Tess/Kandor/Zod

[KryptonChuck]

They so ended this with the debut of Zod and the Kandor storyline!!

[Alexander III]

WHAT IS GOING ON??? Was that Jor-El talking??

[REebee52]

Yeah that seemed interesting. Except wasn't that orb put by Jor El? Why is it Zod? And what is the connection with Zod and Kandor? Why am i so confused!

[Ragius]

What is that? I'm a DC noob.

[Aries83]

Holy ****...That was AWESOME...Just when I thought it couldn't rebound from last week, this show surprises me again. Tess Mercer is more intertwined in the mythology now...She can't die...I can't wait to see the finale!!!!!!!! Wow!

[KryptonChuck]

Or was that globe suppose to be the remains of BrainIAC?!

[ManOfSteel87]

Kandor is fine and well but damn I didn't want to see Zod, who will probably definately take over Davis' body next semester. We already seen Zod one time, do something else. Guess that means no Intergang/Darkseid, Metallo, or some other bad guy next year.

[green_arrow_girl358]

didn't sound like him. wasn't that thing destroyed in Arctic?!?!?!

[hamburgers]

OH sh***t

[Estro-gen X]

Yeah that seemed interesting. Except wasn't that orb put by Jor El? Why is it Zod? And what is the connection with Zod and Kandor? Why am i so confused!

In recent comics he was there when Brainiac captured it and vowed to save the people there.

I wonder where this leaves Kara?

[FLyxNERD]

Yeah that seemed interesting. Except wasn't that orb put by Jor El? Why is it Zod? And what is the connection with Zod and Kandor? Why am i so confused!

kandor is the name of the place they lived in planet krypton..zod and kara lived there

[DaTraggernaut]

wow

[roccanater]

That's crazy! I can't say I saw that comming.

[Baron Karza]

Kandor? Whut? Does this mean Superbabe is coming back too?

[darkjones85]

Is it just me or was that symbol they showed for next episode the symbol of Zod?

[O'Neill]

Who knows... this shows has taken so many u-turns, its getting ridiculous.

[FLyxNERD]

if they do bring in zod..i hope they dont have like what they did in season 5..have lex/zod

[LoisLaneJournalist]

The orb Talks!!
Jor eL ?
ZOD?

[O'Neill]

Maybe Kara will return, kick some butt, and make Clark look more wimpy than he already is. Sure is a messed up storyline.

[Estro-gen X]

does that mean Kal/Lara/Jor lived in kryptonopolis the pre crisis capital?

[KryptonChuck]

I pointed that out in another thread, that it seemed like the symbol of ZOD was burned into the ground in the Season Finale video on EW.com

[Var-Zol]

kandor lives!!!!!!!!

Krypton lives!!!

[Estro-gen X]

Maybe Kara will return, kick some butt, and make Clark look more wimpy than he already is. Sure is a messed up storyline.

I have no faith in PS3 and other heroes. They are making Green Arrow look like a villain just to make clark look good. When you have to do other characters down then your protagonist isn't as awesome as you think he is.

[roccanater]

Kara?

[Ella]

Was that zod? and isn't kandor like kara territory? oh man, I'm so confused.

[ManOfSteel87]

Well Kara left in search of Kandor, so this HAS to bring her back to SV. . . please let it bring LV back!

[Aries83]

Maybe Kara will return, kick some butt, and make Clark look more wimpy than he already is. Sure is a messed up storyline.

Oh, c'mon...Just enjoy the ride for Christ's sake...LMAO :D:rotfl:

[marcella]

WTH? This doesn't make any sense

[AndiGirl]

Can someone explain what the hell the ending was about?
I'm not a DC person...so I'm completely lost! :o

[Estro-gen X]

Can someone explain what the hell the ending was about?
I'm not a DC person...so I'm completely lost! :o

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandor

[Timester]

Yet again, they are following what Geoff is doing in the comics. I pretty much suspected that with Zod coming, the New Krypton arc would be close by.

I need that people tell me about the orb, since I can't see the episode until tomorrow, but I'm 80% sure that the orb IS the Bottle City of Kandor.

[Lara Lor Van]

so now we have Tess/Zod

[FLyxNERD]

lex: kneel before zod
lana: what is zod

hahahahha

[davidbrenton]

Well, I'm really glad that they are bringing in a larger, over-arcing element of the Superman world. It's a little confusing now not knowing anything about Kandor, etc. but I think it shows promise.

--Strong mythology based storylines can take us away from the knee-jerk, inconsistant tone each episode has from the previous one. I think this show needs a strong story with true Superman/Kryptonian appeal.

[ManOfSteel87]

If that was Zod talking through the orb, like it seems it was, does Tess really know what she is getting involved in w/ Zod? Maybe she is one who ends up dying, but b/c of Zod and not b/c of Doomsday.

[Estro-gen X]

Yet again, they are following what Geoff is doing in the comics. I pretty much suspected that with Zod coming, the New Krypton arc would be close by.

I need that people tell me about the orb, since I can't see the episode until tomorrow, but I'm 80% sure that the orb IS the Bottle City of Kandor.

I suspected that too but it will be silly to do New Krypton, its way too big and is incomplete

[Var-Zol]

I hope so, this means Clark will finally get to know his homeworld! :)

[O'Neill]

Oh, c'mon...Just enjoy the ride for Christ's sake...LMAO :D:rotfl:

Way too many bumps and holes to enjoy any sort of ride. :lol:

[ManOfSteel87]

so now we have Tess/Zod

Zess? Tod?

[hamburgers]

well, i'm really glad that they are bringing in a larger, over-arcing element of the superman world. It's a little confusing now not knowing anything about kandor, etc. But i think it shows promise.

--strong mythology based storylines can take us away from the knee-jerk, inconsistant tone each episode has from the previous one. I think this show needs a strong story with true superman/kryptonian appeal.

true dat!!

[Canary]

WOW..
mY Brain is like having a spazzimmm!

Diden't see that comeing.

