Buffy the Vampire Slayer

[Spiked]

Originally posted by lord_vador
new topic:whats everyone fav song from once more with feeling? my vote goes to 'rest in peace'

Ooo, tough one! I really don't think I could pick a favorite. I like each one for different reasons. When I listen to the CD I listen to all the songs. I'll think about it and see what I come up with.

[Dru]

Oooh hard. I don't know if I can pick one. I love all of them so much! I always listen to all of them with i play my CD. *thinks* I think I'll have to go with Rest In Peace. My love of Spike adds extra points so I gotta go witht hat one.

[Summers]

now that's hard question. There all great songs, but i actually went to listen to it. and come up w/ a three way tie(go figure being me). The tie is Walk Through The Fire, Rest In Peace, and Under Your Spell.

on the movie i love the humor of it, but i missed the seriousness that was portrayed in the tv version. But there are just little hints of the first season in it. For an example at the end she is wearing a white dress and leather jacket. Just in the same matter in Prophecy Girl, but w/ a better lookin' dress and jacket. Pike is like Oz and Spike put together. I didnt hate it, but i wonder if Joss was able to direct it and take creative control over movie what would have been like. Then again i dont because we wouldnt have seven years of great episodes.

[willowtree]

yeah it's hard to pick just ONE lol. So my 2 favs are Rest In Peace 'cuz I love rock and Under Your Spell 'cuz Amber sings it and Willow/Tara is my fav couple :-)

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Dru
I LOVE The Movie! It rocks! I've seen it a billion times and can never get enough! It was my huge love of the movie that made me so excited when the show was first being advertised. I couldn't wait to see it.

I am sorry, but the movie sucked ass. I saw it in the theater way back when it came out, and since I was a lot younger then, the movie did not seem all that bad to me. However, I watched it again a few months back for the first time in years, and I must say that it is not a movie that has aged well. I am a huge fan of both Rutger Hauer and Donald Sutherland, and Kristi Swanson is so hot in the movie. But the effects and acting were just so bad, that it was not even funny. Plus, Luke Perry is not convincing in a hero role at all. Not to mention the fact that you have Paul "Pee-Wee Herman" Reubens in the role of one of the main vampires.

[Doright]

The movie was amusing at first but after seeing what was orgionally intended via the TV show I can't watch it anymore. Talk about raping a script.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Doright
The movie was amusing at first but after seeing what was orgionally intended via the TV show I can't watch it anymore. Talk about raping a script.

Yeah I know. If they had never made a television show out of it, then the film would have probably seemed better than it actually was, because there was no basis of comparison. However, after seeing the potential that was realized from the show, the movie looks more like an insult than anything else.

[Dru]

Aww come on! How can you NOT love the movie?! It's hysterical! "Excuse much! Rude or anything?!" Buffy accusing The Watcher of being a mental patient of something. The Slayer Mole. The parents who don't notice that Buffy's coming home all covered in dirt after midnight. Hell just at the end the vampire taking FOREVER to die! "Oooh! Ow! Ugh! Aw! Ohh! Ooooh! Argh!" LOL! It was a great movie!

Sure it's no where near as great as the show but if you just look at it as a funny movie and not expect it to be as dramatic/funny/scary/sad/angsty as the TV show it's great!

*think* I'm pretty sure I own a copy. I'll have to go dig it up later just to watch it again!

[Spiked]

I'll run out and rent it. Wouldn't hurt in seeing it. :)

[Summers]

it's interesting though when you make the comparison between the movie and Becoming Pt.1 where you see Buffy called. Joss actually changed his own movie(kinda glad he did) to:
-Buffy's a freshman not a senior
-Buffy missing the vamp's heart
-clothes are almost the same in Becoming Pt.1
-the parents have changed, and you notice the signs of divorce
-Buffy is saddened more in the tv show because of life had basically been taken away compared to the movie

some things are definitely different. They did a great job on putting inserts from the movie to the tv show. For an example, in Normal Again we find out Buffy was in an asylum which is an insert from where the movie left off and the show began. But i still love Gellar's version of Buffy more.

another thing is interesting Whedon's Firefly was cancelled, but got a movie deal to direct and write a movie of Firefly. It's basically an opposite of how buffy came around. Meaning lame movie to one of the greatest tv shows made.

btw, Spiked i love your avi :)

[Spiked]

I'll look for the differences when I watch the movie.

Thanks Summers! It's the same avatar I use on the Buffy/Angel boards. :)

[Fenice]

Love your icon, Spiked :cool:
Great shot from that scene

[greenshady]

Favorite character - Willow

Favorite romance - Spike / Buffy

Favorite Villan - Spike or Willow ( the others really didn't appeal to me)

Favorite Episode - There are lots, but I'm still loving Season 6's "Once More With Feeling" & "Tabula Rasa."

Favorite Season - 5th or 6th. The whole 5th season seemed so intense. The 6th season was great because we got to see a whole new side of Willow.

I've only seen through the 6th season. Sadly Season 7 was airing during my days that I partied too much in college (Freshman Year).

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Fenice
Love your icon, Spiked :cool:
Great shot from that scene

Thanks Fenice! ;)

Edit: Does anyone know where I can find some really good screen captures of The Gift? I've looked at buffyworld.com but it's a small selection. Any help would be great!

[willowtree]

Favorite character: Tie between Willow and Faith. Although Cordy was so funny and I loved Tara...and...ok shutting up now lol.

Favorite romance: Willow/Tara

Favorite Villan: Dark Willow (and yeah I love the way she killed Warren lol :D )

Favorite Episode: Definitely Tabula Rasa. But my fave scene is in The Killer In Me, Willow and Kennedy at the Bronze...so cute :)

Favorite season: Really hard to choose. All I know is I didn't like 1-2 really much (compared to the others), and I really hate Riley so whenever he was there, arrrg lol.

Buffy vs Angel: Buffy by far.




Spiked: you can always try http://www.ifrance.com/hallowilddracula/bs5e22/ but it's also a small selection.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by willowtree
Spiked: you can always try http://www.ifrance.com/hallowilddracula/bs5e22/ but it's also a small selection.

This is perfect willowtree! Thank you very much! :)

[Summers]

here are some other sites that are good for screencaps:
www.freezframenetwork.org
www.angelscreenshots.com
www.buffyscreenshots.com (its a German site so season is called staffel)

these also have very good quality as well.

[Spiked]

Thank you Summers! Wow these are great sites! :)

[Summers]

wow, i love your The Gift banner. nice choices on the screecaps from the episode :)

k, i have an idea since some us like Spiked, me, Dannyblue, and VersesBatman is just bombarding Buffy/Angel quotes in the Favorite TV Quote Thread...why dont we just post our favorite buffy/angel quotes here. it could be anything from monologues to one-liners.

[Summers]

Buffy: Dawn's in trouble. It must be Tuesday

Oz: Iceskating is neat. It's like water, but it's not

[Spiked]

Thank you Summers! fittizle did an awesome job!

Great idea (already some great quotes).

Giles: Because you are the Slayer. Into each generation a Slayer is born, one girl in all the world, a Chosen One, one born with the strength and skill to hunt the vampires...
Buffy:...with the strength and skill to hunt the vampires, to stop the spread of their evil blah, blah, blah... I've heard it, okay?
Giles: I really don't understand this attitude. You, you've accepted your duty, you, you've slain vampires before...
Buffy: Yeah, and I've both been there and done that, and I'm moving on.

~*~*~*

Buffy: Dawn listen to me. Listen. I love you. I'll always love you. But this is the work I have to do. Tell Giles I... I figured it out. And I'm okay. Give my love to my friends. You have to take care of them now -- you have to take care of each other. You have to be strong. Dawn. The hardest thing in this world is to live in it. Be brave. Live. For me.

~*~*~*

Faith: Looks like the hellmouth is officially closed for business.
Giles: There is another one in Cleveland. Not to spoil the moment.
Xander: We saved the world.
Willow: We changed the world. I can feel them, Buffy. All over. Slayers are awakening everywhere.
Dawn: We'll have to find them.
Willow: We will.
Giles: Yes, because the mall was actually in Sunnydale, so there's no hope of going there tomorrow.
Dawn: We destroyed the mall? I fought on the wrong side.
Xander: All those shops gone. The Gap, Starbucks, Toys "R" Us. Who will remember all those landmarks unless we tell the world about them?
Giles: We have a lot of work ahead of us.
Faith: Can I push him in?
Willow: You've got my vote.
Faith: I just want to sleep, yo, for like a week.
Dawn: I guess we all could, if we wanted to.
Willow: Yeah. The First is scrunched, so... what do you think we should do, Buffy?
Faith: Yeah, you're not the one and only chosen anymore. Just gotta live like a person. How's that feel?
Dawn: Yeah, Buffy. What are we gonna do now?

Those would have to be my favorite ones. :)

[Fenice]

The Judge: This one... cannot be burnt. He is clean.
Spike: Clean? You mean, he's...
Judge: There's no humanity in him.
Angelus: I couldn't have said it better myself.

Angelus: Now that's everything, huh? No weapons... No friends...No hope. Take all that away... and what's left?
Buffy: Me.

Xander: Something weird is going on.' Isn't that our school motto?

Xander: Yeah, for a minute there, I thought you were gonna make an expression."
Oz: Well, I felt one coming on, I won't lie.

Oz: Look, Buffy, you should know that, that —
Buffy: Oz, now might be a good time for your trademark
stoicism.

Glory: (About Spike) - If he wakes up, tell your boyfriend to watch his mouth.
Buffy in the middle of a fight with the crazy hell god and the most important thing she can say is:
" He is not my boyfriend. "

Buffy: Kathy's evil. I'm an evil fighter. It's simple. I'm gonna
have to kill her.

Spike: I say we go out there and kick a little demon ass! What, can't go without your Buffy? Is that it? Too chicken? Let's find her! She is the Chosen One, after all. Come one, vampires, rrrr, nasty! Let's annihilate them. For justice, and for... the safety of puppies, and Christmas, right? Let's fight that evil! Let's kill something! Oh, come on!

D'Hoffryn: The flaying of Warren Meers? Oh, truly inspired. That was water cooler vengeance. Lloyd has a sketch of it on his wall.

D'Hoffryn: Isn't that just like a Slayer? Solving all her problems by sticking things with sharp objects.

[Summers]

you listen to me. i've been alive a bit longer than you, an dead a lot longer than that. i've seen things that you couldnt imagine, and done things i'd perfer you didnt. i dont exactly have the reputation for being a think: i follow my blood, which doesnt exactly rush in the direction of my head. So i make a lot of mistakes. a lot of wrong bloody calls. a hundred plus years and there's is only one thing i've every sure of:you. i've seen the best and worse of you. i've seen you try. your the one Buffy-Spike "Touched"

Xander: the first day of kindergarten you cried because you broke the yellow crayon an dyou were too afraid to tell anyone. you've come pretty far, ending the world. not a terrific notion, but the thing is, yeah, i love. i loved crayon-breaking Willow and i love scary veiny Willow. so if i'm going out, it's here. if you wanna kill the world, well then start with me. i've earned that.
Willow:you dont think i wont
Xander:it doesnt matter. i'll still love you-Xander "Grave"

they'll neve know how tough it is, Dawnie. to be the one who isnt chosen; to live so near the spotlight and never step in it. but i know. i see more than anybody realizes, because nobody's watching me. i saw you last night, i see you working here today...you're not special. you're extraordinary-Xander "Potential"

there are just so many quotes, and not enough time.

[Spiked]

Xander: We were just talking then.
Willow: Xander, I can do this, I promise. But not without you.
Anya: Should we maybe tell Giles? You know, now that we're really ready? It's not like he's going anywhere. Ever.
Willow: No. No one else can know. Not Giles, not Spike, not Dawn. They might not understand.
Tara: What if something does go wrong?
Willow: I'm telling you it won't.
Xander: Scenario -- We raise Buffy from the grave, she tries to eat our brains. Do we, a) congratulate ourselves on a job well done-
Willow: Xander, this isn't zombies.
Anya: Zombies don't eat brains anyway unless instructed to by their zombie masters. A lot of people get that wrong.
Willow: This isn't like Dawn trying to bring Mrs. Summers back, or anything we've dealt with before. Buffy didn't die a natural death. She was killed by mystical energy.
Tara: Which means we do have a shot.
Willow: It means more than that. It means we don't know ... where she really is.
Xander: We saw her body, Will. We buried it.
Willow: Her body, yeah. But her soul ... her essence ... I mean, that could be somewhere else. She could be trapped, in-in some sort of hell dimension like Angel was. Suffering eternal torment, just because she saved us, and I'm not gonna let ... I'm not gonna leave her there. It's Buffy.

~*~*~*
Buffy (sing): There was no pain no fear, no doubt till they pulled me out of Heaven. So that's my refrain. I live in Hell 'cause I've been expelled from Heaven. I think I was in Heaven. So give me something to sing about.

~*~*~*
Spike (spoken): You should go back inside. Finish the big group sing. Get your kum-ba-yayas out.
BUFFY: I don't want to.
Spike: The day you suss out what you do want, there'll probably be a parade. Seventy-six bloody trombones.
Buffy: Spike...
Spike: Look, you don't have to say anything.
Buffy (sings): I touch the fire and it freezes me.
Spike (sings): I died...
Buffy: I look into it and it's black.
Spike: This isn't real.
Buffy: But I just want to feel.
Spike: But you can make me feel.

