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Wicked Lois

05-04-2009, 09:29 AM

I am really annoyed by this episode. What happened in Beast could have happened in ONE scene. The whole thing was absurd, considering that in next episode it will have made NO SENSE at all for Chloe leaving like that.

Since they announced Season 9, the arc developed for the second half of the season has been ... a bleak!

At least in Stilleto we has some fun.

davidbrenton

05-04-2009, 09:32 AM

Beast was a major disappointment (And I wasn't even expecting much). These "darker" episodes aren't dark and intelligent, their literally dark due to a low buget with a lack of creativity to keep people entertained.

Clana Kent

05-04-2009, 09:32 AM

No, it's about the main story arc this season.
Not every episode you don't like is necessarily a filler ;)

Wicked Lois

05-04-2009, 09:36 AM

Well, I didnt like Requiem and I didnt consider that thing a filler.

Beast was not bad, Beast was just full of no sense.... considering that the whole plot developed could be the oppening for Injustice or whatever.

costas22

05-04-2009, 09:36 AM

It kept on par with where this season has gone and where it will go from now on, so no it wasn't a filler.

I do agree that as a story it could have been told in a shorter amount of time.

nic25

05-04-2009, 09:45 AM

It kept on par with where this season has gone and where it will go from now on, so no it wasn't a filler.

I do agree that as a story it could have been told in a shorter amount of time.

I agree! Was it my favorite episode?...no,but i wouldnt call it a filler.

tyson08

05-04-2009, 10:40 AM

:rolleyes: Just because Lois wasn't in an episode doesn't make it a filler.

Night_Hawk90

05-04-2009, 10:46 AM

this episode was nowhere near a filler, yes parts of it were extremely hard to watch (chlavis beginning scene) but the doomsday arc was moved forward.

Davis Bloome

05-04-2009, 11:03 AM

They should put an official describtion on what a filler is. To me it's an episode that hardly or doesn't follow any story arcs at all. I mean I considered Stiletto a filler cause it only followed the story arc of the RBB in the end moving the story arc hardly forward, but pushing the relationship between Lois and Clark/RBB forward, but again only in the end. How they reached those points wasn't really essential, while in Beast I thought most points, not all of them pushed the DD story Arc forward so for me it's not a filler.

justme_007

05-04-2009, 11:07 AM

Beast a filler come on!!!!!! IT´s the main arc of the season. Great episode!!!!!!!!!!! Stiletto was a filler .

sithius

05-04-2009, 11:09 AM

How could someone call this a filler compared to say, Stiletto? Seriously...

VitalManhattan

05-04-2009, 12:48 PM

How could someone call this a filler compared to say, Stiletto? Seriously...

Because people think that an episode without Lois, is automatically a filler.

I agree, Stiletto was a filler..the word "Filler" needs to be redefined so people understand what it means.

madcatlady

05-04-2009, 01:11 PM

It wasn't a filler per se, but possibly half the time put into it could have been trimmed. Then again, we got 22 episodes this year, so not every minute is gonna satisfy everyone.

Stiletto was more of a filler (except the last 5 minutes), but it was fun and at least laid groundwork for Intergang.

Supsfan

05-04-2009, 01:49 PM

How could someone call this a filler compared to say, Stiletto? Seriously...

To me if the episode doesn't focus on Clark in any way then it's filler. I am of the belief that we don't need alot of background on Davis/Doomsday to set up the fight in the final episode, that storyline should be relegated to the b plots, not be made the main focus on an episode. In terms of the Davis storyline I think we got enough information about his character and background in Prey and Bloodline that we theorectically could go to the last episode and the story would make sense, so everything else between Bloodline and Doomsday would be filler in regaurds to Davis' character.

If the show was called Chloeville or Davisville I wouldn't consider it filler, but the fact I view it as a show about Clark Kent I do consider it filler. My main issue with Beast was Clark was relegated to nothing more then a supporting character in this episode

But as some people pointed out I guess it depends what your definition of filler is.

Selina

05-04-2009, 02:00 PM

Because people think that an episode without Lois, is automatically a filler.

Not to start a debate or anything but seriously, the same can be said about Chloe and/or Davis. Before Stiletto was aired, I read some posts claiming they were only going to watch the Chloe scenes on youtube after. I could go into some of the comments made afterwards but I wont....

That said though, I don't think either episodes were fillers.

