Seriously PS2? Dear Souders and Peterson.... (merged)

[faz]

Look, I'm all for letting TPTB reveal their master plan before making a judgment, but come on. I seem to remember them saying something about a fight, which clearly wasn't there. And Zod? Haven't we barked up this tree once before? Bring someone new in for a change.

Not your best effort PS2...come on, you can do better than that.

[VisionGirl]

Dear producers,

Please stop excluding Lois from acts 3, 4 & 5.

Thank you.

[gameface25]

I am so confused right now Im gonna watch the show again

WTF?

Jimmy dies... they try to make some cop out on his lil bro (with bow tie) and camera...

They spend all season showing how redeeming Davis is while not DD, then they have him go totally out of character and kill Jimmy right in front of Chloe..

then the Coup De Gras... they have Clark acting like someone else entirely after the "battle" (and I use that term as lightly as possible, weakest battle on a finale yet)

So he is gonna stay hidden during the funeral? Then he is all angsty to Chloe, walks away and "disappears" poof? WTF

Then you have Rokk coming back meaningless, just a plot device to get a ring into Lois' hand, so she could go to the future? We dont know because they ignored her from the mid point in the show on...

So Clark dies "tomorrow" eh Rokk? You did nothing to change that, yet he is still alive

Oh and, dont forget Davis reincarnated as Zod... havent seen that before at all

This thing felt so rushed, Id almost call it the worst episode of the season

[Baron Karza]

...and where's robo-brother and the brother from outer space?

[Mrs. Superman]

WORST season finale ever...UGH!!!!!

I loved Jimmy and now I find out he's not the real Jimmy! What a cop out. You changed enough with the mythology already, was JO's age really that big of a deal? DO you honestly feel THAT was the biggest thing you had to fix, to make it more like the mythos? EPIC FAIL. :mad:

[theotherJane]

But please, for the love of God, do not ever. EVER. EVER. ever again write another episode of Smallville. I hope the mods will not delete this thread because I mean this in the nicest way possible.
I never thought I'd actually say this, but I want AlMiles back.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

I agree(except for the AlMiles part). This was just embarrassingly bad. I should have watched Bones(watched Smallville "live" and taped Bones) instead of this crapfest

[NinaDavis]

I'm seriously thinking leave SV, you know? Watch real TV made by and for people not in crack?

[kszonew]

With Kristin and Lana gone (and for the record I like KK and was in the middle about Lana though wasn't her biggest fan in later years) I wouldn't mind Al and Miles coming back. Let's see.....during their time on the show: Rogue, Calling, Exodus, Exhile, Phoenix, Memoria, Shattered, Asylum, Talisman, Covenant, Arrival, Reckoning, Justice, Descent, Quest, Apocolypse. Plus there's some others I'm sure I left out. Not all written by them, but they were at the top of the food chain when those were written.

The new producers, former just writers - I can't name one episode in the catagory of those. There have been some good episodes, but nothing standout or spectacular.

I actually want Al and MIles, even with their shortcomings, back.

[rebecavaldez]

I hope this thread gets deleted. I mean, it was a good episode. It did have some WHAT moments but it was overall good.

[Timester]

Actually, I have to congrats the PS for having the balls for changing the status quo and moving to the Superman story finally.

[Kal El 12]

They just seemed lost..... after a very bad episode last week... it's the same thing for the finale... maybe a new writer or checking out this forum would enlighten them a bit as to what the audience is looking for... cause this episode today was not it at all...

[Ella]

So all this time PS you thought that Jimmy Olsen was getting in the way of the mythos? Really? Please explain yourselves because I don't understand that at all.

[haydenclaireheroes]

we need our creaters back they did a great job with all the charecters. They made them dark but not tooo dark and you can always pull them back in to the light even lex luther. You never were fully thinking wow that guy is pure evil. But this season i feel everone has been so dark. Usually when they make people dark it is not good for a show. Just go back to the roots and bring back the light or the creaters.

[Timester]

So all this time PS you thought that Jimmy Olsen was getting in the way of the mythos? Really? Please explain yourselves because I don't understand that at all.

Seriously, these guys can't win. If is not like the comics, "OMG that doesn't follow the mythos, going /wrists", if is like the comics "OHNOES they are following the mythos, going /wrists".

That's why I praised, they had the balls to kill Jimmy and had the balls to bring a new Jimmy.

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we need our creaters back they did a great job with all the charecters. They made them dark but not tooo dark and you can always pull them back in to the light even lex luther. You never were fully thinking wow that guy is pure evil. But this season i feel everone has been so dark. Usually when they make people dark it is not good for a show. Just go back to the roots and bring back the light or the creaters.

AlMiles were the ones that introduced darkness on the show.

[Lexsghost]

The story now has continuity but it seems to be going all over the place.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

I mean, it was a good episode. It did have some WHAT moments but it was overall good.

Yeah, I feel the same.

[kryptotrite]

This finale sucked.
Jimmy isn't going to be THE Jimmy?
Clark Kent is dead? (so to speak)
WHATEV.

[jaybyrd28]

The new producers, former just writers - I can't name one episode in the catagory of those. There have been some good episodes, but nothing standout or spectacular.

I'm assuming you're aware Kelly and Brian wrote at least two of the ep's you listed as great.

[davidbrenton]

Actually, I have to congrats the PS for having the balls for changing the status quo and moving to the Superman story finally.

I agree. Timester, please respond to my thread "Superman: The Set-Up" so we can start this movement. It's ABSOLUTELY what I watched.

[lebangelrh]

I agree(except for the AlMiles part). This was just embarrassingly bad. I should have watched Bones(watched Smallville "live" and taped Bones) instead of this crapfest

This was better than Bones Finale...but not much, both did not live up to the expectations

[davidbrenton]

They killed this version of Jimmy because WE COMPLAINED ABOUT HIM. Then, they fix it, and WE CRY FOUL.

This was AN AWESOME FINALE and SET-UP FOR SUPERMAN. Never before has a finale shown SUCH PROMISE for AN AMAZING, Superman filled Season.

When the spoilers for S9 start coming in, I seriously hope all of you complainers remember you owe the producers a big fat, superman-size apology.

[Ella]

Seriously, these guys can't win. If is not like the comics, "OMG that doesn't follow the mythos, going /wrists", if is like the comics "OHNOES they are following the mythos, going /wrists".

That's why I praised, they had the balls to kill Jimmy and had the balls to bring a new Jimmy.



Well first of all you are talking to ONE person, and that's to me, so I don't understand this whole "they can't win" business because that seems like a general remark. To me it seemed like a retcon pulled out of nowhere JUST LIKE the whole Davis and Lionel/Traveler storyline. And I'm sorry, I don't praise retcons because they don't make sense to me. And I don't praise based on shock value or based on "balls" to do things that don't make sense to me either. So they killed Jimmy Olsen to fix the age gap? Really? For that? Wow. So much for the mythos not really being set in stone. Because now apparently a character needs to die because he's not the EXACT age of the mythos, which we weren't supposed to be followed to the letter anyway, right?

How does that make sense? :confused:

I'm all for giving the producers credit where credit is due, but I won't pretend that this storyline with Jimmy made any sense, because it didn't. And inserting a little kid at the end who shares the same name won't impress me and it won't convince me that this storyline was any good. It wasn't.

The Davis storyline all season was bad and this lightswitch Jimmy isn't Jimmy storyline was bad too.

If you liked it, good for you. But I won't like it just to cut the producers some slack. I only criticize them when I feel the need to and for this storyline, I'll criticize them.

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They killed this version of Jimmy because WE COMPLAINED ABOUT HIM. Then, they fix it, and WE CRY FOUL..

Not everyone complained about him. In fact, most of the complaining had to do with Chimmy. So yeah, let's not generalize and speak on behalf of the entire forum or the fandom for that matter.

[Timester]

Well first of all you are talking to ONE person, and that's to me, so I don't understand this whole "they can't win" business because that seems like a general remark. To me it seemed like a retcon pulled out of nowhere JUST LIKE the whole Davis and Lionel/Traveler storyline. And I'm sorry, I don't praise retcons because they don't make sense to me. And I don't praise based on shock value or based on "balls" to do things that don't make sense to me either. So they killed Jimmy Olsen to fix the age gap? Really? For that? Wow. So much for the mythos not really being set in stone. Because now apparently a character needs to die because he's not the EXACT age of the mythos, which we weren't supposed to be followed to the letter anyway, right?

I just quoted you, but I'm talking in general. They didn't killed Jimmy Olsen for that, they killed it for the story. His age was a major complain for the past 3 years.

The Davis retcon sucked balls, I agree, but this? I'm used to more confusing explanations from the comics (like the "Bart being a kid again" Geoff Johns explanation). :p


I'm all for giving the producers credit where credit is due, but I won't pretend that this storyline with Jimmy made any sense, because it didn't. And inserting a little kid at the end who shares the same name won't impress me and it won't convince me that this storyline was any good. It wasn't.

But the thing is, does this change anything of his story? It doesn't. He story is still there, like Lionel's story was also there. Lionel didn't became pointless when Lex took his place.

[Skywalker]

Seriously, these guys can't win. If is not like the comics, "OMG that doesn't follow the mythos, going /wrists", if is like the comics "OHNOES they are following the mythos, going /wrists".

...Not understanding your logic AT ALL.

When have fans complained when Smallville was ACTUALLY following the Mythos?


they had the balls to kill Jimmy and had the balls to bring a new Jimmy.WHAT?! :lol:

That makes no sense what so ever.

Its a copout, plain and simple - And an extremely UNECCESARY one at that. Killing Jimmy off completely is one thing, killing "Jimmy" off to bring another character who was suppose to be the real Jimmy Olsen this whole time is borderline retarded.

I guess they need to go back rename the Jimmy Olsen featurette on the season 7 dvd set, to "Jimmy on Jimmy (except Aaron Aashmore)"

[theotherJane]

They killed this version of Jimmy because WE COMPLAINED ABOUT HIM. Then, they fix it, and WE CRY FOUL.

This was AN AWESOME FINALE and SET-UP FOR SUPERMAN. Never before has a finale shown SUCH PROMISE for AN AMAZING, Superman filled Season.

When the spoilers for S9 start coming in, I seriously hope all of you complainers remember you owe the producers a big fat, superman-size apology.

With all due respect, fans that complained about him only did so because he was with Chloe and not because he didn't embody the iconic Jimmy Olsen characterists, because he had all that.

The problem that I have with this episode is that anything can happen now. This was the lamest twist ever. Who's to say that Clark is really Clark, or that Lois is really Lois all this time? Maybe other characters are fakes too. They can just as easily kill off another character and have someone else take their name. The theorists must be rejoicing.

[susangail]

I was very pleasantly surprised at this episode. The last few finales have been so-so. This one was great. Love the little bit of mythos cleanup.

[Timester]

...Not understanding your logic AT ALL.

When have fans complained when Smallville was ACTUALLY following the Mythos?

So many times, so many times...

WHAT?! :lol:


That makes no sense what so ever.

Its a copout, plain and simple - And an extremely UNECCESARY one at that. Killing Jimmy off completely is one thing, killing "Jimmy" off to bring another character who was suppose to be the really Jimmy Olsen this whole time is borderline retarded.

I guess they need to go back rename the Jimmy Olsen featurette on the season 7 dvd set, to "Jimmy on Jimmy (except Aaron Aashmore)"

And you are asking when fans complained? :confused:

[tyson08]

I disagree. It was a great twist by the producers and it does align with the comics. The only problem was they tried to fit a two-parter episode into one, they needed more to time to show the things (Clark/DD aftermath, Davis burial, Chloe explaining what happened with Jimmy/Davis, worrying about Lois, more Tess/orb, JL fighting DD).

[Krypto~Luan]

Loved this episode. Tickled me the right way. The old producers were getting me angry. to each his own.

[xrayvision]

Actually, I have to congrats the PS for having the balls for changing the status quo and moving to the Superman story finally.

I don't see this as any Superman story. I see this becoming a Justice League story and that season 9 will no longer be about Clark Kent's development into becoming Superman. His development as a journalist will also cease if this happens and he never even had a byline.

That set is evidence that the show will revolve around some Watchtower headquarters. This will take the show away from being Clark-Lois-Jimmy-Perry centric and turn it into something completely different. If I'm right about this, the show has completely lost its identity. This is the worst possible fear I had and now it seems like it will come true.

I had no problems of having an older Jimmy. Having an older Jimmy who knows his secret would be better than having a Clark Kent who fails to become Superman without turning back time and without the presence of heroes like Green Arrow, Impulse, Black Canary, etc. I've always said Clark's coming of age & his transformation to Superman should be independent of other heroes. I was already unhappy at the amount of influence other heroes had on him before he becomes Superman. Now it will be worse than ever.

Besides all this, the finale was horrible. Clark is not supposed to turn his back on his optimism of humans. That is the very thing that makes him Superman. The fight was the another huge disappointment.

This finale had a trifecta of disappointment:

1. The death of the character who for 3 years was being built up as Jimmy Olsen.

2. The transformation of the show into a Justice League show rather than a Superman-centric show.

3. The epic failure of the fight.

I don't know what they were thinking of when they wrote this.

[Krypto~Luan]

Besides all this, the finale was horrible. Clark is not supposed to turn his back on his optimism of humans. That is the very thing that makes him Superman. The fight was the another huge disappointment.

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but he's not superman... and theres a budget...just saying

[Vergon6]

This is one time I am all for a RESET button!

[Skywalker]

And you are asking when fans complained? :confused:
Wow...:rolleyes:

You actually consider this progression towards the Superman mythology.

Honestly, its just plain stupid IMO - introducing and laying the groundwork for Jimmy Olsen on the show for 3 seasons, only to kill him off, and have his younger brother become the actual Jimmy Olsen we know. All for the sake of lining up to the mythos because of the AGE DIFFERENCE?! Yeah right....There were no MAJOR complaints about the age difference between him and Clark. The fans have b*tched about a lot more important things than that. We're suppose to believe that TBTP all of sudden took "all of these supposed complaints" to heart, enough to kill AA off and try to reintroduce the character all together?!

Give.Me.A.Break

All it is, is horrible writing - trying to force some convoluted twist in for the sake of the finale.


So many times, so many times...
Sure if your talking about shipper complaints. :rolleyes: (Clark should be with ____ because blah blah blah...)

[Ella]

I don't see this as any Superman story. I see this becoming a Justice League story and that season 9 will no longer be about Clark Kent's development into becoming Superman. His development as a journalist will also cease if this happens and he never even had a byline.

That set is evidence that the show will revolve around some Watchtower headquarters. This will take the show away from being Clark-Lois-Jimmy-Perry centric and turn it into something completely different. If I'm right about this, the show has completely lost its identity. This is the worst possible fear I had and now it seems like it will come true.

I had no problems of having an older Jimmy. Having an older Jimmy who knows his secret would be better than having a Clark Kent who fails to become Superman without turning back time and without the presence of heroes like Green Arrow, Impulse, Black Canary, etc. I've always said Clark's coming of age & his transformation to Superman should be independent of other heroes. I was already unhappy at the amount of influence other heroes had on him before he becomes Superman. Now it will be worse than ever.

Besides all this, the finale was horrible. Clark is not supposed to turn his back on his optimism of humans. That is the very thing that makes him Superman. The fight was the another huge disappointment.

