"Doomsday" was a cliffhaner in itself!

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

I know a lot of you are complaining because it didn't make sense and things like that. Well, I thought the same thing until a few minutes ago.

Yeah, this was probably the most confusing Smallville episode in its history, but if you think about it, this whole episode was the cliffhanger. Lois disappeared early, because they (the PS3) wanted us to think about where she could be. The Doomsday fight scene was short, probably because (the budget, being one of the reasons) they want us to know what really happened when the Season 9 premiere happens.

I personally think they wanted almost each and every scene of this episode to leave us in such confusion, that we cannot wait until the season premiere in September.

I think the reason this was so different from any other season finale, was because, like I said earlier, this entire episode was a cliffhanger.

[susangail]

Absolutely. Great finale.

[davidbrenton]

Yes! I agree with the whole episode, the whole series...where it's going...was a cliffhanger. Great point!

And, we have not seen the death of Superman yet, which will hopefully be season 9 finale......with Clark as SUperman and Lois finding out in the finale, while he dies in her arms. That is one classic piece of comic history I embrace them sticking to the letter for.

[ManOfSteel87]

Sadly, I think they confused half the audience and pissed off the other half and many of them won't be back next season. I'm in the pissed off category, but I will still be back for season 9.

[StealthyMakoto]

I'd have to agree, yeah. A typical season finale would have been various cast members being trapped under rubble and Doomsday jumping off into the camera with Clark nowhere in sight, or something along those lines, but I've got a lot more questions after seeing this tonight. Can't wait to see how they resolve the various plotlines.... hopefully they don't wrap it all up in one episode, but I won't hold my breath about that ;)

[Kschreck]

I know a lot of you are complaining because it didn't make sense and things like that. Well, I thought the same thing until a few minutes ago.

Yeah, this was probably the most confusing Smallville episode in its history, but if you think about it, this whole episode was the cliffhanger. Lois disappeared early, because they (the PS3) wanted us to think about where she could be. The Doomsday fight scene was short, probably because (the budget, being one of the reasons) they want us to know what really happened when the Season 9 premiere happens.

I personally think they wanted almost each and every scene of this episode to leave us in such confusion, that we cannot wait until the season premiere in September.

I think the reason this was so different from any other season finale, was because, like I said earlier, this entire episode was a cliffhanger.


Except it's backfiring and almost everyone is furious over what happen. Many people will give up on the show now meaning worse ratings next year and quite frankly I can't blame anyone anymore for giving up. I'm nearly at the breaking point myself!

As for them explaining what exactly happened to Davis and Clark at the Geo thermal plant, I don't think they will explain it. They didn't show what happened because they couldn't afford to actually make a set in which we could see Clark and Doomsday falling down into a hole with bombs going off. All we saw was Clark fly to a nearby, cheap CG location in the background with a few explosions going off. The whole thing reaked of mediocracy. They should stop bringing in big concepts like Doomsday and Zod and just focus a season on Clark working at the Daily Planet and him becoming Superman. That is something they CAN do on the horrid budget they have.

[Ellsbury]

I know a lot of you are complaining because it didn't make sense and things like that. Well, I thought the same thing until a few minutes ago.

Yeah, this was probably the most confusing Smallville episode in its history, but if you think about it, this whole episode was the cliffhanger. Lois disappeared early, because they (the PS3) wanted us to think about where she could be. The Doomsday fight scene was short, probably because (the budget, being one of the reasons) they want us to know what really happened when the Season 9 premiere happens.

I personally think they wanted almost each and every scene of this episode to leave us in such confusion, that we cannot wait until the season premiere in September.

I think the reason this was so different from any other season finale, was because, like I said earlier, this entire episode was a cliffhanger.

AT LAST!

ITA with you, we need to wait 9x01 before returning the verdict on this episode.

[MethosII]

Anyone else miss Al & Miles yet?