More soon! :)

[Summers]

i love those quotes. today i just rewatched Killed By Death, and still after all this time it gives me chills. i'm w/ buffy i really dont like hospitals(terrible, bad experience w/ i was younger), and seeing those kids being hurt by Der Kinderstad. Man, talk about prequel to The Gentlemen. also we never seen buffy sick before which is new experience all in itself. had some great quotes:

Xander:here's some flower for me lady
Buffy:i think those are called balloons
Xander:aww...stick them in water and maybe they'll grow.

buffy:hospital zone. no singing(definitely the fever is frying her brain)
little buffy:Power Girl will save you!!!

Willow:sure me and xander played doctor when we were little a the time
(noticing Cordy's gaze)Xander:she means literally. i didnt have the heart to say she was playing it wrong
Willow:What? how did you play doctor?(to buffy)
Buffy:i never have

Cordy:tact is not saying true stuff

[Summers]

here's some news. they were supposed to release an Angel Soundtrack. the good news they are :), the bad news not in the US :(. go here for story www.slayerverse.de
that's unfair because i really wanted it

[Spiked]

What the crap?! How fair is that?! There are ton of Angel fans here in the US! Oh no, no, no. I'm going to import my mine. :p

[Kal-L, The Original]

Summers: You can always get it from Amazon.UK.

[VersesBatman]

I agree Summers. Der Kinderstad was almost as scary as The Gentlemen. :eek:

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Kal-L, The Original
Summers: You can always get it from Amazon.UK.

That's what I plan on doing. Stupid Fox can't distribute a CD in the US....

[Summers]

i know i could get it online, but it really isnt point. i mean there are probably many Angel fans who cant order from the Internet, and that is really unfair to them. And another thing is that Angel is US product, so i dont get why US citizens cant have the soundtrack either.

thirdly, we dont even know if this is actually going to happen. it maybe a tentative thing. Angel is US show, and US citizens should be able to buy it too. when i read it the second time...it sounds pretty fishy, or they didnt released all of the information, such as why US cant receive the soundtrack.

anyhow any other new news about the CD or anything else i'll keep you guys posted.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
thirdly, we dont even know if this is actually going to happen. it maybe a tentative thing.

Which is really strange. Because you would think before the composer began all the hard work of putting a CD together Fox would at least tell him if it's a done deal.

[Summers]

true, and it doesnt even have a release date or even a rough release date.

[Spiked]

Is this CD even for real? :lol: No, I'm joking, but still...

[nexgod]

I heard rumours of this off the BBC site

[Spiked]

Related to Buffy!

Superherohype! (http://www.superherohype.com/x-men/index.php?id=1868):


ComingSoon.net has broken the news that "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel" creator Joss Whedon is interested in taking on X-Men 3...

ComingSoon.net got a chance to talk to Joss Whedon about the rumors that he may be interested in taking on X-Men 3, now that Bryan Singer is out of the picture. Whedon says that nothing has been offered to him for "X3," but if offered, he would LOVE to do the third film (hint, hint Fox!).

It would be awesome if Joss directed X3!

[Summers]

it would be so cool. i mean Joss said once he put Kitty Pride(Shadowcat) as one of the many character traits into Buffy Summers. Plus he puts a lot of Stan Lee atmosphere of character relationships into the btvs, but w/ his own Whedon spin to them.
and he really did a good job on the comic arc in the Astonishing XMen series.

when i found out Singer wont do X3, Whedon was the first guy i thought of.

[vyperman7]

I never watched an episode of Buffy while it was on television. However, I have been watching the show season by season on DVD, and over the course of the show, it became one of my all time favorite shows. I just could not wait until the seventh season came out on DVD, so I found an alternative way to see season seven.

I would have to say that it deserves a solid 8.5/10.

Things I did not like :

- The overall storyline of having to train potential slayers. After the Iniative, I think it is the worst theme for a season. Most of the girls were annoying as hell. Especially the black chick Rona and Kennedy. (Kennedy : What an annoying, mouthy B**CH.)

- The segments with Buffy as a councelor. Buffy is a slayer, and anytime they have tried to give her a regular job, it just ends up taking up time. The only time I really liked seeing her as a councelor was in the episode "Him" because she threw herself at RJ.

- The "neutering" of Spike. Granted, he got his soul at the end of season six. But, I wanted him to be like Angel, in the aspect that he can still be a bad ass fighter. I wanted him to retain his attitude that he has had throughout the show. Spike is my favorite character, and I missed how he used to be throughout the show. Like I said before. I know that he became a hero, and I know he got his soul. But, he still have could have been the leather wearing bad ass vampire we all know and love towards evil.

Highlights :

- Caleb : This guy has to be one of the best villans in the history of the show. I loved how he came off like being a preacher, but he was extremely evil. Loved the scene where he breaks the old lady's neck and says that he could not hear Buffy over the cracking of her neck. Great stuff there.

- Faith returning : Faith has always been one of my more favorite characters on the show, and I thought it was cool that they brought her back to help Buffy and the rest of the gang.

- The storyline involving Robin Wood and Spike. This was one of the things that kept me interested in season seven. Robin has been searching his whole life to find the vampire that killed his mother ( who was a slayer no less), and then finds him in Spike. But Spike is now a vampire with a soul fighting for good. Watching Robin struggle not to go after Spike was great. I love the anticipation they built up towards the battle between Robin and Spike. The fight scene between them was extremely bad ass, and I love how Robin was able to bring out the monster in Spike.

Best episodes :

- Dirty Girls : The introduction of Caleb, tha taking of Xander's left eye, and the return of Faith. I love episodes that make the heroes look weak and the villan unbeatable. It only makes the final fight that much better.

- Lies My Parents Told Me : This episode rules just for the fight between Robin Wood and Spike. I love flashback episodes as well, and it was very interesting to see the relationship between Spike and his mother.

- Selfless : Awesome episode. It involved flashbacks to let us know more about Anya's past.

- Conversations with Dead People : Another amazing episode. I loved the scenes with Buffy and Holden. Watching them stop the fight for Holden to analyze Buffy was great. Although I think they went overboard on the scenes with Dawn and The First, it was still cool because it had a "horror movie" type feel to it.

- Storyteller : I enjoyed this episode. A lot of people do not like Andrew and only concentrate on whether he is gay or not. Granted, I ask myself the same thing. However, I have always liked Andrew's character and found him to be funny. I loved how this episode was set up like Andrew telling the story of how it unfolded.

- End of Days : Buffy and Caleb fight and Angel returned. That is enough reason to love this episode.

- Chosen : Not nearly as good a finale as some in the past. But, it was also a very fitting way to end the show. The fight at the school was extremely cool.

- Help : I liked this episode because it involved Buffy and the gang trying to figure out how and where Cassie was going to die. I love episodes that involve visions or psychic premonitions.

- Him : I loved this episode because it reminded me of Bothered, Bewitched, and Bewildered. Watching Buffy and Dawn fight over the same guy was very entertaining.

How I would rank the whole show :

1) Season Three - 10/10

2) Season Five - 9.5/10

3) Season Six - 9/10

4) Season Two - 8.75/10

5) Season Seven - 8.5/10

6) Season One - 8.25/10

7) Season Four - 8/10

[Spiked]

I'm glad you were finally able to view season seven vyperman7! You give some really great points. I took the "neutering" of Spike a little differently. Granted, he is one of my favorite characters and one of the reasons I enjoyed him so much was because of his badness. However, I really enjoyed his turn when he received his soul. He was completely different. A changed man for Buffy. He wanted to be what she wanted and needed. And in doing so he didn't come off as so villainy, but as a kind, sincere man. I suppose, for me personally, it comes to character development and how characters change due to new aspects in their lives. In Spike’s case his soul.

I also enjoy watching episodes with Andrew. He’s a great comedic character, fun to watch, and has some really hysterical dialogue.

Faith returning was definitely one of the high points of the season. Faith is just awesome. And having her and Buffy in the same room is great to watch.

Caleb was evil! A great baddie for the season. Coming off as a preacher was a clever device and a great way to fool the potentials.


Originally posted by vyperman7
Most of the girls were annoying as hell. Especially the black chick Rona and Kennedy. (Kennedy : What an annoying, mouthy B**CH.)

Couldn’t have said it better myself! The episode Empty Places I wanted to slap everyone single person in that room! I was crying for Buffy when they kicked her out (of her own house!). It’s one episode that’s emotionally moving.

Touched was an episode that could have done without all of the sex scenes. However it was kind of fitting because you have almost all of the characters having sex believing it’s their one night to let go and here you have Buffy and Spike who are just holding each other, Spike telling Buffy how much she matters. How much she matters to him. It’s quite moving.

Season seven definitely had some strong points.

[vyperman7]

I am a big Spike/Buffy shipper, and one of the things that made me the happiest, was when Buffy told Angel to leave because Spike was in her heart now. That was awesome.

[Spiked]

That was a great scene. I loved the cookie analogy! It was so cute coming from Buffy. vyperman7 do you watch Angel as well?

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Spiked
That was a great scene. I loved the cookie analogy! It was so cute coming from Buffy. vyperman7 do you watch Angel as well?

I have only been watching Angel on DVD as well.

I have seen the first three seasons. I cannot wait until my season four set arrives. I already pre-ordered it on Amazon. I really want to see the first episode of season four, to see how Angel gets out of the box Connor trapped him in, and where exactly it was that Cordelia went. Wesley is also on the outs with the group, and I want to see how he gets back in their good graces. The thing that sucks, is that he was only doing what he thought was right under the circumstances.

I am a bigger fan of Buffy the Vampire Slayer than I am of Angel, but I still think that Angel is a very good show. I am going to have to go back and watch the first three seasons of Angel again, because there are a few things that I have forgotten.

My favorite season of Angel is still the first season. I really liked Doyle, and it sucks that he was killed after only eight episodes. The first season also had a few crossover Buffy episodes as well. The second season was pretty good, and I really liked the third season. I think my favorite episode of Angel after "I Will Remember You" and "Hero", would have to be the episode "Sleep Tight" that ends with Holtz stealing Connor into the Hell Dimension. This is the episode where Wesley also goes on the outs with the group.

[Summers]

yea, vyperman7 seen all of them :)

i actually viewed only two things from seven differently than you vyperman. One was Spike. I didnt want Spike to be like Angel because they are two completely different people(will vamps). He was almost the opposite from Angel in many aspects, and i think because he doesnt feel guilty. He doesnt need to feel guilty as compared to Angel. He grew more w/out a soul, then Angel w/ a soul. At the end of Seeing Red Spike a vamp w/out a soul was feeling guilty for what he did. And Spike was mentally ready for a soul whereas Angelus never would have think of such a thought. I loved seeing Spike's journey more than Angel's because of his difference to Angel.

Second thing i viewed differently is Buffy being a counselor. That job fits Buffy so well because basically Buffy was at times a counselor. My favorite episodes of her counselorness was actually Help. That job fitted her perfectly much like Will and Xand said.

i totally agreed on the potentials, but for me its love/hate relationship. i realized now that the potentials were actually suppose to represent the female audience(it just took Chosen to really see it that). but i loved the idea of it. I dont want to speak for the men, but for girls/women we dont have a lot women characters to look up too, or even to relate to. and the potentials especially in Chosen is very dear to me. seeing the all the girls from various ages and nationalities. just the idea of potential slayers is just so empowering. but that's just me.

there are only two more things i didnt like and that was Giles and Willow. To me they seemed out of character especially Giles. W/in five minutes Giles was willing to kill Spike, but i think his own bias was clouding his judgement. in this season i stopped seeing Giles as the father figure because he became the Watcher Council. In fact at times he sounded like Quentin. On Willow i thought it was too soon for her have Kennedy as her girlfriend. It didnt make sense. the previous year Willow was on a grieveness ramage and a year later she is sleeping w/ Kennedy. It didnt make sense.

episodes i love
Lessons-great at the end when all the Big Bads come. at the time people thought Buffy was going to be the big bad
Beneath You-the scene w/ Spike telling Buffy about his soul and he is resting on the cross while he burns
Same Time Same Place-freaked me out...and the guy who plays Gnarl played one of the Gentlemen and the Ubervamp
Help-Cassie was a great character, and emphasized at the end that Buffy cant always save people which is relevant for this season.
Selfless-Anya centric episode
Conversation W/ Dead People-nuff said
Bring On The Night-one of best Buffy speeches, and Joyce's return
Showtime-Scooby action w/ the mind and her fight w/ the Ubervamp "i'm the thing demons are afraid of, and we going to show them why. Welcome to Thunderdome"
Potential-sweet xander's speech to Dawn, and at the time everybody thought Dawn was going to be a slayer because her blood.
Storyteller-comedy of Andrew, i loved how he said Vampire differently. there references to past btvs episodes everywhere. i loved the morning scene w/ spike, buffy, and anya in slow motion.
Lies My Parents Told Me to Chosen-just a great lead up to the finale that didnt stop, and just had you hanging by the bit.

but the one episode i can never can watch is Empty Places. i always gets me mad because it didnt make sense. i mean i understand they were scared, but for them to kick buffy out was out of line especially from a military standpoint. Willow was afraid to use her magic, and all they had was Faith and Wood after Buffy left. And if you alienate Buffy your going to alienate Spike too. not to mention it was her house, and that she's the one that's been working to feed and shelter everybody. i mean in the standoff she said she is willing to hear suggestions. It felt very selfish, whiny of the Scoobies and Potentials, who wouldnt even be alive if it werent for buffy. i loved what Spike said to them in Touched because it was all true especially Giles's part because he wasnt accostumed to Buffy not needing his support. However, i find it interesting that many people(including me) wanted Buffy to tell them she was right along, or to hold a grudge(no pun intended). But she didnt. She didnt speak anything of the night she was kicked out, in fact, she was seeing the big picture while everybody else at the time was concentrating on the small matters. and to me that speaks volumes of her character.

and i loved the Scythe weapon :)
curious vyperman how did you see the last season its not out on dvd until October?

