View Full Version : What did Chloe's dream mean?
vikingjedi
05-02-2009, 06:06 PM
I'm not completely sure what it meant, was thinking it could be a few things:
- maybe she is torn by feelings for Davis
- maybe she thinks she might have to have sex with Davis eventually to keep him from going after Clark because he keeps wanting more from her (thats where the relationship seems to be headed)
- maybe she's afraid that she will keep the charade going with Davis and then might actually like it and turn evil like he is
The last part of the dream with Clark torn up seems obvious I think. Thats how she thinks its going to end and its her worst nightmare.
actaeon
05-02-2009, 06:10 PM
She's attracted to Davis. She's horrified that she is attracted to this killer, this smooth-talking murderer, but she is attracted to him nevertheless.
I thought the dream sequence was brilliant. It doesn't portray Chloe in a very good light; but like Oliver said, "people change". Chloe has changed into one tangled piece of string!
costas22
05-02-2009, 06:10 PM
I think that it's your first option. She does have some sort of attarction for him. The episode was going back and forth on this matter, but i do believe there is something there. Dreams aren't like fantasies were you see what you want to see, nonetheless i do think there is something there.
Supsfan
05-02-2009, 06:11 PM
Chloe has changed into one tangled piece of string!
Well don't they say the apple doesn't fall far away from the tree
melissan02
05-02-2009, 06:33 PM
I think Chloe's dream has to do w/ her attraction to and growing feelings for Davis.
Overall however, I think the writers wanted to show us just how messed up Chloe is right now in her irrational thought and decision making. When Chloe decended the basement stairs, there was a trail of rose petals, with a smiling Davis waiting for her at the bottom. All seemed fine and sweet to Chloe, but then we see a trail of blood leading her to a torn in half bleeding Clark!:eek::(
So the decision she has made to betray Clark, even though her intentions might have been good at the time, may end up causing his death as well as countless others. This is Doomsday after all!
Chloe, that trail of rose petals doesn't lead to your dream guy, it leads to doom!
green_arrow_girl358
05-02-2009, 08:28 PM
i didn't think the last bit was so much about how it's gonna end. i thought it was more of a "this is what davis will do if i keep him here"
Violet-Shadow
05-02-2009, 08:36 PM
She's attracted but I don't think she has feelings for him. At least, I hope not. If she does, then she's completely going off the deep end, falling in love with the monster who's destiny is to kill her bff.
Personally, I think Chloe is desperate for some sort of fairy tale and her dream was very telling of that. She'll take the fairy tale, even if it's with that...that, "Davis." Then she views Clark and his half corpse and she comes to understand that there is no fairy tale...instead, it's a nightmare. Exactly as the spoilers foretold.
jpfort1957
05-02-2009, 09:21 PM
I felt like she wanted every second of that dream to be true.............then see saw the blood trail..........and then she realizes what life with Davis leads to, death and more death.
xrayvision
05-03-2009, 12:13 AM
I don't know if there's anyone else with me on this, but I'm really starting to think that Chloe's dream with Clark ripped in half is actually what will be happening to her as a result of her decision. Something tells me that if Chloe dies in the finale, we are going to see one of, if not the most disturbing scene in Smallville history. I have a strong feeling if this happens, there will not only be blood everywhere, but Chloe will be totally dismembered, sending Clark into a rage that will start the fight.
After seeing what we did this season, I wouldn't put this past TPTB. I don't see anything good coming out of her decision. All I see is something on a horrific scale.
vikingjedi
05-03-2009, 12:36 AM
I don't know if there's anyone else with me on this, but I'm really starting to think that Chloe's dream with Clark ripped in half is actually what will be happening to her as a result of her decision. Something tells me that if Chloe dies in the finale, we are going to see one of, if not the most disturbing scene in Smallville history. I have a strong feeling if this happens, there will not only be blood everywhere, but Chloe will be totally dismembered, sending Clark into a rage that will start the fight.
After seeing what we did this season, I wouldn't put this past TPTB. I don't see anything good coming out of her decision. All I see is something on a horrific scale.
That would be the last time I ever watched Smallville.
A lot of people would feel the same way. They would lose at least 25% of their viewers.
To destroy the one person who has been by Clark's side all this time would be unforgivable.
Serynarpc
05-03-2009, 12:51 AM
'- maybe she thinks she might have to have sex with Davis eventually to keep him from going after Clark because he keeps wanting more from her (thats where the relationship seems to be headed)'
I definitely don't think that Chloe would want to consider 'having to have sex' with Davis. In her dream, Davis was making romantic entreaties and she made the first mood.
In reality, instead of handing her a chocolate bar, he handed her a chocolate heart. Davis wants the romantic relationship, not forcing Chloe to do something that she's not comfortable with. The situation of his proximity to Clark forcing Chloe to take action is unfourtanate, but he never wanted that.
