The Fight (all talk here, merged)

[ccs1986]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_pwDZHNAbU

[kryptonhero25]

You've got to be kidding me with that poor excuse of a fight. This was supposed to be the most epic battle in Smallville history especially with DOOMSDAY. The fight that led to the "death" of Superman. I am so dissapointed.

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[O'Neill]

The fight between Lois and Tess was much better....... should have gone on longer with more hair pulling.

[Carolina87]

I am speechless at how bad that was!!

[slifer151]

TERRIBLE!! The best of it all was seen in the trailer. Hardly worth watching the episode

[amandaa125]

Like seriously i was like...wait...is that it? so disappointing!

[Hakoon]

I can't believe I was pumped up for that...what a sorry excuse for a fight. Clark threw how many punches? Zero!! That was DD fighting and Clark reliving his football days...

[fan of the man]

I think sometimes we get caught up with the action and forget the story line they are trying to establish, I agree it wasn't much of a fight, but it was a great episode and it showed the struggle and true fight that Clark is having right now in becoming Superman.

[nicmar]

Yeah but what do you expect Smallville has never really delivered a big time superhero fight most of them end with Clark just shoving somebody so while I was disapointed I was not suprised

[kyl-el]

Its like they ran out of money or something. I feel betrayed by the lack of awesomeness I expected.

['Tonio09]

I am so pissed! THAT'S all we got?!?!?

[Kal El 12]

There was one whole issue that just had superman and doomsday fighitng... i mean clark didn't even get one offensive move in...... no punching.... no cold breathe... no heat vision.. nothing just doomsday punching clark in the face 100 times and clark picking him up and running with him....... this show just continues to dissapoint....

[jaysakic8]

I agree, not only was that a poor excuse for a fight between doomsday and clark, but it was the worst season finale that I can remember. Worst of all was the fight. Come on, that was like 30 seconds and how did Clark get Doomsday down and then get out...AT LEAST SHOW IT! Killing Jimmy and what looks like Davis becoming Zod...Just as bad. How did Davis's body get there (if it is him)? What happened with the orb? It did all that by itself? I have loved this show since day 1 and this was so disappointing.

[skylar]

Yeah the fight did SUCK bad!! It was to much in the episode.

[chloesmygirl]

That was a fight? It was joke more like it. That was supposed to be the greatest fight in Supermans history and that's all we got? :mad:

[zorasuperman]

i dont understand how killing jimmy will prove anything
davis bloome i am okay with
but jimmy is crucial to the mythos and to CK!! WTTTTTHH??

[Kal El 12]

I was screaming at the tv " cmon clark punch him do something" and all he was was a human punching bag.....

[MetroGirl06]

Yeah... I was all like, "Com 'on Clark! Unleash a can of Kryptonian whoop-arse on the horny guy attacking you!" But it didn't happen, lol. Aw well. Maybe next season.

[Liquid-Prince]

The fight itself was pretty great. It's the fact that it was so short... I was expecting at least another two minutes. I mean the Directors Cut version was longer.

[aceofclubs]

The fight was disappointing. Everything else about the episode was alright. I was so pumped for this fight that I may have put it up on a pedestal. We all know what happens when you put something on a pedestal, you get let down in the end.. :(

[SuperDude007]

We saw the entire fight in the directors cut. I seriously cant beleive the media and producers called that a "throw down". That was bad

[warriorrenegade]

It wasn't even a fight. It was just Clark getting his butt whooped. For all of what 30 secs? LOL IT was so bad...it shouldn't even be mentioned again...Seriously. LOL

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

I am extremely disappointed in the fight. I really, really hope the actual Clark/Doomsday fight is in the S9 Premiere.

Notice they never said anything about Doomsday? He is still alive.

[jaime,oburg]

I thought the fight scene in Beast was much better. What a dissappointment. I can't see that tptb needed to cut corners on that fight scene for because I don't see where else the money was spent in the finale.

[xrayvision]

That was pathetic to the pathetic power.

[NinaDavis]

LAME fight!!

[kyl-el]

I know it wasn't much of a fight, but did we get a short burst of flight from Clark?

[Spyderwalk]

Yeah...I've had enough of this jumping crap...as far as I'm concerned..he flew.

[eggie]

It was totally a jump, his biggest jump to date but still just a jump...hopefully we'll get flight next season as Clark is embracing his Kryptonian heritage.

[kryptonhero25]

The true sad thing is that after a really above average season for Smallville and a pretty good story and good effort from the producers, except for a few filler/slow episodes, it all culminated into absolutely nothing. We were tricked and teased for months on how great this fight was going to be. I am truly truly disappointed in that fight. It's really sad that the best fight we have ever seen was in "Combat" which was a mid-season episode if I remember correctly. They should've scratched all that lois/tess nonsense and allowed the fight to have some breathing room and not be rushed. You know what it wasn't even rushed, it was just poorly executed. I would've been a little more happy if we got the same small time but had an actualy duel and have Clark actually throw a punch or use any power. He used his speed and a super leap, WOW! An absolute dissapointment. How dare the producers, and any other media source deceive us and say how "epic" of a battle it was SUPPOSED to be. I can go on forever but I won't. I'll let the rest of you all chime in.

[O'Neill]

Sorry, but I dont consider that flying. That was a huge leap like he did when he was with Lois when she was under the control of that red kryptonite stuff, and he leaped from one rooftop to another.

Again, we've been let down on the whole flight issue. I still think he wont fly until he either dies, or finishes his kryptonian training as Jor-El told him.

[Karafan1]

I was expecting alot more from the Clark/Doomsday fight. It was a tad bit longer than the fight in "Bride" but it was still disappointing to me..

[vezz801]

i thought it was bad, but CONSIDER THIS: now doomsday is in the earth. and hes full doomsday. and clark has decided to be full-on superman. what does this mean? that at some point, they truly could do Death of Superman.

[LegendaryU2K]

I watch the cartoon superman vs doomsday or something like that, and then i watch smallville fight scene and was like? Do the writers take notes ?

That was a cool fight, but what 5 -10 seconds.

[Baron Karza]

Yeah. It was totally one of those "Hulk smash" jumps. He probably won't fly until the series finale.

[Starkiller]

So the whole season was building up to Clark and Doomsday fighting. That's what this whole season was. Turns out the fight between Clark with no powers and Lex was longer than the fight between Clark and the ultimate destroyer. That's fitting, ain't it?

[BROKENTOS]

yeah, it was pretty weak

[Liquid-Prince]

Why did they use the Super hearing washing out the screen effect for the punching and the tackle instead of the ripple. Would have looked so much cooler. The rest was awesome though. I can't believe that was the whole fight though, and I wish it was longer. Doom Zod should be epic.

[Super EJ]

YEEEEA!! He flew alright, i mean just look at it!! if he was to have jumped he would have gone straight up, not like all the way to a different city, he can't leap that tall, heck for that he could of just ran!! He flew and You Know it!! I guess Smallville producers wants to give us a heads up of wuts to come!! YAY!!!

[kyl-el]

Yeah. It was totally one of those "Hulk smash" jumps. He probably won't fly until the series finale.

Doomsday totally did one of those in this episode as well, and it looked very cheesy.

[superman07]

Like i said in the live countdown thread. Doomsday looked like a more pissed off version of a 90's Power Rangers villain. you guys know what I mean lol. As for the fight it was extremely pathetic. 'Oh let me fly but i'll call it jumping, into an warehouse and cause a massive explosion that destroys a beast that can withstand metal being stuck threw him'

[Lexsghost]

That was a huge jump and cool scene.

[Super EJ]

Oh and plus if u take a really good close look wen he flew/jumped he kind of turned to a different direction. Another reason why he wouldnt have just jumped.

[kp1984]

One punch from Clark to DD would have been nice but it did'nt happen. Was this the last epoisde or will there be a season nine?

[SupermanRox]

IMO that was flight. The first ever. Short burst but it was flying! Even my husband thought it was Clark flying.

[antx]

It really did look like flight.But he did push off really hard from the ground.It looked awesome on screen though.

[mr lane]

weve been getting hits of clark flying all season and theyve only been leaps

so i want to say he flew but we all know they'll call it a leap

like in crimson

[Kschreck]

It was just a weird leap.

[griffolyon12]

I think it was flight, but I'm not sure. Needed a few more closeups to truly answer that question.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

I think it was. It just "felt" like it.

[Tebow15]

I thought it was a VERY SHORT flight, a teaser.

[supermanofsteel.com]

I think he flew twice!! Once to get Doomsday to the plant and then again to escape the explosion!! I don't know could be wrong i guess.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

This is a spoiler, and a lot of people haven't got to watch it yet.

[Var-Zol]

no, he flew in the beginning when he was meeting up with rokk.

[susangail]

Yes.

[rebecavaldez]

No. It was just a jump!

[zorasuperman]

thats what i thought too and i was screaming up and down saying SUPERMANS FLYING and i told my sister what she thought and shes like meh its as close to flying as you can get but not flying he'll prolli fly real soon

[Lilah]

I'm holding on to flight... it was the only good part of that fight....

[Saph]

no, he flew in the beginning when he was meeting up with rokk.

I thought Rokk flew when he was visiting Clark?

IMO, that was a leap. If Clark flew, I would think that the camera would stay on him a little longer actually in the air (instead of straight down into a building).

[VicNew]

It was a flight. I got excited!!!! Not like Rokks but it's a start.

[jpfort1957]

Never thought the preview would be the entire fight. SAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Darth Pipes]

That fight was a massive disappointment. It's made even worse because the show has pulled off some good fights in the past. Remember the fight between Clark and Titan, played by Kane of the WWE? Now that was an awesome brawl in what was essentially a throwaway episode. TPTB should be absolutely embarrassed by what they put out tonight.

I'm totally expecting the Season 9 fight between Clark and ZodDoom to be about ten seconds and to resolve itself before the final commercial break.