Both episodes moved all the acs this season forward. I don't think any episode was less or more "filler" than the other. They were two very different episodes but both progressed the storylines for the forseable and long term future.

melissan02

05-04-2009, 02:04 PM

:rolleyes: Just because Lois wasn't in an episode doesn't make it a filler.

And just because she is doesn't make it one either...as was the word for last week's Stiletto episode.

That being said, I don't think Beast was filler at all. It, along w/ Injustice this week will set things up nicely for what will hopefully be an action-packed, drama-filled, cliff-hanging finale! God help us all!:lol:

TheEradicator6

05-04-2009, 02:09 PM

SupermanRox

05-04-2009, 02:25 PM

No, I don't think Beast was filler. Not hardly.

Davis Bloome

05-04-2009, 02:50 PM

And just because she is doesn't make it one either...as was the word for last week's Stiletto episode. Depends on the context. If an episode with Lois pushes a story arc forward than it isn't a filler. Does it not or hardly then it is a filler. That is why it was a filler imo, cause it hardly pushed forward the RBB story arc. Now some of course disagree (and probably you too) cause they would say that the episode was 'essential' to the RBB story Arc, while only the ending was imo. That's the difference. Most points in Beast were meant to push the DD story Arc forward. While I didn't seem much point in Lois dressing up as a superhero... While it was still funny and it made a good episode, they could have found a more practical way to push the story forward which could have made it more essential for the RBB story arc.

Vindellavon

05-04-2009, 03:08 PM

At least in Stilleto we has some fun.

Not everyone had fun watching Lois making a fool of herself.

As for Beast being a filler, up to the viewer. It's always up the viewers, because may of us are biased, and happen to like episodes centered on certain arc, rather than others. It all depend. I thought Stiletto was a filler, I thought Hex was a filler, I tthough Toxic was a filler. I don't know if others agree or not, but that's what I saw, and what if what I was hoping to encounter wasn't encountered, then it's a filler.

devilneedsaride

05-04-2009, 03:21 PM

It wasn't filler. It was quite bad, in my opinion, but it wasn't filler.

Supsfan

05-04-2009, 03:52 PM

It wasn't filler. It was quite bad, in my opinion, but it wasn't filler.

Problem for me is let's say Chloe and Davis jumped in the car to run away at the end of Stiletto would there be anything in Beast that adds to Clark's story? I would argue no, unless of coarse you think Chloe and Clark is endgame in terms of romantic relationship. Basically they could have done everything important to the storyline short term(setting up season final) and Long term(series end) in a matter of 2 minutes. The only other thing on this episode that might make a difference in terms of story telling is Jimmy and Ollie's relationship.

devilneedsaride

05-04-2009, 04:02 PM

Problem for me is let's say Chloe and Davis jumped in the car to run away at the end of Stiletto would there be anything in Beast that adds to Clark's story? I would argue no, unless of coarse you think Chloe and Clark is endgame in terms of romantic relationship. Basically they could have done everything important to the storyline short term(setting up season final) and Long term(series end) in a matter of 2 minutes. The only onther thing on this episode that might make a difference in terms of story telling is Jimmy and Ollie's relationship.

Well, first off, that would ruin the incredibly fantastic ending to Stilletto.

Furthermore, this episode was crucial in explicating the reasons behind Chloe's actions. Before this episode, nobody really knew what she was thinking (still in debate, I know, but we do have a much better idea now, at least). This episode was necessary character development and setup for the finale, and I think that they needed the time they used in order to do that properly. Even if you don't consider Chloe to be an important character in her own right, her actions here and the reasons behind them are closely related to how Clark will handle the Doomsday/Davis situation in the finale, which I would argue is very important to his character and his story.

Additionally, Jimmy and Oliver find out that Davis is Doomsday in this episode, which could be a big plot point later on.

LuthorKent90

05-04-2009, 04:04 PM

Beast fit into the main story arc this season. Doomsday/Davis Bloom.

As much as I HATED the shipperage of it. And the fact that this is reminding me of the Clexana triangle, it wasn't a filler episode.

Supsfan

05-04-2009, 04:06 PM

Well, first off, that would ruin the incredibly fantastic ending to Stilletto.

Furthermore, this episode was crucial in explicating the reasons behind Chloe's actions. Before this episode, nobody really knew what she was thinking (still in debate, I know, but we do have a much better idea now, at least). This episode was necessary character development and setup for the finale, and I think that they needed the time they used in order to do that properly. Even if you don't consider Chloe to be an important character in her own right, her actions here and the reasons behind them are closely related to how Clark will handle the Doomsday/Davis situation in the finale, which I would argue is very important to his character and his story.

