Is it Kalel? Clark Symbolically "dead" (metaphorically)

[bertjo44]

Did Clark somehow get into the black kryptonite and let Kalel out? He seem out of character and said Clark Kent was dead. Just a thought.

[Vandal Savage]

It could just be Clark's reaction to Jimmy's death. Everybody handles grief differently.

[Lexsghost]

He was wearing a long black coat.

[madcatlady]

He was wearing a long black coat.

He's Neo!:rotfl:

Would really be nice if Season 9 had an episode named "Kal-el"

[Grind]

I have seen a lot of posts and threads saying or wondering if the clark in the last scene wasn't the real clark. I dont see how anyone could think this..I think it was pretty obvious what happened. There was a spoiler not long ago that said along with 2 deaths their would be a metaphorical death. It was the death of the blissful head in clouds clark kent. First off, it wasn't the real clark for example, a controlled clark, or Kal-el. He would of been way different. He sounded exactly like someone who has just gone through complete hell and had their lives turned upside down should sound. He hasn't lost all faith in humanity, he realized it's not as perfect as he once thought. Because he chose not to kill davis and separate him from doomsday jimmy died and probably other innocents in doomsdays rampage. But it was the human davis that killed jimmy. Clark is realizing that life isn't all sunshine and rainbows. He just grew up in a big way. Yeah he was defiantly more emotional and will come to his senses more when he has time to cool down. He finally realizes that he is going to have to make hard choices because a lot of humanity isn't good and never will be. Its time for him to check into reality and that is exactly what he meant on his emotional rant.

If anyone would care to comment on their opinion on the new and improved, non sissy and realistic clark kent feel free.

[davidbrenton]

Agreed, Loved it.

[Superman of Krypton]

You guys are playing into it...

But I guarantee Clark will be back to normal early on in S9; this show has a very selective memory and Clark is just being emo again..



The death was Davis.....Davis Bloome is gone but his body will become Zod.

[susangail]

The metaphorical death was Clark. Literal deaths were Jimmy the Elder and Davis Bloome.

I REALLY like the new Clark. OMG, he's really grown up... at last.

[Clark_smallville4ever]

I totally agree

in the beginning of the episode clark starts to realize that Doomsday might be the thing clark had to save from mankind that Jor-El informed him about and i think at the end of the episode clark realizes that Jor-El is right again that because of his emotions to humans he made yet another bad decision

i think clark will go away and train and come back still caring for humans and the people he loves but will know do whats necassary for the good of mankind

all in all after thinking this episode over it went to a pretty good episode to an amazing episode for me... i say top 3 season finale of the series

[Tebow15]

^^^^^^

I totally agree.

[kyl-el]

I agree with you for the most part. I think that it would have gone over with me a lot better if Clark didn't sound like the "conquer and destroy" version of Kal-El. But it is a step he needed to take a some point in time.

[Grind]

I don't think we're playing into it at all. A lot of dramatic life changing things happened in this finale, not only for clark but for everyone. I guarantee you season 9 will be the most different season we have seen yet. People don't just go back to normal after everything that just happened hah. All of the characters will be different in the returning season, especially clark now that he has taken his head out of the pink clouds. The transformation has been happening with all the characters for the past few seasons now but what just happened in the season solidified it. Especially clark has been growing up more and more and leaving the old "life is perfect and humanity is just so great and dandy" behind. Season 8 we saw a big change in him and now after everything in the finale, season 9 will change even more.

The show is growing up as a whole. The characters and the plots are all maturing and as they should. After 8 seasons we can't just expect clark to be in "love" and all happy about life and humanity while fighting off high-school meteor freaks. It's time for a smallville with some real depth and emotion to begin. and I can't wait. of course the old seasons were great for what they were, but lets face it, it's a different show now.

[dru-zod2501]

I totally agree

in the beginning of the episode clark starts to realize that Doomsday might be the thing clark had to save from mankind that Jor-El informed him about and i think at the end of the episode clark realizes that Jor-El is right again that because of his emotions to humans he made yet another bad decision

i think clark will go away and train and come back still caring for humans and the people he loves but will know do whats necassary for the good of mankind.
his decision was not to kill, and if he's second guessing himself whether that was the right choice, then what does that say about his "Superman?"

[latingirl]

ITA, but now BIG questions is about who is playing the biggest pain in Clark Jimmy's death or Lois' "death"?????

