They completely butchered the Mythos

[Jawth]

They unnessisarily killed off two villians (Livewire and Neutron), turned Parasite into a anti-hero, made Clark look absolutely pathetic and dumb enough not to bring Green K along with him, showed how easily Ollie could kick his ass if he wanted too, continued to bring up the absolutely ridiculous "Lex is dead" arc, and treat Davis and Doomsday like they're separate entities (which if true, only makes this DD MORE of a Hulk ripoff).

When the producers say they want to line up with DC mythos and feed us this crap, I want to laugh and cry at the same time. They give us a great string of episodes (first half of S8) then put out this....

All I can say is, unless the finale wows me (which, judging by the spoilers isn't going to happen) I won't be sticking around for season 9.

[Mahir]

Hm, unless i am mistaken, in the Episode: Hex (Season 9), Almost everyone but Olle made a wish, which grants them there inner most desire, Olle still has this wish, maybe he can undo everything.

[Estro-gen X]

They unnessisarily killed off two villians (Livewire and Neutron)

yes but we didn't see neutron well so there could be another neutron in the future. As for livewire she was completely different in looks and personality. I was expecting a sassy new yorker

turned Parasite into a anti-hero,

This Injustice League was more like the Suicide Squad which is traditionally Plastique's team. I agree that the characters present are usually bad an know it, like Lex. He feels he's mankind's hero but he knows his methods are completely unethical. To him the ends justify the means.

made Clark look absolutely pathetic and dumb enough not to bring Green K along with him

I don't think he knew he was cured of that weakness

showed how easily Ollie could kick his ass if he wanted too

Ollie is resourceful and anyone who can get their hands on Kryptonite can defeat Superman in the end

continued to bring up the absolutely ridiculous "Lex is dead" arc

They pretty much have to without Rosenbaum, him knowing Clark's secret is too big to ignore

and treat Davis and Doomsday like they're separate entities (which if true, only makes this DD MORE of a Hulk ripoff).

Well thats entirely new so there is no mythos precident to destroy

[Exedore]

and treat Davis and Doomsday like they're separate entities (which if true, only makes this DD MORE of a Hulk ripoff)


Well SVDoom is already way too much of a Hulk rip off anyway, complete with Davis saying "Don't make angry, you wouldn't like me when I'm angry" . :rolleyes: They might as well go all the way. :\

[Jawth]

They unnessisarily killed off two villians (Livewire and Neutron)

yes but we didn't see neutron well so there could be another neutron in the future. As for livewire she was completely different in looks and personality. I was expecting a sassy new yorker

turned Parasite into a anti-hero,

This Injustice League was more like the Suicide Squad which is traditionally Plastique's team. I agree that the characters present are usually bad an know it, like Lex. He feels he's mankind's hero but he knows his methods are completely unethical. To him the ends justify the means.

made Clark look absolutely pathetic and dumb enough not to bring Green K along with him

I don't think he knew he was cured of that weakness

showed how easily Ollie could kick his ass if he wanted too

Ollie is resourceful and anyone who can get their hands on Kryptonite can defeat Superman in the end

continued to bring up the absolutely ridiculous "Lex is dead" arc

They pretty much have to without Rosenbaum, him knowing Clark's secret is too big to ignore

and treat Davis and Doomsday like they're separate entities (which if true, only makes this DD MORE of a Hulk ripoff).

Well thats entirely new so there is no mythos precident to destroy


1. How is changing the look and personality more along the lines of the mythos? It's just a bigger failure. Assuming there will be another guy with radation based powers that will call himself Neutron after the team was a secret is a huige stretch at best.

2. Parasite is a murderer. He's not a victim or someone that gives a crap about human life unlike who was presented here (not to mention has shape-changing abilities and a completely different look).

3. When Clark has no powers, he is immune to Kryptonite and those that take his powers now have that weakness.

4. I guess I'm imagining all of the times Luthor has had Kryptonite based plans to kill Superman failed, or when Batman slugged Supes with a Kryptonite ring multiple times and said if he did so again it would shatter his fist (Jeph Loeb's Hush).

5. They cannot tell us Lex is dead because not only does it butcher the mythos completely, it butchers Smallville's own storyline as Lex was clearly shown as Sageth. Lex is present in all major continuities as Clark's major foe as Superman. If he really is dead, then all that goes down the drain. By the way, Rosenbaum said he'd come back for the last few episodes of the series, which could easily exolain that Jor-El memory wiped him when he took away Clark's powers.

6. Doomsday not being Doomsday is a slap in the face to the source material.

[mr lane]

They unnessisarily killed off two villians (Livewire and Neutron), turned Parasite into a anti-hero, made Clark look absolutely pathetic and dumb enough not to bring Green K along with him, showed how easily Ollie could kick his ass if he wanted too, continued to bring up the absolutely ridiculous "Lex is dead" arc, and treat Davis and Doomsday like they're separate entities (which if true, only makes this DD MORE of a Hulk ripoff).

When the producers say they want to line up with DC mythos and feed us this crap, I want to laugh and cry at the same time. They give us a great string of episodes (first half of S8) then put out this....

All I can say is, unless the finale wows me (which, judging by the spoilers isn't going to happen) I won't be sticking around for season 9.

ITA

everything about this episode made me cringe and want to throw a comic book at someone

we didnt even get to see Livewire or Netron use their powers they could have easily used them again next season with an episode that gave their origins.

This whole Doomsday thing is getting ludicrious. It seemed to be working at first I didn't mind it but now that they have insenuated that Davis can be seperated and be human is just crazy.

First of all Davis came from Krypton with Doomsday so if they do seperate him he would be Kryptonian not human

how does a creature come from another planet and become human?

and whats with everyone lecturing clark these days? and clark having to justify his actions? we get more of this bull than we do actual action

this is why i loved superman the animated series it was more about Superman actually fighting the good fight and the love/drama crap was the C plot

ever since the second half of this season started its been a bunch of mumbo jumbo that i dont know how they will fix

[House of Brock]

ITA

everything about this episode made me cringe and want to throw a comic book at someone

we didnt even get to see Livewire or Netron use their powers they could have easily used them again next season with an episode that gave their origins.