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Summers
curious vyperman how did you see the last season its not out on dvd until October?

We are not allowed to talk about d******ding on this site, so I cannot say how I got the episodes.

[Summers]

oh, okay. i thought you saw the reruns or read the episode summaries :lol:.

another episode i shouldve added was Never Leave Me because it had the Watcher Council blown up, and the scene where Buffy said she believed in Spike.

I still think Giles was a hypocrite because in First Date he snapped at the Scoobies for going on dates, even though everything was fairly quite. But then in Empty Places he allows Faith to take the girls to the Bronze when: Caleb is out there, Bringers, and trigger-happy policeman. At that time it was far more dangerous, and i couldnt believe he allowed it. That was very hypocritical of Giles. okay my rant is done :).

[Piiike]

I wish Giles would have came to Angel in season 5. I bet Wesley would have kicked his ass after they way Giles and the scoobs treated him.

I think Giles would be in shock.

[Spiked]

vyperman7: I was just curious because I didn't know if you've seen season five of Angel yet. I don't want to post anything that might spoil it for you (if you haven't seen it stop reading my post to Summers when you get to the episode's name!).

Summers: Great points. I also have a love/hate relationship with the potentials. I think it had to do with all the whining they did. It got so annoying. But when Willow gave them Slayer strength they became tolerable. I started to really like the potentials in the Angel episode Damage that has Dana as a slayer. It was really neat seeing Andrew and all the potentials there.

And I totally agree with what you said about Willow and Kennedy. It was totally unlike Willow to be with Kennedy. I mean Kennedy was a spoiled, selfish, little twit! I despise their relationship, really. But, what can you do?

[Summers]

all the potentials i liked were nearly killed off. i mean Molly, Amanda, Vi, and Cho-Ahn were the only ones i enjoyed. Cho-Ahn was so funny. that shouldve killed Rona or Kennedy, but what done is done. Still though the last season was not boring, and it was kept us on our toes. Overall season seven is one of top three seasons, but i love all the seasons. just some more than others.

i think Wes could hold his own probably w/ a rifle or gun, but Giles is good w/ other weapons Wes isnt to familiar w/. It still would be a good fight though.

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Dana rocked because she was so insane, but very powerful. i loved that scene when all the slayers come out of the shadows behind Andrew. oh, i loved it that scene :). and Andrew tells Angel "your not on our side anymore". i'm glad they took Dana because W&H is a place of hell. when i saw those slayers i thought that's Buffy's idea and Will's magic did that. gee, i was grinning w/ Buffy pride.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by Spiked
vyperman7: I was just curious because I didn't know if you've seen season five of Angel yet. I don't want to post anything that might spoil it for you (if you haven't seen it stop reading my post to Summers when you get to the episode's name!).

I have only seen the first three seasons of Angel, because I have only been watching it on DVD as well. While I do like Buffy more, Angel is still a very good show. My favorite season is still season number one because of Doyle and because of the Buffy crossover episodes. Season two was pretty good, and season three was very good.

My top 5 :

1) I Will Remember You - Angel and Buffy get to be together and Angel gets to experience life as a human. Messed up ending though with only Angel getting to remember what happened

2) Hero - The tragic death of Doyle. It was a great episode overall, especially since this is where Cordelia gets the visions.

3) Sleep Tight - Wesley thinks Angel will drink Connor's blood and kidnaps him. However, Angel was never the problem. Wesley is stabbed and left for dead, and Holtz steals Connor and jumps into the hell dimension.

4) Five by Five - Faith returns and is recruited by Wolfrahm and Hart to kill Angel.

5) Darla - Awesome flashback episode.

[Summers]

oh, i cant wait for you to see the last two seasons of Angel especially the last season :).

on the Darla episode when they aired it they also aired Fool For Love on Buffy. it was the year Buffy and Angel was placed back to back.

here are some behind the scene photos from the last season and episode Chosen. these photos were released by FOX, UPN, Mutant Enemy, Enterinment Weeky, Official Buffy Magazine, and misc. magazines.

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast859.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast854.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast850.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast849.jpg

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http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast833.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast770.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast761.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast832.jpg

they are of the cast, creator Joss Whedon, and the crew. Good they work....enjoy :)

[Spiked]

WONDERFUL pictures! It's just so great to see the love that was on the set. Everyone seemed so close and genuinely enjoyed what they were doing. It is so rare to find those qualities on a TV drama.

[Fenice]

Originally posted by Summers
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Dana rocked because she was so insane, but very powerful. i loved that scene when all the slayers come out of the shadows behind Andrew. oh, i loved it that scene :). when i saw those slayers i thought that's Buffy's idea and Will's magic did that. gee, i was grinning w/ Buffy pride.

********Angel Season 5 Spoiler Warning ****************



I loved that scene. I get a little teary eyed seeing part of the Slayer Army. Its just so cool to see that here you have the Wolfram&Hart team, trained and armed to the teeth and then you have your little pony-tail wearing teenaged girls and you know they are gonna win.

And yes, I loved Dana. Such a scary thought of there being a pyscotic Vampire Slayer out there. I loved how Spike kept repeating it and couldnt get his mind around it.

I didnt like when Andrew told Angel that the orders came from Buffy. I dont like to see Angel get treated like that by people he cares about and has fought for and with.

BTW, I love your icon, Summers. :)

EDIT: Happy Birthday, Summers ! :cool:

[Spiked]

Happy Birthday Summers!

[Summers]

Originally posted by Fenice
********Angel Season 5 Spoiler Warning ****************





I didnt like when Andrew told Angel that the orders came from Buffy. I dont like to see Angel get treated like that by people he cares about and has fought for and with.

BTW, I love your icon, Summers. :)

EDIT: Happy Birthday, Summers ! :cool:


thanks Fenice and Spiked. leave it to me have a birthday on Friday the 13th, but honestly its fun.


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actually i liked that Andrew told him that he wasnt on the same side anymore because its true. Imagine if Angel did take Dana to W&H. there are so many people there that are not trustworthy. they would exploit Dana for their own use. Look at what an employee tried to do to Nina....werewolf plater, and Fred wouldve have died if Angel accepted their offer. i believe the Scoobies/Slayers were right. Really Andrew just told him the same thing Spike have already told him about W&H, and the next episode Your Welcome Cordy says the exact same thing. in the end Buffy and her slayer army, Andrew, Spike, Cordy, and the special ops guy from Conviction said the same thing.

i'm not saying it wasnt painful to see but they were right. i realized that long ago when he accepted their offer in Home in season four. But the thing is Angel made his choice, and there are consequences to them.

[Fenice]

************Angel Season 5 Spoiler Warning **************




I dont have a problem with them wanting to take Dana, they were totally right. She is a Slayer, she belongs with them. My problem was the "no one trust you" part. I just think that they should give Angel the benefit of the doubt. Angel does work at W&H but he isnt evil. Instead of categorize him as evil they should tell him that he should leave W&H because he doesnt belong there.

[Summers]

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[Doright]

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But in the end that helped because having the slayers turn against him like that helped to sell his con to the Black thorn circle guys.

[snaps]

:rotfl: ;)
hi there just wanted to say hi and Angel all the way

[Spiked]

More info on the Angel CD from COA:


Darling Violetta producer and co-writer of the Angel theme, Holly Knight, told CoA, "Spread the word! I just spent the last week producing the extended Angel Theme with Darling Violetta and it is now completed. Fans should make every effort to contact the people at Fox," she encouraged us, "and express their desire for the Soundtrack Album to be released in the U.S. as well!"

The upcoming Score CD will only be available to U.S. fans on ITunes and the FOX Store but available in retail stores to the rest of the world. "I've talked with Robert Kral and we are at a loss," Holly continued, "as to why this isn't being released here in the U.S. with so many fans where the show was filmed." With all the support Angel fans gave the show upon hearing of its cancellation, Holly is hoping to reunite that effort for the Score CD.

Vocalist, Cami Elen, also gave us more info as to what fans can expect in the new version. "We've extended the theme to about 3:30. Although it is still basically instrumental, I wrote lyrics and a melody that are featured in a couple sections," offered Cami. "The beginning/intro starts with me whispering words, like a prayer and then the melody line, 'you're my sanctuary' is hinted at (this will come in more later during a new section not on the original). We layered tons of guitars on it, added more bass and cello." Cami reassured us that in essence, it is the theme everyone is used to hearing only bigger and better! "I'm hoping Fox calls it something like, The Sanctuary Extended Remix," she laughted.

Looks like for the US folks we'll be able to order it from the online Fox store, just not in retail stores. That's better news then what we've been getting.

[Spiked]

Buffy movie news (kind of...).! From IGN (http://filmforce.ign.com/articles/538/538750p1.html):


Since Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel left the airwaves, fans have hoped that creator Joss Whedon would resurrect the properties in one form or another. When asked about the possibility of a Buffy movie Whedon recently told IGN FilmForce, "The fans are interested. I'm interested. I don't think either Sarah or David would want to do it, but there's about 10 other characters I can name who would be totally worthy of movies. I'm just waiting for somebody to say yay or nay."

Would Whedon, who is currently jockeying to take over the reigns of the X-Men franchise from newly hired Superman helmer Bryan Singer, be interested in directing the flick? "I would certainly be involved," he says. "I would never let one of those stories be told without overseeing it."

And what about the potentially cool possibility of a Buffy the Vampire Slayer animated series? Whedon says, "A presentation is being made. It hasn't been bought anywhere, but it's still in the creating stages, so it's still a possibility."

Buffy devotees will be pleased. So, tell us which character from the Buffy-verse (other than Buffy or Angel) you'd like to see on the big screen!

This is great news, but honestly. A Buffy movie without Buffy? Or Angel? Come on Joss. Really.

[Summers]

man, you beat me to it Spike :lol:. i think Joss is a little bit in limbo right now cause many of the actors are moving on. David Borenaz said he would be on board if the movie i on big screen, and Sarah Michelle Gellar said they will she would be on board depending on the script(meaning giving the Scoobies equal screen time). But i think Joss needs to wait and just let the actors do other projects. because the fans wont want the to buffy or angel movie w/ the leads or supporting actors.

btw, hi snaps welcome to the board :)

fyi, Charisma Charpentar is going to Charmed for two episodes.

[Spiked]

I agree Summers. I have no doubt that Joss could base a movie on one of the supporting characters but honestly the shows are called Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Having a movie without the two lead actors of the hit shows would seem out of place. Now, if we're talking about a TV movie, then I could see how it would work. Just not as a major motion picture.

I haven't watched much of Charmed before but I'll make sure to watch those episodes for Charisma Carpenter. :)

[Fenice]

Hey, snaps Welcome to the boards.

I agree, Joss should wait and then try to have the movie with everybody instead of doing sooner but without Sarah and David.

And yay, CC is going to be on Charmed. I'm definately looking forward to those to episodes. :D

Thanks guys for all the news.

* goes off to Charmed fan site to learn more *

[Summers]

i havent been a fan of Charmed, but i will try to watch those episodes, too.

question though on the Angel CD it says US will be able to get them in "iTunes and Fox stores". are those online sites or something else.

btw, i love your new avi Fenice w/ the cute little Clark :). and i just noticed i called Spiked "Spike" in my previous post.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
i havent been a fan of Charmed, but i will try to watch those episodes, too.

question though on the Angel CD it says US will be able to get them in "iTunes and Fox stores". are those online sites or something else.

btw, i love your new avi Fenice w/ the cute little Clark :). and i just noticed i called Spiked "Spike" in my previous post.

When it says Fox Stores, I assumed the Fox online store. I think the online store is one option on how to buy the CD. It wasn't very clear.

LOL, it's ok Summers. Spiked, Spike, it all relates to Spike. :)

[Summers]

Originally posted by Spiked
When it says Fox Stores, I assumed the Fox online store. I think the online store is one option on how to buy the CD. It wasn't very clear.

LOL, it's ok Summers. Spiked, Spike, it all relates to Spike. :)

yea, Spike it wasnt very clear kinda reminds me of the previous info they made on the CD.

reminder Buffy Last Season comes out in October :), a month after Angel's :).

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
reminder Buffy Last Season comes out in October :), a month after Angel's :).

Woo hoo! :D

[Summers]

does anybody read the buffy novels and graphic novels? they are really a good read.

[Fenice]

Originally posted by Summers
btw, i love your new avi Fenice w/ the cute little Clark :)

Thanks Summers. Little Clark is the most adorable little kid. :)

And sorry I havent gotten around to reading Buffy Books. The books that interest me the most are Slayer lore and stories about other Slayers.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
does anybody read the buffy novels and graphic novels? they are really a good read.

I do. I've read one part of the Unseen Trilogy. And a few of the older novels. I agree they are a good read.

[Doright]

Ive read a couple of the Novels.. They were ok.

[snaps]

Ive read most of the small books, got the hardbacks and watchers guides. ive also read most of Angel again got the hardbacks and casefiles

[Dru]

I've read a bunch of the books. Mainly the ones with Spike and/or Drusilla in them.

