"Jimmy" was never the legit James Bartholomew Olsen, understand this. [Archive] - Page 2

Kal26

05-15-2009, 02:23 PM

Actually Clark is only 22.
S1 - 14/15
S2 - 15/16
S3- 16/17
S4 - 17/18
S5 - 18/19
S6 - 19/20
S7 - 20/21
S8 - 21/22

Lois is only a year older than Clark because she was in her freshman year at Met U during Clark's senior year. So Lois is only 23-24 years old. If the younger Jimmy is 11 or 12 years old and starts working at the DP when is 18, that is only 7 more years which will make Clark 29 going on 30 which is how old Clark is supposed to be when he works at the DP. Lois will only be a few years older. It actually works out.
That's probably about right on the age for Lois and Clark then, but Kara is another story. And there are too many plot holes now. Also, Jimmy worked at the planet before Clark. Now he'll be coming in after him. IMO the whole thing is just messed up. I also think its a bit wrong to portray him as a kid living his dead brothers life. That just seems a bit unhealthy, and disturbing to me.

Animation

05-15-2009, 02:24 PM

I UNDERSTAND the OP ... I just think that makes it even worse.

Marissa

05-15-2009, 02:28 PM

So they fooled us for three years. That's just wrong.

Mrs. Superman

05-15-2009, 02:38 PM

That's because all of your arguments can be summarized with "this doesn't make sense" and "this retcon sucks." You're just re-wording the complaint several different ways.
I gave you plenty of reasons why I dont believe DC was the culprit behind the death and yet you ignored most of my points and repeated yourself with whatever argument you were going for.

At this point we are not even debating the same topic.

rajman

05-15-2009, 02:43 PM

I forgot about jimmy not being jimmy

Kal26

05-15-2009, 02:49 PM

Even if for some reason DC was behind ps3 getting rid of Jimmy, which I don't believe because Warner Brothers usually stipulates these things, and they have no reason not to want him on the show, they could have come up with a better, more reasonable, and rational way to do it than this. I'd see DC having more of a problem with green arrow being an alcoholic killer, or bart and cyborg being on the show than jimmy. It makes more sense to me to see Jimmy as a regular on the show than GA, or even Martian Manhunter. Hell for that matter, if they had a problem with Jimmy being on the show so early, and at an older age, why wouldn't they have a problem with doomsday being on the show before Clark even becomes superman. How about doomsday having a human side. Out of all these changes to the mythos, I think Jimmy would be the least of dc comics concerns. He's not even really a big part of the Superman comics right now, or any movies, so there are really no toes to step on. The same can't be said for any of the other characters. Bart was dead in the comics for crying out loud, and martian manhunter is dead, but has been brought back as a black lantern.

Emissary of Justice

05-15-2009, 02:49 PM

I gave you plenty of reasons why I dont believe DC was the culprit behind the death and yet you ignored most of my points and repeated yourself with whatever argument you were going for.Because in the face of Aaron Ashmore's own statements that a retcon was demanded from DC Comics from the start, it doesn't matter what you believe. He says different. He played the character. He was there. You weren't.

Out of all these changes to the mythos, I think Jimmy would be the least of dc comics concerns. He's not even really a big part of the comics right now, or any movies, so there are really no toes to step on. The same can't be said for any of the other characters. Bart's dead in the comics for crying out loud, and so is martian manhunter.Actually, Bart isn't dead in the comics. He was revived in Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds and Jimmy is a big part of Superman product right now. He recently had a one-shot and plays the main role in unraveling the conspiracy within the government as it pertains to their actions towards Superman and the Kryptonians. Martian Manhunter also made his initial appearance prior to his death in Final Crisis.

Legendary Lois & Clark

05-15-2009, 02:58 PM

I loved the twist and I'm happy as hell Henry "Jimmy" Olsen is gone. It seemed they had trouble finding things for him to do anyway. He didn't really hang out with Clark and wasn't a close friend of his (it was Chloe he really spent the most time with). I can't help but roll my eyes at all the crying and boo hoo-ing that's going on, especially when Aaron Ashmore himself confirmed that it was a DC restriction from the get go that his Jimmy had to eventually be revealed as not being the Jimmy from the comics that is Superman's pal. I can understand some being upset and even feeling misled by the twist, because we all were. To be stubborn and just keep denying what has been revealed as the truth, is just childish though.

No he wasn't called James Bartholomew Olsen before and he has never been refered to as such. Keep looking for the refrence in past episodes if you wish, but you will never find it. You are just wasting your time. This was set from the get go by DC and their condition that had to be met when the show was done with the character. I'm gonna listen to Aaron Ashmore, because I think he'd know a heck of a lot more about what went on then anyone on this board. So it doesn't really matter what you may want to believe, the truth is: the Jimmy Olsen that becomes Superman's pal, the real James B. Olsen, is only about 11 or 12 at this point in time.

Lurchdaddy87

05-15-2009, 03:03 PM

Except for the fact that when Clark Kent/Superman comes to the daily planet...Jimmy Olsen already works there...

So now, according to the Smallville mythology...Clark Kent will have already worked at the Daily Planet for 10+ years before the "real" Jimmy steps foot in the Daily Planet. While the "twist" was shocking, I have to disagree wtih you that this move was "ok".

Except for the fact that Clark will have to go and do his training in the fortress, and if its anything like the movies. Clark's training would last 10-12 years giving the real Jimmy Olsen enough time to grow up and work at the Planet before Clark comes back. I kind of like the fact that Clark works at the Daily Planet now, because when I watched the movies I never understood how they would just hire some guy off the street with no journalism background.

6-Super-Man -5

05-15-2009, 03:07 PM

But really, why would you have such a strange plot twist?
I'm sad to see Aaron go, maybe he'll return somehow, one day...

Supsfan

05-15-2009, 03:07 PM

Personally I don't understand why so many people are upset.

In all honesty, AA's Jimmy Olsen never did really much for the show. Way too much time was spent on the Chloe/Jimmy debacle and in the end he was being portrayed as a depressed drug addict. Doomsday managed to put Jimmy back in a respectable light by having him discover Clark's secret and be willing to protect it, as well as sacrificing himself for Chloe.

Now that we have the real Jimmy Olsen, the age differences match up much better. I do wish that they had made it a bit more clear though by having the kid introduce himself.

My 3 problems with killing Jimmy, are

1. I think it's a huge slap in the face of AA. For years he felt he was JO and the writers just come out and tell him no you aren't the real Jimmy, you're his brother. It's a common trend that the producers on this show seem to have a lack of respect for alot of actors on this show. It also is a huge disrespect to the fans that they been hood winking us that this was the real Jimmy Olsen as well.

2. What exactly was the point of having JO on the show in the first place if they were going to have a twist like this? Couldn't they just call AA's character something else like Scott Smith.

3. Did we really need a storyline where 2 guys kill themself because of Chloe. I wasn't a fan of Davis either but the way both died did nothing great for his character as well

I am not going to say I was a huge fan how they used Jimmy Olsen on this show, but last night made AA's portrayal of JO on this show be completely pointless.

Kal26

05-15-2009, 03:08 PM

Actually, Bart isn't dead in the comics. He was revived in Final Crisis: Legion of 3 Worlds and Jimmy is a big part of Superman product right now. He recently had a one-shot and plays the main role in unraveling the conspiracy within the government as it pertains to their actions towards Superman and the Kryptonians. Martian Manhunter also made his initial appearance prior to his death in Final Crisis.

