TV Ratings in "Injustice"

[Chlollie]

TV Ratings in "Injustice"

[OkiyaShuichi]

First?

Tom's the director.

Around 3.5-3.7 :)

Did CW heavily promote ''Injustice''?

[marcella]

3.4 is my prediction

[alejandrita439]

3.5

[rajman]

3.6

[Night_Hawk90]

3.3

[Supsfan]

3.5-3.6

[davidbrenton]

My hope is 3.6

[Rizarro]

3.3-3.6

Probably 3.5

[smallvillerocks45]

Come on Ksiters. Unite! LoL :p

I would love it if the episode our star directed, shattered the records - or at the very least brought the ratings back to the 4 millions. I don't know if that's going to happen, but with the epic-ness that is about to come, I can't imagine wanting to skip out on these last two episodes of season 8.

As always, I'm going to hope and wish Smallville reaches that 5.0 million mark... but in the real world, I'll be happy with 4.2million. *crossing fingers*

[cody]

I'm going with 3.8 or 4.0:D

[scifigirl]

3.3-3.6

Probably 3.5

I think that you are probably right. There will be a slight increase.

[bizzaroboy9]

Most likely 3.5 M
We got Tom directing, Plastique returning, Intro. of Livewire and Parasite, IJL, Tess returning, various interviews about by actor/actress and PS3, and good promotion, I saw the trailer for it on VH1. This should help Smallville do well at least.

[smallvillerocks45]

Most likely 3.5 M
We got Tom directing, Plastique returning, Intro. of Livewire and Parasite, IJL, Tess returning, various interviews about by actor/actress and PS3, and good promotion, I saw the trailer for it on VH1. This should help Smallville do well at least.

Oh, I hope so. Plus, there was a trailer for "Injustice" tonight after 90210!
I was pleasantly surprised. *still crossing fingers*

[Jaderoyale]

I HOPE it will do well.
Not just for the show, but for Tom as well ;)
His directed episodes have done really well in the past -praises him-, he never seems to let us down.
I'm gonna keep my fingers crossed till i get back on Sunday :lol:

[OkiyaShuichi]

Come on! Change my mind. Who wanna bets around 2.8-3.1?

[Twehttam]

I highly doubt a sub-3 rating. My guess is 3.51.

[costas22]

Will there a game on tonight? If there is, i predict 3.2-3.5. If there is no game on, i predict 3.4-3.8.

[AgentChaos]

Will there a game on tonight? If there is, i predict 3.2-3.5. If there is no game on, i predict 3.4-3.8.

Two games.

[costas22]

Two games? 3.2-3.5 it is.

[tyson08]

There's only one NBA game, unfortunately it's at 8 as well.

[Clana Kent]

Ratings IN Injustice? What are they going to rate? :lol:

I think the ratings for Smallville's episode of tonight will be around 4 million.
My hope is around 4.5, but I don't see that happening considering the ratings we got lately.

[beatles4]

Hoping for 4 million and may the force be with us! :)
What I'd like to know is how many minutes will Clark actually be in this episode, since Tom is directing it.

[skylar]

I want this episode to get a better rating than last week just because Tom's
directing this one. I would like a 4.0 but 3.98 would still be good.

[SparkleforSmallville]

ATTENTION: Fellow Rating's Watchers

Nielsen has had a SNAFU causing a delay in Ratings stats.
We may not get Thursdays Overnights, till Friday evening.
Be patient, I'll keep checking on Friday.

My "Injustice" guess is 3.85mil. Although I hope we reach 4mil. again.:)

[Clois86]

Looking for 3.4 then "DD" to pull over 4mil

[marcella]

Thanks for the info, Sparkle:)

[Kid Collins]

New Bones ep and Semi Finals for NBA Playoffs also on tonight.

I'll guess around 3.3 or 3.4.

I'll be switching channels tonight between the Hawks/Cavaliers and SV.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Right now we are 230, K-Site posters on-line, away from the K-Site record of 1,869 on 2-5-09. I wonder if we'll break it tonight. For sure the Finale will!


Just waiting, to watch Injustice..........

[ClarkyBoy14]

I hope we get 3.5 million viewers...

[Dee]

I'm gonna say around 3.3 million live viewers.

[dreammaster]

3.7

[acciobrain101]

I'm hoping they go back up to 4 million.

[smallvillerocks45]

I'm hoping they go back up to 4 million.

Me too. I want this show to get American Idol numbers even, but I'll be happy with a 4.0. I have a feeling it will get a 3.9, but that makes me sad. I've decided that as long as the numbers don't fall below last week's ratings, I'll be a satisfied Smallville fan.

[OkiyaShuichi]

I'm hoping they go back up to 4 million.

Agreed!! :D :D :D

[costas22]

If there was a game, i will still say 3.1-3.5.

[Blue Orange NY]

4.2

[costas22]

I have heard that there has been a problem with Nielsen and the announcement of the ratings this week. Does that mean that we might lot learn how Injustice did today?

[LEXander the Great]

Elsewhere, Fox remained on the Thursday map care of underrated Bones (#2: 5.6/10 and demographically comfortable Hell’s Kitchen (#3: 4.1/ 6). But, like CBS and NBC last night, the CW dipped by double-digit percentages from one year earlier with its combination of veteran Smallville (#5: 2.2/ 4) and compatible Supernatural (#5: 2.0/ 3). Had the CW been in better shape, Smallville may not have been returning next season.


