Something's not right: Oliver jumps into bed after stealing black-k?

[xrayvision]

I thought something was very wrong after seeing Green Arrow break into the vault & having plenty of time to leave, but instead just get into bed naked with Tess. I can't be the only one who thought this. Why would he risk everything he did by getting the black-k to just jump into bed with Tess when he could have easily shot down anyone in his way with an arrow? There's no way I buy that. I'm really starting to think that my theory is true and that there are currently 2 Olivers---the real one & Lex. I'd say the real one was the one in bed while Lex was the one who stole the black-k. He knew exactly where to get it (where the vault was).

I posted a theory after seeing Requiem that I refined after seeing Hex:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123481


I think Lex met with Zatanna's father (John Zatara) before he died and forced him to change his body to look like Oliver's (like Zatanna did to Chloe's body in Hex to make her look like Lois) or else he would kill Zatanna. So John Zatara complied & called Zatanna to say goodbye because he knew what would happen next. Lex then killed him shortly thereafter and stole his spellbook (or at least bought it on auction like Zatanna said). This is my theory on how I think there are 2 Olivers now & how Lex is parading around as one of them.

I think a switch was made sometime in Requiem and the real Lex killed a Lex clone he had set up in the truck. Meaning the real Lex as an Oliver lookalike is the one with the green-k ring and killed a clone of his to make everyone think Lex Luthor is dead. This would be a very evil mastermind plan fitting of Lex, and as a result he would learn about Oliver being the Green Arrow (just like he knows Clark's secret). He is also getting Clark to distrust him and is learning more & more about Clark's secrets, powers, and origins.

I think the real Injustice here is the tarnishing Lex is doing to the real Oliver Queen. He would be working with Clark now to help him rid Doomsday and will turn on him soon after.

I think a clear indicator that my theory is true is if we see "Oliver" show up next week or in an upcoming episode, and kill Tess. That would beyond the shadow of any doubt prove that any Oliver killing Tess is certain to be Lex getting his revenge.

I hope I'm right, as this would be the most evil, twisted plan Lex has ever had & be worthy of the true iconic Lex Luthor. It would also tie him to Zatanna and explain why he bought the spellbook and explain Ollie's behavior as Lex's.

[HornFan02]

he couldn't get out the hallway and he might have chosen not to risk the window. I don't know about lex looking like oliver.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

I thought something was very wrong after seeing Green Arrow break into the vault & having plenty of time to leave, but instead just get into bed naked with Tess. I can't be the only one who thought this. Why would he risk everything he did by getting the black-k to just jump into bed with Tess when he could have easily shot down anyone in his way with an arrow? There's no way I buy that. I'm really starting to think that my theory is true and that there are currently 2 Olivers---the real one & Lex. I'd say the real one was the one in bed while Lex was the one who stole the black-k. He knew exactly where to get it (where the vault was).

I posted a theory after seeing Requiem that I refined after seeing Hex:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123481


I think Lex met with Zatanna's father (John Zatara) before he died and forced him to change his body to look like Oliver's (like Zatanna did to Chloe's body in Hex to make her look like Lois) or else he would kill Zatanna. So John Zatara complied & called Zatanna to say goodbye because he knew what would happen next. Lex then killed him shortly thereafter and stole his spellbook (or at least bought it on auction like Zatanna said). This is my theory on how I think there are 2 Olivers now & how Lex is parading around as one of them.

I think a switch was made sometime in Requiem and the real Lex killed a Lex clone he had set up in the truck. Meaning the real Lex as an Oliver lookalike is the one with the green-k ring and killed a clone of his to make everyone think Lex Luthor is dead. This would be a very evil mastermind plan fitting of Lex, and as a result he would learn about Oliver being the Green Arrow (just like he knows Clark's secret). He is also getting Clark to distrust him and is learning more & more about Clark's secrets, powers, and origins.

I think the real Injustice here is the tarnishing Lex is doing to the real Oliver Queen. He would be working with Clark now to help him rid Doomsday and will turn on him soon after.

I think a clear indicator that my theory is true is if we see "Oliver" show up next week or in an upcoming episode, and kill Tess. That would beyond the shadow of any doubt prove that any Oliver killing Tess is certain to be Lex getting his revenge.

I hope I'm right, as this would be the most evil, twisted plan Lex has ever had & be worthy of the true iconic Lex Luthor. It would also tie him to Zatanna and explain why he bought the spellbook and explain Ollie's behavior as Lex's.

How can you explain the oliver clone to possess the same skills of green arrow. A clone would not possess those.

[27CDruid]

Why would he risk everything he did by getting the black-k to just jump into bed with Tess when he could have easily shot down anyone in his way with an arrow?

