Chris and Josh's stupid INSECURITY...

[Kryptonian250]

They said somewhere that if Chuck and Sarah get together then the show is over....WHAT?!!!

Are they dumb, over in Smallville it took only two seasons for Clark and Lana to get together and 5 seasons for them to finally have sex. They lost their virginity to each other and Lana is the only woman he has ever had sex with which is even more stupid.

The writers in SV couldn't wait to get them together then break them up then back together like a huge rollercaster.

If the show lasts 3 more years and there not together by then constantly with these ridiculous triangles that Josh is known for then the show will end. When are they finally going to do it, in Season 6? Are they finally going to get together in the series finale?

Well Josh and Chris, your show is going to end if your still toying with the viewers in 3 years.

If Chuck and Sarah get together that will pave way for some storylines. Hell fanfiction has better storylines for Chuck than those writers can come up with.

[Kal_El=Clark]

They said somewhere that if Chuck and Sarah get together then the show is over....WHAT?!!!

Are they dumb, over in Smallville it took only two seasons for Clark and Lana to get together and 5 seasons for them to finally have sex. They lost their virginity to each other and Lana is the only woman he has ever had sex with which is even more stupid.

The writers in SV couldn't wait to get them together then break them up then back together like a huge rollercaster.

If the show lasts 3 more years and there not together by then constantly with these ridiculous triangles that Josh is known for then the show will end. When are they finally going to do it, in Season 6? Are they finally going to get together in the series finale?

Well Josh and Chris, your show is going to end if your still toying with the viewers in 3 years.

If Chuck and Sarah get together that will pave way for some storylines. Hell fanfiction has better storylines for Chuck than those writers can come up with.

like i have posted a ton of time in all kind of shows and especially the way this one is going if they wouldn't have started the small jokes and the looks and kisses here and there between Sarah and Chuck then they could of done that take longer to get together. but the thing is they started this flirty stuff in season 1 of the show and in season 2 it was a bunch of going back and fourth between them and bringing in all these other love interests for Chuck and Sarah. now this kind of stuff gets boring real quick if you were to ask me. for example when they brought in Chucks ex i can guarantee that most people could almost all guess how it was gonna end there is only so many and only so much of the back and fourth that can go on and that viewer can take. and last its cracks me up when i hear " oh the show would be over if they get together" that's a bunch of Bull Crapo............. just they way they did 2 years of he/she loves me or loves me not. they can do a couple of hey we are together now.... stories can be made up for the show with couples in it with no problems.

[superhippie2000]

i think they just wont get together till the end because they cant have a real relationship now. im sure they will try but its kind of hard to have a relationship when your spending 24 hours a day avoiding bullets and homicidal ninjas.

[Kryptonian250]

Yeah well if that happens then this show is over because the viewers will have enough of this love triangle crap that these two morons keep putting there.

Its getting old just like the Clana got old over in SV. People hated it including Tom Welling who had enough of that Clana crap.

[Kal_El=Clark]

i think they just wont get together till the end because they cant have a real relationship now. im sure they will try but its kind of hard to have a relationship when your spending 24 hours a day avoiding bullets and homicidal ninjas.


well how about the Brice and Sarah thing they definitely had a serious relation between themselves. the excuse can be cause of the reason that there dodging bullets they cant be together.

that would be like saying Lois & Clark cant be together because she will be in constant fear that she will be killed cause of what she knows.

[Kryptonian250]

well how about the Brice and Sarah thing they definitely had a serious relation between themselves. the excuse can be cause of the reason that there dodging bullets they cant be together.

that would be like saying Lois & Clark cant be together because she will be in constant fear that she will be killed cause of what she knows.

Chris and Josh should get fired, get some new writers onto the show. There boring love triangles will end the show not Chuck and Sarah getting together.

[Daddylion]

well how about the Brice and Sarah thing they definitely had a serious relation between themselves. the excuse can be cause of the reason that there dodging bullets they cant be together.

that would be like saying Lois & Clark cant be together because she will be in constant fear that she will be killed cause of what she knows.

Lois & Clark isn't exactly the best example, i mean, wasn't the show over after they were married?

