Anyone else get on Chloe's side after this episode?

[Ella]

I've been unsure about her actions all season and even in this episode I was a bit confused by a few scenes but overall I think she reinforced the fact that she is doing this all for the right reasons even if her choices haven't been the best.

I'm officially a Chloe supporter. Anyone else?

[tyson08]

I've always seen where she was coming from. I've been saying, her thinking may be flawed but her intentions are only to help Clark.

[LorelaiG]

nop

[curiosity]

I'm been unsure about her actions all season and even in this episode I was a bit confused by a few scenes but overall I think she reinforced the fact that she is doing this all for the right reasons even if her choices haven't been the best.

I'm officially a Chloe supporter. Anyone else?

Yes, me too. She saved Clark from the Phantom Zone. The minute Clark opened the portal, I thought he was going in there too.

[Diego*Chloe]

Yes I am :)

[Selina]

I've always been a Chloe supporter but she's done alot of things this season that have really annoyed me. I still like her overall but I haven't been able to support many decisions she's made this season. The character seems to have lost it a bit, though at times I can find empathy for her.

Tonight for me was not good. If she truly wants to protect Clark and the world, sending him to the PZ would be the best and most logical thing to do. However I do think she has fallen for Davis, which I think is the main reason she left with him in the end. She must know she cant be by his side every minute of the day. Like I said, she is not thinking straight. She is following her heart and not her mind.

[Cogito17]

Things in Smallville are never quite black and white. I have always seen where Chloe is coming from, but I think her judgment is being seriously clouded by her feelings for Davis and I don't think what she is doing is entirely about protecting Clark.

['Tonio09]

I've always been a Chloe supporter but she's done alot of things this season that have really annoyed me. I still like her overall but I haven't been able to support many decisions she's made this season. The character seems to have lost it a bit, though at times I can find empathy for her.

Tonight for me was not good. If she truly wants to protect Clark and the world, sending him to the PZ would be the best and most logical thing to do. However I do think she has fallen for Davis, which I think is the main reason she left with him in the end. She must know she cant be by his side every minute of the day. Like I said, she is not thinking straight. She is following her heart and not her mind.

You found the right words I was trying to get out, lol.
ITA!

[Superman of Krypton]

There's no reason to support Chloe.

It's clear they're writing her into a hole where she made one mistake and it turned into an even bigger one. She's clearly in over her head (without looking at the spoilers).

They used to do it with Lana all the time.


The theme for this season has been Clark is always right, and Chloe is always wrong. It's probably irritating for her old fans but it's sadly true.

[6-Super-Man -5]

I'm kinda at the edge of not being on her side right now.

[AgentChaos]

With the exception of a couple of times (her deal with Lionel and her pining over Clark back in Season 2), I've always been on Chloe's side, and tonight was no exception.

[Ella]

Well I've never been against Chloe either, but all season long I was just really unsure about her actions in general. Now they made sense and I understand her a lot better. Thus, I can officially call myself a supporter. Whereas before I wasn't sure if I wanted to support her actions.

[aceofclubs]

Feed her to the sharks!

[AndiGirl]

Things in Smallville are never quite black and white. I have always seen where Chloe is coming from, but I think her judgment is being seriously clouded by her feelings for Davis and I don't think what she is doing is entirely about protecting Clark.

Exactly...
I think it's absurd how quickly people want to throw her under the bus. All I can think is "If Lois did this.....or another mythos character...would people be reacting so harshly?"

Give the girl a break.....she's making a lot of bad choices, I cant deny that. Is she the spawn of satan....absolutely not!

She is doing what she thinks is best, like Chloe has always done. Even though I know it's going to backfire on her horribly, I cant help admiring her for atleast trying.

[Sports72Xtrm]

I'm done with Chloe Sullivan. May DD and her disappear forever.:mad:

[chlo-el]

This ep just reinforced what I've always thought. That she has real feelings for Davis and she is doing this to protect Clark. I think if she was just thinking about Clark she would let Davis go into the Phantom Zone.

[hookem91]

Team Chloe! :D

[alienkinfolk]

Chloe's intentions are good. And she thinks she's saving Clark. But you know the saying....the road to hell is paved with GOOD intentions. Chloe's in too deep. poor Chloe.

[6-Super-Man -5]

This road is going to get her killed, if not now, then for sure very soon.

[Superman of Krypton]

Lex supposedly had good intentions too.

He wanted to save the human race from aliens... and then it paved the way to his grave.

[Melekith]

I think this episode helped to reinforce alot about Chloe's intentions. I would kill (no pun intended) to have a best friend like that! I'm going to be honest...I'm a man, not much of one but a man nonetheless. I will cry if Chloe is killed in the season finale.

[Diego*Chloe]

There's no reason to support Chloe.

It's clear they're writing her into a hole where she made one mistake and it turned into an even bigger one. She's clearly in over her head (without looking at the spoilers).

They used to do it with Lana all the time.


The theme for this season has been Clark is always right, and Chloe is always wrong. It's probably irritating for her old fans but it's sadly true.


Thats the only thing that bothers me :mad::mad:

[WildGoatTamer]

The last scene with (excuse me while I paraphrase) " Good or bad everything I do for you" line to Clark completely won me over to Chloe's side. Ultimately she's trying to save Clark and I for one am glad the writers cleared that up. I'm happy that she's trying to save Davis from Doomsday but I'm sad 'cause we all know from the comics that it won't work. Her heart is in the right place, that's what really counts.

[thehenry89]

Not even remotley on her side when it comes to this awful descision.

[EricaIsGr8t]

No matter how much I like Chloe I have to treat her like I would any other character. She says that she is protecting Clark,but no matter how you spin it she is still wrong. So many characters have done things on this show and justified them by saying they were protecting Clark. Ollie blew Lex up and said he did it to protect Clark, however it was still wrong. Chloe killed Sebastian in an effort to protect Clark, didn't make it right. Lionel did numerous questionable things protecting Clark.Look where that got him. The point is I can't be on her side when I wasn't on those people's side when they did their questionable deeds. The whole the end justifies the means mentality just doesn't sit well with me.

[Raine]

I'm right there with her.

[alienkinfolk]

And that's will be Chloe's fate too (the grave)if she doesn't let Davis go. She's so interesting this season. choices choices choices

[tyson08]

Keep it coming cause it don't mean anything. :lol:

We will see when it's all said and done come "Doomsday" even "Injustice" looks like it will answer some questions. It just shows that everyone is far to eager to bring out the pitchforks.

[Poyntz]

I have always been a chloe supporter. I know her decsions might be bad in hindsight but her heart is in the right place.

I personally do not see all this "she's inlove with davis" stuff. I think she cares about him.. But i think after she found out the truth she really doesn't feel like that towards him but puts on an act. When she talks to him.. and says things that are "supportive to him" like "we will go away then" Her mannerizim is a bit offf and not sincere from what i've observed.

[Smalvil1]

Chloe wants to be a hero. Thats the only reason shes doing what she is. She didnt want clark to be the hero and send davis away so she stopped him, then she wants to be a martyr and "give up her life" to keep doomsday atr bay. What a crock [MOD EDIT]. They did the same with Lana in season 6. She wanted to save Clark and be a hero, but ended up [MOD EDIT] it all up.

[miks]

I am forever on Chloe's side and tonight's episode just made it even more clear. She's trying to protect Clark the only way she can. That scene at the FOS was her knowing Clark more than anyone. First of all Clark was about to get his butt pushed into the PZ along with Davis. Secondly she knew Clark would feel like crap if he sent him there, if he gave up on Davis. That's why Clark didn't stop them, that's why he didn't say anything, he knew she was right. Yes everything will go wrong, but team Chlark always prevails!

[queenrikki]

I don't believe she's doing any of this to protect Clark. I think that's the lie she's told herself to make her actions palatable. There's no way that I'm Chloe's side. She just deluding herself and endangering everyone in the process.

[Poyntz]

This ep just reinforced what I've always thought. That she has real feelings for Davis and she is doing this to protect Clark. I think if she was just thinking about Clark she would let Davis go into the Phantom Zone.

She couldn't let Davis go into the phantom zone because he was about to take Clark with him if she didn't show up.

[colibri]

For the most part I've supported Chloe but I had been trying to figure out what to make of her actions and this episode did it and not for the better. She's now the equivalent of Lana and with far more on the line. Her feelings for Davis are messed up and she's not helping Clark and now a lot of people will pay the price.

[AndiGirl]

Chloe wants to be a hero. Thats the only reason shes doing what she is. She didnt want clark to be the hero and send davis away so she stopped him, then she wants to be a martyr and "give up her life" to keep doomsday atr bay. What a crock of [MOD EDIT]. They did the same with Lana in season 6. She wanted to save Clark and be a hero, but ended up [MOD EDIT] it all up.

Yes...I'm sure Chloe is just putting her best friend and the world at risk because she wants her moment in the sun. :rolleyes:

[Smalvil1]

Yes...I'm sure Chloe is just putting her best friend and the world at risk because she wants her moment in the sun. :rolleyes:

if the shoe fits....

[EricaIsGr8t]

She couldn't let Davis go into the phantom zone because he was about to take Clark with him if she didn't show up.

But you know what,as harsh as it sounds. That's what heroes do. They put their lives on the line so that others don't have to. What Chloe did by stopping Clark was put her life on the line along with the rest of humanity,lol.

[Poyntz]

Yes but if he goes in the phantom zone who is going to be mankinds savior in the future.

Maybe i'm reading more into things then there are. But when she died and came back from saving clark after lex died she made a comment is they have to both stay alive and safe. (dont remember the exact quote).. Then she thought that was true because she had a power. Now maybe becuase she feels she doesnt have a power she feels she can sacrafice herself and that clark shouldnt be sacrifice for the good of mankind.
did that make sence? I know what i'm thinking just cant put it out in words i think

[smallvillereporter27]

No matter how much I like Chloe I have to treat her like I would any other character. She says that she is protecting Clark,but no matter how you spin it she is still wrong. So many characters have done things on this show and justified them by saying they were protecting Clark. Ollie blew Lex up and said he did it to protect Clark, however it was still wrong. Chloe killed Sebastian in an effort to protect Clark, didn't make it right. Lionel did numerous questionable things protecting Clark.Look where that got him. The point is I can't be on her side when I wasn't on those people's side when they did their questionable deeds. The whole the end justifies the means mentality just doesn't sit well with me.

I agree wtih this...what Chloe did was wrong, but she had good intentions. Intentions aren't everything however. :\

[EricaIsGr8t]

Lol, Umm..ok, which part of that sentence was sarcastic?

[tyson08]

Go Chloe! :)

[miks]

But you know what,as harsh as it sounds. That's what heroes do. They put their lives on the line so that others don't have to. What Chloe did by stopping Clark was put her life on the line along with the rest of humanity,lol.

So isn't that exactly what Chloe did? She put her life on the line so Clark, who is a SUPER hero, didn't have to. So Clark could go on fighting other villains and protecting the world. She knew that Clark would be able to fight more evil in the world than she would so she sacrificed herself.

[EricaIsGr8t]

Yes but if he goes in the phantom zone who is going to be mankinds savior in the future.

Maybe i'm reading more into things then there are. But when she died and came back from saving clark after lex died she made a comment is they have to both stay alive and safe. (dont remember the exact quote).. Then she thought that was true because she had a power. Now maybe becuase she feels she doesnt have a power she feels she can sacrafice herself and that clark shouldnt be sacrifice for the good of mankind.
did that make sence? I know what i'm thinking just cant put it out in words i think

That makes perfect sense:D.

[Kalista]

With the exception of a couple of times (her deal with Lionel and her pining over Clark back in Season 2), I've always been on Chloe's side, and tonight was no exception.

That's how I feel too. She's never been perfect and made alot of mistakes this season. but her intentions were honorable. I'm happy that she made it clear that Clark and his contribution to the world is her priority.

[EricaIsGr8t]

So isn't that exactly what Chloe did? She put her life on the line so Clark, who is a SUPER hero, didn't have to. So Clark could go on fighting other villains and protecting the world. She knew that Clark would be able to fight more evil in the world than she would so she sacrificed herself.

My point was that, she not only put herself on the line but she endangered more people other than herself in the process. Clark getting sucked into the PZ would have endangered him and no one else.

[Poyntz]

Lol, Umm..ok, which part of that sentence was sarcastic?

Sorry i was reffering to a person that said the shoe fits but forgot to quote it. and then i didn't know how to fix it so i wrote over it opps sorry LOL (not too bright on how things work on the boards sorry ) :)

[Smalvil1]

So isn't that exactly what Chloe did? She put her life on the line so Clark, who is a SUPER hero, didn't have to. So Clark could go on fighting other villains and protecting the world. She knew that Clark would be able to fight more evil in the world than she would so she sacrificed herself.

But she didnt need to. It seems to me she enjoys the attention shes getting by being the only one able to calm Davis. Its very unsettling.

[EricaIsGr8t]

Sorry i was reffering to a person that said the shoe fits but forgot to quote it. and then i didn't know how to fix it so i wrote over it opps sorry LOL (not too bright on how things work on the boards sorry ) :)

Hehe, its cool!

[Poyntz]

So isn't that exactly what Chloe did? She put her life on the line so Clark, who is a SUPER hero, didn't have to. So Clark could go on fighting other villains and protecting the world. She knew that Clark would be able to fight more evil in the world than she would so she sacrificed herself.

Exactly!!! i like you miks lol

[miks]

My point was that, she not only put herself on the line but she endangered more people other than herself in the process. Clark getting sucked into the PZ would have endangered him and no one else.

Clark getting sucked into the PZ would have endangered EVERYONE. Who would be able to protect the world if Clark was in the PZ? What if they both were put in the PZ, but only Davis found a way out? Who would fight Davis if Clark is in the PZ? What if a new villain came by and Clark was in the PZ? Who would protect the world?

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Exactly!!! i like you miks lol

lol thank you; I got what you were trying to say!

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But she didnt need to. It seems to me she enjoys the attention shes getting by being the only one able to calm Davis. Its very unsettling.

She doesn't care about that at all. Why would she? Did you see the look on her face when she was leaving with him? She was petrified.

[AndiGirl]

My point was that, she not only put herself on the line but she endangered more people other than herself in the process. Clark getting sucked into the PZ would have endangered him and no one else.

But its like Chloe said....the world needs Clark. :)
I think it's like Ponytz said....Chloe has nothing else to offer her best friend, and the world...except herself.

The monster....sent to destroy the world....is infatuated with her. Thats the only power she holds at this moment....she's like the pod piper (is that what the guy with the flute who charmed the rats was called? :lol:)

I also wish people woudl realize Chloe doesnt have a script sitting infront of her....showing her how this will all play out. Right now she knows Davis has Doomy inside of him. It comes out when he's away from her.....so solution....dont be away from her.

As messed up as her logic is, I can see why she would think this way. She wants to keep the world safe. She feels her life is a small comparrison to Clarks...and she wasnt willing to risk him being sucked into the phantom zone.

And yes, whether she wants to admitt it or not...she does have feelings for Davis. But she's primarily doing this for Clark and the world.

[EricaIsGr8t]

Clark getting sucked into the PZ would have endangered EVERYONE. Who would be able to protect the world if Clark was in the PZ? What if they both were put in the PZ, but only Davis found a way out? Who would fight Davis if Clark is in the PZ? What if a new villain came by and Clark was in the PZ? Who would protect the world?

Clark has an escape hatch for the PZ, so if Davis got out he could get out. As things stand Chloe's sacrifice has come to naught because Davis it still out there and is still a threat.

[Smalvil1]

Clark getting sucked into the PZ would have endangered EVERYONE. Who would be able to protect the world if Clark was in the PZ? What if they both were put in the PZ, but only Davis found a way out? Who would fight Davis if Clark is in the PZ? What if a new villain came by and Clark was in the PZ? Who would protect the world?.
Chloe just standing in the fortress was enough to waken Davis and allow Clark to throw him into the phantom Zone like a pebble and THEN chloe could close the portal. Instead she decides to save clark from a danger he was never in by removing the crystal.



She doesn't care about that at all. Why would she? Did you see the look on her face when she was leaving with him? She was petrified.

One look on her face vs. the actions shes done the entire episode. I think the latter holds more weight in an argument. Besides, she thinks shes a martyr giving up her life, it would make sense shes a little unselttled.

[Mrs. Superman]

I still love Chloe. :) I dont agree with her actions, but I believe her intentions to be the best. Count me in as one of her supporters.

[EricaIsGr8t]

But its like Chloe said....the world needs Clark. :)
I think it's like Ponytz said....Chloe has nothing else to offer her best friend, and the world...except herself.

The monster....sent to destroy the world....is infatuated with her. Thats the only power she holds at this moment....she's like the pod piper (is that what the guy with the flute who charmed the rats was called? :lol:)

I also wish people woudl realize Chloe doesnt have a script sitting infront of her....showing her how this will all play out. Right now she knows Davis has Doomy inside of him. It comes out when he's away from her.....so solution....dont be away from her.

It's the pied piper by the way, lol

As messed up as her logic is, I can see why she would think this way. She wants to keep the world safe. She feels her life is a small comparrison to Clarks...and she wasnt willing to risk him being sucked into the phantom zone.

And yes, whether she wants to admitt it or not...she does have feelings for Davis. But she's primarily doing this for Clark and the world.

I totally get ya Andi, the point I'm trying to make is that yes she sacrifised herself,but the threat has not been defused. It's still out there and Clark and everyone else are still in danger. She can't be with Davis 24/7

It's the Pied Piper,lol. That was cute,hehe

[mr lane]

But its like Chloe said....the world needs Clark. :)
I think it's like Ponytz said....Chloe has nothing else to offer her best friend, and the world...except herself.

The monster....sent to destroy the world....is infatuated with her. Thats the only power she holds at this moment....she's like the pod piper (is that what the guy with the flute who charmed the rats was called? :lol:)

I also wish people woudl realize Chloe doesnt have a script sitting infront of her....showing her how this will all play out. Right now she knows Davis has Doomy inside of him. It comes out when he's away from her.....so solution....dont be away from her.

As messed up as her logic is, I can see why she would think this way. She wants to keep the world safe. She feels her life is a small comparrison to Clarks...and she wasnt willing to risk him being sucked into the phantom zone.

And yes, whether she wants to admitt it or not...she does have feelings for Davis. But she's primarily doing this for Clark and the world.

Agreed

and you know Chloe has feelings for Davis but can we really fault her for that? We as humans always want the things that we can't have

Just like Oliver put it we do weird things for people that we have feelings for

Clark even showed us that by trying to be with Lana while she had super powers

Chloe is just trying to save both sides

[AndiGirl]

I totally get ya Andi, the point I'm trying to make is that yes she sacrifised herself,but the threat has not been defused. It's still out there and Clark and everyone else are still in danger. She can't be with Davis 24/7

Sorry if I got a bit worked up....people are just taking the "chloe bashing" to a whole new scary level tonight. Glad to see some level headed people. :)

ITA with you as well....but I think at this point, she honestly does plan on staying with him 24/7. I dont know how in the world she thinks thats going to work....but the was the impression I got as she drove away. She has no intention of leaving his side. :\

[BadToad]

Here's what kept me from getting on Chloe's side...