[Summers]

i havent got all the Angel yet. i'm still collecting the rest of the buffy books. some buffy books are okay, but others feel like reading an episode but basically in a different type of continuity. I loved the Lost Slayer which basically is set in season four but goes into the future of a dark Sunnydale. The Unseen and Gatekeeper Trilogies(sp?) were really good, as well was Immortal. not all tie-in books to tv shows or movies are really well done, but IMO buffy and star wars books are the closest to watching an episode.

there is also some really interesting academic books by the Buffyologists(professours all over the globe and US) that discuss btvs/ats in a philosophical and religion sense.

snaps, is the Angel Casefiles similar to the Official Watcher's Guides where is concentrates on specific seasons?

[snaps]

Hi summers the casefiles are exectally like the watchers guides casefile one in the shops casefile 2 out near to x-mas

[Summers]

okay, thanks

[snaps]

your welcome

[Summers]

k, here's some more behind the scenes pictures from the first three seasons. these photos were released by FOX, WB, Mutant Enemy, Entertainment Weeky, Official Buffy Magazine, and misc. magazines. and this isnt my site so i'm not promoting it. enjoy :)

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/angbuf6.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/bufken1.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/tedbuf.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/bufangsw.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/behind1.jpg

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http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/advice.jpg

i dont know if you guys seen these pictures, but if you didnt its new :). if you did see them there still great to look at, and you can figure which episode the behind the scene picture is from. i'll keep posting new pictures(either promo or behind the scene) at least once a week or more because actually its kinda fun.

i already posted some from the musical and the last season, so Snaps or anybody else wants to see those pictures you can in the previous pages of this particular thread.

[Doright]

cool pictures! thanks for sharing.

[snaps]

Great pics partically liked the swords one

[Summers]

the Becoming picture with the swords is one of my favorites :).

got news on the Angel Season 5 dvd its expected to come out in Feburary 2005. which i thought it would since the season three came out in Feburary. so dates to remember:
Angel Season 4=Sept. 7th
Buffy Season 7(last one)=October, no specific date yet
Angel Season 5=Feb. 2005

btw, awww Fenice has the Angel puppet avi...he's just too cute.

[snaps]

yeah it was a strange episode

[Summers]

it was strange, but i thought it was really funny at the same time. to me it was the most laughs i had in the series besides Spin The Bottle.

[Spiked]

Comingsoon.net (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/topnews.php?id=6039):


TV Guide chatted with actor David Boreanaz who says the rumors he's not up for an Angel movie are nonsense. He's willing to go another round, but not on TV.

"It would have to be a theatrical release," he says. "I'm not into the movie-of-the-week [idea]."

WB execs said they were interested in doing TV films. "I know they wanted to do, like, six films," Boreanaz added, "It's not that I'm against it; it just needs to be a bigger challenge. When you do something for five seasons, you want to continue to challenge yourself... go to another level with it rather than just doing the same thing you've been doing."

Next up for Boreanaz is the comedy Mr. Fix It and he's also signed up for another high-profile franchise film that he insists is not Superman. "It's better," he teases, adding, "'Four' would be the magic number — that's all I'm going to say."

I'm with David. I want a theatrical movie. :)

[snaps]

it would be great for a Angel movie but i wanna see him fight the dragoon.......and i think he plays the role of angelus much better so i would want that too.........as for superman its been reprted in the papers that ....tom welling has said its to early to comment ....you can take it anyway but if the film is about supermans early years he should.......by the way im in the uk..

[Summers]

so you basically got all the dvds, then? your are so lucky that the UK gets them first.

[snaps]

just waiting for 7 to come out my sister has them all i only have 1&2 so far she has more money still living at home

[Summers]

i havent checked region 2 recently when does the UK get seven? i know Sarah's movie Scooby Doo 2 is coming out in Aug. over there...i think?

it would be cool for a telefilm to see where the finale left off in about year or two. but IMO i would wait a little longer for the big screen venture to get some more fans, and let the actors get away from the buffyverse.

EDIT:actually the UK received season seven already. its region one that hasnt gotten it yet, but Scooby Doo 2 comes out in Aug. in other foreign countries.

[Spiked]

I agree, I wouldn't want to rush a movie. Just whenever the actors have built up a stable film career and everyone has time to do one. It'd be great to see.

[Fenice]

Originally posted by Summers
the Becoming picture with the swords is one of my favorites :).

btw, awww Fenice has the Angel puppet avi...he's just too cute.

Love that picture.

And he he. My new icon is in celebration of Puppet Angel's win over @ TWoP's Tubey Awards. Puppet Angel won
Best Performance by an Inanimate Object in the 2003-2004 Season. Well Deseved, IMO. :D :p


Edit: Lots of Buffy Season 7 DVD news.

Release date has been changed to Nov.16th. Same day as SMV Season 3, so it looks like Im going to have very little money that week.

Commentaries:Total of 7 commentaries with CAST & CREW.
1) Lessons (Joss, David Solomon)
2) Selfless ( Drew Goddard, David Solomon)
3) CWDP ( Jane Espenson, Drew Goddard, Danny Strong, Tom Lenk, Nick Marck)
4) The Killer In Me ( Drew Grennberg, David Solomon)
5) Lies My Parents Told Me ( Drew Goddard, David Fury, James Marsters, D.B. Woodside)
6) Dirty Girls (Drew Goddard, Nicholas Brendon)
7) Chosen (Joss Whedon)

Also, lots of Extras (I'm not even going to try to list) and a Spuffy cover.

My only complaint is that I wanted commentary on 'Get It Done'.
:(

[Spiked]

Man, pushed back by a month! Well I can wait a little longer. Thanks for the info Fenice!

Cover Art can be viewed here (http://www.buffyworld.com/news/gfx/gallery//1092886321.jpg).
It's a very nice cover!

EDIT: Summers, didn't know if you heard that there will be a Daredevil Director's Cut DVD released on November 30.

DVDAnswers (http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&c=4672):


Fox Home Entertainment has officially announced the director's cut of Daredevil which stars Ben Affleck, Jennifer Garner and Colin Farrell. This brand new single-disc release will be available to own from the 30th November this year, and should set you back around $19.98 in total. The film will be presented in 2.35:1 anamorphic widescreen along with English *** 5.1, Dolby Digital 5.1, Spanish Dolby Surround and French Dolby Surround tracks. The only extra material will be a new audio commentary by director Mark Steven Johnson and Avi Arad and a Making of the Director's Cut featurette. As for the director's cut itself, around twenty-minutes of additional footage has been added, bringing the total runtime to 124 minutes. I'm afraid the artwork has yet to be released, but we'll bring you that shortly. Stay tuned.

Unfortunately there'll be next to no extras on the DVD but the Director's Cut would be cool to watch. Thought you'd like to know. :)

[Summers]

thanks for the info Fenice and Spike. k, i got the link to the special features:
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=2099
basically its the same extras the UK received, however; one thing different. and that's the Easter Egg at then end which will have The Gift Montage(basically scenes from the 99 episodes)

i'm so giddy. two seasons on one day on Nov. 16th: Smallville and now Buffy. w/ Spuffy cover art. i thought Caleb was going to on it, but probably in the cover art inside it. for some reason Sarah's eyes are blue they are suppose to hazel green, and Spike in his tight black shirt :). can you guys tell what is behind Spuffy? looks like a building or something. i loved the season 4 dvd it had the Gentlemen in the background. oh, sorry i'm just giddy i love this season :)

i didnt know about the new Daredevil Director's cut, but 20 more extra minutes. i loved Daredevil. i wonder what was cut out? thanks for that info Spike. Here's some more info on Daredevil related that Buffy composer Chris Beck is going to compose music for Elektra. so up to date dates:
Angel-Sept 7th
Buffy-Nov. 16th(and Smallville)
Angel-Feb. 2005

so that's it....and there is still isnt a relase date for the Angel CD. their is commentary on Chosen by Joss i can get you guys which was released in the UK if you want to be spoiled early. just PM me, and i'll just go find it again.

[Summers]

here's some more pictures:

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/vids.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast159.jpg

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[Fenice]

Originally posted by Summers
thanks for the info Fenice and Spike. k, i got the link to the special features:
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=2099
basically its the same extras the UK received, however; one thing different. and that's the Easter Egg at then end which will have The Gift Montage(basically scenes from the 99 episodes)

i'm so giddy. two seasons on one day on Nov. 16th: Smallville and now Buffy. w/ Spuffy cover art. i thought Caleb was going to on it, but probably in the cover art inside it. for some reason Sarah's eyes are blue they are suppose to hazel green, and Spike in his tight black shirt :). can you guys tell what is behind Spuffy? looks like a building or something. i loved the season 4 dvd it had the Gentlemen in the background. oh, sorry i'm just giddy i love this season :)

i didnt know about the new Daredevil Director's cut, but 20 more extra minutes. i loved Daredevil. i wonder what was cut out? thanks for that info Spike. Here's some more info on Daredevil related that Buffy composer Chris Beck is going to compose music for Elektra.

The montage from ' The Gift ' ?!?!?

Awesome. :D

What other easter egg things do the other dvd sets have ?

Chris beck is going to do the Elektra music ? Cool. I'm really looking forward to that movie.

The S7 background does look like a building with columns, but I dont recognize it.

My friend thought the cover art for s7 might be the end shot from 'Chosen'. That would have been cool.

EDIT: TVShowsOnDVD.com (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=2106)
has some clips of the some of the Bonus Material from Angel S4.
Clips of:
Angel S4 overview
DB on Cordelia's return
Angel Cast on The Beast
DB on Angel
Faith's Jailbreak

[Summers]

i posted a while back, and a lot of us on this thread and on the another board wanted to have that Chosen picture on. but most likely Caleb and that picture will be inside the dvd set(it better be :mad: ). there is an Easter Egg on season six, but i have to go look up again.

my sister asked me what dvd are you going to put in first SV or BtVS? i said of course BtVS....we got so many special features there is 16 of them(including the commentaries). now all we have to do is wait about 2 months....gee, i hate waiting :(.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
however; one thing different. and that's the Easter Egg at then end which will have The Gift Montage(basically scenes from the 99 episodes)

i didnt know about the new Daredevil Director's cut, but 20 more extra minutes. i loved Daredevil. i wonder what was cut out? thanks for that info Spike.

there is an Easter Egg on season six, but i have to go look up again.

I love the montage! I'm so glad they're putting it in the DVD set!

In Daredevil I know they cut out all of Coolio's scene. He's in the credits but none of his scenes appeared in the movie. It was suppose to be a substory to expand on Matt Murdock as a lawyer.

Ooo! An easter egg in season six! I'll have to find what it is.

Thanks for the pictures Summers!

Wow lot's of info! :)

[Summers]

Coolio? i didnt even know he was in the picture? the scene should be interesting.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
Coolio? i didnt even know he was in the picture? the scene should be interesting.

Yeah, if you watch the first trailer or the teaser trailer you'll see him in one of the clips. It'll be nice to see all the extra scenes.

[Summers]

here's some great news Amy Acker is pregnant :). to find out more follow the link:
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=11337


and some news on the telemovie
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=11286

seems Spike's getting the most buzz, and there are rumors that Charisma Charpentar maybe a regular on Charmed. now this comes from E! Channel's Kristen, and she has the probablity of being wrong 3/4 the time. but hey, it still news.

btw, November must be the month of dvds. not only SV and Buffy are out the same day, but so is Daredevil and Spiderman 2!!!!

[Fenice]

Aww. Congratulations to Amy Acker and her husband. :)

And Yay!! Hopefully Kristen is right and CC will indeed be a regular. :D

[snaps]

chARISMA IS DOING 2 EPI THERE IS TALKS OF HER SIGNING UP FOR A REGULAR SPOT SHE IS GOING TO BE THE NEW EVIL SEER

[Spiked]

Aw! Congratulations to Amy and her husband! That's wonderful news!

[Summers]

wow, Kristen's finally right. Evil Seer, huh? i'm seeing season one and Angel Season four Cordy in my mind.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
wow, Kristen's finally right. Evil Seer, huh? i'm seeing season one and Angel Season four Cordy in my mind.

Does sound familiar. :) If I find out when the episodes air I'll catch them. It'll be nice to see Charisma again.

[Summers]

from what i hear she is starring in the second episode for this season regular or not.

[Spiked]

I've heard both. That she may or may not. It would be great to have her back on TV.

[Summers]

yea, it would. meanwhile seeing Sarah on big screen this October is going to be cool too :).

[Spiked]

I can't wait for The Grudge! I watched the trailer again yesterday. The movie is going to be great.

[Brainiac13]

I have a question that has bothered me since the beginning of season two.....What was the purpose of the Annointed One, and why didn't they advance on him?

[Dru]

Oooh! I know! I know!!! I'm currently reading transcripts since I need quotes for my sites Quotes section so I know this!!

Ahem. Annointed One first appeared in season one when a bus load of people were killed and a little boy Collin was turned to be Annointed One. It was the whole big thing where he'd lead Buffy to The Master to be killed. Which he did! (But Xander revived her with CPR)

Then in Season two he's the leader of the remaining vampires who worked for The Master with the whole vampire religion thingy. I don't know if Buffy and the gang even thought about him I mean he didn't really look scary ya know? A Little kid. Then Spike shows up and the whole thing with the parents/teacher night and he tosses him into the sun in the cage. And BAM! Spike's the new Master of Sunnydale and in his Own words: "From now on, we're gonna have a little less ritual... and a little more fun around here." *grins* he's a leader of fun with the blood and killing and stuff instead of The Masters Reign of chanting and junk! *snuggles Spike*

[Brainiac13]

I know that stuff, but he seemed like he held more "stock" with the Master than just being the one who leads Buffy to him. Why does the Annointed One have control over the vamps?