[AndiGirl]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kandor

Thanks Nikki! :)
And yea....thats pretty intense. :eek:
So Tess being absorbed in the purple glow....was that it being released? :\

[Var-Zol]

Im estatic, finally we get to see a surviving bit of Krypton on Smallville!

[Timester]

I suspected that too but it will be silly to do New Krypton, its way too big and is incomplete

Well, Kandor is New Krypton. With Zod around, it's pretty much like the Geoff's arc. PS3 did said that they wanted to get closer to the mythos as possible.

[moviefan2k4]

OK, why on Earth is anyone assuming that voice was General Zod? His self-titled episode in season 6 ended with him being sucked out of Lex's body into Raya's "phantom killer" crystal. That artifact was later destroyed when Clark faced Bizarro, and there's been no mention of any possibility that Zod's "ghost" could have survived, much less found its way into the Orb.

Therefore, the only theory I have is that either Brainiac is communicating from the still-damaged Fortress (which would fall in line with the Kandor subplot), or its a character we haven't been introduced to yet. Audibly, the voice almost sounded like Justin Hartley, with a huge "electric chorus" effect added. :)

[Aries83]

Way too many bumps and holes to enjoy any sort of ride. :lol:

I've just learned to go with it ever since MR left last year :rolleyes:

[Estro-gen X]

Krypton itself doesn't have the technology to enlarge the city, thats Brainiac territory

[moviefan2k4]

Also, how could the Orb actually be Kandor, when it was used to sap Clark's powers in "Arctic"?

[melissan02]

They may be getting closer to mythos, Timester, but I'm as confused as all get out while they do!:lol:
I get the whole purple orb thing, but who was that speaking to Tess and what was said exactly? Can you shed some light on all this, please?:confused:

[The Striving Artist®]

Unless Zod convinces Tess he's Jor-El,Clark's biological father.When Tess releases the portal she realizes that she was screwed by someone not named Oliver and die.Makes sense.

As to how Zod was able to contact Tess via the orb is another mystery.

Speaking of which if that as Zod it was a nice callback to "Justice&Doom" since Zod contacted Isobella through a crystal ball.

[clois-destiny-forever]

How can this be helping Clark?

[Timester]

OK, why on Earth is anyone assuming that voice was General Zod? His self-titled episode in season 6 ended with him being sucked out of Lex's body into Raya's "phantom killer" crystal. That artifact was later destroyed when Clark faced Bizarro, and there's been no mention of any possibility that Zod's "ghost" could have survived, much less found its way into the Orb.

It's because of spoilers. No, I'm not going to write them here, those interested, check the spoilers forum.

[myankskent]

Also, how could the Orb actually be Kandor, when it was used to sap Clark's powers in "Arctic"?

The bottom line is that whatever TPTB want the Orb to be, that's what it will be. It doesn't necessarily have to make sense.

[ManOfSteel87]

OK, why on Earth is anyone assuming that voice was General Zod? His self-titled episode in season 6 ended with him being sucked out of Lex's body into Raya's "phantom killer" crystal. That artifact was later destroyed when Clark faced Bizarro, and there's been no mention of any possibility that Zod's "ghost" could have survived, much less found its way into the Orb.

Therefore, the only theory I have is that either Brainiac is communicating from the still-damaged Fortress (which would fall in line with the Kandor subplot), or its a character we haven't been introduced to yet. Audibly, the voice almost sounded like Justin Hartley, with a huge "electric chorus" effect added. :)

Everybody is assuming it was Zod b/c in the trailer released by Ausiello for the season finale, the symbol for Zod is seen so everybody is thinking Zod is the bad guy for next season. And ever since Lois as Faora (sp?) talked about Davis looking like Zod, people are waiting for Davis to become Zod at some point.

[spideyfan]

It was a wtf surprise moment...

[O'Neill]

Isnt the orb Kandor itself, but in miniature form? And didnt superman keep it in the fortress?

[Timester]

Krypton itself doesn't have the technology to enlarge the city, thats Brainiac territory

Which was working for Zod. As wierd as it looks, it does fit with the Smallville story, with Brainiac being a Zod-bot.

[FLyxNERD]

OK, why on Earth is anyone assuming that voice was General Zod? His self-titled episode in season 6 ended with him being sucked out of Lex's body into Raya's "phantom killer" crystal. That artifact was later destroyed when Clark faced Bizarro, and there's been no mention of any possibility that Zod's "ghost" could have survived, much less found its way into the Orb.

Therefore, the only theory I have is that either Brainiac is communicating from the still-damaged Fortress (which would fall in line with the Kandor subplot), or its a character we haven't been introduced to yet. Audibly, the voice almost sounded like Justin Hartley, with a huge "electric chorus" effect added. :)

well it showed the symbol of Zod on next weeks trailer

[Timester]

The bottom line is that whatever TPTB want the Orb to be, that's what it will be. It doesn't necessarily have to make sense.

To be fair, the orb was never explained. It makes more sense in being Kandor than anything else.

[Vergon6]

It's possible since the Fortress still looks dark for the most part, that the purple orb was transformed from an instrument of Jor-El to an instrument of Zod. Some part of Brainiac may be lying dormant there.

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To be fair, the orb was never explained. It makes more sense in being Kandor than anything else.
But how can it be the bottle city of Kandor if it seemed to hurt Clark in "Arctic"?

[Estro-gen X]

Well, Kandor is New Krypton. With Zod around, it's pretty much like the Geoff's arc. PS3 did said that they wanted to get closer to the mythos as possible.

I thought you meant New Krypton the storyline,There are a few reasons I don't think it will happen

1)a new kryptonian planet in the solar system is too huge for smallville. Hell, one city that is not metropolis is too big
2)Zod is only released AFTER New Krypton is created
3)Zor-El is dead and Evil in Smallville
4)A whole planet of aliens with super-powers

Even then I'm being leniant with adaptation especially as Geoff won't finish the story until half way through season 10 of Smallville.