She thinks she has to stay with Davis to keep him from changing, and thats protecting Clark and others? OK, I can get behind that.

She stopped Clark from sending Davis into the Phantom Zone because Clark would get sucked in too? Well, thats really not for certain, but still, OK, I can see the point.

But here's where Chloe lost me...her phone call to Clark, and telling him that she's doing all this for him. That she's sacrificing her whole life because its the only way to save him. And I'll tell you why. What kind of bone crushing guilt is that putting onto Clark's shoulders? She tells Clark not to come after her, and not to find her, yet her own confession pretty much assures that he'll stop at nothing less. Because she told him, its all for him. Which takes the responsibility from Chloe, and foists it onto Clark. Chloe claims that Clark would never have been able to live with himself if he gave up on Davis and sent him into the Phantom Zone (which, *GAG*), but she thinks he'll be fine and dandy living with himself, knowing that she took this step for him? Really? Chloe thinks this?

I have to admit, one of the major things I'm sick to death of on this show is people going to all sorts of extremes, and doing sometimes heinous things, and claiming they're doing all for Clark. In his name. Whether it be killing people, or cozying up to the bad guy, or kidnapping people. I'm really tired of it. And how is this a good thing for Clark when they all KNOW he's going to feel responsible for their choices?

What Chloe should've done was convinced Clark that she wasn't doing it for him at all, but rather Davis. Clark would still have tried to find her, but at least he might not feel like another woman in his life he's close to is sacrificing her life and safety to keep him safe.

JMO

[Poyntz]

Clark has an escape hatch for the PZ, so if Davis got out he could get out. As things stand Chloe's sacrifice has come to naught because Davis it still out there and is still a threat.

Can the hatch be used again? I thought it was a one time thing or else clark would of just went to it with Lois and Kara. Instead they went to the hatch that Kara's family made for her family with her blood.

[WickedJenn]

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I see this is getting tense already.

Please remember rule #10, no discussing of fans/other fanbases, only the forum topic at hand or the show itself.

It's okay to disagree but it can be done without rule breaking.

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[ginnyfan]

But here's where Chloe lost me...her phone call to Clark, and telling him that she's doing all this for him. That she's sacrificing her whole life because its the only way to save him. And I'll tell you why. What kind of bone crushing guilt is that putting onto Clark's shoulders? She tells Clark not to come after her, and not to find her, yet her own confession pretty much assures that he'll stop at nothing less. Because she told him, its all for him. Which takes the responsibility from Chloe, and foists it onto Clark. Chloe claims that Clark would never have been able to live with himself if he gave up on Davis and sent him into the Phantom Zone (which, *GAG*), but she thinks he'll be fine and dandy living with himself, knowing that she took this step for him? Really? Chloe thinks this?

I have to admit, one of the major things I'm sick to death of on this show is people going to all sorts of extremes, and doing sometimes heinous things, and claiming they're doing all for Clark. In his name. Whether it be killing people, or cozying up to the bad guy, or kidnapping people. I'm really tired of it. And how is this a good thing for Clark when they all KNOW he's going to feel responsible for their choices?

What Chloe should've done was convinced Clark that she wasn't doing it for him at all, but rather Davis. Clark would still have tried to find her, but at least he might not feel like another woman in his life he's close to is sacrificing her life and safety to keep him safe.

JMO

Yeah... that's what irritated me the most.

[EricaIsGr8t]

Can the hatch be used again? I thought it was a one time thing or else clark would of just went to it with Lois and Kara. Instead they went to the hatch that Kara's family made for her family with her blood.

Lol,I have no clue,but to tellyou the truth it would have been really stupid of Jor-el if that is the case. "Son, you get sucked in once,you get an out. Get sucked in again and it your problem". Doesn't quite work,lol

[Rafael122]

No. So she's saving Clark by being with Davis? Clark could kill Davis or send him to the Phantom Zone, and everyone is saved.

I don't get her logic at all. Clark could have sent him somewhere and she stopped it. Why?

[Poyntz]

Here's what kept me from getting on Chloe's side...

She thinks she has to stay with Davis to keep him from changing, and thats protecting Clark and others? OK, I can get behind that.

She stopped Clark from sending Davis into the Phantom Zone because Clark would get sucked in too? Well, thats really not for certain, but still, OK, I can see the point.

But here's where Chloe lost me...her phone call to Clark, and telling him that she's doing all this for him. That she's sacrificing her whole life because its the only way to save him. And I'll tell you why. What kind of bone crushing guilt is that putting onto Clark's shoulders? She tells Clark not to come after her, and not to find her, yet her own confession pretty much assures that he'll stop at nothing less. Because she told him, its all for him. Which takes the responsibility from Chloe, and foists it onto Clark. Chloe claims that Clark would never have been able to live with himself if he gave up on Davis and sent him into the Phantom Zone (which, *GAG*), but she thinks he'll be fine and dandy living with himself, knowing that she took this step for him? Really? Chloe thinks this?

I have to admit, one of the major things I'm sick to death of on this show is people going to all sorts of extremes, and doing sometimes heinous things, and claiming they're doing all for Clark. In his name. Whether it be killing people, or cozying up to the bad guy, or kidnapping people. I'm really tired of it. And how is this a good thing for Clark when they all KNOW he's going to feel responsible for their choices?

What Chloe should've done was convinced Clark that she wasn't doing it for him at all, but rather Davis. Clark would still have tried to find her, but at least he might not feel like another woman in his life he's close to is sacrificing her life and safety to keep him safe.

JMO


I see a bit as to where your coming from actually. I think she was talking more out of emotion then with her head at the time. I also think she is very scared and if anything happened to her wanted to make sure clark knew how she felt. Kind of selfish i guess but very human too.

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Lol,I have no clue,but to tellyou the truth it would have been really stupid of Jor-el if that is the case. "Son, you get sucked in once,you get an out. Get sucked in again and it your problem". Doesn't quite work,lol


LOL actually that is something i can almost see Jorel saying!! LOL

[BadToad]

I also think she is very scared and if anything happened to her wanted to make sure clark knew how she felt. Kind of selfish i guess but very human too.

Sure, its human, but it more or less makes certain that her plan won't work. "Clark I'm doing all this for you, and sacrificing everything because I want to save you, and staying with a killer monster because I care so much for you, so don't come looking for me, m'kay?"

Yeah, thats going to work :rolleyes:

[AndiGirl]

Here's what kept me from getting on Chloe's side...

She thinks she has to stay with Davis to keep him from changing, and thats protecting Clark and others? OK, I can get behind that.

She stopped Clark from sending Davis into the Phantom Zone because Clark would get sucked in too? Well, thats really not for certain, but still, OK, I can see the point.

But here's where Chloe lost me...her phone call to Clark, and telling him that she's doing all this for him. That she's sacrificing her whole life because its the only way to save him. And I'll tell you why. What kind of bone crushing guilt is that putting onto Clark's shoulders? She tells Clark not to come after her, and not to find her, yet her own confession pretty much assures that he'll stop at nothing less. Because she told him, its all for him. Which takes the responsibility from Chloe, and foists it onto Clark. Chloe claims that Clark would never have been able to live with himself if he gave up on Davis and sent him into the Phantom Zone (which, *GAG*), but she thinks he'll be fine and dandy living with himself, knowing that she took this step for him? Really? Chloe thinks this?

I have to admit, one of the major things I'm sick to death of on this show is people going to all sorts of extremes, and doing sometimes heinous things, and claiming they're doing all for Clark. In his name. Whether it be killing people, or cozying up to the bad guy, or kidnapping people. I'm really tired of it. And how is this a good thing for Clark when they all KNOW he's going to feel responsible for their choices?

What Chloe should've done was convinced Clark that she wasn't doing it for him at all, but rather Davis. Clark would still have tried to find her, but at least he might not feel like another woman in his life he's close to is sacrificing her life and safety to keep him safe.

JMO

ITA see where you're coming from.

I thought the same thing at first. That this would just be another thing Clark would kick himself for.

I honestly dont think that was Chloe's intention though. She knew Clark would be searching for her....and probably always search for her. I think when she called, it was to say goodbye. to let him know this was her choice, and he should just respect it. Naively, Chloe thought that would work (come on though chlo....in what life time would clark give up on you?)

She got defensive because Clark said "admitt it, you're doing ALL of this because you have feelings for Davis." so her response.....which I will admitt was stupid was..."Im doing all of this for YOU!"

I dont think either of those statements are true. By no means does chloe think she's giong to run off and live happily ever after with Davis, and by no means is she doing it entirely for Clark. She does have feelings for Davis, that she's not fessing up to. Her dream was proof of that.

So I really do think the intent of the phone call was to try and convince clark to let her go. It just got heated and twisted quickly. I was expecting Chloe to say she loved him or something before she hung up...but by that point there was nothing left to say really. :(

[EricaIsGr8t]

LOL actually that is something i can almost see Jorel saying!! LOL

You have a point there! He hasn't exactly been Daddy Warbucks has he:\

[Kschreck]

After her preventing Clark from vanishing Doomsday to the Phantom Zone, I lost yet even more respect from Chloe then I thought even possible. She will be partially to blame when Doomsday wreaks havok in the next few episodes, no doubtfully killing many more people!

[Poyntz]

Sure, its human, but it more or less makes certain that her plan won't work. "Clark I'm doing all this for you, and sacrificing everything because I want to save you, and staying with a killer monster because I care so much for you, so don't come looking for me, m'kay?"

Yeah, thats going to work :rolleyes:

LOL .. as i said i'll give you that one. But i don't think she was thinking straight at the moment LOL.

[xrayvision]

Last week I felt bad for her. This week, I'm having the same reaction to her that I did with Lana---anger. I think it's time to get rid of her. This episode was a bad one for Clark and Chloe really made him look bad. Clark was hardly vocal to point out how wrong and idiotic and pointless her reasoning is. She is a human & he is a Kryptonian who was meant to take on Davis. She doesn't get to choose what happens with Davis or not. Davis came to Earth because Clark didn't stop Brainiac from going back to Krypton to plant his matter on Clark's ship. Therefore he shouldn't take any crap from her. Jor-El told him that no human has business dealing with these matters. Chloe thinks of herself as a god or savior, and she just isn't. She has no right making decisions that can end up destroying the entire world.

[CreamPuffer]

There's no reason to support Chloe.

It's clear they're writing her into a hole where she made one mistake and it turned into an even bigger one. She's clearly in over her head (without looking at the spoilers).

They used to do it with Lana all the time.


The theme for this season has been Clark is always right, and Chloe is always wrong. It's probably irritating for her old fans but it's sadly true.

I disagree with the notion that Clark is always right. His decision to send Davis to the phantom zone is wrong and cruel. Yes, Davis has a beast in him but he is a good person who is not able to control it and sending him to a life of hell for all eternity is beyond cruel. That move by Clark is not a move a hero should ever bestow upon someone like Davis. He should either commit to helping him or kill him. Those are the only two choices Clark has when it comes to Davis. Sending Davis to pz will only destroy Davis the human and empower the beast side of him. Not too mention, there is chance that one day he could escape the zone and by then he will be full on beast in rage.

I do love the "no kill rule" Clark has, because it makes him pure and good. I really hope he continues on that path and ignores Oliver. Although, Oliver is right that Clark will have to make some difficult decisions and with cases such as Davis, death is the best option. Not just for the sake of the world but for the sake of Davis himself. Clark should first do everything to save him and if that does not work then the next best thing will be death. Killing Davis would be the more humane thing rather then sending him to pz.

[ginevrakent]

Here's what kept me from getting on Chloe's side...

She thinks she has to stay with Davis to keep him from changing, and thats protecting Clark and others? OK, I can get behind that.

She stopped Clark from sending Davis into the Phantom Zone because Clark would get sucked in too? Well, thats really not for certain, but still, OK, I can see the point.

But here's where Chloe lost me...her phone call to Clark, and telling him that she's doing all this for him. That she's sacrificing her whole life because its the only way to save him. And I'll tell you why. What kind of bone crushing guilt is that putting onto Clark's shoulders? She tells Clark not to come after her, and not to find her, yet her own confession pretty much assures that he'll stop at nothing less. Because she told him, its all for him. Which takes the responsibility from Chloe, and foists it onto Clark. Chloe claims that Clark would never have been able to live with himself if he gave up on Davis and sent him into the Phantom Zone (which, *GAG*), but she thinks he'll be fine and dandy living with himself, knowing that she took this step for him? Really? Chloe thinks this?

I have to admit, one of the major things I'm sick to death of on this show is people going to all sorts of extremes, and doing sometimes heinous things, and claiming they're doing all for Clark. In his name. Whether it be killing people, or cozying up to the bad guy, or kidnapping people. I'm really tired of it. And how is this a good thing for Clark when they all KNOW he's going to feel responsible for their choices?

What Chloe should've done was convinced Clark that she wasn't doing it for him at all, but rather Davis. Clark would still have tried to find her, but at least he might not feel like another woman in his life he's close to is sacrificing her life and safety to keep him safe.

JMO

It is interesting that you brought up phone calls. Watching this conversation between Clark and Chloe, I couldn't help but think about the conversation Lois and Clark had last week. The contrast between the two is striking and underscores why I love Lois Lane so much. Although the situations were obviously very different, Lois simply asks her hero what he needs. She also listens to Clark and acknowledges the wisdom of his words.

After this episode, I cannot support Chloe anymore, which is really upsetting to me because I loved her so much. I appreciate where she is coming from and I realize the situation is complicated, but she has simply gone too far. Her belief that she knows better than everyone else is insufferable and will now put the whole world at risk, including Clark who she foolishly thinks she is saving.

[haydenclaireheroes]

I've been unsure about her actions all season and even in this episode I was a bit confused by a few scenes but overall I think she reinforced the fact that she is doing this all for the right reasons even if her choices haven't been the best.

I'm officially a Chloe supporter. Anyone else?

since season 1 when i was little i watched this show for chloe. i always been a chloe supporter. Some episodes i got angry with her especially in season 8 but i will always be a chloe supporter even if she becomes the next lex luther. But, the things i hold on to that tells me she is still good is scenes like the last one in this episode. She cried for clark and she had to walk away from him to save him. hey she is the one who says that to save people one life could make a difference. so, we just see she is not a hipocrit. but in the end i hope she kills davis and i want her to get of the ground because she is shoved in there to die. Let her live and save herself. The thing that reminds me of that scene is a quote from heroes "There are nearly seven billion people on this planet. Each one unique. Different. What are the chances of that? And why? Is it simply biology, physiology that determines this diversity? A collections of thoughts, memories, experiences that carve out our own special place? Or is it something more than this? Perhaps there's a master plan that drives the randomness of creation. Something unknowable that dwells in the soul, and presents each one of us with a unique set of challenges that will help us discover who we really are.We are all connected. Joined together by an invisible thread, infinite in its potential and fragile in its design. Yet while connected, we are also merely individuals. Empty vessels to be filled with infinite possibilities. An assortment of thoughts, beliefs. A collection of disjointed memories and experiences. Can I be me without this? Can you be you? And if this invisible thread that holds us together were to sever, to cease, what then? What would become of billions of lone, disconnected souls? Therein lies the great quest of our lives. To find. To connect. To hold on. For when our hearts are pure, and our thoughts in line, we are all truly one. Capable of repairing our fragile world, and creating a universe of infinite possibilities." this quote really tells about chloe she is the middle of this invisible thread she holds davis in place but if this thread breaks or is cut what happens then. Millions will die and clark will die. So, yes we are merly indivdulas in our quest of life but we can see one person can make a differene in meries in actions. that person is chloe because with out her all the threads will be displaced. Then what? What happens to the world? Does the whole collage of threads we like to call the world and the people who live in it break with out chloe. Will davis destroy everyone in the world with out her. That is the perspective you need to take and that is why i will always be on chloe's side no matter what.

[Blazel]

Feed her to the sharks!

:rotfl:

i'm gonna stay neutral on this one

[ginevrakent]

I disagree with the notion that Clark is always right. His decision to send Davis to the phantom zone is wrong and cruel. Yes, Davis has a beast in him but he is a good person who is not able to control it and sending him to a life of hell for all eternity is beyond cruel. That move by Clark is not a move a hero should ever bestow upon on someone like Davis. He should either commit to helping him or kill him. Those are the only two choices Clark has when it comes to Davis. Sending Davis to pz will only destroy Davis the human and empower the beast side of him. Not too mention, there is chance that one day he could escape the zone and by then he will be full on beast in rage.

This makes absolutely no sense. It is better to sentence Chloe to a life babysitting a serial killer and forcing her to abandon everything she loves so she can live a life that might as well be her very own Phantom Zone. So, I guess what I am asking is: Who would you rather get the prison sentence? Davis or Chloe?

[Ella]

Here's what kept me from getting on Chloe's side...

She thinks she has to stay with Davis to keep him from changing, and thats protecting Clark and others? OK, I can get behind that.

She stopped Clark from sending Davis into the Phantom Zone because Clark would get sucked in too? Well, thats really not for certain, but still, OK, I can see the point.

But here's where Chloe lost me...her phone call to Clark, and telling him that she's doing all this for him. That she's sacrificing her whole life because its the only way to save him. And I'll tell you why. What kind of bone crushing guilt is that putting onto Clark's shoulders? She tells Clark not to come after her, and not to find her, yet her own confession pretty much assures that he'll stop at nothing less. Because she told him, its all for him. Which takes the responsibility from Chloe, and foists it onto Clark. Chloe claims that Clark would never have been able to live with himself if he gave up on Davis and sent him into the Phantom Zone (which, *GAG*), but she thinks he'll be fine and dandy living with himself, knowing that she took this step for him? Really? Chloe thinks this?

I have to admit, one of the major things I'm sick to death of on this show is people going to all sorts of extremes, and doing sometimes heinous things, and claiming they're doing all for Clark. In his name. Whether it be killing people, or cozying up to the bad guy, or kidnapping people. I'm really tired of it. And how is this a good thing for Clark when they all KNOW he's going to feel responsible for their choices?

What Chloe should've done was convinced Clark that she wasn't doing it for him at all, but rather Davis. Clark would still have tried to find her, but at least he might not feel like another woman in his life he's close to is sacrificing her life and safety to keep him safe.

JMO

Good post. I hadn't thought about it this way. You make sense. It does seem very hypocritical for Chloe to state that she knows that Clark can't live with sending someone like Davis to an eternal hell and yet she thinks that somehow Clark will be able to doom her to a life with Davis and have no qualms about it. Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. :\

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This makes absolutely no sense. It is better to sentence Chloe to a life babysitting a serial killer and forcing her to abandon everything she loves so she can live a life that might as well be her very own Phantom Zone. So, I guess what I am asking is: Who would you rather get the prison sentence? Davis or Chloe?
But I don't think that's a choice that a hero like Clark should make. It's like who would you rather save? One life or the life of the world? And Clark always tries to save everyone. He never chooses.

[Eeyore840]

No. So she's saving Clark by being with Davis? Clark could kill Davis or send him to the Phantom Zone, and everyone is saved.