Though I think the clone thing in s3 might have pi$$ed people off more.

But yeah,Bryce and Sarah were together... And if it's cause they feel Chuck can't defend himself like Bryce... well here's a question. How come nobody EVER bothered to even try to teach him at least a bit of self defence?

(Edited: just saw the spoilers... good to know they're finally realizing that they can at least try not to have him be the damsel in distress all the time.)

Of course, i think Josh needs to take a page out of what he's doing with Gossip Girl. Chuck and Blair were back and fourth in season 2, and it became a pairing I can't stand. Now that they're together in s3, they're just adorable and I'm loving them again. Hopefully, that happening in GG might pave the way for it happeneing on Chuck.

[Kryptonian250]

Daddylion, I like your Hello Kitty CASTIEL. Chris and Josh have to stop these BS before the show is surely cancelled. There are so many times you can toy with the viewers before your show is screwed.

[Daddylion]

hehe thanks. I made a whole bunch of them here (http://hollywood-r-bin.livejournal.com/59667.html).

And yes, i agree with you. Like i mentioned with the Lois & Clark. They kept teasing the audiance, finally saying there's gonna be a wedding in season 3 and then suddenly having a clone be there instead and then Lois' amnesia... there's only so much the audiance can take before they're too annoyed to watch.

Of course, with a show like Chuck, i'll probably never stop watching. I might get annoyed with the romance, but i still like the plotline beyond the romance, and the comedy. If it gets really bad i'll just fast forward like i did with Rachel/Ross scenes on Friends... now THAT was one hell of a yo-yo... It lasted 10 years!

[Kryptonian250]

Yep, there threading on thin ice, they better not make us the fans regret putting effort in saving Chuck.

[Kal_El=Clark]

Lois & Clark isn't exactly the best example, i mean, wasn't the show over after they were married?

Though I think the clone thing in s3 might have pi$$ed people off more.

But yeah,Bryce and Sarah were together... And if it's cause they feel Chuck can't defend himself like Bryce... well here's a question. How come nobody EVER bothered to even try to teach him at least a bit of self defence?

(Edited: just saw the spoilers... good to know they're finally realizing that they can at least try not to have him be the damsel in distress all the time.)

Of course, i think Josh needs to take a page out of what he's doing with Gossip Girl. Chuck and Blair were back and fourth in season 2, and it became a pairing I can't stand. Now that they're together in s3, they're just adorable and I'm loving them again. Hopefully, that happening in GG might pave the way for it happeneing on Chuck.

well sorry i didnt explain it that great but i meant to say Lois & Clark on the SV show.... tptb even went out to say that if Lois & Clark get together on the show that the show will be over and that it would be a rerun of the advetures of Lois & Clark..... just like there doing here that if Sarah & Chuck are together the show will be over.... man so much for creative thinking these days in writing a show.................

[Kryptonian250]

They can come up with new storylines if there together like maybe she's pregnant with his kid and there child is in danger because he can do much more than Chuck.

[Daddylion]

well sorry i didnt explain it that great but i meant to say Lois & Clark on the SV show.... tptb even went out to say that if Lois & Clark get together on the show that the show will be over and that it would be a rerun of the advetures of Lois & Clark..... just like there doing here that if Sarah & Chuck are together the show will be over.... man so much for creative thinking these days in writing a show.................

Right hehe, i hear Lois & Clark, i think the 1990's show... for on Smallville, I say clois. or SVclois if other versions are being discussed too.

Also, just because we have lois and clark together, that won't make SV, Lois & Clark... IMO they are two very different versions of Superman (and i love them both). L&C is a romantic comedy where all plotlines revolve around a single romance, and the focus is more or less on two characters and other characters just kinda surround them, and all the villians are comical, it's stylistically more like a funny cartoon because that part isn't as important as the romance. Smallville might be very heavily focused on romance (which i don't always like) but the adventure part of the show is actually taken seriously. It doesn't rely solely on the romance like L&C does.

And with Chuck, the show itself is also not relying solely on the main romance pairing. I really like Chuck and Sarah, but there are other things too, and if they do get together, those things can come into play with the dynamic of them as a couple as well.

I'm not for your proposed baby idea though.

