If Clark is being compared to Jesus

[vikingjedi]

Then Clark has to be dead right now. Its the only thing that explains why Clark was acting so strange. Plus how come they didnt show more of Clark fighting DD? It was like 30 seconds long, Clark grabs him. and then all of a sudden Clark is ok wearing different clothes? HUH??

Maybe what Chloe saw was the spirit of Clark, and then he disappears. I've never seen Clark wear purple before either. That has to be significant.

[vagrant]

Then Clark has to be dead right now. Its the only thing that explains why Clark was acting so strange. Plus how come they didnt show more of Clark fighting DD? It was like 30 seconds long, Clark grabs him. and then all of a sudden Clark is ok wearing different clothes? HUH??

Maybe what Chloe saw was the spirit of Clark, and then he disappears. I've never seen Clark wear purple before either. That has to be significant.

Clark was acting strange because he is responsible for people dying. And what are you talking about? Clark was wearing different clothes days later.

[vikingjedi]

What I mean is you don't see anything after what happened with the explosion. No explaination of how Clark escaped but DD didn't. They don't show any of it and I think they did it for a reason.

The part at the end when Clark just disappears was not just there for show. The colors that Clark wears are very significant too. Purple is very symbolic.

[Exedore]

I submit that Rokk was the "angel" who visited Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane.

[pibegardel]

Smallville came up with Clark being like Jesus. Does the Doomsay episode fit? Anyone else have any thoughts about the alien Jesus?

Actually, Smallville was beaten to the punch by (surprise) the writers of Superman. The Clark/Superman story actually mirrors Moses more. After all, both of the co-creators were Jewish.

I should add that after Jesus was crucified he didn't hold it against humans, he forgave while Clark blamed his human side for all the evil things that happened and then gave up on his human side. Quite the opposite of Jesus' message.

[LJ-90]

Interesting thought.
Even if I find it a little crazy...I don't think the writters are this smart.

[pibegardel]

Other thoughts:

Justice League could be the disciples.

Ollie fits as the Judas. Clark told him that he wasn't one of them anymore and told him to leave and then Ollie betrayed Clark and shot him with the Kryptonite dart.
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How about Chloe as Judas? She broke the crystal which could have sent DD to the Phantom Zone. Chloe said she did it for Clark's sake but what if she only did it because she was in love with Davis?

[LJ-90]

How about Chloe as Judas? She broke the crystal which could have sent DD to the Phantom Zone. Chloe said she did it for Clark's sake but what if she only did it because she was in love with Davis?

Could be...after all she did say she thought she was in love with him.

[Exedore]

How about Tess as the devil who tempted Jesus? Not in this episode but in the past couple of episodes Clark was being repeatedly "tempted" by Tess. :p

[LJ-90]

The writers have already thought of it. Clark has already been compared to Jesus by Tess.

No, I mean about the "Clark comes back as a ghost that can only be seen by his disciples" thing...and even if they do this...it would be kind of weird.

And the only times we could see ghost in Smallville kryptonite has been involved, how could Clark's ghost came back?

[Exedore]

No, I mean about the "Clark comes back as a ghost that can only be seen by his disciples" thing...and even if they do this...it would be kind of weird.

And the only times we could see ghost in Smallville kryptonite has been involved, how could Clark's ghost came back?

Human ghosts and Kryptonian ghosts probably don't function the same way. Kryptonian ghosts can probably do things human ghosts can never do. :lol:

And Oliver is a better fit as the Judas figure than Chloe. Or was he Pilate? :\ Maybe a combination?

[pibegardel]

Chloe didn't break the crystal. Clark hid the crystal and Tess found it and destroyed it.
Hehe...sorry, you're right. Memory is the first thing to go, right?

[RedKRules]

Clark being like Jesus and betrayal seems to fit in this episode.

Clark was betrayed by his friends.

Clark became the savior of the world by defeating Doomsday.

Death of his identity, Clark Kent for the good of the world.

