Seriously PS2? Dear Souders and Peterson.... (merged)

[C Redfield]

I actually liked Doomsday I found it to be much better than Arctic. And I know I'm in the minority here but I loved the fight. It wasn't supposed to be long because Clark is just Clark he's not Superman yet. Also until the end of the original fight Doomsday made Superman his ***** with one arm tied behind his back. I wanted it to be a trap because I didn't want Clark beating Doomsday so early.

I choose D I just can't wait for Season 9

[terri7015]

I love Smallville so much that I don't think I could tear myself away from it, but they really did screw up almost everything in it now. I hope season 9 is so much better and I hope we get some more of CLOIS!!!!!

[SGuthrie27]

I'm going with Option A, though to say that I'm totally "fine" with everything that happened in "Doomsday" would be glossing over the major issues I have with the Jimmy Olsen death/retcon and a few other things that occurred toward the end of the season. Still, I've been a loyal Smallville fan since the beginning, and I'm not going to stop tuning in now.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[LJ-90]

So, B, but I'll probably stick around even if the premiere it's horrible.
I'll watch the series, but at the time I feel like it, I'll not be waiting for every episode to air, I'll just watch re-runs or something.
The Jimmy-retcon just leave this show tainted for me...

[Dyanara]

You know, I think we should have known that the season finale was going to suck seeing as how the season premiere was also quite horrible.

[dash142]

I'll go for B. If the season premiere is awesome, or it atleast brings Jimmy back to life then I'll keep watching.

I won't buy season 8 on DVD either unless that happens.

[wafflles87]

So, B, but I'll probably stick around even if the premiere it's horrible.
I'll watch the series, but at the time I feel like it, I'll not be waiting for every episode to air, I'll just watch re-runs or something.
The Jimmy-retcon just leave this show tainted for me...

Me too. No matter what they do, this show will always be stained with the fact that they not only killed Jimmy Olsen (which, while shocking, wouldn't've bothered me THIS much) but attempted to convince us he's not supposed to be the Jimmy we know from other media. That is something I will NEVER forgive, no matter how good the next season may be (which I seriously doubt, to be honest).

[RedKRules]

Fans Unite: Angry with the episode? DO something about it.

Does anyone have the PS address ??... I would like send them a wonderful gift

[LJ-90]

Me too. No matter what they do, this show will always be stained with the fact that they not only killed Jimmy Olsen (which, while shocking, wouldn't've bothered me THIS much) but attempted to convince us he's not supposed to be the Jimmy we know from other media. That is something I will NEVER forgive, no matter how good the next season may be (which I seriously doubt, to be honest).

Oh I don't know, if PS made a cameo in the show and Titan (or Clark) kicked their as*es I think I could forgive them...but, I don't think that ever happen so...

[wafflles87]

I'll go for B. If the season premiere is awesome, or it atleast brings Jimmy back to life then I'll keep watching.

I won't buy season 8 on DVD either unless that happens.

Aaron already left Vancouver for L.A. to look for job opportunities, so it seems that, sadly, Jimmy is deader than a Texas salad bar.

[Violet-Shadow]

I will not watch anymore. The producers flat out LIED about Jimmy Olsen. Either they were lying all along by saying he was Jimmy or they lied with the retcon. This was a monumental mistake on the producer's part...goodbye SV. I will be watching shows with GOOD plotlines, GOOD writing, and producers that actually appreciate the fans.

[patrese]

No effing way I'm coming back. Not with the *beep* they pulled Thursday.

Amber, why don't we mount a campaign instead of quitting and fight for the show we love. For starters we can make the producers promise to quit with the deceptive spoilers and hype. And also to promise continuity and respect the intelligence of the audience like the first half before the Lana Fiasco. If we can agree aon a set of principles and campaign for them, would not that be an alternative?

[Dustmite]

I said it, and I'm sticking to it. The point is when they say a character is going to die, the majority think it's Chloe.

Of course you can stick to your opinion. It doesn't make it a fact.

[topping82]

I of course think we should try to do something about it, though I don't agree with all of the reasons why Doomsday sucked. I loved the Beauty and the Beast scenario. And the way they crapped on it is what ruined the episode for me! And ruined Smallville forever.

Superman should be about hope and redemption, not despair.

[RedKRules]

I of course think we should try to do something about it, though I don't agree with all of the reasons why Doomsday sucked. I loved the Beauty and the Beast scenario. And the way they crapped on it is what ruined the episode for me! And ruined Smallville forever.

Superman should be about hope and redemption, not despair.

Emphasis of mine, Superman is not about misery, they just said on this episode that Davis was bad even without the Beast!!! really writers????? the guy rather kill himself than lose what was left of his humanity because of the Beast , and yet you guys found a way to trash everything the character was fighting throughout the season.

Now Clark will spend these 3 months moping at his barn, cursing the humanity and thinking about how much humans are evil evil evil!!! Thank PS for that.....
Go take some writing class and read comics books, watch movies before you find yourselves capable of knowing who Superman really is and what he really stands for.

[myankskent]

I think that Smallville is pretty much dead to me at this point. I'll still watch, but too many things have been messed up at this point. As a show moves forward, it's supposed to develop the story more and continue to build everything up. With Smallville, all TPTB are doing is tearing down everything that made this show great back in the day. It's like I've been saying for a while now, these writers just aren't good enough to make this show better over time. The longer this show goes on, the worse it will get, IMO. There might still be a good episode here and there, but past history says that whatever is good will become bad again.

[SVrnFAN]

Most would've been saddened, but moved on, she been the predicted death since season 5 coming in just shy of Jonathan. Which would have made it easier to take, she lived past her purpose, and she was never a canon character. But Jimmy, who was suppose to an Iconic figure, safe, and he didn't do anything to warrant that ending, a sacrifice to keep Chloe, it's beyond wrong. And this change was recent. A lot more fans would've came back if they had killed her off, but quite the opposite since the second half of the 8th season, a steadily decline because it was all Chloe centric, Abyss set the precedence of that, the lowest rating before the disaster arc, it's becoming clear what is turning people off smallville.



I have to say that I disagree with the bolded part. Per tptb she has not lived past her purpose - she is and will be an integral part in the series, Smallville. If she had lived past her purpose she would have been gone! But she is still here and will continue into next year with great storylines and wonderful scenes with Clark Kent. My opinion and it seems tptb opinion as well :)

And regarding the underlined portion - in AA's interview with Ausiello, he states that he knew something was happening around the time of Bride. Does not seem that he was sacrificed for Chloe- this was not a last minute switch like some have suggested. And I seem to recall that the lowest ratings for Season 8 was not a Chloe centered episode - so does that mean that character should get the boot too? I find that there is a bit of double standards here - JMHO :)

I chose A

[RedKRules]

Chloe didn´t have anything to do with AA´s departure, it was another TPTB idiocy moment... since they had to fix James Olsen age first ... before they could bring them over, since they didn´t .... SV had to get rid of him.

