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kp1984
05-14-2009, 07:36 PM
Yeah nobody care that he dies because he was'nt a nice person but then again he was nice before he got caught up with the murder. He's gone for good this time, no more healing back. He'll spend everyday in hell hahahhahha that's were you belong Davis you had a chance to start over and you stab Jimmy. Davis got what he had coming to him. I was wrong Green Arrow really should Have Killed him and i'm not talking about a fast way. They should start by riping his eyes out since that what he loved to do to people. Be cool. if a Saw like Villan torment Davis. Rest in Hell Davis have fun with your friend Lex. At least he's not as evil as him.

eggie
05-14-2009, 07:41 PM
I have a feeling that we will see Davis' body next season inhabited by ZOD!!

disciples of zod
05-14-2009, 07:43 PM
It's sad that he was only in this one season. RIP Davis.

~H

lm1212
05-14-2009, 07:43 PM
Unlike most, I cared a lot about Davis. But at the end, we have him written as crazy even without the Doom, and I was pissed. I wanted to see him go on and live another life. !%#@!!!!

disciples of zod
05-14-2009, 07:46 PM
Davis. You kicked butt. Literally. May God have mercy on you.

~K

Aile
05-14-2009, 07:52 PM
RIP Daivs. I liked him too, and I was also angry that they made him crazy even though he was no longer Doomsday. I wanted him to live a happy life!

superman07
05-14-2009, 07:54 PM
I will miss Davis. I was really hoping that once he was seperated from Doomsday that he could be a normal guy, maybe even one of the good guys but then they had to go and write him off as the guy who killed Jimmy and still crazy.

Kton4
05-14-2009, 07:58 PM
Davis is dead.. but Sam Wither is gonna still be on show. Zod is in his body.

Baron Karza
05-14-2009, 08:02 PM
There's ONE way to save money.

MetroGirl06
05-14-2009, 08:05 PM
Bye, Davis. You were a real cutie ;) Too bad he turned out to be a real killer.

Forney2414
05-14-2009, 08:08 PM
Davis was a silly plot twist and wasted valuable Superman flying saving Lois from evil doers time if you ask me.

Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 10:45 PM
Thanks for ruining Davis' character in the last 5 minutes. This guy was the sweetest guy in the beginning. He had great chemistry with Chloe. He was willing to kill himself to spare Clark, Chloe and the world. He loved Chloe. He tried as much as possible to keep the beast within so that it wouldn't destroy the world. He so wanted to build a life with Chloe (who encouraged him and made him believe that she loved him). Then he gets separated from the beast to become a crazed, obsessed killer. What??!!! Why ruin him like this? What did this profit. Why not just have Doomsday kill him? That would have been a better death than we got. Why not have Jimmy die protecting Chloe from Doomsday? Now Chloe hates Davis - the guy she almost, could have, sort of, used to almost love (don't get me started on that). I just hate that they got rid of Davis like this. I think he deserved better. I think it was crap that Chloe said she "thought" she loved him, but realized she just wanted to save him. What kind of a person are they trying to make her? She doesn't know when or if she's in love. She can be in and out of love just like that. So the dates at her place (prior to his moving to the basement), the homemade cooked dinners (while he was in the basement) and hanging out on the car looking at the stars and talking about building a life together with Davis = I want to save you. Whatever Chloe. :rolleyes: PS3 you ruined two characters tonight for me - Davis and Chloe (the two people I originally loved the most this season). Well done. :mad:

thehenry89
05-14-2009, 10:46 PM
I don't think davis had anything to ruin he was a serial killer after all.

Kryptochloe
05-14-2009, 10:47 PM
What they did to Davis character.... insane..

Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 10:50 PM
I don't think davis had anything to ruin he was a serial killer after all.

He was doing that to keep the beast within. At this point he was at least trying to spare the world total bloodshed. He tried to kill himself. All of that was erased within the last 5 minutes of the finale. They did a 180 with him. Davis would never have hurt Chloe - never, nor would he have killed Jimmy. He had a chance to do that last week and didn't. I would have rather seen Davis jump out of the window at Chloe's revelation, but this was crazy. And Chloe's rationale for everything, and her take on love vs. saving someone boggles the mind.

Ella
05-14-2009, 10:51 PM
I agree with you on this 100 percent. Because most of the audience was viewing things through Clark Kent's eyes and many of us were convinced that deep down inside Davis Bloom COULD be saved.

Yes he was a killer, but he was a killer with Doomsday in him. When that was gone, through the black kryptonite we expected what Clark expected, a human being who would want to continue being the hero that he was at the beginning.

What we didn't predict and what Clark didn't predict is that some human beings do get jaded and after going through hell they can turn towards a darker side.

As a viewer I did feel that it was OOC but not out of left field. Two episodes ago Davis refused to go to the phantom zone not because he didn't want to be separated from Chloe. From that episode on I felt that Davis had suddenly been written differently than before. I felt something liket his would come and therefore it didn't shock me.

It was a lame ending to his character, but so was the ending for Jimmy Olsen who not only died but whose entire existence was retconned.

So yeah, PS lost major points with how they handled both of these characters, but more so with Jimmy since he had been around since season 6 and since everyone including the actor himself had been led to believe that he was the iconic character.

That was just very bad.

Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 10:51 PM
What they did to Davis character.... insane..

Tell me about. Can they fix this next season? Say it was Zod inhabiting his mind. This was just the worst way to end his arc.

Supsfan
05-14-2009, 10:52 PM
I've stated all along I would have much rather had Doomsday be a Luthorcorp lab experiment or somehow escape the PZ.

By not hiring an actor to be Davis and only having Doomsday show up for 1-2 episodes, they could have used that money to do a kick ass 7-10 minute fight

Sports72Xtrm
05-14-2009, 10:53 PM
Davis is a selfish jerk. He sabotaged the the Chimmy marriage, murders people who he thinks "deserve it", and lusts over Chloe someone else's wife. There was nothing to ruin. He was a bigger monster than Doomsday as he's the monster by choice.

Krypto~Luan
05-14-2009, 10:53 PM
Well, it wasn't all in the last 5 min. If you notice, he became progrssively more possessive and obsessed. "I need you" "Stay with me". He told her i love you and barley knew her. He was Coo coo from the get go. Who's ta say a little of the beast wasnt left inside? I liked Davis alot, thats why it hurt knowing his fate. But i knew he was insane when he started becoming too close too soon

thehenry89
05-14-2009, 10:53 PM
He was doing that to keep the beast within. At this point he was at least trying to spare the world total bloodshed. He tried to kill himself. All of that was erased within the last 5 minutes of the finale. They did a 180 with him. Davis would never have hurt Chloe - never, nor would he have killed Jimmy. He had a chance to do that last week and didn't. I would have rather seen Davis jump out of the window at Chloe's revelation, but this was crazy. And Chloe's rationale for everything, and her take on love vs. saving someone boggles the mind.

The fact that he killed Jimmy even when doomsday was "excersised" from his body goes to show that his true nature was one of violence and bloodshed all along. Think about it a normal healthy well adjusted man doesn't stab somone in the back with a metal pipe just because he gets rejected by a girl. You can call it a crime of passion or W/E but he was a killer deep down to the core.

lm1212
05-14-2009, 10:54 PM
Thanks for ruining Davis' character in the last 5 minutes. This guy was the sweetest guy in the beginning. He had great chemistry with Chloe. He was willing to kill himself to spare Clark, Chloe and the world. He loved Chloe. He tried as much as possible to keep the beast within so that it wouldn't destroy the world. He so wanted to build a life with Chloe (who encouraged him and made him believe that she loved him). Then he gets separated from the beast to become a crazed, obsessed killer. What??!!! Why ruin him like this? What did this profit. Why not just have Doomsday kill him? That would have been a better death than we got. Why not have Jimmy die protecting Chloe from Doomsday? Now Chloe hates Davis - the guy she almost, could have, sort of, used to almost love (don't get me started on that). I just hate that they got rid of Davis like this. I think he deserved better. I think it was crap that Chloe said she "thought" she loved him, but realized she just wanted to save him. What kind of a person are they trying to make her? She doesn't know when or if she's in love. She can be in and out of love just like that. So the dates at her place (prior to his moving to the basement), the homemade cooked dinners (while he was in the basement) and hanging out on the car looking at the stars and talking about building a life together with Davis = I want to save you. Whatever Chloe. :rolleyes: PS3 you ruined two characters tonight for me - Davis and Chloe (the two people I originally loved the most this season). Well done. :mad:


ITA. Well at least about Davis. They brought my hopes up with the Black K, then shot me down.

pen2paper
05-14-2009, 10:54 PM
I hated what they did with Davis and Chloe's character. Davis finally got the chance to be human and this is what they do with the character. I think the writers just didnt know a way to write davis's character into next season since hes a wanted seriel killer (not by choice so they make him one in the end). Seriously all that, everything clark fought for ended up for nothing. I always agreed with Clarks decision to save Davis why would they make it seem like saving him was the WRONG choice. Urgh And Chloe honestly she came off annoying in this episode, like she was the victim in all this, she made choices. I don't think it was necessary for them to rekindle the chimmy flame even if it was unresolved. Honestly there are so many things that killed this episode for me.

I always agreed that there was something worth saving in Davis Bloome, there were a lot of somethings, what they did to his character just sucked. He was a paramedic, he wanted to save lives, he only killed people cause he had to and there was some vicious beast living inside him. I don't buy this whole loving Chloe drove him to kill, he was willing to die earlier that episode cause he couldnt control himself. He was better than this. Meh. I'm just not watching the episode ever again.

smallvillereporter27
05-14-2009, 10:55 PM
I felt that what Davis did tonight came out of left field. They set up his character as this tragic, sweet guy who Chloe and Clark thought they could save. Apparently not...

Lilah
05-14-2009, 10:55 PM
Davis is a selfish jerk. He sabotaged the the Chimmy marriage, murders people who he thinks "deserve it", and lusts over Chloe someone else's wife. There was nothing to ruin. He was a bigger monster than Doomsday as he's the monster by choice.

ITA!

Krypto~Luan
05-14-2009, 10:56 PM
Like i said, Davis was always crazy. Loved the man, but he was coo coo for coco puffs.

Lilah
05-14-2009, 10:56 PM
The fact that he killed Jimmy even when doomsday was "excersised" from his body goes to show that his true nature was one of violence and bloodshed all along. Think about it a normal healthy well adjusted man doesn't stab somone in the back with a metal pipe just because he gets rejected by a girl. You can call it a crime of passion or W/E but he was a killer deep down to the core.

High five! YEAH!

KryptoKnight
05-14-2009, 10:58 PM
I agree, thanks! I mean it, thanks

Lilah
05-14-2009, 10:58 PM
I agree with you on this 100 percent. Because most of the audience was viewing things through Clark Kent's eyes and many of us were convinced that deep down inside Davis Bloom COULD be saved.

Yes he was a killer, but he was a killer with Doomsday in him. When that was gone, through the black kryptonite we expected what Clark expected, a human being who would want to continue being the hero that he was at the beginning.

What we didn't predict and what Clark didn't predict is that some human beings do get jaded and after going through hell they can turn towards a darker side.

As a viewer I did feel that it was OOC but not out of left field. Two episodes ago Davis refused to go to the phantom zone not because he didn't want to be separated from Chloe. From that episode on I felt that Davis had suddenly been written differently than before. I felt something liket his would come and therefore it didn't shock me.

It was a lame ending to his character, but so was the ending for Jimmy Olsen who not only died but whose entire existence was retconned.

So yeah, PS lost major points with how they handled both of these characters, but more so with Jimmy since he had been around since season 6 and since everyone including the actor himself had been led to believe that he was the iconic character.

That was just very bad.

Negative... a lot of fans were saying "What the hell Clark, you're supposed to kill this sucker not try and save it?" lol... I knew he was a monster from before he was on the show, but that's because I read the comic. I personally wish they would have not hired Sam, and saved the money spent on him for an awesome CGI filled fight like the one Clark had with Titan in s6 but loooooooonger...:D

mr lane
05-14-2009, 10:58 PM
davis was created to destroy

i always expressed this issue

even if he were separated from doomsday it wouldnt erase what and why he was created

it just goes to show that Davis was even more of a monster with Doomsday separated from him

he used Doomsday to play the sympathy card but with Doomsday gone he showed his true colors

topping82
05-14-2009, 10:59 PM
IT was crap. Total lightswitch. I hope they realize their mistake by the season premiere, and decide that when they split Davis, they didn't actually turn him into a human.

They just split him into "two" beasts. The good beast and the bad beast. The Davis we see at the end who kills Jimmy could be the "bad" beast, while the DD who's running around Metropolis has the "good" Davis inside of him.

Meaning, they didn't actually get the human out of Davis. Instead they took out all of Davis' bad qualities.

Meaning the "bad" camouflage could be dead, but the "good" camouflage could still be alive inside of DD who's buried.

I know I'm stretching, but it's the only way they can rectify what they did. They can't build up a character to have redemption and then not let him have it. Just despicable.

thehenry89
05-14-2009, 10:59 PM
davis was created to destroy

i always expressed this issue

even if he were separated from doomsday it wouldnt erase what and why he was created

it just goes to show that Davis was even more of a monster with Doomsday separated from him

he used Doomsday to play the sympathy card but with Doomsday gone he showed his true colors

ITA

which also means any and all attempts to make Davis a sympathetic charachter are thrown out the window. That's why he's the perfect metaphor for a sociopathic personality he mimiced the behavior of normal people hoping to earn sympathy. And when he didn't get his way his true personality came to the fore front.

Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 11:01 PM
Davis is a selfish jerk. He sabotaged the the Chimmy marriage, murders people who he thinks "deserve it", and lusts over Chloe someone else's wife. There was nothing to ruin. He was a bigger monster than Doomsday as he's the monster by choice.

Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I won't try to convince you otherwise, but I thought Davis started off as a good guy. He and Chloe had this really great connection. He didn't even ask Chloe to go away with him to Edge City. She did all of that. He didn't try to leave Smallville. She didn't have to tell him she would do anything for him. She lied to him. Fed him a life that would never exist. Even so, that wouldn't have made Davis do what he did -- kill Jimmy. Davis would have been hurt, but not crazy-beast, killer crazy. Nope, the powers that be introduced a new character (in addition to Zod) in the last 5 minutes - alterna-Davis. Changing Davis like this had serious ramifications for both Jimmy (err, I'm sorry alterna-Jimmy) and Clark.

pen2paper
05-14-2009, 11:01 PM
They used doomsday as a catalyst for Davis's descent into evil (first having to kill, and then killing by choice, his love turned obsession with Chloe), but I still would have liked to see Clark's ideals pay off, and Davis's character salvaged.

Lilah
05-14-2009, 11:03 PM
He was doing that to keep the beast within. At this point he was at least trying to spare the world total bloodshed. He tried to kill himself. All of that was erased within the last 5 minutes of the finale. They did a 180 with him. Davis would never have hurt Chloe - never, nor would he have killed Jimmy. He had a chance to do that last week and didn't. I would have rather seen Davis jump out of the window at Chloe's revelation, but this was crazy. And Chloe's rationale for everything, and her take on love vs. saving someone boggles the mind.

DAVIS killed alot of people... so the fact that he kills Jimmy is not out of character... And what the fact that he had to kill "guilty" people to keep the beast inside was okay? So if Ted Bundy and Charles Manson would have said in court "The devil made me do it!" You would have patted his head and said "Aww its alright... at least you killed criminals.... I forgive you..." No way! Seriously, this character was doomed from the start... and to be honest, he wasn't even needed. if they wanted to have Doomsday come with the meteor shower then they should have done what the movie Superman Doomsday did, that his ship or rock (still not sure what he hatcched out of in Eternal) went so far into the ground it kept him in animated suspension for almost 20 years and suddenly he breaks out and bam! you got Doomsday on Smallville.... would have been better than the snoozefest that was s8...

mr lane
05-14-2009, 11:03 PM
ITA

which also means any and all attempts to make Davis a sympathetic charachter are thrown out the window. That's why he's the perfect metaphor for a sociopathic personality he mimiced the behavior of normal people hoping to earn sympathy. And when he didn't get his way his true personality came to the fore front.

i always felt davis was mind warping people to feel sorry for him just so he could rear his ugly head later on

which he would have done separated or not and just goes to show either way he was a menace

targis
05-14-2009, 11:03 PM
I thought Black Kryptonite was supposed to split personalities into two different physical beings.

Before Davis was split from DD he didn't seem as dark as he did after the split and I thought that was supposed to take all the evil out of him and leave a person who has higher morals than everybody else.

I also thought the Davis Bloom body was unable to be harmed. I thought for a minute he had super strength the way he stuck a pipe through Jimmy's mid section and pulled it back out. How is Jimmy even able to get up and walk after that?

malft
05-14-2009, 11:04 PM
I've stated all along I would have much rather had Doomsday be a Luthorcorp lab experiment or somehow escape the PZ.

By not hiring an actor to be Davis and only having Doomsday show up for 1-2 episodes, they could have used that money to do a kick ass 7-10 minute fight

ITA the Davis character was a mistake from the get go. A couple of eps to reveal Doomsday and then an epic battle with no clear winner. That is a cliffhanger, Baby!;)

Kryptochloe
05-14-2009, 11:05 PM
... One minute he was saying to Chloe that she should let the JL kill him... and the next he goes all crazy and kills Jimmy???? I mean, C'mon!!!! Beyond any logic and respect to the storyline developed through all season...

Krypto~Luan
05-14-2009, 11:05 PM
I thought Black Kryptonite was supposed to split personalities into two different physical beings.

