WHY Didn't Clark let the Legion fight Doomsday in the future???

[Superman of Krypton]

Clark may have caused many innocent civilians to die by ignoring Rokk's request to send Doomsday to the future so the Legion could take him on.


If Clark was so concerned about fixing HIS mess (as he stated as his excuse); then why couldn't he have gone to the future WITH Doomsday and joined the Legion in fighting him?

Rokk stated in Legion that Clark CAN travel to the future (without damage to the timeline) and invited him to come someday.


Instead, Clark chose to let the present be Doomsday's battlefield..and there were bigtime consequences.

This is another screwup to add to BDA's list. :rolleyes:

[Vandal Savage]

Obviously, in Clark's infinite wisdom, he decided it was more important to stash the Legion ring in a box on his desk. This way, Lois could find it and disappear to God-knows-where in the timeline.

However, the larger question is, where did Rokk go? Shouldn't he have at least hung around to nag Clark about sending Doomsday to the future?

[Dyanara]

Now that was downright stupid! Clark should have made sure the Legion could take on Doomsday and win then sent his butt to the future. I was all on Clark's side last week with not wanting to kill Davis...but come on! If the Legion knew what they were doing why not let them do it!?!? And CLark's lil "I did this I have to fix it" crap was bologna.

[faz]

Well when I saw the title of this thread my response was going to be, "Because Clark's a BDA" but you already beat me to it.

[Superman of Krypton]

Clark still makes such ridiculously bad decisions...

The way they write him is horrible..

[faz]

Of course he does, he's 22. If this show is trying to stress his human side, there's no better way to do it than to highlight a 22 year old making bad decisions.

[Superman of Krypton]

After everything he's been through he should know better by now.

His excuse for not accepting Rokk's request is totally lame.


And now there's more blood on his hands as a result of his stupidity.

[Lexsghost]

Big Dumb Alien

[Superman of Krypton]

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[antx]

I don't believe that Clark was thinking like that.He thought he caused all of this and it was his responsibility to take care of it.

[dru-zod2501]

If he was so concerned about handling his problem he should've gone with Rokk and fought with the Legion. Hello? better numbers, better odds all around. they invited him to visit last time, and maybe Brainac 5 would've given him a clue about how to live up to his own hype

[Superman of Krypton]

So why couldn't he just join the Legion in fighting Doomsday in the future?

Rokk's plan would have prevented Doomsday from massacring the present.

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Holy flawed logic PS3.

[mr lane]

i already knew bad stuff was going down when i saw clark and rokk's web preview

when rokk told clark to send dooms to the future and clark declined i wanted to hit my computer

[Superman of Krypton]

lol

same here.


I was hoping Clark had a legit reason behind that, apparently not..

[Dyanara]

Dude his reasoning was downright stupid! How exactly did he cause Davis/Doomsday? By being sent to earth when he was a child? I dont think so! If I cause a fire and its my fault, am I going to be sitting there with a waterhose and a bucket trying to put it out? Heck no Im calling in the people who actually have the equipment to deal with it. I have never used this before but Clark Kent
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[Superman of Krypton]

lol!

[RedKRules]

I think after tonight .... even Powers Rangers could had taken Doom out.

[prodigykane]

Clark is something else

[malchloefan]

Clark just keeps going from strength to strength NOT! Terribly bad decision making in evidence again. Can't he just do something sensible for a change.

[NinaDavis]

I think after tonight .... even Powers Rangers could had taken Doom out.
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So true!

[Cogito17]

Well, they made it clear that the world was safe and sound in the future, only Clark wasn't there. I think maybe he didn't want to do anything to jeopardize that.