[Kryptonian250]

Well a Charah baby would boost ratings like crazy.

[Daddylion]

Yeah well, I was thinking in the long run it might be problamatic. Makes me think of Angel, and them having to put Connor in hell, just so they can have a teenager on.

And in the short run, this show might not last, and a baby is 9 months, practically a large part of a whole season will end up being devoted to issues involving the baby, or at least all storylines written will all have to have the baby kept in mind. And if they have a couple of seasons more time can be devoted to all that, but as it is, the show might not have another season and I'd rather not have a large chunk of that on baby issues.

And also... how can the child do more than Chuck, if he's only a baby? Unless, the show can actually skip a few years or something... I mean, how can they know he's special? Some sort of test? Someone anticipated it? The abilities to contain the intersect might be hereditary but the intersect itself? that might be pushing it.

[Kryptonian250]

Some people have speculated.

[big yellow taxi]

Chris and Josh should get fired, get some new writers onto the show. There boring love triangles will end the show not Chuck and Sarah getting together.

Now, this may just be my paranoia acting up on me, but I'm getting the feeling that you aren't the writers' number one fan. Am I wrong? Lol.

The problem is, I feel, that -as some people have pointed out- they made the Chuck/Sarah love story the main driving force of the show from day 1. This meant that they tackled growing affection/other love interests/jealousy/realisation of feelings etc in the short span of Season 1, which was fine and dandy as it was a natural progression, but when it came around to Season 2 they had 22 episodes of these characters already being in love with each other and openly admitting it to everyone (except each other, of course *rolls eyes*) and then they hit a wall because they're not supposed to be together yet. Oh dear.

So in an attempt to shake it up, they've fallen back on the old plays -love triangles etc- which nobody finds remotely interesting or believable now (Cole Barker? I mean, seriously?) Maybe if the other plotlines in the show were a bit stronger they could get away with just leaving the love story as it is for a while without the show getting dull, but they rely on it. For example, Captain Awesome wasn't really meant to be a regular, so they could have brought in love interests for Ellie. The other thing is that they've stereotyped a lot of the other MANY regular characters and don't seem to want to overly develop them - crazy.

In saying all of that, I do love the show very much and agree that in putting them in a relationship, it would lose an appealing aspect. But they've got to do it, otherwise it won't make sense! Yes, Season 3 may give them a few excuses (Sarah's mad that Chuck is still the Intersect, Chuck wants to be a spy etc) but in order to keep the show progressing and the fans… still fans, they need to be together now. I don't see what the big deal is; I'd personally find watching them go through normal relationship/intimacy struggles much more entertaining than them going back to pretending they don't love each other and chasing after other random hotties.

Phew! Sorry about the length of that. I tend to rant on this subject.

[Kryptonian250]

Now, this may just be my paranoia acting up on me, but I'm getting the feeling that you aren't the writers' number one fan. Am I wrong? Lol.

The problem is, I feel, that -as some people have pointed out- they made the Chuck/Sarah love story the main driving force of the show from day 1. This meant that they tackled growing affection/other love interests/jealousy/realisation of feelings etc in the short span of Season 1, which was fine and dandy as it was a natural progression, but when it came around to Season 2 they had 22 episodes of these characters already being in love with each other and openly admitting it to everyone (except each other, of course *rolls eyes*) and then they hit a wall because they're not supposed to be together yet. Oh dear.

So in an attempt to shake it up, they've fallen back on the old plays -love triangles etc- which nobody finds remotely interesting or believable now (Cole Barker? I mean, seriously?) Maybe if the other plotlines in the show were a bit stronger they could get away with just leaving the love story as it is for a while without the show getting dull, but they rely on it. For example, Captain Awesome wasn't really meant to be a regular, so they could have brought in love interests for Ellie. The other thing is that they've stereotyped a lot of the other MANY regular characters and don't seem to want to overly develop them - crazy.

In saying all of that, I do love the show very much and agree that in putting them in a relationship, it would lose an appealing aspect. But they've got to do it, otherwise it won't make sense! Yes, Season 3 may give them a few excuses (Sarah's mad that Chuck is still the Intersect, Chuck wants to be a spy etc) but in order to keep the show progressing and the fans… still fans, they need to be together now. I don't see what the big deal is; I'd personally find watching them go through normal relationship/intimacy struggles much more entertaining than them going back to pretending they don't love each other and chasing after other random hotties.