Right, I changed my post probably while you were writing yours. MM is dead, he's just been revived as a black lantern, which means he's sort of like a zombie. Jimmy wasn't a big part of the Superman title shortly before, and during the crisis, but to be fair, I haven't been keeping up for a bit. However, no matter what he's doing in the comics, GA, and BC are a huge part of the comics right now, and they don't have a problem with smallville changing them.

6-Super-Man -5

05-15-2009, 03:12 PM

What really pissed me off was, that Aaron Ashmore, didn't want to leave, or at least, whats I believe happened.

cloisology

05-15-2009, 03:58 PM

Honestly I think the Jimmy is Henry story line was a cop out. I think they ran out of ideas for this Jimmy & knew they had to reinvent him. This could work if you keep an open mind & the PS3 write it the right way. Ok everyone that is pi$$ed off about the Jimmy is Henry thing take some deep calming breaths & count to 10. Now I’m seeing a lot of people are saying the Henry going by his little brother’s name is weird. Well I agree that is weird, if I’m assuming that Henry knew he had a little brother. I can’t believe that the “Jimmy” AA portrayed would ever go through life ignoring his little brother if he knew he had one. A more understandable explanation is that after Henry was taking from his father & grew up, he reinvented himself as “Jimmy” to escape & forget his abusive past. Remember, he lied to Chloe about his past at first. In the mean time, dad cleaned up his act & had another son. Dad knew it was probably better to stay out of Henry’s life. Maybe dad even tried to contact Henry, but the attempt was understandably rejected. So he named his newest son James for what ever reasons that made sense to him. (Face it, human emotions are not rational.) I’m sure he even followed the clippings of “Jimmy Olsen’s” Daily Planet pictures. He probably got news of his death & funeral arrangements the same way. As for how Chloe seemed to know Henry had a little brother, well, since we can presume days had passed between his death & funeral since an autopsy would be performed & the body would have to be cleared for release. Also after Doomsday’s rampage we can also assume Henry wasn’t the only one in line for an autopsy. So there would be more than enough time for the dad to contact & talk to Chloe via phone before the funeral. Now here’s a plausible reason for the young James to follow in his brother’s footsteps, as long as we still assume that the two bothers never knew each other. Young James finds out he had a brother he’ll never get the chance to know. All he has of him is his camera & the knowledge that he worked at the Daily Planet & knew many people there. He’s driving to learn what his brother was like & the type of person he was may take him to the D.P. to accomplish this journey he sets himself on. Think about it, the PS3 writers could do so much more with this new Jimmy & his background. They can make him pi$$ed at dad for not telling him about his older brother sooner or find out what his dad was like, run away, become a smart a$$ street kid snapping pics for the D.P. Heck, this new Jimmy might refer to Clark as CK without even knowing his brother did it in the past & could bring on a nice Clark smile as he remembers Henry doing the same thing, & could tell James his older brother did it too. There are ways that PS3 can make this great & I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt. Remember, PS3 aren’t the ones that introduced “Jimmy” on the show & perhaps they knew it was a mistake to bring him in so early with the storyline he had. Give them credit, they are still fixing the mistakes of their predecessors & it will most likely take more than one season to correct seven seasons of those mistakes.

Emissary of Justice

05-15-2009, 03:58 PM

Right, I changed my post probably while you were writing yours. MM is dead, he's just been revived as a black lantern, which means he's sort of like a zombie. Jimmy wasn't a big part of the Superman title shortly before, and during the crisis, but to be fair, I haven't been keeping up for a bit. However, no matter what he's doing in the comics, GA, and BC are a huge part of the comics right now, and they don't have a problem with smallville changing them.Smallville hasn't changed much with Black Canary and Green Arrow. Also, Oliver's been mostly absent from the big books for awhile now. Speedy/Aresenal/Red Arrow has replaced him in the JLA. He makes a small appearance in Final Crisis, but it's just to have a named hero with an Anti-Life helmet tossed on his head.

VicNew

05-15-2009, 04:20 PM

I didn't know about him being the older brother of Jimmy Olsen. Wow. Maybe there is hope yet.

Spirit Detective

05-15-2009, 05:05 PM

please explain the jimmy olsen through the ages featurette on the s7 dvd box set then

o right

u can't

:rotfl:

This made me laugh

Kal26

05-15-2009, 05:15 PM

Smallville hasn't changed much with Black Canary and Green Arrow. Also, Oliver's been mostly absent from the big books for awhile now. Speedy/Aresenal/Red Arrow has replaced him in the JLA. He makes a small appearance in Final Crisis, but it's just to have a named hero with an Anti-Life helmet tossed on his head.

He was in final crisis quite a bit, I have been keeping up with them, in fact I have all of them. He's also been in a little book called "Green Arrow and Black Canary" which had a huge wedding issue not too long ago. He's been very present in the comics, just not JLA. As for changes to the characters. How about them being in Smallville at all, let alone knowing Clark before he was Superman. Ollie thinking it's ok to kill Lex, or his family being part of Veritas, starting a mini JLA, using a voice changing device, sleeping with tess mercer who some think is mercy, going to school with Lex, and so forth. They've basically rewritten the character smallville style, which is fine with me, but they've done it none the less. Black Canary........her hair for one, working for Lex, following GA to kill someone, and letting him get away with killing Lex. All of these things are things these characters would never do imo. These characters who are some of the biggest in the dcu. Black Canary is the leader, or was the leader of the JLA last time I read it, but it's ok to use her, and not Jimmy Olsen? I don't buy it, and if it's true, I think it's ridiculous. However, if DC comics demanded a retcon of Jimmy, I'm sure they didn't stipulate that it had to be a lame one. I think they were actually more true to form with Jimmy than GA or BC. Even Bart was way different than he was in the comics. More so than Jimmy anyway.

Bizzaro Kyle

05-15-2009, 05:45 PM

:confused: Okay, so the Jimmy Olsen we've grown and loved for the last few years is not the same Jimmy Olsen as the mythos Jimmy Olsen, and that the little brother was in fact the mythos Jimmy Olsen? Do I have that right? I'm hearing different things from people. I'm just hoping that Jimmy is still Jimmy and the Lois time travel thing will bring him back, and the little brother wasn't as important as people are reading into it.

ManOfSteel87

05-15-2009, 05:49 PM

Jimmy Olsen for the last three years is all of a sudden not the iconic Jimmy Olsen. Instead, he is the older brother of the iconic Jimmy Olsen who will become Superman's pal.

Basically, the writers had no idea what to do with Jimmy next year and were too lazy to come up with a decent storyline for him, so the kill him off and claim he wasn't the real Jimmy anyways and replace him with his younger brother. And all of this to supposedly line up SV with the Superman mythos, even though there are MUCH bigger things about this show that don't line up and never will. They leave that alone, but screw up a great character just to make him the same age as his iconic counterpart from the comics. . . something that didn't make ANY difference to the show.

LJ-90

05-15-2009, 05:55 PM

^ True.

The Jimmy thing it's BS...simple as that.
I want him back but I don't believe PS will have the balls to do it, once they see the fans weren't bothered at all about the ages thing they'll say some crazy explanation and probably tell us that AA was totally into the storie and knew since the start that he wasn't the real Jimmy.

Explain the interviews, the "Jimmy on Jimmy" and the "JBO" that I'm sure he was called in season 6. Explain it!

I'm so sorry for AA, he doesn't deserves this kind of writing.

pibegardel

05-15-2009, 05:56 PM

Hopefully the writers won't pull this with any other characters ALTHOUGH I can totally see them doing a variation on this theme with Chloe (eventually).

