Sending Doomsday to the PZ isn't a possibility

[vikingjedi]

Doomsday is just as strong (if not stronger) than Clark is. You think he's just going to let Clark put him in the PZ and never see Chloe again? Thats not going to happen. At the very least Doomsday would take Clark with him and then it would be the phantoms plus Doomsday vs. Clark by himself. Clark wouldn't stand a chance, he would be dead within a day.

Thats why Chloe told Clark not to do it. It would be the same thing as Clark dying. She had to pretend to tell Clark it was to save Davis "so he wouldn't be alone" because she couldn't just come out and tell the truth that she was doing this to save Clark. Davis would go crazy if he found out all of this was a lie and Chloe didn't really care about him like that.

[BadToad]

Or, Chloe could've come up with a plan, working WITH Clark, helping to lull Davis into a false sense of security, and greatly tilting the odds in Clark's favor that he could send Davis into the Phantom Zone, and not end up getting trapped there himself.

That would've been one option.

But really, its inspiring how Chloe automatically assumes Clark can't do it, and he will fail. Its that kind of faith that will take Clark far as a hero :rolleyes:

Honestly, if Chloe thinks Clark isn't capable of taking care of huge threats, like Davis, than how can she really believe that he's this hero that the world needs. Apparently he can only be that if she, and others, are always doing the "dirty work" behind the scenes.

What a great way to tell a young Superman story.

[vikingjedi]

Or, Chloe could've come up with a plan, working WITH Clark, helping to lull Davis into a false sense of security, and greatly tilting the odds in Clark's favor that he could send Davis into the Phantom Zone, and not end up getting trapped there himself.

That would've been one option.

But really, its inspiring how Chloe automatically assumes Clark can't do it, and he will fail. Its that kind of faith that will take Clark far as a hero :rolleyes:

Honestly, if Chloe thinks Clark isn't capable of taking care of huge threats, like Davis, than how can she really believe that he's this hero that the world needs. Apparently he can only be that if she, and others, are always doing the "dirty work" behind the scenes.

What a great way to tell a young Superman story.

If Chloe hadn't taken Davis in like she did then Clark would probably be dead right now. She basically had a few seconds to make a life or death decision. She couldn't tell Clark because he wouldn't approve of her hiding him. There would be an immediate confrontation and Clark would probably die. Afterall doesn't Doomsday know Clark's weakness? If he gets a hold of some kryptonite Clark won't even be able to fight.

The odds are definitely in Doomsday's favor right now and Chloe knows that.

[dokken-fan]

You both made your points but sadly only one of you is right, and judging for the way writers wants to "fix" everything at the end. I'm sure they are walking the path of a martir chloe. "oh clark I did it for you, because I love you, and I'm sure you can not do it by yourself because you are such a goody person:p"

It's weird to find out that the ever snappy chloe, who always have something intelectual to say, couldn't come with a plan which involved clark:mad:

[|Xander|]

If both clark and doomsday were trapped in the phantom zone, I think the phantoms would gang up on doomsday because they see him as an actual threat. It could possibly even give clark time to escape. Doomsday could do a lot of cleaning up in the PZ. Maybe it's win/win.

[Supsfan]

Davis wasn't in full form Doomsday form yet though, so advantage Clark

[susangail]

There's no evidence that DD would lose his powers in the Phantom Zone. He could very much clean house. I, too, would have liked to see Chloe work with Clark on a way to rid the earth of DD that did not involve killing him. Sadly, Chloe still believes she can keep DD under wraps. She'll probably pay for that miscalculation with her life.

[dokken-fan]

The real deal here is that chloe should have gone to clark the exact moment when davis came back, and start formulating a plan like BAdToad said!!!!

[paolinki25]

Or, Chloe could've come up with a plan, working WITH Clark, helping to lull Davis into a false sense of security, and greatly tilting the odds in Clark's favor that he could send Davis into the Phantom Zone, and not end up getting trapped there himself.

That would've been one option.

But really, its inspiring how Chloe automatically assumes Clark can't do it, and he will fail. Its that kind of faith that will take Clark far as a hero :rolleyes:

I agree. I think Chloe rushed into believing this was the one and ONLY option. I'm sorry, but this sickening "Davis is good" bs annoyed me to no end. They could've worked something out TOGETHER as they have always done.

[xrayvision]

Doomsday is just as strong (if not stronger) than Clark is. You think he's just going to let Clark put him in the PZ and never see Chloe again? Thats not going to happen. At the very least Doomsday would take Clark with him and then it would be the phantoms plus Doomsday vs. Clark by himself. Clark wouldn't stand a chance, he would be dead within a day.

Thats why Chloe told Clark not to do it. It would be the same thing as Clark dying. She had to pretend to tell Clark it was to save Davis "so he wouldn't be alone" because she couldn't just come out and tell the truth that she was doing this to save Clark. Davis would go crazy if he found out all of this was a lie and Chloe didn't really care about him like that.

I don't agree. Davis in his Davis form has always seemed weaker than Clark to me. Clark had the portal open and could have sent him to the Zone rather quickly like he did to Aethyr & Nam-Ek, who were just as strong as he was, let alone there were 2 of them vs. 1 of him.

In the Zone, I doubt Davis would turn into Doomsday. All beings with powers have been powerless in there no matter what their power was. I would liked to have seen a Phantom Zone battle between Clark & Davis before we get the Clark-Doomsday one that's coming up. Last time Clark was in the Zone, the only prisoner they ran into was Faora. Chloe was never in the Zone to experience it. Clark has definitely gained experience in the Zone and is a lot more confident going there now than he was the first time. He knows what to expect & how to escape now.

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Or, Chloe could've come up with a plan, working WITH Clark, helping to lull Davis into a false sense of security, and greatly tilting the odds in Clark's favor that he could send Davis into the Phantom Zone, and not end up getting trapped there himself.

That would've been one option.

But really, its inspiring how Chloe automatically assumes Clark can't do it, and he will fail. Its that kind of faith that will take Clark far as a hero :rolleyes:

Honestly, if Chloe thinks Clark isn't capable of taking care of huge threats, like Davis, than how can she really believe that he's this hero that the world needs. Apparently he can only be that if she, and others, are always doing the "dirty work" behind the scenes.

What a great way to tell a young Superman story.

As usual, I agree BadToad. Chloe has no business making decisions on Kryptonian affairs like Davis. Clark should send her to the Phantom Zone for that, though we know he would never do that. She just put the world at an incredibly high level of danger as she did when she was power hungry with Brainiac's presence in her. That's 2 strikes against her.

[BadToad]

If Chloe hadn't taken Davis in like she did then Clark would probably be dead right now.

Or not. I keep hearing how Chloe has all this faith and belief in Clark, but apparently not all that much if she thinks he can't take care of himself.