[Summers]

well, as Angel putted it in When She Was Bad the Annointed One had power over the vampires because of tradition. The Order of Arileus(sp), basically the Master's blood line family, held to the vampire traditions very seriously. If the Master died, then the Annointed One would take over in his place. which is why the Master was teaching the boy their family ways throughtout season one. i hoped that helps :)

[Summers]

here's some more pictures. i found some pretty good ones, and believe right from the bat you guys will know which episodes these pictures came from. in fact in two of them you can tell Sarah and David are in character. enjoy :)

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast280.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast329.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast341.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast375.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast356.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast345.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast333.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast324.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast323.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast317.jpg

[Spiked]

Wondeful pictures Summers! Thanks! Bangel *tear*. :)

[Summers]

here's one more picture from the Graduation Day behind the scenes. i remember this picture because i thought it was too cute. it just took time to find it again:
http://buffyfanfic.info/modules/My_eGallery/gallery/behind/behind_4006.jpg

[Spiked]

Aw! That's a great one. Sarah and David seem to of had great chemistry off the screen as well as on.

[Summers]

yea :). i just wonder how it felt having the vamp makeup on?

EDIT: can i found the easter eggs(w/ a lot of help from my friends at another board i go to) on the season six dvd. there are two Easter Eggs, and here's the route to get to them:


Access The Egg

1) Disc 2 : go to Once more with feeling - language - click onto resume then up and B will appear click on and you will find a mini featurette about the Tower records store signing for the Once More soundtrack
2) Disc 4 : go to Doublemeat Palace - Language - click over to resume the up and B will appear. Click on and a screen tells you that there is a dvd rom feature for a call sheet for Normal Again.

let's just hope the rumors are true about The Gift montage Easter Egg :).

[Spiked]

Thank you Summers! I'll pop in my DVD and view the easter eggs. :)

[Summers]

here's some more news that Joss maybe writing and directing Xmen 3
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=11482

for this rumor i hope its true, but this guy can write and direct. plus he wrote a 8-comic arc for the Astonishing X-Men, and some of the Scoobies's characteristics are derived from the xmen.

here's some news on David's possibly new movie Jurassic Park 4
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=11428

[Summers]

here's some more pictures. :)

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast291.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast297.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast300.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast354.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast380.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast385.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast124.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast125.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast126.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast139.jpg

http://www.nika-summers.com/Cast/cast256.jpg

here's a review of the Angel Season Four DVD, and a little bit more detailed on the special features. its somewhat spoilerish
http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/sitereviews.cfm?ReleaseID=3767

anybody bored on Friday FX network channel is showing a back to school Buffy marathon from noon to six. the ad for this marathon showed Chosen in it, but i'm not sure if they'll show that one because FX channel schedule had been wrong at times.

[Spiked]

Great pictures, as always! Thanks for the DVD review as well. And I totally agree with what he said:



If I had to label a season as "the best," then I think I'd have to go with season 4. The show really came together in these 22 episodes. The "big bad" was big, and very bad, and there were some great guest characters, and excellent stories. Yup, I'd have to say that this one was a great season; the best.

I love season four! Time to start saving up a few bucks! :)

[Summers]

i dont believe it. this is probably the first time ever that i disagree w/ you Spike :(. i actually thought season 2 and 5 were the best ones some parts of season four i could've done with out. reason why i posted that link from that particular site because it was quite detailed on the special features.

[nexgod]

Season four was the best i reckon

[Summers]

k, guys i'm curious why do you guys think season four is the best? there were some good parts to it, but there were so unnesscary parts to it(IMO). i'm going to buy to see the good parts for sure, but i'm just curious can you guys elaborate some more why season four is the best of the series, please. cause you guys can be seeing something differently that i'm not(which great about the Whedonverse there are so many interpretations).

oh, i check some guides on the Buffy back to school marathon Chosen isnt it. that was total false advertisement. instead they are going to show(if anybody wants to see it on FX) is :
Welcome To The Hellmouth/The Harvest
When She Was Bad
Faith, Hope, and Trick
The Freshman
Living Conditions
they couldve added Lessons, Storyteller, or Help if they wanted to as well :(.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
i dont believe it. this is probably the first time ever that i disagree w/ you Spike :(. i actually thought season 2 and 5 were the best ones some parts of season four i could've done with out. reason why i posted that link from that particular site because it was quite detailed on the special features.

Well you have to understand that I starting watching Angel during season four. So really I've never seen all of seasons one-three (I blame that on my cable network). I just really enjoyed season four. The guest appearances, Angelus, and the main reason why I love season four is for it's continuity. Each episode flowed together seamlessly. I remember getting more excited about the next episode each time it aired. :)

[Summers]

oh, i didnt know that. i saw the first episode when it originally aired. i think in any tv show whatever season you got hooked to the show it kinda special for that person. Angelus was alright i liked him better in season two of Buffy because he was a far more scarier. here he was just funny(which is good). i say the two episodes i loved him in was Soulless directed by Sean Astin and Orphus where Angel vs. Angelus fight psychology. but The Beast and Rain of Fire were just awesome :). Spin the Bottle and Home were my favorite.

i just think they just ruined Conner and Cordy because their relationship to a viewer was mother and son type, so it was just ewww. i'm glad they redeemed them the last season.

actually to me in every season i just love the continuity :) on btvs/ats

[nexgod]

i was talking about season four in buffy :p

With angel
i didnt like most of season 4 actually

I liked season 1 and 3 a lot

5 was great

[Summers]

oh, i thought you were talking about Angel cause w/ this thread buffy and angel are just combined :lol:

btw, cool avi nexgod :)

[nexgod]

hey no problem

whats your avatar from?

Season 6?

[Summers]

yea, its from season six promo shoot. yours looks like season six? i think from one of Sarah's magazine shoots?

[Summers]

David supposely auditioning for Jurassic Park 4 are just rumors, here's what he been doing:
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=11663

meanwhile Alexis Deniof(Wesley) is rumored to be thought of to star in Spielberg's remake of War of the Worlds. actually Spielberg and George Lucas are huge fans of Buffy and Angel, in fact, Lucas offered Whedon a chance to film in his studios in Australia for season six premiere.

i got the Angel Season Four DVD which looks really nice. dvds always look nice. Faith is in the cover art :) (their are no faces on the discs still quotes). the way it goes to menu they finally changed to it being similar how buffy/sv does it by showing scenes from the season. i love the outtakes, but i wont say anything what it is so not to spoil it for you guys :).

from the small ad in the dvd i'll bet Spike will replace Cordy on the cover :). at least it will be different. but bummer then its just two more dvds to go buffy and angel's last seasons :(.

[Fenice]

Ooo. Season 4.

The first thing I plan to do when I get my dvd is watch 'Spin the bottle' w/commentary. I love all the Joss commentaries. And as a bonus Alexis is also on the STB commentary. Then I'll watch the season overview and the rest of the featuretts. :D

* waits anxiously for ups to deliver *

EDIT: Does the little ad for season 5 show what color the dvd set will be ? I think the only colors not used yet are purple and black.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Fenice


EDIT: Does the little ad for season 5 show what color the dvd set will be ? I think the only colors not used yet are purple and black.

yea, it's black which fits :). Smile Time..Smile Time :) on constant repeat.

[Spiked]

I can't wait to buy my DVD! Yay Angel season four! And the last season of Buffy is about to be released!

[Summers]

here's some news on Joss Whedon most likely to be the xmen 3 movie. this article really saying it is very good probability because Joss is doing the final touches on Firefly movie Serenity.
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=11765

[KALS SON]

WHO HERE GOT ANGEL SEASON 4?

[Summers]

i believe many are wanting it to arrive at there home. i got mine for forty at Best Buy yesterday. did u get it Kal?

[KALS SON]

shore did luv every part specially with faith back.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by KALS SON
shore did luv every part specially with faith back.

I love it when Faith returns!

[Summers]

Originally posted by KALS SON
shore did luv every part specially with faith back.

i havent gotten into that much except for the outtakes :). the weekend i'll have more time, but must say i think the cover art in this one is the best i've seen for Angel. and Faith is big part of that :). i loved the scene when Willow and Evil Cordy are going at it to release Angel's soul and Cordy loses the soul which makes her reply "sh__". i was lol there. i love Orphersus(sp?)

[Spiked]

Orpheus is my favorite season four episode! I love it when Willow returns!

[Fenice]

Originally posted by Summers
but must say i think the cover art in this one is the best i've seen for Angel. and Faith is big part of that :)

Yay ! I got my copy today and I agree Summers, the cover art is great. I also love the green theme. Very pretty.

[Fenice]

Awww. They just showed 'Potential' on FX and I caught Xander's little speech to Dawn. He may not be a superpowered being but that man can sure do a lot of good with his words.

[Summers]

aww, that was one my favorite Xander scenes. "your not special dawn your extradionary(sp)". i havent seen the morning buffys of the late. i'm so weird i never watch the season that is going to come out i dvd unless i havent seen it that much. Xander and Dawn represent us, and IMO AlMiles shouldve took notes on Xander for Pete's character.

EDIT: its official Whedon is going to direct X3 here's the link:
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=11801
hopefully this time its true

[Fenice]

Originally posted by Summers
Xander and Dawn represent us, and IMO AlMiles shouldve took notes on Xander for Pete's character.
Seriously. Pete/SJ3 deserved better.



Originally posted by Summers
EDIT: its official Whedon is going to direct X3 here's the link:
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=11801
hopefully this time its true

YAY! JW in charge of X3, oh please let it be true. Im so excited about X3 ( Im a big ol' Phoenix/Jean fan *points to avi*) and Joss' involvement would be awesome. :D

[Summers]

Originally posted by Fenice

YAY! JW in charge of X3, oh please let it be true. Im so excited about X3 ( Im a big ol' Phoenix/Jean fan *points to avi*) and Joss' involvement would be awesome. :D

i know i hope its true. Joss is an excellent storyteller and he basically dervived some his own characters w/ xmen.

[greenshady]

Spike: Hey! I'm a superhero too!

Tabula Rasa... I almost couldn't bring myself to vote for it, because of the ending. But overall, I think it gave Season 6 more help than the other episodes gave their seasons. A break from some of the tension going all the way through Once More With Feeling.

[nexgod]

i liked restless

that cheeseman cracked me up

[nexgod]

yeah didnt he write a script for the orignal X-Men?

[Hopefulsuicide]

yeah i love the cheeseman... my mate had a dream with the cheesman in

[Spiked]

Originally posted by nexgod
yeah didnt he write a script for the orignal X-Men?

Yes. Joss was responsible for the infamous line:

Storm : Do you know what happens to a toad when it's struck by lightning? The same thing that happens to everything else.

[nexgod]

and that

Wolvie "hey hey it's me"

Cyclops "prove it"

Wolvie "you're a dick"

Cyclops "....ok"

[Dru]

*looks outraged* So it's HIS fault my Toady got hit my lightning?!?! *growls* Don't love him anymore..... *snuggles Toad*

[Summers]

Originally posted by nexgod
and that

Wolvie "hey hey it's me"

Cyclops "prove it"

Wolvie "you're a dick"

Cyclops "....ok"

out of both those lines this one IMO was the best. i was cracking up laughing. here's interesting news the Hollywood Reporter recognizes BtVS and AtS of tv milestones of the 90s:
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=11826

[Summers]

here's some new pictures and trailer of Marc Blucas(Riley) new movie First Daugther co-starrring Katie Holmes:
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=11779
it looks really cute and Marc looks older a little bit(he's still the hottie).

[Fenice]

I have a question. I remember hearing or reading that Joss&Co. had to change things in Angel's 4th season due to CC unexpected pregnancy. They said that they had different plans for Cordy and maybe for everybody else as well. So I was wondering if Joss&Co. ever revealed what those plans were ?

Oh and before I forget, I do feel very spoiled by the Buffy/Angel. And if loving Puppet Angel is wrong, I dont to be right. :p :cool:

[Summers]

Originally posted by Fenice
I have a question. I remember hearing or reading that Joss&Co. had to change things in Angel's 4th season due to CC unexpected pregnancy. They said that they had different plans for Cordy and maybe for everybody else as well. So I was wondering if Joss&Co. ever revealed what those plans were ?

Oh and before I forget, I do feel very spoiled by the Buffy/Angel. And if loving Puppet Angel is wrong, I dont to be right. :p :cool:

from what i read Joss and the writers did plan for Cordy to become evil for about a season and half. i dont remember reading what there initial plans were, however; in their interviews prior and during the season Joss and the writers said they could work her pregnancy into the storyline. and it would allow CC to lay low after her baby boy's birth which is why they put Cordy in a coma. since she gave birth in the last episodes of the season. i did read plans for season seven of buffy that were revealed recently, but not of Angel except for plans they had to do w/ season six. sorry, i couldnt be of help Fenice maybe something else read something i havent.

you read the spoiled post :). some people loved the puppet. some didnt. some you havent seen the show ridculed w/out seeing it. i say the angel puppet rocks especially when he's Mr.Grumpy Gills.

i have a question in Supersymmentry( i hope i spelled that right). the portal Fred opened that was Qutorh(the hell dimension baby Conner and Holtz entered) right? it looked like the same portal because Pylea's was pretty and blueish.