Before Davis was split from DD he didn't seem as dark as he did after the split and I thought that was supposed to take all the evil out of him and leave a person who has higher morals than everybody else.

I also thought the Davis Bloom body was unable to be harmed. I thought for a minute he had super strength the way he stuck a pipe through Jimmy's mid section and pulled it back out. How is Jimmy even able to get up and walk after that?

youd be surprised what humans can do.

DigitalKing
05-14-2009, 11:06 PM
DAVIS killed alot of people... so the fact that he kills Jimmy is not out of character... And what the fact that he had to kill "guilty" people to keep the beast inside was okay? So if Ted Bundy and Charles Manson would have said in court "The devil made me do it!" You would have patted his head and said "Aww its alright... at least you killed criminals.... I forgive you..." No way!How is this in any way comparable to what happened with Davis? Seriously, there is absolutely no correlation between two human killers and a guy who's an EMT with a monster inside of him that's been created and ooze-hatched (not even born) to kill. Where exactly were you even going with this?

thehenry89
05-14-2009, 11:06 PM
I thought Black Kryptonite was supposed to split personalities into two different physical beings.

Before Davis was split from DD he didn't seem as dark as he did after the split and I thought that was supposed to take all the evil out of him and leave a person who has higher morals than everybody else.

I also thought the Davis Bloom body was unable to be harmed. I thought for a minute he had super strength the way he stuck a pipe through Jimmy's mid section and pulled it back out. How is Jimmy even able to get up and walk after that?

It splits you into the two halves of your conscious good and evil, obviously davis' good half was just as bad as his bad half, but if you cut open a rotten melon both halves are just as decayed.

Krypto~Luan
05-14-2009, 11:06 PM
... One minute he was saying to Chloe that she should let the JL kill him... and the next he goes all crazy and kills Jimmy???? I mean, C'mon!!!! Beyond any logic and respect to the storyline developed through all season...
Its not the same thing. He wanted them to kill him to protect her. He felt betrayed by her. Its not the same thing.

thehenry89
05-14-2009, 11:08 PM
How is this in any way comparable to what happened with Davis? Seriously, there is absolutely no correlation between two human killers and a guy who's an EMT with a monster inside of him that's been created and ooze-hatched (not even born) to kill. Where exactly were you even going with this?

well ted bundy was a political activist with a "monster" inside him, and Charles manson was an LSD addicted muscian with a "monster" inside him. To me there is no difference.

Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 11:08 PM
I hated what they did with Davis and Chloe's character. Davis finally got the chance to be human and this is what they do with the character. I think the writers just didnt know a way to write davis's character into next season since hes a wanted seriel killer (not by choice so they make him one in the end). Seriously all that, everything clark fought for ended up for nothing. I always agreed with Clarks decision to save Davis why would they make it seem like saving him was the WRONG choice. Urgh And Chloe honestly she came off annoying in this episode, like she was the victim in all this, she made choices. I don't think it was necessary for them to rekindle the chimmy flame even if it was unresolved. Honestly there are so many things that killed this episode for me.

I always agreed that there was something worth saving in Davis Bloome, there were a lot of somethings, what they did to his character just sucked. He was a paramedic, he wanted to save lives, he only killed people cause he had to and there was some vicious beast living inside him. I don't buy this whole loving Chloe drove him to kill, he was willing to die earlier that episode cause he couldnt control himself. He was better than this. Meh. I'm just not watching the episode ever again.


Totally, totally agree. You took a person who was devoted to saving lives and made him a mad-man over Chloe. You basically taught Clark that some people deserve to die. That's great. I was proud of Clark for wanting to save Davis. They threw that in our faces. It didn't have to end like this for Davis. I wish Chloe would have never asked him to run away. I wish they wouldn't have killed him off like this.

Sports72Xtrm
05-14-2009, 11:09 PM
Davis represents the darkness in all humans. You don't have to look like a beast to be a beast and that is the part of humanity that needs to be monitored and controlled. His greed for Chloe's love and a human life at the expense of others. They all start out as misunderstood handsome bad boys but in the end they are savages.

Lilah
05-14-2009, 11:09 PM
How is this in any way comparable to what happened with Davis? Seriously, there is absolutely no correlation between two human killers and a guy who's an EMT with a monster inside of him that's been created and ooze-hatched (not even born) to kill. Where exactly were you even going with this?

The fact that what Clark said is true... humanity has an ugly side. Chloe didn't want to see Davis "human" side was just as evil as the monster within and that's why Jimmy is dead. If she'd just let Clark send him to the PZ this whole finale wouldn't have happened.

And if you read about those two serial killers, especially Ted Bundy, he played off his victim's sympathy (he would walk around with even a cane at times) to kill them. Davis did this to Chloe. He made her think he was a victim, the prey in this big bad world where everyone under the sun wanted him dead, when in truth he was the predator all along.

Krypto~Luan
05-14-2009, 11:09 PM
Need i remind people that Davis was Obssessed? Therefore crazy. He was now human, and thus vunderavle to human emotions. Davis was an abusive man, he wanted her badly. It happens alot in real life. ALOT. Obsseded people can kill, and have killed.

Kryptochloe
05-14-2009, 11:10 PM
Its not the same thing. He wanted them to kill him to protect her. He felt betrayed by her. Its not the same thing.

Exactly. Not the same... way to react.
First he is willing to give his life and then he goes nuts and kill a person?? Not sense.

Theshadow129x
05-14-2009, 11:10 PM
davis used the beast for his own personal gain. beast proved that to us and also the end proved it to us.

mr lane
05-14-2009, 11:10 PM
Its not the same thing. He wanted them to kill him to protect her. He felt betrayed by her. Its not the same thing.

agreed

in beast he wasnt going to let Clark send him to the PZ if he couldnt be with chloe

which just showed how selfish his conscious side was. if he wanted to put the good of the world first he would have willingly walked into the PZ but instead he challenges clark all because of chloe

so it was not surprising that his split half kills Jimmy for taking the one thing Davis thought he had

LoD
05-14-2009, 11:11 PM
I think the serial killer comparison works when you stop assuming Davis is a separate personality and realize Davis was a manifestation of the beast. Davis wasn't possessed. He was genetically Doomsday and suffering psychosis. If anything, he and Dooms were expressions of a dissociative disorder which is not the same as being two separate people. The fact that black K could split a mind is scientifically boggling but accepted as part of the "mysticism" that is Kryptonian technology. But that doesn't mean Davis is any more real than Eve White was in The Three Faces of Eve or Mother was in Psycho.

Krypto~Luan
05-14-2009, 11:11 PM
Exactly. Not the same... way to react.
First he is willing to give his life and then he goes nuts and kill a person?? Not sense.

He has been killing people all season, even when he knew it was wrong. He was going to kill jimmy before. Still not the same or a valid argument.

topping82
05-14-2009, 11:11 PM
I thought Black Kryptonite was supposed to split personalities into two different physical beings.

Before Davis was split from DD he didn't seem as dark as he did after the split and I thought that was supposed to take all the evil out of him and leave a person who has higher morals than everybody else.

I also thought the Davis Bloom body was unable to be harmed. I thought for a minute he had super strength the way he stuck a pipe through Jimmy's mid section and pulled it back out. How is Jimmy even able to get up and walk after that?

Unless of course, the "good" Davis is still inside of the Beast. And what we were seeing was his bad side. And we won't find that out until next season.

He was acting good beforehand. He was okay with dying. It was like after the Black K separated him, all of his primal urges became dominant. His normal jealousy turned into murder.

He wanted to Kill JImmy in Beast but he didn't. Now that he's "human" he does? :rolleyes:

It only makes sense, if what we were seeing was the "bad" Davis, kind of like the "bad" Lex in Onyx.

Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 11:11 PM
IT was crap. Total lightswitch. I hope they realize their mistake by the season premiere, and decide that when they split Davis, they didn't actually turn him into a human.

They just split him into "two" beasts. The good beast and the bad beast. The Davis we see at the end who kills Jimmy could be the "bad" beast, while the DD who's running around Metropolis has the "good" Davis inside of him.

Meaning, they didn't actually get the human out of Davis. Instead they took out all of Davis' bad qualities.

Meaning the "bad" camouflage could be dead, but the "good" camouflage could still be alive inside of DD who's buried.

I know I'm stretching, but it's the only way they can rectify what they did. They can't build up a character to have redemption and then not let him have it. Just despicable.

You know what, I'm find if they do this. I heard a rumor that Doomsday would be back next season. I don't care what they do - they just need to redeem Davis. He wasn't bent on evil. And Chloe should seriously consider her hand in all of this. Davis didn't ask her to lie to him or to encourage him to run away with her or to talk about making a life together. Leading someone on doesn't = saving them. PS3 fix it please.

smallvillereporter27
05-14-2009, 11:15 PM
The fact that what Clark said is true... humanity has an ugly side. Chloe didn't want to see Davis "human" side was just as evil as the monster within and that's why Jimmy is dead. If she'd just let Clark send him to the PZ this whole finale wouldn't have happened.

And if you read about those two serial killers, especially Ted Bundy, he played off his victim's sympathy (he would walk around with even a cane at times) to kill them. Davis did this to Chloe. He made her think he was a victim, the prey in this big bad world where everyone under the sun wanted him dead, when in truth he was the predator all along.

Hmmm...I like this explanation except I feel that TPTB didn't quite pull this off. If they had portrayed Davis like this from the beginning, I would have bought that, but they made him self-loathing. He went to confessional, he appeared to have extreme guilt, and attempted to have Chloe kill him. He was even agreeing with Oliver to kill him when he was tied up. But the writers flip flopped his character to fit their own needs. Oh Smallville writers :lol:

topping82
05-14-2009, 11:15 PM
You know what, I'm find if they do this. I heard a rumor that Doomsday would be back next season. I don't care what they do - they just need to redeem Davis. He wasn't bent on evil. And Chloe should seriously consider her hand in all of this. Davis didn't ask her to lie to him or to encourage him to run away with her or to talk about making a life together. Leading someone on doesn't = saving them. PS3 fix it please.

They really do need to find a way to redeem Davis, and I think this is the most plausible way to do it. Though, if they do, I don't think it would happen till mid-season. But I'm not holding my breath!!!:mad:

I mean last episode they have Dr. Hamilton saying that Chloe isn't being honest about her feelings for Davis. In this episode she acts like she hates him and that he's a psychopath? :rolleyes:

I'm mad they killed Jimmy, but even angrier that not one character gave a crap about Davis.

He deserved something, and so did his fans.

Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 11:17 PM
Hmmm...I like this explanation except I feel that TPTB didn't quite pull this off. If they had portrayed Davis like this from the beginning, I would have bought that, but they made him self-loathing. He went to confessional, he appeared to have extreme guilt, and attempted to have Chloe kill him. He was even agreeing with Oliver to kill him when he was tied up. But the writers flip flopped his character to fit their own needs. Oh Smallville writers :lol:

Exactly. They flip-flopped him in a matter of minutes. Craziness. Jimmy also flip-flopped back in love with Chloe. Chloe flip-flopped out of love/infatuation/whatever with Davis. Nonsense.

topping82
05-14-2009, 11:18 PM
And on a side note, I just can't stomach the idea of comparing Davis to Ted Bundy. Davis has been closer to Rochester in Jane Eyre, Edward in Twilight, and the Beast in Beauty and the Beast. Or even The Hulk.

It's just inconsistent. He showed too much horror when no one else was around about killing. He was seeking redemption, not trying to hide that he "really" was having Ted Bundy type thoughts. He felt real guilt and according to Sam Witwer was good. He even said that the good guy/paramedic was the REAL Davis.

Not some sociopath in a log cabin.

Krypto~Luan
05-14-2009, 11:21 PM
The beast from beauty and the beast was rich, spoiled, and selfish. Not a mass murderer. :lol:

Plus he looked like a girl when he transformed back into a human in the disney movie. :lol:

topping82
05-14-2009, 11:21 PM
Exactly. They flip-flopped him in a matter of minutes. Craziness. Jimmy also flip-flopped back in love with Chloe. Chloe flip-flopped out of love/infatuation/whatever with Davis. Nonsense.

It was complete nonsense. In my opinion, Chimmy never worked. So it was nice to FINALLY have Chloe and Jimmy over that. Only to retcon and bring it back.

Chlavis was epic, and always will be in my mind. Not to mention their chemistry was miles hotter than AM and AA.

pen2paper
05-14-2009, 11:21 PM
Hmmm...I like this explanation except I feel that TPTB didn't quite pull this off. If they had portrayed Davis like this from the beginning, I would have bought that, but they made him self-loathing. He went to confessional, he appeared to have extreme guilt, and attempted to have Chloe kill him. He was even agreeing with Oliver to kill him when he was tied up. But the writers flip flopped his character to fit their own needs. Oh Smallville writers :lol:

ITA.

The writers can't seem to stay consistent. Why have this whole crazy with guilt, wants to kill himself, good guy (at least at the beginning) arc if they were just going to make him evil. I'm so annoyed that Clark finally stands for something Superman-like, finding the humanity in everyone and they turn it against him?

Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 11:22 PM
They really do need to find a way to redeem Davis, and I think this is the most plausible way to do it. Though, if they do, I don't think it would happen till mid-season. But I'm not holding my breath!!!:mad:

I mean last episode they have Dr. Hamilton saying that Chloe isn't being honest about her feelings for Davis. In this episode she acts like she hates him and that he's a psychopath? :rolleyes:

I'm mad they killed Jimmy, but even angrier that not one character gave a crap about Davis.

He deserved something, and so did his fans.

Totally agree. But don't get me started on Chloe's hand in this - the person who was kinda, sort of, used to be in love with Davis but was really confused because she wanted to save him. That's why she made homemade dinners for Davis and seemed to totally forget about Jimmy. Remember the time Clark walked in on them and she said "call much." That's why she baked dinners for him when he lived in the basement - that's why she offered to run away with him and while on the run with him talked about building a life together. This was all a part of the great plan of saving him. :rolleyes: I wonder if saving would have meant marriage and children. Saving someone means feeding them a life of lies. Hey if I were Davis I would be crushed too death at hearing that revelation, too. That might be enough to make him hate her, but Davis wouldn't kill her or Jimmy. He had the chance to kill Jimmy - he didn't. I agree we fans deserved more.

poetryfoot
05-14-2009, 11:23 PM
Exactly. They flip-flopped him in a matter of minutes. Craziness. Jimmy also flip-flopped back in love with Chloe. Chloe flip-flopped out of love/infatuation/whatever with Davis. Nonsense.
EPIC WORD. I am ssssssssssoooo disappointed in this episodes....even though Davis did kill people....I still really liked him ..........and even though Chloe has made some REALLY bad choices this season....I really like her...and I wanted them somehow to have a good ending....even though ...I thought she might confess her love for him and then he dies...that would have been tragic...but this THIS (whatever you can call it) CRAP ending for both of them....is the worst scenario for them....WHY did you turn Davis into a Jimmy killer? I wasn't much of a Jimmy fan, but I really liked him apart from Chloe...and then they kill him, and have DAVIS do it, and then I was least sort of hoping for a "it's my fault" from Chloe...so that we could see some sort of remorse from Chloe.. a little redemption...but NO ...I don't like how she told Clark she was doing what he wanted....you know, I NEVER thought I would say this...but ...no I can't say it, it almost made me wished Chloe and Davis died together while professing their love...at least they wouldn't have made them psycho and flip floppy....oh please, redeem Davis's name and Chloe next year....this is gonna be a long summer

Kryptochloe
05-14-2009, 11:24 PM
He has been killing people all season, even when he knew it was wrong. He was going to kill jimmy before. Still not the same or a valid argument.

Well, for me is a valid argument. Clearly I didn't see Davis the same way than you did.

Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 11:25 PM
ITA.

The writers can't seem to stay consistent. Why have this whole crazy with guilt, wants to kill himself, good guy (at least at the beginning) arc if they were just going to make him evil. I'm so annoyed that Clark finally stands for something Superman-like, finding the humanity in everyone and they turn it against him?

Totally agree. Thanks for crapping all over Clark, too. In this scenario, vengeful, kill-at-all-costs Oliver gets to be made out the hero. Is that what SV wants to teach now? Clark who wants to save at all costs gets kicked, but Oliver who has done everything he wanted this season - namely kill, gets to made out the hero. And this was all at the expense of Davis' character. That's some sharp writing there. :rolleyes:

topping82
05-14-2009, 11:26 PM
The beast from beauty and the beast was rich, spoiled, and selfish. Not a mass murderer. :lol:

Plus he looked like a girl when he transformed back into a human in the disney movie. :lol:

Sorry, but clearly you do not know very much about the archetype. Many of the "beasts" are killers in these stories. Look at Phantom of the Opera.

Maybe not in the Disney version. But even in La Belle et La Bete (BatB), the Beast is a killer. The narrator says so in the beginning.

Also, you're pin pointing to small details, not archetypal themes. And the cartoon is drastically different from the original fairy tales.

But I'm not going to debate BatB for too long. The Beast is seeking redemption and feels like a monster.

They've been comparing Chlavis to this story all season. Pity they didn't follow through in the end. It's very disheartening and sickening to watch in my opinion.

The "beast" should have been redeemed, or he should have "given" Chloe up. That's the way these BatB stories go.

So you can LOL all you want. But the BatB story is something I know a lot about. But you don't have to see the similarities. To each their own.

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Totally agree. Thanks for crapping all over Clark, too. In this scenario, vengeful, kill-at-all-costs Oliver gets to be made out the hero. Is that what SV wants to teach now? Clark who wants to save at all costs gets kicked, but Oliver who has done everything he wanted this season - namely kill, gets to made out the hero. And this was all at the expense of Davis' character. That's some sharp writing there. :rolleyes:

I 100% agree! What exactly are these writers trying to say?