I think they can do Kandor but not New Krypton:)

['Tonio09]

WOW! Ok I didnt see that coming, The orb talks and Tess knows about Kandor?? Now I cant REALLY cant wait for the finale!!!!!

[Timester]

I thought you meant New Krypton the storyline,There are a few reasons I don't think it will happen

1)a new kryptonian planet in the solar system is too huge for smallville. Hell, one city that is not metropolis is too big
2)Zod is only released AFTER New Krypton is created
3)Zor-El is dead and Evil in Smallville
4)A whole planet of aliens with super-powers

Even then I'm being leniant with adaptation especially as Geoff won't finish the story until half way through season 10 of Smallville.

I think they can do Kandor but not New Krypton:)

Ah, no. Not New Krypton planet. :p

I meant the story arc, with Kandor and Zod.

[Estro-gen X]

Also, how could the Orb actually be Kandor, when it was used to sap Clark's powers in "Arctic"?

It has a red sun inside which explains its pinkiness:\

[Timester]

But how can it be the bottle city of Kandor if it seemed to hurt Clark in "Arctic"?

Kryptonian Ex Machina

How Jor-El has godlike powers? :p

[VisionGirl]

I think Tess thinks she's helping Clark (and the world), but is being manipulated by the talking ball.

[Tebow15]

I am confused

[Vergon6]

Kryptonian Ex Machina

How Jor-El has godlike powers? :p
Basically you are saying it will do what ever they retcon it to do? lol makes sense on Smallville. Sort of like the whole Lex is not really Sageeth b.s. lol

[Timester]

Basically you are saying it will do what ever they retcon it to do?

They can't retcon a plothole. ;)

[dru-zod2501]

Well played Smallville!! Very well played!!

the ending hit me like a Mack truck. Kandor baby!!!!

[Vergon6]

They can't retcon a plothole. ;)
Ah yes. The thing that was supposed to make him a Clarkbot actually takes away his powers....wait no, we decided that's not what happened after all..yada yada yada lol

[Aries83]

Ah yes. The thing that was supposed to make him a Clarkbot actually takes away his powers....wait no, we decided that's not what happened after all..yada yada yada lol

Maybe when it took his powers it took his DNA. Remember when Raya said that only the blood from the House of El could open the portal? Maybe his blood is needed to resurrect the city since Kara has not found it...but that still doesn't explain Tess Mercer's connection..

[Kschreck]

I'm not sure how I feel about this story arc. Could be interesting or could suck. Guess we will have to wait and see. Looks like Tess is going down the path of evil though...

[ClavisAllTheWay]

If this ball thingy really IS the city of kansor, then when do you think Clark will discover it? It's a big thing plot- wise, but I don't see it being in the finale, won't that take up, like a lot time??

[Timester]

If this ball thingy really IS the city of kansor, then when do you think Clark will discover it? It's a big thing plot- wise, but I don't see it being in the finale, won't that take up, like a lot time??

It will be next season's story arc.

Rao forbidden PS3 planning season endings differently than AlMiles, because people get confused. :lol:

[Var-Zol]

Now show us terrence stamp as jor-el and its perfect!

[captaincrunch1199]

what the so confused, if i'm this confused after the end of the season finale, Smallville will suck real bad. Everyone should die in the finale, end all this confusion.

[t3000]

Doesn't make sense for the sphere to be Kandor. Wasn't Brainiac the one who shrank Kandor? Well we know last season Braniac couldn't pick up the sphere (because it was for man to use to save them from Kal-El if he turned bad). Oh wait! We'll just pretend that didn't happen and pull something else out of our ass and say this is what we really meant. Yeah, Smallville fans don't actually remember stuff from other seasons do they? It's not as if they've watched every single episode since the pilot right?? Give me a break. Clark going to fly anytime? You know superman kind of knows how to do that.

[Timester]

what the so confused, if i'm this confused after the end of the season finale, Smallville will suck real bad. Everyone should die in the finale, end all this confusion.

Being confused is kinda the point of a sci-fi drama like Smallville. At least PS3 finally brought it to Smallville.

[myankskent]

Kryptonian Ex Machina

How Jor-El has godlike powers? :p

Which means that the Orb will become whatever TPTB want it to become, even if it was something else last season.

[Timester]

Doesn't make sense for the sphere to be Kandor. Wasn't Brainiac the one who shrank Kandor? Well we know last season Braniac couldn't pick up the sphere (because it was for man to use to save them from Kal-El if he turned bad). Oh wait! We'll just pretend that didn't happen and pull something else out of our ass and say this is what we really meant. Yeah, Smallville fans don't actually remember stuff from other seasons do they? It's not as if they've watched every single episode since the pilot right?? Give me a break. Clark going to fly anytime? You know superman kind of knows how to do that.

We have no idea of Kandor in Smallville. Brainiac is a Zod-bot in Smallville, unlike the comics.

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Which means that the Orb will become whatever TPTB want it to become, even if it was something else last season.

You know me too well. :eek: :lol:

[Maria1023]

How many artifacts from Krypton can they jam into Smallville.?

My brain hurts.....

[ClavisAllTheWay]

Do think the orb will be mentioned or shown in the finale, setting a little bait for the hungry eager watchers giving a little something to hold on to while we wait for the next season? Or will they just save everything for next season???

[ClarkyBoy14]

I wasn't expecting this to happen!

I think it can be interesting. However, if it really was Zod talking to Tess (and I think it was), then I'm not positive that he was being honest about Kandor. He may have been lying, just to get her to do what he wants. I'm confused about how he can use the orb, though. I hope that's explained.

By the way, anyone thinking that Zod may be "X" from earlier in the season?

[Vergon6]

I wasn't expecting this to happen!

I think it can be interesting. However, if it really was Zod talking to Tess (and I think it was), then I'm not positive that he was being honest about Kandor. He may have been lying, just to get her to do what he wants. I'm confused about how he can use the orb, though. I hope that's explained.

By the way, anyone thinking that Zod may be "X" from earlier in the season?
It's possible. How he could have retrieved and sent the Fortress crystal? Unless it was Chloeiac that did it, which I think happened.