Billy Jor-El

05-15-2009, 05:56 PM

It hasn't been established that the younger brother is "Jimmy." I'm wondering if in fact he's been known as "James," and his older brother was "Jimmy." Splitting hairs? I don't know. What about a father/son senior/junior, they both have the same name. Perhaps the younger brother wanted to be different than his brother and insisted to be "James." Now that AA is killed off, he'll adopt his older brother's name of "Jimmy" to honor his memory. It's a thought....

I understand folks are pretty riled up over this, gee, look at all the posts, but you have to admit if it was predictable, everything everyone expected there wouldn't be this much activity/posts on the subject. TPTB pushed our collective buttons and got our attention. Isn't that what it's all about? I'll only go postal if it mimics "Who Shot JR?" and ends up being a dream, THAT was a total copout imho....

Darkside

05-15-2009, 08:33 PM

simplemath

05-15-2009, 10:11 PM

What the? I didnt know that was happening....
It came to a surprise to me. I thought the legion ring was brought back so that could turn back time again and then jimmy would not find out about him and lois was going to be rescued but got to admit it was a good twist there was a younger jimmy olsen on the way..

Aries83

05-15-2009, 11:58 PM

I am happy they did this. Not taking anything from Aaron's portrayal. Real Jimmy Olsen is not as old as Lois and Clark or a few years younger. He is 10+ years younger than both of them period. They finally finally following the comics the real way.

I might also add, once again just so someone else sees this, that they were told by DC Comics to fix the age discrepancy with Jimmy Olsen, something they said AlMiles would have to fix in the future anyway. Souders and Peterson were just doing what DC Comics wanted them to do.

Why is that so hard to understand?

jmsnyc

05-16-2009, 12:21 AM

It is clear that when Jimmy was brought on the show the writers intended him to be the real Jimmy and assumed as such until writing the finale.

It is also unfortunately crystal clear that by displaying his name as HJO (in conflict with previous episodes) and introducing a younger brother JBO that the premise of this thread is right on. (though i didnt think they said the boys name)

Though I agree with OP on his originally theory I disagree with OP, and agree with many of the other posters that this was not something that makes most fans happy.

Christophe

05-16-2009, 12:21 AM

Didn't someone once actually tell Jimmy that he wasn't who he claimed to be? That could've been a clue. When that line was stated, honestly for a while, I thought "this ain't Jimmy?"

Also, it isn't surprising for Jimmy as a photojournalist to use a pen name and be referred to as such most times until his death.

dru-zod2501

05-16-2009, 12:25 AM

I'm sad to say it, but Jimmy had more potential than Chloe in future storylines. Logically, killing her off would've made more sense:(

e-µ-i

05-16-2009, 03:49 AM

For those whom have apparently missed the whole point of the funeral scene. The "Jimmy" Olsen we've had since the start of Season 6 was never the actual Jimmy/James Olsen of the comics & other Superman incarnations. As strongly implied/revealed, the little brother at the funeral is the genuine James Olsen, whose older brother Henry James (<-- middle name) Olsen has been murdered. Henry was the "Jimmy" all along, hence why it was no prob for him to be so close to Clark and Lois' ages, finding out Clark's "secret", and being killed for keeps. A huge twist, no doubt about it, but a very incredible and interesting reveal in my honest opinion. I never would've saw this coming 50 miles away.

So please, those who are upset because they think Jimmy Olsen has been killed off from the Smallville mythos, understand that it was never James Bartholomew Olsen. It was his older brother, Henry James Olsen, an original character to Smallville whom happened to prefer going by his middle (and younger brother's first) name while mostly being the show's homage to the Jimmy character. Like Doomsday being trapped underground, the reveal of a younger Jimmy better lines the Smallville mythos up with the comics and for all we know, Kara could be in another type of suspended animation to keep her 19 for Clark's Superman years. So please understand, the real Jimmy is alive and well.

Feel free to comment, reply, whatever ya' all want. Just don't force your opinions over the facts stated by the writers, it was never the Jimmy Olsen.

WOW thanks for clearing that up ! Now I really like the finale, no plot holes there anymore I think. Thanks, man, I really thought they killed the Jimmy ;)
Great discovery!

luthorian

05-16-2009, 04:01 AM

:lol:

Ella

05-16-2009, 04:01 AM

I'm sad to say it, but Jimmy had more potential than Chloe in future storylines. Logically, killing her off would've made more sense:(
I think all characters have potential for good storylines. This has to do more with the writers and the story than the character. With that said, as far as "aligning the mythos" you bet your bottom dollar that Jimmy has more potential of making that happen than Chloe, but then again apparently a few pesky years on the wrong side mean the world to DC and the powers that be. :rolleyes:

----- Added 3 Minutes later -----

I didn't know about him being the older brother of Jimmy Olsen. Wow. Maybe there is hope yet.
That was a cop out. Just because they state it in the last minute doesn't make it true. And just because they throw some bread crumbs in a few episodes doesn't make it better either.

Fact of the matter is that the people in charge of the show knew that who they were writing was not the real Jimmy Olsen and yet they led the fans into believing he was. If they didn't have the rights to Jimmy or couldn't make him fit based on the age they should have let that idea go (of getting Jimmy on SV) and created another character for Chloe and her story.

Instead they went the easy way: lie and mislead.

Who's mostly to blame? AlMiles and anyone who approved the idea. But the current producers could have made the set up less of a shock if they had actually provided sufficient clues or even a storyline surrounding Jimmy and his identity. That still would not have made things completely better, because at the end of the day lying is lying and misleading your audience is misleading your audience but at least with a cushioned impact the fall wouldn't have been such a shock to most people. :\

Jimmy-olsen

05-16-2009, 04:36 AM

this whole jimmy thing is an awful idea anyway! i dont care if he wasnt the real jimmy, i dont care about superman mythos. i liked that jimmy olsen, everyone else did, the writers killed him off, big mistake. now smallville has gone down in my books! but i still love it :)

27CDruid

05-16-2009, 05:39 AM

So apparently Mr and Mrs. Olsen had both of there sons named "James Bartholomew Olsen". Later in life the eldest had his name changed in offscreenville between season 7 and seaosn 8. This James B. Olsen, renamed to Henry J. Olsen died at the end of S8. His younger brother who will doubtless take on the older, original Jimmy's mannerisms in an attempt to make his parents feel less of gap from his brothers death.

Great plotwriting smallville, just great. *slow claps*

The first Smallville Jimmy is the REAL Smallville Jimmy for me.

rebecavaldez

05-16-2009, 06:53 AM

Does anyone think the little boy at the end is going to be in the series next season!?

mykgerard

05-16-2009, 07:22 AM

I think what most people are neglecting to realize is that Jimmy never wanted to be called Jimmy. He introduced himself as James. I think the writers were counting on this in their logic in the retcon. Perhaps he went by James and his younger brother went by Jimmy at home. I'm not a big fan of retcons, and I do think this cheapens our emotional attachment to the character that we've known and loved and believed to be THE Jimmy Olson. However, I do feel that it was creative problem solving. The show has had dozens of continuity problems over the years and as a reader of comics who tends to spot these things.. . I guess that I'm just so used to it that this time I'll let it slide. Is it slightly annoying.. yes....

but it is also clever.

SpitCurl

05-16-2009, 10:30 AM

Does anyone think the little boy at the end is going to be in the series next season!?

No.

If they even think of bringing in a 10 year-old kid to hang out w/Clark I will not even so much as read about the show. Sweet jeebus...

:mad:

devilneedsaride

05-16-2009, 10:43 AM

No.

If they even think of bringing in a 10 year-old kid to hang out w/Clark I will not even so much as read about the show. Sweet jeebus...

