good news and bad news for Dollhouse

[hansioux]

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/10/fox-we-will-air-all-13-dollhouse-episodes.html
(http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/10/fox-we-will-air-all-13-dollhouse-episodes.html)

According to this article, all 13 episodes in production will be aired in order due to good DVR numbers. However, live rating means the likely hood of full 20+ episode season is unlikely. Season 3 right now seems unlikely too.

Well, gee thanks Fox...

[alexjones50]

this is good news i guess, considering the bad ratings this is the best we could hope for.

[RedPhoenix23]

Aww that's too bad. I'm really digging this show and the next ep with the invisible man (Darian Fawkes.. I mean Furious D... I mean Vincent Ventresca) looks even better.

[darkphoenix21]

I am optimistic that the remaing 10 episodes will give it the ratings boost it needs to get to a full season and a 3rd season. With the next episode (a week from Friday) it should start a trend of much better episodes. And than the following week Summer Glau makes her debut. She could bring in some viewers from T:SCC, that will hopefully stick around to see what other talents she has.

[nicmar]

The show has a few things going for it but probably more going against it. On the plus side ratings were up about 11% last week, also with numbers like that they are about what the Dollhouse was pulling in at the end of last season. Also Fox does not expect huge ratings form Firdays in general on a night with any real compitition Dollhouse would have been cancled last year.

On the downside the total numbers are still bad even by Friday standards with Dollhouse placing 3rd and 4th in it's timeslot. Also with the Baseball break some more casual viewers may forget about the show becasue fox really does not promote it.

[hansioux]

The show has a few things going for it but probably more going against it. On the plus side ratings were up about 11% last week, also with numbers like that they are about what the Dollhouse was pulling in at the end of last season. Also Fox does not expect huge ratings form Firdays in general on a night with any real compitition Dollhouse would have been cancled last year.

On the downside the total numbers are still bad even by Friday standards with Dollhouse placing 3rd and 4th in it's timeslot. Also with the Baseball break some more casual viewers may forget about the show becasue fox really does not promote it.

if Fox doesn't expect huge ratings from Friday, they wouldn't have canceled my TSCC v_v

[nicmar]

if Fox doesn't expect huge ratings from Friday, they wouldn't have canceled my TSCC v_v

The reason that TSCC was cancled and Dollhouse was saved despite similar ratings was because TSCC cost more money to make than Dollhouse, also Dollhouse was produced in house so Fox did not have to buy it from WB. Less viewers on a less expensive show still means more profit.

Here is an update to the original post http://www.aintitcool.com/node/42688 and it sounds like 13 shows will be the most we get but all 13 will air first a quote form a fox exec on Dollhouse

"We're going to run all the episodes. We're not saying we're happy with those numbers, or accept them, but we don't have to overreact. During [November] sweeps we might have to jack up the numbers a little [with other programming], but we plan on completing the order for this show."

when they say they are not happy with the numbers pubicly that is a problem and second a quote form Joss


"We'll definitely have closure, but will leave some doors open," said Whedon, who's currently shooting the eighth episode. "When we got our first numbers, which were bad, the first thing [Fox president of entertainment] Kevin Reilly said was, 'You'll have all 13,' which was great. They're not going to pull the rug out from under us."

[hansioux]

The reason that TSCC was cancled and Dollhouse was saved despite similar ratings was because TSCC cost more money to make than Dollhouse

not entirely.

http://scifiwire.com/2009/05/fox-execs-explain-why-the.php

Average Dollhouse episode cost around $650K to $1.3 million. TSCC cost 2.5 - 3 mil per episode. So TSCC pretty much cost twice as much as Dollhouse.

But TSCC averaged almost 5 mil even when the ratings were slipping. Dollhouse was always around 2 mil. Twice the money for twice the rating, seems to make sense. But since WB owns the rights to TSCC DVDs, the sweet DVD money doesn't trickle to FOX. Thus making TSCC less profitable.

