Buffy the Vampire Slayer

[BuZzArD 8012]

Night Derek :).

Thanks man, I really appreciate all your help. Trust me, Ill be pming you ;).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

No problem.

Looking forward to it.

[smallvillefanforlife]

buzzard if you do make one id like to read it and you know who id like to see in it

[BuZzArD 8012]

Haha, Faith?

[smallvillefanforlife]

hmm how did you know its not that obvious is it

[BuZzArD 8012]

lol, you told me :D. I made some awesome Faith avatars today and started my rough draft for my fanfic.

[smallvillefanforlife]

ohh show them if you can

i finally saw the buffy movie last night on FX it was pretty stupid and SMG looks so much better

you said your fanfic is going to be after angel

[BuZzArD 8012]

I not at my house, so I can't show them to you sorry. But I will tommorow.

I didn't get to see the Buffy movie, yet. Still have to check it out.

Yup :D.

[smallvillefanforlife]

well your not really missing much its so 80's feeling and shes like a huge prep and a cheerleader

[BuZzArD 8012]

Oh ok, do you know when it will come on again?

[Summers]

FX regularly shows the movie. Give me my series any day :D.

[smallvillefanforlife]

umm i dont know really i mght have come on again today but i didnt look i didnt even finish watching it

i dont think willow or xander are in that one

[BuZzArD 8012]

Oh alright, I have to find out.

Well, here is the cast for right now.

-Connor
-Wesley (You'll see how he comes back) :D

[angelfire east]

In the moive what happened to her watcher? I mean why did she get Giles and not him anymore?

[BuZzArD 8012]

Spoilers people lol :D.

[smallvillefanforlife]

umm i dont know i stopped watching it like half way through i really didnt like it

he might have died

[aqua]

He did die.

[smallvillefanforlife]

oh ok i was right

[angelfire east]

I was wondering if that's what happened to him. I tried to watch the moive a while go but it was really bad and I turnned it off after a few minutes.

[Summers]

Her first watcher Merrick(which we do see in BtVS in ep. "Becoming. Pt.1) died saving Buffy from the vampire master in L.A. What happened in the movie was altered when it got to the tv version.

For an example, Buffy was a senior at the high school and the gym really didnt burn down per sa.

In the series Buffy was a freshman at Hemery High School in L.A. did burn down the gym because of all the vampires. Merrick died. They had her expelled for burning down the gym, and thus transfer her to Sunnydale High and meets her second watcher Giles(which makes Wesley her third watcher).

IMO It was Buffy's destiny to come to Sunnydale :D.


Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Spoilers people lol :D.

Movie is altered from the show no worries, and the movie was made in 1992 :lol:.

[Snake_Corda]

Mel, your mailbox is full :)

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
Movie is altered from the show no worries, and the movie was made in 1992 :lol:.

Oh, alright :lol:.

[Summers]

Oops...all clean Adam ;).

[angelfire east]

ANy way Space skipped 'Once more, With feeling' :mad: I wanted to know what everybody sounded like singing. I was really looking forward to listening to Giles sing again.:(

Today they showed "Tabula Rasa".

Man Willwo is losing control, it's like drugs for her.

I loved how every forgot who they where and who they though they where related too and loved. Giles and "Randy" and Giles and Ayna :lol:

I love this part :

GILES: We'll all get our memory back, and it'll all be right as rain.
SPIKE: Oh, listen to Mary Poppins. He's got his crust all stiff and upper with that nancy-boy accent. (everyone looking at him) You Englishmen are always so... (pauses) Bloody hell! (ticks off on his fingers) Sodding, blimey, shagging, knickers, bollocks, oh God! I'm English!
GILES: (puts glasses on) Welcome to the nancy tribe.

And

GILES: Older brother?
SPIKE: (scoffs) Father. (Giles looks outraged) Oh, god, how I must hate you.
GILES: What did I do?
SPIKE: There's always something, and what's with the trollop? (indicates Anya)
ANYA: Hey!
GILES: Her?
SPIKE: I saw you! Sleeping together.
GILES: Resting together.
ANYA: Look! (holds up her hand with the engagement ring) It's okay. We're engaged.
GILES: (smiling) Oh.
ANYA: It's a lovely ring.
SPIKE: Oh, great, a tarty stepmom who's half old Daddy's age.
ANYA: Tarty?
GILES: Old? You little twerp, I'm young enough to still get carded.

And best the part:

GILES: I'm, uh, called Rupert Giles.
ANYA: (smiling fondly) Rupert.
SPIKE: Rupert! (giggles)
GILES: You're not too old to put across my knee, you know ... sonny. (Spike still laughing) Anyway, what did I call you?
SPIKE: Um...

Spike examines his clothing, finds a label on the inside of his suit jacket.

SPIKE: 'Made with care for Randy.' (looks at Giles angrily) Randy Giles? Why not just call me 'Horny Giles,' or 'Desperate for a Shag Giles'? I knew there was a reason I hated you!
GILES: Randy's ... a family name, undoubtedly.

I also couldn't stop laughing at the end after Giles and Ayna kiss and their back to their old selfs and there obessvely cleaning so not to talk about what happen.:lol:

It was a funny but really sad episode, Giles is gone for good (well at least till I think the 7th season). Tara and Willow broke up so she moved out.

[Summers]

The dark magic is a metaphor for drugs Becki :D. You pegged the metaphor right on the nail :).

Ugh, they must be having a marathon like YQ said sometime in the future. OMWF had so much foreshadowing for rest of the season. Everyone was great, and just shined in that episode. The natural singers are James Marsters, Tony (Giles), and Amber Benson(Tara). The natural dancers are Sarah and Michelle(they dont like singing lol). Everyone else neither danced nor sang. Aly and Michelle really didnt want to sang, so Joss was able to give them but only a few lines. Nicky was flat some, but it was sounded natural because people who couldnt sing in Sunnydale would sound flat lol. Sarah and Emma were surprisely well at singing. IMO They were the breakthrough singers in the episodes. Tony, Amber, and James were of course amazing :D. It was all their voices, and there was no computer done at all. Joss wanted their natural voices.

I love "Tablua Rasa". We see the suit Spike wore in "Restless" dream in this episode :D. Randy Giles. Joan the Vampire Slayer. Xander being called Alex. Anya is now Enya lol. I loved the episode, and great song by Michelle Branch "Goodbye To You" which was used on Buffy's last few episode trailers of the show.

[angelfire east]

I heard Sarch sing in season one the song "Masco man" (that's not how it's spelled). She has a great voice but I can understand about being to shy to sing. I hope there's a marathon soon.

I though I'd seen that suit before. I love all there names too funny.

I wondered what SV would be like if something like that happened to all the characters then I remember what they did with Clark then the idea lose it's fun.:( Clark would just fall in love with Lana by looking at her, not like Lois after talking to her for like a second. They could maybe do something great with Clark and Lex and Chloe. Now I have ten million ideas for fanfics.

[Summers]

For OMWF Sarah trained to actually sing for while filming other episodes. With "Macho Man" she wasnt actually singing. It more just saying the words lol. But the actors who couldnt sing, which was anyone that wasnt James/Tony/Amber, had singing lessons(or dance lessons depending on the song like Nicky and Emma also had to dance) and worked hard on it. James said Sarah constantly was working on her voice because she was dancer anyways. She's a perfectionist like Joss Whedon, and they wanted the musical to work very well. When any show that does something like this its such a risk(like 7th Heaven did), and like always Joss made it worked :D. I was really impressed by her singing and Emma Caulfield's as well.

The actors would sing in the studio and rehearse the dancing while filming the first six episodes of S6. They would work on the weekends, at night, and during the day when they werent working on the episodes "Bargaining" to "All The Way". Joss wrote everything on that episode(including the songs) all during summer hiatus, and the he laid the groundwork for his writing staff on the first six episodes of that season.They were so exhausted when they were filming "Tablua Rasa" because of all the double work they were doing. That musical episode(like many episodes) was such a group effort.

You can buy "Once More, With Feeling" cd as well. Which as all the songs and instrumentals from the episode :D.

Yea, wasnt that episode "Blank" in S4 lol. Too bad it wasnt the whole cast lol.

ETA: There are great special features of the musical on the S6 dvd.

UPDATES
Joss Whedon, Veronica Mars and...Harry Potter

From The-leaky-cauldron.org - By Melissa Anelli - 2005-08-12th - (Buffy writer & director)
Buffy, Angel, Firefly and Serenity mastermind Joss Whedon - who has been a very vocal supporter of HP in the past - waxes poetic about his love for the TV show Veronica Mars in a recent blog post, and in doing so (eventually) ascribes his long list of superlatives about it to Harry Potter:

"Best. Show. Ever. Seriously, I’ve never gotten more wrapped up in a show I wasn’t making, and maybe even more than those. Crazy crisp dialogue. Incredibly tight plotting. Big emotion, I mean BIG, and charsimatic actors and I was just DYING from the mystery and the relationships and PAIN, this show knows from pain and no, I don’t care, laugh all you want, I had to share this. These guys know what they’re doing on a level that intimidates me. It’s the Harry Potter of shows."

Tell us how you really feel, Joss!

(He’s right, by the way, except the part about his own work not being better. Thanks Milly!)


BTVSFigs’ Ask Diamond #29 - Questions & Answers
http://www.whedon.info/article.php3?id_article=10788

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

John, sounds like your story is coming together. Keep us updated.

As for me, I have a new site for those of you who will be tuning into SUPERNATURAL, I'm writing prequel stories for my site: www.supernatural-alpha.scriptmania.com.

As for OZ THE SERIES MOVIE ONE, it's still happening. Just stay tuned.

Thanks for all the news, Mel.

[Spiked]

Ok guys. Well, I guess it's time for me to say my "see you later"'s. Tomorrow I'll be heading off to college! I'm very excited about the experience. I'm not sure exactly when I'll get a chance to stop in again, seeing that the first couple of weeks will be the adjusting period. So until then: see you guys later! :)

Happy 25th Birthday Melissa! I hope you have a great day tomorrow! Make sure to eat lots of cake and don't forget to make a wish! :D

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Be careful, man and enjoy the experience. The workload is different but you'll adjust. Computers and internet servers are everywhere, so you'll be back before you know. Take it easy and enjoy it.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Spiked
Ok guys. Well, I guess it's time for me to say my "see you later"'s. Tomorrow I'll be heading off to college! I'm very excited about the experience. I'm not sure exactly when I'll get a chance to stop in again, seeing that the first couple of weeks will be the adjusting period. So until then: see you guys later! :)

Happy 25th Birthday Melissa! I hope you have a great day tomorrow! Make sure to eat lots of cake and don't forget to make a wish! :D

You'll do fine, Ryan :D. There will be an adjusting period, but after a while its nothing. Make sure to use the university's library for resources on term papers, and such. Dont party too much, but dont be too hard on yourself ;). You'll do fine, and like Derek said all universities and colleges have Internet access, so you'll be here before you know it :D.

Thank you. Yummy yellow cake with chocolate frosting :D.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Oops, my bad, Happy Birthday Mel! I know I did it early but I return again to drop the same line.

[Summers]

Thank you ;)

Well, now I'm starting to feel old already :lol:, and tomorrow as not come yet lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

By my time, it's almost tommorow, today.

Found some old Buffy and Angel books today for a dollar. Kind of shocked me, but a two dollars is two dollars.

[Summers]

What titles were they?

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Buffy Night of the Living Rerun (One of my favorites - makes my second copy now) and Angel Dark Mirror with Lorne on the cover. Angel clone story.

[Summers]

I think I have the rerun one, but I cant remember lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I think it was the third book they ever released following HALLOWEEN RAIN By Nancy Holder and Christopher Golden, which would be contradicted that following season when Joss and crew actually revealed Halloween wasn't a powerful holiday. It was defintely a nice way to see what the Master was like prior to the Church collapsing and we actually got the Willow/Xander relationship via the ghosts taking over their bodies.

[Summers]

Ugh, I think I have that one. If Willow is the closing the book at the end, then I have it.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Willow and Xander end up kissing as the ghosts take over their bodies at the end. So I'd say that would be a big yes.