Phew! Sorry about the length of that. I tend to rant on this subject.

I'm not a fan of theirs but if they do something that makes me smile. I'll kiss their feet.:lol:

I do agree and you read my mind. Nobody finds these love interests remotely interesting or fun there boring and stupid. Cole Barker even if Sarah did ditch Chuck for that British playboy, he would dump her after a year then she'd go back pleading for Chuck's forgiveness.:mad:

With Sarah, she turns into jelly when a new love interest comes on like Cole, she forgets about Chuck and like Casey said She falls for anyone whom she works with. No one is gonna take her seriously. Yvonne said that no one likes Sarah and she should get a love interest. That was Season 1 but were not going to like her more if she becomes an airhead when this macho man comes on. Chuck already knew Jill and he only kissed Lou several times.

[big yellow taxi]

With Sarah, she turns into jelly when a new love interest comes on like Cole, she forgets about Chuck and like Casey said She falls for anyone whom she works with. No one is gonna take her seriously.

I have to say that I have thought this before, however, to be fair, if you think about it Chuck and Sarah have had the same amount of love interests so far: the big ex and the random hottie, it's just that Chuck's came at a time that made sense i.e. when he thought that Sarah didn't care and that a relationship was out of the question, which is why we can forgive him but not Sarah.

So, overall, I completely agree with you in the way that giving them more love interests at this point in their relationship seems incredibly stupid and annoying, but I think we've just got to trust that the writers know what they're doing. I'm sure they're aware that if they disrespect the love story too much, they'll upset the fans. So they won't.

Season 3 will be fantastic! ............*crosses fingers*

[Kryptonian250]

He knew Jill and she only met Shaw, that's stupid.

[Daddylion]

Now, this may just be my paranoia acting up on me, but I'm getting the feeling that you aren't the writers' number one fan. Am I wrong? Lol.

The problem is, I feel, that -as some people have pointed out- they made the Chuck/Sarah love story the main driving force of the show from day 1. This meant that they tackled growing affection/other love interests/jealousy/realisation of feelings etc in the short span of Season 1, which was fine and dandy as it was a natural progression, but when it came around to Season 2 they had 22 episodes of these characters already being in love with each other and openly admitting it to everyone (except each other, of course *rolls eyes*) and then they hit a wall because they're not supposed to be together yet. Oh dear.

So in an attempt to shake it up, they've fallen back on the old plays -love triangles etc- which nobody finds remotely interesting or believable now (Cole Barker? I mean, seriously?) Maybe if the other plotlines in the show were a bit stronger they could get away with just leaving the love story as it is for a while without the show getting dull, but they rely on it. For example, Captain Awesome wasn't really meant to be a regular, so they could have brought in love interests for Ellie. The other thing is that they've stereotyped a lot of the other MANY regular characters and don't seem to want to overly develop them - crazy.

In saying all of that, I do love the show very much and agree that in putting them in a relationship, it would lose an appealing aspect. But they've got to do it, otherwise it won't make sense! Yes, Season 3 may give them a few excuses (Sarah's mad that Chuck is still the Intersect, Chuck wants to be a spy etc) but in order to keep the show progressing and the fans… still fans, they need to be together now. I don't see what the big deal is; I'd personally find watching them go through normal relationship/intimacy struggles much more entertaining than them going back to pretending they don't love each other and chasing after other random hotties.

Phew! Sorry about the length of that. I tend to rant on this subject.

Well, Josh Schwartz has a big fan right here (From The OC to Gossip Girl to Chuck)... I may not be into love triangles, but I for one do not watch the show for the romance. To me Chuck and Sarah are totally secondary and when i watch I focus more on other storylines like with Orion and the intersect and also the awesome comedy. I'm a lot more interested in next season because of the new intersect than I am of anything that goes on between the couple (to be honest, I'm actually way more interested in seeing more of Captain Awesome now that he knows Chuck's secret than anything that can happen between Sarah and Chuck... you know, unless they move the show to HBO and have a nude scene) which is why no matter what happens between Chuck and Sarah I'll keep watching and if it gets really bad, I'll do like i do on Smallville... fast forward.