[Fenice]

They never stated where they were going to send the Prof. but the portal did look like the one that led to Quortoth (sp?). Im a little fuzzy on the details but in Season 3 they had a hard time trying to open a portal to Quortoth and here it didnt really take Fred a lot to open it which makes me think that the portal was not to Quortoth.

He he. It was so funny when Angel was holding the demon's head and the demon was still alive.

Angel: Oh come on. Im holding your head !


you read the spoiled post . some people loved the puppet. some didnt. some you havent seen the show ridculed w/out seeing it. i say the angel puppet rocks especially when he's Mr.Grumpy Gills. I loved the part when the puppets on the tv show were singing some nice little cute song and as the song went on Puppet Angel only got madder and madder. He he.


i did read plans for season seven of buffy that were revealed recently, but not of Angel except for plans they had to do w/ season six. sorry, i couldnt be of help Fenice maybe something else read something i havent. Thanks anyways :) , but now Im curious. What were some of the plans for Buffy S7 ??

EDIT: Im watching some s4 Angel episodes and have I ever mentioned how much I love Leila Morgan ? :D

[greenshady]

Originally posted by Summers
i have a question in Supersymmentry( i hope i spelled that right). the portal Fred opened that was Qutorh(the hell dimension baby Conner and Holtz entered) right? it looked like the same portal because Pylea's was pretty and blueish.

I don't think it was a portal to neither Quartoth or Pylea. It could've been a portal to one of many different hell dimensions. It never really said. I wonder if Fred really knew where she was sending him.

[Summers]

Originally posted by Fenice
They never stated where they were going to send the Prof. but the portal did look like the one that led to Quortoth (sp?). Im a little fuzzy on the details but in Season 3 they had a hard time trying to open a portal to Quortoth and here it didnt really take Fred a lot to open it which makes me think that the portal was not to Quortoth.

He he. It was so funny when Angel was holding the demon's head and the demon was still alive.

Angel: Oh come on. Im holding your head !

I loved the part when the puppets on the tv show were singing some nice little cute song and as the song went on Puppet Angel only got madder and madder. He he.

Thanks anyways :) , but now Im curious. What were some of the plans for Buffy S7 ??

EDIT: Im watching some s4 Angel episodes and have I ever mentioned how much I love Leila Morgan ? :D

thanks Fenice and Greenshady i forgot about that they couldnt open the portal to Quartoth. that makes more since that it could be another hell dimension. all i knew it definitely wasnt Pylea.

i know i loved it when he said "i'm holding your head". i totally forgot the references to Daredevil when they were in the comic book store "i'm Bullseye and your Elektra" i was smiling at that part(and i thought you guys Spiked and Fenice :) ).

he was total Grumpy Gills at that scene when they singing. his face started to get smaller w/ anger....like he did when Spike teased him :)....have to wait until Feburary :(

i know i love Lilah Morgan too!!!!! it seems like she starts to have some emotion that was long gone when she starts to sleep w/ Wesley. i loved her in Deep Down in the conference room.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
i know i loved it when he said "i'm holding your head". i totally forgot the references to Daredevil when they were in the comic book store "i'm Bullseye and your Elektra" i was smiling at that part(and i thought you guys Spiked and Fenice :) ).

Aw, thanks Summers!

[Summers]

Eliza's Tru Calling may be cancelled. Fox only ordered 6 episodes. here's the link:
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/?navi=news.php&id=11922
as i know of they will premiere in 2005 like Alias is(i think?)

[Spiked]

Yes, Alias will be premiering in January. It's so hard to wait that long! At least Smallville is starting next week.

It would seem weird to hire new writers (around three or four) to help with the new season. Fox might be waiting until they hear the ratings. But if they do that then it'll be about two to three months before any new episodes would air after the first six.

[Summers]

that's true, but FOX has the tendency of wanting good results fast.

[nexgod]

Yeah look at Wonderfalls and Firefly

Quality shows, taken down before their prime

[KALS SON]

Anyone feel bad for angel when he lost his son connor/Vincent Karthesir on the last episode of season 4 i did lol SO SAD SO SAD.

[Summers]

yea, i didnt think i would be though because i was just getting tired of . i was happy that conner got a happy family, but sad for angel to give him up. that's when i started to cry :(. i was more moved then i thought i was going to be.

Kal, you already got to Home already on the dvd? i barely finished Calavary(sp?)....i love that one it was so creepy, but a cool creepy.

[Summers]

"i wear the cheese it does not wear me"

[KALS SON]

Yea i got through the whole thing trust me i watch all of them in one day well not in one day but u know what i mean and don't get tired of it.

[Summers]

man, i can barely finish eight last weekend. i dont get tired of it either. watching dvds are kinda relaxing, but w/ seasons i like to take my time until the next season comes out.

[Spiked]

Hey Summers, could you clear out your inbox so I can send you a PM? Thanks! :)

[Summers]

sorry about that i forget to delete my inbox all the time. k, its clear now.

[Spiked]

LOL, it's ok! No worries.

[Summers]

i'm surpised my email still works cause i'm too lazy to delete the emails and sent items. :lol:

EDIT: i havent forgotten. tomorrow i will find and post the plans/senerios Joss and the other writers wanted to do for the last season of buffy

[Summers]

k, here's a senerio Joss was planning to do in season seven. i got this from www.buffy.nu:

Of course, it was Tara’s death that continues to haunt many BUFFY fans, and many were in attendance at the convention, as Amber Benson was on-hand to promote her current project and sign autographs on the convention floor at the Inkworks booth all three days of the convention.

"I didn’t think people would be rapturously happy. I was just as surprised by how warmly she was received. I was surprised by how important that relationship was."

Whedon told crowds that he wanted to bring back Tara in the penultimate episodes of the series. While fans knew that originally, the plan had been for the First to impersonal Tara in "Conversations with Dead People" the news that Tara would have possible return for real was met with surprise. Especially considering that in the long history of both BUFFY and ANGEL, Buffy are Darla were the only characters to return from their supposed final resting places.

"In one of the final episodes, the third to last episode, Buffy was going to basically get a ’get out of jail free’ card. One completely reality-altering things that she could have-she could bring Angel back to her, she could do anything she wanted. At the end of the episode she basically comes to Willow and says ’Look at these shoes I got!’ and Willow’s, like, ’What?’ ’I got these really awesome shoes. I wanted them, and now I have them!’ and Willow’s like ’You... used... the wish... for shoes?’ and Buffy says ’Of course not, you idiot,’ and walks out of the room and Willow turns around and Tara’s standing behind her."

Given that Buffy’s reaction to being ripped from Heaven was negative in the extreme, this seems surprising. As does the idea that she would bring back Willow’s lover, rather than her and Dawn’s mother Joyce, who died of a brain tumour in the fifth season. However, Whedon notes that the impetus for the storyline would also show Buffy being self-less, giving to Willow, rather than for her own gain.

"That was one of the instances where behind-the-scenes deal making going south really did hurt the show because we never got to do that, and it would have been cool. What we were doing with Kennedy, which some people responded to and some didn’t, was because of that. Because I knew I couldn’t bring Tara back early on, I wanted then to change the course and make a statement about grief and how hard that is. How hard it was for Willow. To make the statement that you can [recover], that life goes on. That somebody on the show would be in a decent relationship when the show ended.

end of article

i found it very contradicting because why would Buffy want to bring Tara out of heaven after her ordeal in season six. being pulled out of heaven tramaized Buffy, and i dont see her doing that whatsoever. i do see her giving Willow a gift, but not in that form. possibility allowing to talk to Tara one more time from beyond the grave. plus Benson didnt want to the audience to see Tara as the incarnation of evil(the First). i'm glad they brought the "real" Joyce back in Bring On The Night because the last time we saw Joyce would be as The First.

[nexgod]

yeah i would have also thought it woulda have been too weird for Tara to come back, but then again i never really liked her

Thanks for that article!

[Fenice]

Originally posted by Summers
Eliza's Tru Calling may be cancelled. Fox only ordered 6 episodes. here's the link:
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/?navi=news.php&id=11922
as i know of they will premiere in 2005 like Alias is(i think?)

I remember being at some Buffy board and reading an article on Joss' feelings about Angel being cancelled. He said " Hey at least we lasted 5 seasons, it could have been worse. The show could have been on Fox". :lol:

I have to agree with Joss'. Fox can be pretty horrible to new shows. Im still mad about them cancelling 'Wonderfalls' after airing 3 episodes. That was just wrong.

I hope 'Tru Calling' survives to see more than the 6 epsidoes, but I would not be suprised if it didnt.

Thanks for the article, Summers. :)

I had heard that Joss&Co. wanted to bring Tara back but I had no details on how. It would have been weird for Buffy to have been the one to bring Tara back. Like all of you said Buffy had a hard time when she came back and probably wouldnt want to do that to someone else. That said I almost wish they had gone through with it. I wasnt happy that of all the great ships BtSV had, the one ship that survived was Willow/Kennedy. Bringing Tara back would have taken care of that.
Oh well. Oz is still alive. Maybe Oz can encounter Kennedy during a full moon. ;) :p

[Summers]

Originally posted by Fenice
I remember being at some Buffy board and reading an article on Joss' feelings about Angel being cancelled. He said " Hey at least we lasted 5 seasons, it could have been worse. The show could have been on Fox". :lol:

I have to agree with Joss'. Fox can be pretty horrible to new shows. Im still mad about them cancelling 'Wonderfalls' after airing 3 episodes. That was just wrong.

.
Oh well. Oz is still alive. Maybe Oz can encounter Kennedy during a full moon. ;) :p

:lol: i just blocked the kennedy/willow relationship and just concentrated on watching Spuffy and Faith/Wood(they were pretty cool together). Wonderfalls? i know you and nexgod mentioned it couple of times in misc threads. and i heard it when it aired.....did Marti Noxon do that show or was that other one?

btw, again love your avi Fenice. i just watch to see Lilah and Lindsay pop up.....i love Christian Kane. i saw a movie the other day and he was in it. The movie was called Secondhand Lions and he played Robert Duvall's younger self. Kane did a lot of action in that part, and it was a pretty good family movie as well.

[Fenice]

Originally posted by Summers
:lol: i just blocked the kennedy/willow relationship and just concentrated on watching Spuffy and Faith/Wood(they were pretty cool together). Wonderfalls? i know you and nexgod mentioned it couple of times in misc threads. and i heard it when it aired.....did Marti Noxon do that show or was that other one?

btw, again love your avi Fenice. i just watch to see Lilah and Lindsay pop up.....i love Christian Kane. i saw a movie the other day and he was in it. The movie was called Secondhand Lions and he played Robert Duvall's younger self. Kane did a lot of action in that part, and it was a pretty good family movie as well.

Right, I forgot about Faith/Wood. They were nice together. :)

Here is a little more info on 'Wonderfalls':

Set against the backdrop of Niagara Falls, Wonderfalls is a quirky one-hour family dramedy about an underachieving twenty-something souvenir shop worker named Jaye Tyler. Her life is forever changed when inanimate figures – including toys, cartoons and anything in the form of an animal, begin to talk to her. In each episode, the creatures' cryptic messages set into motion a chain of unpredictable events that invariably lead Jaye into the lives of others in need.

It was really funny and entertaining. But no, it didnt get katrillion viewers after 2 episodes so no more 'Wonderfalls'. :rolleyes:
Oh and this is the show that Tim Minear did after he left 'Angel'.

Thanks for the avi praise. :) I got the idea to do it after watching the first half of Angel season 4. I havent watched my 'Angel' dvds in a while, so seeing Leila in season 4 reminded me of my love for her evil litlle self , so I decided to make a Wolfram & Hart avi featuring all its charming evil lawyers. :D

[Spiked]

I'm not sure why but I really did not like Faith and Wood together. I admit they had a few funny moments together but that's about the extent of what I thought of them together. As an item it felt all wrong, out-of-place somehow.

Edit: Buffy.nu posted an article about Buffy The Vampire Slayer: The Complete DVD Collector's Edition!:


The whole lot on DVD in one box coming soon.

Out on 22nd November, courtesy of Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment, is Buffy The Vampire Slayer: The Complete DVD Collector’s Edition.

Joyously packaged in a leatherette box, the set includes the seven seasons spread over 39 discs at the bargain price of £199.99.

As well as all the episodes, the DVD set includes various extra including commentaries, featurettes, outtakes, Easter Eggs, trailers and cast biographies.

Plus, there’s a special booklet included and a letter from Joss Whedon himself - although we doubt he’s written each one.

Be warned, with only 10,000 produced, it may just fly off the shelves.

Looks like the DVD set is planned to be released in the UK. Maybe FOX will release it over here as well?

Click here (http://www.buffy.nu/article.php3?id_article=6548) to view the DVD box set.

[nexgod]

its only about £130 on amazon!!

yay for me :D

Tim Minear produced Wonderfalls

[greenshady]

I've been rewatching the show with my sister and a friend lately. And I forgot all about "Something Blue." That's one of my all-time favorite episodes, as far as comedy goes. I think it was in Season 4.

[Summers]

your right its season four. "i'm marrying Spike :)"

[Summers]

Originally posted by Spiked
I'm not sure why but I really did not like Faith and Wood together. I admit they had a few funny moments together but that's about the extent of what I thought of them together. As an item it felt all wrong, out-of-place somehow.


at the time to me anything was better than Kennedy/Willow :lol:. i knew some buffy/angel writer did Wonderfalls i just couldnt remember who.

i wonder if the special features are the exact same features we all have on the seasonal dvds? are u going to buy it nexgod, then?

