Chloe's decisions and consequences ~ The discussion

[Davis Bloome]

An eye for an eye... That's such a hypocrite way of thinking. Consider the death penalty. You take ones life for another life that has been taken by the convicted one for example. How does that separate us from the killer as we just killed him ourselves. I think it just ethically wrong and am glad we have no such barbaric act in my country.

But on topic. The criminals are very different in the Phantom Zone than on earth, far more dangerous and then there are the wraths. So killing criminals in the PZ is fine, but killing criminals on earth is wrong. You're still taking a life, and it would be Clark who is responsible since he put Davis there.

[CloisFan17]

100000000000 percent YES

[mr lane]

An eye for an eye... That's such a hypocrite way of thinking. Consider the death penalty. You take ones life for another life that has been taken by the convicted one for example. How does that separate us from the killer as we just killed him ourselves. I think it just ethically wrong and am glad we have no such barbaric act in my country.

But on topic. The criminals are very different in the Phantom Zone than on earth, far more dangerous and then there are the wraths. So killing criminals in the PZ is fine, but killing criminals on earth is wrong. You're still taking a life, and it would be Clark who is responsible since he put Davis there.

Clark is just trying to reunite Davis with his mother Faora in the PZ whats so wrong with that? :rotfl:

[CloisFan17]

^^haha ummm everything lol

[mr lane]

^^haha ummm everything lol

what would you define as everything?

[galatians221]

An eye for an eye... That's such a hypocrite way of thinking. Consider the death penalty. You take ones life for another life that has been taken by the convicted one for example. How does that separate us from the killer as we just killed him ourselves. I think it just ethically wrong and am glad we have no such barbaric act in my country.

But on topic. The criminals are very different in the Phantom Zone than on earth, far more dangerous and then there are the wraths. So killing criminals in the PZ is fine, but killing criminals on earth is wrong. You're still taking a life, and it would be Clark who is responsible since he put Davis there.

Can we all understand that Davis is not human? He's not Kryptonian. He's from Krypton and is a lab experiment. Clark had no problem giving Milton Fine the electric chair screaming "you're no human". If Davis had morphed into DD at the FOS I don't think that Clark would think twice about sending him to the zone.

[Lilah]

Can we all understand that Davis is not human? He's not Kryptonian. He's from Krypton and is a lab experiment. Clark had no problem giving Milton Fine the electric chair screaming "you're no human". If Davis had morphed into DD at the FOS I don't think that Clark would think twice about sending him to the zone.

Agreed. Which is why its OOC for Clark to be such a sissy. The character of SUPERMAN wouldn't kill DD probably, but this character on Smallville has killed kryptonian aliens, phantoms, Brainiac AND meteor freaks... so why does he have his boxers in a bunch now that he's facing "The Ultimate Destroyer"?:rotfl:

[mr lane]

Can we all understand that Davis is not human? He's not Kryptonian. He's from Krypton and is a lab experiment. Clark had no problem giving Milton Fine the electric chair screaming "you're no human". If Davis had morphed into DD at the FOS I don't think that Clark would think twice about sending him to the zone.

AGREED

i think Davis is meant to give off the humanity factor which is what pulls Chloe in but he is not human

[Lilah]

Well the description you gave me, describes the essence of the show, but not what all story arcs in every seasons are about. That is my point. I liked the episode of Beast which was more about Chloe and Davis and I had no problem with that. I also had no problem with Stiletto where the focus was more on Lois wanting to play superhero, despite Clark and Lois almost having the same screentime it was still mainly about Lois. Do I mind, not at all, on the contrary. It creates variety. While an episode like Stiletto doesn't show much progress imo in the character of Lois, it's still interesting. An episode as commitment is more interesting to me which shows both progress for Clark and Lois. It was funny, and moved the story arc forward for the relationship between Clark and Lois which will always be important in Smallville. But again it doesn't always have to focus on Clark imo. I like episodes where they focus on other characters as much as episodes where the main focus is on Clark. As you said the main focus wasn't on Clark in Beast... Seems the producers are getting it wrong what Smallville is... Or the fans are getting it wrong.

I guess we can agree to disagree then. Because imho I think Smallville should be 1005 fully about Clark Kent and everyone else should grow accordingly to HIS growth. Not the other way around....

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AGREED

i think Davis is meant to give off the humanity factor which is what pulls Chloe in but he is not human

Kinda like Edward in Twilight huh? Well, that turned out good for Bella I guess it'll be the same for Chloe... Not!

[CloisFan17]

everything meaning everythning lol everything would go wrong lol

[AndiGirl]

AGREED

i think Davis is meant to give off the humanity factor which is what pulls Chloe in but he is not human

Thats what's so sad about it. He THINKS he's real. He has had a life...just like anyone else, and one day he wakes up to find he's just a shell of a beast.

Such a heartbraking story. Thats why I cant completely blame Chloe....I would feel horrible for the guy too. Whether he's real or not. :\

[mr lane]

I guess we can agree to disagree then. Because imho I think Smallville should be 1005 fully about Clark Kent and everyone else should grow accordingly to HIS growth. Not the other way around....