I do however agree with you that Chuck and Sarah progressed too fast in season 1 for them to not be together by season 2 or 3. That said, I personally didn't mind Lou or Jill, I like them both as characters even though i don't like the love triangles themselves... I didn't mind Bryce either (but then every time i watch Bryce I get the feeling he's more in love with Chuck than Sarah [in his own twisted way], but is so deep in the closet he's reaching Narnia)... Only one I didn't like was Cole. I would like it if the other storylines in the show were stronger though.

And like i said, I'd love to see more of Captain Awesome. I'm really glad he became a regular as opposed to the enemy spy they planned him to be initially.

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So, overall, I completely agree with you in the way that giving them more love interests at this point in their relationship seems incredibly stupid and annoying, but I think we've just got to trust that the writers know what they're doing. I'm sure they're aware that if they disrespect the love story too much, they'll upset the fans. So they won't.

Season 3 will be fantastic! ............*crosses fingers*

Yeah *fingers crossed too*

[Kryptonian250]

Josh and Chris better deliver or else...I'd say pull out of the show.

[big yellow taxi]

Well, Josh Schwartz has a big fan right here (From The OC to Gossip Girl to Chuck)... I may not be into love triangles, but I for one do not watch the show for the romance. To me Chuck and Sarah are totally secondary and when i watch I focus more on other storylines like with Orion and the intersect and also the awesome comedy. I'm a lot more interested in next season because of the new intersect than I am of anything that goes on between the couple (to be honest, I'm actually way more interested in seeing more of Captain Awesome now that he knows Chuck's secret than anything that can happen between Sarah and Chuck... you know, unless they move the show to HBO and have a nude scene) which is why no matter what happens between Chuck and Sarah I'll keep watching and if it gets really bad, I'll do like i do on Smallville... fast forward.

I do however agree with you that Chuck and Sarah progressed too fast in season 1 for them to not be together by season 2 or 3. That said, I personally didn't mind Lou or Jill, I like them both as characters even though i don't like the love triangles themselves... I didn't mind Bryce either (but then every time i watch Bryce I get the feeling he's more in love with Chuck than Sarah [in his own twisted way], but is so deep in the closet he's reaching Narnia)... Only one I didn't like was Cole. I would like it if the other storylines in the show were stronger though.

And like i said, I'd love to see more of Captain Awesome. I'm really glad he became a regular as opposed to the enemy spy they planned him to be initially.

I feel really bad because I sounded like I hate all other parts of the show! Obviously I too love the Intersect bits and the humour (especially Casey's humour) but for me it was the love story that got me hooked. I think I felt like this was my favourite part in Season 2 because I got a bit sick of Chuck whining about not having his normal life -IMO Season 2 would have been better with less episodes- but Season 3 looks to change all of that. As you said, the new Intersect is going to make things a whole lot more interesting and I too can't wait to see Captain Awesome get mixed up in spy world. He's going to be great this year.

Also, about the fast-forward comment: I do that too! I can't tell you how many times I've thought how happy I am that I only started watching Friends after it finished. And I only started watching Smallville after Season 4.

And yes, I totally get what you mean by Bryce loving Chuck more than Sarah. I don't think he really loved Sarah, to be honest, but I was pretty sad when he died. I can't say I liked Lou, but she served a purpose, as did Jill. But I absolutely hated Cole Barker and have said so many times on these things. Sorry.

Glad someone agrees they need stronger secondary storylines.

[Kryptonian250]

Chuck was like the brother Bryce never had. Nah, Bryce never really loved Sarah and vice versa maybe it was just a fling.

We need Mama Bartowski to complete Chuck's destiny.

[Daddylion]

I feel really bad because I sounded like I hate all other parts of the show! Obviously I too love the Intersect bits and the humour (especially Casey's humour) but for me it was the love story that got me hooked. I think I felt like this was my favourite part in Season 2 because I got a bit sick of Chuck whining about not having his normal life -IMO Season 2 would have been better with less episodes- but Season 3 looks to change all of that. As you said, the new Intersect is going to make things a whole lot more interesting and I too can't wait to see Captain Awesome get mixed up in spy world. He's going to be great this year.