EDIT:its official Tru Calling has been cancelled!!!!!!!!!

[Fenice]

" you dont think I have to live with the shadow of Drusilla over my head " :lol:

[Summers]

i love this part in Something Blue when marriage Buffy runs into Riley near the wedding shop:

Riley: Hey, Buffy. What's up?

(Buffy turns back, staring at the dress)

Buffy: Riley, look — aren't they beautiful?

Riley: Um, yeah.. they're nice. A little dressy, maybe.. for school, but..

(Buffy walks towards him)

Buffy: Riley..

Riley: Buffy?

Buffy: I really like you. I hope you know that you mean a lot to me, and if things were different—

Riley: Different than what?

(She takes his hand. He looks rightly confused)

Buffy: I want you to promise me that we can always be friends, and I'd really like you to be there on "The Day".

Riley: The day when..

Buffy: The wedding!

Riley: The wedding. What wedding?

Buffy: My wedding! I'm getting married — can you believe it?

Riley: I don't think "no" is a strong enough word.

Buffy: I know! It's crazy! I mean, we fought for all these years, and then.. Sometimes you just look at someone, and you know.. You know?

Riley: No..

Buffy: I think maybe we fought because we couldn't admit how we really felt about eachother.

Riley: (Confused) Can we start again?

Buffy: You'll really like him. Well, nobody really likes him..

Riley: I just need to clear a few things up..

Buffy: I don't even really like him..

Riley: Buffy..

Buffy: But.. I love him. I do.

Riley: Who?

Buffy: What?

Riley: What's his name?

Buffy: Who?

Riley: The groom.

Buffy: Spike!

Riley: That's a name?

Buffy: Don't be mad.

Riley: I'm not mad!

Buffy: No, you are mad!

Riley: No, I am! Er.. I really.. Wow. Who is this guy? Does he go here?

Buffy: Spike? (Laughs) Oh, no.. He's totally old.

Riley: Old.

Buffy: Well, not as old as my last boyfriend was.

Riley: (Befuddled) Okay.. It's late.. and I'm, I'm very tired now. So, I'm just gonna go far away and be.. away.

Buff: But—

Riley: No, stay.

(Riley walks off, looking extremely confused. Buffy just stands there, watching him go, a forlorn look on her face)

Buffy: You're ruining my happy day.

[Spiked]

Originally posted by Summers
at the time to me anything was better than Kennedy/Willow :lol:. i knew some buffy/angel writer did Wonderfalls i just couldnt remember who.

i wonder if the special features are the exact same features we all have on the seasonal dvds? are u going to buy it nexgod, then?

EDIT:its official Tru Calling has been cancelled!!!!!!!!!

*cringes thinking about Willow/Kennedy*

It is official? The new season hasn't even started! What is FOX thinking?

[Summers]

i was such in a rush reading the article that i forgot to post the link. sorry guys i'll find it again when i get home. but i was just shocked because i thought FOX would give Tru a chance since they were waiting for their ratings to go up. but it hasnt aired yet?

[nexgod]

If it has the special features, i would definately buy it :D

[Summers]

here's the link for Tru Calling:

here's the link of one of the actors from the show:
http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=ParryShen

the link to Matt Roush from tv guide:
http://www.tvguide.com/tv/roush/askmatt/
the person who asked the question is actually one of the members from another board i go to that loves Tru Calling

k, here's the last link i've found of the schedule Fox's schedule:
http://www.fox.com/schedule/schedule_2005_jan.htm

so i dont know? everything is really up in the air right now, and i dont know when this link was last updated.

[Piiike]

I CANT BELIEVE YOU LEFT OUT "THE ZEPPO" which was a Xander-centered episode.

[willowtree]

Tru hasn't officially been cancelled yet. Yes, it has been cut down to 6 episodes, and no-one knows when the second season's gonna start (that's why it's not on the 2005 schedule), but it hasn't been cancelled. Yet.

[Summers]

no not yet which is why i put the Fox link up there because it still has them up for January 2005 just to make sure. so nothing is official yet. i'm just getting the news as it comes :) false, rumor, or true.

[nexgod]

lots were missing

and :lol: with the Something Blue

[Summers]

Pangs(thanksgiving episode) was very funny as well.

Spike: you made a bear
Buffy:i didnt mean to
Spike:UNDO IT!!! UNDO IT!!!

[Fenice]

:lol: Niiice Icon, Spiked. :D

[Summers]

the invasion of the Lois avis :lol:. they are awesome looking Fenice and Spike :)

[Spiked]

I love your's Fenice! Great job!

Thanks guys! :)

[Fenice]

Originally posted by Summers
the invasion of the Lois avis :lol:. they are awesome looking Fenice and Spike :)

:lol: Attack of the Avis, Indeed. Thanks for the avi praise, Summers ! :) This is the oldest Lois avi I have. As soon as I got this picture I started working on the avi. And I finally get to use it. Yay! :D


Originally posted by Spiked
I love your's Fenice! Great job!

Thanks guys! :)

Thanks Spiked ! :) Your avi has one of the best pictures Ive seen of ED. She really looks stunning in that photo.

[vyperman7]

This may be a Buffy the Vampire thread, but I thought I would review season four of Angel since I just finished the season on DVD.

ANGEL SEASON 4

As you all know I have never watched a single episode of either Buffy the Vampire Slayer or Angel while the shows were on television. I have been watching season per season on DVD. Up until I saw season four of Angel, I would have said that Buffy the Vampire Slayer was the better of the two shows. But the fourth season of Angel blew me away, and actually made me like Angel more. The thing that I liked most about season four of Angel was the fact that after the seventh episode Appocalypse Nowish, the rest of the season felt like one big story arc. It flowed like a season of 24. While this may have been bad for people watching on television, it was great for watching on DVD because you could watch one episode after the next.

Season four had so many enjoyable elements to it. Both Angel and Connor are in love with Cordelia, Wesley has become a cold hearted bad ass who stayed in a relationship with Lilah, Cordelia of all people becomes evil, Faith, Willow, and Angelus return to the show, and you had The Beast which is probably one of the best villans ever. Now along with most people I did not really like Jasmine all that much. She slowed down the pace of the season. But once she got past the happy homemaker facade and her real plan was revealed, the wait became worth it. Overall, this season just kept getting better and better because just when I thought the season could not suprise me anymore, it would do something else to blow me away.

Episode highlights for me include :

Appocalypse Nowish - My favorite episode of season four and of the whole show. The fight on the roof, the special effects, the sky raining fire, Angel seeing Connor and Cordelia sleeping together, etc.. I have never been into an episode of Angel as much as I was this one.

Spin the Bottle - Absolutely hilarious. I loved seeing everyone relate to their 17 year old personalities. Especially Angel as Liam!!

Orpheus - Man this episode ruled. Willow makes an appearance to restore Angel's soul, and we are taken into the mind of Angelus where we end up seeing the two egos Angel and Angelus fighting it out to see who gains control. Perhaps the best part of this episode beside Angel and Angelus fighting was Angelus being pissed off at Angel's love for Barry Manilow. I have never laughed so hard in my life.

Awakening - Another fantastic episode. I love alternate reality episodes. Throughout the whole episode we are actually seeing how Angel wants his life to be, and then it is revealed that Angel imagined the whole thing, and Angelus returns.

Soulless - Watching Angelus antagonize the whole gang is great to watch in this one. Also, loved the ending where Angel's soul mysteriously vanishes from the safe.

Salvage - Faith breaks out of prison and returns to the show. Great episode throughout. Only thing that bummed me out, was how easily The Beast was taken out. It would have been cool if he stuck around a little while longer.

Release - Another fantastic episode throughout and what a great cliffhanger with Angelus appearing to be turning Faith into a vampire. I always loved Faith, and any episode with her in it is a plus for me.

The House Always Wins - I love Las Vegas and gambling and that is why I loved this episode. Plus, it was great to see Lorne in a bigger atmosphere.

Home - Good finale, but a few things confused me. It is never revealed what happened with Gunn and the Panther. Also, it is never revealed whether or not Connor's memory is the only thing that was wiped, or his strength and speed as well. I would have liked to have known if he was turned into a completely normal kid.

OVERALL IMPRESSION :

As I said previously, season four often takes a lot of heat and is thought to be one of the weaker seasons. I loved it from start to finish and would rate it as the best season so far. I have not seen season five yet obviously, but even though I have heard there were some great episodes, I think season four is going to remain my top season. It was filled with suspense, the return of fabulous characters, great humor, some truly excellent episodes, and a bittersweet ending that made me highly anticipate season five.

My Grade : A

[Summers]

wow, you gave it higher than i would have given it. i loved the first half of the season, but rest no so much. Cordy/Conner relationship was ewww, and the Jasmine was their scapegoat for it. IMO Joss and the writers didnt execute that storyline very well, however; w/out it we wouldnt have gotten a solid season five. at the same time this aired i was involved w/ buffy's season seven which in my opinion blowed angel's season four out of the water.

however, in comparing both shows's season four i like them both equally. because of the comedy and foreshadowing of what is to come in the last three seasons of buffy. season four angel had problems to the extent of buffy's season four. but both of their season fours allowed them to transition the show into a new direction.

[vyperman7]

Summers,

I actually did not care for Buffy season four all that much. I would still give it 4 out of 5 stars for some great episodes. But I hated the overall storyline with the Iniative, Adam was the worst big bad of the whole show, and I hated Riley with a passion. I also don't like it when the big battle ends in the second to last episode, and the season finale is a stand alone episode. It seems more fitting when the conflict that has been building up all season ends in the season finale. That is probably the reason why I did not like the episode Home in Angel's fourth season as much as some people did. It was a good episode, just like the season finale to Buffy's fourth season was. I just had a hard time getting into them, because the action that had been building up was put to rest.

[Summers]

Originally posted by vyperman7
Summers,

I actually did not care for Buffy season four all that much. I would still give it 4 out of 5 stars for some great episodes. But I hated the overall storyline with the Iniative, Adam was the worst big bad of the whole show, and I hated Riley with a passion. I also don't like it when the big battle ends in the second to last episode, and the season finale is a stand alone episode. It seems more fitting when the conflict that has been building up all season ends in the season finale. That is probably the reason why I did not like the episode Home in Angel's fourth season as much as some people did. It was a good episode, just like the season finale to Buffy's fourth season was. I just had a hard time getting into them, because the action that had been building up was put to rest.

that's cool. i totally understand and respect your opinion :). many people today still view Primeval as the finale rathar than Restless. as does the same w/ Home. see i loved both Home and Restless very much. but i understand that perspective. when Home aired people were paralleling it to Restless on btvs. Angel and Buffy just go hand and hand..i guess. i loved Home because i mean just looking at the new Wolfram and Hart building and see Lilah again. Plus finding out how Angel will get over to Sunnydale. i guess Home more for me was a continution of Buffy's season seven. just wait until you see Angel's season five....now that was a blast..i hope you will enjoy that one.

i got some more info on Tru Calling. many fans of the show are trying to move to the show to the WB. here's the link:
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/?navi=news.php&id=12179
and Marc Blucas's movie First Daughter w/ Katie Holmes is coming out this Friday.

[lucky 12]

"Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered" is my favorite episode in the whole series, actually. :cool:

[Summers]

starting today they are going to air reruns of Angel's last season TNT starting with the premiere Conviction.

[Dru]

*grins* I saw! I love that last scene! "Spike!" "Spike." "Blondy Bear?" LOL! I love Harmony! And to this day every time I watch this ep I hear "I'm incredibly sick of fanfic!" I know that's not what she's saying but that's what it sounds like!

[KALS SON]

I got one question for evryone why don't you guys like connor i do i think he is pretty cool the fact that he has the abiltities of a vampire but isn't one. But i think he is a demon.

[vyperman7]

Originally posted by KALS SON
I got one question for evryone why don't you guys like connor i do i think he is pretty cool the fact that he has the abiltities of a vampire but isn't one. But i think he is a demon.

I have no problem whatsoever with Connor. He is actually one of the reasons why season four is my favorite season so far. The fact that he has all the strengths of a vampire and none of the weaknesses makes him a cool character in my book.

[KALS SON]

Yup yup vyperman i mean this kid is good actor i think they just got him at of know where from what i know but i might be wrong. But i with vyperman that was one of the reasons why season 4 was good.

I got one question for everybody why do you think they took away vincent karthesir from season 5.

[Summers]

Originally posted by KALS SON
Yup yup vyperman i mean this kid is good actor i think they just got him at of know where from what i know but i might be wrong. But i with vyperman that was one of the reasons why season 4 was good.

I got one question for everybody why do you think they took away vincent karthesir from season 5.

because the Cordy/Conner relationship wasnt accepted very well whatsoever by majority of the viewers(which i am one of them). Cordy was Conner's mother figure and it was disgusting to see them sleep together. One season we see Cordy feeding Conner, and the next we see them sleeping together. It was very much like Opedius to me, and it was just gross. Many fans didnt appreciate it which is way Joss came up w/ the Jasmine storyline to scapegoat it. Joss had to plan something quick because Charisma became pregnant that season, and she was showing in Supersymmentry. Joss does listen to the fans in both buffy and angel's season fours.