'The last part of the dream with Clark torn up seems obvious I think. Thats how she thinks its going to end and its her worst nightmare.'
Definitely. That image might give me a nightmare one of these nights. It was so graphic and gruesome- it wasn't an accidental death or a DD attack- it was pure and focussed murder and destruction of Clark's body. Definitely a frightening thing for Chloe to be dreading.
Personally, I think that Chloe is attracted to Davis and would have liked to have been woed by him in any other situation. Before we knew he was DD, he was a yummy package. However, the DD aspect just makes it tragic.
xrayvision
05-03-2009, 01:32 AM
That would be the last time I ever watched Smallville.
A lot of people would feel the same way. They would lose at least 25% of their viewers.
To destroy the one person who has been by Clark's side all this time would be unforgivable.
The problem is that she is no longer on Clark's side. If anything, she set the ball in motion for this very thing to happen by what she did in Beast. The problem is that by doubting Clark's decision, she stepped away from being on his side. She knew she was way over her head, and what kills me is that Clark was about to help not only her & himself but Earth as a whole by sending Davis to the Zone.
The sad thing is Chloe fans only have the writers, Chloe & Davis to blame if this happens.
costas22
05-03-2009, 02:11 AM
Actually they have just the writers to blame. That has been my constant motto. It's the writers that bring these characters to life and it's them who make decisions for them. I think that in the end of Beast, they did try to sell us that she was doing this just for Clak but by then it was too late.
xrayvision
05-03-2009, 02:39 AM
Whatever they were selling, I wasn't & I'm still not buying it. The reasoning made no sense to me. BadToad put it best. Clark is supposed to feel bad if he puts Davis in the Zone but not if Chloe throws her life away by running away with him (a murderer who is destined to become the monster he really is deep down)? It just doesn't make sense. Clark had no reason to feel guilty about putting him in the Zone, because contrary to what Chloe thinks it's a prison & not hell. It's the only place where Davis would be able to roam without powers. And it would buy them all the time they need to perhaps one day find an actual cure.
topping82
05-03-2009, 02:55 AM
I think the dream was showing us Chloe's hidden desires and fears. It's obvious Chloe wants to be with Davis (that was quite the dream she had), but that she holds back because he's been programmed to kill. He's a monster and until she can find a cure, she's not sure if she can give into that desire. And she probably hasn't even admitted her full feelings to herself yet. Her dreams are trying to come to terms with what she's been repressing during the day.
Dreams are not always literal. So yes of course we know Chloe is attracted to Davis, thinks of him as romantic, but fears that the beast inside of him will kill Clark. That's the literal meaning of the dream.
However, I think there is more to the dream. Usually Beauty and the Beast type stories (this was a BatB type episode; could they make it any more blaringly obvious with all of the "roses?"), the girl is torn between her loyalty to her father (Clark in this story, like Raoul in Phantom of the Opera) and her growing attraction to a "Beast." The beast is symbolic of sexual awareness and an awakening. Something the "father" feels threatened by.
Chloe is afraid of giving into that kind of passion, so she makes the guy she wants to be with a "beast," so as to keep herself from giving in to him.
Almost all Beauty and the Beast stories have a dream or nightmare somewhere in it. In the 18th century fairy tale, Beauty has a dream of a handsome Prince Charming. She likes him. But then the dream turns into a nightmare, because she thinks that the Beast is "bad" and is hiding the prince somewhere inside of the castle. She fears for the Prince, but does not realize that the Prince she's been dreaming about is also the beast.
Jane Eyre has a nightmare about Rochester abandoning her before the doomed wedding. I could go on. Even Christine in Phantom of the Opera sings about nightmares that she has about the Phantom. But at the same time, it's clear that had he not become a murderer she would have chosen him over Raoul.
When Chloe sees the dead body of Clark, I think it's interesting to note that it is the dead body of a YOUNG Clark Kent from season one. The boy she fell in love with as a girl. Clark represents young love. In her subconscious, she's trying to "kill" him so she can "let go" and open herself up to a man who clearly loves her, and who she could love if she let herself. She's trying to free herself from her past. Her subconsious is trying to come to terms with her inner struggles.
She still loves Clark, but knows she can't ever have a fulfilling relationship until she lets him go.
So yes, Chloe is afraid of Davis killing Clark. But again, it's also symbolic. She's also afraid of pursuing her own "passions." And she is afraid of letting go of her feelings for Clark.
With Jimmy, Chloe was always "safe." Her heart was never at risk. Chloe is what I call a girl who likes to RUN!!! She subconsciously falls in love with a guy (Clark) who she knows deep down will always be unattainable. In that sense, she'll always be free to love him, because her heart will never have to really take that "leap," that "risk."
Jimmy represents the safe choice. There's no real passion. She can "love" Jimmy but never have to truly be "in love" with him, or even have that sexual awakening. She can also still be free to love Clark in her heart.