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Totally agree. But don't get me started on Chloe's hand in this - the person who was kinda, sort of, used to be in love with Davis but was really confused because she wanted to save him. That's why she made homemade dinners for Davis and seemed to totally forget about Jimmy. Remember the time Clark walked in on them and she said "call much." That's why she baked dinners for him when he lived in the basement - that's why she offered to run away with him and while on the run with him talked about building a life together. This was all a part of the great plan of saving him. :rolleyes: I wonder if saving would have meant marriage and children. Saving someone means feeding them a life of lies. Hey if I were Davis I would be crushed too death at hearing that revelation, too. That might be enough to make him hate her, but Davis wouldn't kill her or Jimmy. He had the chance to kill Jimmy - he didn't. I agree we fans deserved more.

Again, I completely agree.

Krypto~Luan
05-14-2009, 11:28 PM
Well, for me is a valid argument. Clearly I didn't see Davis the same way than you did.

And obssessed crazy man without any rational? A mass murderer? Guess not.

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Sorry, but clearly you do not know very much about the archetype. Many of the "beasts" are killers in these stories. Look at Phantom of the Opera.



It's called....a joke. -_-

Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 11:31 PM
EPIC WORD. I am ssssssssssoooo disappointed in this episodes....even though Davis did kill people....I still really liked him ..........and even though Chloe has made some REALLY bad choices this season....I really like her...and I wanted them somehow to have a good ending....even though ...I thought she might confess her love for him and then he dies...that would have been tragic...but this THIS (whatever you can call it) CRAP ending for both of them....is the worst scenario for them....WHY did you turn Davis into a Jimmy killer? I wasn't much of a Jimmy fan, but I really liked him apart from Chloe...and then they kill him, and have DAVIS do it, and then I was least sort of hoping for a "it's my fault" from Chloe...so that we could see some sort of remorse from Chloe.. a little redemption...but NO ...I don't like how she told Clark she was doing what he wanted....you know, I NEVER thought I would say this...but ...no I can't say it, it almost made me wished Chloe and Davis died together while professing their love...at least they wouldn't have made them psycho and flip floppy....oh please, redeem Davis's name and Chloe next year....this is gonna be a long summer

BINGO with a capital "B". Can't believe I almost forgot about that. What was that supposed to mean? Using the Black-K is what she wanted to do, now she wants to put it on Clark. Oliver was getting ready to kill Davis. Super-Chloe jumps in to separate him, but of course she was doing Clark's bidding. Whatever. :rolleyes: I haven't said this all season, but I feel like Chloe didn't own up to anything in this episode. She looked like she was perfectly happy lying on the car with Davis while they talked about getting further away. Chloe even basically said she wanted people to stop hunting them. Then she plays this "save you" card at the end. Even so, that's nothing compared to making Davis more of a beast than Doomsday. Like I said, TPTB killed three character off tonight - Davis, Jimmy and Chloe. Jimmy's not coming back. But I'd be grateful if they could fix Davis and thereby Chloe too.

smallvillerocks45
05-14-2009, 11:33 PM
I don't know. Part of me believes that PS3 didn't ruin Davis at all, that this is who he was the whole time.

Davis was selfish. He knew Chloe was going to get married, got angry, killed some people in a black-out moment, and then mystically found his way to Clark's barn to ruin the wedding. I think Davis did that on purpose, and hoped he actually had killed Jimmy then. Then, the whole part about drugging Jimmy, and making everyone believe that Jimmy was crazy - it was just an obsessed man's ploy to get the girl. He wanted to hurt anyone who stood in his way --- but to make himself less monstrous to Chloe he forced himself to just kill the "bad" guys. He was a bad guy. Sad as it is - maybe he didn't want to be bad - but he was. Sociopaths may not always want to be so, but that doesn't mean that they aren't....

rarebreed
05-14-2009, 11:34 PM
... didn't he keep that rosary from one of the people he killed? Hung it on the rear-view of his ambulance?
Kind of like a "trophy".

He was nice in the beginning, but as the season progressed I could see him slipping more and more down the slope into insanity and all that. Despite killing to keep the beast at bay, it's still killing. It didn't really even work anyway, cause he still lost control. Especially when Chloe and another man were involved (I mean, he picked her wedding to another man out of all places to attack). He told her she was marrying the wrong guy when he hadn't known her that long. He didn't have the right, but then kissed her (and she kind of kissed back)? The phone calls and all that.
He was already unstable, and separating the two "personas" just magnified the instability.

I liked him in his first few appearances, but as time went on I really didn't think it was going to end any other way.....

thehenry89
05-14-2009, 11:34 PM
I don't know. Part of me believes that PS3 didn't ruin Davis at all, that this is who he was the whole time.

Davis was selfish. He knew Chloe was going to get married, got angry, killed some people in a black-out moment, and then mystically found his way to Clark's barn to ruin the wedding. I think Davis did that on purpose, and hoped he actually had killed Jimmy then. Then, the whole part about drugging Jimmy, and making everyone believe that Jimmy was crazy - it was just an obsessed man's ploy to get the girl. He wanted to hurt anyone who stood in his way --- but to make himself less monstrous to Chloe he forced himself to just kill the "bad" guys. He was a bad guy. Sad as it is - maybe he didn't want to be bad - but he was. Sociopaths may not always want to be so, but that doesn't mean that they aren't....

so much word to all of this.

Krypto~Luan
05-14-2009, 11:36 PM
... didn't he keep that rosary from one of the people he killed? Hung it on the rear-view of his ambulance?
Kind of like a "trophy".

He was nice in the beginning, but as the season progressed I could see him slipping more and more down the slope into insanity and all that. Despite killing to keep the beast at bay, it's still killing. It didn't really even work anyway, cause he still lost control. Especially when Chloe and another man were involved (I mean, he picked her wedding to another man out of all places to attack). He told her she was marrying the wrong guy when he hadn't known her that long. He didn't have the right, but then kissed her (and she kind of kissed back)? The phone calls and all that.
He was already unstable, and separating the two "personas" just magnified the instability.

I liked him in his first few appearances, but as time went on I really didn't think it was going to end any other way.....

Agreed. Ive been saying that.

Plus if he was actually with her in further season, i would have wagered he would have been an abusive boyfriend. Honestly.

BackToTheLies
05-14-2009, 11:36 PM
I don't understand why people are disappointed with Davis' arc. There are enough things to complain about this show being a big tease, and then they finally follow through with a "destiny" angle, as it was promised at the beggining.

Davis was written to be consumed by the beast inside of him. Like he said as he went out:"there is nothing left to save."

Doesn't mean he was always a killer, but it's just a simple case of too little too late and a self fulfilling prophecy. You can always mourn for the Davis of the beggining of the season but there is no excuse for the acts he willingly committed just to salvage his own self.

rarebreed
05-14-2009, 11:37 PM
I don't know. Part of me believes that PS3 didn't ruin Davis at all, that this is who he was the whole time.

Davis was selfish. He knew Chloe was going to get married, got angry, killed some people in a black-out moment, and then mystically found his way to Clark's barn to ruin the wedding. I think Davis did that on purpose, and hoped he actually had killed Jimmy then. Then, the whole part about drugging Jimmy, and making everyone believe that Jimmy was crazy - it was just an obsessed man's ploy to get the girl. He wanted to hurt anyone who stood in his way --- but to make himself less monstrous to Chloe he forced himself to just kill the "bad" guys. He was a bad guy. Sad as it is - maybe he didn't want to be bad - but he was. Sociopaths may not always want to be so, but that doesn't mean that they aren't....


Ding, ding! You said it much better than I did. :lol:
Doesn't help me for kind of feeling sorry for him though, at least in terms of how he grew up and all that. He did get the short end of the stick in that department... but beyond that, I agree with what you said.

LuthorKent90
05-14-2009, 11:37 PM
Davis is a selfish jerk. He sabotaged the the Chimmy marriage, murders people who he thinks "deserve it", and lusts over Chloe someone else's wife. There was nothing to ruin. He was a bigger monster than Doomsday as he's the monster by choice.


You summed it up excellently. :D

Krypto~Luan
05-14-2009, 11:38 PM
Davis was OBSESSED! He was bad from the getgo. Just bad in the human way.

samanthalyn720
05-14-2009, 11:40 PM
I agree... I was very upset at his ending. Even SW has said in interviews that the point of DD having a human side is that when Davis started turning into Doomsday, the audience wouldn't actually want it to happen. It just sucks for all the fans that liked Davis and had hope that he could be saved.

Lilah
05-14-2009, 11:41 PM
Hmmm...I like this explanation except I feel that TPTB didn't quite pull this off. If they had portrayed Davis like this from the beginning, I would have bought that, but they made him self-loathing. He went to confessional, he appeared to have extreme guilt, and attempted to have Chloe kill him. He was even agreeing with Oliver to kill him when he was tied up. But the writers flip flopped his character to fit their own needs. Oh Smallville writers :lol:

Actually, I think they did play him that way. He made those around him think of him as the victim. They only one who saw through the facade was Jimmy and no one believed him. Jimmy should have been Clark's sidekick since he walked on the show. He showed he was much better at it than anyone else....

Even til the end he had so much faith in Clark, that he did what Clark asked him to (taking Chloe and Davis to a safe place) even though a part of him didn't want to help Davis... Jimmy should have gone with his gut but he trusted Clark...

And I'm not making this out to be Clark's fault. I still blame Chloe. She started the whole thing.

Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 11:41 PM
Exactly. Not the same... way to react.
First he is willing to give his life and then he goes nuts and kill a person?? Not sense.

For some reason they wanted to just crap on his arc. Did Sam Witter make someone mad? Davis seemed to loathe killing people. It seemed to make him physically ill. He went to confessional. He tried to kill himself. He did not encourage Chloe to run away with. In fact he said "I can't ask you to do that". Chloe said, "it's a good thing you're not asking." Davis was not someone who wanted to kill. He didn't enjoy it. He wanted to stay near Chloe to stop killing. It worked. Then you separate him from Doomsday and all of sudden he's lost all of his conscience. When just previously he said that the JL needed to kill him. Where did that part of Davis go? It couldn't have just disappeared. Where did the part of Davis go that enjoyed helping people - the EMT? Posters, do you have any thoughts on this? There was still good in Davis up until he killed Jimmy.
At least with Lex, I get 7 years of watching him spiral into craziness. You do it to Davis in 5 minutes. With Lex, I was able to see him literally throw the "good part of himself" into the fire. I was given no explanation for the evaporation of Davis' good side in a matter of minutes. Poof it's gone. If this were LOST, I'd say this was fake-Davis, old Smokie impersonating Davis, but I digress (and that bit about LOST makes no sense to posters who don't watch LOST, but for those of you who do - you know what I mean). I would just like for them to tell us what happened to the good part of Davis.

thehenry89
05-14-2009, 11:42 PM
As usual TPTB used literary metaphors incorrectly and the charachter's suffer for it, but TBH I'm not suprised at all that davis' killed Jimmy his pathology is such that he would have done anyting to satisfy his obsession I.E. chloe.

Kschreck
05-14-2009, 11:43 PM
... One minute he was saying to Chloe that she should let the JL kill him... and the next he goes all crazy and kills Jimmy???? I mean, C'mon!!!! Beyond any logic and respect to the storyline developed through all season...


Yeah, it seems like nothing at all makes sense anymore. They can't even get the continuity of a single episode working right and wasn't Davis Bloome suppose to be an honest to goodness good guy except for Doomsday needing to kill people? They recon that as well?

CloisFan17
05-14-2009, 11:44 PM
I do have to agree what they did to his character is beyond disbelief, I mean first they lead us to believe that Davis is this great guy who would never do any harm unless he was Doomsday. & then he goes & kills Jimmy without Doomsday in him???!! I don't get it it's crazy in my eyes

Krypto~Luan
05-14-2009, 11:44 PM
People never complained this way with the other two guys did they? Only over Lana mostly.

Lilah
05-14-2009, 11:44 PM
Exactly. They flip-flopped him in a matter of minutes. Craziness. Jimmy also flip-flopped back in love with Chloe. Chloe flip-flopped out of love/infatuation/whatever with Davis. Nonsense.

Davis has been a killer from the first time we saw him black out in the 2nd episode, because you just know that he killed someone during that "blackout", Jimmy never fell out of love with Chloe... he always loved her but he didn't like playing second fiddle to all the men in her life, which was totally understandable by the way. As for Chloe, I think a part of her always loved Jimmy still, especially when Davis didn't kill him in Beast because he knew Chloe wouldn't forgive him... so no I don't think that was nonesense. In fact that one scene made the most sense, even though I hated the outcome. I would have rather seen Davis die a million times than Jimmy...

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I do have to agree what they did to his character is beyond disbelief, I mean first they lead us to believe that Davis is this great guy who would never do any harm unless he was Doomsday. & then he goes & kills Jimmy without Doomsday in him???!! I don't get it it's crazy in my eyes

It's really not. Davis and Doomsday are and were one. You can't seperate the monster when he is the monster. I don't know if that makes any sense. But even though they seperated the Kryptonian side, Davis Bloome killed all those people, not Doomsday.

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For some reason they wanted to just crap on his arc. Did Sam Witter make someone mad? Davis seemed to loathe killing people. It seemed to make him physically ill. He went to confessional. He tried to kill himself. He did not encourage Chloe to run away with. In fact he said "I can't ask you to do that". Chloe said, "it's a good thing you're not asking." Davis was not someone who wanted to kill. He didn't enjoy it. He wanted to stay near Chloe to stop killing. It worked. Then you separate him from Doomsday and all of sudden he's lost all of his conscience. When just previously he said that the JL needed to kill him. Where did that part of Davis go? It couldn't have just disappeared. Where did the part of Davis go that enjoyed helping people - the EMT? Posters, do you have any thoughts on this? There was still good in Davis up until he killed Jimmy.
At least with Lex, I get 7 years of watching him spiral into craziness. You do it to Davis in 5 minutes. With Lex, I was able to see him literally throw the "good part of himself" into the fire. I was given no explanation for the evaporation of Davis' good side in a matter of minutes. Poof it's gone. If this were LOST, I'd say this was fake-Davis, old Smokie impersonating Davis, but I digress (and that bit about LOST makes no sense to posters who don't watch LOST, but for those of you who do - you know what I mean). I would just like for them to tell us what happened to the good part of Davis.

Did you watch Turbulence??? Davis Bloome killed that drunk driver, not Doomsday.

Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 11:47 PM
As usual TPTB used literary metaphors incorrectly and the charachter's suffer for it, but TBH I'm not suprised at all that davis' killed Jimmy his pathology is such that he would have done anyting to satisfy his obsession I.E. chloe.

It's interesting how they made him obsessed in a matter of two episodes. I had chalked the first one (where he won't go into the PZ) to Doomsday because Davis' eyes turned red. Then they do it again tonight with his killing Jimmy. They tried to make him obsessed in the span of two episodes. They spent more time convincing the audience that he hated what he was becoming. He wanted to die. He wanted to be saved. Then they break all of that and just say throw in that he's obsessed and monster through and through. Is it really character development when it's rushed in the span of two episodes?

Lilah
05-14-2009, 11:48 PM
It's interesting how they made him obsessed in a matter of two episodes. I had chalked the first one (where he won't go into the PZ) to Doomsday because Davis' eyes turned red. Then they do it again tonight with his killing Jimmy. They tried to make him obsessed in the span of two episodes. They spent more time convincing the audience that he hated what he was becoming. He wanted to die. He wanted to be saved. Then they break all of that and just say throw in that he's obsessed and monster through and through. Is it really character development when it's rushed in the span of two episodes?

The fact that he kept looking for her while she was engaged and married showed just how obssessed he was. He was obssessed all season, not just for two episodes.

chlavisbug
05-14-2009, 11:49 PM
Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I won't try to convince you otherwise, but I thought Davis started off as a good guy. He and Chloe had this really great connection. He didn't even ask Chloe to go away with him to Edge City. She did all of that. He didn't try to leave Smallville. She didn't have to tell him she would do anything for him. She lied to him. Fed him a life that would never exist. Even so, that wouldn't have made Davis do what he did -- kill Jimmy. Davis would have been hurt, but not crazy-beast, killer crazy. Nope, the powers that be introduced a new character (in addition to Zod) in the last 5 minutes - alterna-Davis. Changing Davis like this had serious ramifications for both Jimmy (err, I'm sorry alterna-Jimmy) and Clark.

i totally agree with you. it didnt make sense the way he just seemed like a complete different person, not DAVIS that we met at the beginning..oh why did they have to do that
i think the best thing for me is to just not build my hopes up, have any theories, ship anyone because it'll just disappoint me abysmally.

R.I.P chlavis

i was NOT HAPPY about what they did to chloe- she is now a confused girl who doesnt know what she feels. DID NOT LIKE HER AT ALL IN THE FINALE

CloisFan17
05-14-2009, 11:50 PM
I just still think it's crazy & sad for his character

thehenry89
05-14-2009, 11:50 PM
The fact that he kept looking for her while she was engaged and married showed just how obssessed he was. He was obssessed all season, not just for two episodes.

True

And his obsession has continously manifested itself in a violent fashion.

Krypto~Luan
05-14-2009, 11:51 PM
The fact that he kept looking for her while she was engaged and married showed just how obssessed he was. He was obssessed all season, not just for two episodes.