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Kinda like Edward in Twilight huh? Well, that turned out good for Bella I guess it'll be the same for Chloe... Not!

i dont think davis and edward really compare though although ive seen a lot of ppl comparing them

Edward seems to actually have some control over himself and he alone isn't the hugest threat to the whole world unlike Davis

Bella doesnt have to be attached to Edward's hip to keep him from being evil lol

[SnowBird]

An eye for an eye... That's such a hypocrite way of thinking. Consider the death penalty. You take ones life for another life that has been taken by the convicted one for example. How does that separate us from the killer as we just killed him ourselves. I think it just ethically wrong and am glad we have no such barbaric act in my country.

But on topic. The criminals are very different in the Phantom Zone than on earth, far more dangerous and then there are the wraths. So killing criminals in the PZ is fine, but killing criminals on earth is wrong. You're still taking a life, and it would be Clark who is responsible since he put Davis there.

I didn't expect a lecture about an "eye for an eye" which is a biblical reference. Each to their own.

Actually I don't think there is anything more dangerous than Doomsday in the Phantom Zone. Now, the monster will be left on earth to destroy mankind. In fact, he even kills Davis by taking over and not allowing Davis to come back.

Sending one criminal to the PZ to save the world is a responsibility Clark was willing to take but it was the last resort and the only solution. Clark's father, Jor-el made the Phantom Zone so criminals would be contained so innocents would be safe. A Kryptonian prizon is appropriate for the Kryptonian Davis/DD.

[melissan02]

Thats what's so sad about it. He THINKS he's human. He has had a life...just like anyone else, and one day he wakes up to find he's just a shell of a beast.

Such a heartbraking story. Thats why I cant completely blame Chloe....I would feel horrible for the guy too. Whether he's real or not. :\

You bring up a good point Andi. I can sorta see where Chloe is coming from, but it's also the reason why I believe she's drawn to Davis. Her feelings for him are growing by the minute, and have been all season IMO. She has seen the "human" side of Davis in a way that Clark, Jimmy, and Ollie have not. And I don't like to use "human side", as to me Davis is just a shell containing Doomsday and has been all along.
Having said all this and given your post, this is why I think Chloe and Clark will be at serious odds in the next episode and finale over this situation and Chloe's irrational thinking/decision making. Thus, changing their friendship forever. Clark knew the right thing to do was to send Davis to the PZ, because he knows that Davis isn't Davis---he's Doomsday. Chloe unfortunately has a bleeding heart right now for Mr. Dimpled and Dark.:rolleyes::(

[CloisFan17]

I think sending him to the PZ would be a horrible mistake for Clark & I think Chloe did the right thing

[galatians221]

I didn't expect a lecture about an "eye for an eye" which is a biblical reference. Each to their own.

Actually I don't think there is anything more dangerous than Doomsday in the Phantom Zone. Now, the monster will be left on earth to destroy mankind. In fact, he even kills Davis by taking over and not allowing Davis to come back.

Sending one criminal to the PZ to save the world is a responsibility Clark was willing to take but it was the last resort and the only solution. Clark's father, Zor-el made the Phantom Zone so criminals would be contained so innocents would be safe. A Kryptonian prizon is appropriate for the Kryptonian Davis/DD.

I'm not being nit picky but Clark's father is Jor El and his uncle is Zor El. I believe it was Zor El who created Doomsday. I'm not certain though.

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I think sending him to the PZ would be a horrible mistake for Clark & I think Chloe did the right thing

You do realize that if Doomsday destroys all of mankind that there will be no season 9?

[SnowBird]

I'm not being nit picky but Clark's father is Jor El and his uncle is Zor El. I believe it was Zor El who created Doomsday. I'm not certain though.

You are right, of course, and thanks for letting me know. I knew Jor-El was Clark's father but my brain is getting tired with it being late. I have made a correction.

[Lilah]

i dont think davis and edward really compare though although ive seen a lot of ppl comparing them

Edward seems to actually have some control over himself and he alone isn't the hugest threat to the whole world unlike Davis

Bella doesnt have to be attached to Edward's hip to keep him from being evil lol

I was comparing them because as a vampire everything he is physically (his look, smell and voice) is what attracts his prey to him. Same goes for Doomsday. He has that shell for a reason, and it is to blend in. So the humans will feel "safe" until its too late, when he attacks.

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I'm not being nit picky but Clark's father is Jor El and his uncle is Zor El. I believe it was Zor El who created Doomsday. I'm not certain though.

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You do realize that if Doomsday destroys all of mankind that there will be no season 9?

Actually Zod created Doomsday and for the sole purpose to destroy Kal-El and whatever planet he inhabited. Which happened to be Earth.

And duh... Doomsday doesn't actually destroy mankind. But he does kill Superman.... Are we not entitled to dislike the villain that actually kills our hero?:D

[CloisFan17]

haha would it be horrible if I said I want Davis around forever??? lol

[SpitCurl]

Oh so I presume you think the focus should be on Clark and only on Clark in every season, in every episode?