[Aries83]

There's really nothing you can do unless you have a Neilsen box in your home.

The problem I saw with the finale wasn't the content. Yes, Jimmy not being Jimmy; finding out the secret and dying was a twist -- Lois disappearing was unexpected, and the fight between Doomsday and Clark was underwhelming.

This is what went wrong:

A lot of the said plot points happened at DIFFERENT times.

Season 6's finale was written so perfectly that every twist we could've expected happened in the LAST few minutes, such as: Lois getting stabbed, Chloe turning into a blue vegetable, Bizarro and Clark duking it out, the dam breaking, Lex drowning while seeing Kara.

Because they revealed their cards so early in regards to certain events, instead of being "epic," it had no momentum.

What they should've done was gone back to the "Phantom" script and mapped everything that happened in Doomsday more like that so it would've seemed more cohesive.

Instead, they jumbled important things here, important things there, and all we were left with was the dud that was the reveal of Zod.

[curiosity]

I WILL BE WATCHING. I love Smallivlle now that Lana is gone. NOTHING, nothing, nothing, could come close to the awful Lana arc.

The only thing that could have kept me from watching is more Lana. But she's gone now, so I'll definitely be watching.:)

[Aries83]

I will not watch anymore. The producers flat out LIED about Jimmy Olsen. Either they were lying all along by saying he was Jimmy or they lied with the retcon.

Yeah, just make sure you include AlMiles in your producer list since they're the ones that told DC Comics that they'd rectify the issue of Jimmy's age before the series was over, yet bailed after Season 7.

They're accountable too, not just Souders and Peterson.

[curiosity]

Jimmy wasn't needed. I did't like Chloe/ Jimmy scenes and he wasn't on the show most of the season. That's why they killed him off.

The real Jimmy Olsen is his little brother. That's also why they had to separtate Doomsday, that made him the total killing maching, and not half human the way he's supposed to be.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

^ Eh I could say that about Chloe before anyone. She's served whatever purpose she might have had. Jimmy was sacrificed for her and nothing is going to convince me otherwise.

They were clearly setting up for her death, but they chickened out cause the show got renewed


Me too. No matter what they do, this show will always be stained with the fact that they not only killed Jimmy Olsen (which, while shocking, wouldn't've bothered me THIS much) but attempted to convince us he's not supposed to be the Jimmy we know from other media. That is something I will NEVER forgive, no matter how good the next season may be (which I seriously doubt, to be honest).

Well said! Same goes for me!

[RedKRules]

They were clearly setting up for her death, but they chickened out cause the show got renewed
!

How do you know that??? because of the death anvils?? no proof enough since every season Chloe has her death anvils...... it is already classic on SV.

There is nothing Chloe could have done about Jimmy´s situation, it was Al/Miles that brought him up they were aware about his age restriction and yet did nothing about it.....but each on their own I guess.

[Kryptochloe]

Chloe didn´t have anything to do with AA´s departure, it was another TPTB idiocy moment... since they had to fix James Olsen age first ... before they could bring them over, since they didn´t .... SV had to get rid of him.


You know, I keep saying the same thing, and is not that the producers have said so (cause I don't believe any word they may say), it was Aaron and then confirmed by Sam, and I feel I can believe this guys (specially 'cause they are not compromised to SV anymore supposedly).

But some people insist on blaming Chloe... What a surprise!!!:rolleyes:

[RedKRules]

You know, I keep saying the same thing, and is not that the producers have said so (cause I don't believe any word they may say), it was Aaron and then confirmed by Sam, and I feel I can believe this guys (specially 'cause they are not compromised to SV anymore supposedly).

But some people insist on blaming Chloe... What a surprise!!!:rolleyes:

I am not surprised, I knew if Jimmy died, Chloe was going to be blamed for it .... heckkkk I knew she was going to be blamed for not dying so ... I don´t care, because it was not Chloe that lied about Jimmy not being Jimmy .... it was the TPTB.

[Aries83]

There is nothing Chloe could have done about Jimmy´s situation, it was Al/Miles that brought him up they were aware about his age restriction and yet did nothing about it.....but each on their own I guess.

I wish more people would realize this and stop blaming the current show runners, but even with AlMiles having most of the accountability for what ensued, the screenwriting of the episode should be studied so as to not repeat any mistakes they made.

[amberdawn]

The real Jimmy Olsen is his little brother.

Great for you that you can accept that, I however, cannot.

And no, I don't think there's anything we can do at this point. We can't fix anything, they don't listen to us. I don't even know if there are enough people who disliked the finale that much.

[bizzaroboy9]

What is the address to their offices in L.A??

[Violet-Shadow]

Yeah, just make sure you include AlMiles in your producer list since they're the ones that told DC Comics that they'd rectify the issue of Jimmy's age before the series was over, yet bailed after Season 7.

They're accountable too, not just Souders and Peterson.

Actually, I don't include AlMiles. They did say that they would rectify his age but they never claimed that he WASN'T THE Jimmy Olsen. They had a plan to solve the age issue, maybe. Or perhaps DC decided, eventually, that they were okay with a Jimmy of similar age and the current producers are only using that past remark, from when Jimmy was first brought on, to justify this terrible retcon. Really, we don't know what was going on behind the scenes...but I blame PS mostly - 95% of the blame lies with them, IMO.

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I am not surprised, I knew if Jimmy died, Chloe was going to be blamed for it .... heckkkk I knew she was going to be blamed for not dying so ... I don´t care, because it was not Chloe that lied about Jimmy not being Jimmy .... it was the TPTB.

I don't blame Chloe for Jimmy's death at all. I blame the producers and writers. I also blame them for giving Chloe TOO much importance.

[~*Lois & Clark Fan*~]

How do you know that??? because of the death anvils?? no proof enough since every season Chloe has her death anvils...... it is already classic on SV.

It was so much more than that, there was a culmination of things building up to this


There is nothing Chloe could have done about Jimmy´s situation, it was Al/Miles that brought him up they were aware about his age restriction and yet did nothing about it.....but each on their own I guess.

Chloe betrayed Clark, she treated Jimmy like doggie doo, yet gets praised as the hero at the end. Jimmy even forgave her for everything.

He was sacrificed for her. Heck even Sam Witwer pretty much thought Chloe would be the one to die.

[RedKRules]

Ok, if putting the blame on Chloe for Jimmy´s death make you any feel better then ... please carry on ;)

[bcanfan]

Smallville has become like a bad drug addiction and I'm giving myself an intervention.

[WhoRU?]

OK so was it better to just zap Jimmy with a de-aged gun rather than kill him and have his little brother as the next Jimmy? Not that we would get the same SV actor but we would then get in line with DC comics. Not sure which is better as AA did do a great job on the Jimmy role.

[darkraya]

I hope this thread gets deleted. I mean, it was a good episode. It did have some WHAT moments but it was overall good.

i thinK people are over reacting a little bit too much.

RELAX EVERYONE, ITS JUST A TV SHOW AFTER ALL!

[Big O]

Jimmy's death decision came right from DC Comics. Check the spoilers forum.


So it was the brain surgeons at DC comics who decided that AA 's Jimmy had to go cos he was too old in their eyes huh...

WTG DC...way to ruin SV....when was the last time..the people running DC....did anything right..last time..DC had more than 10 comics in the top 100 list...Richard Nixon was in the White House!!

The people behind DC comics..and this idiotic order...to off AA's Jimmy.....couldnt organize a two car funeral...without screwing it up!

[Ultimate2]

I lost interest in smallville around the 3rd season and I came back this season because of two things, Doomsday and the rumour that this was the last season. The beginning of S8 really drew me in and got me liking it again, the second half of the season started to get me thinking about why I stopped watching, and the season finale has made me seriously consider not continuing to watch. Doomsday (the character) brought in ALOT of viewers like me, and after this they're likely to lose them all. I was planning to continue watching even after DD was killed (supposedly), but this was a kick in the face. Not only did the entire fight sequence (if you could call it that) appear in the DC, but the ending of the fight (the most important part of the fight that everyone was looking forward to) was OFF SCREEN and barely acknowledged. I can get over the pointless death of jimmy, but when you have an entire season building up to one point and having it barely be a footnote in the climax, it's just plain mean.

If the S9 premier doesn't deliver and spark an interest again, I don't think I'll continue watching.

[skully]

Well of course the audience isn't gonna see the JO "twist" coming since he's been referred to as JBO many times before. But now all of a sudden he's HENRY??? WTF. Since WHEN? And why wasn't he called Henry at his wedding? Retconning never makes for a good twist. It just angers many many ppl. If they wanted a good twist, they need to do it with something we've seen play out ONSCREEN, not something they went back and changed to "shock" ppl. I thought it was garbage.


It's not ONLY that. Jimmy WAS referred to as James Bartholomew Olsen before. So why would two bothers have the EXACT same name. It doesn't make a lick of sense because it's a retcon.Erm no, I'm sorry, but you are mistaken.

Smallville Jimmy has never been referred to verbally as James Bartholomew Olsen, nor (I believe) has his name appeared in that form in writing in the series (more than happy to be corrected but I don't think you'll find any such reference). In fact, the name Bartholomew has never been mentioned in relation to any character in 8 seasons of Smallville.

I think you are getting mythos Jimmy (who is James Bartholomew Olsen) confused with Smallville Jimmy Mk I.

[Theshadow129x]

he was never referred to as James Bart Olsen he was just referred to as Jimmy Olsen.

I really dont care too much about the twist. i mean i guess it can be seen as a cop out with them trying to line up the mythos when we were told they were doing their own thing with the characters

[Kal26]

I also thought I heard him call himself James Bartholomew Olsen, but if there is one person on this site who's word on such things I would follow blindly, it's skully. So, I think this question has been answered unless someone can find it on the dvds.

[patrese]

you know, one thing I don't understand is that the writers of this episode have written some good episodes that really highlights the Clois relationship very well. Like Gone in Season 4 where Lana has that line "the best ones always start out that way", talking about the chemistry between Lois and Clark.

[superman_reboot]

I too was a little disappointed with the huge build up to the Clark/Doomsday fight...afterall it was being advertised as "ginormous"...maybe in scale being it was in Metropolis, but elapsed time wise, it was miniscule...

I know the show is tight on budget, as even the JLA didn't display any of their powers in the finale...I think what they should've done is not had Rokk flying in the opening sequence, just have him meet CK on the building top...and use those precious special effect budget moments on more punches by CK against DD...

the jimmy thing I can overlook too, but not with great ease...I reallly like AA version of Jimmy and thought it was great...I personally don't find it a big deal about his age and trying to rectify that with the mythos...afterall, all the fans on here or anywhere that have been complaining for years about his age are really at fault...I guess they are happy now as I haven't seen any threads saying "I'm sooo happy Jimmy is finally lined up with the mythos."...we all know what would happen in that thread...more blood bath than CK and Doomsday in the finale, that's for sure lol

[LJ-90]

I too was a little disappointed with the huge build up to the Clark/Doomsday fight...afterall it was being advertised as "ginormous"...maybe in scale being it was in Metropolis, but elapsed time wise, it was miniscule...

I know the show is tight on budget, as even the JLA didn't display any of their powers in the finale...I think what they should've done is not had Rokk flying in the opening sequence, just have him meet CK on the building top...and use those precious special effect budget moments on more punches by CK against DD...

the jimmy thing I can overlook too, but not with great ease...I reallly like AA version of Jimmy and thought it was great...I personally don't find it a big deal about his age and trying to rectify that with the mythos...afterall, all the fans on here or anywhere that have been complaining for years about his age are really at fault...I guess they are happy now as I haven't seen any threads saying "I'm sooo happy Jimmy is finally lined up with the mythos."...we all know what would happen in that thread...more blood bath than CK and Doomsday in the finale, that's for sure lol

a)Micropolis dude...
b) True, or maybe use the special effects showing the powers of the JLA...or hell, just show WHY Doomsday didn't kill them all and just make them a few bruises...I mean, DD has no problem sparing the life of a bunch of guys in halloween costumes, but has a problem with the mom of a poor little girl? WHY?
c)Hey, maybe if the blood bath happens some of the fans that are dissapointed with the fight would be happy...so I say, bring the thread!