This whole Doomsday thing is getting ludicrious. It seemed to be working at first I didn't mind it but now that they have insenuated that Davis can be seperated and be human is just crazy.

First of all Davis came from Krypton with Doomsday so if they do seperate him he would be Kryptonian not human

how does a creature come from another planet and become human?

and whats with everyone lecturing clark these days? and clark having to justify his actions? we get more of this bull than we do actual action

this is why i loved superman the animated series it was more about Superman actually fighting the good fight and the love/drama crap was the C plot

ever since the second half of this season started its been a bunch of mumbo jumbo that i dont know how they will fix

They want to try and show that Davis, whether he is human or Kryptonian, is worth the saving and the separation from the creature. Clark sees that Davis could be good on his own and he knows he came to earth with him. If you have the chance to see if you can separate the two, why not try it and then focus on the beast if it works?

As a side note, I'm looking forward to the finale Thursday and not laying down ultimatums about wowing me or I'm outta here.:cool:

[mr lane]

They want to try and show that Davis, whether he is human or Kryptonian, is worth the saving and the separation from the creature. Clark sees that Davis could be good on his own and he knows he came to earth with him. If you have the chance to see if you can separate the two, why not try it and then focus on the beast if it works?

As a side note, I'm looking forward to the finale Thursday and not laying down ultimatums about wowing me or I'm outta here.:cool:

if i wanted to watch a show where a person couldnt suppress his beast like side when hes angry i would watch The Hulk

it just bugs me that DC created doomsday as an original character why does SV have to look to other origins to make their doomsday stand apart?

im not against separating davis from doomsday i actually was one of the first way back when the season that speculated that Black K could be used to separate the two but that was when we really had no idea where Davis came from or how he got here, after Eternal told us that he was energetic matter I wasn't sure how they could separate the two. The whole plot line just seems a little rough to me

but we know that once Davis is separated from Doomsday it will only make him the best vessel for Zod and bring more problems for Clark so either way you look at it Davis is toast and Clark will be left looking dumb like always and only by luck or a shooting star will Clark be able to wiggle out of the situation

[House of Brock]

if i wanted to watch a show where a person couldnt suppress his beast like side when hes angry i would watch The Hulk

it just bugs me that DC created doomsday as an original character why does SV have to look to other origins to make their doomsday stand apart?

im not against separating davis from doomsday i actually was one of the first way back when the season that speculated that Black K could be used to separate the two but that was when we really had no idea where Davis came from or how he got here, after Eternal told us that he was energetic matter I wasn't sure how they could separate the two. The whole plot line just seems a little rough to me

but we know that once Davis is separated from Doomsday it will only make him the best vessel for Zod and bring more problems for Clark so either way you look at it Davis is toast and Clark will be left looking dumb like always and only by luck or a shooting star will Clark be able to wiggle out of the situation

Yeah we know of the Zod potential but that doesn't mean Clark or anyone else would know. It only makes Clark look dumb if he does know it could happen and he does it anyway.

I think with a show like this, now that there is heavy influence from CW suits since season 6, you almost have to humanize a character like Davis Bloome in order for him to fit into a whole season. Having a connection to someone Clark cares for makes the fight all the more powerful.

The Incredible Hulk TV show was fantastic and so were its concepts and if anything this story pays a small homage to it. The only difference is that Doomsday doesn't take on the personality of Davis where The Hulk takes on the personality of David Banner. Davis is shown to not want to harm but it has driven him to lose it mentally and to desperation since he can't control what happens. I think its a pretty interesting tale.

[mr lane]

Yeah we know of the Zod potential but that doesn't mean Clark or anyone else would know. It only makes Clark look dumb if he does know it could happen and he does it anyway.

I think with a show like this, now that there is heavy influence from CW suits since season 6, you almost have to humanize a character like Davis Bloome in order for him to fit into a whole season. Having a connection to someone Clark cares for makes the fight all the more powerful.

The Incredible Hulk TV show was fantastic and so were its concepts and if anything this story pays a small homage to it. The only difference is that Doomsday doesn't take on the personality of Davis where The Hulk takes on the personality of David Banner. Davis is shown to not want to harm but it has driven him to lose it mentally and to desperation since he can't control what happens. I think its a pretty interesting tale.

when the zod thing does happen i dont want to hear clark whine about it

"i should have listened to Jor-El, I should have destroyed him, I should have..I should have...its all my fault."

i realize Clark has to make mistakes but i want to hear him recongize the mistakes hes made and move on and not dwell and blame himself for everything

hopefully season 9 will give us this

[Theshadow129x]

im jsut disappointed with the fact that the show made this episode and did nothing with the injustice society. it was a complete hack. this could have waited until next season or something.

[Jawth]

They want to try and show that Davis, whether he is human or Kryptonian, is worth the saving and the separation from the creature. Clark sees that Davis could be good on his own and he knows he came to earth with him. If you have the chance to see if you can separate the two, why not try it and then focus on the beast if it works?

As a side note, I'm looking forward to the finale Thursday and not laying down ultimatums about wowing me or I'm outta here.:cool:

Davis, even if you consider him a separate entity from Doomsday still slaughtered dozens of people. People like that get a lethal injection or the electic chair, not sympathy. The Phantom Zone is a comparatively humane alternative to what someone like Davis would get in today's society. Clark's pathetic self loathing and illogical guilt for Doomsday's life is not allowing him to think clearly.

I can't tell if the bottom is somehow meant as a pointed insult to me, but I watched this show for years because it entertained me. Season 7 and the second half of eight bring me much more frustration and headache than entertainment. So, unless I notice a big leap in quality in regards to the finale, I'm out. Not a ultimatum, but a personal statement of fact.