[roccanater]

I liked the season finale. I liked how each scene was in essance a cliff hanger. I will certainly be sticking around for Season 9. In fact, I cannot wait!

[StealthyMakoto]

Anyone else miss Al & Miles yet?

Heck no <_<

[Kar-olo]

>As for them explaining what exactly happened to Davis and Clark at the Geo thermal plant, I don't think they will explain it.

Well... I'm waiting yet the explanation about what exactly happened with Lex and Clark at the end of season 7, so...

[Lilah]

I know a lot of you are complaining because it didn't make sense and things like that. Well, I thought the same thing until a few minutes ago.

Yeah, this was probably the most confusing Smallville episode in its history, but if you think about it, this whole episode was the cliffhanger. Lois disappeared early, because they (the PS3) wanted us to think about where she could be. The Doomsday fight scene was short, probably because (the budget, being one of the reasons) they want us to know what really happened when the Season 9 premiere happens.

I personally think they wanted almost each and every scene of this episode to leave us in such confusion, that we cannot wait until the season premiere in September.

I think the reason this was so different from any other season finale, was because, like I said earlier, this entire episode was a cliffhanger.

Except all it did was cause the opposite effect and piss off everyone into giving up on the show all together or coming close to doing so.

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Anyone else miss Al & Miles yet?

I'll never miss those chimps!

[Krypto_marcus]

Absolutely. Great finale.

Yep, agreed!

[smallville_is_awesome]

I know a lot of you are complaining because it didn't make sense and things like that. Well, I thought the same thing until a few minutes ago.

Yeah, this was probably the most confusing Smallville episode in its history, but if you think about it, this whole episode was the cliffhanger. Lois disappeared early, because they (the PS3) wanted us to think about where she could be. The Doomsday fight scene was short, probably because (the budget, being one of the reasons) they want us to know what really happened when the Season 9 premiere happens.

I personally think they wanted almost each and every scene of this episode to leave us in such confusion, that we cannot wait until the season premiere in September.

I think the reason this was so different from any other season finale, was because, like I said earlier, this entire episode was a cliffhanger.
ITA! Great point!

[Steve-El]

IMO, didn't feel much like a cliffhanger. Only to have Lois missing and Jimmy's dead. We'll just to wait and see what really happened when Season 9 is in September. Until then, we'll be bored for 4 months.

[smallville_is_awesome]

I liked the season finale. I liked how each scene was in essance a cliff hanger. I will certainly be sticking around for Season 9. In fact, I cannot wait!

Me too!;)

[KalEltheBoyscout]

Wow...I actually felt like the only person in the world who enjoyed the finale.

[9-SOSIHTWB]

Wow...I actually felt like the only person in the world who enjoyed the finale.

:D So did I when I first saw what people were saying it on the 'Love it, Hate it' poll!!!

[Unsound]

Wow...I actually felt like the only person in the world who enjoyed the finale.

The unhappy masses are always far louder. I also enjoyed the episode, it raised a lot of questions that I'm looking forward to finding the answers to next season.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

I enjoyed it, too.

[DestinyAw8s]

There were some parts I didn't care much for, but altogether, it has left me wondering. Isn't that what a finale is supposed to do? So, yeah, count me in. I'm anticipating the premiere and season 9 with the others here. :)

[Violet-Shadow]

Sadly, I think they confused half the audience and pissed off the other half and many of them won't be back next season. I'm in the pissed off category, but I will still be back for season 9.


I'm in the pissed off catergory and I won't be returning. Yes, it's because of the Jimmy retcon/death. But watching this show next season would have been painful anyway, IMO, if the latter half of this season is any indication. The season started out GREAT but then came to a sharp drop off and hasn't found it's footing again. The finale didn't manage to have that finale-esque feeling to it. Jimmy retcon/death aside, it made me wonder why I watch this show. The plots have been all over the place and this episode was no exception - in fact, it was the epitome.

[bluewolv1970]

I know a lot of you are complaining because it didn't make sense and things like that. Well, I thought the same thing until a few minutes ago.