This finale had a trifecta of disappointment:

1. The death of the character who for 3 years was being built up as Jimmy Olsen.

2. The transformation of the show into a Justice League show rather than a Superman-centric show.

3. The epic failure of the fight.

I don't know what they were thinking of when they wrote this.


Thank you!

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

his was better than Bones Finale...but not much, both did not live up to the expectations

Hardly, Bones was a million times better and it didn't insult my intelligence as a viewer


And I don't praise based on shock value or based on "balls" to do things that don't make sense to me either. So they killed Jimmy Olsen to fix the age gap? Really? For that? Wow. So much for the mythos not really being set in stone. Because now apparently a character needs to die because he's not the EXACT age of the mythos, which we weren't supposed to be followed to the letter anyway, right?

Well said!

By this logic then Chloe should bite the big one, she's not even part of the mythos.

I now have NO hope that Season 9 is going to be any better

[xrayvision]

This is one time I am all for a RESET button!

Same here. Please for God's sake press the button. Otherwise this show will turn into something I will never recognize.

[Mrs. Superman]

Well of course the audience isn't gonna see the JO "twist" coming since he's been referred to as JBO many times before. But now all of a sudden he's HENRY??? WTF. Since WHEN? And why wasn't he called Henry at his wedding? Retconning never makes for a good twist. It just angers many many ppl. If they wanted a good twist, they need to do it with something we've seen play out ONSCREEN, not something they went back and changed to "shock" ppl. I thought it was garbage.

[Timester]

Wow...:rolleyes:

You actually consider this progression towards the Superman mythology.

Its just plain stupid - introducing and laying the groundwork for Jimmy Olsen on the show for 3 seasons, only to kill him off, and have his younger brother become the actual Jimmy Olsen we know. All for the sake of lining up to the mythos because of the AGE DIFFERENCE?! Yeah right....There were no MAJOR complaints about age difference between him and Clark. The fans have b*tched about a lot more important things than that. We're suppose to believe that TBTP all of sudden took "all of these supposed complaints" to heart, enough to kill AA off and try to reintroduce the character all together?!

And Lionel?


Sure if your talking about shipper complaints. :rolleyes: (Clark should be with ____ because blah blah blah...)

Not only shippers, plently of other examples.

[xrayvision]

And why would 2 brothers have the same name? They're not George Foreman's kids.

:confused:

[Mrs. Superman]

And once again I'll state, if they want to line it up closer to the mythos there is a lot more important changes they made that they need to fix to get closer to the Supes story. Far more things than something like JO's age.

[Ella]

And why would 2 brothers have the same name? They're not George Foreman's kids.

:confused:

It's not ONLY that. Jimmy WAS referred to as James Bartholomew Olsen before. So why would two bothers have the EXACT same name. It doesn't make a lick of sense because it's a retcon.

[Timester]

And once again I'll state, if they want to line it up closer to the mythos there is a lot more important changes they made that they need to fix to get closer to the Supes story. Far more things than something like JO's age.

If people didn't focused much on Jimmy's death and the fact that there are still many cliffhangers and a full season to be worked... :\

[Ella]

And once again I'll state, if they want to line it up closer to the mythos there is a lot more important changes they made that they need to fix to get closer to the Supes story. Far more things than something like JO's age.

Exaaactly!

Not to mention that now it appears that Jimmy will be younger than the IJO so what did that fix exactly??? :confused:

[xrayvision]

I don't remember that, but I believe you. It's just stupid what they did.

[brando_2185]

I don't think anyone should really be upset over Jimmy dying quickly.

Remember Lois getting the Legion flight ring? *cough*abilitytochangetime*cough*

lol.

[Ella]

I don't remember that, but I believe you. It's just stupid what they did.
And I tried looking for it but I don't have all my SV dvds. :( Only seasons 1-3 since I've moved in with my fiance recently. I left most of my things behind. But I'm sure it's there.

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I don't think anyone should really be upset over Jimmy dying quickly.

Remember Lois getting the Legion flight ring? *cough*abilitytochangetime*cough*

lol.

That's what I initially thought so I was fine with it. But now everyone is talking about a permanent death and that is so NOT cool.

[Skywalker]

And Lionel?
We must be watching different shows, because I don't remember them killing off Lionel, and then introducing a relative who was actually named Lionel Luthor, and the real father of Lex Luthor.


Not only shippers, plently of other examples.
Please by all means, I'd love to hear them.

[RedKRules]

Dear Souders and Peterson....

Do you guys seriously get paid for writing ????

[thehenry89]

We need to rewind this episode and make it so that it never happend.

[kszonew]

I'm assuming you're aware Kelly and Brian wrote at least two of the ep's you listed as great.

I ment Season 8 episodes, nothing they wrote in Season 8 stood out to me. I actually didn't think they were always bad writers, but as producers they have been as flawed in ways as Al and Miles were.

I don't know if I'd say they should never write again, but as a whole, I'd like to see some new blood who can both appreciate the show's past and stay true to it, but also look to the future come aboard next season.

Sometimes it seems like they are trying TOO hard to set up the mythose and literaly connect it instead of doing what the show seemed to be trying to do at the beginning - tell the start of the tale a different way while still staying true to what we all know happens. Sometimes it feels like they are doing what they did before, sometimes it feels like they are trying too hard not to and not doing well what they are now trying to do. Who knows anymore. Guess we'll know in September.

[xrayvision]

This was worse than Reckoning & Promise combined. The damage this episode did makes me even wonder if it's worse than Power.

[Timester]

Just for your info, killing Jimmy wasn't PS decision. Check the spoilers forum for more info.

[Krypto~Luan]

I loved this episode. ^_^ the new crew rocks. they're not without flaws, but they reestablished why this is my favorite show

[CreamPuffer]

I hope this thread gets deleted. I mean, it was a good episode. It did have some WHAT moments but it was overall good.

LOL.....yea ok. Is your other favorite show 90210?

[rehana/chole]

But please, for the love of God, do not ever. EVER. EVER. ever again write another episode of Smallville. I hope the mods will not delete this thread because I mean this in the nicest way possible.
I never thought I'd actually say this, but I want AlMiles back.


u an me both . u belive i aually miss them.

[Kryppy]

the answer is: GET DC COMIC BOOK WRITERS TO WRITE SMALLVILLE EPISODES!!! THEY ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT TO DO!! LOOK WHAT GEOFF JOHNS DID WITH THE LEGION EPISODE!! GETS AS MANY DC COMIC WRITERS INVOLVED NEXT YEAR AS POSSIBLE AND TRY TO WRITE AS LITTLE YOURSELF AS POSSIBLE!

Al & Miles lost it after Season 2, and PS3 started this season great but lost it after Legion..... Comic writers actually know what to do for Clark Kent stories, you clearly don't! So please stop pissing off the viewers! Get writers who will know what to write!

[thehenry89]

This was worse than Reckoning & Promise combined. The damage this episode did makes me even wonder if it's worse than Power.

gawd nothing can be as awful as those eps, but this comes very close.

[Timester]

the answer is: GET DC COMIC BOOK WRITERS TO WRITE SMALLVILLE EPISODES!!! THEY ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT TO DO!! LOOK WHAT GEOFF JOHNS DID WITH THE LEGION EPISODE!! GETS AS MANY DC COMIC WRITERS INVOLVED NEXT YEAR AS POSSIBLE AND TRY TO WRITE AS LITTLE YOURSELF AS POSSIBLE!

Jimmy's death decision came right from DC Comics. Check the spoilers forum.

[ZeoVGM]

Absolutely terrible what they did with Jimmy. HORRIBLE.

[Krypto~Luan]

Absolutely terrible what they did with Jimmy. HORRIBLE.

And yet it taste so good! :p

[monel49]

Great episode PS. You thought outside the box and shook us all up.

Give us more like this and we'll be looking at season 10. Well done!

[antx]

Kelly and Brian did an outstanding job with the finale.It was sooo good and had a couple WTH and Awe moments.I loved the dialogue and pacing of the story.For an episode filled with so many characters,I thought they did a great job with finding a place for everyone to be.I also thought it was so much better than the season premiere Odyssey.

[Skywalker]

Jimmy's death decision came right from DC Comics. Check the spoilers forum.

Nope. They had a problem with the age difference BUT there's nothing in that interview to indicate that it was DC decision.

I dont buy it at all. Not that Aaron is lying, I'm sure PS3 told him that, but I think its nothing more than BS to cover their own a**.

Are we REALLY suppose to believe that with all the changes to the mythos Smallville has instituted over the series, that DC would have such a MAJOR problem with a 10 yr age difference that they would force PS3 to kill off Aaron. Yeah right...

All it does is show how stupid PS3 were to try and introduce AA as Jimmy Olsen, if they were always to going to cop out by having not be the "real" Jimmy Olsen.

[thehenry89]

Dear Sounders and Peterson,

thanks for absolutley nothing. If this is the kind of writing I can look forward to in the future then just cancel the show now and take me out of my misery.

[theotherJane]

Jimmy's death decision came right from DC Comics. Check the spoilers forum.

We don't know that. Nowhere in his quote does it say that DC Comics knew about the death. All we know is that the producers wanted Jimmy on SV, DC was reluctant because of the age difference and the rest is purely speculation. AA is just inferring that DC gave the rights after the producers said they'll find a way to rectify the age difference.

[RedKRules]

Where´s Al/Miles when we need them the most ? This episode actually made me miss Promise..

[Krypto~Luan]

The show had a great season finale, better then the hideous think they placed last year....

"I'm lex, i have a shinny ball, fear me!"

[Timester]

We don't know that. Nowhere in his quote does it say that DC Comics knew about the death. All we know is that the producers wanted Jimmy on SV, DC was reluctant because of the age difference and the rest is purely speculation. AA is just inferring that DC gave the rights after the producers said they'll find a way to rectify the age difference.

And you don't think that DC wouldn't put such restrictions? I have to remind the Clois restrictions.

[rehana/chole]

Dear Souders and Peterson....

Do you guys seriously get paid for writing ????

:lol: wel said

[Krypto~Luan]

I noticed that fans are very very picky. when one little thing is wrong, some people get angry. But in all honesty, i like that about them, their tightness for mythos and people like me who are willing to go witht he flow, mesh well and we get this superb show. I love this finale, but i feel the people who want hard core mythos would complain about it being unoriginal. I say, unless something is truly outragous, let Smallville be another telling. Many legends with a "common ancestor" if you wil. A diffrent leaf on the same tree.

[Theshadow129x]

stop crying. it was a great finale.

[Mrs. Superman]

Little thing? They just killed off a character I loved and completely retconned his name. I dont think thats a little thing. There is plenty in this finale for ppl to be upset about.

[smallvillerocks45]

I was shocked as heck! I didn't see any of it (aside from the DC, the trailer and special web clips) coming, and while I am going to miss Jimmy (Aaron Ashmore) and hope he comes back, I am so pumped for next season. There is so much left to discover -- like where is Lois, for instance, what is Clark going to do, is that supposed to be Zod?

I don't even know where to begin, but I am far from disappointed. I wish this had been a 2 hour long finale. It was quite amazing.

[Krypto~Luan]

stop crying. it was a great finale.

Lol i agree


I saw that death coming a mile away. And davis also.

I had 3 people
Tess
Davis
or
Jimmy...


I wasnt too far off.

[xrayvision]

And you don't think that DC wouldn't put such restrictions? I have to remind the Clois restrictions.

This really doesn't make sense.

We have:

1. Lex knowing Clark's secret.
2. Lex dying (even though I don't think he's dead).
3. Lana getting some kryptonite sucking suit and turning into SuperLana.
4. Lois meeting Clark when he was still in highschool.
5. Clark meeting all sorts of heroes & joining the JLA well before he becomes Superman.
6. Clark fighting Brainiac, Zod, Doomsday, Zor-El, etc all before becoming Superman.
7. Three different versions of Krypton's destruction.
8. Bizarro, Morgan Edge, Neutron & plenty of other characters of Clark's Superman life dying way before he ever becomes Superman.
9. Bizarro being very different from his iconic version.
10. Lucy Lane being Jimmy's age in the comics & dating him (guess that won't happen on this show now unless Jimmy's brother will be dating a 40 year old when he's 25).
11. Bart & Victor appearing in the JLA (Barry & Wally were in the JLA & Victor is supposed to be a Teen Titan).
12. Clark Kent not wearing glasses and everyone & their mother knowing his secret and seeing his face while doing his hero work.

And DC has a problem with Jimmy's age out of all things?

Why not go back and explain that the Lois & Lex are not the real Lois & Lex and are just frauds who coincidentally have the same name? Lex in most versions of the comics stories doesn't meet Clark until he's Superman. Why be selective & picky about Jimmy? Why not go back and retcon all the 12 points I listed above? Why stop at Jimmy? Maybe instead of having Michael Rosenbaum's Lex being the iconic Lex/Alexander Joseph Luthor from the comics, they could explain that he was Lex Alan Luthor (or have some other middle name).

This is just horrible writing. I don't read spoilers and have heard that many times they've been wrong. I just can't logically understand how Jimmy's age would be such a bad thing to DC when Smallville has strayed much further from canon with several other things they did.

[Kryppy]

This really doesn't make sense.

We have:

1. Lex knowing Clark's secret.
2. Lex dying (even though I don't think he's dead).
3. Lana getting some kryptonite sucking suit and turning into SuperLana.
4. Lois meeting Clark when he was still in highschool.
5. Clark meeting all sorts of heroes & joining the JLA well before he becomes Superman.
6. Clark fighting Brainiac, Zod, Doomsday, Zor-El, etc all before becoming Superman.
7. Three different versions of Krypton's destruction.
8. Bizarro, Morgan Edge, Neutron & plenty of other characters of Clark's Superman life dying way before he ever becomes Superman.
9. Bizarro being very different from his iconic version.
10. Lucy Lane being Jimmy's age in the comics & dating him (guess that won't happen on this show now unless Jimmy's brother will be dating a 40 year old when he's 25).
11. Bart & Victor appearing in the JLA (Barry & Wally were in the JLA & Victor is supposed to be a Teen Titan).
12. Clark Kent not wearing glasses and everyone & their mother knowing his secret and seeing his face while doing his hero work.

And DC has a problem with Jimmy's age out of all things?


Aside from the fact that you only listed about 5% of all the major changes, I agree completely.

[Krypto~Luan]

Thats a mouthful. :\


Hey i know people are mad, but people complain about season 7, then they start complaing about season 8. Sheesh.


Oh Smallville fans, the devoute and angry, i love you all.

[Timester]

This really doesn't make sense.

We have:

1. Lex knowing Clark's secret.
2. Lex dying (even though I don't think he's dead).

Both happened in the comics and L&C.


3. Lana getting some kryptonite sucking suit and turning into SuperLana.

I'll give you up that, but nothing in the Power Arc made sense.


4. Lois meeting Clark when he was still in highschool.
5. Clark meeting all sorts of heroes & joining the JLA well before he becomes Superman.
6. Clark fighting Brainiac, Zod, Doomsday, Zor-El, etc all before becoming Superman.
7. Three different versions of Krypton's destruction.
8. Bizarro, Morgan Edge, Neutron & plenty of other characters of Clark's Superman life dying way before he ever becomes Superman.
9. Bizarro being very different from his iconic version.
10. Lucy Lane being Jimmy's age in the comics & dating him (guess that won't happen on this show now unless Jimmy's brother will be dating a 40 year old when he's 25).
11. Bart & Victor appearing in the JLA (Barry & Wally were in the JLA & Victor is supposed to be a Teen Titan).
12. Clark Kent not wearing glasses and everyone & their mother knowing his secret and seeing his face while doing his hero work.