[House of Brock]

Davis, even if you consider him a separate entity from Doomsday still slaughtered dozens of people. People like that get a lethal injection or the electic chair, not sympathy. The Phantom Zone is a comparatively humane alternative to what someone like Davis would get in today's society. Clark's pathetic self loathing and illogical guilt for Doomsday's life is not allowing him to think clearly.

I can't tell if the bottom is somehow meant as a pointed insult to me, but I watched this show for years because it entertained me. Season 7 and the second half of eight bring me much more frustration and headache than entertainment. So, unless I notice a big leap in quality in regards to the finale, I'm out. Not a ultimatum, but a personal statement of fact.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I wasn't a fan of season 7 and had gripes about some episodes this season (see L.Lang) but I'm still entertained by the show and believe that the Clark Kent/Superman principles are still there and that is what I enjoy the most.

[Dominicus]

Davis, even if you consider him a separate entity from Doomsday still slaughtered dozens of people. People like that get a lethal injection or the electic chair, not sympathy. The Phantom Zone is a comparatively humane alternative to what someone like Davis would get in today's society. Clark's pathetic self loathing and illogical guilt for Doomsday's life is not allowing him to think clearly.

I can't tell if the bottom is somehow meant as a pointed insult to me, but I watched this show for years because it entertained me. Season 7 and the second half of eight bring me much more frustration and headache than entertainment. So, unless I notice a big leap in quality in regards to the finale, I'm out. Not a ultimatum, but a personal statement of fact.I agree, especially when Davis tries to justify his killings because he's going after those who sin in a manner, he was not Dooms in this state, he killed as a suppressant, which means this was a mental alteration, and Davis is more responsible. Quite frankly injustice was a terrible episode, poorly written and butchered the mythos completely, highly disappointed. If they're going to take characters from the comics, take their personalities and backgrounds as well, not just the names.

[j-kent]

This series isn't obligated to stay within the same lines of traditional mythology. Like many writers who write variations of superhero comic stories...SV represents their own story which conventionally, isn't bad at all and quite entertaining

[xrayvision]

I think the worst butchering of Smallville's very own mythos was last season with the Veritas plot and in Eternal. There are several other things this season & in seasons past, but nothing disappointed me more than what they did with Veritas & the Traveler. The mythos they created for this show with the cave in seasons 2 & 3, everything that happened with Lex on the Loeb bridge & his investigations with Dr. Hamilton, Roger Nixon, and Dr. Walden and the buildup of Lionel and how he learned about why Lex refused to join him in Metropolis in Duplicity & Red after offering him a job in Reaper and all the stuff with Lex & his brother Julian and everything that happened in Memoria were my favorite elements of the show. These are what attracted me most to the show because they elevated the Clark-Lex dynamic and added so many more dimensions, especially when the Lionel plot in season 3 kicked into high gear. Every aspect of these great, creative storylines were somehow contradicted and ruined by Veritas & the events in Eternal.

To me, this precisely was the worst butchering they ever did. I'll even say that the way they introduced Grant Gabriel was consistent with the past mythos they gave us. The problem with that was the disrespect they showed by giving it no significance. Grant was just killed off & never mentioned again. The butchering of the Lex storyline from Memoria happened in Eternal, and not even that was spared.

[Jawth]

This series isn't obligated to stay within the same lines of traditional mythology. Like many writers who write variations of superhero comic stories...SV represents their own story which conventionally, isn't bad at all and quite entertaining

To a certain extent, you're entirely right. But when the showrunnes say a few weeks ago that everything they're doing will come into line with the DC mythology and then put out something like this that uses only the names of characters that actually have fans and utterly butcher them for no reason means they either are lying to keep the comic fans on-board or stupid enough to not know how bad they're messing it up.

You can also change things while being respectful of the source material (like the first five seasons did fairly well) without randomly assigning names to things that have no resemblance to the source material. If you want to have an anti-hero that can take away people's powers permantley, fine. Just don't slap the name Parasite on the guy. If you want to show Tess is willingly to kill her team members off, okay. Just don't kill off two Superman villians before they you know....fight Superman.

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I think the worst butchering of Smallville's very own mythos was last season with the Veritas plot and in Eternal. There are several other things this season & in seasons past, but nothing disappointed me more than what they did with Veritas & the Traveler. The mythos they created for this show with the cave in seasons 2 & 3, everything that happened with Lex on the Loeb bridge & his investigations with Dr. Hamilton, Roger Nixon, and Dr. Walden and the buildup of Lionel and how he learned about why Lex refused to join him in Metropolis in Duplicity & Red after offering him a job in Reaper and all the stuff with Lex & his brother Julian and everything that happened in Memoria were my favorite elements of the show. These are what attracted me most to the show because they elevated the Clark-Lex dynamic and added so many more dimensions, especially when the Lionel plot in season 3 kicked into high gear. Every aspect of these great, creative storylines were somehow contradicted and ruined by Veritas & the events in Eternal.

To me, this precisely was the worst butchering they ever did. I'll even say that the way they introduced Grant Gabriel was consistent with the past mythos they gave us. The problem with that was the disrespect they showed by giving it no significance. Grant was just killed off & never mentioned again. The butchering of the Lex storyline from Memoria happened in Eternal, and not even that was spared.

I agree that Veritas and Traveler did serious damage to the rest of the series, but in retrospect it's nothing compared to the fact that Lionel apparently somehow knew Clark was the Traveler but for some apparent reason didn't just take the child by force or how his actions in the earlier seasons simply don't match with him knowing that information.

The Grant Gabriel arc could have turned out interesting but ended up very poorly executed and really added nothing to the plot.

These were prety bad, but at least it was their story to ruin. Crap like "Injustice", "Power" and "Requiem" should be considered insults to the creators that originally thought up said concepts.