[mr lane]

It's possible. How he could have retrieved and sent the Fortress crystal? Unless it was Chloeiac that did it, which I think happened.

Chloeiac had to play a big part in enabling Zod to communicate through the Orb or at all

this is getting ridiculous

[ClavisAllTheWay]

I wasn't expecting this to happen!

I think it can be interesting. However, if it really was Zod talking to Tess (and I think it was), then I'm not positive that he was being honest about Kandor. He may have been lying, just to get her to do what he wants. I'm confused about how he can use the orb, though. I hope that's explained.

By the way, anyone thinking that Zod may be "X" from earlier in the season?
What's x? I don't recall it at all.k:confused:

[mr lane]

What's x? I don't recall it at all.k:confused:

when the crystal is stolen the first time early in the season tess gets an email that says something like

"you're not ready yet - X"

or something like that, many people thought it was Lex

[SGuthrie27]

Whaaaa?!?! Craziness! What a bizarre (but potentially cool) twist! Wow! I think it's certainly interesting, but I do believe that Tess THINKS she's helping Clark, even though that's probably not what the "voice from the orb" has in mind... Maybe it's the mysterious and invisible "Jacob" from "Lost!"

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[ClarkyBoy14]

when the crystal is stolen the first time early in the season tess gets an email that says something like

"you're not ready yet - X"

or something like that, many people thought it was Lex

Yep, and then Clark received the crystal in the mail a few episodes later and it was reprogrammed and it sent him to the Phantom Zone.

[captaincrunch1199]

U know smallville has run it's course when Doomsday and Kandor are parts of the storylines.

[ClarkyBoy14]

It's possible. How he could have retrieved and sent the Fortress crystal? Unless it was Chloeiac that did it, which I think happened.

Yah, could have been. But I also don't get how Zod can communicate through the orb. Unless Chloiac reprogrammed it, like mr lane mentioned.

[Vergon6]

when the crystal is stolen the first time early in the season tess gets an email that says something like

"you're not ready yet - X"

or something like that, many people thought it was Lex
Yeah and maybe that's exactly who Zod or Brainiac wanted her to think it was. Then once Tess was soured on Lex, Zod started communicating (and likely impersonating someone else) with her through the orb.

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Yah, could have been. But I also don't get how Zod can communicate through the orb. Unless Chloiac reprogrammed it, like mr lane mentioned.
Yeah she must of. Alternatively, when Brainiac took over the Fortress, maybe that's when the orb was reprogrammed. Since the orb seemed to be connected with the Fortress.

This better be all clearly explained eventually.

[AndiGirl]

Am I the only one who thinks Tess didnt really destroy the crystal...and she's just saying she did? :\

[ClavisAllTheWay]

Ooh that would be so cool!!! Small little hints intertwining to become the main storyline not for the current season but for the NEXT season! Soooooo cool!!!!

[Vergon6]

Am I the only one who thinks Tess didnt really destroy the crystal...and she's just saying she did? :\
I think it's possible she didn't. Just like I think it's possible that Clark didn't destroy the legion ring like he claimed.

[yomama]

I had to rewind to make sure I heard "Kandor" and then thought WTF?!?--in an entirely excited way!

If at the beginning of the season anyone asked me whether Tess Mercer would end up as a secularized pseudo-religious fanatic, I wouldn't havve thought it. She doesn't seem to have problems taking instructions from the unseen men in her life...First Lex--now whoever was talking to her at the end.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Yeah and maybe that's exactly who Zod or Brainiac wanted her to think it was. Then once Tess was soured on Lex, Zod started communicating (and likely impersonating someone else) with her through the orb.

Good theory.


Alternatively, when Brainiac took over the Fortress, maybe that's when the orb was reprogrammed. Since the orb seemed to be connected with the Fortress.

That's another good possibility.


This better be all clearly explained eventually.

I hope so. I'm just afraid we'll have to wait for next season. :eek:

[AndiGirl]

I think it's possible she didn't. Just like I think it's possible that Clark didn't destroy the legion ring like he claimed.

Yea, I think there's a very good chance.
In both instances they fail to mention HOW they destroyed them. Kind of fishy....

[Var-Zol]

long live krypton!

[mr lane]

Yeah and maybe that's exactly who Zod or Brainiac wanted her to think it was. Then once Tess was soured on Lex, Zod started communicating (and likely impersonating someone else) with her through the orb.

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Yeah she must of. Alternatively, when Brainiac took over the Fortress, maybe that's when the orb was reprogrammed. Since the orb seemed to be connected with the Fortress.

This better be all clearly explained eventually.

no telling what chloeiac was capable of, she opened the portal to the phantom zone with the fortress crystal in bloodline so maybe she did reprogram the orb or the fortress

[Var-Zol]

http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/6235/snapshot20071103063934eo9.jpg

[CK1980]

I might have missed some one else suggesting this but my first thought on the orb voice wasn't Zod but the Eradicator. I guess I didn't think Zod would care about Clark fulfilling his destiny....unless by Clark being out of the picture Zod thinks he can finally take over Earth. Thoughts?

[Vergon6]

I might have missed some one else suggesting this but my first thought on the orb voice wasn't Zod but the Eradicator. I guess I didn't think Zod would care about Clark fulfilling his destiny....unless by Clark being out of the picture Zod thinks he can finally take over Earth. Thoughts?
Doomsday was genetically engineered to destroy Clark. So that's why he would want Clark to fight Doomsday, so he dies. xrayvision thought it might be the Eradicator as well.

[mr lane]

I might have missed some one else suggesting this but my first thought on the orb voice wasn't Zod but the Eradicator. I guess I didn't think Zod would care about Clark fulfilling his destiny....unless by Clark being out of the picture Zod thinks he can finally take over Earth. Thoughts?

i think that Zod doesn't care but hes brain washing tess so she can do his bidding

by having tess destroy the phantom zone crystal clark has nowhere to send Doomsday after he separates him from davis

when clark separates davis and doomsday davis will be the vessel for zod and doomsday will roam free to be able to rule the world with Zod since Clark can't send him to the phantom zone

i think zod has tess brain washed in thinking clark has to fight doomsday to fulfill his destiny

[Rhaspodel]

When i heard Kamdor and seeing that orb made by Jor-El, maybe Zor-El corrupted it and made alligeance with Zod. Why Zod symbol is there next week is beyond me?