The only thing i hated about season four was Cordy/Conner relationship. i just didnt like it. I love Conner in season three and in season five, but in four Joss really ruined Cordy and Conner's characters from my point of view. Many fans(including me) was glad that they were redeemed in the last season. the whole Cordy/Conner relationship was the primary reason fans turned away from Angel. there was peak in rating when Faith and Willow came on the show mostly because of the buffy's fans want to see how Faith returns to Sunnydale. Once the girls left for Sunnydale the ratings became low again because of Jasmine, Cordy, and Conner. every board i went to that's what i observed, and all the articles i read is what it concluded. However, ratings shot up again w/ Home because the buffy fans wanted to find out how and why Angel came to Sunnydale.

the other reason Conner wasnt in season five that much is because Joss was going another direction with show w/ going to Wolfram and Hart. the last reason was because of ratings to pull away from Conner's arc for a while. i love Conner's character just not in season four, but when they showed him in season five many fans rallied behind him and liked him. but majority of fans liked him in seasons three and five. many fans also thought Conner was Angel's Dawn. Dawn worked so well in buffy's season five, and then Conner happened one year later after Dawn appeared on buffy. let's just say this Conner is more accepted now because Joss saved his character in season five which i am definitely grateful for :).

[Dru]

Oh yeah The Connor/Cordy thing was gross!!! I remember ranting and raving at message boards with everyone.... It was sick. She was almost his mom and then she's sleeping with him? Ick.

I loved him in season 5 though! He was so happy and funny and fluffy! It was fun seeing him not depressed or moody. I loved things like him being excited about his powers and things. And the interaction with Angel was just adorable! Really fun!

[KALS SON]

Yea i luv connor in season 5 to he just seem like a regular old kid. But yea i didn't really like the whole cordy and connor thing but i luved connor when he was fighting the beast even though he got his behind spank lol.

[Dannyblue1]

Actually, I always thought Connor worked way more than Dawn. I liked Dawn in season 5 but, even then, things were happening to her, or around her, or because of her, rather than her being a pro-active character in her own right. And, in seasons 6 and 7, there just seemed to be nothing for her to do.

Connor was always interesting and relevant. And I think he was also interesting in season 4. Yeah, I hated the Connor/Cordy stuff as much as the next person. (Even though Angelus's line, "Doing your mom and trying to kill your dad…
hmm, there should be a play," was priceless.) But the character of Connor himself was always fascinating. And, once you knew it wasn't really Cordy, watching her manipulate him was also fascinating. Really, the way Evil!Cordy dealt with Connor was the way I imagine cult leaders get control of their followers. Every time he had some doubts, she'd mastefully reel him back in. Plus, if you accept that part of the purpose of Connor/Cordy was to throw Angel off his game--which it did--it's not quite as hard to take in hindsight as it was at the time.

[KALS SON]

Did anyone see this kid play in any other shows vincent karthesir i think he is a pretty good actor in my opinion.

[Summers]

Conner's fighting is just plain cool. We never found out exactly what he is i mean....technically speaking? it so sad how Conner and Dawn had to go through almost the same thing. Conner's human and born from two vampires, and Dawn use to be a key but is now human. My teenage sister always wanted to see them together even though they never met. In season five it reminded me what Conner would have been like if Holtz and the events of season four never happened.

Conner rocks!!!!:). But i was definitely ranting and raving about the conner/cordy thing on the boards as well. In the end we got a great joke about in Origin when Conner meant Illyria, and Angel replies "they were suppose to fix that". Dru, your watching TNT(i havent had time) is Angel still in full screen? In Just Rewards they show Chosen in it, and it was awesome to see it in widescreen....i was so exicted that came out of nowhere.


Originally posted by KALS SON
Did anyone see this kid play in any other shows vincent karthesir i think he is a pretty good actor in my opinion.

no, what other shows was he in? On Evil Cordy the best scene i love is her magic mojo fight w/ Willow "what to do Gelda!?"...that just rocked.

[KALS SON]

Summers i tell you what connor is he is human/demon. What i mean by that is he is human because of angel soul but he is still half demon because his parents were. Also has the abilties of angel and darla. Hope that raps it up summers lol.

[Summers]

yea, it does. basically he's similar to Cordy who looks human, but has demon abilites. which can be said for slayers as well since their power comes from demon spirit/heart. right?

[KALS SON]

YUP YUP YUP!

[nexgod]

i dislike season 4 connnor

ooh that reminds me

Season four on now

[Dru]

Dru, your watching TNT(i havent had time) is Angel still in full screen?

I don't know..I only saw the one ep on Monday and can't remember and now I'm working nights so I can't watch it anymore. I work from 4 pm to 9 pm so Angel is totally out for me.

[Dannyblue1]

TNT doesn't show ANGEL in full screen. I don't quite understand why, but there ya go. Neither does my local station that shows ANGEL in syndication. Nope, look like you have to buy the DVDs to see ANGEL in lettebox...which might be their intention. :D

[Summers]

thanks, Dannyblue, Dru, and Kal :). at least we get the dvd in early 2005. maybe its just more expensive for the networks to do widescreen? who knows, but The Musical is still in widescreen when they air it....i was just curious because Angel was meant for widescreen.

[Hopefulsuicide]

Originally posted by Piiike
I CANT BELIEVE YOU LEFT OUT "THE ZEPPO" which was a Xander-centered episode.

couldnt put em all... just put all the ones that crossed my mind at the time... i love the eppie but i wouldnt say it was the funniest

[Summers]

one of my kid sister and I favorite comedy was Real Me. i tell her all the time she just acts like Dawn, and she says "so you act like Buffy especially when she tells Dawn not to move from her stop in the Magic Box". and she's right :lol:....season five is very relatable to my sister and I :).

[KALS SON]

Umm for people who don't know angel season 5 will hit stores i believe either in Jan or Feb.

[Summers]

in the small ad in the season four dvd it said Feburary 2005 which would make sense Angel season three came out in Feburary.

[ShadowQueen]

Bewitched Bothered & Bewildered and Band Candy, I think. I also thought the Halloween one was pretty funny.

Cordy to Buffy: "What's your deal? Take a pill!"

I loved BB&B., though.

I like it when even Dru wants Xander, and Angelus says something to the effect of "man, I really *did* drive you crazy!" :lol:

[Summers]

i dont know about you guys, but i'm becoming a fan of fanart. i wish i had the software to do it. since i dont here some really nice Angel season one fanart:
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/index.php?navi=news.php&id=12294
i love City Of, I Will Remember You, and Hero are the best IMO.

[Spiked]

Great fan art! Thanks Summers!

[Summers]

sure, love the avi Spike :). I dont know if anybody knows but Sarah Michelle Gellar is going to have a new movie coming out in October 22nd called The Grudge which is American adaptation of Ju-On. which was shot all in Japan, and by the original Japanese director that made the Ju-On and its sequels. Ju-On is critically acclaimed in Japan, and it a must see in my opinion. Well, anyways to get to the point here are some pictures, and some new trailers released for the movie:
http://www.slayerverse.de/tanet/net_buffy_us/?navi=news.php&id=12370
The Grudge/Ju-On is a thriller/suspense movie that just messes with your mind. and these new pictures are tripping me out. I cant wait to see this is movie :)/

[Spiked]

Thanks Summers! Wow great pictures! I'm ready for The Grudge to open!

[Hopefulsuicide]

i really really love living conditions at the mo...

"i just know this year is gonna be SUPER FUN!"

[Summers]

that was a funny one especially Buffy and Cathy purposely annoying each other, such as Buffy drinking the carton of milk and Cathy non-stop repeat listening to Cher's "I Believe". k, i like that song but if i heard it the same amount Buffy did i would think Cathy was evil too :lol:.

[vyperman7]

Cathy was one of the most annoying characters ever!! Man, did I feel for Buffy in that situation. Having to listen to Cher over and over and deal with her uptight rules. Man, she was annoying.

[Hopefulsuicide]

Willow: (on the phone to giles) Buffy's acting kinda insane... no not *****y insane, more like homisidal maniac insane... so i sent her over to you okay

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Giles: You took your roomate patrolling with you?

Buffy: Well i invited the whole dorm but she was the only one who could come

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Buffy: I then i said 'you want share time, share this' (makes punching actions

Oz: so did you hit her or do your wacky mime routine

Buffy: Neither, but she deserved it

Oz: No one deserves a mime buffy

(quotes may not be exact)

p.s. my favourite buffy quote of all time has to come from becoming

Spike: It's a big rock... cant wait to tell all my friends, they dont have a rock this big

[nexgod]

AHAHHA

Thats my fave as well :D

[KALS SON]

Summers i got a question for you if you got this already because i sent it to you alot of times lol because something is wrong with my computer but if you get of bunch of what im saying in your inbox sorry well anyway. Umm do you remember when angel and connor where fighting in the last episode of season 4 when connor had all the explosives on the people in the store. Well i don't understand what happen when angel slit connor with the knife in the whole screen faded away kinda confused lol.

[Summers]

Originally posted by KALS SON
Summers i got a question for you if you got this already because i sent it to you alot of times lol because something is wrong with my computer but if you get of bunch of what im saying in your inbox sorry well anyway. Umm do you remember when angel and connor where fighting in the last episode of season 4 when connor had all the explosives on the people in the store. Well i don't understand what happen when angel slit connor with the knife in the whole screen faded away kinda confused lol.

He made the deal w/ Lilah and the senior partners. the deal was that he would run the LA branch of Wolfram and Hart in exchange of Conner having a better life. that he and the rest of Fang Gang(excluding Angel) wouldnt remember. basically it was kinda showing us a time paradox happening. at that moment the senior partners(or the guy who did the spell) changed everything at that precise moment, hence the fading away. it was like erasing that moment or that year.

oh, i looked for the other question you asked me and no one i talked to knows the answer. i guess it was basically an assumption that Jasmine and the Beast were already linked together when the Beast crossed paths with Angelus.

oh, nothing is wrong w/ your PC Kal. My inbox was full which is why your PMs didnt go through. i cleared most of it now.....i have a tendency of forgeting to clear my k-site inbox.

[nexgod]

Remember to clear that pesky SEnt Box lol

Cordelia remembers as well :D

[Summers]

that's right she is the only one who isnt affected by it. i totally forgot about her(no pun intended).

[KALS SON]

lol ok summers i thought something was wrong with mine lol.

Also why would they want to help connor anyway i heard them saying he would put destruction to the world or somthing like that.

[Summers]

Originally posted by KALS SON
lol ok summers i thought something was wrong with mine lol.

Also why would they want to help connor anyway i heard them saying he would put destruction to the world or somthing like that.

Actually Conner was part of a prophecy to destory Sajhun(sp?). the guy who can go through time paradoxs, and Conner was part of a prophecy that would destory him. Sajhun wanted Conner out of the way, so he would be able to live. Hence, the reason behind the false prophecy that "the father will the son" Sajhun made up. The only reason why the senior partners helped Conner(or Angel for this matter) is because they needed Angel. He is the key figure in the W & H acoplaycse. since the beginning the W & H always had an agenda on Angel. to keep him alive so he will be part of their acaploysce. too bad the show ended too soon it would be interesting how the real series finale would have panned out.

[KALS SON]

There was really something wrong with connor in the last episode of season 4 i mean he look like he had nothing when he was talking to angel in the store he wanted to blow himself up man that was crazy he he.

[Summers]

yea, Conner basically lost all hope. I mean looked what happened to him since he was baby. All it has been was death and destruction. He was totally lost, and Angel knew that from when he witnessed Jasmine's death:

Angel: Jasmine's dead. (sits) Connor killed her. He's just...given up. I think he's gonna do something. You know, he might—

Conner lost the will to live in this world. to me it paralleled Buffy's own depression and not willing to live in season six. that's why it was so heartwarming when Angel gave Conner hope even if Angel has to scarfice.

[KALS SON]

Yea connor did make a good point when he said if you luv me then why did you let him take me (holtz) he means. I was like yea that was a good point he brung up if holtz had never taken him he probaly would have became a regular boy with super strength and speed.

[Summers]

yea, that's how i thought of Conner in season five. what if Holtz didnt taken him that's how he would turn out. well, probably not exactly, but he would be different.

[KALS SON]

I know he would want to kill angel and he will never luv his father so there really isn't any point for connor being here if he won't even luv his father even though angel is a vamp.

[Summers]

Conner is an excellent character to make twists. I remember there was an essay written that discussed Dawn and Conner by one college professour. He discussed what if senerios and new perspectives. Such as, what if Dawn wasnt put in the protection of Buffy? what would have happened? the same w/ Conner wasnt taken by Holtz. The author also stated something I never thought before, and that Dawn's precense allowed Buffy to recover. Why would Buffy want to live in this world in season six if almost everything she had was gone? Joyce died, Giles left, and her friends were dealing w/ their problems that she couldnt really help. and Dawn's precense gave Buffy a reason to come out of the depression.

think about it. it makes sense. majority of the time Buffy would always bring Dawn up when she was with Spike, and she got the job at the Doublemeat Palace so Dawn would be taken care of her, and wouldnt be taken away from her.

[KALS SON]

Yup yup i understand but man i have to give it out to VINCENT KARTHEISIR this kid is an excellent actor and hope he gets in more shows or movies.

[Summers]

i'm sure he will. Whedonverse actors are very versatile from drama, comedy, physical comedy, singing and dancing. i mean they have to do all sort of acting that many actors wouldnt be able to do in a tv show drama. and hence for all the actors improving each season, and i mean all of them from Buffy to Angel.