[Summers]

Okay, I vaguely remember that one. I usually remember the S3 books and onward :\

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I remember the S1 books pretty well for both Angel and Buffy. I think they made the full transition with Christopher Golden and Nancy Holder in BLOODED since Angel had just come back. It felt really awkard for me reading the book before the new season had even began. Also of note, the Sword of Swanno appears in the Buffy comics that Christopher Golden wrote -- which volume that is I can't recall, but it was a collection that established the first Angel comics team.

[Summers]

Its easier for me to remember S3 novels and on because the books' have their own continuity. So mentally I can place them where they are at in my head because of their separate continuity.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Gotcha. I can just remember up until BLOODED and my memory goes blank. I mean I have the GATEKEEPER TRILOGY in my mind consistently and various spin-offs (faves being Spike and Dru: All the Pretty Maids in a Row) and the alterverse storylines.

Just really scattered mix of the stories in my mind.

[Summers]

:lol: We are mere opposites on Buffy novel memory lol

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Seems to be our all knowing luck. You have different spectrums on the shows and I do as well. Same case here. It's like a balance more or less.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Happy Birthday Mel :D. Hope your having a great day :).


Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
John, sounds like your story is coming together. Keep us updated.

Shore will :D. Im now writing up, how im going to bring back Wesley.

[Summers]

Thank you John ;)

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Happy almost late Birthday from your friendly neighborhood Derek, again!

[Summers]

:D :lol: Thank you

If your bored I'm logged into IM.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Yahoo? PM again with the address, I had to reboot it the other day.


Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Happy Birthday Mel :D. Hope your having a great day :).



Shore will :D. Im now writing up, how im going to bring back Wesley.

I have a feeling I'm going to be utterly surprised.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Your Welcome Mel :). So what presents did you get? :D

Oh, you will Derek ;).

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Your Welcome Mel :). So what presents did you get? :D


lol That was right to the point lol

Um, the presents:
-clothes
-shopping money :D
-a MP3 player :eek: :D

[atrufan14]

sounds like my kinda gifts! what MP3 player did you get?

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
lol That was right to the point lol

Um, the presents:
-clothes
-shopping money :D
-a MP3 player :eek: :D


Whoa, thats awesome Mel :D. I wish I had a MP3 player lol.

[BuZzArD 8012]

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Some avatars I made :D.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Love all the new avatars...hints toward the coming story?

[BuZzArD 8012]

Thanks Derek :D.

Yup, Connor will be fighting someone he can't handle. Not saying the name, or it would mess up the whole thing lol. Wesley will be brought in on the second episode.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

How many episodes do you have planned?

[BuZzArD 8012]

Right now, 8. Im going with that number now because school is coming up :(.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Sounds good either way. You have to start some place.

Do you have a story arc planned out?

[BuZzArD 8012]

No, actually I don't. I just started with the first episode, but I don't know what to do later on. Thats why I need a little help, but I don't know how to explain it to you. If I did, I would be giving you spoilers lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

How about this. I'll read the first episode and I can help you discuss an overall story arc. I would just help you lay the structure, but allow you keep your key story elements a secret and the like.

Believe me, I've been doing that with projects at the moment - SMALLVILLE ALTERNATE SEASON FIVE is high on my list strucutre wise since it's 22 episodes in Summary Format, slightly different than OZ THE SERIES, which will still be happening at some point.

[BuZzArD 8012]

That's sounds cool Derek :D. Thanks!

Oh, so your making a different season 5 of Smallville?

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Yeah, I'll be releasing them every Sunday after the new episodes air. It's something that I've had planned on since before the Thirst Spoilers. It'll be a total wrap-up of the series and we'll finally get the answers we need. Basically, developed through a conversation with Mel on the various threads.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Oh, thats awesome! I can't wait to read those, it might be better then the regular season 5 of Smallville ;).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I'm hoping it will be since I'm bringing up the level of impact and character development unlike the show. No Brainaic, but we'll be seeing an alternative and an actual running arc through the show, unlike we've been seeing.

They'll be released in something similar to Summaries with Dialogue -- A simplified script.

I can't wait to see your story. So Connor is taking to his own and becoming the hero of the narrative?

[BuZzArD 8012]

That is sooo cool, even though Brainic isn't going to be in it. I bet you have something even better to show us :D.

Pretty much, but he trying to stay away from all the vampires and demons. Just live a normal life, but he has a job to do. Thats stopping evil from corrupting the world :D.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I can't see having vampires in the show or even FotW of that matter. It's all about the destiny much like our famous Slayer.

Trust me, the 22 series wrap is going to be interesting and well worth reading. I've been a fan of Supes since I was a kid, so there will be references buried throughout to the films and TV Shows and I'll solve many of the dileemas that we Buffy/Angel/Firefly fans have been complaining about for sometime.

[BuZzArD 8012]

I could see a FotW once in a while but not in every episode. It just gets annoying, which Im glad your not having in your story. I can't wait to start reading this.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I'm shooting for a release when the first episode of the actual show hits the air, but it'll be released to read every Sunday since it gives everyone a full week to read it.

I have college most of the time and work, but it's something that will appear as scheduled. I'm going to be doing them in my free time after classes.

[angelfire east]

I have question about "Once more, With feeling". How does everyone find out Buffy wasn't in hell? And how did Buffy and Spike end up kissing?

Thanks for any help you can give me:)

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Can't honestly answer the question. It's been so long since I've seen "OMWF".

Did you catch the edited one?

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
I'm shooting for a release when the first episode of the actual show hits the air, but it'll be released to read every Sunday since it gives everyone a full week to read it.

I have college most of the time and work, but it's something that will appear as scheduled. I'm going to be doing them in my free time after classes.

Sounds good :D. When will you be puting out Oz series?

[angelfire east]

No space skipped the whole episode:(

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Sounds good :D. When will you be puting out Oz series?

The bigger movie episodes will be appearing within the year. I had plans to shoot for Halloween for the first one, but that's been pushed back.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Oh ok, thanks for the update.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Originally posted by angelfire east
No space skipped the whole episode:(

From what I can remember (I've only seen this episode twice), Buffy admits her feelings vocally to the Scoobies during the final showdown with the moster who wants Dawn as his Bride, which was invariably Xander's fault. Spike, of course, comes to comfort her and it ends in the classic musical fashion of the big happy kiss.

If I missed anything Mel will take care of the details. ANGEL junkie obivously.


Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Oh ok, thanks for the update.

No problem, it'll be a big episode thats why it's taking so long.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Cool, can't wait :D.

[Summers]

Originally posted by atrufan14
sounds like my kinda gifts! what MP3 player did you get?

Its a Memorax(sp?). It so itty bitty lol. I love it. I saved over 60 songs on it :D.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Whoa, already :D. Thats awesome! :D

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Cool, can't wait :D.

Also working on SUPERNATURAL ALPHA. Short stories that tie into the upcoming SUPERNATURAL TV Series on the WB. It'll be the kids getting into the basis of what they do on the show.

Check out the offical site at www.supernaturalalphaseries.freeservers.com.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Thanks for the link, have to check that out :).

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east
[B]I have question about "Once more, With feeling". How does everyone find out Buffy wasn't in hell? And how did Buffy and Spike end up kissing?
B]

When the characters sing they sing their inner-most fears and insecurities for everyone to hear. The songs that play throughout the episode are everyones fear, or telling the truth in many cases. The song "Something To Sing About" is Buffy's song where she is singing in the Bronze, and where she lets everyone knows she was in Heaven(as Derek said). The word "comfort" is a very good choice of words. The physical, sexual Spuffy S6 is really the only comfort Buffy's has because right now living is hell...but after while Spike can no longer make her feel better. She has to feel better on her own(I love that theme :) ).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Thanks for the link, have to check that out :).

No problem, these stories will appear at random pretty much. If the show gets cancelled I'll still actively keep it running.

[Summers]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Yeah, I'll be releasing them every Sunday after the new episodes air. It's something that I've had planned on since before the Thirst Spoilers. It'll be a total wrap-up of the series and we'll finally get the answers we need. Basically, developed through a conversation with Mel on the various threads.

From the layout you told me about. I can say that I'm more excited about Derek's S5 than the actual SV S5 :D.


Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Whoa, already :D. Thats awesome! :D

Its great. I'll have one song from the Fantastic Four soundtrack(the whole soundtrack I recommend), and then all of sudden its Angel theme music. Then cuts over to "Wild Horses" from BtVS. Its funnnn.

btw, great avaters ;).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Glad to have you and John among the supporters. It pretty much grew from our conversations and the influences in the books and the like. I have to say our conversations have helped out and defining the seasont that much more and I have to thank you for that, again lol.

[Summers]

eh, I didnt do anything lol. Your the writer :D. I'm just like to talk lol. Your welcome ;).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Just thanking you for the discussions :)

[Summers]

Your welcome. The discussions are great :).

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
From what I can remember (I've only seen this episode twice), Buffy admits her feelings vocally to the Scoobies during the final showdown with the moster who wants Dawn as his Bride, which was invariably Xander's fault. Spike, of course, comes to comfort her and it ends in the classic musical fashion of the big happy kiss.

If I missed anything Mel will take care of the details. ANGEL junkie obivously.

Thanks for the info:D


Originally posted by Summers
When the characters sing they sing their inner-most fears and insecurities for everyone to hear. The songs that play throughout the episode are everyones fear, or telling the truth in many cases. The song "Something To Sing About" is Buffy's song where she is singing in the Bronze, and where she lets everyone knows she was in Heaven(as Derek said). The word "comfort" is a very good choice of words. The physical, sexual Spuffy S6 is really the only comfort Buffy's has because right now living is hell...but after while Spike can no longer make her feel better. She has to feel better on her own(I love that theme :) ).

Thanks for the info too:D I've love to know everyone's fears. We got a taste of them in "Nightmare" I think that's what it's called. But time has gone by and things change.

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east

Thanks for the info too:D I've love to know everyone's fears. We got a taste of them in "Nightmare" I think that's what it's called. But time has gone by and things change.

Yup, it was "Nightmares" another great episode(and really tripped me out). As the series goes along we get four episodes that deal with the Scoobies fear. You know how you mature your fears change as well. The characters are constantly progressing, and their fears changed as they grow up because of their experiences.

Throughout the series we get four episodes:
S1 "Nightmares" which you seen
S4 "Fear, Itself" (second Halloween episode)
S4 "Restless" the dream episode(and great anaylsis of the main four Scoobies)
S6 "Once More, With Feeling" the musical

Each episode the fears and insecurities are different depending on the characters's mental state. And the fears are shown in a different matter like one is through the means of comotose Billy, a itty bitty Fear Demon, dreams, or through song. Plus all of these episodes show vast amounts of foreshadowing. I love these episodes lol :D.

Buffy DVDs sell faster than Shrek 2 & Shark Tale

Even thou "Buffy" is off the air since more then two years, the DVD's are obviously selling great!

Dreamworks Gaps Up on Bad News? Dreamworks Animation (NYSEWA) reported a net loss of $3.7 million, or four cents per share, down from a year-ago profit of $146 million. Revenue fell to $35.4 million from $300.3 million. Nevertheless, the results were better than analysts had expected and the stock gapped up, gaining something like four percent this morning. The Dow Jones Newswires reported today that DVDs of television shows such as Buffy the Vampire Slayer seem to fly off shelves faster than Shrek 2 and Shark Tale. We're not keen on sharks, but we like stories about vampires.

But of course :D. BtVS has always sold good(and obiviously still does) since the moment it was released on dvds(one of the first tv shows that did as well), and an ever growing, large fanbase :D. I at stores I constantly see people buy them, and the employees reshelve the dvds.

[aqua]

Awesome! Go Bufffffy! :)

I just finished watching "Becoming Prt. 2." :( Makes my eyes water every time.

[atrufan14]

i watched the Gift last night and completely cried my eyes out! i never usually do that with tv shows (althoguh i did cry at the end of tru calling s1) but i do cry a lot with harry potter lol.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
From the layout you told me about. I can say that I'm more excited about Derek's S5 than the actual SV S5 :D.