[xrayvision]

That was my main problem with Veritas. Who the hell would buy that Lionel always knew that Clark would come to Earth & even the very day he would arrive (something that not even Dr. Swann was shown privy to)? Then they did a 2nd take on the prophecy and Sageeth saying that Sageeth was Clark (in Quest they said the monster head was Clark turning evil as a result of being controlled). Then they made Davis Sageeth. It was a complete joke. Lex is Sageeth and nobody but him will ever be Sageeth.

I agree about the DC characters. I want Morgan Edge back too. At least his "demise" was questionable and no confirmation was ever done. I wasn't happy about Bizarro either. It was disgusting how they turned him into a p---y like he became. I wasn't even crazy about him not being like the classic Bizarro being disfigured with that cracked face.

[Exedore]

Lionel and his whole new backstory with Veritas made no sense whatsoever. Perhaps it would have been better if they had shown that Lionel was not part of Veritas and he discovered it some time after he became interested in Clark. Then he turned everything upside down to get to the Orb/secret of the Traveler. Or at least something like that. :\

Oh well if, the Orb turns out to be the Eradicator then at least some good would have come out of that Veritas mess.

[Supsfan]

That was my main problem with Veritas. Who the hell would buy that Lionel always knew that Clark would come to Earth & even the very day he would arrive (something that not even Dr. Swann was shown privy to)?


Sometimes it's better just to tell a simple story then trying to get to convoluted. I am on the I really didn't care for Veritas train myself

[House of Brock]

I think it is pretty clear that this show was in serious trouble last season with Al/Miles at the helm. They seemed tapped out for ideas, especially involving Lana and even sometimes Lex. Everything felt like it had been done before early on in the season, much like Season 6 of 24 was as a whole. When the writer's strike was about to come to fruition, I think they had a couple ideas on the table and couldn't decide where to go with them. I think they sensed danger in the show being canceled that they decided to create the Veritas arc to try and bring everyone back to previous seasons.

With that said, this season has attempted to clean some of the mess left from last year and the best way they have done that is moving forward in most things. Obviously Eternal brought us back but I still think it is the interpretation that Tess had about the Legend of Naman and Sageeth.

And I think it is a little too quick to judge whether or not those characters were meant to be the DC characters or not, particularly Parasite.If it were meant to be the true parasite I think more attention would have been paid to him. Again, this may only be a code name.

It doesn't seem that any villain is permanently dismissed on this show and there is always a chance they could come back or in the future we don't see after this show ends.

[Jawth]

I think it is pretty clear that this show was in serious trouble last season with Al/Miles at the helm. They seemed tapped out for ideas, especially involving Lana and even sometimes Lex. Everything felt like it had been done before early on in the season, much like Season 6 of 24 was as a whole. When the writer's strike was about to come to fruition, I think they had a couple ideas on the table and couldn't decide where to go with them. I think they sensed danger in the show being canceled that they decided to create the Veritas arc to try and bring everyone back to previous seasons.

With that said, this season has attempted to clean some of the mess left from last year and the best way they have done that is moving forward in most things. Obviously Eternal brought us back but I still think it is the interpretation that Tess had about the Legend of Naman and Sageeth.

And I think it is a little too quick to judge whether or not those characters were meant to be the DC characters or not, particularly Parasite.If it were meant to be the true parasite I think more attention would have been paid to him. Again, this may only be a code name.

It doesn't seem that any villain is permanently dismissed on this show and there is always a chance they could come back or in the future we don't see after this show ends.


While Al/Miles did some pretty ****ing stupid things, nothing compares to the Super-Lana/Kill Lex crap that came out this season.

The Injustice team originally consisted of random villians created for the show but at last minute changed thier names to those of comic book villians. They should have just went with the original plan, as each of these villians could have got their own episode (or maybe even arc regarding Parasite) if done more in line with the source material. Instead they have them killed off before they even fight Clark of completely change the character to something that has no resemblance to the inspiration at all.

[SuperheroFan87]

They unnessisarily killed off two villians (Livewire and Neutron), turned Parasite into a anti-hero, made Clark look absolutely pathetic and dumb enough not to bring Green K along with him, showed how easily Ollie could kick his ass if he wanted too, continued to bring up the absolutely ridiculous "Lex is dead" arc, and treat Davis and Doomsday like they're separate entities (which if true, only makes this DD MORE of a Hulk ripoff).

When the producers say they want to line up with DC mythos and feed us this crap, I want to laugh and cry at the same time. They give us a great string of episodes (first half of S8) then put out this....

All I can say is, unless the finale wows me (which, judging by the spoilers isn't going to happen) I won't be sticking around for season 9.

Look at this show as "Ultimate Superman". Viewed in that light almost anything is forgivable (except all things Lana and The AoS). So I don't mind two villains dying in that sense. Give Season 9 a chance, in the interviews they said the show will finally align with the mythos of the comics. So maybe we'll see him with the glasses and maybe in the end..........even the Superman costume!

[Night_Hawk90]

Look at this show as "Ultimate Superman". Viewed in that light almost anything is forgivable (except all things Lana and The AoS). So I don't mind two villains dying in that sense. Give Season 9 a chance, in the interviews they said the show will finally align with the mythos of the comics. So maybe we'll see him with the glasses and maybe in the end..........even the Superman costume!


lol the writers and showrunners say that all the time

[JLA_HQ]

This show has become almost unwatchable. The writers and producers seem to have forgotten its basic premise: this is SUPERMAN!!!. Clark is almost the weakest character around. Despite his super senses, people sneak up on him all the time. Chloe talks him out of sending Doomsday to the Phantom Zone (a fair sentence for a mass murderer), then immediately turns around and gives up. WTH?