I don't get her logic at all. Clark could have sent him somewhere and she stopped it. Why?

Doomsday can't be killed, not even by Clark (and remain dead), so that's not an option. Davis was going to take Clark with him to the PZ. That's why Chloe stopped it.

[ginevrakent]

But I don't think that's a choice that a hero like Clark should make. It's like who would you rather save? One life or the life of the world? And Clark always tries to save everyone. He never chooses.

I never said Clark made a choice. He never even had the opportunity to make a choice. Chloe basically resigned herself to a life of hell by taking away Clark's free will to do what he thought was best for Chloe and the world.

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Doomsday can't be killed, not even by Clark (and remain dead), so that's not an option. Davis was going to take Clark with him to the PZ. That's why Chloe stopped it.

There is no way of knowing if Clark would have been taken to the Phantom Zone. As soon as Chloe arrived, Davis calmed down. If Chloe had actually worked together with Clark to convince Davis to go willingly to save her from a life of twisted romantic torment, then Clark would have been just fine. Chloe just doomed Clark and Metropolis because she has feelings for a serial killer.

[BadToad]

Doomsday can't be killed, not even by Clark (and remain dead), so that's not an option. Davis was going to take Clark with him to the PZ. That's why Chloe stopped it.

Maybe...or Maybe Not.

Here's the thing, Chloe was also in a position to calm Davis, maybe lull him into a false sense of security, and then say "Clark, NOW!". Maybe if she had worked with Clark, instead of deciding that Clark would fail (because, ya know, he's useless and all), they could've actually accomplished something.

Maybe sending Davis to the P-Zone isn't the best solution, but is there a best solution here? Unless there's a cure for him out there, its either kill him, or vanquish him, or Chloe stays with him 24/7 for however long that works.

[rehana/chole]

i am and alwya will be a chole suporter now matter wat crazy store the dum azz of writer give am 2 do. chole is an walway will b my favorite character on sv then clark an ollie not fan of lois or jimmy but i like erica she greata ctress just not a lois. anyway chole supoter no matter wat

[colibri]

Here's what kept me from getting on Chloe's side...

She thinks she has to stay with Davis to keep him from changing, and thats protecting Clark and others? OK, I can get behind that.

She stopped Clark from sending Davis into the Phantom Zone because Clark would get sucked in too? Well, thats really not for certain, but still, OK, I can see the point.

But here's where Chloe lost me...her phone call to Clark, and telling him that she's doing all this for him. That she's sacrificing her whole life because its the only way to save him. And I'll tell you why. What kind of bone crushing guilt is that putting onto Clark's shoulders? She tells Clark not to come after her, and not to find her, yet her own confession pretty much assures that he'll stop at nothing less. Because she told him, its all for him. Which takes the responsibility from Chloe, and foists it onto Clark. Chloe claims that Clark would never have been able to live with himself if he gave up on Davis and sent him into the Phantom Zone (which, *GAG*), but she thinks he'll be fine and dandy living with himself, knowing that she took this step for him? Really? Chloe thinks this?

I have to admit, one of the major things I'm sick to death of on this show is people going to all sorts of extremes, and doing sometimes heinous things, and claiming they're doing all for Clark. In his name. Whether it be killing people, or cozying up to the bad guy, or kidnapping people. I'm really tired of it. And how is this a good thing for Clark when they all KNOW he's going to feel responsible for their choices?

What Chloe should've done was convinced Clark that she wasn't doing it for him at all, but rather Davis. Clark would still have tried to find her, but at least he might not feel like another woman in his life he's close to is sacrificing her life and safety to keep him safe.

JMO

This is a fantastic post. I think this was the last straw for me with her character. I've liked the character and even with some of the things that have happened this season I've been able to overlook it or to believe there was a good reason for this but this episode just pushed me into the decision that Chloe's motivations and actions are ones that are completely wrong no matter what she might think or what excuses she gives. I just can't back up her actions or make any sense of them.

[CloisFan17]

I am totally on Chloes side always will be :) no matter what & this episode was kick ass & Chlavis was amazing

[Ella]

I never said Clark made a choice. He never even had the opportunity to make a choice. Chloe basically resigned herself to a life of hell by taking away Clark's free will to do what he thought was best for Chloe and the world.

No, but you posed the question who would you rather have get the prison sentence and in terms of Clark the answer should always be neither. So I agree with Chloe that sentencing Davis to the PZ would have not been the best choice for Clark to make. It's basically Clark giving up on Davis way too fast and Clark never gives up on anyone, friend or foe. That's what makes him Superman.

[CloisFan17]

^^I agree & I like how you put that.

[ginevrakent]

No, but you posed the question who would you rather have get the prison sentence and in terms of Clark the answer should always be neither. So I agree with Chloe that sentencing Davis to the PZ would have not been the best choice for Clark to make. It's basically Clark giving up on Davis way too fast and Clark never gives up on anyone, friend or foe. That's what makes him Superman.

Yes, I posed the question to you not Clark. What would YOU choose? It seems like you agree with Chloe's line of reasoning, which entails making the choice for Clark. Clark had absolutely no say in what happened in this episode. Clark has the best moral compass of anyone on this show. Why doesn't anyone trust him to make the right decisions?

Chloe tried to justify her actions to Clark by saying that she was saving him from a lifetime of guilt. Well, she failed because now Clark is going to blame himself for whatever may happen to Chloe or to the world, if she ultimately fails to tame the beast inside Davis.

[xrayvision]

No, but you posed the question who would you rather have get the prison sentence and in terms of Clark the answer should always be neither. So I agree with Chloe that sentencing Davis to the PZ would have not been the best choice for Clark to make. It's basically Clark giving up on Davis way too fast and Clark never gives up on anyone, friend or foe. That's what makes him Superman.

Clark sent the disciples of Zod (Aethyr & Nam-Ek) into the Phantom Zone without a thought. And those 2 were like ants compared to Doomsday. Doomsday is a killer who can't be killed and Clark knows it. He also knows there is no cure for him. Sending him to the Phantom Zone was the smartest choice. Chloe wouldn't be able to stay with him all the time. She would eventually get sick or need to get a job or something. And Davis would eventually turn on her.

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Why doesn't anyone trust him to make the right decisions?

We need those who don't trust him and who don't have business acting in Clark's place (namely Chloe & Ollie) to get the heck off this show.

[LorelaiG]

I am forever on Chloe's side and tonight's episode just made it even more clear. She's trying to protect Clark the only way she can. That scene at the FOS was her knowing Clark more than anyone. First of all Clark was about to get his butt pushed into the PZ along with Davis. Secondly she knew Clark would feel like crap if he sent him there, if he gave up on Davis. That's why Clark didn't stop them, that's why he didn't say anything, he knew she was right. Yes everything will go wrong, but team Chlark always prevails!
Yes I ahve to agree with this acsue she knows exactly hw to manipulate Clark letting him think she is doing it for him, he didn't buy it but then she used more of her manipulative ways to make feel Calrk MORE guilty because she is "sacrifying" herslef for him

Thanks Chloe I already can see Calrk on season 9 brooding about your death

[smallvillereporter27]

Clark sent the disciples of Zod (Aethyr & Nam-Ek) into the Phantom Zone without a thought. And those 2 were like ants compared to Doomsday. Doomsday is a killer who can't be killed and Clark knows it. He also knows there is no cure for him. Sending him to the Phantom Zone was the smartest choice. Chloe wouldn't be able to stay with him all the time. She would eventually get sick or need to get a job or something. And Davis would eventually turn on her.

...I agree except that the difference between the disciples of Zod and Davis is that the disciples of Zod chose to kill and serve Zod...Davis really has no choice in the matter. Yeah, Doomsday is a killer, but I feel somewhat bad for Davis who just wants to be a normal guy.

[RedKRules]

I am definitely on Chloe's side, so much for Chloe the traitor huh??????!! :lol: :lol:

[EricaIsGr8t]

...I agree except that the difference between the disciples of Zod and Davis is that the disciples of Zod chose to kill and serve Zod...Davis really has no choice in the matter. Yeah, Doomsday is a killer, but I feel somewhat bad for Davis who just wants to be a normal guy.

But the thing is he can't! This isn't a case of a nice guy with a bit of a dark side. Davis is genetic matter-Doomsday's camouflage while he is evolving.

[jpfort1957]

Not me.

[yomama]

I'm a Chloe supporter, athough BadToad, I agree that her line in the phone conversation with Clark? PEE-UUUUUUUUWWWWW!!! Yes, Chloe is trying to protect Clark, but hello? That little dream she had at the beginning with the hot and heavy Davis action? Ring! Ring! Chloe, this is your subconscious speaking. Pick up the phone.

Chloe's got more than one motivation at work--and that's what makes her such a fascinating character to watch.

[smallvillereporter27]

But the thing is he can't! This isn't a case of a nice guy with a bit of a dark side. Davis is genetic matter-Doomsday's camouflage while he is evolving.

True...but Chloe wants to believe there is a cure. Remember when Chloe was brainiac and everyone said the only way to stop Brainiac was to kill Chloe? Clark didn't give up and I don't understand why he is now. We (the audience) know that Davis will become Doomsday no matter what based on mythos, but Clark and Chloe don't. I think Chloe believes there is still hope and I don't understand why Clark doesn't also see that.

[Aries83]

I can see why some people are upset or on the fence about this.

After all, she's playing both sides. First, she tells Davis she'll do "anything" for him, then she tells Clark that it's all for him. She can't have it both ways, but wishes it could be like that.

The situation is really no different than what happened with Sebastian Kane. She's just taking it to another extreme.

[Doomsday44]

Nope. I want Chloe gone!

[Malicieux Toutou]

if Davis wasn't good looking, he'd be in the phantom zone right now.

[Eeyore840]

if Davis wasn't good looking, he'd be in the phantom zone right now.

What do you mean by that? Seriously, I don't understand what you're saying. Please explain. :)

[DestinyAw8s]

Wow, Chloe was just one big lie from beginning to end in this episode. The only thing that stands out for me as far as she's concerned is her obvious lack of faith in Clark's ability to be a hero or make the right choice. I'm sure this must have crossed his mind, too. Poor Clark, what an eye-opener for him. Truthfully, in past seasons, I haven't really cared about Chloe one way or another, but she's become somewhat interesting this year. She is acting so very OOC and much more intriguing that I have to think that there is more going on than just simple schizophrenia. And I really hope it doesn't all boil down to some smaltzy lovesick angst between her and Doomy. I would love to believe there is more to it than that And there at the end, it seemed to me that she was manipulating Clark's feelings and maybe kinda hating herself for doing it at the same time. I believe another poster, BadToad, had a very good argument. Why would she lay such a guilt trip on Clark; especially since she knows him very well and must realize what her words would do to him? So, what gives? Can't wait to find out. Hopefully, TPTB won't keep us hanging all summer long.

[Kryptochloe]

Always!!!!! :D

[Agent Addek]

Always been a Chloe supporter always will be. Tonight just made me even love her more.

[Eeyore840]

I've always been a Chloe supporter, so tonight's episode didn't make me feel any different toward her.

[quiet_fractures]

True...but Chloe wants to believe there is a cure. Remember when Chloe was brainiac and everyone said the only way to stop Brainiac was to kill Chloe? Clark didn't give up and I don't understand why he is now. We (the audience) know that Davis will become Doomsday no matter what based on mythos, but Clark and Chloe don't. I think Chloe believes there is still hope and I don't understand why Clark doesn't also see that.

THIS so much.

Team Chloe. I'm glad that we finally got a real sense as to why Chloe is doing all she's doing. Like Oliver said Heroes make the tough decisions. Chloe did that.

[topping82]

I've been on her side all season! :)

[NaYa]

It's so easy to judge people from the outside, we always believe that if we we're in that persons shoes we would have done differently, but you never know until you go through it (of course the whole Beast and superpowers does not apply to real life). I support Chloe and I genuinely think she feels that she is doing the right thing and to protect a friend that I love (in a platonic way or whatever) I would do anything to see them safe. Sometimes it might not be the best decision but like I mentioned you do anything to protect them...especially in this case if the world needs him.

[Mary Sullivan]

Chloe is doing it all for Clark, she is a heroine.

[Clarkgirl8]

I'll never leave!!

Team Chloe!!

[Kryptochloe]

She's a heroine indeed... :)

[borednow]

Nope, sorry this episode only makes me more angry at Chloe then I was before... if you loved and wanted to protect Clark you should have thrown Davis into the Zone yourself Chloe. But it's not about that it's about being a martyr... *gags* "I really get to save you this time." being there for him isn't enough, she has to treat him like a baby and like the savior of humanity at the same time. I hate it... this side of Chloe makes me long for Lana to come back.

[lillie_poo_pod]

I've always been on her side. I never doubted that her reasons for doing this was to protect Clark.

[wingster55]

It's so easy to judge people from the outside, we always believe that if we we're in that persons shoes we would have done differently, but you never know until you go through it (of course the whole Beast and superpowers does not apply to real life). I support Chloe and I genuinely think she feels that she is doing the right thing and to protect a friend that I love (in a platonic way or whatever) I would do anything to see them safe. Sometimes it might not be the best decision but like I mentioned you do anything to protect them...especially in this case if the world needs him.


Exactly...if Davis was gonna go in the Phantom Zone Clark would have been there too.

[NaYa]

Nope, sorry this episode only makes me more angry at Chloe then I was before... if you loved and wanted to protect Clark you should have thrown Davis into the Zone yourself Chloe. But it's not about that it's about being a martyr... *gags* "I really get to save you this time." being there for him isn't enough, she has to treat him like a baby and like the savior of humanity at the same time. I hate it... this side of Chloe makes me long for Lana to come back.

Seriously? If Clark would man up and be the supposed hero he is he would have killed Davis right then and there. Chloe only treats Clark like a baby because he still is one, his b..ls haven't grown yet or Lana took them with her because man, if he is the savior of humanity, people be very afraid. If she would have thrown Davis into the zone we would still have this discussion but it would be about, man how could have Chloe thrown Davis into the Phantom zone :rolleyes: She is not trying to be a martyr, but if you believe it then maybe she is but she is not doing it to be a martyr she actually cares for Clark's safety. You must really love Lana to long for her, because Chloe will never compare to the annoyance of what was Lana.

[Bre723]

I think she is torn, obviously she loves Clark and is thinking she's helping him, but on the other hand, she has a thing for Davis and is also trying to protect him.

[The Dark Knight74]

I have been a Chloe supporter for the entire two years I have been watching Smallville and will be until the show ends.

[astronut420]

I was convinced we'd lost Chloe to the pod!version with the Chimmy nonsense. Now that the real version's back, I'm totally on her team.

I love that they showcased that she does know Clark better than anyone and that she was willing to sacrifice herself, not just for his safety (i.e. Doomsday winning or Clark having to tag along just to get him into the PZ) but also for his soul.

She's willing to give up what's left of her life so Clark doesn't have to live with the guilt of taking away Davis' last chance at humanity. That's the Chloe we've known since Season 1; the Chloe who was willing to suffer the consequences of backing out on a deal with Lionel to pay for the mistakes she made; the Chloe who sat on the biggest story of her life when all she ever dreamed of was being a famous reporter; the Chloe who ultimately gave up that dream entirely to protect Clark from Lex. This writer gave us back the character we loved, even if it was for less than an hour. I, for one, am genuinely grateful.

I also loved that the writer was unequivocal in Chloe's intentions and Clark's heartbreak with that final conversation. I expected them to leave things more ambiguous, but they were really clear that she's doing this for him and that it's breaking his heart.

So. Much. Win.

[quiet_fractures]

Exactly...if Davis was gonna go in the Phantom Zone Clark would have been there too.

Yes. People seem to be forgetting this. Davis was all "I'm taking you with me". He was not going to go along voluntarily. And Clark was not going to let Chloe go with Davis to the PZ.

[Ayanne]

Chloe is doing it all for Clark, she is a heroine.

Exactly! Anyone willing to sacrifice themself to save someone they love is totally a heroine.

Allison Mack is one of the best young actresses & she shows Chloe's depth, & love for Clark to perfection!

[Dyanara]

I cried my eyes out at the end. Chloe*Clark moment was so beautiful. I actually think she is more of a hero than Oliver for doing this. I dont know if she is more of a hero than Clark though, it is a different kind of heroism. She is willingly sending herself to he11 for the greater good.
I didnt even care about Chloe during most of her tenure on Smallville but she really is turning into the anti-hero. A complicated character who is willing to make the hard decisions.

[ghaith]

I'll always stand by chloe's side, she has as always done what she thought best, although i would have preferred she didn't lie, she still did the right thing eventually (considering of course as someone said, neither she, nor clark know what doomsday is capable of)

[Chlarkislove]

Exactly! Anyone willing to sacrifice themself to save someone they love is totally a heroine.

Allison Mack is one of the best young actresses & she shows Chloe's depth, & love for Clark to perfection!


Totally agree with this.

[amalie]

No, I'm definitely not on Chloe's side. Her intentions may be good (personally I think they're divided) but that's doesn't excuse the lack of logic in her decisions.

[Dyanara]

I love how Chloe kept jumping back and forth in my mind. At the beginning of the episode she was all in dream lust with Davis then it turns to all being about Clark in the dream. I dont necessarily like that Chloe lied to Clark about Davis being alive again but I kinda understand why she did it. Besides the PZ what exactly can Clark or any of them do. When Oliver said he wanted to call the police I laughed out loud! What does he think the police can do to stop Davis? THe only thing they will do is put Davis in a cell, Davis gets mad and Doomsday comes out.
I think the PZ would have gotten rid of the threat of Doomsday but I do wonder if it would have also prohibited Clark from being the Superhero we all need.

[Ayanne]

No, I'm definitely not on Chloe's side. Her intentions may be good (personally I think they're divided) but that's doesn't excuse the lack of logic in her decisions.

Like Clark with his choice to ask Jor-El to take away Chloe's memories of him - to protect her. That didn't work out, it played right into Brainiac's plan, but it was done out of love.

Chloe is how you write a good, complicated, rootworthy heroine, & AM's performances are those worthy of a Lead Actress Emmy nomination.

[amalie]

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Like <st1>Clark </st1>with his choice to ask Jor-El to take away Chloe's memories of him - to protect her. That didn't work out, it played right into Brainiac's plan, but it was done out of love.

Chloe is how you write a good, complicated, rootworthy heroine, & AM's performances are those worthy of a Lead Actress Emmy nomination.


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Secondly, I didn't dispute AM's acting abilities; I think she's doing a wonderful job with a difficult role. Does that mean I agree with Chloe's actions, no. She's certainly complicated and overall a "good" person but her decisions are still poorly judged in my opinion, therefore I can’t possibly “take her side”.

[Ljiljana]

I've always been on her side :)

It's always been about Clark for her.

[herolee10]

I'm not sure if I can understand Chloe at all...

she says that she's doing all of this for Clark...by being with Davis, it'll keep Clark safe.

But if anything, Chloe should know better by know from past experiences that a person can't change from their true nature (Lex anyone?)

I mean for crying out loud, Davis nearly killed Jimmy and Oliver, and instead of admitting towards her mistake of hiding Davis, she just adds more excuses to the list.