Yeah, this was probably the most confusing Smallville episode in its history, but if you think about it, this whole episode was the cliffhanger. Lois disappeared early, because they (the PS3) wanted us to think about where she could be. The Doomsday fight scene was short, probably because (the budget, being one of the reasons) they want us to know what really happened when the Season 9 premiere happens.

I personally think they wanted almost each and every scene of this episode to leave us in such confusion, that we cannot wait until the season premiere in September.

I think the reason this was so different from any other season finale, was because, like I said earlier, this entire episode was a cliffhanger.

well you know I couldnt agree more

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

I totally enjoyed it! I am going to miss our Henry James Olsen but I guess I have to get over it! It was a different finale than what we are use to....in my opinion it was a better finale!!!!

[actaeon]

I don't think it was a cliffhanger at all. A cliffhanger can't be confusing-- it should pose one single clear question awaiting resolution. That didn't happen in Doomsday.

Lois wasn't in the episode long enough for her disappearance to be a real cliffhanger. The emphasis was elsewhere-- the supposed big Clark/Dooms showdown. Plus, it happened too early in the show. What happened to her wasn't drama, it was an accident. And while I'm sort of interested in what happened to Lois, but I'm not on the edge of my seat; I figure she's just cooling her heels somewhere in the future.

The Clark/Dooms showdown wasn't left unresolved; Clark won, somehow, offscreen, in the great wimp-out. I don't think Dooms is dead and gone forever, because he's part of the mythos; he'll return eventually I suppose, just like Lex will. But nothing in this episode leads me to expect Dooms will be returning with a vengeance anytime soon.

The season finale left me with no great expectations. Seems like Clark is off somewhere, feeling sorry for himself. Again. Yawn. This part of Clark's so-called journey has been beaten to death on this show, and I'm sick and tired of it.

I wasn't even angry at the way this season ended, just bored. Next season I hope they've learned their lesson, give us some more of the happy, quirky, funny Lois & Clark interaction that has worked so well in S8. Give Chloe the send-off this wonderful character deserves. And put Tess in every episode, just like Lex used to be.

[Clark/Lois-fan]

Yes it certainly was/is. I can't wait for the S9 premiere. Doomsday is the best season finale in a long time!! :D

[6-Super-Man -5]

Most likely, one of the best episodes ever, I think.
Hoping Doomsday returns, and positive Season Ten will happen. :D

[LJ-90]

I don't think it was a cliffhanger at all. A cliffhanger can't be confusing-- it should pose one single clear question awaiting resolution. That didn't happen in Doomsday.

Lois wasn't in the episode long enough for her disappearance to be a real cliffhanger. The emphasis was elsewhere-- the supposed big Clark/Dooms showdown. Plus, it happened too early in the show. What happened to her wasn't drama, it was an accident. And while I'm sort of interested in what happened to Lois, but I'm not on the edge of my seat; I figure she's just cooling her heels somewhere in the future.

The Clark/Dooms showdown wasn't left unresolved; Clark won, somehow, offscreen, in the great wimp-out. I don't think Dooms is dead and gone forever, because he's part of the mythos; he'll return eventually I suppose, just like Lex will. But nothing in this episode leads me to expect Dooms will be returning with a vengeance anytime soon.

The season finale left me with no great expectations. Seems like Clark is off somewhere, feeling sorry for himself. Again. Yawn. This part of Clark's so-called journey has been beaten to death on this show, and I'm sick and tired of it.

I wasn't even angry at the way this season ended, just bored. Next season I hope they've learned their lesson, give us some more of the happy, quirky, funny Lois & Clark interaction that has worked so well in S8. Give Chloe the send-off this wonderful character deserves. And put Tess in every episode, just like Lex used to be.

I think the same...this episode didn't left me in the edge of my seat (unlike Bride...) and I'm not crazy about next season, I'm not counting the days or weeks till the premiere, I'm just bored...just like I felt in the finale of Prison Break season 3, and in that show I only saw the premiere of season 4 and never watched again.