Its great. I'll have one song from the Fantastic Four soundtrack(the whole soundtrack I recommend), and then all of sudden its Angel theme music. Then cuts over to "Wild Horses" from BtVS. Its funnnn.

btw, great avaters ;).

That's awesome! I heard you could put over 100 songs on there, which is so great :D.

Thanks Mel :D.


Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Glad to have you and John among the supporters. It pretty much grew from our conversations and the influences in the books and the like. I have to say our conversations have helped out and defining the seasont that much more and I have to thank you for that, again lol.

Haha, your welcome Derek :). We didn't really do anything, your a great writer, you do most of stuff :). Glad are discussions help though.


Originally posted by Summers
Buffy DVDs sell faster than Shrek 2 & Shark Tale


But of course :D. BtVS has always sold good(and obiviously still does) since the moment it was released on dvds(one of the first tv shows that did as well), and an ever growing, large fanbase :D. I at stores I constantly see people buy them, and the employees reshelve the dvds.

Whoa, that is great news that the show is still getting more fans into it, even if its off the air. I wonder if this is the only show. Awesome news :D.

[BuZzArD 8012]

I made a bunch of avatars last night. Some need to be brighten, so I not going to show you all of them. Sorry. The ones Im showing you, need to be brighten a bit also. But I think you guys can see it.

http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/7909/slayerb4at.gif

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a292/johnpogi/SarahMG2.gif

I have about 5 more to show you'll :).

[angelfire east]

Originally posted by Summers
Yup, it was "Nightmares" another great episode(and really tripped me out). As the series goes along we get four episodes that deal with the Scoobies fear. You know how you mature your fears change as well. The characters are constantly progressing, and their fears changed as they grow up because of their experiences.

Throughout the series we get four episodes:
S1 "Nightmares" which you seen
S4 "Fear, Itself" (second Halloween episode)
S4 "Restless" the dream episode(and great anaylsis of the main four Scoobies)
S6 "Once More, With Feeling" the musical

Each episode the fears and insecurities are different depending on the characters's mental state. And the fears are shown in a different matter like one is through the means of comotose Billy, a itty bitty Fear Demon, dreams, or through song. Plus all of these episodes show vast amounts of foreshadowing. I love these episodes lol :D.

Good I got the name right. Well I saw 3 out of 4 fear episodes so I guess I did pretty well. I love the fear episodes because they do help with character growth, do forshadow and let us see more sides of the characters.

BTW I love those avatar:D

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I love the stake flipping avatar from Freshman. One of my all time favorite Buffy action moments, says so much, yet, says so little lol.

[Summers]

Originally posted by atrufan14
i watched the Gift last night and completely cried my eyes out! i never usually do that with tv shows (althoguh i did cry at the end of tru calling s1) but i do cry a lot with harry potter lol.

I do the same thing. I think cried more on Buffy than I have on any other tv show.


Originally posted by angelfire east
Good I got the name right. Well I saw 3 out of 4 fear episodes so I guess I did pretty well. I love the fear episodes because they do help with character growth, do forshadow and let us see more sides of the characters.

BTW I love those avatar:D

I couldnt remember which episodes you havent seen :lol:. It really does. It allows us to really get inside the character's noggins, but I'm glad the fear episodes arent exactly reruns. I mean the fears just keep getting more complex.

Great avaters John :).

[MBCorp]

I also think I've cried more during Buffy than any other show. Heck, I've cried during scenes that weren't really sad, just emotional. It can be very emotional at times.

[Summers]

Me too. Like in "The Prom" where Buffy gets her Class Protector Award or Xander's speech to Dawn in "Potential" those were happy tears. Then there are the sad tears like "The Gift" or "Becoming Pt.2". That's how I separate it lol.

[Summers]

UPDATES
Alyson Hannigan - "How I Met Your Mother" Tv Series - Thefutoncritic.com Preview
http://www.whedon.info/article.php3?id_article=10833

Eliza Dushku - Alternative Press Magazine Photoshoot Outtakes - High Quality Photos
http://www.whedon.info/article.php3?id_article=10830

Joss Whedon has called Michelle Trachtenberg about appearing in Angel 5x20
http://www.whedon.info/article.php3?id_article=10824

She also confirms the rumors that were abound last year about her possibly appearing in the Angel episode, “The Girl in Question.” “Joss had actually called me to go on Angel and unfortunately, I was under contract and in the middle of training for Ice Princess, so it was just a scheduling issue,” she details. “I was so sad to hear Angel went off the air, because I thought maybe it could be the lasting part of the Buffy legacy.”

Good piece of trivia if you didnt know.

Amber Benson in Houston Convention DVD : SOLD OUT
http://www.whedon.info/article.php3?id_article=10823

Buffy 4x15 "This Year’s Girl" - DC Gustafson Piece Of Trivia

From Restlessbtvs.com - 2005-08-12th

When Faith looks through a shop window in This Year’s Girl, she sees an ad for ‘Gustafson Blades’. D. C. Gustafson was a Leadman who worked on Buffy during the first two seasons. He sadly died in November 2000 at age 41 after fighting cancer and AIDS. The episode Into the Woods was dedicated in his memory.

The S5 episode "Into The Woods" was dedicated to him.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Here's a sneak peek at SMALLVILLE ALT. SEASON FIVE:


SMALLVILLE ALTERNATE SEASON FIVE
Created By Derek Sharp
Based on the TV Show Created By Al Gough and Miles Millar
Based on SUPERMAN Created By Jerry Siegel and Joel Shuster
Episode 5.01
"LEGACY AND CONSEQUENCES"
By Derek Andrew Sharp

NOTE TO READERS: These stories are in treatment format, so it is somewhat similar to script format in that dialogue is ever present but it is descripition heavy.

FADE IN:

We open with the traditional montage of FLASHBACKS -- A Meteor Shower Hitting Smallville, Clark to the Rescue Saving the Young Kid (who is not for STAR WARS: REVENGE OF THE SITH), Jor-El Speech, Clark connecting the Stones together and Its Effects, Lex watching as Lionel goes into a Coma, Lex threatening Chloe, A Meteor Striking the Kent's home with the Kent's inside, Chloe rushing towards the light as Clark is engulfed, Clark re-emerging in North Pole (alone) and tossing the Blue Crystal into the air, Lana climbing out of the damaged helicopter and seeing the ship, but as a final shot instead of the Crystal Flipping towards us we see Lois looking on at the once again damaged Smallville.

CUT TO:

-- TEASER ---

EXT. THE FIELD WHERE LANA'S HELICOPTER LANDED -- DAY.

We immedately find ourselves looking over the BLACK SHIELD SHAPED SHIP following it's almost non-existent curves, but following the tightly shaped edges. Steam rises from the ships edges almost like the ship is still breathing some form of life.

LANA LANG still remains outside of it looking on deeply at it, almost shocked, but not really giving that vibe. She's really too beaten and bruised to really focus on it, but she keeps moving towards it like it is drawing her to it.

At first appearence it seems the SHIP has no doors or anything even capable opening, but looks are decieving. The Ship howls like a wolf (almost like something out of WAR OF THE WORLDS) unleashing more air pressure, yet, Lana continues to inch toward it. Her hand is almost there, when the ship itself starts becoming active even more...A RED VEIN starts structuring itself within the metallic structure of the ship, forming a combo of lines that scatter then reconnect until they meet and make a certain divergent pattern, which hardens then begins to break opening...

As it opens, there is a chill that runs through Lana's veins. In reality, it's the chill coming off of the interior of the ship, itself. The inhabitants have been in form of cyrostasis allowing them to remain what they emerge as. The cold seeps out for a couple more seconds then the ships exterior finally lifts in old Sci-Fi movie fashion, but the kicker of it is it extends the paneling and it turns in itself then reshapes itself on the ships exterior.

Lana pulls back as the ship does its thing, but a part of her really wants to see what emerges from inside of it.

INSIDE TWO SHADOWS RISE, at this Lana begins to drag herself over to the nearby helicopter, where she just escaped from. It's a little ironic, but it's the nearest thing that she can find to hide from whatever will emerge from the ship. Lana still continues to look on, peeking behind the helicopter.

The TWO FIGURES emerge - one is MALE, 30s, bearded much like one of the villians in the old Superman movies, in fact, he's decked out in something loosely related to the Zod get-ups in the SUPERMAN movies, he's physically capable, has some military background one can assume by his stance and body structure. The SECOND emerges behind him, a FEMALE, also in her 30s, decked out in almost the same garb, she's got a little bit of a military vibe, but carries a motherly presence to her, something that comes off a little jaded from her appearence. She also has Clark's raven dark hair.

THE MALE takes lead completely emerging from the ship, taking heed of the surroudings around him -- noticing the damage from the meteors, the helicopter (but still not noticing Lana), and the open field (yes, we are back in another open field - it's Kansas afterall).

MALE
Ka-El is here. His presence is among this...

FEMALE
Wasteland.

MALE
Yes, wasteland.

FEMALE
Soon shall it be our kingdom.

MALE
Soon it shall.

FEMALE
First, we must find Ka-El.

MALE
Ka-El.

The TWO set foot on the soil momentarily, but don't remain there long. They begin to pull the air in around them and push off and start their flight, neither of them moving or seperating from each other's sides. The FEMALE is clearly the leader and she guides the group away.

The CAMERA pulls back from LANA rising into the air as they fly away into whatever direction the TWO are headed. All LANA can do is watch astoundedly as they fly away, something that she has never in her short life seen until this very moment. Her hands remain on the helicopter trying not to fall over.

[Summers]

*clasps*

Very well-written Derek. Your description of the black ship, and the two mysterious characters are extradionary(sp?). You really see and feel the images very vividly. The two mysterious characters gave me the image of Zod's Lts. in Superman. I'm loving it :D.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I know it's not Buffy related, but this is thread it started in. :)

[Summers]

Its okay. As long as we dont go way off topic past two/three pages. Plus its only a teaser. I dont see no harm.

But to tie into Buffyvesre. The scene of the mysterious people(Kryptonians I'm specluating) gave me the chills(good chills) when we saw the first potential slayer killed in Instanbul(sp?) in "Lessons".

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I didn't think of that way, but I see the comparsion :)

[Summers]

:lol: I thought I may be stretching with the parallel. But it just gave me that "oh, crap....cool" feel.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Yeah, I felt the same way with that intro. It really seemed to come out of nowhere.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Thanks about the avatars guys :D.

Derek, that story is going to be real insteresting :D. I loved how you, described how the ship look and also the Kryptonians! Excellent job, I can't wait to read more :D.

[Summers]

I put updates on the previous page if anyone is curious lol.

[BuZzArD 8012]

I didn't see those :D. Thanks for the updates Mel!

That stinks so bad that Michelle couldn't make it, I would have love to see her and Connor talk :D.

[Summers]

Welcome.

Uh, that episode would "The Girl In Question" there would be no way Conner and her would talk. The original idea was have Spike and Angel talk to Dawn in Summers' apartment in Italy. Michelle couldnt make due to schedule conflicts thus enters Andrew.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Oh, sorry lol. Im thinking that episode was in Season 4. I get so mix up with episodes, because there are so many in each show. Thanks for reminding me.

[Summers]

No, sorries ;). How many times do I screw up on Angel? :lol:.

I just put them in my head:
BtVS S4 was AtS S1
S5 was S2
S6 was S3
S7 was S4
off the air was S5

[BuZzArD 8012]

:lol: Yea, thats a good way to put the seasons in order. It would of been good, to see Michelle in that episode, though. I don't remember her meeting Angel. Am I right?

[Summers]

Well, depends on the perspective. Since Dawn is full of fake memories she remembers Angel. She talked to Riley how bad it was for Buffy when she was with Angel. In the graphic novel continuity Angelus tried to harm Dawnie. So technically they already meet a long time ago due to the false memories.

If your are not counting the false memories, then no they havent meet. However since "Blood Ties" the Scoobies and Joyce all count the false memories as real. That it happened. So I'm saying yes they met(but not on-screen).