[jedimorton21]

here is my thinking... what we saw was Chole thinking of Clark and talking to a ghost Clark.. i think the real Clark died while taking doomsday into the center of the earth so to speak.. and what we saw with Clark and Chole was her mind having to let go of Clark, cause he had been the one that killed him in the end.. yall know what i mean.. i think we will see clark reborn with this new threat of whatever happened the last few secs of the season.. and with doomsday dead.. the FOS may have been restored to normal.. and Jor-el will bring his son back...

but that is my thinking

as far as Jimmy goes... who knows.. the kid Chole gave the camera too.. may of been him.. it fits.. cause the Jimmy we know is not the same age rank as Lois and Clark he is about 10 to 12 years younger...

the Jimmy we know was a little old to fit that part.. but like i said


who knows

[Grind]

I totally agree

in the beginning of the episode clark starts to realize that Doomsday might be the thing clark had to save from mankind that Jor-El informed him about and i think at the end of the episode clark realizes that Jor-El is right again that because of his emotions to humans he made yet another bad decision

i think clark will go away and train and come back still caring for humans and the people he loves but will know do whats necassary for the good of mankind

all in all after thinking this episode over it went to a pretty good episode to an amazing episode for me... i say top 3 season finale of the series

I really like all of your responses, especially this one. You have gotten the point of what the writers were trying to do with this episode. The show is maturing and with that, some fans are not going to like it anymore. But now it may appeal to others who found it too immature and silly before. Bottom line is that season 9 is ganna be great and I'm looking forward to it!

[Shadowlord367]

You guys are playing into it...

But I guarantee Clark will be back to normal early on in S9; this show has a very selective memory and Clark is just being emo again..



The death was Davis.....Davis Bloome is gone but his body will become Zod.

False. Sam Witwer will be back, playing the father of Davis, who happens to be identical. It's not the same body, it's two identical bodies.

[Clark_smallville4ever]

his decision was not to kill, and if he's second guessing himself whether that was the right choice, then what does that say about his "Superman?"

I think in anyones life you make choices and after the result wonder if you made the right choice but it is the people i think that learn not do make a similar mistake and become a stronger person

through seasons 1-8 clarks emotions made him make the wrong decisions and he never learned from them... now i think he will and has

[Grind]

I just saw 2 more threads about "clarks ghost" ha. I'm sorry but are people really seriously thinking that? Have they totally missed the point and depth entirely? I mean come on, clarks ghost? hah. I don't wanna be mean, i hope I'm not coming off like that if your one of the people reading this. I'm just surprised because i got it right away and there is just no doubt in my mind hah. It seems obvious what happened and what the end conversation symbolizes.

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I think in anyones life you make choices and after the result wonder if you made the right choice but it is the people i think that learn not do make a similar mistake and become a stronger person

through seasons 1-8 clarks emotions made him make the wrong decisions and he never learned from them... now i think he will and has

Hah, again! You hit the nail on the head my friend. Another great post! I totally agree with you.

[Michael Scarn]

You are very correct on all points

[jedimorton21]

does anyone agree or disagree.. i want to know what yall think about my idea

[BackToTheLies]

I feel Clark wasn't Clark but no matter how much thinking we put into it, I guarantee you it doesn't matter because Lois is debating with herself right now what to reset for S9 with that ring.

[smallvillerocks45]

That is an interesting thought. Chloe could have imagined it all... Clark did disappear at the end of that scene. Hmm. I'm going to have to watch the episode again. I'm not sure about this... but I did wonder why the chose to make Clark fade away, as opposed to super speed.

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I feel Clark wasn't Clark but no matter how much thinking we put into it, I guarantee you it doesn't matter because Lois is debating with herself right now what to reset for S9 with that ring.

Do you think Lois even knows that there is something to reset?

My feeling is that if the deaths stick, it is probably because she went either so far into the past - like her childhood - or to the future, where she sees what has happened, but can't do anything about it.

I don't know. I'm just so confused. I'm pleased, I'm shocked, I'm anxious for season 9, already!

[jedimorton21]

thanks michael.. anyone else have an idea or something.. that is close to mine?

[jedimorton21]

thanks anymore takers think the idea is a good one?

[Kschreck]

I feel Clark wasn't Clark but no matter how much thinking we put into it, I guarantee you it doesn't matter because Lois is debating with herself right now what to reset for S9 with that ring.


Can Lois go back in time and stop season eight from ever happening?

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

And Jimmy wasn't Jimmy.

And Doomsday wasn't Doomsday.