Additionally, Jimmy and Oliver find out that Davis is Doomsday in this episode, which could be a big plot point later on.

They could have written the big Clark/Doomsday Battle when Bride happened for all I am concerned. We knew enough about Davis at that point that he could have fully transformed into Doomsday and they have there epic battle. Everything else after that point is what I would refer to as needless drama for the sake of drama in reguards to his storyline.

devilneedsaride

05-04-2009, 04:11 PM

They could have written the big Clark/Doomsday Battle when Bride happened for all I am concerned. We knew enough about Davis at that point that he could have fully transformed into Doomsday and they have there epic battle. Everything else after that point is what I would refer to as needless drama for the sake of drama in reguards to his storyline.

I agree that it would have fit into Bride quite nicely, but given that it wasn't and they did go with the entirely bizarre Chloe hiding Doomsday storyline, they really needed this episode to help both the viewers and Clark understand what on earth she thinks she's doing. I don't like this arc, but it would have made even less sense without this ep.

xrayvision

05-04-2009, 04:15 PM

It was a crappy non-filler that I hoped to be great but was a great disappointment instead. It proves my point that since season 3 there hasn't been a season that was really consistently good from start to finish.

Supsfan

05-04-2009, 04:16 PM

I agree that it would have fit into Bride quite nicely, but given that it wasn't and they did go with the entirely bizarre Chloe hiding Doomsday storyline, they really needed this episode to help both the viewers and Clark understand what on earth she thinks she's doing. I don't like this arc, but it would have made even less sense without this ep.

I guess then we both have different opinions what is and isn't filler then. As I said above, any storylines that takes away from Clark is considered filler to me, and Chloe and the Beast definantly fits under that description(for arguement sake I would consider Lexana filler as well although I know that was a huge storyline season 5 + 6) :P

devilneedsaride

05-04-2009, 04:27 PM

I guess then we both have different opinions what is and isn't filler then. As I said above, any storylines that takes away from Clark is considered filler to me, and Chloe and the Beast definantly fits under that description(for arguement sake I would consider Lexana filler as well although I know that was a huge storyline season 5 + 6) :P

*shudder* Lexana.

I disagree with your definition of filler, but I can see where you're coming from. However, I would argue that all this Chloe/Davis blah blah blahing is relevant enough to Clark's development to plop it into the non-filler category even by your definition. Doomsday is Clark's first real challenge since he's taken on his more active superhero role, and how he handles this morally difficult situation is very important to his character development and his progression toward becoming the Superman we all know and love. The involvement of his best friend and the nature of his enemy (Davis/Doomsday) not only greatly affect the choices he will make in this situation, but what those decisions will say about him as a person. Therefore, despite all appearances to the contrary, this storyline is ultimately very much about Clark.

Jill

05-04-2009, 04:32 PM

No, it wasn't a filler at all.

green_arrow_girl358

05-04-2009, 04:33 PM

i don't think it was filler. it wasn't the most exciting episode, but considering we only have two epi's left, it has to be building up to the finale.

xrayvision

05-04-2009, 04:34 PM

Billy Jor-El

05-04-2009, 05:33 PM

No, not a filler at all. Many eps bug me in that with long commercial breaks we end up with a lot less in true story arcs than I'd like to see, but Beast is bringing about the inevitable showdown between Kal-El and DD with Chloe Sullivan as the catalyst making it happen. Hmmmm, I'd go for the show to move to HBO and have no commercials and 55 minutes of pure content ;)

Violet-Shadow

05-04-2009, 05:39 PM

One of the worst episodes of the season IMO but not a filler.

IA though that there should've been more focus on Clark. In this half of the season, the main character is Chloe not Clark and I think that's terrible. I don't mind Chloe having a centric episode here and there but we've gotten so many of them and Clark is just pushed to the side...

No, Beast was not a filler but it didn't progress Clark's journey to becoming Superman either (which Stiletto did, just thought I'd mention that).

Dustmite

05-04-2009, 05:40 PM

NO!

Storm45

05-04-2009, 05:50 PM

No. I don't see this episode as a filler. As if none of what happened in Beast has no repercussion? It advance the Doomsday storyline, the Chlark relationship, it touched Clark's morality vs Oliver's morality and Chloe's role in all that. They advance Jimmy's storyarc this season ans his last since may set up for things that we' may see him doing in episodes to come.