[dru-zod2501]

I can't believe there are people who are surprised at any of this! This show doesn't know how to do a great fight, never has, never will.

[malchloefan]

The fight (if we can call it that) was truly awful. This is not how a showdown between two individuals should play out. Shows with smaller budgets have pulled off better fight scenes than this. Some simple fight choreography would have sufficed because they are equally matched. It is not necessary to have them every blow propel its target vast distances. On the plus side Chloe has been absolved from all wrongdoing, in Jimmy's (fake Jimmy's anyway) words she is as great a hero as Clark. Clark seems completely unable to learn any lessons, I don't think he warrants the title of hero at the moment. The only characters I have any respect for at present are Chloe, Lois and Tess.

[Dyanara]

I feel so sorry for those of you who were looking forward to the fight, that must be such a let down. I knew from seeing Bride that Clark could not beat Doomsday and wouldnt be able to hold his own against him in a fight.

[SuperDude007]

Unless in the season 9 premire they actually show us what went down between clark and doomsday. They obviously fought behind the scenes while everything was going on. I honestly dont think that the clark we saw at the end talking to chloe was the real clark.... just a ghost. I think there will be alot explained in the season 9 premire. then hopefully we will get the fight we were all waiting for

[dru-zod2501]

Yeah... I was all like, "Com 'on Clark! Unleash a can of Kryptonian whoop-arse on the horny guy attacking you!" But it didn't happen, lol. Aw well. Maybe next season.
:rotfl::rotfl:
naughty dangerous Clavis thoughts come to mind

[Forney2414]

You've got to be kidding me with that poor excuse of a fight. This was supposed to be the most epic battle in Smallville history especially with DOOMSDAY. The fight that led to the "death" of Superman. I am so dissapointed.

I didn't see Superman in that fight. Did you? I saw some alternate reality Red Blue Blur person or whatever they are calling him these days.

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The fight between Lois and Tess was much better....... should have gone on longer with more hair pulling.

QFT

[Bizarro345]

I honestly was shocked that I preferred the sunlight Bizarro and Clark fight in "Bizarro" over this.

[Patient101]

Smallville is the king of anti-climatic fights though, lets be honest. I thought this could be a great one but deep down I knew they would do this, if you think about it so did all of you. Anyone remember the bizzaro fight? They spent a while season setting it up and then I think it was like two seconds of clark getting thrown into a wall which allowed in sun which burned him up or something. The best we get is clarks amazing strategy of slamming his face into their fist for 10 seconds until some how they crumple... its the same song everytime.

[Raina]

The fight was weak.

[bychance]

Until he flies vertically with his arms stretched out, his hands in fists, I will not call that flying.

[Faerus]

Did Clark rlly killed Doomsday or he just left him on the LC labs??

[galatians221]

No matter what anyone says, no one can just jump into the air and land miles away at just the precise spot he has to land on. He had to utilize aerodynamics in order to arrive at the shaft to deposit DD. I can see where it's not pure flight but it's much more than a jump. He guided himself while in the air.

[Forney2414]

I don't think he flew during the fight but maybe after to get away.

"No matter what anyone says, no one can just jump into the air and land miles away at just the precise spot he has to land on. He had to utilize aerodynamics in order to arrive at the shaft to deposit DD. I can see where it's not pure flight but it's much more than a jump. He guided himself while in the air."

The Hulk could.

[Alicia Chipy]

Looked more like a Flying tackle using both his momentum and Doomsday.

[Leviathan]

I think it's a little hinky that it was such a precise jump that the landing was in the exact spot he needed to be. Also: he doesn't know how he got out of the hole so fast: maybe because he flew at sublight speed without realizing what he had done?

[jpfort1957]

Just a real strong leap. I guess we'll have to wait for the tights.

[Elle-El]

I think it's a little hinky that it was such a precise jump that the landing was in the exact spot he needed to be. Also: he doesn't know how he got out of the hole so fast: maybe because he flew at sublight speed without realizing what he had done?

My thoughts exactly!

[sts1285]

I didn't expect the death of superman arc, i'm actually glad for it, but that was just lame. It should have been an epic battle, not a school yard shoving match.

[Polomontana]

This was disappointing. I was ready to see a fight and it was almost over before it started. I enjoyed the storyline throughout the season but the fight was horrible. Also, how did Doomsday die? How can an explosion kill him?

I just knew there was going to be more to the fight, sadly there wasn't.

[Ella]

It was horrible and disappointing and I had been looking forward to that since the summer when we got word of a "Davis Bloom" character whom everyone wasted no time in asserting would be "Doomsday". What a disappointment.

[Kryppy]

Can anyone even tell me HOW the fight ended? Or if it's over at all?

Is Doomsday dead? Or alive but stuck underground?

Is Clark dead? That weird way he dissolved suggested maybe he's a ghost and doesn't know it.

All I know is that was a pretty short and lame fight considering we've been waiting a whole season for it.

[susangail]

He's imprisoned underground. Probably dead to start, but he'll come back to life. That's where he starts out at the beginning of the Death of Superman story, several years later.

[dimefan90]

he couldn't have just arrived at that exact spot if he leaped. it probably started out as a jump but he controlled his trajectory.

[vikingjedi]

I wouldn't even call that a fight. Clark never even threw a punch. I don't really get why they had this build up all season and then...nothing.

They did the same thing last year in the finale with Lex. We want to see Clark fight for once.

[Kal26]

That was a fight? I thought it was a super speed hug!:lol: I agree though, the whole season built up to nothing..........nothing but crap!

[targis]

Wasn't he flying at the start of the episode?

[xrayvision]

That was Rokk.

The "fight" was a ridiculous disappointment.

[Exedore]

:(

I think they should have kept that animated Clark in the "fight". At least we could get some laughs out of this episode. :/

[myankskent]

The budget is the reason why the fight sucked. I do have to say, though, that having Rokk fly in the beginning and showing Bart superspeeding is kind of a slap in the face to the Clark/Doomsday fight. You'd think that in an episode called "Doomsday", the entire budget would be put toward the fight that is supposed to be epic but no...TPTB couldn't possibly do that.

[Cogito17]

To quote myself from another topic...

My biggest problem with the fight was that there was no real sense of a climax. Knowing Smallville's budget/their history with fights on the show, my expectations were not too high to begin with, but I was still disappointed. The main problem is that what I would consider the "true climax" of the season (where Clark defeats Doomsday), took place in Offscreensville. Then, we are given some vague description by Clark at the end about getting Doomsday in the hole, and just being able to escape. They should have SHOWN us that, not TOLD us about it.

As far as Smallville fights go, that was only slightly above average in my opinion. Not the "titanic smackdown" it was built up to be, Clark didn't throw a single punch.

Edit: I agree with myankskent, I'm surprised they dedicated budget to the flight/Doomsday and Davis split, only to seemingly skimp in the Clark/Doomsday fight.

[xrayvision]

The budget is the reason why the fight sucked. I do have to say, though, that having Rokk fly in the beginning and showing Bart superspeeding is kind of a slap in the face to the Clark/Doomsday fight. You'd think that in an episode called "Doomsday", the entire budget would be put toward the fight that is supposed to be epic but no...TPTB couldn't possibly do that.

And this is the very reason I said that unless TPTB have a budget for an epic Doomsday fight, they should forget about bringing him on. I said this last summer when I first heard rumors of Doomsday & I was proven right.

DD was a waste of a villian based on how little interaction he was able to have with Clark throughout the season and how much the finale flopped.

[Supsfan]

$$$$$$$$$$

Beyond that, if they wanted to kill of Jimmy and Davis why not have Doomsday kill both of them. I would at least like to see there deaths have some meaning beyond making a useless Chloe/Jimmy/Davis scene.

2 guys killing eachother(and 2 guys from the credits to make things worse) just seems so Lana'ish

[KryptoKnight]

no, because I have faith that when he definitely flies, the show will make a big deal out of it, as they should.

[Dr. Blade]

no, because I have faith that when he definitely flies, the show will make a big deal out of it, as they should.

Exactly. And they will make a big deal out of it. They've made a big deal out of it, when he hasn't, for Pete's sake. Like Veritas, and Turbulence. Nope, they keep taunting us with jumps.

[alienkinfolk]

Does it cost that much to have CK throw punches with a man in a rubber suit. They could of had them tussle in the street. Or fall on some cars. Just sloppy.:mad:

[Unsound]

No. When he flies, we'll know it without a doubt. This was nothing more than another tease.

[superspider02]

Yea budget is always a killer on the show since i believe what season 5 when they started getting less and less. Now if they had the budget of say heroes(season 1/2) or lost boy we could have alot more going on.

[Dr. Blade]

It doesn't surprise me. What they should stop doing is overglorifying things. If they tell us there's going to be a smackdown, then we should get a smackdown. If it's going to be a two-minute tussel, maybe they should rethink their words.

[neoblackdragon]

It was not flight. Jumping doesnt always have to be straight up and down. You can move forward or backward. Clark made an upside down parabola. You may find it odd that Clark could be so precise but keep this in mind.

1) Clark had a plan
2) Give the distance up, Clark had enough time to adjust himself to land. Free fallers do it all the time. Though in this case, Clark wasnt worried about the landing.

[bebenecio]

$$$$?? I don't agree with that. Why instead of including a cat-fight between Lois and Tess, didn't they invest that money in the DD - CK fight??? Plus, what a GREAT plan, bury Doomsday under the ground?? Like he wouldn't be able to dig himself out. Duhhhhhh. This was a really weak episode, let alone a Season Finale.

[myankskent]

And this is the very reason I said that unless TPTB have a budget for an epic Doomsday fight, they should forget about bringing him on. I said this last summer when I first heard rumors of Doomsday & I was proven right.

DD was a waste of a villian based on how little interaction he was able to have with Clark throughout the season and how much the finale flopped.

