"Tomorrow is the Day You Die"

[kal_11]

He was thinking that perhaps this phrase that Rokk said was not to warn him that he would die to hands of Doomsday, but of another villain, as Zod.

Since we saw that him cost nothing to kill Doomsday, and that thing about I chirped to that Lois uses the ring of Legion to save Clark of his death to hands of Zod, but the price to pay would be Chloe's death.

What do they think about this phrase?

[Sports72Xtrm]

Huh interesting. Good catch. I forgot about Rokk. If Rokk came back, doesn't he come back to change something so that Clark isn't the one to die and he specifically said it was at Doomsday's hand. But he didn't do anything. He just warned Clark. How is it that Clark doesn't die in the finale?

[KryptoKnight]

Another possibility is that Clark saw Rokk's warning as a piece of advice instead.

[neoblackdragon]

I don't think its that complicated. "Tomorrow" had come and went(the funeral probably didnt take place the same day). Doomsday kills Clark in the fight(maybe they kill each other). Cosmic Boy tells Clark to send Doomsday to the future so they can take him out. Clark comes up with an alternate plan. Most likely in the previous version Clark takes on Doomsday head on and dies in the fight. Here he traps Doomsday in the ground due to a warning from the legion. Doomsday isnt dead but he is imprisoned for now.

[roccanater]

Yeah, that was crazy.

[Sports72Xtrm]

I figured it out. Rokk brought back the Legion Ring and Lois goes back in time and Clark was mysteriously saved from the Geothermal explosion. It does make sense I guess.:o

[strmbldr317]

Someone probably mentioned this in another thread or perhaps everyone's so pissed about the way Jimmy Olsen was written out of the show (insipidly stupid and WRONG btw) but initially when Rokk tells Clark that "tomorrow is the day you die", he wasn't talking about Doomsday defeating Clark.

It was in reference to Clark's decision to completely embrace his Kryptonian side and declare that Clark Kent is dead. Interesting how he said that exact line four seasons ago in "Crusade", the season 4 premiere.

I'm interested to see what Season 9 is gonna be all about and whether they're prepping a Watchtower spin-off with the Justice League.

[rconner]

I wonder if Rokk misinterpretted history when he told Kal-El that tomorrow is the day you Die? How at the end Kal-El told Chloe "Clark Kent is Dead". Maybe History hasn't changed yet....

[Anu]

Maybe he meant that Clark Kent dies. Which he did. Now it's all Kal - El.

[SnowBird]

Clark Kent has now gone a different way on a dark path. This is not the mentality of Superman so as long as he is on this path he will not be in the future 1,000 years as Superman, therefore, he is dead to the Legion.

Did Rokk mean a physical death or a psychological death? He didn't really make himself clear.

I don't know if my theory is right or not, but there you go.

[EarlTheEradicator]

actually snowbird i think you are right for in the future humans and aliens live in peace together. Im guessing that we will see the legion again in season 9. However rokk did mention he may not have a future to go home to.

[SnowBird]

actually snowbird i think you are right for in the future humans and aliens live in peace together. Im guessing that we will see the legion again in season 9. However rokk did mention he may not have a future to go home to.

Come to think about it, I don't think Superman is in the future 1,000 years, so your theory would be right. No Superman, no future as Rokk knows it to go home to.

[dru-zod2501]

Clark Kent has now gone a different way on a dark path. This is not the mentality of Superman so as long as he is on this path he will not be in the future 1,000 years as Superman, therefore, he is dead to the Legion.

Did Rokk mean a physical death or a psychological death? He didn't really make himself clear.

I don't know if my theory is right or not, but there you go.
but If the "Clark Kent" personality dies, and that means there's no Superman in the future, wouldn't there still be some evidence of Kal-El's influence on history? From Rokk's description it sounds like Kal isnt in the timeline after that point to me that implies a physical death

[jpfort1957]

The fact that Rokk came back and warned Clark created a new time line. This time, he had a short time to make a game plan. Lois slipped on the Legion ring and disappeared. Without a dout.....that ring was preprogramed to take the person and whoever they were holding, to where Rokk and the Legion were waiting to take care of Doomsday.