I think Clark always recognized this. He "wants" Chloe to go on loving him forever, and so he was never quite "threatened" by Jimmy (he was jealous, sure), but threatened? Not really.
But with Davis Clark KNOWS that he could be the man he loses Chloe to. Davis can hold his own against Clark.
Davis is the guy girls like Chloe run from because they are afraid. They're afraid to take that leap. I think Chloe is trying to come to terms with these "feelings."
All the words Davis says to Chloe in her dream are really her own thoughts. But Chloe doesn't give into these feelings because 1) she is afraid that Davis will kill Clark AND 2) she is afraid of letting herself embrace that kind of passion which she's run from her whole life
The end of the episode is a more "realistic" version of Chloe's dream. Everything repeats.
This time, the scene starts again with the music: "Time and space..." Clark's phone rings, like Chloe's did in the beginning. Clark picks it up to hear Chloe on the other end. I think this is telling us that Clark wants to be with Chloe just like Chloe wants to be with Davis. Clark also fears that it is his own "destiny" that has put Chloe in this type of danger. But he will do anything to protect her, just like Chloe will do anything to protect both Davis and Clark.
The phone call is "the death." It doesn't mean literally the death of the friendship Chlark. But rather it goes back to what I think is the fear. Clark is feeling the "death" of their past. Their youthful days of innocence. Hence why he looks at the picture of the Torch. She's changed, because she's "growing up."
So if we're comparing the end scene to the dream (which I think they were meant to be parallel), then Chloe DOES want to be with Davis, but she is "convincing" herself that she's doing it for Clark, so Davis won't kill him. She is afraid to give in completely to her feelings for Davis because of what he is. Yet she sees the good and the "beauty" in him. She knows his inner soul, and she knows that it is good.
Then we get the RED chocolate heart, which is meant to be reminiscent of the dream when Davis handed Chloe the rose.
And then the dream ends with the death. Chloe "letting go," and leaving. The death is the past, which is why she saw the dead body of season 1 Clark, and not of Clark now. She was trying to "kill" her past, if you will.
The song kept mentioning finding peace if you just let go. The song had a double meaning in this episode. In the dream, it meant for Chloe to let go and embrace her feelings for Davis. In other words, admit her feelings.
But the song also means to let go of something that's holding you back. The same goes for Clark. Will he ever let go and admit he has feelings for Chloe? And then on the other hand, can he let her go, his past?
So overall, I think the dream was about Chloe's inner feelings. She wants to be with Davis but is both "afraid" Davis will kill Clark, and is afraid of pursuing a relationship with a man which she knows would be passionate in a way she's never known before. She's afraid of "growing up," and as the song says, "letting go." The song also mentions not having control, which goes back to Oliver's line in the episode about not being able to help who you fall for.
In the end, I think Chloe lets Davis kill Clark in her subconscious, because she's trying to find a way to let go and be with a man who she wants, but is afraid to want.
amalie
05-03-2009, 03:51 AM
I think the dream was showing us Chloe's hidden desires and fears. It's obvious Chloe wants to be with Davis (that was quite the dream she had), but that she holds back because he's been programmed to kill. He's a monster and until she can find a cure, she's not sure if she can give into that desire. And she probably hasn't even admitted her full feelings to herself yet. Her dreams are trying to come to terms with what she's been repressing during the day.
Dreams are not always literal. So yes of course we know Chloe is attracted to Davis, thinks of him as romantic, but fears that the beast inside of him will kill Clark. That's the literal meaning of the dream.
However, I think there is more to the dream. Usually Beauty and the Beast type stories (this was a BatB type episode; could they make it any more blaringly obvious with all of the "roses?"), the girl is torn between her loyalty to her father (Clark in this story, like Raoul in Phantom of the Opera) and her growing attraction to a "Beast." The beast is symbolic of sexual awareness and an awakening. Something the "father" feels threatened by.
Chloe is afraid of giving into that kind of passion, so she makes the guy she wants to be with a "beast," so as to keep herself from giving in to him.
Almost all Beauty and the Beast stories have a dream or nightmare somewhere in it. In the 18th century fairy tale, Beauty has a dream of a handsome Prince Charming. She likes him. But then the dream turns into a nightmare, because she thinks that the Beast is "bad" and is hiding the prince somewhere inside of the castle. She fears for the Prince, but does not realize that the Prince she's been dreaming about is also the beast.
Jane Eyre has a nightmare about Rochester abandoning her before the doomed wedding. I could go on. Even Christine in Phantom of the Opera sings about nightmares that she has about the Phantom. But at the same time, it's clear that had he not become a murderer she would have chosen him over Raoul.
When Chloe sees the dead body of Clark, I think it's interesting to note that it is the dead body of a YOUNG Clark Kent from season one. The boy she fell in love with as a girl. Clark represents young love. In her subconscious, she's trying to "kill" him so she can "let go" and open herself up to a man who clearly loves her, and who she could love if she let herself. She's trying to free herself from her past. Her subconsious is trying to come to terms with her inner struggles.