[Exedore]

They just made Clark directly responsible for the mayhem Doomsday will cause when he comes out of his grave in the future (they just set him up for the way he came out of the ground in the comics). He also came out looking extremely stupid for the black-k separation idea. On the other hand, the "Ultimate Destroyer" was kind enough to just knock out the JLA and Chloe with few, if any, wounds or even scratches on them. This is their way of aligning with the mythos. Bah, I say BAH! :rolleyes:

[Poyntz]

I think its a male human issue with clark. It's Call Male Mocho Pride LOL

[genxstillonfire]

I actually think this was the best way for clark to solve this issue. There's a famous parenting quote i remember. "You make the mess and you had better be the one to clean up the mess." Clark recognizing that it was he who messed things up didn't try to pass the mess to someone else. Or like in the past season 5 try to fix it from time travel he accepted theconsequences of his actions.

[Superman of Krypton]

Well, they made it clear that the world was safe and sound in the future, only Clark wasn't there. I think maybe he didn't want to do anything to jeopardize that.

If the world was safe and sound in the future, there wouldnt be the Legion... and definitely not the Fatal Five and other Legion villians..

Persuader being one of them.

[Alicia Chipy]

Clark thought Doomsday was his personal responsibility as a fellow Kryptonian.

[prodigykane]

Dude his reasoning was downright stupid! How exactly did he cause Davis/Doomsday? By being sent to earth when he was a child? I dont think so! If I cause a fire and its my fault, am I going to be sitting there with a waterhose and a bucket trying to put it out? Heck no Im calling in the people who actually have the equipment to deal with it. I have never used this before but Clark Kent
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I like that

[Darth Pipes]

Ignoring the fact that Clarking is a ****ing moron, I would venture to guess that Clark didn't let the Legion fight Doomsday is because he has a suicide fetish. He's big on wanting himself to die. Remember, he was willing to allow Brianiac to wipe him out of existence last year. The only thing he loves more than wanting to kill himself is blaming himself for things he has absolutely no control over. This includes but is not limited to the meteor shower, the plans of Jor-El and Veritas, the way Doomsday grew up, Lionel and Lex's obsession over him, etc.

Clark didn't bring Doomsday to the future because of his suicide fetish, he's too much of a coward to make the effort (and lazy), and because of this, Jimmy died. Probably some other people too.

[LoD]

Doomsday was Clark's responsibility as the last son of Krypton and resident hero of Metropolis, imo. He possibly saved lives by not sending Doomsday to the future since the Legion would have directly engaged the beast and not fled as many of the humans did. In any case, by that point, the plan overall was to save Davis, the supposedly innocent human side. Sending Doomsday to the Legion wouldn't have accomplished that goal.

Clark's actual plan was to isolate Doomsday near the geothermal MacGuffin, split him from Davis, and jump into the hole. If people (ahem, Chloe, Ollie and the rest of the JL) had just followed his plan, no one would have died, except Doomsday and, possibly, Clark himself. Clark had a great plan but no one would accept Clark sacrificing himself for the greater good. The others betrayed Clark, messed up by trying to do things their own way, and once again Clark was left to clean up their mess.

[Davis Bloome]

If Clark wanted to care of DD, just sent him billions of years in the future when earth has ceased to exist. Problem solved and he doesn't have to let the Legion do his dirty work. But Clark likes playing the martyr who is responsible for every misery in the world. Bad writing.... Just bad...

[devilneedsaride]

Of course he does, he's 22. If this show is trying to stress his human side, there's no better way to do it than to highlight a 22 year old making bad decisions.

I know 15-year-olds with better judgment than Clark showed with this decision.


I actually think this was the best way for clark to solve this issue. There's a famous parenting quote i remember. "You make the mess and you had better be the one to clean up the mess." Clark recognizing that it was he who messed things up didn't try to pass the mess to someone else. Or like in the past season 5 try to fix it from time travel he accepted theconsequences of his actions.

At this point it becomes a personal pride vs. the right thing to do question. While I respect Clark wanting to clean up his own mess, the first consideration HAS to be the people who might get hurt if he tries to inexpertly control him on his own. Nobody will get hurt if he loses a notch or two for not cleaning up his own mess, but people got hurt when he didn't accept help from the people who knew what they were doing. Somebody who wants to be a hero needs to be able to make that distinction and follow it up with making the choice that will get the fewest (or preferably zero) people killed.