And Lex...is not dead, but left because he's so tired of Smallville.

[jedimorton21]

hey just trying to give my ideas out... it is possible Ishmael

[crazy4clois]

Next thing we know this show's gonna end with the whole thing being just a dream... then PS will say it was so Clark could better understand how to embrace his destiny.

As for your idea, I guess it could be possible. I didn't give much thought to Clark fading away. It could be important since they didn't show what happened after the little rumble he had with Doomsday. hhhmmmm.....

[LoveHurts38]

I still miss AAJimmy sorry.

[endsxtonight]

I don't know that I buy it was all in Chloe's head, because they did say that there would be a metaphorical death, and I think it was Clark. I also, think that they could have had him fade away, as a way of showing that he meant what he said, when he said, "Clark Kent is dead." Maybe, I'm just reaching, but that's my three cents.

[ginnyfan]

I don't care. I just hope to see Clark embracing his alien side and shunning his human side next season... ghost/real/whatever.

Maybe J'onn J'onzz will come back and help him figure something out in an episode. <3

[jedimorton21]

i think for now.. clark kent is dead.. like the end of last season.. only this time... we will be found when he wants to be... which may not be for awhile

[jedimorton21]

yeah but it was a nice passing of the torch with the camera and all

[Luthor5339]

It is a metaphorical death - the death of the adopted self for the birth self.

[Tehthing]

Why would Clark die from doing that? Maybe if he fought Doomsday but he didnt, and why should he have died from the blast? He can survive a nuclear explosion and even worse, I doubt it was a ghost..But if u happen to be right it truly sucks..

[heromyth]

what we saw was Chole thinking of Clark and talking to a ghost Clark..

That Clark’s body vanished in a manner that didn’t suggest he’d just super-sped away does lend credence to the “ghost” theory. Chloe was in full-on bereavement mode so she might have been “projecting” Clark’s presence. Of course CK will be back; maybe he’ll wake up in the re-booted FOS just in time to defeat the suddenly materializing Zod—a la the bald, reincarnated badass from The Mummy, not sure. Two characters are permanently dead, Bloome and “Henry James Olson” so Clark’s still alive, technically speaking, although he’s probably barely registering a pulse and possibly still buried beneath a mile of dirt. All in all, this finale was pretty typical of past codas but the Zod reprise seemed a little, I don’t know, tacked-on, like the writers couldn’t think of anything else. Also, where’s Lois, the 31st century? Oh, and for the record, Clark flew, again.

[anewbie]

Isn't it one of Clark's trademark in Smallville is that when there's a funeral or death, he usually spread some ashes?.. he did that to everyone (Mr. J. Kent, Lex and Lionel) We didn't see that in Jimmy's so I was wondering if that's really the Clark we knew.

[Blue screen of death]

Next thing we know this show's gonna end with the whole thing being just a dream... then PS will say it was so Clark could better understand how to embrace his destiny.

As for your idea, I guess it could be possible. I didn't give much thought to Clark fading away. It could be important since they didn't show what happened after the little rumble he had with Doomsday. hhhmmmm.....

Haha as long as the dream is actually had by a kid with downs syndrome it would be fine..... oh wait.... can't do that.... it was done on St. Elsewhere. Ironically i think this could be a nice 'cop out' for the "training" that clark recieves at the fortress. Really since Season 4 "commencemant and season 5's Arrival clark has been in the fortress. The last few seasons have all been "holodeck" or virtual reality experiments of clark "training" or educating himself in the fortress with Jor-el. At the series end it all gets ret-conned and makes sense. :rotfl:

[ramjeetp]

They have kind of done the Clark being reborn storyline before in the season 3 finale. However I won't rule it out and surely the FOS will be restored but how? I hope to think we have not seen the last of Doomsday, as if Clark cannot die apart from with Kryptonite, surely Doomsday cannot die either..

ps I would like to know where Lois is though? In the future or the past and does the ring take you to a place you are thinking about?

[amalie]

I still miss AAJimmy sorry.


Lol, Are you too upset to talk about anything else? Whichever thread I go in I keep reiterating my disgust and forgetting the topic.


I was completely baffled by that final moment, I can't see any reason why Clark would just vanish.

[roccanater]

Crazy ghosts.

[Rival X The Great]

whole idead of Clark being a ghost is lame. Why can't he just have been going through something mentally. I mean what if the fight with Doomsday changed him. What if he finally realize that monsters like that finally exist. Where this ghost crap come from?