[mr lane]

DEAR PS2 i did some research of the previous episodes you've written (mainly to see which were clois centered) to see what the new show runners had to bring to the table since youve had more misses than hits this season and this is what i found to my surprise

the same writers who wrote ETERNAL which posed the theory that Davis was Sageeth the mortal enemy of Naman/Clark also wrote FORSAKEN which was the episode that gave us the prophecy of Naman and Sageeth and the star blade

How can you give us such a great episode in Forsaken which showed us the dynamic between the luthors and Clark only to totally disregard it in ETERNAL?

and here i was upset that the writers of Forsaken were turning over tables when Eternal aired just to find out you wrote both episodes!

you also wrote Skin Walkers in season 2 which featured the soul mate bracelet

you also wrote Phoenix in Season 3 which i thought was awesome

Relic S3 although it was Clana centered I enjoyed it

Delete S3 which gave us the chloe/lana smack down, not such a great episode but the smack down made up for it

and Crisis s3 which was OK

you also Wrote Gone in season 4 which to all Clois fans is a great episode

Scared S4 which unless Im mistaken gave us Clark's nightmare of another Meteor shower and Lex becoming President with blood on his hands, Great Episode

Sacred S4 which was kinda lame

Blank S4 which was good and FOREVER which was also kinda lame

Hidden in Season 5 which i enjoyed
EXPOSED S5 which goes on any Cloisers Mantel

Reckoning which was the first episode on SV to make me cry

and Vessel which was a pretty good ep considering i thought the whole Lex/Zod thing would be weird but it worked

in Season 6 they gave us Arrow which was ok

and CRIMSON WHICH WAS AWESOME

Promise which was useless

Season 7 they gave us Bizzaro, which i really enjoyed

and season also had Siren and Arctic

Season 8 they gave us Odyssey, Prey, Eternal and Doomsday

how can writers who wrote such great eps in the early season all of a sudden throw out hit and miss eps in the later seasons?

Please PS2 find your past writer mojo for season 9!

[Kal26]

I agree, it's like someone sucked the life out of them or something. Please get it back! Great post by the way!

[mr lane]

I agree, it's like someone sucked the life out of them or something. Please get it back! Great post by the way!

thanks!

[susangail]

I voted A, though whether I watch until the end is up for grabs :)

[skully]

I also thought I heard him call himself James Bartholomew Olsen, but if there is one person on this site who's word on such things I would follow blindly, it's skully. So, I think this question has been answered unless someone can find it on the dvds.Why thanks, Kal26. :)

I have checked any possible reference to Jimmy's full name and I'm convinced Bartholomew has never been used in reference to him. I wouldn't mind MrsK's confirmation, though. :D

[SnowBird]

Not everyone has put their expectations so high they can never be reached. I, for one, have enjoyed this season and look forward to S9 and what you have in store for us. When the skies are gray, you have sent the sunshine peaking through the clouds to brighten my day. Smallville is the best thing on television. You will always have my loyalty. Keep up the great work:)

[skully]

Well said, Snowbird.

I feel there's a lot of gloom and doom in the wake of Doomsday but people seem to forget how underwhelmed we were by Arctic, and yet S8 has turned out one of the best of all seasons.

I will keep my faith. There are just too many question marks from the Finale to convince me that PS don't know what they are doing. It could turn out a giant "gotcha" on their part, and the fans will go "Whoa, they totally duped us."

Fingers crossed.

[patrese]

Well said, Snowbird.

I feel there's a lot of gloom and doom in the wake of Doomsday but people seem to forget how underwhelmed we were by Arctic, and yet S8 has turned out one of the best of all seasons.

I will keep my faith. There are just too many question marks from the Finale to convince me that PS don't know what they are doing. It could turn out a giant "gotcha" on their part, and the fans will go "Whoa, they totally duped us."

Fingers crossed.

here's hoping!

[Tompouce]

Can I say, "I am happy with the finale and waiting for the season première with happiness ?"

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Not everyone has put their expectations so high they can never be reached. I, for one, have enjoyed this season and look forward to S9 and what you have in store for us. When the skies are gray, you have sent the sunshine peaking through the clouds to brighten my day. Smallville is the best thing on television. You will always have my loyalty. Keep up the great work:)
ITA:)SV and especially Tom's smile is such a sun ! The only thing I ask is to see him more with this speacial smile he has in season 9. For the rest, I am happy:)

[dijonaise]

I am so confused right now Im gonna watch the show again

WTF?

Jimmy dies... they try to make some cop out on his lil bro (with bow tie) and camera...

They spend all season showing how redeeming Davis is while not DD, then they have him go totally out of character and kill Jimmy right in front of Chloe..

then the Coup De Gras... they have Clark acting like someone else entirely after the "battle" (and I use that term as lightly as possible, weakest battle on a finale yet)

So he is gonna stay hidden during the funeral? Then he is all angsty to Chloe, walks away and "disappears" poof? WTF

Then you have Rokk coming back meaningless, just a plot device to get a ring into Lois' hand, so she could go to the future? We dont know because they ignored her from the mid point in the show on...

So Clark dies "tomorrow" eh Rokk? You did nothing to change that, yet he is still alive

Oh and, dont forget Davis reincarnated as Zod... havent seen that before at all

This thing felt so rushed, Id almost call it the worst episode of the season

well said!
couldn't agree more!!!

[SnowBird]

Can I say, "I am happy with the finale and waiting for the season première with happiness ?"

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ITA:)SV and especially Tom's smile is such a sun ! The only thing I ask is to see him more with this speacial smile he has in season 9. For the rest, I am happy:)

Couldn't agree more:)

[Tompouce]

No ? Again ? An French expression ? "coup de grâce ?" (gameface, if I can allow myself if you write it like you do "gras", it means "fat" instead of "grâce" which is grace, like in english). But I have a doubt, maybe you are French and you write it like we do to send message with our mobile lol

Thanks, Bev:)

[natbug]

Loved the finale. Cann't wait for the season 8 DVDs so I can watch it on the big screen instead of on the computer. Cann't wait for season 9!

Put/keep the focus on Clark, not JL!

[SnowBird]

No ? Again ? An French expression ? "coup de grâce ?" (gameface, if I can allow myself if you write it like you do "gras", it means "fat" instead of "grâce" which is grace, like in english). But I have a doubt, maybe you are French and you write it like we do to send message with our mobile lol

Thanks, Bev:)

I have some French blood in me along with Cherokee, English and Scotch-Irish. I'm a mixed up American. I wish I could speak French but I only know English. I think my French ancestor could have been a French trader among the Indians so it's been that long ago. It is fun to know we agree on so much in the forum and your country once was the home of my ancestors.

Gotta say something about the topic or get into trouble...LOL...What am I gonna do without Smallville this summer? It's been a great season but I think S9 will even surpass S8. I have Faith in the Powers that Be to deliver.

[Princess_Kara]

Please bring back Kara and try to add Batman and Wonder Woman. IMO these factors would make a dramatic difference in the negative opinions of the show for Season 9.;)

[Hopefulsuicide]

Dear PS2,

Do you watch other television shows? Because if not, then I really think you should start, just to get an idea of the basic NO NO's of television.