She still loves Clark, but knows she can't ever have a fulfilling relationship until she lets him go.
So yes, Chloe is afraid of Davis killing Clark. But again, it's also symbolic. She's also afraid of pursuing her own "passions." And she is afraid of letting go of her feelings for Clark.
With Jimmy, Chloe was always "safe." Her heart was never at risk. Chloe is what I call a girl who likes to RUN!!! She subconsciously falls in love with a guy (Clark) who she knows deep down will always be unattainable. In that sense, she'll always be free to love him, because her heart will never have to really take that "leap," that "risk."
Jimmy represents the safe choice. There's no real passion. She can "love" Jimmy but never have to truly be "in love" with him, or even have that sexual awakening. She can also still be free to love Clark in her heart.
I think Clark always recognized this. He "wants" Chloe to go on loving him forever, and so he was never quite "threatened" by Jimmy (he was jealous, sure), but threatened? Not really.
But with Davis Clark KNOWS that he could be the man he loses Chloe to. Davis can hold his own against Clark.
Davis is the guy girls like Chloe run from because they are afraid. They're afraid to take that leap. I think Chloe is trying to come to terms with these "feelings."
All the words Davis says to Chloe in her dream are really her own thoughts. But Chloe doesn't give into these feelings because 1) she is afraid that Davis will kill Clark AND 2) she is afraid of letting herself embrace that kind of passion which she's run from her whole life
The end of the episode is a more "realistic" version of Chloe's dream. Everything repeats.
This time, the scene starts again with the music: "Time and space..." Clark's phone rings, like Chloe's did in the beginning. Clark picks it up to hear Chloe on the other end. I think this is telling us that Clark wants to be with Chloe just like Chloe wants to be with Davis. Clark also fears that it is his own "destiny" that has put Chloe in this type of danger. But he will do anything to protect her, just like Chloe will do anything to protect both Davis and Clark.
The phone call is "the death." It doesn't mean literally the death of the friendship Chlark. But rather it goes back to what I think is the fear. Clark is feeling the "death" of their past. Their youthful days of innocence. Hence why he looks at the picture of the Torch. She's changed, because she's "growing up."
So if we're comparing the end scene to the dream (which I think they were meant to be parallel), then Chloe DOES want to be with Davis, but she is "convincing" herself that she's doing it for Clark, so Davis won't kill him. She is afraid to give in completely to her feelings for Davis because of what he is. Yet she sees the good and the "beauty" in him. She knows his inner soul, and she knows that it is good.
Then we get the RED chocolate heart, which is meant to be reminiscent of the dream when Davis handed Chloe the rose.
And then the dream ends with the death. Chloe "letting go," and leaving. The death is the past, which is why she saw the dead body of season 1 Clark, and not of Clark now. She was trying to "kill" her past, if you will.
The song kept mentioning finding peace if you just let go. The song had a double meaning in this episode. In the dream, it meant for Chloe to let go and embrace her feelings for Davis. In other words, admit her feelings.
But the song also means to let go of something that's holding you back. The same goes for Clark. Will he ever let go and admit he has feelings for Chloe? And then on the other hand, can he let her go, his past?
So overall, I think the dream was about Chloe's inner feelings. She wants to be with Davis but is both "afraid" Davis will kill Clark, and is afraid of pursuing a relationship with a man which she knows would be passionate in a way she's never known before. She's afraid of "growing up," and as the song says, "letting go." The song also mentions not having control, which goes back to Oliver's line in the episode about not being able to help who you fall for.
In the end, I think Chloe lets Davis kill Clark in her subconscious, because she's trying to find a way to let go and be with a man who she wants, but is afraid to want.
While I like your theory about the dream sequence being a direct comparison to the end scene I have to disagree with your analysis of Clark's feelings. He hasn't shown any sign of wanting to 'be with Chloe' for a long time, that song could easily relate to letting go of a friendship, letting Chloe go away with Davis, letting her sacrifice herself etc. All of those interpretations are more plausible than saying "Will he ever let go and admit he has feelings for Chloe?" in my opinion.
As to the dream. I think it was meant to represent Chloe's internal conflict. She is attracted to Davis, whether that's subconscious or not I don't know but I'm leaning towards not. Throughout season 8 we've seen hints of it, she even told Davis she thought she felt something for him when he admitted he loved her. The problem is she also knows he's a killer and a ticking bomb waiting to go off.
xrayvision
05-03-2009, 11:18 AM
I agree amalie. It's been well established that Clark isn't into Chloe like that. Sure he loves her, but as a friend. Chloe was a rebound for him in season 1 (even though back then I wanted the 2 to hook up) and was about to be a rebound again in Zod until Jimmy showed up.