Yes :)

Ok, I'll elaborate. Posted this in another thread but it's relevant:

"S4 could've ended Clark's time in Smallville so 5 could focus on him out in the world, traveling, picking up languages, customs and cultures, and learning to use his abilities w/o getting caught... The reason they stall...is because they have to push back the finish line every time they renew the show. Clark's on mile 2,000 of a 5k run...

...I'd be happy if Clark and perhaps Jor-El's voice-over at the fortress were the only recurring characters and every ep or two had Clark in a new place with different faces and situations until he felt it was time to go to Metropolis."

[galatians221]

I was comparing them because as a vampire everything he is physically (his look, smell and voice) is what attracts his prey to him. Same goes for Doomsday. He has that shell for a reason, and it is to blend in. So the humans will feel "safe" until its too late, when he attacks.

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Actually Zod created Doomsday and for the sole purpose to destroy Kal-El and whatever planet he inhabited. Which happened to be Earth.

And duh... Doomsday doesn't actually destroy mankind. But he does kill Superman.... Are we not entitled to dislike the villain that actually kills our hero?:D

He kills Superman and then what? Clark is the world's only defense and the dude can't figure out how to fly. I dislike Doomsday also and wanted Clark to throw him into the Phantom Zone. We're on the same page I think. Clark can't ignore DD's threat to all mankind because it didn't happen in the comic books.

[Lilah]

Yes :)

Ok, I'll elaborate. Posted this in another thread but it's relevant:

"S4 could've ended Clark's time in Smallville so 5 could focus on him out in the world, traveling, picking up languages, customs and cultures, and learning to use his abilities w/o getting caught... The reason they stall...is because they have to push back the finish line every time they renew the show. Clark's on mile 2,000 of a 5k run...

...I'd be happy if Clark and perhaps Jor-El's voice-over at the fortress were the only recurring characters and every ep or two had Clark in a new place with different faces and situations until he felt it was time to go to Metropolis."

THAT would be interesting. I think that's why Supernatural does so well to be honest...

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He kills Superman and then what? Clark is the world's only defense and the dude can't figure out how to fly. I dislike Doomsday also and wanted Clark to throw him into the Phantom Zone. We're on the same page I think. Clark can't ignore DD's threat to all mankind because it didn't happen in the comic books.

He doesn't fly yet... but he will.

[endsxtonight]

Nope Davis was about to take Clark with him. Also, what if the PZ can't hold Davis? It takes Clark but the Beast is still on earth. She has no choice.

I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with this, because I do believe that Chloe DOES have a choice. Everybody has a choice, even Clark, Oliver, Jimmy, Lois, etc. You either do what's right or you betray the one's you love, and I believe that Chloe is seriously betraying Clark in a big way. Her actions in this episode showed me that, when she CHOSE Davis over her best friend of eight years.

Chloe, imho, has this whole "I need to be needed/ I need to be able to save someone" martyr complex, and this episode is a perfect example of this. Clark is moving on and he's not needing as much this season as he has in the past, and so now she's focusing on Davis, and he's the thing that she's going to save. She needs that validation, to know that she did something for the greater good of the world - when in fact, and this is just my humble opinion - she's doing this for HERSELF more than she is for Davis (even though, I do believe that she is denying some feelings she has for him), Clark and the greater good.


Davis doesn't want to be a killer, he killed himself so he wouldn't hurt anyone.

I might have been willing to believe this a couple episodes ago, but after seeing this most recent episode, I really don't. I'm finished with giving the last of my warm and fuzzies to Davis, because if he really did care about Chloe the way he claimes he does and if he really does want to stop the beast from coming out and destorying the world, and kill Clark - then he would have willingly let Clark send him to the Phantom Zone, without ANY hesitation whatsoever.


It's not about Davis, it's about Clark.

Sorry, but I disgree again, it's not about Clark or even Davis anymore (IMHO), rather it has more to do with Chloe, HERSELF!

And, hiya, I'm new to the board. Sorry, to just jump in the middle, but I thought I'd throw my two cents out there. :)

[Serynarpc]

Yes, I do.

As I've said before, Chloe is attempting to keep the peace between both men the only way that she knows how. Its not easy and she's made a lot of mistakes by being secretive and not confiding in Clark, but she's trying to prevent Doomsday.
I doubt that she's disloyal, as she's always been Clark's shining light. She might be conflicted, but she's always been on his side.

I have no idea what her game plan is, but she's fighting the good fight the only way that she knows how.

[Davis Bloome]

I'd say Davis could be himself. He kills on earth and he could kill in the phantom zone.

For those who think it was a bad idea for Clark to send Davis to the Phantom Zone: Is it now better for Davis to stay on earth and kill Clark and anyone else that gets in his way?