[stenochick]

Hmmmm. Interesting thoughts. All I know for sure is that Clark was acting a little off but it seemed normal for someone in shock and grief. They left out the Doomsday-Clark fight on purpose in order to leave us guessing. Is Doomsday dead? Is Clark dead? What was the deal with Clark and Chloe at the watchtower?

[Joren DarkStar]

So we get a Clark Kent who is done with his human side, and doesn't know how he escaped Doomsday and the explosion.

Heh. Anyone else see the setup here?


I think Smallville is indeed doing their own "Rise of the Supermen"

I can just about guarantee you that the CK in black is not Clark at all, but the Eradicator, programmed with Clark's memories but listening to his kryptonian programming.

We'll find out next season that Clark is still buried alive with the monster (since we know they are bringing back doomsday with a new actor in the suit).

Thoughts?

[Clark_Camp]

I agree... I only rushed through the episode... and I will watch it a few times I'm sure...but since this story line is so far behind the time line of the comics Death and Return of Superman... that this could be Smallville's version of the Reign of Supermen... the will be no The Man of Steel: John Henry Irons, Cyborg Superman or Superboy clone from Cadmus Labs... but the Eradicator could be activated if the actual Clark has fallen. Maybe the Eradicator will take on Zod and expose the Superman side of Clark to the world... setting up a clean separation of Clark and Superman to the world at the same time. Guess we'll see... I'm happy it wasn't the final episone ever... that is all I can say!

[DarkClone]

yeah, i'm thinking the same thing . . . the real Clark is either burried with Doomsday, or already in the Fortress healing . . . I still think the last scene of the show will have Clark leaving for his training, or him just returning from it in the suit and cape

but I'm thinking eradicator, and Zod in Davis' body, and in the end, Clark will have to stop them both

[Superman of Krypton]

That is so not Eradiactor.. -_-

They have set this up for several episodes now with Clark's emotional human side being his weakness; this is the result.


And Clark blaming himself is what he always does


This is very much Clark Kent... Eradicator wouldnt have got so emo and cared about Lois' well being at the end


Or blamed himself directly for Jimmy Olsen's death..



(Plus the showrunners also revealed that Clark's bad decisions in the finale would put him on a bad path in season 9)

[Snow40]

Clark Kent is not dead, he's finally realized who he REALLY is - Kal-el from Krypton/Superman, not a human being.

So far, he has lived as Clark Kent and the Super Hero has been in the background, but now he realizes he has to live as Super Hero Kal-el/Superman - this is his heritage/destiny - and put Clark Kent in the background.

Remember, it's not the person Clark Kent who happens to have a super secret, it's Kal-el/Superman with a secret - a secret that he's hiding in plain sight as Clark Kent.

Hopefully Season 9 continues to pursue this Superman destiny, and not revert back. I know we will not likely see him become Superman in every sense of the word on "Smallville",(except maybe in the series finale), but it'd be nice to get as close to it as possible. It'd be great to FINALLY see him fly, even if we don't see him in the suit.

[andyb1989]

I don't get all this 'Clark was a ghost' anyways, The death of Superman storyline was one of the most iconic of all time, they would completely ruin it if they made out Clark had died once before facing Doomsday

[andyb1989]

I agree, i think he's going to go through some worse times before he realises he doesn't have to completely cut his 'human' side off to be a good hero

[andyb1989]

I think its a metaphorical thing, Clark Kent is 'dead' or etleast for the time being until he stops blaming himself. The writers did say there would be 2 actual deaths and 1 metaphorical one, so i assume that was Clark

[amandaa125]

i think you're right. it seemed really odd when he just kind of vanished..

[Iluvgreen]

No that was the real Clark. And now he left to finally go and study with his father. When he comes back, he will be Superman.

[Luthor5339]

why are so many people confused - that obviously was clark & the arc they set up next season is a clear indication of that! he's just having normal adoptee doubts on the cosmic scale.

[redRound]

Was that Zod coming back at the end, doesn't he need a Kryptonian body?

[Luthor5339]

It IS the set up to Superman...


Jonathan: Clark, your mother tells me you... can fly?

Clark: Kal-El can fly. Clark Kent is still earthbound.

Embracing heritage & remaining Clark is what makes him Superman. It's metaphorically the adoptee's search to be whole, which is a long and complicated process and by the set up for next season - that's exactly what they intend to do. Just, like always, on the cosmic scale.

"Clark Kent is dead."