If Chloe had told Clark from the start, maybe by her and Clark putting their heads together, they could've come up with a better plan than "I'll just stay with him forever, and you just feel completely guilty for my choices, and spend all of your time looking for me, m'kay". How is this a better choice?


Afterall doesn't Doomsday know Clark's weakness? If he gets a hold of some kryptonite Clark won't even be able to fight.

Well, he does now, since he and Chloe devised the kryptonite shower. But I don't really see Doomsday as a strategic planning sort of monster. I doubt he'd go find a meteor rock, when he can just doom out and SMASH! It would be a physical confrontation.


The odds are definitely in Doomsday's favor right now and Chloe knows that.

Well gosh, how will our young Superman ever survive if other people don't keep deciding that he can't take care of himself, and can't win any fights with a serious foe?

[xrayvision]

If Chloe hadn't taken Davis in like she did then Clark would probably be dead right now. She basically had a few seconds to make a life or death decision. She couldn't tell Clark because he wouldn't approve of her hiding him. There would be an immediate confrontation and Clark would probably die. Afterall doesn't Doomsday know Clark's weakness? If he gets a hold of some kryptonite Clark won't even be able to fight.

The odds are definitely in Doomsday's favor right now and Chloe knows that.

Chloe could have told him what she was doing. This is the one thing Oliver was right about. Nobody forced her to do what she did. She is not a martyr no matter how much crying & bellyaching she does to make it look like she had no other choice. She could have told Clark that Davis returned and let Clark take care of it. The end result would have been the fight taking place at an earlier time than it will turn out to take place. Or better yet, Clark & Chloe could have fooled him to the Fortress & trapped him in the Zone. Now there's no chance of that happening until after the fight and all the deaths that will happen as a result.

[ginevrakent]

ITA with everything BadToad said.


If Chloe hadn't taken Davis in like she did then Clark would probably be dead right now. She basically had a few seconds to make a life or death decision.

How do we know this? How come Chloe couldn't have been playing the part she is playing right now with Davis for a few weeks as she, Clark, and the JL come up with some master plot?


She couldn't tell Clark because he wouldn't approve of her hiding him. There would be an immediate confrontation and Clark would probably die. Afterall doesn't Doomsday know Clark's weakness? If he gets a hold of some kryptonite Clark won't even be able to fight.

And why would Clark not approve? Because what she is doing is misguided and it is on his behalf when he should be the one who is aware of things which affect him and making decisions about them? How can he ever trust himself to take care of threats if Chloe continually acts like a parent who won't let go of the proverbial bike?

Clark doesn't need training wheels, he can make his own life and death decisions and he can deal with the consequences if his decisions aren't the best ones. However, Chloe not even allowing Clark to be an active participant in his own life and his own heroic destiny was wrong ,and will, I think, ultimately lead to more harm than good.

Furthermore, you seem to be excusing this all on a lot of hypotheticals assuming that Clark would of course die if he confronted Doomsday. How do we know if that would have happened, especially given that there was no kryptonite in the Fortress?

Better yet, we all know that it WILL happen (Superman v. Doomsday), so from an audience member's perspective Chloe looks misguided and Clark looks like the one with the right idea. That's not to say that I cannot appreciate the situation from Chloe's perspective, but even from her vantage point I can't understand why she has put Clark in the position that she has all for a scheme that she cannot keep up long term. As both Davis and Ollie said to Chloe, "How did you think this was going to end?"

I don't understand. In Toxic, Chloe explains how she would always follow Clark's wishes. Through her actions these past few weeks, I have seen someone with divided loyalties who has forgotten to uphold the values she used to hold dear all because she thinks she knows what's best when in reality she really has no clue.

[Exedore]

I think what TPTB intended to do was to deal with the ethics of permanently exiling someone to what is essentially hell (i.e. should Davis be punished for something that is beyond his control and so on and so forth). That's what they were going for with this whole "DD has a human side" thing (essentially an evil version of the Hulk scenario). Unfortunately their writing has not exactly been "stellar". All they can do is more of the "leading lady falls for the villain" approach. So what could have been a thought-provoking episode ended up being stupid. :rolleyes:

[xrayvision]

If both clark and doomsday were trapped in the phantom zone, I think the phantoms would gang up on doomsday because they see him as an actual threat. It could possibly even give clark time to escape. Doomsday could do a lot of cleaning up in the PZ. Maybe it's win/win.

I just don't think Davis would be Doomsday in the Zone. If he would, he would be a powerless Doomsday. He would have the bony protrusions but regular strength, speed, etc. As for resurrection powers, I'm not sure. He may be able to resurrect himself, or he could stay dead until his body was dragged out of the Zone, where he would revive.

[Exedore]

I just don't think Davis would be Doomsday in the Zone. If he would, he would be a powerless Doomsday. He would have the bony protrusions but regular strength, speed, etc. As for resurrection powers, I'm not sure. He may be able to resurrect himself, or he could stay dead until his body was dragged out of the Zone, where he would revive.

Yes, I don't think he would have any powers at all in the PZ. That's the way the PZ has been portrayed so far. He would either be just be Davis or a depowered Doomsday. What we don't know is how exactly death works in SV's PZ. :\

[xrayvision]

There's no evidence that DD would lose his powers in the Phantom Zone. He could very much clean house. I, too, would have liked to see Chloe work with Clark on a way to rid the earth of DD that did not involve killing him. Sadly, Chloe still believes she can keep DD under wraps. She'll probably pay for that miscalculation with her life.

Davis is a Kryptonian. Doomsday is also a prehistoric/ancient Kryptonian beast. We have seen Kryptonian & non-Kryptonian beings in the Zone, and none of them had powers. The only ones who did were the phantoms (who could only fly around), but those are the spirits of dead prisoners. Based on this, I'd say Davis and/or Doomsday would be like any other Kryptonian in there. He may be able to resurrect himself, but if he could do that, he wouldn't have other powers until exiting the Zone. Then again, his resurrection powers could also be null & void in there, meaning his dead body would have to be dragged out of a portal for him to come back to life.

[smallvillereporter27]

As much fun as this debate is, there really is no point. Yeah, maybe trapping Davis in the PZ wouldn't have worked or maybe if Chloe wasn't around to stop Daivs Clark would be dead or maybe Chloe could have consulted Clark. Frankly, what's done is done. Theres a reason it happened like this and we'll just have to wait and see.

[xrayvision]

I think what TPTB intended to do was to deal with the ethics of permanently exiling someone to what is essentially hell (i.e. should Davis be punished for something that is beyond his control and so on and so forth). That's what they were going for with this whole "DD has a human side" thing (essentially an evil version of the Hulk scenario). Unfortunately their writing has not exactly been "stellar". All they can do is more of the "leading lady falls for the villain" approach. So what could have been a thought-provoking episode ended up being stupid. :rolleyes:

If this is true, then they just made Jor-El the most ruthless & cruel person who ever lived and proved that Brainiac was right in Solitude.