Clark has always valued her friendship and looked out for her when she did things that were against her best interests. We saw this in Dichotic when she was going out with Ian. Clark made it clear in that episode that he wasn't the jealous boyfriend Chloe & Lana made him out to be. We also saw a similar reaction of Clark valuing the friendship when Chloe told him that she wouldn't be able to spend the time with him that she always had once she married Jimmy. It makes sense too since Chloe is the only friend he has left from highschool. He really has no other friends besides her. I wouldn't call Lois a friend especially now that he's falling for her. He needs someone he can talk to that he's not romantically linked with. This is why he opened up more to Chloe than Lana in the early seasons.
Clark definitely realizes the changes in Davis and how he went from someone who had fairly infrequent transformations to someone who can no longer prevent the transformations without Chloe next to him 24/7. He also knows that the next step will be Chloe's presence no longer preventing the transformations. He also knows that just like Pete told Clark in Velocity---that he can't always be on patrol protecting him from Jason Dante---that Chloe can't always be with him 24/7 and that he will turn regardless.
Bizarrolover
05-03-2009, 11:42 AM
The dream is quite clear to me: it means that Clark will die because of her connection to Doomsday.
topping82
05-03-2009, 11:51 AM
While I like your theory about the dream sequence being a direct comparison to the end scene I have to disagree with your analysis of Clark's feelings. He hasn't shown any sign of wanting to 'be with Chloe' for a long time, that song could easily relate to letting go of a friendship, letting Chloe go away with Davis, letting her sacrifice herself etc. All of those interpretations are more plausible than saying "Will he ever let go and admit he has feelings for Chloe?" in my opinion.
As to the dream. I think it was meant to represent Chloe's internal conflict. She is attracted to Davis, whether that's subconscious or not I don't know but I'm leaning towards not. Throughout season 8 we've seen hints of it, she even told Davis she thought she felt something for him when he admitted he loved her. The problem is she also knows he's a killer and a ticking bomb waiting to go off.
Film-making wise, I'm pretty sure the ending is meant to directly relate to the beginning of the episode. It's all choreographed similarly and timed to the song as it was in Chloe's dream.
Whether or not Clark has feelings for Chloe really isn't my main point. I'm sure everyone will interpret Clark's "reaction" differently. So whether or not he loves Chloe is besides the point. He doesn't want to let her go, and the death is the past. Of that I'm convinced. And I agree with some of your reasons. But really I think it does all go back to the past, the "death" of their innocence.
So even if it's a fact Clark doesn't have "feelings" for Chloe, I think Clark still wants Chloe to want him. To be the same loyal girl of their youth. But as we see in the dream, she's trying to pursue a life of "passion," but feels conflicted because of Clark. She isn't completely over him. In the Beauty and the Beast fairy tale (not just the archetype), Beauty is conflicted because of her father. She's afraid to become a woman. It's about a transition period between your youth and your adult life. The beast is the beast all fathers imagine their daughter goes off with as they get older. The "man" has to be a beast.
And actually, my main point kind of agrees with you. I don't think that it is only Chloe's subconscious who's attracted to Davis. Hardly.
I just think Chloe's dream is trying to come to terms with what she's trying to repress during the day. I think she knows she's attracted to Davis, but until she lets Clark go, she will never fully be able to "let go" and pursue a relationship with Davis, a life of passion. Smallville gives Chloe a literal reason to not pursue Davis. AKA because he's Doomsday and he's a Beast. In a way, Chloe sees her own feelings as the real beast. She's afraid to embrace her own sexuality.
These symbols in Beauty and the Beast stories have existed for centuries, and it seems SV embraced these themes pretty blatantly with her dream.
Almost as blatantly as Phantom of the Opera. I think this sequence from the movie pretty closely resembles Chloe's inner feelings:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dp4UqGxOeHk
Here's the lyrics to the song "Point of No Return":
(PHANTOM)
You have come here
in pursuit of
your deepest urge,
in pursuit of
that wish,
which till now
has been silent,
silent . . .
I have brought you,
that our passions
may fuse and merge -
in your mind
you've already
succumbed to me
dropped all defences
completely succumbed to me -
now you are here with me:
no second thoughts,
you've decided,
decided . . .
Past the point
of no return -
no backward glances:
the games we've played
till now are at
an end . . .
Past all thought
of "if" or "when" -
no use resisting:
abandon thought,
and let the dream
descend . . .
What raging fire
shall flood the soul?
What rich desire
unlocks its door?
What sweet seduction
lies before
us . . .?
Past the point
of no return,
the final threshold -
what warm,
unspoken secrets
will we learn?
Beyond the point
of no return . . .
(CHRISTINE)
You have brought me
to that moment
where words run dry,
to that moment
where speech
disappears
into silence,
silence . . .
I have come here,
hardly knowing
the reason why . . .