:mad:

:rotfl:

ITA

Didn't someone once actually tell Jimmy that he wasn't who he claimed to be? That could've been a clue. When that line was stated, honestly for a while, I thought "this ain't Jimmy?"

Also, it isn't surprising for Jimmy as a photojournalist to use a pen name and be referred to as such most times until his death.

I would love to know what episode this is if anyone remembers.

Christophe

05-16-2009, 10:47 AM

I think its the one where Lex got him to work for him. Is that the same as his spy episode? Could be that. Or it couldve been Lionel or Tess telling him. Gah, I dont remember exactly.

bigfan

05-16-2009, 11:34 AM

SSJConan

05-16-2009, 11:37 AM

I have a question. If the Jimmy that died was not the real Jimmy then we should be able to tell from the bride episode. I dont think I have it anymore dvr'd. But maybe someone could check. When you get married normally you say your real name. I wonder what name was used during the wedding. This should clear it up.

It doesn't. From what I remember, he was never called "James Bartholomew Olsen" in that episode. The "I now pronounce you" was offscreen, therefore that oppurtunity doesn't exist.

Spirit Detective

05-16-2009, 04:40 PM

I will never understand this

It makes no sense, he was Jimmy for 3 freakin seasons

SVfan87

05-16-2009, 04:48 PM

I will never understand this

It makes no sense, he was Jimmy for 3 freakin seasons

bottom line right there. he was jimmy for 3 seasons and all of a sudden they decided to change that.

REebee52

05-16-2009, 04:49 PM

Exactly, people can't seem to understand this. :lol:

I understand it. I just think it's a cheap and stupid cop-out. If you introduce "Jimmy Olsen" in a Superman show, good writing and basic DECENCY tells you that it is Jimmy Olsen. Not his older brother who goes by the same name and happens to behave very similar to the character we know in Superman lore. Call him Henry James, or James Bartholomew, whatever, if he's Jimmy Olsen, he's Jimmy Olsen.

This was a dirty, retcon trick. Hopefully it will be redone, since only one of those deaths was supposed to stick.

LuthorKent90

05-16-2009, 04:55 PM

Sorry, but Henry James Olsen will always be the one and ONLY Jimmy Olsen in Smallville for me. I like the comics, but they're not religion. I didn't mind the lack of a large age difference. I actually liked this new take on things they did.

Far as I'm concerned, they can bring the little kids in by the truckload and give them all cameras, I don't give a flying crap.

The Jimmy that died is the Jimmy I learned to like over time. He's the Jimmy I saw working at the Planet. He's the Jimmy I saw team up with Lois and sometimes Clark. He's the Jimmy he called Clark "CK". He's the Jimmy I was upset to see doing drugs and getting his life teared down around him. He's the ONLY Jimmy I'll care about on this show. I pray for the good of the producers they don't get any bright ideas to bring in a new one, cause that would be too much.

Totally agree! Gah I'm still pissed.:mad:

Kal26

05-17-2009, 10:35 AM

I might also add, once again just so someone else sees this, that they were told by DC Comics to fix the age discrepancy with Jimmy Olsen, something they said AlMiles would have to fix in the future anyway. Souders and Peterson were just doing what DC Comics wanted them to do.

Why is that so hard to understand?

I keep seeing this over and over again, and I do understand that if DC wanted the character retconed, they would get their way, but I highly doubt that Dan Didio held a gun to the producers heads and made them do it in such and unoriginal, plot hole filled, lame way. That's the problem. Retcon Jimmy........fine. Make two brothers use the same name, and turn the new Jimmy in to a confused, and somewhat sick person who takes over the life of his dead brother, name, ambitions, and all............that just sucks. I can see the first time he comes to work at the planet, all the people who knew our Jimmy will just welcome new Jimmy with open arms because it's so normal to completely assume your dead relatives life. They talk alike, they walk alike, they even both call Clark CK................oh yeah, that's because one is completely obsessed with becoming his dead brother!:lol: I've defended a lot of things that have been done on the this show for the sake of giving the producers the benefit of the doubt, but this aint ever going to be one of them.

Exedore

05-17-2009, 10:38 AM

I still say time travel or stasis would have been better ways to fix the age issue then completely changing his identity out of the blue.

Spirit Detective

05-17-2009, 10:41 AM

I keep seeing this over and over again, and I do understand that if DC wanted the character retconed, they would get their way, but I highly doubt that Dan Didio held a gun to the producers heads and made them do it in such and unoriginal, plot hole filled, lame way.

:lol: The Dan Didio comment is hilarioius.

LJ-90

05-17-2009, 10:49 AM

So please, those who are upset because they think Jimmy Olsen has been killed off from the Smallville mythos, understand that it was never James Bartholomew Olsen. It was his older brother, Henry James Olsen, an original character to Smallville whom happened to prefer going by his middle (and younger brother's first) name while mostly being the show's homage to the Jimmy character. Like Doomsday being trapped underground, the reveal of a younger Jimmy better lines the Smallville mythos up with the comics and for all we know, Kara could be in another type of suspended animation to keep her 19 for Clark's Superman years. So please understand, the real Jimmy is alive and well.

Feel free to comment, reply, whatever ya' all want. Just don't force your opinions over the facts stated by the writers, it was never the Jimmy Olsen.

For the writters it was never the Jimmy Olsen right?

"As an actor, Aaron Ashmore has been such a great surprise because that is a role everybody knows. He made it his own and hit it out of the park." -Smallville writer Darren Swimmer

Yeah right.

Kal26

05-17-2009, 10:55 AM

I saw this quote on another page, and hoped you'd bring it in to this discussion. I personally feel they did this retcon at the last minute, and are trying to cover their tracks by saying it's been planned all along. I hope so anyway, because if it had been planned all along, and this is the way they decided to do it, their really proving how weak their planning, and writing skills are imo.

LJ-90

05-17-2009, 11:11 AM

Make two brothers use the same name, and turn the new Jimmy in to a confused, and somewhat sick person who takes over the life of his dead brother, name, ambitions, and all............that just sucks. I can see the first time he comes to work at the planet, all the people who knew our Jimmy will just welcome new Jimmy with open arms because it's so normal to completely assume your dead relatives life. They talk alike, they walk alike, they even both call Clark CK................oh yeah, that's because one is completely obsessed with becoming his dead brother!:lol: I've defended a lot of things that have been done on the this show for the sake of giving the producers the benefit of the doubt, but this aint ever going to be one of them.

:rotfl:

Lois: No! I won't call you Jimmy!
New Jimmy: WHY?! I have the camera, the bow tie, the age, the personality! Call me Jimmy!
Clark: No! It's disrespectful of your brother's memory!
New Jimmy: But I am Jimmy Olsen! I AM! (Big guys in white clothes enter the room and start taking him to the looney bin) WHY?! WHYYYY???!!! I'M JIMMY OLSEN!!!

I saw this quote on another page, and hoped you'd bring it in to this discussion. I personally feel they did this retcon at the last minute, and are trying to cover their tracks by saying it's been planned all along. I hope so anyway, because if it had been planned all along, and this is the way they decided to do it, their really proving how weak their planning, and writing skills are imo.

True, if this was the plan since the begining (that I believe it's pure bullsh*t) then this just proves how weak and lazy their writting really is. Bunch of monkeys could have done better, hell the entire kryptonsite fandom CAN do better.