In reality though, I think it was a decision that was made for the purpose of advancing the plot, and little to no thought was given to it making a whole lot of sense.

[SGuthrie27]

I wouldn't say that it's "macho pride," necessarily. I think that he was thinking more about what could happen to his friends in the Legion, and not wanting to pass along what he felt was his personal responsibility. Who's to say what could've happened to the heroes of the future had he gone ahead and send Doomsday there? Besides, it had to happen this way to go along with the comic mythos. Though man, I would've paid good money to have seen Rokk and a bunch of his Legion friends come back and help Clark defeat Doomsday and send him into the tunnel once and for all, wouldn't you?

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[Spyderwalk]

I think it's fair to say that the reason he didn't was because he wanted to save Davis.

[devilneedsaride]

I wouldn't say that it's "macho pride," necessarily. I think that he was thinking more about what could happen to his friends in the Legion, and not wanting to pass along what he felt was his personal responsibility. Who's to say what could've happened to the heroes of the future had he gone ahead and send Doomsday there? Besides, it had to happen this way to go along with the comic mythos. Though man, I would've paid good money to have seen Rokk and a bunch of his Legion friends come back and help Clark defeat Doomsday and send him into the tunnel once and for all, wouldn't you?

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

I would :P

Isn't it kind of arrogant, though, for him to assume that he could handle Doomsday more safely than a huge team of experts who know all about DD and his weaknesses and presumably have a solid plan in place for dealing with him? I still think Clark's decision-making skills are seriously sub-par.

[Welling_is_pretty]

He didn't because Clark feels this is all his fault and he needs to fix it, not pawn it off on someone else (who might die in his place, thus giving him even more guilt).

Course we all saw how that worked out. He was pretty much screwed no matter what.

But yeah, it's all about Clark and his guilt and sense of duty.


"I'm responsible for this and I have to make it right", type of thing.

personally I figure Imra could have given Doomsday a "sleep" command and basically put him away somewhere to sleep for eternity and bam! It's all fixed!
Silly BDA....

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

I didnt see this anywhere, if there is a thread about this already then it can be merge together or deleted.

I noticed that Clark chose not to use the ring that Rokk gave him. Why didnt Clark decide to send Doomsday to the future? Was he afraid that they couldnt deal with Doomsday and he couldnt take that risk? That is understandable, thats Clark. We never got a reason why he didnt use the ring.

I do realize that people are up in arms about the "jimmy" situation but this has been bugging me since I realized it. However, did I miss something and it was explained and I blacked out during that part and totally didnt know it?

[Davis Bloome]

No Clark felt that Doomsday was his own responsibility as this was a Kryptonian case, so he didn't want anyone else to fight DD but himself.

[pibegardel]

Once again Clark decides not to accept help from others and do stuff on his own because ITS HIS RESPONSIBILITY WAH. Put everyone's life at jeopardy because he heard its his fate to take DD down. Like he hasn't been lied to in the past.

[bluewolv1970]

well you kno wmy question about the ring is that if clark is a crack reporter wouldn't at some point in thetwo wekes he was looking for lois have gone to the daily planet (where she was last seen) and though to check on the time traveling ring that he left lying around

[pibegardel]

well you kno wmy question about the ring is that if clark is a crack reporter wouldn't at some point in thetwo wekes he was looking for lois have gone to the daily planet (where she was last seen) and though to check on the time traveling ring that he left lying around

At this point Clark just assumes that anything he leaves lying around will get stolen so, why worry? :)
Actually, that lends credence to the whole 'the ending might be a dream, some one dead, etc.' since it would be logical for him to look at his desk (which got busted during the Lois/Tess fight, right)? Or maybe ask Tess if she saw her?

[tippership commander]

i would have been happy if he told him " grab the whole legion, then travel to the future league(he doenst know the JUSTICE league) , get them, grab anyone else who's up for a challenge ,bring them all here, we'll party with the League at my house . we'll have Black K!. Once doomsday shows up to party, we'll all jump him at once! SUPERPOWER BLITZ!

hm, wonder if i should get lana????