In fact you can simply look it up on the internet.

Why oh Why did you EVER think it was a good idea to retcon Jimmy Olsen's entire importance of the show, thus angering anyone who enjoyed any of Aaron Ashmore's performances?

Why oh Why did you think that releasing very tantilising information about a Doomsday fight and a big Clois moment, and then not providing either, would be acceptable for the finale?

Why oh Why did you think that a soppy Chimmy scene was appropriate after the shock of the pitiful Doomsday fight?

Why are you making Clark embrace his kryptonian side and ignore the fact Lois is missing, when this is the opposite of what the fans want?

I don't know why you have strayed so far from the essence of characters that you have been dealing with for so long, but in your efforts to provide 'shocks' and events that will boost ratings, you have ensured that the show is awful from week to week.

It is inconsistent in plot and characterization. I find it impossible to be a fan of any of the characters, because they change their minds and personalities from week to week. This is not a good thing.

When Season 7 ended, I really had hope for Season 8. I couldn't see how it could possibly be worse than 7. But now, as we approach season 9, I realise that there is always more down.

I miss AlMiles. I knew that their departure would not be the wonderous event that everyone though, not for me. At least they understood the point of Smallville. :(

[Kneel before Zod]

While I was a bit disappointed with Doomsday, I still loved Season 8. I think the fans are being too harsh on PS & Co. I like how they're setting things up for Superman, as long as they don't pull another stunt like they did with "Jimmy". The fact of the matter is, Smallville is still my favorite show. Keep up the good work, PS2!

[AgentChaos]

the same writers who wrote ETERNAL which posed the theory that Davis was Sageeth the mortal enemy of Naman/Clark also wrote FORSAKEN which was the episode that gave us the prophecy of Naman and Sageeth and the star blade

The episode you're thinking of was Talisman, which was written by Ken Biller. Forsaken was the following episode, which had the return of Lana's cloned childhood friend Emily Dinsmore, Chloe giving the recording of Lionel's confession to Lex, and Pete's last episode as a series regular.

Like every writer on the show, Souders and Peterson have had their studs and their duds. Personally, I'd rather see episodes written by them than by Bryan Miller, who may be a good writer on other platforms, but his writing for Smallville sucks.

[Kal26]

as long as they don't pull another stunt like they did with "Jimmy".!

I said that when they had Ollie kill Lex, when they decided to have Clark drop any feelings he had for Lois upon Lana's glorious return (sarcasm), when they decided to make super Lana, and just when things started to look up again, they pull this crap. I'm done hoping these ridiculous story arcs are flukes. Once, or twice I could say it's a fluke, but every couple of episodes............they need to go! For me, the only good things they did this season were bring Kara back, even though it was very short lived, sort of develop the Lois and Clark relationship, even though they ended up crapping on it more than any writers have done in the history of the characters, and let Johns write an episode. His episode was probably the only good one this season when I really look at it as a whole. I'm more than disappointed with what they've done to the show. I'm hurt.

[Hopefulsuicide]

Like every writer on the show, Souders and Peterson have had their studs and their duds. Personally, I'd rather see episodes written by them than by Bryan Miller, who may be a good writer on other platforms, but his writing for Smallville sucks.

Bryan Miller has written my top 3 episodes of the series, and I can't put my finger on what it is about his writing that I love so much. There just comes across a true understanding of the heart of the characters... plus he's the only smallville writer in 8 season to ever pull off comedy properly IMO

[Jaderoyale]

Bryan Miller has written my top 3 episodes of the series, and I can't put my finger on what it is about his writing that I love so much. There just comes across a true understanding of the heart of the characters... plus he's the only smallville writer in 8 season to ever pull off comedy properly IMO

I agree, except BQM didn't write Identity, which is my top episode. Though he did write Hex, which is my second ;)

I agree, that he gives across a true understanding of the characters. His episodes actually make Clark look comfortable and in control of himself, with a hint of comedy and playfullyness about him; which is a welcome thing to see.
And i definetly agree about no other writer being able to pull off comedy. I think, Hex is the only episode that was intentionally comical and that could have gone wrong, if BQM hadn't written the episode so well. We've got to give him major props for that.

[ox007]

I liked the finale, yeah sure it had strange and shocking twists but it doesn't mean it's a bad thing. Killing off a major character always brings out fan emotions, just like after killing off JK for example but it does not mean that the show will be unwatchable. Besides many many people were complaining about SV version of Jimmy and a huge group of fans didn't like the character and now I see that many people are moaning that he's gone. I think I miss JK 100 times more than I will miss this Jimmy so I wouldn't cry out loud about his departure.

And there is a quite nice cliffhanger: is Clark dead or did he split in two or is this Clark from the ending an imposter? What happened to Lois? And the Davis-Zod connection? Well ok the Davis-Zod connection is not a great idea IMO they could of thought something better for Davis' character but still I wouldn't cross out this episode it was pretty nice, OK I admit I was very disappointed in the Doomsday-Clark fight but I'm hoping it will be repaired in S9.

So I advise not to dump this show just yet!

[amberdawn]

People weren't complaining about Jimmy himself, they were complaining about the way he was written at times and the stupid story lines they gave him. The writers are stupid.

[Odysseus]

i thinK people are over reacting a little bit too much.

RELAX EVERYONE, ITS JUST A TV SHOW AFTER ALL!

I totally agree. There's no need to get overdramatic and cry bloody murder over what happened in the finale.

I for one enjoyed this season thoroughly, and I eagerly look forward to Season 9. :)

[jaybyrd28]

Why? Please tell me why on Earth you would pull a 'Chlois' on Jimmy when you know how much that theory is detested by the majority of viewers and how ridiculous it really is.

Brian & Kelly-

Please don’t take the poor reaction to Jimmy being killed as an indication that Chlois won’t fly with the general audience. The biggest problem with what you did with Jimmy is that the character you are “replacing” him with is a complete unknown person that we never got to meet and likely won’t see again.

Also, if Aaron’s character had been a photographically challenged, un-educated skeez who slept with the EIC while his cousin…er brother, sorry, was a decent photographer, hard working and generally likeable chap the reaction would probably be a little different.