The problem of SV's Phantom Zone, as cool as it is, is that prisoners can kill each other inside it. In the comics, the Zone is a realm where beings exist pretty much as forms who can't affect anything or anyone and can't even kill each other. It's not hell. It's a place where they can't harm or be harmed. It's the most humane prison there is. Since SV's Zone isn't like this, it creates problems of being like hell, which is not true. As bad as it is, it's nothing like hell as Supernatural portrayed. If it was like hell, then why would Jor-El put Raya in the Zone?

Chloe has no experience or knowledge with/about any of these things, which is why she wasn't in a position to make any decisions on Davis' fate.

[susangail]

Davis is a Kryptonian. Doomsday is also a prehistoric/ancient Kryptonian beast. We have seen Kryptonian & non-Kryptonian beings in the Zone, and none of them had powers. The only ones who did were the phantoms (who could only fly around), but those are the spirits of dead prisoners. Based on this, I'd say Davis and/or Doomsday would be like any other Kryptonian in there. He may be able to resurrect himself, but if he could do that, he wouldn't have other powers until exiting the Zone. Then again, his resurrection powers could also be null & void in there, meaning his dead body would have to be dragged out of a portal for him to come back to life.

Davis is a genetically engineered being. The Kryptonian portion of his genome comes from Zod and his wife, and his powers are definitely inferior to Clark's. Who knows where his mutational power comes from or whether the PZ can neutralize it? In the comics, DD pounds his way out eventually.

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As much fun as this debate is, there really is no point. Yeah, maybe trapping Davis in the PZ wouldn't have worked or maybe if Chloe wasn't around to stop Daivs Clark would be dead or maybe Chloe could have consulted Clark. Frankly, what's done is done. Theres a reason it happened like this and we'll just have to wait and see.

Yup. But it's so much fun to speculate ;)

[ginevrakent]

I think what TPTB intended to do was to deal with the ethics of permanently exiling someone to what is essentially hell (i.e. should Davis be punished for something that is beyond his control and so on and so forth). That's what they were going for with this whole "DD has a human side" thing (essentially an evil version of the Hulk scenario). Unfortunately their writing has not exactly been "stellar". All they can do is more of the "leading lady falls for the villain" approach. So what could have been a thought-provoking episode ended up being stupid. :rolleyes:

I do think the writing has been very stupid and I am seriously questioning the ethical and moral compasses of Smallville's showrunners at this point. If we are to have a show about Superman, it would be nice to have showrunners who understand and abide by the values he represents.

As for the ethical nature of sentencing Davis to the Phantom Zone, all I have to say is that Davis is no innocent. He has stolen medication, drugged Jimmy and ruined his marriage, almost killed Oliver, etc. Even as a child, Davis' true nature was revealed in his murder of the dearly departed Feathers. It is tragic that Davis wants to resist becoming a beast, but what's even more tragic is that when given a way to do what was right and noble and truly show his mettle, Davis selfishly wanted to remain on Earth instead of go to the Phantom Zone. Even Clark tells Davis that if he really cared about Chloe he would leave her alone and go to the Phantom Zone.

Is it a sad fate, a hellish fate? Yes. However, Kara was an innocent Kryptonian who chose to remain in the Phantom Zone in order to protect others. She was a true hero. Davis should have been convinced to follow a similar course, and Chloe should have done what Kara did in Bloodline who, when presented with the dilemma of all three of them--Lois, Clark, and herself being trapped in the PZ--decided to listen to Clark and do what he asked which was to trust that he could guard the gate so Lois could return to Earth. Also, when he pleaded with her to grab his hand so that she did not rot away in a hell she didn't deserve to be in she reached out and was saved from that horrific fate.

Now Chloe is in her own hell on Earth, and has put the burden of that fate on Clark's shoulders all because she wouldn't trust in her hero and because of her misguided infatuation with Davis, or at the very least, her infatuation with the idea that she can "save him."

[susangail]

Interesting debate; some version of it was argued successfully with respect to TB patients before the existence of antibiotics. TB victims in the US were permanently quarantined to sanitoriums for public health reasons. Typhoid Mary was an interesting case; a healthy typhoid-fever carrier, she refused house arrest, so officials imprisoned her on an island in New York harbor. That got mixed press, because people felt bad for her, but there was no denying how dangerous she was.

[SnowBird]

I thought the reason Clark didn't have powers in the PZ was because there is no yellow sun.

I didn't think Davis turned into Doomsday because he was on earth with a yellow sun. He would be Doomsday no matter what planet he was on. With that thought in mind, Davis would turn into Doomsday in the Phantom Zone, imo.

Another thing about Doomsday having powers. He is a killing machine with natural strength so what powers are people talking about?

[ginevrakent]

Interesting debate; some version of it was argued successfully with respect to TB patients before the existence of antibiotics. TB victims in the US were permanently quarantined to sanitoriums for public health reasons. Typhoid Mary was an interesting case; a healthy typhoid-fever carrier, she refused house arrest, so officials imprisoned her on an island in New York harbor. That got mixed press, because people felt bad for her, but there was no denying how dangerous she was.

Thanks for sharing this. As someone who considers herself a history buff, it always gives me a thrill to see how it can be used to enhance our understanding.

[susangail]

Thanks, Libby :) The parallel struck me during the episode as well: the whole "he doesn't deserve exile" thing.

[vikingjedi]

Chloe could have told him what she was doing. This is the one thing Oliver was right about. Nobody forced her to do what she did. She is not a martyr no matter how much crying & bellyaching she does to make it look like she had no other choice. She could have told Clark that Davis returned and let Clark take care of it. The end result would have been the fight taking place at an earlier time than it will turn out to take place. Or better yet, Clark & Chloe could have fooled him to the Fortress & trapped him in the Zone. Now there's no chance of that happening until after the fight and all the deaths that will happen as a result.

If Chloe had told Clark in the beginning I think his response would be the same it was in this episode, to confront Doomsday immediately. With Chloe out of the picture Davis would then turn into Doomsday and it would be a fight to the death.

Im thinking after Davis told Chloe that he's immune to Kryptonite now she concluded that Clark has little chance against him. At the very least the deck is stacked against Clark. After all Doomsday is supposed to be the ultimate destroyer and Clark is against killing.

Her only course of action was to stay with Doomsday and stall him until she could figure out a way to stop him. What she found out is that there is no other way.

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Or not. I keep hearing how Chloe has all this faith and belief in Clark, but apparently not all that much if she thinks he can't take care of himself.

If Chloe had told Clark from the start, maybe by her and Clark putting their heads together, they could've come up with a better plan than "I'll just stay with him forever, and you just feel completely guilty for my choices, and spend all of your time looking for me, m'kay". How is this a better choice?

Taking care of himself and defeating Superman's greatest challenge before he has even gone through any training are two completely different things.