Was Clark buried in the ground with DD and rose in three days in time for Jimmy's funeral? He has such a vague explanation about how he got out.

Was he a spirit when he talked to Chloe? After Jesus rose from the dead he came back to earth and was seen by his disciples. He talked and walked beside them.

Smallville came up with Clark being like Jesus. Does the Doomsay episode fit? Anyone else have any thoughts about the alien Jesus?

With all due respect .... I just can´t compare Clark to Jesus ... ever.

[SGuthrie27]

I'm adding my thoughts here from where I'd posted them on another thread.

"Anyway, you had some interesting points, Snowbird, in regards to how parts of this episode could be portrayed as Biblical allegory. All of Clark's friends deserted him when he needed them to stand by him most. Oliver stalked away just as Judas left the table during the Last Supper, and then the other Justice League members abandoned him, as the other disciples ended up doing in the Garden of Gethsemane when Jesus was arrested. And yes, he took the blame for situations and actions that he had no control over, and did everything he could to save Davis, thinking even he was redeemable in spite of his actions. There were definitely some symbolic connections there. It's just ironic that the Justice League, more than Chloe or Davis, appeared to be the most Judas-like in their treatment of Clark in "Doomsday.""

All that being said, RedKRules, I agree with you that there's no way Clark can ever be compared to Jesus -- I'm just pointing out the way that TPTB have thrown such a Biblical tone over the events that occurred at the end of this season.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[vikingjedi]

I think you may be right. Why did they take the time to have Rokk fly out of the night sky instead of just using the Legion ring and appearing on the roof?

If Clark represents Jesus, then the other characters must represent someone from the Bible as well.

There were two thieves being crucified with Jesus. He told them they were forgiven of their sins. We have two characters who also died and they were Jimmy and Davis. Davis used a long pole which looked kind of like a spear that Romans used.

Like I said before, This is not my idea. I'm just trying to see if the pieces fit into what Tess Mercer said that Clark represented Jesus to her and that Clark was the Savior of the world. Clark mentioned it at the Daily Planet at the beginning of the episode.

I'm not sure how Chloe and Tess fit into it. Chloe could be a disciple being she works for the Justice League that could represent disciples and she supports Clark.

So, did the writers tell the story of the last days of Jesus through the episode of Doomsday?

Nice, never thought of Davis and Jimmy being the two people crucified along with Clark. Jimmy would be the one that turned good getting salvation, and Davis is the one that turned evil.

Ive said in other threads I think Chloe represents Mary Magdalene because thats the first person Clark visited after he died like Jesus visited her after He died.

Oliver represents Judas because he betrayed Clark thinking it was the right thing to do. Plus Clark said "You're not one of us anymore" which is basically what Jesus said to Judas when he told him to leave.

Not sure who Tess represents. Thought she was Judas but that can't work because she was never Clark's friend.

[Exedore]

I like the parallel between Jimmy/Davis and the two other people crucified with Jesus. Very nice! :D


Nice, never thought of Davis and Jimmy being the two people crucified along with Clark. Jimmy would be the one that turned good getting salvation, and Davis is the one that turned evil.

Ive said in other threads I think Chloe represents Mary Magdalene because thats the first person Clark visited after he died like Jesus visited her after He died.

Oliver represents Judas because he betrayed Clark thinking it was the right thing to do. Plus Clark said "You're not one of us anymore" which is basically what Jesus said to Judas when he told him to leave.

Not sure who Tess represents. Thought she was Judas but that can't work because she was never Clark's friend.

I came up with this idea:


How about Tess as the devil who tempted Jesus? Not in this episode but in the past couple of episodes Clark was being repeatedly "tempted" by Tess. :p

[vikingjedi]

I like the parallel between Jimmy/Davis and the two other people crucified with Jesus. Very nice! :D



I came up with this idea:

Originally Posted by Exedore
How about Tess as the devil who tempted Jesus? Not in this episode but in the past couple of episodes Clark was being repeatedly "tempted" by Tess.