Clark’s not a ghost. He’s just going through a really tough time right now. He’s starting to question who he is.

As an international adoptee, a child of two worlds, I’ve also been going through a difficult identity crises and wondering if everything would be better if I stopped trying to act like I belong and just accept my “alien side” – my birth right.

So, why does Clark seem different? We’ve always seen him question this side of himself and now he’s at tipping point more than ever before, basically he feels it’s safer to truly accept the birth side than human side, which is really a confusing question and does reflect in how you act on things. Recently I made myself promise to recognize and hold strong to this otherness, to not forget that I am different and to stop pretending, that’s what Clark’s also done, I’m not sure if he’s right or wrong. I’m starting to wonder if it might be easier… so nope, not a ghost – just giving up trying to fit in. The writers even hinted as much… it is a metaphorical death - the death of the adopted self for the birth self.


“Home? I don’t have a home. I’ve always tried to forget I was an alien or a creature. I’ve always wanted to pretend I was human. I was raised to believe it was my Kryptonian part that was dangerous, but I was wrong. It’s my human side; it’s the side that gets attached, the side that makes decisions based on emotions. That’s my enemy. It’s what’s stopping me from being the hero I could be. It’s what the world needs now. Clark Kent is dead.”

I don't know if anyone who's not adopted can completely understand this, but as a safety precaution half of you goes numb - keeping things temporary while pretending to be normal. From Clark's speech this is definitely what he's talking about. he never really had a home, thus he can go all the way in cutting off attachment. It's not so much Krypton as being able to become a loner in isolation, because that's always been a part of him. The words he used and the way he said it, I can really relate to and can actually be found in a lot of adoption books as one of the struggles that we go through.

Attachment is one of the key difficulties of being an 'alien' - because some of us aren't completely
attached to the world, as a result of initial separation. If wanted, that side can be killed off. I can remain isolated, but I choose to interact at times in order to try to feel human and have others see me as "human."

he's having normal adoptee doubts. Bringing in ZOD now is huge, it's going to have a really strong role to play!

Next season’s going to be epic, the battle of identity being of two worlds has a lot of conflicts, trust me… Hopefully it ends in flying…

[Iluvgreen]

Yeah... Clark's gonna fly.

[amandaa125]

Cant they not have him be superman though when he comes back? dont get me wrong i'd love to see that but tom welling refuses to be in tights. So are you talking about him just having grown into the character of superman or actually going around being superman saving people and what not?

[rconner]

wasn't it said before in Crusade by Bridgette Crosby (Margot Kidder), when Martha told her Clark flew, Bridgette said that meant he fully embraced his Kryptonian destiny.

[Luthor5339]

yea, embracing his heritage brings flight, he still has to do that to become Superman. That's where it's going - even stronger now since Zod is coming.

[SnowBird]

No that was the real Clark. And now he left to finally go and study with his father. When he comes back, he will be Superman.

The Fortress is damaged and Jor-El is missing. I don't think Clark can get any training there now.

Clark could be separated by black K with Kal-El talking to Chloe at the end.

Clark being in pain from his decisions, could just detach himself from his human side becoming Kal-El.

I really don't think it was Clark's spirit at the end, but stranger things have happened.

It was vague so will just have to wait and see.

[latingirl]

in the future he is called Kal-el like in Leigion where the Legionaries or in Comic JL member talk to him like Kal... Superman is for normal Mortal, Clark Kent to Lois, Martha, Lana and Chloe...

[LoveHurts38]

Lol, Are you too upset to talk about anything else? Whichever thread I go in I keep reiterating my disgust and forgetting the topic.



WOW:lol: did not even pay attention to the thread....still in shock.....but, I will have to get over it.

[baltazor]

Let's hope the alignment with the mythos that TPTB were talking about is that Clark finally accepts the truth : He IS Kal-el. So he embraces fully his kryptonian heritage and then uses his human side to hide his real self.

[SnowBird]

Clark said, "Clark Kent is dead" and I wouldn't be surprised if he will go by the name of Kal like he did in S3 ep1 when he ran off to Metropolis. This is going to be interesting seeing Kal being only Kryptonian without his ties to humans or friends.

[dru-zod2501]

now that I've thought about it, him being Kal-El is plausible

[stenochick]

Clark Kent is not dead, he's finally realized who he REALLY is - Kal-el from Krypton/Superman, not a human being.