What we found out is that there is no other plan to stop Doomsday. Clark is going to have to kill him, thats all there is to it. Oliver said that straight up. At least Chloe stalled him and tried to find a way to stop him instead of just letting them go at it and putting Clark in harm's way.



Well, he does now, since he and Chloe devised the kryptonite shower. But I don't really see Doomsday as a strategic planning sort of monster. I doubt he'd go find a meteor rock, when he can just doom out and SMASH! It would be a physical confrontation.

I don't know, remember what Davis did hiding everything for so long. He's not stupid. He's cold and calculating.



Well gosh, how will our young Superman ever survive if other people don't keep deciding that he can't take care of himself, and can't win any fights with a serious foe?

Honestly I don't think Clark is ready to fight Doomsday yet. He doesn't know how to fly, he hasn't gone through his training, and he still says he won't kill DD. He's at a huge disadvantage and I don't think he understands exactly what he's up against yet. DD makes Lex look like Barney the Dinosaur.

[ginevrakent]

If Chloe had told Clark in the beginning I think his response would be the same it was in this episode, to confront Doomsday immediately. With Chloe out of the picture Davis would then turn into Doomsday and it would be a fight to the death.

Clark's response in Beast was not to "confront" Davis. His response was to encourage Davis to be a true hero and willingly accept his fate as a prisoner of the Phantom Zone. Davis acted selfishly and Chloe acted foolishly so now Clark will have to fight Doomsday to his death only because Doomsday can't die he can only be imprisoned in the Phantom Zone.


Im thinking after Davis told Chloe that he's immune to Kryptonite now she concluded that Clark has little chance against him. At the very least the deck is stacked against Clark. After all Doomsday is supposed to be the ultimate destroyer and Clark is against killing.

Exactly. Clark is against killing (even though he can't kill Davis/Doomsday if he wanted to) so he did the only sensible thing to do: send Davis to the Phantom Zone.


Her only course of action was to stay with Doomsday and stall him until she could figure out a way to stop him. What she found out is that there is no other way.

Well, there was the Phantom Zone. I hope you are seeing the pattern here. Chloe could have convinced Davis to go for her sake. Davis stopped killing Jimmy because he means something to Chloe. Surely if Chloe had told Davis that she needed him to do this, he would have relented. At the very least, Chloe could have devised a plan with Clark to trap Davis and force him into the PZ.


What we found out is that there is no other plan to stop Doomsday. Clark is going to have to kill him, thats all there is to it. Oliver said that straight up. At least Chloe stalled him and tried to find a way to stop him instead of just letting them go at it and putting Clark in harm's way.

Clark is not going to have to kill him. Clark is going to be killed by him or he will have to send Davis to the Phantom Zone like he planned to all along because Doomsday CANNOT BE KILLED. Chloe just delayed the inevitable and has put Clark and humanity in more danger.


Honestly I don't think Clark is ready to fight Doomsday yet. He doesn't know how to fly, he hasn't gone through his training, and he still says he won't kill DD. He's at a huge disadvantage and I don't think he understands exactly what he's up against yet. DD makes Lex look like Barney the Dinosaur.

I don't think Clark is ready to fight Doomsday either, which is why it was such a good plan to put Davis in the Phantom Zone.

[Exedore]

If this is true, then they just made Jor-El the most ruthless & cruel person who ever lived and proved that Brainiac was right in Solitude.

When it comes to SV's Jor El all I can say is this:

http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/cookie-monster-wtf-is-this.jpg?w=324&h=314



The problem of SV's Phantom Zone, as cool as it is, is that prisoners can kill each other inside it. In the comics, the Zone is a realm where beings exist pretty much as forms who can't affect anything or anyone and can't even kill each other. It's not hell. It's a place where they can't harm or be harmed. It's the most humane prison there is. Since SV's Zone isn't like this, it creates problems of being like hell, which is not true. As bad as it is, it's nothing like hell as Supernatural portrayed. If it was like hell, then why would Jor-El put Raya in the Zone?

Chloe has no experience or knowledge with/about any of these things, which is why she wasn't in a position to make any decisions on Davis' fate.


I agree that SV's PZ is nothing like the comics. Here it really is a hellish place. If you ask me, they should have used a variant of the Survival Zone (perhaps reimagined as a "humane" section of SV's otherwise hellish PZ) for Raya. Raya would have had to come out of the SZ to rescue Clark back in S6. Or something like that anyway. As it stands now, it's yet another eccentricity of SV's peculiar Jor El. :\

Chloe's actions and Clark's inaction (in the FOS when Chloe showed up) was remarkably stupid IMHO. They had all the ingredients for an excellent story dealing with moral issues as well as the potential to give us some long overdue action and we end up with more soap opera nonsense. Hard to believe this is the same show that gave us Talisman where we had Lex and his remarkable reinterpretation of Sageeth from his POV. Now we have Davis grunting: "Don't make me angry...you wouldn't like me when I am angry". :\

[Vergon6]

We don't know for sure that all of the prisoners lost their powers, only that regular Kryptonians lose their powers in there. I still maintain that putting Davis in the Phantom Zone would be dangerous. Even if he was killed, he would keep on coming back stronger and stronger, to the point where he evolves to no longer need the Davis camouflage. Then he will massacre all the prisoners that aren't phantoms in the Phantom Zone. Then Clark can be blamed by proxy for Doomsday committing mass murder :p.

[Sarevokcz]

even if he did have his powers, sending him to PZ, where he could kill few people, who are known as worst gangsters in god knows how many galaxies is WAYYYY better than letting him live on Earth where are bilions of people without any way to protect themselves form him and where is no guarantee Chloe will be able to stop him from morphing.

PZ was the best shot, thankfully to Davis selfishness and Chloes playing the Hero of the story, Davis is still out there as a very dangerous threat to all humanity. thanks Chloe, good job!

[xrayvision]

Davis is a genetically engineered being. The Kryptonian portion of his genome comes from Zod and his wife, and his powers are definitely inferior to Clark's. Who knows where his mutational power comes from or whether the PZ can neutralize it? In the comics, DD pounds his way out eventually.

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Yup. But it's so much fun to speculate ;)

In the comics, Doomsday was created through hundreds of rounds of cloning by a scientist named Bertron back when creatures of Doomsday's race dominated Krypton. He took a creature that died and cloned it to withstand what killed it previously. He then released it and it was killed by something else. He took the DNA of that next creature and cloned it again to create a newer version of it that could withstand what killed its predecessor. Eventually he did this so many times that the final clone of the creature could not stay dead. It wiped out all the creatures of its kind, which is what allowed the humanoid Kryptonians to dominate the planet. Doomsday (the final clone) killed Bertron & escaped to a supply ship & murdered his way on every planet he went on.