5Mins

05-04-2009, 05:52 PM

Nah, this episode wasn't filler. It was better than Stiletto, IMO, though the ending to Stiletto was alright... I guess. :p

It furthered the plot by sending Chloe off with Davis, questioned the ideologies of Chloe and Oliver, and showed Davis continuing to actively try to suppress the beast within. It showed why Clark's Phantom Zone idea wasn't all that clever, and demonstrated that he was in real danger (the dream sequence). I think it showed him a little bit scared/desperate in some ways too (see: punching the locker and his standing around in the fortress after Chloe left with Davis).

I thought it was great (though as usual, Supernatural had the edge :lol:).

EDIT: I also think it showed that Davis was becoming almost dependent on Chloe, which I think is ominous (for him, not Chloe, who I still think will survive this season :p).

Wicked Lois

05-04-2009, 06:20 PM

Not everyone had fun watching Lois making a fool of herself.

As for Beast being a filler, up to the viewer. It's always up the viewers, because may of us are biased, and happen to like episodes centered on certain arc, rather than others. It all depend. I thought Stiletto was a filler, I thought Hex was a filler, I tthough Toxic was a filler. I don't know if others agree or not, but that's what I saw, and what if what I was hoping to encounter wasn't encountered, then it's a filler.

This is not about Lois being in it or not. But Id rather see Lois making fool of herself then make my self folled by this trashy episode.

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Supsfan

05-04-2009, 06:25 PM

Meanwhile, I agree that over the entire series, this episode & any that don't progress Clark are fillers as far as the series goes. Meaning that almost all the episodes of seasons 4-7 are fillers as Clark radically regressed, especially starting season 5.

As long as Clark is front and center in an episode and not shown to be depressed or self loathing I am generally happy with the episode, although there are a few exceptions(Ageless and Subterranean come to mind). Probably a big reason why I liked Season 4 and the first part of season 8 so much is we hardly get to see angsty Clark.

I can definantly see how people would label alot of Season 4 episode "fillers", but if that the case then there is many episodes in the first 3 seasons that would be fillers as well(every FOTW storyline would be filler, although you can argue 5 minutes of the b-plot wasn't for that particular episode)

Nibiru

05-04-2009, 06:36 PM

I don't think it was filler, but it does feel like they're stretching since season 9 was green lighted.

SGuthrie27

05-04-2009, 06:36 PM

I don't know how people could consider this episode to be filler, when it had very clear plot points that move directly into the season finale. It built up tons of tension and character development, and all of it was related to the overall Doomsday arc that's been moving along steadily this entire season.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

Violet-Shadow

05-04-2009, 07:29 PM

It showed why Clark's Phantom Zone idea wasn't all that clever

That's funny. I don't remember this non-filler episode showing that at all. In fact, I think many would disagree with you on that point, including myself.

This episode wasn't a filler because it progressed the Chlavis/Doomsday arc and was a set up for Doomsday . Personally, I have detested this storyline and the copious amount of time given to characters who should take second place to Clark, but that doesn't mean this episode was a filler. I don't think it was.

redkryptoniteisthebest

05-04-2009, 07:32 PM

Heck no. It progressed quite well with the storyline.

Supsfan

05-04-2009, 07:42 PM

I don't think it was filler, but it does feel like they're stretching since season 9 was green lighted.

That's probably a better way to put it, then filler. As I said above they could have had Doomsday make his appearence in Bride and I don't think it would make much difference. All Davis related plots after that just feel like stretching things out

AndiGirl

05-04-2009, 07:49 PM

I dont think it was filler at all......this is what the season has been leading up to.
I do, however, think they took something that could have easily been 15-20 minutes...and stretched it into an entire episode.

My guess is they are trying to stretch things out since season 9 is official. :\

ClarkyBoy14

05-04-2009, 08:06 PM

:rolleyes: Just because Lois wasn't in an episode doesn't make it a filler.

QFT.

Kal-ed

05-04-2009, 08:44 PM

Not a filler, there are two main arcs this season the RBB one and the Doomsday one, in this case the DD arc was progressed, so although I didnt like I would not consider it a filler at all.