All happened before season 8. Which you will get next what I'm saying.


And DC has a problem with Jimmy's age out of all things?

Try this exercise, pick up this season and compare it with the previous ones. Start with Clark on the DP and Lois top jornalism, for example. You will notice a padron.

[Krypto~Luan]

I never understood why people continue to nit pick then keep watching expecting some miracle. I love how the producers listen to us. But not every Smallville fantasy of ours will be written in stone. honestly, if you read the comics, understand there are diffrent interpritations to each, then when smallville takes a turn, people flip. Its beyond reasoning for me.

[NinaDavis]

The epic fail was the episode title DOOMSDAY, and the fight was LAME!

[Ella]

PS did you just kill Jimmy so that we would all forget that the Doomsday battle sucked? Because um, yeah, it took me a while to come back to that, but man was that god awful. That was the iconic DD/Superman battle? Epic fail, guys. On a positive note, keep your make up artists for Erica and Cassidy around for next year. They looked stunning in this episode!

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The epic fail was the episode title DOOMSDAY, and the fight was LAME!
How funny, I was just posting about the same thing! :lol: Guess it took us a while to remember that with the whole Jimmy thing.

But yeah, the battle was laaaaaaaaaame!

[kszonew]

I love this finale, but i feel the people who want hard core mythos would complain about it being unoriginal. I say, unless something is truly outragous, let Smallville be another telling. Many legends with a "common ancestor" if you wil. A diffrent leaf on the same tree.

I too feel and like the fact that the show is a dif leaf/same tree. But this episode in some ways, provided the speculation on some people's parts, comes to pass seems to be doing the exact opposite. They seem to be trying too hard to turn Smallville's future into the exact mythos, and almost make 8 years mean a little less. I thought they were on a path to the basis of the supes story we knew already happening. Lois and Clark, Jimmy etc. Needed some work maybe. But now what comes next, I don't know. It just almost feels sometimes like they are trying too hard instead of just trying and being successful. Sept is a long, long way off....whata summer it's going to be.

[hakavon]

But please, for the love of God, do not ever. EVER. EVER. ever again write another episode of Smallville. I hope the mods will not delete this thread because I mean this in the nicest way possible.
I never thought I'd actually say this, but I want AlMiles back.

We began getting some pretty good writing on SMALLVILLE...

The finale was not an example of that.

Who's been doing the good ones? :\

[Krypto~Luan]

Budget... budget... most smallville fights are this... quick. Zod and clark... I'm not sure how long the fights with Bizzaro were.

What i notice is people create this "EPIC" fight in there head, then when the filmed fight shows up, its not what they imagined. So the hype people created was...in their heads :lol:

[bigblueplanet]

10. Lucy Lane being Jimmy's age in the comics & dating him (guess that won't happen on this show now unless Jimmy's brother will be dating a 40 year old when he's 25).


:lol:

Good one. Oh wait! Maybe she is not THE Lucy either. Her real name is perhaps Lucy Roll Lane. Lois has another much youger sister and she will be the real deal. LOL

But seriously. In this show, WE. JUST. NEVER. KNOW! :rolleyes:

[Ella]

:lol:

Good one. Oh wait! Maybe she is not THE Lucy either. Her real name is perhaps Lucy Roll Lane. Lois has another much youger sister and she will be the real deal. LOL

But seriously. In this show, WE. JUST. NEVER. KNOW! :rolleyes:
:rotfl:


The thing is that if this cop out of aligning the mythos flies then it means that sometime next year everyone must forget who Chloe Sullivan is because no one in the mythos knows her since she doesn't exist.

So forget about just killing Chloe, you have to make sure that she's also erased from everyone's memories.

Good luck with that, PS! :rolleyes:

[Krypto~Luan]

I too feel and like the fact that the show is a dif leaf/same tree. But this episode in some ways, provided the speculation on some people's parts, comes to pass seems to be doing the exact opposite. They seem to be trying too hard to turn Smallville's future into the exact mythos, and almost make 8 years mean a little less. I thought they were on a path to the basis of the supes story we knew already happening. Lois and Clark, Jimmy etc. Needed some work maybe. But now what comes next, I don't know. It just almost feels sometimes like they are trying too hard instead of just trying and being successful. Sept is a long, long way off....whata summer it's going to be.

I say take smallville as it is given, unless it becomes ridiculous, like, Lana, i liked her. But her storylines where there and they sucked. IT was dragged out in the mud. I do belive in "taken whats given", but inspection is always required ;)

CAn i get a VIVA LA SMALLVILLE?:rotfl:

[kszonew]

Budget... budget... most smallville fights are this... quick. Zod and clark... I'm not sure how long the fights with Bizzaro were.

What i notice is people create this "EPIC" fight in there head, then when the filmed fight shows up, its not what they imagined. So the hype people created was...in their heads :lol:

Oddly enough one of the best and longer fight scenes was Clark and Titan from Combat. And what made it good was there was a purpose beyond it being a fight scene, and that was the fact Clark was full of rage and actually looking for a fight. Sadly, everyone hates that episode even though it's actually pretty good. Not spectacular but good and underappreciated.

[Krypto~Luan]

Oddly enough the best fight scene was Clark and Titan from Combat. And what made it good was there was a purpose beyond it being a fight scene, and that was the fact Clark was full of rage and actually looking for a fight. Sadly, everyone hates that episode even though it's actually pretty good. Not spectacular but good and underappreciated.

Yeah that WAS underappreciated. I did like that episode! i always thought that Justice was overrated. Good but overrated.

[SuperheroFan87]

Dear Peterson/Souders

Okay.........clearly by this WTF episode, you have run out of ideas! Do you know what that means? IT MEANS NO MORE STALLING!!!!!!!!!! Either bring in SUPERMAN next season or don't do another season at all! The Jimmy thing was a twist (didn't see that coming) but did you have to pull it out of your @$$? Good storytellers put a little foreshadowing into over arching storylines........if you had planted a few vague seeds throughout the season then it would have been easier to pass off. I wasn't particularly happy with the conclusion to the Doomsday storyline........I was expecting more of a "Death of Superman" thing...............and you call that a fight? The Bizarro/Clark fight went longer than that and was far cooler! I mean hell, this makes Arctic's lame ending look like Shakespeare! You guys need to hand the reigns to comic writers (the people who ACTUALLY KNOW THE DAMN MATERIAL) next season because now I don't trust you to actually do a good job aligning the mythos to the show, in fact I'm sure you two aren't exactly 100% sure on just who the hell Superman is!!!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Ready to pick up a comic yet?

[kszonew]

Yeah that WAS underappreciated. I did like that episode! i always thought that Justice was overrated. Good but overrated.

Going to have to agree about Justice. I do consider it one of the core episodes and even called it great earlier, but personally it was never on my top ten list. Sometimes I wish they'd limit the DC characters, as I think they bring them on just to do so.

[Krypto~Luan]

Going to have to agree about Justice. I do consider it one of the core episodes and even called it great earlier, but personally it was never on my top ten list. Sometimes I wish they'd limit the DC characters, as I think they bring them on just to do so.

Me too! I liked Justice. But the constant additions of DC characters does seem to be one spoonful too many. I think they get a little carried away at times.

[xrayvision]

Both happened in the comics and L&C.

I don't consider L&C canon. I know it happened in the comics, but things were returned to the normal scenario where Lex doesn't know & is alive. This has been the consistent nature. Yes, they veer off course to write new things every now & then, but in the long run, Lex will be kept in the dark & be a living enemy.


All happened before season 8. Which you will get next what I'm saying.

Try this exercise, pick up this season and compare it with the previous ones. Start with Clark on the DP and Lois top jornalism, for example. You will notice a padron.

That's like saying ignore everything that happened earlier. I can't do that. Ignoring everything that happened earlier was a requirement in order to make Veritas believable. I didn't do it for that plot, and I'm not doing it here. I especially won't ignore the earliest seasons because they were my favorite and the character of Clark Kent was much closer to his iconic self than the one we got from season 4 onward. I thought in season 8 they fixed him, but the final scene with him clearly tells me they really screwed him up. Maybe they want to turn him as dark as Batman given the popularity of the Dark Knight movie.

I usually agree with you Bruno, but I can't on this issue. If DC wishes to turn everything around that doesn't follow comic book canon, then they should retcon the entire show. It's not fair to pick & choose especially after how much they made me (and several other viewers) love Jimmy this season. Jimmy's age was never a problem to me. Yeah, I noticed it when he first appeared, but I overlooked it because the most glaring problem at the time was Clark Kent and his portrayal. There are so many other more significant issues that don't align with the comic book mythos that should have been corrected.

If DC had a problem with Jimmy, then they should never have allowed him to be on the show. It's not fair getting viewers used to a character and then pulling off a stunt like this. That's why I don't believe what is listed on the spoilers page. DC would have been much more hands-on and not allowed Jimmy on the show if they had a problem with his age.

[hakavon]

Umm...

What's a "padron"?

[jpfort1957]

Send me an application!!!!!!!!!!!! I believe I could have written a better fniale!!!!!!!!

[Kryptochloe]

Dear TPTB: Congratulations!... Worst season finale ever....

[Ella]

I usually agree with you Bruno, but I can't on this issue. If DC wishes to turn everything around that doesn't follow comic book canon, then they should retcon the entire show. It's not fair to pick & choose especially after how much they made me (and several other viewers) love Jimmy this season. Jimmy's age was never a problem to me. Yeah, I noticed it when he first appeared, but I overlooked it because the most glaring problem at the time was Clark Kent and his portrayal. There are so many other more significant issues that don't align with the comic book mythos that should have been corrected.

If DC had a problem with Jimmy, then they should never have allowed him to be on the show. It's not fair getting viewers used to a character and then pulling off a stunt like this. That's why I don't believe what is listed on the spoilers page. DC would have been much more hands-on and not allowed Jimmy on the show if they had a problem with his age.

Quoted for truth.

[4Clana]

Exaaactly!

Not to mention that now it appears that Jimmy will be younger than the IJO so what did that fix exactly??? :confused:
ITA, it's lazy poor writing under the guise of "fixing" something. They fixed nothing.

[Dr. Blade]

I don't want Al or Miles back, but I sure don't want any more of this crap. *sharpens pitchfork*

[topping82]

Dear TPTB: What you did to Jimmy, Davis, Chloe and Clark was just wrong. Oh, and Oliver too. IF there ever was a class on how not to write, I would take it from you. Talk about the worst character assassinations I've ever seen.

Why build up a Beauty and the Beast story line to not have the Beast redeemed in the end?

Superman is supposed to be about hope. All I feel is despair when I watch this show. And for goodness sake, stop crapping on Chloe.

That said, as annoyed as I am about the Jimmy death, I am more annoyed about the Davis death. It was wrong. Just wrong. And I thought the Tony lightswitch on 24 was bad.

[Rhaspodel]

Umm...

What's a "padron"?

forgiving that person(s) who caused a horrific event or something that everyone was apposed.

Other thant that, I can't say in one word how to explain that finale...Lois mysteriously disappear in act II to god I don't know where; Jimmy or who ever he was is dead how weird was that. They should have left Clark or Chloe hanging for dear life like Phantom did. Zod's symbol...why? just why?

This was the most complexing finale ever, the CSI finales way better than this one.

See this is what happens when you forced a series to have a dark season, some bad results will happen and looking at Doomsday it proved my point.

[Kal26]

But please, for the love of God, do not ever. EVER. EVER. ever again write another episode of Smallville. I hope the mods will not delete this thread because I mean this in the nicest way possible.
I never thought I'd actually say this, but I want AlMiles back.

I agree. If we get ripped out of an ending to this story that's been building up for eight seasons now because these people can't get their crap together, I'm going to be livid. I never wanted AlMiles to go, but in a way, it's funny that so many people thought they were ruining the show, and were happy with ps3, and are now finding out how bad it could have been.

[Mr.Magic]

With all due respect, fans that complained about him only did so because he was with Chloe and not because he didn't embody the iconic Jimmy Olsen characterists, because he had all that.

The problem that I have with this episode is that anything can happen now. This was the lamest twist ever. Who's to say that Clark is really Clark, or that Lois is really Lois all this time? Maybe other characters are fakes too. They can just as easily kill off another character and have someone else take their name. The theorists must be rejoicing.

That's not a bad idea. I'd like to have a better Clark Kent... Less soap opera, more Superman.
Superman to me is a squeaky clean goody-two-shoes who keeps it light even though he spends a lot of time with scum. *Sigh* I'm off, Smallville always makes me rewatch the superior "Lois & Clark", make that way way superior.

[superkgirl]

I was very optimistic at the start of this season and now I'm just like.........WHAT?!
I'm beginning to wonder if Clark will even become Superman on this show, it is after all called Smallville:\ although I see no other direction for it to go but HEY I know we'll just have the terrible writers figure that out they're doing one HECK of a job so far......

Killing Jimmy was stupid stupid STUPID! Is this becoming some kind of trend? Killing off someone from the mythos? First Lex (although he didn't really die, and then having Oliver kill him....WTH? I'm still holding out hope that he isn't dead) and now Jimmy oh excuse me the 'fake' Jimmy:\ Although I like Chloe (sometimes, though they've pretty much ruined her this season) IMO it would have made a lot more sense to kill her off, but no instead they kill off Jimmy:(

As for people complaining well of course there are people complaining, what the heck did they think was going to happen when they killed off a character they'd built up for three years? People were just gonna whoop for joy?

[thehenry89]

Dear Sounders and Peterson,

The story of persophone and hades that you told is completly and totally wrong, but I guess since you guys are so good at ruining mythos anyway, you would not be adverse to destroying classical greek myth, or "reinterpreting" it to suit you own vanity. Please don't ever write another episode of smallville again, hire people who actually know what's happening on the show to do that.

with decreasing affection
thehenry89

[jmf1977]

I agree. If we get ripped out of an ending to this story that's been building up for eight seasons now because these people can't get their crap together, I'm going to be livid. I never wanted AlMiles to go, but in a way, it's funny that so many people thought they were ruining the show, and were happy with ps3, and are now finding out how bad it could have been.

ITA with this post. I feel like we were ripped off with this particular ending. Looking back at all of the spoilers and interviews given prior to the season finale, I was expecting so much more. I was expecting a great Clark/Doomsday battle and maybe something happening to Clark for a season cliffhanger. Instead, we get Lois gone for the last half of the ep, the JLA disappearing, Chloe as the martyr, Davis murdering Jimmy...WTF. Am I to believe that these are the events that will turn Clark into Superman? Please.

I was hopeful for a great season 9 where all of the mythos would come together: Clark in glasses/reporter mode for the DP with Lois, Clark and Lois developing a real relationship, the emergence of Superman, Perry White, etc... Instead, I think we we get more of the JLA and Chloe as Watchtower from the apartment of her dead estranged husband!!! (which means less Clark) Not looking forward to Chloe being at the forefront of ALL of the superhero escapades. If this is the season finale, god help us all for the series finale.

