View Full Version : Did Clark seem jealous or concerned about Chloe/Davis?
Polomontana
05-01-2009, 12:12 AM
Did Clark seem concerned or jealous when he talked about Chlavis?
I'm not sure
It could have been kryptonian jealousy like how could you side with my enemy or real jealousy.
I think both jealous and concern. It's hard to to know just because I sometimes get confused by his facial expressions, I am not sure if its more Toms acting or the directors telling him how to portray the scene.
Kschreck
05-01-2009, 12:22 AM
Clark seemed to only be concerned for Chloe's well being as well as annoyed that she is helping a monster.
Clark seemed to only be concerned for Chloe's well being as well as annoyed that she is helping a monster.
I didn't see any annoyance, but hey everyone interprets things differently so...
Kalista
05-01-2009, 12:24 AM
Clark was feeling a combination of jealousy, fear and frustration. He's jealous because he thinks Chloe is in love with Davis. Clark fears that Davis could kill Chloe. And he's frustrated because she's leaving with Davis and he can't convince her to stay.
Violet-Shadow
05-01-2009, 12:30 AM
He's concerned only. But, uh, yeah. His best friend ran off with a serial killer. Who wouldn't be concerned in the same situation?
Supsfan
05-01-2009, 12:52 AM
He seemed concerned and frustrated, but as Naya pointed out everybody will interpret it how they want
Violet-Shadow
05-01-2009, 12:54 AM
He seemed concerned and frustrated, but as Naya pointed out everybody will interpret it how they want
Yeah, frustrated too.
quiet_fractures
05-01-2009, 12:56 AM
Concerned, jealous and probably a little scared that Davis could kill Chloe.
cloisnlove
05-01-2009, 01:02 AM
I say its an understandable combination of the three.
I think he does still have feelings for Chloe, however small in comparison to his feelings for Lois.
He's obviously concerned, after all, the man did kill 50 people at least.
As for the "Kryptonian Jealousy", Davis and Clark are natural born enemies. (Unlike Clark and Lex where it is just a mutual hatred of each other.) Clark and Chloe have been friends for nearly 10 years. Whereas Chloe has only known Davis for less than a year. Of course he would be upset that she would side with Davis over him.
ps
I love the way you termed the last one. "Kryptonian Jealousy"
It's great.
amalie
05-01-2009, 01:04 AM
Concern and frustration.
Ayanne
05-01-2009, 01:40 AM
Clark was feeling a combination of jealousy, fear and frustration. He's jealous because he thinks Chloe is in love with Davis. Clark fears that Davis could kill Chloe. And he's frustrated because she's leaving with Davis and he can't convince her to stay.
OMG! The "I won't stop looking for you." & the smash phone! That isn't how one reacts with "concern". Clark was passionate!! That's how you react with jealousy!
Kalista
05-01-2009, 01:52 AM
OMG! The "I won't stop looking for you." & the smash phone! That isn't how one reacts with "concern". Clark was passionate!! That's how you react with jealousy!
Vindella posed the question of why Chloe seems to drive Clark to the brink of insanity. It's because he's in love with her and doesn't realize it yet IMO. Like Chloe, Clark's true feelings come out when he's in distress. I have so much love for that phone conversation.
Clark: Chloe I'm going to spend every second looking for you. I'm going to find a way to save you.
Chloe: Clark you're not here to save one person. You're here to save all of us.
Clark: And you think sacrificing yourself will help me do that? Chloe you're wrong. You're wrong Chloe!
Clark: Chloe listen to me, this is your life that we're talking about. Don't do this.
-Nora-
05-01-2009, 02:04 AM
OMG! The "I won't stop looking for you." & the smash phone! That isn't how one reacts with "concern". Clark was passionate!! That's how you react with jealousy!
Yes, that's why he was heartbroken when she walked down the aisle with Jimmy. Here and I thought he was passionate and angry because his best friend ran off with the world's ultimate destroyer.
Dyanara
05-01-2009, 02:12 AM
Clark was full of concern, he knows Chloe is in danger and though her intentions are good she is putting her life on the line. I dont believe CLark will ever stop looking for her.
desertcoyote
05-01-2009, 02:22 AM
Yes, that's why he was heartbroken when she walked down the aisle with Jimmy. Here and I thought he was passionate and angry because his best friend ran off with the world's ultimate destroyer.
Damn Nora, we're on the same wavelength here.
I believe Clark was acting in concern and frustration.
Concern because Chloe's his best friend and she's in danger.
Frustration because Chloe is (needlessly I believe) doing this for him and probably because he listened to her lecture at the FoS.
Ayanne
05-01-2009, 02:24 AM
Yes, that's why he was heartbroken when she walked down the aisle with Jimmy. Here and I thought he was passionate and angry because his best friend ran off with the world's ultimate destroyer.
Clark wanted Chloe to be happy, & he thought she loved Jimmy. Obviously he was upset, & desperately lonely, until Lana showed back up. :rotfl:
Perhaps you missed how Clark directed that passion - saving Chloe.
Clark: "Chloe I'm going to spend every second looking for you. I'm going to find a way to save you."
-Nora-
05-01-2009, 02:27 AM
Perhaps you missed how Clark directed that passion - saving Chloe.
I didn't miss it, I just fail to see how that is in any way coupled with romantic feelings. What, the only way he could possibly be this passionate is if he is in love with Chloe? Really? Cause I thought Chloe was his best friend.
Kalista
05-01-2009, 02:28 AM
Clark wanted Chloe to be happy, & he thought she loved Jimmy. Obviously he was upset, & desperately lonely, until Lana showed back up. :rotfl:
:lol:
Clark was visibly upset when Jimmy interrupted their dance and took Chloe away.
-Nora-
05-01-2009, 02:30 AM
Ah, so the big thing that will make Lois and Clark fans forgive all in the finale, will be Clark realizing he's in love with Chloe? I'm guessing Clark will realize he has romantic feelings. I doubt they're meant for Chloe, though.
Kalista
05-01-2009, 02:32 AM
Ah, so the big thing that will make Lois and Clark fans forgive all in the finale, will be Clark realizing he's in love with Chloe? I'm guessing Clark will realize he has romantic feelings. I doubt they're meant for Chloe, though.
If that is your interpretation then fine. I don't feel the need to question it or ridicule you for your opinion.
amalie
05-01-2009, 02:32 AM
:lol:
Clark was visibly upset when Jimmy interrupted their dance and took Chloe away.
Really? I must have missed that bit. I remember him proudly walking her down the aisle with a big grin, I remember him almost kissing Lois, I remember him reacting to Lana's return but I don't recall any hint of him being upset or jealous about Chloe/Jimmy.
Kalista
05-01-2009, 02:33 AM
Really? I must have missed that bit. I remember him proudly walking her down the aisle with a big grin, I remember him almost kissing Lois, I remember him reacting to Lana's return but I don't recall any hint of him being upset or jealous about Chloe/Jimmy.
Thanks for sharing your opinion. But I didn't miss it.
Dyanara
05-01-2009, 02:35 AM
mod edit
-Nora-
05-01-2009, 02:35 AM
If that is your interpretation then fine. I don't feel the need to question it or ridicule you for your opinion.
It's not about interpretation, it's what writers and producers have said.
But you're right, to each his own.
Ayanne
05-01-2009, 02:37 AM
:lol:
Clark was visibly upset when Jimmy interrupted their dance and took Chloe away.
He looked so alone. Clark wants Chloe to be happy, yet the underlying emotion & intimacy between them breaks out & WOW. So many mixed signals, which is why I'm very happy the writers outright gave Chloe the dialogue telling Clark her motives are "to protect & save him." It was heartbreaking, & did you see Clark's face as he told her he would never stop trying to save her?" The cut of her crying & his eyes which looked like he was going to cry too.
Intense emotional outburst motivated by passionate feelings. Feelings of Hate, Love, Obsession. We know it's not hate or obsession, which leaves "love".
Supsfan
05-01-2009, 02:40 AM
Clark showed some frustration and passion towards Ollie tonight, does that mean he loves him as well?
Kalista
05-01-2009, 02:43 AM
He did! Clark wants Chloe to be happy, yet the underlying emotion & intimacy between them breaks out & WOW. So many mixed signals, which is why I'm very happy the writers outright gave Chloe the dialogue telling Clark her motives are "to protect & save him." It was heartbreaking, & did you see Clark's face as he told her he would never stop trying to save her?"
Intense emotional outburst motivated by passionate feelings. Feelings of Hate, Love, Obsession. We know it's not hate or obsession, which leaves "love".
Khyla made a wonderful gif. Clark smiles while Chloe and Jimmy are near but the minute they turn their back you can see he was upset.
Yes I noticed his expression when he vowed to find her. I believe him.
Did you notice that Clark wanted to say more when he told Chloe she was wrong to think that sacrificing herself would help him save the world? It was so sad.
Ayanne
05-01-2009, 02:52 AM
Khyla made a wonderful gif. Clark smiles while Chloe and Jimmy are near but the minute they turn their back you can see he was upset.
Yes I noticed his expression when he vowed to find her. I believe him.
Did you notice that Clark wanted to say more when he told Chloe she was wrong to think that sacrificing herself would help him save the world? It was so sad.
I keep seeing that 8 years of unresolved sexual tension breaking out between them, & there it was again tonight. It's about time it came to the fore, & they act on it!
Serynarpc
05-01-2009, 02:54 AM
Clark was feeling a combination of jealousy, fear and frustration. He's jealous because he thinks Chloe is in love with Davis. Clark fears that Davis could kill Chloe. And he's frustrated because she's leaving with Davis and he can't convince her to stay.
ITA!
Marvelous post, I agree with all points. That, and I really believe that the Clark ship has sailed. I love it and trust me, I'd have love to have seen it before Clois/ Chlavis. Right now, I definitely think Clark isn't thinking clearly.
Kalista
05-01-2009, 02:56 AM
ITA!
Marvelous post, I agree with all points. That, and I really believe that the Clark ship has sailed. I love it and trust me, I'd have love to have seen it before Clois/ Chlavis. Right now, I definitely think Clark isn't thinking clearly.
Thank you. But I'm in agreement with Chloe when she described the ship as "firmly anchored at bay". In what way is Clark not thinking clearly in your opinion? I'm not sure what you mean.
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I keep seeing that 8 years of unresolved sexual tension breaking out between them, & there it was again tonight. It's about time it came to the fore, & they act on it!
Agreed. I laughed when Clark explained to Davis v e r y s l o w l y that Chloe could never have real feelings for him.
herolee10
05-01-2009, 03:24 AM
Hmmm..let's see.
how would any of you feel if your supposed BBF (Best friend forever) was making the most hugest mistake in their life by siding with a being who is capable of killing everyone on Earth?
Ljiljana
05-01-2009, 03:26 AM
I think it was concern AND jealousy rolled into one.
Selina
05-01-2009, 04:05 AM
He was concerned and frustrated. Not jealous at all.
krysyuy
05-01-2009, 04:11 AM
Concerned, definitely. His best friend is getting in way over her head. I also agree that he's frustrated.
But jealous? :confused: No, I don't see it. There's nothing for him to be jealous about.
targis
05-01-2009, 04:16 AM
What is the diference between real jealousy and Kryptonian jealousy?
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Agent Addek
05-01-2009, 04:21 AM
Vindella posed the question of why Chloe seems to drive Clark to the brink of insanity. It's because he's in love with her and doesn't realize it yet IMO. Like Chloe, Clark's true feelings come out when he's in distress. I have so much love for that phone conversation.
Clark: Chloe I'm going to spend every second looking for you. I'm going to find a way to save you.
Chloe: Clark you're not here to save one person. You're here to save all of us.
Clark: And you think sacrificing yourself will help me do that? Chloe you're wrong. You're wrong Chloe!
Clark: Chloe listen to me, this is your life that we're talking about. Don't do this.
This conversation was made of so much WIN!!!:D:D
I have to say ITA that it was jealousy, frustration, and concern.
doomsday1215
05-01-2009, 04:22 AM
Clark showed some frustration and passion towards Ollie tonight, does that mean he loves him as well?
thats priceless :rotfl:
Selina
05-01-2009, 04:23 AM
For Clark to be jealous, he'd have to have some romantic feelings for Chloe, which right now he doesn't. It's never been portrayed that way this season.
Any best friend would be deeply concerned and worried if they ran of with a monster. It's no brainer that he cares for Chloe.
Supsfan
05-01-2009, 04:24 AM
What is the diference between real jealousy and Kryptonian jealousy?
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I think it's like a Spinal Tap Amp, when you have jealousy turn to full level and just need that extra bit to put you over, you switch it to 11 to give you Kryptonian Jealousy
Mickey_Bickey
05-01-2009, 04:24 AM
I think Clark is angry and concerned. He's not jealous. Chloe is making a HUGE mistake, and Clark is frustrated with her decision.
TOMophilus
05-01-2009, 04:26 AM
Jealousy is out of the question. He was not jealous of Jimmy, so why would he be jealous of a murderous monster?
targis
05-01-2009, 04:30 AM
I think it's like a Spinal Tap Amp, when you have jealousy turn to full level and just need that extra bit to put you over, you switch it to 11 to give you Kryptonian Jealousy
Thanks for the explaning it.
Supsfan
05-01-2009, 04:31 AM
Thanks for the explaning it.
Yeah it's 1 higher then normal jealousy
Fawbish
05-01-2009, 04:39 AM
Its really quite a tenous link from the Chlark hopers.
And I find it a little annoying that apparently Clark cannot feel protective and strongly for someone, to the point where he would do anything for them, and NOT be in love with them. Its a very naive way of thinking, IMO. Relationships (and no, I do not mean necessarily couple relationships) have so many varying degrees of depth, closeness, passion and yes, frustration, that I believe it an insult to the shows portrayal of human relations to think that IN love cant be involved.
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* to think that being IN love, HAS to be involved. Apologies.
krysyuy
05-01-2009, 04:46 AM
^Agreed.
Sometimes a best friend is just that. A best friend. One Clark cares about and loves deeply, but has no romantic feelings for. That doesn't make his connection to Chloe any less important or strong.
costas22
05-01-2009, 06:35 AM
Clark is concerned.
nic25
05-01-2009, 06:44 AM
Clark showed some frustration and passion towards Ollie tonight, does that mean he loves him as well?
:rotfl:
Clark has no reason to be jealous of Chole.Not at all.Hes concerned and frustrated.
SupermanRox
05-01-2009, 07:32 AM
I think Clark is angry and concerned. He's not jealous. Chloe is making a HUGE mistake, and Clark is frustrated with her decision.
I completely agree
AndiGirl
05-01-2009, 07:33 AM
I think he was all of the above....jealous, concerned and frustrated.
He was jealous.....when Ollie came in to talk to him. He kept saying "Chloe coudlnt have feelings for him, she wouldnt pick davis over her friends.." I was waiting for him to say "She wouldnt pick him over ME!"
You can be jealous without being in love with somene people....I dont think he was jealous in the sense that he wanted to go beat the crap out of Davis, then share a passionate kiss with Chloe.
But he was jealous of the fact that Chloe appeared to finally be choosing someone over him. He doesnt know how to handle that. (Even if we all know she didnt really pick Davis over him.....)
He is concerned that Chloe is getting in over her head, and Doomy will find a way to kill her. Which, are all reasonable...
And he's frustrated because he honestly doesnt know what to do at this point. :\
wolverine316
05-01-2009, 08:10 AM
Only concern. There was no type of jealousy anywhere on Clark's part.
amalie
05-01-2009, 08:17 AM
I'm thinking perhaps a bit of denial as well, he really doesn't believe Chloe could love a killer.
mysticrose624
05-01-2009, 08:21 AM
I think if they wanted us to think Clark was jealous, they would have made it clear with a simple line like "Chloe wouldn't choose Davis over me", but they didn't, and jealousy is way too trite a word to describe what's happening.
I think Clark loves Chloe; she's his best friend and they have been through a lot together, and he knows this is going to end badly. Oliver almost died because of Chloe's decision and it's not going to stop there.
AndiGirl
05-01-2009, 08:23 AM
I'm thinking perhaps a bit of denial as well, he really doesn't believe Chloe could love a killer.
Oh, good one Amalie! :)
ITA. He just cant seem to wrap his head around it..... :\
wingster55
05-01-2009, 08:35 AM
Jealous. Not out of romantic notions but he always gets that way when someone takes up his "Chloe time" Oliver, Jimmy and now Davis (Eternal).
Davis Bloome
05-01-2009, 09:29 AM
I don't think he was jealous, I think he was more confused, concerned, frustrated.
clois-destiny-forever
05-01-2009, 09:30 AM
It was more concern than jealousy. Clark has trouble letting go of things. This was friendship based, not romance.
SnowBird
05-01-2009, 09:43 AM
Clark was very concerned for his best friend and frustrated that Chloe wouldn't listen to him.
oberyn
05-01-2009, 10:04 AM
I think he was all of the above....jealous, concerned and frustrated.
He was jealous.....when Ollie came in to talk to him. He kept saying "Chloe coudlnt have feelings for him, she wouldnt pick davis over her friends.." I was waiting for him to say "She wouldnt pick him over ME!"
You can be jealous without being in love with somene people....I dont think he was jealous in the sense that he wanted to go beat the crap out of Davis, then share a passionate kiss with Chloe.
But he was jealous of the fact that Chloe appeared to finally be choosing someone over him. He doesnt know how to handle that. (Even if we all know she didnt really pick Davis over him.....)
He is concerned that Chloe is getting in over her head, and Doomy will find a way to kill her. Which, are all reasonable...
And he's frustrated because he honestly doesnt know what to do at this point. :\
Great post. :)
vikingjedi
05-01-2009, 10:05 AM
Did Clark seem concerned or jealous when he talked about Chlavis?
I'm not sure
It could have been kryptonian jealousy like how could you side with my enemy or real jealousy.
Confusion, concern, and some jealousy mixed together.
medea
05-01-2009, 10:10 AM
Concern AND jealousy imo.
Clark has always been very protective and exclusive with Chloe especially when she seems to stop putting him first in her life.
Before Davis, it never really happened for more than an episode (I can remember Crush and Dichotic). Clark seemed frustrated when Chloe introduced Jimmy but it has been clear very quickly that Clark was always going to come first in her life. Jimmy has never been a threat for their relationship. Davis is.
Plus the fact that he's Doomsday which explain Clark being concerned. And maybe powerless since he don't know what to do about him...
Atomic girl
05-01-2009, 10:44 AM
I think he was all of the above....jealous, concerned and frustrated.
He was jealous.....when Ollie came in to talk to him. He kept saying "Chloe coudlnt have feelings for him, she wouldnt pick davis over her friends.." I was waiting for him to say "She wouldnt pick him over ME!"
You can be jealous without being in love with somene people....I dont think he was jealous in the sense that he wanted to go beat the crap out of Davis, then share a passionate kiss with Chloe.
But he was jealous of the fact that Chloe appeared to finally be choosing someone over him. He doesnt know how to handle that. (Even if we all know she didnt really pick Davis over him.....)
He is concerned that Chloe is getting in over her head, and Doomy will find a way to kill her. Which, are all reasonable...
And he's frustrated because he honestly doesnt know what to do at this point. :\That's more of how I took it, Clark was jealous that perhaps, Davis would have more of a pull on Chloe than he would and he didn't like it. I think the fact that Davis' pull was taking her out of Clark's life was distressing. How could Davis become her BFF, when she already has one? I recall that Clark wasn't too fond of Ollie using Chloe in Justice League operations because of the danger, but I thought at the time there might be a bit of jealousy over her time commitment to Ollie, not just the danger issues.
Kevin24
05-01-2009, 10:44 AM
I think he was all of the above....jealous, concerned and frustrated.
He was jealous.....when Ollie came in to talk to him. He kept saying "Chloe coudlnt have feelings for him, she wouldnt pick davis over her friends.." I was waiting for him to say "She wouldnt pick him over ME!"
You can be jealous without being in love with somene people....I dont think he was jealous in the sense that he wanted to go beat the crap out of Davis, then share a passionate kiss with Chloe.
But he was jealous of the fact that Chloe appeared to finally be choosing someone over him. He doesnt know how to handle that. (Even if we all know she didnt really pick Davis over him.....)
He is concerned that Chloe is getting in over her head, and Doomy will find a way to kill her. Which, are all reasonable...
And he's frustrated because he honestly doesnt know what to do at this point. :\
I agree with you completely. That is exactly the way I interpreted the scenes between both of them. I never thought Clark was jealous of Davis but jealous that Chloe was siding with him. In his mind he thought Chloe was betraying everyone and he just couldn't believe his Chloe would do such a thing to him.
Chloe really believes she is doing whats best for everyone but she just isn't seeing the bigger picture.
More then anything I believe Clark feels helpless about the whole situation.
friendsita
05-01-2009, 10:49 AM
I don't see him mad at her, he totally understood why chloe is doing this, he's tooo concern for her, more than I've ever seen him about anyone else.
snookie16
05-01-2009, 10:55 AM
Its really quite a tenous link from the Chlark hopers.
And I find it a little annoying that apparently Clark cannot feel protective and strongly for someone, to the point where he would do anything for them, and NOT be in love with them. Its a very naive way of thinking, IMO. Relationships (and no, I do not mean necessarily couple relationships) have so many varying degrees of depth, closeness, passion and yes, frustration, that I believe it an insult to the shows portrayal of human relations to think that IN love cant be involved.
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* to think that being IN love, HAS to be involved. Apologies.
I do happen to agree with this because people see what they want to see. I also had experience with this myself abd it may not be the right time for them to get more involved.
^Agreed.
Sometimes a best friend is just that. A best friend. One Clark cares about and loves deeply, but has no romantic feelings for. That doesn't make his connection to Chloe any less important or strong.
This is also true because my mom has a friend like this. Also I sort of have a friend like this too.
I think if they wanted us to think Clark was jealous, they would have made it clear with a simple line like "Chloe wouldn't choose Davis over me", but they didn't, and jealousy is way too trite a word to describe what's happening.
I think Clark loves Chloe; she's his best friend and they have been through a lot together, and he knows this is going to end badly. Oliver almost died because of Chloe's decision and it's not going to stop there.
I feel that this is true also, but for me this season is a lot like the first season for me. Eventhough in the first seaon they were teens, this season it just adult verson.
Mrs. Superman
05-01-2009, 10:57 AM
Clark showed some frustration and passion towards Ollie tonight, does that mean he loves him as well?
:rotfl:
Its really quite a tenous link from the Chlark hopers.
And I find it a little annoying that apparently Clark cannot feel protective and strongly for someone, to the point where he would do anything for them, and NOT be in love with them. Its a very naive way of thinking, IMO. Relationships (and no, I do not mean necessarily couple relationships) have so many varying degrees of depth, closeness, passion and yes, frustration, that I believe it an insult to the shows portrayal of human relations to think that being IN love, HAS to be involved.
Exactly. I'd break something like that too (though it wouldnt be a file cabinet) if my best friend did the same exact thing. And trust me, I'm not in love with her.
I think he was all of the above....jealous, concerned and frustrated.
He was jealous.....when Ollie came in to talk to him. He kept saying "Chloe coudlnt have feelings for him, she wouldnt pick davis over her friends.." I was waiting for him to say "She wouldnt pick him over ME!"
You can be jealous without being in love with somene people....I dont think he was jealous in the sense that he wanted to go beat the crap out of Davis, then share a passionate kiss with Chloe.
But he was jealous of the fact that Chloe appeared to finally be choosing someone over him. He doesnt know how to handle that. (Even if we all know she didnt really pick Davis over him.....)
He is concerned that Chloe is getting in over her head, and Doomy will find a way to kill her. Which, are all reasonable...
And he's frustrated because he honestly doesnt know what to do at this point. :\
Now this I definitely agree with. He is jealous in the manner you described, along with concerned and frustrated.
paolinki25
05-01-2009, 11:50 AM
To be jealous would mean Clark has romantic feeling for Chloe, which he doesn't. Chloe is a dear friend to him and he of course doesn't want anything bad happening to her. He was concerned.
SawyerJulietrox
05-01-2009, 12:11 PM
He *seemed* jealous, what with the breaking things and wet eyes and all. But I'm not sure whether the writer's meant to portray it that way. This show is so bipolar. I will say my sister watching it with me who likes Clark and Lois was not happy.
paolinki25
05-01-2009, 12:21 PM
Clark's reaction was more frustration than anything. He is frustrated and feels helpless because he cannot save her. I honestly didn't see anything that would imply he's jealous.
myankskent
05-01-2009, 12:31 PM
I think that Clark was concerned and jealous. It wasn't romantic jealousy, it was jealousy that had to do with the fact that Chloe chose to go with Davis rather than stay on Clark's side. He was also very concerned for Chloe and how she was making the biggest mistake of her life.
aceofclubs
05-01-2009, 12:32 PM
I think he was concerned for her well being, I mean c'mon she ran off with a serial killer!
marcella
05-01-2009, 01:13 PM
Concern, of course. His best friend is running away with a serial killer
I loved this episode and I loved the Chlavis and the Chlark scenes so much. But romance between Clark and Chloe? :confused:
Nope! Didn't see any romantic feelings at all. They care deeply for each other as has been established episode after episode, season after season but Clark clearly does not have any romantic feelings for Chloe. And Chloe, well I don't know, she's just too hard to read but if anything I'm leaning towards her having possible feelings for Davis. Chloe will always put Clark number one in her life but that doesn't mean she's in love with him. She just respects what he does and what he will be able to do for the world in the future. So at time she acts like his protector. On the flip side, Clark loves Chloe but on a very platonic level. I think season 1 was really the only time he seriously contemplated getting romantic with Chloe and that ended by season 2. Then there was that tease in...was the episode Vessel? But that was seriously a tease and nothing more since nothing substantial every developed from that one glance he gave Chloe. So no, for the longest time, these two have been nothing more than friends.
Last night Clark was very concerned about Chloe and of course there was intensity in his actions, this is life and death we are talking about. And more importantly we are dealing with Doomsday whom Chloe has attached herself, too. That calls for some serious worry. So I saw a lot of love for Chloe from Clark's side but nothing more than I'd expect someone to have for their best friend.
wafflles87
05-01-2009, 02:23 PM
Clark was in Denial-land (not to be confused with Dream-land, that's actually two dimensions to the left) that Chloe actually betrayed him, and chose a serial killer over him, and her other friends.
To be jealous would mean Clark has romantic feeling for Chloe, which he doesn't. Chloe is a dear friend to him and he of course doesn't want anything bad happening to her. He was concerned.
Not only that but jealousy would be such a petty emotion for Clark to be having. Even Jimmy who is completely head over heels in love with Chloe wasn't showing any jealousy. He was showing bitterness, anger and above all disgust. And even in the mix of all these intense negative emotions he was still showing concern for Chloe. So of course imagine Clark harboring none of these negative feelings for Chloe would show his concern and worry purely. But that doesn't mean he had romantic feelings for her and certainly not that he was jealous of Davis in a romantic sense.
Romantic Chlark was simply not there in the episode. It was all platonic.
melissan02
05-01-2009, 02:27 PM
Looks like the concerned choice is winning out in this poll. That's my vote!
Clark is frustrated by Chloe's actions because he has no control now (thanks to her stopping him from sending Davis to the PZ) over a situation that he knows is perilous to the entire planet!:eek:
He's concerned for her, but I detected glimmers of doubt, frustration, and mistrust in his eyes and facial expressions.
Yes, that's why he was heartbroken when she walked down the aisle with Jimmy. Here and I thought he was passionate and angry because his best friend ran off with the world's ultimate destroyer.
:lol:
I know. An intense moment like the phone smashing doesn't have to mean "passion" and certainly not passion in a romantic sense. It could mean anger, frustration, desperation, concern, worry. Or my choice: all of those put together. But romantic passion? Uh...sorry but no.
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It's not about interpretation, it's what writers and producers have said.
But you're right, to each his own.
Exactly. There is no room for interpretation because the script does not support Clark having any romantic feelings for Chloe.
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Jealousy is out of the question. He was not jealous of Jimmy, so why would he be jealous of a murderous monster?
Exactly. And I could understand the jealousy that comes from someone getting a bit territorial on a platonic level, but even then, I didn't see Clark like that in the episode. It was all about Chloe's safety, not his own petty feelings or insecurities.
justme_007
05-01-2009, 02:58 PM
Kind of jelaous yes.... oh god!! the last scene said it all for me!!
Vindellavon
05-01-2009, 03:04 PM
It's a mix of three. He's concerned for his best friend, he's frustrated at the decisions he's going to have to make, and he's jealous of his so called 'brother' who took his tiny blonde with him en route to eternal damnation.
Serynarpc
05-01-2009, 03:48 PM
Thank you. But I'm in agreement with Chloe when she described the ship as "firmly anchored at bay". In what way is Clark not thinking clearly in your opinion? I'm not sure what you mean.
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Agreed. I laughed when Clark explained to Davis v e r y s l o w l y that Chloe could never have real feelings for him.
Yes, there's definitely no Chlark - age. It saddens me as I've wanted it since season 1, but it just wouldn't be right.
I think that Clark isn't thinking clearly because- Phantom Zone? That's a temporary plan for a big permanent problem.He clawed his way out of a kryptonite grave, I'd guess he'd find a way out. It also seemed very likely that Clark wasn't able to get DD through that portal any way, the fight was looking pretty evenly matched.
Agreed. I laughed when Clark explained to Davis v e r y s l o w l y that Chloe could never have real feelings for him.
Tee hee! 'Chloe would do that for any one'.
Keep telling yourself that, big boy.
Polomontana
05-01-2009, 03:48 PM
I watched it again on DVR and I'm leaning towards jealousy. I'm not sure if it's jealous in a relationship kind of way or if he's jealous that Davis has Chloe and he thinks he's losing his confidant.-
Something he said had me thinking it's more than friendship but Smallville is good for mixed signals.
He said even if Davis felt that way about Chloe, she could never care for him.
He said it with tears welling (no pun intended) up in his eyes.
So there may be something there or there setting up an ending where Clark finds out that Chloe cares for Davis and it crushes him.
susangail
05-01-2009, 07:35 PM
Yeah, my immediate reaction was jealousy, which surprised me. I didn't think Clark felt that way about her.
I suppose it could be a type of possessiveness other than romantic jealousy. Their relationship had been a real life-line for him, and he was confronted very suddenly with the possibility that it was over.
Kryptochloe
05-01-2009, 07:40 PM
That was total jelousy, and concern, and fear, and (at list on my eyes) LOVE.... :D
Malicieux Toutou
05-01-2009, 07:46 PM
He's not jealous. If he had those kind of feelings for her, he wouldn't have been pimping Chimmy the last couple of years. He's behaving like a protective big brother.
Kalista
05-01-2009, 07:46 PM
When Clark accuses Chloe of having feelings for Davis you can see the tension in his brow. But when Chloe shoots down the idea of romance and tells Clark it's all for him you can see the tension momentarily leave his face. TW was fantastic in that last scene.
AChloeChick
05-01-2009, 07:51 PM
^^^I LOVE your avi!
Clark ALWAYS shows jealousy over Chloe when it comes to any guy giving her some attention.
With Davis though, it's different. For the first time EVER Chloe has shown just as much interest in Davis as she has in Clark. No one has truly been a "threat" to his relationship with Chloe until now.
The Dark Knight74
05-01-2009, 08:37 PM
He was concerned.
yes2destiny
05-01-2009, 11:15 PM
As a former Chloe/Clark shipper (preferable to Lana) and then a Clois shipper once Lois showed up, I had to see for myself what the fuss was all about. I don't watch much of Smallville except the Clois scenes anyway...so I had to see if there was an underlying Chlark-ness in this episode - uhhhh...I didn't see it. I voted concern.
Considering everything Clark and Chloe have been through the last eight seasons, his reaction was completely understandable. Chloe's been by his side for the most part. I remember vaguely his surprise when she didn't return his calls or something as quickly as he had expected when she first started going out with Jimmy...so of course he's going to be pissed off that she's kept this secret and that she's run away with Davis. I've been that angry before when friends don't make what I consider "wise" judgments. I've never crushed a cabinet, but maybe if I had Clark's power, that teddy bear I threw across the room would have landed on Mars or something.
Being passionate does not equal romance. I know people who are passionate about Cola. I'm sorry...it just makes me laugh a little how people still think that Clark and Chloe are in any way romantic after everything...it's like rooting for Harry and Hermione when the the author herself made it perfectly clear that it was going to be Ron and Hermione...and that's not a diss to the H/H fans: I was one of them. =(
Vergon6
05-01-2009, 11:39 PM
Definitely concerned. I would be to if I thought my best friend was making a foolish decision to run off with a monster-in-training that was designed to kill me, thinking her presence can prevent Doomsday from emerging again. Even though chances are, it will be like a drug, and Davis will develop a tolerance for Chloe, and will no longer be able to contain the transformation.
AndiGirl
05-01-2009, 11:42 PM
I dont understand why everyone keeps saying Jealousy cant equal nonplutonic love. :\
Clark can be jealous without it meaning he's in love with her.
He has always had some what of a possessive attitude when it comes to Chloe. He doesnt want to share his "chloe time." He usually finds a way to let her go a bit....but right now, he isnt willing to budge at all (and for good reason.)
But I dont tihnk it's a stretch to say he was jealous.....he clearly was, but not in a romantic way....in a friend way. A friend who thinks he's about to lose his best friend forever to a guy she just met. Who....happens to want to kill him! :lol:
Inkpen23
05-01-2009, 11:49 PM
I saw jealousy, fear, concern, anger, and frustration on Clark's part. He couldn't stand the idea of Chloe having feelings for Davis and choosing Davis over him. That's why he flat out denied the idea twice in the episode, and then questioned Chloe about it when she called him. Instead of saying, "I don't know if Chloe has feelings for Davis." he flat out dismissed the idea altogether as if to say "she never could have feelings for Davis and choose him over me", which didn't make sense to me because by this time Clark had already seen Chavis interact and he even said a couple episodes back in Eternal that they were moving too fast. Clark saw Chloe go and put her hand up against the kryptonite cage when Davis "died". He saw Chavis share a moment so I don't know why other than because of jealousy and denial he would assume Chloe didn't have any feelings for Davis.
I saw Clark look relieved when Chloe told him she went with Davis to protect him (Clark) not because she had feelings for Davis so, that's another sign to me showing he was jealous. That and the convo between Oliver and Clark was romantic "Davis' feelings for Chloe" so I interpreted that to be romantic jealousy. http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/data:image/png;base64,iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABYAAAAUCAYAAAC JfM0wAAAABHNCSVQICAgIfAhkiAAAAAlwSFlzAAAK8AAACvABQ qw0mAAAAB90RVh0U29mdHdhcmUATWFjcm9tZWRpYSBGaXJld29 ya3MgOLVo0ngAAAAWdEVYdENyZWF0aW9uIFRpbWUAMDQvMDQvM DhrK9wWAAACA0lEQVQ4jbXVz0sUYRjA8e+u6xqlKJUaBZuUh6A fhyCEpUN/QIR0skMh6iHwsKe6lFu4HjpJhy5BS1CsZtDSrYMYdPHUZauDbh cpi7bEH2DOtjvP83aY3dFxxi1hfeAd3nlhPu/zPjPvOyHgKnsQEQDz60kaaKuTuRpqHxqMAKBWvVCoJOjAxqqj6 0Q1Y3fg05dWki/OMjt3+L+A+KklRvs+cia2VhtOTsYpN5wgl4nReTCM6s7o96UyA 6kFkpNK9tZMEFx0B2bnO8hlYky/L5N9V2TDsinbgohi207fFqGxwZDoO0T67nEu9FseAyAMODWuNq C9LczUTBGrKIgqqgYRQdSgqogovy2b8YkCxzqiBBlOxuJ/earqIqqKbMfVsLYuGGMIMnb8KkTUk60HNwapTOqGCYLVDzdGDH 9Km1mKiDOBMe4qmqJbl+g1wu5gtQGFZWHw8gFam/GXoILubwpxf+go336WCDJ8pYh35xkYayZ9J8aVi52+lZgt18VC if7RBeLd+X+XItX7nJHXyvkb6wD8eHOOqekVEuNffZM4icyR6s 34SuGDTx/Jk715D4CTIy959XaFB0/n+Tw2TMu+jUDcMby3vg2yPW4/WuTxtYe0RJd9D9eKmodQT1eOxKVn9HR9qJZ1l3DABgGYuD7sdG R36CZsrFXqeNADhNijX9NfAyI+Sz1Sug0AAAAASUVORK5CYII=
RedKRules
05-02-2009, 12:14 AM
Real Jealousy :D
amalie
05-02-2009, 01:07 AM
I dont understand why everyone keeps saying Jealousy cant equal nonplutonic love. :\
Clark can be jealous without it meaning he's in love with her.
He has always had some what of a possessive attitude when it comes to Chloe. He doesnt want to share his "chloe time." He usually finds a way to let her go a bit....but right now, he isnt willing to budge at all (and for good reason.)
But I dont tihnk it's a stretch to say he was jealous.....he clearly was, but not in a romantic way....in a friend way. A friend who thinks he's about to lose his best friend forever to a guy she just met. Who....happens to want to kill him! :lol:
No one is saying that you can't feel jealousy in a non romantic way, we're simply saying that we don't see it here.
I personally think that Clark's "Chloe time" is the last thing on his mind at the moment. There are far more important things to worry about, like her safety for one.
When Clark's talking to Oliver he's in denial about Chloe's motives, he doesn't want to believe she would chose to help a killer because she has feelings for him. He flat out tells Oliver that Chloe has no feelings for Davis and then tells Chloe that her motives are partially because of her feelings for Davis...he was in denial. He was confused that someone he thought he knew would do the opposite to what he expected. He was also worried and concerned but not jealous. Honestly, if in that moment Clark Kent was more worried about his "Chloe time" than about her safety and the safety of everyone else that could get caught up in this, then he ain't my Clark Kent.
Arwenstar
05-02-2009, 03:39 AM
I think Clark is jealous. When Ollie told Clark that Davis had real feelings for Chloe, Clark turned away petulantly and said, "Chloe would not care for him." It almost made me laugh. Oh, Clark... You poor woobie, losing Tiny Blonde to big bad monster.
Also, Clark accusing Chloe: "Admit it, Chloe, you're only protecting him because you have feelings for him" is basically him wanting Chloe to reaffirm that she doesn't. Why? Because he is JEALOUS. And of course, Chloe reassures Clark that she doesn't feel THAT way for Davis. I bet Clark was thinking, "yeah, of course. I knew that. Phew." ;D That scene was adorable.
Luthorism
05-02-2009, 06:44 AM
He was concerned and frustrated. He'll forgive her for lying to him for sure but he'll realize that he cannot trust Chloe 100% . In fact I think Oliver is a much better sidekick than her. He's reasonable at least.
petitemimi
05-02-2009, 06:52 AM
He was concerned and frustrated. He'll forgive her for lying to him for sure but he'll realize that he cannot trust Chloe 100% . In fact I think Oliver is a much better sidekick than her. He's reasonable at least.
Yeah, because every hero needs a sidekick who is lecturing/yelling at him all the time. :rolleyes:
Oh, and Clark is not jealous, he's concerned. His friend is going crazy, he's not going to be cool about it.
Luthorism
05-02-2009, 06:54 AM
Yeah, because every hero needs a sidekick who is lecturing/yelling at him all the time. :rolleyes:
Doesn't he need to be lectured? :D :D Someone's gotta be pretty harsh and tell him what to do.. Only if Jonathan was there :rotfl:
ChlarkerFan
05-02-2009, 08:00 AM
I love Chlark but I didn't see any jealousy and I'm personally done trying to find something to hold onto in every Chlark scene. They are friends. That's it. Clark was concerned and not jealous, even the jealousy in a platonic way I didn't see. On a friendship level that scene got a 10, on a romantic level a 0 because it wasn't about love or romance, it was all about friendship and seeing someone you love put themselves in danger. Those are my 2cents anyway...
Inkpen23
05-02-2009, 08:04 AM
Well apparently Clark doesn't have a problem with Chloe lecturing/yelling at him all the time since he still goes to her for help. If it bothered him I would think he would find a new best friend/sidekick but hey that's just me. :rolleyes: Its not like Clark never yells at or lectures Chloe.:rolleyes:
Yeah, good luck with that one!
Also, I think if Clark was only concerned about Chloe's safety then it wouldn't have mattered to him whether or not Chloe had feelings for Davis. That would be beside the point because Davis would be putting Chloe's safety at risk. Clark clearly cared whether or not Chloe had feelings for Davis and whether or not she would choose him over her friends, so that to me expressed a jealous Clark.
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wolverine316
05-02-2009, 08:16 AM
It is laughable to think that Clark would be jealous over a monster that was willing to take Clark to the phantom zone with him. Honestly Chloe and Davis are selfish and deserve each other.
SVFancross
05-02-2009, 08:24 AM
I was surprised a bit.
First, I have fully seen that SV teased Chlark for S1-7 and think those that say there was never anything "doth protest too much". But I think they did so with the safety of the "Lana" umbrella to prevent anything from really happening.
I thought this season the new showrunners have done everything they can to take out the "love tension" and "sexual tension" they admitted was there. After Plastique (which is the last time it was overtly present), they destroyed the Fever letter and had Clark clearly show some "puppy-dog eyes" at Lois. Abyss I'll say was ambivalent.
But Clark's denial of Chloe's motivation at the Fortress, his conversation with Ollie, and his final conversation with Chloe put that tension right back into play IMO.
Whatever for? Why are they doing that? I know they are going Clois, they've pratically got it on neon-signs. I'm going to guess that they want to show their bond again before the big fight and this is how they do that. I don't think it's teasing anymore, I don't think Chlark will go romantic, but this episode reinforced that for Clark, he has got to be #1 in Chloe's heart or SMASH. No matter how much Clark may say he just wanted Chloe to be happy -- Jimmy was never taking Clark's spot and not many people "bought it".
Maybe it's just an alpha male thing b/w him and Doomsday -- Chloe commented on it in Eternal. But the show spent too many lines directly on this topic to simply say "he's concerned". Clark showed more than concern and frustration. "I'm going to spend every second looking for you." Now why was THAT line necessary? Seriously.
They amp'd up "the bond" (call it love, call it BFF, call it "more than friends") on steroids in Beast. Comaparing that bond to a normal best friends relationship just doesn't fit. I understand where the "plantonic only" crowd is coming from but without Lois on the horizon, I don't think that holds water. Since she IS on the horizon, I think the "message" was confused at best and at least a temporary re-opening of the previously "addressed" tension.
Maybe this is what Chlarker's were suppose to "wait until next year" for. Maybe they always were going to have some intense episodes at this point. I still think it won't change status quo if both Chloe and Clark are on SV next year but they are dragging the tension out for a spin one more time as far as I can tell.
Kid Collins
05-02-2009, 08:32 AM
To me it seemed Clark was jealous. But jealousy can mean many things. I think he was jealous because he finally realized that he's not Chloe's number one priority anymore. She chose someone else over him. And that shocked Clark. And as far as Clark not being jealous of Jimmy, it's probably because he knows deep down that Chloe was only settling for Jimmy because Chloe couldn't have him. I think Clark never thought Jimmy was competition. But was it romantic jealousy? I guess we'll have to wait to find out.
That said, from what I remember, I've only seen Clark break things in anger, when that cop was trying to blackmail his family in Rogue he punched through the wall or something in their house, in Promise when Lana was getting married he threw her picture and tossed the bail of hay and destroyed part of the railing of the barn and here in Beast.
Ah, so the big thing that will make Lois and Clark fans forgive all in the finale, will be Clark realizing he's in love with Chloe? I'm guessing Clark will realize he has romantic feelings. I doubt they're meant for Chloe, though.
Well considering how PS love to exaggerate how romantic a Clois scene is, I'd wait until the ep airs before having any expectations that all will be forgiven.
Iluvgreen
05-02-2009, 09:53 AM
Best friend... a phyco killer from another planet..... possible attraction. I'd say he was extremely concerned!!!!
tibbit78
05-02-2009, 08:44 PM
Clark didn't seem jealous at all, in my opinion. He looked like he was very concerned about Chloe, and he felt so helpless in not being able to help Chloe at all. Clark doesn't know where Chloe is, so he felt so helpless! That's why he got mad and smashed the file cabinet.
Supsfan
05-03-2009, 12:28 AM
First, I have fully seen that SV teased Chlark for S1-7 and think those that say there was never anything "doth protest too much". But I think they did so with the safety of the "Lana" umbrella to prevent anything from really happening.
Way I see it is we might have gotten 2-3 scenes a season that could be interpreted from Clark's point of view that he might have interest in Chloe but we haven't got many straight out Clark wants Chloe moments on the show.
Of those 2-3 scenes a season, there is only a handfull that I think you can straight out say "no doubt he looks like he wants her romantically", most I find are "well I could see how one might look at it that way but it also can be viewed this way"(as the example used in this thread)
If the producers wanted me to believe Clark is madly in love with Chloe they would have to hit us in the head episode after episode with hints from Clark like they did the first season with Lana.
I must say the worst thing I think the producers ever did to the Chlark fanbase was in Zod when Clark was all serious and wanted to discuss the Vessel Kiss with Chloe, then boom out pops Jimmy and Chloe has this huge smile on her face and plays down the kiss showing off her new guy to Clark. Chimmy was doomed from the start when you piss of the entire Chlark fanbase having Jimmy step inbetween that talk alot of them were waiting for since season 1
superjude
05-03-2009, 12:36 AM
I'm not certain it was jealousy. I was thinking that it was more anger and denial that his best friend would betray him, and that another person who he cares for and considers as an important person to his life and another person who knows his secret, is going to be put in danger.
RedKRules
05-03-2009, 11:56 AM
Well apparently Clark doesn't have a problem with Chloe lecturing/yelling at him all the time since he still goes to her for help. If it bothered him I would think he would find a new best friend/sidekick but hey that's just me. :rolleyes: Its not like Clark never yells at or lectures Chloe.:rolleyes:
Yeah, good luck with that one!
ITA! with you.
Chlark have been friends for more than 10 years ... if you are counting the time since their first kiss....
They care and love each other and are totally comfortable on calling off each other as well when needed, for me it is totally normal that ....
Storm45
05-03-2009, 12:03 PM
Chlark is not my cup of tea.
But I have to admit after watching Clark's convo with Oliver... It can be interpreted as more than just concern. The way he didn't look at Oliver when he replied that Chloe would never choose Davis over...her friends.
I think they're maintaining the tension with Chlark. But its just that. Tension.
Dustmite
05-03-2009, 04:44 PM
Chlark is not my cup of tea.
But I have to admit after watching Clark's convo with Oliver... It can be interpreted as more than just concern. The way he didn't look at Oliver when he replied that Chloe would never choose Davis over...her friends.
I think they're maintaining the tension with Chlark. But its just that. Tension.
You're not the only person who doesn't Chlark to have said that and it pleases me very much. I view Smallville through my Chlark coloured glasses but it's even nicer when other people sit up and take notice.
ClLaLeChFAN01
05-03-2009, 05:00 PM
Concern and frustration.
I totally agree with you there!!!!
SGuthrie27
05-03-2009, 05:25 PM
While I'm not 100% sure, I think that there was definitely some real, regular, honest-to-goodness jealousy in there, mixed in with what was mostly concerned for the well-being of his best friend and most loyal confidante. He definitely didn't like the idea of Chloe potentially having feelings for Davis, though -- he never DOES seem to be too thrilled when Chloe takes an interest in another guy (with Jimmy possibly being the one exception). It certainly makes one wonder...
--SGuthrie ><>' :)--
ms.c.
05-03-2009, 05:56 PM
He was so jealous Clark couldn't think straight. His eyes were red and he was desperate for Chloe to assure him that she wasn't in love with Davis. He was so upset thinking Oliver was right and she was protecting Davis and siding with him because she cared for him more than Clark. Poor Clark. He is so in love with Chloe and he doesn't know how to handle it.
woolanayu
05-03-2009, 07:01 PM
this thread is bias, sometimes u see what your eyes only wanted you to see.
Violet-Shadow
05-03-2009, 07:06 PM
While I'm not 100% sure, I think that there was definitely some real, regular, honest-to-goodness jealousy in there, mixed in with what was mostly concerned for the well-being of his best friend and most loyal confidante. He definitely didn't like the idea of Chloe potentially having feelings for Davis, though -- he never DOES seem to be too thrilled when Chloe takes an interest in another guy (with Jimmy possibly being the one exception). It certainly makes one wonder...
--SGuthrie ><>' :)--
Well, to be fair, he doesn't seem to like it when guys are interested in Lois either.
I think that he is very concerned and frustrated about the whole situation.
By the way, what is "Kryptonian Jealousy??"
SGuthrie27
05-03-2009, 07:27 PM
You're right about that, too, at least in the last 2-3 seasons. When Lois first showed up, it seemed like he couldn't care less who was interested in her, but he's gotten much more protective of her over the past few years. I think by Kryptonian jealousy, they're referring to the fact that he could be jealous that Chloe seemed to be falling for and siding with a Kryptonian (well, a genetically-engineered part-Kryptonian) other than him. I don't buy that logic, really, but it's an interesting theory nonetheless.
--SGuthrie ><>' :)--
AndiGirl
05-04-2009, 01:11 PM
I was surprised a bit.
First, I have fully seen that SV teased Chlark for S1-7 and think those that say there was never anything "doth protest too much". But I think they did so with the safety of the "Lana" umbrella to prevent anything from really happening.
I thought this season the new showrunners have done everything they can to take out the "love tension" and "sexual tension" they admitted was there. After Plastique (which is the last time it was overtly present), they destroyed the Fever letter and had Clark clearly show some "puppy-dog eyes" at Lois. Abyss I'll say was ambivalent.
But Clark's denial of Chloe's motivation at the Fortress, his conversation with Ollie, and his final conversation with Chloe put that tension right back into play IMO.
Whatever for? Why are they doing that? I know they are going Clois, they've pratically got it on neon-signs. I'm going to guess that they want to show their bond again before the big fight and this is how they do that. I don't think it's teasing anymore, I don't think Chlark will go romantic, but this episode reinforced that for Clark, he has got to be #1 in Chloe's heart or SMASH. No matter how much Clark may say he just wanted Chloe to be happy -- Jimmy was never taking Clark's spot and not many people "bought it".
Maybe it's just an alpha male thing b/w him and Doomsday -- Chloe commented on it in Eternal. But the show spent too many lines directly on this topic to simply say "he's concerned". Clark showed more than concern and frustration. "I'm going to spend every second looking for you." Now why was THAT line necessary? Seriously.
They amp'd up "the bond" (call it love, call it BFF, call it "more than friends") on steroids in Beast. Comaparing that bond to a normal best friends relationship just doesn't fit. I understand where the "plantonic only" crowd is coming from but without Lois on the horizon, I don't think that holds water. Since she IS on the horizon, I think the "message" was confused at best and at least a temporary re-opening of the previously "addressed" tension.
Maybe this is what Chlarker's were suppose to "wait until next year" for. Maybe they always were going to have some intense episodes at this point. I still think it won't change status quo if both Chloe and Clark are on SV next year but they are dragging the tension out for a spin one more time as far as I can tell.
ITA with your post. And it was beautifully written!
I call my best friend ( who has been around since I was 5) when I've had a bad day and she'll run over with some ice cream and stay up all night with me.
What Chloe and Clark have.....goes beyond friendship....or takes the "best friend" status to a whole new level. Are they "in love" with eachother...I dont think so. But it's also not fair to merely call them bff's. They are so much more then that.
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this thread is bias, sometimes u see what your eyes only wanted you to see.
All the threads on here tend to be bias. I'm sure if the situation was flipped...and he said all those things to Lois or Lana...the Clois fans would be convinced he was officially in love, and the clana fans woudl think he never fell out of love.
ITA, its all what you choose to see. :o
Raina
05-04-2009, 01:38 PM
After reading this thread I'm not sure I'm watching the same show. To me jealously seems like such a selfish reaction and I didn't see that in Clark at all. I voted for concerned but that is really way to mild a word. He was furious and he was scared to death for Chole! To me, his only concern was for her saftey. It's clear that her judgement is way off right now if she thinks that she can control the murderous impulses of a monsterous, alien, serial killer. Her life is in danger, I think jealousy is the last thing on his mind.
sarcami
05-04-2009, 01:47 PM
Your best friend just ran away with a murderous lien serial killer. Think about it. Would you be jealous because you have deep latent residual feelings about that person or would you be concerned and frustrated by their psychotic reasoning? I choose the latter.
AndiGirl
05-04-2009, 01:58 PM
After reading this thread I'm not sure I'm watching the same show. To me jealously seems like such a selfish reaction and I didn't see that in Clark at all. I voted for concerned but that is really way to mild a word. He was furious and he was scared to death for Chole! To me, his only concern was for her saftey. It's clear that her judgement is way off right now if she thinks that she can control the murderous impulses of a monsterous, alien, serial killer. Her life is in danger, I think jealousy is the last thing on his mind.
The only reason why I personally think there was jealousy....was because he took the time to tell Ollie. "Chloe couldnt possibly have feelings for him. She could never choose davis over.....her friends." It was obvious what he was trying to say. Chloe would never pick Davis over me.
He isnt even willing to entertain the idea for a split second. I dont think this makes him selfish at all....just ironically human! :lol: Clark has always been a bit possessive with the women in his life, and obviously not without reason.
Does this mean he's "in love with her." Not at all....but it does go right along with Clark typical pattern of not being able to be second latter in Chloes heart. :\ (which I honestly dont think he is...but he's obviously going to be questioning her motives for awhile)
Selina
05-04-2009, 02:12 PM
IMO the last time I've seen Clark jealous was in Season 6 when Chloe introduced Clark to Jimmy. After that, zero. Nothing. Zip.
For me the conversation between Ollie and Clark was simply Clarks disbelief that Chloe would do this. Quite frankly I dont blame him. I've a viewer and even I was scratching my head. The Chloe I've come to love over the past 7 year would not have done this in a million years so put yourself in the shoes of the best friend since childhood. There would be disbelief and a sheer refusal to accept that she would pick Davis over him. Anyone would feel that way, male or female. Man or superman. Nothing from that scene indicated any jealousy from Clark's part imo.
Raina
05-04-2009, 02:24 PM
The only reason why I personally think there was jealousy....was because he took the time to tell Ollie. "Chloe couldnt possibly have feelings for him. She could never choose davis over.....her friends." It was obvious what he was trying to say. Chloe would never pick Davis over me.
He isnt even willing to entertain the idea for a split second. I dont think this makes him selfish at all....just ironically human! :lol: Clark has always been a bit possessive with the women in his life, and obviously not without reason.
Does this mean he's "in love with her." Not at all....but it does go right along with Clark typical pattern of not being able to be second latter in Chloes heart. :\ (which I honestly dont think he is...but he's obviously going to be questioning her motives for awhile)
I guess I just took his reaction in that scene as being an issue of loyalty or betrayal. He wouldn't entertain the thought that Chloe would betray him because she has always been so loyal. Jealousy is more of a rivalry thing to me. I think of Davis/Doomsday as Clark's enemy not as someone he is jealous of. But that's just me.
Khyla
05-06-2009, 12:35 AM
The only reason why I personally think there was jealousy....was because he took the time to tell Ollie. "Chloe couldnt possibly have feelings for him. She could never choose davis over.....her friends." It was obvious what he was trying to say. Chloe would never pick Davis over me.
He isnt even willing to entertain the idea for a split second. I dont think this makes him selfish at all....just ironically human! :lol: ...
well you posted exactly what I was going to! about that line he says to Ollie.(my bolded)
And your comment about him being human brought to mind my thoughts when Davis in the FOS told him how CHloe makes him feel human, Like so oftentimes is the case, I think we were hearing it from someone else what Clark is feeling about Chloe.
sithius
05-06-2009, 04:31 PM
I've only read the first 3 pages, but to those saying it clearly showed jealousy and as such proves his love for her (romantically)...
Does that mean if my sister went off with Davis, and I reacted like Clark (I almost certainly would) then that would show I have romantic feelings for her and wish to sleep with her?
I'm sorry but IMO I just really think he does not love her in that way. He loves her, like I love my family, but there are different forms of love out there and I believe Clark does not feel that way about her. It's platonic love. For example, going back to the analogy with my sister. Suppose she was assaulted by a violent mugger. If I showed any sort of passion and anger towards the crime, does that mean I am deeply in love with her? Of course not, and I believe that sort of logic is very unreasonable and entirely untrue.
dlreinke
05-07-2009, 09:57 AM
I've only read the first 3 pages, but to those saying it clearly showed jealousy and as such proves his love for her (romantically)...
Does that mean if my sister went off with Davis, and I reacted like Clark (I almost certainly would) then that would show I have romantic feelings for her and wish to sleep with her?
I'm sorry but IMO I just really think he does not love her in that way. He loves her, like I love my family, but there are different forms of love out there and I believe Clark does not feel that way about her. It's platonic love. For example, going back to the analogy with my sister. Suppose she was assaulted by a violent mugger. If I showed any sort of passion and anger towards the crime, does that mean I am deeply in love with her? Of course not, and I believe that sort of logic is very unreasonable and entirely untrue.
The fact is that Clark never looked at Chloe like a sister...
IloveClark
08-29-2009, 11:13 PM
Concerned and jealous.
jpfort1957
09-09-2009, 04:06 PM
Only concerned, how could he be jealous when he has Lois.........or any other gal he wants!!!!!!!!!
IloveClark
09-09-2009, 06:00 PM
He's not with Lois yet.And he was jealous when she got with Jimmy or any other guy.Non Clarkers don't see what's right front of them.
donnarose
09-09-2009, 06:03 PM
Oh Yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p:p:p:p:p
wellinglover66
09-09-2009, 06:05 PM
Oh no!!!!!!!! Only concern.
Kneel before Zod
09-09-2009, 06:15 PM
Definitely not jealousy. I think he just feels betrayed that Chloe would run off with Davis, and leave him. Clark is used to being the one who protects Chloe,, not the other way around.
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