If Davis would die in the PZ, it would be a fitting punishment for someone who is a murderer. An eye for an eye so to speak. In fact the PZ is actually too good for Davis as it gives him a chance for survival. It is more than he would get from the court system where he would probably get the death penalty...People are trying to humanize Davis and he isn't capable of being a human. He is only a Kryptonian suit for the monster Doomsday and even though Chloe thinks she is a cure for Davis, future events will prove Davis can't fight his destiny and will be the Ultimate Destroyer. This could all have been prevented if Chloe hadn't stolen Clark's key and changed Clark's plan to save the world from Davis/DD.
Excuse me, it wasn't meant to be a lecture, it was just my opinion on the 'eye for an eye' mentality. Well the fact I'm not religious maybe has something to do why I don't agree with it maybe. But anyway I'll avoid getting in debate about actual real subjects and I'll stick to Smallville.

As for what you said I think we disagree on what Davis is. You seem to see DD and Davis as one, I don't. He may not be 'real', it might be a camouflage, but Davis has a personality, feelings, morals... almost everything that make him human. Personally I feel that Clark hasn't done enough effort in trying to 'save' Davis and while the viewer knows he's doomed, Clark doesn't. I've said many times also that freezing Davis in would be a better choice instead of condemning him to eternal hell. If Davis didn't exist and only DD did then I still wouldn't agree to send DD to the PZ. He's a bloodthirsty animal and he would wipe out all criminals there. So what would be the difference between Clark, who killed criminals in the PZ by sending DD there, and Davis who killed criminals on earth?

[mr lane]

Excuse me, it wasn't meant to be a lecture, it was just my opinion on the 'eye for an eye' mentality. Well the fact I'm not religious maybe has something to do why I don't agree with it maybe. But anyway I'll avoid getting in debate about actual real subjects and I'll stick to Smallville.

As for what you said I think we disagree on what Davis is. You seem to see DD and Davis as one, I don't. He may not be 'real', it might be a camouflage, but Davis has a personality, feelings, morals... almost everything that make him human. Personally I feel that Clark hasn't done enough effort in trying to 'save' Davis and while the viewer knows he's doomed, Clark doesn't. I've said many times also that freezing Davis in would be a better choice instead of condemning him to eternal hell. If Davis didn't exist and only DD did then I still wouldn't agree to send DD to the PZ. He's a bloodthirsty animal and he would wipe out all criminals there. So what would be the difference between Clark, who killed criminals in the PZ by sending DD there, and Davis who killed criminals on earth?


and i think that was Faora and Zod's plan after all by having Davis adapt to whatever environment he was in, it seems like ALMOST the perfect plan to have Clark and others feel sorry for him, it lowers their guard

[Davis Bloome]

and i think that was Faora and Zod's plan after all by having Davis adapt to whatever environment he was in, it seems like ALMOST the perfect plan to have Clark and others feel sorry for him, it lowers their guard
I don't think it was their plan that Davis was Doomsday's camouflage. Faora after all, was highly surprised when she met Davis. How he was helping people instead of killing them. So that probably proves not everything went according to plan.

[Billy Jor-El]

And on another take...what is Lois's reaction when her cousin is missing? Don't you think she'd call out the authorities, not just turn to Clark? There hasn't been a sign Chloe's contacted anyone about her departure other than Clark, and what's he going to tell Lois? Davis is already headline news as a serial killer, so with the law looking for Chloe, it could get messy very quickly.

[amalie]

And on another take...what is Lois's reaction when her cousin is missing? Don't you think she'd call out the authorities, not just turn to Clark? There hasn't been a sign Chloe's contacted anyone about her departure other than Clark, and what's he going to tell Lois? Davis is already headline news as a serial killer, so with the law looking for Chloe, it could get messy very quickly.


Chloe left at the end of Beast and seemingly will be back for Injustice from what we've seen on the trailer, I doubt there's enough time for Lois to worry.

[mr lane]

I don't think it was their plan that Davis was Doomsday's camouflage. Faora after all, was highly surprised when she met Davis. How he was helping people instead of killing them. So that probably proves not everything went according to plan.

i agree she was surprised but i think toward the end of bloodline she had expected Davis to be weak which led her to stabbing him to make him "stronger"

she knew within time his true self would emerge

[5Mins]

Can we all understand that Davis is not human? He's not Kryptonian. He's from Krypton and is a lab experiment. Clark had no problem giving Milton Fine the electric chair screaming "you're no human". If Davis had morphed into DD at the FOS I don't think that Clark would think twice about sending him to the zone.

Milton Fine was obviously an evil being that would stop at nothing to murder, manipulate and destroy. While Doomsday is evil, Davis is not; he has been portrayed as a very human victim of circumstances beyond his control (see: becoming a paramedic, trying to find some way to channel the beast's powers into doing good). Sentencing him to death or imprisonment should be the absolute LAST choice, once all other possible options have been shown to be flawed, and even then it would be a terrible thing to do.

Of course if the Davis side 'dies' somehow, or is separated, you just have another monster to destroy. :(

[Sarevokcz]

and it was stated, that "Davis" is just a camouflage, his purpose isnt being "human" with beast within, but almost unstoppable moster, which could camouflage himself until he is finally evolved and ready to drop his mascarade.

and if Davis murdering someone after his ressurection and staying with Chloe in Talon and almost killing Jimmy and Oliver isnt enough proof, that Chloes plan is flawed as it gets, then i dont know what is. everyone who dies to DD is on Chloes hands from now on, she knows that and she should be prepared for consequences when this is over.