Source: Nielsen Media Research data
link:http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_display/community/programming-insider/newsletters/e3i4e17d68abb97873393e25ad84feff6c9

"Had the CW been in better shape, Smallville may not have been returning next season"
Ladies and gentleman: A very well-informed journalist...:rolleyes:
This person knows anything about the television business, or he just writes stuff?

[costas22]

Yes. Because 90210 set new ratings records didn't it? From what i am hearing, it sounds the same as last week.

[holehead13]

so we got 4mil viewers then?

[Supsfan]

so we got 4mil viewers then?

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/08/thursday-ratings-abc-wins-southland-parks-rec-still-falling/18328

3.399M

[myankskent]

Yeah, it pretty much stayed the same as last week. I think that 3.7 or 3.8 could be a possibility for the finale, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was less than that.

[costas22]

It actually went up a bit. 3.4 is better than last week. I don't see it changing too much in the finals. It might go to 3.41 or 3.39 but that's how much i see it changing. Does anyone know if there will be a game next Thursday? If Doomsday is going to get anything close to 4 mil, it must not have a game against it.

[suzieQ]

Smallville on the CW (Viewers: 3.40 million; A18-49: 1.5/ 5)

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/980107902

[Night_Hawk90]

It actually went up a bit. 3.4 is better than last week. I don't see it changing too much in the finals. It might go to 3.41 or 3.39 but that's how much i see it changing. Does anyone know if there will be a game next Thursday? If Doomsday is going to get anything close to 4 mil, it must not have a game against it.

its hard to tell if there will be a game next week but smallville will be going up against a lot of season finales so i dont expect a huge increase but its possible it will hit 4 million

[costas22]

Thanx Justin Credible. I guess the presence of a game depends on when a series in the playoffs is decided. Hopefully we won't have a game against Smallville next week. It's bad enough that Bones will also have it's finale next week.

[Clois86]

Hopefully we get some SV Fans that haven't been watching steadily this season back for the finale and we could reach 4 mil

[marcella]

Good news:D

[Luiz Fernando]

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[LegendaryU2K]

Wow, almost 4 million, better then nothing i guess. Next week should hit my guess 4.56 million

[ClarkyBoy14]

At least it went up. I'm still hoping that "Doomsday" can hit four million viewers, though.

----- Added 2 Minutes later -----


"Had the CW been in better shape, Smallville may not have been returning next season"
Ladies and gentleman: A very well-informed journalist...:rolleyes:
This person knows anything about the television business, or he just writes stuff?
Didn't he say the same thing last season? :rolleyes:

[LegendaryU2K]

If we almost had 4 million, how come on the main site, the person has 3.40?

[Supsfan]

If we almost had 4 million, how come on the main site, the person has 3.40?

You probably missed the second "3" in 3.399M

[Mackdaddy]

If we almost had 4 million, how come on the main site, the person has 3.40?

Who said it was almost 4 million? It's pretty clear sayin 3.399. It's actually closer to 3 million than it is to 4 million.

[costas22]

You probably missed the second "3" in 3.399M

Yeah, that second "3" is a real buzz killer!

[LegendaryU2K]

Oh, well better then nothing. I will do my job of promoting, but i think alot of fans just lost the will to watch it anymore. I think that lana bs ruin everything. For 8 seasons clark has been stuck on lana, my goodness.

But then again, i always watch the show, despite what was going on. So you know. I happen to mis last night episode, so i kept all 4 of my tv's on lol

[Kevin24]

Are the finals in yet?

[Supsfan]

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/980107902/p/6

Final Numbers

Smallville
- 3.392 million viewers
- 2.1/4 HH
- 1.5/5 A18-49
- 1.5/6 A18-34

[costas22]

The finals went down again? Argh! I really pray that we avoid any basketball games next week. Even with the Bones finale against Doomsday, Smallville should get 3.8-4.0. If there is basketaball again, i don't see Doomsday doing over 3.5.

Thanks Supsfan.

[Kevin24]

That is a decent rating but I was hoping for a number closer to 4 million. I really hope the finale brings us back over 4 million. I know it's a lot to ask but I hope it happens.

[Supsfan]

The finals went down again?

Well the difference from 3.399 to 3.392 is 7000 people, athough it would have been nice to see that number creep up over 3.4M

[acciobrain101]

Damn I was hoping for 4 million...oh well hopefully next week it goes up I mean its the finale!

[marcella]

I'm sure the ratings will increase next week, but I don't know how much

[LegendaryU2K]

Is the CW in every state?
Is that the problem with the network?
Or its just that we lost alot of fans because of weird storylines?

[SnowBird]

Is the CW in every state?
Is that the problem with the network?
Or its just that we lost alot of fans because of weird storylines?

In my area we can't get the CW unless we have satelite or cable. Antennas won't bring the station in.

[SparkleforSmallville]

Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.16mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil. & (No Live+7 available, ever!)

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil. & Live+7= 4.89 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil. & Live+7= 4.54 mil.

#13 Power ~ *4.21 mil. & Live+7= 4.94 mil.

#14 Requiem ~ *3.93 mil. & Live+7= 4.60 mil.