For any human being out there, I think it's common sense that you can't be with someone all the time. I mean, what is Chloe planning on staying with Davis 24/7? How the hell are either of them supposed to get jobs to support themselves if Chloe isn't allowed to be anywhere from Davis?

truth be told, I think the "real" Davis died back in Eternal, and what came back was just..idk..a shadow of himself. I think that the Davis we saw back earlier this season would have made the right choice for both him and Chloe instead of what we saw him do in this episode.

but yea, Clark could have handled himself back at the FOS, he didn't need Chloe's supposed help from that.

[Jack-El49]

Just the opposite. I think the most blatant truth came out when Oliver ripped her at the Talon. How could someone believe that she was doing this all for Clark when she stopped him from sending Davis to the PZ? Because it would bother his conscience? C'mon - other than Clark, who's buying that?

He could have had the problem resolved last night but as a result of Chloe's actions and Clark listening to her nonsense, people will die.

[BackToTheLies]

how are you supposed to be completely logical about things when you're both loving and afraid of losing a person?

[Selina]

She's is doing this for Clark etc etc....surely she should be doing this for the rest of the world. The greater good is what she should be thinking about right now and I don't think she is.

I'm sorry but staying with Davis is not enough to keep the world safe from the beast. What is she going to do for the next fifty years? Stay chained to his hip? What about when she needs to go to the loo or take a bath? If Davis can't seem to control the beast for five minutes on her leaving the house after just a few weeks of living together, what do you think will happen within the next year? It's only going to get worse. Chloe wont be able to leave his side AT ALL! How can she not acknowledge this?

Even if she does manage to contol the beast, there are still no guarentees that he wont emerge. She knows he's the ultimate destoryer so for as long as he's on earth, in her presence or not, he poses a great risk.

As I said before, it's about saving Davis aswell as protecting Clark and the world but I get the impression that she's more concerned about the former. She wants to find a cure. She wants to save him. As heartbreaking as it may be for her, she needs allow Clark to send him to the PZ. It's the only way of keeping the beast away from innocent people without the possibility of it rearing it's ugly head.

Also, I don't buy all this BS about saving Clark from the guilt. That had to be the worst lines from the writers during yesterdays episode. Clark is a man, an adult and should be able to make decisions without showing remorse every single time. It's not as if he was going to kill him - Clark would have been saving billions of lives. There is NO cure. All this talk about giving up on him made me sick. We are talking about the ultimate destoryer here, who will destroy the planet if he is not stopped. The "not doing enough to help him" should NEVER override saving the world, never! It was ridiculous for Chloe to even suggest such a thing. Had it been Lex Luthor, she would have encouraged him to go for it! In fact, I distinctively remember Chloe telling Clark to kill Lex to save the world in Artic - only a year ago.

[joits]

definitely not. what arrogance she has in thinking that she can suppress the beast. we know chloe's character, we know she cannot stay with him 100% of the time. there are situations where she's going to have to leave him for a bit. and then what? who is she to put people's lives in danger by running away with davis and preventing clark from giving him a well deserved life sentence in the phantom zone? her intentions were good... but there's that saying that's so appropriate for this situation... "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

bad chloe. if she dies... i'm sorry to say she got what was coming to her.

[Superboy2]

I think at first she was doing it for Clark, and now its for Davis as well.

[Forever_Chlark]

i've always been on her side. She's trying to do the right thing here

[Mickey_Bickey]

Just the opposite. I think the most blatant truth came out when Oliver ripped her at the Talon. How could someone believe that she was doing this all for Clark when she stopped him from sending Davis to the PZ? Because it would bother his conscience? C'mon - other than Clark, who's buying that?

He could have had the problem resolved last night but as a result of Chloe's actions and Clark listening to her nonsense, people will die.


I agree, and as I posted in another thread her motives are not to protect Clark as she is desperately trying to convincer herself and others but to really to be with Doomsday who she is in love with.

[badraven]

I think Chole is very torn about what she wants and what she is doing. The opening scene showed that beautifully IMO. In her dream she knows that "Davis" is evil, she knows that he is a serial killer and yet...she is attracted to him, has strong feelings for him. At the same time her love for Clark is still there and she is terrified that "Davis" is going to hurt/kill Clark and that she is going to be partly responsible for that. Chole is like a lot of people that keep making a series of huge mistakes. She is too close to realise just how bad her decisions are. She is in a huge state of denial over what is really going on and is desperate to keep coming up with justifications for her actions. She started off with good intentions and now she is so deep in that she can't seem to get out. So she has chosen to go deeper in.

[Sarevokcz]

the Fortress scene was really bad for her tbh.


She KNOWS, that Davis killed after his "death" in Eternal, Clark told her so, thus she cant really control him, even if she is with him.

From that, its clear for her, that Davis WILL transform into DD eventually and will go after Clark and most likely kill him.

She knew, that there is no cure for Davis, apart from her, as Dr. Hamilton said.

If she really cared about Clark and about this world more than about Davis, the moment she showed up in the fortress and Davis was weaker, she SHOULD have encourage Clark to throw him in there (Davis was weaker, he couldnt have take Clark with him at the moment) not stop Clark from throwing him in there, so she had to do it for Davis

Chloe is doing it more for Davis then for Clark imo, no matter how she tries to justify that, if she wanted to do sacrifice for the greater good, she could have sacrifice her love for Davis and his trust in her in the fortress if she encouraged Clark to go on. But no, she sacrificed her friendships with basically everyone else, for Davis and his love, which she knew she cant controll indefinately.

B.A.D. decisions from Chloe, V.E.R.Y. B.A.D, i cant see any way to get out of this if she survives, Oliver would no doubt try to put her in jail after what we saw in Beast, i really have a feeling she will sacrifice her life in finale in try to redeem herself.

[Becc]

definitely not. what arrogance she has in thinking that she can suppress the beast. we know chloe's character, we know she cannot stay with him 100% of the time. there are situations where she's going to have to leave him for a bit. and then what? who is she to put people's lives in danger by running away with davis and preventing clark from giving him a well deserved life sentence in the phantom zone? her intentions were good... but there's that saying that's so appropriate for this situation... "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".

bad chloe. if she dies... i'm sorry to say she got what was coming to her.

Did you not watch the show at all, she believes she can contain the Beast because that's what she has been told and we've seen the proof of that, Seriously do people here just pick and choose what parts they watch- is it like no I don't agree with what I've just seen, so it never happened?

[mysticrose624]

Chloe can contain the beast, but it's obvious that control is beginning to slip. And that he's dooming out more and more frequently. So that means Chloe is supposed to spend the rest of her life joined at the hip to Davis, which isn't so much a problem for me, but it defies logic. they have to support themselves; Ollie won't be cutting her a check anymore, so is it now going to be okay for them to steal and rob in the name of saving Clark from some guilt that Chloe said he will feel?

Not to mention, if she truly knew Clark the way she says she did, she should know that he would never give up looking for her. So instead of being the hero she says he needs to be, he spends his time chasing after her for a confrontation that historically ends badly. The same Chloe who said Clark would have to play god and kill Lex, who lectured him in Eternal about doing what was necessary to save the world even if it meant killing, stopped him from using his OWN fortress to make the necessary decision and I don't for one minute buy that she was doing THAT for Clark. THAT particular move was to keep Davis out of the PZ where he belongs. And I can't support that at all.

[amalie]

Did you not watch the show at all, she believes she can contain the Beast because that's what she has been told and we've seen the proof of that, Seriously do people here just pick and choose what parts they watch- is it like no I don't agree with what I've just seen, so it never happened?


I think the point is she can't control the beast all of the time, there's no way she can be physically with him 100% of the time. We saw Davis losing it when she went to see the doctor, we saw Davis kidnap Jimmy and Oliver when she wasn't around.

[wafflles87]

Actually, this episode got me firmly off her side. I was sort of on the fence, even though I was allready leaning towards "not Chloe's side" but this episode? It catapulted me so far, I can't even see the fence. And if I do manage to treck back to the metaphorical fence, It'll be replaced by a 60 foot high, 20 feet wide concrete wall.

[mjs1973]

Ever since Chloe told Clark that she knew about his abilities I knew that she would do everything in her power to protect him. To me, she understands that Clark is going to become a hero that everyone will look up to and she is going to make sure that he stays his course on becoming that hero. I knew the moment she locked herself in the basement with Davis she was protecting Clark. She had to make a quick decision about where to go and her staying with Davis showed that she wanted to make sure that his Beast didn't come out. It doesn't look too good for her but that was what she wants to do and like Oliver said, she can't be found.

[RaniaLovesClois]

No.

[Degobunny]

After this episode I am on Chloe's side. Chloe is doing everything she can stop Clark from doing something he would regret for the rest of his life. I think murdering Lex has gotten to Oliver's head. Murder is wrong no MATTER how you try to justify it. As for Chloe running with Davis, I still think she is looking for alturnate solutions to killing him or sending to the PZ and condemning to 'Hell for all enturnity.' It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in the season finale.

[Selina]

After this episode I am on Chloe's side. Chloe is doing everything she can stop Clark from doing something he would regret for the rest of his life.

I honestly dont think Clark would regret it for the rest of his life and Chloe had no right to impose this notion on him. Clark is a big boy and he can make this decision without the guilt trip.

IMO it was the right decision. By sending Davis to the PZ, not only was he sparing the lives of 3 billion people but he was also sparing Davis's life. Granted he would become Doomsday and he would live in complete hell but what's the alternative? There is no cure and for as long as Davis stays on earth he poses a great threat to humanity. There is the strong possibility that Chloe's pressence wont be enough in the end and I'm surprised that niether Chloe, Davis or Clark acknowledged this factor.

Clark would feel bad sure but he'll get over it. I don't think he'd wallow in guilt for the rest of his life because he put a mass murderer away.

Like I said before though, this is the same Chloe who encouraged Clark to kill Lex a year ago so it's funny how she's changed her tune when it comes to her beloved Davis.

Again, I'm not trying to bash Chloe. I was defending her last week and found empathy for her character and while I can understand that she is in love and it is a heartbreaking decision for her, her outlook has been clearly blinkered through this whole ordeal. She really needs to get some perspective.

[vikingjedi]

I've been unsure about her actions all season and even in this episode I was a bit confused by a few scenes but overall I think she reinforced the fact that she is doing this all for the right reasons even if her choices haven't been the best.

I'm officially a Chloe supporter. Anyone else?

Definitely, Chloe rocks

[oberyn]

I'm going to distinguish between supporting Chloe generally and supporting this particular course of action.

Chloe's one of the good guys, so I've always rooted for her. At the same time, I think her choices with respect to Davis/Doomsday have been poor ones.

In fairness to Chloe, my opinion of the issue is colored by the fact that we pretty much know Chloe's not going to be able to prevent Davis from becoming Doomsday and causing death, mayhem, and destruction. Still, even if this were some other random genetically-engineered monster, I'm confident I'd still think Chloe was doing the wrong thing.

[Isabel14]

I'm on her side too, because I think she's trying to save both of Clark and Davis..

[amalie]

I'm going to distinguish between supporting Chloe generally and supporting this particular course of action.

Chloe's one of the good guys, so I've always rooted for her. At the same time, I think her choices with respect to Davis/Doomsday have been poor ones.

In fairness to Chloe, my opinion of the issue is colored by the fact that we pretty much know Chloe's not going to be able to prevent Davis from becoming Doomsday and causing death, mayhem, and destruction. Still, even if this were some other random genetically-engineered monster, I'm confident I'd still think Chloe was doing the wrong thing.


My thoughts exactly :)

[monkeyto]

team cloe!!

[friendsita]

I've been unsure about her actions all season and even in this episode I was a bit confused by a few scenes but overall I think she reinforced the fact that she is doing this all for the right reasons even if her choices haven't been the best.

I'm officially a Chloe supporter. Anyone else?

I'll ever support her no matter what.

EOD :)

[Violet-Shadow]

I do not support Chloe in what she's doing. I understand her reasoning for why she's running away with Davis but I think it's a very foolish move.

[hellnback]

during the entire episode i kept saying to myself "why, chloe why". she kept lieing and lieing to clark and oliver and is she really doing it to help clark or does she really have feeling for davis? i kept thinking that this girl was being kinda villiany especially when she was lieing to clark right up front. then when oliver said she was acting more like a villian i was like "yep he's right". what the heck is going on with chloe?

i do remember earlier prior to the season starting that it was mentioned that chloe was going to turn against clark. at the time some suggested that she was going to make a deal with tess and that it had something to do with brianiac. but now it seems that it's just her lieing to clark about davis.

also someone needs to take that disc thing away from chloe. it always seems to be around when she needs it. it also makes me wonder if chloe hasn't used it before to just go to the fortress and take a look around.

[kg1507]

I support Chloe

[Degobunny]

[QUOTE=Selina;4792100]

Like I said before though, this is the same Chloe who encouraged Clark to kill Lex a year ago so it's funny how she's changed her tune when it comes to her beloved Davis.QUOTE]

People change and evolve. When Chloe encouraged Clark to kill Lex she thought she was doing the right thing. But after becoming a murder via Brainiac Chloe obviously regrets her decision to kill. This in addition to Clark refusing to give on her begs the question can you really blame for wanting to find a way that both Clark and Davis can live?

[Krypton935]

Definitely! Chloe is making such a sacrfice to save Clark. She is trying to control Davis to save Clark from having to destroy him and to stop Davis from killing thousands of people. I am definitely on Chloe's side There is no way she wants to be with Davis (that's obvious if you even watched the episode.) she is sacrificing her happiness to save everyone else! How can aynone not support her 1000000%!?!?!?!?!?!

[oberyn]

People change and evolve. When Chloe encouraged Clark to kill Lex she thought she was doing the right thing. But after becoming a murder via Brainiac Chloe obviously regrets her decision to kill. This in addition to Clark refusing to give on her begs the question can you really blame for wanting to find a way that both Clark and Davis can live?

I think it's possible to not blame someone for their actions while at the same time thinking those actions aren't particularly wise.

As someone else posted, running off with Davis in the hopes that she can continue to keep the beast at bay while not expecting Clark or anyone else to follow doesn't seem like a particularly bright move. (And, let's face it, we have a pretty good idea that Chloe's not going to succeed in any of her objectives. Davis will turn into Doomsday, Clark will follow her, and plenty of people are going to get hurt.)

Anyway, it's not like I've never been critical of Clark for some of his poor decisions.

You can support someone (in a general sense) without being on their "side" on a particular issue.

[All about Clark]

^I don't agree. Her dream is that she is aggressively kissing on Davis. Her heart in her dream has her loving him and despising his Doomsday side at the same time. There is no way Chloe can be thinking accurately with love and death on her mind.

I feel that Chloe is making the mistake that will cost her life and even though she says it's for Clark, I think it's more for Davis. I think she is fooling herself completely. She didn't even give Clark a chance in doing the right thing which was allowing Davis to survive in the PZ. He was showing him a mercy that Doomsday would never offer his victims.

Chloe thinking she can save and cure Davis is irrational with what she knows. I think her judgement is completely impaired. And I agree with Clark, that he has to find her and get her out of that situation or she too is doomed.

[BWOracle]

I do feel sorry for Chloe. She has been put in a no win situation and is doing the best she can to work through it (even though we all know in the end it won’t have a happy ending). Her methods may be wrong but I believe her intentions aren’t.

In the end I do believe Chloe is trying to protect Clark the best she can but she is deceiving herself as to her feelings for Davis. Maybe it’s not love but there is certainly lust or why else have the sexy dream about him.

[Ella]

I think it's possible to not blame someone for their actions while at the same time thinking those actions aren't particularly wise.

As someone else posted, running off with Davis in the hopes that she can continue to keep the beast at bay while not expecting Clark or anyone else to follow doesn't seem like a particularly bright move. (And, let's face it, we have a pretty good idea that Chloe's not going to succeed in any of her objectives. Davis will turn into Doomsday, Clark will follow her, and plenty of people are going to get hurt.)

Anyway, it's not like I've never been critical of Clark for some of his poor decisions.

You can support someone (in a general sense) without being on their "side" on a particular issue.

Great post. That's how I feel. I was never against Chloe but I couldn't support her because I was unsure of the motivation behind her actions. Last night (to me anyway) it seemed that she was in fact doing this for Clark and even though I do not agree with all her choices and actually disagree completely with a few of them, I still support her because I know she's still a good person and isn't doing any of this with the intention of actually hurting people, even though that is exactly what will end up happening. I hope that made sense...

[Selina]

People change and evolve. When Chloe encouraged Clark to kill Lex she thought she was doing the right thing. But after becoming a murder via Brainiac Chloe obviously regrets her decision to kill.
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The killing thing was basically an example of how Chloe holds different standards for different people. I'm not suggesting that Chloe should encourage Clark to kill Davis as she did with Lex but I don't see her actions as evolving but rather as contradictory. I don't think her killing Sebastian has anything to do with it in this case. I genuinely believe that she didn't want Clark to send Davis to the PZ because she has intense feelings for Davis and can't bear the thought of him spending all eternity in hell - even if it's the right thing to do. I am 100% convinced that had it been someone else - someone who she didn't have an emotional connection with; she would have supported Clark in this decision.
<O:p</O:p
Either way though, when it comes down to it, Clark wasn't implying that he wanted to kill him so Chloe's actions with Sebastian through Brainiac hold little relevance to this situation. The reason I bring up Lex is because her “views” on protecting the greater good vary, depending on who is on the firing line. Her speech about Clark never being able to forgive himself did my head in. It was sloopy writing. I don't believe this is something Chloe would said. She is smart and level-headed and Chloe of old would not have put the guilt trip on him. I've supported every single time when she's said Clark wasn't a murderer but not this. Clark was putting murderer away and saving the world.

All that said though, I do understand that she is a very difficult position and is doing what she thinks is right. Her intentions are good but her logic is not. As I said before, she is following her heart and not her head. I don't think she's a villian though and I refuse to agree with any post comparing her to Lana or that she's some spawn of the devil. I just think she is being very foolish and rather than protecting the world, she is actually putting the world in potential danger. Clarks plan is far more safer for everyone and she must know this.

<O:p</O:p
This in addition to Clark refusing to give on her begs the question can you really blame for wanting to find a way that both Clark and Davis can live?
<O:p</O:pNo I don't blame her for wanting both to live. Anyone would but there is a different between "wanting" and "doing". There is no cure for Davis, as she's well aware. She must also know that she can't be by his side forever, especially as Davis is immortal. She just hasn't thought this through.<O:p</O:p

[desertcoyote]

I just find Chloe as completely unsympathetic in her current situation. What right does she have to stop Clark from taking Davis to the Phantom Zone? Who is she to risk the entire planet on the dumbest plan ever conceived?

She was told that there was no cure and by keeping Davis with her, it was all on her. To me that includes the blame for anyone else that dies after Chlavis left Smallville.

This whole situation makes me ill because I loved Chloe throughout the entire series until this season. I've watched her just make one bad decision after another and refuses to listed to those who love her the most.