Interesting idea, never thought of that before.

[Deana]

It really is an insult to Jesus to have SV's Clark Kent compared to him. I don't know what gave the writers this bad idea. Maybe Superman Returns . . . .

[Exedore]

It really is an insult to Jesus to have SV's Clark Kent compared to him. I don't know what gave the writers this bad idea. Maybe Superman Returns . . . .

No it was the Gospel According to Donner. :p

[O'Neill]

The show needs new writers.

[pibegardel]

If Lana had appeared would she have been the devil?

[PatRicNasty]

No it was the Gospel According to Donner. :p

Thank you, Exedore! It is good to see a fellow Donnerite among the ranks here!!!

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It really is an insult to Jesus to have SV's Clark Kent compared to him. I don't know what gave the writers this bad idea. Maybe Superman Returns . . . .

Really, how is that an insult to Jesus? Clark is portraying all the good and caring qualities that Jesus showed the world.

[LJ-90]

Thank you, Exedore! It is good to see a fellow Donnerite among the ranks here!!!

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Really, how is that an insult to Jesus? Clark is portraying all the good and caring qualities that Jesus showed the world.

I'm not really into religion, but I could see how people can see it a little insulting.
Even if Clark represents all the good and everything, Jesus never said "my humanity is to blame" or something along that line...

I don't know...but I would never go there, there's people who could see it insulting, I'm not one of them but it's understandable that there's people who really loves Jesus and what represents, and that could be mad that they are using him and his hystory to write a TV show.

IDK

[Luthor5339]

He "metaphorically died," as an adoptee also "metaphorically dying" as I type this - yeah, after the death and living in the other side for a real then the return is called the "resurrection" - it's more Joseph Campbell's Hero Journey than Jesus. It is strong enough an event that it is and has been called the stage where the "hero dies."

[Joanna]

No, I mean about the "Clark comes back as a ghost that can only be seen by his disciples" thing...and even if they do this...it would be kind of weird.

And the only times we could see ghost in Smallville kryptonite has been involved, how could Clark's ghost came back?

Just to make sth clear: Jesus did not come back as ghost, he came back as a person, with his body. His diciples even touched his wounds when they met him. He could be seen by everyone.

[Aries83]

If Clark is being compared to Jesus, then he and Davis Bloome would've made out too. :rotfl:

Seriously, if I'm not mistaken Clark also wore purple at Lionel's funeral. Lex and Clark also share a similar scene like the one between Ollie and Clark at Jimmy's funeral.

[TOMophilus]

With all due respect .... I just can´t compare Clark to Jesus ... ever.
Exactly. I´d choose Clark over Jesus any time... :D

[Pantalaimon]

I think a better way of putting it is that Clark has quite a few characteristics of a messianic figure. There have been many such figures in the history of storytelling and it would be more appropriate to compare Clark to the messianic archetype than to Jesus Christ himself, however you feel about the latter.

[Aries83]

I think they should've stuck with Greek, Roman and Egytian gods if they really wanted to do a juxtaposition of the two characters. For example, Lana compares him to Ra to which Chloe compares her to Isis.

These references always made more sense. To compare him to Jesus is just giving him too much credit.

[RedKRules]

Exactly. I´d choose Clark over Jesus any time... :D

good for you, as for me I would never ever ever choose Clark over Jesus no FREAKING way ... because comparing Clark to Jesus is an insult to my intelligence ....... I won´t discuss religion here .. it is just a waste of time.

[TOMophilus]

good for you, as for me I would never ever ever choose Clark over Jesus no FREAKING way ... because comparing Clark to Jesus is an insult to my intelligence ....... I won´t discuss religion here .. it is just a waste of time.
I´d be happy to elaborate on my provocative choice of regarding Clark a better ethical role model than Jesus, but discussing religion is not really allowed here. Besides, I´m not the thread starter. So it´s not my comparison: I´m just jumping on the bandwagon.