So far, he has lived as Clark Kent and the Super Hero has been in the background, but now he realizes he has to live as Super Hero Kal-el/Superman - this is his heritage/destiny - and put Clark Kent in the background.

Remember, it's not the person Clark Kent who happens to have a super secret, it's Kal-el/Superman with a secret - a secret that he's hiding in plain sight as Clark Kent.

Hopefully Season 9 continues to pursue this Superman destiny, and not revert back. I know we will not likely see him become Superman in every sense of the word on "Smallville",(except maybe in the series finale), but it'd be nice to get as close to it as possible. It'd be great to FINALLY see him fly, even if we don't see him in the suit.

Well said. ITA.

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It IS the set up to Superman...



Embracing heritage & remaining Clark is what makes him Superman. It's metaphorically the adoptee's search to be whole, which is a long and complicated process and by the set up for next season - that's exactly what they intend to do. Just, like always, on the cosmic scale.

"Clark Kent is dead."

Clark’s not a ghost. He’s just going through a really tough time right now. He’s starting to question who he is.

As an international adoptee, a child of two worlds, I’ve also been going through a difficult identity crises and wondering if everything would be better if I stopped trying to act like I belong and just accept my “alien side” – my birth right.

So, why does Clark seem different? We’ve always seen him question this side of himself and now he’s at tipping point more than ever before, basically he feels it’s safer to truly accept the birth side than human side, which is really a confusing question and does reflect in how you act on things. Recently I made myself promise to recognize and hold strong to this otherness, to not forget that I am different and to stop pretending, that’s what Clark’s also done, I’m not sure if he’s right or wrong. I’m starting to wonder if it might be easier… so nope, not a ghost – just giving up trying to fit in. The writers even hinted as much… it is a metaphorical death - the death of the adopted self for the birth self.



I don't know if anyone who's not adopted can completely understand this, but as a safety precaution half of you goes numb - keeping things temporary while pretending to be normal. From Clark's speech this is definitely what he's talking about. he never really had a home, thus he can go all the way in cutting off attachment. It's not so much Krypton as being able to become a loner in isolation, because that's always been a part of him. The words he used and the way he said it, I can really relate to and can actually be found in a lot of adoption books as one of the struggles that we go through.

Attachment is one of the key difficulties of being an 'alien' - because some of us aren't completely
attached to the world, as a result of initial separation. If wanted, that side can be killed off. I can remain isolated, but I choose to interact at times in order to try to feel human and have others see me as "human."

he's having normal adoptee doubts. Bringing in ZOD now is huge, it's going to have a really strong role to play!

Next season’s going to be epic, the battle of identity being of two worlds has a lot of conflicts, trust me… Hopefully it ends in flying…

Great post!!

I used to be a social worker at an adoption agency and find what you say to be true for others who have been adopted, especially those adopted from orphanages in other countries and brought to the US.

[Iluvgreen]

It was Clark. He lost his faith in Humanity... how sad. :(

[jedimorton21]

i also think that the zod symbol with the figure is maybe davis also reborn..

i wonder if the metaphorical death is Davis... once we died he could of been reborn only this time as a minion of zod.. or maybe zod himself... don't forget the orb was in the FOS last season and in season 5 we saw zod in the zone in the FOS

maybe when the Orb came in contact with the Mainframe of the FOS.. Zod was transfered to.. and biding until the time was right

[Indira Kal]

yep. indeed it makes sense although I didn't realize it at first: Clark Kent did die (just as Cosmic Boy predicted) and it was his ghost at the end that appeared to Chloe. that is why he was standing at such a distance from everyone else at Jimmy's funeral simply observing, and not interacting with anybody. it's because no one saw him...

thus, "poof!" he just disappeared instead of superspeeding away.

where is his body now? most likely getting ready to phase into a comeback by next season's premiere. as everyone keeps saying, "a resurrection of sorts."

[disciples of zod]

Clark's "death" is kinda metaphorical. Can't wait to see how this will end up!

~H

[jobookjunkie]

I agree! Clark has been through the worst experiences of his life and he is completely shut off emotionally....finally he is taking a step in the right direction. Personally I can't WAIT to see how this all develops in season 9!

[Ellsbury]

This last scene at the Watchtower was just great! Finally we see some dramatic developments in Clark's understanding of the world. I can't wait for the season premiere!!!

[Anu]

I really don't get it. Okay, Clark Kent is dead. Woow!:eek:
I mean, c'mon that just feels un - original, it feels like something we already have seen in some season or something.