But the real problem is that the writers don't seem to know what to do. Early in the season with Clark at the Daily Planet working with Lois, sparks starting between them, and Clark acting heroic it looked like the show would evolve and take us with it. Instead Lana (BBBBAAAAAAAARRRRRRRFFFF) returns (?), gets super powers (??), and acts more super than Superman (???). Then we get filler, angst, and nothing. Clark's honor and dignity are shown to make him more weak than heroic. And everyone who knows his secret tells him, "Start being the hero you are." Ironically, they're acting in the role of the viewers. When Clark wasn't sure what his destiny was, that was one thing. Now it's like he's actively resisting it.

C'mon, Clark. Be the Man of Steel, not the Red-Blue Blur. Kick the living $h!+ out of Doomsday. Grab Lois and fly off into the sunset.

[Liquid-Prince]

WHO CARES? If they had just done everything Smallville has done in a comic reiteration and retconned the story starting anew, nobody would say anything. This is the new continuity, which just uses the mythology as a basis. It is not copying them.

Like I said, if this story Smallville has was part of a new comic arc, no on would be complaining...

[Dominicus]

WHO CARES? If they had just done everything Smallville has done in a comic reiteration and retconned the story starting anew, nobody would say anything. This is the new continuity, which just uses the mythology as a basis. It is not copying them.

Like I said, if this story Smallville has was part of a new comic arc, no on would be complaining...Who cares!? That's kinda rude. But anyway, it's obviously this topic was created because someone cares, and actually quite a bit of folks do care. Every episode is subjected to opinions and scrutiny since it is supposed to line up with the DC mythos at this point and so forth. This is their own wording on the subject. They dropped the ball in Injustice, which is a shame it had potential to be great, so they're being called on it. With the Injustice title, more was expected then a filler for one, and they made the villainous characters rather mediocre and some like Neutron never meeting up with Clark/Superman before getting killed. The episode seemed rushed and sloppily put together. They tried with Injustice, but failed, however I do think they'll make up for it in S9 and it won't be so rushed, we'll see.

[Liquid-Prince]

Who cares!? That's kinda rude. But anyway, it's obviously this topic was created because someone cares, and actually quite a bit of folks do care. Every episode is subjected to opinions and scrutiny since it is supposed to line up with the DC mythos at this point and so forth. This is their own wording on the subject. They dropped the ball in Injustice, which is a shame it had potential to be great, so they're being called on it. With the Injustice title, more was expected then a filler for one, and they made the villainous characters rather mediocre and some like Neutron never meeting up with Clark/Superman before getting killed. The episode seemed rushed and sloppily put together. They tried with Injustice, but failed, however I do think they'll make up for it in S9 and it won't be so rushed, we'll see.

I only said who cares because I'm tired of people complaining and saying that it's been butchered. If this story being used in Smallville right now was being released in the newest Superman comics, no one would say anything. But Oh know Smallville is always butchering things...

[xrayvision]

To me, Injustice seemed to pimp out various things rather than focus on the story at hand. I wanted to see Clark execute his plan, and now we'll never see him even try to use that crystal again. I was also interested in seeing more of the team, but what did we get with that? We didn't even get the shadow guy from Prey.

I said it in another thread in this episode's forum: the events of this episode should have been split over 2 episodes, namely Beast & this one. Beast was so full of garbage. Instead they could have made a 2-part storyline with Chloe & Davis running away and the Injustice team on their tail. Instead Beast wasted so much time with garbage scenes and Injustice focused too much on Ollie-Tess, Clark-Tess, and Tess-Injustice team. We just never got a real mission going. It would have been nice to get Jimmy & Davis (and ugh, even Chloe) appearing in both episodes & seeing Davis go up against Injustice team members.

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I only said who cares because I'm tired of people complaining and saying that it's been butchered. If this story being used in Smallville right now was being released in the newest Superman comics, no one would say anything. But Oh know Smallville is always butchering things...

The thing is, such a story would never appear in the comics because it would get rejected. If anyone saw a superhero in the comics jumping into bed with Tess or someone like her, I guarantee you there would be many readers who would never pick up another issue of that comic again. That was the most pathetic depiction of a "superhero" I have ever seen. The comics aren't a love story like this show has become. Thank God Dawn Ostroff has no control over them.

[Liquid-Prince]

To me, Injustice seemed to pimp out various things rather than focus on the story at hand. I wanted to see Clark execute his plan, and now we'll never see him even try to use that crystal again. I was also interested in seeing more of the team, but what did we get with that? We didn't even get the shadow guy from Prey.

I said it in another thread in this episode's forum: the events of this episode should have been split over 2 episodes, namely Beast & this one. Beast was so full of garbage. Instead they could have made a 2-part storyline with Chloe & Davis running away and the Injustice team on their tail. Instead Beast wasted so much time with garbage scenes and Injustice focused too much on Ollie-Tess, Clark-Tess, and Tess-Injustice team. We just never got a real mission going. It would have been nice to get Jimmy & Davis (and ugh, even Chloe) appearing in both episodes & seeing Davis go up against Injustice team members.

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The thing is, such a story would never appear in the comics because it would get rejected. If anyone saw a superhero in the comics jumping into bed with Tess or someone like her, I guarantee you there would be many readers who would never pick up another issue of that comic again. That was the most pathetic depiction of a "superhero" I have ever seen. The comics aren't a love story like this show has become. Thank God Dawn Ostroff has no control over them.

Umm, Green Arrow would totally be the character in the stories to bed a women for the cause. He is the womanizer of the Justice League... And there have been worse comic stories that have been published, and this seasons storyline is actually pretty great. Like I said, if it DID get printed in comic form, people would say nothing.

[Dominicus]

I only said who cares because I'm tired of people complaining and saying that it's been butchered. If this story being used in Smallville right now was being released in the newest Superman comics, no one would say anything. But Oh know Smallville is always butchering things...I see your point to a degree. But, there's a lot of superman fans that hang around hoping to see that iconic superman moment, it is a superman/Clark Kent story at this point and time so I can't blame people for pointing it out. This will go on for the entire series and even after, that's what occurs when you redo a classic. It will always be compared to the counterpart. Also, most comic book fans who watch the show, probably the most loyal base want to see the comic book come to life, as well respected, if PS3 is going to use the characters, it wouldn't hurt to learn about who you're writing about.