Because he is Oliver. :rotfl: He heard Tess coming and his brain switches right to nookie patrol mode. Its not the first time he has acted like a moron and it sure won't be the last. Honestly, i would have been very surprised if he had have thought logically and got straight out!

[razta]

Tollie!:rotfl:

[wickedwango]

man ur still on about this theory?? Man the whole krypto ring really mislead people!

[Bangmango]

I think a clear indicator that my theory is true is if we see "Oliver" show up next week or in an upcoming episode, and kill Tess.


Whats the bet this doesnt happen? :lol::lol::lol:


Just cant get over how dumb this is.

[Iluvgreen]

There is only one Oliver. Oliver would've seen "Lex" coming out of the vault.

[hero`s passion]

that scene rocks- I just LOVE Ollie- that was very funny!!!!!!:))))))

[FlashInSV]

I don't think Oliver is Lex..No, wait. I don't think that there's a second Oliver who is really Lex. Is it impossible that Oliver jumped into bed because deep down he has feelings for Tess? (also indicated by the way he carried her out of the office when she was held captive by the Injustice Leaguers, the scene deliberately in slow motion) Or maybe, Oliver simply didn't have time to escape. Tess would hear someone leave and the first thing she'd do? Check the vault to see if sth is missing.

[Lok]

He couldnt get out of the room quick enough thats why he jumped into bed, if he wanted to kill her why did he rescue her from the freaks just after and carry her out of the Manor?

this theory is utter rubbish

[mimi1123]

I think xrayvision may be onto something here. Rewatch the scene between Ollie and Clark at the beginning of the ep. When Clark says "We need the help of Lex Luthor," Ollie gets all fidget and nervous. And he walks right over to the bowl of lemons and sips on a Perrier in a very MRish way. Ollie has been doing these Lex-type mannerisms here and there ever since Lex blew up. Especially at the end of Requiem when he was fingering the kryptonite ring.

But on the other hand, it's hard to buy. I mean, I can't believe there are 2 ollies around. And I can't believe that Lex would play GA. So I don't know.

[MetroGirl06]

Heh, the writers aren't that clever. :p

[xrayvision]

Whats the bet this doesnt happen? :lol::lol::lol:


Just cant get over how dumb this is.


To me what's beyond retarded is Ollie getting into bed when he can easily shoot anyone in his way---like he did to Tess in Bloodline when he stole that generator device for Chloe.

As for Lex not possessing Ollie's skills, maybe he has some type of contact lenses on that tell him precisely where to aim & are somehow calibrated with the bow. As a matter of fact, didn't we see earlier in an episode that Ollie's shades have a targeting mechanism? I could have sworn they showed that.

The Oliver we saw in bed could have been there for a while. It doesn't make a lick of sense why Oliver would try to hook up with Tess at that precise moment. His primary reason to deal with Tess earlier was to get her fingerprints on the wine bottle. There was nothing productive to his plan of stealing the black-k by jumping into bed with her. Nothing. What would make sense is the real Oliver not being aware of "Lexiver"'s advances on Tess (to get her fingerprints) and then jumped into bed with her.

Something just isn't right. If anyone could turn Lex into another Oliver it was Zatanna's father. He did buy/steal the spellbook. Also, it makes perfect sense why Lex would kill him after transforming him (he wouldn't want anyone knowing he's camouflaged as Oliver). And Lex isn't dumb enough to let himself get blown up. Clark in Odyssey told Oliver that since he (Clark) escaped the collapsing Fortress without his powers, then so did Lex (which is why nobody could find him). Oliver even said that nothing alive was found in the region. There are huge clues that are being ignored. Tess'/Regan's men were there for a month & found nothing. They were still searching for Lex in Odyssey and Regan even injected Ollie with that serum from Chloe's mom to find Lex. Then all of a sudden, Regan has Lex in his possession in Power (or whatever episode that was)? I don't think so. How the hell could Lex as a vegetable get out on his own (as seen by Regan/Tess not being able to find him & everything else in Odyssey) but then suddenly turn up being cared for by Regan's men? I'm saying Lex set a clone of himself up with Regan because he has a master plan. He fooled Regan & Tess with it. Anything else doesn't make sense and would be a huge contradiction to everything they revealed in Odyssey.

[27CDruid]

To me what's beyond retarded is Ollie getting into bed when he can easily shoot anyone in his way---like he did to Tess in Bloodline when he stole that generator device for Chloe.


The Oliver we saw in bed could have been there for a while. It doesn't make a lick of sense why Oliver would try to hook up with Tess at that precise moment.

He wasn't in Tess's incredibly sensual bedroom in bloodline. Ollie enjoys the company of pretty females. He probably seen the risk adequate in his own idiotic way. Why knock Tess and her security team down when you can bow chika wow wow outta there?



