Some people not worth saving?

[topping82]

There are no words. They actually make the point that some people like Davis are not worth saving because he was "born bad," and he'll "stay bad."

I found it despicable that no one even cared Davis was dead on the show. We are given this richly layered, deep sympathetic character. And there is no moment of real transformation. We don't get a feeling of completeness to the end of Davis' character. He just dies so Jimmy can look like the hero. Too bad I've been on Davis' side all season.

Talk about crapping on the character, the fans of his character, as well as crapping on the actor.

What kind of message was this? Oliver, who killed, is right. And Clark, who refused to kill, is wrong?

They should have found a way to save Davis.

This whole ending was out of left field. The "beast" is supposed to be saved in the end. It's the way the archetype is supposed to play out.

I just feel sick about the whole thing.

[I_am_LEX]

Davis is just/was just camouflage so you were on a side that didn't exist. Anyways... I think this is maybe where Clark will learn that he really can't save everyone, even if he thinks he can. And also, it's no so much that some people aren't worth saving, rather you don't have to kill someone but you don't have to save them either. It's also accepting that some people just can't be saved. Like Lex, he's destined to be Superman's enemy. Doomsday/Davis, he's destined to be a killer.

[Cogito17]

Yea, I said the same thing in another thread.

I'm surprised that the show seemed to have more people siding with Oliver's stance on the issue than Clark's. The episodes leading up to this made me think they would vindicate Clark's mentality.

[malchloefan]

There are no words. They actually make the point that some people like Davis are not worth saving because he was "born bad," and he'll "stay bad."

I found it despicable that no one even cared Davis was dead on the show. We are given this richly layered, deep sympathetic character. And there is no moment of real transformation. We don't get a feeling of completeness to the end of Davis' character. He just dies so Jimmy can look like the hero. Too bad I've been on Davis' side all season.

Talk about crapping on the character, the fans of his character, as well as crapping on the actor.

What kind of message was this? Oliver, who killed, is right. And Clark, who refused to kill, is wrong?

They should have found a way to save Davis.

This whole ending was out of left field. The "beast" is supposed to be saved in the end. It's the way the archetype is supposed to play out.

I just feel sick about the whole thing.

I couldn't agree more.

[Supsfan]

This show always had a problem where the overplay the romantic drama angst. Having 2 guys kill eachother because of Chloe was just another example of the bad angsty drama this show is terrible for.

As you said it was a terrible payoff if somebody was into the storyline, but they milked all they could out of Davis and needed to get rid of him and came up with the stupdiest of ways to do it.

Personally I would just rather of had Doomsday kill both Jimmy and Davis, at least then it would make some sense why they died.

[Sports72Xtrm]

The idea of redemption seems pretty dumb. The world shouldn't have to accommodate to someone just because they were misunderstood or had a bad childhood. You do bad things, you kill people, you get the book, you deal with the consequences. Cause and effect. What you feel only matters to you. It's how your actions affect others that really count. At least that's how I feel. So no sad violins playing in the background for Davis and Lex for me.

But yeah they did save Davis. They saved a murderer.

[Lauren_17]

There are no words. They actually make the point that some people like Davis are not worth saving because he was "born bad," and he'll "stay bad."

That's not what they were saying. Davis still chose evil over good in the end, even without doomsday's influence.


I found it despicable that no one even cared Davis was dead on the show.

Why would they? I don't see anybody shed a tear when a real-life murderer is executed. Davis killed Jimmy in cold blood. Why would Chloe, or anyone else for the matter, be sad that Davis killed a good person, and then subsequently died himself?


We are given this richly layered, deep sympathetic character. And there is no moment of real transformation.

Davis, in a way, is a lot like Lex. Except Davis was obsessed with Chloe. He was sympathetic because that's what would get him closer to Chloe. In the end, when she didn't have the same feelings, he went psycho on her.


We don't get a feeling of completeness to the end of Davis' character. He just dies so Jimmy can look like the hero.