#15 Infamous ~ *3.57 mil. & Live+7= 4.22 mil.

#16 Turbulence ~ *3.49 mil. & Live+7= 4.09 mil.

#17 Hex ~ *3.80 mil. & Live+7= 4.49 mil.

#18 Eternal ~ *3.85 mil. & Live+7= 4.55 mil.

#19 Stiletto ~ *3.10 mil.

#20 Beast ~ *3.23 mil.

#21 Injustice ~ *3.39 mil.


Only one more Episode in S8! It flew by!
:

[smallvillerocks45]

Oh, it sure did fly by. I can't believe it's almost over. It makes me so sad...

I am, however, happy that the ratings went up. Sure, it's not 4 million, but I think the Live+7 will be pretty close to it, and besides, the numbers are rising. I'm okay with that.

[darkone]

Doomsday will probably the lowest rated Season finale ever. Not surprising though.

[smallvillerocks45]

^^^ You're probably right... but IMO, it's only because that's the nature of TV these days and not lack of quality. I think I'm more in love with this show than I've ever been. I hope it does really well next week.

[PJBoy]

I highly doubt that the ratings will go up to 4 million. IMO, it will probably get close to it.

[bizzaroboy9]

Bummer! I hope that Bones won't be on Thursday night anymore! It's killing Smallville!

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----

Maybe FOX put Bones there to kill Smallville on purpose as a revenge for not getting Smallville on their network before losing it to the WB

[Aries83]

Even if the overnights are down, the Live+7's have been fairly consistent, which is a plus for the show since the network and advertisers take them into consideration.

[costas22]

I don't think FOX was looking for revenge. Bones had to go at a day when it would get better ratings.That happened to be Thursday.At the moment the playoffs are killing Smallville as much as Bones.Hopefully,next Thursday there won't be a game on.

[Night_Hawk90]

I don't think FOX was looking for revenge. Bones had to go at a day when it would get better ratings.That happened to be Thursday.At the moment the playoffs are killing Smallville as much as Bones.Hopefully,next Thursday there won't be a game on.

i really dont think the ratings dip can be blamed on the playoffs, the show has been on for 8 yrs ratings usually dip and some fans probably have gotten sick with some of the storylines and treatment of characters

[costas22]

I agree about the storylines and the treatment of the characters but ratings always dip a lot more during spring. The trend starts with March Madness and it continues with the playoffs. Plus the weather gets better and many people start going out. If i am right, i hope that Smallville isn't against a game on Thursday. Doomsday doesn't deserve to score a lower rating than Arctic IMO.

[OkiyaShuichi]

Smallville should be picked up by others network...

[Lilah]

So Bloodline had the highest ratings and Stiletto the lowest? I totally blame Eternal for Stiletto's low ratings.... I almost didn't tune in either....

----- Added 40 Seconds later -----


Elsewhere, Fox remained on the Thursday map care of underrated Bones (#2: 5.6/10 and demographically comfortable Hell’s Kitchen (#3: 4.1/ 6). But, like CBS and NBC last night, the CW dipped by double-digit percentages from one year earlier with its combination of veteran Smallville (#5: 2.2/ 4) and compatible Supernatural (#5: 2.0/ 3). Had the CW been in better shape, Smallville may not have been returning next season.


Source: Nielsen Media Research data
link:http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_display/community/programming-insider/newsletters/e3i4e17d68abb97873393e25ad84feff6c9

"Had the CW been in better shape, Smallville may not have been returning next season"
Ladies and gentleman: A very well-informed journalist...:rolleyes:
This person knows anything about the television business, or he just writes stuff?

What does that mean? Is that a compliment to the show?

[smallvillerocks45]

I think it means that everything else on the CW is failing and that despite the low ratings when cross comparing networks, Smallville is what is keeping the CW afloat.

...It's too bad the CW doesn't seem to realize this. At this point, I don't even know what the CW could possibly do about it though, because none of their shows can even compete with Smallville even when they pump the cash to promote them. Smallville is just lucky to have a very loyal fan base - I hope the ratings next week (and beyond) start to reflect that a bit more.

[Ella]

So Bloodline had the highest ratings and Stiletto the lowest? I totally blame Eternal for Stiletto's low ratings.... I almost didn't tune in either....

----- Added 40 Seconds later -----



What does that mean? Is that a compliment to the show?
I took it offensively. I took it to mean that had the network been in better shape, aka, the rest of the ratings for others shows been higher, then the network would have had no qualms about letting a show like SV go. Instead, the network kept SV not because it wanted to but had to because it is in bad shape and SV's ratings (as bad as they are in the general scheme of things) are good for the CW.

[smallvillerocks45]

I took it offensively. I took it to mean that had the network been in better shape, aka, the rest of the ratings for others shows been higher, then the network would have had no qualms about letting a show like SV go. Instead, the network kept SV not because it wanted to but had to because it is in bad shape and SV's ratings (as bad as they are in the general scheme of things) are good for the CW.

Yeah, I think you're right. That person was basically saying Smallville isn't as good as the other shows on SV, but remains on the network because it has the best ratings on the network. The more I think about it, the more offensive it is for me as well. Geeze. Smallville is the best show on that network, I wish the industry could see it too- Supernatural is good, but Smallville is my brand of choice.