BTW, if Clark continues to wear the blue jeans, blue tshirt and red jacket next year, in spite of the fact that the city is aware of a RBB, then he should NOT be Superman...no one would be that stupid!

[Rhaspodel]

Dear Sounders and Peterson,

The story of persophone and hades that you told is completly and totally wrong, but I guess since you guys are so good at ruining mythos anyway, you would not be adverse to destroying classical greek myth, or "reinterpreting" it to suit you own vanity. Please don't ever write another episode of smallville again, hire people who actually know what's happening on the show to do that.

with decreasing affection
thehenry89

they messing up with Superman mythology and real Greek mythology, what's next the American mythology.

[Meteror Freak]

I think if enough fans gat angry enough about the Jimmy retcon, they will bring him back and retcon their own (two characters will die and stay dead.)

[Kryppy]

Dear CW,

Please read this fan fiction I wrote a year ago for a series finale
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88893
Obviously it’s much better than anything seen in Season 8 (except the Legion episode).

So why pay so much to these lame writers (and pay even more to produce their ideas to live action), when you could pay me a lot less to do a lot better? Feel free to PM me with a job offer if you want to see Smallville improve dramatically.

[thehenry89]

:rotfl:

[CreamPuffer]

Dear CW,

Please read this fan fiction I wrote a year ago for a series finale
http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=88893
Obviously it’s much better than anything seen in Season 8 (except the Legion episode).

So why pay so much to these lame writers (and pay even more to produce their ideas to live action), when you could pay me a lot less to do a lot better? Feel free to PM me with a job offer if you want to see Smallville improve dramatically.


This post is full of Win. :rotfl:

[superkgirl]

:rotfl::rotfl:
WOOT!!! WOOT!!!

[Kryppy]

You think that's funny? Read my story and compare it to Season 8. Then stop laughing.

[ZODisGOD]

Dear Souders and Peterson....

I would like to give you my sincere thank you. I used to be an addicted fan of Smallville and been wanting to see the series end already with Clark becoming Superman. However tonight, with that abysmal piece of work, you help put that final nail in that coffin and now I'm feeling free and cured already. So although I've decided not to watch Season 9, I wish you the best of luck with it.

ZODisGOD

[Aries83]

I love the title of this thread...If you write for Smallville, maybe I can be hired as a Barista to provide the cast and crew with better coffee. I'll even bring my own coffee pot:rotfl:

I can see it now:

Me: "Get your own coffee, Souders...and stay away from the glazed donuts...they're ONLY for TW!":rotfl:

[anewbie]

I think the piece of advice I can give for whoever writing the script for Smallville is to give attention to details because the fans are very much into that so don't underestimate.

[davidbrenton]

I apologize to the writers for all the pessimistic, never satisfied, glass half empty audience they endure while reading Kryptonsite forums.

[Krypto~Luan]

Im with ya there David. i can tell you all the people who say they wont watch...will.

[Clana4Life]

Worst Season Finale in the entire 8 years.

[Jade4813]

Im with ya there David. i can tell you all the people who say they wont watch...will.

Not all, surely. The question is how many people do need to make good on that threat before the show is in trouble when it comes to the S10 they so clearly covet.

[Krypto~Luan]

Worst Season Finale in the entire 8 years.

Ah yes even worse then that pathetic thing known as Arctic. :rolleyes:

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Not all, surely. The question is how many people do need to make good on that threat before the show is in trouble when it comes to the S10 they so clearly covet.

It can end at seaon 9. I would like season 10, but 9 is just fine by me.

[Kschreck]

And to think that the writers that did tonight's horrible episode and Eternal will be the top producers of season nine and ten... I have very little faith left. Horrible writing, non stop retcons and just pure laziness! These writers treat us like were all 2 year olds with memories no better then that of Gold Fish.

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Ah yes even worse then that pathetic thing known as Arctic. :rolleyes:


Arctic was completely awesome. It only sucked that Michael Rosenbaum quickly left the show and never finished the conclusion to that episode.

[Krypto~Luan]

And we complain like 5 year olds.

[davidbrenton]

These writers treat us like were all 2 year olds with memories no better then that of Gold Fish.


Or Izzie Stevens.

(I don't really believe it, but wanted to throw in a shout out to greys. The writers were clever in getting to KH by offing her best friend on the show in real life). The writing even matched up with that sentiment. Man, this industry is brutal.

[VisionGirl]

Dear producers,

Your writing's bad and you should feel bad.

[Krypto~Luan]

Dear producers,

nice job with jimmy. ^_^


:p

[acciobrain101]

Dear producers,
From where did you pull that plot for the season finale...your a**?

[Krypto~Luan]

[mod edit]






Arctic was completely awesome. It only sucked that Michael Rosenbaum quickly left the show and never finished the conclusion to that episode.

Anti-climactic usually doesnt equal awesome. But hey. To each his own.

Plus Michael didnt even put in effort with acting towards the end of the season. He just wanted out.

[Supsfan]

Dear S&D

May I suggest to stop writing season long story arcs and go back to the formula of 1 shot FOTW episodes with minor movements in character relationships at the back end of each episode. Your season long "dramatic" storylines suck

PS: Next season let the villians on your show be villians and have no other purpose on the show beyond that

[amalie]

Why? Please tell me why on Earth you would pull a 'Chlois' on Jimmy when you know how much that theory is detested by the majority of viewers and how ridiculous it really is.


Why would you do something so disrespectful to AA and to all of the people who have grown to love this version of Jimmy? Please, just give me one logical reason and not that rubbish about him being too old for the role. What tosh!

[gilliang]

[mod edit]



Anti-climactic usually doesnt equal awesome. But hey. To each his own.

Plus Michael didnt even put in effort with acting towards the end of the season. He just wanted out.

*hits the report button on you*

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Dear PS,

What you've done tonight can't be described accurately in words. No, not because it was great but because it was quite possibly the worst episode of Smallville ever. So, congratulations on that one. Well done.

You've managed to enrage 98% of the fandom, quite an accomplishment.

Killing Jimmy Olsen? Really? Unecessary, and don't expect the fandom to just "go with the flow" and pretend that he wasn't really THE Jimmy Olsen. It was a cop-out and, even more disturbing, so utterly and entirely disrespectful to Aaron Ashmore that it literally sickens me to my core. That is no way to treat anybody.

However, the most disappointing thing about this finale is Chloe. Why do you feel the need to make her a saint when she should be paying for her sins? In the span of five seconds, you pull a major retcon of sorts and have Jimmy professing his undying love for her and telling her that SHE is a bigger hero than CLARK? Really? Chloe Sullivan is a bigger hero than Clark Kent? Someone who killed a man in cold blood, protected a serial killer, sided with everyone besides her husband, lied numerous, numerous times to everyone and is responsible for all the death and destruction in Doomsday? That is a horrible, horrible message you're sending out to viewers. You're telling the world 'Hey, you can do horrible, horrible things in life and never pay for your actions or suffer any consequences'.

Finally, thanks for lying to all of us Clois fans and Matt Mitovich, himself, about there being awesome Clois moments in the finale and "all being forgiven" after that horrible Lana arc, which still makes me shudder. All is not forgiven, not by a long shot.

Better get to work on S9 and please, make sure this one doesn't suck as much as the second half of S8 did.

Shame on you for Doomsday. Shame on you.

[Krypto~Luan]

WHy? I was being honest. Dont hit report because you dont agree with someone. Its not fair.

To each his own means everyone has a right to disagree with someone else and hold their opinion

[Nitrous]

You know you guys can say what you want about Al & Miles, but at least they knew how to create a story line, keep it interesting, keep everyone in-character (most of the time anyway), and then make sure to wrap it all up nicely in the season finale

The current writers can't do this to save their lives. This episodes was ALL OVER the place! Instead of wrapping things up nicely, they just threw a bunch of different storylines into one episode, took people completely out of character just for shock value (Davis killing Jimmy was ridiculous, as was Clark walking out on Chloe), and didn't really tie up any loose ends (that can't seriously be the end of Doomsday, just like that...). We basically ended up with an episode where a bunch of random [mod edit] happened just for the sake of entertainment, without much of it really making any sense.

Al and Miles and their problems, but at least the show made sense and there was a logical progression to the plot. This show really needs to end next season...

[gilliang]

WHy? I was being honest. Dont hit report because you dont agree with someone. Its not fair.

Don't assume you know why I did what I did. I did it because of the way you were speaking in your post. You're hoping to cause problems. Plain and simple.

[Krypto~Luan]

Don't assume you know why I did what I did. I did it because of the way you were speaking in your post. You're hoping to cause problems. Plain and simple.

No. I was just disagreing with you.

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You know you guys can say what you want about Al & Miles, but at least they knew how to create a story line, keep it interesting, keep everyone in-character (most of the time anyway), and then make sure to wrap it all up nicely in the season finale

The current writers can't do this to save their lives. This episodes was ALL OVER the place! Instead of wrapping things up nicely, they just threw a bunch of different storylines into one episode, took people completely out of character just for shock value (Davis killing Jimmy was ridiculous, as was Clark walking out on Chloe), and didn't really tie up any loose ends (that can't seriously be the end of Doomsday, just like that...). We basically ended up with an episode where a bunch of random **** happened just for the sake of entertainment, without much of it really making any sense.

Al and Miles and their problems, but at least the show made sense and there was a logical progression to the plot. This show really needs to end next season...

I feel like they lost their touch towards the end. But i really have to thank them for carrying the show this far. I stayed with them I'll stay with them till the end

[Mrs. Superman]

They killed off one of my favorite characters and pulled a switcheroo out of the blue. I think Jimmy fans are completely entitled to complain.

And so does anyone else who hated this episode. It was horrible.

[Krypto~Luan]

They killed off one of my favorite characters and pulled a switcheroo out of the blue. I think Jimmy fans are completely entitled to complain.

And so does anyone else who hated this episode. It was horrible.

I thoguht that switcharooo was not appropriate. I would have kept it as if the real jimmy died. the other re write i could have gone with but this was annoying.

[Nitrous]

I feel like they lost their touch towards the end. But i really have to thank them for carrying the show this far. I stayed with them I'll stay with them till the end

I agree that after season 5, the show started losing it's charm (maybe even during season 5). However, even season 7 made A LOT more sense than the second half of this season did. Episodes 1 - 11 showed a lot of potential, but once we got to kryptonite infused Lana and beyond, it started to get ridiculous and never truly recovered. I was hoping the finale would tie everything up and allow season 9 to have some potential, but that was definitely not on the writers agenda.

[Mrs. Superman]

I thoguht that switcharooo was not appropriate. I would have kept it as if the real jimmy died. the other re write i could have gone with but this was annoying.
I just wish they would have introduced his character as Henry from the beginning, if this was the plan all along. I wouldnt have liked it, but I would have accepted it. This, however, just screamed of killing JO simply for the shock factor.

[Lilah]

Dear Writers,

We have to watch the show, how about writing episodes we might actually enjoy...

Lilah

[Krypto~Luan]

I agree that after season 5, the show started losing it's charm (maybe even during season 5). However, even season 7 made A LOT more sense than the second half of this season did. Episodes 1 - 11 showed a lot of potential, but once we got to kryptonite infused Lana and beyond, it started to get ridiculous and never truly recovered. I was hoping the finale would tie everything up and allow season 9 to have some potential, but that was definitely not on the writers agenda.

I just wanted the lana days over. Then i was happy again. I think theyu will do what they can to make as many fans as they can happy. so i say everyone should have faith

[Mrs. Superman]

Dear Writers,

We have to watch the show, how about writing episodes we might actually enjoy...

Lilah
:rotfl: SOOOO TRUE!

[Krypto~Luan]

I just wish they would have introduced his character as Henry from the beginning, if this was the plan all along. I wouldnt have liked it, but I would have accepted it. This, however, just screamed of killing JO simply for the shock factor.

Very true. That was my only gripe was the grand hat trick at the end.
I would have accepted this;

JImmy is jimmy, and jimmy is dead.

Jimmy is jimmy, the little boy is henry and create a new "mythos" with henry olsen photographer of the daily planet.

By the way, did it seem like Chloe didnt know who Jimmy's side of the family was.?

[Kschreck]

They killed off one of my favorite characters and pulled a switcheroo out of the blue. I think Jimmy fans are completely entitled to complain.

And so does anyone else who hated this episode. It was horrible.


I agree. I don't think I have ever seen such horrible script writing on any television show and I'm not even exaggerating. It's bad enough to retcon events but man characters that have been on the show for five seasons? Then they took it to the next level by regressing almost every other character. Every character was written poorly. Everyone is emo, murdering people, popping pills, etc. Even the days of Lana Lang were better.

And what's this about Tess possibly firing Lois from the Daily Planet and apparently Clark Kent killing off his human emotions and what not? Does that mean he will leave the Daily Planet to? How is emo Clark suppose to ever start dating Lois Lane if he is going to go emo next season? Everything is being regressed and destroyed. :(

[Nitrous]

I'm apparently missing something because I don't know much about the mythos, but who is Henry?

[Krypto~Luan]

I'm apparently missing something because I don't know much about the mythos, but who is Henry?

i dont know either. But.. i just think it was innapropriate

[VisionGirl]

I agree. I don't think I have ever seen such horrible script writing on any television show and I'm not even exaggerating. It's bad enough to retcon events but man characters that have been on the show for five seasons? Then they took it to the next level by regressing almost every other character. Every character was written poorly. Everyone is emo, murdering people, popping pills, etc. Even the days of Lana Lang were better.

And what's this about Tess possibly firing Lois from the Daily Planet and apparently Clark Kent killing off his human emotions and what not? Does that mean he will leave the Daily Planet to? How is emo Clark suppose to ever start dating Lois Lane if he is going to go emo next season? Everything is being regressed and destroyed. :(

Well, I suppose we can take small comfort in the fact that there is zero continuity in this show and after the premiere it'll be back to the status quo.

Of course the status quo is Chloe's the hero, Lois has zero screen time, and Clark is a tool bag.

[Mrs. Superman]

Very true. That was my only gripe was the grand hat trick at the end.
I would have accepted this;

JImmy is jimmy, and jimmy is dead.

Jimmy is jimmy, the little boy is henry and create a new "mythos" with henry olsen photographer of the daily planet.

By the way, did it seem like Chloe didnt know who Jimmy's side of the family was.?
It sure seemed like she didnt know them, but I'm sure she met them sometime in offscreenville. Its a shame his family couldnt attend his wedding.

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I'm apparently missing something because I don't know much about the mythos, but who is Henry?
There is no Henry. He was made up so that PS could retcon Smallville's Jimmy and spin it as a "clever twist". Pathetic and yet those two are gonna be heading this show next year. That is a scary thought indeed.

[Kschreck]

Well, I suppose we can take small comfort in the fact that there is zero continuity in this show and after the premiere it'll be back to the status quo.

Of course the status quo is Chloe's the hero, Lois has zero screen time, and Clark is a tool bag.


Yup except it "looks" like Lois might lose her job at the Planet, Clark regresses, quits the planet and never dates Lois because he is emo and apparently his human emotions are evil. Just so they can keep the show running, if we prey hard enough, maybe we can catch up again with Lois and Clark working at the Daily Planet again. We might earn back what we lost this season YAY! [SARCASM]

[Brainy Pirate]

I agree. I don't think I have ever seen such horrible script writing on any television show and I'm not even exaggerating.