His primary reason to deal with Tess earlier was to get her fingerprints on the wine bottle.

Oliver mixes business with pleasure. Do you think if things had have progressed he would have turned her down just to steal the black K?


There was nothing productive to his plan of stealing the black-k by jumping into bed with her. Nothing.


The plan comes second, the little lad downstairs comes first! Everything is productive.... or should i say reproductive? :eek:

[xrayvision]

Well then, if I was Clark, there's no way I'd ever depend on this guy. Because to be that stupid would jeopardize too many things.

I still can't believe he would be that stupid. We saw him in Identity put aside the pleasure to help Clark. Why didn't he then stash the Green Arrow uniform in another room in Bloodline and come back naked in front of the temporarily paralyzed Tess? Doing that in Bloodline would be as stupid as what it seems like he did in Injustice.

[KaraClarkfan]

good theory. his behavior have changed since reqiuem but i don't think ollie is a clone. (god i hope not)


I thought something was very wrong after seeing Green Arrow break into the vault & having plenty of time to leave, but instead just get into bed naked with Tess. I can't be the only one who thought this. Why would he risk everything he did by getting the black-k to just jump into bed with Tess when he could have easily shot down anyone in his way with an arrow? There's no way I buy that. I'm really starting to think that my theory is true and that there are currently 2 Olivers---the real one & Lex. I'd say the real one was the one in bed while Lex was the one who stole the black-k. He knew exactly where to get it (where the vault was).

I posted a theory after seeing Requiem that I refined after seeing Hex:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123481


I think Lex met with Zatanna's father (John Zatara) before he died and forced him to change his body to look like Oliver's (like Zatanna did to Chloe's body in Hex to make her look like Lois) or else he would kill Zatanna. So John Zatara complied & called Zatanna to say goodbye because he knew what would happen next. Lex then killed him shortly thereafter and stole his spellbook (or at least bought it on auction like Zatanna said). This is my theory on how I think there are 2 Olivers now & how Lex is parading around as one of them.

I think a switch was made sometime in Requiem and the real Lex killed a Lex clone he had set up in the truck. Meaning the real Lex as an Oliver lookalike is the one with the green-k ring and killed a clone of his to make everyone think Lex Luthor is dead. This would be a very evil mastermind plan fitting of Lex, and as a result he would learn about Oliver being the Green Arrow (just like he knows Clark's secret). He is also getting Clark to distrust him and is learning more & more about Clark's secrets, powers, and origins.

I think the real Injustice here is the tarnishing Lex is doing to the real Oliver Queen. He would be working with Clark now to help him rid Doomsday and will turn on him soon after.

I think a clear indicator that my theory is true is if we see "Oliver" show up next week or in an upcoming episode, and kill Tess. That would beyond the shadow of any doubt prove that any Oliver killing Tess is certain to be Lex getting his revenge.

I hope I'm right, as this would be the most evil, twisted plan Lex has ever had & be worthy of the true iconic Lex Luthor. It would also tie him to Zatanna and explain why he bought the spellbook and explain Ollie's behavior as Lex's.

[Qwayzer]

I logged in to let you know that I find your theory to be very good (really!), but I don't want you to be disappointed when you find it that it's not going to happen.

I understand why you don't see why he would be that stupid, but the problem is that the producers just wanted to show Justin Hartley unclothed, mainly for the female viewers. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if this whole episode was written for that main bedroom scene to occur.

So, we are now supposed to understand that Oliver has feelings for Tess, and vice-versa, due to her screaming when he was knocked down by the explosion. (Oh and yes, you may have noticed that his personality has been changing as this season progresses: he's becoming darker.)

Anyhow, great job with your theory; it would work well if their goal was to give us a plot twist. Alas, we mustn't expect too much, as we have reached the season finale already.

[xrayvision]

good theory. his behavior have changed since reqiuem but i don't think ollie is a clone. (god i hope not)

I'm not saying he's a clone. I'm thinking that there are 2 Olivers--the real one and Lex, who was changed by Zatanna's father to look like Oliver.

[mimi1123]

I don't think there are 2 Olivers. There is usually some kind of universal rule about balance. Like Zatanna had to give her life to bring her dad back. If Lex became Oliver, the original Oliver would have to go.

[xrayvision]

I don't think there are 2 Olivers. There is usually some kind of universal rule about balance. Like Zatanna had to give her life to bring her dad back. If Lex became Oliver, the original Oliver would have to go.

This doesn't make sense. The original Lois didn't die when Chloe turned into another Lois. In fact we saw the 2 Lois'es talking to one another on the phone.