[Davis Bloome]

I'm on Chloe's side. I think I explained myself enough why on other threads lol. Of course I think Davis has been selfish, but Clark also has been more cold than he usually is as he didn't hesitate for a moment to send Davis to the PZ even after his desperate plea. Meaning Clark has become more cold and imo he didn't analyse the situation that well. He made that decision without knowing all the facts and that is rather rash.

[aceofclubs]

I'm not on Chloes side, CK is a big boy who can take care of himself. She should have admitted she had feelings for Davis, the real reason she wouldnt let CK throw Davis into the PZ.

[oberyn]

Meaning Clark has become more cold and imo he didn't analyse the situation that well. He made that decision without knowing all the facts and that is rather rash.

I don't agree.

What facts was Clark missing that would have led him to agree with Chloe?

Chloe's appeal to Clark was an emotional one. Her decision was also based on the idea that Clark, basically, would never forgive himself if he put Davis in the Phantom Zone. It wasn't based on the premise that Clark didn't have all the information at his disposal. That's a decision based upon feelings and intuition, not factual information.

In effect, Chloe decided that rather than let Clark live with a decision he might regret, she'd make a decision for him. A decision that Clark will still end up regretting.

What could Chloe have told Clark that he didn't already know? That Dr. Hamilton couldn't find a cure for Davis? That Chloe had a dream in which she and Davis kissed before Chloe found Clark's dead body?

In any event, wouldn't it be fair to describe Chloe's decision to run away with Davis as being a bit rash? :confused:

[Sarevokcz]

Chloe didnt do it for Clark, she did it for Davis.

either she could sacrifice her love Davis being banished for the safety of the world and greater good, and let Clark send him into PZ (which was easy, once she shown up in fortress and Davis was weaker) or she could sacrifice all her friendships and run away with Davis with uncertain future, since she knew she cant supress his beast indefinately no matter what.

she choose option #2, she choose Davis over Clark.

and i actually believed all those thing she did to save Clark before Beast, but apparently she didnt.

[Davis Bloome]

I don't agree.

What facts was Clark missing that would have led him to agree with Chloe? motif, Clark thought Davis was in control over his actions and did it by his own will. Chloe was just protecting a cold-blooded murderer in his opinion. I'm not even sure how he concluded Davis did the murders himself, cause at first he thought Davis was just the guy who changed into DD who did the murders. Even if he did know this, he didn't know what effect Chloe had on Davis. What I also think is what gives Clark the right to condemn him to hell without even hearing him out. He listened only to a part he had to say and he didn't even seem to care. And yes the decision to run away with Davis is rash too, but that was based on emotion while Clark should base his decision on rationality.

[oberyn]

motif, Clark thought Davis was in control over his actions and did it by his own will. Chloe was just protecting a cold-blooded murderer in his opinion. I'm not even sure how he concluded Davis did the murders himself, cause at first he thought Davis was just the guy who changed into DD who did the murders. Even if he did know this, he didn't know what effect Chloe had on Davis.

Clark didn't just wake up and decide that sending Davis to the Phantom Zone was a wonderful idea. He's the one who wanted to find a way to save Davis in "Eternal".

At this point, Clark knows that Davis is the ultimate destroyer. He also knows that Davis has already killed while under Chloe's protection. He'd also just gotten finished rescuing Oliver from Davis' death-grip.

There's also the part where Davis did make an appeal to Clark in the Fortress. In the end, Davis himself said he wasn't willing to live in a world without Chloe. This was, basically, Davis putting his feelings for Chloe before the danger he posed to the rest of the world. This is understandable on Davis' part, but how is Clark supposed to put Davis' feelings for Chloe above the fate of humanity? :confused:

Anyway, I think Clark had plenty of information upon which to make an informed decision. One can agree or disagree with that decision, but I don't think it was due to a lack of information.


What I also think is what gives Clark the right to condemn him to hell without even hearing him out. He listened only to a part he had to say and he didn't even seem to care. And yes the decision to run away with Davis is rash too, but that was based on emotion while Clark should base his decision on rationality.

Clark did hear him out, though. Also, in an earlier post you were criticizing Clark for being too cold and lacking in compassion.


Of course I think Davis has been selfish, but Clark also has been more cold than he usually is as he didn't hesitate for a moment to send Davis to the PZ even after his desperate plea.

I just don't understand how Clark becomes the bad guy in all of this for reaching the difficult decision that Davis should be banished to the Phantom Zone.

[desertcoyote]

I thought Clark had listened to Jimmy's side about the break up concerning Davis. Clark knew something wasn't right about Davis and now he has Jimmy's story about his break up with Chloe. I'm sure Jimmy mentioned that Davis was murdering people. Then he sees Davis trying to kill himself. Suddenly he finds Davis at Chloe's place about to kill Oliver. Yeah I wonder why Clark made the decision to imprison Davis in the Phantom Zone. The only piece of evidence that Clark is missing to make his decision 100% inarguable is Davis targeting certain people to keep the monster at bay. So in the end, Davis was still killing people to keep Doomsday from slaughtering more people. Real hero there...

[oberyn]

I thought Clark had listened to Jimmy's side about the break up concerning Davis. Clark knew something wasn't right about Davis and now he has Jimmy's story about his break up with Chloe. I'm sure Jimmy mentioned that Davis was murdering people. Then he sees Davis trying to kill himself. Suddenly he finds Davis at Chloe's place about to kill Oliver. Yeah I wonder why Clark made the decision to imprison Davis in the Phantom Zone.

That's what I've been trying to say. It's not as if Clark walked in on Chloe and Davis having a picnic lunch. :rolleyes:

[jaime,oburg]

Lana marrying Lex = Protecting Clark
Chloe running away with Davis = Protecting Clark
Next season the writers will continue this logic with Lois having Darkseid's love child for continuity. Opps! I should have posted in spoiler section. ;)
With that said I have to admit I really am liking the Davis Bloome storyline for S8. I look forward to the Doomsday finale.

[Davis Bloome]

You misunderstand me, Clark is not the bad guy in this. It was a tough decision to take. A rash one, but a necessary one. It was a bit cold imo cause I think he should have waited for Chloe. He is breaking their relationship apart and if Chloe can make him human, then maybe there was hope after all. He couldn't know as Chloe wasn't there. Yes another murder happened while Davis was with Chloe, but he could at least have searched out if there a reason, if that murder was an exception and I think it probably was. Now of course he still has to take the fate of humanity into consideration. But condemning him to an eternal hell is worse than death. And Davis seemed to think the same, cause he was willingly enough to die, but a life without Chloe was too much to ask. Did Clark ever thought about that cause he thought he was giving Davis a solution while Davis just got a life in hell presented.

[oberyn]

Lana marrying Lex = Protecting Clark
Chloe running away with Davis = Protecting Clark
Next season the writers will continue this logic with Lois having Darkseid's love child for continuity. Opps! I should have posted in spoiler section. ;)

With Clark always ending up blaming himself for their actions. :lol:

Clark: If only I hadn't stood up Lois when she wanted to meet me for coffee, she'd never have ended up with Darkseid.

[superhippie2000]

i think chloes trying to help cause she want to save clark but no matter what its not going to work. eventually wether its a day or 100 years chloe will die but doomy and clark will still be alive. i think chloeshould let clark just send doomy to the zone since it will delay any issuses with him so they have time to figure out a way to kill him. even in the zone doomy would get killed by phantoms and his powers gone but being an evolver he will soon be able to regian his powers and stuff in the zone and break out. so anyway back to chloe i can understand her choices but she isnt really seeing the big picture. also what if doomsday stops loving chloe i mean its a 9 month crush or whatever. it can always end then what will chloe do.

[quiet_fractures]

Definitely! Chloe is making such a sacrfice to save Clark. She is trying to control Davis to save Clark from having to destroy him and to stop Davis from killing thousands of people. I am definitely on Chloe's side There is no way she wants to be with Davis (that's obvious if you even watched the episode.) she is sacrificing her happiness to save everyone else! How can aynone not support her 1000000%!?!?!?!?!?!

ITA.

I mean did people not see her face when she was getting in the car at the end. She obviously was not happy and didn't want to be with Davis. She told the doctor that she didn't want to play her last card. She was visibly not okay with what she was doing but like she said she was doing it for Clark, for the the world. Clark doesn't want to kill Davis, and the PZ solution well Davis was not going to go in without a fight. It's not like Chloe FORCED Clark not to send him there. She talked to him and he seemed to agree.

[Davis Bloome]

No Clark didn't agree, he just couldn't do anything against a friend. If she thought that everything would be good for Clark and for the world, then she would have let Clark put him in the Phantom Zone. Indeed she isn't happy about the situation in the end, cause they were forced to leave, cause she can't leave Davis, but on the other hand, she can't stay in smallville. So she chose Davis above her friends in another sense. If she purely wanted to protect Clark again she would have allowed Clark to put him in the PZ.

[oberyn]

You misunderstand me, Clark is not the bad guy in this. It was a tough decision to take. A rash one, but a necessary one. It was a bit cold imo cause I think he should have waited for Chloe. He is breaking their relationship apart and if Chloe can make him human, then maybe there was hope after all.

So not only is Davis' life more important than the lives of his victims, but Chloe and Davis' relationship itself is more important? I just can't agree with you here.


He couldn't know as Chloe wasn't there. Yes another murder happened while Davis was with Chloe, but he could at least have searched out if there a reason, if that murder was an exception and I think it probably was.

Davis' track record is horrible. Davis' track record with Chloe watching over him is better, but better hardly equals good. Again, one of Bruno Manheim's henchmen ended up dead (and I really hope we're not arguing that this was a good thing. Superman's not a vigilante) and Clark just barely arrived in time to stop Davis from killing Oliver.


Now of course he still has to take the fate of humanity into consideration. But condemning him to an eternal hell is worse than death.

All things being equal, Clark wasn't in favor of killing Davis in "Eternal". At this point, though, why would it be preferable for Davis to extinguish humanity rather than send Davis to the Phantom Zone?


And Davis seemed to think the same, cause he was willingly enough to die, but a life without Chloe was too much to ask. Did Clark ever thought about that cause he thought he was giving Davis a solution while Davis just got a life in hell presented.

Again, aren't there other considerations besides the bad guy's feelings? I mean, I'm sure Zod didn't really appreciate what Clark did to him in the Season 6 premiere either. And the same holds true for the other phantoms and zoners. After all the zoner in "Wither" simply wanted to procreate. Was Clark just being selfish by putting the needs of humanity over the needs of "Gloria"? :lol:

[justme_007]

I am with Chloe. Her sacrifice is a proof of this legend friendship ;)

[Davis Bloome]

So not only is Davis' life more important than the lives of his victims, but Chloe and Davis' relationship itself is more important? I just can't agree with you here.
No, but it is something to take into consideration when you're convicting someone to hell. If you don't even care about what only your judgement is, not what your friends think... Well that's selfish and playing God.



Davis' track record is horrible. Davis' track record with Chloe watching over him is better, but better hardly equals good. Again, one of Bruno Manheim's henchmen ended up dead (and I really hope we're not arguing that this was a good thing. Superman's not a vigilante) and Clark just barely arrived in time to stop Davis from killing Oliver. Again it's about motif. Btw things were much better when he lived with Chloe. The situation wasn't fantastic, but he didn't need to kill someone everyday. One victim over possible dozens other is better. It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing... Again something to take into consideration. The killing of Oliver... Again motif. Allowing the beast coming out and let it kill both of them and possibly more. Or kill one of them to tame the beast. That doesn't make it right, but it's a better end result.


Again, aren't there other considerations besides the bad guy's feelings? I mean, I'm sure Zod didn't really appreciate what Clark did to him in the Season 6 premiere either. And the same holds true for the other phantoms and zoners. After all the zoner in "Wither" simply wanted to procreate. Was Clark just being selfish by putting the needs of humanity over the needs of "Gloria"? :lol: Comparing Davis to Zod, that's a bit OTT, don't you think. Zod is absolute evil. Davis imo is not evil except seriously misguided, making one wrong decision after the other. There's the difference.

[Vindellavon]

I've been on Chloe's side, and Beast gave me proof that I ought to stay here. Oh, I'm staying here, alright. Oliver's lost his marbles, his quest to kill is getting on my nerves. Jimmy played 'the fallen,' which was fine 'till he accepted Oliver's offer. Something nasty will go down between the two. As for Clark, for the first time in a long time, I'm actually looking forward to his future actions.

[oberyn]

No, but it is something to take into consideration when you're convicting someone to hell. If you don't even care about what only your judgement is, not what your friends think... Well that's selfish and playing God.

Something Chloe specifically told Clark he might have to start doing.

Chloe, in "Quest"


Whether you like being on this pedestal or not, you were put in this position. And some day, you're gonna have to play God.

She didn't add "except when you're talking about sending Davis Bloome to the Phantom Zone."


Again it's about motif. Btw things were much better when he lived with Chloe. The situation wasn't fantastic, but he didn't need to kill someone everyday. One victim over possible dozens other is better. It's not perfect, but it's better than nothing...

It's not better than no victims, though. Again, it's not as if Clark was just stirring up trouble or posing a hypothetical scenario. Davis had already killed under Chloe's watch and Clark had to stop him from killing Oliver.


Again motif. Allowing the beast coming out and let it kill both of them and possibly more. Or kill one of them to tame the beast. That doesn't make it right, but it's a better end result.

Which is letting Davis (and to an extent Chloe) play God. It's also picking and choosing who lives and who dies for reasons that are pretty selfish. Wasn't this what you were saying Clark doesn't have the right to do. :confused:

And call me crazy, but I've got a feeling that Oliver (and any of Davis' future victims) might disagree that this is somehow a "better" result than Davis going to the Phantom Zone. ;)


Comparing Davis to Zod, that's a bit OTT, don't you think.

The emoticon was meant to convey a certain degree of sarcasm.

[Smallville Vamp]

Nope not on Chloe's side from here on out!

[MrZeppo]

Chloe's actions have been portrayed as purposefully grey by the writers. They said so themselves. They want us debating if her intentions are good or not.

Personally last night clinched it for me. It's obvious to me that everything Chloe has done has been to protect Clark. I don't doubt that she cares about Davis, is even attracted to him, but I don't think she's in love with him. She didn't want to leave Smallville. She doesn't want to harbor Doomsday, but she has no choice. She was backed into a corner because of Davis. Right now the only thing that can stop the killing is her. And because Davis wouldn't stay in the basement, because he's being hunted by the authorities, and it really was her "last card" to play.

We saw it ourself with Emil Hamilton, she was asking him to find a cure so she doesn't have to keep doing this.

In my eyes I think she's right. She was trying to save Davis from what she sees as a horrible affliction. She doesn't see Davis as completely doomed yet. She wanted to give him a chance to be "saved" because she is a good person at heart. She believes in second chances. Davis isn't a cut and dry badguy who wants to kill, he's forced to kill.

When she was advocating killing Lex last season it was because of Clark. Because she didn't want to see Clark get hurt. And not for nothing, Lex was already on his millionth chance already. She knew he wouldn't change, while with Davis they hadn't even really explored the possibilities. I mean really, what if there was a cure out there and they didn't know it?

Clark was going to send Davis to the PZ and that decision would have eaten him up. I agree with Chloe. Because he has blamed himself for almost everything. It isn't the same situation as Baern and the other zoners who were clear cut badguys. And regardless what anyone says, Chloe put Clark in his place and reminded him of who he is. That's why he didn't stop Chloe, because he knew she was right. He hadn't even given Davis a chance to save himself. If he though she was really wrong he could have supersped and taken the crystal back, activated the portal again, and thrown depowered Davis inside within the blink of an eye. But he paused because he knew she was right.

It's easy to say, "Oh send Doomy to the PZ! He's doomed!" But that's the benefit we have as the audience, we have that knowledge. They don't. Not to mention what it would have meant for the zoners. With all we know, it's likely Doomsday would have ripped through all the zoners. Is it right for Clark to send Davis to a place where he will kill, kill, and kill some more?

But the phonecall in the end really showed me the nobility of Chloe's situation. She was willing to sacrifice herself, her life, her future just to keep Doomsday at bay. To protect Clark. This is all about protecting Clark. The lies, the running away, everything is centered in her desire to protect him. It wasn't like she was giddy at the end of the episode making out with Davis in the car and driving out of Smallville. She looked like a person with no choices.

[mfarhaniqbal33]

The Body that Chloe saw in the dream of her in the beginning was Clark's body. Okay Seeing Clark's half body hung like that really freaked me out. I sorta agree with Chloe what she is doing. She does not want Clark to go against Davis anyway. She thinks that may be there are chances of Clark winning, there are also chances of Clark losing and thats the chance she can not take SHe put herself the harms way so these two super powers dont go against each other. BRAVO CHLOE LOVE YA ALL THE WAY YOU ARE AMAZING

[Billy Jor-El]

Hmmmmmmmm, going to have to watch again and freeze frame on the, uh, meat hanger. Didn't occur to me she might be fantasizing that it was Clark destroyed by DD. If so, nice catch. (I am glad the kissing scene was, indeed, just part of the dream/nightmare, whew!)

[michaelkent]

You have stated the case very rationally and clearly in regards to Chloe's motives concernng Davis and Clark. Although she is hardly perfect (no one in Smallville is), the one constant in Chloe's life through all eight seasons is her friendship with and desire to protect Clark. She is undoubtedly torn between protecting Clark and trying to save Davis from an existence as a murderous monster. Yes, her plan is flawed and, as you have stated, in the end she will not be able to save the human side of Davis. Nevertheless, she has always been a soul who believes in second chances and is willing to go the extra mile(s) to assist those in need. I know that is why I find her to be the most heroic figure in the Smallville series.

[desertcoyote]

Chloe's actions have been portrayed as purposefully grey by the writers. They said so themselves. They want us debating if her intentions are good or not.

Personally last night clinched it for me. It's obvious to me that everything Chloe has done has been to protect Clark. I don't doubt that she cares about Davis, is even attracted to him, but I don't think she's in love with him. She didn't want to leave Smallville. She doesn't want to harbor Doomsday, but she has no choice. She was backed into a corner because of Davis. Right now the only thing that can stop the killing is her. And because Davis wouldn't stay in the basement, because he's being hunted by the authorities, and it really was her "last card" to play.

We saw it ourself with Emil Hamilton, she was asking him to find a cure so she doesn't have to keep doing this.

In my eyes I think she's right. She was trying to save Davis from what she sees as a horrible affliction. She doesn't see Davis as completely doomed yet. She wanted to give him a chance to be "saved" because she is a good person at heart. She believes in second chances. Davis isn't a cut and dry badguy who wants to kill, he's forced to kill.

When she was advocating killing Lex last season it was because of Clark. Because she didn't want to see Clark get hurt. And not for nothing, Lex was already on his millionth chance already. She knew he wouldn't change, while with Davis they hadn't even really explored the possibilities. I mean really, what if there was a cure out there and they didn't know it?

Clark was going to send Davis to the PZ and that decision would have eaten him up. I agree with Chloe. Because he has blamed himself for almost everything. It isn't the same situation as Baern and the other zoners who were clear cut badguys. And regardless what anyone says, Chloe put Clark in his place and reminded him of who he is. That's why he didn't stop Chloe, because he knew she was right. He hadn't even given Davis a chance to save himself. If he though she was really wrong he could have supersped and taken the crystal back, activated the portal again, and thrown depowered Davis inside within the blink of an eye. But he paused because he knew she was right.