I agree, and not just because the characters acted out of character, and not just because they pulled an unnecessary retcon of a perfectly good character (Jimmy), and not just because they didn't deliver the promised fight scene, and not just because they didn't deliver the promised "Clark-Lois" moment.

The script flat-out made no sense. There was no connection between the scenes, and some of the most important events took place offscreen.

Here's what bothers me:

Rokk's prophecy didn't come true, but I can't see any good reason why it didn't. Why even bring him on the show?

The JLA didn't do ANYTHING onscreen -- the entire sum of their fight scenes was Ollie shooting an arrow into Clark. Why even bring them on? Plus, how did they capture Davis? Why did they tie him up with nothing but plastic? What did they do with him and Chloe in the 15 seconds it took Clark to get there? Why didn't DD kill them when he was split? Why are they said to be MIA when they were at the funeral? Why was Ollie crying over Jimmy?

What happened to Jimmy's drug addiction? How was he able to afford the rent on this loft when he couldn't afford money for drugs or his car? How in the world is that he had yelled at Chloe for hiding things, but never revealed to her that he has a brother with whom he shares a name?

And why didn't DD kill Davis? Why did Davis, who had been a good-guy (EMT) all season, go psycho on JIMMY because Chloe was talking about CLARK? And what happened to his body after he and Jimmy died?

If Tess was able to track Davis, why wasn't she doing so? And why would she think that LOIS of all people would be the most likely suspect to explode her vault from the inside? Wouldn't Clark and Davis be more likely? Or even Oliver, given his sudden appearance in her bed in the previous ep?

And why do Lois and Jimmy watch that video of Tess terrorizing Lex's previous assistant, if that information doesn't go anywhere with them? And why does Lois not wonder how Clark vanished out of the room when she had just looked at him 2 seconds earlier?

Forget Jimmy not being Jimmy any more. Nothing adds up in this script!

Oh, AND we don't get the promised fight scene. And we don't get the Clark-Lois moment. And Clark continues to act like Bruce Wayne by choosing to abandon his real life for his super-life, even though (as others have pointed out) he credited Chloe with teaching him otherwise just one episode back!

Given all this confusion, the decision to needlessly retcon Jimmy actually was the only thing in the ep that made sense!

[dijonaise]

i just had to get that off my chest. i mean...CMON! i've invested so much time in this damn show just hoping beyond hope that it would get better. i thought that this finale was set up to possibly send a jolt of electricity into the writing for the coming season, but all it did was fuel my spark of anger and disappointment.

THIS WAS A JOKE! thanks alot, writers, for making me feel like i've wasted eight years.

-dijonaise

[Einhauen]

Darren Swimmer and Todd Slavkin. Smallville was awesome when they were around! I was actually on the edge of my seat when they were in charge. Then they left for Melrose Place and season eight became another season where it was great in the beginning then it spirals down a bit during the end.

[RaniaLovesClois]

I hate you too!!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

[dijonaise]

Darren Swimmer and Todd Slavkin. Smallville was awesome when they were around! I was actually on the edge of my seat when they were in charge. Then they left for Melrose Place and season eight became another season where it was great in the beginning then it spirals down a bit during the end.

yup

[Joelito]

Wow, seems that "doomsday" was a "doom"..yeah, I hate the season 8th, overall.

[Hopefulsuicide]

Can't believe they actually get paid money to come up with this stuff!

[rednight]

since im sure the producers are going around checking to see if people liked the finale i want to come here and express my wishes for the future of this show. first of all this season 8 finale was the WORST FINALE IN THE HISTORY OF SMALLVLLE. it made no sense what so ever. you hype up a Clark/Doomsday fight the entire season and give us a 2 minute fight where CLARK DOESN'T EVEN THROW A PUNCH. if you are going to hype up things like this then please do it right when the time comes to conclude the story. by giving us this lackluster fight if you can even call it a fight you discredit the rest of the season because it seems as if this season was done for nothing. all that happened was building up for this crucial moment in the finale and you guys did not deliver at all. i have been watching Smallville since Season 1 and am a huge superman fan but if you are going to continue teasing fans like you did where we thought Clark was going to fly a couple of episodes ago and didn't and have Clark say its time to grab hold of his destiny then he doesn't then i am done with this show for good. i can understand an angst ridden Clark in the earlier seasons but i want to see superMAN not superBOY.

[dijonaise]

Can't believe they actually get paid money to come up with this stuff!

obviously, they don't get paid enough. maybe that's it - maybe they're just upset about their small salaries, and want to take it out on us.

although, MAYYYYBE their salaires would be more up to par if they could actually write something better that complete sh*t.

[Hopefulsuicide]

ah, the one thing Superman cannot fight because he cannot understand... GREED!

(he says it in an episode of LnC :lol:)

[Ilovebeinglost]

It was doomsday alright, for Smallville.

[chloisfan]

It was such a bad episode for many reasons:
1. The Clark/Doomsday fight, that was much anticipated was very weak.
2. No good Clois sparks
3. They worked us up on Chloe and Davis and Davis turned out to be a monster.
4. Jimmy and Davis are dead!

[Clana Kent]

I liked this episode! I thought it was well written and acted!

The Tess/Lois fight and conversation was incredibly good.
The Doomsday fight was awesome (though a bit short)
Jimmy and Chloe had a normal talk and I loved them again in this episode. Also liked Jimmy a lot here! Oh, did I say Jimmy? I meant Henry James (or something) :p

I'm gonna do a couple of rewatches, loved it :)

[duskwillow]

I support this thread.
Smallville doesn't even need new villain every season, we have the writers. They manage to get the job done.

[Cujo]

It was doomsday alright, for Smallville.

Agreed. I have no need to watch the next season. This season was pretty much terrible. They hint at Doomsday, line up the whole season around it and we hit the finale and what?

*One punch, two punch, send Clark into building, grab Doomsday super jump to geothermal plant, explosions... and... suddenly we're at "Jimmy's" funeral?*

Oh by the way, did you know the Henry James Olsen had a little brother? Yeah, neither did Chloe. At least she never met him... I mean why would he be at his brother's wedding and all?

Lois jumped to the future? Raise your hand if you give 2 shits.

Yes he's back
Back again
Zod is back, tell a friend... or don't. Haven't we already been through the whole Zod thing?

The whole finale stinks of lazy and unimaginative writing. The fans/audience got more punches in the face in that finale than Clark did.

[wafflles87]

I hate the idiots too.

I can NOT wait to see their comments about the finale, and see how the crowd will react to them at Comicon (if they still have the guts to go)

[Jigga]

I'm always disappointed by the questions at comicon. They always seem to be so star struck that they end up asking questions like "What did you have for breakfast this morning?"

[Hopefulsuicide]

I hate the idiots too.

I can NOT wait to see their comments about the finale, and see how the crowd will react to them at Comicon (if they still have the guts to go)

Will they all be there? Where is it? *fills bag with rotten tomatoes* :p

[wafflles87]

Will they all be there? Where is it? *fills bag with rotten tomatoes* :p

I dunno, but I'm getting ready just in case

~cleans rifle~ :lol:

[crisprock01]

Chloe wouldn't have known about jimmy's little brother because earlier in the season jimmy didn't want to have a big family wedding. I was surprised to even see his family there, because henry james made it sound like he didn't get along with them at all.

[boywithbluehanger]

What a crappy finale...I'm mad at how pathetically desperate the CW is for keeping Smallville beyond last season. It should have been written to end before deciding to "kill" Lex off last season.

The stories have actually managed to become less logical. And just when you feel that the storylines couldn't be worse, even the scripting feels forced.

I'm going to start calling this Smallville Lite. The feel good muliti-genre show has long gone.

[luthorian]

I hate them too :mad:

[gardenia]

oh the feeling is mutual about them....

[Hopefulsuicide]

I dunno, but I'm getting ready just in case

~cleans rifle~ :lol:

:rotfl:

I almost put gun... but then i got cold feet about making death threats :lol:

Perhaps my tomatoes will have hidden grenades in them!

[Smallvillefan025]

Way to ruin the show!!!

[Alicia Chipy]

I'm all about second chances,but they really blew it to hell this time.

[Iluvgreen]

Hello! Clark is going to go train with Jor-el now.... and come back as Superman! It was awsome!

[JuniorV]

Bring back Kara (even though Laura will be on V)

[natbug]

They killed this version of Jimmy because WE COMPLAINED ABOUT HIM. Then, they fix it, and WE CRY FOUL.

This was AN AWESOME FINALE and SET-UP FOR SUPERMAN. Never before has a finale shown SUCH PROMISE for AN AMAZING, Superman filled Season.

When the spoilers for S9 start coming in, I seriously hope all of you complainers remember you owe the producers a big fat, superman-size apology.

Ditto to you and ditto to Timster, too.:)

For some reason George Orwell's, 1984, popped into my head while reading some of the posts. Wasn't it in this novel where it is announced that the new chocolate ration will be increased from the previous chocolate ration (even though the previous ration was larger?) It just feels like Newspeak to me (I read this book around 1980, so I might not remember it correctly.):\

[Spirit Detective]

WORST season finale ever...UGH!!!!!

I loved Jimmy and now I find out he's not the real Jimmy! What a cop out. You changed enough with the mythology already, was JO's age really that big of a deal? DO you honestly feel THAT was the biggest thing you had to fix, to make it more like the mythos? EPIC FAIL. :mad:

That sums it up perfectly.

[TheEradicator]

I completely agree with all that's been said other posters here have pointed out that it's funny because the fans can never make up their mind. Because when Smallville goes away from mythos everyone cries foul. When they move towards the mythos, albeit half contrived and not very believably, people still cry foul. So I got an idea which lead me to register and post on this board. Let us, the fans, write some stuff! Feel free to either rewrite some episodes of this season or new ones to come. Personally I wrote this while bored at work this morning because I thought the fight could have been soooo much better: http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127554. I don't claim to be a hollywood writer so just take it for what it's worth but I'd be interested to see other people's thought and stories! The mythos is always changing and I love reading this shows and others on this board, like supernatural, fan made goodness!

[Minamostaza]

If this is the way to line up with the mythos then they had the guts to write this episode. What i won't buy it's that Davis was more beast without Doomsday, that's just odd and unfair. Davis Bloome was a great character trying to get rid of the beast and be good, but with last night's episode...God, it's just so unfair.

[Selina]

Well done PS, well done... (Yes, I am being sarcastic).

This episode made Requiem and Power seem good. It takes alot for me to say something like that.

First of, do you have any respect for AA? He portrayed Jimmy wonderfully over the last three years and all of a sudden, like that, you're going to take it away from him, make out that it's all for nothing? And what about the fans? Those that actually watch the show. Did you not think about how they would feel. Honestly, when rumours were circulating this board about Jimmy possibly dying I was very quick to say that, there is no way they'd kill of iconic Jimmy Olsen. However you did. I'm sorry his little brother doesn't cut it. We were pressented with Jimmy Olsen over 3 years, not some fake imitation. What next? Are we going to find out that Lois is not really Lois? Lex wasn't Lex (that would fix your Rossenbaum not returning problem), that Clark's not really Clark at the end of the show. Will you pull a Dallas on us and it was all a dream?

As for Doomsday and Clark fight that was poor. The whole season has been leading up to that moment, yet the sudden fight between Tess and Lois came of alot better.

And then you have Clois. Please in the future, dont make promises you cant keep. In other words, please dont comment on these big moments they're going to share, only for them to not have them.

[Kal26]

Not to mention, how old is Clark right now? By the time Jimmy's brother is old enough to work at the planet Clark and Lois will be like 40.

[boywithbluehanger]

I completely agree with all that's been said other posters here have pointed out that it's funny because the fans can never make up their mind. Because when Smallville goes away from mythos everyone cries foul.

Oddly, I think you've expressed why us fans have made up our minds. (Since probably around the end of Season 4 to be exact)

Like you said:

When they move towards the mythos, albeit half contrived and not very believably, people still cry foul.

We don't mind a fresh story as long as they contain similar elements and most of all, the characters remain the same.

Notice that out of this season finale's debacle, most of the negativity is pointed towards the death of Jimmy Olsen and NOT the way they chose to "half assedly" put together the plot.

[WalterK]

This was probably the stupidest Smallville finale I have ever seen. I don't think killing off Jimmy took "guts", the character was messed up and not needed. "guts" would have been giving an honest explanation instead of the B.S. about the "real Jimmy Olsen".

Rokk tells Clark he is going to die, gives Clark a ring, which doesn't change anything, and Clark doesn't die. WTF! Rokk should have taken care of Doomsday himself. Also, Clark's plan to split Davis/Doomsday was quite reasonable. It was ridiculous to have Oliver be against it - artificial conflict between Oliver and Clark.

The fight between Clark and Doomsday wasn't much of a fight.

The metaphorical death of Clark Kent is just Clark aquiring his new power of SUPER MOPING AROUND, haven't we had enough of that the past 8 years!

Deeply disappointing. Well, not really. These are the same people who thought the SuperLana arc was a great idea.

[Starscream]

The problem with Smallville is that they always give you these little sparks of greatness that the writers never follow up on! Man..Season nine is going to be more of the same with self-deprecating Clark,kryptonian artifacts galore,body swaps,no flights,and relationship issues.I've always been a Huge fan of Smallville ,but I think it's time to put this show out of it's misery! Unless they get Geoff Johns to write all the episodes!!!:)

[dijonaise]

since im sure the producers are going around checking to see if people liked the finale i want to come here and express my wishes for the future of this show. first of all this season 8 finale was the WORST FINALE IN THE HISTORY OF SMALLVLLE. it made no sense what so ever. you hype up a Clark/Doomsday fight the entire season and give us a 2 minute fight where CLARK DOESN'T EVEN THROW A PUNCH. if you are going to hype up things like this then please do it right when the time comes to conclude the story. by giving us this lackluster fight if you can even call it a fight you discredit the rest of the season because it seems as if this season was done for nothing. all that happened was building up for this crucial moment in the finale and you guys did not deliver at all. i have been watching Smallville since Season 1 and am a huge superman fan but if you are going to continue teasing fans like you did where we thought Clark was going to fly a couple of episodes ago and didn't and have Clark say its time to grab hold of his destiny then he doesn't then i am done with this show for good. i can understand an angst ridden Clark in the earlier seasons but i want to see superMAN not superBOY.


u said it!

[Selina]

This was probably the stupidest Smallville finale I have ever seen. I don't think killing off Jimmy took "guts", the character was messed up and not needed. "guts" would have been giving an honest explanation instead of the B.S. about the "real Jimmy Olsen".


Yup! I found their method more cowardly than anything. It was a cop out decision in order for Clark to live with regret next season (yawn). Someone had to the scapegoat and unfortunatly it was Jimmy. AA deserves a hell of a lot more than this.

I really thought the PS were different. They started the season of so well. Lana was gone and Clark was finally progressing into a man. He had a job at the DP and the relationship between him and Lois was developing nicely. Even the Davis/Chloe story was going at a nice natural pace which made decent viewing. However, half way through the season it all went pair shaped. Lana returned and we had those god forsaken awful episodes, Power and Requiem which regressed Clark nearly beyond repair. Then we had Chloe putting her feelings for ER medic over her own husband whom she just married. Then she runs of with him. We have Clark let Chloe convince him that he'd live with regret if she sent him to the PZ (what utter BS!). Lois Lane is hardly seen, Jimmy becomes a drug addict. The real punch in the stomach was of course the finally when we learned that Jimmy Olsen was a farce over the last three years.