[Exedore]

I am still hoping for your Lexiver theory to be true but in this instance I think they were just going for a comic/sexual tension kind of scene. Nothing too deep. Yeah I know it doesn't make much sense but hey, this is SV after all. ;)

[xrayvision]

^^I keep telling myself not to bother using logic when trying to explain plots in Smallville episodes. I guess I'll never learn. :)

[BWOracle]

I think that Oliver believes that one more attack on Tess as Green Arrow will help Tess to find out Oliver's secret. So he did it only to cover for the fact that GA broke into her vault.

[xrayvision]

I would just love to have a what the hell moment like they had in Gemini, but this one would be so much more clever because it would be completely out of left field with very subtle clues. It could still work if they want to make more out of it than they seem to be making it.

[Bangmango]

To me what's beyond retarded is Ollie getting into bed when he can easily shoot anyone in his way---like he did to Tess in Bloodline when he stole that generator device for Chloe.

As for Lex not possessing Ollie's skills, maybe he has some type of contact lenses on that tell him precisely where to aim & are somehow calibrated with the bow. As a matter of fact, didn't we see earlier in an episode that Ollie's shades have a targeting mechanism? I could have sworn they showed that.

The Oliver we saw in bed could have been there for a while. It doesn't make a lick of sense why Oliver would try to hook up with Tess at that precise moment. His primary reason to deal with Tess earlier was to get her fingerprints on the wine bottle. There was nothing productive to his plan of stealing the black-k by jumping into bed with her. Nothing. What would make sense is the real Oliver not being aware of "Lexiver"'s advances on Tess (to get her fingerprints) and then jumped into bed with her.

Something just isn't right. If anyone could turn Lex into another Oliver it was Zatanna's father. He did buy/steal the spellbook. Also, it makes perfect sense why Lex would kill him after transforming him (he wouldn't want anyone knowing he's camouflaged as Oliver). And Lex isn't dumb enough to let himself get blown up. Clark in Odyssey told Oliver that since he (Clark) escaped the collapsing Fortress without his powers, then so did Lex (which is why nobody could find him). Oliver even said that nothing alive was found in the region. There are huge clues that are being ignored. Tess'/Regan's men were there for a month & found nothing. They were still searching for Lex in Odyssey and Regan even injected Ollie with that serum from Chloe's mom to find Lex. Then all of a sudden, Regan has Lex in his possession in Power (or whatever episode that was)? I don't think so. How the hell could Lex as a vegetable get out on his own (as seen by Regan/Tess not being able to find him & everything else in Odyssey) but then suddenly turn up being cared for by Regan's men? I'm saying Lex set a clone of himself up with Regan because he has a master plan. He fooled Regan & Tess with it. Anything else doesn't make sense and would be a huge contradiction to everything they revealed in Odyssey.

1. you're thinkng too hard.
2. the writers arent that smart

[xrayvision]

Yeah, I came to that conclusion. It would be nice to be surprised, but given the track record, I won't hold my breath.

The thing is, if any of them come to this site & see this, it would still be totally possible if they ever decided to do it. Oliver's mannerisms were very similar to Lex's in his last scene with Clark.

[FlashInSV]

1. you're thinkng too hard.
2. the writers arent that smart

:rotfl:

[Kschreck]

Olivers just a horn dog. :lol:

[xrayvision]

Another thing I found to be off is Oliver picking up Parasite above his head. Oliver is not strong enough to do that. Perhaps he is taking some type of strength enhancer, or maybe this is another sign that who they show as Oliver isn't really him 100% of the time and that they could be showing us Oliver & Lex. I wouldn't put it past Lex to use strength enhancers.

There have just been too many things off. Oliver is typically a pacificist who doesn't kill. A huge part of me still thinks there's more going on than meets the eye.

[27CDruid]

A combat trained green arror person couldn't lift a 5'5 guy above his head? Find better proof.

[xrayvision]

The way he lifted him? No way. The way he lifted him was like a rag doll. I've seen people being pressed like that by people with much more muscle than the relatively scrawny Green Arrow, and it took more of an effort than what I saw. The way he lifted him was like a mannequin or dummy, not a 150+ lb guy. They never once showed Green Arrow lifting anyone till Injustice. It took more effort by beings with superhuman strength like Titan & Aldar to lift Clark than it did for GA to lift Parasite.

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Then again, when Lois as Stiletto came crashing through the skylight and kicked Ricky in the face, he went flying 15 feet across the room, so I shouldn't believe anything that I see in this show because it's just so damn inconsistent & BS.

