"Jimmy" was never the legit James Bartholomew Olsen, understand this.

[SSJConan]

For those whom have apparently missed the whole point of the funeral scene. The "Jimmy" Olsen we've had since the start of Season 6 was never the actual Jimmy/James Olsen of the comics & other Superman incarnations. As strongly implied/revealed, the little brother at the funeral is the genuine James Olsen, whose older brother Henry James (<-- middle name) Olsen has been murdered. Henry was the "Jimmy" all along, hence why it was no prob for him to be so close to Clark and Lois' ages, finding out Clark's "secret", and being killed for keeps. A huge twist, no doubt about it, but a very incredible and interesting reveal in my honest opinion. I never would've saw this coming 50 miles away.

So please, those who are upset because they think Jimmy Olsen has been killed off from the Smallville mythos, understand that it was never James Bartholomew Olsen. It was his older brother, Henry James Olsen, an original character to Smallville whom happened to prefer going by his middle (and younger brother's first) name while mostly being the show's homage to the Jimmy character. Like Doomsday being trapped underground, the reveal of a younger Jimmy better lines the Smallville mythos up with the comics and for all we know, Kara could be in another type of suspended animation to keep her 19 for Clark's Superman years. So please understand, the real Jimmy is alive and well.

Feel free to comment, reply, whatever ya' all want. Just don't force your opinions over the facts stated by the writers, it was never the Jimmy Olsen.

[CKWannabe]

For those whom have apparently missed the whole point of the funeral scene. The "Jimmy" Olsen we've had since the start of Season 6 was never the actual Jimmy/James Olsen of the comics & other Superman incarnations. As strongly implied/revealed, the little brother at the funeral is the genuine James Olsen, whose older brother Henry James (<-- middle name) Olsen has been murdered. Henry was the "Jimmy" all along, hence why it was no prob for him to be so close to Clark and Lois' ages, finding out Clark's "secret", and being killed for keeps. A huge twist, no doubt about it, but a very incredible and interesting reveal in my honest opinion. I never would've saw this coming 50 miles away.

So please, those who are upset because they think Jimmy Olsen has been killed off from the Smallville mythos, understand that it was never James Bartholomew Olsen. It was his older brother, Henry James Olsen, an original character to Smallville whom happened to prefer going by his middle (and younger brother's first) name while mostly being the show's homage to the Jimmy character. Like Doomsday being trapped underground, the reveal of a younger Jimmy better lines the Smallville mythos up with the comics and for all we know, Kara could be in another type of suspended animation to keep her 19 for Clark's Superman years. So please understand, the real Jimmy is alive and well.

Feel free to comment, reply, whatever ya' all want. Just don't force your opinions over the facts stated by the writers, it was never the Jimmy Olsen.

That's good stuff

[tyson08]

Exactly, people can't seem to understand this. :lol:

[Ella]

But he has been referred to as "James Bartholomew Olsen" before...I'll try to find the episode to quote it...

[mr lane]

right when i saw that little boy i knew it

the producers talked so much about aligning the mythos and this was one big way how they did it

[EternallyWaiting]

I agree! It was obvious and I caught it immediately. I really liked Aaron Ashmore's portrayal. However, it was a very interesting twist. I know the real Jimmy is too young for this version of Smallville but its nice to know the show lined the mythos up and did a good job doing it (with this part anyway). Good job by the writers/producers this time around. Thanks for putting this out there.

[Kal-Elllllll]

great post. i just said the exact same thing about doomy being underground. i really liked this episode. seems like the writers are doing a little retcon

[Melekith]

Except for the fact that when Clark Kent/Superman comes to the daily planet...Jimmy Olsen already works there...

So now, according to the Smallville mythology...Clark Kent will have already worked at the Daily Planet for 10+ years before the "real" Jimmy steps foot in the Daily Planet. While the "twist" was shocking, I have to disagree wtih you that this move was "ok".

[Vergon6]

But he has been referred to as "James Bartholomew Olsen" before...I'll try to find the episode to quote it...
Yeah he was.

[LSF45]

Trust me, I'm fine with the idea of Jimmy's brother (or the iconic Jimmy?) being the Comics/Iconic Jimmy Olsen.

It's just slightly infuriating because we never KNEW Jimmy had a younger brother. It's like they threw him in at the end to keep fans happy that Smallville didn't make a major mistake in killing a major future character in Superman's life. It was so rushed and poorly executed. At least FORESHADOW the fact that Ashmore's Jimmy was not THE Jimmy. They never did that ONCE during this show's tenure.

That's not the way to send out a character that we THOUGHT was Jimmy Olsen. It felt like a cop-out.

[ErinN]

The 'real' Jimmy or not I'm still sad about the fact that he is gone...but it certainly made for a very interesting episode.

[ThunderMonkey]

Except for the fact that when Clark Kent/Superman comes to the daily planet...Jimmy Olsen already works there...

So now, according to the Smallville mythology...Clark Kent will have already worked at the Daily Planet for 10+ years before the "real" Jimmy steps foot in the Daily Planet. While the "twist" was shocking, I have to disagree wtih you that this move was "ok".
I don't think Clark works at the Daily Planet anymore.

"Clark Kent is dead."

[princessdiana]

For those whom have apparently missed the whole point of the funeral scene. The "Jimmy" Olsen we've had since the start of Season 6 was never the actual Jimmy/James Olsen of the comics & other Superman incarnations. As strongly implied/revealed, the little brother at the funeral is the genuine James Olsen, whose older brother Henry James (<-- middle name) Olsen has been murdered. Henry was the "Jimmy" all along, hence why it was no prob for him to be so close to Clark and Lois' ages, finding out Clark's "secret", and being killed for keeps. A huge twist, no doubt about it, but a very incredible and interesting reveal in my honest opinion. I never would've saw this coming 50 miles away.

So please, those who are upset because they think Jimmy Olsen has been killed off from the Smallville mythos, understand that it was never James Bartholomew Olsen. It was his older brother, Henry James Olsen, an original character to Smallville whom happened to prefer going by his middle (and younger brother's first) name while mostly being the show's homage to the Jimmy character. Like Doomsday being trapped underground, the reveal of a younger Jimmy better lines the Smallville mythos up with the comics and for all we know, Kara could be in another type of suspended animation to keep her 19 for Clark's Superman years. So please understand, the real Jimmy is alive and well.

Feel free to comment, reply, whatever ya' all want. Just don't force your opinions over the facts stated by the writers, it was never the Jimmy Olsen.

Yes, people don't seem to get this. I agree it was an interesting twist, but as I have been spouting on other threads, what worries me is how will they line Lois' character up with the mythos. ie: not knowing Clark until she meets him at the DP etc. Because I think its obvious now that the are going to do this.

[J_woman_power]

I'm definitely glad they explained that because I kept thinking to myself, they can't change the story!

[lane06]

so who played the young jimmy olsen? sorry ahd to ask since i ahve not seen it yet

[WickedJenn]

But he has been referred to as "James Bartholomew Olsen" before...I'll try to find the episode to quote it...

Exactly, he was.

He referred to himself as that too, and I know he said it on this show, which is why that whole thing is bubkiss.

[gmhashope]

I'm sad he's gone, but that is a great twist. When Chloe handed his brother the camera it all made sense.

[bychance]

I'm upset primarily because I really liked Aaron Ashmore as Jimmy.

[Melekith]

I don't think Clark works at the Daily Planet anymore.

"Clark Kent is dead."That's an assumption, and a poor one. If CK is no longer working at the Daily Planet at the start of Season 9...then the whole Season 8 has been a GIANT tease and would have to be discounted in its entirety.

[Superman of Krypton]

This whole show is a giant tease...

are you only figuring this out now????


They're trying to drag this out as long as possible regardless of how convoluted the show gets.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I didn't see this one coming.

[Cyclonekat]

I'm upset because he really was Jimmy, he had all the classic traits, and to retcon his name like that just so they can kill him for dramatic effect and bring in his little brother as the "real" Jimmy?
That's just kind of disrespectful in my mind.

[ThunderMonkey]

Exactly, he was.

He referred to himself as that too, and I know he said it on this show, which is why that whole thing is bubkiss.
That was the name he used to sex Chloe up when they first met?

Pretty messed up if he gave her his brothers name, and then used it all the way through to marriage.

[nipvillesmlltuk]

Exactly, he was.

He referred to himself as that too, and I know he said it on this show, which is why that whole thing is bubkiss.




Well, we all know that there's a major problem here with TPTB, continuity & plot holes :rolleyes:

[ManOfSteel87]

Yes he has been referred to as JBO. But the worst part about all this is there was never any mention of Jimmy's family other than when he was telling Chole about his dad being a drunk and all that. There was no mention of any siblings and hell apparently Chole didn't even really know Jimmy had a brother. This was not a set up thing but some BS crap put together by PS3 to be dramatic. This Jimmy was supposed to be the real Jimmy when he was brought on PS3 just decided to change that on a whim. If this was the case, I wish they never brought JO to the show.

[bigblueplanet]

Yes, people don't seem to get this. I agree it was an interesting twist, but as I have been spouting on other threads, what worries me is how will they line Lois' character up with the mythos. ie: not knowing Clark until she meets him at the DP etc. Because I think its obvious now that the are going to do this.

Yeah, this and Chloe. Now, where she is gonna fit into all this? :confused:

We all know that Lois never had a cousin, named Chloe. Will DC retcon again?

[Starkiller]

I don't understand why "Jimmy" always introduced himself to Lex, Clark etc as being "James", making him seem older and more mature, if his real name was Henry anyway. I think that whole bit was pretty stupid. Retcons piss me off. They really do.

[Theshadow129x]

was a great twist...great finale

[curiosity]

I understood the boy at the funeral was going to be the "real" Jimmy Olsen. I didn't understand how they could both be Jimmy. Thanks for explaining the name thing.

[Superman of Krypton]

That was the name he used to sex Chloe up when they first met?

Pretty messed up if he gave her his brothers name, and then used it all the way through to marriage.

Someone should find the episode where he reveals his fullname and make a thread.

Hopefully TPTB will see it and realize their screwup.


Urgh..

[davidbrenton]

Thank you. I agree with OP.


Whether or not he called himself that is not the point. The point is, this story embraces it's uniqueness...and do I think a better Jimmy is out there? Absolutely. And this show recognized it, listened to fans complaints for years, and injected a different spin on Jimmy Olsen, and actually makes the future Jimmy Olsen that much more likable (Backstory of living up to his older brothers dreams---Who actually knew Clark Kent's secret and was his friend)...It explains Jimmy Olsen...Superman's best friend.

[rebecavaldez]

I think the little boy with be the real Jimmy Olsen.

[ThunderMonkey]

Someone should find the episode where he reveals his fullname and make a thread.

Hopefully TPTB will see it and realize their screwup.


Urgh..
I hope they don't!

Retconning a retcon makes a mess messier then it would have been otherwise.

[Supsfan]

I personally think what they did was very disrespectful to AA. I think the big problem was they totally misused the character of Jimmy since they got him as well and they really had nowhere to go with him next season so they just killed him off.

With Jimmy out of the picture I think we can safely assume that Clark working at the DP next season will be a minor plotline(which is sad because they could have so many episodes focused on his journalism career instead of a bunch of stalling episodes, or episodes focusing on characters will die at the end of the season)

[Superman of Krypton]

And even if he has referred to himself as JBO...


The whole point of the character is ruined now.. his entire presense on this series has been made pointless by what they did today..

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I hope they don't!

Retconning a retcon makes a mess messier then it would have been otherwise.

I dont want them to undo it.

I just want them to realize how stupid they are.


In case the Lana arc didnt make it obvious.

[Kal-Elllllll]

i dont remember the season aaron ashmore was introduced as jimmy. anyone?

[Vergon6]

Exactly, he was.

He referred to himself as that too, and I know he said it on this show, which is why that whole thing is bubkiss.
Yeah. PS3 have some explaining to do! I swear, Lois better return to just before Jimmy dies and save the day.

[cygnusx1]

tell me about it, as soon as the kid brother was introduced my first thought was well that problem was solved

[Vergon6]

i dont remember the season aaron ashmore was introduced as jimmy. anyone?
Season 6.

[curiosity]

Someone should find the episode where he reveals his fullname and make a thread.

Hopefully TPTB will see it and realize their screwup.


Urgh..

They can just do like Star Wars and go back and edit the actual episode.

[Superman of Krypton]

Lois wont save Jimmy... remember guys

The PS3 said only ONE castmember was leaving but 2 characters die for good...

and Sam Witwer will be back as Zod... mark my words (lame I know)



Aaron Ashmore is ouuut.

[dunkman]

I don't think they were planning this all along when Jimmy came in season 6, but you never know, because Lionel was reading about Queen industries in the paper in the pilot episode. This does fit better with the story (I was bothered by Jimmy Olsen being the same age as Clark, but I came to like his character). I wouldn't call it the smoothest transition, but things are coming together.

[Carolina87]

Ohhhhh very interesting :D i feel a little better now :\

[Superman of Krypton]

It's completely convoluted.

[Mrs. Superman]

Yea I was thinking that they called him JBO before. Did they call him that at his wedding?