Anyway, we were told in Bloodline that Davis is a culmination of the most powerful life forms of Krypton. At the minimum, it's apparent that Zod & Faora spliced their genes with the creatures/warriors (mentioned by Edward Teague in Quest) that once lived on Krypton. So Davis is 100% Kryptonian, though he is a hybrid of at least 2 races--normal Kryptonians and a creature that killed off all the other prehistoric Kryptonian creatures. The fact that he was revealed as genetic matter is a big hint that cloning was involved similar to the comics to allow him to evolve past what previously killed him. It had to involve some sort of cloning & experimentation otherwise he would be just as vulnerable to all the other types of creatures that once lived on Krypton.

Given that the Phantom Zone depowers all Kryptonian beings and even non-Kryptonians, it would have to have the same effects on Doomsday since he is 100% from Krypton. And not even he could escape the physics of the Phantom Zone. Outside the Zone, he would be his usual unstoppable self. But in the Zone, he wouldn't.

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When it comes to SV's Jor El all I can say is this:

http://roflrazzi.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/cookie-monster-wtf-is-this.jpg?w=324&h=314





I agree that SV's PZ is nothing like the comics. Here it really is a hellish place. If you ask me, they should have used a variant of the Survival Zone (perhaps reimagined as a "humane" section of SV's otherwise hellish PZ) for Raya. Raya would have had to come out of the SZ to rescue Clark back in S6. Or something like that anyway. As it stands now, it's yet another eccentricity of SV's peculiar Jor El. :\

Chloe's actions and Clark's inaction (in the FOS when Chloe showed up) was remarkably stupid IMHO. They had all the ingredients for an excellent story dealing with moral issues as well as the potential to give us some long overdue action and we end up with more soap opera nonsense. Hard to believe this is the same show that gave us Talisman where we had Lex and his remarkable reinterpretation of Sageeth from his POV. Now we have Davis grunting: "Don't make me angry...you wouldn't like me when I am angry". :\

Talisman was the last truly great episode 20. I liked Fade, but compared to Talisman, it was nothing.

I wondered if they would bring the Survival Zone. I even mentioned it on another thread here that Clark should perhaps have sent Davis there along with Chloe as his friend with benefits. But like I said in the other thread, last season would have been ideal for them to introduce the Survival Zone since Zor-El (its founder in the comics) was around. They failed to do so, so I guess it doesn't exist in the SV universe. Unless Kandor, which Kara left Earth to look for in Bloodline, was sucked inside the Survival Zone.

As soon as I saw that blue crystal last year, I thought it would open a portal to the Survival Zone. Too bad they used it for such a stupid plot instead.

[magic]

I wondered if they would bring the Survival Zone. I even mentioned it on another thread here that Clark should perhaps have sent Davis there along with Chloe as his friend with benefits. But like I said in the other thread, last season would have been ideal for them to introduce the Survival Zone since Zor-El (its founder in the comics) was around. They failed to do so, so I guess it doesn't exist in the SV universe. Unless Kandor, which Kara left Earth to look for in Bloodline, was sucked inside the Survival Zone.

As soon as I saw that blue crystal last year, I thought it would open a portal to the Survival Zone. Too bad they used it for such a stupid plot instead.
that would have been awesome.
have I mentioned I like your ideas? :)

[xrayvision]

Davis is a genetically engineered being. The Kryptonian portion of his genome comes from Zod and his wife, and his powers are definitely inferior to Clark's. Who knows where his mutational power comes from or whether the PZ can neutralize it? In the comics, DD pounds his way out eventually.

I don't ever remember him going to the Phantom Zone in the comics. I know he was beaten to death by Superman & thrown into space after being chained to an asteroid by the Cyborg Superman where he awoke not long after. He was also sent to the End of Time by Superman, he was placed in a teleporter that was set to infinitely teleport his matter to 4 booths not allowing more than a quarter of his matter to reintegrate, then freed by Lex's Suicide Squad and then was disintegrated to a skeleton by Imperiex where he again returned with Superman's DNA implanted in his remains as his skin & bones regrew causing him to be able to talk. This was eventually undone & Doomsday was sent to the center of the Earth (which is how I initially thought his 1st appearance would be on Smallville) where he was freed & beaten by the Earth-1 & Earth-2 versions of Superman. I read somewhere that he returned in the New Krypton storyline (something I want to read soon) and was killed when a bunch of Kryptonians ganged up on him & beat him until his skull was crushed.

So I think Doomsday being sent to the Phantom Zone is a 1st since I never read in any issue that he was sent there.

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that would have been awesome.
have I mentioned I like your ideas? :)

Possibly, but thanks regardless. I would liked to have seen this happen. But I guess Lana, Veritas, and other crap we got in season 7 were too important.

[Poyntz]

I thought the reason Clark didn't have powers in the PZ was because there is no yellow sun.

I didn't think Davis turned into Doomsday because he was on earth with a yellow sun. He would be Doomsday no matter what planet he was on. With that thought in mind, Davis would turn into Doomsday in the Phantom Zone, imo.

Another thing about Doomsday having powers. He is a killing machine with natural strength so what powers are people talking about?

I agree... since there is no yellow sun in the PZ then kryptonians do not have their powers. Doomsday doesnt have powers he's just a monster. And i'm pretty sure its not the yellow sun he needs for that. So i believe he would still have his strength in the zone.

Also Oliver said about 2 or 3 times.... "clark kill davis .. kill davis.. kill davis". Hasnt Oliver figured out that davis has been killed more then once and he comes back??? If not i think someone should explain that to him. Also before freaking on Chloe about her morals and how she does thing he should be told that Doomsday /davis was sent here to KILL CLARK..hence why chloe wants to keep them appart as much as possible. Him encourging clark to fight might just get clark killed.

Just a few cents in there LOL
Don't get me wrong. I do not think Chloe is right 100 percent. But i can see where her actions are coming from. She hasn't read the comics so she doesn't have as much insite as we do.
I like that she was hiding davis to try and find a cure with the doctor. She was hoping to find a way to cure davis for good. But she just found out that doesn't work so thats why she ran off i think

[Steve-El]

If Oliver hadn't told Chloe what Clark was about to do with Davis, he'd already been sent to the Phantom Zone.

[Poyntz]

and clark right there with him!!! Davis was going to take clark to the phantom zone with him. Which ment bye bye clark. No red sun in the zone to protect himself from Doomsday. No chloe to calm doomsday so thats it.
THen one day.. if he got out some how... no clark to try and help mankind..

[ginevrakent]

and clark right there with him!!! Davis was going to take clark to the phantom zone with him. Which ment bye bye clark. No red sun in the zone to protect himself from Doomsday. No chloe to calm doomsday so thats it.
THen one day.. if he got out some how... no clark to try and help mankind..

Davis would not have taken Clark with him, Chloe had convinced Davis to accept his fate willingly. If that did not work, Chloe should have worked with Clark to trick/force him into the PZ.