I have to wait until next week to connect why that strange voice say to Tess, "You're now the savior of Kamdor."

You don't think Tess will get powers like Lex did in Vessel. Who knows but I do know is that Lois will fight Tess at the DP.

[kp1984]

I was thinking Darksied was going to walk into that room with Tess

[yomama]

I didn't quite catch what the voice said (other than Kandor). Did it say "you're now the savior of Kandor?" or "now, meet the savior of Kandor?" I suppose if Tess is the savior of Kandor that would give her final line to Clark about saving an entire civilization another meaning.

Help? Anyone?

[dru-zod2501]

Am I the only one who thinks Tess didnt really destroy the crystal...and she's just saying she did? :\
I didn't think there was any earthly way to do it. Human tech shouldn't have been able to chip it, let alone destroy it

[chlo-el]

She's being manipulated by Zod or someone else just as malicious.

[smeyer44]

i think that Zod doesn't care but hes brain washing tess so she can do his bidding

by having tess destroy the phantom zone crystal clark has nowhere to send Doomsday after he separates him from davis

when clark separates davis and doomsday davis will be the vessel for zod and doomsday will roam free to be able to rule the world with Zod since Clark can't send him to the phantom zone

i think zod has tess brain washed in thinking clark has to fight doomsday to fulfill his destiny

I agree with you as far as Zod's endgame, not sure how Tess figures in. I think she knows what she's getting into, maybe through some of lex's stuff

[Starscream]

How many artifacts from Krypton can they jam into Smallville.?

My brain hurts.....



Yes! I agree! I'm really sick of all these Krypton artifacts and body swaps! I'm sure we'll see a lot more of that next season too! :rolleyes:

[Var-Zol]

aw man, i love stuff from krypton on the show. its not bad, its what they should have shown more of rather than this romance crap on the show.

[The Striving Artist®]

Yes! I agree! I'm really sick of all these Krypton artifacts and body swaps! I'm sure we'll see a lot more of that next season too! :rolleyes:

Apparently Kryptonians are lousy people to entrust hiding sacred artifacts.

I would say that the voice from the orb was Jor-El if this was Season 4-7.It definably sounds like something Jor-El would do.Manipulate someone to get Clark closer to his destiny.By destroying the PZ crystal,Jor-El basically ruined any chance at redeeming Davis and Clark HAS to kill him.Of course since "Abyss" it appeared that Clark and Jor-El were on good terms with Jor-el willing to aid Clark when neccesary.

So unless Jor-El has realized that his son is "neglecting" his responsibility again and has to push him towards it then it is indeed Zod.

[KryptoKnight]

Now show us terrence stamp as jor-el and its perfect!

That would be great! But I would like to see a huge family fight in the house of EL between Jor-EL and Zor-EL.

[latingirl]

Yet again, they are following what Geoff is doing in the comics. I pretty much suspected that with Zod coming, the New Krypton arc would be close by.

I need that people tell me about the orb, since I can't see the episode until tomorrow, but I'm 80% sure that the orb IS the Bottle City of Kandor.

You are right Bruno.. looks like it is

[jpfort1957]

I just got home and watched this epp with the help of my DVR. With so much going on....I hope they still have time for a fight next week. And as for the thread question.......Tess is only for Tess!!!!!!

[chloesmygirl]

Why did that glow come all the way out and touch Tess? Did somebody possess her body?

[BWOracle]

How is getting Clark killed helping?

[Lilah]

I think this Kandor story line is the only thing that can save Smallville... besides finally making Clark Superman of course...

[Clana4Life]

Um, why would ZOD want his son/creation killed. I don't think he nor Faora would. Therefore I don't even think it's ZOD at all but Zor-El who pretty much hates Clark.

[chiv9]

I think i was the only one who caught this and didn't think anything by it until tonight

but when we first found out that Tess had the orb (i think Eternal?)
right when she open the briefcase i heard voice (like tonights)

you have to listen really closely because i caught it

& if they are going with the whole mythos and having Kandor in a "egg-like shape"
i believe that all the voices are survivors of Kandor & such

i looked up Kandor and read some stuff about it, might make since but yeah i just that tonight that those voices sounded familiar
i suggest going to that scene where we first found out that Tess had the orb and listen the vague voices.

[mr lane]

I think i was the only one who caught this and didn't think anything by it until tonight

but when we first found out that Tess had the orb (i think Eternal?)
right when she open the briefcase i heard voice (like tonights)

you have to listen really closely because i caught it

& if they are going with the whole mythos and having Kandor in a "egg-like shape"
i believe that all the voices are survivors of Kandor & such

i looked up Kandor and read some stuff about it, might make since but yeah i just that tonight that those voices sounded familiar
i suggest going to that scene where we first found out that Tess had the orb and listen the vague voices.

i think its plausible that the orb could have been used to trap the city of kandor or brainiac could have transformed them from the original globe he had them in into the orb

[d005h_W4t3R]

I doubt the voice from the orb belonged to Zod. I think it was Zor-El talking to Tess through the orb. If it is Zor-El, maybe we'll see Kara return. I think she left to seek out Kandor earlier this season. Hopefully Kara comes back, I'd really like to see Clark [Mod Edit] Kara.

[acciobrain101]

Well all that final scene did for me was get me confused but hopefully we will get more answers in next weeks season finale. Though knowing the writers we will have to wait for next season. :mad:

[latingirl]

personally That can be a BIG mistake from PS... the element to form the Orbit was left on the earth before Clark landed on Smalville, when Verite Society was recollecting Info about the travel that was coming to earth, Kandor must have been trapped in bottler or whatever other place just before Kripton's system was destroyed by the explosion... Does make sense for me, Line time between those events in order to justify Kandor is trapped on the Orbit... For me is a Zod's Trick .....