[LJ-90]

I don't believe it.
First, how can nobody notice...at all.
Second, like it's said before Lex wouldn't know all the codes and everything that went down with the JL.
Also, why bother with all the "Green Arrow" stuff, he could just go and steal it, it's his safe and his mansion after all.
You're thinking too much, and trying to excuse Oliver from his bad judgment in the past episodes.
Also, you say that Lexoliver it's the one that blow that truck, but if this it's true, why he would go to meet Chloe in the Isis Fundation, how he could know that Chloe was the one the killed Sebastian, and he didn't seem surprised at the mention of Brainiac (something Lex would have been).
Oliver was nervous of the Lex subject, because he (believe) killed Lex, there is nothing more than that to it.
In the Bizarro situation you could see the little things, the most important was that "Clark" supposedly return from the fortress but his clothes were different, in a single episode they let you know Clark wasn't himself. There the Bizarro cliffhanger wasn't so crazy.
Oliver jumped in the bed, for two reason:
-He was horny/ he isn't serious enough.
-There wasn't another inmediate solution.

If we tried to get out like the GA, somebody would try to stop him, and I believe anyone would prefiere the option than deals with less fights. He was naked, because he take off his entire costume, there is also the part when he carried Tess, Oliver style.
Also when he and Clark discuss the team dealing with murders, and Clark told him a (Super) lecture, he looked somewhat thorn, like he regretted his actions (and after all the "We set an example" speech was epic), if he really would Lex in disguise he would just smile or something else.

The reason Oliver fight Tess (shot her) in Bloodline it's simple, she caught him in the suit, it isn't like he could undress and she wouldn't have notice. That's why he fought.

Look, I don't like the Oliver in murder spree either, but we have to accept that that's the way the showrunners are doing things, and they tried to make the evolution from good Oliver to Crazy ass, I'll kill if you even dress like bad guy Oliver, somewhat believable.

See, I don't want to sound like I'm insulting you or something like that, I only disagree entirely with this theory, but I have to tell you that it's interesting, and if you were the showrunner, and if you would have put more energy in setting this storyline maybe it could have work. It's somewhat really imaginative, if only we could have seen more things than could support this I could agree with you.

Any how, maybe you should write a fanfic or something with this idea, I would read it no doubt, if you do PM me. I could help if you want.

P.S: I'm sorry for the bad grammar, english is not my nativ languaje. I'm really sorry for all the wrong spelled words.

[xrayvision]

Also, you say that Lexoliver it's the one that blow that truck, but if this it's true, why he would go to meet Chloe in the Isis Fundation, how he could know that Chloe was the one the killed Sebastian, and he didn't seem surprised at the mention of Brainiac (something Lex would have been).

Well, I always thought it was weird that Oliver would have nothing else better to do than watch hospital security footage to see Chloe kill Sebastian. Oliver has better things to do and had nothing against Chloe at the time to want to spy on her or get evidence for blackmail. She killed Sebastian before Oliver saw that she was involved in things she shouldn't be---Bloodline (when he mentioned to Clark what Chloe did with the crystal and told him to make her stop). Maybe you're right & he started doing some checking on Chloe after what he saw her do in Bloodline and saw her killing Sebastian in the security video archive.

But Lex not being surprised about the mention of Brainiac could be due to learning about the name from someone. He did find out about kryptonite even though he supposedly forgot about its effects as he learned in Oracle from Lana. He definitely learned a lot more, and would have learned a great deal if he was posing around as Oliver for a long time.


Oliver was nervous of the Lex subject, because he (believe) killed Lex, there is nothing more than that to it.

Given the simplicity of the writers & their inability to actually create an interesting plot like the one suggested, I think that these things will just go unexplained since they really don't care about explaining what they're showing. I just find it very odd for Oliver to go from the personality he had at the end of episodes like Identity & Bloodline where you could see his mind was at the right place to his actions in Requiem. It's not impossible that it was Lex and he got nervous because the subject of the conversation came to the very thing Lex would be trying to conceal. If it was Lex, he could have been nervous that Clark uncoveredand was about to reveal evidence that showed that the real Lex didn't die in the explosion.


In the Bizarro situation you could see the little things, the most important was that "Clark" supposedly return from the fortress but his clothes were different, in a single episode they let you know Clark wasn't himself. There the Bizarro cliffhanger wasn't so crazy.
Oliver jumped in the bed, for two reason:
-He was horny/ he isn't serious enough.
-There wasn't another inmediate solution.

I definitely picked up on the things in Gemini that who they were trying to pass off as Clark was really Bizarro because I noticed similar things in Knight Rider's season 4 premiere. If Oliver being horny gets in the way of his "heroics" then I think the Green Arrow is even a sorrier excuse for a hero than I did before. And there certainly was another solution--escaping with the black-k & shooting down everyone in his way like he did in Bloodline.