Angel did talk to Dawn on the phone when he was Angleus in S4 in the episode "Salavage" to find out which slayer he was dealing with. With this scene here and the one where Dawn is talking to Riley about Angel I am definitely saying they already met due to the false memories.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Thats true, yea I remember Angelus talking to Dawn on that pay phone. So, he knows about Dawn and she must to. I know, Buffy probably told her about Angel anyway. I really have to get that Novel :D.

[Summers]

IMO Buffy did tell about the curse and such. Same info Buffy would have given to her mother. But Dawnie lived through that experience along with the Scoobies and Joyce. So she remembers how it feels during the time for herself, and for Buffy. The memories are just events of what happened, and the feelings that go with it. There is no need to tell Dawn anything unless she didnt know the whole story like Joyce didnt.

For an example, the meeting of Faith and Dawn in "Dirty Girls" Faith knows Dawn, and Dawn knows Faith. This isnt their first meeting at all due to the fake memories.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Thanks about the avatars guys :D.

Derek, that story is going to be real insteresting :D. I loved how you, described how the ship look and also the Kryptonians! Excellent job, I can't wait to read more :D.

Thanks I'll be making a thread about it, but there will be a website at some point. Just haven't got around to it. I want to have at least an episode or two under my belt before that happens.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
IMO Buffy did tell about the curse and such. Same info Buffy would have given to her mother. But Dawnie lived through that experience along with the Scoobies and Joyce. So she remembers how it feels during the time for herself, and for Buffy. The memories are just events of what happened, and the feelings that go with it. There is no need to tell Dawn anything unless she didnt know the whole story like Joyce didnt.

For an example, the meeting of Faith and Dawn in "Dirty Girls" Faith knows Dawn, and Dawn knows Faith. This isnt their first meeting at all due to the fake memories.


Oh, alright. So she knows everything that happened, since the beginning of show. Like she was there, but she really wasn't.


Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Thanks I'll be making a thread about it, but there will be a website at some point. Just haven't got around to it. I want to have at least an episode or two under my belt before that happens.

That sounds awesome! I would love to see a site, like how you made your Oz site. Which is a really cool site :D.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I'm going to try and get trailers and all going as well.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Great news, you have alot to do :D.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Oh, alright. So she knows everything that happened, since the beginning of show. Like she was there, but she really wasn't.


Exactly. Dawn even knows what happened in L.A. when Buffy was a freshmen at Hemery High. We saw a young memory of hers of Buffy swinging young Dawnie on a swing in "Blood Ties". We saw Dawn as a baby in "Weight of the World". She was never really here, but the fake memories everyone has her since the day she was born.

The cartoon series will be set in the high school years on BtVS, and Dawn will be there. They are going off the fake memories.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Whoa, I didn't know all that. I remember seeing Joyce hold Dawn and Buffy came up to her and held Dawn. It was when Willow was inside Buffy's mind.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Whoa, I didn't know all that. I remember seeing Joyce hold Dawn and Buffy came up to her and held Dawn. It was when Willow was inside Buffy's mind.

Yup. That's Buffy's fake memory of Dawn coming home. The characters now treat the memories not as fake, but that it actually happened...aww moment :D.

Dawn's arc is kinda complex, but I love it :).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Great news, you have alot to do :D.

To quote Doyle in Issue No. 1, back when the series was still on the air: "No rest for the wicked."

[BuZzArD 8012]

Hehe, yup :D. That's what I loved about the gang, they treated the memories not as fake ones, but as it truly happening.

When, I first saw Dawn, I was like what in the world lol. My dad said, the same thing when we were watching it together.


Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
To quote Doyle in Issue No. 1, back when the series was still on the air: "No rest for the wicked."

Haha :D.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I loved Dawn and in essence I think she still has some unburied metaphysical enegry, that they could have tapped into the series had continued.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012

When, I first saw Dawn, I was like what in the world lol. My dad said, the same thing when we were watching it together.


Everybody did :lol:. But how cool was that? :D. IMO They did a great job of incorportating Dawn and Conner's first arc (BtVS S5 and AtS S3) very well :D.


Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
I loved Dawn and in essence I think she still has some unburied metaphysical enegry, that they could have tapped into the series had continued.

Joss did say if he had time he would love to tap into more of that.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Hopefully he will or at least one of the writer's' will. Nancy Holder maybe.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
Everybody did :lol:. But how cool was that? :D. IMO They did a great job of incorportating Dawn and Conner's first arc (BtVS S5 and AtS S3) very well :D.

:lol: I know, it was sooo cool :D. I loved how Dawn just appeared out of nowhere :D. Same goes for Connor, he just came out nowhere to. Coming out of portable :D.

[Summers]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Hopefully he will or at least one of the writer's' will. Nancy Holder maybe.

I think Holder references to it in QUEEN OF THE SLAYERS, but I dont remember.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Still reading, if I do bump into I'll post it.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
:lol: I know, it was sooo cool :D. I loved how Dawn just appeared out of nowhere :D. Same goes for Connor, he just came out nowhere to. Coming out of portable :D.

Cool thing about Dawn she really didnt come out of nowhere. Well, technically she did lol. But Dawn was foreshadowed constantly in S3 and S4 we just didnt notice until she showed up :lol:.

Yea, Conner as well. The portal, but also with just becoming to be. I mean vampires having kids that doesnt happen.

Many people didnt like S3, but I did :D.


Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Still reading, if I do bump into I'll post it.

Thanks, Derek. I'm kind immersed in HP and the Half-Blood Prince(almost done).

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
Cool thing about Dawn she really didnt come out of nowhere. Well, technically she did lol. But Dawn was foreshadowed constantly in S3 and S4 we just didnt notice until she showed up :lol:.

Yea, Conner as well. The portal, but also with just becoming to be. I mean vampires having kids that doesnt happen.

Many people didnt like S3, but I did :D.


:lol: Yea, I loved when they both said "MOM" at the same time. That was hilarious :lol:.

I know, I heard alot of people saying they didn't like Season 3. Because of Angel taking on the responsibility of being a dad. I thought it was pretty cool, seeing Angel as a dad.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
:lol: Yea, I loved when they both said "MOM" at the same time. That was hilarious :lol:.

I know, I heard alot of people saying they didn't like Season 3. Because of Angel taking on the responsibility of being a dad. I thought it was pretty cool, seeing Angel as a dad.

Love that moment as well.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Haha, now its making me want to make a avatar out of that scene :D. Thanks again Derek ;).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

No problem.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
:lol: Yea, I loved when they both said "MOM" at the same time. That was hilarious :lol:.

I know, I heard alot of people saying they didn't like Season 3. Because of Angel taking on the responsibility of being a dad. I thought it was pretty cool, seeing Angel as a dad.

Saying "MOM!!" totally sisterly. I loved that scene.

As did I. I came across people saying they didnt like S3 or S4 on Angel. Its on a smaller board that I go to. Personally, I love it. I loved:
-teenage rage Conner
-Wesley's isolation
-Angel becoming a dad
-Fred/Gunn hook up
-Darla's arc just amazing
-Holtz as a villain was awesome.
I mean what's not to love :D. But I can understand the other side of the debate for people who didnt like it.


Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Haha, now its making me want to make a avatar out of that scene :D. Thanks again Derek ;).

What scene? The "MOM" Buffy/Dawn scene?

[BuZzArD 8012]

Yea it was :D.

I know, there was so much, you could love about Season 3. I just don't understand why people didn't like that season. I could understand Season 4. I think half of the fans, hated that season. I shore didn't :D.


Yup, the "MOM" scene :D.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

It was a solid year and it has plently of great moments. More than I expected.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Yea it was :D.

I know, there was so much, you could love about Season 3. I just don't understand why people didn't like that season. I could understand Season 4. I think half of the fans, hated that season. I shore didn't :D.


Yup, the "MOM" scene :D.

S3 was uberdark, and it isolated a lot of the Fang Gang. That's one complaint I saw. I can understand that. I do not like the isolation on SV with the characters. Its one of the reasons I enjoyed S1 because of the closeness of the characters.

ETA: Both BtVS and AtS did the isolation route, but the very next season brought the Scoobies and Fang Gang together. So there is meaning to the isolation. What's SV excuse? lol

From what I see(Dannyblue does more on the Angel fanbase than I, and what it looks right now) there was half who didnt, and the other half that did on:
AtS S3, S4, and S5
BtVS S4, S6, and S7
Granted there are things I didnt like in AtS S4, one thing in BtVS S6, and few things in S7. But overall I'm a happy slayer lol.

Oooo..cant wait to see it :D.

[BuZzArD 8012]

What do you mean by Uberdark?

There were some things I didn't like about Season 4 also. Mostly the Jasmine arc. The only season I had a problem with was Season 6 of Buffy. But same here, I happy with both of the shows :D.

Hehe, I have to find the scene. Which is going to be hard :D.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
What do you mean by Uberdark?

There were some things I didn't like about Season 4 also. Mostly the Jasmine arc. The only season I had a problem with was Season 6 of Buffy. But same here, I happy with both of the shows :D.

Hehe, I have to find the scene. Which is going to be hard :D.

Uberdark..meaning it became very, very dark with Wesley decent into isolation from the group. Angel trying to killing him. The material became very dark for many viewers. To see their Fang Gang separate meanwhile at the same time in BtVS S6 the Scoobies were separating. Both shows had the same thing happening. So while on the air it was a very dark material for the fanbases to watch. Half liked it the other half didnt. There really no half on SV S4 lol.

I enjoyed BtVS S6 and AtS S3 because of the darkness. I think they did an excellent job on the dark storylines, and metaphors. I enjoyed it a lot. Too have light (BtVS S7(or S4) AtS S1 or S5) you need to have darkness. There needs to be a balance. I enjoyed both seasons a lot :D. But I can understand why people didnt though.

The only thing I didnt like in BtVS S6 is Dawn's mini-arc in the middle of the season(I liked her in the beginning and end of that season). AtS S4 after Faith left I didnt like. Jasmine/Cordy/Conner arc I didnt like at all.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Oh ok. Thanks for telling me. Yea, both of the seasons were very dark seasons. I thought Season 4 of Angel was more darker then Angel season 3. Even though Angel tried to kill Wesley in Season 3.

Same here for Season 6 of Buffy. I wasn't feeling the whole mini arc either, but that is are opinions :D. There was probably people who did like it. But we all have are opinions.

Im still wondering what would have happen to Connor. If Charisma was never pregnant. Would Jasmine still come. Would Connor and Cordy still sleep together. I don't think, Joss would have done that, if Charisma was never pregnant.

[Summers]

IMO I thought S3 was more dark than S4 because it was more personal to the Fang Gang.

IMO If you have a opinion voice it. Just back it up without flaming someone lol. That's why I loved the Whedonverse threads and HP threads because the groups in these threads dont flame. We are very laid back, and we know what someone likes or doesnt like. But we dont look down on someone for it.

According to one of the commentaries Conner was meant to die :eek: ;).

ETA: What we know Jasmine would never come. Charisma would have been the Big Bad of that season, and there would have been a major fight with her and Angel. That was the original plan.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Yup :), I don't think anyone in this thread has flame. Thats one of the reasons why I loved this thread and the people who are in it :). Hmmm, IMO I thought it was Season 4. Because of, the whole Connor and Cordy thing. Reign of Fire, and sun being out. Them going against the BIG BAD (Beast). "Geting there behinds spanked six ways to sunday" haha :D.

lol, Im glad that didn't happen :D. Do you remember who said it?

[Summers]

Well, Jasmine was the Big Bad. Beast was the mini-Big Bad. IMO The more personal the conflicts are the more dark it is which is why I think S3 was more dark than S4. S4 not so much. It was cool with the Rain of Fire and all, but I was more scared of Angelus, Glory's darkness, and The First end of the world senerios. But I see what you are saying.

Nope. I cant recall. It was one of the writers who said Conner was meant to die. Either David Fury, Joss Whedon, or David Greenwalt. I just remember their original intention was to kill him off.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Yea, she was thr actual BIG BAD. But I didn't like the Jasmine arc at all. She was one of the reasons why Connor was trying to kill himself. Thats why I don't like her so much :p.