[SnowBird]

Excuse me, it wasn't meant to be a lecture, it was just my opinion on the 'eye for an eye' mentality. Well the fact I'm not religious maybe has something to do why I don't agree with it maybe. But anyway I'll avoid getting in debate about actual real subjects and I'll stick to Smallville.

As for what you said I think we disagree on what Davis is. You seem to see DD and Davis as one, I don't. He may not be 'real', it might be a camouflage, but Davis has a personality, feelings, morals... almost everything that make him human. Personally I feel that Clark hasn't done enough effort in trying to 'save' Davis and while the viewer knows he's doomed, Clark doesn't. I've said many times also that freezing Davis in would be a better choice instead of condemning him to eternal hell. If Davis didn't exist and only DD did then I still wouldn't agree to send DD to the PZ. He's a bloodthirsty animal and he would wipe out all criminals there. So what would be the difference between Clark, who killed criminals in the PZ by sending DD there, and Davis who killed criminals on earth?

You are not religious so you don't believe in the "eye for an eye" mentality, but then you refer to the Phantom Zone as an "eternal hell" also a biblical reference. I'm not seeing the logic in your statement.

You want to freeze Davis but his body will adjust and thaw out just like he becomes undead after he dies. I guess the frozen Davis could be placed deep under the artic burying him alive for eternity since he is immortal (a moral issue). That is until someone drills for oil or there is an earthquake and he escapes.

Since you don't have a solution to the problem of Davis turning into Doomsday, the rights of the living do not count, but the rights of Davis outweighs thousands of innocent lives and will leave Clark in a pool of blood, dead or injured by DD.

I think I will choose the Phantom Zone where he won't kill innocent people and Davis could at least have a fighting chance if he is smart enough. Of course, you will get your way and Davis will not go to the PZ because there was a missed oportunity with the interruption from Chloe. Davis will permanently become Doomsday as in a death instead of having his chance to survive in the PZ. Oh, by the way, I don't think the Phantom Zone is an eternal hell since there is a slim chance that there is a way to escape. There is no escape from Hell.

[prodigykane]

As for what you said I think we disagree on what Davis is. You seem to see DD and Davis as one, I don't. He may not be 'real', it might be a camouflage, but Davis has a personality, feelings, morals... almost everything that make him human. Personally I feel that Clark hasn't done enough effort in trying to 'save' Davis and while the viewer knows he's doomed, Clark doesn't. I've said many times also that freezing Davis in would be a better choice instead of condemning him to eternal hell. If Davis didn't exist and only DD did then I still wouldn't agree to send DD to the PZ. He's a bloodthirsty animal and he would wipe out all criminals there. So what would be the difference between Clark, who killed criminals in the PZ by sending DD there, and Davis who killed criminals on earth?

I get what you're saying but I disagree. You must be against the entire creation of the PZ. As we know, the PZ to kryptonians is the equivalent to earth to humans, meaning that when a krytonian is banished to the PZ they are stripped of their powers. As we also know in the PZ its every man for them self.

Most of the phantoms in there go around looking for trouble. Yet Clark had no issue sending Nam-Ek and Aethyr to the PZ. Did they not face the same risk of death as Clark, Kara, and Raya did?

What if the same phantom that nearly killed Clark (if Raya didn't save him) would have come in contact with Nam-Ek and Aethyr? If your case is Clark shouldn't send him there because he might have blood on his hands then you should be against the entire creation of the PZ because whenever someone is sent there their lives are at risk of being taken by another zoner. And due to the fact we don't know the origins of every being in the PZ who's to say whether or not Davis can kill them? He will adjust to freezing and escape. Yeah its possible he could escape the zone, but thats the case with everyone there. What do you think is easier to break out of for Doomsday? Ice or a Demension?

[Davis Bloome]

You are not religious so you don't believe in the "eye for an eye" mentality, but then you refer to the Phantom Zone as an "eternal hell" also a biblical reference. I'm not seeing the logic in your statement. The eternal hell reference is more of a comparison rather than that having something to do with my belief, you see the difference?



You want to freeze Davis but his body will adjust and thaw out just like he becomes undead after he dies. I guess the frozen Davis could be placed deep under the artic burying him alive for eternity since he is immortal (a moral issue). That is until someone drills for oil or there is an earthquake and he escapes. Doesn't Superman have almost like an eternal life? If he visited the fortress frequently to see if Davis was still frozen in, why should we be afraid that somebody goes over there to drill for oil? And about adjusting? If he is in hibernation and not concious of where he is, there no chance he can escape even if his body adapts, and it seems to only adapt when he dies. If Clark couldn't escape, then there must be a way that Davis can't either.



I think I will choose the Phantom Zone where he won't kill innocent people and Davis could at least have a fighting chance if he is smart enough. It's not about being smart, it's about being strong, and Davis without he's powers isn't that strong, so he has small chances to survive there with a lot more dangerous criminals than him. Only if he could transform into DD would he have a chance to survive and I don't think that's a good option either. So I don't see what good solution there is with the PZ. I think you're just fishing for excuses to justify Clark's actions.