[Tompouce]

To me Rokk meant Superman/Clark died because of his fight with DD but physically. And at the end, to me, the "Clark Kent is dead" remains a metaphoric idea. Clak will come back as we know him for so long, he will just be more mature. Clark Kent is not dead. I think he said that because something died inside him. His pure belief in mankind at the moment, doesn't exist anymore. But it will come back. Clark needs to make a kind of own face to face to know what he feels exactly and what he wants to do with all these emotions. He is not dead, I don't believe it

[Exedore]

It is possible that Clark actually did die in the fight and it was the Eradicator we saw in the end. That would go a long way in redeeming this horrible finale.

[SnowBird]

but If the "Clark Kent" personality dies, and that means there's no Superman in the future, wouldn't there still be some evidence of Kal-El's influence on history? From Rokk's description it sounds like Kal isnt in the timeline after that point to me that implies a physical death

Dealing with changes because of time travel can sure get confusing...LOL...Yes, I think Kal-El will have a short history but it won't be with the Legion since Superman as they knew him doesn't exist in history. Clark will have to get back on track accepting humanity as a part of himself and then Clark Kent/Superman will again be the man the Legion knows in history.

Did I make sense? Sounds wierd even to me.

[Tompouce]

It makes sense. No problem. And anyway, DD didn't kill him so it is not what Rokk was saying. The future has already changed as the death of Clark is now metaphorical. In the future, he exists, no one killed him.

[Cage]

Huh interesting. Good catch. I forgot about Rokk. If Rokk came back, doesn't he come back to change something so that Clark isn't the one to die and he specifically said it was at Doomsday's hand. But he didn't do anything. He just warned Clark. How is it that Clark doesn't die in the finale?

What makes you think he didn't ?!!:confused::confused:

[SnowBird]

It makes sense. No problem. And anyway, DD didn't kill him so it is not what Rokk was saying. The future has already changed as the death of Clark is now metaphorical. In the future, he exists, no one killed him.

No, I don't think he died a physical death.

[Tompouce]

You mean you think Rokk was talking about "no Superman" because Clark left and changed his identity forever ? I really think he meant a physical death but now that we speak about it, if the "CK is dead" means Rokk was speaking about another thing, it happened as Clark is gone. But he will come back. You remember, the Phoenix story and all, I am deeply convinced it will be that !

[ChronX4]

He was thinking that perhaps this phrase that Rokk said was not to warn him that he would die to hands of Doomsday, but of another villain, as Zod.

Since we saw that him cost nothing to kill Doomsday, and that thing about I chirped to that Lois uses the ring of Legion to save Clark of his death to hands of Zod, but the price to pay would be Chloe's death.

What do they think about this phrase?

He meant Doomsday.

Rokk went back to change time and prevent Clark from being killed by Doomsday, and only Doomsday. I suspect that Lois had something to do with Clark's death in Rokk's timeline due to the fact that the only difference Rokk caused was Lois not being at the telephone booth (introducing the Legion ring caused her to go forward in time), which in his time must have caused Clark to either be distracted or thrown off his objective and ended up being killed by Doomsday.

So "Tommorow is the day you die." was just a warning, but ended up seeming as something metephorical due to the things that did happen.

[LuthorKent90]

He sure did a lot to ensure Clark didn't die.
That whole scene was weak.

[SnowBird]

You mean you think Rokk was talking about "no Superman" because Clark left and changed his identity forever ? I really think he meant a physical death but now that we speak about it, if the "CK is dead" means Rokk was speaking about another thing, it happened as Clark is gone. But he will come back. You remember, the Phoenix story and all, I am deeply convinced it will be that !