I have to say, the "First" had to be the scariest BiG BAD at of both of the shows IMO. What do you think Mel? :D

Oh ok, I guess I should be really happy he didn't die :D. But, I was watching a Commentary with Joss and Alexis. It was "Spin the Bottle". OMG, they were so funny, I was laughing through out the whole Commentary.

[Summers]

:lol: You wanted to repress the Jasmine arc lol.

Hmm..I have to separate. I thought for BtVS the scariest were:
-Angelus
-Faith(mini-big bad)
-Glory
-Caleb(another mini-big bad)
-Ubervamp
-The First
Those are my favorite. The most scariest is a three way tie of Angelus, Glory, and The First(and Caleb interwine in this).

On Angel:
-Holtz
-W&H
-The Beast
Those are my favorite, and number one is definitely W&H.

Joss is the man on commentary :D.

Well, I have to go. Nice talking with you John ;).

[BuZzArD 8012]

Haha, so many BIG BADS :D. But, great favorite picks :D. I would go the First and then Angelus hehe.

He sure is, that guy is one Funny man :lol:.

Ok, seeya Mel :). Nice talking with ya :D.

[mario masta]

Anyone else here think that the story with the nerds in Season 6 got really dark near the end? I mean, in the beggining of the season, I thought they were hilarious, but now their story seems so dark, especially in Seeing Red, when Warren shoots Buffy and kills Tara. :(

[angelfire east]

I love the nerds! Their so hilarious, even my brohter loves them I can see them getting really dark, since I've know for a long time Warren kills Tara and I saw Warren kills his ex-girlfriend after controlling her mind to use her for sex (I was chaning channels and happened to catch that episode. The buffy I'm watching weekdays isn't that far yet)

I got a real answer from Space finally:)


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[cayayofm]

Oh that is great, that they answered your email I really thought that they will not respond to you.

Mario masta, I really think that the nerds got really dark as the season progressed, and that started in 'Dead Things' wich is probably the darkest episode of the series as Buffy goes to the darkest place she has ever been and Warren and Jonathan too.
I really think that Faith's and Warren's arcs got really dark because they were the only humans big bads, that had been suduced by the dark side. I think that Warren's arc was interesting, how he never felt he had power over women until after he killed Katrina. When he realized that, he new that killing Buffy( the symbol of women power) would be his strongest victory and what started as a game with a robot ( wich again I feel that he made it too because he felt that he had the power of that relationsip, because infact April was a robot) ended in murder.

[aqua]

Originally posted by Summers
ETA: What we know Jasmine would never come. Charisma would have been the Big Bad of that season, and there would have been a major fight with her and Angel. That was the original plan.

I really wanted that plan.


My scariest BTVS Big Bads..
- Angelus
- Glory
- Warren got pretty scary for me just because he was a person, not anything special. It was chilling and much more scarier than Dark Willow, IMO
- Caleb
- The First

Angel..
- Wolfram and Hart
- The Beast

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

It's a pity didn't really play out that way, but I think it actually benefitted the season and rounded out the characters that much more.

[Summers]

Originally posted by mario masta
Anyone else here think that the story with the nerds in Season 6 got really dark near the end? I mean, in the beggining of the season, I thought they were hilarious, but now their story seems so dark, especially in Seeing Red, when Warren shoots Buffy and kills Tara. :(

Exactly. For a while the Nerds were the humor in the dark S6, but like many things in the Whedonverse things can become dark. After watching the series over again Warren is the person that becomes more dark. Like Becki said look at Warren did prior to "Seeing Red". This guy made girlfriend robot, and lied about it to his girlfriend. He had no respect for April the robot(Buffy gave April more respect than Warren did), heck, he was just using her. But April(like the Buffybot) has feelings, and he didnt care. Look what he did to Katrina he nearly raped her, mind violated her, and killed her. Covered up her murder, and tried to frame Buffy for it. Look how he treats Andrew and Jonathan since "Flooded" he didnt care about them. He did things on his own manner. Dark Willow was also right he is a sexist, controlling man which he even admitted in "Villians" in the woods. IMO The scary thing about Warren is he is not a metaphor. He's one of the villians in the Buffyverse that isnt a metaphor. There are sadly people just like Warren out there, and my friends and I have come across them time from time.

Andrew is the follower(which he even admits) and Jonathan is the reason to the group. Warren carried the evil of the group and controlled them with fear and acceptance.

Many people didnt like the Nerd Trio, but they hold so much more than mere humor huh?


Originally posted by cayayofm
Oh that is great, that they answered your email I really thought that they will not respond to you.

Mario masta, I really think that the nerds got really dark as the season progressed, and that started in 'Dead Things' wich is probably the darkest episode of the series as Buffy goes to the darkest place she has ever been and Warren and Jonathan too.
I really think that Faith's and Warren's arcs got really dark because they were the only humans big bads, that had been suduced by the dark side. I think that Warren's arc was interesting, how he never felt he had power over women until after he killed Katrina. When he realized that, he new that killing Buffy( the symbol of women power) would be his strongest victory and what started as a game with a robot ( wich again I feel that he made it too because he felt that he had the power of that relationsip, because infact April was a robot) ended in murder.


I agree exactly. "Dead Things" is one of the darkest of the series itself. IMO Warren always had a dark side. I mean if you really watch "I Was Made To Love You" and other hints of Warren early on in S6 there are hints everywhere of his human monster within. The more I watch S6 the more Warren's arc is interesting, and kinda scaring.


Originally posted by aqua
I really wanted that plan.


My scariest BTVS Big Bads..
- Angelus
- Glory
- Warren got pretty scary for me just because he was a person, not anything special. It was chilling and much more scarier than Dark Willow, IMO
- Caleb
- The First

I agree with you on Warren. I was so in a rush job on my ranking of the scariest Big Bads that I couldnt debate in my noggin which was scarier Warren or Dark Willow. But now that I have time, and did the other posts. I'm adding Warren to the list. He really is very chilling because he is a human with no magics. Just a regular person.

I'm adding Warren to my list of scariest BtVS Big Bads.

Gee, YQ was right on her other theory. They ran out of contract with those certain episodes. Well, that stinks. All the most talked about episodes too. Is that other channel you watch Becki show the ones that you miss?

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

It's odd to have a network have an expiration date on TV shows, but what else is new. Seems like they would buy back the rights. I mean UPN replays every episode, despite not being the key network.

[Summers]

Maybe its different in other countries :confused:. They have an expiration date whereas in US they dont have one.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Could be. I'll have to check into that one.

[angelfire east]

I think Warren is scary and I haven't even seen all the bad thigns that has happened; though some of the worst things he's done and know about the other (killing Tara while trying to kill Buffy). You guys it on the nail for the reason why he's so scary, he's human with no magics. Just a regular person. Could be the guy you when to school with or live next store too.

I don't know if it's didn't in other countries. The other channel I catch BtVS some weekend (it's where I saw Hush and the Body) is a Canadian channel, in fact I'm pretty sure owned by the same place as Space.

I don't really know:( I wish I had known I would have just added up the dates and watched say "the Gift" on City TV even if it was way a head what I'm watching at the time. But now my mom is even a little more likely to let me buy the DVDs, so there my silver lining.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

From what I've seen of the American treatment with the network is the buy the franchise rights for the channel and the channel is allowed to allow it as long as their contract is intact. FX is one of the many networks in American that own the rights and are allowed to show the entire seasons through. UPN does as well.

The DVDs are worth every penny.

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east
I think Warren is scary and I haven't even seen all the bad thigns that has happened; though some of the worst things he's done and know about the other (killing Tara while trying to kill Buffy). You guys it on the nail for the reason why he's so scary, he's human with no magics. Just a regular person. Could be the guy you when to school with or live next store too.

I don't really know:( I wish I had known I would have just added up the dates and watched say "the Gift" on City TV even if it was way a head what I'm watching at the time. But now my mom is even a little more likely to let me buy the DVDs, so there my silver lining.

Yea, Warren is scary. Even when he is The First/Warren he is still scary. Adam Busch who plays Warren, and who is dating Amber Benson(Tara), did a great job at playing him. For a long while I hated Warren. Now I love to hate Warren because how evil he truly is. He's kinda like BtVS Lilah, but he's a male lol.

See, always a silver lining :D.

Hey, Becki I finished HBP :D. I put my review in the thread.

[mario masta]

Geez, I used to love seeing Warren and his two pals (because they were funny) but now I'm gald that Willow ends up killing him. That doesn't make me a bad person, does it? :lol:

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Warren in my mind = Jonathon and Andrew. Two my favorite geek characters in the long run history of geekdom. Andrew's transformation into ally worked on so many levels and redeem him as a whole, and I've been a fan of Jonathon since Jonathon back in S4. It was ticked that they killed him, but I think it had to come down to it and through Andrew I really thought Jonathon was redeemed. Even though, on some basis level Andrew can loosely relate to Spike after killing his best friend.

[Summers]

:lol: no, doesnt mean your a bad person Mario lol. Many people said the same thing. He was evil to the bone, and I was glad to an extent to see him killed. I loved the moral dilemna(Whedon shows do it a lot) Warren's action face.

I loved this scene from "Villians":

BUFFY: (sighing) We need to find Willow.
XANDER: Yeah, she's off the wagon big-time. Warren's a dead man if she finds him.
DAWN: (bitterly) Good.
BUFFY: Dawn, don't say that.
DAWN: Why not? (the others looking at her) I'd do it myself if I could.
BUFFY: Because you don't really feel that way.
DAWN: Yes I do. And you should too. He killed Tara, and he nearly killed you. He needs to pay.
XANDER: Out of the mouths of babes.
BUFFY: Xander.
XANDER: I'm just saying he's ... he's just as bad as any vampire you've sent to dustville.
BUFFY: Being a Slayer doesn't give me a license to kill. Warren's human.
DAWN: (scoffs) So?
BUFFY: So the human world has its own rules for dealing with people like him.
XANDER: Yeah, we all know how well those rules work.
BUFFY: Sometimes they do. Sometimes they don't. We can't control the universe. If we were supposed to ... then the magic wouldn't change Willow the way it does. And ... we'd be able to bring Tara back.
DAWN: (very quietly) And Mom.
BUFFY: There are limits to what we can do. There should be. Willow doesn't want to believe that. And now she's messing with forces that want to hurt her. All of us.
XANDER: I just ... I've had blood on my hands all day. (looks Buffy in the eye) Blood from people I love.
BUFFY: I know. And now it has to stop. Warren's going to get what he deserves. I promise . But I will *not* let Willow destroy herself.

What Buffy says speaks truth. Human laws dont always work, but there is a reason why we have them. There is always a reason, and this discussion echoes "The Gift" dilemna about Dawn and Ben.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Mel and I posting at the same time lol. Nothing new on these threads.

[Summers]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Mel and I posting at the same time lol. Nothing new on these threads.

Aint that the truth :D. I noticed you covered Andrew and Jonathan. I did Warren, and the moral dilmena. This time we didnt jinx :lol:.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Not yet at least.

[mario masta]

:lol: :rotfl: :lol:

Well, thanks you guys, and thanks for the quotes Mel, but I haven't seen that episode yet (airs tomorrow,) so I'll just skip it. ;)

But man, I really liked Tara too (and not just because of the girl-on-girl action between her and Willow.)

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Tara was a great character. Defintely a mixed bag at first but as she grew into being a part of the Scoobies, she really found her niche and wasn't just Will's lover but a whole individual that protected Willow and loved her Scoobies. It was unfornatue that she met her by Warren't stupidity, but life has a knack for throwing curveballs and that was one of them.

Just couldn't imagine Willow jumping in with Kennedy so quickly after all that happened. It was a relationship that really didn't just click with me on the show. Willow and Tara on the other hand was an instant click, that I slowly adjusted to. Kennedy and Willow, not at all.

[Summers]

Oops, I'm so sorry :lol:. At least there was some far warning lol. Sorry, I keep forgetting what episodes all you have seen. I tend to that a lot.