All I can say is MAJOR FAIL , at least in my eyes. Sure now the "real Jimmy" is closer to the mythos age Jimmy but honestly that was the least of my worries when it came to lining smallville up to the mythos. You'd think with all the changes they've made in their version, JO's age would be the one of the last things they'd need to fix. Im really dissapointed.

[Lilah]

I just hate the fact that I won't see Aaron Ashmore next season... he has been my favorite "Jimmy" of all and it all just feels like a giant cop out to "align with the mythos"....

[Superman of Krypton]

AA's Jimmy was called JBO before.

This thread is flawed.

[fan of the man]

Hey this is my brother Darrell and this is my other brother Darrell. I don't think that is the case with this, HJO like to be call Jimmy where as his brother JBO went by James, and in honor of his brother HJO, latter takes the name Jimmy.

[Chlarky]

Yeah. PS3 have some explaining to do! I swear, Lois better return to just before Jimmy dies and save the day.

I have a feeling Lois's future travel IS going to save Jimmy.

Yes, and this Jimmy Olsen was referred to many times as Jimmy B. Olsen I believe in the wedding as well.

[Lilah]

Yea I was thinking that they called him JBO before. Did they call him that at his wedding?

All I can say is MAJOR FAIL , at least in my eyes. Sure now the "real Jimmy" is closer to the mythos age Jimmy but honestly that was the least of my worries when it came to lining smallville up to the mythos. You'd think with all the changes they've made in their version, JO's age would be the one of the last things they'd need to fix. Im really dissapointed.

Yeah, Jimmy's age was the least of my worries.... what about Chloe Sullivan? How's she involved in the mythos??

[Timester]

and Sam Witwer will be back as Zod... mark my words (lame I know)

People called that months ago, when Faora said that Davis looked just like his father.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

You know a show has hit rock bottom when writers have to rewrite their own work.

Way to go PS2/3

[davidbrenton]

and Sam Witwer will be back as Zod... mark my words (lame I know)



Aaron Ashmore is ouuut.

I makes perfect sense that Sam is back as Zod. Zod and Faora made him as a kryptonian experiment....why wouldn't they make him in Zod's image?

[thehenry89]

Yeah, Jimmy's age was the least of my worries.... what about Chloe Sullivan? How's she involved in the mythos??

Answer: not at all!

I can't belive they killed off Jimmy I don't care weither his name was henry james or james bartholamew (sp).

[warriorrenegade]

Im fine with making the younger brother ...the real Jimmy. But don't make me out to be a fool. If the PTB wanted Henry to be a space filler then say so. Don't present the character to the audience, media etc.. as Jimmy Olsen.

[bigblueplanet]

I personally think what they did was very disrespectful to AA. I think the big problem was they totally misused the character of Jimmy since they got him as well and they really had nowhere to go with him next season so they just killed him off.

With Jimmy out of the picture I think we can safely assume that Clark working at the DP next season will be a minor plotline(which is sad because they could have so many episodes focused on his journalism career instead of a bunch of stalling episodes, or episodes focusing on characters will die at the end of the season)

ITA. THIS is their idea of 'lining-up with the Mythos' after all those Elseworlds-like thingy they did? Gee. I should have known better.

Oh, by the way, what about that "Jimmy on Jimmy Featurette" in S7 DVD box set?
So, SV version of Jimmy wasn't one of them? :rolleyes:

What a total rip-off! :mad:


.

[lm1212]

I have the right to be upset though, don't I? non-Jimmy or whatever was so developed on this show. Overdeveloped. Imagine if they would have killed Lois, because really, she had a sister somewhere with the same name. It wouldn't be like, "ohhh okay thaaats Lois, all is well". Everyone would miss ED as Lois. I already miss AA as Jimmy. You can't develop a character like that, to just replace them!

[Ella]

AA's Jimmy was called JBO before.

This thread is flawed.
Yes. He has been called that before. It's what we call a retcon. Can't believe some don't see that. It's no different from the whole Davis/Traveler retcon.

In case, I haven't been clear before: I hate retcons.

[Superman of Krypton]

The whole thing was insulting to the intelligence of the viewers... as most of the recent episodes have been..


The showrunners are definitely in this to drag it out for as many seasons as possible to get their paycheques.

[warriorrenegade]

ITA. THIS is their idea of 'lining-up with the Mythos' after all those Elseworls-like thingy they did? Gee. I should have known better.

Oh, by the way, what about that "Jimmy on Jimmy Featurette" in S7 DVD box set?
So, SV version of Jimmy wasn't one of them? :rolleyes:

What a total rip-off! :mad:

:lol: Exactly! It's like they didn't have enough for the finale (storywise) and had to invent some lame retcon and try and pass it off as genius. When it's completely transparent.

[Tinyeppy]

right when i saw that little boy i knew it

the producers talked so much about aligning the mythos and this was one big way how they did it


I complety agree this was a big way of doing it. I understand & accept the Jimmy death and the brother appearance even if it's so sad.

However if the producers are really about aligning the mytho they have a lot of work imaginagtion ahead of them to get rid of several storylines involving Lex Luther & don't get me started with Lana Lang.

I don't believe the producers care about aligning the myth with the comic they said before this show is it's own Smallville mythology & a different interpretation of how CK becomes Superman.

[Tatiana]

Except for the fact that when Clark Kent/Superman comes to the daily planet...Jimmy Olsen already works there...

So now, according to the Smallville mythology...Clark Kent will have already worked at the Daily Planet for 10+ years before the "real" Jimmy steps foot in the Daily Planet. While the "twist" was shocking, I have to disagree wtih you that this move was "ok".


who knows maybe Clark will disappear from the planet since he says Clark Kent is dead...I guess that was the metaphorical death they were talking about

[Kel-El]

My response to the whole "Henry James Olsen" thing was "I didn't know his name was Henry" thinking that that was just a part of the Superman mythos that I didn't know. When Chloe gave the camera to the little brother, the whole thing about Jimmy being too old all made sense. I, personally, thought it was a good twist. Maybe they should have told the audience Jimmy had a brother, but if they forshadowed this twist too much, it would have been less effective and we would have seen it coming.

Smallville's Jimmy Olsen was a great character. An "original" character, just like Chloe Sullivan, or Lionel Luthor who fit beautifully into Smallville continuity. To learn he was not the "real" Jimmy does not lessen the worth of his character.

[chlo-el]

Yeah, I see why they did this to show that the little kid is the real Jimmy. But it's a cop out. I doubt they planned for Jimmy not to be the real Jimmy Olsen.

It was like well this Jimmy isn't like the Mythos because of the age so lets kill him and hint that the real JO will come on later.

[Tatiana]

I just hate the fact that I won't see Aaron Ashmore next season... he has been my favorite "Jimmy" of all and it all just feels like a giant cop out to "align with the mythos"....


I am gonna miss Aaron, I wonder why they bothered doing the whole Jimmy's of the past for the season 7 dvd, where they had Aaron with the other two actors talking about their portrayals of the legendary Jimmy, I was so happy when Clark finally told him he was right, he had been right all along. I am still confused about this situation, but I did like the finale a lot.

[Shadowlord367]

Uhm, when this first aired I thought it was okay, but after reconsidering, no no no no no.

Aaron Ashmore's Jimmy Olsen is without a doubt the iconic Jimmy Olsen. From the bowtie to the camera to dubbing Clark "CK," there's no way that they can deny that Aaron Ashmore's character was the legit, real deal Jimmy Olsen.

And as far as "lining up with the mythos," I think that most people weren't too concerned that Jimmy was the same age.

Put it simply, I think most people would prefer a minor age retcon to the major retcon they just pulled.

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I am convinced that this "preliminary Jimmy" thing was something that was thought up by PS3, and AlMiles had AA as their iconic Jimmy Olsen.

[TazMan]

but yo all guess did the writers confirm ??

[Mrs. Superman]

The whole thing was insulting to the intelligence of the viewers... as most of the recent episodes have been..


The showrunners are definitely in this to drag it out for as many seasons as possible to get their paycheques.
I completely agree. It was insulting to the viewers, but especially a low blow for Jimmy fans like me. :(

[Hero66]

Most people were concerned about it when he came on the show...but that went away overtime as we got used to the character.

At least they admitted their mistake.

[Skaterpen357]

Here's my take: the whole JBO name-drop vs. HJO thing was a mistake. The show itself hasn't given a reason they changed the name; that AA wasn't the "real" Jimmy is just speculation at this point.

Me? I think (as SV is an AU for me) that the kid at the funeral is not named Jimmy, but still serves the same role as Jimmy does in the comics. He'll be named like "Fred Olsen" or "Billy Olsen" or something, but will wear a bowtie and take pictures and look up to Superman. So in the SV AU, the "real" Jimmy Olsen was killed, but his little brother ended up taking the job he would have had, were SV not an AU in the first place. Just as an alternative to this theory...

[smilingalways2]

True that. So many things haven't aligned with mythos. It's too bad they chose to start with Jimmy. Off the top of my head, I could've thought of two they really should've addressed first. All we have left is to wait and see what happens in the ninth season.

[Odysseus]

I gotta say, this whole twist caught me totally by surprise/ Kudos to the writers.

[Exedore]

I understand this very well. I even mentioned several times in the spoilers/theories forum that they could easily kill off AA's Jimmy and replace him with a more age-appropriate Jimmy. That doesn't mean I have to like the way they brought him to his end. This was obviously a last minute retcon and not a well thought out story which would give us some satisfaction. Especially the "junkie" arc and Clark's decision to split Davis leading directly to his death. :/

[Kryppy]

I taped the episode and watched the funeral scene again. The priest said “Henry James Olsen.”

So let’s get something straight: If your names is “Henry James” and your little brother is named “Jimmy,” then WHY ON EARTH WOULD YOU GO BY JIMMY TOO?

[Alicia Chipy]

Im fine with making the younger brother ...the real Jimmy. But don't make me out to be a fool. If the PTB wanted Henry to be a space filler then say so. Don't present the character to the audience, media etc.. as Jimmy Olsen.

ITA:mad:

[cca_25]

It took me by surprise aswell, didn't see it coming! But yeah, with the little brother at the funeral it is surely stated that he will be the real Jimmy Olsen.

[genxstillonfire]

How will jimmy show up in the daily planet hes at 13 yrs younger then clark?

[vagrant]

Didn't they say James Bartholemule Olsen at the wedding? I could be mistaken.

[UpandAtom]

there's a simple explanation. Henry could have gotten the Jimmy nickname from old classmates, and just gotten so used to it that he adopted it for himself. Also, Jimmy's agent might have told him that if he wanted to get his name published he would need something better than "Henry Olsen" and so he chose to use his middle name instead. These are just thoughts but it's nothing too bizarre.

[Superman of Krypton]

They've called Aaron Ashmore's character as James Bartholomew Olsen onscreen before..


Henry was a last minute desperate retcon.

[Kryppy]

UpandAtom, do you work on the show?

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Henry was a last minute desperate retcon.

And a lame one.

[spotteddog]

Well, I have to admit, they sure fooled me. I mean, I thought Jimmy was totally safe since he was a mythos character. It never occurred to me that this would not be the "real" Jimmy, but an older brother. Very nice twist.

[Kschreck]

They simply couldn't afford to have Aaron Ashmore on the show anymore. The budget is just that bad!

[Vovkulak]

Yeah, I think Chloe saying the line "Maybe one day you'll follow in his footsteps," meant that his little brother would be THE Jimmy Olsen.

[UpandAtom]

[QUOTE=Superman of Krypton;4847635]They've called Aaron Ashmore's character as James Bartholomew Olsen onscreen before..[QUOTE]

Can you give me an episode cause I don't remember that name ever being mentioned?

[Alicia Chipy]

I know some unimmaginative parents who named their sons Joseph Daniel and Daniel Joseph.Plus a family with 8 daughters all named Olga(they used their middle names).
So Henry James and James Bartholomew henry isn't such a stretch.

[Superman of Krypton]

[QUOTE=Superman of Krypton;4847635]They've called Aaron Ashmore's character as James Bartholomew Olsen onscreen before..[QUOTE]

Can you give me an episode cause I don't remember that name ever being mentioned?

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127271&page=2

check that thread

[NinaDavis]

Why the cops (Committed: Lois and Clark in the Talon looking for Chloe and Jimmy) will call you by your second name? Friends, im ok. BUT cops?

This is BS!

[hakavon]

I know some unimmaginative parents who named their sons Joseph Daniel and Daniel Joseph.Plus a family with 8 daughters all named Olga(they used their middle names).
So Henry James and James Bartholomew henry isn't such a stretch.

It really is when your oldest son is known by his middle name (not his first name), and you go and give it to your younger son as his first name.

"Let's see...everyone calls the first one 'Jimmy'... What shall we call the new one? Oh, I know, JAMES! That won't confuse anyone. Oh, and they'll NEVER call the little guy 'Jimmy'! Of course not!"

Yeah.

And you know, I also thought they'd mentioned the J. B. O. name before in reference to the older Jimmy.

Of course, they also had Pete use the word "kryptonite" in front of Jimmy, when supposedly nobody was supposed to ever hear that word.

Oh...

What am I saying?

That makes no difference now because he both found out Clark's secret and is DEAD! :lol:

[dimefan90]

i like what they did. as soon as i saw the bow tie i was like. THAT is the real Jimmy Olsen. because the HJO name was wrong.