I don't think Doomsday was great, it was confusing but not in the "OMG I WANT TO KNOW WHAT HAPPENED! NOW!" instead it was in "Huh? Ok, whatever"...this show used to have great finales (Exodus, Commencement, Vessel...) but this isn't one of them...in my opinion anyway.

[The Striving Artist®]

I don't think it was a cliffhanger at all. A cliffhanger can't be confusing-- it should pose one single clear question awaiting resolution. That didn't happen in Doomsday.

Lois wasn't in the episode long enough for her disappearance to be a real cliffhanger. The emphasis was elsewhere-- the supposed big Clark/Dooms showdown. Plus, it happened too early in the show. What happened to her wasn't drama, it was an accident. And while I'm sort of interested in what happened to Lois, but I'm not on the edge of my seat; I figure she's just cooling her heels somewhere in the future.

The Clark/Dooms showdown wasn't left unresolved; Clark won, somehow, offscreen, in the great wimp-out. I don't think Dooms is dead and gone forever, because he's part of the mythos; he'll return eventually I suppose, just like Lex will. But nothing in this episode leads me to expect Dooms will be returning with a vengeance anytime soon.

The season finale left me with no great expectations. Seems like Clark is off somewhere, feeling sorry for himself. Again. Yawn. This part of Clark's so-called journey has been beaten to death on this show, and I'm sick and tired of it.

I wasn't even angry at the way this season ended, just bored. Next season I hope they've learned their lesson, give us some more of the happy, quirky, funny Lois & Clark interaction that has worked so well in S8. Give Chloe the send-off this wonderful character deserves. And put Tess in every episode, just like Lex used to be.


I was probably the only one who didn't buy into Ausiello's hype that Clark was going to have a real smackdown with Doomsday.The only thing shocking about the finale was the metaphorical death,which was the biggest "WTF?" in Smallville history.For once though I was not on the edge of my seat.Of course I won't rule out TPTB doing a flashback episode to what happened at the GEO plant.The whole thing suffered from re-writes after the exec's realized the show was getting it's higher ratings than it had in years which probably made PS3 go through a difficult re-write proccess.Especially with two showrunners leaving.

Even Zod emerging from the BEYOND wasn't suspenseful.But maybe that's because we all knew it was coming.

Also we wait for Bart to come back for two years and this is the thanks we get??? What a waste of actor availibilty.

[fan of the man]

Anyone who understand Mythos of Superman and its importances of it, liked this episode,
because it resolve Jimmy's age issue in the comics, and the writers cover their trail well of course this is my opinion, there is no evidences of Smallville Jimmy being James B. Olson every. People can be mad at a twist, but I think this was planned long before season 8. Also Doomsday is put in a mile deep grave and want be released to kill Supernan until Clark Is Superman. To me this was the best final in eight years, there are so many cliffhangers going into season nine. I want to the Smallville team great Job can't wait until Sept.

[LJ-90]

Anyone who understand Mythos of Superman and its importances of it, liked this episode,
because it resolve Jimmy's age issue in the comics, and the writers cover their trail well of course this is my opinion, there is no evidences of Smallville Jimmy being James B. Olson every. People can be mad at a twist, but I think this was planned long before season 8. Also Doomsday is put in a mile deep grave and want be released to kill Supernan until Clark Is Superman. To me this was the best final in eight years, there are so many cliffhangers going into season nine. I want to the Smallville team great Job can't wait until Sept.

Wait...what?

First of all, I understand and like the mythos, and I disliked this episode, so your assumption is wrong there.

Second...there is a lot of evidence of the producers and writers saying this was the iconic Jimmy Olsen, if you want to see the quotes you can search them in the forums or just ask me for them, I can send them to you.

Third, as evidenced in the quotes mentioned this wasn't planned long before season 8, again if you want the quotes just ask and I'll post them.