It appears that my initial option of PS was largley misguided. I've learned now and have very little respect for them. It's no surprise that ratings are what they are. Unfortunatly they've proven to me that they're no better than Al/Miles.

[Ginx]

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[sithius]

I sincerely doubt anyone of any decent position at SV will read this but I'd like to hear other peoples thoughts on it anyway.

The problem with Smallville, is that when they get two super powered beings together, they make it so that every thrown punch or kick results in the one receiving it flying through the air, and usually through a couple of brick walls.

This doesn't need to be the case at all! In the comics, when Doomsday arrives and Superman appears, he stands before him and lets DD punch him square on in the stomach. Does he go flying back through the air a thousand feet? Not at all. He stands there, and realizes this thing is strong.

Throughout the fight punches are thrown, but they do not go flying through the air with every single bit of contact. If I punched someone in the face, and they were prepared for it, they would not fly to the side, through the air, and to the ground/into a wall. The same applies here. Both Clark and DD have similar strength levels, which means when DD hit him that Clark should not have flown through a restaurant and out into a wall. He should have just stood there or fallen to the ground.

Why am I making such a big deal over this? Because it's costing them so much of their budget by having these super 'fly through the air 100mph' stunts all the time. There is no need for it! If they just had them fight like Tess and Lois did, that would be both more believable and we would get one heck of an awesome fight. Throw a few shock waves in and sound effects, maybe slow a scene or two down and you're left with spending the same amount of money but increasing the length of the scene to a good 15 minute fight.

Thoughts?

[TheEradicator]

Haha, wow my thoughts exactly. I'm glad to see someone else realizes that the budget issues don't always hold back the show sometimes it's just easy work arounds like this. In fact it urked me so much that I wrote an entire new fight scene with DD in the fan fic section and it didn't require one single extra special effect. It just had them, I don't know, ACTUALLY fighting.

Also, the most IMPORTANT element is missing. I know they gave away the whole "put DD in the center of the earth" thing but they could at least played with the idea of him actually dying instead. They easily could have DD beat him up a little bit and find a way at the last minute to have Clark get out of it and super jump to the geothermal plant. It's not that hard to conceive.

[Kevin24]

Yeah I agree the fights are not always up to the level I wish for them to be.

[Vindellavon]

Dear PS2,

Your lame cop-outs are getting annoying. Do yourselves and the rest of the fans a favor, and stop trying to 'line' with mythos, when you're actually kicking it across the border. Try again, luvs, that was the lamest excuse for an episode in the history of television.

[SpitCurl]

Producers need to make up their minds. It's not the fans who are schizo about mythos/no mythos, it's the show-runners. Pick a narrative and stick with it. First it was about telling the story we didn't know and aligning it w/the mythos, then the show was a AU or else-world sort of/kinda/thingy, and now it's aligning itself again.

This is what causes bad writing. Sorry you felt you were backed into a corner because you really did want it to align, but your predecessors didn't. You knew what direction the show had taken. You understood what it would mean to change it, namely, retconning the everloving s%&t out of it. This doesn't make for good story-telling.

I would've been ok w/allowing the show to take it's own course. As I said before, I was genuinely curious where it would end up. It was becoming a trainwreck from week-to-week, but it was a fascinating trainwreck. Now I feel like it's going to be a predictable and upsetting trainwreck, because instead of letting it all out there and saying "screw it, else-world here we come!" now I'll have to watch them slowly undo everything that's come before, making all my time spend watching and/or reading up on the show meaningless. It'll all be changed in the end for the sake of "alignment".

[doomsday1215]

but do you guys think that they (Souders and Peterson) know that we are extremely disappointed at the finale?

[Boycott SF:Movie]

but do you guys think that they (Souders and Peterson) know that we are extremely disappointed at the finale?
Lets just watch the opener online to show em.

[Batmike]

Hey,

So, I just watched "Doomsday" tonight. Kind of expected it to be epic and discovered, much like all of you, that is was the very opposite.

Let's face it: the season started out awesome because Clark was embracing his Super-persona AND hangin' with Lois all kinds. Lots of love, there, and people were diggin' it.

They mess that up by throwin' Lana in there and we all get a little peeved about it, but good fans as we are, we decide to hold on. They wrap up the Clana arc and get rid of that for good and get Clark back on track, so we're back to bein' loyal. Things are lookin' up and it's gravy.

But then they throw in some Chloe-drama and make a Beauty and the Beast scenario that's just beyond ridiculous. But we still hang on. There's promise at the end of the tunnel. An epic battle, all things explained, and some deaths that'll shatter our very core!

Sounds exciting!

So, like all of you, I expected an awesome face-off (likely to end the episode with a big question mark), a heart-to-heart between Lois and Clark FACE-TO-FACE, and Chloe to die.

Now, don't get me wrong, I didn't want Chloe to die at all. Nah, I like her okay. Allison is super cute and I dig her best friend character.

It would have been devastating to most of us for Chloe to die, but at the same time, we ALL would have been okay with it. Yea, we would be sad. And it'd suck to see Alli go, but let's face it, she's the only gal that doesn't belong here.

Now, I've read most of the posts and subsequent responses on here, so I'm not about to re-iterate all that's been said. You can assume I agree with any of the problems you guys had, because I probably do. After all, there is a long list of very obvious problems with this episode, so let me try and break it down very succinctly:

- We don't like that Jimmy wasn't the "real" Jimmy. That was dumb.
- Lois disappearing was stupid and she deserved more screen-time.
- Clark needs to not be guilty and abandon his trademark human side.
- Chloe NEEDS to feel guilty.

I think those are the core issues.

But what can we do? We're just the fans, right?!

Well, as far as I'm concerned, the Producers have arranged for 9 to be their last season. At this very moment, I guarantee, and you can likely agree, that their fan base is shaky at best. Most of us aren't really interested in returning, so their ratings are doomed to suffer. In effect, "Doomsday" signaled the beginning of smallville's literal DOOM.

But the new season hasn't been made yet, so let's do something about it.

I've worked on TV shows before, and I can tell you I regularly read blogs online to follow fans. I wanted to know what people were sayin'.
That's very clearly what they did for this episode and very clearly why Chloe is still breathing.

I can almost guarantee to you that someone who works on the show in SOME capacity reads this forum. So let's talk to them directly.

Let's just do it this way. Let's lay it out there. Tell them what they need to know. Vote on any of the following three options:

A) I don't mind what you've done, and I will keep watching until the end.
B) If the premiere of Season 9 isn't awesome, I am done with this show.*
C) "Doomsday" killed this show for me, and I will not be tuning into next season.


*Dear Producers, if you want Season 9 to work, take the time to really consider the core of what fans are asking for and what they desire. Take this time to reconsider and address as much of the backlash and disfavour this episode, "Doomsday", has recieved, and implement a solution into the Season 9 premiere so that we can all feel satisfied instead of disheartened by the show's progression.

[devilneedsaride]

How about A and a half? I do mind what you're doing with the show, it's taken a real dive in quality, but I'll watch just about anything that's on TV, so season 9 is most likely a go.

[Clana Kent]

- We don't like that Jimmy wasn't the "real" Jimmy. That was dumb.
It was the perfect way for them to make Jimmy younger, so to speak. It was quite smart actually.


- Lois disappearing was stupid and she deserved more screen-time.
What exactly was stupid about?
In the seasons 4,6 and 7, Lois didn't have a cliffhanger in the end AT ALL, so you should be glad she had one now!
And I think it's pretty cool that they did this with the character! Makes you wonder where she went and something to speculate about ;)

[The_Promise]

I agree about somewhere between A and B, I hated Doomsday but I can't just stop watching Smallville, it's been in my life for 8 years now, I'm commited. I want to like it again, I REALLY do, so I hope that Smallville's Season 9 is alot better and very worth it.

There's alot of work, mending and healing that needs to be done on the show and if it's not done by Season 9...I honestly dunno what I'll do.

[hero`s passion]

I liked the epi- what I don`t like - it`s spoilers and producers promises about "big Clois moment" , if I didn`t know about it- I wouldn`t be disappoint at all, because for me this epi was well done:

1. Good actors work

2. Fast fight (I know that I maybe the one here, who think that long fight in 40 minutes show would not helping the scenario of the episode)

3. Surprising turn of the storyline

4. Last man I expected to die was Jimmy(not that I was happy, I will miss AA Jimmy, but it`s right thing- Jimmy should be young)

and the last thing it was interesting to watch...that`s makes a good episode for me...

I just afraid that if there won`t be real Jimmy, it won`t be real Perry and it won`t be Clois in SV....:(((

[ZODisGOD]

C.


I rewatched the whole episode again and I'm even more angrier than the first two times. I'm officially cutting Smallville out of my life after seeing that garbage they call a season finale(Doomsday). Souders and Peterson can bend over and kiss my ass because I am no longer a fan. I've now broken free of this curse they call Smallville. My only hope for this show is a cancellation and a painful death. My one regret in my life was wasting my time with this sorry excuse for a TV show in the first place. I now see why most of the world say Smallville sucks. I'm sorry it took me this long to realize it.

Farewell


ZODisGOD

[Dominicus]

It was the perfect way for them to make Jimmy younger, so to speak. It was quite smart actually.


What exactly was stupid about?
In the seasons 4,6 and 7, Lois didn't have a cliffhanger in the end AT ALL, so you should be glad she had one now!
And I think it's pretty cool that they did this with the character! Makes you wonder where she went and something to speculate about ;)The lack of screen-time, more was promise because ED lost one her contractual episodes. They built up the base saying all would be forgiven in the finale, plus Clois, etc.

And if those goofs read forums, then they should check the ratings and which episodes tanked, and tanked because of specifics episodes. Listen to those with rationale, read the reviews for the episodes, and/or the open letter to PS3 an this would've been prevented.

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It was the perfect way for them to make Jimmy younger, so to speak. It was quite smart actually.
No it wasn't, beyond insulting. We joked about this scenario because of it's juvenile absurdness. And because he's already been established to be in fact the Iconic Jimmy, by the producers themselves in previous statements, and you are in the rare on that opinion of it being smart. Because if anything, it lacked intelligence. You think DC's going to gripe about Jimmy's age, yet in the same season Clark and Lana have super-sex, Clark doesn't wear glasses, Lex was murdered by Oliver Queen, Dooms has a human side, all before ever becoming superman. Chloe's taking over the show, and justice league, and yet Jimmy's age is the more important discrepancy, sell that garbage to the hobo who came up with Henry James Olsen.:p:lol:

[Clana Kent]

The lack of screen-time, more was promise because ED lost one her contractual episodes. They built up the base saying all would be forgiven in the finale, plus Clois, etc.

And if those goofs read forums, then they should check the ratings and which episodes tanked, and tanked because of specifics episodes. Listen to those with rationale, read the reviews for the episodes, and/or the open letter to PS3 an this would've been prevented.
Well, Clois got that moment. If I'd liked Clois, I would've loved that scene! Lois was so good in that scene! (Even) I liked it!

And Lois had quite a few scenes! Not long ones, but definetely good ones!
The catfight, with Jimmy in Tess' office, with Clark at the DP and with the RBB at the DP.

Besides, if they would've needed Lois in more episodes, they COULD'VE used her, but they simply didn't need them (apparently). I'm wondering what you'd rather see, Lois in full 22, so she'll be added to stories she doesn't belong in (like Chloe sometimes) or would you rather see her in 13 episodes and have a major part in those episodes?

[Dominicus]

Well, Clois got that moment. If I'd liked Clois, I would've loved that scene! Lois was so good in that scene! (Even) I liked it!

And Lois had quite a few scenes! Not long ones, but definetely good ones!
The catfight, with Jimmy in Tess' office, with Clark at the DP and with the RBB at the DP.

Besides, if they would've needed Lois in more episodes, they COULD'VE used her, but they simply didn't need them (apparently). I'm wondering what you'd rather see, Lois in full 22, so she'll be added to stories she doesn't belong in (like Chloe sometimes) or would you rather see her in 13 episodes and have a major part in those episodes?

[mod edit] You don't know what was promised, but it was far more then that. I guartentee if it was done to Lana your tune would change drastically. [mod edit] made this known that this wasn't acceptable, even by non-clois fans. And this is the tip of the ice-berg. Davis's character was ruin, Chloe's character light-switched, and they not only killed Jimmy, but took away his identity. Now to understand that lets take Lana, lets say all these years she was one of Lex's clone and the real Lana died in seasons 6/7

[smallvillerocks45]

I'm sad that Aaron Ashmore, I was quite surprised - shocked even - to learn that his iconic status had been realigned with someone else, and sure I expected more to come from the Clark/Doomsday fight, but really I'm not upset. I was deeply moved by this episode. It was a huge moment in Clark's life, it will affect him forever, and in the long run it will help make him Superman. I just can't see that as a bad thing.

I understand why some people are angry, I really do, but I've always carried a "come what may" attitude about this show - and short of the producers replacing Tom Welling for another actor - I don't think there's much they could do to make me to stop watching. I'm waiting anxiously for season 9, and I just hope there are enough fans who will stick around to make for a thriving KSite to come back to after each episode.

[wafflles87]

I'm going for B myself.

The premiere is the last chance I give them of convincing me to watch the show. If the premiere is bad... no, scratch that. If the premiere is anything short of brilliant, I'm done with this show.

[skully]

TPTB don't always get it right, and it's fair to say that the past two Finale's haven't been a patch on previous versions e.g Covenant, Commencement and Phantom. However I thought Doomsday was well acted and, in the main, fairly tightly written.

Obviously the lack of a major fight scene was disappointing. I can't say the Jimmy death surprised or necessarily disappointed me. It was kinda neat to let Jimmy know Clark's secret and then align his age with mythos via his little brother (although I can understand a lot of fans disappointment).

Thanks for the memories AA, we will miss you.

It certainly wasn't, IMHO, a bad episode, just a slightly disappointing Finale. It didn't really have any massive cliffhangers. We know Lois will surely be found and returned to the present time. But I am interested to see what the symbolic "disappearance" of Clark Kent (as he walked out of the Watchtower) really pans out to mean.

I will continue to watch the show and have faith that PS3 MkII will get it right in the S9 Premiere. I'm sure there will be plenty of excitement leading up to mid September. :)

[Selina]

Well, Clois got that moment. If I'd liked Clois, I would've loved that scene! Lois was so good in that scene! (Even) I liked it!

And Lois had quite a few scenes! Not long ones, but definetely good ones!
The catfight, with Jimmy in Tess' office, with Clark at the DP and with the RBB at the DP.

Besides, if they would've needed Lois in more episodes, they COULD'VE used her, but they simply didn't need them (apparently). I'm wondering what you'd rather see, Lois in full 22, so she'll be added to stories she doesn't belong in (like Chloe sometimes) or would you rather see her in 13 episodes and have a major part in those episodes?

It's not about Lois being in 22 episodes. It's about what we were promised and it's about what we got. You may have liked the scene from a non -Clois/Lois fan standpoint and while it was mearly nice for us, it was overhyped to say the least. Go back and read the producers and various media individuals who commented on the Cloisness of this episode and then compare it to what we got. What anti-climactic load of tosh! To be honest, I'm not really bothered with what Clois got. What I'm bothered about is what we were made to believe, what we were looking forward to, only for it to not happen. I don't like being decieved. However I've learned my lesson and next year I will take all the spoilers with a pinch of salt.