[ClarkSupportsOrganic]

I believe that! The only 'powers' they use are super speed and super hearing now. What happened to X ray and heat vision?

[Rub-in]

I know
I miss those powers, BUT I think that they were used like earlier in the season but thats about it...(X-Ray and Heat Vision)

[borednow]

Pathetic retcon!

[prodigykane]

Who names their kid their older kid's middle name?....well Jimmy did say his father was an alcoholic...

:rotfl:

[UpandAtom]

Why the cops (Committed: Lois and Clark in the Talon looking for Chloe and Jimmy) will call you by your second name? Friends, im ok. BUT cops?

This is BS!

Since Jimmy Olsen took a lot of front-page pictures for the Daily Planet, it stands to reason that he might be something of a celebrity in Metropolis. It would be no different from a cop calling Anjelina Jolie or Michael Keaton by those names, despite the fact that those aren't their lega names.

[UpandAtom]

[QUOTE=UpandAtom;4847692][QUOTE=Superman of Krypton;4847635]They've called Aaron Ashmore's character as James Bartholomew Olsen onscreen before..

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127271&page=2

check that thread

that thread doesn't explain what episode it is from, and i don't think they ever referred to him as James Bartholemew Olsen anymore than they called Clark, Clark Jerome Kent.

[Alicia Chipy]

Bet poor Lil Jimmy is in fostercare since the parents are such losers.

[Jawth]

If the little bother was supposed to be the real Jimmy, would it really be that hard to cast a kid with red hair?

Anyways, they've called him JBO before. Epic fail. Chloe shouldn't have even been allowed to the funeral. It's her fault he got killed!

[LoD]

Oy, maybe I'm just from a weird family but I know of situations like this. It's what happens when you've got too many family members naming their children in honor of this or that relative and they all end up coming to the same family reunion or whatever.

I assume they just call the boys Big Jimmy and Little Jimmy or something along those lines.

Then again, maybe my family isn't that kooky. Remember Larry and his brother, Darryl, and his other brother, Darryl? Just saying ... ;)

[Sports72Xtrm]

Ring that bell...one last time...:(

[malft]

Okay kids check this out. John Wayne for those who remember him was named Marion Robert Morrison. When his brother was born his mother named the new kid Robert and changed Dukes' middle name-legally-to Michael. I rather liked the idea of the younger kid being the mythos Jimmy, it would be to honor his brother for him to use the name Jimmy.

[Dierna]

I thought that was a bit of a weird retcon. When the priest said "Henry James" I was like WTF?! And then we saw the little brother and it clicked "Ah...future Jimmy Olson..." Hey maybe his Dad is no longer an alcaholic (he appears to be re-married)??

[Lori Lemaris]

I couldnt imagined Lois being not the real Lois Lane...holy crap, I would freak out if that would happen to Erica Durance, I swear to God!

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

Retcons are what happenes when writers are creatively tapped(run out of ideas) :\

[Kal26]

I don't care how it could be rationalized, I don't think two brothers would use the same name for any reason. Unless their name happens to be Darrel.:lol: Just one more lame part of a very lame finale to a super lame season. Do they pay the writers, or do they work for free, cause with the work they've been doing lately, it should be free. I'd pay them to stop and let someone else do it at this point. The producers better wake up before they don't have a show anymore.

[Mrs. Superman]

Retcons are what happenes when writers are creatively tapped(run out of ideas) :\
Yep, and it seems there have been a lot more retcons this season than ever before. Doesnt bode well for season 9, unfortunately. And to think I was looking forward to it!

[SpitCurl]

Retcons are what happenes when writers are creatively tapped(run out of ideas) :\

I think it's more about being creatively "trapped". The show was progressing in a way that left very little to be done unless you completely ignored the mythos and committed it to being an else-world where literally anything could happen without consequence.

The show-runners always said in the beginning that it would tie into the story we knew, then said "well, we don't have to worry about showing him as Superman" when it became clear that they were skewing off course (no glasses, Lois showing up too early). So the retcons are necessary to undo what was basically a show run amok w/a mind of its own.

They still suck, but I get that their hands are tied because of how the producers allowed the series to progress. I have a feeling there are many more to come, like Lois being sent back in time after meeting the Legion to a point before she meets Clark in S4, thereby creating a domino effect where certain other convenient things are erased while some aren't (Lex will not know Clark's secret but Doomsday will still be trapped underground).

[superspider02]

For those whom have apparently missed the whole point of the funeral scene. The "Jimmy" Olsen we've had since the start of Season 6 was never the actual Jimmy/James Olsen of the comics & other Superman incarnations. As strongly implied/revealed, the little brother at the funeral is the genuine James Olsen, whose older brother Henry James (<-- middle name) Olsen has been murdered. Henry was the "Jimmy" all along, hence why it was no prob for him to be so close to Clark and Lois' ages, finding out Clark's "secret", and being killed for keeps. A huge twist, no doubt about it, but a very incredible and interesting reveal in my honest opinion. I never would've saw this coming 50 miles away.

So please, those who are upset because they think Jimmy Olsen has been killed off from the Smallville mythos, understand that it was never James Bartholomew Olsen. It was his older brother, Henry James Olsen, an original character to Smallville whom happened to prefer going by his middle (and younger brother's first) name while mostly being the show's homage to the Jimmy character. Like Doomsday being trapped underground, the reveal of a younger Jimmy better lines the Smallville mythos up with the comics and for all we know, Kara could be in another type of suspended animation to keep her 19 for Clark's Superman years. So please understand, the real Jimmy is alive and well.

Feel free to comment, reply, whatever ya' all want. Just don't force your opinions over the facts stated by the writers, it was never the Jimmy Olsen.

This is an interesting twist on things and i never thought this was going to happen.

[SpitCurl]

He will forever be known from this day forth as "Hank" :)

"Hank Olsen."

[Lilah]

Maybe they can fix it.... Lois is off time traveling maybe she can go back in time after the Legion recruit her to that moment when the RBB called her and she can warn him about what's going to happen. If this whole episode turns into what happened in Infamous I welcome it with open arms if that means that I get Aaron Ashmore back next season... if only TPTB would actually listen to the fans FOR ONCE in their lives...

[smallvillebuddy12]

He will always be the real Jimmy to me.

[Lilah]

Me too.... :0(

[smallvillereporter27]

I was miffed but I see why they did it.

PS3 (or now PS) have been working with what they were left with. Unfortunately they just managed to tick off over half of their fans...that's something Al and Miles never accomplished :lol:

[neoblackdragon]

For the record has anyone actually found the episode where he is called JBO. All I keep reading i that they have called him that before(which I dont doubt) without actually coughing up the evidence.

[Violet-Shadow]

Look at all the Jimmy icons...ah, the real Jimmy Olsen is very loved. IA with everyone who thinks that this was never planned. It is a retcon, plain and simple. I never once doubted that Jimmy was THE Jimmy Olsen because he clearly mirrored his counterparts in other media. Thus, I will continue to believe he is the real Jimmy Olsen. Maybe TPTB will see all the hooplah over this and rectify what they've done.

[bigknga]

For those whom have apparently missed the whole point of the funeral scene. The "Jimmy" Olsen we've had since the start of Season 6 was never the actual Jimmy/James Olsen of the comics & other Superman incarnations. As strongly implied/revealed, the little brother at the funeral is the genuine James Olsen, whose older brother Henry James (<-- middle name) Olsen has been murdered. Henry was the "Jimmy" all along, hence why it was no prob for him to be so close to Clark and Lois' ages, finding out Clark's "secret", and being killed for keeps. A huge twist, no doubt about it, but a very incredible and interesting reveal in my honest opinion. I never would've saw this coming 50 miles away.

So please, those who are upset because they think Jimmy Olsen has been killed off from the Smallville mythos, understand that it was never James Bartholomew Olsen. It was his older brother, Henry James Olsen, an original character to Smallville whom happened to prefer going by his middle (and younger brother's first) name while mostly being the show's homage to the Jimmy character. Like Doomsday being trapped underground, the reveal of a younger Jimmy better lines the Smallville mythos up with the comics and for all we know, Kara could be in another type of suspended animation to keep her 19 for Clark's Superman years. So please understand, the real Jimmy is alive and well.

Feel free to comment, reply, whatever ya' all want. Just don't force your opinions over the facts stated by the writers, it was never the Jimmy Olsen.


That is still the most idiotic thing I have heard of!!! So now it is so convient that there is another jimmy that we never heard of? and if chloe and jimmy were getting married, you think she would have known his lil brother, the "real" jimmy olsen.....who will be a photographer.....for the daily planet. Cop-out. It is total BS, the entire episdode was BS and the writers are BS too for forcing that crap down our throats. I am so through with Smallville after this. So now if anyone dies on smallville that goes against the mythos....we can say "Oh, they had a sibling with the same name, so ti wasnt actually the real person." :mad:

[pbush77]

So let me get this straight...

Henry James Olsen, went by his little brother's first name.

People also claim that he (later in life) referred to himself by his brother's full name.


1. Was he obsessed by his little brother, to the point of wishing he was a boy much younger than himself?
2. How did their parents avoid the confusion whenever they called to one of them... and they both answered to "Jimmy"?

:confused:

[ZeoVGM]

I understood it just fine. But it was a lame plot twist done for nothing more than shock value. He WAS Jimmy Olsen. It doesn't matter what kind of retcon they did out of nowhere.

Plus, they HAVE called him JBO before.

[Mrs. Superman]

I bet PS didnt think he had as many fans as he does, but once again they guessed WAY WRONG. Great to see all the Jimmy love. I cant believe it, they actually ruined the show for me. The P/R episodes were terrible, but this. THIS is different. :( THeres no coming back from this smallville.

[ZeoVGM]

.

[amalie]

He was the real Jimmy Olsen up until the producers decided they wanted to keep Chloe more. It's such a cop out and rather insulting.

[dru-zod2501]

To think, most of the old rancor Jimmy suffered could've been avoided if they just kept Chloe the hell away from him

[BackToTheLies]

It's not hard to understand and it doesn't make it any less cheap.

[Violet-Shadow]

I bet PS didnt think he had as many fans as he does, but once again they guessed WAY WRONG. Great to see all the Jimmy love. I cant believe it, they actually ruined the show for me. The P/R episodes were terrible, but this. THIS is different. :( THeres no coming back from this smallville.

IA. There is no coming back from this at all.

[legofreak]

yeah i figured this out ... and so, we can also think that this doomsday is the one who temporarily locked and will become another doomsday later on (the real doomsday but only doomsday have no middle name :P)

[DavidM2]

For those whom have apparently missed the whole point of the funeral scene. The "Jimmy" Olsen we've had since the start of Season 6 was never the actual Jimmy/James Olsen of the comics & other Superman incarnations. As strongly implied/revealed, the little brother at the funeral is the genuine James Olsen, whose older brother Henry James (<-- middle name) Olsen has been murdered. Henry was the "Jimmy" all along, hence why it was no prob for him to be so close to Clark and Lois' ages, finding out Clark's "secret", and being killed for keeps. A huge twist, no doubt about it, but a very incredible and interesting reveal in my honest opinion. I never would've saw this coming 50 miles away.

So please, those who are upset because they think Jimmy Olsen has been killed off from the Smallville mythos, understand that it was never James Bartholomew Olsen. It was his older brother, Henry James Olsen, an original character to Smallville whom happened to prefer going by his middle (and younger brother's first) name while mostly being the show's homage to the Jimmy character. Like Doomsday being trapped underground, the reveal of a younger Jimmy better lines the Smallville mythos up with the comics and for all we know, Kara could be in another type of suspended animation to keep her 19 for Clark's Superman years. So please understand, the real Jimmy is alive and well.

Feel free to comment, reply, whatever ya' all want. Just don't force your opinions over the facts stated by the writers, it was never the Jimmy Olsen.

Thanks for the clarification. :) I kind of realized it when Chloe handed Jimmy's brother the camera, but hasn't the deceased Jimmy been referred to as James Bartholomew before? Oh well, at least they didn't plan on just leaving "Jimmy" dead forever.

[Lilah]

Look at all the Jimmy icons...ah, the real Jimmy Olsen is very loved. IA with everyone who thinks that this was never planned. It is a retcon, plain and simple. I never once doubted that Jimmy was THE Jimmy Olsen because he clearly mirrored his counterparts in other media. Thus, I will continue to believe he is the real Jimmy Olsen. Maybe TPTB will see all the hooplah over this and rectify what they've done.

I hope so. I've changed all my icons to Jimmy Olsen icons... I really hope this is all some bad dream Clark is having that he wakes up from in s9 like s8's second half never happened.

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He was the real Jimmy Olsen up until the producers decided they wanted to keep Chloe more. It's such a cop out and rather insulting.

Just one more reason for me to hate Chloe Sullivan... I think I'll go kill her in a fan fic now...

[acciobrain101]

I can't believe they killed Jimmy...that little boy is not the real Jimmy Olsen...the writers killed him!

[pbush77]

He was the real Jimmy Olsen up until the producers decided they wanted to keep Chloe more.

I actually wonder if this is right on the money.

Tom looked different in the funeral and final scene with Chloe. Like he'd put on some weight. Almost as if they'd filmed those scenes much later than the rest of the show...