It's easy to say, "Oh send Doomy to the PZ! He's doomed!" But that's the benefit we have as the audience, we have that knowledge. They don't. Not to mention what it would have meant for the zoners. With all we know, it's likely Doomsday would have ripped through all the zoners. Is it right for Clark to send Davis to a place where he will kill, kill, and kill some more?

But the phonecall in the end really showed me the nobility of Chloe's situation. She was willing to sacrifice herself, her life, her future just to keep Doomsday at bay. To protect Clark. This is all about protecting Clark. The lies, the running away, everything is centered in her desire to protect him. It wasn't like she was giddy at the end of the episode making out with Davis in the car and driving out of Smallville. She looked like a person with no choices.

Unfortunately she's also sacrificing the safety of the entire planet by shacking up with a weapon with the potential to kill... well everyone and said weapon has a hair trigger that's damn twitchy.

Oh and while I agree that her intentions are noble, her execution of said intentions is sorely lacking.

[aceofclubs]

Yeah her fear is Doomy killing Clark, but she is being totally irrational about it. CK is not a baby, she doesnt need to "save" him. She is being a hindrance.

[saltyweeks]

Chloe's got more than one motivation at work--and that's what makes her such a fascinating character to watch.

i agree. every man in the episode had a different view on who chloe is and what she wanted or needed, and none of them got it right.

of course, i'll admit, chloe couldn't get me off her wagon if she kicked me...

[rehana/chole]

chole rocks. she a lil crazy rite now but she still rock czuse with out her story rite now sv would be another lose azz story abt lois n clark an we now how they end up so i like chole from season 1 to forever

[mfarhaniqbal33]

I checked it three times and froze the frame, It is Clark and on his chest you see the Superman Logo like on the costume. A very well job done by the CG department and the make up department if that was genuine make up

[Kid Collins]

I've always thought Chloe's first priority was to protect Clark. That was made clear in Eternal when she wanted Clark to help Davis kill himself.

This ep just drove that home.

Yes, it probably isn't the smartest idea to run off with Davis and lie to Clark about hiding him. But to me it's all about intent. Chloe's intent was to protect Clark. There wasn't anything malicious behind her actions. And that's what counts.

[xrayvision]

Unfortunately she's also sacrificing the safety of the entire planet by shacking up with a weapon with the potential to kill... well everyone and said weapon has a hair trigger that's damn twitchy.

Oh and while I agree that her intentions are noble, her execution of said intentions is sorely lacking.

Exactly. I didn't care too much until I saw her interfering in Clark's plan. Once I saw her making a decision that wasn't hers, that was just too much. You can't have that scene & convince anyone that she's out for Clark's best interests. I'm sorry. Someone whose moral compass is so lacking has no right to make any such decision on ethics. The Fortress & that crystal are not hers to play with. Clark has had the most time to think of this, and he understands the reasons for the Phantom Zone's existence. Chloe doesn't. That's why she had no business dealing with it. It was Clark's decision & only his own. Oliver even warned Clark about her getting involved with technology she shouldn't be playing with back in Bloodline.

[quiet_fractures]

Exactly. I didn't care too much until I saw her interfering in Clark's plan. Once I saw her making a decision that wasn't hers, that was just too much. You can't have that scene & convince anyone that she's out for Clark's best interests. I'm sorry. Someone whose moral compass is so lacking has no right to make any such decision on ethics. The Fortress & that crystal are not hers to play with. Clark has had the most time to think of this, and he understands the reasons for the Phantom Zone's existence. Chloe doesn't. That's why she had no business dealing with it. It was Clark's decision & only his own. Oliver even warned Clark about her getting involved with technology she shouldn't be playing with back in Bloodline.

It wasn't Chloe's decision. It was CLARK'S. I didn't see Chloe with kryptonite making Clark weak and running away. She explained. Clark agreed or at least thought about it. He let them go. He could have told Chloe no that he was doing it. I don't think Chloe would have had a choice.

I think people keep forgetting that in the AU world Chloe ran away from Davis and tried to warn Clark. In Eternal Chloe "killed" Davis to protect Clark. This was really her last option. There was nothing else to do.

[ginevrakent]

I've always thought Chloe's first priority was to protect Clark. That was made clear in Eternal when she wanted Clark to help Davis kill himself.

This ep just drove that home.

Yes, it probably isn't the smartest idea to run off with Davis and lie to Clark about hiding him. But to me it's all about intent. Chloe's intent was to protect Clark. There wasn't anything malicious behind her actions. And that's what counts.

What's that famous quote, oh yeah, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." I think it's great that part of Chloe's motives right now are to protect Clark. It's very honorable and I admire her courage, but I simply can't accept that she's doing this all for Clark, nor can I accept the argument that intent is what matters.

You say that what Chloe is doing is not "the smartest idea," well sometimes dumb ideas end up hurting people. Like getting into a car drunk without the intention of killing anyone but ultimately doing so when the car goes out of control. Nonetheless, of course for something to be considered malicious there has to be intent on the part of the person; thus I don't think that Chloe's actions are malicious. I do, however, see her actions as incredibly short-sighted, selfish, and they will ultimately be shown to be pointless.

So, no there was no "intent" to do harm, but harm will come nonetheless. I thought Chloe was better than this, and after Turbulence I was upset with Chloe, but slowly I found a way to still lean slightly towards being on her side. Even seeing that she didn't actually push AJ to his death in Stiletto made me more supportive of her in her present dilemma. Beast has turned me away from her completely because she's operating under the delusion that she can handle the situation and that she knows best. Well, Harry Potter thought he knew what to do when he got his friends and the Order of the Phoenix trapped at the Department of Mysteries where Sirius Black was killed just because he thought he would be able to save a Sirius he thought was in danger.

I simply cannot support Chloe when she's being so monumentally stupid and making herself into a martyr unnecessarily. If she wanted my support she would have worked with Clark to convince Davis to go willingly into the Phantom Zone, and she would have done so weeks ago.

[xrayvision]

It wasn't Chloe's decision. It was CLARK'S. I didn't see Chloe with kryptonite making Clark weak and running away. She explained. Clark agreed or at least thought about it. He let them go. He could have told Chloe no that he was doing it. I don't think Chloe would have had a choice.

I think people keep forgetting that in the AU world Chloe ran away from Davis and tried to warn Clark. In Eternal Chloe "killed" Davis to protect Clark. This was really her last option. There was nothing else to do.

No in the AU world, Chloe had no effect on Davis' transformations and Davis still turned into Doomsday as we saw when Chloe stood right next to him. Davis told Chloe to leave because he knew what DD would do to her. The bottom line is that in the AU world, Doomsday killed Chloe.

As for Clark not stopping them, he couldn't because he was shocked at what he saw & before he could react, Davis and Chloe used the octagonal key to teleport to Smallville and they were gone by the time Clark ran there.

[Kryptochloe]

Chloe's actions have been portrayed as purposefully grey by the writers. They said so themselves. They want us debating if her intentions are good or not.

Personally last night clinched it for me. It's obvious to me that everything Chloe has done has been to protect Clark. I don't doubt that she cares about Davis, is even attracted to him, but I don't think she's in love with him. She didn't want to leave Smallville. She doesn't want to harbor Doomsday, but she has no choice. She was backed into a corner because of Davis. Right now the only thing that can stop the killing is her. And because Davis wouldn't stay in the basement, because he's being hunted by the authorities, and it really was her "last card" to play.

We saw it ourself with Emil Hamilton, she was asking him to find a cure so she doesn't have to keep doing this.

In my eyes I think she's right. She was trying to save Davis from what she sees as a horrible affliction. She doesn't see Davis as completely doomed yet. She wanted to give him a chance to be "saved" because she is a good person at heart. She believes in second chances. Davis isn't a cut and dry badguy who wants to kill, he's forced to kill.

When she was advocating killing Lex last season it was because of Clark. Because she didn't want to see Clark get hurt. And not for nothing, Lex was already on his millionth chance already. She knew he wouldn't change, while with Davis they hadn't even really explored the possibilities. I mean really, what if there was a cure out there and they didn't know it?

Clark was going to send Davis to the PZ and that decision would have eaten him up. I agree with Chloe. Because he has blamed himself for almost everything. It isn't the same situation as Baern and the other zoners who were clear cut badguys. And regardless what anyone says, Chloe put Clark in his place and reminded him of who he is. That's why he didn't stop Chloe, because he knew she was right. He hadn't even given Davis a chance to save himself. If he though she was really wrong he could have supersped and taken the crystal back, activated the portal again, and thrown depowered Davis inside within the blink of an eye. But he paused because he knew she was right.

It's easy to say, "Oh send Doomy to the PZ! He's doomed!" But that's the benefit we have as the audience, we have that knowledge. They don't. Not to mention what it would have meant for the zoners. With all we know, it's likely Doomsday would have ripped through all the zoners. Is it right for Clark to send Davis to a place where he will kill, kill, and kill some more?

But the phonecall in the end really showed me the nobility of Chloe's situation. She was willing to sacrifice herself, her life, her future just to keep Doomsday at bay. To protect Clark. This is all about protecting Clark. The lies, the running away, everything is centered in her desire to protect him. It wasn't like she was giddy at the end of the episode making out with Davis in the car and driving out of Smallville. She looked like a person with no choices.


I could not have said this better myself!!!:)

[devilneedsaride]

I'm slightly closer to her side after this episode, but I wouldn't say I'm on it.

I think her intentions are honorable after watching this, but she's got some really terrible judgment going and she's really just making everything so much worse.

[friendofclark]

I will cry if Chloe is killed in the season finale.

Sadly I think that's exactly where this is going. I'm going to need TWO boxes of tissues when it happens too. Chloe has ALWAYS been my favorite character (next to Clark, of course). I know she's not mythos, and I know she can't survive past "Smallville", but now that we KNOW there will be a Season 9, I just can't imagine the show without her. I always thought she would be killed/written off at the SERIES finale, and I'm not looking forward to where this is going at ALL! :( :( :(

[BadToad]

Clark was going to send Davis to the PZ and that decision would have eaten him up.

So, Clark doesn't send him to the Phantom Zone, and instead Chloe calls him and tells him that she's sacrificing her entire life all to protect him, and thats not going to eat Clark up? Or, how about if Chloe can no longer control Davis, and he kills someone else? Thats not going to eat Clark up? The set-up is clear as day. Clark not acting here is going to end up being a bad decision, and then its CLARK thats going to have to pay in guilt, recrimination and responsibility. Not Chloe.

Chloe didn't save Clark anything in the guilt and being eaten up inside department. Nothing at all! In fact, I'd say that Clark would be able to deal with his feelings about sending Davis to the Phantom Zone a whole lot better then he'll be able to deal with the guilt heaped on him by his best friend deciding that she needs to be a martyr in his name, and spend the rest of her life chained to the side of a Kryptonian monster that could explode at any minute.

I don't think people are really looking at the whole picture here. There seems to be so many posts anxious to throw flowers at Chloe's feet for her nobility, but few that seem to acknowledge that the guilt and responsibility Chloe hung around Clark is a far more soul crushing kind then sending Davis to the Phantom Zone. Not to mention a paralyzing decision that is likely to prevent Clark from doing anything but looking for Chloe as much as he can. How is that likely to make him a more productive RRB/hero? Its not. If Davis was in the Phantom Zone, Clark might feel guilty, but he'd go on with his life, and go back to the hero mantle that he took on. But Chloe running off with Davis, complete with heartfelt "I did it all for you!? You really think Clark is going to be able to concentrate on anything else?

I don't.


I agree with Chloe. Because he has blamed himself for almost everything.

And so she calls him and tells him everything is for him. Where's the logic in that? So, he doesn't blame himself to Davis' banishment, but he blames himself for Chloe's decision. This is a better choice? This is less guilt for Clark?


And regardless what anyone says, Chloe put Clark in his place and reminded him of who he is. That's why he didn't stop Chloe, because he knew she was right.

Oh yeah, thats just what this show needs, more characters "putting Clark in his place". Because I know I feel like Clark's character is really being serviced well when he's lectured by other people telling him how clueless, wrong and inactive he is.

Still think Clark will think Chloe is right if/when Davis starts killing again? And I think its a no brainer that he will. At least it should be. For Chloe, for Clark, and for everyone.


But he paused because he knew she was right.

And it make him look ineffectual and indecisive. But hey, as long as the show is about highlighting Chloe, its all good, I guess :\


It's easy to say, "Oh send Doomy to the PZ! He's doomed!" But that's the benefit we have as the audience, we have that knowledge. They don't.

Well, actually, they should. Jor-El told Clark what Doomsday was. Chloe's doctor friend just told her what was happening to Davis' DNA. And he survived a kryptonite shower.

And at one point does "saving" Davis take top priority over everything else? Everyone elses safety? Sure, its not an easy decision, but Davis is a murderer, and yes, I said Davis.


Not to mention what it would have meant for the zoners. With all we know, it's likely Doomsday would have ripped through all the zoners. Is it right for Clark to send Davis to a place where he will kill, kill, and kill some more?

Isn't the Phantom Zone inhabited by all the worst criminals across the galaxy. Isn't it the whole reason it was created? Yes, its a brutal, terrible place to house the worst criminals who can be contained no other way, in order to protect everyone else.


But the phonecall in the end really showed me the nobility of Chloe's situation. She was willing to sacrifice herself, her life, her future just to keep Doomsday at bay. To protect Clark. This is all about protecting Clark.

And she made sure to let Clark know that too. And that was a good thing for Clark? He's supposed to say "Oh yeah, cool beans, thanks! I'll just go about my life now?"

I have a lot of trouble seeing Chloe's "nobility" when she not only placed zero trust in Clark's ability to handle the situation, or protect himself, but she also made sure in one phone call that Clark would never stop trying to find her, and that her situation would overwhelmingly consume Clark's life.

Can she possibly think Clark is just going to let it go?


The lies, the running away, everything is centered in her desire to protect him.

And its great that Clark's friends want to protect him. But there comes a point when doing anything and everything in the name of "protecting Clark" becomes detrimental. Not only does it place responsibility on Clark for what these people do, but it also starts to seem like these are less Clark's friends, and more his worshippers, willing to do anything in His name. If people really want to protect Clark, shouldn't they trust in him and his abilities and his judgement? He's not a drooling child.


She looked like a person with no choices.

And thats false, because she had choices. She just made very bad ones, IMO

[Kryptochloe]

What's that famous quote, oh yeah, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions." I think it's great that part of Chloe's motives right now are to protect Clark. It's very honorable and I admire her courage, but I simply can't accept that she's doing this all for Clark, nor can I accept the argument that intent is what matters.

You say that what Chloe is doing is not "the smartest idea," well sometimes dumb ideas end up hurting people. Like getting into a car drunk without the intention of killing anyone but ultimately doing so when the car goes out of control. Nonetheless, of course for something to be considered malicious there has to be intent on the part of the person; thus I don't think that Chloe's actions are malicious. I do, however, see her actions as incredibly short-sighted, selfish, and they will ultimately be shown to be pointless.

So, no there was no "intent" to do harm, but harm will come nonetheless. I thought Chloe was better than this, and after Turbulence I was upset with Chloe, but slowly I found a way to still lean slightly towards being on her side. Even seeing that she didn't actually push AJ to his death in Stiletto made me more supportive of her in her present dilemma. Beast has turned me away from her completely because she's operating under the delusion that she can handle the situation and that she knows best. Well, Harry Potter thought he knew what to do when he got his friends and the Order of the Phoenix trapped at the Department of Mysteries where Sirius Black was killed just because he thought he would be able to save a Sirius he thought was in danger.

I simply cannot support Chloe when she's being so monumentally stupid and making herself into a martyr unnecessarily. If she wanted my support she would have worked with Clark to convince Davis to go willingly into the Phantom Zone, and she would have done so weeks ago.

Getting into a car drunk never will be a good idea... the result is obvious and highly possible... But i don't think this example applies to Chloe's situation...

Chloe really thinks this is the only way, there's no previous knowledge about how to handle a "Doomsday situation" No one knows what is the best way to go, no one, not even Clark...
Is she right? no... but she's doing what she thinks is best...right or wrong as she can be...
What if she didn't do anything?... that would change the story? No, cause we all know Clark is destined to fight against Doomsday and even get killed.... so what's the difference really? The danger on what she's putting the rest of the people? Let's remember that since Chloe is with Davis, how many people has died? Just one, AJ. If Chloe wouldn't be willing to stay with Davis, how many people would have died this far?? Many... so, I think this far she's getting her gold...

I know that won't last forever... but I´m pretty sure in a stressfull situation no one thinks at long term.... you do what you do almost for instinct, trying to handle just the present, cause is all you can do...

And the first instinct of Chloe is to protect Clark, as has been showed SO many times... (I still can believe how people can be in denial about this).

And about Chloe being selfish... that's certainly the last word I'd use to describe her...

[Dustmite]

I'm going to be honest, I'm pretty much always on Chloe's side but I found parts of the episode a little confusing and felt that certain scenes were there to simply prolong the storyline and the agony too.

Davis belongs in the PZ. It's the only solution and Clark doesn't need to feel bad about it because again, the only solution.

Having said, the last scene was enough for me to be firmly in Chloe's corner.

[xrayvision]

So, Clark doesn't send him to the Phantom Zone, and instead Chloe calls him and tells him that she's sacrificing her entire life all to protect him, and thats not going to eat Clark up? Or, how about if Chloe can no longer control Davis, and he kills someone else? Thats not going to eat Clark up? The set-up is clear as day. Clark not acting here is going to end up being a bad decision, and then its CLARK thats going to have to pay in guilt, recrimination and responsibility. Not Chloe.

Chloe didn't save Clark anything in the guilt and being eaten up inside department. Nothing at all! In fact, I'd say that Clark would be able to deal with his feelings about sending Davis to the Phantom Zone a whole lot better then he'll be able to deal with the guilt heaped on him by his best friend deciding that she needs to be a martyr in his name, and spend the rest of her life chained to the side of a Kryptonian monster that could explode at any minute.

I don't think people are really looking at the whole picture here. There seems to be so many posts anxious to throw flowers at Chloe's feet for her nobility, but few that seem to acknowledge that the guilt and responsibility Chloe hung around Clark is a far more soul crushing kind then sending Davis to the Phantom Zone. Not to mention a paralyzing decision that is likely to prevent Clark from doing anything but looking for Chloe as much as he can. How is that likely to make him a more productive RRB/hero? Its not. If Davis was in the Phantom Zone, Clark might feel guilty, but he'd go on with his life, and go back to the hero mantle that he took on. But Chloe running off with Davis, complete with heartfelt "I did it all for you!? You really think Clark is going to be able to concentrate on anything else?

I don't.



And so she calls him and tells him everything is for him. Where's the logic in that? So, he doesn't blame himself to Davis' banishment, but he blames himself for Chloe's decision. This is a better choice? This is less guilt for Clark?