CloisFan17

05-04-2009, 08:47 PM

I have been waiting for this episode since 2 weeks ago when Stiletto was over ever since I saw the promo I was sooo hyped on watching it & let me tell you I was sooo not disappointed especially with the acting & the plot twists they gave us. It was amazing & if every episode is like this I will want to keep watching more & more. I just love the interactions with the cast & the characters it's so cool to see SV take it to where we thought they couldn't it is so amazing. & amazingly acted by all the cast. I of course loved Allison the best in it because wow CAN THAT GIRL ACT HER BUTT OFF seriously she caught my attention the whole time. & omg the Kiss???!!!! That was filling enough ;) haha I just adored this episode my favorite so far this Season & I can't wait for more I am excited I loved it all the way

aceofclubs

05-04-2009, 09:15 PM

If this episode was a filler then I am the Queen of England!

CloisFan17

05-04-2009, 09:26 PM

^^For you maybe not but for those of us who actually liked the episode yeah it was good enough for me :) plus I keep rewatching the kiss so thats a plus lol

aceofclubs

05-04-2009, 10:13 PM

^^For you maybe not but for those of us who actually liked the episode yeah it was good enough for me :) plus I keep rewatching the kiss so thats a plus lol

I liked the episode too. It was more of a dig at the notion that this was a filler. I will agree though, that kiss was something else. Probably the hottest lip action of season 8 :eek:

CloisFan17

05-04-2009, 10:14 PM

^^Yeah it was a hot kiss I was watching it again & you can totally see they both use tongues it was pretty intense :) but I loved it

Wicked Lois

05-04-2009, 10:27 PM

If this episode was a filler then I am the Queen of England!

Hey queen!!

----- Added 46 Seconds later -----

I dont think it was filler at all......this is what the season has been leading up to.
I do, however, think they took something that could have easily been 15-20 minutes...and stretched it into an entire episode.

My guess is they are trying to stretch things out since season 9 is official. :\

Thats what I thought

Mackdaddy

05-04-2009, 11:43 PM

I am gonna be good and just say no. I will leave what I really want to say to myself.

Bizarrolover

05-05-2009, 07:40 AM

Qualifies as a filler as the plot didn't progress much, save for the fact that Clark learned Davis is still alive. As for the rest, they all stand pretty much in the same place where they were last episode. Chloe is still with doomsday, Oliver is still a jerk and Clark made a step back and allowed Chloe to make decisions for him.

Beast was an intense, melodramatic filler.

Davis Bloome

05-05-2009, 08:19 AM

5Mins

05-05-2009, 08:48 AM

That's funny. I don't remember this non-filler episode showing that at all. In fact, I think many would disagree with you on that point, including myself.

Each to his/her own. I think sending a world destroyer to another inhabited world/dimension is irresponsible and dangerous. I also find the idea of sentencing Davis, who has honestly been trying to suppress his demons, to eternal torment because he happened to have a beast aspect programmed into him at birth, is reprehensible. Like I said, each to his/her own.

This isn't a nature problem either: he (Davis) wasn't born with the intent to kill. The show has made it clear (the visual transformation alone seems enough to support this) that he and Doomsday are two different beings, with different methods of action. Davis actively tries to suppress and control the beast, and channel its powers into doing something closer to good. He is a victim of his Doomsday programming too.

However, regardless of the Phantom Zone being an option/non-option, I agree that this wasn't a filler episode.

Bizarrolover

05-05-2009, 09:35 AM

If that's all you saw in the episode... I mean, I saw Chloe betraying Clark and for the first time Clark seeing it in front of his own eyes. She left the city if you hadn't noticed, which also has a big impact on their relationship. Davis also begins to slip more away as he now doesn't even kill criminals any longer, but he was going to kill one of Chloe's friends. But I guess that's unimportant too... I mean Oliver is a murderer, and probably a lot of criminals Davis killed were too, so where's the difference.

Chloe has been betraying Clark since eternal, the difference now is that Clark knows about it. Emotionally, Chloe is in the same place, she still under Davis' control only now it's full time and in a different location.

I think the major change in this episode happened in Davis. He's not willing to sacrifice himself anymore, he's not trying to fight the monster anymore, he just wants his Chloe fix and uses the monster line to have her around 24/7. Soon not even that will be enough.

It's an interesting paralell they are establishing between Davis an Jimmy. Two episodes ago, pushed by Davis' actions (stealing his wife from him), Jimmy became an addict and now Davis is becoming more and more addicted to Chloe while Jimmy is letting go of her and recovering his old life.