Personally, I just think it was a badly written episode for the most part. I don't plan on holding it against them. It's like hit or miss with Smallville.

But the point with it not being up to par with the mythos, I think the biggest gripe is how the story was handled and even non-mythos sticklers found fault.

The point is that it's not apart of the story. If's are theory and in no way accurate. When current mythos changes drastically from the previous, there are vast complaints about how the story is being handled, even in the comics. People complained about superman being too weak, vulnerable to magic and what not, but that has change. There were rumors about Chloe being introduced into the comics, fans had a fit. Anything detering to drastic from the norm they will find fault, especially OCC that's why you'll never see it in the comics. If they suddenly make superman bad in the comic, there would be complaints. But I agree with Green Arrow storyline being interesting. That's in the interest of story-telling, and my personal opinion.

[xrayvision]

I like this season much better than the last 4 seasons. I know Ollie is the womanizer, but he doesn't womanize while he's in the middle of a mission.

I also don't think Ollie should be on the show as much as he has. 1-2 appearances per season maxiumum is all he should have. They need to make the show more about Clark.

This episode tried to do too much. I think they wasted a lot of time this season with episodes like Toxic, Power, Requiem, Eternal & Beast. Even Hex, as nice as it was to see Zatanna, it didn't really do too much for the big picture.

I'm very much against killing off characters who are supposed to be in Superman's future. I have no problem if they do things their own way, as long as their way is logical & keeps all future characters in the condition they should be in. What they did with Lana in Power & Requiem was beyond disgusting. I also can't stand what they did to their very own Smallville mythos that was created since the Pilot. That was really butchered. In the comics, retcons were at least explained by various Crises, but we got no such explanation here. And I'm one who says that there are things you can do in the comics that you can't do on TV. Retcons should be one of them. The comics have been going on for much longer (70 years), so every now & then they mix things up to keep things fresh. This show has been going on for a fraction of the time & had no need for retcons.

[Jawth]

WHO CARES? If they had just done everything Smallville has done in a comic reiteration and retconned the story starting anew, nobody would say anything. This is the new continuity, which just uses the mythology as a basis. It is not copying them.

Like I said, if this story Smallville has was part of a new comic arc, no on would be complaining...

If you honestly believe this, then you should check out the DC boards regarding every retcon in DC history. Yes, people would still complain if crap like this was feed to them. Look at how much heat Byrne got for Man of Steel, or even Waid for undoing that.

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I only said who cares because I'm tired of people complaining and saying that it's been butchered. If this story being used in Smallville right now was being released in the newest Superman comics, no one would say anything. But Oh know Smallville is always butchering things...

When the Executive Producers say things like they're lining up with the mythos THEN put out something like this, then it's obvious they're full of crap. Changing stuff around while being respectful is one thing like making Pete black, giving Brainiac kryptonian abilities (it actually made him a much more credible threat), and making Martha a politician.

When you make something with no resemblance to the source material then slap a name of a character that actually has fans to slaughter them before they even fight the enemy they were created to fight, it's an insult to the creative talents that made those characters. When you make Parasite and anti-hero with an entirely different powerset than the classic version and try to pass it on as the real deal, you should expect for people to be upset.

[moviefan2k4]

Well, with all due respect, most of the general audience doesn't even know who characters like Plastique or Parasite are. I sure didn't until this season started airing. Outside of rabid comic or cartoons fans, very few people know anything about Superman, except for the basics: Lex Luthor as the bad guy, the Clark Kent identity, Lois Lane as a love interest, and them working at the Daily Planet. Beyond that, there's all sorts of folks (myself inluded) who've gained the majority of their mythos from the series itself.

"Smallville" has always been geared toward the diehards and non-fans alike, and sometimes creative decisions are made, to serve both demographics at the same time...and despite the best attempts, sometimes one set of toes gets stepped on. When you're making any TV show based on another property, that's the risk taken going in every time. They can't make the series adhere completely to the books, because while the fans would enjoy it, everyone else would get bored rather quick.

[Jawth]

Well, with all due respect, most of the general audience doesn't even know who characters like Plastique or Parasite are. I sure didn't until this season started airing. Outside of rabid comic or cartoons fans, very few people know anything about Superman, except for the basics: Lex Luthor as the bad guy, the Clark Kent identity, Lois Lane as a love interest, and them working at the Daily Planet. Beyond that, there's all sorts of folks (myself inluded) who've gained the majority of their mythos from the series itself.

"Smallville" has always been geared toward the diehards and non-fans alike, and sometimes creative decisions are made, to serve both demographics at the same time...and despite the best attempts, sometimes one set of toes gets stepped on. When you're making any TV show based on another property, that's the risk taken going in every time. They can't make the series adhere completely to the books, because while the fans would enjoy it, everyone else would get bored rather quick.

If the majority don't care, and the fans of the source material hate it, how the hell is it a good decision to butcher the concepts? What you say is another problem in itself. Now a few million people might know of as a anti-hero who takes powers permantly instead of being...well, a murderous parasite that feeds off of life energy. No one will remember that they used the names of Neutron and Livewire and killed them off before they could serve the purpose they were created for except the people that it will piss off. If you match well enough with the source material it also makes transitioning into the other much, much easier. This is part of the reason Marvel is growing while DC is generally declining. Someone can watch Spider-Man or either of the first two X-Men films, pick up a comic and fairly easily figure out whats going on. When Smallville or Superman Returns goes against the comics like this, it's hurting bussiness for DC.

[j-kent]

To me, Injustice seemed to pimp out various things rather than focus on the story at hand. I wanted to see Clark execute his plan, and now we'll never see him even try to use that crystal again. I was also interested in seeing more of the team, but what did we get with that? We didn't even get the shadow guy from Prey.