Oh yeah, thats just what this show needs, more characters "putting Clark in his place". Because I know I feel like Clark's character is really being serviced well when he's lectured by other people telling him how clueless, wrong and inactive he is.

Still think Clark will think Chloe is right if/when Davis starts killing again? And I think its a no brainer that he will. At least it should be. For Chloe, for Clark, and for everyone.



And it make him look ineffectual and indecisive. But hey, as long as the show is about highlighting Chloe, its all good, I guess :\



Well, actually, they should. Jor-El told Clark what Doomsday was. Chloe's doctor friend just told her what was happening to Davis' DNA. And he survived a kryptonite shower.

And at one point does "saving" Davis take top priority over everything else? Everyone elses safety? Sure, its not an easy decision, but Davis is a murderer, and yes, I said Davis.



Isn't the Phantom Zone inhabited by all the worst criminals across the galaxy. Isn't it the whole reason it was created? Yes, its a brutal, terrible place to house the worst criminals who can be contained no other way, in order to protect everyone else.



And she made sure to let Clark know that too. And that was a good thing for Clark? He's supposed to say "Oh yeah, cool beans, thanks! I'll just go about my life now?"

I have a lot of trouble seeing Chloe's "nobility" when she not only placed zero trust in Clark's ability to handle the situation, or protect himself, but she also made sure in one phone call that Clark would never stop trying to find her, and that her situation would overwhelmingly consume Clark's life.

Can she possibly think Clark is just going to let it go?



And its great that Clark's friends want to protect him. But there comes a point when doing anything and everything in the name of "protecting Clark" becomes detrimental. Not only does it place responsibility on Clark for what these people do, but it also starts to seem like these are less Clark's friends, and more his worshippers, willing to do anything in His name. If people really want to protect Clark, shouldn't they trust in him and his abilities and his judgement? He's not a drooling child.



And thats false, because she had choices. She just made very bad ones, IMO

Nicely said BadToad. Nothing will justify the actions & decision of a murderer playing the "holier than thou" card who doesn't even understand the very purpose of the Phantom Zone and who completely went behind Clark's back to undermine his good solution and not say a thing about what she was doing/planning or have a decent conversation with Clark.

That was one of the most immature things I ever saw Chloe or anyone else on the show do. Like Jonathan said in Facade: "Adults in this family don't run off and do things without discussing them first". This is precisely what Chloe did and she did it with a very significant issue.

[Pitbull On A Pantleg]

Not to mention what it would have meant for the zoners. With all we know, it's likely Doomsday would have ripped through all the zoners. Is it right for Clark to send Davis to a place where he will kill, kill, and kill some more?

In Zod, the Zoners would have killed Clark and Raya if Raya hadn't stopped them. In Bloodline, Zoners again tried to kill Clark and Lois, and Kara revealed how she had to become a killer in order to stay alive.

Saying that Davis shouldn't be sent there because Doomsday might kill them all is like saying that only one Zoner should ever be in the entire PZ, because with more than one, I can almost guarantee they were trying to kill each other.

[ginevrakent]

Getting into a car drunk never will be a good idea... the result is obvious and highly possible... But i don't think this example applies to Chloe's situation...

But as a someone who knows the Superman mythos and what is coming in the episode Doomsday, I as I'm sure others know that Chloe's master plan will be a complete and utter failure. In other words, getting into a car drunk is never a good idea and if I were watching a TV show with a character doing that I would yell at my screen at how stupid they were being and be scared to death that something bad was going to happen. Well, watching Chloe decide what was best for Clark and the world and foolishly run off with Doomsday when I know it will all crashing down elicits the same reaction from me. I like Chloe and I think she means a great deal to Clark, what she has done is obviously not going to end well and is obviously going to hurt Clark perhaps more than any supposed guilt he might have felt putting Davis in the Phantom Zone. That being said, perhaps a better example could have been found, but it was all I could think of at the time.


Chloe really thinks this is the only way, there's no previous knowledge about how to handle a "Doomsday situation" No one knows what is the best way to go, no one, not even Clark...
Is she right? no... but she's doing what she thinks is best...right or wrong as she can be...

What about Clark and what he thinks is best? I trust him and his moral compass over Chloe's any day. I am frustrated beyond belief that she didn't trust him to do the right thing and to be the hero that she, and the rest of us know he can be. When Oliver castigates Clark at Isis for not making the tough decision to do something it was Chloe who had taken that away from him. It was Chloe, yet again, who deserved the criticism for stopping our hero from doing what was right.


Let's remember that since Chloe is with Davis, how many people has died? Just one, AJ. If Chloe wouldn't be willing to stay with Davis, how many people would have died this far?? Many... so, I think this far she's getting her gold...

I know that won't last forever... but I´m pretty sure in a stressfull situation no one thinks at long term.... you do what you do almost for instinct, trying to handle just the present, cause is all you can do...

And the first instinct of Chloe is to protect Clark, as has been showed SO many times... (I still can believe how people can be in denial about this).

And about Chloe being selfish... that's certainly the last word I'd use to describe her...

Chloe's situation with Davis is untenable, and was proven so in Oliver's near strangling at the hands of Davis in the Talon basement. Chloe cannot keep Davis from becoming the beast forever. There are too many contingencies. What if Chloe has to go to the bathroom, the dentist, etc. She cannot be with Davis 24/7.

I understand and appreciate how difficult it is to do the right thing in a stressful situation, but Chloe's instincts are not to be trusted at this point. Her instincts led her to Sebastian's bedside, her instincts led her to tazering her husband and trusting his attacker, and her instincts caused her to stop Clark from doing what was necessary and sending Davis to the prison he deserves to be kept in due to his crimes as both Davis and as Doomsday.

I know using the word selfish is harsh, and I certainly wouldn't say that it is a word that typically describes Chloe. Those words would be loyal, brave, smart, and kind. I still see a lot of those traits in Chloe and that's what keeps me from completely loathing her, but what she did was stupid and I do believe she did it partly for her sake and Davis' sake and not for Clark's, because Davis was the star of her romantic fantasy and if she was so concerned about Clark living a life that wasn't guilt ridden, she wouldn't have put the fact that she was making her life, instead of Davis' life, a living hell on his shoulders.

It's because I care so much about Chloe and admired her strong friendship and loyalty to Clark that I cannot accept her behavior in this episode. I still care about her and wish the best for her, but I cannot condone her actions or celebrate what has become of her.

[xrayvision]

In Zod, the Zoners would have killed Clark and Raya if Raya hadn't stopped them. In Bloodline, Zoners again tried to kill Clark and Lois, and Kara revealed how she had to become a killer in order to stay alive.

Saying that Davis shouldn't be sent there because Doomsday might kill them all is like saying that only one Zoner should ever be in the entire PZ, because with more than one, I can almost guarantee they were trying to kill each other.

Also, in the Zone, the prisoners have no powers. So it's safe to assume that Davis would not have any powers and probably not transform either. He may still have the ability to resurrect himself, but as long as he doesn't have the strength, speed & powers Doomsday has, he would be an immortal prisoner. If he ever got out, he would be several times more dangerous, but Clark couldn't worry about that.

The only other option was for Clark to put Davis & maybe Chloe (as his friend) in the Survival Zone, but I don't know if the Survival Zone will ever appear on Smallville. If anything, they should have shown it last year when Zor-El was still around.

[Degobunny]

<O:p</O:p
The killing thing was basically an example of how Chloe holds different standards for different people. I'm not suggesting that Chloe should encourage Clark to kill Davis as she did with Lex but I don't see her actions as evolving but rather as contradictory. I don't think her killing Sebastian has anything to do with it in this case. I genuinely believe that she didn't want Clark to send Davis to the PZ because she has intense feelings for Davis and can't bear the thought of him spending all eternity in hell - even if it's the right thing to do. I am 100% convinced that had it been someone else - someone who she didn't have an emotional connection with; she would have supported Clark in this decision.
<O:p</O:p
Either way though, when it comes down to it, Clark wasn't implying that he wanted to kill him so Chloe's actions with Sebastian through Brainiac hold little relevance to this situation. The reason I bring up Lex is because her “views” on protecting the greater good vary, depending on who is on the firing line. Her speech about Clark never being able to forgive himself did my head in. It was sloopy writing. I don't believe this is something Chloe would said. She is smart and level-headed and Chloe of old would not have put the guilt trip on him. I've supported every single time when she's said Clark wasn't a murderer but not this. Clark was putting murderer away and saving the world.

All that said though, I do understand that she is a very difficult position and is doing what she thinks is right. Her intentions are good but her logic is not. As I said before, she is following her heart and not her head. I don't think she's a villian though and I refuse to agree with any post comparing her to Lana or that she's some spawn of the devil. I just think she is being very foolish and rather than protecting the world, she is actually putting the world in potential danger. Clarks plan is far more safer for everyone and she must know this.

<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:pNo I don't blame her for wanting both to live. Anyone would but there is a different between "wanting" and "doing". There is no cure for Davis, as she's well aware. She must also know that she can't be by his side forever, especially as Davis is immortal. She just hasn't thought this through.<O:p</O:p

You make some good points and I glad your not bashing not characters. :)

I brought up the Sabastian death because it is relevant as a turning point where Chloe crosses a line that she regrets ever doing, putting a new perspective on her for taking a life. Sending Davis to the PZ would be a fate worse then death, a living hell. That PZ is not like prison, though that was its original intentions. The way it has been portayed in Smallville is a place were people are banished to and left to slowly and painfully die. On the other hand I do see your point that Chloe is being niave. Especially as we the audiance know that the PZ was the path of least resistance, that would result in the least amont of human bloodshed. And in the grand sheme of things most people would choose to save 6 billion innocents rather then one serial killers who can not control to urge to kill.

As for intense felling for Davis, I am still on the fence on this one as she never says she loves Davis, but cares for him. One way to interpret her actions is she care for him as a friend, and someone she does not want to give up on. I kinda have dismissed the kiss betwen Chloe and Davis as lust rather then love especially after the dream turned into a nightmere.

Also Chloe does not know there is no cure for Davis, she went to Emil one guy, that's it. There are other solutions for instance one popular theory is Davis will get split it two by black kryptonite seperating the beast from the man, somehow I doubt this outcome though. I hope though that they can resolve the Doomsday storyline without irreversibly destroying the core values that define who Clark is destined to become. I hope this clears up what I was trying to say.

[RedKRules]

Chloe did what she had to ... Go Chlo !!!!! :D

[Arwenstar]

I am not one anyone's side. Chloe is wrong. She can't do this all by herself--she is endangering herself. However, what else can she do? She is afraid for Clark's life; she wants to save Davis' humanity; she wants to save mankind. Her tears at the end tells me that this is something she feels she HAS to do, not WANTS to do.

Clark is wrong. He can't send Doomsday to the phantom zone. The guy will just eventually escape and then kill everyone. He is destined to kill Superman. Clark can't kill Doomsday because it's in his moral code. Clark can't do that to another person. He is conflicted.

Oliver is wrong because it's not as black and white as he thinks it is. Behind Doomsday, there is Davis--a person who is TRYING to tame the beast inside. He wants a normal life. He wants to be happy. I bet if Oliver was Doomsday, it would be a completely different story. Sure, he might be less selfish, but it would pain him nonetheless.

Davis is wrong because he is selfish. It's very human, but at the same time, I'm not even sure if he even knows how to destroy himself. He doesn't care to, anyway, since that would take him away from Chloe.

If anything, the RIGHT side is blurred and gray. These people are being pushed towards their destinies, no matter how much they fight it; this is a theme that has been the driving force of Smallville since the beginning. Clark has to learn that if he wants to be a superhero/Superman, he has to be making the right decisions, the tough calls.

[Luthorism]

Feed her to the sharks!

:lol: :lol: :rotfl::rotfl:

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Feed her to the sharks!

sharks would swim away scared if they seen doomsday :lol:

[Sarevokcz]

Clark is wrong. He can't send Doomsday to the phantom zone. The guy will just eventually escape and then kill everyone.

just out of curiosity, how do you know he will escape? the only SV way of escaping is being the member of El family afaik, Davis most certainly isnt.

[Denegation 15]

Clark shouldn't send Davis to the Phantom Zone. Chloe was right; he just doesn't want blood on his hands. I know that heroes have to make tough decisions, but they can't just ignore their responsibilities. Especially in Oliver's case, if he's going to title himself as a hero, then he cannot give up on Davis.

Clark also let Lex leave like a bagillion times, when Lex doesn't feel remorse over the people he kills. Yet, Davis does feel remorse and does not want to be evil.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Clark shouldn't send Davis to the Phantom Zone. Chloe was right; he just doesn't want blood on his hands. I know that heroes have to make tough decisions, but they can't just ignore their responsibilities. Especially in Oliver's case, if he's going to title himself as a hero, then he cannot give up on Davis.

Clark also let Lex leave like a bagillion times, when Lex doesn't feel remorse over the people he kills. Yet, Davis does feel remorse and does not want to be evil.

davis wanted a life away from his personal hell in "eternal", clark gave davis a way out using the PZ but davis got scared of losing chloe

i give chloe no sympathy for what she did, in the end the fight between clark and davis falls on chloes hands because she didnt let clark send davis to the PZ when he had the chance and used clarks feelings against him

[Denegation 15]

davis wanted a life away from his personal hell in "eternal", clark gave davis a way out using the PZ but davis got scared of losing chloe

i give chloe no sympathy for what she did, in the end the fight between clark and davis falls on chloes hands because she didnt let clark send davis to the PZ when he had the chance and used clarks feelings against him
Yeah, but have you seen the Phantom Zone? It's an awful place, like hell, so to speak. Clark just didn't stop to think. I know what some of you might say, that Doomsday will come out and kill people if not stopped but again, let me point out that Lex's victim list beats Davis' by a land slide.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Yeah, but have you seen the Phantom Zone? It's an awful place, like hell, so to speak. Clark just didn't stop to think. I know what some of you might say, that Doomsday will come out and kill people if not stopped but again, let me point out that Lex's victim list beats Davis' by a land slide.

so thats the justification lex has a bigger kill list? lex can be sent to a human prison, davis cant, the PZ was the earths best option given clark doesnt want to kill!

so i say again whatever happens to clark in the finale is chloes fault for not letting clark send davis to the PZ

[Davis Bloome]

What about freezing him in, when brainiac had Davis frozen in, he couldn't escape, probably he was also in hibernation so in theory he wasn't concious or suffering. That seemed like a good option.

[Denegation 15]

What about freezing him in, when brainiac had Davis frozen in, he couldn't escape, probably he was also in hibernation so in theory he wasn't concious or suffering. That seemed like a good option.
Yes! That's what I was thinking too, but then he broke out at the end though. :/

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so thats the justification lex has a bigger kill list? lex can be sent to a human prison, davis cant, the PZ was the earths best option given clark doesnt want to kill!

so i say again whatever happens to clark in the finale is chloes fault for not letting clark send davis to the PZ
I dunno. She had good intentions. Either way doesn't make it right. He would be sending Davis to a life worse than death.

And no, that isn't me attempting to justify it. I'm simply stating that Clark stood by, while Lex committed all these crimes. He could have just gotten Lex imprisoned with some evidence or something, but he refused to give up on him. All I'm saying is that Davis deserves the same.

[Davis Bloome]

Yes! That's what I was thinking too, but then he broke out at the end though. :/
Probably because Brianic still had some control over it though. Maybe there was some timer on it lol, that DD could get out of there when he would be ready. There has to be a reason why Clark couldn't escape and why DD could. All Clark had to do is see to it that Davis was frozen him without there being a possibility that he could break out. I think Clark at least could have looked into that.

[Denegation 15]

Yeah, he should have instead of being impulsive. I know it might not matter, but in the animated series, Superman was frozen along side of flash. He used his heat vision and melted it. But I think that Jor-El might have made sure he couldn't get out of it. Maybe they could bring Jor-El back and ask him to help Davis, or possibly freeze him.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

I dunno. She had good intentions. Either way doesn't make it right. He would be sending Davis to a life worse than death.

And no, that isn't me attempting to justify it. I'm simply stating that Clark stood by, while Lex committed all these crimes. He could have just gotten Lex imprisoned with some evidence or something, but he refused to give up on him. All I'm saying is that Davis deserves the same.



the problem is as you said clark never had proof of anything lex did until season 7 when he killed lionel

and its within character for clark to not give up on people but davis is no ordinary person who deserves a chance hes a monster that kills to stop the monster within doing it

[Denegation 15]

the problem is as you said clark never had proof of anything lex did until season 7 when he killed lionel

and its within character for clark to not give up on people but davis is no ordinary person who deserves a chance hes a monster that kills to stop the monster within doing it
Yes, but are you forgetting he still has a good side. People say they are one in the same but that isn't true. If he kills that monster, Davis dies too.

[actaeon]

I think she reinforced the fact that she is doing this all for the right reasons even if her choices haven't been the best.

I'm officially a Chloe supporter. Anyone else?

I'm a Chloe supporter too, and I think her current direction is interesting. Wrong, but interesting. I'm curious to see what happens when she realizes how wrong she was, and how she goes about picking up the pieces of her life.

As for the "right reasons", I suspect her motivation is to protect Clark. Problem is, in her zeal to protect Clark, she wants to make all his decisions for him. She wants to force him to stop taking risks. In effect, she wants to stop him being a hero. And that's wrong.

Plus, she's rationalizing. She's desperately trying to convince herself and others that she can handle Dooms. And it's obvious to everyone but Chloe that she can't possibly.

Before in moments of great crisis, Chloe has tried to handle things alone. And made a mess of things (her meteor-rock infection). It's kind of what she does. She should've learned better by now.

Another part of her rationalizing has to do with her obvious feelings for Davis. She's blinded by her (kind of sick...) attraction to the man of chiselled cheekbones. She knows this in her subconscious (as evident in her dream) but is ot yet willing to admit it to herself. Or Clark or Ollie. I think the dream proves just how misguided she is.

I'm a Chloe supporter but when her day of reckoning comes I don't want it swept under the rug as "well, her intentions were good".

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Yes, but are you forgetting he still has a good side. People say they are one in the same but that isn't true. If he kills that monster, Davis dies too.

i cant forget something that never was, he used to be good but as soon as davis started killing as davis he became a bad guy, i hate to say it good guys dont become fugitives for nothing!

[Denegation 15]

Yeah she did do wrong but I can understand her falling for Davis.
She isn't falling for Doomsday but she is for Davis.

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i cant forget something that never was, he used to be good but as soon as davis started killing as davis he became a bad guy, i hate to say it good guys dont become fugitives for nothing!
If he once was, then how could that never be?

And true. I understand where you are coming from. But I just think there might be something else they could do. In his defense, he even said, if he has to kill, he'll kill criminals. Which is still wrong, but he is trying to control the beast. There is still some good in him, if there wasn't he would be breaking out of the Talon with Chloe's head in his hand.

[Smallville Vamp]

so thats the justification lex has a bigger kill list? lex can be sent to a human prison, davis cant, the PZ was the earths best option given clark doesnt want to kill!

so i say again whatever happens to clark in the finale is chloes fault for not letting clark send davis to the PZ

I agree. IMO, Chloe is equally responsible for not only what may happen to Clark but also ANY other men, women OR CHILDREN who are harmed or killed by DB/DD from here on out!