I tried making that point. :lol: its true. Davis's arc was plotted out. Bye time he was human, there was no room for reason left was there? If it were me, i woldnt have killed of jimmy. Just davis.

dru-zod2501
05-14-2009, 11:51 PM
Thanks for ruining Davis' character in the last 5 minutes. This guy was the sweetest guy in the beginning. He had great chemistry with Chloe. He was willing to kill himself to spare Clark, Chloe and the world. He loved Chloe. He tried as much as possible to keep the beast within so that it wouldn't destroy the world. He so wanted to build a life with Chloe (who encouraged him and made him believe that she loved him). Then he gets separated from the beast to become a crazed, obsessed killer. What??!!! Why ruin him like this? What did this profit. Why not just have Doomsday kill him? That would have been a better death than we got. Why not have Jimmy die protecting Chloe from Doomsday? Now Chloe hates Davis - the guy she almost, could have, sort of, used to almost love (don't get me started on that). I just hate that they got rid of Davis like this. I think he deserved better. I think it was crap that Chloe said she "thought" she loved him, but realized she just wanted to save him. What kind of a person are they trying to make her? She doesn't know when or if she's in love. She can be in and out of love just like that. So the dates at her place (prior to his moving to the basement), the homemade cooked dinners (while he was in the basement) and hanging out on the car looking at the stars and talking about building a life together with Davis = I want to save you. Whatever Chloe. :rolleyes: PS3 you ruined two characters tonight for me - Davis and Chloe (the two people I originally loved the most this season). Well done. :mad:
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Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 11:52 PM
i totally agree with you. it didnt make sense the way he just seemed like a complete different person, not DAVIS that we met at the beginning..oh why did they have to do that
i think the best thing for me is to just not build my hopes up, have any theories, ship anyone because it'll just disappoint me abysmally.

R.I.P chlavis

i was NOT HAPPY about what they did to chloe- she is now a confused girl who doesnt know what she feels. DID NOT LIKE HER AT ALL IN THE FINALE

I agree. I defended Chloe this whole season. I can't defend her in this episode. Saving him. That's her excuse, "I thought I loved you, but I really just wanted to save you." When did that epiphany happen? Hmm, on top of the car as you talked about your future together? :rolleyes:

Sports72Xtrm
05-14-2009, 11:53 PM
Yes lets all feel sad for all the handsome scumbags with a sob story in the world.

Krypto~Luan
05-14-2009, 11:53 PM
My best friends ex boyfriend was a "nice guy", until he hit her. It takes time to see the monser within.

poetryfoot
05-14-2009, 11:53 PM
BINGO with a capital "B". Can't believe I almost forgot about that. What was that supposed to mean? Using the Black-K is what she wanted to do, now she wants to put it on Clark. Oliver was getting ready to kill Davis. Super-Chloe jumps in to separate him, but of course she was doing Clark's bidding. Whatever. :rolleyes: I haven't said this all season, but I feel like Chloe didn't own up to anything in this episode. She looked like she was perfectly happy lying on the car with Davis while they talked about getting further away. Chloe even basically said she wanted people to stop hunting them. Then she plays this "save you" card at the end. Even so, that's nothing compared to making Davis more of a beast than Doomsday. Like I said, TPTB killed three character off tonight - Davis, Jimmy and Chloe. Jimmy's not coming back. But I'd be grateful if they could fix Davis and thereby Chloe too.

I know, I have been a HUGE Chloe fan since day one...and even at times when I thought she made really bad decisions, like investigating Clark for Lionel and some other times, at least she owned up to it and knew that what she had done was wrong. I was like, yeah, I wouldn't have done that, but at least she took fault for what she had done and worked hard to regain herself. That's what I LOVE about Chloe, she fights tooth and nail to protect people, but she still makes mistakes, and usually owns up to them, and learns from her mistakes.....WEll, she didn't this time, in a MAJOR way...I love Chloe, and I always will, but they made me annoyed and really mad at her this episode...UGH. I'm glad that she tried to save both Clark and Davis, ...but what the heck, did she feel "ANYTHING" for Davis? She "only" loves Jimmy? She was doing this "ALL" for Clark? I don't buy any of it...Who is she, three different people??? She loves Jimmy, but trusts and leaves with Davis more? She feels something for Davis and wants to save him, but then she is doing this "only" for Clark? She is doing what Clark wanted all along, but she won't take any responsibility? I DON'T GET THIS CHLOE< give her back to us!!
I know, I thought the opening scene on the car was great..I was like yeah, "Persephone and her dark prince" run as fast as you can, or at least give us Persephone admitting her love for the dark prince, I mean, if Davis HAS to die, give us a redeeming death, and some CHLAVIS love...just a bit....I know, that this wasn't just onesided, Chloe did feel something for him. BUT THEY RUINED IT ALL....
I feel in a way, the only one they made me like (out of Davis, Chloe, Jimmy) was Jimmy. I used to get annoyed with him, but he was so cute in this episode, they they "off" him...he was a hero....but I guess it had to happen for the mythos..
They ruined Chloe for me, but at least there's still hope. They ruined Chlavis for me, I don't they there's any hope. They REALLY ruined Davis for me...is there any hope? Probably not....turn him into a killer....
I really liked the scene with the car, and how Davis said that the JL should kill him, and when Chloe jumped in front of him, and Ollie said,"No, Chloe!" or whatever, I was like oh no Chloe is gonna get hit and injured...but it would have been better then her separting him with Black K...look what happened, everything is ruined...and then she says it's what Clark wanted...c'mon Chloe, you better redeem yourself....I am so disappointed. GRRR
anyways, I could go on forever, so I'll stop.

Ella
05-14-2009, 11:53 PM
The fact that he kept looking for her while she was engaged and married showed just how obssessed he was. He was obssessed all season, not just for two episodes.

That's true.

thehenry89
05-14-2009, 11:54 PM
I agree. I defended Chloe this whole season. I can't defend her in this episode. Saving him. That's her excuse, "I thought I loved you, but I really just wanted to save you." When did that epiphany happen? Hmm, on top of the car as you talked about your future together? :rolleyes:

probably after she googled the real myth of persephone and hades, and realised he made up the fairy tale ending :lol:

Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 11:55 PM
The fact that he kept looking for her while she was engaged and married showed just how obssessed he was. He was obssessed all season, not just for two episodes.

That was due to the Brainiac connection.

jpfort1957
05-14-2009, 11:55 PM
There never was a real Davis.

thehenry89
05-14-2009, 11:56 PM
That was due to the Brainiac connection.

It persisted even after they got rid of brainiac.

Lilah
05-14-2009, 11:56 PM
Yes lets all feel sad for all the handsome scumbags with a sob story in the world.

LOL! Again I say it, where are Sam and Dean when you need them? They would have wasted Davis Bloome in the third episode....

Sports72Xtrm
05-14-2009, 11:57 PM
probably after she googled the real myth of persephone and hades, and realised he made up the fairy tale ending :lol:
Oh yeah Persephone didn't choose to live with Hades! Hades tricked her into a deal with her mother Demetris saying that if she ate didn't eat anything for 6 months she could leave but if she did she would have to stay with him and tricked Persephone into eating pomegranate seeds. That sly liar.:lol:

Lilah
05-14-2009, 11:57 PM
That was due to the Brainiac connection.

Yeah, they got rid of Brainiac in Legion.... then it got worst... explain that.

thehenry89
05-14-2009, 11:58 PM
when you think about it Davis has been a killer since he first came to earth. First he killed Lex's bird feathers, then he killed Lionel's security guy who dropped him off in metropolis.

poetryfoot
05-14-2009, 11:58 PM
i totally agree with you. it didnt make sense the way he just seemed like a complete different person, not DAVIS that we met at the beginning..oh why did they have to do that
i think the best thing for me is to just not build my hopes up, have any theories, ship anyone because it'll just disappoint me abysmally.

R.I.P chlavis

i was NOT HAPPY about what they did to chloe- she is now a confused girl who doesnt know what she feels. DID NOT LIKE HER AT ALL IN THE FINALE

I KNOW, I AGREE. Well, I shipped Chlark for forever ....that was a disappointment, then Chlavis, TRAGIC AND AWFUL....(At least there is Clois, I like them)....oh


why did they ruin Chlavis? They ruined it in the worst way, and Chloe too....

Clana4Life
05-14-2009, 11:58 PM
probably after she googled the real myth of persephone and hades, and realised he made up the fairy tale ending :lol:

Wha-wha-what...??? I thought that was the real story. That Persephone chose to stay with him 6 months out of the year willingly? Now I've got to go wikipedia it. :) But I like your take on that. Chloe changed her mind about loving him after she read the real mythos story. :)

smallvillereporter27
05-14-2009, 11:58 PM
Actually, I think they did play him that way. He made those around him think of him as the victim. They only one who saw through the facade was Jimmy and no one believed him. Jimmy should have been Clark's sidekick since he walked on the show. He showed he was much better at it than anyone else....

Even til the end he had so much faith in Clark, that he did what Clark asked him to (taking Chloe and Davis to a safe place) even though a part of him didn't want to help Davis... Jimmy should have gone with his gut but he trusted Clark...

And I'm not making this out to be Clark's fault. I still blame Chloe. She started the whole thing.

I see where you're coming from. I just don't think it was executed as well as it could have been. You're right though, Jimmy knew the whole time and should have trusted his instincts :(

I don't like to play the blame game...though I think Chloe should've taken more of the blame than she did. (Then again...she is now completely alone so I think she has some regrets) But ultimately it was the lack of communication between Clark, Ollie, and Chloe that caused all of this. (And TPTB for screwing all of this up :rolleyes:)

topping82
05-15-2009, 12:03 AM
Yes lets all feel sad for all the handsome scumbags with a sob story in the world.

No need to be rude. There are a lot of us who love Davis.

thehenry89
05-15-2009, 12:05 AM
No need to be rude. There are a lot of us who love Davis.

I liked davis, but I like him for what he truly was a bad guy.

It's the same reason I like the joker, and lex luthour bad guys are intersting.

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 12:05 AM
I know, I have been a HUGE Chloe fan since day one...and even at times when I thought she made really bad decisions, like investigating Clark for Lionel and some other times, at least she owned up to it and knew that what she had done was wrong. I was like, yeah, I wouldn't have done that, but at least she took fault for what she had done and worked hard to regain herself. That's what I LOVE about Chloe, she fights tooth and nail to protect people, but she still makes mistakes, and usually owns up to them, and learns from her mistakes.....WEll, she didn't this time, in a MAJOR way...I love Chloe, and I always will, but they made me annoyed and really mad at her this episode...UGH. I'm glad that she tried to save both Clark and Davis, ...but what the heck, did she feel "ANYTHING" for Davis? She "only" loves Jimmy? She was doing this "ALL" for Clark? I don't buy any of it...Who is she, three different people??? She loves Jimmy, but trusts and leaves with Davis more? She feels something for Davis and wants to save him, but then she is doing this "only" for Clark? She is doing what Clark wanted all along, but she won't take any responsibility? I DON'T GET THIS CHLOE< give her back to us!!
I know, I thought the opening scene on the car was great..I was like yeah, "Persephone and her dark prince" run as fast as you can, or at least give us Persephone admitting her love for the dark prince, I mean, if Davis HAS to die, give us a redeeming death, and some CHLAVIS love...just a bit....I know, that this wasn't just onesided, Chloe did feel something for him. BUT THEY RUINED IT ALL....
I feel in a way, the only one they made me like (out of Davis, Chloe, Jimmy) was Jimmy. I used to get annoyed with him, but he was so cute in this episode, they they "off" him...he was a hero....but I guess it had to happen for the mythos..
They ruined Chloe for me, but at least there's still hope. They ruined Chlavis for me, I don't they there's any hope. They REALLY ruined Davis for me...is there any hope? Probably not....turn him into a killer....
I really liked the scene with the car, and how Davis said that the JL should kill him, and when Chloe jumped in front of him, and Ollie said,"No, Chloe!" or whatever, I was like oh no Chloe is gonna get hit and injured...but it would have been better then her separting him with Black K...look what happened, everything is ruined...and then she says it's what Clark wanted...c'mon Chloe, you better redeem yourself....I am so disappointed. GRRR
anyways, I could go on forever, so I'll stop.

Boggles the mind. Much like Davis telling Oliver to kill him. Davis was still trying to save the world to the end. He wanted to die. He said he could not control the beast any longer. "Kill me." JL is about to - but CHloe jumps in and separates him. Now he's totally bad. How does that make sense? How does the "human" part of him now want to kill the only person he loves and also a person he said he could never kill because he knew how much Jimmy meant to Chloe. This does not make sense. Contradictions are flying in this episode. Much like Chloe who was doing this completely for Clark, but also for Jimmy who she was really doing it for, but ultimately for Davis who she wanted to save while saving Clark but also for the love of Jimmy because of the strong connection almost love for Davis. :mad: That's the kind of writing that leaves no confusion. :rolleyes:

Lilah
05-15-2009, 12:06 AM
when you think about it Davis has been a killer since he first came to earth. First he killed Lex's bird feathers, then he killed Lionel's security guy who dropped him off in metropolis.

The dead bird was my favorite part of that episode by the way.... (such a great homage to the comic, the first scene Doomsday appears in)

The whole time they've shown us that he was a monster inside and out... just because he had this forbidden love thing going on with Chloe suddenly he got the sympathy vote.

But he was always a killer. Tonight he proved us right.

Supsfan
05-15-2009, 12:08 AM
Davis was this Season's Jason Teague, there for a romantic interest and when they need to get rid of him, they come up with some stupid scenerio that is out of character

thehenry89
05-15-2009, 12:09 AM
The dead bird was my favorite part of that episode by the way.... (such a great homage to the comic, the first scene Doomsday appears in)

The whole time they've shown us that he was a monster inside and out... just because he had this forbidden love thing going on with Chloe suddenly he got the sympathy vote.

But he was always a killer. Tonight he proved us right.

Exactly!
It doesn't matter how hard he fought (or didn't fight) his true nature in the end he sucumbed.

Lilah
05-15-2009, 12:09 AM
I see where you're coming from. I just don't think it was executed as well as it could have been. You're right though, Jimmy knew the whole time and should have trusted his instincts :(

I don't like to play the blame game...though I think Chloe should've taken more of the blame than she did. (Then again...she is now completely alone so I think she has some regrets) But ultimately it was the lack of communication between Clark, Ollie, and Chloe that caused all of this. (And TPTB for screwing all of this up :rolleyes:)

I don't think it was lack of communication... but more than they couldn't agree on one solution. They had a different solution....

Chloe wanted to run away with Davis

Clark wanted to send him to the PZ

and Oliver wanted to kill him...

By the time they acted on it, it was too late... That's all that happened. If they'd just listened to Jimmy from the beginning..... things may have turned out differently...

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Davis was this Season's Jason Teague, there for a romantic interest and when they need to get rid of him, they come up with some stupid scenerio that is out of character

No way. You can not compare him to Jason Teague. Jason's evil twist came straight out of left field. Davis Bloome was expected from the beginning.

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Exactly!
It doesn't matter how hard he fought (or didn't fight) his true nature in the end he sucumbed.

ITA!

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 12:12 AM
Davis was this Season's Jason Teague, there for a romantic interest and when they need to get rid of him, they come up with some stupid scenerio that is out of character

You know what - you're completely right. Jason was the nicest, sweetest guy. In a matter of what - two episodes they made him some crazed, obsessed, lying killer. TPTB like to do that. And poor Jason never got redeemed. I guess I shouldn't hold my breath that they'll fix what they did to Davis.

poetryfoot
05-15-2009, 12:12 AM
Contradictions are flying in this episode. Much like Chloe who was doing this completely for Clark, but also for Jimmy who she was really doing it for, but ultimately for Davis who she wanted to save while saving Clark but also for the love of Jimmy because of the strong connection almost love for Davis. :mad: That's the kind of writing that leaves no confusion. :rolleyes:

Whoa, I'm getting confused just reading this :) They really (if they had the time) need to have the same writers write all of the episodes...because seriously, I don't know who any of these people are anymore...except maybe Lois....she's pretty consistent, in a good way, and Doomsday, well not even him, was he gonna kill Chloe in "Infamous" when he kidnapped her in "Bride"? ok, scratch Doomsday....the only consistent people might be Lois and Shelby? Maybe Brainiac came and took over all their brains and that's why this episode's character flops sucked big time...maybe I just ship Shelby + with some dog??? Dogs have consistent characters....

anyways, I hope they redeem at least Chloe somehow next season, even if they can't redeem Davis....maybe we can at least see Sam :\

Habits
05-15-2009, 12:12 AM
I'm with the group that doesn't think they ruined Davis' character. I think that either consciously or unconsciously he blamed everything he did on the Doomsday persona it was any easy out for him. Lets face it no one wants to admit they are a monster or murderer but if you look at the characters progression he went from having blackouts where people died to killing them while Davis. Who's to say that the desire to kill wasn't his psychotic human side that he chose to see as the Doomsday wanting out?

Either way as has been pointed out he was obsessed with Chloe and chose, as Davis, to do a lot of spiteful and hurtful things to Jimmy and others to get to the object of his desire.

CreamPuffer
05-15-2009, 12:13 AM
Yes lets all feel sad for all the handsome scumbags with a sob story in the world.

LOL, dude chill out. How about you move along to the Jimmy thread and let us grieve. Thank you.

poetryfoot
05-15-2009, 12:14 AM
[QUOTE=Lilah;4848994]The dead bird was my favorite part of that episode by the way.... (such a great homage to the comic, the first scene Doomsday appears in)

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I guess I am not a comics reader, could you enlighten me, there is a dead bird when Doomsday appears?

thehenry89
05-15-2009, 12:16 AM
[QUOTE=Lilah;4848994]The dead bird was my favorite part of that episode by the way.... (such a great homage to the comic, the first scene Doomsday appears in)

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I guess I am not a comics reader, could you enlighten me, there is a dead bird when Doomsday appears?