[Lilah]

I took it offensively. I took it to mean that had the network been in better shape, aka, the rest of the ratings for others shows been higher, then the network would have had no qualms about letting a show like SV go. Instead, the network kept SV not because it wanted to but had to because it is in bad shape and SV's ratings (as bad as they are in the general scheme of things) are good for the CW.

Yup. That's how I took it too. I thought I was the only one. Its funny, but the only thing keeping SV afloat is its loyal fan base, we understand the potential for this show. At least I do. I just wish these writers would stop massacring it.

[AgentChaos]

^^^ You're probably right... but IMO, it's only because that's the nature of TV these days and not lack of quality. I think I'm more in love with this show than I've ever been. I hope it does really well next week.

With the various means that viewers have to watch shows- DVR's, iTunes, DVD sets, networks putting up entire episodes on their websites- it's not surprising that ratings are decreasing for most shows. I think it's just going to get worse in the next few years.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Yeah, I think you're right. That person was basically saying Smallville isn't as good as the other shows on SV, but remains on the network because it has the best ratings on the network. The more I think about it, the more offensive it is for me as well. Geeze. Smallville is the best show on that network, I wish the industry could see it too- Supernatural is good, but Smallville is my brand of choice.

His comment doesn't even make sense to me. :\

If SV weren't the CW's #1 most wathced scripted show, then they wouldn't have brought it back? Okay... To me, it's like saying FOX would cancel American Idol if it had bad ratings.

[Kid Collins]

His comment doesn't even make sense to me. :\

If SV weren't the CW's #1 most wathced scripted show, then they wouldn't have brought it back? Okay... To me, it's like saying FOX would cancel American Idol if it had bad ratings.

I don't think this critic guy is just talking about the ratings. I think what he means is the demo ratings. CW is all about the 18-34 demo group. And if we're ranking SV in terms of those ratings this show isn't even in the Top 3.

For some reason this season, SV's demo ratings have gone down since the previous seasons. SV usually ranked very high in the target demos.

Now these rankings aren't recent but they are from this season. According to this chart, SV only ranked #5.

Last weeks 18-34 demos chart:

2.5/8 18-34 America’s Next Top Model 4.13 million; 2.1/8 18-49
2.4/7 18-34 Gossip Girl 3.33 million; 1.6/4 18-49
2.2/6 18-34 One Tree Hill 3.13 million; 1.5/3 18-49
2.0/6 18-34 90210 2.94 million; 1.5/4 18-49
1.7/5 18-34 Smallville 4.18 million; 18-49 1.7/ 5
1.2/3 18-34 Privileged 1.86 million; 18-49 0.8/ 2
1.1/3 18-34 Supernatural 3.17 million;18-49 1.3/ 3


That's why Smallville pulls in $54,323 dollars for every 30 sec. ad this year. In comparison, ANTM nearly doubles that with $103,714. Because ANTM's 18-34 demo ratings tops all CW shows.

And it's also the reason why CW had Press Release for SV when the demo ratings were good for Odyssey, Power and Eternal (those are the ones I can remember). It's not just about the ratings.

[nyctnafan100]

is a 3.0 to 3.4 cause for concern for ratings for the show. i want the show to stay
on the air as much as possible. it has quickly become my favorite show.

[xrayvision]

is a 3.0 to 3.4 cause for concern for ratings for the show. i want the show to stay
on the air as much as possible. it has quickly become my favorite show.

There's a thread for this:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=126584

[batfinx]

I don't think this critic guy is just talking about the ratings. I think what he means is the demo ratings. CW is all about the 18-34 demo group. And if we're ranking SV in terms of those ratings this show isn't even in the Top 3.

According to Forbes, Advertising Age, TNS research, etc. there are many factors including demographics. One is performance history and that's where Smallville falls through a black hole. Aside form season 2, Smallville's ratings, share and demo numbers have gone down every single year. America's Next Top Model, however, has been a steady performer. Another factor is cast recognition. Do you hear crickets too? :D American's Next Top Model, on the other hand, has Tyra Banks. She's well known and very desirable to advertisers.


And it's also the reason why CW had Press Release for SV when the demo ratings were good for Odyssey, Power and Eternal (those are the ones I can remember). It's not just about the ratings.

I remember this one for Committed because it was also a print ad:

http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n155/batfinx222/smallville/committed_print_ad.jpg

An article from last month quoted TNS as saying ABC lost 0.8% ad revenues in 2008 compared to 2007 and that CW lost 13.1% in ad revenues in 2008 compared with 2007 and I'm sure 2009 will be lower as well. There's no magic bullet here. There's no savior or villain in these statistics.

The one perk Smallville had earlier this year was some positive media buzz about its new direction, but that dried up after the show reverted to a really old direction :lol: Now the ratings are low and stagnant. I think they'll be better for Doomsday, but unfortunately I think Bones' season finale is up against it and so all bets are off.

[smallvillerocks45]

Yes. Bones is up against Smallville, so I don't even know what to say about the ratings. I guess the CW could change Smallvilles (and probably Supernatural's) time slot, but I just don't know how much that would help.

Monday has Dancing with the Stars, Tuesday-Wednesday has American Idol, and now Thursdays has Bones. I suppose the show could go to a new network, but then it would likely have no chance of achieving a full 22-episode season 9 because so many people would have to play catch up. The show is probably safer on the CW. Despite the poor ratings, because it at least performs well for the network it would be silly to force the show away (when there are still stories left to be told).