I loved Tara's character. She was intergal part to the Scoobies. At times the voice of reason, or a support group. In S6 she was Buffy's solid support. She was a second mother figure to Dawn. I really enjoyed Tara's character, and Amber Benson did a great job. I cried in "Seeing Red" and "Villians" over Tara, and the heartfelt references to her character in the last season.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

There's an even a Dark Willow Trilogy spin-off based off of the whole Dark Willow situation and what could have happened. I've read part of one, but haven't seen any of the other ones.

[Summers]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis

Just couldn't imagine Willow jumping in with Kennedy so quickly after all that happened. It was a relationship that really didn't just click with me on the show. Willow and Tara on the other hand was an instant click, that I slowly adjusted to. Kennedy and Willow, not at all.

I clicked very easily to Tara/Willow once we got to S5 lol. I'm a shipper for all seasons in the Buffyvesre. I love them all because they are so unique and well done. However....Willow/Kennedy I never have, and never will. As a viewer I hadnt healed from Tara's death yet, and it just seem too quick for me. Out of all the ships Willow/Kennedy was the only one I didnt click or like in BtVS.


Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
There's an even a Dark Willow Trilogy spin-off based off of the whole Dark Willow situation and what could have happened. I've read part of one, but haven't seen any of the other ones.

yea, I saw it. Its an alternate senerio of what happened at the end of S6. I still havent read any of them yet. I'm planning to soon lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Just thought about it....we need another Buffy game or at in the least an Angel game. Defintely starting to need my fix again.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Yea, I would love a Angel game also.

Love the new avy Derek :).

[TMLS' BROTHER]

Angel game would be awesome!

Especially if you could be puppet angel or [Lorne's home dimension] Angel!!

I've still yet to complete either buffy game I've got the first but I died and I haven't played it since one day. At the mo. I'm playing X-Men Legends haven't played that in a few days.

[BuZzArD 8012]

I beaten both Buffy games :D. They were both awesome games :D. But I would really love a Angel game, with all the characters in it. But, there is really no chance of that happening.

[atrufan14]

i've beaten the first buffy game on GBA but i don't have the right platforms to play the second one (chaos bleeds) on. is it good coz i was thinking about getting a PS2 or XBoX. trouble is so many new platforms are being released that you need all of them to make sure that you can play most games. i still have my PS and play the first 2 hp games on it but the third one wasn't released on PS and i found that that was the best console :( . Looks like gof will be released on PS2 though.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

I struggle with games in general these days, but I do play when I have the chance. I have more of a ball creating stories and bringing them to life then actively going through a game level.

[atrufan14]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
I struggle with games in general these days, but I do play when I have the chance. I have more of a ball creating stories and bringing them to life then actively going through a game level.

lol - i'm no good at writing stories

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Love the Fog icon. Makes my horror film side proud to see a remake of it.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
I struggle with games in general these days, but I do play when I have the chance. I have more of a ball creating stories and bringing them to life then actively going through a game level.

Haha, I bet you do Derek ;).

[atrufan14]

cheers bout the icon (you did mean my avatar right). i am a rookie at all fan art and avatars, but i do my best. lol :)

[Summers]

Originally posted by atrufan14
i've beaten the first buffy game on GBA but i don't have the right platforms to play the second one (chaos bleeds) on. is it good coz i was thinking about getting a PS2 or XBoX. trouble is so many new platforms are being released that you need all of them to make sure that you can play most games. i still have my PS and play the first 2 hp games on it but the third one wasn't released on PS and i found that that was the best console :( . Looks like gof will be released on PS2 though.

Actually GoF and PoA games were released on all platforms. I saw GoF and PoA on XBOX, PS2, and Gamecube. The first Buffy game was only on XBOX, and the second one released on all platforms.

The last rumor I heard they thought of making another Buffy game since Chaos Bleeds did, so well.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by atrufan14
cheers bout the icon (you did mean my avatar right). i am a rookie at all fan art and avatars, but i do my best. lol :)


You did a great job :).

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Yeah, it the avatar or avi. Rocks!


Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Haha, I bet you do Derek ;).

I truly do.

[Summers]

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She's back to blonde again :). She definitely is looking the part of a porn star. Look at her makeup. They did a great job on her eyelashes and eyelids. She looks great. Btw, Sarah believes in not showing too much skin ;). Dont believe the Internet rumors lol. These are just behind-the-scene pictures from the set lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Love the new SMG pics.

[atrufan14]

SMG is in southland tales with the rock right? it seems an odd mix.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

All I can remember is she's a porn star hence my obessession with the photos lol.

[atrufan14]

she does look like a porn star lol.

[Summers]

Originally posted by atrufan14
SMG is in southland tales with the rock right? it seems an odd mix.

That's Richard Kelley lol. The director of Donnie Darko. Yea, The Rock, Kevin Smith, and Sean William Scott are also in it. From what I heard its suppose to be an odd mix, but it goes with the vibe of the movie. Its already getting good buzz on the script leaks. Most likely the film will be rated R, but if not I'll be surprised lol.


Originally posted by atrufan14
she does look like a porn star lol.

She does doesnt she. IMO As compared to how her hair and makeup were on Buffy or in The Grudge she looks older here.

[Summers]

According to the Southland Tales blog by the director the shoot is only schedule to take only 30 Days(but you know that is not very likely in Hollywood. Here is what Kelley said in a recent blog about SMG:

This movie is going to blow any Sarah Michelle Gellar typecasting out of the water. It may throw some of her fan base for a major loop
http://richard-kelly.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1391

There is speculation that her blonde hair is a wig, but if it is dang that's good wig :). She wore wigs on Scooby-Doo movies, and IMO the second movie was the best wig. If this one is a wig it looks really, really authentic :D.

The tentetive release for this movie maybe in Summer 2006.

[vyperman7]

Whoh...

SMG is going to be cast as a porn star?

Should be interesting.

[Summers]

Yup. With Kelly expect the unexpected :lol:. Its getting good buzz :).

The film is already being shot right now. It should be done at least by mid-Sept.

Here is a info on SMG's another project Revolver. She filmed this already earlier this summer.


I found out from Jeff Silver that Sarah Michelle Gellar's character has been having visions of the violent death of a girl that looks exactly like her. The visions start showing her pieces of the day that lead up to the death of the girl and Gellar becomes obsessed with putting the puzzle pieces together.
Spoilers:
http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=20412

This project is expected to release some time late 2006.

[yellowqueen22]

Originally posted by Summers
When the characters sing they sing their inner-most fears and insecurities for everyone to hear. The songs that play throughout the episode are everyones fear, or telling the truth in many cases. The song "Something To Sing About" is Buffy's song where she is singing in the Bronze, and where she lets everyone knows she was in Heaven(as Derek said). The word "comfort" is a very good choice of words. The physical, sexual Spuffy S6 is really the only comfort Buffy's has because right now living is hell...but after while Spike can no longer make her feel better. She has to feel better on her own(I love that theme :) ).

Buffy's lyrics before they kiss describe it all... "I touch the fire and it freezes me... I look into it and its black... This isn't real, but I just want to feel... [KISS]"

[Summers]

Originally posted by yellowqueen22
Buffy's lyrics before they kiss describe it all... "I touch the fire and it freezes me... I look into it and its black... This isn't real, but I just want to feel... [KISS]"

Yup. Sums it up. She wants to feel. To have comfort, and she got some of that from Spike. But soon it no longer makes her happy. She has to feel on her own.

[yellowqueen22]

Sorry that I've been gone so long... finally back home... with Buffy & Angel DVDs.... YEAH!!!!

[Summers]

No sorries :). Just glad you made it home safe and sound :D.

[yellowqueen22]

Thanks... my sister & I are planning a Firefly marathon next week... she's never seen it... but she is a huge Buffy fan. She's been staying in my apartment for the summer and watched all my Angel DVDs... so now she's an Angel fan too.

[Summers]

Basically she will be a Whedonverse fan :lol:. My sister is the same lol.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Welcome back YQ22.

[angelfire east]

One thing I've really noised about season 6 is it's so sexual. It shows a lot more then I though it would. I can so see Buffy and Spikes relationship doing more harm then good, it already is.

I feel for Willow so much, she really hit rock bottum(sp) with the Dawn and the car crush and I'm gald she doing better even though I know she turns into 'dark Willow' later in the season but I think it will be Tara's murder that pushs her over the edge back to her 'drug' and more evil then ever before

BTw Alyson break down after the car crush was very well acted! I think she was more believeble then KK's Lana or even sometimes Allison's Chloe on SV.

[vyperman7]

Season six was a great season in my opinion. It is so terribly underrated. A lot of people consider it to be one of the worst seasons of the show, but I love it. It is probably my third favorite season after seasons three and five.

Now the season that I feel is overrated just a bit would have to be the second season. I am waiting for Mel to jump all over me for saying this, but that is just how I feel. Don't get me wrong. It is still a very good season. Some of my all time favorite episodes are in it like Halloween, Bothered, Bewitched, and Bewildered(funniest episode of the show), School Hard, etc.. But this season had some stinkers in there as well, and that is why I feel the season as a whole is overrated. Seasons three and five for example were awesome from straight to finish. I think both of them only had one or two episodes that I was not really into.

How I would rank the show :

1) S3 - One of the best seasons of any show that I have ever seen. Amazing from start to finish. Loved practically every episode, and the Mayor and Faith are both great!!

2) S5 - A great villan and wonderful continuity.

3) S6 - Loved Evil Willow and The Trio

4) S2- The introduction of Spike and Angelus

5) S1 - In my opinion, SMG looked the hottest in this season, and the Master was a cool villan. I loved getting to know all of the characters.

6) S7 - A season that was good but not great. (Sorry Mel)... LOL Did not like the potential slayer storyline at all. Kennedy = an annoying bi*ch... LOL

7) S4 - Definately the weakest season of the show. Still good for episodes like Hush and Something Blue though. The finale from this season was probably my least favorite. Both Adam and Riley were terrible characters!! The thing that pissed me off is that I got Riley back when I took the character test. Saying you are like your least favorite character sucks.. LOL

[mario masta]

Damn...SMG DOES look like a porn star! :eek:

[Summers]

Originally posted by angelfire east
One thing I've really noised about season 6 is it's so sexual. It shows a lot more then I though it would. I can so see Buffy and Spikes relationship doing more harm then good, it already is.


It is, and its meant to be. Its very, dark sexual material in this season. However, they really dont show that much of skin. Spike nor Buffy did not set-up any boundaries in their relationship whatsoever, but what happens here makes great warming Spuffyness in S7 with boundaries and without the physical connection. In S6 Spuffy Buffy and Spike were both harming each other.


Originally posted by vyperman7
Season six was a great season in my opinion. It is so terribly underrated. A lot of people consider it to be one of the worst seasons of the show, but I love it. It is probably my third favorite season after seasons three and five.

Now the season that I feel is overrated just a bit would have to be the second season. I am waiting for Mel to jump all over me for saying this, but that is just how I feel. Don't get me wrong. It is still a very good season. Some of my all time favorite episodes are in it like Halloween, Bothered, Bewitched, and Bewildered(funniest episode of the show), School Hard, etc.. But this season had some stinkers in there as well, and that is why I feel the season as a whole is overrated. Seasons three and five for example were awesome from straight to finish. I think both of them only had one or two episodes that I was not really into.


S6 had a mix reaction when it aired roughly half the fanbase liked while the other half didnt. S4 to this day is looked upon as the worst of the series. However, with the ever growing fanbase S6 is getting a lot of appreciation of what it was(academic professors still write essays about it). People love the themes and metaphors that season represented. So as of right now its get a lot of love.

Uh, why would I jump all over you? :lol:. S2 was a great season, but its not in my top three. As I recall when you watched it I agreed with you on being overrated on many parts. It was S4 we heavily disagreed upon not S2 :lol: :). I think another poster disagreed with you on that. I still think BtVS S4 was far better than SV S4. I can watch the whole dvd without cringing, but SV S4 I cannot. To this day I still rank the seasons:
1)S5
2)S3
3)S7
4)S4
5)S6
6)S2
7)S1

ETA: Furthermore I do think BtVS S2 was far better than SV S2. Joss did a better job at his seasonal arcs from beginning to end whereas S2 was slow going, and many arcs were dropped.