It's the first thing he kills when he escapes from his prison beneath cadmus.

poetryfoot
05-15-2009, 12:18 AM
It's the first thing he kills when he escapes from his prison beneath cadmus.
oh, cool, thanks. :) poor bird

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 12:20 AM
Smallville has become the iconic show for how to turn a good guy bad in 3 episodes or less. Jason Teague, Oliver and now Davis - all did 180s. I also don't even recognize Chloe anymore. I don't even know who she is. They crapped on Jimmy. He's not the real Jimmy. Ultimately this was a real let down. Why set up the whole Beauty and the Beast parallel just to make the man more of a beast than the actual beast. If this is a preview for the type of writing we'll get in S9, I'll just jump the boat here. This is craziness.

Lilah
05-15-2009, 12:21 AM
You know what - you're completely right. Jason was the nicest, sweetest guy. In a matter of what - two episodes they made him some crazed, obsessed, lying killer. TPTB like to do that. And poor Jason never got redeemed. I guess I shouldn't hold my breath that they'll fix what they did to Davis.

Seriously? How can you compare the two....? Davis Bloome is/was Doomsday, Earth's Ultimate Destroyer, a killer.

Jason Teague started off as Lana's boyfriend then suddenly he became mama's boy and did everything mommy dearest told him. That was a huge turn around on a character. Granted they did it so Jensen could go off to Supernatural.

But Davis Bloome has been written a killer since day 1. Since the moment they said he was coming on the show a light bulb should have gone off. This thing kills Superman. He's the ultimate baddie.

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I'm with the group that doesn't think they ruined Davis' character. I think that either consciously or unconsciously he blamed everything he did on the Doomsday persona it was any easy out for him. Lets face it no one wants to admit they are a monster or murderer but if you look at the characters progression he went from having blackouts where people died to killing them while Davis. Who's to say that the desire to kill wasn't his psychotic human side that he chose to see as the Doomsday wanting out?

Either way as has been pointed out he was obsessed with Chloe and chose, as Davis, to do a lot of spiteful and hurtful things to Jimmy and others to get to the object of his desire.

Don't worry, that group is the majority.

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Smallville has become the iconic show for how to turn a good guy bad in 3 episodes or less. Jason Teague, Oliver and now Davis - all did 180s. I also don't even recognize Chloe anymore. I don't even know who she is. They crapped on Jimmy. He's not the real Jimmy. Ultimately this was a real let down. Why set up the whole Beauty and the Beast parallel just to make the man more of a beast than the actual beast. If this is a preview for the type of writing we'll get in S9, I'll just jump the boat here. This is craziness.

I think the only one who was crapped on was Aaron Ashmore as an actor. As for the Beauty and the Beast... what did you think this was? Disney?

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 12:25 AM
Seriously? How can you compare the two....? Davis Bloome is/was Doomsday, Earth's Ultimate Destroyer, a killer.

Jason Teague started off as Lana's boyfriend then suddenly he became mama's boy and did everything mommy dearest told him. That was a huge turn around on a character. Granted they did it so Jensen could go off to Supernatural.

But Davis Bloome has been written a killer since day 1. Since the moment they said he was coming on the show a light bulb should have gone off. This thing kills Superman. He's the ultimate baddie.

Lilah, I agree with that about Doomsday. But they didn't write Davis this way. They wrote him as a caring EMT who had this connection with Chloe. Then they showed how he hated this dark side of himself. They showed how he wanted to die. They made it seem that he could be redeemed and whereas the beast was completely evil, the man Davis wanted to be normal. He wanted to be human and have a normal life. The 180 was showing that Davis, the man was worse than the beast. That came out of left field.

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I think the only one who was crapped on was Aaron Ashmore as an actor. As for the Beauty and the Beast... what did you think this was? Disney?

Nope. I wasn't just referring to the Disney version. This story predates Disney's modern conceptualization of Beauty and the Beast.

chlavisbug
05-15-2009, 12:27 AM
i loved davis, if only he wasnt a monster.
& didnt like the way they just changed his character at then end- they were building up as if he was a good guy but then with a bang, a flourish of a pipe he wasthe thing that he didnt want to become...

BackToTheLies
05-15-2009, 12:30 AM
I'd just like to also say, in fairness to the writing (or you could argue it's another cop out), I think that part of the "changing fate" at the end of Infamous was the turn that Davis' character took.

I don't think it was just Linda Lake's life for Chloe's, but Linda Lake also pushed Davis to trigger his first concious kill.

CreamPuffer
05-15-2009, 12:32 AM
I'm with the group that doesn't think they ruined Davis' character. I think that either consciously or unconsciously he blamed everything he did on the Doomsday persona it was any easy out for him. Lets face it no one wants to admit they are a monster or murderer but if you look at the characters progression he went from having blackouts where people died to killing them while Davis. Who's to say that the desire to kill wasn't his psychotic human side that he chose to see as the Doomsday wanting out?

Either way as has been pointed out he was obsessed with Chloe and chose, as Davis, to do a lot of spiteful and hurtful things to Jimmy and others to get to the object of his desire.

Ummm....not really. He had two choices, either kill to keep the beast contained or not to kill and have it kill a whole lot more people. What exactly was the guy supposed to do, since he's immortal and all? At least he chose to kill the bad guys to keep from turning into a beast. He had no choice.

As far as Jimmy, he was only trying to keep it a secret. What was he supposed to do? Admit that he was a killer so he could be locked up? When Jimmy broke into his ambulance, he initially pleaded with Jimmy and once J refused, Davis had to drug him. He could have killed him but he didn't.

Davis was a victim. He didn't ask to be a monster and he had not control over it. It's not an excuse, it's a fact. He tried to end his life and that speaks volumes about his character. Yes, as time went on he did get selfish because he though he had a chance at normal life with the person he loved. What's wrong with that? He never had anyone and he was always alone. Then, here shows up Chloe talking about "I'll do anything for you". He had such a horrible life and then he discovers this horrible secret. Have some pity for the poor guy.

In the final as well, he was willing to be killed by Oliver and Co. Once again, he showed that he was a good person. That whole last 5 minute 360 degree turn around was insane. These writers completely butchered his character. He should have had a more dignified ending. I'm so disgusted with how they ended his character, such horrible writing.

What they did to the Chloe and Davis's relationship was the biggest, sickest, most disgusting copout ever. They could have at least explained that it wasn't really Davis anymore and that somehow some of the Doomsday rage seeped into his human side. Which would make sense, since he spend like 2 weeks in that crystal thingy. Anyway, I don't buy this whole he was a psychopath to begin with. That's complete BS.

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Davis was this Season's Jason Teague, there for a romantic interest and when they need to get rid of him, they come up with some stupid scenerio that is out of character

Exactly! This is why this show has horrible writers. Who pays these chipmunks?

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 12:35 AM
It was just a disappointing end to a character's run. Sorry Sam Witter, I thought your character deserved a better exit than to be turned into some obsessed killer who still seemed to have the beast inside of him. He seemed to have super-strength still. I won't hold my breath for redemption for Davis. The writers probably won't ever give that. It is what it is. Chloe may still come across as having three personalities who say and do completely different things. Oh, well. This is the turn SV is taking.

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Ummm....not really. He had two choices, either kill to keep the beast contained or not to kill and have it kill a whole lot more people. What exactly was the guy supposed to do, since he's immortal and all? At least he chose to kill the bad guys to keep from turning into a beast. He had no choice.

As far as Jimmy, he was only trying to keep it a secret. What was he supposed to do? Admit that he was a killer so he could be locked up? When Jimmy broke into his ambulance, he initially pleaded with Jimmy and once J refused, Davis had to drug him. He could have killed him but he didn't.

Davis was a victim. He didn't ask to be a monster and he had not control over it. It's not an excuse, it's a fact. He tried to end his life and that speaks volumes about his character. Yes, as time went on he did get selfish because he though he had a chance at normal life with the person he loved. What's wrong with that? He never had anyone and he was always alone. Then, here shows up Chloe talking about "I'll do anything for you". He had such a horrible life and then he discovers this horrible secret. Have some pity for the poor guy.

In the final as well, he was willing to be killed by Oliver and Co. Once again, he showed that he was a good person. That whole last 5 minute 360 degree turn around was insane. These writers completely butchered his character. He should have had a more dignified ending. I'm so disgusted with how they ended his character, such horrible writing.

What they did to the Chloe and Davis's relationship was the biggest, sickest, most disgusting copout ever. They could have at least explained that it wasn't really Davis anymore and that somehow some of the Doomsday rage seeped into his human side. Which would make sense, since he spend like 2 weeks in that crystal thingy. Anyway, I don't buy this whole he was a psychopath to begin with. That's complete BS.

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Exactly! This is why this show has horrible writers. Who pays these chipmunks?

I'll just say ditto to this. Well said. Think we should hold out hope that they'll fix this next season?

Kika
05-15-2009, 12:36 AM
I understand him, He was upset with Chloe, because she made him believe that she loves him, and later notice that she still in love with Jimmy.
That can make mad anyone.
I'm so glad that he kill Jimmy.
and I hope that next season Zod to take revenge of his son's dead and kill every one.

I'm just upset about Davis dead.

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 12:42 AM
I understand him, He was upset with Chloe, because she made him believe that she loves him, and later notice that she still in love with Jimmy.
That can make mad anyone.
I'm so glad that he kill Jimmy.
and I hope that next season Zod to take revenge of his son's dead and kill every one.

I'm just upset about Davis dead.

I'm upset that Davis is dead, but I'm more upset at how they transformed his character. They made him hated by everyone by the end. He didn't deserve that.

Lilah
05-15-2009, 12:48 AM
Lilah, I agree with that about Doomsday. But they didn't write Davis this way. They wrote him as a caring EMT who had this connection with Chloe. Then they showed how he hated this dark side of himself. They showed how he wanted to die. They made it seem that he could be redeemed and whereas the beast was completely evil, the man Davis wanted to be normal. He wanted to be human and have a normal life. The 180 was showing that Davis, the man was worse than the beast. That came out of left field.

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Nope. I wasn't just referring to the Disney version. This story predates Disney's modern conceptualization of Beauty and the Beast.

I would agree with you, but I don't think that's how Davis was potrayed at all. I saw it more that he was blaming his "inner beast" rather than taking responsibility for his actions.

What I do agree with you is that at the beginning he was shown that way. With the whole black outs thing, it showed he wasn't in control. After Infamous when he killed Linda Lake he was completely concious during every murder and every kill. So I saw the decent into pure evil.

He made the choice to kill those people and he used the beast inside as an excuse. Because even in Injustice, he killed Neutron.... and that was after his whole "I wanna change... I wanna be normal...." bit.

I think he used his sob story as that, just a story, to get Chloe to feel sorry for him. It was all part of the plan... He was obssessed with her and he would do anything to have her. Even kill.

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I'm upset that Davis is dead, but I'm more upset at how they transformed his character. They made him hated by everyone by the end. He didn't deserve that.

Again I disagree. Alot of people hated him from the beginning. Myself included. If there was one thing I'd change about this season, it would be the Davis Bloome story arc.

VagrantDream
05-15-2009, 12:53 AM
I knew i was going have to let go of his character sometime, but this psycho! lightswitch!moment violated everything about his character. It was a stupid, stupid copout and a horrible way to end his run with the show.

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 12:54 AM
They merged my thread with this RIP DAVIS thread, so for a minute there, I was like "where's my thread?" :)
Lilah, I don't think he used the beast as an excuse. I don't think he wanted to kill people. He killed some people to stop the beast from killing everyone in his path. If they had shown him being a vengeful killer in the beginning, I would have agreed. Killing Linda Lake was the first time he realized that he could somewhat control the beast. Anyway, it would be interested if the writers would offer some sort of explanation, because even the actor - Sam Witter thought his character was ultimately a good guy who wanted to be good.
I also believe the Chloe encouraged his feelings. She only made things worse by lying to him and encouraging him to believe in a life with her that he could never have.

Kschreck
05-15-2009, 12:56 AM
I was really excited that they were writing Davis as kind of a "Dexter" like character and that he really was a good guy but the beast part of him was doing to bad things. They totally retconned that by having Davis killing Jimmy. PS3 even managed to screw up his character.

Spirit Detective
05-15-2009, 12:56 AM
I liked Davis in the beginning. Heck, I still liked him in Turbulence...but Eternal was when I started to despise him. This episode nailed to coffin on his character. I'm glad he's gone.

smallvillerocks45
05-15-2009, 12:57 AM
Lilah, I agree with that about Doomsday. But they didn't write Davis this way. They wrote him as a caring EMT who had this connection with Chloe. Then they showed how he hated this dark side of himself. They showed how he wanted to die. They made it seem that he could be redeemed and whereas the beast was completely evil, the man Davis wanted to be normal. He wanted to be human and have a normal life. The 180 was showing that Davis, the man was worse than the beast. That came out of left field.

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Nope. I wasn't just referring to the Disney version. This story predates Disney's modern conceptualization of Beauty and the Beast.


Actually, I think they showed Davis pretending to hate the dark side. If he was killing people to calm the beast, it was because he liked killing. The beast only emerged in desperation - like a druggie who needed a fix - but killing before the beast came out only made his actions more "justified" and less destructive in the short run.


Ultimately though, I think TPTB/PS3 made it quite clear that Davis was nothing more than some façade - Faora tried to tell him he was a destroyer, as did Brainiac, but just like Chloe, we fell for the act. But that's all it was, acting. Perhaps Davis as a person really was hurt by Chloe's charade, but his actions were too extreme; it was the whole 'if I can't have you, no one can' mentality that showed how truly sick he really was. It's sad, because he seemed like a nice guy - but he was just hiding his madness. Why do you think he didn't even have any friends?

*Note, I'm not saying that no friends = crazy, I'm just saying that in Davis' case, there was a method to his madness. Falling in love, perhaps, was his downfall, but that doesn't mean he wasn't always capable of doing what he did. If anything, being with Chloe prolonged the process- but even she couldn't prevent it at the end of the day.

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 12:57 AM
I knew i was going have to let go of his character sometime, but this psycho! lightswitch!moment violated everything about his character. It was a stupid, stupid copout and a horrible way to end his run with the show.

I'm in complete agreement with you. If enough people complain, I think they'll fix it. I hated Lana's "Dear John-have-to leave you so you can save-the-world crappy letter" and they changed/fixed that completely. Maybe the outcry over Davis' death - (and this entire finale for that matter) - will make them fix this in S9.

acciobrain101
05-15-2009, 12:58 AM
I was glad he died...the writers turned him into a whiny b**ch!

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 12:59 AM
I liked Davis in the beginning. Heck, I still liked him in Turbulence...but Eternal was when I started to despise him. This episode nailed to coffin on his character. I'm glad he's gone.

Why? What happened in Eternal that made you despise him?

Krypto~Luan
05-15-2009, 12:59 AM
I was glad he died...the writers turned him into a whiny b**ch!

He actuly did now that i think about it.


But Jimmy always was. TBH

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 01:00 AM
Actually, I think they showed Davis pretending to hate the dark side. If he was killing people to calm the beast, it was because he liked killing. The beast only emerged in desperation - like a druggie who needed a fix - but killing before the beast came out only made his actions more "justified" and less destructive in the short run.


Ultimately though, I think TPTB/PS3 made it quite clear that Davis was nothing more than some façade - Faora tried to tell him he was a destroyer, as did Brainiac, but just like Chloe, we fell for the act. But that's all it was, acting. Perhaps Davis as a person really was hurt by Chloe's charade, but his actions were too extreme; it was the whole 'if I can't have you, no one can' mentality that showed how truly sick he really was. It's sad, because he seemed like a nice guy - but he was just hiding his madness. Why do you think he didn't even have any friends?

*Note, I'm not saying that no friends = crazy, I'm just saying that in Davis' case, there was a method to his madness. Falling in love, perhaps, was his downfall, but that doesn't mean he wasn't always capable of doing what he did. If anything, being with Chloe prolonged the process- but even she couldn't prevent it at the end of the day.

Why don't you think he was killing people to calm the beast because the beast liked killing? Davis seemed to try to fight the evil that was in him. I don't think it was an act. If it was - he was fooling himself, too.

amalie
05-15-2009, 01:00 AM
Quite frankly after what he did to Jimmy....good riddance. From the moment he started picking his victims I lost any sympathy for him. This finale just confirmed what many of us believed, he was hardly a victim.

Lilah
05-15-2009, 01:02 AM
They merged my thread with this RIP DAVIS thread, so for a minute there, I was like "where's my thread?" :)
Lilah, I don't think he used the beast as an excuse. I don't think he wanted to kill people. He killed some people to stop the beast from killing everyone in his path. If they had shown him being a vengeful killer in the beginning, I would have agreed. Killing Linda Lake was the first time he realized that he could somewhat control the beast. Anyway, it would be interested if the writers would offer some sort of explanation, because even the actor - Sam Witter thought his character was ultimately a good guy who wanted to be good.
I also believe the Chloe encouraged his feelings. She only made things worse by lying to him and encouraging him to believe in a life with her that he could never have.

He had been killing since he first got to Earth. He killed Lex's bird (who did nothing but probably chirp... :() and he killed Lionel's security men who dropped him off on the side of the road. Sam Witwer was in denial and hoping to return next season..

smallvillerocks45
05-15-2009, 01:06 AM
Why don't you think he was killing people to calm the beast because the beast liked killing? Davis seemed to try to fight the evil that was in him. I don't think it was an act. If it was - he was fooling himself, too.