Also, about the fast-forward comment: I do that too! I can't tell you how many times I've thought how happy I am that I only started watching Friends after it finished. And I only started watching Smallville after Season 4.

And yes, I totally get what you mean by Bryce loving Chuck more than Sarah. I don't think he really loved Sarah, to be honest, but I was pretty sad when he died. I can't say I liked Lou, but she served a purpose, as did Jill. But I absolutely hated Cole Barker and have said so many times on these things. Sorry.

Glad someone agrees they need stronger secondary storylines.

You don't sound like that. I guess it's different with everyone though, I mean the romance certainly wasn't what drew me to the show... In fact, if someone were to ask for my favourite ship, it wouldn't even be Chuck/Sarah, but actually Chuck/Sarah/Casey... They're my OT3. I kinda want all of them together :p Poor Casey, always left behind.

Anyway, when it comes to romance, on most shows if the main one gets bad I focus on ones i can find on fics anyway so I guess whatever happens with Chuck/Sarah effects me a lot less than most people. Like i said, I'm hooked on the show for other reasons... In fact, with all of Josh's shows, I've always been drawn to the show more cause of the dialogue than anything else. I like the sense of humour and style of his shows, and though romance seem to be the thing that's supposed to draw people in the most about more or less all of his shows, it's not that way with me.

I get what you're saying though. Chuck is a show that has a whole lot more to offer than romance, but like Smallville, both the writers and the audiance seem to be focused more on that than any other aspect.

I agree with you about season 2, there were two many episodes there. It would have been better if it was shorter and there wouldn't have been so many love triangles and back and fourthness. And also, hehe, for me, 'I want to be normal' angst and 'OMG! we can't be together, but oh I want to, but oh we can't etc.' angst is the leading cause of fast forwarding for me.

Lol right... Well, I'm a Smallville veteran... and a Friends one too. But I HATE Ross/Rachel.

I didn't like that Bryce died either, even if he annoyed me at many points in the story. But yeah, his relationship with Sarah to me didn't feel quite real, unlike his relationship with Chuck.

As for Lou... it was the sandwitch talk hehe. I just loved that they flirted in sandwitch... And also, it was Rachel Bilson, whom I was into in The OC.

For some reason, i feel like when it's a love triangle, the one where someone wants Chuck is better than the one where someone wants Sarah. It just feels more real with Chuck, the way his personality fits with Lou or with Jill. With Sarah, they just kinda feel like the James Bond beefcake whatever... Even with Bryce. I didn't feel like there was really anything there.

[Kryptonian250]

Bryce liked Chuck but acted on Steve's orders.

[Loisistheone]

I keep hearing that writers from shows don't want the main couple getting together as that would end the show? Never bought into that. It's just a shear lack of imagination from the writers.
I can imagine in SV's version of Clois that their banter would just get better and have a wider topic range. For me it would make them more interesting to watch. The same goes for Chuck and Sarah, a whole range of topics and situations would pop up. ie. They would have to keep their relationship secret from the the powers that be and the spy secret to be kept from civilians.

[Kryptonian250]

I keep hearing that writers from shows don't want the main couple getting together as that would end the show? Never bought into that. It's just a shear lack of imagination from the writers.
I can imagine in SV's version of Clois that their banter would just get better and have a wider topic range. For me it would make them more interesting to watch. The same goes for Chuck and Sarah, a whole range of topics and situations would pop up. ie. They would have to keep their relationship secret from the the powers that be and the spy secret to be kept from civilians.

Exactly. Its lack of imagination, getting them together would bring out fresh ideas and the sort.

God there going to make us regret fighting for the show if they continue with the same stupid crap like love triangles. I swear they would write better for a soap opera.

[smallvillefun13]

holly CR@P do NOT cancel CHUCK and let them SLEEP together but show the scene to the public :lol:

[PHOENIXZERO]

This topic is nearly a year old.... And they are together now so the whole point is moot.