The PZ was not only the BEST option but about the ONLY OPTION available at that point in time!

Lex should've been imprisoned for his crimes every bit as much as Davis should've been sent to the PZ for his! Only difference I can see in handling the two: humans go to prison for their crimes, Kryptonians go to the PZ. Is either a NICE place to go or do the criminals usually LIKE IT once they get there? NOPE, at least I wouldn't think so, but that's the idea right? NEITHER WERE SET UP FOR COMFORT!

[BadToad]

Do people still not understand that Davis isn't real? He's camoflague that Doomsday is wearing. The show told us this already, a few times. SW has told us this in interviews. There aren't 2 people here, Davis/Doomsday. There's one creature, wearing a Davis face, and that Davis face has convinced himself he's real. But he isn't.

There is no going back now. There is no happily ever after. Davis can't stop becoming what he is. Here on Earth, with Chloe, in the Phantom Zone, he is what he is. This stuff with Chloe is a stop gap measure, and when people start dying, as they inevitably will, will Chloe still be more concerned about Davis then the people he's going to kill? Not to mention how all the people he's already killed have been forgotten, and their memories discarded as meaningless. Because poor woobie Davis feels bad about dismembering them.

Take Gloria the escaped zoner, from the episode Wither. She was just killing to survive. Should Clark have coddled her, and tried to "save" her? Take that guy that was sucking spines out of people in Static. Thats how he survived, but MM sent his butt right back to the Phantom Zone. Should Clark just have tried a group hug and understanding?

Davis = Doomsday = A dangerous killer. There's no seperating or changing that equation. And if Davis was really wanting to be a good person, he would've taken the option Clark offered him to be in another world where he can't hurt anyone in this one. But his response was no and "if I go, you go".

[Smallville Vamp]

davis = doomsday = a dangerous killer. There's no seperating or changing that equation. and if davis was really wanting to be a good person, he would've taken the option clark offered him to be in another world where he can't hurt anyone in this one. But his response was no and "if i go, you go".

checkmate

[xrayvision]

^^Faora also said it in Bloodline. She talked about his development and evolution & sped it up by impaling him. She even said he was weak "at this point". And we saw how much he's changed since then and how he can barely keep the creature from coming out. Eventually he will be Doomsday 100% of the time and the Davis persona will fade from existence. The next big change will be Chloe not having any effect on his transformations (which was the case in Infamous---I don't know why this was changed). My question is why did she & Zod even bother putting their DNA to make a Davis side? I guess it could be due to them wanting their DNA to be associated with the most dangerous creature in the universe.

[Denegation 15]

I haven't ever seen Sam say it was just a face in any interview. Though Chloe did say Davis Bloome doesn't exist in Legion.

Regardless, I still see the PZ as wrong, because there is no control over the criminals there. It might be the best option, but it isn't good.

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checkmate
Ok yeah, he should have sacrificed himself like that. But we will never be in that situation. We don't know what we would say or do.

[Smallville Vamp]

Regardless, I still see the PZ as wrong, because there is no control over the criminals there. It might be the best option, but it isn't good.

See it could've turned out to be a good thing afterall, it's not like it would've been a death sentence for DB/DD, in fact IMO sending him to the PZ would have worked out to be one of the few ways he could have actually do a little good in a way.

He could rule the phantoms. Act as judge and jury(he seems to like that) sort of a natural at it too. :D

[Davis Bloome]

I've seen the interview too where he says Davis is the camouflage, but Sam also keeps saying the producers wanted that he portrayed Davis as a good guy, which means that the producers probably want him to try to be a good guy as much as he can in this situation, cause in such a situation it's impossible to play the bad guy for a greater good and in the end Davis is stuck with human emotions which do make him selfish but again imo not evil. He just wants happiness as he said and he said he would take Clark with him to the PZ, cause he obviously thought it was unfair that he should suffer for something he didn't want in the first place and that Clark was going to play the judge in this.

[Iluvgreen]

It made me cry, for sure.... But I'm still scared for her life!

[marcella]

I'm not on her side

[Denegation 15]

Thank you! Yeah, that's what I think.

And even though Davis was not real, he has emotions and his own thoughts, which give him intelligence. He has his own self being. So I think he is becoming real, making it more like a Dr. Jekyll and M. Hide situation.

And even if that wasn't true, everybody there has mostly know him as Davis the paramedic, not only as Doomsday. So maybe they are taking that into account as well.

[Autumn]

I've been unsure about her actions all season and even in this episode I was a bit confused by a few scenes but overall I think she reinforced the fact that she is doing this all for the right reasons even if her choices haven't been the best.

I'm officially a Chloe supporter. Anyone else?

I'm a Chloe supporter. I think she's doing the right thing. I'm certainly not an Oliver, kill him, supporter. Whatever, the case, I never saw Chloe as evil.

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I've seen the interview too where he says Davis is the camouflage, but Sam also keeps saying the producers wanted that he portrayed Davis as a good guy, which means that the producers probably want him to try to be a good guy as much as he can in this situation, cause in such a situation it's impossible to play the bad guy for a greater good and in the end Davis is stuck with human emotions which do make him selfish but again imo not evil. He just wants happiness as he said and he said he would take Clark with him to the PZ, cause he obviously thought it was unfair that he should suffer for something he didn't want in the first place and that Clark was going to play the judge in this.

SW also said that Davis is the real him. That's who he is. And I think what people are missing is that when Davis was acting strange, he was part beast. That wasn't fully Davis.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Yeah she did do wrong but I can understand her falling for Davis.
She isn't falling for Doomsday but she is for Davis.

If he once was, then how could that never be?

And true. I understand where you are coming from. But I just think there might be something else they could do. In his defense, he even said, if he has to kill, he'll kill criminals. Which is still wrong, but he is trying to control the beast. There is still some good in him, if there wasn't he would be breaking out of the Talon with Chloe's head in his hand.

even young davis killed or did you miss that part of eternal?

and if davis was still good he wouldnt have attacked jimmy or oliver then tried to kill them both, so no hes not good hes just obsessed with chloe to keep him sane!


Regardless, I still see the PZ as wrong, because there is no control over the criminals there. It might be the best option, but it isn't good.

what does it matter if theres no control it was a prison for the galaxies more vicious of killers and davis qualifies for that title

[devilneedsaride]

what does it matter if theres no control it was a prison for the galaxies more vicious of killers and davis qualifies for that title

If Clark wants to say that he's the good guy, that he's different from them, then he has to behave better toward them than they do toward him. They may deserve it, but it doesn't mean he has a right to do it to them. He's the good guy, and good guys don't inflict suffering.

On the other hand, if it's between sending Doomsday to the Phantom Zone and letting him run around killing people... send him to the PZ. He isn't exactly innocent and Clark has never had qualms about the morality of the PZ before. If it's between doing something slightly grey morally and saving countless lives/the world, I think that saving the world takes precedence in this particular situation.

[xrayvision]

^^There is nothing immoral about sending killers to the Phantom Zone. That's its purpose. Chloe doesn't understand that. If that was immoral, then the real Jor-El would be the most immoral person who ever lived. Davis was seen killing people and animals even when he was a kid. What's immoral is letting him run around to slaughter more innocents. In the Zone, Davis would not have powers and could stay there until advanced technology could perhaps do something to keep him from killing. But now, the Zone was the best place for him, because anywhere else except the End of Time, Doomsday will kill & slaughter everyone he sees. And Davis' true nature is the Ultimate Destroyer.

Clark was the only one whose judgement wasn't clouded. Oliver's was clouded by hate for wanting to kill DD. Chloe's & Davis' judgement were clouded by mutual feelings they had and some erroneous logic that Davis would stay normal as long as he's with Chloe. Clark was the only one who remembered what happened in Eternal and how Davis would never be able to escape his primary purpose in life. And his solution would have avoided a fight or death. It was the clear-cut moral choice. The only one who thought it wasn't moral was Chloe, and she was never even in the Phantom Zone to be a judge of that and it's her morals that have been lacking this season, not Clark's. There is a difference between a prison and hell. Davis may have actually been happy in the Zone if Zod & Faora are back there.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

If Clark wants to say that he's the good guy, that he's different from them, then he has to behave better toward them than they do toward him. They may deserve it, but it doesn't mean he has a right to do it to them. He's the good guy, and good guys don't inflict suffering.

On the other hand, if it's between sending Doomsday to the Phantom Zone and letting him run around killing people... send him to the PZ. He isn't exactly innocent and Clark has never had qualms about the morality of the PZ before. If it's between doing something slightly grey morally and saving countless lives/the world, I think that saving the world takes precedence in this particular situation.

suffering was a word that the hypocrit chloe used to save davis's life, clark was putting the needs of the world 1st so i dont see where theres any suffering

[devilneedsaride]

^^There is nothing immoral about sending killers to the Phantom Zone. That's its purpose. Chloe doesn't understand that. If that was immoral, then the real Jor-El would be the most immoral person who ever lived. Davis was seen killing people and animals even when he was a kid. What's immoral is letting him run around to slaughter more innocents. In the Zone, Davis would not have powers and could stay there until advanced technology could perhaps do something to keep him from killing. But now, the Zone was the best place for him, because anywhere else except the End of Time, Doomsday will kill & slaughter everyone he sees. And Davis' true nature is the Ultimate Destroyer.

Clark was the only one whose judgement wasn't clouded. Oliver's was clouded by hate for wanting to kill DD. Chloe's & Davis' judgement were clouded by mutual feelings they had and some erroneous logic that Davis would stay normal as long as he's with Chloe. Clark was the only one who remembered what happened in Eternal and how Davis would never be able to escape his primary purpose in life. And his solution would have avoided a fight or death. It was the clear-cut moral choice. The only one who thought it wasn't moral was Chloe, and she was never even in the Phantom Zone to be a judge of that and it's her morals that have been lacking this season, not Clark's. There is a difference between a prison and hell. Davis may have actually been happy in the Zone if Zod & Faora are back there.


suffering was a word that the hypocrit chloe used to save davis's life, clark was putting the needs of the world 1st so i dont see where theres any suffering

True. I'm with you guys that he should have sent Davis/Doomsday to the PZ. I was mostly speaking of how the Phantom Zone is an imperfect way to deal with criminals in the first place. If you throw a bunch of violent people together and say "have at it" it's going to be carnage, and an absolute living hell for anyone who isn't naturally violent. Davis without powers wouldn't last two seconds there, and if he did, he would be constantly fighting for his life in a desert without enough food/water/bathrooms/etc. Not so great. And I'm not a big fan of this incarnation of Jor-El anyway.

However, Clark didn't create it, and Davis needs to be put in a place where he can't destroy the world. Chloe's solution is a band-aid on a gunshot wound, and innocent people need to be protected. Davis needs to be sent to the PZ, I just think it's fair to call it the lesser of two evils.

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

True. I'm with you guys that he should have sent Davis/Doomsday to the PZ. I was mostly speaking of how the Phantom Zone is an imperfect way to deal with criminals in the first place. If you throw a bunch of violent people together and say "have at it" it's going to be carnage, and an absolute living hell for anyone who isn't naturally violent. Davis without powers wouldn't last two seconds there, and if he did, he would be constantly fighting for his life in a desert without enough food/water/bathrooms/etc. Not so great. And I'm not a big fan of this incarnation of Jor-El anyway.

However, Clark didn't create it, and Davis needs to be put in a place where he can't destroy the world. Chloe's solution is a band-aid on a gunshot wound, and innocent people need to be protected. Davis needs to be sent to the PZ, I just think it's fair to call it the lesser of two evils.

as i said from here on out any casualties by the hands of davis/doomsday is chloes fault

[Superboy2]

So what happens to Davis' soul when DD takes over if he isn't real?

[Denegation 15]

Chloe's actions have been portrayed as purposefully grey by the writers. They said so themselves. They want us debating if her intentions are good or not.

Personally last night clinched it for me. It's obvious to me that everything Chloe has done has been to protect Clark. I don't doubt that she cares about Davis, is even attracted to him, but I don't think she's in love with him. She didn't want to leave Smallville. She doesn't want to harbor Doomsday, but she has no choice. She was backed into a corner because of Davis. Right now the only thing that can stop the killing is her. And because Davis wouldn't stay in the basement, because he's being hunted by the authorities, and it really was her "last card" to play.

We saw it ourself with Emil Hamilton, she was asking him to find a cure so she doesn't have to keep doing this.

In my eyes I think she's right. She was trying to save Davis from what she sees as a horrible affliction. She doesn't see Davis as completely doomed yet. She wanted to give him a chance to be "saved" because she is a good person at heart. She believes in second chances. Davis isn't a cut and dry badguy who wants to kill, he's forced to kill.

When she was advocating killing Lex last season it was because of Clark. Because she didn't want to see Clark get hurt. And not for nothing, Lex was already on his millionth chance already. She knew he wouldn't change, while with Davis they hadn't even really explored the possibilities. I mean really, what if there was a cure out there and they didn't know it?

Clark was going to send Davis to the PZ and that decision would have eaten him up. I agree with Chloe. Because he has blamed himself for almost everything. It isn't the same situation as Baern and the other zoners who were clear cut badguys. And regardless what anyone says, Chloe put Clark in his place and reminded him of who he is. That's why he didn't stop Chloe, because he knew she was right. He hadn't even given Davis a chance to save himself. If he though she was really wrong he could have supersped and taken the crystal back, activated the portal again, and thrown depowered Davis inside within the blink of an eye. But he paused because he knew she was right.

It's easy to say, "Oh send Doomy to the PZ! He's doomed!" But that's the benefit we have as the audience, we have that knowledge. They don't. Not to mention what it would have meant for the zoners. With all we know, it's likely Doomsday would have ripped through all the zoners. Is it right for Clark to send Davis to a place where he will kill, kill, and kill some more?

But the phonecall in the end really showed me the nobility of Chloe's situation. She was willing to sacrifice herself, her life, her future just to keep Doomsday at bay. To protect Clark. This is all about protecting Clark. The lies, the running away, everything is centered in her desire to protect him. It wasn't like she was giddy at the end of the episode making out with Davis in the car and driving out of Smallville. She looked like a person with no choices.


I agree. :p




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So what happens to Davis' soul when DD takes over if he isn't real?
He dies. :/

But hopefully they can separate the sides and bring Davis into season 9. (without Doomsday of course, or maybe occasionally :P)

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even young davis killed or did you miss that part of eternal?

and if davis was still good he wouldnt have attacked jimmy or oliver then tried to kill them both, so no hes not good hes just obsessed with chloe to keep him sane!



what does it matter if theres no control it was a prison for the galaxies more vicious of killers and davis qualifies for that title
No, I didn't miss that part of the ep.
But again, let me stress this point, Davis doesn't want to be evil. Being a mask or not.

Now let me bring Batman the animated series into this, which probably wont prove any point, but would be fun all the same. In one episode, I don't recall which one, Clayface (I think that's the villains name) made this part of himself into a girl which was supposed to be tricking Robin. She then saw what she was doing wrong and helped Robin, though Clayface tried to suck her back in. Now I know what some of you might say, she was a piece of him, not her own being. But that entity gained a concious. Therefore being human or not, she is very real.

Same goes for Davis.

[Denegation 15]

Oh, and I've posted this in another thread but I think it's important:


"And remember guys, Davis will come back stronger than ever if sent to the PZ. He will keep coming back to life in the PZ after being killed. And since some of the guys in the phantom zone can hurt Clark pretty badly, then he will be immune to some of the most powerful attacks.

He might escape somehow and then be a real threat to the world. Any world, for that matter.. :\"

[Sarevokcz]

how exactly could he escape? its not like he can use his strenght to crash his way out of there, i have yet to see one idea, how could he escape. "somehow" just doesnt cut it. noone was able to escape from there yet, with excepetion when Clark or Kara used their blood.

[Denegation 15]

how exactly could he escape? its not like he can use his strenght to crash his way out of there, i have yet to see one idea, how could he escape. "somehow" just doesnt cut it. noone was able to escape from there yet, with excepetion when Clark or Kara used their blood.
True, but we don't know every single detail outlined in the PZ.

There could be a plot twist, I don't know.
What if Zod, placed some of Jor-El's DNA into DD also?

[Sarevokcz]

noone knew Els blood will open the portal, Clark found out from Raya, even Zods disciples didnt know about it, Kara knew from Zor-El, why would Zod plant Jor-Els DNA in DD? if he needed kryptonian DNA, he could very well use his.

but yea, through another retcons and plotholes, this could work, but also it could mean he would be suspecitable to sun rays, much like ordinary kryptonians, no yellow sun > no powers > can be contained in a cell with simulated red sun > can be imprisoned anyway imo.

[Tatiana]

I've been unsure about her actions all season and even in this episode I was a bit confused by a few scenes but overall I think she reinforced the fact that she is doing this all for the right reasons even if her choices haven't been the best.

I'm officially a Chloe supporter. Anyone else?


I understand where she is coming from, trying to save Clark and Davis, cuz I think she is going for both, if not she would have had no problem with Clark sending Davis to the zone, I didn't like her comment about Clark not wanting to get his hands dirty though. That was uncalled for. I think her decision is going to backfire though.

[Denegation 15]

noone knew Els blood will open the portal, Clark found out from Raya, even Zods disciples didnt know about it, Kara knew from Zor-El, why would Zod plant Jor-Els DNA in DD? if he needed kryptonian DNA, he could very well use his.

but yea, through another retcons and plotholes, this could work, but also it could mean he would be suspecitable to sun rays, much like ordinary kryptonians, no yellow sun > no powers > can be contained in a cell with simulated red sun > can be imprisoned anyway imo.
Well, there might be another way out. I'm not sure though.

And his power doesn't really come from the sun, I don't think so anyway. He comes from Krypton but isn't the same time of Kryptonian as Clark is. His power comes more from a genetic side. And I bet he will just adapt also. His cells would figure something out. :P

[SGuthrie27]

I am, and always will be, a Chloe supporter. Do I think that all of her actions have been totally right and above reproach? No, not necessarily. But I truly believe that she think she's doing everything to protect Clark and for his safety and that of the world, regardless of the consequences it has to herself and her personal life and relationships. She's trying to do everything in her power to save both Clark and Davis, and although we know it inevitably isn't going to work out, it's certainly valiant and noble of her to try. And you're right, Denegation_15, Davis has never wanted to be evil. This is not the life he wants to live, and I'm still sure that, given the chance, he'd do anything and everything possible to purge himself of the "Beast" within. And I LOVED that Batman episode you referenced. Very cool comparison.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[CyborgSuperman]

haha I very much look forward to the demise of chloe!!! hahaha wanting to take davis all to herself

[SGuthrie27]

Err... welcome to the boards, CyborgSuperman. That being said, I totally disagree with everything that you said. Chloe's my favorite character, so I never want to see her get killed off the show. And secondly, by her own admission, everything she's done as of late has been in order to protect Clark. She thinks that by keeping the "Beast" in Davis at bay, she's keeping Clark, and the world by extension, safe. Whether or not that would really work long-term, we'll probably never know, but she does have the very best of intentions.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--