Yup...and stay tuned because TPTB are already about to make the same mistake again by bringing back Zod. If we can't even get a good Clark/Doomsday fight in season 8, why would I possibly believe that we'll see anything even remotely cool with Zod next season? Zod's plan is to take over the world and that's kind of tough to show when TPTB have to film all Metropolis scenes on the same damn street all throughout season 8. What is Zod going to threaten to take over a coffee shop on that famous street next season?

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$$$$?? I don't agree with that. Why instead of including a cat-fight between Lois and Tess, didn't they invest that money in the DD - CK fight???


I don't think that the Lois and Tess fight cost anything. There were no special effects used there.



Plus, what a GREAT plan, bury Doomsday under the ground?? Like he wouldn't be able to dig himself out.


Let's hope he stays under the ground because there's no point in bringing Doomsday back when they clearly can't show a big fight between him and Clark.

[morphs]

That's too much of an aimed long jumped. He Flew.

WHOOT!

[acciobrain101]

I am so pissed that they actually showed all the fight in the freaking DC!!! It wasn't even a fight...what a disappointment. :mad:

[xrayvision]

Yup...and stay tuned because TPTB are already about to make the same mistake again by bringing back Zod. If we can't even get a good Clark/Doomsday fight in season 8, why would I possibly believe that we'll see anything even remotely cool with Zod next season? Zod's plan is to take over the world and that's kind of tough to show when TPTB have to film all Metropolis scenes on the same damn street all throughout season 8. What is Zod going to threaten to take over a coffee shop on that famous street next season?

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I don't think that the Lois and Tess fight cost anything. There were no special effects used there.



Let's hope he stays under the ground because there's no point in bringing Doomsday back when they clearly can't show a big fight between him and Clark.

I completely agree. Bringing back Zod is the worst, dumbest idea I have ever seen. That ship has sailed long ago. This is a move out of leftfield that makes no sense given what season 8 was all about. I mean, we have all the stuff with Davis/Doomsday, the RBB, Bruno Mannheim (which made me think Intergang--a great set of villians that would make the show like season 3 was--would show up in season 9), Tess, and the Injustice League, and now out of nowhere we get Zod?

This totally contradicts the original use of the orb. Had the orb been explained to be the Eradicator which in season 9 could have possessed Clark's Kal-El side like I hoped, it would have made sense based on its original purpose and could have given us a completely different character than any like we have seen before. Now it's just going to be another disappointed rehash of past crap that was flushed down the toilet after the epic failure that was the Doomsday character & episode.

I actually told my brother he should stay home to watch the Doomsday fight and he didn't. I'm so glad he didn't because he would have been on my case all night long.

[pookie83]

I can't believe this!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I could not agree with all of you more!!!!!!!! It is so disappointed to have seen this finale not live up to its expectations!! Doomsday vs Superman its one of the greatest and if not the best fight in DC comics history!! and its has been completely destroyed by this garbage of a scene!!!! if you want to see how it should have been done I urge you to please pick up the death of superman novel. That fight I promise will not disappoint and will even make you cry at the end.

[Theshadow129x]

i liked it....Clark really wasnt ready for him that scene proved that. Clark couldnt fight him so he had to come up with a solution to stop him. It was fine with me

[Kryptochloe]

Fight?? What fight?? There was a fight ???

About that two seconds on screen of Clark being beaten was... how can I say it? dissapointing, lame, a shame...

[Spirit Detective]

The problem with Smallville is the payoff. They build something up (especially this season) and then just fizzle out. I forgave the encounter in Bride, but this is just ridiculous. Clark gets pummeled by Doomsday and then a super tackle? Really?

I would have liked to see how Clark defeated Doomsday (instead of it happening offscreen).

[xrayvision]

The problem with Smallville is the payoff. They build something up (especially this season) and then just fizzle out. I forgave the encounter in Bride, but this is just ridiculous. Clark gets pummeled by Doomsday and then a super tackle? Really?

I would have liked to see how Clark defeated Doomsday (instead of it happening offscreen).

I think both got sucked in that hole thing and Clark was somehow killed in the process. We know that in Rokk's changed future as he revealed, Clark died stopping Doomsday since Earth was able to survive to the 31st century, which had Doomsday lived, wouldn't have happened.

What is total BS is how Doomsday would not be able to get out from that hole for 1000 years. In the comics, he ended up under the Earth after crashing from space & surfaced very quickly after to start destroying cities, and that's how his fight with Superman eventually came to be.

[devilicus rebel]

That was a huge let down. They built up this battle all season and it was over in about 1 minute. Not only that, but they showed the entire thing in advance on the directors cut so anyone who watched ruined the entire thing beforehand.

[targis]

I would have had Lana show up and fight DD and have him kill her while Clark watched unable to help her and had it end with her funeral instead of Jimmy's.

[Steve-El]

Clark had a much better fight with Bizarro in season 5 finale/season 6 premiere. At least he got in some punches. What the fo?

[Nuberman]

Does it cost that much to have CK throw punches with a man in a rubber suit. They could of had them tussle in the street. Or fall on some cars. Just sloppy.:mad:


THANK YOU!!! I was going through this thread looking for someone, anyone to state the obvious about these so called "budget constraints." I could understand if DD was a CGI character, but it's a dude in a rubber suit. What are they really paying for other than the film? (Is Smallville shot on film or on digital?)

This whole, "There's no budget for the fight." is lame. He didn't have to use powers. He could have had a few slow motion punches, some slams, some knees to the face....Is everyone really telling me that would cost that much money? Really?

On a side note, I think his "escape" from the DD burial will turn out to be flight. Clark will realize it later.

[alexjones50]

that's the problem, people were swaying they're hopes on the fight too much, frankly i don't really care, i'm more concerened with the story than fight scenes.

[MMPR20]

I really thought this was going to be the best season finale since "Commencement", but to me the whole episode was a major letdown. They wasted our time with this pathetic excuse for a fight. I guess I shouldn't be surprised, that's what happens when you get really excited about something and it ends up being a huge dissappointment. I know this is off-topic, but SPN's finale kicked our ass bigtime.

[xrayvision]

SPN's finale was spectacular. I can only imagine what Kripke would do with this show if he had a chance to work his magic.

I knew right from the start of this season that Supernatural was better than Smallville and it turned out to be true.

[skugers]

Oh, there was actually a fight???? I honestly didn't notice that:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[ElVibo]

I was screaming at the tv " cmon clark punch him do something" and all he was was a human punching bag.....

Although I'm disappointed in the Doomsday vs Clark fight that last less than 10 seconds, but I think Clark knew that Fighting Doomsday was impossible, he took a chance at it and super-leaped to trapped doomsday. We'll get a real fight when his superman.

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i liked it....Clark really wasnt ready for him that scene proved that. Clark couldnt fight him so he had to come up with a solution to stop him. It was fine with me

I agree. I'm more disappointed in the spoilers than what actually happened. I think the people who write the spoilers of Doomsday vs Clark fight over-hyped it way too much.

[Ragius]

This maybe was the most disappointing and pathetic fight ever on any show ever made. Then after this fight the show went really downhill. Terrible episode.

[wafflles87]

Oh, there was actually a fight???? I honestly didn't notice that:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yeah, I must have blinked while it was taking place.:rolleyes:

[Isabel14]

Somebody is telling me this was only a pre-fight..But this is Smallville, anything, and I mean it can happen

[ElVibo]

Look I agree, the Fight in itself wasn't epic. But I think fans were way too invested in the fight than invested in the actual storyline. Like I said before I think the spoilers were way too over-hyped and it influenced some fans to think there was going to be like a 5 minute battle between DD and Clark. Would I have preferred the fight to be a little longer? Yes

Apart from that the rest of the episode was good.

[Isabel14]

No, the problem was that everybody, including the producers promoted this fight a lot..And it dissapointed almost every fan

[dijonaise]

the fitght sucked - just like all the others - sooooo disappointing.

[JorEl23]

In a word: PITIFUL...

[LOONEY]

There was one whole issue that just had superman and doomsday fighitng... i mean clark didn't even get one offensive move in...... no punching.... no cold breathe... no heat vision.. nothing just doomsday punching clark in the face 100 times and clark picking him up and running with him....... this show just continues to dissapoint....

he's not SUPERMAN yet!!!!! That fight will happen at a later date this was their FIRST encounter, So he will be more powerful once he climbs out of the center of the Earth.

I can't believe we've been waiting 8 yrs to see him fly and he basiclly does it and then you all still whine about this....this was the best episode EVER!

[Hopefulsuicide]

Does Clark actually know how to punch?... In fact does he just forget about all of his powers during the really important moments? And why on earth did he let that women get thrown through a window when he could have caught her?

That wasn't a fight... that was just a pathetic excuse for a Superhero getting a bit of a beating from a pathetic excuse of a Doomsday...

[LoveHurts38]

Clark didn't even throw a punch for crying out loud.

[ElVibo]

No, the problem was that everybody, including the producers promoted this fight a lot..And it dissapointed almost every fan

Basically you just agreed with me that the fans were influenced by the promotions. Welcome to advertising and the power of influence and persuasion. The fight was one aspect of the whole episode. What did u think; that the whole episode was going to be a Clark vs Doomsday match? I agree the fight was lame, it was all 1 sided Clark didn't even get a proper hit in. But the fact still remains if people are going to judge the episode based on this fight scene which i really think wasn't a fight anyway than the viewers are just lame themselves. The episode wasn't great but the storyline was kept intact.

[Kton4]

I have waited all season to see Clark and Doomsday battle it out. And all we got was maybe a minute of a little fight. It was horrible. PLUS!! How did throwing Doomsday into some blowing up buildings "kill" him. its flippin Doomsday!!!!


POOR POOR WRITING!!!!!

[Hopefulsuicide]

Yeah I thought it was just Doomy and Clark being blown up in some factories, but it seems that it had something to do with the geothermic blah blah blah hole in the ground, buried alive thing that made no sense, and the only way to get it down there was for the JL to blow some stuff up...