Kal26

05-17-2009, 11:14 AM

:rotfl:

Lois: No! I won't call you Jimmy!
New Jimmy: WHY?! I have the camera, the bow tie, the age, the personality! Call me Jimmy!
Clark: No! It's disrespectful of your brother's memory!
New Jimmy: But I am Jimmy Olsen! I AM! (Big guys in white clothes enter the room and start taking him to the looney bin) WHY?! WHYYYY???!!! I'M JIMMY OLSEN!!!

:rotfl:

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True, if this was the plan since the begining (that I believe it's pure bullsh*t) then this just proves how weak and lazy their writting really is. Bunch of monkeys could have done better, hell the entire kryptonsite fandom CAN do better.

So true...................now where did I leave that banana?:D

red_sun1938

05-17-2009, 11:32 AM

First of all, I think it's funny that people are dismissing this as a clever plot twist or claim that they knew all along. This was a failed attempt at writing. plain and simple. I'll post the best take on this issue from another thread just because everyone who claims to know what was really going on can see what really happened here.

No.
Brilliant writting would be if they had put little things, or something, to show us that the twist was there all along, hell, tell the actor the truth sicne the begining if that's the case. It is not brilliant writting because it was a last second retcon, last second bullsh*t that PS think nobody cares.
How do I know it's a last second thing? My quotes:

"To me, that is the defining quality, when you say Jimmy Olsen you think Superman's best pal and that hasn't been the case so far. It's been Jimmy not really sure about Clark. That's what I hope that they develop, that really, really solid bond between those two guys because that to me is the history of those two characters."- Aaron Ashmore on Jimmy being on Smallville.

That shows that the actor thought he was playing Jimmy Olsen, the iconic one, and that obviusly the twist wasn't in the plan in that time. But hell, they probably thought that they shouldn't tell him...right?

Well what about this one?

"As an actor, Aaron Ashmore has been such a great surprise because that is a role everybody knows. He made it his own and hit it out of the park." -Smallville writer Darren Swimmer

DARREN SWIMMER? WTF

Role everybody knows = Iconic Jimmy Olsen.

The point it's that it was a last second thing, not brilliant, the twist was only about the shock value, you want a twist that make sense and it's brilliant at the same time? Read H.P Lovecraft, that's brilliant.

That's all.

Dustmite

05-17-2009, 11:36 AM

They always planned for him to be the real JO. This 'twist' was a cop out. If they wanted him dead and out, they should have killed him instead of pretending that he was Henry all along.

If they no longer wanted JO on the show, they should have had him leave Metropolis for a while.

jpfort1957

05-17-2009, 11:38 AM

2 brothers in the same house, and both go by Jimmy??????????????????????

Exedore

05-17-2009, 11:45 AM

2 brothers in the same house, and both go by Jimmy??????????????????????

SV = Angsty Twilight Zone :rolleyes:

Loisdragon

05-17-2009, 11:48 AM

Yo I'm not buy this. Aaron is JIMMY OLSEN i dont care.

loislanechick

05-17-2009, 11:53 AM

For three seasons they made us believe he was THE Jimmy Olsen. It's ridiculous.

Tigergal05

05-17-2009, 12:22 PM

Look at all the Jimmy icons...ah, the real Jimmy Olsen is very loved. IA with everyone who thinks that this was never planned. It is a retcon, plain and simple. I never once doubted that Jimmy was THE Jimmy Olsen because he clearly mirrored his counterparts in other media. Thus, I will continue to believe he is the real Jimmy Olsen. Maybe TPTB will see all the hooplah over this and rectify what they've done.
We can only hope..

SGuthrie27

05-17-2009, 12:26 PM

I certainly hope they will. I can see why they may be trying to do this, since the real Jimmy Olsen was never connected to Chloe Sullivan in the Superman mythos (as she doesn't exist there), didn't find out Clark's super-heroic identity even before he put on the cape and tights, and there are lots of other little things about this version of Jimmy Olsen that make him different than the one from the comics...

BUT WHO REALLY CARES?!? AARON ASHMORE was THE SMALLVILLE JIMMY OLSEN. End of story. Way to try and pull a more-than-cheap retcon, TPTB.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

Vergon6

05-17-2009, 12:29 PM

SV = Angsty Twilight Zone :rolleyes:
:rotfl:Angsty Twilight Zone...that is pure gold!

He shall and always will be the real Jimmy Olsen to me. Long live Aaron Ashmore!

This is the one time I really wish they did a reset button. Seriously. If they were worried about Jimmy not being the same age, they should have had Jimmy leave town and then have some villain put him in suspended animation for 10 years for kicks lol

wafflles87

05-17-2009, 01:37 PM

This is the one time I really wish they did a reset button. Seriously. If they were worried about Jimmy not being the same age, they should have had Jimmy leave town and then have some villain put him in suspended animation for 10 years for kicks lol

IA.

It's a freaking Scince Fiction show. There's aliens, cloning, stasis, space travel, time travel, teleportation.

Are they telling me that with all them resources they couldn't find a way to make him younger than the rest without killing him off? Of course, it's easier to just off him rather than having to use their heads for once and write something that might be interesting.

Lazy-ass SOB's!!

LJ-90

05-17-2009, 01:40 PM

:rotfl:Angsty Twilight Zone...that is pure gold!

He shall and always will be the real Jimmy Olsen to me. Long live Aaron Ashmore!

This is the one time I really wish they did a reset button. Seriously. If they were worried about Jimmy not being the same age, they should have had Jimmy leave town and then have some villain put him in suspended animation for 10 years for kicks lol

Word.
AA is awesome, I hope he lands a job were his characther (and himself) gets the respect he deserves, because obviusly in smallville he didn't get it.

SpitCurl

05-17-2009, 02:03 PM

...It's a freaking Scince Fiction show. There's aliens, cloning, stasis, space travel...

Actually, space-travel works fine. All they need to do is invoke relativity theory.

Find some odd reason to have sent Jimmy into space. Perhaps the magical all-purpose orb was programmed to travel to Krypton, not realizing its destroyed, and Jimmy stumbles on the orb and is transported there. The trip is what, 3 years? A round trip would account for him being at least 6 years younger when he returned to Earth, even though for Jimmy it wouldn't feel like more than a few days/weeks.

Prolong the trip by having him stuck in space and Clark having to find a way back, mixed w/good ol' memory-loss due to the cryonic statis Jimmy had been in. Voila. No death or retcon, just a bit more sci-fi mumbo-jumbo, which this show loves anyway. Would've been a great cliff-hanger seeing Jimmy rocketing into orbit :)

Borealis

05-17-2009, 03:42 PM

I am happy they did this. Not taking anything from Aaron's portrayal. Real Jimmy Olsen is not as old as Lois and Clark or a few years younger. He is 10+ years younger than both of them period. They finally finally following the comics the real way.

Following the comics, real way? It's a start. :rolleyes:

All that is left to do is make Pete and Lana white. They also need to undo the Lana and Lex marriage. Bring Lex back to life. Have Clark meet Lois at the DP and not before. Make Kara arrive in Smallville went Clark is Superman instead of before. Have Lana and Pete return to the show and get married. Erase Chloe from existence because Clark's best female friend as a child was Lana.

alejandrita439

05-17-2009, 03:48 PM

For three seasons they made us believe he was THE Jimmy Olsen. It's ridiculous.

i know...
but i dont care if they say he is not the real jimmy olsen..

for me, he will always be THE jimmy olsen

Exedore

05-17-2009, 03:48 PM

Actually, space-travel works fine. All they need to do is invoke relativity theory.

Find some odd reason to have sent Jimmy into space. Perhaps the magical all-purpose orb was programmed to travel to Krypton, not realizing its destroyed, and Jimmy stumbles on the orb and is transported there. The trip is what, 3 years? A round trip would account for him being at least 6 years younger when he returned to Earth, even though for Jimmy it wouldn't feel like more than a few days/weeks.