[Clana4Life]

personally That can be a BIG mistake from PS... the element to form the Orbit was left on the earth before Clark landed on Smalville, when Verite Society was recollecting Info about the travel that was coming to earth, Kandor must have been trapped in bottler or whatever other place just before Kripton's system was destroyed by the explosion... Does make sense for me, Line time between those events in order to justify Kandor is trapped on the Orbit... For me is a Zod's Trick .....


I think Kandor was brought with Brianiac at last from what the comics say. I'm not quite sure when Brainiac arrive, so it could have been around the time that the orbit reached earth. Zod is trapped in the PZ, not the orbit and he has never been connected with Kandor, but Zor-El has and it fits in with what Kara was going to search for - people from Kandor. I also don't think Zod would want to kill his own son/creation, i.e., Doomsday.

[SVsleuth]

Zod knows, like Faora did, that every time Doomsday dies, he regenerates & comes back stronger. Of COURSE they want him to die! They want him stronger so that he can kill Superman.

[SSJConan]

Almost everyone thinks the voice was Zod, based on some recycled clip in the finale's trailer. Anyone besides me suspect the Eradicator?

[Clana4Life]

Zod knows, like Faora did, that every time Doomsday dies, he regenerates & comes back stronger. Of COURSE they want him to die! They want him stronger so that he can kill Superman.


SVsleuth, I haven't seen you in quite some time. At this point Doomsday is strong enough to kill Clark. Who is this Superman of whom you speak. :) I personally think it's Zor-El - the whole Kandor connection.

[Lilah]

I'm going with the Eradicator theory on this. But it just didn't sound like Jor-El, or Zor-El, or Brainiac or even Zod.

[The Dark Knight74]

I think she thinks she is but I think she being manipulated by the orb.

[Clana4Life]

I'm going with the Eradicator theory on this. But it just didn't sound like Jor-El, or Zor-El, or Brainiac or even Zod.

Please explain the Eradicator theory.

[ChronX4]

Um, why would ZOD want his son/creation killed. I don't think he nor Faora would. Therefore I don't even think it's ZOD at all but Zor-El who pretty much hates Clark.

He doesn't want him to get killed, the orb seems to be getting rid of ways Clark can get rid of Doomsday, notice how Clark also mentioned his plan to seperate Doomsday and Davis to the Chloe impostor? Nothing was done about that as far as we know, so it's probable that he's also planning to posses Davis' human body.

[rehana/chole]

Dam i am i the only one hopn tess would realy die soon , she realy is a ***** just 2 fet ckasrk 2 b supes u gone kill alot of ppl an blame it on lex wen sh press the boton . I real hope doomsday ripe her 2 peices

[Timester]

Almost everyone thinks the voice was Zod, based on some recycled clip in the finale's trailer. Anyone besides me suspect the Eradicator?

The scene on the trailer is not recycled. Especially because who ever is standing on the Zod symbol has the orb.

[skugers]

I'm completely lost. I know I'm dumb sometimes but this time it's even worse. I didn't understand a damn thing of what that "voice" told Tess in the end. So I'm opened to all theories about what the hell happened in the end and who is who because I don't know anymore:eek:
Though I hope the season finale will enlighten me for once...:cool:

[costas22]

It was shocking to say the least. My gut feeling is that Zod is the voice and she is doing his bidding because she believes that she will be Kandor's savior.

[gameface25]

I am 100% on board the Eradicator train

I couldn't quite hear what was said by the orb, (could someone quote it?) but the very first thought for me was definitely "Wow, it really was the Eradicator the whole time!, and now it has Tess!"

----- Added 52 Seconds later -----

Also, we now know that Tess saying "An entire civilization depends on it" to Clark in that last scene, she wasn't referring necessarily to Humans... but to Kandor

[costas22]

Yes gameface you are right! She was referring to Kandor. But i think that it was Zod deceiving her into doing his bidding.Now Clark has to face his son.Here's the dialogue:

Orb: Is Kal-El ready to fulfull the prophecy?
Tess: I did as you asked. The crystal has been destroyed.
Orb: Then you shall be the savior of Kandor.

[gameface25]

Thanks for the quote.. its hard ot hear every word when my 1 year old is running around jibbering

I remember thinking, when Tess said the word "civilization", that it was an odd way to express saving the world. "mankind" or "The world" would have been the normal verbage there if referring to saving Earth.

Glad they mentioned Kandor so that it ended up making sense

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Something else... now all those naysayers who were so "displeased" at the supposed reton in Eternal... you see that what alot of us were saying at the time was true... that it wasn't necessarily a retcon, just Tess's interpretation of the cave paintings and such... so you guys got all upset for nothing :) Tess is being played by the Eradicator

[Blue Orange NY]

so if it's the Eradicator, maybe i read wrong he is bad right? and if Kandor is in stake then does that mean Kara is coming back....just a thought


I am 100% on board the Eradicator train

I couldn't quite hear what was said by the orb, (could someone quote it?) but the very first thought for me was definitely "Wow, it really was the Eradicator the whole time!, and now it has Tess!"

----- Added 52 Seconds later -----

Also, we now know that Tess saying "An entire civilization depends on it" to Clark in that last scene, she wasn't referring necessarily to Humans... but to Kandor

[WickedSusi]

Wow, how cool would it be if they can bring Kandor into next season of Smallville. It would be so nice to see Kara make an appearance to see her home.
Can't wait for next week...