Add in the fact that Chloe initially implied that Davis was dead, but then suddenly they were in the new place and Jimmy said Davis would be fine after all. Next Jimmy takes a tumble and Davis dies anyway. So why was that extra scene even necessary, unless it was all an after-thought?

We all know they have serious budget issues, and most of this Jimmy stuff is so contradictory and mind-boggling (two siblings going by the same name... sure!) that it seems plausible that Chloe was originally going to die - but at the last minute the producers changed their minds and retconned Jimmy instead. Hence the rushed scenes. Hence the loopholes. Hence the nonsense. :confused:

[Emissary of Justice]

This had nothing to do with the writers.


AlMiles Strikes Again!

WARNING: Stop reading if you have not watched the season finale of Smallville. I mean it. Everyone else, onward and downward...

Talk about dodging a tall loophole with a single bound. In tonight's season finale, Smallville managed to kill off an iconic Superman character without incurring the wrath of the evil mythos police. I'm referring, of course, to the death of Jimmy Olsen at the hands of a de-Doomsdayed Davis. The show later revealed (or strongly implied?) that the shutterbug's younger brother is, in fact, the real Jimmy. Problem solved! Of course, that's little consolation to Aaron Ashmore, whose three-year stint as faux Jimmy ended with a steel pipe through the chest. In this exclusive interview, Ashmore reveals why he was caught off guard by his dismissal, how he'd feel about a Chloe-Clark romance, and who he thinks really killed Jimmy Olsen.

When did you find out that Jimmy wasn't long for this world?
AARON ASHMORE: About six months ago, right around the time we finished shooting "Bride." I knew that Jimmy was going to get hurt in that episode and go on a little hiatus, so I talked to the producers and asked, "Guys, where is this storyline going?" And they said, "Well, we have an idea to send Jimmy on a bit of a downward spiral and, in the end, sacrifice himself for Chloe." That's what I originally heard. I didn't know that that was necessarily going to happen this season. It happened a little sooner than I had anticipated.

Were you disappointed?
ASHMORE: Of course. I really enjoyed working on the show; to be sent off kind of sucks. But, at the same time, it works great for the story. And all things run their course. I guess Jimmy on Smallville had run his course.

Any chance he's not really dead?
ASHMORE: I don't think so. Not that I've heard.

When word leaked that two major characters were dying, no one suspected Jimmy because of the whole mythos thing. Did you think you were safe because of that?
ASHMORE: Absolutely. That was my first reaction. That being said, Smallville has taken some little turns here and there from the comic books.

So, Jimmy's little brother is the real Jimmy, right?
ASHMORE: That's how I read it. There's always been a bit of a discrepancy in how old Jimmy is compared to Clark and Lois, so this is a way of clarifying things. Jimmy [is supposed to be] 10 years younger than them, so Jimmy's little brother showing up totally makes it stick to the mythos.

What reason did producers give you for killing him off?
ASHMORE: I know when [the idea of] Jimmy coming to Smallville first came up, DC Comics had a bit of a problem because of the age difference thing. But the producers really wanted to bring the character in because they thought they could do some interesting stuff with him. I believe [producers] had reassured DC that by the end of the series -- or at some point -- they would rectify that not the real Jimmy Olsen.

[B]How do you think fans will react to Jimmy's death?
ASHMORE: It's a mixed bag. It depends if you like Jimmy or not. There are a lot of people that probably think he's a really annoying, bumbling kind of guy, which, you know, there's no doubt about that. He's not the hero; he's the everyman. And I always questioned why people got so annoyed by that. [On the other hand], I think people who are big Jimmy fans are going to be bummed. But I think it's a nice way for him to go. I think he redeems himself and [emerges as] a bit of a hero after being so self-conscious and jealous [this season]. He had a lot of good qualities as well, but he took a dark turn at the end. I'll be interested to see how people take it.

Are you a "Chlark" fan?
ASHMORE: Abso… well…. romantically, I don't know if it would work. That's yet to be seen. But there's a very strong bond between those two characters. And you can see it in the show. Their scenes together are always really great, and they're always played really well by Allison [Mack] and Tom [Welling]. The connection is really, really nice.

What's next for you?
ASHMORE: I'm headed to L.A. tomorrow to hit the job hunt. I 'm in Toronto right now, where I just shot an episode of The Bridge. It's a Canadian-produced television show that CBS picked up. It's a procedural cop drama and I get to play a beat copy, which was really sweet. It's tough after being out of the audition game for three years. I'm going to try and see what the options are.

Thoughts about Jimmy's exit? And tonight's episode in general? Head to the comments!

LINK: http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/05/smallville-excl.html

[Violet-Shadow]

If Jimmy was never meant to be Jimmy, they should've never brought him on. However, I don't believe that was the case. There are just too many similarties between this JO and other JO's. I think Jimmy Olsen was always meant to be Jimmy Olsen.

[MethosII]

Its still really sad. How he went. I feel bad for the character. oO,m

[fan of the man]

Many people name James go by James not Jimmy, it is possible that the younger brother goes by James and Henry goes by the longer form of James(his middle name) "Jimmy", because he didn't like Henry, the younger in honour of his pass brother start calling himself Jimmy instead of James.

[Emissary of Justice]

I'd think Aaron Ashmore would know more about this than us.

[amalie]

I personally think what they did was very disrespectful to AA. I think the big problem was they totally misused the character of Jimmy since they got him as well and they really had nowhere to go with him next season so they just killed him off.




I agree, I think it was disrespectul to AA and to those who had grown to love his portrayal of Jimmy. I'll confess I wasn't always his biggest fan but then we got moments like the trio fight scene in Stiletto which made me start to love him. I consider this a very disrespectful and insulting move on TPTB's side.

[LuthorKent90]

I don't care how it could be rationalized, I don't think two brothers would use the same name for any reason. Unless their name happens to be Darrel.:lol: Just one more lame part of a very lame finale to a super lame season. Do they pay the writers, or do they work for free, cause with the work they've been doing lately, it should be free. I'd pay them to stop and let someone else do it at this point. The producers better wake up before they don't have a show anymore.

:rotfl:

[Sports72Xtrm]

I don't care how it could be rationalized, I don't think two brothers would use the same name for any reason. Unless their name happens to be Darrel.:lol: Just one more lame part of a very lame finale to a super lame season. Do they pay the writers, or do they work for free, cause with the work they've been doing lately, it should be free. I'd pay them to stop and let someone else do it at this point. The producers better wake up before they don't have a show anymore.

ITA. It's just as lame as the chlois theory. If Chloe would take up the name Lois Lane to honor her cousin in the event of her death:rolleyes:. Geez that would have been really dumb. AnD this is really dumb.

[Mrs. Superman]

What reason did producers give you for killing him off?
ASHMORE: I know when [the idea of] Jimmy coming to Smallville first came up, DC Comics had a bit of a problem because of the age difference thing. But the producers really wanted to bring the character in because they thought they could do some interesting stuff with him. I believe [producers] had reassured DC that by the end of the series -- or at some point -- they would rectify that [by making it clear that he's] not the real Jimmy Olsen.


First of all he states that they really wanted to bring THE CHARACTER, as in THE JIMMY OLSEN because they could do interesting things with him. He then states that this was initially, when he first came in. Also when he says the producers reassured DC that they would rectify it, notice how the "by making it clear" is in parentheses, as a paraphrase. I'm not convinced killing Jimmy was the original plan to rectify this. They could rectify it in a much better way, though I dont think they needed to at all. Since he was first brought on there have been FAR MORE horrible changes to the story than simply the age difference of Jimmy. I'd assume DC would have more problems with those at this point. If this was the plan, he should never have been used. Way to lie to the fans of this character. To me he'll still be the Jimmy Olsen.

[pbush77]

I've read the interview, thanks. I wrote what I said after analyzing all the available data. ;)

As Mrs. Superman correctly pointed out, much of that interview is paraphrased with assumptions about the intent of the wording. Further, it's a lot of stuff like "I believe", etc. Finally, AA didn't suspect it would happen this season, which is my point as well. If they did plan something... it wasn't this. This was a last-minute change, which is why it felt so rushed and weird - and left so many plot-holes.

[LilMo]

Well someone did have a theory on a new Jimmy coming and everyone never believed him/her. Proves us wrong.

[Kschreck]

I just think it sucks that some of the worse writers on the show are going to end up being the top producers for the next two seasons.

[KSiteTV]

Has anyone been able to find yet which episode(s) Aaron's Jimmy referred to himself as James Bartholomew Olsen?

The name thing doesn't bug me too much, though. It did at first, but then I remembered my dad's first name was the same as my uncle's middle name.

[Lilah]

First of all he states that they really wanted to bring THE CHARACTER, as in THE JIMMY OLSEN because they could do interesting things with him. He then states that this was initially, when he first came in. Also when he says the producers reassured DC that they would rectify it, notice how the "by making it clear" is in parentheses, as a paraphrase. I'm not convinced killing Jimmy was the original plan to rectify this. They could rectify it in a much better way, though I dont think they needed to at all. Since he was first brought on there have been FAR MORE horrible changes to the story than simply the age difference of Jimmy. I'd assume DC would have more problems with those at this point. If this was the plan, he should never have been used. Way to lie to the fans of this character. To me he'll still be the Jimmy Olsen.

It's all a bunch of crap. I remember Jimmy being referenced in s2 and s4 as the guy Chloe met and slept with. Remember that???? And I KNOW they used Barthalamew... I just I'd put my hand in fire that they did some time in the last 3 years...

It's just killing me that'll I'll never get a Aaron Ashmore/Michael McKean (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0571106/) (Jimmy/Perry) scenes in the future... that's just so depressing...:(

[Emissary of Justice]

I'm not convinced killing Jimmy was the original plan to rectify this. They could rectify it in a much better way, though I dont think they needed to at all.How they rectify it is rather irrelevant. The death of the character isn't so much of an issue as it is the cop-out because the fact remains that DC Comics themselves didn't want Ashmore to be the actual Jimmy Olsen due to the age. Ashmore just believed it would occur later. Personally, I'm glad we didn't have to find this out at the series finale.

[acciobrain101]

I wouldn't doubt it that the age thing was just aen excuse to kill him. There are a million things worse that Smallville has done to the mythos than chaging Jimmy's age.

[amalie]

How they rectify it is rather irrelevant. The death of the character isn't so much of an issue as it is the cop-out because the fact remains that DC Comics themselves didn't want Ashmore to be the actual Jimmy Olsen due to the age. Ashmore just believed it would occur later. Personally, I'm glad we didn't have to find this out at the series finale.

I don't for a second think the producers had this planned out from the beginning, it screams of a last minute decision. They're using that excuse as justification imo.

[kiariclois]

I'm just glad the Iconic Jimmy isn't with Chloe. hahaha

[Mrs. Superman]

How they rectify it is rather irrelevant. The death of the character isn't so much of an issue as it is the cop-out because the fact remains that DC Comics themselves didn't want Ashmore to be the actual Jimmy Olsen due to the age. Ashmore just believed it would occur later. Personally, I'm glad we didn't have to find this out at the series finale.
If that was the plan from the beginning then why even introduce him as Jimmy at all? He could have been introduced on the show as Henry Olsen. There would be far fewer complaints and you'd still have that cool factor since we know he's related to Jimmy Olsen (or we'd find out). So either they 1.) deliberately deceived a significant fanbase, bc honestly if you are a jimmy fan I do not know how you could feel that this ending was anything other than a slap on the face or 2.) this was not the original plan and in some moment of wanting to shock, and believing they were writing a good story (retcon and all) decided to kill Jimmy Olsen and get DC's approval by making him no longer the real Jimmy Olsen.

I think its the latter because THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE LAST SEASON. They had two endings planned from the get go and I doubt both included Jimmy's death. ESPECIALLY if this was the last season.

Also Aaron even stated in the interview that he thought he was safe bc of the mythos. Now why would he think that unless he believed he was playing the IJO?

[Spirit Detective]

This was almost as bad as Sylar becoming Nathan.

[Mrs. Superman]

If Jimmy was never meant to be Jimmy, they should've never brought him on. However, I don't believe that was the case. There are just too many similarties between this JO and other JO's. I think Jimmy Olsen was always meant to be Jimmy Olsen.
Exactly, and why would Aaron say this:


When word leaked that two major characters were dying, no one suspected Jimmy because of the whole mythos thing. Did you think you were safe because of that?
ASHMORE: Absolutely. That was my first reaction. That being said, Smallville has taken some little turns here and there from the comic books.

if he didnt believe he was playing the actual iconic Jimmy Olsen. He thought he was safe because he believed he was the REAL JIMMY OLSEN.

[Emissary of Justice]

Why are you asking me a question that Ashmore, himself answers? They wanted "Jimmy Olsen" because he's a good character and felt he could bring something to the show in terms of stories this would enable them to do. Unfortunately, DC Comics wasn't pleased with his age and wished for a retcon eventually.

[Lilah]

This was almost as bad as Sylar becoming Nathan.

*Shudders*

I'd forgotten about that dude... why'd you have to bring that up lol

[smallvillereporter27]

This was almost as bad as Sylar becoming Nathan.

What? :eek: Glad I gave up on that show...