There's not going to be a Chloe around in 80 years max. So I guess Doomsday can terrorize the innocent victims of Earth in the 22nd century.

[Timester]

So I think Doomsday being sent to the Phantom Zone is a 1st since I never read in any issue that he was sent there.

You are right, Doomsday never been on the PZ.

[ginevrakent]

You are right, Doomsday never been on the PZ.

According to Wikipedia:


In the Justice League Unlimited (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League_Unlimited) episode "The Doomsday Sanction", Superman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superman) and the Justice League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League) send the nearly unstoppable Doomsday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_(comics)) into the Phantom Zone after his capture. This usage of the Phantom Zone, effectively sentencing Doomsday (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_(comics)) to life imprisonment without trial, presented massive arguments about the Justice League (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League)'s right to make such judgments. Batman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman) was especially troubled by this move.

[Exedore]

Talisman was the last truly great episode 20. I liked Fade, but compared to Talisman, it was nothing.

I wondered if they would bring the Survival Zone. I even mentioned it on another thread here that Clark should perhaps have sent Davis there along with Chloe as his friend with benefits. But like I said in the other thread, last season would have been ideal for them to introduce the Survival Zone since Zor-El (its founder in the comics) was around. They failed to do so, so I guess it doesn't exist in the SV universe. Unless Kandor, which Kara left Earth to look for in Bloodline, was sucked inside the Survival Zone.

As soon as I saw that blue crystal last year, I thought it would open a portal to the Survival Zone. Too bad they used it for such a stupid plot instead.

That's an excellent idea. Sending Davis to the Survival Zone with perhaps Chloe making the choice to go with him would have been much MUCH better than the nonsense we got. It would have been better for the emotional conflict too. It's a shame really. They wasted so many chances where they could have done so much more with the show. The weird Jor El in the early days of the show could have been easily explained via the Eradicator. When Clark was reprogrammed into an emotionless soldier "Kal El", I was so sure that they were finally going to reveal the Eradicator. It was a perfect opportunity. Boy was I disappointed. :\ Once again, in S7 they wasted a good opportunity to introduce the Survival Zone.


As far as SV's PZ being a hellish place is concerned, perhaps they should have explained it by saying that the PZ is humane for disembodied spirits only. For corporeal beings it is the exact opposite. Hence it is humane for "phantoms" but hell for Clark who is corporeal. It's not much but at least it would not have made out Jor El to be an evil dude who sends people to hell. :rolleyes: Raya should really have been in the Survival Zone. Or they could have shown that the "Zone" has different regions. A "normal" area (Survival Zone), a featureless region (comic book Phantom Zone) and one truly hellish place that Jor El was unaware of (the hell we see in SV's PZ). This way, you get Kryptonian survivors in the Zone, criminals exiled to the Zone in a humane fashion and you get to send Clark in there to be beaten to a pulp. :D

[actaeon]

Doomsday is just as strong (if not stronger) than Clark is.
Then why was Clark able to haul Dooms' butt all the way from Kansas to the Arctic? Seems to me that this was Clark's one good chance to rid the world of the plague that is Doomday. And Chloe spoiled it.


Thats why Chloe told Clark not to do it.
Chloe told him not to do it because she doesn't want to see Davis "in torment for all eternity". She believes that this mass-murdering Kryptonian machine deserves to be treated nicely.

Sure, there was a risk that Clark might've been hauled into the PZ with Davis. But being a hero involves taking risks.

Chloe, in her excessive zeal to protect Clark at all costs, is at this point unwilling to let Clark take risks. In other words, she is unwilling to let Clark be a hero. And that's just wrong.

[SVFancross]

Chloe has no business making decisions on Kryptonian affairs like Davis.What? So she shouldn't have gone to the fortress and got between Brainiac and Clark in Odyssey? She shouldn't have hidden the signal device from Bizarro in Phantom? She shouldn't have begged JorEl to give Kara her powers back in Traveler?

Chloe on SV has a chair a the "all-things-Kryptonian" table because Clark has put her there. In fact I loved how she just took out the crystal and set in on the side with no drama. A massive interdimensional portal is opened up behind her. Two superhumans are fighting and Chloe just plows ahead pragmatically. I love that about her. She takes it all in with aplomb while not missing the big picture.

And no, I don't consider only comic characters to be sacred enough to be involved in Kryptonian affairs. Perhaps this is blasphemy to some, it's Smallville to me.

[wafflles87]

Davis would not have taken Clark with him, Chloe had convinced Davis to accept his fate willingly. If that did not work, Chloe should have worked with Clark to trick/force him into the PZ.

There's not going to be a Chloe around in 80 years max. So I guess Doomsday can terrorize the innocent victims of Earth in the 22nd century.

A plan/trick really wouldn't have been necessary. All Clark had to do was chuck Davis through that there portal when he was weakened by Chloe's presence. Problem solved, monster sent away, all alien kittens and the Star Wars franchise saved.

[Iluvgreen]

That's why Chloe didn't want Clark to send Davis to the PZ. He knew that Clark would have to take him there himself, and that would be bad.

[wafflles87]

That's why Chloe didn't want Clark to send Davis to the PZ. He knew that Clark would have to take him there himself, and that would be bad.

No he wouldn't have. See my above post.

[coco#1]

Why would Chloe disagree with Clark about sending doomsday to prison for life for killing over 50 people? I dont care how long he can live,he deserves life in prison,not life as a free man as chloe thinks his sentence should be.Why is Clark so indecisive when chloe suggests life in prison/the phantom zone is too harsh a punnisnment for him? HE KILLED 50 PEOPLE!!!!!!! personally im for the death penalty for serial killers, but life in prison is the only alternative..right or wrong?

[coco#1]

Doomsday killed over 50 people.Why would life in prison be wrong? i dont care how long his lifespan is,he cant just be left to go free as Chloe suggests.right or wrongG

[borednow]

Because it isn't...

[cksidekick]

Logicaly it is the best option.

But it would torment Clark knowing Davis was in the fantom zone. Chloe thinks she is protecting Clark from feeling like he should free Davis from a hellish existance. It's the monster inside that belongs there, not the Davis camoflauge. As long as Davis can be at the surface the punishment would be too much for Clark to take. Chloe thinks she is protecting Clark's guilty streak.

[vikingjedi]

Doomsday killed over 50 people.Why would life in prison be wrong? i dont care how long his lifespan is,he cant just be left to go free as Chloe suggests.right or wrongG

Because the chances of putting him there without taking Clark along with him are almost zero. He could probably turn into Doomsday within a second if he didn't try to keep it from happening.

[Davis Bloome]

Because Davis first of all did those killings to save more people from his other self. And because it's not a lifetime prison but an eternal. Because there are better alternatives, like freezing him in imo. Clark couldn't escape when he was frozen in...