I'm going to just enjoy the ride. :\

[Kid Collins]

According to Forbes, Advertising Age, TNS research, etc. there are many factors including demographics. One is performance history and that's where Smallville falls through a black hole. Aside form season 2, Smallville's ratings, share and demo numbers have gone down every single year. America's Next Top Model, however, has been a steady performer. Another factor is cast recognition. Do you hear crickets too? :D American's Next Top Model, on the other hand, has Tyra Banks. She's well known and very desirable to advertisers.

I'm not arguing with you. My point is that critic had a valid point. Even though SV has the highest ratings for a scripted show, clearly it doesn't make the most money for CW. You just have to look at the production value of this show to know that it's budget has been severely cut.



The one perk Smallville had earlier this year was some positive media buzz about its new direction, but that dried up after the show reverted to a really old direction :lol: Now the ratings are low and stagnant. I think they'll be better for Doomsday, but unfortunately I think Bones' season finale is up against it and so all bets are off.

Another dig at Lana's arc.:lol: Say what you will about Lana, Power, did bring in the highest rating for since the last break!

AND the ratings were already increasing after she left. It couldn't possibly be the epically dumb Stiletto that started off this arc that turned off the viewing audience.;)

That said, I'd like you to prove that it was Lana's arc that lowered the ratings. I read people here that said they wouldn't watch the show until Lois came back. Obviously, the general viewing audience thought otherwise. If Lana is so hated, her 5 ep arc should be the lowest rated eps in the history of this show. People should've seen her face in the trailers and turned off their tv! Not even close. :lol:

Think about it this way, wiith all the promoting that ED did before Season 8 started, you would think ALL of the Lois and Clark comic book fans would line up to watch this show and S8 would have a HUGE increase in ratings since CW was going for a new viewing audience for their now focused Lois and Clark pairing. Well, the new audience they were expecting weren't huge and didn't even match what S7's premier was. Yeah, it got buzz, but not the huge ratings for all the promoting that was done for the NEW Metropolis themed SV. Buzz might also have to do with ED doing a zillion interviews during the first 5 eps. She was everywhere.

[Supsfan]

Another dig at Lana's arc.:lol: Say what you will about Lana, Power, did bring in the highest rating for since the last break!

If I am correct Legion did better then Power ratings wise which would have been the first episode after the break.


Think about it this way, wiith all the promoting that ED did before Season 8 started, you would think ALL of the Lois and Clark comic book fans would line up to watch this show and S8 would have a HUGE increase in ratings since CW was going for a new viewing audience for their now focused Lois and Clark pairing. Well, the new audience they were expecting weren't huge and didn't even match what S7's premier was. Yeah, it got buzz, but not the huge ratings for all the promoting that was done for the NEW Metropolis themed SV. Buzz might also have to do with ED doing a zillion interviews during the first 5 eps. She was everywhere.

One thing I will say about the first half is from Toxic -> Bloodline(the highest rated eppy of the season) we saw a steady increase in ratings which to me is a solid ratings trend.

The first half of the season seemed to have good continuity for the most part while the second half seemed to be all over the place

[batfinx]

I'm not arguing with you. My point is that critic had a valid point. Even though SV has the highest ratings for a scripted show, clearly it doesn't make the most money for CW. You just have to look at the production value of this show to know that it's budget has been severely cut.

He compares the ratings from this year to the ratings last year at this same time. Last year he said season 7 ratings sucked compared to season 6 and those ratings sucked compared to 5 and so on. As I said, the ratings for Smallville, aside from season 2, have gone down every single year. What he and others also don't take into account is that Smallville has changed nights and networks, those changes also affected the ratings negatively.


Say what you will about Lana, Power, did bring in the highest rating for since the last break!

Actually, no it didn't, but you're making a common mistake. Power aired at the start of sweeps, which means more people were watching television that night than non-sweeps periods. How does that change things? Here's what happens. In the fast national ratings the rating/share for Power was 2.6/4. What else got a 2.6/4 this season? Plastique (4.18 million), Prey (4.16 million), Instinct (4.12 million), Identity (4.32) and Legion (4.30). Why the differences in millions of viewers with the same rating/share? That's where sweeps, the competition and even lucky breaks come into the mix.

Legion, for example, got a lucky break. The night it aired all the big networks carried departing President Bush's little speech, but the CW did not. Fox, which had planned to launch 2 hours of Bones that night backed off due to the speech and ran Kitchen Nightmares instead. CBS ran a CSI rerun and NBC ran My Name is Earl and Scrubs. Bulletproof, unfortunately, didn't get the same break, because Bones did air that night and Bulletproof became the first episode this season to draw less than 4 million viewers and Requiem was the second. I don't count Abyss because it did not air in NYC, the biggest TV market in the country. Power got a break because it was against American Idol instead of Bones. American Idol, though a high rated show, doesn't have much crossover appeal with Smallville fans. Hex got a similar break being up against American Idol instead of Bones, though it got a bad break being up against NCAA basketball on CBS and it did not air during sweeps and Power did.