And the producers say that we are going to see him going through a dark time, and then eventually become Superman. That I don't get, why should have to go through anything to become something he already was? He already was Superman.

Or get me clear, what does it take for him, to be recognized as Superman?

[DJ Doena]

It's Clark's usual "It's all my fault" routine that he played so often, especially in the cliffhanger from S2 to 3.

[Liquid-Prince]

But this time it IS his fault.

[Anu]

Yeah, as usually we are going to see Clark whining all the season. For something he couldnt have changed.

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It was Chloe's fault.

[vikingjedi]

Didn't see your thread before so I'll just post it here.

I think we're going to see what Clark would be like if he was more like Oliver. It's not going to be a pretty sight either.

Imagine Kal-El from the beginning of Season 4 becoming Superman. No emotion except anger, remember he threw his own mom on the ground. Doing things when he feels like it. Not caring whether somebody lives or dies. Ordering people around. Thinking that humanity is weak.

Oliver is going to get his wish and he's not going to like what he sees. He better not think he's off the hook either, because Clark will get revenge for Oliver betraying him.

[Anu]

I think that if he becomes a little of Kal - El, and then embraces his true kryptonian side, then he will become Superman.

[super_j_man]

It's similar to the cliffhanger from S2 to S3, but this time I think it's different. It's more like S3 to S4, except he willingly becomes Kal-El. I don't see it as whining either. At least this time he's making a clear move to change. I think he needs to go through this dark moment to get to the point where he's superman.

[devilneedsaride]

Yeah, he's going to be whining all season about things that aren't his fault. Seriously, Clark? One little psychopath and ALL of humanity needs to be written off? What, did he think the people out murdering and pillaging every day were made of kittens? *headdesk*

[baltazor]

I for one don't think it the usual whining routine. It think Clark finally understood (the hard way) what Jor-el has been telling him since season 5. That he should be careful of his human emotions and reactions.

[6-Super-Man -5]

I think he will have no feeling when he saves the day.

[rconner]

Didn't see your thread before so I'll just post it here.

I think we're going to see what Clark would be like if he was more like Oliver. It's not going to be a pretty sight either.

Imagine Kal-El from the beginning of Season 4 becoming Superman. No emotion except anger, remember he threw his own mom on the ground. Doing things when he feels like it. Not caring whether somebody lives or dies. Ordering people around. Thinking that humanity is weak.

Oliver is going to get his wish and he's not going to like what he sees. He better not think he's off the hook either, because Clark will get revenge for Oliver betraying him.

Maybe this was Oliver's wish in Hex?

[vikingjedi]

Maybe this was Oliver's wish in Hex?

Could be, that would make a lot of sense.

[Welling_is_pretty]

I just posted about this on another thread! Nice to know I'm not the only one thinking this...

Yeah, I do wonder if exposure to Black K split them, it would explain a lot!

[SupermanRox]

I completely agree that the metaphorical death was Clark's.


Originally Posted by Clark_smallville4ever http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4847047#post4847047)
I think in anyones life you make choices and after the result wonder if you made the right choice but it is the people i think that learn not do make a similar mistake and become a stronger person

through seasons 1-8 clarks emotions made him make the wrong decisions and he never learned from them... now i think he will and has


Very going point. I think that Clark's character will change drastically (I hope) into a much stronger, more mature person in Season 9.

[Christine C]

I'd like to hear what people think.

Is it Davis

Or is it Clark Kent, they were talking about. Clark does state that the human persona of Clark Kent is no more.

I vote for Clark Kent, because Part of Clark died with Jimmy, and his failure to save Davis.

I think Davis is coming back, maybe with Zod doing the driving this time.

[Sweetie]

It's more his faith in mankind that died in the finale.In the premiere,I'm expecting to see a different CK with a dark attitude,wearing black closes pretty much like the one in Crusade.

[sithius]

The whole disappearing as he walks away thing...

After that shot, it showed Chloe standing there looking deeply upset. She wasn't shocked, confused, or anything like that which she most certainly would have been had he just faded away in front of her.

I believe it was just symbolic, nothing more.

Thoughts?

[Nerf]

Yeah, I just thought it was a choice on the director's part, like where a lot of times they have someone walking and fade where they are farther away, then again, then again until they are gone. This just had one fade and I believe it was meant to be symbolic, but I thought it was a bad directing choice.