Rokk didn't eactly spell out what kind of death but it still turned out the same whichever kind he was talking about. Clark said "Clark Kent is dead." Rokk told Clark he would be dead the next day. Still adds up to the same thing, Superman as the Legion knows him doesn't exist.

Yes, I do remember the Phenix story you mentioned. Clark will rise from his failure as a hero with no humanity to become the Superman we all know and love.

Do you remember the medalion that Lana's trainer had? It was a phoenix. When Lana got the power skin and she came out of the tank to save the scientist from being shot by Tess, you can see the phoenix that her movements made. Did you notice that?

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He meant Doomsday.

Rokk went back to change time and prevent Clark from being killed by Doomsday, and only Doomsday. I suspect that Lois had something to do with Clark's death in Rokk's timeline due to the fact that the only difference Rokk caused was Lois not being at the telephone booth (introducing the Legion ring caused her to go forward in time), which in his time must have caused Clark to either be distracted or thrown off his objective and ended up being killed by Doomsday.

So "Tommorow is the day you die." was just a warning, but ended up seeming as something metephorical due to the things that did happen.


Good catch. So, if Rokk hadn't come back with the Legion Ring, Clark would have died protecting Lois?

[Tompouce]

OMG, Bev. You are right ! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, the Lana stupid arc. I remember now. Her arms like a bird, for the first time since the finale, I am depressed lol.
About Clark, he will come back but with both : his humanity and his Kryptonian story otherwise he can not be Superman. Both identities have to be there...

[superjude]

I am going to hope that Lois and Rokk (or the Legion) had a hand in what happened to Clark. I just want to see it and not have it happen in offscreenville.

[SnowBird]

OMG, Bev. You are right ! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, the Lana stupid arc. I remember now. Her arms like a bird, for the first time since the finale, I am depressed lol.
About Clark, he will come back but with both : his humanity and his Kryptonian story otherwise he can not be Superman. Both identities have to be there...

I'm sorry to have made you depressed:( I know that Lana is a touchy subject for many but I just thought that the phoenix connection was interesting. I liked the trainer a lot. I wish they would bring him back. He originally had the phoenix medalion and I liked that fact....I agree, Clark can't become Superman without his humanity. He must come back from the dark path with both. I think this storyline is going to be very interesting.

[Tompouce]

I am like you Bev. I am very curious about it.
I didn't pay attention to the phoenix medalion lol. To be honest, for Lana, it doesn't fit well as she choose to become a kind of hero. You know it is not like events are so depressing and hard that you have to face it, to solve it. Lana wants to be different, to me, it was not a continuity but a change.
For Clark it will be different, he will suffer for his choices, actions,...and will come back as the same man with a higher maturity. You know what I mean ?
Suddenly, to think the writers have already done my (lol) theory of the Phoenix with Lana devastates me. And as you said it, it is a touchy subject and for once, I was like many : I find this arc insane and ridiculous.
Judy, we are right, for this we need to see it otherwise it would not have the same interest

[SnowBird]

I am like you Bev. I am very curious about it.
I didn't pay attention to the phoenix medalion lol. To be honest, for Lana, it doesn't fit well as she choose to become a kind of hero. You know it is not like events are so depressing and hard that you have to face it, to solve it. Lana wants to be different, to me, it was not a continuity but a change.
For Clark it will be different, he will suffer for his choices, actions,...and will come back as the same man with a higher maturity. You know what I mean ?
Suddenly, to think the writers have already done my (lol) theory of the Phoenix with Lana devastates me. And as you said it, it is a touchy subject and for once, I was like many : I find this arc insane and ridiculous.
Judy, we are right, for this we need to see it otherwise it would not have the same interest

With Clark, he actully killed off his identity of Clark Kent. The Phoenix burns and dies and a new Phoenix rises out of the ashes. Clark will again bring his identity/phoenix back to life again and he will be a new person.

The writers figured if they added fire and burned off Lana's skin and added alien skin and gave her powers, it would be like the Phoenix. Wrong, as she never died or killed her identity of Lana Lang.