[vyperman7]

Oh yeah,

We disagreed on seasons 4&7 didn't we?

I also posted quite a bit over on tvtome when it was still active on the Buffy board, and I think it was someone over there who loved season two that disagreed with me about it.

Season two of Smallville was so inconsistant!!

Some truly awesome episodes - Rosetta, Red, Vortex, Heat, Duplicity, Insurgence, Calling, Exodus, and Prodigal.

But some terrible ones as well. The whole season felt mixed.

The only reason why I would say that season two of Smallville is better than season one, is because season two had an actual storyline, whereas, season one just focused on the FOTW's and Clark's feelings for Lana.

So far, I would have to say that season three of Smallville has been its strongest season.

[Summers]

Yea, it was S4 and S7 we disagreed upon. For a minute I had to think way back "Did, I disagree on S2 with Ryan?" :lol:.

But I understand your points of view on S4 and S7. There are things I cannot stand in the last season, and it still bugs the heck out of me. But still you know me if there are strong themes, and are presented well I love lol.

You know I found an interesting article on Riley that maybe you want to read some time. Its not to sway your opinion or anything, but its a good read.

S2 is definitely a high regarded fan favorite, so I can see why that poster and you were disagreeing. I'm watching S2 now, and there are episodes I loved it and arcs. Its my teenage sister's favorite season, but me I dont put it on that high regard. It was good though, and the Angelus arc was one of the best on tv.


Originally posted by vyperman7

Season two of Smallville was so inconsistant!!

Some truly awesome episodes - Rosetta, Red, Vortex, Heat, Duplicity, Insurgence, Calling, Exodus, and Prodigal.

But some terrible ones as well. The whole season felt mixed.

The only reason why I would say that season two of Smallville is better than season one, is because season two had an actual storyline, whereas, season one just focused on the FOTW's and Clark's feelings for Lana.

So far, I would have to say that season three of Smallville has been its strongest season.

Hmm...I'm actually loving S1 a lot more than S2 because there was multiple arcs in that one season:
-Nixon/Lex
-Clex
-the SV gang
-the parents
-school atmosphere.
Plus it kept the themes of SV in that one season. I thought S1 had a really good solid foundation for the series. The character depth was good, and the characterization. To me the show lost those themes. S3 was the strongests(I do think S1 was strong as well), however, I just wished Clark wasnt so stagnate in his development. I guess what I'm trying to say is as the seasons go by we dont have a balance anymore, and the themes seemed to be misplaced or there is just too much commericalism. So with that I'm loving S1 a lot more.

With Buffyverse we had various themes, but the shows primary themes were intertwined in a season as well. So we were very fortunate.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
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She's back to blonde again :). She definitely is looking the part of a porn star. Look at her makeup. They did a great job on her eyelashes and eyelids. She looks great. Btw, Sarah believes in not showing too much skin ;). Dont believe the Internet rumors lol. These are just behind-the-scene pictures from the set lol.


Thanks for the updates Mel! Sarah really does look like a porn star, I must be the 5th person saying this lol. But she does.

[vyperman7]

Yeah, the Angelus arc was cool. Loved the end of Passion. Although the episode as a whole was a tad slow. I was having a hard time getting into the whole student/teacher storyline.

But the episodes from S2 I could watch over and over again are Halloween, Bothered, Bewitched, and Bewildered, School Hard, Suprise, Innocence, and Becoming PTs 1&2.

I did not like SMG's hair style in season two. To me, a woman's hair can have something to do with their sex appeal. For example, Teri Hatcher in seasons one and two of L&C = WHOO HOO. But then when she cut it short, she kinda lost it for me.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Thanks for the updates Mel! Sarah really does look like a porn star, I must be the 5th person saying this lol. But she does.

:rotfl: :rotfl:

I think so :lol:.

Marc's new movie sounds very interesting as well.


Originally posted by vyperman7
Yeah, the Angelus arc was cool. Loved the end of Passion. Although the episode as a whole was a tad slow. I was having a hard time getting into the whole student/teacher storyline.

But the episodes from S2 I could watch over and over again are Halloween, Bothered, Bewitched, and Bewildered, School Hard, Suprise, Innocence, and Becoming PTs 1&2.

I did not like SMG's hair style in season two. To me, a woman's hair can have something to do with their sex appeal. For example, Teri Hatcher in seasons one and two of L&C = WHOO HOO. But then when she cut it short, she kinda lost it for me.

I'll say this much I can watch the BtVS S2 dvd over again, and not get mad. But every time I watch the end of "Insurgence" I get mad when Martha's spying on Lionel is never brought up.

:lol: I'll never get men lol.....just teasing you Ryan ;). I never thought hair would be sex appeal. You know why it was cut short right? Right after S1 she went to film I Know What You Did Last Summer, and her character's hair is chopped off. I thought it was a cute do, but my personal perferance is that I like when Sarah's hair is long.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
:rotfl: :rotfl:

I think so :lol:.

Marc's new movie sounds very interesting as well.

:lol: Haha I was right :D.

Yea, I have to check his new movie and also Clare :D.

[vyperman7]

Mel,

I can't remember...

What did you think of Angel's fourth season. It was probably my favorite season of Angel, with season three as a close second. I really liked the first season as well. It had some great standalone episodes. Season two was good, but bogged down with too many flashbacks into Angel's life. I understand why they did it. You have to really establish the character, especially since the show now focuses on him. But it slowed down the pace of the season. I really liked the story arc with Pylea near the end of the season though.

From what I remember you liked season five right? For me it was decent, but probably my least favorite season.

[Summers]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Mel,

I can't remember...

What did you think of Angel's fourth season. It was probably my favorite season of Angel, with season three as a close second. I really liked the first season as well. It had some great standalone episodes. Season two was good, but bogged down with too many flashbacks into Angel's life. I understand why they did it. You have to really establish the character, especially since the show now focuses on him. But it slowed down the pace of the season. I really liked the story arc with Pylea near the end of the season though.

From what I remember you liked season five right? For me it was decent, but probably my least favorite season.

We differed on Angel a lot more than we did on BtVS as I recall.

Um, overall AtS S4 is on the bottom of my list for Angel. I like the season up to a point, but once Faith left I really didnt enjoy the season with the Conner/Cordy/Jasmine arc. I really couldnt stand it.

S2 on Angel is my favorite season See, with history there is a degree of bias because I majored in the subject. Plus Joss loves bringing history into his shows(Firefly just to name one lol). So I really, really enjoyed S2 a lot because of the characterization of Angel, Darla, Dru, and rest of the Fang Gang. I loved beginning to end. Now that I think about I loved AtS S2 more than BtVS S2 at times depending on my mood :lol:. I didnt find it slow at all I thought some beginning parts of AtS S5 were far slower lol.

S5 I loved it mostly because just like BtVS S7 it went back to the beginning with W&H, Lindsey, Cordy, Doyle(indirect reference), and Illyria. I think its a definitely up a notch on my list than AtS S4.
I rank them as:
1)S2
2)S1
3)S3
4)S5
5)S4

[BuZzArD 8012]

OMG! Did you guys read this?

http://www.slayerverse.org/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=25166

[vyperman7]

Illyria was a great character. Amy did a great job in the role. Fred started out as a character that I did not really care for, but she grew on me. However, Fredless is one of the worst episodes of the show period!!

Now in regards to season four, I was really into it because of the storyline with the Beast, evil Cordelia, and the stuff with Connor. Connor is one of my favorite characters. I also loved the return of Willow, Faith, and Angelus as well. Jasmine did suck. I will admit that. Plus, Home is not one of my favorite episodes either. But the stuff before Jasmine showed up was so good, that it made me like season four the most.

The character I really liked in Angel was Holtz.

Wesley went from a character that I did not really like to one of my favorites.

Now as far as the history in season two, I liked it. I just thought that there was a bit too much.

Speaking of Firefly, I never got a chance to see the show, but everyone raves about it...

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
OMG! Did you guys read this?

http://www.slayerverse.org/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=25166

Uh, John we did see this. We discussed it in this thread when the "Thirst" spoilers were released a long time ago. Remember the venting all of us did? :lol:.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Oh, sorry! I don't think I was here Mel.

[vyperman7]

Mel,

I just wanted to say that I thought it was cool that S1 of Angel was so high up on your list. I really love the first season of Angel. Doyle is my all time favorite character from Angel too. One of my all time favorite Angel moments is in the pilot episode when Angel kicks the higher up vamp out of the window from the top floor of Wolfram and Hart. That was freakin sweet right there.

I would have to say that Hero is probably my second favorite episode after Appocolypse Nowish.

Episodes of Angel I love :

- Appocolypse Nowish
- Hero
- I Will Remember You
- Sleep Tight
- Reunion

[Summers]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Illyria was a great character. Amy did a great job in the role. Fred started out as a character that I did not really care for, but she grew on me. However, Fredless is one of the worst episodes of the show period!!

Now in regards to season four, I was really into it because of the storyline with the Beast, evil Cordelia, and the stuff with Connor. Connor is one of my favorite characters. I also loved the return of Willow, Faith, and Angelus as well. Jasmine did suck. I will admit that. Plus, Home is not one of my favorite episodes either. But the stuff before Jasmine showed up was so good, that it made me like season four the most.

The character I really liked in Angel was Holtz.

Wesley went from a character that I did not really like to one of my favorites.

Now as far as the history in season two, I liked it. I just thought that there was a bit too much.

Speaking of Firefly, I never got a chance to see the show, but everyone raves about it...

Ah, I loved "Fredless" come on you didnt laugh when Fred's mom ran over the demon on the bus :lol:. Its quite loved. IMO The worst episode in the show period "Why We Fight" there was no reason for that episode period. It was the WB pressuring Joss to do stand alone episodes, and roughly the moment Joss stand "nope we do things my way" :D.

It wasnt evil Cordelia, but was Jasmine. I would rather have evil Cordelia without the possession. That was a bad loophole :(. Conner in S4 I cant stand. Sorry, he was just a whipped lapdog to Cordy/Jasmine. I couldnt stand it, and just got on my nerves. Its the only season I cant stand with that boy. "Home" I did love because it set-up S5 great. Sometimes you dont need a big battle to be a season finale, or a giant cliffhanger(which SV still hasnt realized). It was great setup. I loved "Home", and for once in a long while that was the episode I was able to reconnect to Conner again because before I couldnt stand him.

I agree with you on Holtz. I loved Holtz, and I think one of the strongest series arcs was Wesley's arc from beginning to end. I would just watch the show just to see his development lol.

I bought the series boxset, and let me tell you I loved it. I am so hooked on that show. Its terrific, and I cant rave enough about it. After watching I loved that show more than Angel believe it or not(still Buffy is number on in my book). The main lead Capt. Mal Reynolds is just plain awesome. I think there is some elements of him you might like Ryan.


Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Oh, sorry! I don't think I was here Mel.

:lol: Uh, yea you were :lol:. I just think you forgot again lol.


Originally posted by vyperman7
Mel,

I just wanted to say that I thought it was cool that S1 of Angel was so high up on your list. I really love the first season of Angel. Doyle is my all time favorite character from Angel too. One of my all time favorite Angel moments is in the pilot episode when Angel kicks the higher up vamp out of the window from the top floor of Wolfram and Hart. That was freakin sweet right there.

I would have to say that Hero is probably my second favorite episode after Appocolypse Nowish.

Episodes of Angel I love :

- Appocolypse Nowish
- Hero
- I Will Remember You
- Sleep Tight
- Reunion

Yea, S1 was to me a very strong season that had a little bit of everything. I enjoyed it a lot.

Hmm..only five we love right? Oh, I'm so terrible at choosing lol. Um, for me in no order:
-Hero
-I Will Remember You
-Are You Now Or Have You Ever Been
-Smile Time
-Not Fade Away

That is the best I can do lol.