Too bad I'm too wrapped up in Smallville to give it up. :\

[hellnback]

i think someone said that it wouldn't make sense with clark working at the planet. cuz when clark first starts to work there jimmy is already working there. remember in the superman story, clark takes off for years and lives in solitude in the fortress where he learns everything he needs to learn about earth, it's people and his powers. after all those years clark goes to metropolis, gets a job at the planet and meets the younger jimmy. younger jimmy then has worked there already.

[amalie]

i think someone said that it wouldn't make sense with clark working at the planet. cuz when clark first starts to work there jimmy is already working there. remember in the superman story, clark takes off for years and lives in solitude in the fortress where he learns everything he needs to learn about earth, it's people and his powers. after all those years clark goes to metropolis, gets a job at the planet and meets the younger jimmy. younger jimmy then has worked there already.


Smallville makes little changes like this all the time though. In the comics Lois doesn't know Clark before he starts at the DP either, yet look at Smallville. Surely having that little difference is infinitely better than creating the iconic Jimmy, having him on the show for 3 years, then deciding to kill him off and have him replaced.

[kitty1]

Trust me, I'm fine with the idea of Jimmy's brother (or the iconic Jimmy?) being the Comics/Iconic Jimmy Olsen.

It's just slightly infuriating because we never KNEW Jimmy had a younger brother. It's like they threw him in at the end to keep fans happy that Smallville didn't make a major mistake in killing a major future character in Superman's life. It was so rushed and poorly executed. At least FORESHADOW the fact that Ashmore's Jimmy was not THE Jimmy. They never did that ONCE during this show's tenure.

That's not the way to send out a character that we THOUGHT was Jimmy Olsen. It felt like a cop-out.

I agree they should have done a little foreshadowing about a little brother. They could have put a simple conversation in a past episode with Chloe that Jimmy/Henry talks about him and his brother grew up poor but not mention his brother's name.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

For those whom have apparently missed the whole point of the funeral scene. The "Jimmy" Olsen we've had since the start of Season 6 was never the actual Jimmy/James Olsen of the comics & other Superman incarnations. As strongly implied/revealed, the little brother at the funeral is the genuine James Olsen, whose older brother Henry James (<-- middle name) Olsen has been murdered. Henry was the "Jimmy" all along, hence why it was no prob for him to be so close to Clark and Lois' ages, finding out Clark's "secret", and being killed for keeps. A huge twist, no doubt about it, but a very incredible and interesting reveal in my honest opinion. I never would've saw this coming 50 miles away.

So please, those who are upset because they think Jimmy Olsen has been killed off from the Smallville mythos, understand that it was never James Bartholomew Olsen. It was his older brother, Henry James Olsen, an original character to Smallville whom happened to prefer going by his middle (and younger brother's first) name while mostly being the show's homage to the Jimmy character. Like Doomsday being trapped underground, the reveal of a younger Jimmy better lines the Smallville mythos up with the comics and for all we know, Kara could be in another type of suspended animation to keep her 19 for Clark's Superman years. So please understand, the real Jimmy is alive and well.

Feel free to comment, reply, whatever ya' all want. Just don't force your opinions over the facts stated by the writers, it was never the Jimmy Olsen.

I giggle inside when people try to make sense with Smallville...

[Kingposer]

I have a feeling Lois's future travel IS going to save Jimmy.

Yes, and this Jimmy Olsen was referred to many times as Jimmy B. Olsen I believe in the wedding as well.


I am starting to believe that AA's Jimmy might have been a lyer and took on the identity of his younger brother because he was ashamed of his life. He stated in an episode to Chloe something about being embarrassed about his past and told her about his drunken father. Maybe it was all a story.:confused:

[Mrs. Superman]

Why are you asking me a question that Ashmore, himself answers? They wanted "Jimmy Olsen" because he's a good character and felt he could bring something to the show in terms of stories this would enable them to do. Unfortunately, DC Comics wasn't pleased with his age and wished for a retcon eventually.
You missed my point. I was posing a hypothetical. It doesnt make sense, and the only thing relating to DC that Aaron states is that they had issues when they first wanted to bring Jimmy onto Smallville. Since then there has been plenty more significant changes made that DC would have a gripe with, changes more significant than Jimmy's age.

He also suggests that PS, in order to bring the Jimmy Olsen character on, they would have to rectify the situation. This isnt clearly stated, its paraphrased. However in the same interview he states how he believed he was safe because of the mythos. Elsewhere the cast members stated their shock and disbelief, until they read the "twist" on the death. Clearly everyone believed him to be the Iconic Jimmy Olsen.

My main point is if they were gonna do this in the beginning, be honest with the fan base and introduce the guy from the get go as Henry. Except its clear that they werent sure how theyd "rectify the situation" and this horrible ending was their solution.

[jon-el87]

I'm a little disapointed that Smallville's "Jimmy" is dead.

But, at the same time, having the actual Jimmy Olsen be the younger brother of an old friend of Clark and Lois, who's passed away, might actually help build up their friendship with the younger boy. Them being old friends of Jimmy's brother, Henry James, makes them take the young boy under their wings and becomes his friends.

[Selina]

That's not the point though. TPTB sold Jimmy as the Jimmy Olson of the show for the last 3 years. You can't just kill him of and introduce his little brother as the real deal and just expect us to accept that.

What if they killed of Chloe as introuced her little sister as the real Chloe, or Lois, or Clark. See where I'm going with this?

[Kschreck]

That's not the point though. TPTB sold Jimmy as the Jimmy Olson of the show for the last 3 years. You can't just kill him of and introduce his little brother as the real deal and just expect us to accept that.

What if they killed of Chloe as introuced her little sister as the real Chloe, or Lois, or Clark. See where I'm going with this?


Exactly, it's totally stupid! :rolleyes:

[Emissary of Justice]

You missed my point. I was posing a hypothetical. It doesnt make senseSomething on Smallville not making sense? Yes, that's very unprecedented and very unlike anything we've seen on this show since Season 1.


He also suggests that PS, in order to bring the Jimmy Olsen character on, they would have to rectify the situation.Except PS didn't bring the Fake Jimmy Olsen on in the first place. AlMiles did. This was their blunder. PS just got stuck with the situation.

[Mrs. Superman]

Something on Smallville not making sense? Yes, that's very unprecedented and very unlike anything we've seen on this show since Season 1.

Except PS didn't bring the Fake Jimmy Olsen on in the first place. AlMiles did. This was their blunder. PS just got stuck with the situation.
I'm not talking about on the show, Im talking about DC and offscreen. It doesnt make sense that here is where they'd draw the line, but yet Lana can be turned into kryptonite and that is perfectly fine when it comes to the mythos? Its perfectly fine to kill Superman villains, before Superman even exists? It doesnt make sense to me that Jimmy's age is the sole reason he was killed off the show, when all these other MAJOR changes have been swept under the rug. And regardless of whether PS brought this situation on or not, they were the ones in charge of this script. They were the ones responsible for how it ended and in that case, they failed miserably. They deserve the blame.

[Exedore]

Can anyone tell me which episode it was where AA's character was referred to as James Bartholomew Olsen? I'm pretty sure the full mythos-correct name was used but I just can't remember which episode it was.

[Ultron]

Everyone thought this was Jimmy Olsen for 3 years and then he's viciously killed off, and at his funeral we are suddenly told "oh wait, that wasn't Jimmy Olsen" - what a load of crap!

I've been a dedicated fan of this series since day one, but the last season I've been watching, not because I enjoy the show like I used to, but because I want it to become enjoyable again. I'd say about half the shows this season were worth watching, but I feel the series just doesn't have any direction. And the magic this series once had, has faded away.

We have "The Red Blue BS" and "Chloe's Hostage Drama" and "Bloomsday" and now "Just Kidding Jimmy" to top it all off. I don't know what else to say. It was good seeing Lana again, I loved the LoSH visit, and I think some of the Brainiac/Chloe stuff was interesting, and I think the production value with the Doomsday suit was off the chain, Stiletto was hilarious, and some of the fight scenes were well done.

But somehow the writers felt that they had to "go there" by killing off Jimmy and make him Not Actually Jimmy as a plot device, when they could have - you know - just not killed him off, and change his identity. We've had no hint for, what, 3 years, that this character is somehow not Jimmy Olsen? The actor didn't even know. This is ludicrous!

It's not even an issue of writing prowess - these are just dumb mistakes. Someone made a judgement call they thought was a good idea for the series finale, and it was stupid. It just turns out it's a major blunder.

So yeah, I've now come terms with "Harry" Olsen, or "Henry" or whatever his real name is. But I feel I've been lied to for the last 3 years. I'm still coming to terms with that....

[Mrs. Superman]

Everyone thought this was Jimmy Olsen for 3 years and then he's viciously killed off, and at his funeral we are suddenly told "oh wait, that wasn't Jimmy Olsen" - what a load of crap!

I've been a dedicated fan of this series since day one, but the last season I've been watching, not because I enjoy the show like I used to, but because I want it to become enjoyable again. I'd say about half the shows this season were worth watching, but I feel the series just doesn't have any direction. And the magic this series once had, has faded away.

We have "The Red Blue BS" and "Chloe's Hostage Drama" and "Bloomsday" and now "Just Kidding Jimmy" to top it all off. I don't know what else to say. It was good seeing Lana again, I loved the LoSH visit, and I think some of the Brainiac/Chloe stuff was interesting, and I think the production value with the Doomsday suit was off the chain, Stiletto was hilarious, and some of the fight scenes were well done.

But somehow the writers felt that they had to "go there" by killing off Jimmy and make him Not Actually Jimmy as a plot device, when they could have - you know - just not killed him off, and change his identity. We've had no hint for, what, 3 years, that this character is somehow not Jimmy Olsen? The actor didn't even know. This is ludicrous!

It's not even an issue of writing prowess - these are just dumb mistakes. Someone made a judgement call they thought was a good idea for the series finale, and it was stupid. It just turns out it's a major blunder.

So yeah, I've now come terms with "Harry" Olsen, or "Henry" or whatever his real name is. But I feel I've been lied to for the last 3 years. I'm still coming to terms with that....
So much WORD!

[FLyxNERD]

Has anyone been able to find yet which episode(s) Aaron's Jimmy referred to himself as James Bartholomew Olsen?

The name thing doesn't bug me too much, though. It did at first, but then I remembered my dad's first name was the same as my uncle's middle name.

i dont think they ever referred him as JBO..im lookin back thru the episodes and havent found anything yet...all ive heard is either Jimmy Olsen or James Olsen...

----- Added 16 Minutes later -----

there was a scene i found where Chloe is about to introduce Jimmy to someone but Jimmy steps in and says "the name is James" and chloe goes "since when?"

[Rocky]

At the funeral we saw some kid who played jimmy little tyke, thats someone new next season.. cause in the interview with Aaron Ashmore.. jimmy is actually 10 years younger then clark and lois.. so this kid in essences is the new character, that was in a early superman comic, that jimmy was a young boy,

[endsxtonight]

I'm upset because he really was Jimmy, he had all the classic traits, and to retcon his name like that just so they can kill him for dramatic effect and bring in his little brother as the "real" Jimmy?
That's just kind of disrespectful in my mind.

I agree with you, completely. It irks me, that people are expecting other's to "recognize" that this was "not" the real Jimmy, and to respect that. But, at the same time, the same respect isn't being given. I'm not meaning to start anything, I'm just pointing out, that people's opinions will vary on the subject. For me, personally, this was THE REAL Jimmy Olsen. And, if the show runners think that I'm about to believe that it wasn't, then they're much more ridiculous than I ever gave them credit for.

THIS Jimmy, had all of the classic traits of the iconic Jimmy Olsen, and as far as I'm concerned AA will be MY JIMMY of Smallville, and no killing him off for dramatic effect is EVER going to change that.


Imagine if they would have killed Lois, because really, she had a sister somewhere with the same name. It wouldn't be like, "ohhh okay thaaats Lois, all is well". Everyone would miss ED as Lois. I already miss AA as Jimmy. You can't develop a character like that, to just replace them!

Excellent point, you make. Nothing about kill off "this" Jimmy, makes any sense to me. Because, in my mind, he IS Jimmy Olsen.

And whoever said they felt lied to over the course of three years, yeah...I'm right there with you.

[Emissary of Justice]

I'm not talking about on the show, Im talking about DC and offscreen. It doesnt make sense that here is where they'd draw the line, but yet Lana can be turned into kryptonite and that is perfectly fine when it comes to the mythos? Its perfectly fine to kill Superman villains, before Superman even exists? It doesnt make sense to me that Jimmy's age is the sole reason he was killed off the show, when all these other MAJOR changes have been swept under the rug.Few things about Smallville have ever made sense. Few things that Dan DiDio (DC Comics' Executive Editor) does have ever made sense. I'm guessing you just weren't aware of the second one.


And regardless of whether PS brought this situation on or not, they were the ones in charge of this script. They were the ones responsible for how it ended and in that case, they failed miserably. They deserve the blame.Except the execution here was irrelevant. The retcon was always going to be seen as an "EPIC FAIL" in the eyes of long-time viewers.

[krpto]

This was almost as bad as Sylar becoming Nathan.
actually I think its worse with heroes nathan could eventually ressurrect and sylar could go back to being just sylar but what they did with smallville was kill jimmy and say don't worry were gonna say we wasn't really jimmy this random little kids is and not only that he is fake jimmy's little brother.