If we tried to get out like the GA, somebody would try to stop him, and I believe anyone would prefiere the option than deals with less fights. He was naked, because he take off his entire costume, there is also the part when he carried Tess, Oliver style.
Also when he and Clark discuss the team dealing with murders, and Clark told him a (Super) lecture, he looked somewhat thorn, like he regretted his actions (and after all the "We set an example" speech was epic), if he really would Lex in disguise he would just smile or something else.

Like I said, he got in & left in Bloodline without being stopped and the case with the frequency generator was a lot bigger than the case with the black-k. If it's really Lex, he wouldn't want to give things away and put up too much resistance to Clark, but just roll with it.


The reason Oliver fight Tess (shot her) in Bloodline it's simple, she caught him in the suit, it isn't like he could undress and she wouldn't have notice. That's why he fought.

Why not do it here again? Why jeopardize the entire operation? What if a mansion staff member found the supposed stashed away Green Arrow costume? I know this will certainly just be a plothole because the writers can't come up with a great storyline tying Lex to Oliver, Tess, Clark, and Zatanna. It would be too cool to come up with a great plot like this that from now can explain Lex's return at the end of the series.


Look, I don't like the Oliver in murder spree either, but we have to accept that that's the way the showrunners are doing things, and they tried to make the evolution from good Oliver to Crazy ass, I'll kill if you even dress like bad guy Oliver, somewhat believable.

I agree. The showrunners unfortunately can't come up with great storylines anymore that set up Lex's future return. I'm sure if we see Lex back, it will have a ridiculous & contrived explanation to it like that unnecessarily complicated release of Zod from the Phantom Zone that we got in Vessel.


See, I don't want to sound like I'm insulting you or something like that, I only disagree entirely with this theory, but I have to tell you that it's interesting, and if you were the showrunner, and if you would have put more energy in setting this storyline maybe it could have work. It's somewhat really imaginative, if only we could have seen more things than could support this I could agree with you.

No problem. I never thought you were insulting me. My problem is that the creativity & imagination factor of the show is no longer there. Instead they just throw things at the viewers that are completely unexplained. Like that black crystal from Solitude for instance. That crystal was part of Brainiac and contained his programming. We know this because it did the same thing to the Fortress when it was placed in the crystal console in Solitude that the knife from the crystal console did when Clark threw it at Brainiac in Vessel. So it should have disappeared like the rest of Brainiac (Milton Fine & the Black Ship) did in Solitude. Instead, Clark pulled it out of nowhere in Beast. Perhaps it was recreated in Abyss when the Fortress turned all black, but the way Clark spoke about it doesn't make that seem likely. If that crystal was important enough to bring back, why couldn't the showrunners show its return? Instead we saw it out of nowhere after more than 3 years. It doesn't even make sense why Clark would keep something that dangerous around.


Any how, maybe you should write a fanfic or something with this idea, I would read it no doubt, if you do PM me. I could help if you want.

Thanks, but I have other fanfics that I have to finish writing that I'm much more interested in finishing after the last one I wrote almost 2 years ago.


P.S: I'm sorry for the bad grammar, english is not my nativ languaje. I'm really sorry for all the wrong spelled words.

You did a pretty good job.

[27CDruid]

The way he lifted him? No way. The way he lifted him was like a rag doll. I've seen people being pressed like that by people with much more muscle than the relatively scrawny Green Arrow, and it took more of an effort than what I saw. The way he lifted him was like a mannequin or dummy, not a 150+ lb guy. They never once showed Green Arrow lifting anyone till Injustice. It took more effort by beings with superhuman strength like Titan & Aldar to lift Clark than it did for GA to lift Parasite.


The average hieght of a 5'5 guy with a small frame is more around 135lbs. Im slightly heavier but around the same hieght myself. If i got a video of one of my mates throwing me in the same way would that prove it to ya?

GA isnt scrawny. Pretty big biceps by the looks of it.

[sithius]

The writers would never make a plot like this, I'm sorry OP but I don't think it is going to happen.

Why would Lex as Oliver be hanging around Oliver's office? What if Oliver came in?

I just think instead of causing a conflict, he just wanted to get away easily, which is what he did. After all, pissing off Tess as the Green Arrow wouldn't be a great idea, since she would then spend every waking moment trying to hunt him down. The GA doesn't want that sort of attention.

[dunkman]

Heh, the writers aren't that clever. :p

I agree with you. It was just poor writing having Oliver waiting in Tess's bedroom after stealing the black kryptonite, & it's too much to hope there is a deeper plot involved. I'm sure Lex isn't really dead, & there is likely to be cloning involved, but I don't think this theory about the Lex/Oliver disguise will hold true.

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Another thing I found to be off is Oliver picking up Parasite above his head. Oliver is not strong enough to do that. Perhaps he is taking some type of strength enhancer, or maybe this is another sign that who they show as Oliver isn't really him 100% of the time and that they could be showing us Oliver & Lex. I wouldn't put it past Lex to use strength enhancers.