Prolong the trip by having him stuck in space and Clark having to find a way back, mixed w/good ol' memory-loss due to the cryonic statis Jimmy had been in. Voila. No death or retcon, just a bit more sci-fi mumbo-jumbo, which this show loves anyway. Would've been a great cliff-hanger seeing Jimmy rocketing into orbit :)

It'd have been even simpler if Jimmy had found the Legion ring and ended up 10 years in the future. :p

alejandrita439

05-17-2009, 03:53 PM

i have a question..
is there any episode where he mentions that his name is "James Bartholomew Olsen"

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It'd have been even simpler if Jimmy had found the Legion ring and ended up 10 years in the future. :p

that would have make sense to me :)

~*Lois & Clark Fan*~

05-17-2009, 05:08 PM

This is from Gregory Novak, just a couple of months ago, on SV and the comics:

“As the show evolved, though, they really developed their own style — and their own mythology. It is its own continuity, so at this point, for me to say, ‘Well, you can’t use Doomsday that way because he’s really this mindless beast from space and he must look like this on screen the first time we see him,’ I don’t think that’s fair to the continuity that they’re establishing.

“So, in its own way, its no different than New Frontier or from anything else we do in the comics that’s almost an Elseworlds title. Fans at the end of the day know what the Superman continuity is from the comic books. This is another version of that continuity, re-told in a different way, moving the chess pieces around the table a little bit.

“I think it’s fun. I’d be rather merciless for a show that’s still a hit in Season 8 to say, ‘Oh no, you can’t do that now... in terms of the Superman world, we’ve pretty much let them use anyone they’ve wanted within reason and reasonable interpretation of the character.”

SpitCurl

05-17-2009, 05:33 PM

It'd have been even simpler if Jimmy had found the Legion ring and ended up 10 years in the future. :p

Nothing is simple on Smallville :cool: Either solution is cleaner than what we got.

Although the Legion ring is programmed to send the wearer 1,000 years into the future. Even if Jimmy put it on, it likely wouldn't take him back 990 years, but to the time he left.

Re: the above post. Wonder if he'd like to clarify that now?

Spirit Detective

05-17-2009, 06:33 PM

lm1212

05-17-2009, 06:41 PM

Writers are creative. They could have come up with dozens of ways to fix the age problem. I just don't get it.

krpto

05-18-2009, 03:27 PM

Ok, what should they have done, let both brothers co-exist so that people could complain that it didn't match up with canon like they're doing now?

Either way, people are going to get pissed so what's the point in trying to make a point of what they should've done when what they should've done wouldn't have made one bit of difference?

The point is: The Jimmy Olsen that left the show last night was an issue the previous producers left for them to clean up. Again, they're receiving backlash over an issue they had nothing to do with when the decision was first made to introduce him on the show as a series regular.

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Thank you. Last night, I was like many fans...wondering "WTF was that?," but if you stop to think about who was running the show back then, you'll see that PS2 aren't responsible because they were ultimately told by DC Comics that it had to be rectified. Everyone is jumping on PS2 like they've committed some sort of sin, but what they should be doing is sending hate mail to DC Comics or AlMiles.

With that said, the death happening so quickly (just after Jimmy learned the secret) probably hasn't helped quell the fury of fans.

My problem with them killing off jimmy and saying his little brother is now the iconic jimmy is that the way they did it it feels like a retcon created just os theyd have the excuse to kill of jimmy if they were gonna do this they should have taken a few episodes revealed that jimmy was realy henry james olsen and that he had a little brother named james b olsen that takes after his big brother and is interested in following his big brother into the same carrer path then killed henry so the fans of henry jimmy olsen wouldn't feel like he was just renamed as an after thought of them killing him and them randomly giving his camera to a brother they brought in just to so they could say he wasn't the real jimmy. Yes I understand ps3 or whatever eventually had to explain that jimmy wasn't iconic jimmy but there could have been batter ways that didn't involve killing him then changing his name as an after thought.

~*Lois & Clark Fan*~

05-18-2009, 04:09 PM

Writers are creative. They could have come up with dozens of ways to fix the age problem. I just don't get it.

These writers lack creativity or originality

Heck I think most of us could come up with ten dozen ways to have fixed this problem(I still don't buy it was an issue)

I say DC is being used as a scapegoat for this

bigblueplanet

05-18-2009, 04:14 PM

"Jimmy" was never the legit James Bartholomew Olsen, understand this.

I don't have to understand anything. This was the major retcon I've ever seen in the Superman TV show's history. These show runners might thought this was a brilliant idea but you know what? It makes this show utterly a joke. JMO

Violet-Shadow

05-18-2009, 04:18 PM

I don't have to understand anything. This was the major retcon I've ever seen in the Superman TV show's history. These show runners might thought this was a brilliant idea but you know what? It makes this show utterly a joke. JMO

ITA. This show has been headed in this general direction, jumping what looked like sharks but were just fish with teeth, but this time...this time it jumped Jaws bigger, older brother IMO. It's unwatchable, to me, at this point. It's sad because I was telling my dad how great SV was and I was going to buy the S8 dvd to watch with him...but, now, I'm not going to subject him, or anyone, to it.

Big O

05-18-2009, 04:45 PM

That's not the point though. TPTB sold Jimmy as the Jimmy Olson of the show for the last 3 years. You can't just kill him of and introduce his little brother as the real deal and just expect us to accept that.

Thats what is upsetting so many people..that the writers & producers...SOLD the fans...thats AA's Jimmy Olsen...was the real Jimmy Olsen.

Why did they have AA in that feature on the actors who played Jimmy Olson..in Season 7 Box set....IF...they knew ALL along...AA was never the REAL Jimmy.....its a betrayal...of the fans trust...and as people have stated....it smells like it was cooked up at the last second..to SHOCK & surprise SV's fans cos 99% of us..thought they would never kill off a canon charater from the Superman comics..but the writers decided to be...CLEVER...and came up with this..HES NOT THE REAL JIMMY...so its ok..to kill him....

They have screwed up big time...and no amout of finger pointing & explaining..will make me...go along with AA's departure from the show...he will ALWAYS..be seen by me to be the REAL Jimmy Olson...cos he did a fantastic job........this new actor they will bring in..will be the FAKE Jimmy...far as Im concerned....and he will always be compared to AA's Jimmy..and thats going to be...an uncomfortable position for who ever they cast....to start off on a show...

What if they killed of Chloe as introuced her little sister as the real Chloe, or Lois, or Clark. See where I'm going with this?

Thats the OTHER huge reason...people are so upset...if..they can retcon Jimmy...whats to stop them...from doing that to Lois ..Chole etc....people might say..c mon..they'd NEVER do that...but these guys running SV...have shown us...that they cant be trusted..and that their flat out liars....cos they lied to AA..when they led him to believe ..that he was playing the REAL Jimmy Olson..and they lied to the fans...

As for Season 9...I was really looking forward to it...but not now...Ill continue to watch the show...but if the first few shows are bad....and we get...even more stalling....or see CK...just walking around looking bummed out & sad..Chole looking sad..Lois sad or worse....not even shown..in the early episodes.....they might as well..throw dirt over the show & call it a day...

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No.

If they even think of bringing in a 10 year-old kid to hang out w/Clark I will not even so much as read about the show. Sweet jeebus...