Clark is actually the true Phoenix. Dying and rising new.

I like your idea of the Phoenix associated with Clark's future. It's a good one.

[Tompouce]

Thank you, Bev. It is a relief to see that you are not convinced at all with this theory for Lana.
The thing is if they already did it with her (even if it seems no one noticed it lol), they won't do the same with Clark. I am worried now (lol). They have to do something like this for him, you know, show the duality of his both sides and then how they can be perfect together as a balance to make him the man is supposed to be. Producers/writers, are you reading us ? LOL

[dunkman]

I don't think its that complicated. "Tomorrow" had come and went(the funeral probably didnt take place the same day). Doomsday kills Clark in the fight(maybe they kill each other). Cosmic Boy tells Clark to send Doomsday to the future so they can take him out. Clark comes up with an alternate plan. Most likely in the previous version Clark takes on Doomsday head on and dies in the fight. Here he traps Doomsday in the ground due to a warning from the legion. Doomsday isnt dead but he is imprisoned for now.

I agree; that's a good overview of what happened.

Today is a good day to die!

[SnowBird]

Thank you, Bev. It is a relief to see that you are not convinced at all with this theory for Lana.
The thing is if they already did it with her (even if it seems no one noticed it lol), they won't do the same with Clark. I am worried now (lol). They have to do something like this for him, you know, show the duality of his both sides and then how they can be perfect together as a balance to make him the man is supposed to be. Producers/writers, are you reading us ? LOL

I'm sure it will turn out but Clark's journey without his humanity is going to be rough.

[Boycott SF:Movie]

Can't he just tell him in better detail than just "Tomorrow is the day you die." You came back in time and you won't tell him the deats?

[EarlTheEradicator]

I'm sure it will turn out but Clark's journey without his humanity is going to be rough.

Clarks journey without his humanity means no superman whether you like it or not chloe said it best "humanity made you the hero you are today". IMO i think the legion will return for the premiere to put Clark back on the right path. Humans and aliens both live in harmony and im sure thats because at one point clark revealed who he was to the world so my im sticking with my original theory no Clark no superman no superman no future legion. IDK how but i think we havent seen the last of the legion. And i think somewhere in there i contradicted myself.

[Pantalaimon]

Yeah, I think there is still no Superman in Rokk's future (or history rather), neither is there a Clark Kent. As long as Clark stays on this path he simply won't be remembered. Or he will be remembered as someone completely different.

This means his destiny will have to be changed again before he can become the Clark Kent who will eventually become Superman. The most likely candidate to do this is Lois, because her trip to the future should allow her to change destiny when she returns.

[SnowBird]

Yeah, I think there is still no Superman in Rokk's future (or history rather), neither is there a Clark Kent. As long as Clark stays on this path he simply won't be remembered. Or he will be remembered as someone completely different.

This means his destiny will have to be changed again before he can become the Clark Kent who will eventually become Superman. The most likely candidate to do this is Lois, because her trip to the future should allow her to change destiny when she returns.

We think alike as I already mentioned this earlier in so many words. It will be interesting to see if and how Lois changes the past which effects the future.

[Pantalaimon]

^Yes I really hope they stick to the time travel mechanics they have adhered to so far. It means Lois will actually have to change something. Do you think it implies that in the current time line she doesn't come back from the future or something? And when she does come back she changes things back to the way they should be? Except we already know she comes back pretty early in the season if what we're told is true, whereas I'm pretty sure that Clark will stay on this bleak path longer than that.

By the way, it was one of the pleasant surprises of the finale that they brought up the fact again that saving Chloe had changed the course of destiny. However, I'm still wondering why Chloe had to forget about Clark's secret for a few episodes. I keep thinking they must have had a reason, but it just doesn't really make sense.

[shamville]

Lois probably did charge clark from dieding. Why rokk come back blame chloes lots what happens?

[stenochick]

I think at some point Kal-El split off from Clark with black K. Doomsday killed Clark and Kal-El went to the funeral and watchtower and that is who Chloe spoke with. Just my speculation.