Sincerely,
Jaybyrd28

P.S. Chlois stuff aside if it’s possible I think you guys need to just settle on an end date for the show. It feels like I’m being milked for money and frankly I don’t like that feeling. There are some shows that are suited to a long span of time. A show like Smallville, however, is not one of those in my opinion. It’s a coming of age story but the protagonist has been coming of age too long. Imagine if you were sitting in the theater watching Revenge of the Sith and Anakin gets his legs cuts off and burned to a crisp only to decide he wanted to turn away from being Vader for some silly reason because Lucas decided he wanted to squeeze one more film out of the franchise.

P.S.S. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Lois and Clois was pimped to high heaven this year and it didn’t seem to do much for you in the ratings. The finale in particular was spoiled on the internet as having a moment that would supposedly pardon all for Erica being in 12 episodes instead of 13 and no one tuned in to see it (almost had the worst ratings of the series). Just a bold point here; whether it actually happened or not is irrelevant when looking at the ratings because viewers would have had no idea that it wasn’t going to happen. You got more people tuning in to see Clana despite the consensus on the internet that it's a hated couple. Try some Chlark and see how it goes ya?

/hugs

[abbaspice1]

Dear PS2,

DO NOT RECON any other characters!!! Jimmy should have been Jimmy, Clark needs t be Clark, Lois stays as Lois, and Chloe needs to stay Chloe.

Unlike some folks, I like my characters to stay as themselves.

[Selina]

Dear PS2,

DO NOT RECON any other characters!!! Jimmy should have been Jimmy, Clark needs t be Clark, Lois stays as Lois, and Chloe needs to stay Chloe.

Unlike some folks, I like my characters to stay as themselves.

Hear hear!

Replacing Jimmy with a stranger was a big mistake but I dread to think of the fall out if you did this to Lois. As you must be aware, she is a very popular character, not through canon, but on the show. People, like myself, love her. Don't even think about pulling a Chlois on her. People will switch of in thier droves!

Anyway, please make next years finale alot better than the one you've just presented us with... and in the future, please live up to your word. If Clois are meant to be have these "nice fits" and such great moments, ensure that they do.

I should hope next season we see Clark and Lois still at the DP, with Clark becoming closer to his destiny (Lois and Superman).

[Bizarrolover]

I htink Souders and Peterson should never write Season finales again. They wrote both Arctic and Doomsday, the two worst finales in Smallville's history. They were both rushed, inconsistent, depressing, I could go on.

[jaybyrd28]

Replacing Jimmy with a stranger was a big mistake but I dread to think of the fall out if you did this to Lois. As you must be aware, she is a very popular character, not through canon, but on the show. People, like myself, love her. Don't even think about pulling a Chlois on her. People will switch of in thier droves!

Yeah those ratings spikes when she's in an episode vs when she's not are so huge. People are already switching this show off and lets be honest, it's not because of Jimmy Olsen. I didn't like what happened with Jimmy but honestly I doubt it's more than a blip on the radar for the majority of the audience.

This show debuted with over 8 million viewers and no Lois. They retained most of that audience until ratings started to slide in Season 3. In fact, part of the impetus for introducing Lois in the first place was to shore up the sagging ratings from Season 3. Not only did it not work but Season 4 sagged so low that the network told Smallville that Season 5 was it's last.

Season 5 they got back to the core relationships on the show and predictably the ratings crept back up and held pretty well until they threw it all into a cocked hat with Retconning...er I mean Reckoning.

I said this in another post but whether you think Lois is the best character ever is irrelevant to the fact that there just isn't any ratings support for saying that people would tune out if they axed her. You might tune out but think about the fact that you might be replaced by a fan who hates her and left the show in Season 4 (believe me lots of Clana and Chlark shippers did) when she showed up.

If they can survive ratings wise getting rid of Lex and Lana I highly doubt losing Lois (or Chloe) would be a big blip in ratings either. It's my personal opinion that most people tune in for Tom and as long as they keep him and keep the stories interesting they would get by.

That being said, this show could probably do a lot worse than to get the original cast back together even if it costs them some serious $. There is a difference between surviving and flourishing.

[Selina]

I never said people would switch of if Lois left (though I do think a fair amount would, just like any popular character), I said people would switch of if the writers pulled a "Chlois" on her. Ultimately they are slapping both fanbases in the face - Lois's and Chloe's. Chloe wouldn't be Chloe anymore and Lois wouldn't be Lois. I'm a Lois fan and I'd be pissed if after spending 5 years investing in a character that they turned out to be someone else. I can imagine the Chloe fans who love her for who she is would be extreamly annoyed that after 8 years of development, what they saw was nothing but a farce. The average viewer who doesn't belong to any ship or a fan of any particular character will go WTF?! Honestly, it's something you see out of Dallas and the show would lose a hell of a lot of credibility. What they did to Jimmy was horrific. The comments on these forums speak for themselves. However at least little Jimmy is not a developed character over 8 years like Chloe has. Like you, I think the show can live on from what they did to Jimmy but not if we had "Chlois" for the reasons I've listed.

About ratings, I'm not suggesting that Lois makes them. I'm a viewer who opposes the notion that a single character increases/decreases ratings. Not Lois, Chloe, Lana, Lex, Clark etc are all solely responsable for how well SV does with it's audience. It's a takes a strong writing team, a excellent cast, effective story telling and engaging characters which get people to tune in. I fully understand that any show will not continue to hold steady ratings after 8 years. That's a long time. Some people will switch of and some people will tune in. I'm one of those who has only discovers SV this year. As far as Jimmy retcon goes, the jury is still out for that. We will have to see the ratings for season 9 before seeing if it's had an instrumental effect on it's viewing. However, I'm one of those who thinks while what they did to his character was overall ridiculous, I can't see it effecting the ratings massively, because his little brother is not an 8 year developed character popular with many and Jimmy Olsen on the show was not, by my impression, hugely popular with SV viewers overall. I'm not saying he was unpopular but it's pretty clear that Clark, Chloe and Lois are the big three. I think the concequences for doing a switcheroo on any of these characters would be catastrophic. The critics would have a field day and yes the ratings would suffer. How much they would suffer is debatable but I do think it would be significant. Lex and Lana may have left (along with Johnathon, Martha, Lionel, Kara) but what ever peoples views are of thier exits, they left as themselves developed into the person they became and ultimately, it hasn't caused any long-term damage to the show or the characters at hand. It hasn't pissed off a huge demograhic to the extent that they wouldn't tune in again. I, however, am confident if we had Chlois on SV, the fall out would be huge.

[jaybyrd28]

Chloe wouldn't be Chloe anymore and Lois wouldn't be Lois. I'm a Lois fan and I'd be pissed if after spending 5 years investing in a character that they turned out to be someone else. I can imagine the Chloe fans who love her for who she is would be extreamly annoyed that after 8 years of development, what they saw was nothing but a farce.