[Minamostaza]

His little brother that appeared on the funeral is the real Jimmy Olsen. According to the comics Jimmy is too way younger than Lois and Clark. I just can't beliebe they did that. This is why a show based on a comic book story should stay in place and no break any rules so then they can "fix" everything like the writers think they did with last night's episode.

[roccanater]

His little brother definatley gave it away. The real Jimmy Olsen is like 10 or 12.

[\S/Fanatic]

So Jimmy Olsen, the one that died, has a younger brother also called Jimmy Olsen?

[Krypto_marcus]

Someone should find the episode where he reveals his fullname and make a thread.

Hopefully TPTB will see it and realize their screwup.


Urgh..

Well, maybe they were forced to do something. Maybe Ashmore wanted out.

[wafflles87]

So Jimmy Olsen, the one that died, has a younger brother also called Jimmy Olsen?

Maybe his younger brother takes Jimmy's name to honor him :rolleyes:

[amalie]

Well, maybe they were forced to do something. Maybe Ashmore wanted out.

AA didn't want out judging by his interview with Ausiello

[doogieman]

During the funeral the preacher said "Jimmy's" name was Harry James Olsen. So he must have preferred using his middle name. His little brother's first name must be Jim or James (a.k.a. Jimmy).

[\S/Fanatic]

During the funeral the preacher said "Jimmy's" name was Harry James Olsen. So he must have preferred using his middle name. His little brother's first name must be Jim or James (a.k.a. Jimmy).

Ahh ok ok thx for that. I really didnt catch that

[LoveHurts38]

He didn't Amalie plus, he grew close to the crew. No wonder CF was saying in all her interviews how she wanted to work with AA...CF was hinting.

[Honey45]

I think the real problem here is that we are supposed to assume the little brother will grow up to act, dress and talk EXACTLY like the Jimmy we have seen for the past few seasons.

He will have the exact same mannerisms, he will use the exact same language and nicknames. ...Really ????

[SSJConan]

AA's Jimmy was called JBO before.

This thread is flawed.

Then please, point out the specific episode he was called James Bartholomew Olsen. Because to the best of my knowledge and memory, he never was. Not even in "Bride", given the "I pronounce you" was offscreen. So show the proof and I'll agree this "Retcon" was screwed up. But as it stands, "Jimmy" was never called by his younger brother's full name. Unless otherwise, please stop saying he was.


Aaron Ashmore's Jimmy Olsen is without a doubt the iconic Jimmy Olsen. From the bowtie to the camera to dubbing Clark "CK," there's no way that they can deny that Aaron Ashmore's character was the legit, real deal Jimmy Olsen.

They call it "homages" for a reason. SAME thing happened with Lindsey-Kara back at the end of Season 3, where they went so far as to have Clark call her his "cousin from California". Henry James was basically the show's giant homage to Jimmy Olsen, much as Chloe had been a parallel to Lois in the early years, except this was much more explicit and twisting.

[\S/Fanatic]

It is pretty cheap... I miss Smallville, the way it was around season 4 and 5

[chloisfan]

Poor ending for Jimmy.

[wafflles87]

I get that it wasn't THE Jimmy Olsen that was killed.

THAT's what made me MAD as hell. If they would've let him die as James Bartholomew Olsen, I still would've been pissed, but not AS pissed as I am now.

They deceived us for three years. They developed a character who resembles Jimmy Olsen, CALLED the character Jimmy Olsen, and now I'm supposed to think "Oh.. it wasn't Jimmy. Oh, ok, cool."

Uh-uh. Not happening.

What was my main problem with the Chlois idea? Disrespecting ED's character. EXACTLY the same thing here. They totally disrespected Aaron's character, and for that alone I hope the ones who came up with the idea will burn in hell for all eternity!! :mad::mad::mad:

[SSJConan]

Poor ending for Jimmy.

See this thread (http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127271). Quoted from me:


For those whom have apparently missed the whole point of the funeral scene. The "Jimmy" Olsen we've had since the start of Season 6 was never the actual Jimmy/James Olsen of the comics & other Superman incarnations. As strongly implied/revealed, the little brother at the funeral is the genuine James Olsen, whose older brother Henry James (<-- middle name) Olsen has been murdered. Henry was the "Jimmy" all along, hence why it was no prob for him to be so close to Clark and Lois' ages, finding out Clark's "secret", and being killed for keeps. A huge twist, no doubt about it, but a very incredible and interesting reveal in my honest opinion. I never would've saw this coming 50 miles away.

So please, those who are upset because they think Jimmy Olsen has been killed off from the Smallville mythos, understand that it was never James Bartholomew Olsen. It was his older brother, Henry James Olsen, an original character to Smallville whom happened to prefer going by his middle (and younger brother's first) name while mostly being the show's homage to the Jimmy character. Like Doomsday being trapped underground, the reveal of a younger Jimmy better lines the Smallville mythos up with the comics and for all we know, Kara could be in another type of suspended animation to keep her 19 for Clark's Superman years. So please understand, the real Jimmy is alive and well.

[DarkClone]

exactly what he said . . . the little bro is the Jimmy from the movies

[natbug]

I must have missed it, I didn't hear anybody say the boy's name at the funeral. I heard Chloe say, "You must be Jimmy's little brother? ... He would have wanted you to have this. Maybe someday you'll follow in his footsteps."

******

Does she say something else while putting the camera around his neck? Did anyone actually say the boys name?

Please straighten me out on this one.

***************

Also, wrt the Henry James Olsen part - in my neck of the woods a lot of people are know by their middle names. Most of the time we (outside the family) learn what the first name was at a funeral.

[Isabel14]

I'm the only one who liked the actor who played the little brother of Jimmy? I'm still pissed off with Jimmy's death but I thought he was cute..

[Lilah]

I get that it wasn't THE Jimmy Olsen that was killed.

THAT's what made me MAD as hell. If they would've let him die as James Bartholomew Olsen, I still would've been pissed, but not AS pissed as I am now.

They deceived us for three years. They developed a character who resembles Jimmy Olsen, CALLED the character Jimmy Olsen, and now I'm supposed to think "Oh.. it wasn't Jimmy. Oh, ok, cool."

Uh-uh. Not happening.

What was my main problem with the Chlois idea? Disrespecting ED's character. EXACTLY the same thing here. They totally disrespected Aaron's character, and for that alone I hope the ones who came up with the idea will burn in hell for all eternity!! :mad::mad::mad:

SO MUCH WORD! I'm high fiving you over the screen right now!

I so want to go to Comic Con and bring this up.... :mad:

[rustymkl2]

Well i liked him also but was glad to see how the reset some things for the Superman mythos back to how they should be.

[Billy Jor-El]

I don't have a lot of time now to post (or read up on all the posts on this thread, sorry), but it all hit me like a speeding locomotive when I heard "Henry James..." and then saw Chloe give the young Olsen the camera. OMG.... HE'S the true "cub reporter"...or will be (OK, I don't recall AA being referred to as "James Bartholomew" in the past, but gee, are there ever plot holes in SV? :). I still see a time line shift likely as we get to S9, but all in all I loved the finale; sure, some things are annoying, I'll save thsoe for the proper thread.

[Mrs. Superman]

Few things about Smallville have ever made sense. Few things that Dan DiDio (DC Comics' Executive Editor) does have ever made sense. I'm guessing you just weren't aware of the second one.

Except the execution here was irrelevant. The retcon was always going to be seen as an "EPIC FAIL" in the eyes of long-time viewers.
Im not sure how your posts are supposed to be a response to mine when all you do is state the same thing over while ignoring/disregarding whatever I say in my posts.

I see you dont agree with my point of view and I clearly dont agree with yours. But summing up this horrible ending to Jimmy's arc with the excuse that "few things about smallville ever made sense" is redundant and ridiculous. There are a few things as an audience member I expect from my show and as much as Smallvilles pushed me before, last night they crossed the line. That was a first.

PS I am a comic book reader, and a major Superman mythos fan, so yes I know who Dan Didio is and I still dont agree with your assessment.

[mr lane]

i posted this in another jimmy thread but ill post it here too

the show gives me 3 years of AA playing a jimmy olsen

who

1. is named James Olsen (so we thought)

2. was a great wholesome guy (at first)

3. wore bow ties

4. called clark CK

5. pimped clois

6. had red hair (at first)

and in a few short eps you turn this great guy into something completely different just to tell me he is not the real Jimmy Olsen?!?!?!

and you expect me to believe his "brother" is the real James Olsen and is just going to happen to have the same characteristics as his older brother later on in life?

well smallville you can take that and stuff it because im not believing that for one second

[GirlsInComics]

Who the hell goes around calling themselves by their middle name, if it's their little brother's first name? Just to irritate them?

[costas22]

i posted this in another jimmy thread but ill post it here too

the show gives me 3 years of AA playing a jimmy olsen

who

1. is named James Olsen (so we thought)

2. was a great wholesome guy (at first)

3. wore bow ties

4. called clark CK

5. pimped clois

6. had red hair (at first)

and in a few short eps you turn this great guy into something completely different just to tell me he is not the real Jimmy Olsen?!?!?!

and you expect me to believe his "brother" is the real James Olsen and is just going to happen to have the same characteristics as his older brother later on in life?

well smallville you can take that and stuff it because im not believing that for one second

ITA

[mangotango]

Trust me, I'm fine with the idea of Jimmy's brother (or the iconic Jimmy?) being the Comics/Iconic Jimmy Olsen.

It's just slightly infuriating because we never KNEW Jimmy had a younger brother. It's like they threw him in at the end to keep fans happy that Smallville didn't make a major mistake in killing a major future character in Superman's life. It was so rushed and poorly executed. At least FORESHADOW the fact that Ashmore's Jimmy was not THE Jimmy. They never did that ONCE during this show's tenure.

That's not the way to send out a character that we THOUGHT was Jimmy Olsen. It felt like a cop-out.

ITA. That's my problem. They never bothered to mention he had a brother, and the whole thing just came out of nowhere. But then, why should I expect any different? This show pulls this sort of thing all the time.

[boywithbluehanger]

I think it was an honest mistake on the writers' parts. After all, this season has proven that many of them really either didn't pay close attention to past episodes in the series or even watched it at all prior to contributing. And it's not like they are any longer surrounded by people who care about continuity.


Just add it to the long list of all the upsetting, stupid, errors they've made this season.

[Mrs. Superman]

i posted this in another jimmy thread but ill post it here too

the show gives me 3 years of AA playing a jimmy olsen

who

1. is named James Olsen (so we thought)

2. was a great wholesome guy (at first)

3. wore bow ties

4. called clark CK

5. pimped clois

6. had red hair (at first)

and in a few short eps you turn this great guy into something completely different just to tell me he is not the real Jimmy Olsen?!?!?!

and you expect me to believe his "brother" is the real James Olsen and is just going to happen to have the same characteristics as his older brother later on in life?

well smallville you can take that and stuff it because im not believing that for one second
EXACTLY! And it sucks when, as the audience, we cant take the writing seriously. If I didnt love the characters as much as I do, I wouldnt be watching this show. The overall writing of this show, absolutely stinks. Please sign up somebody who can insert an interesting plot with a smart twist, because what we saw last night was the complete opposite. The guest writers are so much better than the showrunners.

[mr lane]

EXACTLY! And it sucks when, as the audience, we cant take the writing seriously. If I didnt love the characters as much as I do, I wouldnt be watching this show. The overall writing of this show, absolutely stinks. Please sign up somebody who can insert an interesting plot with a smart twist, because what we saw last night was the complete opposite. The guest writers are so much better than the showrunners.

ITA

like brian q miller, hes a great writer and knows how to incorporate the mythos the right way

what i saw last night were ideas the writers grabbed from somewhere but not the comics

[Iluvgreen]

It didn't exactly say that Jimmy's younger brother's name was James... But I absolutely agree. It's what came to mind. And when Chloe gave him the camera.... it was moving. I started crying. I love Henry James Olsen! I will always love him. But he isn't the real one from the comic books. That makes him death somewhat easier to understand. The producers can't kill Jimmy Olsen... but they haven't. That part reassured me that Smallville is actually at least trying to get closer to the mythology.

[krpto]

i posted this in another jimmy thread but ill post it here too

the show gives me 3 years of AA playing a jimmy olsen

who

1. is named James Olsen (so we thought)

2. was a great wholesome guy (at first)

3. wore bow ties

4. called clark CK

5. pimped clois

6. had red hair (at first)

and in a few short eps you turn this great guy into something completely different just to tell me he is not the real Jimmy Olsen?!?!?!

and you expect me to believe his "brother" is the real James Olsen and is just going to happen to have the same characteristics as his older brother later on in life?

well smallville you can take that and stuff it because im not believing that for one second

exactly why AA will always be smallville's real jimmy olsen even if they bring in his little brother and have him start going by jimmy like his big brother did to honor his big bro and taking pictures I still will just see him as jimmy's kid bro who was brought in so they could kill jimmy.