In my mind,
I've already
imagined our
bodies entwining
defenseless and silent -
and now I am
here with you:
no second thoughts,
I've decided,
decided . . .
Past the point
of no return -
no going back now:
our passion-play
has now, at last,
begun . . .
Past all thought
of right or wrong -
one final question:
how long should we
two wait, before
we're one . . .?
When will the blood
begin to race
the sleeping bud
burst into bloom?
When will the flames,
at last, consume
us . . .?
BOTH
Past the point
of no return
the final threshold -
the bridge
is crossed, so stand
and watch it burn . . .
We've passed the point
of no return . . .
There are many symbols in relation to the rose in Beauty and the Beast stories. But there almost always is a "rose." Think of the song "Kiss from a Rose." The rose is a representation of the Beast's soul on the one hand, but it's also representative of a "blossoming" awareness. The "bud" blossoming is a representation of a sexual awakening, which is APPARENT in Phantom, and extremely hinted at in Chloe's dream. That kiss was certainly not innocent.
I don't think it's a coincidence that she finds a young Clark dead right after she gives into a moment of extreme passion with the "beast," who killed him in her dream.
It reminds me of the scene in Becoming Jane when Tom tells Jane that her "horizons must be widened." Let's just think about what that means, and why Jane was appalled (kind of) with this expression.
Even in North and South, Margaret feels attracted to Thornton, and because of this she has to turn him into a "beast" in her mind. She convinces herself that she hates him, and instead continues to be a loyal caregiver to her father. She's running from a life of passion she isn't ready for yet.
Chloe's doing the same in my opinion.
I enjoy interpreting dreams, so I looked up some of the main symbols used in Chloe's dream for anyone interested in what could have been going on in the mind of Chloe (as the writers could have intended):
Here's the meaning of a rose symbol in a dream:
Most flowers are seen as friendly dream symbols. Roses may have their own special meaning and could represent femininity, beauty, love, or romance. Roses may have some spiritual significance as well. They are used when expressing both positive and negative emotions. They unfold and can be considered symbols of innocence. The color of the rose, as well as the details of the dream should be considered when making interpretation. (E.g. White - purity; red - passion; Pink - romance and love; black - death.)
I personally think Chloe is trying to come to terms with her hidden desire to embrace "passion" and let go of her "innocence."
Just because Chloe is technically not a virgin, does not mean she has actually embraced her own sexuality yet.
In my mind, whether or not Chloe has "killed" her past, her innocence, by the end of the episode, as she tries to in her dream, is left to be ambiguous. But I do think she was trying.
Here's what another writer has to say about roses in dreams:
Dreaming of a symbol such as a rose, may be a very spiritual dream - one that provides the dreamer with a glimpse of her soul or the infinite. Jung called dreams of this nature, "Great Dreams" - dreams with complex mythological or archetypal imagery....
Roses in waking life have a special significance and that significance extends to dream life as well. Red roses are associated with love, beauty, passion, and romance. White roses are usually associate with purity. The purity it symbolizes may be a spiritual purity; a return to a state of innocence.
Chloe dreams of red, not white. I think she's doing the reverse. Instead of returning to innocence, she's losing it, but not necessarily in a bad way. I think she's trying to let go of her innocence. It's kind of like how in the movie The Village, the color red is the "bad color." When Ivy, the main character, loses her innocence because the man she loves was stabbed, she's covered in his blood, the bad color. Red in the film represents sin, murder, love, passion, sorrow, the loss of innocence, etc...The villagers run away from having to experience these things and "hide" them. But ultimately you can't hide from sorrow, passion or even sin.
Chloe starts to lose her innocence even more blatantly back in Stiletto when we see a shot of Chloe's hands covered in blood.
Here's some more dream symbols (I love dream interpretation), some key words from Chloe's dream:
Basement:
The unconscious ready to be seen.
Chloe seeing her inner desires and fears.
Monster:
Horror and disgust. Threat. Fear of something.
(Fear of the death of Clark as well as the fear to pursue a life of passion perhaps);
Another dream dictionary says this:
To dream that you are chased or followed by a monster, represents aspects of yourself that you find repulsive and ugly. You may possess some fears or some repressed emotions. Try to confront the monster in your dream and figure out who or what aspect of yourself the monster represents.
Again I think Davis is a representation of her own desires. She's repressing her feelings for him because she's afraid to let go of her youth, her innocence. She finds her own attraction to a "beast" to be repulsive in a way. But that is what she wants. Just my own interpretation! But the roses and the death of a youthful Clark all seem to point to this loss of innocence (partly in a sexual way).
Bedroom:
Changes in own affairs. Concealment of family secrets.
Hair:
Attraction and sensuality.
Chloe has her hair all curled up in the dream.
Open (when Chloe opens the door to the basement):
Entrance and exit. Exposed. Opportunity. Potential. Ready to make a choice.