You can't look at how many millions of viewers watched a show and ignore the rating/share, competition, hiatuses and when a break goes for a show or against it. Infamous was up against the premiere of Survivor, which beat Bones that night. Stiletto had the grave misfortune of not only coming back after a hiatus, but after the rerun of Requiem, which only drew 1.8 million viewers. That rerun did worse than the Supernatural rerun the same night. Since the trailer only aired to less than 2 million that night, I'm surprised Stiletto actually got over 3 million, though back to rating/share, it got the same rating/share as Beast. Beast got more viewers. Why? Sweeps started that night :D Injustice went up a share to 4 and .1 on the rating side. If Doomsday can hold onto the 4 share and get 2.4 or higher on the rating side, it could get close to or over 4 million viewers and that would be a great note for season 8 to end on.

[Kid Collins]

Actually, no it didn't, but you're making a common mistake. Power aired at the start of sweeps, which means more people were watching television that night than non-sweeps periods. How does that change things? Here's what happens. In the fast national ratings the rating/share for Power was 2.6/4. What else got a 2.6/4 this season? Plastique (4.18 million), Prey (4.16 million), Instinct (4.12 million), Identity (4.32) and Legion (4.30). Why the differences in millions of viewers with the same rating/share? That's where sweeps, the competition and even lucky breaks come into the mix.

I get what your coming from. I don't know where you got your stats but here is where I got mine. I see where the household percentage plays a huge part in analyzing the ratings. The stats I found for the 18/49 group is pretty consistent to what your saying.

S8's Ratings History

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/339108451/m/923104161/p/3

S7's Ratings History

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/339108451/m/59610777/p/3

What I don't get is you KNOW that competition, breaks, power outages play a part in how a show performs in the ratings, what I don't get is make jabs at Lana's arc? Implying that it's the storyline and not the competition, etc that brought on the lower ratings and not her arc.

Because from what I've seen of the ratings trend compared to S7 and S8, the household ratings percentage for both seasons are about the same. The last arc is ALWAYS the lowest rated eps. Check the stats yourself.

It has NOTHING to do with Lana's arc.


Power got a break because it was against American Idol instead of Bones. American Idol, though a high rated show, doesn't have much crossover appeal with Smallville fans.

Show me an article that says AI is not competition for Smallville. This show gets an average of 25 million viewers every night it's on. When Entertainment Weekly asked the Lost producers their reaction to going against AI on Wednesday nights, their answer was nervous. Shows go on repeats rather than compete with AI. It basically blows away every competition the night it's on. Always.


Stiletto had the grave misfortune of not only coming back after a hiatus, but after the rerun of Requiem, which only drew 1.8 million viewers. That rerun did worse than the Supernatural rerun the same night.\

Requiem's repeats had nothing to do with Stilletto's poor ratings performance. Both Requiem and Power repeats had a share of 0.7/2 and so did the repeats of Bloodline 0.7/2 on 2/26/09.

And Requiem's repeat isn't the lowest rated either. There's an ep repeat that aired on 12/18/08 that got 0.5/2.

And if Requiem had such an effect on ratings on a future ep, how come Infamous pulled in 1.6/4 ratio airing right after Requiem? That's the same ratio that Requiem received 1.6/4. According to these stats, SV didn't lose any ratings due to Requiem.



Since the trailer only aired to less than 2 million that night, I'm surprised Stiletto actually got over 3 million, though back to rating/share, it got the same rating/share as Beast. Beast got more viewers. Why? Sweeps started that night :D Injustice went up a share to 4 and .1 on the rating side. If Doomsday can hold onto the 4 share and get 2.4 or higher on the rating side, it could get close to or over 4 million viewers and that would be a great note for season 8 to end on.

Stilletto received 1.3/4, Beast 1.4/4 and Injustice 1.5/5. So the ratings are increasing even though it's by small amounts. But those stats are in line with S7's ratings for the last arc.

So bottom line, Lana's arc did NOT hurt ratings at all for this show. People tuned in the way they've always have when she was on and after she left.

[Supsfan]

So bottom line, Lana's arc did NOT hurt ratings at all for this show. People tuned in the way they've always have when she was on and after she left.

I will still stand by the fact that the show should have did the Lana arc the first 5 episodes because those 2 episodes really ruined any continuity for the show which could have turned off a few viewers.

I have my guesses why they did the season the way they did, but it was really poor story planning, which to me was a huge issue the second half of the season

[Kid Collins]

I will still stand by the fact that the show should have did the Lana arc the first 5 episodes because those 2 episodes really ruined any continuity for the show which could have turned off a few viewers.

I have my guesses why they did the season the way they did, but it was really poor story planning, which to me was a huge issue the second half of the season

Stats speak for itself.

That said, other reasons for lower ratings, how about recycled storylines, retcons (Eternal), messy writing (turns Shelby into girl), cheesy, predictable storylines...the last arc of this show if full of them.

[Supsfan]

Stats speak for itself.

One thing I notice if from Toxic -> Bloodline we got a nice linear upward increase in ratings. The only other linear trend I ever seen on this show was after Promise(which went downward). For people that were getting into that storyline the Lana arc was a buzzkill, It also didn't help that after the Lana arc it seems like the show was all over the place(I would put this on equal footing with the Lana arc).