Yeah it makes no sense... and it needed to...

[DarkClone]

that fight was a JOKE!! please, a couple of lame punches, and then a huge jump right into the hole in the ground . . . terrible

And no, he didn't fly, he jumped when he took Doomday into the hole, and I don't think he flew out of it either, he'll learn to fly in his training

[Cogito17]

It wasn't just the promotions that hyped the fight. The show itself did that throughout the season. They referred to Doomsday as the "ultimate destroyer" and talked about how Clark and Doomsday would kill one another. The fight was supposed to be the climax of the Doomsday story this season, and it was, well, anti-climactic.

It's like the show ending without Clark becoming Superman, then turning around to say "well, you were just influenced by the promotions". I see where you are coming from to an extent, but the show has to deliver on it's promises (both in the show, and in advertising) to a greater degree than I thought it did with the Clark/Doomsday fight.

[Yoshua]

Wow, I must be alone in thinking the fight scene was perfect.


If clark would have toed to toed with Doomsday he would be dead right now, he is fighting something that not only accepts its destiny is to kill Clark, but has full range of his abilities. Including being immune to kryptonite.


The fact that Clark managed to super jump/fly Doomsday to the spot he was supposed to get him was fantastic. It showed growth in his abilities. Doomsday could rip clarks spleen out if given the chance. Clark isn't superman yet, and Doomsday shouldn't even be IN this series in this time frame. They managed to lock doomsday away until he can emerge and until Clark will be able to fight him the way he is supposed to.




My problem with the epsiode isn't the fight.... It's wheres lois?

[Hero Complex]

Maybe 'lining up with the mythos' means burying Doomsday so that he can break out of some 'prison' like he seemed to in the comic books. Also as disappointed as I was in the fight, I mean hell how does Super Powered Jonathan Kent put up the best fight against Clark in the series' history? It CAN'T be it.

We know who showed up at the end of the episode and they are tied together in these mythos. Doomsday isn't gone, Smallville usually gives some kind of definitive end to these villains if they are truly gone and I don't think burying Doomsday is definitive.

He's coming back ....








I hope.

[costas22]

I didn't want anyone of the two to die but i was hoping that we would get a bigger fight. The spoiled all of it in the director's cut!

[baltazor]

No Clark didn't fly. He super leaped in a more major way. And the fact that they brought Rokk flying they are rubbing it to our faces. Why waste budget money on Rokk flying???? What is the point?????? They could have given some of those precious dollars and have Clark throw a punch or two.....

[Kevin24]

For what it was the fight was pretty good. I felt the energy and the epicness of the whole scene. It was obvious that Doomsday was much to strong for Clark right now but he did fight back and threw him down to the bottom of the earth. For what they showed it was pretty good the only downside is that it was too short.

If it ran on for a couple minutes longer with Clark and Doomsday battling and then have that final leap then it would have been much better. Overall the fight was good but the length was disappointing.

[Rift]

Dammit. I sneezed and missed the whole fight. Guess I'll follow the you tube link and hope that I don't blink or something.

[EternalRage]

I'm so sick of Clark's "fights". Alot of the times he never throws a single punch. He does this weird football tackle with the stronger bad guys, and just shoves the weaker ones.

Granted, he hasn't battled all the villians in the mythos to develop some sort of fighting skill, but come on, even I knew how to throw a crappy haymaker in high school.

[baltazor]

There is a glimmer of hope in all of this. Clark finally embraces fully his kryptonian side, and DD not being dead gets out of his deeeeeeeeeeep grave and comes for seconds. I always thought Clark wasn't ready for an enemy of the magnitude DD was, and the truth is he was nowhere near ready to face an enemy like him. As he wasn't ready to face Zod in season 6. Zod kicked his @$$ big time. In the end he resorted to the use of his father crystal to defeat him. And since the DD battle is all physical, i would like to see Clark being ready for it.

[dijonaise]

he's not SUPERMAN yet!!!!! That fight will happen at a later date this was their FIRST encounter, So he will be more powerful once he climbs out of the center of the Earth.

I can't believe we've been waiting 8 yrs to see him fly and he basiclly does it and then you all still whine about this....this was the best episode EVER!

sure - he's not superman yet. but if i were thrown into the ring with mike tyson...sure, i know that i'd get my ass handed to me, but i'd at least throw a punch or 2 while trying to develop a plan.

as for the flying thing - it's just stupid that he's not doing it yet. i mean at first - yeah...we got it; he wasn't ready to embrace it or whatever.
but now...it's just stupid. he knows he can do it. it isn't an issue of fear of heights anymore - hell, he's superjumped a thousand times it seems, and done fine.

it just needs to happen - but...it won't

[Steve-El]

This just proves to show just exactly what Clark said in episode: Eternal. And I quote - "Didn't turn out to be much of a fight." Last night's episode didn't have much of a fight.

[Weez-El]

So I'm watching the finale again, and I really zoned in on it this time; why didn't Clark fight back at all when Doomsday was pummeling him? I mean, in the comics, Superman basically states that he'll beat Doomsday to death before he lets the monster destroy any more of Earth. Clark just gets that really miffed face, like he was just about to make such a vow, and then gets thrown across town.

A long, drawn out fight would have been cool to see, although I don't know how it would advance the story at all. That being said, still, you'd think Clark'd still try and at least take a couple of swings.

[Superman of Krypton]

Because he's Clark..


And he's not Superman

[Spyderwalk]

Ok...so fine...freaking Doomsday manages to get one awesome hit to Clark's face. So awesome in fact that the left side that he hits doesn't have a mark on it when Clark lands in the shop, but the right side of his face is messed up bad! That's an amazing hit in my opinion...and totally plausible in this alternate reality.

[LJ-90]

Ok...so fine...freaking Doomsday manages to get one awesome hit to Clark's face. So awesome in fact that the left side that he hits doesn't have a mark on it when Clark lands in the shop, but the right side of his face is messed up bad! That's an amazing hit in my opinion...and totally plausible in this alternate reality.

:rotfl: I didn't saw that!

But you're right, he should've hit back.

But he is Clark, he is dumb.

Really, is Tom a peacifist or something?

[xfullmetalx]

Ok it was not amazing but far better than most shows heroes does not even show fight sense sometimes like in there finale. So really were better off then most super hero type shows.

[HeroesUnlimited]

What fight?

[Cyclonekat]

there were four punches from Doomsday, and a piledrive/superjump by Clark...
yeah...I've seen more epic fights in the grocery section of Walmart.

[prodigykane]

it wasn't even a fight

[REebee52]

A lot of people here were naturally disappointed with what was supposed to be a climactic battle between Clark and Doomsday. Many have speculated, perhaps correctly, that this was due to a small budget. They just couldn't afford to do the fight. Here's the problem: it doesn't take a lot of money to choreograph a good fight.

They seem to think that a good fight has to have every punch wreck walls or send the other flying. Not so. Yes these are two super-powered beings wailing on each other, but they can occasionally just hit each other. A lot. Every now and then, sure, smack them through a wall. Have them hit each other with cars, whatever. But basically, you can stage it like a regular fight and use other tricks to show intensity. The Clark-Titan fight way back when knocked down a concrete pillar. That was pretty much the most intense special effect used in that fight. But it was five minutes long, and is Smallville's best to date. It's a furious fight, and we see their power through lighting and other tricks. Sure there are some slow motion punches, but it's typically just a powerful street-fight. I wanted that for Doomsday. When Doomsday kneed Clark three times? Clark didn't fly up in the air, no special effects needed. Just do more of that, make the fight longer and climactic. We could have had a great fight with the same money spent on special effects.

[SpitCurl]

Exactly. Paying the choreographer would be the most expensive thing they needed to do.

I'm ok with it not being the decisive fight- I get that. Clark isn't Superman yet- but like I keep saying the guy could've at least thrown a punch. Punching is cheaper than flying a stunt-man on wires to simulate Clark tossing a dude across the room.

Add sound effects, maybe a camera-shake, and that's it. It's not overly-complicated.

[SnowBird]

I was disappointed that the fight wasn't longer but not to the point that others were. It seems to me that the budget could be the reason why it wasn't longer. As the saying goes 'time is money' and even a few more punches and dragging out the fight for a few more minutes takes a lot of TIME. While the Doomsday character probably had all the time to make a longer fight, Welling didn't. He was in half of the episode and had to be in other places in other scenes. There was a lot going on in Doomsday like most finales and unlike Clark in Smallville, TW is only human and can only do so much. I know this explanation isn't going to make people accept the lack of an epic battle but at least it is something to think about.

[REebee52]

I was disappointed that the fight wasn't longer but not to the point that others were. It seems to me that the budget could be the reason why it wasn't longer. As the saying goes 'time is money' and even a few more punches and dragging out the fight for a few more minutes takes a lot of TIME. While the Doomsday character probably had all the time to make a longer fight, Welling didn't. He was in half of the episode and had to be in other places in other scenes. There was a lot going on in Doomsday like most finales and unlike Clark in Smallville, TW is only human and can only do so much. I know this explanation isn't going to make people accept the lack of an epic battle but at least it is something to think about.

I'm not entirely sure what your point is. That there was too much in this episode to have a long fight? That Clark couldn't spend his time fighting Doomsday?

If that's true, then re-write the episode. Finale's are both climaxes to a season and a springboard to the next. This was neither.

[LJ-90]

I was disappointed that the fight wasn't longer but not to the point that others were. It seems to me that the budget could be the reason why it wasn't longer. As the saying goes 'time is money' and even a few more punches and dragging out the fight for a few more minutes takes a lot of TIME. While the Doomsday character probably had all the time to make a longer fight, Welling didn't. He was in half of the episode and had to be in other places in other scenes. There was a lot going on in Doomsday like most finales and unlike Clark in Smallville, TW is only human and can only do so much. I know this explanation isn't going to make people accept the lack of an epic battle but at least it is something to think about.

Mmm...maybe your right.