Door:
Access. Ready to enter or something to keep private. Happiness and long life.
Stairs:
Up or down. Aspirations; Looking to get to certain point against all opposition.
Wall (when Chloe pushes Davis up against it; not to mention the Casa Bronte movie poster in the center of it):
Defense. Protection. Seeking privacy and security.
Kissing:
Affection. Joy. Coming success. Wish to be close to someone.
Does Chloe "wish" to be with Davis?
Old (the basement is set up to be old-fashioned with vintage posters, movie seats, popcorn, not to mention the "old" representation of a young Clark):
Long time. Mature. Sensible. Former times. Something could be completed or ready to be replaced.
Film:
A means of distancing from events. Observation of own life.
If you pay attention the movie posters represent Chloe's own life. The posters foreshadow everything that's going. They are an observation of Chloe's existence. You have the Case Bronte: A Love Story poster which is supposed to remind us of her story with Davis. We have the Road Trip poster which is foreshadowing that Chloe and Davis are going on a road trip. We have the Zytron movie poster which talks about the clock ticking. In other words, time is running out. VERY interesting.
It reminds me of what a dream dictionary has to say about Road Signs (which happens to be similar to the title of one of the movies):
To see road signs in your dream, represent advice and messages that your unconscious is trying to convey. Consider what the road sign is saying and how you need to apply its message to an aspect of your daily life.
Is Chloe's mind trying to tell her that she sees herself as being in the middle of a love story with Davis? Is she thinking about leaving Smallville with Davis? Is she afraid time is running out?
Blood:
Essence. Life energy. Unfortunate love affairs. Severe disappointment.
It seems Chloe's love affair is going to have a tragic end this season. She knows this deep down. Will it have a happier end next season? Who knows.
Candle:
Illumination. Search for something.
What is Chloe searching for? I think personally that she's searching within herself to come to terms with the conflict between her past and her present. In other words Clark and Davis. Her future as a woman, and her past as a girl.
Dark:
Mystery. The unknown and unformed. A place of fear or of potential. Difficulties ahead.
The dark corner Chloe finds Clark in is both a place of fear and of potential. She fears losing Clark, not even just in the literal sense of the word, but she also fears letting go of the feelings she's had for him for so many years. But the symbolic death of Clark could also give her a potential love life with Davis. It's showing her two-sided conflict. She wants to be with Davis, but at the same time she doesn't know if she can let go of Clark. So she has "Davis" let go of him for her because she can't do it herself.
Here's what a dream dictionary says about murder:
To dream that you witness a murder, indicates deep-seated anger towards somebody. Consider how the victim represents aspects of yourself that you want to destroy or eliminate.
Again, Chloe is trying to "kill" her past, her youth (which Clark represents) so she can embrace a life of passion. Something she's been hiding from. She's literally "hiding" passion (Davis) in the basement.
This one I just love:
Robe: To see or wear a robe in your dream, signifies personal issues that you need to confront. The dream may also refer to your secret desire to let loose.
Chloe wears a robe and then she definitely lets loose!!! :D
Romance:
To dream of romance, suggests that you need to be more affectionate in your waking life. Perhaps you are longing for more romance in your personal relationship.
Enough said. :)
Back to roses:
To see roses blooming (Davis' name anyone? LOL) in your dream, signifies faithfulness in love and the arrival of a much joyous occasion. Roses also symbolize love, passion, desire, femininity, unity, and romance, particularly if they are red roses. If you see a white rose, then it symbolizes virginity, pureness, and secrecy. It you see a yellow rose, then it refers to infidelity or jealousy. According to Freud, the rose represents the female genitalia.
To smell roses in your dream, denotes unimaginable happiness and pleasure. Perhaps, the dream is telling you that you need to slow down and smell the roses or else you will miss out on some opportunity or event in your life.
Back to basement:
To dream that you are in a basement, symbolizes your unconscious mind and intuition. The appearance of the basement is an indication of your unconscious state of mind and level of satisfaction. It represents primal urges, animalistic desires and basic needs.
Back to bed (where Chloe is in the beginning of her dream, wearing a VERY interesting nightgown for someone going to bed alone ;):
To see your bed in your dream, represents your intimate self and discovery of your sexuality. If you are sleeping in your own bed, then it denotes security and restoration of your mind. You may be looking for domestic bliss, for peace or for some form of escape...Consider the condition of the bed. If the bed is made, then it symbolizes security. If the bed is unmade, then it indicates that certain secrets will soon be exposed or revealed.
Very interesting. Is Chloe discovering her own sexuality? Will she only allow herself to give in to her passions in her dreams?
Blood:
To see blood in your dream, represents life, love, and passion as well as disappointments.
Well anyway, I could go on with all the possible symbols in this dream. No doubt everything was set up perfectly, down to what is written on the movie posters. They thought this dream out, that's for sure.