[actaeon]

Because it's harsh there, and poor woobie Davis wouldn't like it at all. It's dry and it's windy and his lips would get chapped as heck, and that would be a pity, because she dreams about kissing those lips.

Seriously... absolutely the most misplaced act of compassion ever!

[superhippie2000]

cause doomsday would adapt to to the zone and break out at some point. :\ but i doubt thats the reason the writters would think up.

[old guy]

cause doomsday would adapt to to the zone and break out at some point. :\ but i doubt thats the reason the writters would think up.

I don't think Doomsday can "break out" of the phantom zone. Chloe's rationale on this is just whack and I don't like that they've made her into such an illogical nitwit.

[green_arrow_girl358]

it's not so much wrong for DD, it just feels wrong to send davis there. i don't know why he can't go. after all zod and faeora turned out all right, didn't they?

[superhippie2000]

I don't think Doomsday can "break out" of the phantom zone. Chloe's rationale on this is just whack and I don't like that they've made her into such an illogical nitwit.
he might be able to if he can adapt to things fast. i do agree kind of that chloe is not using her brain the way she has in the past.

[Violet-Shadow]

The PZ prison is perfect for Doomsday and his human camouflage. I don't see why Clark would have any qualms about putting him there either. Doesn't the Red Blue Blur capture bad guys and make sure they get into police hands? In that case, those bad guys would end up in, yes, a jail cell. And Doomsday's human camouflage, who has the human name of "Davis," is not without his own crimes - as this "Davis" he has murdered people. Chloe's argument to Clark about feeling guilty if he sent "Davis" to the PZ made zero sense. Should Clark then feel guilty about catching the bad guys and sending them to prison? NO, that's part of his job. Chloe thinks she's protecting Clark but she is seriously misguided, to put it lightly.

[melissan02]

The PZ prison is perfect for Doomsday and his human camouflage. I don't see why Clark would have any qualms about putting him there either. It is perfect! Or was!:rolleyes: I didn't pick up any qualms on Clark's behalf about putting Davis in the PZ. He had things under control until Chloe showed up and chastised him about putting Davis into the PZ. I honestly half expected her to tell Clark to bend over so she could give him a spanking!:rolleyes:


Doesn't the Red Blue Blur capture bad guys and make sure they get into police hands? In that case, those bad guys would end up in, yes, a jail cell. And Doomsday's human camouflage, who has the human name of "Davis," is not without his own crimes - as this "Davis" he has murdered people. Chloe's argument to Clark about feeling guilty if he sent "Davis" to the PZ made zero sense. Made no sense at all! I only see Doomsday now, not Davis. To bad Chloe doesn't. Davis is the camo, Doomsday is who we see on our screen!


Should Clark then feel guilty about catching the bad guys and sending them to prison? NO, that's part of his job. Chloe thinks she's protecting Clark but she is seriously misguided, to put it lightly.Chloe is making a bad situation worse...for herself, for Clark, and for the entire planet!:eek::(

[Jack-El49]

Davis has killed plenty of people. We saw him kill the "drunk driver" - the same guy that Jimmy saw Davis kill. Davis killed Linda Lake. What makes anyone think that Davis shouldn't end up in the PZ? He's as culpable as the monster inside him.

[Violet-Shadow]

The only problem sending Davis to the PZ is that Kara may still be there. It would really suck for Davis to make up some lie about how he got there, and then have Kara bring him right back to earth.

Kara's not in the PZ, she's looking for Kandor. So, don't worry about Davis lying to Kara...'cause he couldn't.

[BadToad]

That's where brainiac sent her.......and she hasn't been seen since.

I take it you haven't watched all of S8 yet?

Kara appeared in Bloodline, where she was found in the Phantom Zone by Clark and Lois. Chloe used her Brainiac skills to get Clark and Kara out of the Phantom Zone. Kara eventually decided that she didn't belong in SV, and decided to go look for Kandor,

[Violet-Shadow]

That's where brainiac sent her.......and she hasn't been seen since.

Yeah, but in Bloodline she returned, now she's looking of Kandor. She's safe from Doomsday. :D

[Imzadia]

There's a small part of me that can still feel "Poor Davis!". Of course, he didn't 'ask' for "The Beast/Doomsday" to be the larger part of WHO he Is, but the Fact is that it's the Truth. No one asks for a 'genetic disease', but Davis' DNA was purposely Designed for him to become a Murderer. He Can Not escape that. It's Not a Disease, and there is No Cure. So, you're so Right, those of you who recognize that Davis Bloome is Only A Camouflage who is Temporarily Visible, IMO.

His purpose is To Kill, and especially To Kill Clark, once his True Identity fully manifests. Davis will no longer be a viable personality and will be forgotten once Doomsday takes permanent control. It may be a 'merciful' intention Not to send him to the PZ, but it's the ONLY PLACE where he will do the least harm to a population of Criminals rather than a population of more or less 'Innocents'. Every time he dies, he returns stronger. So, he can't and Shouldn't be killed. Efforts made to Kill Davis are an illogical path to take hoping for any type of success or finality.

During the span of an 'eternity', since he's Immortal, maybe someone will mercifully subdue him in some way, even if it's only temporarily, but long enough to fly him into a RED GIANT Sun. It may be one way to incenerate and destroy him ultimately. It's just a Theory, but it would put him out of his misery. Future Technology may be able to accomplish this for Davis' sake. Of course, IMO, he'll be long submerged deep within the Doomsday persona by then, even if he's in the PZ.

Personally, I believe that Chloe has made a terrible mistake. None of her reasoning holds up to Logic or Real Love. Furthermore, Clark didn't hesitate to send Namek and Aether into the PZ, and they weren't phantoms. Kara survived there for nearly a year without any powers, but then time doesn't pass there the same way as in other places. She seemed to be Emotionally scarred probably because of the constant fight for survival. I don't think that would be the case with Davis/Doomsday, though. He may just be the worst 'corporeal' being to be imprisoned there.

Once he's killed all the 'non-phantoms', all that'll be left will be phantoms, and he can't hurt them. Those who are imprisoned there are criminals who are a threat to all life and will not or can not be rehabilitated. In Superman II, Zod, his female counterpart, and the third Mute member of that murderous Trio (I can't remember their names-sorry) were sent to the PZ intact, body and spirit. It was Krypton's alternative to the Death Penalty.

Kryptonian logic supported Jor-El's solution to those who were mass murderers who clung to their lack of values concerning the preservation of life. Since Jor-El discovered it, he made sure there was an escape for any of his family members if they were ever accidentally imprisoned there. So, I don't think that Doomsday would ever be able to escape. Clark's learned a lot since he was first sent there, so if he was pulled in with Doomy, he'd just have to be clever enough to find a way to eventually escape and hope not to bring any Zoners with him. If Clark would suspend his Earth-learned Emotions in this matter particularly, he would conclude that Imprisoning Doomsday would be worth it, IMHO, to safeguard the lives of Doomy's future potential victims. THAT, IMO, is the Most Important Issue, and more important than Anyone's 'feelings'.