[nicmar]

I don't know were you got that number TSCC did not see 5million after it's move to friday here is achart someone did in the Sara Conner thread for the Friday night ratings http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124204


4/3 3.35 - Adam Raised a Cain
3/27 3.87 - To the Lighthouse
3/20 3.65 - Today is the Day, pt.2
3/13 3.53 - Today is the Day, pt.1
3/6 3.00 - Ourselves Alone
2/27 3.42 - Some Must Watch, While Some Must Sleep (Sarah nightmares/delusions episode)
2/20 3.84 - Desert Cantos
2/13 3.71 - The Good Wound (first time it was on a Fri Night)

now relitive to Dollhouse http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/797107202 the series finale for TSCC did 3.56million which was exactly the same as Dollhouse and another comparison that from tv by the numbers

"Elsewhere, Fox remained out of the competitive loop with Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Viewers: #3, 3.83 million; A18-49: #3, 1.3/ 5) and Dollhouse (Viewers: #4, 3.87 million; A18-49: #3, 1.3/ 4), which did increase from Sarah Connor as it normally does"
Dollhouse had more viewers that week.

[hansioux]

I don't know were you got that number TSCC did not see 5million after it's move to friday here is achart someone did in the Sara Conner thread for the Friday night ratings http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124204


4/3 3.35 - Adam Raised a Cain
3/27 3.87 - To the Lighthouse
3/20 3.65 - Today is the Day, pt.2
3/13 3.53 - Today is the Day, pt.1
3/6 3.00 - Ourselves Alone
2/27 3.42 - Some Must Watch, While Some Must Sleep (Sarah nightmares/delusions episode)
2/20 3.84 - Desert Cantos
2/13 3.71 - The Good Wound (first time it was on a Fri Night)

now relitive to Dollhouse http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/797107202 the series finale for TSCC did 3.56million which was exactly the same as Dollhouse and another comparison that from tv by the numbers

"Elsewhere, Fox remained out of the competitive loop with Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles (Viewers: #3, 3.83 million; A18-49: #3, 1.3/ 5) and Dollhouse (Viewers: #4, 3.87 million; A18-49: #3, 1.3/ 4), which did increase from Sarah Connor as it normally does"
Dollhouse had more viewers that week.

Check Dollhouse ratings that season after TSCC ended.

TSCC was on 8 o'clock friday. By 9 there are more people at home after the night out. I think had TSCC and Dollhouse been moved to 9 and 10, they might receive better numbers last year.

I want Dollhouse to do well. I am not a Dollhouse hater just because TSCC got canceled. But Dollhouse did benefit from TSCC opening for it.

[nicmar]

First I was a big fan of Terminator so I would not I wanted nothing but the best for it and I'm not saying that it didn't benifit Dollhouse because it was a sci fi night all I am saying is that TSCC did not pull 5million on friday, and at the time when TSCC went off the air they were pulling similar numbers. The fact is that Terminator did as you said cost almost twice the money but at the time when it went off the air it did not pull in double the ratings even with Dollhouse at 2mil or even a little under. Given that it's why I beleve that the profitablity was taken into account.

[hansioux]

First I was a big fan of Terminator so I would not I wanted nothing but the best for it and I'm not saying that it didn't benifit Dollhouse because it was a sci fi night all I am saying is that TSCC did not pull 5million on friday, and at the time when TSCC went off the air they were pulling similar numbers. The fact is that Terminator did as you said cost almost twice the money but at the time when it went off the air it did not pull in double the ratings even with Dollhouse at 2mil or even a little under. Given that it's why I beleve that the profitablity was taken into account.

5 mil was referring to average rating as I said "averaged". Though the numbers you gave were different from what I saw.

Terminator: Sarah Connor Chronicles
8:00 p.m. V: 3.76 m, A18-49: 1.4/ 5
8:30 p.m. V: 3.37 m, A18-49: 1.2/ 4

Dollhouse
9:00 p.m. V: 3.63 m, A18-49: 1.4/ 5
9:30 p.m. V: 3.49 m, A18-49: 1.3/ 4

What I find interesting is that those episodes where people complained the most on TSCC happenedto have the highest ratings. 3.84 - Desert Cantos is probably the episode that people trashed.