----- Added 3 Minutes later -----


It didn't exactly say that Jimmy's younger brother's name was James... But I absolutely agree. It's what came to mind. And when Chloe gave him the camera.... it was moving. I started crying. I love Henry James Olsen! I will always love him. But he isn't the real one from the comic books. That makes him death somewhat easier to understand. The producers can't kill Jimmy Olsen... but they haven't. That part reassured me that Smallville is actually at least trying to get closer to the mythology.
but that made it worse he was jimmy olsen the iconic one then for whater reason (they claim it was dc that said too) they chose to kill him off and then say oh he is no longer really jimmy olsen he is jimmy olsen's dead older brother who just so happened ton work for the daily planet and go by jimmy olsen (please they just wanted to kill him off and they thought if we give his brother the camera we can get away with it because well the jimmy we are killing doesn't have any fans left because everyone hated that we put him with chloe and then dragged him in the mud.

[Joe Kahn]

If TPTB really want to throw us for a loop, they hire Aaron to play the "real" Jimmy Olsen, 12 years later.

[Iluvgreen]

but that made it worse he was jimmy olsen the iconic one then for whater reason (they claim it was dc that said too) they chose to kill him off and then say oh he is no longer really jimmy olsen he is jimmy olsen's dead older brother who just so happened ton work for the daily planet and go by jimmy olsen (please they just wanted to kill him off and they thought if we give his brother the camera we can get away with it because well the jimmy we are killing doesn't have any fans left because everyone hated that we put him with chloe and then dragged him in the mud.

Jimmy still has fans. It was a twist. and I will miss him tonz, but I just think it is a really neat twist.

[Tsigaro]

Exactly, people can't seem to understand this. :lol:


i didnt like it at first.. but now i realize thats its all perfect... it fits in amazingly


i will miss AA though

[chumpy]

Has anyone been able to find yet which episode(s) Aaron's Jimmy referred to himself as James Bartholomew Olsen?

The name thing doesn't bug me too much, though. It did at first, but then I remembered my dad's first name was the same as my uncle's middle name.

At first the name thing really ticked me off from the standpoint of, "Who does that!?!?" then I too had the revelation that my dad's middle name is his younger brother's first name. I'm still indignant about the twist, but when my own family has the precedent nothing I can do but grind my teeth in silence.

[EternalRage]

You guys are all wrong. It wasn't THE Jimmy Olsen, AA was actually Bobby Drake.

Davis vs Iceman was the first battle in Season 9's DC vs Marvel showdown.

[Selina]

Whether it's legitimate or not, the viewers were sold Jimmy Olsen (photographer at the DP) as the iconic Jimmy Olsen of the show. He also embodied the classic Jimmy traits. Bottom line is we got to know him as Jimmy. The writers made it clear he was Jimmy - over three years. AA did a bang up job in portraying the character. He is OUR Jimmy Olsen..... and then what, in the space of 30 minutes, he's not Jimmy. He's just a guy who happened to be called Jimmy Olsen. The real iconic Jimmy who has been well known in the mythos is actually his 12 year old brother and what we had was basically an imitation. What tripe!

Honestly, I expect something like this to come out of (past soaps) Dallas or Sunset Beach.

[Kal26]

I don't think they ever said the kids name natbug. The problem with Henry James Olsen is that the Jimmy from the comics was James Bartholomew Olsen. I'm pretty sure our Jimmy even said that was his name somewhere on the show. So changing it at the last minute to retcon the character is pretty lame. Also, it is possible that two brothers would have the name James somewhere in their full names, but it's pretty unlikely that they would both go by Jimmy. It's also kind of unhealthy if the younger brother later calls himself Jimmy in tribute to his dead brother. It would be like he was trying to live his brothers life.

[Aries83]

I'm not sure if this has been said yet in this thread, but for all of you who are currently mad at the producers:

The problem of Jimmy Olsen was an inherited one because at the time Jimmy was introduced, the show was still being run by AlMiles, so if you want someone to blame for whatever wrong you felt transpired last night, blame them because they were the ones who wanted him the show when DC did not.

Because AlMiles got their way, they ultimately make PS3 (or PS2, whatever they're being called now) bear the brunt of the backlash, which really isn't fair.

[mr lane]

I'm not sure if this has been said yet in this thread, but for all of you who are currently mad at the producers:

The problem of Jimmy Olsen was an inherited one because at the time Jimmy was introduced, the show was still being run by AlMiles, so if you want someone to blame for whatever wrong you felt transpired last night, blame them because they were the ones who wanted him the show when DC did not.

Because AlMiles got their way, they ultimately make PS3 (or PS2, whatever they're being called now) bear the brunt of the backlash, which really isn't fair.

i think TBTB could have found a better way to get rid of the "fake" jimmy other than killing him off or giving us episodes like Stiletto where they show us iconic Lois, Jimmy and Clark

[darkphoenix21]

I'm not sure if this has been said yet in this thread, but for all of you who are currently mad at the producers:

The problem of Jimmy Olsen was an inherited one because at the time Jimmy was introduced, the show was still being run by AlMiles, so if you want someone to blame for whatever wrong you felt transpired last night, blame them because they were the ones who wanted him the show when DC did not.

Because AlMiles got their way, they ultimately make PS3 (or PS2, whatever they're being called now) bear the brunt of the backlash, which really isn't fair.

This is a great observation. I can't believe how much backlash the death of Jimmy is having when the new producers were clever enough to reintroduce the iconic Jimmy Olsen as Henry's little brother. IMHO though Aaron Ashmore was credited in the cast as a regular cast member he always felt to me like a guest star.

[Aries83]

TBTB could have found a better way to get rid of the "fake" jimmy other than killing him off

Ok, what should they have done, let both brothers co-exist so that people could complain that it didn't match up with canon like they're doing now?

Either way, people are going to get pissed so what's the point in trying to make a point of what they should've done when what they should've done wouldn't have made one bit of difference?

The point is: The Jimmy Olsen that left the show last night was an issue the previous producers left for them to clean up. Again, they're receiving backlash over an issue they had nothing to do with when the decision was first made to introduce him on the show as a series regular.

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This is a great observation. I can't believe how much backlash the death of Jimmy is having when the new producers were clever enough to reintroduce the iconic Jimmy Olsen as Henry's little brother.

Thank you. Last night, I was like many fans...wondering "WTF was that?," but if you stop to think about who was running the show back then, you'll see that PS2 aren't responsible because they were ultimately told by DC Comics that it had to be rectified. Everyone is jumping on PS2 like they've committed some sort of sin, but what they should be doing is sending hate mail to DC Comics or AlMiles.

With that said, the death happening so quickly (just after Jimmy learned the secret) probably hasn't helped quell the fury of fans.

[lm1212]

You guys are all wrong. It wasn't THE Jimmy Olsen, AA was actually Bobby Drake.

Davis vs Iceman was the first battle in Season 9's DC vs Marvel showdown.

:lol: Bobby drake was played by AA's twin brother.

[Kal26]

I'm not sure if this has been said yet in this thread, but for all of you who are currently mad at the producers:

The problem of Jimmy Olsen was an inherited one because at the time Jimmy was introduced, the show was still being run by AlMiles, so if you want someone to blame for whatever wrong you felt transpired last night, blame them because they were the ones who wanted him the show when DC did not.

Because AlMiles got their way, they ultimately make PS3 (or PS2, whatever they're being called now) bear the brunt of the backlash, which really isn't fair.

If DC didn't want him on the show, he wouldn't have been. PS3 are making the decisions now, and this crap can't be blamed on almiles. I never had this bad of a taste in my mouth when they were working on the show. This is the second story arc PS3 have completely ruined, and have almost made the show I love unbearable to watch. Say what you will about almiles, but this blame has to belong to PS3.

[Selina]

i think TBTB could have found a better way to get rid of the "fake" jimmy other than killing him off or giving us episodes like Stiletto where they show us iconic Lois, Jimmy and Clark

I could have lived with thier decision if they just allowed him to leave, like Kara and Martha did.

Instead the labled Jimmy a fake in not so many words.

[mr lane]

I could have lived with thier decision if they just allowed him to leave, like Kara and Martha did.

Instead the labled Jimmy a fake in not so many words.

Agreed

this gives them free reign to label other characters as fake now

[Degobunny]

If DC didn't want him on the show, he wouldn't have been. PS3 are making the decisions now, and this crap can't be blamed on almiles. I never had this bad of a taste in my mouth when they were working on the show. This is the second story arc PS3 have completely ruined, and have almost made the show I love unbearable to watch. Say what you will about almiles, but this blame has to belong to PS3.

Aaron Ashmore explained that his character was never meant to be the real Jimmy and that was the understanding between AlMiles and DC. So excuse if I find it redicules that people are complaining about PS3 cleaning up the mess AlMiles left them with.

[Aries83]

Aaron Ashmore explained that his character was never meant to be the real Jimmy and that was the understanding between AlMiles and DC. So excuse if I find it redicules that people are complaining about PS3 cleaning up the mess AlMiles left them with.

That's exactly what I've been trying to say. The backlash isn't without merit, but misguided.

[natbug]

I don't think they ever said the kids name natbug. The problem with Henry James Olsen is that the Jimmy from the comics was James Bartholomew Olsen. I'm pretty sure our Jimmy even said that was his name somewhere on the show. So changing it at the last minute to retcon the character is pretty lame. Also, it is possible that two brothers would have the name James somewhere in their full names, but it's pretty unlikely that they would both go by Jimmy. It's also kind of unhealthy if the younger brother later calls himself Jimmy in tribute to his dead brother. It would be like he was trying to live his brothers life.

Thanks for answering the question. And, I understand the rest of your post. Then the question becomes:

Why assume he is Jimmy's brother named Jimmy? Chloe was guessing as to who this boy is. He nor anyone else confirmed it. Couldn't he just as easily be a cousin named Jimmy Bartholomew Olsen?

And let's say they are brothers (I guess Chloe should know if Henry James had a little brother), Henry James could have been called Jimmy and James Bartholomew could have been called Bart by friends and family members. Tribute or not, as a young adult he may have decided he doesn't like to be called Bart, but perfers Jimmy. For years I didn't like my name. I was the only one in my elementary school, Jr. High, and Sr. High School (student population about 1600 JH and SH) with my name. Not until my senior year did I meet another student with the same name. I like my name now. So I can buy Jimmy B not liking his middle name and wanting to be called by his first name.

[Kal26]

Aaron Ashmore explained that his character was never meant to be the real Jimmy and that was the understanding between AlMiles and DC. So excuse if I find it redicules that people are complaining about PS3 cleaning up the mess AlMiles left them with.

I find it ridiculous that people who get paid to come up with ideas for tv shows thought that changing the middle name of the character and having his little brother some day use the same name was going to go over well with fans. That's what I find ridiculous. He wasn't the real Jimmy........fine, be creative and come up with something above a third grade level. Not something that's both disturbing for a future Jimmy, like taking on the identity of his dead brother, and makes no sense in that by the time young Jimmy is old enough to work at the planet Lois and Clark will be like 40. That's not the fault of almiles. PS3 made the ok for that lame story.

[Russ-L]

So let me get this straight...

Henry James Olsen, went by his little brother's first name.

People also claim that he (later in life) referred to himself by his brother's full name.


1. Was he obsessed by his little brother, to the point of wishing he was a boy much younger than himself?
2. How did their parents avoid the confusion whenever they called to one of them... and they both answered to "Jimmy"?

:confused:

He is not going by his younger brother's name he's going by his middle name (not the same thing). He was named after his father, thus the Henry. His father is an alcoholic and probably beat them. He chose to use his middle name to distance himself from his father. It happens everyday. Hell my father was named after his father and they refered to him by his middle name. I was then named after them and I got refered to by adding a "little" in front of my name.

Hell maybe he didn't know he had a younger brother. He could've been raised in foster care after being abused or raised by his mother after a divorce. He then dropped the Henry because he hated his father. His father got remarried, got cleaned up and had another kid. He chose to make his middle name James in honor of his oldest child.

[luthorian]

I can't believe anyone would actually buy into this ridiculous cop-out :rotfl:

The only reason the writers did this was to get away with ruining Jimmy's character. What makes it worse is they did it in the most unbelievable and stupid way. Not to mention they wasted most of the finale to this crap.

[Super EJ]

For those whom have apparently missed the whole point of the funeral scene. The "Jimmy" Olsen we've had since the start of Season 6 was never the actual Jimmy/James Olsen of the comics & other Superman incarnations. As strongly implied/revealed, the little brother at the funeral is the genuine James Olsen, whose older brother Henry James (<-- middle name) Olsen has been murdered. Henry was the "Jimmy" all along, hence why it was no prob for him to be so close to Clark and Lois' ages, finding out Clark's "secret", and being killed for keeps. A huge twist, no doubt about it, but a very incredible and interesting reveal in my honest opinion. I never would've saw this coming 50 miles away.

So please, those who are upset because they think Jimmy Olsen has been killed off from the Smallville mythos, understand that it was never James Bartholomew Olsen. It was his older brother, Henry James Olsen, an original character to Smallville whom happened to prefer going by his middle (and younger brother's first) name while mostly being the show's homage to the Jimmy character. Like Doomsday being trapped underground, the reveal of a younger Jimmy better lines the Smallville mythos up with the comics and for all we know, Kara could be in another type of suspended animation to keep her 19 for Clark's Superman years. So please understand, the real Jimmy is alive and well.