I got a feeling of completness. Davis thought that the monster inside of him was the cause of his evil, so all along he blamed the bad stuff on something he thought he had no control over. With the beast gone, he still was the monster, and maybe he was the monster/beast this whole time but didn't realize it until he stabbed Jimmy.

[neoblackdragon]

Davis wasnt born bad. Clark was just too late to save him. Davis chose to kill those people to quench the beast and that stole his humanity. At the end of the day, Clark can't save everyone from themselves They make choices. Keep in mind that in the same scene where Davis snaps, it was Jimmy who forgave Chloe and became enlightened. Jimmy was going down his own dark path and at the end chose against it.

[dru-zod2501]

The idea of redemption seems pretty dumb. The world shouldn't have to accommodate to someone just because they were misunderstood or had a bad childhood. You do bad things, you kill people, you get the book, you deal with the consequences. Cause and effect. What you feel only matters to you. It's how your actions affect others that really count. At least that's how I feel. So no sad violins playing in the background for Davis and Lex for me.
so there was never any chance Davis could've changed? :rolleyes: Obviously at the end there wasn't but that was completely inconsistent with Davis' character through the season

there was a difference between killing Davis and throwing him in the PZ. I agree with punishment for the crime, but eye-for-an-eye justice isn't the way.

[topping82]

Yea, I said the same thing in another thread.

I'm surprised that the show seemed to have more people siding with Oliver's stance on the issue than Clark's. The episodes leading up to this made me think they would vindicate Clark's mentality.

It's surprising to me too.

[pen2paper]

Personally I would just rather of had Doomsday kill both Jimmy and Davis, at least then it would make some sense why they died.

ITA. They milked that love triangle as much as they could. And the milk sucked. lol it's actually kind of funny how pissed off this episode got me. This was supposed to be my post exam payoff *sighs*, I'm going to have to party off the angst.

off track, nyways I didn't buy the Chimmy reunion, I have nothing against Jimmy, I just don't think they were ever right for each other and the writers spent WAYY too much time trying to convince us that they did. Chloe just hasn't been Chloe in a while, I miss her.

[Karafan1]

Davis was obviously not worth saving since he went psycho and killed Jimmy..

[pen2paper]

I got a feeling of completness. Davis thought that the monster inside of him was the cause of his evil, so all along he blamed the bad stuff on something he thought he had no control over. With the beast gone, he still was the monster, and maybe he was the monster/beast this whole time but didn't realize it until he stabbed Jimmy.

This is an interesting way of looking at it.

But I can't seem to credit the writers with coming up with it.

And I don't believe he was evil all along, he tried way too hard to do the right thing in the begginning. As much as I hate the ending they gave him, after all the carnage he's caused, his crappy life the guilt he's felt. I can see him snapping at Chloe for having lied to him, but I still think the writers chose the easy way out.

[Sports72Xtrm]

so there was never any chance Davis could've changed? :rolleyes: Obviously at the end there wasn't but that was completely inconsistent with Davis' character through the season

there was a difference between killing Davis and throwing him in the PZ. I agree with punishment for the crime, but eye-for-an-eye justice isn't the way.

Well when he started killing as Davis, it didn't give me a better view of him. I would still fight him tooth and nail to get Davis his just rewards as in my eyes that's the point he hit the point of no return. But when he tried to kill Ollie because Chloe wouldn't miss him, it just reconfirmed my suspicions.

[jpfort1957]

Davis was not a person!!!!!!!!!! It was a monster made from a DNA cocktail of different creatures. Did you not see it pour from a rock/cocoon like a few gallons of runny B.S.? Davis was just a "sheep skin" the monster wore. As Davis........it murdered over 50, and burried the bodies in a cornfield. What was there to save???? Nothing!!!!!!!!!!

[BackToTheLies]

I don't think they crapped on the actor if people are right that Sam Witwer was in the final scene and is back for next season as Zod.

[Cogito17]

I don't think it is so much a matter of whether Davis was worth saving or not. I think the strange thing is that Clark seemed to think he was, and they seemed to portray Oliver as being "darker" for wanting to kill him in the episodes leading up to this. Then, in this episode the show seems to land more on Oliver's side as opposed to Clark's (even Clark sort of ended up siding with Oliver), even though Clark is supposed to be the hero of the show.