[SnowBird]

Doesn't Superman have almost like an eternal life? If he visited the fortress frequently to see if Davis was still frozen in, why should we be afraid that somebody goes over there to drill for oil? And about adjusting? If he is in hibernation and not concious of where he is, there no chance he can escape even if his body adapts, and it seems to only adapt when he dies. If Clark couldn't escape, then there must be a way that Davis can't either.

I don't think Clark would bury a frozen Davis in the Fortress. I said the arctic not the FOS. Clark can't be checking on Davis 24/7. He has more important things to do like saving people. Anyway, it's not going to work because we know Doomsday fights Superman in the future so Davis will escape eventually wherever he is placed. Even the PZ is a temporary solution to keep Davis/DD away from killing humans. Worrying about which one is the most humane is not a problem for me. I don't feel sorry for mass murderers.


It's not about being smart, it's about being strong, and Davis without he's powers isn't that strong, so he has small chances to survive there with a lot more dangerous criminals than him. Only if he could transform into DD would he have a chance to survive and I don't think that's a good option either. So I don't see what good solution there is with the PZ. I think you're just fishing for excuses to justify Clark's actions.

I think it is the other way around. You are trying to justify why we should feel sorry for Davis the killer and fugitive from justice. I for one, don't care what happens to the Kryptonian who turns into the future Ultimate Destroyer resulting in the death of Superman.

I think we are at a standstill.

[Davis Bloome]

I think it is the other way around. You are trying to justify why we should feel sorry for Davis the killer and fugitive from justice. I for one, don't care what happens to the Kryptonian who turns into the future Ultimate Destroyer resulting in the death of Superman.

I think we are at a standstill.
No I don't care if you feel sorry for him or not. I just try to think of a better solution other than the PZ that would be a suitable punishment for what Davis (not DD) has done plus what also would solve the problem of Davis ever becoming Doomsday again. Since DD comes to life when his thirst for blood begins to grow again, hibernation would be a solution as long as they would know that he wasn't concious. Cause as long as he isn't he can't grow a thirst for blood, thus he wouldn't become DD any longer. Clark wouldn't have to visit him only frequently. Besides it is his fortress, so he goes there frequently anyway, so it's not like he would waste much time to check up on DD.

[Cogito17]

At some point Davis/Doomsday has to be held accountable for his actions. If you have a dangerous criminal, you don't say "Well we can't put him in jail because he might get hurt, or hurt the other prisoners". Jail/the PZ is a place for people who are a danger to normal society, why should the rest of society have to be exposed to that danger?

Clark, Lois, Kara, Rya, Nam-Ek, and Aethyr have all survived in the Phantom Zone without any kind of powers. Why couldn't Davis? It might be dangerous, yes, but so is regular prison. That doesn't mean we don't send people there when they deserve to go.

I think the fact that Davis is mixed up with Doomsday complicates things, but in "Beast" he proved that Davis himself is no longer an innocent person. He threatened people and kidnapped Oliver/Jimmy, with the intent of possibly killing one of them. Davis' hands are no longer clean in this matter (if you even considered them to be clean coming in, which I didn't).

[SnowBird]

No I don't care if you feel sorry for him or not. I just try to think of a better solution other than the PZ that would be a suitable punishment for what Davis (not DD) has done plus what also would solve the problem of Davis ever becoming Doomsday again. Since DD comes to life when his thirst for blood begins to grow again, hibernation would be a solution as long as they would know that he wasn't concious. Cause as long as he isn't he can't grow a thirst for blood, thus he wouldn't become DD any longer. Clark wouldn't have to visit him only frequently. Besides it is his fortress, so he goes there frequently anyway, so it's not like he would waste much time to check up on DD.

How do you explain the future battle between Doomsday and Superman if Davis can be kept safely frozen for eternity?

[amalie]

How is a permanent form of hibernation better than being imprisoned? It sounds more like death to me.

[SnowBird]

At some point Davis/Doomsday has to be held accountable for his actions. If you have a dangerous criminal, you don't say "Well we can't put him in jail because he might get hurt, or hurt the other prisoners". Jail/the PZ is a place for people who are a danger to normal society, why should the rest of society have to be exposed to that danger?)

I agree. Davis needs some sort of punishment that fits the crimes he committed.

[endsxtonight]

Here's the thing, Clark was making the best choice that he COULD make, when he decided to send Davis to the Phantom Zone. Chloe, on the other hand, made the WORST mistake that she could have possibly EVER made, by choosing Davis OVER Clark (her bff for eight years), and ultimately betraying him in the end. Everybody thinks she's a hero and they're all busy scrambling to justify or explain away Davis's actions rather than hold him responsible for what he's done.

This is clearly about choices and some are making the right choices (or trying to) and some are making the wrong choices, and trying to find some way of justifying themselves in the process. I'm not buying it, because if Davis was really sincere about wanting to stop the beast from coming out and destorying the world (and killing Clark), the he would have willingly went to the Phantom Zone for the time being, regardless of whether Chloe would be there or not.