Yes, he was fooling himself. I don't think he realized that he was helping himself and satiating his cravings just as much as the beast's. He may have felt somewhat guilty, because he knew his actions were socially wrong, but he had to have felt some relief, too.

His choice, however, to kill an innocent, genuinely good person even without the "beast"/Doomsday inside of him, without remorse, showed how Davis thought killing those who stood in his way really was the answer.

Lilah
05-15-2009, 01:06 AM
Quite frankly after what he did to Jimmy....good riddance. From the moment he started picking his victims I lost any sympathy for him. This finale just confirmed what many of us believed, he was hardly a victim.


He was Edward and anyone who fell for him is Bella... it was doomed from the start. The writers made it as obvious as they could without giving it all away. I have no sympathy for the character. Davis Bloome was and always will be a murderer in my book and the real hero of tonight's episode was Jimmy Olsen for finally killing that monster!

MysuperheroChrist
05-15-2009, 01:07 AM
Thanks for ruining Davis' character in the last 5 minutes. This guy was the sweetest guy in the beginning. He had great chemistry with Chloe. He was willing to kill himself to spare Clark, Chloe and the world. He loved Chloe. He tried as much as possible to keep the beast within so that it wouldn't destroy the world. He so wanted to build a life with Chloe (who encouraged him and made him believe that she loved him). Then he gets separated from the beast to become a crazed, obsessed killer. What??!!! Why ruin him like this? What did this profit. Why not just have Doomsday kill him? That would have been a better death than we got. Why not have Jimmy die protecting Chloe from Doomsday? Now Chloe hates Davis - the guy she almost, could have, sort of, used to almost love (don't get me started on that). I just hate that they got rid of Davis like this. I think he deserved better. I think it was crap that Chloe said she "thought" she loved him, but realized she just wanted to save him. What kind of a person are they trying to make her? She doesn't know when or if she's in love. She can be in and out of love just like that. So the dates at her place (prior to his moving to the basement), the homemade cooked dinners (while he was in the basement) and hanging out on the car looking at the stars and talking about building a life together with Davis = I want to save you. Whatever Chloe. :rolleyes: PS3 you ruined two characters tonight for me - Davis and Chloe (the two people I originally loved the most this season). Well done. :mad:

I for one loved how they ended his character in it. Chloe reminds me of of my exs in a lot of ways. They think they are in love with people but are caught up in their emotions. If anything Davis was heart broken by the fact that Chloe really loves Jimmy more then she does him. I believe she had feelings for him strong feelings in fact but most of what she did was for Clark and the world. When you get heart broken like Davis did sometimes you find yourself getting out of control and for Davis that means turning toward his true nature to be a killer.

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He was Edward and anyone who fell for him is Bella... it was doomed from the start. The writers made it as obvious as they could without giving it all away. I have no sympathy for the character. Davis Bloome was and always will be a murderer in my book and the real hero of tonight's episode was Jimmy Olsen for finally killing that monster!

I agree! He died protect the woman he loves. I hate that they took him out but at least they took him out saving her life and realizing he was truly loved by Chloe.

Krypto~Luan
05-15-2009, 01:15 AM
I agree! He died protect the woman he loves. I hate that they took him out but at least they took him out saving her life and realizing he was truly loved by Chloe.

I wasnt his fan, but that was very nice. Thats when i felt bad. Im glad it was in her amrs. This proved Davis was a coward.

borednow
05-15-2009, 01:17 AM
Rest in Peace? Baw I hope his next life is as maggot. What a disgusting man, if I found his grave I would spit on it.

Krypto~Luan
05-15-2009, 01:18 AM
Rest in Peace? Baw I hope his next life is as maggot. What a disgusting man, if I found his grave I would spit on it.

:rotfl:

YEah he was revealed to be an ugly person

jpfort1957
05-15-2009, 01:20 AM
Good riddance!!!!!!!!! I wanted him dead just as much as Oliver!!!!!!!!

NinaDavis
05-15-2009, 02:41 AM
Thanks God for killing him!

Brainy Pirate
05-15-2009, 02:50 AM
I found his agony over not wanting to become the beast he was created to be was incredibly compelling, both psychologically and ethically. I hated that when he was separated, he turned psycho -- that was bad writing. Someone suggested that had he lost control, killed Jimmy and then killed himself, it would have been more appropriate -- and I agree. For all the pain he went through, he deserved a more noble death than what he got.

His character's angst was much more interesting than Clark's, that's for sure!

borednow
05-15-2009, 03:28 AM
Thanks God for killing him!

I know for sure I couldn't take any more of his emo whining on this show.

Timester
05-15-2009, 04:14 AM
This is very simple, Doomsday was the monster but Davis always was the killer. This is nothing different from what I have been saying for the months now. He didn't had a "good side", never had.

Jawth
05-15-2009, 04:14 AM
I can't believe people are suprised that a serial killer.....killed someone. Davis killed a good person for no other reason than his own warped jealousy. If he does come back as the host for Zod I hope Clark kills him again.

Timester
05-15-2009, 04:19 AM
Ummm....not really. He had two choices, either kill to keep the beast contained or not to kill and have it kill a whole lot more people. What exactly was the guy supposed to do, since he's immortal and all? At least he chose to kill the bad guys to keep from turning into a beast. He had no choice.

Wrong, he had 3 choices. Like the PZ.

Minamostaza
05-15-2009, 04:47 AM
AH!!!! It sucked! It's not fair what they did to Davis's character, he was supposed to be all good after he was separated from the beast, but no, he had to go all insane and kill Jimmy and almost Chloe :mad: I wanted him to have a happy ending, or leave Smallville without doing what he did last night. Anyway, I still love my Davis when he had the moster inside and wanted to be a good person. :(

Timester
05-15-2009, 04:49 AM
he was supposed to be all good after he was separated from the beast

No, he wasn't. That's what people assumed as a fact.

amalie
05-15-2009, 04:52 AM
AH!!!! It sucked! It's not fair what they did to Davis's character, he was supposed to be all good after he was separated from the beast, but no, he had to go all insane and kill Jimmy and almost Chloe :mad: I wanted him to have a happy ending, or leave Smallville without doing what he did last night. Anyway, I still love my Davis when he had the moster inside and wanted to be a good person. :(


He was never going to get a happy ending nor should he. Davis killed "over 50 people", that was Davis the man not the beast within. His true colours came out when he was separated. I for one am glad he got his comuppance, I just wish he's taken Chloe and not Jimmy with him.

Timester
05-15-2009, 04:55 AM
He was never going to get a happy ending nor should he. Davis killed "over 50 people", that was Davis the man not the beast within. His true colours came out when he was separated. I for one am glad he got his comuppance, I just wish he's taken Chloe and not Jimmy with him.

Exactly. This was the man that kidnapped and almost killed Ollie and Henry Jimmy Olsen Jones (:p).

-Nora-
05-15-2009, 04:58 AM
This character was a complete waste. If they have him turn out to be a killer with or without Doomsday, then they should have left him out in the first place. What was the point??!

Timester
05-15-2009, 05:02 AM
This character was a complete waste. If they have him turn out to be a killer with or without Doomsday, then they should have left him out in the first place. What was the point??!

What's the point in having villains then?

shamville
05-15-2009, 05:08 AM
Try kill chloe. He doesn't love chloe.

-Nora-
05-15-2009, 05:11 AM
What's the point in having villains then?

It's okay to have villains, just don't spend an entire season to establish that Davis = good and Doomsday = evil when in the end Davis is also a killer.

amalie
05-15-2009, 05:13 AM
It's okay to have villains, just don't spend an entire season to establish that Davis = good and Doomsday = evil when in the end Davis is also a killer.


But most of us had already decided he wasn't entirely 'good' before this.

Timester
05-15-2009, 05:13 AM
just don't spend an entire season to establish that Davis = good

They never established Davis as good, far from it. And I'm not saying this now, I have been saying since the beginning of the season. The guy murdered people, that's the moment he stopped being "good".

topping82
05-15-2009, 07:16 AM
Still crap!!!!!! On what they did to Davis. Just horrible. I hate what they did. It's just unforgivable. Even Sam Witwer has said repeatedly that Davis is not evil.

RedKRules
05-15-2009, 07:22 AM
I totally agree ..... this stupid twist on his character at the finale was one of the most IDIOTIC thing the writers have done, it went against everything Davis fought for throughout the whole season, seriously writers??? I know some people that put your lame writing to shame ...

Timester
05-15-2009, 07:25 AM
I totally agree ..... this stupid twist on his character at the finale was one of the most IDIOTIC thing the writers have done, it went against everything Davis fought for throughout the whole season, seriously writers??? I know some people that put your lame writing to shame ...

Davis fought? Wasn't he ready to squish Jimmy's eye balls in Beast?

Have people suddently forgot everything that Davis did?

Sports72Xtrm
05-15-2009, 07:25 AM
This character was a complete waste. If they have him turn out to be a killer with or without Doomsday, then they should have left him out in the first place. What was the point??!

I think that the moral of the story is what Ollie said to Jimmy. The beast you should be fighting isn't out there. It's inside you. The darkside of humanity. The beast you don't transform into, it's the beast you become by choice. I think that makes sense.:confused:

*Sooz*
05-15-2009, 07:32 AM
Davis went to Chloe, teared up when he thought he might be killing people. He even investigated himself and compared it to what was found under the victims fingernails. He wanted to find out the causes of the blackouts. He found the only way to stifle the beast, the monster who kills dozens without repentence, is to kill one person when he starts to doom out. So he went after the "bad guys", the drug dealers, the drunk drivers. He went to confession and the friggin' priest told him to overcome evil with good. He tries to kill himself because he can't stand who he's become. It's a million miles away from the jealous, crazy, stalker boyfriend of 'Doomsday.' They **** all over his character.

Timester
05-15-2009, 07:37 AM
He found the only way to stifle the beast, the monster who kills dozens without repentence, is to kill one person when he starts to doom out. So he went after the "bad guys", the drug dealers, the drunk drivers.

And it's really needed more than that? He was a murderer, he was choosing who deserved to live or die.

*Sooz*
05-15-2009, 07:48 AM
And it's really needed more than that? He was a murderer, he was choosing who deserved to live or die.

It's the lesser of two evils. He didn't want to do it. Literally his other choice was waking up every morning covered in blood surrounded by carnage like what happened in Prey. A truly 'evil' person, someone with no morals, wouldn't have chosen to go on his own little vigilante mission. He wouldn't even recognise what he had done was wrong, but Davis did.

Timester
05-15-2009, 07:50 AM
It's the lesser of two evils. He didn't want to do it. Literally his other choice was waking up every morning covered in blood surrounded by carnage like what happened in Prey. A truly 'evil' person, someone with no morals, wouldn't have chosen to go on his own little vigilante mission. He wouldn't even recognise what he had done was wrong, but Davis did.

But it still makes him a murderer. He had a third choice, turning himself up and/or accepting to be sent to the PZ. He refused.

*Sooz*
05-15-2009, 07:52 AM
Turning himself in... so he can become Doomsday and kill whoever is holding him in. Kill an entire police force? And it was after the murders he got the choice to go to the PZ, after he found a "cure."

Timester
05-15-2009, 07:56 AM
Turning himself in... so he can become Doomsday and kill whoever is holding him in. Kill an entire police force? And it was after the murders he got the choice to go to the PZ, after he found a "cure."

Yet, he killed 50 people. I'm not saying which would be the best solution, I'm talking about the one that would make Davis wanting to be good believable.

*Sooz*
05-15-2009, 08:02 AM
But surely the whole point of 'Eternal' was his fight to be good? His fight to stop the beast within by killing himself for good, sacrificing his own humanity for the sake of the world? I've always believed Davis wanted to be good, and TBH all his actions up until Doomsday has supported that.

smallvillerocks45
05-15-2009, 08:25 AM
Turning himself in... so he can become Doomsday and kill whoever is holding him in. Kill an entire police force? And it was after the murders he got the choice to go to the PZ, after he found a "cure."

...but his cure wasn't even really a cure. Davis told Chloe that she wasn't working anymore. If Davis hadn't truly been selfish, he would have let Clark send him to the phantom zone -- he didn't mind letting Chloe "try" to kill him because he could come back to her if the effort was unsuccessful, but how would he have escaped the phantom zone? He wasn't going to risk it, even for the good of mankind -- because that ultimately wasn't his concern.

That being said, I don't think Sam Witwer is completely gone. If Zod has arrived, it will be in what looks like Davis' body. Faora told him that he looked like his father, Zod... Therefore, I think it might be him -- I guess we'll find out in September.

Lilah
05-15-2009, 09:21 AM
But surely the whole point of 'Eternal' was his fight to be good? His fight to stop the beast within by killing himself for good, sacrificing his own humanity for the sake of the world? I've always believed Davis wanted to be good, and TBH all his actions up until Doomsday has supported that.

And then when he came back at the end he should have gone to Clark and said "Well, that didn't work... got any other bright ideas?"

Instead he went to Chloe because he was obssessed with her!

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...but his cure wasn't even really a cure. Davis told Chloe that she wasn't working anymore. If Davis hadn't truly been selfish, he would have let Clark send him to the phantom zone -- he didn't mind letting Chloe "try" to kill him because he could come back to her if the effort was unsuccessful, but how would he have escaped the phantom zone? He wasn't going to risk it, even for the good of mankind -- because that ultimately wasn't his concern.

That being said, I don't think Sam Witwer is completely gone. If Zod has arrived, it will be in what looks like Davis' body. Faora told him that he looked like his father, Zod... Therefore, I think it might be him -- I guess we'll find out in September.

If that happens I'll be pissed. If Sam's still on the show but Aaron's out I'm going to raise Lucifer for real and unlease him in Vancouver....

I promise to make sure to get Lois and Clark out safe:p

*Sooz*
05-15-2009, 09:41 AM
And then when he came back at the end he should have gone to Clark and said "Well, that didn't work... got any other bright ideas?"

Instead he went to Chloe because he was obssessed with her!

He went to Chloe and basically said that though. Because she was the only one that had tried to help him (Prey, and then Eternal), and the only one that could stop him from Dooming out (Turbulence). She was basically his only friend. And really, it was up to Chloe to tell Clark.


...but his cure wasn't even really a cure. Davis told Chloe that she wasn't working anymore.

In Doomsday. In Beast as far as he was concerned she was. It even showed as much by him visibly weakening in FoS when she arrived. Clark told davis that in the Phantom Zone Davis could be his "tue self" or whatever. meaning Doomsday. Which is what davis was most frightened off. Who's to say the Phantom Zone could keep Doomsday if he kept getting killed over and over again, becoming stronger each time. He could break out and come back worse than ever with no Davis to revert back to.

costas22
05-15-2009, 10:10 AM
It was sad that in the end he turned out being a plot device to make Clark feel bad about himself.

smallvillereporter27
05-15-2009, 10:14 AM
It was sad that in the end he turned out being a plot device to make Clark feel bad about himself.

ITA. That's what happened. I thought the point was that they could save Davis, but really they just made Clark and Chloe look dumb for even trying. Chloe especially. And now Clark has lost faith in humanity and Chloe is sitting in the watchtower feeling sorry for herself. :\

It's Smallville, I don't know why I expect more. :p

costas22
05-15-2009, 10:22 AM
ITA. That's what happened. I thought the point was that they could save Davis, but really they just made Clark and Chloe look dumb for even trying. Chloe especially. And now Clark has lost faith in humanity and Chloe is sitting in the watchtower feeling sorry for herself. :\

It's Smallville, I don't know why I expect more. :p

Well this episode made me lose my faith in Souders and Peterson for good. The only thing they know is taking shortcuts. Destroy every character apart from Clark and Lois to create short term drama.

Kevin24
05-15-2009, 10:24 AM
Why no RIP Jimmy thread?

CreamPuffer
05-15-2009, 11:17 AM
Quite frankly after what he did to Jimmy....good riddance. From the moment he started picking his victims I lost any sympathy for him. This finale just confirmed what many of us believed, he was hardly a victim.

Yea, he should have just killed the first person he came across. He picked them because he wanted to make sure he didn't kill people who were innocent. If anything, that is what gives people the reason to feel sympathy because at least he was trying to make the best of it. It's wrong that he killed so many people but at the same time he had no choice. At least he picked criminals. Also you really shouldn't be so harsh considering your precious Ollie is a killer as well. Davis had no way of killing himself and he didn't know about the pz. I'm sure if he had, he would have gone the first time around. It was after Chloe was all like " I'll do anything for you" that he decided to really give it a shot and start a new life with her.

As far as Chloe, what a manipulating cold blooded snake. But it's not her fault, it's the chipmunks on crack (SV writers)that did this. They build up this whole Davis/Chloe relationship and then they completely butchered everything. Chloe never really had feeling for Davis, are you kidding me? Did all those episodes not happen and are we supposed to erase all those sweet moments between them? All of a sudden, it's Jimmy "I love you". What? She didn't give a crap about Jimmy after he left her. Even when she finds out he was telling the truth she doesn't bother to go see him. This was honestly one of the worst writing jobs ever. How old are these writers?

Davis becoming a psycho came out of nowhere. If they wanted to show that his human side was also a monster they should have dropped more hints. Davis had so many chances to kill Jimmy and he never went through with it, even when the actual beast was inside. Now that he was free, he decides to kill Jimmy. That makes no sense at all. The writers though they were going to shock people and make it this original tragic sad ending. Instead it was lame. They have done this junk with other characters in the past (Jason) so the more original idea would have been to actually save Davis or have him die a more dignified death (facing Doomsday).

SV writers, if you are reading this. YOU SUCK, YOU SUCK SO BAD IT MAKES ME SICK.