If they did the Lana arc first I think it would have been better for storytelling purposes(ie Clark moves on from Lana and then gets on with his life as opposed to Clark moves on with his life, Lana comes back and he regresses, and then stalling of Clark where he is treated like a secondary character from that point on).

My guess is the producers used the first 10 episodes though to try get Season 9 and wanted to show the CW that Lois could bring in ratings, they didn't use Lana in those episodes because then the CW would point to Lana being a factor in the early season ratings, so they saved her episodes for later.

[Reeve_290]

People need to get over Lois and ED. Its bordering on some kind of weird fetish. People read the character or actress' name and they gush like a tap.

The phrase "Lois brings in ratings" is nonsensical. If Lois is the be-all-and-end-all factor regarding ratings, then why did Hex get 3.8 and Stiletto only get 3.1 when Power and Requiem got 4.21 then 3.93?? And do NOT tell me, oh, Lana's stupid arc killed viewers. Bullsh1t. If Lois is sooo great then people should have come back when Lana left the show. If Lois was such a big deal, then people shouldn't have bailed on her just because Lana had one (arguably two, I didn't mind Requiem as much as Power) bad episodes.

The truth its Smallville's stories and the characters play only a very small part in the ratings the show gets. Competition from other shows and external factors are the deciders - NOT whether Lois Lane is in the episode or not. Plus, just about every show drops ratings during the second half of any season because as humans the commitment of the viewers fails as time goes on.

Now important note: I'm NOT bashing Lois or ED. I like them both - actress and character - this season more than ever! But I'm getting terribly sick of how every single thread on this site (regardless of the initial topic) inevitably becomes a "lets lick the ground that ED/Lois walks on and beat the sh1t out of KK/Lana at every opportunity" conversation. Lois is just a character on the show, like Clark, Lex, Lana, Chloe and Tess. Hell, if anything, Davis has been more important than her this year because he's actually part of the overarching story that is Clark VS Doomsday - which Lois has almost nothing to do with. Putting her in every episode would have hindered that story just as much as Lana's random, stupid arc in the middle of the season.

So. Lois is good. But she's not everything. Please give it a rest people.

[Supsfan]

People need to get over Lois and ED. Its bordering on some kind of weird fetish. People read the character or actress' name and they gush like a tap.

The phrase "Lois brings in ratings" is nonsensical. If Lois is the be-all-and-end-all factor regarding ratings, then why did Hex get 3.8 and Stiletto only get 3.1 when Power and Requiem got 4.21 then 3.93?? And do NOT tell me, oh, Lana's stupid arc killed viewers. Bullsh1t. If Lois is sooo great then people should have come back when Lana left the show. If Lois was such a big deal, then people shouldn't have bailed on her just because Lana had one (arguably two, I didn't mind Requiem as much as Power) bad episodes.

The truth its Smallville's stories and the characters play only a very small part in the ratings the show gets. Competition from other shows and external factors are the deciders - NOT whether Lois Lane is in the episode or not. Plus, just about every show drops ratings during the second half of any season because as humans the commitment of the viewers fails as time goes on.

Now important note: I'm NOT bashing Lois or ED. I like them both - actress and character - this season more than ever! But I'm getting terribly sick of how every single thread on this site (regardless of the initial topic) inevitably becomes a "lets lick the ground that ED/Lois walks on and beat the sh1t out of KK/Lana at every opportunity" conversation. Lois is just a character on the show, like Clark, Lex, Lana, Chloe and Tess. Hell, if anything, Davis has been more important than her this year because he's actually part of the overarching story that is Clark VS Doomsday - which Lois has almost nothing to do with. Putting her in every episode would have hindered that story just as much as Lana's random, stupid arc in the middle of the season.

So. Lois is good. But she's not everything. Please give it a rest people.

As I stated twice already more then Lana partially killing the ratings it was the inconsistent storylines that happened when she re-appeared and continued after she left. The whole Lana arc was a huge buzzkill(except for Clana fans) compared to what we got from the first 12 episodes, then the constant Lois/Davis/Chloe-in-Lois/Davis episodes following it that Clark was treated as a secondary character drove that inconsistency into the ground.

I don't see how I am bashing Lana when I saw her 5 strory arc should have been told in the first 5 episodes which would have made it a more consistent storyline as opposed to how they plopped her arc smack dab in the middle of the season where it seemed totally out of place.

[batfinx]

What I don't get is you KNOW that competition, breaks, power outages play a part in how a show performs in the ratings, what I don't get is make jabs at Lana's arc? Implying that it's the storyline and not the competition, etc that brought on the lower ratings and not her arc.

Actually what I wrote was: "The one perk Smallville had earlier this year was some positive media buzz about its new direction, but that dried up after the show reverted to a really old direction." My comment was about the media buzz drying up. I said nothing about the Lana arc, though I'd agree with you that that Clana is an old direction, but the same could be said of Chloe being engaged to one guy while attracted to another in terms of old 'been there/done that' plotting, especially with one of the guy's in the triangle being a Superman villain.

I don't look at the ratings from a shipper perspective because obviously ships over the years have done nothing positive for the show or the ratings wouldn't continue to fall, or at the very least they'd stabilize. In fact, if there is a ship that has any influence in the ratings, it's obviously the couple from Bones :D


Show me an article that says AI is not competition for Smallville. This show gets an average of 25 million viewers every night it's on.

