Giles became them while Buffy stood for the different type of watcher/slayer relationship. I felt he shouldve talked to Buffy about Wood, but Giles never trusted Spike anyways.

Have to disagree with the Faith because she was different. She was the mature Faith that was Buffy's equal in way. Meaning she understood Buffy more. To me Faith's return gave closure to the very sisterly relationship the slayers had. On Angel it left a window open. It allowed none of the shippers to mad, but mad at other things lol. It was nice to see Buffy and Angel together again even if he was there for a little bit. and it led to a great crossover for Spike to appear on Angel's last season. If Spike wasnt there I dont know how season five would turn out. The way Angel walked out of the cemmentary reminded me of when we walked out of the alley in Welcome to the Hellmouth.

I think Wood served some purpose. He was the anti-Synder...I mean he was great as the principal, and had great chemistry w/ Eliza and Sarah. His character allowed a full circle for Spike's character, and we were able to see his mother. We always knew Spike had a kinder heart for his mother. And now we saw it and knew why. I liked that plot twist.

There is always bad points to any season of any tv series. I mean I love Smallville's season three but I didnt like how they neglected Pete's arc, and too much screen time to Clana. But overall it was a great season. There is not a whole lot of vamps shows besides Dark Shadows, Buffy, and Angel....unless I'm missing some lol. Everybody sees each season differently from the metaphors or the stories. That's just how I saw it.


Originally posted by kia



I think that's the problem. Season 1,2,3, and 6 where Whedon Seasons. The unexpected happen, everything was a metaphor for life, and the endings felt earned.

4,5, and 7 were Hollywood seasons. The good guys won because they were supposed to and because of their endless supplies of Deus Ex machines.

Which doesn't mean the shows were bad, I think Season 4 has the highest amount of Great Episodes, Season 5 though formulaic was fun to watch, and season 7... Well the last half of season 7 was crap, I don't think there's anything we can say to redeem it.


Interesting season 4 and 6 had the least involvement by Whedon, but he still okay scripts(putting his own touches on some) but still gave the duty to Marti Noxon. I loved season 7 it was a fun ride to watch, and one of reason there are many newbies to the Whedonverse. Season four to me was just leading to the last three seasons. Season five had the most continuity because Whedon and his writers had to stay right on the ball for those storylines. I loved all of them. I view BtVS as an entire story arc of Buffy Summers and her Scoobies.

EDIT: here's some more info on the commentary for The Grudge:
http://www.aqua68.com/grudge_forum/index.php?
In response to a question over at The Grudge board, Stephen Susco has listed the people who did the commentary... and it was pretty much everyone...

Apparently it was "actually quite a big group, all doing commentary at the same time: producers Sam Raimi and Rob Tapert, actors SMG, Jason Behr, Clea D., Kadee Strickland, Ted Raimi -- and [Stephen S.]."
Its cool that everybody had enough time to do the commentary...its fun when its group for movies. Reminds of The Goonies commentary :).

[KALS SON]

Yea mysticlies when can start one whos with me.

[Summers]

RESULTS ARE IN!!! and we ended up w/ a tie(If i counted wrong please correct me because there is reason why i have BA in history lol). These results come from couple pages back with the first vote by Kal w/ Conner:
BtVS(3-way tie):
Buffy-2 Willow-2 Spike-2
Faith-1
Wes-1
Anya-1

AtS:
Wes is the winner w/-2
Fred-1
Doyle-1
Conner-1
Lindsey-1
Cordy-1
Illyria-1

well, that's interesting lol.

[KALS SON]

YUp a bunch of ties lo.

[Summers]

EDIT:
Buffy news & misc.
Vincent article: http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15184

New Eliza pictures:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15105

Music video of Angel with Boulevard of Broken Dreams(I love this song):
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15112

New Michelle pics:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15112

Wallpaper: http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=14754

James's new movie he finished filming:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15072

3 clips of Sarah signing autographs for promoting The Grudge in the UK:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15043

[KALS SON]

Yea summers i read that article of vincent i think yesterday it was pretty good.

[Mysticlies]

Originally posted by Summers
RESULTS ARE IN!!! and we ended up w/ a tie(If i counted wrong please correct me because there is reason why i have BA in history lol). These results come from couple pages back with the first vote by Kal w/ Conner:
BtVS(3-way tie):
Buffy-2 Willow-2 Spike-2
Faith-1
Wes-1
Anya-1

AtS:
Wes is the winner w/-2
Fred-1
Doyle-1
Conner-1
Lindsey-1
Cordy-1
Illyria-1

well, that's interesting lol.

-what Anya Lost, that's it who rigged the system? :D Anyway what comical scenes of Buffy did you like the most? I don’t know but for some reason this scene was the first to come to mind: The time when Buffy lost her powers, and couldn’t get the jar to open, so she asked Xander, and then Xander ask Willow. There are so many others scenes.

[Summers]

oh, yea and Xan asks Will to help lol. I loved the Mummy hand it was so cute especially with the tongs. Anya and her fear of bunnies were classic. One line "I'm going to marry Spike"...need I say more for that episode. but there is a lot of scenes.

[Mysticlies]

I’ve got a theory
It could be bunnies
[crickets chirp]

I’ve got a--

Bunnies aren't just cute like everybody supposes
They got them hoppy legs and twitchy little noses
And what's with all the carrots?
What do they need such good eyesight for anyway?
Bunnies, bunnies
It must be bunniesspg

http://www.cappiness.net/btvs/season6/omwf/images/omwf036.jpg

[Spiked]

Ok, no one get mad. I finally saw the Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie with Kristy Swanson! About time right? I never got around to watch it. Me and my friend were at Wal-Mart and saw the movie for sale for $5. I mentioned I never saw it, she was so stunned that she bought it for me (a big Buffy/Angel fan herself lol). I found it pretty entertaining, more so than what some fans have said. Though I did miss the vampires going poof. :)


Originally posted by Summers
and yea Spiked has access, and awesome looking avi :).

Thanks Summers! :)

Btw, has anyone else noticed the slowness of the board? Wonder what's going on...

[Summers]

yea, it has been slow. It takes forever to get to one place to another. Sometimes it takes too long that the board will log me out sometimes lol, or I cant get back in. I noticed its somewhat faster at night.

Spiked, did you catch the cameo by Ben Affleck?

EDIT: list of features of Angel's Season Five DVD, and according to Amazon it comes out Feb.15th:
Disc 1:

"Conviction" (Part 1) - Commentary by Writer/Director Joss Whedon
Featurette: "Hey Kids! It's Smile Time!"
Disc 2:
"Destiny" - Commentary by Director Skip Schoolnik, Writers David Fury and Steven S. DeKnight and Juliet Landau.
Disc 3:
"Soul Purpose" - Commentary by Director / Actor David Boreanaz, Writer Brent Fletcher, Christian Kane
Disc 4:
"You're Welcome" - Commentary by Director / Actor David Fury, Christian Kane and Sarah Thompson
"A Hole In The World" - Commentary by Writer/Director Joss Whedon, Amy Acker, Alexis Denisof
Featurette: "Angel 100"
Disc 5:
"Underneath" - Commentary by Director Skip Schoolnik, Writer Elizabeth Craft, Writer Sarah Fain and Adam Baldwin
Featurette: "Angel: Choreography of a Stunt"
Disc 6:
"Not Fade Away" - Commentary by Co-Writer/Director Jeffrey Bell
Featurette: "Angel: The Final Season" (27:15)
Featurette: "To Live & Die in L.A.: The Best of Angel" (8:48)
Featurette: "Halos and Horns: Recurring Villainy" (9:22)
"Angel Unbound: The Gag Reels" (8:51)

[Summers]

here's a tearjerker music video for Angel's "I Will Remember You" by Sarah McLachlan's song "I Will Remember". ..she has an amazing voice and songwriter:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15077

[KALS SON]

Cool summers thanks alot.

[Summers]

here's some more news. Buffy's Season 7 dvd is still in the top 10 in dvd sales at number 9 :):
http://et.tv.yahoo.com/topten/movies/dvdsales/

[KALS SON]

I really can't believe she did that many seasons, Sarah i mean.

[Summers]

well, they all did her, Nicky, Aly, and Tony. But David did the most with eight. Well if we get technical 9, and everybody else 8 because they started filming Buffy on April 1996 when Sarah turned 19 while filming the pilot. So it was like 8 years for Sarah, and 9 years for David. That's a whole lot of years, but they went out with style :) and on to other projects.

[Mysticlies]

it's good to see both Buffy and Smallville in the top 10. by the way that site didn't say, how long have both of them been on the charts?

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
Spiked, did you catch the cameo by Ben Affleck?

Yep sure did, one of the basketball players.

Thanks for the info Summers!

[Summers]

Originally posted by Mysticlies
it's good to see both Buffy and Smallville in the top 10. by the way that site didn't say, how long have both of them been on the charts?

yea, I know :(. I know Buffy was in the top ten for a while...I think, but I dont know for sure. I try not to go my Amazon because that only goes by their site sales.

[KALS SON]

SO wait david has really been in the show for 3 years plus his own for 5 years.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by KALS SON
SO wait david has really been in the show for 3 years plus his own for 5 years.

Yep, Buffy seasons 1-3 and Angel seasons 1-5 which equal eight years.

[Summers]

whoa, my post was deleted or misplace for some reason. I said Sarah and the buffy cast played the part for 8 years since they started filming on April 1996(Sarah turned 19 during filming of Welcome to the Hellmouth), and David had an extra year for Angel's last year so he was 9 years total.

here's a link to old Buffy and Angel trailers of Life Serial and Fredless....aww the memories:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15319&PHPSESSID=c193d6c1f44b84222233d2506641fb81

[KALS SON]

No it hasn't summers i see it right now just to tell you.

[Summers]

oh wait, there it is your right Kal. k, I'm losing it lol. my mind is playing tricks on me.

[KALS SON]

lol it might be.

[DarthClark]

Maybe. Ill check into it.

[Summers]

the maganize Xpose listed their 25 episodes of Angel:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15349
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15426
Do you guys agree?
I have to say I dont. They shouldve put "I Will Remember You" in the top ten(or somewhere on that list), and its nowhere to be found :mad: . That is one of the best episodes from Angel.."Disharmony" does not belong that high. IMO "Destiny" should be somewhere too....its was an all out brawl between Spike and Angel which the fans(including me) was dying to see. Heck, my family and I made our bets on you would win. The TV Guide list was far more accurate IMO. And what about "Hero" when Doyle dies, and they just forgot about that one too :mad:...I cried my eyes out in IWRY and Hero...needless to say I dont agree with this list because too many excellent episodes were overlooked.

[KALS SON]

Yea i thought they should of had disharmony off the list and put in the episode where the beast first came. But summers what was i will remember you about i forgot.

[Summers]

Originally posted by KALS SON
But summers what was i will remember you about i forgot.

Remember it was the first time Buffy came to Angel in L.A. Angel became human for one day, and him and Buffy had the perfect day. But it wasnt meant to be he had to scarfice to be turn into a vampire, so Buffy and the rest of the world would be safe. It was in season one. To make his scarfice happen they would have to take back that one perfect day, and the downside is Buffy would never remember it but Angel would have to live with forever. At the very end:

Buffy: "How am I supposed to go on with my life knowing what we had? What we could have had?"
Angel: "You won't. No one will know but me."
Buffy: "Everything we did."
Angel: "It never happened."
Buffy shakes her head: "It did. It did. I know it did! (Puts her hand on his heart) I felt your heart beat."
Angel: "Buffy.."
They kiss. Buffy looks over at the clock. The minute is almost up.
Buffy: "No! Oh God. It's not enough time."
Angel is crying too now: "Shh, please. Please."
The hold each other tightly both crying.
Angel: "Please, please."
Buffy: "No. I'll never forget. I'll never forget. I'll never forget. I'll never forget."

It was such a tearjerker to watch that scene. It was a crossover night with Buffy's "Pangs" and Angel "I Will Remember You" on one night.

Good call, Kal "Acoplayse, Nowish" didnt make the list either :mad: . Probably one of the coolest action sequences on the Angel with the rooftop, and the Beast, rats, and dead birds. That was an awesome, exicting episode to watch.

[KALS SON]

Yea now i remember that was one of the best episodes ever with buffy coming back. But yea acoplayse Nowish was really good with the action and everything. But there was another episode where angel smack buffy do you remember that. Because she wouldn't let faith go.

[Summers]

Originally posted by KALS SON
Yea now i remember that was one of the best episodes ever with buffy coming back. But yea acoplayse Nowish was really good with the action and everything. But there was another episode where angel smack buffy do you remember that. Because she wouldn't let faith go.

Sactuary? I wouldnt put in the top 25 because they already have 5 by 5 in there. I remember that one, but if a newbie came to Angel they would have to see Buffy's parts of Season 3, "This Year's Girl", "Who Are You?", and "The Yoko Factor" too to get the whole entire perspective because there is so much history between Buffy, Faith, and Angel. There were many Angel fans who never saw those episodes, so they didnt know why Buffy was behaving in that matter. So many Buffy fans had to show why she was acting like that, and then you had to put in that Angel knew about Riley and Buffy moving on from Faith's info. Some people were in denial of it, and didnt want to acknowledge that she did in fact say sorry to Angel in "The Yoko Factor". In fact Angel and her both said sorry to each other. To me she every right to have revenge on Faith after what she did to her in season three and four, but then she wasnt seeing the change in Faith like Angel did. Faith really got her under her skin(she is the exact opposite of Buffy and one of the characters that truly understand her). But that is just my opinion on the subject, and to me one of the coolest story arcs every that spanned both series.

To me the Faith episodes 5 by 5 and Orpheus are presented, so I'm happy with that because they showed the transtition of Faith's character. I thought "Home" should be in it too. It was way better than Harm's Way. I dont way they put "Harm's Way" in there.

[KALS SON]

Yea home was a good episode to. The ending was pretty sad just seeing Angel look through the window and seeing connor with his new family so sad so sad lol.

[Summers]

I loved how cool the new Wolfram and Hart set looked like. It just transition itself for season five, and all the character had their own little section in the place.

[KALS SON]

Yea that was cool.

[DarthClark]

What are you guys talking about?

[KALS SON]

UMM buffy.

[nexgod]

Angel?

[KALS SON]

That to.

[DarthClark]

OK, then count me in too.

[vyperman7]

Man,

I can't believe that I will Remember You and Appocolypse Nowish did not make the list. Hero did not make it either.

I was happy to see that Guise will be Guise and the House Always Wins make it though.

Smile Time as the best episode ever?

[KALS SON]

I luv appocolypse Nowish just so much action.

[DarthClark]

What are you guys' favorite Season?

[KALS SON]

Of what?

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by DarthClark219
What are you guys' favorite Season?

Buffy the Vampire Slayer - Season Three

Angel - Season Four (Haven't seen season five yet)

[KALS SON]

O umm
Angel season 4
Buffy season 3

[Spiked]

Buffy - Season Five

Angel - Season Four

[SailorV]

Buffy - season 2

Angel - season 4

[Summers]

Originally posted by vyperman7

Smile Time as the best episode ever?

that was kinda weird too huh? However, IMO it does belong in the top ten. It was a fanastic episode, and so darn funny. But I wouldnt put it number one.


Originally posted by DarthClark219
What are you guys' favorite Season?

Buffy: Season 5

Angel: Season 2

runners up: all the rest of the seasons of both series

[KALS SON]

Yea I thought it was weird to.

[greenshady]

Angel - Season 3 (haven't seen Season 5)
Buffy - It's hard to decide, I'll have to rewatch Season 7 at least once more to make a decision. I have to give it the same screen time I've gave the other seasons.

[Mysticlies]

Originally posted by greenshady
Angel - Season 3 (haven't seen Season 5)
Buffy - It's hard to decide, I'll have to rewatch Season 7 at least once more to make a decision. I have to give it the same screen time I've gave the other seasons.

Season 5 is great, you should defiently watch it, the last episode was also very great

[Summers]

Originally posted by Mysticlies
Season 5 is great, you should defiently watch it, the last episode was also very great

definitely agree. I was debating which one should I put Season Two or Five for Angel. But season five was an awesome ride to watch, and I cant wait until Feburary for the dvd. I would rank the Angel seasons:
(1)S2
(2)S5
(3)S3
(4)S1
(5)S4

[KALS SON]

Sorry this is off topic but wouldn't be crazy if buffy had a kid just like angel.

[Summers]

Originally posted by KALS SON
Sorry this is off topic but wouldn't be crazy if buffy had a kid just like angel.

well, technically Dawn is her child since she was made out of her blood. they go back and forth of sisters, and mother and daugther relationships. The only three differences is that:
-Dawn's a girl
-and doesnt have superhuman strength
-she is more of a book person

I saw this fanart of Conner and Dawn together...too cute:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/show_image.php?url=http://www.slayerverse.net/images/misc/2004-12/20041204_223859.jpg

[KALS SON]

WOW thats awesome fanart.

[greenshady]

Originally posted by Mysticlies
Season 5 is great, you should defiently watch it, the last episode was also very great
Yeah, I've heard it's really great. I'll definitely be getting it come Feb.

[KALS SON]

Your also write about the whole dawn thing summers to.

[Summers]

I saw these Buffy comics at the smgboard.com. That are cute, and some are actually a little funny:
http://img91.exs.cx/img91/8563/19wn.jpg
http://img109.exs.cx/img109/3928/20il.jpg
http://img31.exs.cx/img31/4827/37pz.jpg
http://img109.exs.cx/img109/4522/45au.jpg
http://img31.exs.cx/img31/1962/53ei.jpg
http://img82.exs.cx/img82/763/65xk.jpg
http://img82.exs.cx/img82/6069/77pl.jpg


Buffy - Bluffy
Xander - Blander
Willow - Willies
Giles - Goulies
Dawn - Drawn
Anya - Annoyer
Angel - Hairangel
Spike - Spite

And here's some more-
http://img111.exs.cx/img111/3537/86gd.jpg
http://img34.exs.cx/img34/2973/97ad1.jpg
http://img34.exs.cx/img34/1959/106qw.jpg
http://img82.exs.cx/img82/7954/114is.jpg
http://img66.exs.cx/img66/5066/127bk.jpg
http://img40.exs.cx/img40/858/137lg.jpg
http://img66.exs.cx/img66/4507/143eh.jpg
http://img122.exs.cx/img122/8352/159al.jpg
http://img79.exs.cx/img79/5416/165qy.jpg
http://img79.exs.cx/img79/1843/170mx.jpg

[Summers]

ever read something that leaves you w/ a "duh" look on your face. I came across some interesting continuity on another site today, that made me go "oh, yea that's right. why didnt I see it sooner".

Remember in the Buffy episode "Restless" w/ Buffy dream where she puts the mud on her face from a brown bag:
http://www.buffyworld.com/buffy/season4/vidcaps/78b_55.jpg

that's the same bag Principal Wood's had that he kept from his mother. that showed how slayers came to be:
http://www.cappiness.net/btvs/season7/getitdone/pages/getitdone026.htm

I thought that was an awesome continuity that I never noticed until now, and it makes perfect sense for it to be the same bag. There are little surprises and references everywhere in the Buffyverse.

[KALS SON]

Cool was this a diffrent site you just found summers.

[Summers]

I saw it at www.slayage.com. One of the editorial articles by Daniel Elsberg(sp?) I read there made a comment on the bag. And I couldnt believe it...like know wonder that bag seemed similar. I just couldnt place it lol. I just love buffyverse trivia. you really do learn something new everyday :).

[KALS SON]

Yea you do i just went on the site a couple of minutes ago. I just luv that site.

[Summers]

here's a look back at the seven seasons of Buffy from main cast pictures to screencaps of certain episodes....it'll make you go awww:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15683&PHPSESSID=3cff881fb3b5579e184ebb797a7eb24f

[Summers]

I dont if you guys heard the extended version of Angel's theme song, but you can listen to it here:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15712

[KALS SON]

Cool thanks.

[nexgod]

Originally posted by Summers
here's a look back at the seven seasons of Buffy from main cast pictures to screencaps of certain episodes....it'll make you go awww:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15683&PHPSESSID=3cff881fb3b5579e184ebb797a7eb24f


:eek:

i <3 you

[Jono]

haha thats cool Summers. thats really great continuity hu?! wow.

Well i was never a buffy fan till the show was acctualy over. my friend made me take home his season 1 box set, and well i watched it.. then season2 and last week i just finnished watchin season 7... its a great show that im glad i found.. even if it was 2 years after it finnished...

Its weird a show that some other people watched over 7 years i watched in less than a yeah lmao... haha weird hu.

[Spiked]

That's what makes DVD's so great. A show could have ended years ago but you're still able to pick up a set and watch the show over again. :)

[greenshady]

Yep, without DVD's I would have been stuck without getting to see Season 6 and 7 of Buffy, and a lot of Angel. So, Thank You, whoever you are, that invented this truly wonderful thing called DVD Box Sets.

[KALS SON]

Well i can't wait until next year when angel season 5 comes out.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Jono
haha thats cool Summers. thats really great continuity hu?! wow.

Well i was never a buffy fan till the show was acctualy over. my friend made me take home his season 1 box set, and well i watched it.. then season2 and last week i just finnished watchin season 7... its a great show that im glad i found.. even if it was 2 years after it finnished...

Its weird a show that some other people watched over 7 years i watched in less than a yeah lmao... haha weird hu.

that's great. I hope they werent too spolierish for you since some were from the other seasons you havent watched yet :). but I hear all the time how people are buying the Buffy dvds, and just love the show. Which IMO what's great about dvds, records, and historical documents. You can just go back. Heck, all the dvds and books I get of anything I cherish.


Originally posted by nexgod
:eek:

i <3 you

and HAPPY BIRTHDAY NEXGOD!!!!! I hope you have a great b-day :)


Originally posted by KALS SON
Well i can't wait until next year when angel season 5 comes out.

that's marked on my calander, and then that's it. No more Buffy or Angel's to collect......:(.

[KALS SON]

I know i going to miss collecting them each year though.

[Summers]

I'm in the christmas spirit, well that and I just watched the Buffy christma episode Amends on FX. So I found this the Mutant Enemy logo w/ a santa cap on:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15377
he so cute w/ the little hat lol. You can kinda hear the jingle bells in the background. I havent watched that episode in a long time. I love when we see flashback in the 1800s, and seeing The First for the first time. It freaked me out when it transform in the underground....wasnt expecting that.

[KALS SON]

Has anybody watched angel today at five.

[Summers]

I havent. Not enough time in the day. I think they are in season two though. Darla was just turned by Dru.

[KALS SON]

Yea watch the one today angel just fired wesley and them.

[nexgod]

thanks summers, you rock :D

[KALS SON]

She shore does lol.

[Summers]

lol, you guys are sweet. now on to the buffy news...Lycos search engine released the top 10 shows that were search in 2004:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15746
The Top 10 List of 2004 is:
Top Television Shows of 2004:
1) American Idol
2) Survivor
3) The Simpsons
4) Big Brother
5) South Park
6) Charmed
7) Buffy the Vampire Slayer
8) Friends
9) JAG
10) Smallville

Buffy is still in the top 10 after two years off the air :). Now that's awesome :)

Some more Buffy trivia. Remember the Angel episode in season four when Faith makes her apperance in the prison in the episode "Salvage". Remember the woman who tried to attack her in the prison w/ the Bringers's knife:
http://www.screencap-paradise.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Angel_413&id=PDVD_085

That is the same woman who was an assasin(sp?) from the Order of Tracka in Buffy's season two episodes 'What's My Line Part 1 and 2" in the police officer uniform:
http://www.screencap-paradise.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Buf_210wml2&id=WML2_229

I guess she got caught, or The First really manlipuated her mind.

[Summers]

a rare outtake from "I Only Have Eyes For You" w/ Sarah and David:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15431

[nexgod]

wow cool thanks!

[KALS SON]

COOL Thanks summers.

[Summers]

here's a trailer for Michelle(Dawnie)'s new movie called The Ice Princess made by Disney:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15745

[VersesBatman]

Originally posted by Summers
lol, you guys are sweet. now on to the buffy news...Lycos search engine released the top 10 shows that were search in 2004:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15746
The Top 10 List of 2004 is:
Top Television Shows of 2004:
1) American Idol
2) Survivor
3) The Simpsons
4) Big Brother
5) South Park
6) Charmed
7) Buffy the Vampire Slayer
8) Friends
9) JAG
10) Smallville

Buffy is still in the top 10 after two years off the air :). Now that's awesome :)

Some more Buffy trivia. Remember the Angel episode in season four when Faith makes her apperance in the prison in the episode "Salvage". Remember the woman who tried to attack her in the prison w/ the Bringers's knife:
http://www.screencap-paradise.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Angel_413&id=PDVD_085

That is the same woman who was an assasin(sp?) from the Order of Tracka in Buffy's season two episodes 'What's My Line Part 1 and 2" in the police officer uniform:
http://www.screencap-paradise.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Buf_210wml2&id=WML2_229

I guess she got caught, or The First really manlipuated her mind.
Of course, TV Guide had Buffy listed in their top 20 cult classics.

[KALS SON]

I don't think that movie will last.

[DarthClark]

I will start to post the quote of the week every week, Todays is, "Like any of that's enough to fight the Dark Master...bator."
Xander, in full "servant of evil"mode tries to cover a slip of the tongue...and later...

"I wouldn't jump to conclusions about the Unholy Prince...bator."

[KALS SON]

That would be cool.

[DarthClark]

What would be cool?

[Summers]

Originally posted by DarthClark219
I will start to post the quote of the week every week, Todays is, "Like any of that's enough to fight the Dark Master...bator."
Xander, in full "servant of evil"mode tries to cover a slip of the tongue...and later...

"I wouldn't jump to conclusions about the Unholy Prince...bator."

I love that quote. I couldnt stop laughing after I heard it, and to this day everytime I hear the word "master" I also think of Xander's line lol.

[DarthClark]

LOL, Im glad you liked it lol. I got alot memorized.

[Summers]

there is some quotes that are just part of my vocablury now, such as "insane troll logic" which was just used twice in the whole series.

btw, Darth I tried PMing you back but your inbox is full.

[DarthClark]

Hmm. I cleaned it out this morning. Hold on.

[KALS SON]

I don't know darth clark i was bored lol.

[DarthClark]

lol, Well Summers My Inbody is empty try again.

[Summers]

hmm....I got the same thing. Try cleaning out your "sent" files in your private messages. Sometimes i forget to clean those out.

[KALS SON]

Hey congrats summers 4000.

[DarthClark]

Yeah congrats and I will.

There Summers I cleaned it out.

But Im leaving Ill ttyl. Bye

[Summers]

k, it was sent fine.

thanks guys :). I was bound in determine to be 4000 posts before xmas. The word "groupie" next to my name seemed odd, and kinda funny.

[KALS SON]

SEE you later darth clark. Yea it does summers put thats ok lol.

[Slumber87]

Originally posted by Summers
I'm in the christmas spirit, well that and I just watched the Buffy christma episode Amends on FX. So I found this the Mutant Enemy logo w/ a santa cap on:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15377
he so cute w/ the little hat lol. You can kinda hear the jingle bells in the background. I havent watched that episode in a long time. I love when we see flashback in the 1800s, and seeing The First for the first time. It freaked me out when it transform in the underground....wasnt expecting that.

Hey do you know where i could get that pic. Its no longer on the site. Thanks . :)

[DarthClark]

What picture are you looking for?

[Slumber87]

Originally posted by DarthClark219
What picture are you looking for?

The one with the Mutant Enemy logo with a santa cap on.:)

[DarthClark]

Ill search. Im not saying Ill find it but Ill try!

[Slumber87]

Originally posted by DarthClark219
Ill search. Im not saying Ill find it but Ill try!

Thats cool, no need to break a sweat. ;)

[DarthClark]

Ok, I wont lol.

[KALS SON]

Hey have any of you watch Angel.

[Summers]

here's some caps my friend made:
http://fall.my-happy-ending.com/random/PDVD_000.BMP

http://fall.my-happy-ending.com/random/PDVD_001.BMP

http://fall.my-happy-ending.com/random/PDVD_002.BMP

Joss Whedon to direct Wonder Woman according to TV Guide:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15922
Now I think this one is true because I heard on FoxNews that Joss is set to direct the film. Like always the Buffyverse fans make a big deal on who they want to be in it. Some people are duking it out over Sarah or Charisma.

IMO it doesnt matter to me as long as Wonder Women's story is done right. Which is all I want.

[Slumber87]

Originally posted by DarthClark219
Ok, I wont lol.


Look, you dont need to anyways! :)


Originally posted by Summers
here's some caps my friend made:
http://fall.my-happy-ending.com/random/PDVD_000.BMP

http://fall.my-happy-ending.com/random/PDVD_001.BMP

http://fall.my-happy-ending.com/random/PDVD_002.BMP



Thanks for those. Very appreciated. :)

[Summers]

Your Welcome Slumber :).

here's an outtake from Prophecy Girl w/ Aly messing up lol:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=16000

Last week the magazine Xpose did their Angel 25 episode list w/ noticeable episodes left out. A while back the same magazine did their own Buffy 25 episode list:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15940
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15984

My favorites are in on their list, but I wouldnt put Prophecy Girl that high. I would put it if it was my own top 10 list(I usually pick two greats per season when I do my list to be fair). It just seems to high, but should be in there. I love it :). IMO "Lie To Me" and "A New Man" shouldnt be in there. I would rather put Superstar and This Year's Girl/Who Are You in there instead, but that's just me.

what are your opinions of Xpose top 25 Buffy episodes?

[Slumber87]

Why isnt "Zeppo" in there! Or "Dirty Girls"!
As you can tell i'm a Xander fan. :)

[Summers]

good call. There really isnt a whole lot of Xander-centric ones :(. How about "Potential"? True, it was about Dawn, but his speech at the end is just terrific. I cry everytime.

[Slumber87]

Originally posted by Summers
good call. There really isnt a whole lot of Xander-centric ones :(. How about "Potential"? True, it was about Dawn, but his speech at the end is just terrific. I cry everytime.

Yes! I wanted to say Potential . I've heard that speach 3 times this week and its so good. I like how it foreshadows the incident to come with Xander and his "Seeing". Showing Xander is the backbone of the gang and is the humanity inside of Buffy. He keeps her grounded. I love it.

[Spiked]

The news about Joss writing and directing Wonder Woman is great, though I hope he chooses the right actress. I don't see Sarah pulling it off for the fact that she's so tiny and doesn't resemble what Wonder Woman is suppose to be. Charisma is not a bad choice though not my top one. I think the best actress that can make a great Wonder Woman is Catherine Zeta-Jones. I'll definitely keep an eye out for more news.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Slumber87
Yes! I wanted to say Potential . I've heard that speach 3 times this week and its so good. I like how it foreshadows the incident to come with Xander and his "Seeing". Showing Xander is the backbone of the gang and is the humanity inside of Buffy. He keeps her grounded. I love it.

So true. I like how they gave each Scooby gang member a quality that represents the group. I mean there is a reason Xander is the Heart of the group :). I'm glad Xpose had the excellent episodes because on Angel they neglected many. However, I wished they put in "Grave". It was so endearing to see Xander save the day w/ his yellow crayon speech. And we see Willow's revert back to red. "I love crayon breaking Willow, and dark veiny Willow"....so, so sweet. Instead they put in Lover's Walk. I do love "Lover's Walk", but its just not has up there as Grave is.


Originally posted by Spiked
The news about Joss writing and directing Wonder Woman is great, though I hope he chooses the right actress. I don't see Sarah pulling it off for the fact that she's so tiny and doesn't resemble what Wonder Woman is suppose to be. Charisma is not a bad choice though not my top one. I think the best actress that can make a great Wonder Woman is Catherine Zeta-Jones. I'll definitely keep an eye out for more news.

I dont know why, but I see Sarah more of a Supergirl type or Shadowcat lol....but she is a great actress. Jones is an excellent choice. IMO the actress should be last, and the script should be concentrated first. I mean this is the first ever Wonder Woman on the big screen, so its never been done. I just want it done right.

[KALS SON]

I been gone for while what have you'll been talking bout?

[Summers]

on the previous page I posted Xpose top 25 Buffy episodes, and Joss directing the new Wonder Woman movie.

[KALS SON]

Ok cool.

Hey guys i was watching roswell today and they were copying off of angel. Let me tell you how, well see max the leader had a kid with this other alien. Such as angel having a kid with another vampire. So then the mother was evil and in angel darla was evil. Then max gave away the baby because he wanted it to give the baby a better life because the baby was human. Such as angel haveing to give connor up to holtz and connor being a human with powers. So do you see the similarities.

[Summers]

yea, I do but I dont think they were on purpose because Roswell's last season aired the same time as Angel's season four. I think it was mere concidence because both shows were airing each other's son arcs at the same time.

[KALS SON]

Ook i thought they were trying to copy or somthing lol.

[Summers]

yea, at first I thought you were right, then I had to think minute what year Roswell went off the air, and Angel's season four was. Its just a concidence lol.

[KALS SON]

LOL i guess so.

[DarthClark]

Originally posted by Summers
yea, at first I thought you were right, then I had to think minute what year Roswell went off the air, and Angel's season four was. Its just a concidence lol.

Hahaha you watch to much TV!

Kidding

[Summers]

Originally posted by DarthClark219
Hahaha you watch to much TV!

Kidding

lol. I dont anymore. When Buffy moved to UPN Roswell went with it, and followed it on the same night. Which happened to be Roswell's last season. I use to watch Dawson's Creek, Buffy, Angel, and Roswell. And not so much. I still catch reruns of them, but on primetime I catch some Lost now and then. I loved Dead Like Me, and now they cancel that too. So not so much anymore. But I still watch my cartoons :).

[leeanachs07]

Ok, i have a confession to make. back in 7th grade i got obsesed w/ this show. i watched it daily over and over and was in love w/ david boreanaz. then in 8th grade i still loved it and then started like james marsters. ...then in 9th grade i was still loving it up untill about half way through 9th grade. then i stopped watching it ..a few month ago i turned it on just for the hell of it ..and i couldnt stand it anymore. i cant watch it anymore, iv seen every eppy ..and now i hate it. Uhggg. it got me so mad bc i blew soo much money on Buffy stuff and now i hate it.

just warning you guys ...dont go overboard w/ the show ...bc eventually you might hate the show as well.

[Summers]

I dont see anything wrong with that, however; that depends on the person. I mean Buffy is getting more fans than ever w/ the dvds out these days, and many people wished they watch the show when it aired. I use to love 90210, but now I just hate it. I actually hate many Aaron Spelling shows now.

But I dont see myself ever hating this show, Angel, Avonela, or Smallville. Buffy was the first show I could actually relate to, and didnt treat the audience as morons. It was the first show that I can see beyond an attractive cast. It wasnt because the cast was cute or hot. It was about the stories I can relate to in their metaphorical manner. My sister and I use to just drive each other nuts(heck, sometimes we still do lol), but we just bonded over the season five. We bonded so much w/ the Buffy and Dawn arc that I occasionally call her "Dawnie" now. However, hating a show after you watch it is quite normal, but I dont see myself personally hating this show, Angel, Avonela, or Smallville ever.

[Spiked]

Buffy is considered one of the best shows to ever grace on television along with Angel. I couldn't see myself ever disliking a show with such awesome writing.

[KALS SON]

Yea i got to agree but Angel is my favorite out of both buffy and angel.

[Summers]

Well, Christmas Eve is coming upon us and family traditions at home begin that day. So I probably will not be on, or next week. If I am it will be to pop in once and while. I would like to wish everybody here in the thread HAPPY HOLIDAYS!!!!

So see you either next week(depending), or next year in the year of 2005 :).

Here's some xmas fanart from "Amends":
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15998

[KALS SON]

Thanks!!!!!! summers and also HAPPY Holidays to you to !!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

[Spiked]

Merry Christmas Summers! Have a blessed holiday! :)

[Summers]

Since its not Christmas Eve yet. I'm popping in for some end of the year news.

On Netscape their Top Ten Hottest Celebs of 2004 of this year include Sarah..who they rank as number 3 on their list:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=16098&PHPSESSID=36affb29642ebe652f9ee4761d621029

Kal, here's a music video of Angel and his son:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=16039

So Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night :).

[DarthClark]

Originally posted by KALS SON
Thanks!!!!!! summers and also HAPPY Holidays to you to !!!!!!!!!!!!!!.


Happy Holidays to you too KAL SON, and Summers and evreybody else.

[KALS SON]

You to Darthclark!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DarthClark]

Thank you, Sorry to go off topic!

[KALS SON]

Your welcome, i believe we can do it just this once lol.

[DarthClark]

LOL Well as long as I dont get banned or something ;). Anyways Im going to tell the quote of the week tomarrow on Christmas because it's going to be pretty sad: Topic= Xander talking to Willow when she's evil saying he loves her. Thats it, thats all, Ill tell you tomarrow.

[Spiked]

ET.UK had a top 50 list of their "feelgood films" and Buffy the Vampire Slayer's Once More, With Feeling ranked #7!:


10 TOY STORY (1995) Pixar’s computerised animations came of age with this blockbuster, but the technological wizardry would have fallen flat without a great script, Randy Newman’s bittersweet songs, or the unforgettable voice-performance of Tim Allen as Buzz Lightyear.

9 A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH (1946) In the same year that It’s a Wonderful Life boosted postwar moods, Powell and Pressburger offered their own whimsical take on the heaven/earth debate. An RAF pilot (David Niven) cheats certain death, falls for an American and argues for his life before a celestial court in a cosmic romance commissioned by the Ministry of Information to bolster Anglo-American relations.

8 GREASE (1978)

The ultimate in musical wish fulfilment, Randal Kleiser’s extravaganza cartwheeled the seedy 1970s into the feel-good 1950s. Even the cast were transported back in time — 29-year-old Olivia Newton-John worried she was too old to play a high-school student, but Stockard Channing was 34. John Travolta (above, with Newton-John), meanwhile, secured his leading role only after Henry “Fonz” Winkler turned it down. The Fonz, apparently, didn ’t want to be typecast.



7 BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER: ONCE MORE WITH FEELING (Season 6 DVD, 2002) How many TV shows feature demons turning your favourite characters into all-singing, all dancing puppets? The lyrics, in which Buffy and pals reveal the skeletons in their closets, display a dark subtext, but you’ve gotta love the chirpy tunes.


6 AMÉLIE (2001) Who said that Gallic cinema was all about Gitanes-wreathed pontification? French intellectuals carped at the quirkiness of Jean-Pierre Jeunet’s Montmartre, but Audrey Tautou’s eccentric, philanthropic mademoiselle could warm the frostiest of cockles.


5 THE ROCKY HORROR PICTURE SHOW (1975) Nearly 30 years on, Richard O’Brien’s musical paean to polymorphous perversity and B-movie pastiche still inspires wild audience participation (www.singalonga.com): rice thrown in the wedding scene, toast when Frank N. Furter proposes a toast. Where are they now? Frank, Brad and Janet all became stars (Tim Curry best in Muppet Treasure Island and Home Alone 2; Barry Bostwick in Spin City; and Susan Sarandon a truly A-list Oscar-winner); Nell set up her own New York nightclub; Riff-Raff presented Crystal Maze. And the muscular monster Rocky? He’s now an antiques dealer in England. Singing: “Don’t dream it . . . be it.”

4 CINEMA PARADISO (1990) Cheering, laughing, crying, jeering: the Sicilian cinemagoers in Giuseppe Tornatore’s fable are our sweetest demonstration of the power of the silver screen. What would they have been like if the town priest had not forced Alfredo the projectionist to remove the love scenes? Add Marco Leonardi’s cute juvenile cinephile and you have a throat-tightening arthouse landmark.


3 STRICTLY BALLROOM (1992) This fantastically camp updating of the Ugly Duckling tale, about a renegade ballroom dancer, is the first in Baz Luhrmann’s Red Curtain trilogy. It lacks the sweep of its later sisters (Romeo and Juliet and Moulin Rouge!), but then, the budget was more Oz than Hollywood. Worth watching for the sculpted hairstyles alone.


2 THE OFFICE XMAS SPECIAL (2003)* It’s all about the contrast. The last episode was shaping up to be another exercise in excruciating naturalism. Until Dawn opens Tim’s secret gift and its message to “never give up” her creative aspirations, and returns to deliver the snog that he (and we) had doubted would ever happen. It still sends shivers down the spine.

1 IT’S A WONDERFUL LIFE (1946) For a much-loved family classic, It’s a Wonderful Life is the most brutal of Cinderella stories. Divine intervention saves James Stewart from suicide, but only to persuade him to resume his life as before, trapped in small-town America.

Merry Christmas everyone! :)

[KALS SON]

Hey so whats to talk about today people.

[Summers]

Popping in lol. Cool OMWF is in their rank :) thanks Spiked.

On slayerverse they have some Buffy trivia on the episode Spiral:
Fights in the episode Spiral

The opening scene of the episode Spiral shows Buffy and Dawn getting away from Glory quite easily. Buffy writer Steven DeKnight told about the beginning of that episode...

“As a matter of fact, in the first draft of the outline for that script, the opening action scene where Buffy is trying to escape from Glory with Dawn, was massive. It was a ten minute long escape scene. Buffy gets smacked into a tree a hundred feet away, she ends up beating Glory with a sheared off lamp pole, there was big, big action. Joss read it and said “This is great, this is wonderful, Kubrick couldn’t film this in 20 days with five million dollars, so cut everything". I’m like “Great, okay, that’s fine, as long as I get the Knights chasing the Winnebago"".

here's some excellent fanart w/ episode The Gift, Lover's Walk, and Seeing Red(w/ Xander and Buffy hugging)...they were so good I'm saving in my yahoo gallary:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=16174&PHPSESSID=36affb29642ebe652f9ee4761d621029

while back I posted back an outtake from "I Only Have Eyes For You", and here's in another one from the same episode by David:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=15994
These outtakes form IOHEFY are not on the Buffy dvds.

Edit: info on Tru Calling and Wonder Woman form Eonline:
The latest news about Tru Calling and the Wonder Woman movie

Kristin, will Tru Calling return?
Actually, I asked Gail Berman about that at the 24 DVD release party. She said that for the time being, they are putting Point Pleasant--new show from Buffy executive producer Marti Noxon--on Thursday nights after The O.C. but that "we expect to air Tru Calling at some point in this season." Personally, though, and sadly, I think you should not hold your breath.

Have you heard that Joss Whedon has being approached about making a Wonder Woman movie? And apparently both Sarah Michelle Gellar and Charisma Carpenter are up for the role.
Yes, and honestly, I can think of nothing better on this little planet they call Earth. I'm obsessed with Joss, Wonder Woman and, of course, Sarah Michelle Gellar and Charisma Carpenter. Put them all together and it might be too much goodness to handle, no? Anyhoodle, word is Joss is in final talks with Warner Bros. to write and direct the movie, and I for one am holding my breath and wearing my Wonder Woman Underoos for luck.

[KALS SON]

Thanks summers hope you pop in some where this week.

[truemeathead]

Buffy is the lamest show ever followed by Angel.

[Spiked]

A flamer. How pathetic. Sorry you don't have anything else better to do truemeathead. :rolleyes:

[VersesBatman]

Or at least have some good reasons to explain why you think the show is lame. We don't have to agree with them, but it's better than just coming on and saying they are lame.

[Mysticlies]

Originally posted by truemeathead
Buffy is the lamest show ever followed by Angel.
-what....who said that.....how could anyone say that -lol there not bad shows just give them a chance, and trust me you'll fall in love with them:D

[truemeathead]

Originally posted by VersesBatman
Or at least have some good reasons to explain why you think the show is lame. We don't have to agree with them, but it's better than just coming on and saying they are lame.

I just don't find it appealing I've seen alot of the shows but never could get myself to sit through a whole ep. Like the graduation ep where the whole world is about to end then a whole bunch of the graduating class is fighting demons, come on dude we all know if that were to happen everyone would bounce out of there with a quickness. Although I think Willow is hot and isn't she a lesbian if so that is the best thing about the show.

I could be wrong but from what I gathered about Angel isn't he like a vampire for hire for good. That is lame I like the girl Charisma Carpenter but other than that I think they are lame sorry if that is considered FLAMING but that is my opinion and I'm sure some of you guys think All In The Family is lame or punk rawk but I wouldn't call you guys flamers and say that I have nothing better to do because obviously none of us have anything better to do or we wouldn't be posting on a wb show website. So chill out guys and flamer is a harsh word if you think of what it means in a real world sense. Any who In my opinion Buffy is lame so is Angel but if you guys are here you probably like Smallville just like me so we have at least one thing in common-peace.

[dado_uk]

Buffy will always rule!!!
I made a clip of me dustin a vamp [me]... to all those buffy fans that are interested u can download it here

Save As (http://www.angelfire.com/ok5/dado0604/DtVS.wmv)

[KALS SON]

BUFFY AND ANGEL RULE ALL DAY WITH SMALLVILLE. DADO uk i downloading it right now thanks.

[dado_uk]

im suprised, they posted my vid on the buffy.nu website :)

[KALS SON]

Thats cool that they did uk.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by truemeathead
...sorry if that is considered FLAMING but that is my opinion...

It is considered flaming because all you did was call the show lame, giving no reason to why you think it is nor backing it up. Next time you want to share your opinion at least put some effort into it.

[KALS SON]

Hey spike just forget bout it lets get back on subject with OUR shows. So have you gotten any of the seasons of Angel or buffy that just came out. I just got season 1 and 2 of angel from my little sis for christmas but how bout you.

[Spiked]

I received Buffy season seven and Angel season one on DVD. Very excited about it. :)

[KALS SON]

Yea i just got finish with season 1 of Angel.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by KALS SON
Yea i just got finish with season 1 of Angel.

Awesome, I've never seen a full episode of Angel season one nor for that fact through season three. I only started to watch Angel during it's fourth season run.

[KALS SON]

Cool that means you met my favorite chracter connor lol.

[Jennut]

Favorite character - Spike and Anya

Favorite romance - Spike / Buffy

Favorite Villan - Faith and Angelus it's a tie

What are your favorite seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer?
Season 1 : good- introduction was good, plot was good

Season 2 very good-buffy and angel relationship was great, the whole angel becoming evil was even greater. buffy having to kill angel was just the best.

Season 3 great- I loved the whole Faith vs. Buffy thing

didn't like season 4. I hated the whole Riley/military/adam/spike with a chip in the head/ willow going gay/and pretty much everything in this season.

Season 5 very good- Glory was a great villianess, I loved the whole Dawn is the key/gotta protect her from Glory thing.

Season 6 so so - it was kind of a waste of time, the villians were good,. the only thing i liked about it was the Spike/Buffy thing

Season 7 good- I liked how they finised it off by battling the Big Bad.

I have to say that the Season 2 season finale was the best though. The whole saving angel but then having to send him to hell. Good stuff.

Buffy or Angel?? Buffy hands down. Angel couldn't become what Buffy was not even close

[KALS SON]

Not even close what do you mean. Angel just didn't have the romance like buffy but it did have the action maybe more then buffys besides the extra two seasons buffy had then Angel.

[VersesBatman]

Who has the "Once more with feeling" soundtrack? I do!

[Spiked]

Originally posted by VersesBatman
Who has the "Once more with feeling" soundtrack? I do!

Yay! I've got it as well. I still listen to it all the time. And Sacrifice (from "The Gift"), ah, gets me all teary. :)

[KALS SON]

Hey guys look at my angel avatar you like.

[Spiked]

Awesome new avi KALS SON!

[KALS SON]

THANKS SPIKE SPg made it for me.

[dado_uk]

ive got "once more with feeling" dvd signed by ASH and Amber Benson :D - for free

[Summers]

Originally posted by truemeathead
I just don't find it appealing I've seen alot of the shows but never could get myself to sit through a whole ep. Like the graduation ep where the whole world is about to end then a whole bunch of the graduating class is fighting demons, come on dude we all know if that were to happen everyone would bounce out of there with a quickness. Although I think Willow is hot and isn't she a lesbian if so that is the best thing about the show.

I could be wrong but from what I gathered about Angel isn't he like a vampire for hire for good. That is lame I like the girl Charisma Carpenter but other than that I think they are lame sorry if that is considered FLAMING but that is my opinion and I'm sure some of you guys think All In The Family is lame or punk rawk but I wouldn't call you guys flamers and say that I have nothing better to do because obviously none of us have anything better to do or we wouldn't be posting on a wb show website. So chill out guys and flamer is a harsh word if you think of what it means in a real world sense. Any who In my opinion Buffy is lame so is Angel but if you guys are here you probably like Smallville just like me so we have at least one thing in common-peace.

Popping in again. I just had to respond by saying both Buffy and Angel are metaphorical based. And there are people who dont like shows like that which is fine. The Graduation was about going to the next chapter in a person life, and the entire Sunnydale body was about that. The Mayor speech is one of the themes of the show. And I wouldnt recommend the episode to a newbie viewer of the show because there is so much continuity and foreshadowing a newbie could be confused. but it was about moving on to greater things. Buffy is by far the most relatable show in tv, and didnt treat the audience as morons. It didnt neglect the supporting characters like Smallville does, and the progressing stories allowed the cast to improve their acting skills which they use later in their acting careers. How can you say a show is lame, and not even understand what it means? Its like saying Smallville is lame because they have Lex and Clark meeting together. Some people dont give a show a chance. However, Buffy and Angel is actually analysized by college professour, religious theologists, media analysists, and anybody else. Its so widespread that its has its one termnology, such as "Buffyologist" and the Buffyverse. Its probably your not cup of tea which is fine, but Buffy/Angel is more looking under the surface. The demons and vamps are just window dressing while the metaphors and story arcs are the substance of the show. It was the first show that I saw that I to look beyond an attractive cast. An attractive cast doesnt mean everything....it helps, but the writing, acting, directing are the most important IMO. But there really is no credibility when a person says "i havent watched a show all the way through" or "I really dont know what this show is about". Those arent legit reasons of credibility. If you dont like it fine, but a heck of a lot of people do.


Originally posted by KALS SON
Not even close what do you mean. Angel just didn't have the romance like buffy but it did have the action maybe more then buffys besides the extra two seasons buffy had then Angel.

really? I thought they were kinda balanced in both their action and romance. I was listening to the "Lessons" commentary and Joss was saying the action is always the first thing to go which is true when you think about it. Which is the balancing act of it all. Angel had more slow-motion and bullet time to their action compared to Buffy. She was more gymnastic and street fighting. There is difference because there needed to be a difference between the two shows.


Originally posted by Spiked
I received Buffy season seven and Angel season one on DVD. Very excited about it. :)

nice :)....your dvd will be busy for a while lol.


Originally posted by VersesBatman
Who has the "Once more with feeling" soundtrack? I do!

*raises hand*. I got the day it came out. LOVE IT!!! I have to listen to it at least once a month. I couldnt believe how well the cast did. I was very impressed by Sarah and Emma considering the fact they never sang before lol. I get so into the soundtrack I start lip-singing to it lol. But the instrumentals are just excellent. You can tell right away which episode they are from. I love the themes of the Buffy/Riley relationship in the Hush Suite...you can hear the Spike/Buffy theme in the third soundtrack. At times I have to skip The Gift suite because I tear up.

I agree w/ Spiked love the avi Kal....its too cute.

[KALS SON]

I would have to say buffy does have alot of romance because of the angel and buffy thing they had but in angel there were some and that was when angel and cordi luv each other but it didn't work because of what connor did. So yea i would say there was more in buffy then angel. O by the way thanks bout the connor avi.

[DarthClark]

I havnt been on in a while so I havnt got to put up the quote of the week, Ill get it up tomarrow or a little bit later.

[KALS SON]

Ok thanks darthclark.

[VersesBatman]

*raises hand*. I got the day it came out. LOVE IT!!! I have to listen to it at least once a month. I couldnt believe how well the cast did. I was very impressed by Sarah and Emma considering the fact they never sang before lol. I get so into the soundtrack I start lip-singing to it lol. But the instrumentals are just excellent. You can tell right away which episode they are from. I love the themes of the Buffy/Riley relationship in the Hush Suite...you can hear the Spike/Buffy theme in the third soundtrack. At times I have to skip The Gift suite because I tear up.

I agree w/ Spiked love the avi Kal....its too cute.
My favorite songs are "Under your spell" and "Walk through the fire". My husband won't listen to it though. He hates the ep Hush and anything that has to do with it.

[Summers]

yea, no more popping up. I hope everybody had a nice, safe New Year's :). But now it means back to the grind.....and I have an 8-10pm class tomorrow :(....oh, I hate night classes that late. Campus are creepy at night. Anyways, back on topic :)



Originally posted by VersesBatman
My favorite songs are "Under your spell" and "Walk through the fire". My husband won't listen to it though. He hates the ep Hush and anything that has to do with it.

I love "Under Your Spell". That was an excellent song for Tara to sing, and sang beautifully by Amber. The moment "Walk Through The Fire" was done I knew it was a homage to the "Tonight" song from West Side Story. Moulin Rouge did a similar take on it. I love the "Theory" song, and Giles's song to Buffy. Giles's song is so relateable because of the parent-child relationship. Heck, I love all of it lol.

Why does your husband hate Hush? was it too scary?

btw, great avi Darth w/ Clark and Buffy. It was great blend of both of them.

[VersesBatman]

Yeah, he just got a bad feeling from that episode. It gave him the creeps.

[Summers]

It was The Gentlemen's smiles for me. I thought clowns were bad, but no they take the cake. And their politeness(sp?) was just plain creepy. Especially when they are clapping or smiling when they open the poor co-ed chest to get the heart. Demons arent suppose to be nice lol.

[VersesBatman]

That's what made them so scary. I thought the one demon that killed children in the episode where Buffy got this fever were scary, boy was I wrong!

[Summers]

agreed. Der Kinderstad in "Killed By Death" was creepy w/ the way he moved his hands, and white-out eyes. But then I'm afraid of hospitals too!! But its creepy having that demon going after little kids :(. I loved Ryan's artwork of Buffy killing the demon lol.

Another demon was creepy was the Queller demon in "Listening To Fear". That demon crawling around like that....he was speed racer of crawling. Sure some people say there were demons that look fake on Buffy and Angel, but hey there are plenty that can scare the heck out of a person.

Since I been out for a week here some Buffy news for you guys and gals. Joss finally gave Faith a last name for the upcoming Watcher Sourcebook. Her full name is:





Faith Lehane http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=16378&PHPSESSID=933fc9ff380a81a83cf39d8c41267d06

more news will begin like always on Monday :)

[nexgod]

that fear demonwas creepy :p

[Spiked]

I finished watching my season seven DVD box set. It's so sad that that's it. I have to say season seven is definitely one of my favorite seasons. Now I have Angel season one to keep me company. :)

BTW, amazon.com is selling season one of Buffy for only $14.99!

[Summers]

Originally posted by nexgod
that fear demonwas creepy :p

you mean that cute little fear demon Gachner(sp?) from "Fear, Itself"?...."big overture....little show" lol.


Originally posted by Spiked
I finished watching my season seven DVD box set. It's so sad that that's it. I have to say season seven is definitely one of my favorite seasons. Now I have Angel season one to keep me company. :)

BTW, amazon.com is selling season one of Buffy for only $14.99!

gee, your faster than me. I'm barely finished "Sleeper". I swear I'm going to go to withdrawls of not buying another Buffy dvd. After Angel Season 5 comes out I'm saving up to get the Avonlea series dvd collection. awww, Angel season one......Doyle :) :(.


Originally posted by KALS SON
I would have to say buffy does have alot of romance because of the angel and buffy thing they had but in angel there were some and that was when angel and cordi luv each other but it didn't work because of what connor did. So yea i would say there was more in buffy then angel. O by the way thanks bout the connor avi.

Oh, dont know Angel had plenty of romance. The ones I love:
-Angel/Darla....to me Darla was the only vamp/person I liked w/ Angel besides Buffy. Julie Benz was terrific, and had great chemistry w/ David. Darla's arc was amazing to watch.
-Fred/Wes.....too cute
-Cordy/Doyle....to this day I still believe they should belong together.
-Wes/Lilah....very destructive relationship(similar to Spuffy in season six), but you can see Lilah changing her attitude and become more humane....well she was starting to until evil Cordy/Jasmine killed her :mad: (but that was a great scene...came out of nowhere) I was saying "omg" over and over again.

[Spoon AZ]

This may be old news but I just noticed they posted the cover art to Angel Season 5. (Probably my second favorite season minus the crappy cliffhanger)

looks cool!

[Spiked]

Yeah the DVD cover does look awesome. Season five itself was awesome!

[Summers]

IMO the best out of five. I love just to stare at it. Two of my favorite male characters.....in black...yummy :). Almost a month and a half until it comes out.


Originally posted by Spoon AZ
This may be old news but I just noticed they posted the cover art to Angel Season 5. (Probably my second favorite season minus the crappy cliffhanger)

looks cool!

I love the cliffhanger, and the entire season!! out of curiousity what is your first favorite season Spoon?

[KALS SON]

Yea that cover is awesome they finally change it because cordy wasn't in that season or she was for an episode but she wasn't a main chracter.

[Spoon AZ]

Summers,

my favorite season is season 3. I love Wesley's fall, I love the false prophecy, I love Holtz's storyline.

I wasn't a big fan of Connor's character but more so in Season 4. Season 3 we we're still figuring him out and I liked him being evil at the end because I hated him already.

I loved the finale of Angel, but that ending was unfair. It left WAY too much in the air.

You may argue it's up to our imagination to decide what happens and that may be what you like. But if I wanted to use my imagintion I would have made up my own storylines and not watched the episode. Give me a friggin' end.

[KALS SON]

HEY HEY no talking bout connor in this thread lol jk.

[Spoon AZ]

I liked Connor in Season 5's cameo.

And I liked him as evil. But I didn't like him as the conflicted "good guy".

And of course I loved the plot and story with Connor before birth and as a baby. I just didn't like the second half of teenage Connor story/character.

again mostly creepy whiny Cordy hooker-upper Connor from Season 4.

I mean you gotta admit in the Season 4 finale everyone wanted Connor to get what was coming to him.

[KALS SON]

Well yes the whole cordy thing was just nasty but the season finale he got a great family and sad ending lol.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Spoon AZ
I liked Connor in Season 5's cameo.

And I liked him as evil. But I didn't like him as the conflicted "good guy".

And of course I loved the plot and story with Connor before birth and as a baby. I just didn't like the second half of teenage Connor story/character.

again mostly creepy whiny Cordy hooker-upper Connor from Season 4.

I mean you gotta admit in the Season 4 finale everyone wanted Connor to get what was coming to him.

agreed. I didnt like Conner in season four. I loved when Faith put him line. It justs seems like w/ Dawn in season six they were stuck w/ these teenagers what are you going to do w/ them. In the end though I liked how they turned out.


Originally posted by Spoon AZ
Summers,

my favorite season is season 3. I love Wesley's fall, I love the false prophecy, I love Holtz's storyline.

I wasn't a big fan of Connor's character but more so in Season 4. Season 3 we we're still figuring him out and I liked him being evil at the end because I hated him already.

I loved the finale of Angel, but that ending was unfair. It left WAY too much in the air.

You may argue it's up to our imagination to decide what happens and that may be what you like. But if I wanted to use my imagintion I would have made up my own storylines and not watched the episode. Give me a friggin' end.

very true. To me it didnt feel like a series finale, but a season finale. Well, what done is done huh lol. But I still like because there was at least some closure to some of the characters.

[KALS SON]

Well i know season 4 finale was very sad just seeing angel leave his son to a new family. But hey he came back in season 5 so i was happy bout that.

[Summers]

agreed. I love the episode "Home" it was a great transition episode from season four to five. And I'm glad they redeemed Connor and Cordy's characters in the last season. It was a must plus it gave closure to their characters.

[KALS SON]

I forgot why cordy came back, but when season five comes out ill have to see.

[Summers]

let's say she comes back for a reason. I know some people havent seen season five yet, and I dont want to spoil. But she came back in Angel's 100th episode, and this episode in one of my favorites in the series.

[Spoon AZ]

yeah that was a fun episode.

It was the good energetic spunky Cordy from early Angel not the moody dark Cordy from Season 4 and around the end of Season 3.

[Summers]

yea, it was nice to see that again. To me is was like mature good energetic spunky Cordy....there is definite maturity there :).

[KALS SON]

Yea i luv that episode and was really suprise to see the old cordy again.

[VersesBatman]

Originally posted by Summers
let's say she comes back for a reason. I know some people havent seen season five yet, and I dont want to spoil. But she came back in Angel's 100th episode, and this episode in one of my favorites in the series.
"What kind of Bizarro world did I just wake up in?"

[Summers]

Originally posted by VersesBatman
"What kind of Bizarro world did I just wake up in?"

lol. I love when she calls Eve "Lilah Jr." lol

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
let's say she comes back for a reason. I know some people havent seen season five yet, and I dont want to spoil. But she came back in Angel's 100th episode, and this episode in one of my favorites in the series.

It was really sad! :( but also a great episode :)

[Summers]

k, I dont if any of you remember Dark Horse Comics is going do a season 8 of Buffy, and now it looks like Dark Horse will give a conclusion to Angel's series finale cliffhanger:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=16549:

Cliffhangers From ANGEL's Finale May Finally Be Resolved

Read on to learn what's new for Angel in 2005 ...

Remember a while back, when Rich mentioned the license for Angel possibly moving from Dark Horse to IDW? Well, it¡¦s happened. The deal just went down recently and the first Angel miniseries from IDW will hit in Summer 2005. A creative team hasn¡¦t been finalized yet, though Joss Whedon will be onboard as an advisor. Whedon isn¡¦t currently expected to write any of the stories himself, as his time is still divided between Astonishing X-Men and the Serenity feature film. So he¡¦s already got a lot on his plate even if those Wonder Woman movie rumors don¡¦t pan out.

Incidentally, this doesn¡¦t affect the Serenity license at all, which looks to be set at Dark Horse. Nor does it cover the rights to Buffy The Vampire Slayer. In fact, certain characters like Buffy (and possibly Willow) can¡¦t be used by IDW at all, at least under the current deal. However, a Faith miniseries may be in the cards and certain lingering cliffhangers from the Angel series finale may finally be resolved.

This Has A ¡§Wolfram and Hart¡¨ Factor of Nine Out of Ten

Source:Silver Bullet Comic Books

and Joss is advising so it would be his okay on what happened in the story. Another reason why I love comics

[Spiked]

Neat-o! Thanks Summers!

[KALS SON]

So there saying they are using a whole diffrent group to start angel back up. Im kinda confuse here could you explain.

[Spoon AZ]

really? so Season 8 of Buffy and the Angel conclusion will be canon?

Even if a new incarnation/movie comes to pass?

[Summers]

as I know of there is now Buffy/Angel movie in the process. Joss is too busy. The casts from both series are too busy. Basically the only thing happening are the comics and a the cartoon. To me there can be two senerios(probably more):
1. Joss doesnt acknowledge the comics
2. Joss does acknowledge them, but through reference lines or flasbacks(he did those one-liner references w/ the crossover episodes of both shows).

Two would be the more logical considering the fact Joss is okay the stories for both.


Originally posted by KALS SON
So there saying they are using a whole diffrent group to start angel back up. Im kinda confuse here could you explain.

It only for comics not for TV. It maybe different group, but perhaps some Angel writers will step in. Jane Espenson and Doug Petrie are writing some of the Buffy Season 8. And there will be no crossovers from the Buffy characters in the comics in this contract.

[KALS SON]

O ok thanks summers.

[KALS SON]

Hey guys i just notice somthing Tom looks kinda like Sarah. Do you think guys.

[Summers]

really? how so?

[DarthClark]

I noticed that too.

[KALS SON]

I was looking at i think it was Richboy lex avi and seeing them together got me thinking they look alike. I don't know it might just be me lol.

[snaps]

no offence but are you wasted

[KALS SON]

ARE YOU TALKING TO ME?

[Summers]

sorry, I'm not seeing. I see some Chloe and Lois expressions that are similar to Sarah's. But I'm not seeing unless you mean the look they have in that particular picture of like the main character.

[KALS SON]

You don't see it summers, look at the avi above this post where Tom and Sarah are attach to each other. They look kinda the same.

[DarthClark]

Just a little.

[Summers]

not really...all I am seeing is a "no hold bar" kinda of a look on both of them. Just that one expression.

from http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=16602

It's Confirmed - IDW To Publish ANGEL Comics

So what will ANGEL's future look like in the reality of comic books ? "It'll be set at some point after the show ended," Ryall said.

IDW Publishing will publish comic books based on the former WB television series Angel, editor-in-chief Chris Ryall told The *********.

Although plans are still being firmed up, IDW will likely kick off the property with a mini-series that starts in May or June.

"It'll be set at some point after the show ended," Ryall said. "We'll also do a couple one-shots that spotlight other characters and have more minis beyond the first one."

No creative teams have been announced, although it should be noted that former IDW editor-in-chief Jeff Mariotte, who now contributes to the publisher as a free-lance writer, has written Angel novels.

Angel, created by Joss Whedon and David Greenwalt, spun out of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and ran on The WB from 1999-2004. Angel comics were previously published by Dark Horse Comics.

Source: Comics *********

music video about Wes and the false prophecy of Conner:
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=16576

Buffy - listed in top 3 best dvds of the year by The Onion A.V Club http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=16609
2. Buffy The Vampire Slayer: The Complete Sixth Season (Fox)
Buffy fans generally feel the show peaked with seasons two and three, but its sixth season plays like one long, dark night of the soul, connecting the supernatural with the human more poignantly than ever. The "Big Bad" has never been less threatening—it's just a few geeks gone wild, really—but the battle-weary Scooby Gang, mired in a never-ending fight against evil, manifest their angst through black witchcraft, desultory sex, and an overwhelming sense of doom. The candy-colored musical episode ("Once More, With Feeling") is an obvious high point, but even that ends in what may be the series' saddest revelation.

Seth on the Family Guy http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=16589
New Family Guy Episodes

There will be new Episodes on TV. Get to know when!

Seth Green's show 'Family Guy' new episodes airing in June, on the Cartoon Network's Adult Swim line-up. Another series canceled by FOX but then went to DVD and making a come back this time to the small screen.

Adult swim posted all it's new episodes airing month through out the year during commercial breaks of it's shows.

[lexlover]

favorite character- Xander
favorite romance- Xander/ Cordy
favorite villian- Caleb
favorite episode- all! no really Once More With Feeling or the Replacement
favorite quotes- anything Xander said that was witty, sarcastic, hilarious, at all!

[Summers]

its been confirmed by smgboard.com and www.smgvbest.com that The Grudge starring Sarah is in the top 20 movies of 2004. It ranked 19 right before Ocean's 12(I'll get the list in a minute)

[KALS SON]

COOL!!!!!!!!! angel comics, I wonder if connor is in them lol.

[Summers]

http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=16497

The Official Angel Soundtrack

What we all have been waiting for has become reality

The official soundtrack for Angel has become available for pre-order in the UK. It's scheduled to be release on February 21.

These are the tracks featured on the soundtrack
1 Angel Main Theme - "The Sanctuary Extended Remix"
2 Start The Apocalypse
3 The End Of The World
4 Massive Assault
5 Home
6 Hero
7 Judgment & Jousting
8 The Birth Of Angelus
9 Rebellion
10 The Trials For Darla
11 Dreaming Of Darla
12 Untouched - Darla's Fire
13 Darla's Sacrifice
14 Welcome To PYLEA
15 Through The Looking Glass
16 Castle Attack
17 Cordy Meets Fred
18 Princess Cordelia
19 Farewell Cordelia
20 I'm Game
21 Touched
22 LA Song
23 Lady Marmalade
24 It's Not Easy Being Green
25 A Place Called Home

You can order it at Streets Online - just follow the link


Source: Streets Online

click on the slayerverse link, and there will be a link to get to Streets Online. Remember its just for the UK where it is being sold at.

[Spoon AZ]

I'd pick up an Angel comic. I don't really read much comics anymore but I'd have to just see what the hell happened after the finale

[KALS SON]

Hey spoon is connor in there or any of the comics lol i really want to know.

[Summers]

In one of the crossovers comics Angel mentions Conner to Dawn.

here's link to Christian Kane singing....I love how that man sings, and its a duet
http://www.slayerverse.net/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=16664

[DarthClark]

I dont think so.

[Spoon AZ]

I don't know Kal.

I'm just going by what Summers was saying.

Connor isn't in the cartoon I know that. But the comics I don't see why he couldn't at least get a one-shot like they mentioned.

[KALS SON]

O shoot they mentioned it, i didn't see it. But now i do thanks summers.

[Spoon AZ]

well they didn't mention Connor but they said they might give some of the characters a one-shot issue. So I could see them giving one to Connor

[DarthClark]

Yeah thanks Summers.

[Summers]

the comic that mentions Conner is called "Note From The Underground". It has Xan, Will, and Buff in a picture but the glass is broken. It also features Faith and Pike, and it was the 100th issue. I recommend it because it felt like a Buffy finale :).

[KALS SON]

Thats awesome but i don't want to pick it up because i don't have the other comics.

[Summers]

oh, you dont have to. The comic is a crossover. It starts out w/ Angel, and then goes to Sunnydale. That is as long as you get the graphic novel.

btw, Darth your PM inbox is full

[KALS SON]

O so it really doesn't go with the storyline of the other comics that buffy came out with.

[Summers]

actually it does, but like BtVS and AtS they give you references to what is going on. So when Pike comes you know some history w/ him and buffy after she was expelled from Hemery High her freshman year. There is enough info in they present w/ one-liner continuity from the comic line and the show.

However, the Angel part is altered quite a bit. "Note To The Underground" is in the timeline of the summer of Angel's season 3 and 4...and Buffy's season 6 and 7.

[KALS SON]

Thats cool i think im going to go pick it up tommrow lol. But umm summers i found some angel comics. Issues one and two, but i don't know if those were the first that came out.

[Summers]

do you have a link? or titles to them? All I know for is that they are stopping the fictional novels of Angel tv series sometime early this year.

[KALS SON]

Actually summers there a few of them on amazon.com along with buffy.

[Summers]

*goes to www.amazon.com *

[KALS SON]

YUp but all the issues are in 2000-2002 so there old.