:mad:
lmaooooo@ Sweet jeebus.....yeah...that will do wonders for the show...CK being tailed by a ten year old..maybe in one very special episode... CK can be seen putting his arms around the kids shoulders and asking him.....if hes into Gladiator movies!! lol

Raina

05-18-2009, 04:58 PM

Many people name James go by James not Jimmy, it is possible that the younger brother goes by James and Henry goes by the longer form of James(his middle name) "Jimmy", because he didn't like Henry, the younger in honour of his pass brother start calling himself Jimmy instead of James.

Creepy. Take on you dead brother's job maybe, his name....really creepy.

johnr90

05-18-2009, 10:05 PM

Honestly, I just wish they would have developed this a little more. Perhaps even in earlier seasons. Having him mention his brother, James. Or even explain why they had the same name (a little silly for two brothers if you ask me). But like most Smallville decisions, this was obviously done all this season. I think it's good that they're trying to fix the age gap, but it was sort of a choppy way to do it. I like Aaron (sometimes), don't get me wrong. It's just another writing flaw.

amberdawn

05-19-2009, 02:41 AM

Writers are creative.

Not these writers.

skully

05-19-2009, 03:34 AM

But he has been referred to as "James Bartholomew Olsen" before...I'll try to find the episode to quote it...

Yeah he was.

Exactly, he was.

He referred to himself as that too, and I know he said it on this show, which is why that whole thing is bubkiss.

Yes he has been referred to as JBO.
Sorry folks, that never happened.

Jimmy-olsen

05-21-2009, 10:18 AM

the whole concept is ridiculous, seems like a last minute twist they decided to throw in just so make the finale seem more interesting.... didnt work its only made people angry (me being one of them).
by the way everyone, i would like to say lois lane isnt the real lois lane, shes been on our screens for 5 seasons but shes a fake! she actually has a sister we never knew about also called lois lane...... it wouldnt suprise me if that ended up being true! thats how ridiculous smallville is becoming.

Krypton's Man of Steel

05-21-2009, 10:58 AM

Hahaha, exactly, after this now no character is safe, maybe the dead Lex, if you believe Lex is truly dead, is not the real Lex Luthor seen in the comics as Superman's arch nemesis, but instead another guy with the same amount of influence and power who coincidentally has the same name

Jimmy-olsen

05-21-2009, 12:15 PM

ha ha yeah that wouldnt suprise me, they need to bring him back eventually somehow so why not just say he was never the real lex, thats how they get rid of characters!

justme_007

05-21-2009, 02:02 PM

i am sorry but this wasn´t an interesting twist imo it was a retcon .... as kelly aka RedKrules used to say in this "FAILSDAY" ... called season finale

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It'd have been even simpler if Jimmy had found the Legion ring and ended up 10 years in the future. :p

you see? this is better that the writing of this show. and we are just "fans" :p

wafflles87

05-21-2009, 02:23 PM

you see? this is better that the writing of this show. and we are just "fans" :p

Puh-lease.

Any one of us has more brain cells in their finger nails than the writers do in their skulls.

Clois4eva89

05-21-2009, 02:33 PM

I will say this if the writers of Alias did Smallville we would've had a bigger hit on our hands. In their 5 year run they made only 1 or 2 continuity errors,where as Smallville has made over a million errors give or take. This is why I only watch Smallville for fun and don't consider it canon with the mythology. But just think of it as it's own mythology because it will never be true to the comics. Hell my version of Clark in rpgs is more Superman-ish than how the show's done it in the last 8 years.

grandville

05-21-2009, 11:02 PM

I can accept AA as not the real Jimmy.

- Even if ANYONE can prove definitively that he's been referred to as James Bartholomew Olson, didn't he also mention to Chloe that he has had a troubled past? Is it that unfathomable that he could skip town on his family, or *gasp* lie about his name?

- People go by their middle names all the time. And we never truly heard them use "Jimmy" referring to the kid at the funeral. For all we really know, he could easily go by "Bart." He walks in to the Daily Planet, Perry White says it's a terrible name, and he changes it.

- For the mannerisms, kids are impressionable, especially with siblings that much older. The kid could see AA as a hero, and want to be exactly like him. I wouldn't be surprised if he struck up a friendship with the others, and they remarked how much he's like his older brother.

Violet-Shadow

05-21-2009, 11:14 PM

- For the mannerisms, kids are impressionable, especially with siblings that much older. The kid could see AA as a hero, and want to be exactly like him. I wouldn't be surprised if he struck up a friendship with the others, and they remarked how much he's like his older brother.

His friends wouldn't find it odd or off puting in anyway that he's EXACTLY like his older brother? It's more than just resemblance in mannerisms - it's identity theft. And how would this little brother know how to replicate his older brother in every way? Since the two had very little contact, per show canon, that doesn't even make sense. But not much about this retcon did, IMO. It was out of the blue. I can never, ever accept it.

ClLaLeChFAN01

05-22-2009, 05:08 AM

the whole idea that our Jimmy was never the real Jimmy is really hard to digust...but i guess we have to accpet it! I have to admit it was kind of clever how they did it.

Violet-Shadow

05-22-2009, 09:29 AM

the whole idea that our Jimmy was never the real Jimmy is really hard to digust...but i guess we have to accpet it! I have to admit it was kind of clever how they did it.

IMO, we don't have to accept it. It's fine that some people can...everyone can come to their own conclusions about what they watch. I am one who will NOT aceept it. I don't think it was "clever" twist. It was pure laziness and just plain bad, IMO. It was not planned all along and the PS pulled it out of you know where to "shock" the audience. Instead, they pissed off a lot of the fanbase.

Myrddin

05-22-2009, 09:38 AM

You are correct

that is why they buried DD

Int he comics doesn't DD come from underground and later kill Superman?

wafflles87

05-22-2009, 09:45 AM

IMO, we don't have to accept it. It's fine that some people can...everyone can come to their own conclusions about what they watch. I am one who will NOT aceept it. I don't think it was "clever" twist. It was pure laziness and just plain bad, IMO. It was not planned all along and the PS pulled it out of you know where to "shock" the audience. Instead, they pissed off a lot of the fanbase.

ITA Julie.

I will NOT accept it, I will NEVER accept it. I will MAYBE continue watching the show, but I will also forever sing about the show that killed Jimmy Olsen and then tried to sell him as a fake. Aaron will always be the one and ONLY Jimmy Olsen of Smallville for me. I don't care if that kid has an ID, blood work or whatever done to prove he's the real deal. I ain't buying them cookies. And just because I like to repeat myself... if that kid shows up again as "the real Jimmy Olsen" I'm done with the show faster than Bart can blink.

It WAS indeed pure laziness. If they really wanted to let him go, there were a gazillion other ways that didn't involve character destruction and actor disrespect. Course, in the puny brains of PS was something along the lines of:

P: So... let's kill Jimmy!!
S: Why?
P: For the shock factor, and because we're too cowardly to kill Chloe.
S: Fair enough.

Violet-Shadow

05-22-2009, 10:11 AM

P: So... let's kill Jimmy!!
S: Why?
P: For the shock factor, and because we're too cowardly to kill Chloe.
S: Fair enough.

:rotfl: And you're probably right...which is sad.

Jimmy-olsen

05-22-2009, 12:59 PM

I certainly wont accept that jimmy wasnt the real jimmy, how can people be so wlling to accept it? its ridiculous!

Kal-ed

05-22-2009, 02:34 PM

Exactly, people can't seem to understand this. :lol:
:confused:

I dont know if I should feel ofended, or what.

I understood what you said from the episode, we all did, we´r not dumb, we just didnt like it and the fact that Henry James Olsen was treated as iconic Jimmy, he was promoted as iconic JO, he had the bowtie, he worked as a photografer for the DP, he frequently worked with both Clark and Lois, etc.