But, a fight in an small budget it's not that hard.

Check this out, it's amazing for a YOUTUBE VIDEO budget, it probably can put SV and Dragon Ball:Evolution to shame...about fights scenes at least.

Check it since the half and you'll be :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF4MX0N9lnM&feature=related

[wafflles87]

ITA.

Give me a DD costume and 5000$ and I can make a better fight than this.

[SpitCurl]

I was disappointed that the fight wasn't longer but not to the point that others were. It seems to me that the budget could be the reason why it wasn't longer. As the saying goes 'time is money' and even a few more punches and dragging out the fight for a few more minutes takes a lot of TIME...

Well, how about you take out the time and money needed to have TW pretend to catch a car? We already know he's strong, no? There's time/money for atleast 2 punches right there. I'm sure prepping to pretend to punch a big guy in a suit is a lot easier than the precision needed to mime catching a CGI car, and less espensive.

Or, take out the opening scene w/Rokk, which is probably the one thing that could've happened off screen (here's how: Clark finds a note w/a another ring inside and a message: "Tomorrow is the day you die. Send Doomsday to the future. Or else. We're ready.") Not as implausible as them contacting each other when Clark had no ring. Perhaps Rokk came back and left it, but we didn't need to see him. That converstion took how long? Long enough for Clark to throw a few punches :cool: And did Rokk need to fly? Also not cheap, and another slap in the face to people who are sick of seeing every character but Clark fly. We get it. He's not ready, blah blah blah. OK, great, but save that effect. It's diminished when we keep seeing everyone else do it.

I could go on pointing out all the places the producer's could've saved money in this one episode alone, and most of them weren't hyped for the course of the year.

[LJ-90]

ITA.

Give me a DD costume and 5000$ and I can make a better fight than this.

5000? I just need 2 000...the rest I would probably spend it in food or something.

[Rizarro]

I agree. Just look at the Lana vs. Tess fight and the Lois vs. Tess fight. Did we see any special effects during these two fights? No.

I'll admit it, I LOVE the destruction caused from fights. I LOVE the breaking of walls, throwing big stuff around, shattering of concrete and glass, etc. That's actually what I liked about the Clark vs. Doomsday fight, the destruction. But, we didn't need destruction for every single hit. We could've seen Clark just smacking DD. DD choking Clark against the wall and then smack him to the ground. Clark and DD hitting each other. Etc. I have this feeling Doomsday will return, we even have the rumor of a bigger guy, a wrestler, coming to Smallville (I think I even heard he was gonna replace Dario Delacio, but I'm not sure.). He might play a bigger, deadlier, and more dangerous Doomsday. So yeah, you don't need a special effects for every single hit on a fight scene. For a first round, it was ok; but we seriously need round two for a bigger, LONGER, more satisfying fight. Hoping for more Doomsday in Season 9! :D

[wafflles87]

5000? I just need 2 000...the rest I would probably spend it in food or something.

5000 is my fee :lol:

I have most of the things needed for a better fight in my back yard.

[SnowBird]

I'm not entirely sure what your point is. That there was too much in this episode to have a long fight? That Clark couldn't spend his time fighting Doomsday?

If that's true, then re-write the episode. Finale's are both climaxes to a season and a springboard to the next. This was neither.

Mostly that Tom Welling couldn't spend time fighting Doomsday. Even a few more minutes of the fight would have taken a lot of time and money.

A little too late for a re-write so my motto is don't cry over spilt milk.

I loved the Titan fight but this episode wasn't filmed in so many different places and I don't think time was so much of an issue and probably the budget was bigger at that time.

Maybe there should have been an episode (not the finale) where the Clark/DD battle could have been it's soul storyline. Just a thought.

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Well, how about you take out the time and money needed to have TW pretend to catch a car? We already know he's strong, no? There's time/money for atleast 2 punches right there. I'm sure prepping to pretend to punch a big guy in a suit is a lot easier than the precision needed to mime catching a CGI car, and less espensive.

Or, take out the opening scene w/Rokk, which is probably the one thing that could've happened off screen (here's how: Clark finds a note w/a another ring inside and a message: "Tomorrow is the day you die. Send Doomsday to the future. Or else. We're ready.") Not as implausible as them contacting each other when Clark had no ring. Perhaps Rokk came back and left it, but we didn't need to see him. That converstion took how long? Long enough for Clark to throw a few punches :cool: And did Rokk need to fly? Also not cheap, and another slap in the face to people who are sick of seeing every character but Clark fly. We get it. He's not ready, blah blah blah. OK, great, but save that effect. It's diminished when we keep seeing everyone else do it.

I could go on pointing out all the places the producer's could've saved money in this one episode alone, and most of them weren't hyped for the course of the year.

You have valid points but then there would be people complaining about what wasn't in the episode that they enjoy...LOL

[closertohome]

I think part of the reason was the budget, and part of the reason was wanting to save the real battle for whenever Doomsday returns to fight Superman. Sure, I would've liked seeing a few more punches, but I don't blame them for setting up and saving the real battle for the future. I place more blame in the channel and the writing hyping up the fight.

I could've done without Rokk flying. Wasn't really necessary. Could've just shown stock footage of Metropolis, then cut to him landing on the roof where Clark is.

[Cogito17]

Ironically the director of "Combat" (James Marshall) also directed "Doomsday". I wonder how much creative control he had over how each of the fights was portrayed though.

Big fights have never been Smallville's forte, so when they said there would be a big confrontation between Clark and Doomsday, I took it with a gain of salt. Nonetheless, I would say the fight we got was lackluster, though slightly above Smallville average (see Davis/Clark in the fortress in Beast).

I also did think it was strange that they dedicated budget to the Rokk Flight, the Doomsday/Davis split, and the lights show from the orb at the end, when the big attraction was the Clark vs. Davis confrontation. I wouldn't even mind the whole season being 2 or so episodes shorter, if it would have meant better quality for the showdown in the finale.

[SpitCurl]

...You have valid points but then there would be people complaining about what wasn't in the episode that they enjoy...LOL

Not necessarily. I've heard enough people point out the uselessness of Rokk's visit to surmise it wouldn't be missed. From a story-telling standpoint all they need was to get Clark a new ring (which, if we're being honest, he didn't need to destroy the first time. Hiding it in the fortress would've sufficed). So it's bad writing, waste of time/money.

The car catching is unnecessary for story. A neat gimmick but not integral. Him swatting DD in the mouth would've been better served. A one-sided fight is not really a fight.

There's also the JL. Everyone but Oliver was unnecessary. Even his arc was ridiculous (Oliver shoots him, leaves him with an arrow in his back, does nothing to redeem himself but is suddenly trustworthy again).

At the end of the day it's all still a matter of... (wait for it...) BAD WRITING!!! YAY!!! :D

[SnowBird]

Not necessarily. I've heard enough people point out the uselessness of Rokk's visit to surmise it wouldn't be missed. From a story-telling standpoint all they need was to get Clark a new ring (which, if we're being honest, he didn't need to destroy the first time. Hiding it in the fortress would've sufficed). So it's bad writing, waste of time/money.

The car catching is unnecessary for story. A neat gimmick but not integral. Him swatting DD in the mouth would've been better served. A one-sided fight is not really a fight.

There's also the JL. Everyone but Oliver was unnecessary. Even his arc was ridiculous (Oliver shoots him, leaves him with an arrow in his back, does nothing to redeem himself but is suddenly trustworthy again).

At the end of the day it's all still a matter of... (wait for it...) BAD WRITING!!! YAY!!! :D

You are unhappy with the episode, I get it. Can't please everyone. This is the first time I saw a complaint about Rokk. I thought he was cool and I liked his participation even though it was short. I just wished it was Clark flying over Metropolis. Hope for the future.

[SpitCurl]

You are unhappy with the episode, I get it. Can't please everyone. This is the first time I saw a complaint about Rokk. I thought he was cool and I liked his participation even though it was short. I just wished it was Clark flying over Metropolis. Hope for the future.

Really? Did you see the couple of posts above mine? :cool:

Anywho, Id' say disappointed more than unhappy. As someone who writes part-time I'm seeing all the very basic things that you just don't do. And these people are making far more money at it than I.

However, you, Snowbird, are by far my favorite poster. You're always very polite, articulate, and I enjoy your discourses. Keep up the great work :)

[SnowBird]

Really? Did you see the couple of posts above mine? :cool:

Anywho, Id' say disappointed more than unhappy. As someone who writes part-time I'm seeing all the very basic things that you just don't do. And these people are making far more money at it than I.

However, you, Snowbird, are by far my favorite poster. You're always very polite, articulate, and I enjoy your discourses. Keep up the great work :)

I guess I missed those Rokk comments. You have to take into consideration that I'm a senior citizen with bad eyesight...LOL...Thanks for the compliment. I have enjoyed our little debates. Can't say that about everyone. Take Care:)

[prodigykane]

A lot of people here were naturally disappointed with what was supposed to be a climactic battle between Clark and Doomsday. Many have speculated, perhaps correctly, that this was due to a small budget. They just couldn't afford to do the fight. Here's the problem: it doesn't take a lot of money to choreograph a good fight.

They seem to think that a good fight has to have every punch wreck walls or send the other flying. Not so. Yes these are two super-powered beings wailing on each other, but they can occasionally just hit each other. A lot. Every now and then, sure, smack them through a wall. Have them hit each other with cars, whatever. But basically, you can stage it like a regular fight and use other tricks to show intensity. The Clark-Titan fight way back when knocked down a concrete pillar. That was pretty much the most intense special effect used in that fight. But it was five minutes long, and is Smallville's best to date. It's a furious fight, and we see their power through lighting and other tricks. Sure there are some slow motion punches, but it's typically just a powerful street-fight. I wanted that for Doomsday. When Doomsday kneed Clark three times? Clark didn't fly up in the air, no special effects needed. Just do more of that, make the fight longer and climactic. We could have had a great fight with the same money spent on special effects.