That depends on which segment of Chloe fan's you're talking about. Are we talking about the ones that like reporter Chloe from Seasons 1 through 6 or the ones that like Watchtower Mother Theresa Chloe from Seasons 7 and 8? Because in the eyes of the former the farce has already been pulled. We've been told that the Chloe we knew from earlier seasons was a farce who never really wanted to be a journalist and instead wanted to be den mother to a bunch of adolescent superheros. Not to mention some really bad choices in particular this season that she's made which have me sitting there scratching my head going "Chloe wouldn't do that". I feel like personally I've been asked to forget everything this show told me about the character and treat this new character as something different.

Let's throw the shoe on the other foot and suppose that next year the producers put Lois working in a bar. Would you not anxiously await for the day that she wanted to be a reporter again? Would you be "annoyed" if Lois returned to doing what you liked seeing her do even if she decided to start calling herself Louisa for some reason?

I DO love Chloe for who she is. But she's not that person I loved anymore.

I make no debate that Lois fans would be pissed. That's a given ;).

[Selina]

I wasn't refering to Chloe's character developement over the years (though I can understand why some would be unhappy with the latter seasons) but if Chloe suddenly turned out to be someone else entirely. That means Chloe's development, good or bad, would have all been for nothing. What's more is that if she became Lois, her personality would have to totally and completly change. If you like her for who she is, I don't see why you'd want to change her persona. Sure, she's not completly the same consistant Chloeshe once was. Even I've made a point of that in the past but she's still Chloe. What evers happened to her is fixable. She made a deal with Lionel in season 3 imo which didn't make herself look good at all but she managed to redeam herself. However I think her becoming someone else would be just awful in the long run for Chloe and Lois fans. Too many plot holes, character consistancy would be poor and characterisation would go straight out of the window. Added to that, there is a large proportion of online Chloe fans who intensely dislike Lois. Therefore Chloe becoming Lois would be even worse.

As for your second point, I would be annoyed if Lois went from reporter to bar attender of course but I won't tune of because of it. Such a developement would not make her any less Lois Lane to me. It's ironic you've bought up the job scenario as it goes because I've just being saying in the Chlois thread that journalism is a part of Lois is but it doesn't define her. I'd be annoyed but I can live it because she'd still be Lois embodying all the iconic Lois traits that made me a fan of her in the first place. Take away the characteristics and what do you have - a complete stranger. Anyway, I'm not objecting to you wanting Chloe to go back to reporting or back to the character you once loved. You're within right to feel that way, What I am objecting to is Chloe becoming Lois. It's not a good tactic and I can't see it pleasing the SV fandom overall aswell as doing well in the ratings.

[xrayvision]

I DO love Chloe for who she is. But she's not that person I loved anymore.

She used to be my favorite young female. But that ended once they changed her in season 5 to being the most unrealistic character on the show. Once she was lightswitched into a hacker in season 5 and was made to solve all of Clark's problems, thereby intruding on his role by doing things he used to do in the first 3-4 seasons, that's when Chloe changed forever. For me, the Chloe farce started in season 5. They should have kept her as a reporter, but with the same traits & abilities she had in the first 4 seasons that made her so lovable. Chloe didn't have a smug or dramaqueen bone in her body until season 5. Like Lana & even Oliver, Chloe's character is tied to the BDA portrayal of Clark Kent, and in a huge way. Lana reduced him to a 1 track minded mopey, pining fool. Oliver took away his screentime as the hero of the show. And Chloe took away a major portion of his role and his outgoing, proactive nature seen in seasons 1-3 when he used to meet people on his own & help them & did all the thinking for him. They even used Lois as a distraction to keep Clark away from looking for the stones in season 4 by pairing the 2 together to appease viewers who wanted to see that. Season 4 was the start of keeping Clark in the dark of the main plot. It drove me nuts to see Lana more involved in the stones plot as a result of the stupid witch plot than Clark was.

So to sum it up, Lana was used to keep Clark from being involved in the main plots of seasons 5-7 until the end of the season (when it was too late). Chloe in seasons 5-7 was used to do all of Clark's thinking, researching, and keeping tabs on events. Oliver took up a great deal of Clark's time in season 6. In season 8, instead of Lana, Chloe was used to keep Clark from being involved in the main plot of the season (Davis/Doomsday) until the end of the season (when it was too late). Chloe still did some of Clark's researching, but Clark started doing a lot more of his own researching & definitely thought for himself after a long absence of not doing so. Chloe did get involved in a lot of his hero role until she lost the Brainiac powers. Oliver towards the end of season 8 started intruding a lot more on Clark's hero role & really had a negative effect on him. Season 4 had a combination of football, Lois, Lana & her witch plot, and various other filler stories to keep him away from the stones plot, though back then Clark did do his own thinking. These are the characters & the way they were (mis)used that led to bad portrayal of Clark.

[jaybyrd28]

I don't see why you'd want to change her persona.


Added to that, there is a large proportion of online Chloe fans who intensely dislike Lois. Therefore Chloe becoming Lois would be even worse.

Heh, well the answer to that should be fairly obvious. I don't think Chloe needs to change her persona at all for Chlois to happen. If I thought she should act and be more like Lois then I would probably like Lois better now wouldn't I ;)? I detest Lois. The last thing I would want is for Chloe to act more like her.

I never would have liked the idea of Chlois if I didn't think Chloe already acted like Iconic Lois Lane would I? I thought Chloe was already a perfect Lois when I met her, no changes needed. She just wasn't wearing the right name tag. Just something I thought I would point out. You said in one of your posts that you had only been with the show since last year. So for you the status quo has always been that there is a Chloe and a Lois and they are separate people. Keep in mind, however, that a lot of Chloisers bought into the idea as early as Season 1 before Erica Durance was even cast. For most of us Chloe already WAS the Lois of the show for three years (albeit a different interpretation but so were Pete, Lex, and Lana) before they had even cast the part.

[Selina]

I hope you don't mind but I've took our discussion to the Chlois thread as we're quite off-topic now.

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4928470&posted=1#post4928470

[petitemimi]

I htink Souders and Peterson should never write Season finales again. They wrote both Arctic and Doomsday, the two worst finales in Smallville's history. They were both rushed, inconsistent, depressing, I could go on.

That's the thing. Souders/Peterson LOVE depressing stuff. It doesn't seem to cross their minds that it's boring and not entertaining one second. They're always happy with sad and lonely Clark all alone in the barn. In a recent interview they gave, they didn't have a single uplifting word about Clark. It was all about his mistakes, his hurdles, that everything is his fault and so on. They just revel in that.