However all that said, the biggest deception was of course how they handled the demise of Jimmy Olsen. I use the word demise because I dont and never will beleive that his little brother is the real deal, no way. AA is JO. He portrayed the character, he embodied the characteristics that make JO and he is the one that's been developed as JO over the last 3 years. As a long term fan on Superman and all things connected, I have to say I feel insulted.

I also agree with the OP in some respect about Chloe. I like her and pleased she survived but what bugs me is that she will come out of this smelling like roses. Her intentions may have been honourable but look at the repurcausions? The worst for me was when she stopped Clark from sending DD to the PZ. That hacked me of no end. There was major lightswitching going on in the finale with her character and while she did not kill Jimmy or Davis, it was her actions that played an enourmous part in it.Yet who is going to carry the burden of guilt next season? Clark. Chloe will happily play watchtower while other characters will praise her actions as being selflss through self-sacrifice, not ill-informed, foolish and putting humanity at great risk.

Anyway, I'm going for option B. The season 9 premiere will be my deciding point on whether to tune in or not.

[Serynarpc]

'So, like all of you, I expected an awesome face-off (likely to end the episode with a big question mark), a heart-to-heart between Lois and Clark FACE-TO-FACE, and Chloe to die.'

Uh *raises hand* Hey, SV fan since day one, hi. I didn't expect Chloe to die. Chloe is my girl, always was, always has been.
I'll tell you right now that the day that she dies is the day that I'm off the show. This is the show of Clark becoming Superman- he's nowhere there yet, as a renewed season 9 shows us. So don't just start offing characters that aren't canon- Chloe is a part of Smallville.
She's no Lois Lane. She doesn't need to be. She's brought her own fire and ingenuity to the show.

Writers- please let her mourn Jimmy, get her powers back and hold off on alien abduction babies. If she gives birth to Davis' kid, its going to be bad. Breaking of the seals bad, mmkay.

[Dominicus]

I'm going for B myself.

The premiere is the last chance I give them of convincing me to watch the show. If the premiere is bad... no, scratch that. If the premiere is anything short of brilliant, I'm done with this show.I choose B as well, with the same sentiments, and regards. They need to make sense of the finale for one, and respect the characters. And for pete's sakes, it is a superman show, it's time to explore and focus on that character that's been thrown to the wayside. A Clark centric-sode!

[lia]

I think they did well with Doomsday episode.. I agree the fight scene was too short but I don't think it should be too long either, it is more interesting to watch the characters development. The storyline was good-interesting and surprising, so I didn't mind at all. It fits.. of course it's sad to see AA go but I didn't feel duped either. One thing seriously lacking was clois time, though!
I was especially blown away by the actors performances ! Tom Welling, Justin Hartley, Aaron Ashmore, Erica Durance, Sam Witwer, Cassidy Freeman, Allison Mack--I don't think chloe would have been kept by show this long if it was any other actrees who played her.
Season 8 rocked!
Look forward to watch a darker period in clark's life.... season 9, more clois time, please. hopefully lois will play a bigger role in clark's life in season 9

[ghaith]

Defenetly A.
The finale could have been better, a fight maybe, i was shocked to be honest with davis being bad, i really beleived he could have been better, that gave me a really good lesson on not trusting ppl blindly lol.
anyway back on topic, Smallville will end when Clark is superman, and that's when i'll stop watching, i kind of enjoy the show..

[Supsfan]

Besides, if they would've needed Lois in more episodes, they COULD'VE used her, but they simply didn't need them (apparently). I'm wondering what you'd rather see, Lois in full 22, so she'll be added to stories she doesn't belong in (like Chloe sometimes) or would you rather see her in 13 episodes and have a major part in those episodes?

Maybe they didn't need her for 22 episodes but they could have used her in more then 12. Even if Lois isn't part of the A plot, they could have given her 4-6 minutes in a few episodes, even if nothing more then a ending scene with Clark to be a sounding board for what he has to say.

Let's take an episode like Bulletproof or Power for instance. Would it have hurt having Lois and Jimmy in that episode to give us an update what's going on, even if it was only 1-2 scenes. You could have added Chloe to that scene as well(you know Jimmy's wife who had hardly anything to do with the Lana arc herself). A guy just had serious injury that they completely ignore it like it never happened for 4 fricken episodes, giving the viewer an update would have made logical sense at some point during that arc.

Beyond that you probably could fit a few Lois scenes into Abyss(her cousin is losing her memory just before her wedding, I think a couple scenes with Lois there makes big time sense), Turbulence(Clark working at DP, you can have one scene before Clark gets on jet, 1 scene after, both scenes would be a continuation of Infamous end scene) and Injustice(once again Chloe gone, where is cousin Lois, they could have done the Doomsday scene in Injustice for instance giving Doomsday an extra 3-4 minutes to work with).

[amberdawn]

No effing way I'm coming back. Not with the *beep* they pulled Thursday.

[Davis Bloome]

It's kind of a mix of A and B for me, though I voted 'B'. Cause I do mind very much what they did to this episode, I hate it. But I've been a SV fan from the beginning and no matter what they do I'll keep watching it, always with some hope that it will improve, even if the première of the next season isn't as spectacular as it should be after the damage they caused...

[Dominicus]

It's kind of a mix of A and B for me, though I voted 'B'. Cause I do mind very much what they did to this episode, I hate it. But I've been a SV fan from the beginning and no matter what they do I'll keep watching it, always with some hope that it will improve, even if the première of the next season isn't as spectacular as it should be after the damage they caused...That's how I feel, in a way. If I choose A that would mean they can do whatever to the characters, and that would make me a zombified uncaring voyeur. I have let them know they are going in the wrong direction by choosing B, and there are consequences, real consequences if they don't get this right, or show some respect towards fans. But I won't just watch any show, that actors are one thing but the integrity means so much more. I will watch to see what direction they're going, if it's the wrong I don't think I have a choice...

[amberdawn]

See, I can't watch this show anymore, because they clearly, clearly, think I'm a dumb a** (and yes, you as well). I wasted 8 years of my life watching this show. I will give them no more of my time and support.

[Dominicus]

See, I can't watch this show anymore, because they clearly, clearly, think I'm a dumb a** (and yes, you as well). I wasted 8 years of my life watching this show. I will give them no more of my time and support.:lol:And I agree with that as well, I can't just accept trash. I just can't, but I chose B to give them a opportunity, or last chance, which I know is more then what they deserve. but after watching Bride and Identity, I know what they are capable of, which angers me more in a way.

[Bloomsday]

Jimmy already quit his job at the Daily Planet. So they still could have introduced his little brother and implied that the brother was the “real” Jimmy without killing our Jimmy. I feel like the deaths were a cheap ploy to gain viewers and in the case of Jimmy; completely unnecessary. I enjoyed the episode and would have voted A up until the point where Jimmy was killed. Now I'm leaning towards C. I liked the Davis twist. I just didn't like who he killed. I hope somebody starts a petition to keep Aaron Ashmore on the show. Maybe Lois could undo the death using the legion ring.

[Kid Collins]

For me, Reckoning was more of a disappointment than any other SV ep. With Doomsday, I find it more funny than anything else. I find it more entertaining, watching the trainwreck this show has become.

Doomsday was horrible, because of the character lightswitches, retcons, and generally boring episode. The epic Doomsday/Clark fight was wasn't even close to epic. If TPTB can't afford an amazing fight, then PLEASE don't promote the showdown at all! Don't call the episode Doomsday. Don't set up expectations that you know this ep won't meet!

I'm not mad that they killed off Jimmy Olsen. What made me laugh is the coward way they got rid of him. Don't have the balls to kill off a comic book character, but can't afford him anymore, so let's retcon his character and rename him Henry James Olsen! WTF! This tells me they don't respect their audiences' intelligence whatsoever.

I'm not a Cloiser, so I really didn't care that PS didn't deliver on their promised epic Clois scene. That said, I mean, PS is known to hype Clois scenes before and didn't deliver, so I don't know why some of you fell for it again! :lol:

[ooglebug]

what im wondering about is whats going to happen at the conventions and stuff - all the fans are going to be asking about doomsday and how the season went downhill (i dont agree massively, but i do think it went downhill...)
will they be at comic-con this year?
what questions do you think people will ask??

[amberdawn]

This tells me they don't respect their audiences' intelligence whatsoever.


Yep, like I said, they think we're dumb a**es.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

It's not about Lois being in 22 episodes. It's about what we were promised and it's about what we got. You may have liked the scene from a non -Clois/Lois fan standpoint and while it was mearly nice for us, it was overhyped to say the least. Go back and read the producers and various media individuals who commented on the Cloisness of this episode and then compare it to what we got. What anti-climactic load of tosh! To be honest, I'm not really bothered with what Clois got. What I'm bothered about is what we were made to believe, what we were looking forward to, only for it to not happen. I don't like being decieved. However I've learned my lesson and next year I will take all the spoilers with a pinch of salt.

Yep I'm PO'd about how they lied to us about the Clois stuff. Heck even Matt Roush from TV Guide commented on how he'd been misled about the Clois goodness.

Way to mislead the press PS, not a smart move at all

[Ken-El]

I know some people may differ in opinion from me on this. I rarely log-in to post on the board even though I read the board frequently. I thought the writing and this season were pretty good. When I heard they were going to introduce Doomsday, I thought "how in the hell can they incorporate Doomsday into this show this early in Clark's journey and not ruin the show." I just couldn't see it and yet they did it. They took a character and gave him an incredible back story with more layers and depth. The destruction of Lex Luthor (maybe coming back in a clone in the future) was good but the way Lana and Clark ended were epic.

We got to see Kara, The Legion, and Braniac this season. We even got another view of the Phantom Zone. We didn't get Zod but we got his wife. We have seen the beginning formation of the Legion of Doom. Hell we've got the formation of the Justice League and a new member. The Green Arrow has become a huge part of the show and I have been digging that.

Now as for the finale, there was so much in that one little hour. Mercy is going down the same path that Lex did in dealing with things over their heads. It looks like the orb is the eradicator and they are working in the Candor angle which is giving us something to look forward to. We see Doomsday imprisoned beneath the earth so we know what is coming later. Lois disappearing to the future to meet the Legion has been told in various versions of the Superman mythos so that I thought was outstanding. The whole Jimmy thing is bold not cowardly in my humble opinion. I was always wondering about the whole age thing with Jimmy but it is not my fault that I believed that he was the real Jimmy. Since when was the real Jimmy as gifted as this Jimmy with the covert abilities, cloak and dagger stuff. Besides Jimmy always said that he sucked at being a photographer. This Jimmy became a central and crucial piece of this Smallville. He figured out Clark's identity and the entire Davis thing. This Jimmy was more of a detective and became intertwined in these characters' lives. Maybe this version of the story makes the reason why Superman, Clark, and Lois care so much for the younger Jimmy. It gives the "real" Jimmy's character more depth. It was my fault that I bought the whole Jimmy thing but it was clear that he was not Jimmy in hindsight. Brilliant writing in my humble opinion. Sometimes a big bang in a finale is sometimes a revelation.

Love the show and hope it continues after Clark becomes Superman. Hope they take it to the big screen as the new Superman Franchise after Clark makes the final step.

PS: By introducing some of these characters now while Clark is still on his journey has given more meaning for me to those confrontations after he becomes Superman.

[petitemimi]

I thought the writing and this season were pretty good.

I think the writing for the 2nd half was abysmal, especially the extremely boring Chlavis arc.

They took a character and gave him an incredible back story with more layers and depth.
Yeah, everyone got their origin story this year: Green Arrow, Doomsday, SuperLana, Tess.


The destruction of Lex Luthor (maybe coming back in a clone in the future) was good but the way Lana and Clark ended were epic.
Power/Requiem were the worst episodes in Smallville history imo. It wasn't epic, it was beyond ridiculous and painful to watch Clark as the sidekick/trophy boyfriend.


We got to see Kara, The Legion, and Braniac this season. We even got another view of the Phantom Zone. We didn't get Zod but we got his wife. We have seen the beginning formation of the Legion of Doom. Hell we've got the formation of the Justice League and a new member.
Yeah, they sure like throwing a lot of DC characters in there to divert from Clark's story. It's an easy way out for the writers.

The Green Arrow has become a huge part of the show and I have been digging that.
Not me. I think GA has nothing to do in that show, and they wrote him to be the biggest douchebag. With "friends" like that, there's no need to bring new ennemies for Clark.


The whole Jimmy thing is bold not cowardly in my humble opinion. I was always wondering about the whole age thing with Jimmy but it is not my fault that I believed that he was the real Jimmy. Since when was the real Jimmy as gifted as this Jimmy with the covert abilities, cloak and dagger stuff. Besides Jimmy always said that he sucked at being a photographer. This Jimmy became a central and crucial piece of this Smallville. He figured out Clark's identity and the entire Davis thing. This Jimmy was more of a detective and became intertwined in these characters' lives. Maybe this version of the story makes the reason why Superman, Clark, and Lois care so much for the younger Jimmy. It gives the "real" Jimmy's character more depth. It was my fault that I bought the whole Jimmy thing but it was clear that he was not Jimmy in hindsight. Brilliant writing in my humble opinion.
I don't think so. It was obvious to me that they wrote Jimmy as the real Jimmy up until somewhere in the middle of S8, where they decided that would be a cool plot twist. Which isn't. The age excuse is beyond lame. They made so many important changes to the mythos (that they will never correct) that Jimmy's age is very minor.

PS: By introducing some of these characters now while Clark is still on his journey has given more meaning for me to those confrontations after he becomes Superman.
I think you should be on Smallville marketing department. ;)

[Tatiana]

I voted A but it's not like I don't mind or care what happened, it's just that I don't think it was that big of a deal, it was confusing yes with the Jimmy, but that's about it. I wasn't mad about Davis, or anything else. The fight could have been longer but then again I agree with people it would have been good to have a 2 hour finale but I don't think that's ever gonna happen again. I will miss JImmy and I loved AA but this is an entertaining show to me and I like how they portray Clark and the things he goes thru, so that's my reason for watching and I will still watch until the show ends

[TheANIMAL (marcus)]

I'm taking serious action.

I'm going to whine a bit, possibly watch some pr0n: brb.......


.... and then i might spend a bit less time watching smallville and a bit more time working, ya'never know.

Serous times call for serious action.

[LJ-90]

It was my fault that I bought the whole Jimmy thing but it was clear that he was not Jimmy in hindsight. Brilliant writing in my humble opinion. Sometimes a big bang in a finale is sometimes a revelation.

No.
Brilliant writting would be if they had put little things, or something, to show us that the twist was there all along, hell, tell the actor the truth sicne the begining if that's the case. It is not brilliant writting because it was a last second retcon, last second bullsh*t that PS think nobody cares.
How do I know it's a last second thing? My quotes:

"To me, that is the defining quality, when you say Jimmy Olsen you think Superman's best pal and that hasn't been the case so far. It's been Jimmy not really sure about Clark. That's what I hope that they develop, that really, really solid bond between those two guys because that to me is the history of those two characters."- Aaron Ashmore on Jimmy being on Smallville.