ITA

[Krypto_marcus]

A lot of people here were naturally disappointed with what was supposed to be a climactic battle between Clark and Doomsday. Many have speculated, perhaps correctly, that this was due to a small budget. They just couldn't afford to do the fight. Here's the problem: it doesn't take a lot of money to choreograph a good fight.

They seem to think that a good fight has to have every punch wreck walls or send the other flying. Not so. Yes these are two super-powered beings wailing on each other, but they can occasionally just hit each other. A lot. Every now and then, sure, smack them through a wall. Have them hit each other with cars, whatever. But basically, you can stage it like a regular fight and use other tricks to show intensity. The Clark-Titan fight way back when knocked down a concrete pillar. That was pretty much the most intense special effect used in that fight. But it was five minutes long, and is Smallville's best to date. It's a furious fight, and we see their power through lighting and other tricks. Sure there are some slow motion punches, but it's typically just a powerful street-fight. I wanted that for Doomsday. When Doomsday kneed Clark three times? Clark didn't fly up in the air, no special effects needed. Just do more of that, make the fight longer and climactic. We could have had a great fight with the same money spent on special effects.

I completely agree with this post. They don't have to make "blurs" everytime they hit each other and they don't have to fly trough walls everytime, they could just show them punch each other without effects added. Of course I love destruction as much as everyone else, cars flying around, glass shattering and stuff like that but they don't need to have that for every single hit.

[connorkent]

A lot of people here were naturally disappointed with what was supposed to be a climactic battle between Clark and Doomsday. Many have speculated, perhaps correctly, that this was due to a small budget. They just couldn't afford to do the fight. Here's the problem: it doesn't take a lot of money to choreograph a good fight.

They seem to think that a good fight has to have every punch wreck walls or send the other flying. Not so. Yes these are two super-powered beings wailing on each other, but they can occasionally just hit each other. A lot. Every now and then, sure, smack them through a wall. Have them hit each other with cars, whatever. But basically, you can stage it like a regular fight and use other tricks to show intensity. The Clark-Titan fight way back when knocked down a concrete pillar. That was pretty much the most intense special effect used in that fight. But it was five minutes long, and is Smallville's best to date. It's a furious fight, and we see their power through lighting and other tricks. Sure there are some slow motion punches, but it's typically just a powerful street-fight. I wanted that for Doomsday. When Doomsday kneed Clark three times? Clark didn't fly up in the air, no special effects needed. Just do more of that, make the fight longer and climactic. We could have had a great fight with the same money spent on special effects.


Your overlooking one thing, the cost of adding effects to the Doomsday Costume and all the other background effects. If you watch the Directors cut you'll notice the Doomsday costume is essentially just grey latex, the main detail is put in afterwards with computer generated effects. This is also true for lot of the background shots. Everytime a punch is thrown this would entail the camera cutting to another angle, this means for each angle effects would have to be rendered for both the costume and the backdrop, which equals money and time. Its not as simple or as cheap as it seems.

[wolverine316]

You'll noticed that both Buffy and Angel which are better shows than Smallville in my opinion also had to deal with a limited budget but always come up with awesome fight scenes. Not saying that Clark has to learn kung-fu but 1 or 2 punch fights are really insulting to your audience. TPTB are just not smart enough to pick their spots of where the money should really be used for. I didn't think there was a need for the Justice League at all. The money could have been used for the fight scenes. You don't build something up for half your season only to fall flat like that. I am beginning to think Al/Miles could have done better.

[baltazor]

When you bring DD on the show you plan your budget accordingly. With the money you have been given you make sure the finale (and the opener) get twice as much as the regular episodes. Afterwards you don't bring so many regulars. GA shouldn't be a regular. The role of Chloe could be diminished too. IMO she has given all she could as a character to the show (and even more). She really didn't need to be in all 22 episodes. Only Clark does. Then when you reach the finale you don't waste money on Rokk flying... That pissed me off very much. He could just have appeared and talked to Clark. He didn't need to fly. These are a few things TPTB could do to save a lot of money... And if you are unable to do those things, just don't bring DD or any enemy like him when you cannot deliver their ultimate goal for being on the show. DD shouldn't come to be another actor whom you have to pay, and then connect him to the veritas arc. DD and Clark should coexist for one reason and one reason alone !!!! THE FIGHT !!!!!

[blackmery]

haha....there is crisis in the world ) and they have no money to spend on some greater special effects =D

[Bizarrolover]

The fight was lame. It was badly coreographed and the effects were bad. Clark didn't even throw a punch. He didn't use any of his powers. Instead of Doomsday throwing him away, they could have done it different. Clark shooting a beam of heat vision at Doomsday's face while he was holding him, doomsday releasing him and Clark making the monster ran after him, taking him away from the crowd. But I guess that would make Clark look smart, and that's not the point.

I think the Lois and Tess catfight had more action than the Clark/doomy fight. Why bringing the league if they weren't going to use their powers against dooms? Bart is the fastest being on the planet, how did Doomy managed to knock him off? Why bringing Black Cannary if she was not going to scream? she doesn't even have superstrength, so unless she starts screaming, she's pointless against doomsday.

Yet, that's what we got. The climax of this episode was the watchtower scene, Davis and Jimmy killing each other because of Chloe while the epic fight between Clark and doomsday was a 5 second shot of a recicled scene from Justice. It wasn't even clear of happened there and I didn't get that that was the geothermal hole until Clark mentioned it to Chloe. Was it so expensive to add a 3 second shoot them falling down down the hole to make it more clear?

I think we have to get used to this. The show is getting cheap.

[REebee52]

When you bring DD on the show you plan your budget accordingly. With the money you have been given you make sure the finale (and the opener) get twice as much as the regular episodes. Afterwards you don't bring so many regulars. GA shouldn't be a regular. The role of Chloe could be diminished too. IMO she has given all she could as a character to the show (and even more). She really didn't need to be in all 22 episodes. Only Clark does. Then when you reach the finale you don't waste money on Rokk flying... That pissed me off very much. He could just have appeared and talked to Clark. He didn't need to fly. These are a few things TPTB could do to save a lot of money... And if you are unable to do those things, just don't bring DD or any enemy like him when you cannot deliver their ultimate goal for being on the show. DD shouldn't come to be another actor whom you have to pay, and then connect him to the veritas arc. DD and Clark should coexist for one reason and one reason alone !!!! THE FIGHT !!!!!

Agreed. And if you're going to spend money on someone flying, make it Clark.

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----


Your overlooking one thing, the cost of adding effects to the Doomsday Costume and all the other background effects. If you watch the Directors cut you'll notice the Doomsday costume is essentially just grey latex, the main detail is put in afterwards with computer generated effects. This is also true for lot of the background shots. Everytime a punch is thrown this would entail the camera cutting to another angle, this means for each angle effects would have to be rendered for both the costume and the backdrop, which equals money and time. Its not as simple or as cheap as it seems.

Good points, of course. But I just think, as someone said, if your plan is to bring in Doomsday on a limited budget, you should allocate your funds so that it ends in a brawl.

[wafflles87]

I think we have to get used to this. The show is getting cheap.

There's "getting cheap", and then there's "lacking the money to buy a video camera so we'll shoot with Tom Welling's cellphone" which is where the show is headed I believe.

[baltazor]

Agreed. And if you're going to spend money on someone flying, make it Clark.

That goes without saying....

[sithius]

I made a thread exactly like this a few days back and of course ITA. It's quite ridiculous.

If someone punched me in the chest, and I wasn't ready for it, I would fall back. If I was prepared for it, I would stand my ground (perhaps stumble a little of course). The same can be said here. If Clark wasn't ready for DD to hit him he'd fly through a wall (much like he did in the fight) but he should have been totally ready for it, and I'm sure he was, in which case it should have just been a normal smack to the face. The comics show this point particularly well, and in the JLA cartoon, it was like this a lot. Just look at the Doomsday and Superman movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Noedf3JhFYA

We don't see every punch sending him through walls! Point proven. The only time he's really sending Superman flying is when he lifts him up into the air and then hits him. Clark had his feet on the ground when he got punched by Dooms, which makes things completely different. Watch around 1:45, is every punch sending DD flying? What about when Supes is laying into him around 4:15? Same thing... why didn't they do it on SV?

It may be a cartoon, but in terms of physics, it's actually more realistic than what we see in SV.

EDIT: Interestingly, watching that clip (around 7:00) we see the classic 4 punches to the stomach that we saw in SV... exactly the same position. Then there's a little girl, LOL. Blatant copy. Only difference? Superman was a hero in this clip and the fight was badass!

[myankskent]

We could have had a great fight with the same money spent on special effects.

It would require some creativity, but yes, it is possible. I do think that it is unrealistic to expect this show to produce a Clark/Doomsday fight that can compare to the comics and animated version. Obviously the budget is going to have an impact on the fight. However, when TPTB decided to bring Doomsday onto this show, they should've made sure that the fight between Clark and Doomsday was bigger than anything that they have offered us on Smallville, period. It doesn't have to be as cool as the fights in the other versions, but it should've gone above and beyond the Clark/Titan fight. Think about it, Titan was a one episode villain. Doomsday is a season long villain with a lot of development. It really is ridiculous that a fight between Clark and a one episode villain blows away the fight between Clark and Doomsday. That's what makes it look cheap.

I'm not going to sit here and say that "Phantom" was a great finale. It was much better than "Doomsday", but it had it's problems. However, what TPTB did in this episode was what I expected to see in "Doomsday". They gave us a brief Clark/Bizarro fight and ended the episode with Clark being thrown out of the dam with Bizarro flying toward the screen. That's a season finale cliffhanger! Then in the season 7 premier, they gave us more of the fight between Bizarro and Clark. They split the fight up between the finale and the premier and that was a smart way to use the budget. I just don't understand what TPTB were thinking with "Doomsday". It's almost as if they got so bored with Doomsday that they just wanted him gone from the show as quickly as possible before any real payoff was given, so they had Clark get rid of him and quickly had Zod return. If you want to bring back Zod, bring Zod back next season but this episode should've had some kind of cliffhanger with Doomsday.