Davis is a murder that Chloe housed in her basement, you really wouldn't harbor the nice little phedophile in the grounds keeper shed, out behind the pre-school would you? And, then explain your actions by saying, oh, but I felt so sorry for him, because he was so abused as a child that he can't help the man he became. You'd never get so far as to convince all the parents of those kids, that. So, why on earth, are some of us trying to find a way to explain away or justify the fact that Davis participated and is pretty much a mass murderer who is going to eventually morph fully into DD and kill Clark?

It just doesn't make any sense to me, because when I look at Beast again, I see an episode that showed me that it's not just DD making these decisions, that clearly Davis is as well. He's covering up for the beast, he's the one who held Oliver and Jimmy hostage, he's the one who told them that he was going to have to kill one of them. This was all Davis and the episode went further as to show us, that Davis is just a "camoflauge" for the DD. So, therefore, as far as I'm concerned I'm not longer looking at him as human. He's just, he's not human. I mean, if we want to call his morals into question and say that he has them, maybe he did at one point. But, I believe now he doesn't and I'm all for Clark sending him to the Phantom Zone.

And, Chloe...well, she's just a disappointment in the fact that I don't think she's doing this for Clark or the good of the world at all, and it could be that maybe she's not even really doing this for Davis, either. She's pretty much doing this for herself, because I see in her this complex of needing to be needed or needing to save someone. And, if Clark is needing her less, well now Davis presents herself with the perfect option of having someone that needs her, someone that needs to be saved.

I really don't see any good coming out of this or any way that she could be redeemed, nor do I see that she's doing this for Clark. It just seems ridiculous to me, to refer to her as a hero. Understand, I'm not calling anyone rdiculous at all, but rather I'm just saying it sounds ridiculous in my head when I think, "Chloe and hero," in the same sentence. I wanted to clarify that, so no one misunderstands me.

Once again, just my three cents. Don't shoot me, please. :)

[Davis Bloome]

How is a permanent form of hibernation better than being imprisoned? It sounds more like death to me. Well sending Davis in the PZ sounds like somebody is going to die anyway, either Davis if he has no powers or the criminals there if Davis would be able to change.
And in a permanent form of hibernation Clark wouldn't really kill anyone so he can keep to his code of ethics. If Davis is not aware of what is going on around him, he wouldn't suffer either.

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How do you explain the future battle between Doomsday and Superman if Davis can be kept safely frozen for eternity? It's more of an hypothetical question. You can't explain it either by sending him to the Phantom Zone. So I just tried to explain what I think... Imo, what would have been a better solution instead of the PZ which Clark chose for.

[prodigykane]

Well sending Davis in the PZ sounds like somebody is going to die anyway, either Davis if he has no powers or the criminals there if Davis would be able to change.
And in a permanent form of hibernation Clark wouldn't really kill anyone so he can keep to his code of ethics. If Davis is not aware of what is going on around him, he wouldn't suffer either.

So I guess you feel that Clark is wrong for sending Nam-Ek and Aethyr there? There is no guarantee they will be killed or kill. Just as there is no guarantee Davis will be killed or kill. We don't know all the beings in the PZ. Thats the chance thats taken evertime someone goes to prison.

[amalie]

Well sending Davis in the PZ sounds like somebody is going to die anyway, either Davis if he has no powers or the criminals there if Davis would be able to change.
And in a permanent form of hibernation Clark wouldn't really kill anyone so he can keep to his code of ethics. If Davis is not aware of what is going on around him, he wouldn't suffer either.


If Davis retains his human facade in the PZ then I'm sure his parents will take care of him. It doesn't mean an automatic death, Kara managed to survive without her powers. As for other inhabitants, we've already seen evidence in Bloodline of them killing one another and I believe many of the inmates are 'phantoms' who cannot be killed. In fact these phantoms already roam free in the PZ killing at will.

The permanent form of hibernation sounds like a cop out to me.

EDIT: Somehow I managed to post this in the wrong thread so I've delete that post and moved it over here....it's been a long day.

[Davis Bloome]

Zod and Faora don't seem like the role-model type of parents, so I think they don't see Davis as their son, but DD. And if he's not DD any longer, he's not useful in no way to them. Kara managed to survive cause she at least knew what the PZ is like. And as you said, killing people does happen in the PZ... The PZ might be a suitable place for DD, but imo not for Davis. He's still a mass murderer so he deserves to go at least into a normal prison, not something as intense as the PZ, but we all know that sending him to a normal prison is impossible.

[amalie]

Zod and Faora don't seem like the role-model type of parents, so I think they don't see Davis as their son, but DD. And if he's not DD any longer, he's not useful in no way to them. Kara managed to survive cause she at least knew what the PZ is like. And as you said, killing people does happen in the PZ... The PZ might be a suitable place for DD, but imo not for Davis. He's still a mass murderer so he deserves to go at least into a normal prison, not something as intense as the PZ, but we all know that sending him to a normal prison is impossible.