There have just been too many things off. Oliver is typically a pacificist who doesn't kill. A huge part of me still thinks there's more going on than meets the eye.

Oliver's no Bruce Wayne, but he is stronger than he looks. I think his bow is supposed to have something like a 300 lb pull weight--that's why the arrows can penetrate steel & concrete.

[xrayvision]

The average hieght of a 5'5 guy with a small frame is more around 135lbs. Im slightly heavier but around the same hieght myself. If i got a video of one of my mates throwing me in the same way would that prove it to ya?

GA isnt scrawny. Pretty big biceps by the looks of it.

I don't consider his biceps big. They're bigger than average, but nothing like some wrestlers I've seen, who have much bigger muscles than his and still can't lift someone with that sort of ease. It's much harder to lift a human than a barbell (dead weight) of the same weight. The lift looked too fake--it was obvious he picked up a dummy and not the actual actor (or at beast the actor was on some sort of harness to lift him up).

But like I said, I'm willing to concede this point for the pure fact that we have seen ridiculous scenes like this before, like when Lois kicked Ricky in the face as she fell through the skylight in Stiletto and he flew 20 feet across the room. This scene with Ollie was of the same caliber, but not as fake as that one.

[ZeoVGM]

Guys, there isn't 2 Olivers. lol

He just didn't want to risk the hallway, when he knew Tess was coming.

Also, he's Oliver, and he wanted to get laid.

[xrayvision]

The writers would never make a plot like this, I'm sorry OP but I don't think it is going to happen.

Why would Lex as Oliver be hanging around Oliver's office? What if Oliver came in?

I just think instead of causing a conflict, he just wanted to get away easily, which is what he did. After all, pissing off Tess as the Green Arrow wouldn't be a great idea, since she would then spend every waking moment trying to hunt him down. The GA doesn't want that sort of attention.

Well, Tess has a lot bigger things on her mind, though he doesn't know that.

Also, Lex could have had a GPS chip embedded in the real Oliver while he was in the hospital in Requiem. Anyway, I'm just entertaining this idea to show that it would be a cool way to keep Lex involved and bring him back realistically instead of having some inexplicable contrived, overly-complicated, non-sensical storyline if/when he returns like they did with so many things. I know that the writers would never be smart enough to actually sow the seeds of Lex's return from now.

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Guys, there isn't 2 Olivers. lol

He just didn't want to risk the hallway, when he knew Tess was coming.

Also, he's Oliver, and he wanted to get laid.

I just find that to be piss poor writing and/or reasoning on Oliver's part when he had an entire arsenal & could have probably gotten out a window without being detected. I mean seriously, what kind of hero disrobes & jumps into bed when the going gets tough?

[j-kent]

IMO these theories are grasping at straws BIG TIME. I disagree that it was poor writing..simply he didn't have time and he was just being Playboy Oliver. You can "what if" the whole show, but this is how the writers presented it to us and wasn't far-fetched at all...

[xrayvision]

I just find it funny how he calls himself a hero let alone a superhero after being such a coward. What would a kid who was reading a comic book of the Green Arrow or some other superhero say if they saw him jumping into bed because the heat was on? And there was no pressure on him, at least nothing even close to what we usually see. That had to be one of the most retarded scenes I've ever seen. It ranks up there with that pointless helicopter scene in Gone. Even that scene made more sense.

I'm a fan of the comics, and it's an insult to me to see what I saw in that scene. At least I could care less about the Green Arrow. The best thing is if Clark banishes him from Metropolis. In my opinion he already overstayed his welcome back in Sneeze. It angers me how they can bring a non-Metropolis based clown on this show in a costume instead of giving Metropolis' own hero a pre-Superman costume so we can have the real hero get his long deserved spotlight. This is a perfect example of what I call gimmicks to take the spotlight off Clark and to ooh & ahh the fans. Instead, it just pisses off fans of this show who got into it in the early seasons because we believed it to be a show about Clark becoming Superman. That clearly isn't the case anymore. They could have elongated the show without such unneeded distractions. There are so many things we should have seen development-wise that we didn't.

[j-kent]

You're entitled to your interpretation, but it isn't far-fetched at all..seeing that he played on Tess in an earlier scene. He isn't just playing GA...he's also playing a playboy billionaire. Also, you can't expect much from SV..these writers aren't DC writers and simply trying their best, and have made a fair representation...not to mention their own interpretation

[xrayvision]

Yeah, I get what you're saying. These writers probably have to please some sexual initiative the network has forced them to adhere to, especially with Dawn Ostroff's goals. I heard that Al/Miles were forced into doing Thirst in season 5. It's a shame if the network has gained so much control of Smallville. I could easily understand why DC won't allow Batman to ever be on this or any show.