[Aries83]

Here we go with the "budget" excuse. If they were having budget problems, would they still be here? It wasn't a budget problem, it was a majorly flawed script that screwed it all up.

[AnimeJoe]

Here we go with the "budget" excuse. If they were having budget problems, would they still be here? It wasn't a budget problem, it was a majorly flawed script that screwed it all up.

I don't think it could be a budget thing because earlier in the same episode Lois and Tess had a much more kicka$$ fight than Clark and Doomsday.

[Kal26]

It's not the budged. They've had plenty of fights on the show that were better than this one. Hell, all the fights on this show have been better than this one.

[tippership commander]

1. It was a superjump. Was it a jump? no. Was it flight? not technically.

it was a hybrid, which clark has been mastering.

THis has been his best to date
its a CONTROLLED jump where he can influence it, but not enough to geneate lift once already in the air on a PARABOLIC path.


B. the fight

ALl you guys bashing smallville...i feel like some one up high who's reading these comments will axe smallville prematurely just because of them..

the fight..... it was OVERHYPED.

there is the #2 explanation , about realistically, the clark and doomsday fight

QUIT SAYING that this was supposed to be the most epic battle in his history!

ITS NOT

THAT BATTLE IS YET TO COME!!!!


as for his other fights, lets go dow nthe list shall we?


#1. JLU-Doomsday sanction- cartoon, pretty cheap to animate a superfight

....nah, i won't grind heads here
anywa, this WASNT supposed to be THAT fight.

now, next thing. Was it supposed to be epic?

answer? it was supposed to make up one of smallville's good fights, for a near-end-of-series-fight.

the most irony? when i started watching this years ago, i only watched it for ONE thing- the powers.
Whats my dream scene? clark having a SUPERPOWER fight with someone in which every single move is one of their powers. Yes, im a superfight addict, and no, the Titan fight didnt cut it.
LANA vs clark, in wrath was better, in my opinion(it was in sperspeed, Titan's fight WASNT)

the budget issues...it may be bcoming a cheap show...and yes, spending all their dimes on ROkk flying might not have been the smartest. Clark's superjumps, i can accpet(because he's slowly TURNING his superjumps into flying, okay?) as long as there's a curve that we're following, im happy, because he's getting better, not stopping.(this superjump ws BETTER than the other Red k one)

But , dont make this something which is years down the road. Yes , there were problems. No, not the same ones some are trying to envision.
LEt me put it this way, the ONLY thing that wold have had a chance of making me quit Sv, was if Clark somehow died NOW , and hadnt immediatly come back to life.

THe writing? it was allright, a good episode, ...the fight(i'll get to that) and the plunge into the geothermal hole into the earth core

the writing-
in the begenning, lots of meteor freaks and justice leaguers attack doomy. HE beats them. How? caz he's doomsday, it seems

i wont cover the meteror freaks, but the league.

Bart: Unfortunatly, i am part of the pre-crisis train, and dont buy the :bart is faster than clark at this point in time: argument on accont of DC comics presents #29, AND Bart's age in Smallville. but, DOomsday.....Doomy has the worst superspeed, he can only do it SOMETIMES. probably isnt even Faster than light like clark and bart's is. But, Could he get bart? well, one hit and bart is out, and after enough of a fight, i suppose he might nab bart.

Green Arrow: shoulda been mroe trigger happy on DOOM,y, NOT clark. maybe HE was bad writing,:shrugs: coulda stuck soem arrows into doomy

Black canary:- could have used her powers more, i agree.

Cyborg (victor stone) was missing, idk why, he's the second super strength person(other than clark) ,and coulda traded blows with Domy, superthrown him a bit. Would he win? not if the mythos/comics have anythng to say about it, but going by Smallvill powers, he coulda knocked him arond before doomy gets smart and gives him a good hit. Hes the only one who could probably take a few hits.

Aquaman- have someone else knock doomy into water ,then have aquaman batter him, then blitz him into a undersea volcano, hope he gets sucked to the planet core=problem solved, :D

----------------------THE FIGHT

Clark arrives, DOomy's just tossing people, Clark spots a girl, uses superspeed-----(what do you see? CLark's SO FAST< doomy is frozen. I knew doomsday's speed wasn't nothing) -uses superspeed , goes up to doomy, takes the girl, puts her aside, goes out of superspeed(mistake#1) ,asks her if she's okay(while doomy takes a sucker shot at him), gts grabbed, and what-doomy gets 4 punches? then super throws him through some buildings

Clark then gets up, and THIS is where you can decide if

a. realistically, at this point in time, clark can't fight him because he realyl cant
b. Clark realizes he needs to end it QUICK
c. every other thing you might not have considered

doomy takes another punch, lame straight from him, and Clark , in speed mode(but mind the budget, not as fast as he was moving when he saved the girl, in a world so fast doomy was frozen in time), charges him ,runs out the building, JUMPS, ends up turning it into a superjump/best of what he knows about how to fly , and plunges doomy into the building, where, if i get this correctly, a NUKE went off, made a hole in the crust, and doomy somehow gets punted into the earth core to wait out until the REAL FIGHT COMES ALONG years later

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overall, screenplay and all that, the fight was a bit shallow, and the minimun it would have taken to satisfy me now? simply have clark spam his SUPERSPEED , and at least dodge doomsday's punches a bit. He's too scared to fighrt back, or can't? Fine, then do SOMETHING, and speed is natural to him

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if anyone actually read through my rant, then congratulations, you're either a true SV fan , or simply can put up with rants from people who feel others are being too harsh on SV, even now.

[Kal26]

^^^^^^^^^^I'm a true smallville fan. I've stood by the show when others didn't. I've made excuses for things I thought were somewhat shady, but none the less not as bad as they could be. I've argued for the show even when I was in the minority, and can tell you this. I'm still a smallville fan, that's why I have to fight for what the show should be. I'm arguing for smallville, and what it could be, and should be, but won't stand up for these new producers who I feel are now ruining smallville. I'm a smallville fan, a true smallville fan, but I'm not a fan of these producers and what they're doing to the show whatsoever. I'm a fan of what this show was, and what it stood for, not what they have now decided to make it. I'm a true smallville fan. Am I picky, yes, a standard was set by this show, that I feel is now being broken, and I won't put up with it, or sit back silently and watch it happen. If they do cancel the show because of all this complaining, at least I won't have to sit here and watch eight years of my life be flushed down the toilet. I had plans to watch this show with my kids, and grand kids. If they ruin the story now, I won't even be able to watch past seasons without feeling sick at my stomach over what comes later. Because of the Lana story arc, I somewhat can't now. With this latest F up, it's getting harder and harder. I hope they turn it around, but they seem to be oblivious to their own stupidity.

[Kschreck]

I blinked and missed the big showdown. :(

[Clana_4ever2005]

I believe the reason we didn't get the huge fight between Doomsday and Clark is that this was an origin story for Doomsday.

Smallville is an origin story for Superman, it is the beginning. His destiny is to become Superman but the show is about before that.

Doomsday's destiny is to kill Superman. This was his origin, not his full story.

Now it is set up that when Clark is Superman, Doomsday will return at the right time and kill him.

[Supeman]

I really wanted a big throwdown and was disappointed that i didn't get it but the Smallville Clark Kent the writers have wrote for us would have never fought Doomsday anymore than he did. He would have actually done exactly what he did in the finale (get rid of Doomsday as fast as he could). This way no innocent people would have been hurt and no more damage would have been done to Metropolis.

But if Doomsday gets out of that hole then i could see Clark fighting Doomsday through Metropolis and all the way to the Fortress so he could send Doomsday into the Phantom Zone.

[Ray Man]

DD wouldn't be stupid enough to go back to the Fortress again...

[K!D CHAO$]

I really wanted a big throwdown and was disappointed that i didn't get it but the Smallville Clark Kent the writers have wrote for us would have never fought Doomsday anymore than he did. He would have actually done exactly what he did in the finale (get rid of Doomsday as fast as he could). This way no innocent people would have been hurt and no more damage would have been done to Metropolis.

But if Doomsday gets out of that hole then i could see Clark fighting Doomsday through Metropolis and all the way to the Fortress so he could send Doomsday into the Phantom Zone.


Nice-
Good rationalization, and agree that he would try not to get anybody hurt, like in the
animated series, they bash their ways through frikkin almost every building and people are around and supes just keeps fightn BRAINiac or apoc, or whoever...

yup:D:D:D:D:D:D

[xrayvision]

^^^^^^^^^^I'm a true smallville fan. I've stood by the show when others didn't. I've made excuses for things I thought were somewhat shady, but none the less not as bad as they could be. I've argued for the show even when I was in the minority, and can tell you this. I'm still a smallville fan, that's why I have to fight for what the show should be. I'm arguing for smallville, and what it could be, and should be, but won't stand up for these new producers who I feel are now ruining smallville. I'm a smallville fan, a true smallville fan, but I'm not a fan of these producers and what they're doing to the show whatsoever. I'm a fan of what this show was, and what it stood for, not what they have now decided to make it. I'm a true smallville fan. Am I picky, yes, a standard was set by this show, that I feel is now being broken, and I won't put up with it, or sit back silently and watch it happen. If they do cancel the show because of all this complaining, at least I won't have to sit here and watch eight years of my life be flushed down the toilet. I had plans to watch this show with my kids, and grand kids. If they ruin the story now, I won't even be able to watch past seasons without feeling sick at my stomach over what comes later. Because of the Lana story arc, I somewhat can't now. With this latest F up, it's getting harder and harder. I hope they turn it around, but they seem to be oblivious to their own stupidity.