[Blue Orange NY]

ok bottom line we will all have questions and no answers till the 14th....damn i love the guessing game lol

----- Added 4 Minutes later -----

sorry guys....imo

that voice....is a first timer for me.....I don't put it as Jor El, Zor El, Zod.....I kind of lean it to Brainiac just slightly....so if my bets were needed i would lean more towards Brainy

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hey guys i'm not to update with the story of Eradicator....i found this posted in some other place, can anyway share light if this is an avenue it can go

In the comics, The Eradicator was hell-bent on destroying ways that Clark could defeat Doomsday and in this episode Tess destroyed the phantom zone crystal, meaning DD can't enter it. Appears that the set up is that Clark and DD kill one another and the black kryptonite separates Kal-El from Clark and Davis from DD...while The Eradicator takes over Clark in S9 and becomes Clark himself. This is the new villain.

[ReevesSuperman]

I think its Zod. Everything from the storyline to the spoilers has me convinced that Zod is coming back, because Clark finally has a plan that wasn't created on the spur of the moment it will backfire on him. I suspect Clark will seprate the man and monster then discover that Zod is the man and Davis was just a shell. Then Zod and Doomsday will destroy everything in their path to start season 10 while Clark is dead. I really don't like the idea of Zod being the main villain unless he does take over Earth with Doomsday and Braniac. Then, we finally get Clark in the suit to hide his identity to a very public fight with all three which the league and injustice league join him. That is only way to do Zod for an entire season right on Smallville, unfortuantly I have never seen anything epic done on Smallville and we never will. I expect Ollie to save the day with the Kryptonite ring on Zod and Clark to finally kill or send Doomsday away.

[Clana4Life]

BlueOrange that's very interesting. Clark playing two parts for the whole season. How does the Eradicator tie in to Kandor, though? I do not think it's Zod at all. Zod is not in Kandor. Zod is in the PZ where he is trapped. If they do this it's a major retcon. Brainiac went through a whole lot of trouble to get him of the PZ. He was then placed back in it by Clark. Tess has had the crystal destroyed, thus destroying the possibility of Zod getting out. Also, Zod has no ties to Kandor that I'm aware of. Zor-El does. Zor-El is also the one who built the Survival Zone. As far as seeing Kara next season, I don't think we will. She is off looking for Kandorian survivors on Krypton. She's basically on a wild goose chase, which explain her absense. Kandor seems to be a little closer to home - a ala on the planet Earth.
BlueOrange, if Kal-El takes over Clark. Who do you think will take over Davis. My money was on Zor-El. Also, the spoilers talk about Clark waking up in another place. My guess is he doesn't die but someone gets transported to Kandor. Your thoughts?

[Timester]

BlueOrange that's very interesting. Clark playing two parts for the whole season. How does the Eradicator tie in to Kandor, though? I do not think it's Zod at all. Zod is not in Kandor. Zod is in the PZ where he is trapped. If they do this it's a major retcon. Brainiac went through a whole lot of trouble to get him of the PZ. He was then placed back in it by Clark. Tess has had the crystal destroyed, thus destroying the possibility of Zod getting out. Also, Zod has no ties to Kandor that I'm aware of. Zor-El does. Zor-El is also the one who built the Survival Zone. As far as seeing Kara next season, I don't think we will. She is off looking for Kandorian survivors on Krypton. She's basically on a wild goose chase, which explain her absense. Kandor seems to be a little closer to home - a ala on the planet Earth.

No retcon at all. This is what people are missing, Kandor is a Kryptonian city, full of Kryptonian tech. They can easily get Zod out of the PZ.

[KaraClarkfan]

perhaps..maybe tess is becoming zod's vessel or maybe jor-el's? i can't wait to see the outcome of it next week.

[Iluvgreen]

Was the orb Zod at all? I have no idea!

[mr lane]

No retcon at all. This is what people are missing, Kandor is a Kryptonian city, full of Kryptonian tech. They can easily get Zod out of the PZ.

that is right

in superman the new krypton, alura (kara's mom) free's Zod from the PZ using their technology that was saved when they were captured in brainiac's miniature city or whatever

[Mars Investigations]

Does anyone else think that the reintroduction of Kandor could be the writers building up to a Kara return next season, at least for a few episodes? After all, the prospects for V: The Visitors aren't looking great.

[mnafsu15]

so was the zod at the end talking to tess....what were the last few words he said....i didnt make them out right...it was kind of mumble mumble

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In the Comics

In the DC Comics universe, Kandor was once the capital of Krypton until it was shrunken and stolen by the supervillain brainiac (http://smallville.wikia.com/wiki/Brainiac), several years before the planet was destroyed. Superman discovered the city in Brainiac's possession when the android came to Earth decades later to harvest more cities (Action Comics #242, Jul 1958) and rescued it, keeping it in his Fortress of Solitude while looking for a way to restore it to full size. In return, the Kandorians provided the superhero with a place where he was an honored guest, various professionals to assist him when asked and even occasionally assisted him in the outside with the Superman Emergency Squad.

[Puce_Kryptonite]

Lol, maybe the orb's an Omegahedron, and Tess was talking to Zaltar. :-))

[SupermanRox]

From the Superman homepage:

Kandor:

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/who/who-intro.php?topic=kandor

[Joelito]

No, like Les she is looking for her own profits.

[Tone]

I hope for some odd Reason Darkseid was there and he is the one controlling Tess idk.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Wow, how cool would it be if they can bring Kandor into next season of Smallville. It would be so nice to see Kara make an appearance to see her home.
Can't wait for next week...

That would be pretty cool.

I have the feeling that Zod is just lying to Tess to get her to do what he wants, but bringing Kandor in next season would be interesting.

[SSJConan]

so was the zod at the end talking to tess....what were the last few words he said....i didnt make them out right...it was kind of mumble mumble

We don't know if it was Zod. It could be Zod, but then it could also be Zor-El, the Eradicator, Darkseid, maybe even Jor-El (though I really have my doubts there), or Brainiac. We'll probably find out next week, but for now, none of us know for sure.

[kp1984]

I didn't think there was any earthly way to do it. Human tech shouldn't have been able to chip it, let alone destroy it

No I thought that to. The crystal is suppose to be invunerabal. It's like the only thing besides krytonite that could actually kill Clark if he's stab by it. Maybe Tess was just all talk. Since Chole was really Ava dose this mean she know who Green arrow is to?