[27CDruid]

The way he lifted him? No way. The way he lifted him was like a rag doll. I've seen people being pressed like that by people with much more muscle than the relatively scrawny Green Arrow, and it took more of an effort than what I saw. The way he lifted him was like a mannequin or dummy, not a 150+ lb guy.

Whiping someone into the air is much less taxing than slowly lifting them in a vertical collection. He may have had the benefit of momentum. Plus its 135lbs.

[galatians221]

I thought something was very wrong after seeing Green Arrow break into the vault & having plenty of time to leave, but instead just get into bed naked with Tess. I can't be the only one who thought this. Why would he risk everything he did by getting the black-k to just jump into bed with Tess when he could have easily shot down anyone in his way with an arrow? There's no way I buy that. I'm really starting to think that my theory is true and that there are currently 2 Olivers---the real one & Lex. I'd say the real one was the one in bed while Lex was the one who stole the black-k. He knew exactly where to get it (where the vault was).

I posted a theory after seeing Requiem that I refined after seeing Hex:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123481


I think Lex met with Zatanna's father (John Zatara) before he died and forced him to change his body to look like Oliver's (like Zatanna did to Chloe's body in Hex to make her look like Lois) or else he would kill Zatanna. So John Zatara complied & called Zatanna to say goodbye because he knew what would happen next. Lex then killed him shortly thereafter and stole his spellbook (or at least bought it on auction like Zatanna said). This is my theory on how I think there are 2 Olivers now & how Lex is parading around as one of them.

I think a switch was made sometime in Requiem and the real Lex killed a Lex clone he had set up in the truck. Meaning the real Lex as an Oliver lookalike is the one with the green-k ring and killed a clone of his to make everyone think Lex Luthor is dead. This would be a very evil mastermind plan fitting of Lex, and as a result he would learn about Oliver being the Green Arrow (just like he knows Clark's secret). He is also getting Clark to distrust him and is learning more & more about Clark's secrets, powers, and origins.

I think the real Injustice here is the tarnishing Lex is doing to the real Oliver Queen. He would be working with Clark now to help him rid Doomsday and will turn on him soon after.

I think a clear indicator that my theory is true is if we see "Oliver" show up next week or in an upcoming episode, and kill Tess. That would beyond the shadow of any doubt prove that any Oliver killing Tess is certain to be Lex getting his revenge.

I hope I'm right, as this would be the most evil, twisted plan Lex has ever had & be worthy of the true iconic Lex Luthor. It would also tie him to Zatanna and explain why he bought the spellbook and explain Ollie's behavior as Lex's.

Did they take Oliver to the hospital after the explosion and if so, did anyone notice his strange choice in clothing? Did they give him the black K back? Well he gave it to Clark in the end but it sure seems like Oliver had a lot of "splainin to do" (Ricky Ricardo jargon)

[j-kent]

Yeah, I get what you're saying. These writers probably have to please some sexual initiative the network has forced them to adhere to, especially with Dawn Ostroff's goals. I heard that Al/Miles were forced into doing Thirst in season 5. It's a shame if the network has gained so much control of Smallville. I could easily understand why DC won't allow Batman to ever be on this or any show.

I don't think that's the point. I think it's the writers attempting to blend Oliver Queen's character into a more billionaire playboy persona of the Bruce Wayne sort. It is more simple and realistic than how you view it: Oliver is just a playboy and is naturally horny for Tess- just to put it out there haha. He still has feelings for Tess. Also, he wants Tess to think he is this persona which isn't a bad idea in order to divert any suspicion of him being GA. Like Bruce Wayne, what better way to lead ppl away then to run conglomerates, spend money lavishly, and think you can woo any women. There isn't any sex initiative lol...although you're not completely off: people know that sex sells and sexy scenes call for more entertainment. But that wasn't anywhere near the caliber of previous scenes. The idea here is to entertain. But this is already completely off subject and oversimplified. The true idea was to stay consistent with Oliver's seducing Tess. Remember- superheroes lead dual identities- they aren't just 24/7 heroes.

[UpandAtom]

Whiping someone into the air is much less taxing than slowly lifting them in a vertical collection. He may have had the benefit of momentum. Plus its 135lbs.

It reminds me of the scene in The Dark Knight where Batman bent the metal tip of a gun with the help of a miniature device. Oliver could have had some type of harness strapped to his GA costume that makes it easier to lift people without as much effort.

[jpfort1957]

Jumping into bed after stealing the Black K??????????? It was a good cover, Tess had just told him to keep his cork in his pants, she believed it was all about her........and feel right for it!!!!!!!!!!! Sometimes he reminds me.........Of ME!!!!!!!!!!!