Feel free to comment, reply, whatever ya' all want. Just don't force your opinions over the facts stated by the writers, it was never the Jimmy Olsen.
HOLY CRAP!!! That makes so much sense, jees man!! I was SOOO confused!! But i get it now!! Thanks for clearing it up!!! WOW Smallville ROCKS!! This whole time i thought they were one of the cheap shows!! They wer doin so well till the new producers came in!:D

[Kal26]

Thanks for answering the question. And, I understand the rest of your post. Then the question becomes:

Why assume he is Jimmy's brother named Jimmy? Chloe was guessing as to who this boy is. He nor anyone else confirmed it. Couldn't he just as easily be a cousin named Jimmy Bartholomew Olsen?

Maybe, but imo still pretty lame on their part. These people get paid to be creative. They live the life that some could only dream of, producing a show about a young superman, and it just seems to me that they're sluffing through it, and are getting ready to ruin the whole series. They don't deserve it.

[marcella]

I'm sad for AA, really.

[Kal26]

He is not going by his younger brother's name he's going by his middle name (not the same thing). He was named after his father, thus the Henry. His father is an alcoholic and probably beat them. He chose to use his middle name to distance himself from his father. It happens everyday. Hell my father was named after his father and they refered to him by his middle name. I was then named after them and I got refered to by adding a "little" in front of my name.

Hell maybe he didn't know he had a younger brother. He could've been raised in foster care after being abused or raised by his mother after a divorce. He then dropped the Henry because he hated his father. His father got remarried, got cleaned up and had another kid. He chose to make his middle name James in honor of his oldest child.

So they both go by Jimmy? Not likely, not to mention one of them has to be James Bartholomew Olsen, so the younger brothers middle name wouldn't be James, it would be his first name. So Henry James, and James Bartholomew both go by Jimmy, and both want to work at the daily planet? It must be a really small world. I understand how your name works, and that does happen every day, but do you have any siblings that also use the same name you do? My names Nicholas Ryan, if I had a brother named John Nicholas, I don't think we'd both go by Nick.

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That's exactly what I've been trying to say. The backlash isn't without merit, but misguided.

The backlash isn't directed so much toward the retcon as much as it is toward the lame way it was done.

[vyperman7]

Personally I don't understand why so many people are upset.

In all honesty, AA's Jimmy Olsen never did really much for the show. Way too much time was spent on the Chloe/Jimmy debacle and in the end he was being portrayed as a depressed drug addict. Doomsday managed to put Jimmy back in a respectable light by having him discover Clark's secret and be willing to protect it, as well as sacrificing himself for Chloe.

Now that we have the real Jimmy Olsen, the age differences match up much better. I do wish that they had made it a bit more clear though by having the kid introduce himself.

[natbug]

Maybe, but imo still pretty lame on their part. These people get paid to be creative. They live the life that some could only dream of, producing a show about a young superman, and it just seems to me that they're sluffing through it, and are getting ready to ruin the whole series. They don't deserve it.

Well yeh, I have to agree with you there.:)

[Mrs. Superman]

Personally I don't understand why so many people are upset.

In all honesty, AA's Jimmy Olsen never did really much for the show. Way too much time was spent on the Chloe/Jimmy debacle and in the end he was being portrayed as a depressed drug addict. Doomsday managed to put Jimmy back in a respectable light by having him discover Clark's secret and be willing to protect it, as well as sacrificing himself for Chloe.

Now that we have the real Jimmy Olsen, the age differences match up much better. I do wish that they had made it a bit more clear though by having the kid introduce himself.
I disagree, I think he added a lot to the show. Jimmy was awesome around Clark and Lois, which is where he was the most true to his character. Those were my favorite moments. The writers were ok to have Chimmy for a while, but the whole Doomsday drug addict pushed it. Still, he deep down he was always the sweet wholesome (minus drug addict) good guy. I dont know how anyone couldnt be a fan. :\ I loved watching him onscreen and I'm really sad to see him gone and retconned. As a Jimmy fan, that was the worst possible scenario for his ending.

[DorothyFan1]

Yeah, this and Chloe. Now, where she is gonna fit into all this? :confused:

We all know that Lois never had a cousin, named Chloe. Will DC retcon again?

If Smallville introduced Lois Lane as Chloe's cousin...the answer to this one is yes I think so. But excellent question as I hadn't thought of this clever zinger. I'd love to hear the producers on Smallville and Warner Brothers and DC Comics answer this one.

My personal feeling is the pressure is building to "do something" about Chloe to make her presence understandible and acceptable to the mythology once this is all over. It has to be done. This idea that she's somehow not known in the future is no longer a valid excuse. If they can retcon Jimmy "fake" Olsen's death as being non mythos...then they can clearly add Chloe to the mythology.

[HowardFilms]

Um, who called that Jimmy wasn't Jimmy ages ago? huh?! ME!

Ok, so he didn't turn out to be superman, but you still heard it from me first! :D

[HiroaHero?]

The season finale was a complete cop out. The writers rushed the ending and threw in anything to make their storyline work. Well it doesn't. There is no Henry Olsen. There's a hell of a lot of facts in the season that prove that Jimmy is the real Jimmy. Explain that writers.

[BIGBMH]

I undestood that they implied that Jimmy's younger brother was the real Jimmy, but I don't like it. That was clearly never the intention before. Why would anyone choose to go by their younger brother's name? Why would they characterize him so closely as the Jimmy we know and love? I get that this makes it a lot closer to the comics and everything else, but I had grown to accept Smallville as its own alternate Superman universe. I was fine with Jimmy being Clark's age after a while.

[FLyxNERD]

Who the hell goes around calling themselves by their middle name, if it's their little brother's first name? Just to irritate them?

alot of people go by there middle name instead of there first...

my friends mom calls him by his middle name,i gotta friend that goes by her middle name instead of her first name

[aceofclubs]

To me he was the legitimate Jimmy Olsen , I mean the referred to him by his full name before. They only changed it for the epi which is stupid.

[DJ Doena]

Even if I were to accept that AA was "Henry James Olson" and that little guy is actually the iconic Jimmy Olson.

Why would anyone call the older brother by his middle name or a derivation of it when there is an actual "James ... Olson" who happens to be the little brother?


"Hi, I am Henry but you can call me Jimmy but not when my brother is around because it's actually his name".

[the highlander]

Lois wont save Jimmy... remember guys

The PS3 said only ONE castmember was leaving but 2 characters die for good...

and Sam Witwer will be back as Zod... mark my words (lame I know)



Aaron Ashmore is ouuut.

Its not lame... its still the body of a kryptonian and it would be the best bezel for ZOD. I don't like the ZOD idea, I wanted him to still be at the PZ until he is SuperMan.

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alot of people go by there middle name instead of there first...

my friends mom calls him by his middle name,i gotta friend that goes by her middle name instead of her first name

So does my mother... so I see no problem with it...

[rehana/chole]

i donot think clark will b working at the daily planet next season lois is not there either she disapper with ring so i guess nexts season will b smallive style back to kent farm i guess and rem clark doesnt age as fast as humen not that it matter clark is supose to be 21-23 now he older than chole by 3yr i think so maybe he took 8 yr 2 train in fortress may he want on vaction mayb he losed him slef then after pick his life up he retrun 2 ware it all strated DP (if i rem correctly clark was abt 30 wen he was superman )except one problem how come he would not remember henry wen he see jmmy (henry james oslen brother) or lois or chole or jl wat happen too his memory it got fried in doomsday episode. sv still has alot of explaining abt the character to ,me yet s it no over.

[Vindellavon]

Aw shucks, and here I thought the 'real' Jimmy was dead.

[smallvillefreak24]

please explain the jimmy olsen through the ages featurette on the s7 dvd box set then

o right

u can't

[SSJConan]

To me he was the legitimate Jimmy Olsen , I mean the referred to him by his full name before. They only changed it for the epi which is stupid.

Prove it. Point out the specific episode, I'll pop in the DVD [Mod Edit] make a thread with a giant screen-cap and subtitle from that moment. I'm honestly very tired of people saying they've heard "Jimmy" go by JBO in Smallville before and not provide backup. I've said before, I don't remember one single instance he has and I've watched every episode; I think after an episode like this season finale, I would. Prove it, say what episode it was, I'm actually begging yas. Because if he hasn't, then a lot of you are really making a big "plothole" deal out of basically nothing.

[wafflles87]

Personally I don't understand why so many people are upset.

In all honesty, AA's Jimmy Olsen never did really much for the show. Way too much time was spent on the Chloe/Jimmy debacle and in the end he was being portrayed as a depressed drug addict. Doomsday managed to put Jimmy back in a respectable light by having him discover Clark's secret and be willing to protect it, as well as sacrificing himself for Chloe.

Now that we have the real Jimmy Olsen, the age differences match up much better. I do wish that they had made it a bit more clear though by having the kid introduce himself.

Sorry, but Henry James Olsen will always be the one and ONLY Jimmy Olsen in Smallville for me. I like the comics, but they're not religion. I didn't mind the lack of a large age difference. I actually liked this new take on things they did.

Far as I'm concerned, they can bring the little kids in by the truckload and give them all cameras, I don't give a flying crap.

The Jimmy that died is the Jimmy I learned to like over time. He's the Jimmy I saw working at the Planet. He's the Jimmy I saw team up with Lois and sometimes Clark. He's the Jimmy he called Clark "CK". He's the Jimmy I was upset to see doing drugs and getting his life teared down around him. He's the ONLY Jimmy I'll care about on this show. I pray for the good of the producers they don't get any bright ideas to bring in a new one, cause that would be too much.

[Emissary of Justice]

Im not sure how your posts are supposed to be a response to mine when all you do is state the same thing over while ignoring/disregarding whatever I say in my posts.That's because all of your arguments can be summarized with "this doesn't make sense" and "this retcon sucks." You're just re-wording the complaint several different ways.

[Kevin24]

Sorry, but Henry James Olsen will always be the one and ONLY Jimmy Olsen in Smallville for me. I like the comics, but they're not religion. I didn't mind the lack of a large age difference. I actually liked this new take on things they did.

Far as I'm concerned, they can bring the little kids in by the truckload and give them all cameras, I don't give a flying crap.

The Jimmy that died is the Jimmy I learned to like over time. He's the Jimmy I saw working at the Planet. He's the Jimmy I saw team up with Lois and sometimes Clark. He's the Jimmy he called Clark "CK". He's the Jimmy I was upset to see doing drugs and getting his life teared down around him. He's the ONLY Jimmy I'll care about on this show. I pray for the good of the producers they don't get any bright ideas to bring in a new one, cause that would be too much.


That was beautiful:(

[Kal26]

Personally I don't understand why so many people are upset.

In all honesty, AA's Jimmy Olsen never did really much for the show. Way too much time was spent on the Chloe/Jimmy debacle and in the end he was being portrayed as a depressed drug addict. Doomsday managed to put Jimmy back in a respectable light by having him discover Clark's secret and be willing to protect it, as well as sacrificing himself for Chloe.

Now that we have the real Jimmy Olsen, the age differences match up much better. I do wish that they had made it a bit more clear though by having the kid introduce himself.

Now the age difference is off in the opposite way. Jimmy's like 10 and Lois and Clark are in their mid 20's. Not to mention, he's going to have a hard time having a relationship with Kara when he's half her age. Plus he's still taking the identity of his dead brother. To me they redeemed Jimmy just to make his whole arc pointless. I'm mad because of the shoddy writing, and poor planning more than anything else. I really don't see the point of ending it this way. They could have just written Jimmy off the show somehow and kept going with the story without killing him and having his brother step up as the real Jimmy. It kind of reminds me of "beer fest" where the guy dies and his brother takes his place on the team, and with his wife. The whole end of the episode seemed like they had run out of good ideas and just wanted to end it and go home for the break. I'm mad because it doesn't even seem like their taking it seriously anymore, and if they are, they have no business running a show.

[Vindellavon]

Sorry, but Henry James Olsen will always be the one and ONLY Jimmy Olsen in Smallville for me. I like the comics, but they're not religion. I didn't mind the lack of a large age difference. I actually liked this new take on things they did.

Far as I'm concerned, they can bring the little kids in by the truckload and give them all cameras, I don't give a flying crap.

The Jimmy that died is the Jimmy I learned to like over time. He's the Jimmy I saw working at the Planet. He's the Jimmy I saw team up with Lois and sometimes Clark. He's the Jimmy he called Clark "CK". He's the Jimmy I was upset to see doing drugs and getting his life teared down around him. He's the ONLY Jimmy I'll care about on this show. I pray for the good of the producers they don't get any bright ideas to bring in a new one, cause that would be too much.\

Agreed. PS3 will have to answer for this in any upcoming interview during the hiatus. If not, then they;ll have a heck load of problems.

[vyperman7]

Now the age difference is off in the opposite way. Jimmy's like 10 and Lois and Clark are in their mid 20's.

Actually Clark is only 22.
S1 - 14/15
S2 - 15/16
S3- 16/17
S4 - 17/18
S5 - 18/19
S6 - 19/20
S7 - 20/21
S8 - 21/22

Lois is only a year older than Clark because she was in her freshman year at Met U during Clark's senior year. So Lois is only 23-24 years old. If the younger Jimmy is 11 or 12 years old and starts working at the DP when is 18, that is only 7 more years which will make Clark 29 going on 30 which is how old Clark is supposed to be when he works at the DP. Lois will only be a few years older. It actually works out.

[Kal26]

please explain the jimmy olsen through the ages featurette on the s7 dvd box set then

o right

u can't

That's a good point. Why would AA be on that then?