SupaBoy
05-15-2009, 11:22 AM
I dont think we have saw the last of davis bloome.

amalie
05-15-2009, 11:34 AM
Yea, he should have just killed the first person he came across. He picked them because he wanted to make sure he didn't kill people who were innocent. If anything, that is what gives people the reason to feel sympathy because at least he was trying to make the best of it. It's wrong that he killed so many people but at the same time he had no choice. At least he picked criminals. Also you really shouldn't be so harsh considering your precious Ollie is a killer as well. Davis had no way of killing himself and he didn't know about the pz. I'm sure if he had, he would have gone the first time around. It was after Chloe was all like " I'll do anything for you" that he decided to really give it a shot and start a new life with her.

I'm sorry but Davis is far from innocent. I had sympathy for him to begin with but that sympathy didn't take long to dissipate. Remember what he did to Jimmy in Turbulence in order to cover his tracks? How about that time he almost pushed Jimmy's eyes through his skull? Or a few moments later when he tried to kill Oliver? At that point we saw his 'cure' failing so he knew he was still dangerous, even with Chloe hiding him and yet he still chose to go on the run when a safer option was given to him. Furthermore he also threatened to take Clark with him to the phantom zone...nice guy isn't he? He started out as a nice guy and gradually became a selfish murderer. The proof I needed that he was far from innocent came when he killed Jimmy and attempted to kill Chloe but the build up was there all along.

Also, please don't assume that I consider my "precious Ollie" to be without fault. I consider his actions to be nothing short of murder, I never once condoned what he did to Lex or what he wanted to do to Davis. I was 100% on Clark's side.

*Sooz*
05-15-2009, 12:10 PM
When he was with Ollie and Jimmy in the basement he was starting to doom out. His eyes were flashing red and was on his way to transforming. It was a choice of kill one of them to suppress the beast, or kill them both and God knows how many others as Doomsday. And the events of 'Turbulence' wrt Jimmy and choosing not to go to the PZ shows a selfish side to Davis, but not a psychotic, jealous ***** that turned up in 'Doomsday' (although I don't blame him for turning on Clark when he was forcing him to the PZ to live as Doomsday - he was trying to hold onto his humanity).

Iluvgreen
05-15-2009, 12:19 PM
I don't feel bad that he died. He desearved it. He wasn't good either way: human or monster. Poor Jimmy!

marcella
05-15-2009, 12:50 PM
I won't miss him. He killed Jimmy:(

amalie
05-15-2009, 12:52 PM
When he was with Ollie and Jimmy in the basement he was starting to doom out. His eyes were flashing red and was on his way to transforming. It was a choice of kill one of them to suppress the beast, or kill them both and God knows how many others as Doomsday. And the events of 'Turbulence' wrt Jimmy and choosing not to go to the PZ shows a selfish side to Davis, but not a psychotic, jealous ***** that turned up in 'Doomsday' (although I don't blame him for turning on Clark when he was forcing him to the PZ to live as Doomsday - he was trying to hold onto his humanity).


He really didn't have to attack Jimmy and Oliver when they were in the Talon flat. He also didn't have to then lock them in the basement. Why not either not attack them or leave them unconscious in the flat, they had no way of knowing he was hiding in the basement, he could have gone anywhere after attacking them. In regards to Turbulence, it's one thing being selfish and quite another to go and inject a recovering patient and play on his mind. That episode was what completely turned me off Davis but if you see it differently, well...to each their own.:)

Davis Bloome
05-15-2009, 12:54 PM
I'm sorry but Davis is far from innocent. I had sympathy for him to begin with but that sympathy didn't take long to dissipate. Remember what he did to Jimmy in Turbulence in order to cover his tracks? How about that time he almost pushed Jimmy's eyes through his skull? Or a few moments later when he tried to kill Oliver? At that point we saw his 'cure' failing so he knew he was still dangerous, even with Chloe hiding him and yet he still chose to go on the run when a safer option was given to him. Furthermore he also threatened to take Clark with him to the phantom zone...nice guy isn't he? He started out as a nice guy and gradually became a selfish murderer. The proof I needed that he was far from innocent came when he killed Jimmy and attempted to kill Chloe but the build up was there all along.
Every mistake or bad decision you mention, there was always some, maybe not many sometimes, but there was always some influence from his side of Doomsday. The only ones that weren't influenced was where he escaped with Chloe from Smallville. That was his own selfish decision. Yes there was a built up that he was not so good, but I would still never consider him evil. Turning him totally psycho was OTT and just a result of bad writing just like other flaws in this episode.

Chloe Bloome
05-15-2009, 12:58 PM
Every mistake or bad decision you mention, there was always some, maybe not many sometimes, but there was always some influence from his side of Doomsday. The only ones that weren't influenced was where he escaped with Chloe from Smallville. That was his own selfish decision. Yes there was a built up that he was not so good, but I would still never consider him evil. Turning him totally psycho was OTT and just a result of bad writing just like other flaws in this episode.

Yeah I completely agree, I think in the end, from the writers point of view, you can only say that Davis was turned insane through the torment of having to deal with Doomsday. I think that is the angle they were using. Sort of a Star Wars, Anakin Skywalker thing going on. He became evil etc because of the things that had happened to him. But in the end, Davis Bloome was a decent soul, just the suffering he had been inflicted with made him snap.

amalie
05-15-2009, 01:02 PM
Every mistake or bad decision you mention, there was always some, maybe not many sometimes, but there was always some influence from his side of Doomsday. The only ones that weren't influenced was where he escaped with Chloe from Smallville. That was his own selfish decision. Yes there was a built up that he was not so good, but I would still never consider him evil. Turning him totally psycho was OTT and just a result of bad writing just like other flaws in this episode.


He was jealous, angry and feeling betrayed. Many men, and women, have be known to act out of character under such conditions. For Davis, someone who has already killed and shown a rather selfish nature, I'm not surprised by the way he acted.

Davis Bloome
05-15-2009, 01:06 PM
He killed because he knew his other side would kill more, he chose the lesser of two evils. You would expect that he would get angry or even knock Jimmy out, out of jealousy, but killing him was OTT. I would get mad and snap if I was in his position, but that wouldn't make me kill a person totally out of free will. Killing the 50 you speak of, was not his choice after all, but an alternative he had to choose.

amalie
05-15-2009, 01:08 PM
He killed because he knew his other side would kill more, he chose the lesser of two evils. You would expect that he would get angry or even knock Jimmy out, out of jealousy, but killing him was OTT. I would get mad and snap if I was in his position, but that wouldn't make me kill a person totally out of free will. Killing the 50 you speak of, was not his choice after all, but an alternative he had to choose.


He's still killed people, my point is that I think it's easier to take a life when you already have 50 under your belt. I'm with you, I can't imagine snapping under those conditions but it's a fact that some people do.

Chloe Bloome
05-15-2009, 01:09 PM
He killed because he knew his other side would kill more, he chose the lesser of two evils. You would expect that he would get angry or even knock Jimmy out, out of jealousy, but killing him was OTT. I would get mad and snap if I was in his position, but that wouldn't make me kill a person totally out of free will. Killing the 50 you speak of, was not his choice after all, but an alternative he had to choose.
Again correct. Jimmy's death is the only one Davis can really be blamed for. The others were because he had no choice, and he did try to kill himself etc So there is no bashing that he didn't try to stop himself because he did.

Like I said on another thread, getting angry, feeling betrayed etc is one thing, killing someone for it is another. Yes it happens irl, but in this character's case, the whole point should've revolved around his redemption. This was just a cheap way out, and was not like Davis at all based on previous episodes, bar his actions related to Doomsday.

interstellar
05-15-2009, 01:11 PM
Davis had been complicit in Doomsday's murders for a long, long time. I actually feel vindicated that they didn't try to pretend that without Doomsday he was a good person -- because he wasn't. And I'm glad he's dead because I thought he was a terrible character.

Davis Bloome
05-15-2009, 01:13 PM
I guess you can speculate that Davis maybe still had some of that true nature inside of him what he spoke of in the kryptonite cage. Maybe there was still some of that nature left in him that made him kill Jimmy, but I know I'm just fishing for excuses now... I just think it was bad writing and I don't criticize the script just because of what happened to Davis. The 'Real' Jimmy and the Doomsday fight sucked too. There's just no excuses for that either imo.

CreamPuffer
05-15-2009, 01:14 PM
I'm sorry but Davis is far from innocent. I had sympathy for him to begin with but that sympathy didn't take long to dissipate. Remember what he did to Jimmy in Turbulence in order to cover his tracks? How about that time he almost pushed Jimmy's eyes through his skull? Or a few moments later when he tried to kill Oliver? At that point we saw his 'cure' failing so he knew he was still dangerous, even with Chloe hiding him and yet he still chose to go on the run when a safer option was given to him. Furthermore he also threatened to take Clark with him to the phantom zone...nice guy isn't he? He started out as a nice guy and gradually became a selfish murderer. The proof I needed that he was far from innocent came when he killed Jimmy and attempted to kill Chloe but the build up was there all along.

Also, please don't assume that I consider my "precious Ollie" to be without fault. I consider his actions to be nothing short of murder, I never once condoned what he did to Lex or what he wanted to do to Davis. I was 100% on Clark's side.

I think you are missing the point here. Davis as a human was a good person, Davis as a beast not so good. The things he did in Turbulence, were out of his control. He couldn't let Jimmy have him locked up so he drugged him. If he was this monster, he would have just gotten rid of Jimmy. Then after Jimmy broke into his ambulance, he pleaded with him and tried to make him understand. After Jimmy refused, he had no choice but to drug him again and make it look like he was crazy. Remember at that time he knew there was no way to kill himself so he had no other option but to try and control the monster.
In Beast, he did go over-board but if you paid attention then you would know that it wasn't just Davis anymore. Even then, he stopped himself from killing Jimmy. Davis himself was not a bad person and was willing to take his own life on more than one occasion to keep people safe. Even in the finale, he was ready to be killed by Ollie and Co. That's why it makes no sense that he turned out to be evil 10 minutes later. Those writers have to be on something because that was just ridiculous. They turned Davis into some monster when this whole time he was being shown as this tragic victim.
I'm not arguing that the Davis last night or at least the Davis of the last 15 minutes was a monster. I'm arguing that the writers did a great disservice to his character and really came up with this 360 degree reversal out of nowhere.

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 01:15 PM
He really didn't have to attack Jimmy and Oliver when they were in the Talon flat. He also didn't have to then lock them in the basement. Why not either not attack them or leave them unconscious in the flat, they had no way of knowing he was hiding in the basement, he could have gone anywhere after attacking them. In regards to Turbulence, it's one thing being selfish and quite another to go and inject a recovering patient and play on his mind. That episode was what completely turned me off Davis but if you see it differently, well...to each their own.:)

But remember Amalie he thought they were attackers breaking into Chloe's house. Then he started dooming out. Jimmy as I recall kept taunting and taunting him, making the beast come out more. Oliver kept telling Jimmy to shut up, but Jimmy was crazy. But Davis still said he would not kill Jimmy.

On another note, I'm seriously going to start a petition to get Davis a proper ending. I'm going to get as many fans to sign it as possible. If you're happy with his death - then you are in a state that I wish I could be. I'm not pleased and instead of just griping about it, I'm going to at least try to get it changed. I saw what the 1000s of gripings about Lana's exit via Dear John video did. Clana fans outcried. No way would Lana have done that right after awaking from a coma. No way would she have left Clark at that point. And I think because of that outcry, they basically rewrote that Dear John video completely. So I'm going to at least try for Davis, because I believe the character deserved more. I have a few months before they start writing and filming again. I just need to check with a K-site MOD first to see if I can start a petition via Kryptonsite of if that breaks a K-site rule. If it does break the rules, I'll just establish another website where pro-Davisers can sign and make our voices heard. :) Wish me luck. ;)

CreamPuffer
05-15-2009, 01:21 PM
Davis had been complicit in Doomsday's murders for a long, long time. I actually feel vindicated that they didn't try to pretend that without Doomsday he was a good person -- because he wasn't. And I'm glad he's dead because I thought he was a terrible character.


This is exactly the type of argument that enrages me. You want to hate on the character fine, you want to say he is a monster cause he killed Jimmy fine. But to say something like he was complicit in the killings is ********. He had a monster he could not control. Why is this so hard to understand? He had 2 choice, either kill to control it or do nothing and let it massacre an entire city. At least he chose his victims and chose criminals.
I get that they couldn't just let the character of Davis go on living a happy life once he was separated from Doom because he did kill all those people. But at least give him a dignified death at the hands of Doomsday instead of turning him into a psycho and killing Jimmy. I think his character deserved a lot more than he got.

Davis Bloome
05-15-2009, 01:30 PM
I agree, I never expected a happy ending for Davis. SV is not disney lol. But they just massacred the character with a stunt like this. They should have tried to combine things. Have Davis, Jimmy and Chloe there at the spot where Clark fights DD. Let Davis get killed by DD where he sacrifices himself to save either Clark, Chloe or Jimmy, I don't care. Let him die in his true character, as a good person. And in that way let Jimmy live, instead of coming up with a lame scenario that he wasn't the 'real' Jimmy. And at the funeral which should have been Davis', give the Chimmy fans hope of a reunion of Chimmy, leaving Chlavis fans satisfied that in the short time Davis and Chloe had, they did actually love each other.

MysuperheroChrist
05-15-2009, 01:48 PM
I wasnt his fan, but that was very nice. Thats when i felt bad. Im glad it was in her amrs. This proved Davis was a coward.

I don't know if Davis was a coward he just is bad no matter what. After all he's been through evil is all he knows as for Jimmy yea I also glad that he died in her arms to me no matter what Jimmy is a hero.

Davis Bloome
05-15-2009, 01:50 PM
No I will say the opposite. They way Davis killed Jimmy was a coward attack based on his emotions. But it was totally OOC...

Lilah
05-15-2009, 02:04 PM
Why no RIP Jimmy thread?

Actually, there are alot of them just with different names....:rolleyes:

SnowBird
05-15-2009, 02:30 PM
I figured Davis fans wouldn't be happy with his ending. Months ago I brought the idea to the KS spoilers section of black Kryptonite dividing Davis and Doomsday and sure enough, it was used. I was surprised though that Davis killed Jimmy. It could be that killing to control the beast became ordinary to Davis over time and jealousy overtook him. Whatever the debates were in the past, Davis the man was an interesting character but alas he is dead and hopefully stays gone.

smallvillefreak24
05-15-2009, 02:31 PM
i was sad because of the way he turned out

Davis Bloome
05-15-2009, 02:36 PM
I figured Davis fans wouldn't be happy with his ending. Months ago I brought the idea to the KS spoilers section of black Kryptonite dividing Davis and Doomsday and sure enough, it was used. I was surprised though that Davis killed Jimmy. It could be that killing to control the beast became ordinary to Davis over time and jealousy overtook him. Whatever the debates were in the past, Davis the man was an interesting character but alas he is dead and hopefully stays gone.
I hope he stays dead too, cause I also speculated the black k theory and I saw a potential scenario for at least a bit of redemption, but knew he still had to die, but at least with some dignity. But they totally ruined it. I swear there was a chance to please all fans here, but this totally lame scenario just ruined it. Not just for Chlavis fans. But for Clark fans as I personally think this big fight with DD, was just too short and unsatisfying, and for Jimmy, screwing his character up by letting him die and pretending he wasn't the 'real' Jimmy...

Timester
05-15-2009, 02:38 PM
This is exactly the type of argument that enrages me. You want to hate on the character fine, you want to say he is a monster cause he killed Jimmy fine. But to say something like he was complicit in the killings is ********. He had a monster he could not control. Why is this so hard to understand? He had 2 choice, either kill to control it or do nothing and let it massacre an entire city. At least he chose his victims and chose criminals.

Again, he had THREE choices. We could turn himself up, as I said like 6 months ago. Sorry, but Davis was as bad as the beast inside him and the episode yesterday confirmed what I always said.

Davis Bloome
05-15-2009, 02:42 PM
Yeah go to the police, but him under straints so that he can kill again as DD, he can't be captivated... And Clark could not know what effect the PZ would have on Davis. Would he be Davis, without the monster. It's not like it comes out because of the yellow sun... So Clark would still have blood on his hands by sending a monster like DD there. Seperating Davis from DD was the best idea, until the writers screwed it up and really turned him into a psycho.

SnowBird
05-15-2009, 02:46 PM
I hope he stays dead too, cause I also speculated the black k theory and I saw a potential scenario for at least a bit of redemption, but knew he still had to die, but at least with some dignity. But they totally ruined it. I swear there was a chance to please all fans here, but this totally lame scenario just ruined it. Not just for Chlavis fans. But for Clark fans as I personally think this big fight with DD, was just too short and unsatisfying, and for Jimmy, screwing his character up by letting him die and pretending he wasn't the 'real' Jimmy...

I didn't see the good in Davis so I think he got what he deserved.

Live by the sword and die by the sword.

Timester
05-15-2009, 02:50 PM
Yeah go to the police, but him under straints so that he can kill again as DD, he can't be captivated... And Clark could not know what effect the PZ would have on Davis. Would he be Davis, without the monster. It's not like it comes out because of the yellow sun... So Clark would still have blood on his hands by sending a monster like DD there. Seperating Davis from DD was the best idea, until the writers screwed it up and really turned him into a psycho.

He can't be captivated? Uhm, lets count, geo-thermal works, Phantom Zone works, space rocket works. So, yeah. He can be captivated.

And no, Clark would no have blood in his hands, the PZ is a prison. That's like blaming the judge for sending people to the prison because an inmate killed them. :rolleyes:

Davis Bloome
05-15-2009, 02:50 PM
I didn't see the good in Davis so I think he got what he deserved.