[Kal26]

That's the thing. Souders/Peterson LOVE depressing stuff. It doesn't seem to cross their minds that it's boring and not entertaining one second. They're always happy with sad and lonely Clark all alone in the barn. In a recent interview they gave, they didn't have a single uplifting word about Clark. It was all about his mistakes, his hurdles, that everything is his fault and so on. They just revel in that.

IMO they really have no business writing a superman story.

[Theshadow129x]

they can fix the show. they just need to deliver as far as plot points and character developement go. sometimes the show does this thing where the plot and the character developments are completely going in two different directions.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Clark is suppose to be a young man making mistakes to become Superman. That entails making mistakes on his part and emoness, otherwise we wouldn't have a story and we'd be watching TW already playing Superman. You have to go through hardship and learn tough lessons in order to become stronger.

[petitemimi]

Clark is suppose to be a young man making mistakes to become Superman. That entails making mistakes on his part and emoness, otherwise we wouldn't have a story and we'd be watching TW already playing Superman. You have to go through hardship and learn tough lessons in order to become stronger.

Yes, but it can't be JUST THAT. He has to find some joy in being who he is and doing what he does, and feeling a little bit appreciated by his friends, which wasn't the case at all in that episode. He was beaten, betrayed, criticized, second-guessed, insulted, yelled at, all by his friends and finally, morally broken. Too much angst and drama is too much angst and drama. There's got to be something uplifting to balance all the drama piled on his head.

[RedKRules]

IMO! Clark is just where he was at S1 .... the stalling on his character is beyond ridiculous.

[Night_Hawk90]

IMO! Clark is just where he was at S1 .... the stalling on his character is beyond ridiculous.

clark in season 1 was awesome he was very supermanly in that season possibly the most he has ever been on this show. i put clark kent (now) in s5 mode this is where the stalling began

[RedKRules]

clark in season 1 was awesome he was very supermanly in that season possibly the most he has ever been on this show. i put clark kent (now) in s5 mode this is where the stalling began

I think I wasn´t very clear ... I was talking about the whole identity conflicts, yes wanna be normal, no don´t want to be normal and all that ....

I also belive Clark was more Superman back then than he is today .... though.

[petitemimi]

I agree he was stalled in S6 and S7, but not in the first half of S8. S8 went downhill with the arc from hell and too much emphasis on wooby Davis. Talk about identity conflict.

[RedKRules]

But Davis actually had a BEAST inside of him ..... Clark doesn´t..... so it cannot even be compared.

[petitemimi]

Same or not, it didn't make it interesting for me in the least. I know Chlavis fans loved that story line, but I think it pretty much took over the second half of the season and it was repetitive.

[topping82]

Dear Souders and Peterson,

What you did to the characters of Davis Bloome, Chloe Sullivan, Oliver Queen and Clark Kent was horrific. In a story about the future Superman, Clark Kent should have been right about saving Davis. Everything this season led up to the redemption of Davis Bloome. And logically, if Black Kryptonite splits the good side from the bad side, then how would Davis (if he only had good qualities) turn into a psycho?

Superman is a story about hope, truth, justice, etc...DD was the opposite of that. Why turn the Justice League into vigilante terrorists who kill the villains like Lex and hunt Davis down? Why should Oliver (the one who killed Lex) be right? And Clark (Superman has always believed in humanity) be wrong?

The message of the episode was depressing and disturbing. What I also find distressing about this season is that you placed the street kids, orphans and foster kids into the roles of villains. That is a dangerous message to send out to our youth, one that I think needs to be rectified.

Davis fought for redemption, and if he had to die, then he could have died saving others making up for what he was. Then Oliver could have seen that Clark was right.

Why have an episode like Legion if it means nothing?

If I'm going to ever watch this show again, I think the character of Davis Bloome needs to be brought back and redeemed. And I think Clark Kent needs to become a real hero who continues to believe in humanity. He's not House. Superman is not a cynic. And for goodness sake, stop crapping on the beautiful character of Chloe Sullivan. It's just not funny at this point.

I mean, this is Superman, not some existential modernist work of fiction. If you want to write a show about why life is without hope and has no meaning then write it about some other character than Superman.

I know you have talent. You've written some great episodes. Just don't lose focus of the big picture. AKA that this is a show about Clark Kent becoming Superman.

In a show about Superman, people want to be filled with hope, not constant despair. I've never been so repulsed by an episode of any television show ever.

Please fix this by the season's premiere, or else I will tune out. And I won't be the only one.

--Amber

[Theshadow129x]

the producers said a while ago in tv guide that what happened to clark in season 8's finale would make him feel like he has to become superman, but i dont get how jimmy's death makes him head towards that landmark in his life. caring less for people makes u a superhero? i just didnt get the logic in the finale. while i do think he puts people on a pedestal, i dont think walking away from the people he cares for is the right choice.

[Kal26]

It isn't the right choice. It's just another attempt to drag things out. Now we have to sit through clark coming to the realization that he needs his human emotions for like the 20th time in this series. I'd much rather see him take up the role of Superman, and have a couple of seasons of good Superhero stories, than watch them drag out Clark reluctantly taking on the role of a hero. We get one step forward just to have to take 10 steps back. It's beyond old at this point.

[Aficionado]

I'm going to keep watching regardless since I am hopelessly addicted to this show. Nevertheless please no more retcons. they do nothing for the show and piss off those of us who have been watching from the beginning and can see all the plot holes. Also I want Clark to be the main focus and make him smart and proactive and while you're at it, let's have some Clois sex that would definitely be the icing on the cake. No more googly eyes, give us the real stuff.

[Theshadow129x]

I agree with both posts above me. The show doesnt need to try to attempt doing more retcons nor do things need to dragged out. I dont know. this season was as disappointing as season 5. Season 5 was good in the beginning with focusing on Clark's heritage but then after Johnathan died the show felt like things were being stalled for the benefit of making the story go on longer than it needed to.

Season 8 was becoming a great season at the beginning. Clark being active and the producers going on to write in odyssey that everything they were doing before was the wrong direction with how he felt about lana and stuff....only for them to turn him back into the child he was when she showed back up.

There were alot of things in the latter half of the season that was disappointing and none of it ever gets fixed just drawn upon.

[Kal26]

That's flippin' funny!

[Supermania]

I hope this thread gets deleted. I mean, it was a good episode. It did have some WHAT moments but it was overall good.

I agree. It was a good episode. And I will keep watching through the bad stuff, the hailstones, climb up those harsh mountains and treacherous terrain until I get to the good stuff! In other words, bring on Season Nine!