I said it in another thread in this episode's forum: the events of this episode should have been split over 2 episodes, namely Beast & this one. Beast was so full of garbage. Instead they could have made a 2-part storyline with Chloe & Davis running away and the Injustice team on their tail. Instead Beast wasted so much time with garbage scenes and Injustice focused too much on Ollie-Tess, Clark-Tess, and Tess-Injustice team. We just never got a real mission going. It would have been nice to get Jimmy & Davis (and ugh, even Chloe) appearing in both episodes & seeing Davis go up against Injustice team members.

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The thing is, such a story would never appear in the comics because it would get rejected. If anyone saw a superhero in the comics jumping into bed with Tess or someone like her, I guarantee you there would be many readers who would never pick up another issue of that comic again. That was the most pathetic depiction of a "superhero" I have ever seen. The comics aren't a love story like this show has become. Thank God Dawn Ostroff has no control over them.

You seem to be intent on saying that the idea of Oliver being a playboy or whatever is far-fetched, or love or whatever in comics is unlikeable, for reasons I'm not sure you feel so strongly about that scene haha. It was merely him covering up his tracks...he wasn't playing his superhero persona, but his Oliver Queen persona.

You're interpretation of this scene is completely subjective, as I can assure you that Clark Kent, you're superhero is continuously depicted in more recent Action Comics and Superman issues in brief scenes of romance with Lois Lane...and thousands of people still continue to follow him.

Nightwing, in DC One Year Later, continued with his comic line in which he is continually depicted in sensual scenes of romance and tension of that sort with Cheyenne Freemont to represent his "player" lifestyle. People still follow these comics and are simply just brief depictions of one side of the standard dual identity. Actually comics, as they are obviously fiction, have the tendency to depict far-fetched scenes...but I'm not even sure I know where you're getting at with this idea

[Cromartiefan]

At this point I'm just glad Clark's first reaction to being depowered wasn't "Hey, I'm not affected by Kryptonite, I can bang Super-Lana"

Lower your expectations and Smallville becomes watchable.

[House of Brock]

I'm interested to know how the "source material" fans reacted in the early seasons with Clark being friends with Lex Luthor, how Clark became aware of his origins, the Kawatche Caves, etc.

Moviefan2k4 is right. With this being the 8th season, it has been clear to me that Smallville was a show meant to draw in diehards and people who didn't know much of anything about Superman. That is what television is. Movies can stay entirely with the comics because that is what the audience wants. Television is different because your trying to tell a story every week that should be plausible.

This was even true in The Incredible Hulk days as they tried to reach fans of the character and the general television audience as well. They made it as realistic as they could, something everyone could relate to. I think Smallville does that too.

[Jawth]

I'm interested to know how the "source material" fans reacted in the early seasons with Clark being friends with Lex Luthor, how Clark became aware of his origins, the Kawatche Caves, etc.

Moviefan2k4 is right. With this being the 8th season, it has been clear to me that Smallville was a show meant to draw in diehards and people who didn't know much of anything about Superman. That is what television is. Movies can stay entirely with the comics because that is what the audience wants. Television is different because your trying to tell a story every week that should be plausible.

This was even true in The Incredible Hulk days as they tried to reach fans of the character and the general television audience as well. They made it as realistic as they could, something everyone could relate to. I think Smallville does that too.

Lex and Clark did know each other in there childhood during the Silver Age. In fact, one of the reasons Lex hated Superboy(man) was because of an accident that made him bald.

Even if that wasn't true, they didn't do anything that was disrespectful to the stories. Lex was still destined to be evil, Clark was still the hero who saved the day with his amazing superpowers, Lana was his first real girlfriend and Pete was his best friend. All the characters stayed true to their intention and personality. This is not true anymore. Lana running around with permanent superpowers is ****ing ridiculous. Making Parasite a troubled teen who just wants to be left alone and can take people's powers forever is pathetic.

[moviefan2k4]

No one's forcing you to watch the series, Jawth. There's a difference between honest criticism, and just blowing steam for the sake of it. Your last comments were more to the latter.

Lana having super-powers is definitely something I didn't expect, but how else do you keep these two characters apart, who clearly are head-over-heels in love with each other? As depicted in the series, they'd never stay away from each other voluntarily, so the only way to solve the situation would be forcing them apart. Since Clark's only weaknesses are magic and Kryptonite, that left two options: having Zatanna cast some spell on them, or the "Krypto-absorption" route. Besides, they also needed to drive a huge wedge between Lex & Clark, and the Fortress collapse in "Arctic" wasn't enough. Clark's sense of justice has to (in some regard) stem from both his love for people and his anger towards Lex. For that to happen, Lex would have to do something so terrible, that Clark would never forget it. Turning the woman of his dreams into living Kryptonite certainly fits that bill. Yes, its hokey, and frankly rather extreme...but the writers had essentially pinned themselves into a corner, so something drastic was needed to get them out of it.

[Jawth]

No one's forcing you to watch the series, Jawth. There's a difference between honest criticism, and just blowing steam for the sake of it. Your last comments were more to the latter.

Lana having super-powers is definitely something I didn't expect, but how else do you keep these two characters apart, who clearly are head-over-heels in love with each other? As depicted in the series, they'd never stay away from each other voluntarily, so the only way to solve the situation would be forcing them apart. Since Clark's only weaknesses are magic and Kryptonite, that left two options: having Zatanna cast some spell on them, or the "Krypto-absorption" route. Besides, they also needed to drive a huge wedge between Lex & Clark, and the Fortress collapse in "Arctic" wasn't enough. Clark's sense of justice has to (in some regard) stem from both his love for people and his anger towards Lex. For that to happen, Lex would have to do something so terrible, that Clark would never forget it. Turning the woman of his dreams into living Kryptonite certainly fits that bill. Yes, its hokey, and frankly rather extreme...but the writers had essentially pinned themselves into a corner, so something drastic was needed to get them out of it.