[Pantalaimon]

Nah, I don't think there was an actual split. Clark simply made a choice. Like the producers said, a choice that will define his course next season.

[Nibiru]

He's only dead figureatively, having given up on his humanity completely after Jimmy's death at the hands of a very "human" Davis.

[Pantalaimon]

exactly

[christian_kryptonian]

I think that Rokk simply coming back to warn Clark of Doomsday killing him (I assume he meant that and not a metaphorical death) was what changed things so Clark did not actually die. Just my take on it. Butterfly Effect if you believe in that sort of thing. I am personally not in love with how Smallville has handled time travel.

[Rueven]

I wanna believe that Rokk gave was speaking in plain words about Clarks death. He said "Tommorrow is the day you die".

What would had have happened had he not visited and given the ring...

1.) Lois would have been at telephone boothe
2.) Clark may have died trying to protect her
3.) Doomsday might not have been defeated at all due to Clark being overly preoccupied.

By getting the ring (and lois being thrown into the future) this never happens and instead...

1.) Clark and Doomsday both die underneath the ground.
a.) Doomsday ofcourse will be revived shortly due to his regeneration
b.) Clarks body was retrieve by the Eradicator and is being regenerated at the fortess of solitude.
2.) The Eradicator, a purely kryptonian sentient AI that takes on the form of Clark, goes around
trying to fill Clarks shoes while Clark is healing.
3.) This Eradicator version of Clark is going around administering Olivers version of 'Justice'.
(Which is killing people that do bad things)
4.) Oliver will see this 'Justice' for what is is and will realize what the real Clark was talking about
when talking about doing the right thing.
5.) The real Clark comes back and fixes everything.

Correlation from the comics in relation to the Eradicator...
1.) The Eradicator is programmed to believe the the Kryptonian culture is superior to human.
2.) The Eradicator is a colder and shows less sympathy for humans. When fighting crime, it has no
qualms with murder.
3.) The Eradicator actually wheres black, a color which, in the comics, superman swore to never
where (yeah....even though he wheres an entirely black outfit when he finally returns?).


The problem with the above story arc is that Lois being in the future is not accounted for.

However, I would like to see something very similar to this because I do not want to think that Clark has regressed to being unsure of himself, and I do not want Clark to believe that the Green Arrow is right about taking lives.


This arc would have several good points to it. The Green Arrow could be admirably redeemed by this story arc. It would show exactly what happens when super-heroes go around administering justice in the same way the Green Arrow does. It shows where the path that the Green Arrow can arrive at. The Eradicator is like a Superman that kills the criminals he catches, and by Clark and the Green Arrow looking at the Eradicator, I think that it would make the Green Arrow respect Clarks point of view. Hopefully, it would keep Clark from second guessing himself all the time. Thats something I really enjoyed seeing this season. I liked watching Clark adopt the personality that he had when saving Cloe from Brainiac. He is sure of himself, I do not want to see that change.


Superman can kill, and sometimes does, but only as an absolute last resort.


The above story completely accounts for the last scenes between Cloe and 'Clark'. He was cold and slightly un emotional when talking to Cloe about not finding Lois. He says several things about needing to embrace his kryptonian heretage. He says things about Clark Kent being dead (in the comics, the Eradicator tried to manipulate Clark into renowncing his human parents and life. He tried to brainwash Superman into giving up his Kent identity).

Anyway....this prolly won't be the plotline...but I hope its incorperated somehow.

It just needs to have the Lois thing explained. Why would she be in the future if she doesn't have an effect on Clarks resurrection. The only possible reason I can think of is that she learns his secret this way....but I'm not sure I like that explaination.


Oh and to wrap this up....

The reason Clark died permanently in the original timeline is because Doomsday never got stopped. Therefore, the Erdaicator was unable to revive him. In the new timeline, Doomsday and Clark both die, but the Eradicator has time to come back and revive Clark.