[SVfan87]

wow guys, thanks. i love how everyone throws together all their thoughts and speculations. now i'm excited to see where all this goes. when i watched the ending of this episode i didnt think on it at all. i saw it and that was that. mostly cuz i'm not a comic book reader so i didnt really catch any of the significance. but you guys have enlightened me (with the help of wikipedia). now i'm wondering where this is headed. i had forgotten about the fact that they credited zod as being davis's "father" and said that davis looked a lot like him. it would be so cool if sam witwer played zod in an upcoming episode.

[SuperVillain]

Yay, I did hear correctly! Yes, Kandor!! ^_^
That was Zod? 0_o

[Lilah]

Please explain the Eradicator theory.

I don't know much. Just that in the comics, the Eradicator is who brought Superman back from the dead. He was a villain first, even took over as Superman in the city, but then Superman made him in charge of the fortress or something... It's all confusing but the Eradicator does come from an orb, I think... so it seems like Smallville is setting the stage for this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eradicator_(comics)

[the fatty]

I thought the fortress was made by the Eradicator, and in season 3 it was the eradicator who was trying to turn clark into a true kryptonion and alianate everyone else just like in the comic book.

As the orb was found in the fortress, it could be the Eradicator as i seem to remember it can change its physical appearance.

As for the Zod symbol, doomsday is a son of Zod, so would use te same symbol, just like jar-el and kal-el use the same symbol.

[Var-Zol]

Guys, if you listen closely, you can hear its the voice of a man and a woman together.

[Lilah]

Wasn't the Orb found in the mansion?

[the fatty]

Wasn't the Orb found in the mansion?

I thought Tess found it when she was looking for lex? I could be wrong, i have exams and my memory is shot atm!

[Jaderoyale]

I thought Tess found it when she was looking for lex? I could be wrong, i have exams and my memory is shot atm!

I thought it was sent to her?

[Lilah]

Lex found the orb originally though... I could have sworn he found it over the fire place....

[mvolkening]

Why have i not seen anybody with kandor in the subject... to me that was the biggest curveball they could have thrown!

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

There have been quite a few, actually. :)

[mvolkening]

True... but i never expected that orb to come back yet alone tell tess she is to be the savior of kandor... savior of the earth perhaps but why kandor? Even after all the spoilers ive read on the season finale i still havent figured out how kandor gets thrown into the mix!

[chiv9]

Guys, if you listen closely, you can hear its the voice of a man and a woman together.



yuppp i sure did!!
there were kinda mixed together but I did hear at least 2 voices. :rolleyes:

[Mahir]

In Series 8, let becomes obsessed with finding out who the traveler is, he gets both Veritas keys, and eventually finds a small triangular section of the orb in a church Grandmaster clock.
He sets of to Scotland at one point to see the place were his father bought the mansion in smallville he lives in, near the end Lex realises the there i something in the FIREPLACE and smashed the middle and pulls out the orb.

Assuming Tess's excavation found the orb and Clarks crystal, eventually Clark rebuilds the fortress (which in the next episode he looses again) Clark has no idea Tess has the orb, let alone she may be working for Zod and Zod's wife.

Correct me if am wrong, but i remember these events as i have watched and remembered everything.

[Estro-gen X]

yuppp i sure did!!
there were kinda mixed together but I did hear at least 2 voices. :rolleyes:

could it be Ursa and Non guiding Tess to Zod's eventual ressurection?

[Exedore]

Guys, if you listen closely, you can hear its the voice of a man and a woman together.

Zor-El and Alura?

I still hope it's the Eradicator

[GrantCalibre]

I definitely didn't make out the word "Kandor" when I was watching the episode, and I even went back and listened twice to try to understand what was being heard. So now I check online today and I'm a little blindsided wondering why everyone was talking about "OMG Kandor!" I'll have to go back and listen, but part of my is skeptical... honestly when I was listening I heard something about savior of "the earth". In the garbled voices, a lot of things could sound like Kandor I think, but I'm not saying it couldn't have been Kandor. It just seems like a stretch to me, because I have no idea why they would bring Kandor into the series right now when it hasn't been mentioned since Kara went off in search of it.

Plus, that orb was designed to control (or as we saw, negate the powers of) Kal-El. I would hope that its current purpose at least is somehow related to the original conception (i.e. they aren't doing a lazy retcon where it's clear they just didn't want to take the time to introduce a new artifact).

[hero`s passion]

Kandor is their native city in Kryptone? am I right? I `m so confused...i mean maybe this is too much...I hope they won`t made a mess with this stories...Kandor, becoming Superman, Doomsday, Clois/Bliss, Chlavis, evil Ollie, even Legion and all in one epi? that`s too much I think...

[Kneel before Zod]

Perhaps the orb's intended effect was to control Clark. Jor-El said that he programmed the fortress to self-destruct and take away Clark's powers. Maybe this was a safeguard to prevent someone from manipulating Clark by using that orb.

It's still not entirely clear who created it, and where it came from. According to Edward Teague, Jor-El meant for it to be a means of protecting the earth from Clark, but maybe that's just what the orb's creator wanted the Veritas group to believe.

As for why the orb wants to make sure Clark and Doomsday face-off? I go with the simple answer. The orb wants Clark to be killed by Doomsday, regardless of whatever it wants Tess to believe.

As for the Kandor stuff, I'm clueless. I'm guessing it's just the same old "Krypton Reborn" idea that Zod and Brainiac have been going for since Season 5.

Just throwing that out there. I'm probably wrong, but we'll likely have to wait until season 9 for answers (Or not) . .

[the fatty]

I know its unrelated, but Didnt Kandor appear in the fantastic4 animated series? (ie DC in marvel universe)

^^^ think i answered this for myself, i was thinking of ant man!

[Var-Zol]

for everyone who hasnt seen Kandor on Smallville: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZVeMmf4OP8

[the fatty]

I enjoyed watching that ^^^ dosnt really tell you anything about kandor tho! stupidly big font you have used there!