It's easy to see in the ratings. Bones clobbers Smallville because it has audience crossover appeal with the same viewers. People have posted here about Bones and wishing it wasn't up against Smallville because they love both shows. AI is a reality show, but Bones is a scripted show with appealing continuing characters and it has a large shipper audience. Bones fans are "squeeing" all over the internet due to the Bones finale promo trailer. To be honest Smallville should've come back from hiatus even a week later than it did no matter how the returning episode would suffer so that Smallville's finale wouldn't have to go head to head with Bones' finale.


Because from what I've seen of the ratings trend compared to S7 and S8, the household ratings percentage for both seasons are about the same. The last arc is ALWAYS the lowest rated eps. Check the stats yourself.

Season 7 had a couple of episodes that got a 3.x rating, which no episode this year has done. Also, season 7 had more episodes that got a 5 share. Unfortunately this year there have been episodes that have gotten a 3 share for the first time in the show's history starting with Turbulence. As for the final arc always getting the lowest ratings, I said in my post that Smallville's ratings (not just the final arcs) have fallen every single year except for season 2.


And if Requiem had such an effect on ratings on a future ep, how come Infamous pulled in 1.6/4 ratio airing right after Requiem? That's the same ratio that Requiem received 1.6/4. According to these stats, SV didn't lose any ratings due to Requiem.

According to the fast nationals Requiem got a 2.4/4 and Infamous got a 2.2/4. Although I'll give kudos to Infamous because even after a hiatus (it didn't air right after Requiem) and being up against Survivor and Bones, which wasn't the case for Requiem since it was against AI and reruns of the Big Bang Theory and How I met Your Mother and not airing during sweeps, which was true of Requiem, it put in a pretty decent showing. Infamous really beat the odds to bring in a good rating.


Requiem's repeats had nothing to do with Stilletto's poor ratings performance.

It's not hard to figure. Hiatus and reruns are detrimental. That's simply a fact.


Stilletto received 1.3/4, Beast 1.4/4 and Injustice 1.5/5. So the ratings are increasing even though it's by small amounts. But those stats are in line with S7's ratings for the last arc.

Stiletto received a 2.0/3 and Beast received a 2.0/3, Injustice received a 2.1/4, Those are the national numbers for those episodes. You posted links to Mediaweek, which uses the major market numbers, not the nationals. That's why the rating side will appear smaller, but the share size larger compared to the nationals. The major market numbers, as the name implies, does not cover the entire country, just those in specific metered markets. That data is valuable to local sponsors who advertise in specific local television markets, but the overall numbers leave out smaller cities, towns and rural markets.


I don't see how I am bashing Lana when I saw her 5 strory arc should have been told in the first 5 episodes which would have made it a more consistent storyline as opposed to how they plopped her arc smack dab in the middle of the season where it seemed totally out of place.

Good point, I totally agree. It wasn't the arc per se, it was the placement. It was designed for last year and so involved Lex and involved a ship that would've ended last year if not for the writers' strike and so they should've taken care of both of those season 7 dangling plot lines at the beginning before they started moving season 8 in its designed direction.

[Supsfan]

According to the fast nationals Requiem got a 2.4/4 and Infamous got a 2.2/4. Although I'll give kudos to Infamous because even after a hiatus (it didn't air right after Requiem) and being up against Survivor and Bones, which wasn't the case for Requiem since it was against AI and reruns of the Big Bang Theory and How I met Your Mother and not airing during sweeps, which was true of Requiem, it put in a pretty decent showing. Infamous really beat the odds to bring in a good rating.

Both Infamous and Turbulance from my understanding were blacked out in some markets due to the local CW showing College basketball

[4815162342LOST]

People need to get over Lois and ED. Its bordering on some kind of weird fetish. People read the character or actress' name and they gush like a tap.

The phrase "Lois brings in ratings" is nonsensical. If Lois is the be-all-and-end-all factor regarding ratings, then why did Hex get 3.8 and Stiletto only get 3.1 when Power and Requiem got 4.21 then 3.93?? And do NOT tell me, oh, Lana's stupid arc killed viewers. Bullsh1t. If Lois is sooo great then people should have come back when Lana left the show. If Lois was such a big deal, then people shouldn't have bailed on her just because Lana had one (arguably two, I didn't mind Requiem as much as Power) bad episodes.

The truth its Smallville's stories and the characters play only a very small part in the ratings the show gets. Competition from other shows and external factors are the deciders - NOT whether Lois Lane is in the episode or not. Plus, just about every show drops ratings during the second half of any season because as humans the commitment of the viewers fails as time goes on.

Now important note: I'm NOT bashing Lois or ED. I like them both - actress and character - this season more than ever! But I'm getting terribly sick of how every single thread on this site (regardless of the initial topic) inevitably becomes a "lets lick the ground that ED/Lois walks on and beat the sh1t out of KK/Lana at every opportunity" conversation. Lois is just a character on the show, like Clark, Lex, Lana, Chloe and Tess. Hell, if anything, Davis has been more important than her this year because he's actually part of the overarching story that is Clark VS Doomsday - which Lois has almost nothing to do with. Putting her in every episode would have hindered that story just as much as Lana's random, stupid arc in the middle of the season.

So. Lois is good. But she's not everything. Please give it a rest people.

I love this :lol::lol::lol: