Changed forever --- how?

[SVFancross]

The last conversation does not seem to imply that Clark, who says he will never stop looking for Chloe, no longer considers Chloe his BFF.

Her statement that everything she does if for him does not seem to imply she has chosen Davis over Clark.

So... all the speculation that Clark will be betrayed by Chloe and drop her as his friend seems wrong now IMO.

Now for those who are hoping Chloe dies, I suppose they will interpret Clark's words and actions differently but I'm really struggling with how "I will never stop looking for you" is negative.

How do you think their friendship has changed?

[miks]

I actually thought it meant they were going to be closer than ever before. Clark has never had to deal with Chloe leaving. He's always known that she would sacrifice herself for the good of the world, but now that he's seeing her sacrifice herself for him and the world he's feeling a lot closer to her. And when they reunite it will be EPIC. hehe

[ZODisGOD]

Clark is so mad that he's gonna ask Jor-El to erase any memories of Chloe from his mind.

[Ella]

I don't think that's clear now. They certainly aren't closer as I think they've always been very close. And they aren't losing their friendship either because they obviously care deeply for one another. So, I dunno. We'll see in the next two eps is my guess.

[ginnyfan]

I think this is just a new situation for Clark and Chloe. She's never defied him like this. And afterward things between them won't be the same. That doesn't mean they won't be best friends but...

[Poyntz]

I didn't get the impression that he was "mad" at her. I think he was fusterated and mad at the situation because he's scared for her.

I liked how he was defending her to Oliver. He understood her more the Oliver did.

[Storm45]

Clark is so mad that he's gonna ask Jor-El to erase any memories of Chloe from his mind.

Ah... Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind. It was great love story. They already ripped-off this movie for Chlark in Abyss.

[BadToad]

Eh, I never thought anything would "change forever". Just another melodramatic bump in the road. I don't expect any longterm changes beyond this storyline and season.

[Supsfan]

Eh, I never thought anything would "change forever". Just another melodramatic bump in the road

yeah what would Smallville be without it's overly melodramatic plotlines that usually seem to end up int he spot they started

[susangail]

Clark had the look of shock and denial. The question is whether he'll face reality and trust his instincts instead of being guilted by someone with obviously poor judgment.

[SVFancross]

Clark had the look of shock and denial. The question is whether he'll face reality and trust his instincts instead of being guilted by someone with obviously poor judgment.

I think that's not going to happen --- I can't get over how some can't see that Clark and Chloe are two sides of the same coin.

Both may make mistakes trying to protect others but both are trying to save people.

[haydenclaireheroes]

The last conversation does not seem to imply that Clark, who says he will never stop looking for Chloe, no longer considers Chloe his BFF.

Her statement that everything she does if for him does not seem to imply she has chosen Davis over Clark.

So... all the speculation that Clark will be betrayed by Chloe and drop her as his friend seems wrong now IMO.

Now for those who are hoping Chloe dies, I suppose they will interpret Clark's words and actions differently but I'm really struggling with how "I will never stop looking for you" is negative.

How do you think their friendship has changed?

i know it is wrong. because in the legion episode she says now chloe must have a pretty bid future in clark's life.

[lm1212]

This decision Chloe has made could be the death of her.

[RedKRules]

The last conversation does not seem to imply that Clark, who says he will never stop looking for Chloe, no longer considers Chloe his BFF.

Her statement that everything she does if for him does not seem to imply she has chosen Davis over Clark.

So... all the speculation that Clark will be betrayed by Chloe and drop her as his friend seems wrong now IMO.

Now for those who are hoping Chloe dies, I suppose they will interpret Clark's words and actions differently but I'm really struggling with how "I will never stop looking for you" is negative.

How do you think their friendship has changed?

Chlark will only get closer ...... if that is possible :p ... Go Chlarkkkkkk!!!

[irongatealpha]

I'm still scratching my head, what exactly changed from their dynamic that which wasn't already built in?

All I got out of that ending

Chloe ---wants to protect Clark

Clark--- wants to protect Chloe

If anything it only solidified that they would do anything for each other.

[alejandrita439]

i think we wont know til later :confused:

[Agent Addek]

Chlark will only get closer ...... if that is possible :p ... Go Chlarkkkkkk!!!

So much freakin' WORD!!!:D

[Jill]

chlark will only get closer ...... If that is possible :p ... Go chlarkkkkkk!!!

Word =D

[Aries83]

I think it showed that they're both selfless people.

However,

Remember last week when he came over to her apartment and saw her getting lasagna out of the oven and said something like "I've never seen anything more than a cookie come out of that oven?"

It was such a strange comment that it implied that they were kind of strangers to each other. I guess I should've posted about it in last week's thread, but even if they may be at adds with each other, they still want to protect the other.

[SVFancross]

It really was a turn-about tonight from the rest of the season. The more I watch the show the more I see Clark "gets" what Chloe. He knew Chloe sent him on a wild goose chase but they were beyond that fight -- he knew what she was about and it rolled right off his back. They are beyond that. In fact he was only shaken about what she was doing when Ollie puts the seed of doubt in his mind. I LOVED his defense of her even with his doubts. And then he just flat out asks her -- no pussyfooting around. He HAD to know. I'm SOOOOOOO glad he did that. Honesty. About what they are really thinking. I swear it only comes out under extreme duress.

He will NEVER give up on Chloe and she will NEVER give up on him. EPIC.

[Doomsday44]

I'd say he can't trust her anymore.

[Smallville Vamp]

Clark is so mad that he's gonna ask Jor-El to erase any memories of Chloe from his mind.

I'll vote for this option!

But I want Jor-El to erase MY memory of her too!

[thehenry89]

we don't know for sure, but clark doesn't seem too pleased with the developments.

[The Dark Knight74]

We won't know until later.

[cloisnlove]

I think I know, but I can't put it into words. I've been struggling to but I can't.

[borednow]

How can he ever trust Chloe again after this? She lied again and again and again, he tried to believe Davis did something to her, but the truth is she deceived him, forced bad choices on him "for his own good" and refused to see what she was doing was wrong.

[Kalista]

It really was a turn-about tonight from the rest of the season. The more I watch the show the more I see Clark "gets" what Chloe. He knew Chloe sent him on a wild goose chase but they were beyond that fight -- he knew what she was about and it rolled right off his back. They are beyond that. In fact he was only shaken about what she was doing when Ollie puts the seed of doubt in his mind. I LOVED his defense of her even with his doubts. And then he just flat out asks her -- no pussyfooting around. He HAD to know. I'm SOOOOOOO glad he did that. Honesty. About what they are really thinking. I swear it only comes out under extreme duress.

He will NEVER give up on Chloe and she will NEVER give up on him. EPIC.

Great post. Clark understood her motivation and that's why he doesn't see it as a betrayal. She explained her actions so I don't think we will have to worry if Clark will trust her again despite popular opinion. :rolleyes:

[vikingjedi]

I actually thought it meant they were going to be closer than ever before. Clark has never had to deal with Chloe leaving. He's always known that she would sacrifice herself for the good of the world, but now that he's seeing her sacrifice herself for him and the world he's feeling a lot closer to her. And when they reunite it will be EPIC. hehe

Agreed :D

[SVFancross]

How can he ever trust Chloe again after this? She lied again and again and again, he tried to believe Davis did something to her, but the truth is she deceived him, forced bad choices on him "for his own good" and refused to see what she was doing was wrong.It's a Chlark thing. Just like him closing his eyes with a tiny head nod when she said she couldn't tell him earlier because he would have stopped her. That was "yeah, you're right". All season they have shut down that level of intimacy, of understanding. Tonight it was back in full force.

Clark totally gets Chloe. Chloe totally gets Clark. This is not a barrier to trust. What I CAN see is them each continuing to keep the other one safe against the individual's wishes but I think with this phone conversation we've put that bit to rest.

"Chloe I'm going to spend every second looking for you, I will find a way to save you."

These are hardly the words of a man who feels deceived. He disagrees with her. He's freaked out about her safety. Presuming she survives this, they will have to come to some agreement but she's drawn the line -- the world comes before her. If he accepts that it won't be because he's mad at her or doesn't trust her but because he's agrees with her and accepts he may have to let someone else be the sacrifice other than himself if it's the right thing for the world.

[Ayanne]

I actually thought it meant they were going to be closer than ever before. Clark has never had to deal with Chloe leaving. He's always known that she would sacrifice herself for the good of the world, but now that he's seeing her sacrifice herself for him and the world he's feeling a lot closer to her. And when they reunite it will be EPIC. hehe

Those last scenes were to quote Clark "way beyond friendship" for Chloe & Clark. That was intense, & Clark's "I won't stop looking for you" with tears in his eyes. WOW!!

[Ljiljana]

IMO, we won't know until the finale, I think. But for me, I can see him now on the path to realizing how much she loves him and examing and admitting his own feelings for her through this.

[BackToTheLies]

To be honest I think it was changed forever in that Clark realises how he gets motivation from Chloe being around because, unlike Lana, she is willing to sacrifice herself for "the greater good".

To me it seems like the biggest indication that Chloe is going to die and give Clark the final impetus to man up and realise people like Lois don't come around every superhero's lifetime.

[Kalista]

To be honest I think it was changed forever in that Clark realises how he gets motivation from Chloe being around because, unlike Lana, she is willing to sacrifice herself for "the greater good".

To me it seems like the biggest indication that Chloe is going to die and give Clark the final impetus to man up and realise people like Lois don't come around every superhero's lifetime.


Labryinth and Bizarro showed us what Chloe's death does to Clark. Her death didn't motivate him. In reality it had the opposite effect. Clark told Chloe that sacrificing herself would not help him save the world.

[BackToTheLies]

Labryinth and Bizarro showed us what Chloe's death does to Clark. Her death didn't motivate him. In reality it had the opposite effect. Clark told Chloe that sacrificing herself would not help him save the world.

I take your view, but at that point, Clark still had the idea of Lana to fall back on. I think it's fair to say that he's been forced to grow up and prioritise since then.

[costas22]

The usual melodramatic attempts by PS3 to promote their show.

[ywm]

Clark is so mad that he's gonna ask Jor-El to erase any memories of Chloe from his mind.

lol!

[Mickey_Bickey]

I didn't vote, because there wasn't an option about Chloe trading her loyalty to Clark for loyalty to Doomsday. Her love is strong for him, and that's the driving force behind her actions. They dynamic has changed forever, because before Chloe always put Clark first even with Jimmy. This is different. Doomsday is coming first in her life now.

[roccanater]

Chloe can no longer be trusted. Her alligance is with Doomsday now.

[AgentChaos]

The usual melodramatic attempts by PS3 to promote their show.

Can't blame them for that. IIRC, none of TPTB said anything about Chloe and Clark's friendship changing forever in this episode.

[Davis Bloome]

The fact he said he would look every second for her and the fact Chloe said she was doing it for him, makes me believe not much of their friendship has changed... Yet. I think we still need to find out, cause I do believe it will have its consequences of course.

[friendsita]

Closer than ever before.
They're the best friends ever in tv history!!!

[SawyerJulietrox]

I chose "We won't know til later."

I've only watched a few episodes this season, because I don't like what they've been doing to my favorite characters.

But this episode was really good- I'm not sure exactly *how* "Beast" changed Chloe and Clark's relationship (it never has changed), because at the beginning they were friends and at the end they were friends, regardless of the lying Chloe did to apparently protect Clark.

Chloe's always sacrificed for Clark so that was nothing new, but I was surprised by Clark's reactions at the end of the episode.

I was a bit shocked at how much Clark was upset at the idea that Chloe could love Davis. I mean he is hot, dark, and brooding, and he is trying to fight his evil side off, so its not his fault- "She wouldn't do that to her friends."- uh, okay Clark.

Oh yeah, Clark slamming the phone, looking at the picture of Chloe, and then that conversation at the end:

"Everything I ever did, good or bad, I did it for you."
And then Clark saying something like "I won't stop until I find you."

If I didn't know better I'd say the episode changed the relationship on Clark's side...but alas this is Smallville. Next episode it will be probably be back to Clois again.

[Kalista]

Oh yeah, Clark slamming the phone, looking at the picture of Chloe, and then that conversation at the end:

"Everything I ever did, good or bad, I did it for you."
And then Clark saying something like "I won't stop until I find you."

If I didn't know better I'd say the episode changed the relationship on Clark's side...but alas this is Smallville.

I think you're right. One of the most frustrating qualities of Chloe and Clark is their inability to admit their feelings unless they are in distress. This is the greatest threat to his relationship with Chloe that he has ever experienced. In Clark's mind he's at risk of being replaced in Chloe's life and her affections. When has Clark ever faced real competition with Chloe? He supported Chimmy because he thought that would make her happy but Clark never put any distance between himself and Chloe. He still maintained 24/7 access to Chloe. I think something clicked within Clark but time will tell.

[salomeg313]

I don't think this will change their relationship much other than him finally feeling like someone understands & can relate to the sacrifices he's made in the past. However, knowing Clark...that will probably diminish in a short period of time as well. He's bound to feel like an outcast forever IMO :)

[justme_007]

I actually thought it meant they were going to be closer than ever before. Clark has never had to deal with Chloe leaving. He's always known that she would sacrifice herself for the good of the world, but now that he's seeing her sacrifice herself for him and the world he's feeling a lot closer to her. And when they reunite it will be EPIC. hehe

ITA with this post. ;)

[wafflles87]

Well, in lamest terms... she frelled up.

[Vindellavon]

IMO, they're closer than ever, but it might just be something else, and we won't find out till the finale.

[Kalista]

I don't think this will change their relationship much other than him finally feeling like someone understands & can relate to the sacrifices he's made in the past.

But Clark already knows that Chloe understands and embraces the concept of sacrifice. She willingly died to save him in Fracture and that's just one example. Therefore I don't see how that could be the change in their relationship.

[Vindellavon]

But Clark already knows that Chloe understands and embraces the concept of sacrifice. She willingly died to save him in Fracture and that's just one example. Therefore I don't see how that could be the change in their relationship.

Agreed. It it isn't love, then what the heck is it going to become? It can't delve into some type of hate, did Clark even sound like he was hating on Chloe during that phone conversation? Honestly, did he even attempt to b*tch out on her for leaving him in the dust and taking matters into her own hands? He had tears filling up in his eyes, if it isn't love, then what is it!?

[Serynarpc]

I'm also confused. Clark didn't go the furious route with Chloe that I was dreading from all of their high school years (like when he discovered Chloe was doing the story or working with Lionel). He seemed to accept it in a mature fashion- which to tell you the truth, I wasn't expecting at all.

I have no idea how this changed their relationship, however. Perhaps its the metaphorical death in their relationship? Chloe's never overtly lied to Clark for her own personal gain before (except for the procedure). Now that Clark knows Chloe has lied, will he weigh her words for falsities?

Personally, it looked to me like Clark still loves her (friend wise). Perhaps it was finally realizing that Chloe made the decision that he should have made. The phantom zone was a crap idea, except maybe staging the fight there to spare innocent casualties.

To me, it seemed like Chloe was more of the hero this episode. Making the tough decision monologue from Oliver playing over Chloe's inner turmoil...

[abbaspice1]

All we have are pieces to puzzle. They are all scrambled up, some are turned upset down and some are covering up other pieces. Until we have the pieces in the correct order, we will not know how this friendship will be affected.

[umm]

I didn't get the impression that he was "mad" at her. I think he was fusterated and mad at the situation because he's scared for her.

I liked how he was defending her to Oliver. He understood her more the Oliver did.

Oh I missed that scene along with ending, care to help anyone?

[Aile]

Its still too soon to tell. They obviosuly both want to protect each other though.

[SnowBird]

Wait and see what happens next.

[AChloeChick]

I have absolutely NO clue, especially with their final scene. Beautifully and amazingly done. BRAVO!

[|Xander|]

Chloe is Clark's sole link to his "I may be Krypton, but a part of me is human, because that's who I grew up with and that's who I care about" mentality.

Didn't Jor El try to tell Clark that everyone he cares about will betray him, and that it's a flaw of the human race?

His fear of losing that link because of someone who, in a sense, is actually stronger than he is makes the idea a bit tough to swallow for him. I think a part of Clark enjoyed the uniqueness of being the only remnant of Krypton is now stripped from him and adds some level of inner turmoil.

The severing of Chlark will reinforce Clark to pursue his destiny and complete the trials on his journey to finally become Superman. There's still a denouement to experience in Smallville, but this step of their friendship is definitely the steps towards the climax of Clark's mental and ethical overall development.

This will make their friendship closer than ever before, but I think it will probably be short lived.

[susangail]

Great theory; Chloe has provided that thin thread of continuity to Clark's previous life.

[Luthorism]

Probably she'll come to her senses and Clark will forgive her.

[Vindellavon]

Eh, give it till next week's episode, or finale?

[Iluvgreen]

Chloe just totally took the biggest friendship step in this episode! She is seriously going to spend the rest of her life with a monster, so that he won't hurt Clark.....

[superjude]

I am going to have to wait and see because at this point I am not at all certain what to think about her actions.

[TheEradicator6]

I can't honestly see how this is helping Clark at all. Eventually Doomsday is going to get out -it's inevitable. Maybe I have a hard time coping with this version of doomsday because it's not like the comic version other than appearance only (aside from davis)... smallville has this way of trying to 'humanize' all of its villains.

Doomsday was bread to destroy - that's what it does. Whatever Chloe is doing is only delaying the inevitable, and lying to Clark all this time to do so is a naive attempt to hold it all together.

I'm sorry for Chloe/Chlark fans out there, but she betrayed Clark. Even if it was to protect him, she openly lied to him (without batting an eyelash).

Then she preaches to him about not wanting the blood on his hands... The Phantom Zone would save them all from Doomsday but Chloe won't allow it because 'Davis' -most likely a facet of Doomsday's personality(?) to protect him from merciful people - doesn't deserve it? Even mental patients who kill people have to pay for their crimes in some way - whether that be in a psych ward or in prison... but Davis gets to play Bonnie & Clyde with Chloe as punishment???

I think many viewers are blinded by their adoration for Chloe's virtues to see the truth - that she is allowing doomsday to live because of a small fraction of his personality that is 'innocent'... Even when Clark, Oliver and pretty much everyone else wants him in the phantom zone or worse.

Chloe, thinking she is protecting Clark, is allowing the one being that can kill him to continue to live on earth - a direct confrontation with what she thinks her mission is.

[AntMagister]

Yes, Chloe betrayed Clark to protect him. A very bad thing. But I don't think that these actions represent a big changement in their friendship. Or maybe yes, so these are the first of many other actions that will make a change.
So: we won't know til later

[Chlollie]

I'm sorry for Chloe/Chlark fans out there, but she betrayed Clark. Even if it was to protect him, she openly lied to him (without batting an eyelash).


Lying, Chloe lies for Clark so many times, to keep Clark's secret. Should she not lie and tell people Clark's secret.

[hero`s passion]

I felt so sory for Clark, he is so trustful and sweet, he didn`t even believe that Chloe could betray him, it was so cruel, his face was so -"I renounce to believe that she can do that to me":(((

[Chlollie]

Chloe should really find out about the mind-wipe.

[TheEradicator6]

Lying, Chloe lies for Clark so many times, to keep Clark's secret. Should she not lie and tell people Clark's secret.

lying to keep Clark's secret safe is different than lying about Clark's 'supposed' prophesied nemesis being in her basement...

let's not throw the baby out with the bath water...

[wafflles87]

Lying, Chloe lies for Clark so many times, to keep Clark's secret. Should she not lie and tell people Clark's secret.

Well, Clark also doesn't tend to go around on killing sprees... Besides, she lied TO Clark. It's not the same as keeping Clark's secret from the world.

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----


Chloe should really find out about the mind-wipe.

Hehe, that would certainly shoot the friendship when it's down coughing blood from the AWFUL beating it took this episode.

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

I think clark is mad right now but he will give her another chance....what chance is she on? 3? 4?

[SGuthrie27]

I think that on some levels they are closer than ever, especially after all the things that Chloe said in her last phone conversation with Clark. "Everything I've done, right or wrong, I did for you," and "If there's one lesson I've learned from you, it's that choosing the greater good is never a sacrifice." Seeing how frustrated and concerned Clark got, and how he vowed to never stop looking for her, it's transparent how important Chloe is to him, and how far he's willing to go to ensure her safety and continued friendship.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[ClLaLeChFAN01]

I agree...it is just frustrating that to watch their friendship go through this! I guess that would be consider great tv. I have loved their friendship from the get go, but I guess every friendship will have their bumps along the way. Im glad they never got together and remand friends for so long and have such an understanding over each other that watching it being destroyed is so hard to watch. I too feel like smashing a filing cabinet!

[topping82]

I think it changed forever because the dream was symbolic of Chloe subconsciously killing her past, her innocence. In a way she was letting go of her girlhood to pursue a life of "passion." It's why she saw a young, dead Clark Kent. And not an older one. And it's why Clark looked at a picture of them being young at the Torch.

Oliver said to Clark that Chloe's changed. This doesn't mean that they can't still be close. It just means that Chloe grew up, and now Clark needs to too.

[cloisnlove]

What I don't get is how everyone can say that they don't see how this will change their relationship. Whether or not Chloe and Clark remain best friends isn't the question. No matter what happens between them, this will change their friendship in some way. There is no way they can go through this, and go back to where they were before. It just isn't possible.

[davidbrenton]

Booh, producers were wrong. They hype the show when they've got nothing. And this episode came in at a big ol goose egg.

[Keyser Soze]

"Everything I've done, right or wrong, I did for you,". So Chloe did not want Clark to have the guilt of sending Davis to the PZ but is ok with Clark having the guilt of anything that goes wrong because of what she's done?

Chloe must have had brain damage from when Brainiac left. Lets face it Davis is immortal, Chloe is not. She could be hit by a car tomorrow or young looking Davis fallout of love once she starts to age, Either way if Chloe really wanted to sacrifice her life for Clarks she would have walked with Davis into the PZ.

Not say it is right but it is logical.

[friendsita]

i think that on some levels they are closer than ever, especially after all the things that chloe said in her last phone conversation with clark. "everything i've done, right or wrong, i did for you," and "if there's one lesson i've learned from you, it's that choosing the greater good is never a sacrifice." seeing how frustrated and concerned clark got, and how he vowed to never stop looking for her, it's transparent how important chloe is to him, and how far he's willing to go to ensure her safety and continued friendship.

--sguthrie ><>' :)--

ita :)

[melissan02]

"Everything I've done, right or wrong, I did for you,". So Chloe did not want Clark to have the guilt of sending Davis to the PZ but is ok with Clark having the guilt of anything that goes wrong because of what she's done?

Chloe must have had brain damage from when Brainiac left. Lets face it Davis is immortal, Chloe is not. She could be hit by a car tomorrow or young looking Davis fallout of love once she starts to age, Either way if Chloe really wanted to sacrifice her life for Clarks she would have walked with Davis into the PZ.

Not say it is right but it is logical.Exactly! ICAM! It's a guilt trip one way or the other as far as I'm concerned! But it'd be better for Clark to take a guilt trip knowing that the Earth's ultimate destroyer is locked away in the PZ, Chloe!:mad:

[AgentChaos]

Booh, producers were wrong. They hype the show when they've got nothing. And this episode came in at a big ol goose egg.

The "friendship will change forever" spoiler did not come from TPTB in any interview or anything like that.

[Tompouce]

I think that's not going to happen --- I can't get over how some can't see that Clark and Chloe are two sides of the same coin.

Both may make mistakes trying to protect others but both are trying to save people.
I agree with you and with Susangail either. Clark is in shock for sure but I believe he will remain the same friend for Chloe. Their relationship will be different, how it can be different after all this ? But it doesn't mean, it won't exist anymore.

[Marissa]

We won't know til later.

[donnarose]

Hard to come up with that conclusion, because dont know exactly what the writers re doing, they just want us to wait for just the right time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p:p;);)