On a side note, I just think it's ironic that in a Beauty and the Beast type story, they have the "Beast's character's last name be "Bloome," which invokes imagery of a rose "blooming." And the rose is almost always a part of Beauty/Beast type stories.
In conclusion, I really think (beyond all the whether or not Clark has feelings for Chloe), that Chloe's dream is about her own desires that she's been repressing. I think she allows Davis to kill Clark in her dream, because she is trying to "kill" her past. No doubt, this dream was a passionate one and very much tells us that Chloe does have feelings for Davis.
BackToTheLies
05-03-2009, 12:30 PM
I think the most revealing part of the dream was Davis' line about how they met (in the middle of the accident and how it seemed like they were the only two people there). Remember that is all coming from Chloe's subconcious so it shows just where the attraction started on her end and just how screwed her relation with Jimmy was.
vikingjedi
05-03-2009, 12:33 PM
The problem is that she is no longer on Clark's side. If anything, she set the ball in motion for this very thing to happen by what she did in Beast. The problem is that by doubting Clark's decision, she stepped away from being on his side. She knew she was way over her head, and what kills me is that Clark was about to help not only her & himself but Earth as a whole by sending Davis to the Zone.
The sad thing is Chloe fans only have the writers, Chloe & Davis to blame if this happens.
Maybe Chloe does have some feelings for Davis, being a Chlark supporter I kind of didn't want to see that. But ultimately I think Chloe was telling Clark the truth when she said that she didn't want Clark to send Davis to the PZ because there would be a good chance Clark would be sucked into it too and she didn't want Clark to risk his life like that.
I wont defend Chloe lying to Clark, but at the same time Clark did end up agreeing with her when she said sending Davis to the PZ was wrong or else he wouldn't have let her just TP away with Davis.
topping82
05-03-2009, 01:29 PM
I think the most revealing part of the dream was Davis' line about how they met (in the middle of the accident and how it seemed like they were the only two people there). Remember that is all coming from Chloe's subconcious so it shows just where the attraction started on her end and just how screwed her relation with Jimmy was.
Exactly. The dialogue between her and Davis were coming from her own subconscious and how she felt inside.
Lilah
05-03-2009, 01:36 PM
It means that bad things are going to happen because of her lust for Davis/Doomsday... his line "how did you think this would end?" gives it away.... And Oliver repeating that line at the end of the episode wasn't coincidence...
rehana/chole
05-03-2009, 02:29 PM
hey something 2 thing abt the writer r morans. let reveiw. in infamous chole is scared n waren clark abt dd. in turablance she all for beliven davis he good again ( timle chanage mayb) hex was best ep of eason no complain. eternal she killing davis , in stilito she helpin him,in beast he need her, in injustic she turn on him an wants him dead in doomsday she look like she want 2 help him so the writer just keep bring chole character back n fort one min she good nex she nuty next she like him nex she dont i thing they canot realy writer or there good at geting us too wounder wat d hell gone happen 2 CHOLE SULLIVAN cause she there wild card i hope they play her well an win d game cause one false move an they can lose alot of fan
Brain WT
05-03-2009, 03:06 PM
I think that she is attracted to him but I for some reason I see her dying in the season finale not sure why but I think that will happen even though I hope it doesn't happen.
Exedore
05-03-2009, 04:57 PM
Considering they've been saving up the budget for the finale, which they've been constantly teasing us as a big action-packed episode, I won't be satisfied unless there's blood and gore, death and destruction everywhere. Buildings and streets decimated. Cars and trucks flying through the air and exploding spectacularly all over Metropolis. People crushed to death, ripped apart, torn limb from limb. Yes even Clark should be subjected to the same gruesome fate if he is supposed to die in the finale. Then introduce the Eradicator in S9 (about time I say!) to resurrect him. :D
This is why think the Superman/Doomsday story is only suitable for a big budget motion picture, not a low-budget tv series. :|
Well I'd compromise on the "cars and trucks flying through the air and exploding" bit considering their severe budget woes. But the rest has to happen. ;)
Of course, I'm expecting to be sorely disappointed with perhaps a 2-3 minute fight between DD and Clark at most. :/
jpfort1957
05-04-2009, 08:20 AM
The scene might have had more impact if Chloe would have found her own body ripped in half..............then she would have been thinking PHANTOM ZONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rej@ne
05-04-2009, 08:57 AM
[QUOTE=Exedore;4799672 Yes even Clark should be subjected to the same gruesome fate if he is supposed to die in the finale. Then introduce the Eradicator in S9 (about time I say!) to resurrect him. :D
I read almost you all saying that Doomsday´s destiny to kill Clark... how come? And what abt this Eradicator? Is he gonna help to bring CK back to life indeed? Who is he, afterall?
I don´t follow the comics and I´m dying to know what happened after Doomsday kills Superman in the comics. Can anyone help me with that? Thanks!
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