That's all.

[fan of the man]

wait...what?

First of all, i understand and like the mythos, and i disliked this episode, so your assumption is wrong there.

Second...there is a lot of evidence of the producers and writers saying this was the iconic jimmy olsen, if you want to see the quotes you can search them in the forums or just ask me for them, i can send them to you.

Third, as evidenced in the quotes mentioned this wasn't planned long before season 8, again if you want the quotes just ask and i'll post them.

That's all.

show me!!!!!!!!!

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Wait...what?

First of all, I understand and like the mythos, and I disliked this episode, so your assumption is wrong there.

Second...there is a lot of evidence of the producers and writers saying this was the iconic Jimmy Olsen, if you want to see the quotes you can search them in the forums or just ask me for them, I can send them to you.

Third, as evidenced in the quotes mentioned this wasn't planned long before season 8, again if you want the quotes just ask and I'll post them.

That's all.
If you love the Mythos then you should be pleased that Jimmy age issue is resolved and that Doomsday does not kill Clark until he is Superman? Corect

[LJ-90]

show me!!!!!!!!!

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If you love the Mythos then you should be pleased that Jimmy age issue is resolved and that Doomsday does not kill Clark until he is Superman? Corect

Well, I love the mythos, and I guess you too.
Tell me, would you be pleased if in the last episode of Smallville they retcon every single thing that doesn't add up? They kill Lois, just to show us another Lois that doesn't know him and somehow is also a reporter with an habit of calling him Smallville; they kill Lana and show us another Lana who somehow is his highschool sweethearth and it's not half asian and currently have superpowers; they retcon Pete and make him white?
I know I would feel insulted, just like I felt with the Jimmy retcon.

But, anyone is free to have his own opinion I guess.

About the quotes, here there are:

"To me, that is the defining quality, when you say Jimmy Olsen you think Superman's best pal and that hasn't been the case so far. It's been Jimmy not really sure about Clark. That's what I hope that they develop, that really, really solid bond between those two guys because that to me is the history of those two characters."- Aaron Ashmore on Jimmy being on Smallville.

"As an actor, Aaron Ashmore has been such a great surprise because that is a role everybody knows. He made it his own and hit it out of the park." -Smallville writer Darren Swimmer

Role everybody knows = Iconic Jimmy Olsen.

[Aries83]

I think the reason this was so different from any other season finale, was because, like I said earlier, this entire episode was a cliffhanger.

Yeah, but not in a good way.

I've said this before and I'll say it again: Everything that happened happened in a disjointed way.

Compare Doomsday to Phantom and you'll see what I mean.

In that finale, everything culminated in the last 6 minutes:

The phantom finding Clark and taking his DNA
Lois getting stabbed
Chloe in Limbo
Lex underwater
Clark defeated by Bizarro.

Name one thing in the finale that actually happened in sequence that actually made sense...Nothing.

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My major problems with the finale were:

Having the episode start at night with Rokk / Lois. Why not start out with the scene in the barn where they discuss how to get rid of Doomsday?

Second biggest problem: Oliver being a jerk all of a sudden, which lead to a lack of leadership in the Justice League.

Another thing: Clark gets shot with the Kryptonite arrow, but after the break, they cut to Lois and Tess back in Metropolis. Then, cut back to Edge City where Jimmy learns the secret. Why interrupt the scenes at Edge City with Lois and Tess?

Fourth problem: The funeral scene. Why have this in a finale at all and not a season premiere? That's what should've happened with Jimmy's death. That could be another reason the fight between Davis and Clark was so short because they had to use more screen time for the funeral.

If you've read my rewrite (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128284) of Doomsday, you'll see that they actually had more than enough material to give us a better finale (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4890465&postcount=7).

Another issue: Tess's witnessing of the man emerging from the orb. Why leave us with that when she was already left unconscious at the DP after being knocked out by Lois? They didn't need her to be there.

I just don't know...It was just disjointed for me.