That shows that the actor thought he was playing Jimmy Olsen, the iconic one, and that obviusly the twist wasn't in the plan in that time. But hell, they probably thought that they shouldn't tell him...right?

Well what about this one?

"As an actor, Aaron Ashmore has been such a great surprise because that is a role everybody knows. He made it his own and hit it out of the park." -Smallville writer Darren Swimmer

DARREN SWIMMER? WTF

Role everybody knows = Iconic Jimmy Olsen.

The point it's that it was a last second thing, not brilliant, the twist was only about the shock value, you want a twist that make sense and it's brilliant at the same time? Read H.P Lovecraft, that's brilliant.

That's all.

[SVFancross]

It would have been devastating to most of us for Chloe to die, but at the same time, we ALL would have been okay with it.

Not true at all IMO. I certainly wouldn't have been okay with it.

[Honey45]

I chose C. But really, I've been done with the show for a while.
Season 7 was awful, so I didn't even bother watching season 8. When I heard the spoiler about the finale, I was sure that Chloe would die so I tuned in. If Chloe died, I would start watching the show again because she is what made the show awful for me. But now that she's still alive (and Jimmy's dead, plus Chloe is way more involved than she was before), I won't watch next season either.

[Dominicus]

Not true at all IMO. I certainly wouldn't have been okay with it.Most would've been saddened, but moved on, she been the predicted death since season 5 coming in just shy of Jonathan. Which would have made it easier to take, she lived past her purpose, and she was never a canon character. But Jimmy, who was suppose to an Iconic figure, safe, and he didn't do anything to warrant that ending, a sacrifice to keep Chloe, it's beyond wrong. And this change was recent. A lot more fans would've came back if they had killed her off, but quite the opposite since the second half of the 8th season, a steadily decline because it was all Chloe centric, Abyss set the precedence of that, the lowest rating before the disaster arc, it's becoming clear what is turning people off smallville.

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No.
Brilliant writting would be if they had put little things, or something, to show us that the twist was there all along, hell, tell the actor the truth sicne the begining if that's the case. It is not brilliant writting because it was a last second retcon, last second bullsh*t that PS think nobody cares.
How do I know it's a last second thing? My quotes:

"To me, that is the defining quality, when you say Jimmy Olsen you think Superman's best pal and that hasn't been the case so far. It's been Jimmy not really sure about Clark. That's what I hope that they develop, that really, really solid bond between those two guys because that to me is the history of those two characters."- Aaron Ashmore on Jimmy being on Smallville.

That shows that the actor thought he was playing Jimmy Olsen, the iconic one, and that obviusly the twist wasn't in the plan in that time. But hell, they probably thought that they shouldn't tell him...right?

Well what about this one?

"As an actor, Aaron Ashmore has been such a great surprise because that is a role everybody knows. He made it his own and hit it out of the park." -Smallville writer Darren Swimmer

DARREN SWIMMER? WTF

Role everybody knows = Iconic Jimmy Olsen.

The point it's that it was a last second thing, not brilliant, the twist was only about the shock value, you want a twist that make sense and it's brilliant at the same time? Read H.P Lovecraft, that's brilliant.

That's all.I'll repost for reference, good job LJ-90!

[Batmike]

Not true at all IMO. I certainly wouldn't have been okay with it.

What I meant to suggest by this statement was that it would not have made us nearly as angry...We wouldn't feel duped. We'd feel sad and we'd be real unhappy that she was gone, but we wouldn't feel stupid about it.

Jimmy is not more important than Chloe, that's not what I'm saying at all. I just mean to suggest, again, that she's the only character who doesn't necessarily belong. And her death would've inspired far more passion.

I'll clarify that I love Chloe -- she's fantastic, gorgeous, funny, and adds a good heart to the show. I do feel that she's a huge part of Smallville and she belongs in it as long as it runs -- but if they killed her off, it would at least give purpose to the writers including deaths at all.

I think what kills me most about this whole Jimmy thing is that it feels like the writers had this discussion:

Writer #1 - "Hey, it's the season finale. We should kill somebody. Season finale's always need somebody to die. But damn, we've basically only got two characters who we could actually kill without a problem. So everyone's gonna expect that! How are we gonna solve this?"

Writer #2 - "How about we kill off an important character and then just bring them back?"

Writer #1 - "Nah, that's too cliche'. We've done that so many times, it's lost all meaning. Fans'll see that coming from miles away."

Writer #2 - "Hey, I've got a crazy idea! What if we kill Jimmy Olsen? Bare with me, here. Jimmy's clearly supposed to be younger, right? But here we have him as the same age. SO, what if we give him a little brother and make it so Jimmy was going by his middle name! Like, he's not the real Jimmy, it was the real Jimmy's older brother all along!"

Writer #1 - "That's ingenious! It's so crazy, it just might work! And nobody's gonna see that coming! High-five, dude!"

It just felt too gimmicky. It was death for the sake of throwing in a death.

Sure, it hurt Clark and he's going to carry it for the rest of his life. But don't you think it would have been far more monumental for him as a character if Chloe had died?

Seriously, ask yourself. How monumental do you think it would be if the very best friend of the single most powerful hero in the universe was killed in cold blood?

What inspires people to fight injustice more than being the victim of injustice?

I don't want Chloe gone by any means. I want her to live a long life, get written into the comics some how, and live happily ever after.

But I think it could have been more important for her character to be sacrificed.

[red_sun1938]

They built up all season for an epic confrontation between Clark and Doomsday and all we get is 3-4 punches and a super tackle?

They bring back Impulse and Canary and thy get maybe 2 minutes of screen time and do absolutely nothing meaningful other than get beat down by Doomsday and betray Clark.

Lois fighting Tess was a redeeming quality but again, barely any screen time and she is sucked into whatever period of time she happened to be thinking about as she was in the middle of a fist fight. "Oh, Tess may counter my left cross with a right hook... Ya know. Come to think of it, I always wanted to see 2032 Metropolis." Ugh.

Jimmy isn't the REAL Jimmy and his death is completely Chloe's fault because she just had to save Davis. Clark blames himself of course even though it was Chloe who constantly hammered in the fact that this stranger harboring the ultimate destroyer was more important to save and defend that her own husband. WRONG!!!!

The whole Chloe/Davis arc ends with Davis splitting from Doomsday only to actually be a psycho killer all on his own. Good read on that one Chloe. This is the Ultimate destroyer sent here to kill Clark and you protect him by keeping him alive at the risk of everyone else and even when Clark tries to throw him into the Phantom Zone, Chloe intervenes. Who the hell does she think she is? UGH!!!!

This episode was a compete train wreck. Epic Fail. Catastrophic FAIL. I didn't think the writers could do any worse than Power/Requiem and the fake Lex they they forced on us but this takes the cake.

I'm furious over this steaming pile of a season finale. :mad:

[vikingjedi]

As long as Clark keeps moving towards becoming Superman and they don't kill off Chloe I will keep watching.

[Dominicus]

For me, Reckoning was more of a disappointment than any other SV ep. With Doomsday, I find it more funny than anything else. I find it more entertaining, watching the trainwreck this show has become.

Doomsday was horrible, because of the character lightswitches, retcons, and generally boring episode. The epic Doomsday/Clark fight was wasn't even close to epic. If TPTB can't afford an amazing fight, then PLEASE don't promote the showdown at all! Don't call the episode Doomsday. Don't set up expectations that you know this ep won't meet!

I'm not mad that they killed off Jimmy Olsen. What made me laugh is the coward way they got rid of him. Don't have the balls to kill off a comic book character, but can't afford him anymore, so let's retcon his character and rename him Henry James Olsen! WTF! This tells me they don't respect their audiences' intelligence whatsoever.

I'm not a Cloiser, so I really didn't care that PS didn't deliver on their promised epic Clois scene. That said, I mean, PS is known to hype Clois scenes before and didn't deliver, so I don't know why some of you fell for it again! :lol:It's hardly about the Clois, and no one really fell for it, there' no need for condescension and pointless mockery. It's only brought up to reference a bold-faced lie that was feed by several sources and on different occasions, and it has not been hyped, or lied about to this degree where detailed descriptions about the episode were mentioned. Optimistic, not blind. It's about lying period, about Jimmy for the most part. As a Cloiser I'm wasn't bothered with the Clois part, we expected it, rather another RBB cop out, but nothing more. However, the bigger issues are the same as you mentioned, but the total herioc Chloe over Clark as well, overkill.

[red_sun1938]

As long as Clark keeps moving towards becoming Superman and they don't kill off Chloe I will keep watching.


Yeah, I've been blindly saying that for 8 years now. :rolleyes:

[Dustmite]

Most would've been saddened, but moved on, she been the predicted death since season 5 coming in just shy of Jonathan.

I don't think you can say with any certainty what most would have done. How do you know that her fans would have moved on? And I certainly haven't been predicting her death since season 5. Many people that I know haven't.


It's only brought up to reference a bold-faced lie that was feed by several sources and on different occasions,

They have lied countless times over the years. Countless. Over so many issues that I can't even begin to name.

[Kid Collins]

It's hardly about the Clois, and no one really fell for it,

Really?
From what I've been reading here and in the spoiler section, Cloisers definitely were excited about this ep.


there' no need for condescension and pointless mockery.

I wasn't being condescending. I found it funny that PS have been exaggerating the Clois since the beginning of the season and some people in here and still believe them. This isn't the first time. :lol:



It's only brought up to reference a bold-faced lie that was feed by several sources and on different occasions, and it has not been hyped, or lied about to this degree where detailed descriptions about the episode were mentioned.

TPTB have a history of lying. I can't remember the number of times Al Gough said that Clana is dead! And we all know how that turned out every single time. TPTB lying about spoilers isn't the first time and I seriously doubt it'll be the last.

[Kal26]

I picked the second option, but have invested too much time, money, and emotion in to this show to stop watching completely. I'll be pissed, and this may be the thing I complain about until my dying day if they F it up, but I have to know how it ends. I suggest we somehow get these thoughts to the producers before they ruing the series. They've successfully tainted it at this point, but some really good writing, and a lot of effort may be able to fix things.

[Cage]

It was the perfect way for them to make Jimmy younger, so to speak. It was quite smart actually.


What exactly was stupid about?
In the seasons 4,6 and 7, Lois didn't have a cliffhanger in the end AT ALL, so you should be glad she had one now!
And I think it's pretty cool that they did this with the character! Makes you wonder where she went and something to speculate about ;)

Agree;)

[Dominicus]

I don't think you can say with any certainty what most would have done. How do you know that her fans would have moved on? And I certainly haven't been predicting her death since season 5. Many people that I know haven't.



They have lied countless times over the years. Countless. Over so many issues that I can't even begin to name.I said it, and I'm sticking to it. The point is when they say a character is going to die, the majority think it's Chloe.

[disciples of zod]

i am also in between A and B. the season finale didn't have that "edge of your seat" plot like the others have. however, i HAVE to know what happens next. therefore, i can't and won't stop watching.

~K

[6-Super-Man -5]

I'm here to the end.
Can't wait for Season Nine and Ten!

[marcella]

I choose letter A, because I just can't let it go:lol:

But I'm not happy with what they've done in this episode

[SVFancross]

Most would've been saddened, but moved on, she been the predicted death since season 5 coming in just shy of Jonathan. Which would have made it easier to take, she lived past her purpose, and she was never a canon character.

Most? In your opinion. I feel many would have been angry that after 8 years Chloe's reward was death.

[Dominicus]

Really?
From what I've been reading here and in the spoiler section, Cloisers definitely were excited about this ep.


TPTB have a history of lying. I can't remember the number of times Al Gough said that Clana is dead! And we all know how that turned out every single time. TPTB lying about spoilers isn't the first time and I seriously doubt it'll be the last.I was refering to the Clois stuff, but you're right with Clana stuff, but the opposite, I'm a clois fan obviously. However, Clana fans always got worked up every time I visited the forum in the past, and some bought it hook, line, and sinker. I still wouldn't mock those who got excited for the Clana action for the past 8yrs, get their hopes up to have it dropped. Clois really just started this season.

If you read the Clois boards then you would know there were hella doubts before the episode, however members would bring the details up to psyche up the fan base. That what these boards do, Clois, Chlavis, Clana etc; But the majority figured it was smoke screen for the most part and expressed what they would like to happen, not what will actually happen. And if you read the boards, you'd know most were satisfied by the Clois, it was typical, but tolerable, they didn't mess with it, and we didn't expect much. But the pandering to the base is annoying, we were going to watch anyway, there's no need to stretch details. And what's the point in reading spoilers, if they didn't spoil something and have some truth to them, and for the most part they do, however sometime it's subjected to change, budget, time, cuts.

However, the complaints now are what they planning on doing with the character, if they did what they did to Jimmy, what's from stopping them from doing it to anybody else? And the only major Clois moment they hyped up before the finale was Infamous, and a supposed kiss, not much else, nobody thought it would happen, but didn't mean the idea wasn't entertaining. They exaggerated Lois's/Ed's time on the show, and the finale. Most fans were upset that she was on a few minute, when supposedly they were to redeem her lost contractual episode. That what fans built themselves up for the finale was that redeeming moment that did not come to justify the lost episode. It's not simple. And judging how the season ended, it really seems pointless. If you don't get it, replace it with Lana or your favorite character. Say Lana was said to come back, however they felt a pointless ancedotal filler was more important to the plot etc, and the gave her episode to another character. Bottom line, most of the stuff spoiled that I recall, came to light except, Infamous, but the finale was just a lie all around, of everything, and I'm really refering to Clois at all when I say that.

[dezperado]

I'm also between A and B. I didn't completely hate the episode, but I was dissapointed with a lot of stuff. I didn't mind the Lois cliffhanger or the fact that Zod is coming back in a real body. I was though; thorughly dissapointed with the fight between Clark and Doomsday. It wasn't a fight at all. When is Smallville going to just let a real Clark brawl just happen? And where was this "flying" that the producers hinted at would happen this season? If it was supposed to be that super-super-jump out of the city with doomsday on his back...then it was completely anti-climatic and pitiful. This show continues to pass on opprotunities to make the fans happy and really get their ratings to jump. And yeah, why is Clark feeling guilty and Chloe not? It feels like the producers don't really seem to care. They know the hard-core fans will continue to watch no matter what ball of crap they roll to us. And finally, why is the finales not two hours? This episode had good elements to it, but it's like trying to fit too much story to close out the season with only 42 minutes. The whole story was rushed. Maybe if they wouldn't of wasted four episodes on Lana it would've panned out better. WE WANT A 2 HOUR PREMEIRE!!! AND CLARK BETTER START FLYING SOON! THIS IS GETTING RE-DAMN-DICULOUS!!!

[Dominicus]

Most? In your opinion. I feel many would have been angry that after 8 years Chloe's reward was death.When I said most, it was in regards to overall generalization, not her fan-base, it's a bid broader statement. And if done properly, I believe some of her fans would most likely move on. Which is funny, because I started off as fan myself, loved the Chimmy but also thought that Chlavis was an interesting angle, until mid this season, funny how one season can change a whole perspective. See, some would have preferred a death over the character assassination that has been done this season. Now people seem to resent the fact she lived. Some people resent the fact after 8 yrs her character was butchered in this regard, to the point of torture, she was OOC and unrecognizable.