I, personally, would have preferred to see Clark's actions vindicated.

[dru-zod2501]

Well when he started killing as Davis, it didn't give me a better view of him. I would still fight him tooth and nail to get Davis his just rewards as in my eyes that's the point he hit the point of no return. But when he tried to kill Ollie because Chloe wouldn't miss him, it just reconfirmed my suspicions.
maybe I'm just too liberal hippie, but Davis' end seemed tacked on and insincere

[Dyanara]

Heck Im not even liberal, Im conservative and even I am disgusted and almost frightened by people who believe Davis should have been put down like a dog in previous episodes and no attempt to find another way should have even been thought of. Im just glad the writers of this show dont have access to weapons of mass destruction...hopefully Oliver wont get his hands on any either.

[davidbrenton]

People not worth saving: Chloe.

EoS (End of Story).

[ginnyfan]

Davis wasnt born bad. Clark was just too late to save him. Davis chose to kill those people to quench the beast and that stole his humanity. At the end of the day, Clark can't save everyone from themselves They make choices. Keep in mind that in the same scene where Davis snaps, it was Jimmy who forgave Chloe and became enlightened. Jimmy was going down his own dark path and at the end chose against it.

Great post. I agree.

[Kschreck]

There are no words. They actually make the point that some people like Davis are not worth saving because he was "born bad," and he'll "stay bad."

I found it despicable that no one even cared Davis was dead on the show. We are given this richly layered, deep sympathetic character. And there is no moment of real transformation. We don't get a feeling of completeness to the end of Davis' character. He just dies so Jimmy can look like the hero. Too bad I've been on Davis' side all season.

Talk about crapping on the character, the fans of his character, as well as crapping on the actor.

What kind of message was this? Oliver, who killed, is right. And Clark, who refused to kill, is wrong?

They should have found a way to save Davis.

This whole ending was out of left field. The "beast" is supposed to be saved in the end. It's the way the archetype is supposed to play out.

I just feel sick about the whole thing.


Did we watch the same episode? They spent the entire season trying to save Davis and they finally did separate man from beast but then Davis randomly went berserk and murdered Jimmy. I was at least a little supportive of Davis until the writers did that with him. I do agree with on one thing though, this episode did totally suck!

[roccanater]

Even the Davis part of Doomsday proved to be evil. I don't think he was worth saving.

[topping82]

Heck Im not even liberal, Im conservative and even I am disgusted and almost frightened by people who believe Davis should have been put down like a dog in previous episodes and no attempt to find another way should have even been thought of. Im just glad the writers of this show dont have access to weapons of mass destruction...hopefully Oliver wont get his hands on any either.

Yep. I completely agree.

[Jack-El49]

In the real world, we have people like Dahmer, Bundy, Gacy, the BTK killer, the Zodiac killer, and the recent spate of pedophiles who snatch children and adolescent girls and then rape/kill them. All these murderers/rapists/sociopaths are not worth the energy to try to save. Once "saved", then what? Let them open day care centers? Let them be school bus drivers? Would you want them around you or your children? If so, contact the local parole board and let them know if they have any reformed serial killers/rapists/homicidal pedophiles that are due for parole, you'd gladly give them a job around your home.

I put Davis Bloome into this same category. So as disgusting as it may be to others, I would have put him down like a rabid dog because that is exactly what he turned out to be. Oliver was right, Jimmy was right. The only energy I would expend on a person like Davis or the other aforementioned people is the energy it takes to pull a lever and fry them. Davis was not worth saving - he wasn't even human - and all the efforts to reform/save him only resulted in more death and destruction.

[magic]

I liked that Clark finally saw the whole picture in the end and was willing to admit that Oliver was right, humanity has a dark side too and you can't ignore it.

[Unf*ckable]

People not worth saving: Chloe.

EoS (End of Story).



And why exactly do you think so?