And one of the best TSCC episodes ever, Ourselves Alone only had 3.00....

[Hopefulsuicide]

TBH I don't mind which way this goes, and I get that feeling from Joss as well.

He got to tell his story, and whether he gets to tell the long version or the short version doesn't matter too much, because the message is still the same. As far as I'm concerned as long as every episode is quality, I don't care how many of them we get.

And I thought It was only going to be 13 episodes this season no matter what?! :confused:

[nicmar]

TBH I don't mind which way this goes, and I get that feeling from Joss as well.

He got to tell his story, and whether he gets to tell the long version or the short version doesn't matter too much, because the message is still the same. As far as I'm concerned as long as every episode is quality, I don't care how many of them we get.

And I thought It was only going to be 13 episodes this season no matter what?! :confused:

there was always a chance for a back end pick up the network can always order more shows if they want. I will wait and see as HBO, FX and others have showed us a great story can be told in 13 episodes so if that what we get I will be relitivily happy

[kernel_thai]

I think 5 million was the number with dvr and downloads added in. I believe Dollhouse got about the same bump from time shifted viewing so they still would be about the same. Course I remember reading tons of different numbers so I could be miss remembering.

I dont put a lot of faith in numbers anyway. Like most statistics, ratings numbers can mean a lot of different things. If Dollhouse was number one in its time slot but got lousy ratings it might mean something. If Dollhouse were among the highest rated programs in its genre it would mean something. The point is not a lot of people watch Dollhouse. The point of being on network tv is to sell commercial time which lots of people would watch. There is gonna come a time when shows like Dollhouse and T:SCC dont exist on network tv simply because their natural audience isnt there any more.

[A Flawed Fashion]

This show had so much potential. Sometimes I love it, but mostly I'm just sad that I'm not sad over the fact that it is pretty seriously facing cancellation. It just isn't as good as it could be.

I love the idea of the show and Joss, so I don't know why it is only an average show. It should be great.

[RedPhoenix23]

Why wasn't Dollhouse on last week? All I had in my area was crappy news. What a dumb way to promote a show with spradic airings of new eps. :(

[devilneedsaride]

I have to say, I'm pretty darn tickled by:

"If you cancel it, you're an *******; if you renew it and then don't put it back on, you're an *******," he said. "I'm still paying for 'Terminator.' 'Dollhouse' has a small rabid fan base that in the world of social media seems bigger than it is. We gave them another season knowing full well we were going to burn in hell if we pulled it."

And here we all thought they were blatantly ignoring us. They're straight up saying that they're airing the full 13 episodes because they know us Whedonites will have their brains for dinner if they don't. Fantastic.

[Clois4eva89]

I have to say i'm not surprised by this Fox is great with the news,but when it comes to tv shows.They can't seem to keep a show going for more than 2 years i've already lost interest in the show.

[Bat-Mite]

I never really could get into this show

something just sailed off in the wrong direction from day one

[Waycap13]

I am deeply sorry to see this great show go. There's more story to be told that will be left hanging. This is to Joss WHedon get this show back on air and switch stations if necessary to like The CW or Sci-Fi where there is less rules and regulations involved plus more things would be possible. My reason for canceling...A return of 24 in it's lengthy run plus the highly anticipated and 20x multi-rated American Idol, in which the airing takes of 3 time slots in the beginning and two towards the 'Top Ten' rounds. Elimination of some small rated shows will free up the time. I also heard that Lie To Me was being considered on the 13 eps. fate along with the Dollhouse decision but most likely not canceled. If we don't already have enough cop action dramas. Thanks FOX. P.S. Please, don't lose any other great shows FOX.

[cousteau]

The thing is...With it being fox, is anyone truly surprised by this news?

[A Flawed Fashion]

The thing is...With it being fox, is anyone truly surprised by this news?

I'd be more surprised to find that someone was surprised by this news than the show being cancelled.

It was pretty inevitable.