This is how I felt like seasons ago. My point has always been that I saw the potential in the show. I remember how you defended the show when I couldn't. I'm sorry how they had to do to you what they did to me Kal26. I feel the same way when I watch Lana scenes of the earlier seasons (back when I could stand her & even liked her at times), knowing what they did with her later on & what a waste it was. The same thing is happening now with Jimmy Olsen as I'm finally finishing watching my Season 7 DVD set the first time through after buying it in September last year (something that never happened with the DVD sets of the first 3 seasons). How can I watch those episodes & look at Jimmy when they killed him off? I could care less what their explanation was about his little brother being the real Jimmy. Only a total idiot would believe such a stupid copout & a mockery of writing. I refuse to let my intelligence to be insulted with such stupidity. As far as I see it, the Smallville Universe has no Jimmy Olsen in Clark's future as Superman.

I always thought that the seeds for what we have now were planted long ago. Back at the end of seasons 5 & 6, I was thinking if it's this bad now, who knows how much worse it will be in the future. I remember complaining about Clark being brainless in season 5 & being too reliant on Chloe when so many here were euphoric. I knew back then it would come to this. I had a very big feeling once Lana was gone that Chloe would be turned into the new Lana, that Clark would be made to look more & more foolish as a result of keeping him away from the main plot. Instead of having Clark-Davis & Clark-Doomsday scenes throughout the season, they replaced him with Chloe. I also complained about the Justice League, and now it seems like the JLA will be a centerpiece of the show starting in seaon 9 with the death of a Daily Planet character & the introduction of a set that is specifically for the JLA, while Lois Lane is still not the lead female character. Add on top of this the death of Clark's humanity (someone living a Kryptonian lifestyle doesn't work as a reporter in his day job), and the only reporter left is Lois. Thank you PS3 (or is it just PS now?) for screwing everything up after finally giving us something promising after years of garbage.

But, one thing I didn't see was them killing off Jimmy. That blindsided me. Before watching it, I thought the worst thing about Doomsday is if they would screw up the fight. Not only did they do that, but killing Jimmy was even worse for me. They outdid themselves in angering & betraying their fans (or at least me). The writing is disgustingly appalling & has been since the Veritas plot. They have no respect for the earlier storylines of the show and butcher anything just to satisfy the present season & make the present plot work. Next season will probably have things that contradict plots of season 8. Heck, they never even revealed who "X" was. Or the person who texted Lana. I hoped they would just abandon the Veritas plot and all the references to the past and just move forward after finally being satisfied by episodes like Plastique, Identity, Bloodline, Prey, and some others. No such luck.

I just hope when Smallville is done, everyone remembers what Souders & Peterson did to this show and they are never hired again. Someone would have to be crazy to hire them after this. They are a bunch of no-talent hacks who are lucky Ostroff is in charge.

[Kal26]

yeah, I think about my early days on this site a lot. I remember how upset some were over the show, and now I'm in that exact same position. You were right about a lot of things, and how they would come to pass. I know we both wish you weren't, but they have continued to screw things up. I do the same thing with earlier seasons. It's hard to enjoy them now when so many things have gone utterly wrong. I found some enjoyment yesterday watching smallville music videos on youtube. It reminded me of how great the show used to be, and at the same time depressed me. Your a good dude. I remember even when we would disagree in the past, you were still always very nice about it, and I think you even expressed to me a time or two that you were glad I was still enjoying the show, and that they hadn't done to me what they'd done to you. I appreciate that, and that you feel for me now that they have.

I can only have hope for the future, but deep down I know the good ol' days are over. Maybe in 20 or 30 years someone else will come along and do it right. My problem is, I love this cast. It makes me sick that I see all this potential wasted.

[DontCha]

I pretty much think the purpose of the fight scene was to hint that clark actually did fly.

[tonnmiister]

the fight against Zod had better be much better, doomsday's just a monster with no emotion, feeling or purpose, but his fight against Zod should be more personal and graphic

btw doomsdays not a good comic book character, the only thing he's done is killed supes, apart from that he's pretty much nothing, ZOD deserves better next season

EDIT: oh and if they had an "ACTUAL" fight then clark would have to win, and survive, so it wouldnt make sense for a young supes to win against doomy, but an older one die against doomy.

[harryandginnyfanatic]

Did Clark fly?

I think he did. How else would be have been able to land Dooms in the right spot to bury him alive?

[Brain WT]

Ok I have a question why didn't Clark fight Doomsday during the daytime? I am asking cause they have said that the sun gives Clark more strength so let me know your thoughts guys thanks.

[wmasoxfan]

I think it was because of the budget they had to work with. I think showing Doomsday in the dark or in shadows made the costume look more believable.

[loislanechick]

Maybe they wanted to make matters more convinient for doomsday :) And since it was all about the doomsday, the setting should be dark and gloomy, so maybe that's why. If it was a sunny, shiny day it would kind of be weird.

[Tompouce]

I agree with Albina:)

[Radames125470]

The 3-second fight was a copout? Sure, but they really are lining up with mythos in that the big Doomsday/Clark fight happens after someone (let's call him Lex) digs up Doomsday from the depths of the Earth. After Clark laid out his plan of burying him with the Geothermal plant (continuity!!), I knew the fight wouldn't last long, and I knew Clark probably wouldn't die. So, I really wasn't disappointed. This fight can happen in the future, not in Smallville. Smallville here worked as a prequel to that Superman: Doomsday movie, in that Dooms has to be digged up from the earth, so I'm ok with Smallville sometimes saying that things will still happen in the future, so that Clark's life in the future is still somewhat eventful, instead of dealing with everything now.

[Kal26]

Well, the only problem is that in Superman Doomsday there was more than just dirt keeping the beast buried, and Lex wasn't dead.

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I think he did. How else would be have been able to land Dooms in the right spot to bury him alive?

It was a super jump, and he did it the same way he was able to land in exactly the spot he wanted to in the fortress with Lana, and when he super jumped with Lois.

[Supermania]

The fight was frustratingly short, but seeing Clark getting kicked the living daylights out of with all those glorious special effects was somewhat satisfying, but more so that expression of intense determination spread across his face as he super-jumped in a huge arc towards the night sky, Doomsday in his arms and crashing down into the facility. That was an awesome moment, nobody can't admit that.

[Night_Hawk90]

The fight was frustratingly short, but seeing Clark getting kicked the living daylights out of with all those glorious special effects was somewhat satisfying, but more so that expression of intense determination spread across his face as he super-jumped in a huge arc towards the night sky, Doomsday in his arms and crashing down into the facility. That was an awesome moment, nobody can't admit that.

glorious special effect? you serious no offense but those special effects even for smallville were lame. Seeing clark not land a single punch was also lame this fight was a huge disappointment

[redmapleleaves]

The 3-second fight was a copout? Sure, but they really are lining up with mythos in that the big Doomsday/Clark fight happens after someone (let's call him Lex) digs up Doomsday from the depths of the Earth. After Clark laid out his plan of burying him with the Geothermal plant (continuity!!), I knew the fight wouldn't last long, and I knew Clark probably wouldn't die. So, I really wasn't disappointed. This fight can happen in the future, not in Smallville. Smallville here worked as a prequel to that Superman: Doomsday movie, in that Dooms has to be digged up from the earth, so I'm ok with Smallville sometimes saying that things will still happen in the future, so that Clark's life in the future is still somewhat eventful, instead of dealing with everything now.

I completely agree with you. They lined up the story to the movie so that when he becomes Superman and Doomsday is dug out he can actually fight him for real.
And I don't think Lex is dead. So that works!

And I also agree with you Clana_forever2005. Smallville is Superman's origin story. He's not Superman yet. Its showcasing his journey becoming Superman. And I think its cool how the writers try to keep things interesting by introducing all these characters that Clark will become familiar with once he is Superman.

Back to the OP's question, def a super jump. no flying yet :(

[harryandginnyfanatic]

It was a super jump, and he did it the same way he was able to land in exactly the spot he wanted to in the fortress with Lana, and when he super jumped with Lois.

It was a little farther away this time, compared to the jumps in Reckoning and Crimson.

[herolee10]

I've seen more intensive fights on wrestling..hell I've seen WWE divas engage in much fiercer fights then what we saw here.

and is it just me, or did the way Doomsday punch Clark look awkward a bit? I honestly don't think that the costume was made for much combat efficiency.

I mean Clark and Titan had a better fight then this? Why couldn't we have gotten that, where Clark throws some punches and kicks ass. He doesn't need to use any visual power against Doomsday here, just throw a punch or two.


and another thing that doesn't make sense is that, are they trying to imply that if the Earth's core can contain Doomsday, that means that if someone was strong enough they can imprison him the same way?

[Kal26]

It was a little farther away this time, compared to the jumps in Reckoning and Crimson.

I'm not sure it was. Those jumps seemed just as far, and controlled to me. Trust me, when he flies, they'll juice it for every bit of press it's worth. I can't see them building up a fight for one season, and not delivering, but not promoting flight that we've been waiting for since season 1. They'll tease us, then give us a lame bit of flight, and act like it was great, but they'll definitely use it to get viewers tuning it. Not just throw it in the end of an episode unannounced, then make no mention of it after that.

[deansmistress22]

i gotta say that lois needs to give clark the "ability" to fly.

[x20ArchAngel09x]

Clark never really flew, it was more like a super lunge and falling with style kinda thing.

[funky_town021]

that had to be a super jump, i really dont think it was him flying.....

as fot the fighting, well, im not suprised it was short since they have a budget and all but that doesnt mean i found it disappointing. sure, the titan fight i think is the best one but this one is also good too cause it made me believe that if Clark really tried to fight Doomsday, he would die. there's no way Clark would've won that battle so to trap the beast i think was smart cause im sure when Clark because Superman, than thats when the real fight will continue....

but i do wish though that there was a fight between davis and clark but overall, i was satisfied with what i saw

[donnarose]

Hard to answer, he could of being considered of doing both perhaps one could of been a jump, or maybe he did fly.;)