Live by the sword and die by the sword.Perhaps you have to look harder... But then again you and I don't share the 'eye for an eye' mentality, so I think it's best to give it a rest lol.

Vindellavon
05-15-2009, 02:53 PM
Aw, he was cute.

Davis Bloome
05-15-2009, 02:54 PM
He can't be captivated? Uhm, lets count, geo-thermal works, Phantom Zone works, space rocket works. So, yeah. He can be captivated.

And no, Clark would no have blood in his hands, the PZ is a prison. That's like blaming the judge for sending people to the prison because an inmate killed them. :rolleyes:
PZ wouldn't work, as DD would kill all criminals there, how is that much better than the criminals Davis killed. If Clark had gone through with it, then he would have been a hypocrite, blaming Davis for killing criminals, while he sends Davis to the PZ so DD can kill the criminals there. And yeah if a judge sends a criminal to the prizon who is much stronger than the others, giving the other prisoners, almost if no chance to defend themselves... Then I would blame the judge for sending such a prisoner away, yes. And you think it's easy for Davis to find a Space Rocket... It would send him to space, but who is to say he wouldn't return?

SnowBird
05-15-2009, 02:56 PM
Perhaps you have to look harder... But then again you and I don't share the 'eye for an eye' mentality, so I think it's best to give it a rest lol.

We can agree on one thing. Davis is history and I'm going to keep him there by ending our debate. Peace:)

Davis Bloome
05-15-2009, 03:00 PM
We can agree on one thing. Davis is history and I'm going to keep him there by ending our debate. Peace:) That's surely one thing I can agree with. Peace!

luthorian
05-15-2009, 03:02 PM
Poor Davis :(

CreamPuffer
05-15-2009, 03:08 PM
Again, he had THREE choices. We could turn himself up, as I said like 6 months ago. Sorry, but Davis was as bad as the beast inside him and the episode yesterday confirmed what I always said.

Ummm....turn himself in to whom exactly? Are you suggesting that he walked into a police station and declared he was a beast? If you mean, he should have told Clark. Well, he didn't know Clark was Kryptonian at that time. Not too mention, he though that he could not be killed.

Did you completely miss the part where he asked to be killed? Not too mention, it was on more than one occasion. After "Eternal", he couldn't go to Clark because he knew the beast would try to kill him so he asked Chloe for help since she was the only one who could help him control it. As far as PZ, by then he was no longer the Davis we met. It was obvious he was losing himself to the beast by that point and was getting desperate, possessive, etc... By then he become so obsessed with the idea of being with Chloe that it became the most important thing to him so he didn't want to go into PZ willingly. Can't really blame the guy. His childhood was a nightmare, he grew up alone without anyone who truly ever loved him and then he finds out these horrific things about himself.
Not too mention, that was a bit harsh even at that point because he still had some of his humanity.

I'm really tired of repeating the same thing here but Davis was wiling to be killed by Oliver and Co. in the finale as well. That speaks volumes about his character and that's exactly why I don't get what the hell those writers were thinking. I refuse to acknowledge that Davis went all psycho and killed Jimmy. That did not happen! Davis was separated from Dooms and then came to face to face with him, which resulted in his tragic death. Poor Davis. The END! I hope Zod fries everyone.

Please do not be shocked by my words, after all one of my favorite characters is the Artist formerly known as Henry Gale, Benjamin Linus.

Davis Bloome
05-15-2009, 03:17 PM
Ummm....turn himself in to whom exactly? Are you suggesting that he walked into a police station and declared he was a beast? Yea, that would have done a lot. If you mean, he should have told Clark. Well, he didn't know Clark was Kryptonian. Not too mention, he though that he could not be killed. Did you completely miss the part where he asked to be killed?
Well he knew Clark was kryptonian in the episode of Beast for sure, I have to admit that. But I think he was scared to ask from help from anyone except Chloe since he was so paranoid he would kill somebody without her presence and he knows Clark's presence only makes it worse.

CreamPuffer
05-15-2009, 03:34 PM
He can't be captivated? Uhm, lets count, geo-thermal works, Phantom Zone works, space rocket works. So, yeah. He can be captivated.


Most of which they didn't think of by the way. The thermal thing came into play during final. :rolleyes:

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Well he knew Clark was kryptonian in the episode of Beast for sure, I have to admit that. But I think he was scared to ask from help from anyone except Chloe since he was so paranoid he would kill somebody without her presence and he knows Clark's presence only makes it worse.

Exactly! I do say that though. I was just going starting from beginning as far as why he didn't turn himself in as soon as he discovered what he was.

LJ-90
05-15-2009, 03:37 PM
I used to care about Davis in the begginig of the season, but then I thought than even if he was separated from Doomsday he had to either die or be in prison.

And then he went all psycho and kill Jimmy (I refuse to call him Henry).

Davis, you f*cking b*stard.

Timester
05-15-2009, 03:52 PM
PZ wouldn't work, as DD would kill all criminals there, how is that much better than the criminals Davis killed. If Clark had gone through with it, then he would have been a hypocrite, blaming Davis for killing criminals, while he sends Davis to the PZ so DD can kill the criminals there.

The criminals in there are Phantoms.


And you think it's easy for Davis to find a Space Rocket... It would send him to space, but who is to say he wouldn't return?

Ollie is the owner of Queen Industries AND LuthorCorp. And how would he return from space? :confused:

This is no Star Trek, if you are sent to space, you stay there until someone finds you. Heck, even the moon would be safe for the next 30-40 years.

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Ummm....turn himself in to whom exactly? Are you suggesting that he walked into a police station and declared he was a beast? If you mean, he should have told Clark. Well, he didn't know Clark was Kryptonian at that time. Not too mention, he though that he could not be killed.

Did you completely miss the part where he asked to be killed? Not too mention, it was on more than one occasion. After "Eternal", he couldn't go to Clark because he knew the beast would try to kill him so he asked Chloe for help since she was the only one who could help him control it. As far as PZ, by then he was no longer the Davis we met. It was obvious he was losing himself to the beast by that point and was getting desperate, possessive, etc... By then he become so obsessed with the idea of being with Chloe that it became the most important thing to him so he didn't want to go into PZ willingly. Can't really blame the guy. His childhood was a nightmare, he grew up alone without anyone who truly ever loved him and then he finds out these horrific things about himself.
Not too mention, that was a bit harsh even at that point because he still had some of his humanity.

He had humanity? He killed Jimmy, for Rao's sake.


I'm really tired of repeating the same thing here but Davis was wiling to be killed by Oliver and Co. in the finale as well. That speaks volumes about his character and that's exactly why I don't get what the hell those writers were thinking. I refuse to acknowledge that Davis went all psycho and killed Jimmy. That did not happen! Davis was separated from Dooms and then came to face to face with him, which resulted in his tragic death. Poor Davis. The END! I hope Zod fries everyone.

Come on, Davis knew that he wouldn't be killed. He made is choice in Beast. Correction, he made his choice in Prey.


Please do not be shocked by my words, after all one of my favorite characters is the Artist formerly known as Henry Gale, Benjamin Linus.

Another killer. I don't have any problem with killers, I have problems with making them woobie poor killers.

Davis Bloome
05-15-2009, 03:59 PM
The criminals in there are Phantoms.
Not all of them are, they still can be killed.

Ollie is the owner of Queen Industries AND LuthorCorp. And how would he return from space? :confused:
Then blame Ollie for either being too stupid or to greedy to support this idea.

CreamPuffer
05-15-2009, 04:16 PM
He had humanity? He killed Jimmy, for Rao's sake.

Another killer. I don't have any problem with killers, I have problems with making them woobie poor killers.

Yes, at that time he did. Like I said, Davis that killed Jimmy wasn't Davis that the writers were showing to us to begin with. I don't know why they did the whole 180 on him. To me, it honestly came out of nowhere. :mad: That's why I refuse to acknowledge that he survived the encounter with Doomsday. The Davis in the last 15 minutes of Smallville was a cold blooded killer.

As far as Ben. Come on, admit it. He's awesome and just so cunning :D . Besides it's all Sayid's fault he ended up the way he is, he was a nice little sad kid who just wanted to bring him a chicken salad sandwich.

CloisFan17
05-15-2009, 04:16 PM
He ain't dead :)

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 05:32 PM
He ain't dead :)

I would love to believe that Davis not dead, but even if he isn't, he might as well be dead. Chloe hates him. Clark hates him. He's hated and unless they can undo the damage they did in the last 5 minutes (say that it was Zod), then there's no point in bringing him back. Sam Witter might come back as Zod, but that's not Davis. Davis was the character I liked. I'm not a Zod fan, so this is like throwing crumbs at Davis fans. I think Zod might pretend to be Davis and attribute the "thing" that killed Jimmy to some human incarnation of the beast, but he was somehow transported somewhere else. He just can't remember - much like Clark can't remember escaping the explosion. Then I'd love to see Chloe almost, completely, sort of, kinda, fall totally head over heals in a "saving you" sort of way for him :rolleyes:, just to be completed thrown when she realizes it's Zod. Then maybe she'd understand how hurt Davis was when she told him she "thought she loved him". Zod go avenge your son and fool everyone in your wake - only spare Clark because he tried like crazy to save your son. I really hate how Clark got the short end of the stick in this. :mad:

rajman
05-15-2009, 05:40 PM
I feel sorry for Davis, there was no point on him living, he obviously felt used. I don't blame him for being pissed off, but killing is wrong and he payed the price of it.

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 05:45 PM
I feel sorry for Davis, there was no point on him living, he obviously felt used. I don't blame him for being pissed off, but killing is wrong and he payed the price of it.

I agree, but I don't think Davis would have ever done that. It seriously seemed like he was about to turn into Doomsday again. He was starting to scream and roar and it looked like he was about to turn into DD until Jimmy pushed him into the spear. It's just weird.

rajman
05-15-2009, 05:49 PM
Yeah that roar was weird, i could swear i saw those horns reappear I really felt for Jimmy though

BTW nice clana avi

Darth Pipes
05-15-2009, 05:54 PM
Davis was killed twice. First, by the writers. The Doomsday storyline worked so well because Witwer did such a good job of making Davis a sympathetic character. You felt bad for him because no matter what he did (and he attempted to destroy himself several times), he was going to lose his battle with the beast. So what do the SV writers do? Do their usual character hatchett job and turn Davis into a psycho at the very last second. One done, SV writers for destroying your best storyline and one of your best characters on the show.

Also, I don't believe for a second that Chloe did what she did solely to help Clark. That was a huge reason, no doubt, but she clearly cared about Davis (maybe not in a romantic way) and wanted to help her friend. You don't do what she did (saving his life a couple of times and risking her own life) simply to protect someone else.

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 05:55 PM
Yeah that roar was weird, i could swear i saw those horns reappear I really felt for Jimmy though

BTW nice clana avi

Thanks! I really like my avi. :) Seriously, I thought the horns were about to come out, too. It was strange. As far as Jimmy, did he just stop taking drugs in this episode? I didn't like Jimmy so much after what he said to Chloe and how he treated her. Then all of a sudden he forgave her and wanted to make up. Rushed. They were going for the "oh, poor Jimmy, poor Chimmy" thing, but it didn't fly for me. Sorry Jimmy died, but I was sorrier that they used Davis to achieve their "feel bad" moment.

Your avi about the flying monkeys reminded me of my favorite Broadway show - Wicked and how Elphaba gave the monkeys the ability to fly. That's the only time I've seen flying monkeys. :)

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Davis was killed twice. First, by the writers. The Doomsday storyline worked so well because Witwer did such a good job of making Davis a sympathetic character. You felt bad for him because no matter what he did (and he attempted to destroy himself several times), he was going to lose his battle with the beast. So what do the SV writers do? Do their usual character hatchett job and turn Davis into a psycho at the very last second. One done, SV writers for destroying your best storyline and one of your best characters on the show.

Also, I don't believe for a second that Chloe did what she did solely to help Clark. That was a huge reason, no doubt, but she clearly cared about Davis (maybe not in a romantic way) and wanted to help her friend. You don't do what she did (saving his life a couple of times and risking her own life) simply to protect someone else.

Totally agree. Chloe and Davis were the best things about this season for me and they ruined both characters in 5 minutes. I now caution any guy to fall for her. She may be in love with you or she might just be wanting to save you. ;)

rajman
05-15-2009, 06:07 PM
I guess if you look at the situation through Jimmy's eyes and then look at it through Davis's eyes it's more painful through Jimmy's, he had his dream before the DD bride thing, and after it he lost that one thing that he had always wanted.
Davis didn't really have anything in his life, he basically has never been loved so he must have a lot of anger in him

Lol i dont watch Broadway but it's cool, i went to watch chitty chitty bang bang once

borednow
05-15-2009, 08:36 PM
Davis was killed twice. First, by the writers. The Doomsday storyline worked so well because Witwer did such a good job of making Davis a sympathetic character. You felt bad for him because no matter what he did (and he attempted to destroy himself several times), he was going to lose his battle with the beast.

I actually stopped feeling bad for him at all in Turbulence. In that episode he was doing everything in his power to break up Chloe and Jimmy. He was doing it intentionally, and don't say he wasn't, why else would he come in and rub his getting out of prison in Jimmy's face? It wasn't for his defense, most people would avoid someone who accused them of being a serial killer not confront them. He was becoming more and more a predator and less and less a victim of his nature throughout the whole season. He may have fought it but he slipped down a bloody slope and was in the end a monster, it wasn't some huge leap.

Davis Bloome
05-15-2009, 08:41 PM
why else would he come in and rub his getting out of prison in Jimmy's face? It wasn't for his defense, most people would avoid someone who accused them of being a serial killer not confront them. It was to secure his fake alibi to Chloe. Selfish but not necessarily evil. If he could have convinced Jimmy that it wasn't real, he would have been safe, cause no doubt Jimmy wouldn't have stopped to try and prove Davis' guilt and he was right as Jimmy still was feeling paranoid about Davis being a murderer. Jimmy was right, but he just placed himself into more danger by trying to pursuit Davis.

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 10:54 PM
It was to secure his fake alibi to Chloe. Selfish but not necessarily evil. If he could have convinced Jimmy that it wasn't real, he would have been safe, cause no doubt Jimmy wouldn't have stopped to try and prove Davis' guilt and he was right as Jimmy still was feeling paranoid about Davis being a murderer. Jimmy was right, but he just placed himself into more danger by trying to pursuit Davis.

I agree. I don't think he was trying to ruin their marriage. Jimmy did that all by himself when he told Chloe that marrying her was the worst mistake of his life, and then proceeded to curse her out via phone/email. Then they got a divorce -- they got a divorce! Doesn't seem like anyone tried very hard for that marriage. As I recall, Chloe was up and about having dinners with Davis at her place - moving on quite easily. But Jimmy forgot all about that during the finale and things were right as rain. Yep, everyone does a 180 in this episode. Chloe says it's all for Clark but it's really all for Jimmy. :rolleyes: She's seemingly completely over Jimmy at first. When Davis had captured Oliver and Jimmy, and the EMTs take Jimmy away, does Chloe go with him. Uh, uh. She's all about finding Davis. To Oliver, "I'll find Davis. I'll fix." Oliver tells her not to worry about her boyfriend, Clark will take care of it. This was all during the period when Chloe "thought" she loved Davis. :confused: Confused? I sure am. Then in the finale Davis says kill me to Oliver and the JLA, but then he changes his mind after they split him and becomes some crazed beast-man who's worse than Doomsday! He even starts roaring and screaming like he's about to change to Doomsday again. Great consistency there. I think we had two sets of writers - the ones who wrote the first half and then the writers who crapped all over it during the second half.

SGuthrie27
05-15-2009, 10:57 PM
Man... That was a brutal way to end Davis' saga, but I guess they were trying to show that he truly had gone past the point of any redemption. That was a twist that seriously surprised me. I mean, I figured that Davis would die, but I thought it would be more likely that Doomsday would kill his "puny human alter-ego" himself, not that he'd mortally injure Jimmy and then get skewered. I certainly didn't think that's the move he would've made after just getting separated from the beast within for the first time, something he'd been hoping would and could happen for pretty much the entire season. But I guess he truly was psychotic, Doomsday or no Doomsday. He certainly made for an interesting character and season though, and Sam Witwer should be applauded for his outstanding acting he's put in over the course of Season 8.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

Clana4Life
05-15-2009, 11:08 PM
Man... That was a brutal way to end Davis' saga, but I guess they were trying to show that he truly had gone past the point of any redemption. That was a twist that seriously surprised me. I mean, I figured that Davis would die, but I thought it would be more likely that Doomsday would kill his "puny human alter-ego" himself, not that he'd mortally injure Jimmy and then get skewered. I certainly didn't think that's the move he would've made after just getting separated from the beast within for the first time, something he'd been hoping would and could happen for pretty much the entire season. But I guess he truly was psychotic, Doomsday or no Doomsday. He certainly made for an interesting character and season though, and Sam Witwer should be applauded for his outstanding acting he's put in over the course of Season 8.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

I agree it was brutal and I didn't like it. Sam Witwer is a great actor. I think they will try to bring him back as Zod. He did some much in one season - he was practically my favorite character this season. He brought so much depth and charisma to Davis, which is why it was a huge slap in the face to have him turn into Bizarro-Davis. He literally seemed like some Bizarro version of Davis. I just wish this was Zod's influence. I just hope that since Zod needs a live body to inhabit that he inhabited Davis' body the minute they split him from Doomsday and pretended to be Davis and killed Jimmy, and pretended to allow himself to be killed by Jimmy. Wishful thinking right? :\ A girl can hope. :)