[vyperman7]

It is all about The Cautionary Tale of Numero Cinco... LOL

[Summers]

Ugh, I rewatched that episode, and I like it somewhat. But still not so much lol. My sister loves it mostly because of the Mexican wrestlers were all sweaty lol.

[vyperman7]

Why We Fight was kind of bleh. It did just seem to come out of the blue.

[Summers]

It was. I mean I love WW2 history, and I didnt even like :( :lol:. I like that we knew what happened if a soul vampire sired, but it did nothing to futher the story. Total WB pressure on stand alone episodes on Angel. IMO You can tell the difference of storytelling right after that. Joss just said No lol.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
:lol: Uh, yea you were :lol:. I just think you forgot again lol.

Oh, lol :lol:.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Oh, lol :lol:.

Maybe W&H erased your memory? You really are Conner :eek: lol.

Ah, my silly John lol.

[BuZzArD 8012]

:lol: Haha, *Who's John*? lol :rotfl:

[Summers]

Uh, that would be my line. You would still be John, but our minds would be erased :lol:. You memory would be altered lol.

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Season six was a great season in my opinion. It is so terribly underrated. A lot of people consider it to be one of the worst seasons of the show, but I love it. It is probably my third favorite season after seasons three and five.

Now the season that I feel is overrated just a bit would have to be the second season. I am waiting for Mel to jump all over me for saying this, but that is just how I feel. Don't get me wrong. It is still a very good season. Some of my all time favorite episodes are in it like Halloween, Bothered, Bewitched, and Bewildered(funniest episode of the show), School Hard, etc.. But this season had some stinkers in there as well, and that is why I feel the season as a whole is overrated. Seasons three and five for example were awesome from straight to finish. I think both of them only had one or two episodes that I was not really into.


Hmm I'm the complete opposite. 2nd season is my favorite Buffy season and season 6 is my least favorite. Season 6 had some things that I liked, but overall in my opinion it was the weakest season, although I do respect the opinions of those who see it differently. One of the things that I really disliked was the way that Willow's arc was handled. I just think that it could have been better handled. If I had to rate the seasons I'd do it this way:

1. S2
2. S3
3. S5
4. S7
5. S4
6. S6

[Summers]

Where's S1 Alice?

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
Uh, that would be my line. You would still be John, but our minds would be erased :lol:. You memory would be altered lol.

:lol: Mel, did you make a deal with W&H, so my memory would be altered? :rotfl:

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
:lol: Mel, did you make a deal with W&H, so my memory would be altered? :rotfl:

:rotfl:

Wouldnt be me. Maybe its Derek...muhaha. I'm over in Sunnydale fighting The First lol(timeline speaking Sunnydale wasnt a crater yet lol).

[BuZzArD 8012]

:lol: Im going to have to talk to Derek lol :D. Haha, you should be fighting Caleb :D.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
:lol: Im going to have to talk to Derek lol :D. Haha, you should be fighting Caleb :D.

You cant talk to Derek yet. Your going to college remember ;).

I got the Slayer Scythe. It slices and dices in three ways :D :lol:.

[aqua]

Originally posted by MBCorp
Hmm I'm the complete opposite. 2nd season is my favorite Buffy season and season 6 is my least favorite. Season 6 had some things that I liked, but overall in my opinion it was the weakest season, although I do respect the opinions of those who see it differently. One of the things that I really disliked was the way that Willow's arc was handled. I just think that it could have been better handled. If I had to rate the seasons I'd do it this way:

1. S2
2. S3
3. S5
4. S7
5. S4
6. S6

Agreed. Mine are:

S2
S5
S4
S7
S1
S3
S6

Season two, for me, was easily the best season. When I watch it compared with season six, there is no comparison. I personally think Willow should have turned evil at Smashed because I felt it was kind of anticlimatic her turning evil so late.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Originally posted by Summers
You cant talk to Derek yet. Your going to college remember ;).

I got the Slayer Scythe. It slices and dices in three ways :D :lol:.


:lol: Oh yea, I think I skip one class ;) :p

:lol: I love that axe :D.

[Summers]

Originally posted by aqua
Agreed. Mine are:

S2
S5
S4
S7
S1
S3
S6

Season two, for me, was easily the best season. When I watch it compared with season six, there is no comparison. I personally think Willow should have turned evil at Smashed because I felt it was kind of anticlimatic her turning evil so late.

Of course you know I disagree on S6, but how can Willow turn evil just like that in "Smashed"? Because the only time Willow ever showed any sign of having evil tendencies is when one of friends or girlfriend/boyfriends either hurt her or betrayed her("Wild At Heart", "Something Blue", and "Tough Love"). When Tara left Willow knew she did wrong, and she couldnt blame anyone else for her pain but herself. That choice to do the spell in "Tabula Rasa" was her choice, and she knew it. She couldnt go all evil for what she clearly know she did wrong. So I dont see her turning evil at that point at all in "Smashed" there was no reason for her to, and it would be out of character for her to. Plus the dark magic is to represent drug addiction which they did when she was trying to recover but then fell off the horse. IMO It was very climatic, and had great build-up. It was gradual way to get to the end, and Joss always does that with all of his show's seasons.

Wow, I never seen anyone rank S4 in the top three. That's new experience for me.


Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
:lol: Oh yea, I think I skip one class ;) :p

:lol: I love that axe :D.

Not yet. Your just enrolling lol.

Its an axe, sword, and a stake in one :D.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Haha lol :D.

Really? I never know that. I thought it was just a pretty axe, that could slice and dice :D.

[Summers]

Originally posted by BuZzArD 8012
Haha lol :D.

Really? I never know that. I thought it was just a pretty axe, that could slice and dice :D.

Yea, just look at a screencap or watch "Chosen". The axe part is at the top, but it as a pointing top that can be used to hurt an enemy. Now that I think about there was not really a sword, but length of it was that of a sword. Then there was the red jewel(very pretty), and then the nice looking stake. A company actually made a real slayer scythe a while back along with some other weapons from the show.

Joss kept one of the slayer scythes.

[BuZzArD 8012]

Whoa, I never know all of that. Thats awesome, I want one :D. Joss is soo lucky hehe :D.

But, I have to go! Nice chatting with you Mel. Seeya :).

[aqua]

Originally posted by Summers
Of course you know I disagree on S6, but how can Willow turn evil just like that in "Smashed"? Because the only time Willow ever showed any sign of having evil tendencies is when one of friends or girlfriend/boyfriends either hurt her or betrayed her("Wild At Heart", "Something Blue", and "Tough Love"). When Tara left Willow knew she did wrong, and she couldnt blame anyone else for her pain but herself. That choice to do the spell in "Tabula Rasa" was her choice, and she knew it. She couldnt go all evil for what she clearly know she did wrong. So I dont see her turning evil at that point at all in "Smashed" there was no reason for her to, and it would be out of character for her to. Plus the dark magic is to represent drug addiction which they did when she was trying to recover but then fell off the horse. IMO It was very climatic, and had great build-up. It was gradual way to get to the end, and Joss always does that with all of his show's seasons.

Wow, I never seen anyone rank S4 in the top three. That's new experience for me.



Not yet. Your just enrolling lol.

Its an axe, sword, and a stake in one :D.

:rotfl: I liked Adam, and season three bored me in the beginning and I disliked six and one was too short. So, it kind of just happened.

I know that it needed to be gradual and it wouldn't have made sense, but it felt too rushed and all that. I dunno, I judt wasn't comfortable with it.

[Summers]

Originally posted by aqua
:rotfl: I liked Adam, and season three bored me in the beginning and I disliked six and one was too short. So, it kind of just happened.

I know that it needed to be gradual and it wouldn't have made sense, but it felt too rushed and all that. I dunno, I judt wasn't comfortable with it.

I liked Adam as well(one of the things I recall we agreed on lol). One wasnt there fault it was the WB gave them a mid-season replacement with 12 episodes :lol:. I always put it bottom of my list because it was indeed short, but I loved the other seasons more lol.

Well, the way I look at is Dark Willow was always in Willow and it finally was released(Angel commented on vampires persona in "The Wish" and Giles's comment in "Becoming Pt.1"). So to me it wasnt rushed, but a slow process that was already there. Um, kinda like Wesley's series arc on Angel. But I can see what you are saying Aqua.

There is not one season I disliked on Buffy. Just I love a season more than another one. Its more I dislike this one mini-arc right there, but a season as whole you know?

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

Yeah, I'm bloody in contract with Wolfram and Hart lol. I have Lawyer issues - actually was pre-Law a while back, but it just doesn't do anything for me.

So he needs what?

[MBCorp]

Originally posted by Summers
Where's S1 Alice?

Oh man, I can't believe I left out S1! Here, let me rank them again:

1.S2
2.S3
3.S5
4.S7
5.S4
6.S1
7.S6

I actually have trouble rankng season 1, because although I really enjoy watching it I do think that the other seasons are superior since the plots and arcs were much more complex.

Season 4 Buffy is sort of weird for me because although I don't care much for Adam, Riley or the initiative, I still really enjoy watching the episodes and interactions between the characters. Season 6 is really the only season that I have any major problems with and I find myself not enjoying certain episodes as much.

[Summers]

Originally posted by LexLuthorMetropolis
Yeah, I'm bloody in contract with Wolfram and Hart lol. I have Lawyer issues - actually was pre-Law a while back, but it just doesn't do anything for me.

So he needs what?

Your like Lindsey :lol:.

I think his memory back lol.


Originally posted by MBCorp
Oh man, I can't believe I left out S1! Here, let me rank them again:

Season 4 Buffy is sort of weird for me because although I don't care much for Adam, Riley or the initiative, I still really enjoy watching the episodes and interactions between the characters. Season 6 is really the only season that I have any major problems with and I find myself not enjoying certain episodes as much.

Oh, I didnt know you left it out purpose or something. Sometimes I do see S1 not in the ranking of some people because it was too short to compare(which is understandble).

For me I grew as an adult watching BtVS. When the first season aired I related to Buffy Summers right away because she had to grow up very fast which I had to do. So many of the seasons I can relate to on various levels because each season I was growing with the characters(like when they were in college I was in college, and I had similar college experiences the Scoobies had in S4), and on a level the show was my santuary. Now, granted I didnt have the addictions Willow or Buffy had in S6 but I related to the hardship of life itelf. The mundane life of paying bills, going to work everyday, and etc. So that's really my personal perferences talking about seasons as a whole. I try to be the most objective I can when debating about because I have that connection to the series. I dont know if I am making sense, or why I am even saying this :lol: :confused:.

[LexLuthorMetropolis]

All I need now is the "evil hand" that I can pull an Ash on. (ARMY OF DARKNESS.)

[aqua]

Originally posted by Summers
I liked Adam as well(one of the things I recall we agreed on lol). One wasnt there fault it was the WB gave them a mid-season replacement with 12 episodes :lol:. I always put it bottom of my list because it was indeed short, but I loved the other seasons more lol.

Well, the way I look at is Dark Willow was always in Willow and it finally was released(Angel commented on vampires persona in "The Wish" and Giles's comment in "Becoming Pt.1"). So to me it wasnt rushed, but a slow process that was already there. Um, kinda like Wesley's series arc on Angel. But I can see what you are saying Aqua.

There is not one season I disliked on Buffy. Just I love a season more than another one. Its more I dislike this one mini-arc right there, but a season as whole you know?

Yep. I thought 6 was gonna be my favorite. Those first 8 episodes.. Wow, love them to death. But after "Wrecked.." well, it wrecked it for me. :lol:

[Summers]

Originally posted by aqua
Yep. I thought 6 was gonna be my favorite. Those first 8 episodes.. Wow, love them to death. But after "Wrecked.." well, it wrecked it for me. :lol:

I can understand that completely, and I didnt enjoy "Wrecked" that much either. Once the next episode aired "Gone" it was fine to me lol. The only thing I didnt like in S6 was Dawn's arc granted I did like her in the beginning and end of S6 just not in the middle of the season.

When I first watch a season I never think "hey this is my favorite" until after the finished product. That's true for many shows I watched. I just get excited over a premise of an episode or a spoiler(just not on SV of late I'm completely numb).