[darkphoenix21]

Yeah, I just thought it was a choice on the director's part, like where a lot of times they have someone walking and fade where they are farther away, then again, then again until they are gone. This just had one fade and I believe it was meant to be symbolic, but I thought it was a bad directing choice.

Agreed, though you get debates whether it was meant to be a statement or just something they threw together for effect...IMHO its the latter.

[Ginx]

Yeah, I just thought it was a choice on the director's part, like where a lot of times they have someone walking and fade where they are farther away, then again, then again until they are gone. This just had one fade and I believe it was meant to be symbolic, but I thought it was a bad directing choice.

I agree. I think it was just more of an artistic choice on the director's part as opposed to meaning CK is dead.

[Aries83]

What's funny is that the fade effect really wasn't necessary (at least in my opinion)

[jpfort1957]

What's funny is that the fade effect really wasn't necessary (at least in my opinion)
That was some of this last seasons low budget special effects. Enjoy!!!!!!

[Aries83]

That was some of this last seasons low budget special effects. Enjoy!!!!!!

:rotfl:

[scifigirl]

I agree that it was probably meant to be symbolic. However, in the interest of playing Devil's advocate, Chloe was looking down in that last shot. I guess that it is possible that she was so consumed with her grief that she didn't see him fade away.

[Imzadia]

Spoilers And K. Souders told us that there would be TWO 'LITERAL' Deaths in the Finale and ALSO 1 or More 'METAPHORICAL' Deaths as well. H. Jimmy Olsen and Davis Bloome were the 2 'literal' deaths. IMO, Clark Kent is the 'metaphorical' death, or at least, one of them, and maybe his relationship with Chloe is another 'metaphorical' death. Clark's Loss of Faith in Humanity after being Betrayed by every friend and loved one he had, except Lois, his mom, ...and Jimmy, May be another 'metaphorical' death as well. Nevertheless, even if Sam Witwer returns next season, his 'Body' may be inhabited by some 'other' Persona, but DAVIS really Died, too.

I Agree that Clark may come back as his 'Darker' Kryptonian persona in the premiere. I know that Clark started wearing darker clothing for the last four episodes of Season 8 as he tried to draw Less Attention to himself or suspicion in comparison with the RBB, but I also think that the 'colors' he wore reflected his declining optimism because of his GRIEF and Disappointment over his unfortunate experiences shared with Chloe, -her meteor infection, her Brainiac infection-, and how his presence in her life affected her, (And of course, The 'Lana' Incident). He felt Responsible and loved Chloe as his Best Friend, but when she started influencing his decisions by making him second-guess his own judgment and Not Accepting His Advice, even making him feel guilty about his decisions, making unjustified accusations, she showed him that she 'Didn't Trust Him' anymore. Chloe's misguided attempts to so-called 'Protect' Clark only served to KILL what they had shared for so long as 'friends and allies'. With the tremendous weight he carried concerning his Doomsday 'dilemma', IMO, Chloe's BAD decisions about Davis/DD and hiding that from him magnified everything Clark ever feared. It caused an irreversible RIFT in their friendship... as if the Heart of it had DIED, IMO.

The scene in "Doomsday" between Jimmy and Clark when Jimmy rescued him and he inadvertently RE-discovered Clark's Secret was a testament to the True Friendship they shared. When Clark asked Jimmy, "Do you trust me?" and Jimmy's honest, sincere response to Clark, without hesitation, was "Always...Ck," I saw in Clark's face an expression of Relief and Gratitude, which was so Refreshing. Jimmy's acceptance of him seemed to be the only 'oasis' Clark had among all the Opposition he faced, then to have Jimmy killed by the very person he was trying so desperately to save, rendered a Death Blow to the Faith he had left in humanity.

Then when he thought he'd Lost Lois, too, that 'drove the final nail in the coffin' of his connection to humanity. So, Clark Declared that "Clark Kent" was DEAD, denounced his humanity, said Good-Bye, turned his back and walked away from the 'closest connection he's had to humanity' for the past several years... Chloe. A 'changed' man, embracing his 'Alien' side, I suspect he's now "Kal-El of Krypton".

So, IMO, there may have been Many Deaths in "Doomsday". Next season, beginning with the premiere, we'll have to suffer along with Clark until his faith in humanity is Restored. His Journey now has to be a Resurrection, and I'm thinking (Hoping) that Lois will be a Major Presence in his life helping to make that happen.

All we can do now is wait and faithfully watch S9 to see if ANY of what I've Speculated will Present Itself. Uhh... That was My Turn.