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why couldnt it happen? budget, powers issue, etc

plot reason? i think clark honestly got distracted

[Aries83]

Rokk also stated that he was unsure if he had a future to go back to, so maybe that would be an explanation --- even if it wasn't resolved on screen.

[justme_007]

I think after tonight .... even Powers Rangers could had taken Doom out.

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[DGirlLois4Clark]

Better yet..If the Legion can finish off Doomsday in the future..why cant they travel to the present to do it?
Question, questions, questions.lol

[WhoRU?]

He already have a great plan, he didn't need to introduce the Legion. The Legion may have been a back up plan if he failed, but it was hard to see whether that was going to work because he losing time because the pre-leaguers had betrayed him and DD was killing people.

Maybe from his POV at the time, why he didn't was

The great positives in Clarks plan:

1.) He would have subdued Davis without a fight with superspeed.
2.) He would have separate Davis from Doomsday with Black Kryptonite.
3.) He would have save Davis.
4.) He would have save Chloe.
5.) He would bury Doomsday for good.
6.) He had Impulse and Black Canary's help in setting up the station.
7.) He would have no one was killed except for Doomsday.

However, what actually happen was:

1.) The pre-leaguers betrayed him and he was literally shot from behind by Green Arrow.
2.) He was under the influence of the Green Kryptonite and couldn't do anything.
3.) The pre-leaguers with Impulse had subdued Davis but then messed up (because without Clark to keep DD busy), so DD went on a rampage after either knocking out the pre-leaguers (or Black Canary knocking everyone out and screamed DD away).
4.) He did confront Doomsday until after the pre-leaguers failed and then finding DD in the city but there was lost of lives already.

He was lucky that his plan eventually came to fruition because:

1.) Jimmy finds him and removed the Green Kryptonite dart.
2.) Chloe had already separated Doomsday from Davis with his Black Kryptonite.

But what he and everyone else (including the viewers) did not expect despite a successful but delayed execution of his plan on Doomsday was:

1.) Davis the weak Kryptonian, was still a jealous murderer without the Doomsday beast.
2.) Jimmy was attacked from behind and killed because of the jealously.
3.) Chloe was still endangered from Davis without Doomsday, because of her loyalty to Clark and Davis not wanting to be saved out of pity.

Although Clark dealt with Doomsday accordingly to his plan despite the pre-leaguers delaying him and caused people in the city to be killed, Jimmy lost his life saving Chloe and enabling Clark to save more people being killed by Doomsday.

The tragic and unexpected hero of the night was Jimmy. The Legion should still be inspired by the bravery of a hero without superpowers in the future.

So the Clark's plan was ideal, the execution would have been perfect except for the delays from the betrayal and that Jimmy was hanging about.

If there was no betrayal, Doomsday would have been sorted, without any killings in the city if any. But Davis would have been still been Jealous and everyone assumed that only the beast did the killing but in the events leading up to this had Davis already doing the killing to prevent the beast from coming out and doing an even greater number of killings. But only the viewers can see that and not the characters.

Anyway, if he had used the Legion option rather than the pre-leaguers option, he may have executed that plan perfectly because he would have not been betrayed by pre-leaguers and chloe and Jimmy would not be in harms way.

My problem however would be that Davis would still come back with Clark to the present and still kill Jimmy and maybe this time he kills Chloe as well by incidental collateral damage.

So really not much of a difference.

So it kinda of sucks with either option if you look at it that way. If Clark was able to foresaw this, then he would have just forget about having Black kryptonite option.

[justme_007]

Better yet..If the Legion can finish off Doomsday in the future..why cant they travel to the present to do it?
Question, questions, questions.lol

mmmmm .... more special effects = more money needed :p

[Krypton's Man of Steel]

Well put WhoRU? I think you could really see a huge transformation in Davis's character the last couple episodes as it seemed like he used the whole Doomsday monster excuse to be a huge Dbag. Specifically in the fortress with Clark where he pretty much said his need to be around Chloe is more important than the human lives he knows he'll kill. That's pretty much the definition of evil.