Parasite is one of my favorite villians in comics. When I seen the spoilers that he'd be in the episode, I was estatic. Only to find that the character they slapped his name on had no resemblance the character.

I want to like this series very badly. Because of how much I enoyed the earlier episodes, I stayed with the show through the crap that was season seven, got estatic with the first half of season eight, declaring the show I loved was back. Except that they just went back to the same old Lana-Clark angst, Clark blaming himself for everything bad in the world (which worked when he was 16, but it's past time to grow up), and utterly destroying the source material when they try to bring it to life. Because I haven't been enjoying this series anymore, I said in my first post that if the finale doesn't wow me, I'm out and only will return if I hear great things.


The ending to season seven was the perfect end to Clana-Lana for once thinking for someone other than herself, and being honest about how she was holding him back from the man we knew he could become. Which he did, pretty much immediatly after he got back in the season eight opener.

Other ways to keep them apart? Guess what? People break up all the time! Have Clark find out about the stealing, the pointless torturing of Lionel after he had reformed, and have him remember all the times she acted like a complete ***** to him in the earlier seasons when he was just looking out for her. Have him tell her that all they bring each other is pain, and that if he ever sees her again he'll put her in jail for what she did to Lionel.

Or kill her off. Granted, thats doesn't match up with the source material either, but it's a lot less stupid than giving her superpowers forever and the character assasination that Clark went through. Or believing that someone like Lex wouldn't have a way to turn the biosuit off if it were ever used against him.

[Dyanara]

Why is Parasite being an anti-hero a problem? Is he not supposed to be?

[Jawth]

Why is Parasite being an anti-hero a problem? Is he not supposed to be?

He's a vampiric murderer that has to absorb the lifeforce of others to survive. When he drains normal people all is left is either a smoldering skeleton or a hollowed out shell, depending on the writer. He worked with the suicide Squad once, but did it to suck up everybody's energy and it took the combined Justice League and Suicide Squad to take him down.

he basically wants to kill Superman and absorb his lifeforce, which could power him for much longer than a human ever could and make him more powerful. It's also of note that the powers he gets from draining metahumans IS NOT PERMANENT, and he loses them slowly as the host recovers (assuming he or she is left alive).

[jon-el87]

He's a vampiric murderer that has to absorb the lifeforce of others to survive. When he drains normal people all is left is either a smoldering skeleton or a hollowed out shell, depending on the writer. He worked with the suicide Squad once, but did it to suck up everybody's energy and it took the combined Justice League and Suicide Squad to take him down.

he basically wants to kill Superman and absorb his lifeforce, which could power him for much longer than a human ever could and make him more powerful. It's also of note that the powers he gets from draining metahumans IS NOT PERMANENT, and he loses them slowly as the host recovers (assuming he or she is left alive).

Yeah, they might as well have made him into an original character codenamed "Power Thief" (due to the fact that his ability is here to steal the powers of other permantly, rather then having a parasitic ability to drain power from others for a short while) or something, because he was lightyears away from Parasite. Personally, I feel that the writers messed up the entire storyline (this episode was just the last straw). For one thing, these guys are supposed to be villains, not anti-heroes or anything like that. metahumans shouldn't have been recruited for the team, but rather forced into it (I'll get back to that later). First off, I wouldn't have used the Plastique (who here seems to be more of a messes up teen, then a villain), I would have rather introduced either Neutron or Livewire in the second episode, then in the end of the episode (after Neutron/Livewire have killed someone and tried to kill Chloe or Lois and been defeated by Clark) hint that the character has been (re)captured by Luthorcorp for a project Tess Mercer is working on. In Prey we were seen another character (Randy Klein) who appeared to be recruited to the team, but never appeared or was mentioned in "Injustice", so there they could have rather introduced another of the "Injustice League" members and have that person be captured by Luthorcorp. They could also have introduced Inertia (a partial clone of Bart Allen. Remember in "Justice", Luthorcorp captured Bart and it's safe to assume that they did take blood from him, which they then could have used to create Thaddeus Thawne) and a loosely based version of Ocean Master (I'm not that familiar with him from the comics. I only know that his name's Orm Marius, that he's Aquaman's half-brother and is a magic user. However, in this version he would probably be the product of 33,1. Remember "Aqua", where a Luthorcorp scientist took a sample of AC's blood. They could have used this blood sample to genetically engineer a person, to develop identical powers to Smallville's Aquaman), (two characters that Smallville's had the chance to introduce since season six) but only if Bart and Ac would appear in the episode, so they could fight their future enemies. I wouldn't kill anyone of the characters, because they're important to the future. The basic idea of how I think this episode should have been is simple; Over the past few months, Tess Mercer's been using Luthorcorp to capture several criminal metahumans, who are then implanted with a chip in their heads, for controll (the chip would explode, killing them, if they didn't do what she says). However, in the episode, the metahumans are able to use Livewire's abilities to neutralize the chips (freeing them all from Tess' controll). They would then attack the Luthor mansion. Livewire uses her powers to fry a few guards, while Parasite (who here drains energy from other people by skin to skin contact, not by some transparent purple figure that comes out of his body, enters the body of his vicum and then back into him again. What is that? Yes, I understand their reluctance to have the character running around with purple skin, but that could have been worked around. They could have made hints that his skin is slowely turning purple due to a degenerative sickness or have his skin glow purple, whenever he drains energy from someone) uses his ability to drain all lifeforce out of a few others, which is fatal to them, turning them into smoldering skeletons. They knock out Tess Mercer and ties her to a chair, while they try to figure out what they're going to do with her; Kill her or hold her for ransom. Neutron holds the Police off by threatening to use his nuclear powers to destroy all of Smallville if anyone tries to stop them. Clark, Oliver, Bart and AC then unites and attacks the Injustice League, fighting them off and defeating them. All the villains are then locked up. See it's a much better idea, it could use some more work, but on the other hand, I just made up most of it as I went along.