[xrayvision]

There's a small part of me that can still feel "Poor Davis!". Of course, he didn't 'ask' for "The Beast/Doomsday" to be the larger part of WHO he Is, but the Fact is that it's the Truth. No one asks for a 'genetic disease', but Davis' DNA was purposely Designed for him to become a Murderer. He Can Not escape that. It's Not a Disease, and there is No Cure. So, you're so Right, those of you who recognize that Davis Bloome is Only A Camouflage who is Temporarily Visible, IMO.

His purpose is To Kill, and especially To Kill Clark, once his True Identity fully manifests. Davis will no longer be a viable personality and will be forgotten once Doomsday takes permanent control. It may be a 'merciful' intention Not to send him to the PZ, but it's the ONLY PLACE where he will do the least harm to a population of Criminals rather than a population of more or less 'Innocents'. Every time he dies, he returns stronger. So, he can't and Shouldn't be killed. Efforts made to Kill Davis are an illogical path to take hoping for any type of success or finality.

During the span of an 'eternity', since he's Immortal, maybe someone will mercifully subdue him in some way, even if it's only temporarily, but long enough to fly him into a RED GIANT Sun. It may be one way to incenerate and destroy him ultimately. It's just a Theory, but it would put him out of his misery. Future Technology may be able to accomplish this for Davis' sake. Of course, IMO, he'll be long submerged deep within the Doomsday persona by then, even if he's in the PZ.

Personally, I believe that Chloe has made a terrible mistake. None of her reasoning holds up to Logic or Real Love. Furthermore, Clark didn't hesitate to send Namek and Aether into the PZ, and they weren't phantoms. Kara survived there for nearly a year without any powers, but then time doesn't pass there the same way as in other places. She seemed to be Emotionally scarred probably because of the constant fight for survival. I don't think that would be the case with Davis/Doomsday, though. He may just be the worst 'corporeal' being to be imprisoned there.

Once he's killed all the 'non-phantoms', all that'll be left will be phantoms, and he can't hurt them. Those who are imprisoned there are criminals who are a threat to all life and will not or can not be rehabilitated. In Superman II, Zod, his female counterpart, and the third Mute member of that murderous Trio (I can't remember their names-sorry) were sent to the PZ intact, body and spirit. It was Krypton's alternative to the Death Penalty.

Kryptonian logic supported Jor-El's solution to those who were mass murderers who clung to their lack of values concerning the preservation of life. Since Jor-El discovered it, he made sure there was an escape for any of his family members if they were ever accidentally imprisoned there. So, I don't think that Doomsday would ever be able to escape. Clark's learned a lot since he was first sent there, so if he was pulled in with Doomy, he'd just have to be clever enough to find a way to eventually escape and hope not to bring any Zoners with him. If Clark would suspend his Earth-learned Emotions in this matter particularly, he would conclude that Imprisoning Doomsday would be worth it, IMHO, to safeguard the lives of Doomy's future potential victims. THAT, IMO, is the Most Important Issue, and more important than Anyone's 'feelings'.

Sending him into a red giant sun will vaporize him, but his molecules & DNA will just come together & resurrect him again, next time to be invulnerable to red giant suns. He's been vaporized before in the comics and has returned. So many things have been done to him. He was placed in a teleporter that perpetually sent his matter back & forth between 4 teleportation pods, but intervention broke him loose from that. Superman even sent him to the End of Time---the one place Doomsday could never escape on his own---using the Waverider's time travel technology, but I believe Brainiac freed him from that. Doomsday is now invulnerable to Darkseid's Omega Beam and had even kicked Darkseid's ass & KO'd him (the only creature to ever do that). His latest death came when a bunch of Kandorians from New Krypton joined Superman in simultaneously bashing his skull in.

I love reading the creativity of what various heroes have to do to stop/kill Doomsday and how no matter what they do, he keeps coming back stronger. Eventually, he will be killed in so many ways that nothing will stop him. The one thing that never happened in the comics was DD getting sent to the Phantom Zone. Given the Zone's nature, he wouldn't have his superpowers there. It's likely he wouldn't even have his resurrection powers there as any & all powers are removed when someone enters the Zone. So if he's killed, in the Zone, he wouldn't return unless someone pulls him out through the portal.

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Yeah, but in Bloodline she returned, now she's looking of Kandor. She's safe from Doomsday. :D

It would be cool if they bring her back for an episode next season and explain that Kandor was sucked into Zor-El's Survival Zone so they could explore that part of the Superman mythos.

[Poyntz]

Davis has killed plenty of people. We saw him kill the "drunk driver" - the same guy that Jimmy saw Davis kill. Davis killed Linda Lake. What makes anyone think that Davis shouldn't end up in the PZ? He's as culpable as the monster inside him.

Yep he killed we know that.. (although i was cheering when he killed Linda Lake is that wrong? hehehe)

I believe that chloe is wrong. But i do not think her intentions were bad. It is easier for us or anyone else to judge when you are outside of the situation. Right now she is reacting on raw emotion.
I think she is still trying to find a cure for Davis. (even though all of us know that will never happen)

I also not sure how i feel about the PZ being used either. But not for the reasons that Chloe states. More so for that fact that throwing that beast into the PZ can also ends up causing problems in there. And if in the future Clark or any human (eg jimmy, lois, oliver) get trapped in there by mistake they would be dead themselves. People say that wont happen but you never know what will happen in the future. Clarks been in there 2 ttimes already.. Lois and Kara both once.

Just some more food for thought

[xrayvision]

As much as I dislike what Chloe did, I still say her intentions weren't bad, but they were selfish. And it was the wrong choice nonetheless. And as the old saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. And what a road it will be.

Chloe's intentions were to keep Davis out of the Zone. It's obvious she has feelings for the guy, but that's where she's selfish, because she's thinking about herself & is putting the world, especially Clark, in danger. I don't buy it one minute that Chloe did anything because she thinks Clark would beat himself up over sending Davis to the Zone. There is nothing unethical about that, especially when Clark knows what the Zone is for and Chloe doesn't. She has no idea about why it's used, what it's like inside, or anything else. Clark has given this a lot of time & knew what he was doing. This all comes back to what Oliver said to Clark towards the end of Bloodline after seeing Chloe do things with the FOS crystal that no human should be involved in. That conversation between them is the fallback point. It proves that Chloe is completely wrong in what she did.

And as BadToad mentioned, if Chloe thought that he would be blaming himself for sending Davis to the Phantom Zone but would not blame himself for letting Chloe throw her life in the toilet by letting her go with Davis & ending up getting murdered, then she is more naive than I ever thought. I would go so far as to say moronic, because it shows no real thought or planning on her part.