Yes he´s Henry not Bartholomew but its a cheap cop out move and we all know it, in interviews, to TPTB and the poor AA, news articles, DVD features, all treating AAJimmy as THEE Jimmy Olsen.

I think "clearing this up for us" was not necesary at all and we, have all the right in the world and in this forum to complain about it.

amberdawn

05-22-2009, 09:11 PM

You are correct

that is why they buried DD

Int he comics doesn't DD come from underground and later kill Superman?

Yeah. People who watch the show, who know nothing about the comics won't even know that. I'll be they won't even explain it.:rolleyes:

alejandrita439

05-24-2009, 07:59 PM

They made it up just for the finale :mad:

someone point out this in another Forum

in Committed the Police Department's call says "James Olsen" has had his car towed. If his first name isn't James then the government would never had said James there.

in Legion, Rokk mentions Jimmy Olsen to Clark. he would NEVER have done that if Clark didn't already know the Jimmy Olsen that goes down in history i.e. the Jimmy Olsen they would know of in the future.

¨we've heard of Lois lane... Lana Lang... even Jimmy Olsen... ¨

i cant belive that the writer did this :mad:, they think we are naive ha :rolleyes:

Fish1941

05-24-2009, 10:16 PM

For those whom have apparently missed the whole point of the funeral scene. The "Jimmy" Olsen we've had since the start of Season 6 was never the actual Jimmy/James Olsen of the comics & other Superman incarnations. As strongly implied/revealed, the little brother at the funeral is the genuine James Olsen, whose older brother Henry James (<-- middle name) Olsen has been murdered. Henry was the "Jimmy" all along, hence why it was no prob for him to be so close to Clark and Lois' ages, finding out Clark's "secret", and being killed for keeps. A huge twist, no doubt about it, but a very incredible and interesting reveal in my honest opinion. I never would've saw this coming 50 miles away.

So please, those who are upset because they think Jimmy Olsen has been killed off from the Smallville mythos, understand that it was never James Bartholomew Olsen. It was his older brother, Henry James Olsen, an original character to Smallville whom happened to prefer going by his middle (and younger brother's first) name while mostly being the show's homage to the Jimmy character. Like Doomsday being trapped underground, the reveal of a younger Jimmy better lines the Smallville mythos up with the comics and for all we know, Kara could be in another type of suspended animation to keep her 19 for Clark's Superman years. So please understand, the real Jimmy is alive and well.

Feel free to comment, reply, whatever ya' all want. Just don't force your opinions over the facts stated by the writers, it was never the Jimmy Olsen.

This is nothing but crap and a big fat cheat by the producers to insure that the fans would not get upset over Jimmy's death. For three years, we're told that Aaron Ashmore's character is Jimmy Olson. Then when the producers decided that they would kill off a regular character, they kill off Jimmy and tell us that he wasn't the "real" Jimmy Olson but the older brother of the real Jimmy?

A big fat pile of crap. I feel as if my intelligence had been insulted.

P: So... let's kill Jimmy!!
S: Why?
P: For the shock factor, and because we're too cowardly to kill Chloe.
S: Fair enough.

Hilarious! This is boss!

geminis

05-24-2009, 11:24 PM

Unfortunately for the show, Jimmy's death didn't shock me, it just disappointed and saddened me.

I loved Jimmy from the beginning and was even one of those few Chimmy fans, even though he made Chloe cry (that girl is so heartbreakingly amazing at crying), even though he gave up too easily on his marriage to Chloe (darn Hollywood marriages). He still loved her and literally defended her to the end. (*sob*)

I can understand the twist and see some twisted logic in it as well. I'm not going to completely hate or naysay Jimmy the younger, however. He is his own person, and won't be an exact copy of Jimmy the elder. Heck, speaking as a twin, no two people, no matter how closely related, are exact duplicates of each other. However, two relatives who grow up apart can have astonishing similarities. That old nature vs. nurture and twin study thing.

I don't see why both can't be the real, legitimate James Bartholomew Olson. That was a failure of imagination on the writer's part. I could definitely see a younger sibling who never really knew his brother taking on his brother's name to honor him. In any case, I find it impossible to hate baby bro' but do still wish they had never killed AA Jimmy off.
The similarity in ages was a little disconcerting at first, I admit, but right from the beginning I was sold on believing in him as Jimmy, kind of exactly like all of the iconic main characters (Clark, Martha, Jonathan, Lois, Lex, Lana, and Perry). We loved you, Jimmy Olson. You were a true blue friend and hero and shall be dearly missed.

abbaspice1

05-25-2009, 03:23 AM

ITA Julie.

I will NOT accept it, I will NEVER accept it. I will MAYBE continue watching the show, but I will also forever sing about the show that killed Jimmy Olsen and then tried to sell him as a fake. Aaron will always be the one and ONLY Jimmy Olsen of Smallville for me. I don't care if that kid has an ID, blood work or whatever done to prove he's the real deal. I ain't buying them cookies. And just because I like to repeat myself... if that kid shows up again as "the real Jimmy Olsen" I'm done with the show faster than Bart can blink.

It WAS indeed pure laziness. If they really wanted to let him go, there were a gazillion other ways that didn't involve character destruction and actor disrespect. Course, in the puny brains of PS was something along the lines of:

P: So... let's kill Jimmy!!
S: Why?
P: For the shock factor, and because we're too cowardly to kill Chloe.
S: Fair enough.

So true, so true so true!

----- Added 6 Minutes later -----

For those whom have apparently missed the whole point of the funeral scene. The "Jimmy" Olsen we've had since the start of Season 6 was never the actual Jimmy/James Olsen of the comics & other Superman incarnations. As strongly implied/revealed, the little brother at the funeral is the genuine James Olsen, whose older brother Henry James (<-- middle name) Olsen has been murdered. Henry was the "Jimmy" all along, hence why it was no prob for him to be so close to Clark and Lois' ages, finding out Clark's "secret", and being killed for keeps. A huge twist, no doubt about it, but a very incredible and interesting reveal in my honest opinion. I never would've saw this coming 50 miles away.

So please, those who are upset because they think Jimmy Olsen has been killed off from the Smallville mythos, understand that it was never James Bartholomew Olsen. It was his older brother, Henry James Olsen, an original character to Smallville whom happened to prefer going by his middle (and younger brother's first) name while mostly being the show's homage to the Jimmy character. Like Doomsday being trapped underground, the reveal of a younger Jimmy better lines the Smallville mythos up with the comics and for all we know, Kara could be in another type of suspended animation to keep her 19 for Clark's Superman years. So please understand, the real Jimmy is alive and well.

Feel free to comment, reply, whatever ya' all want. Just don't force your opinions over the facts stated by the writers, it was never the Jimmy Olsen.

Problem is that in other episodes, gov't officials called him James. Also, in extra footage on DVD and in interviews, TPTB claimed that AA was playing the ICONIC Jimmy Olsen.

This is how I interpret TPTB actions: There is a cup with a strange liquid in it. It seems funny at first. TPTB tells us it is a cup of poison. A few years later, the same cup is sitting there with the same liquid. The producers add a little coloring to it, and now calims it is KOOL-AID. Now, after 3 years of seeing the cup and the liquid, I ain't stupid enough to swallow the KOOL-AID they are selling.

And I'm not buying their crap that the Jimmy Olsen that AA has played isn't THE ICONIC Jimmy Olsen. They better sell that KOOL-AID to someone else. I'll stick to my TANG!