He can't go to a normal prison you're right about that. Davis is Doomsday and vice verse, there's no separating the two in this situation. If Doomsday needs to be incarcerated in the PZ then the human front has to go with him. I disagree when you say it's not the right place for Davis, it's exactly the right place for him. The PZ was created for people just like him.

[Davis Bloome]

The PZ was created for the worst criminals. And Davis motif to kill might still be wrong, but the fact he didn't want to kill and felt he had no choice has to be taken into account. He was forced to kill. Even Clark seemed to understand that in 'Eternal'. And as I said the PZ is for creatures like DD who do want to kill unlike Davis, but the problem is that you can't seperate them as you said yourself.

[amalie]

The PZ was created for the worst criminals. And Davis motif to kill might still be wrong, but the fact he didn't want to kill and felt he had no choice has to be taken into account. He was forced to kill. Even Clark seemed to understand that in 'Eternal'. And as I said the PZ is for creatures like DD who do want to kill unlike Davis, but the problem is that you can't seperate them as you said yourself.


He chose to kill. He selected his victims and while I understand his situation that's doesn't excuse his actions. He's a murderer and a threat that has to be contained. There is nowhere that can hold him except the PZ.

Davis IS Doomsday, the moment Chloe's not around he begins to transform because underneath it all that's who he was programmed to be. Soon he won't be able to control that transformation, even in Chloe's presence, we've already seen him deteriorating.

[Davis Bloome]

I still think he was more forced to kill rather than it being a choice. Yes he made a choice in who he killed, which is wrong and the killing is still wrong too, but I understand considering his situation.

And I agree, what Davis and Chloe are is what you could called star-crossed lovers. Inevitably doomed. It's how it is meant to be. But yeah I think I'll always have a different opinion about the PZ, not just with you but with other members here on this forum.

[prodigykane]

I still think he was more forced to kill rather than it being a choice. Yes he made a choice in who he killed, which is wrong and the killing is still wrong too, but I understand considering his situation.

And I agree, what Davis and Chloe are is what you could called star-crossed lovers. Inevitably doomed. It's how it is meant to be. But yeah I think I'll always have a different opinion about the PZ, not just with you but with other members here on this forum.

davis is evil...he knows who oliver and jimmy are...he know they would never do anything to hurt chloe YET he knocks them out and tie them down in the basement knowing that he might have an episode. That sounds like a choice to me.

[Davis Bloome]

He knocked them out cause he couldn't allow himself to be seen, and he said himself he thought Chloe was in trouble. Maybe he knocked out Jimmy first because after all he was stealing money. But to admit the choice who to kill of the two was a selfish one, but there wasn't much choice. He had to kill someone or DD would just have killed more innocents. It's not like he had the option to go and hope to find another criminal in the hopes that at least some justice could have been brought by killing someone.

[prodigykane]

He knocked them out cause he couldn't allow himself to be seen, and he said himself he thought Chloe was in trouble. Maybe he knocked out Jimmy first because after all he was stealing money. But to admit the choice who to kill of the two was a selfish one, but there wasn't much choice. He had to kill someone or DD would just have killed more innocents. It's not like he had the option to go and hope to find another criminal in the hopes that at least some justice could have been brought by killing someone.

He knocked Oliver out first. Oliver didn't even break in, he went to check on Chloe and he was about to lose his life over it. This goes to show how unstable Davis is. Oliver is her boss/friend. Why would he harm her? Jimmy on the other hand is in question for stealing the money but why would he tie them up knowing that they posed no threat to Chloe (due to the fact she wasn't even around) or himself. He could have just kicked them out and went about his way. Jimmy already had a good look at him so he was outed. He know the danger that DD pose to Oliver and Jimmy's lives so why would he even put them in that situation. It was Davis who chose to do that not DD.

[Davis Bloome]

Well I know it's still wrong, but Davis knew he was a wanted person, so he knew both would have ratted him out to the authorities or to Clark. And yeah Davis didn't like that idea of course. That's why he agreed to free them after they had left Smallville, cause then it wouldn't have mattered if they ratted him out. He hoped that he wouldn't have to kill either of them and that Chloe would arrive on time before DD could resurface. But she didn't arrive on time so not everything went according to plan unfortunately.

[Jawth]

The PZ was created for the worst criminals. And Davis motif to kill might still be wrong, but the fact he didn't want to kill and felt he had no choice has to be taken into account. He was forced to kill. Even Clark seemed to understand that in 'Eternal'. And as I said the PZ is for creatures like DD who do want to kill unlike Davis, but the problem is that you can't seperate them as you said yourself.

Davis is a murderer. When presented with a solution that will assure him he will never hurt an innocent person again, his response is a resounding "NoWaaah! it's not my fault!" and then "You're coming too, even if you save people's lives on a daily basis!"

The Phantom Zone was designed for people like him. Worst case scenario the Zoners kill him, which he deserves.

[prodigykane]

Well I know it's still wrong, but Davis knew he was a wanted person, so he knew both would have ratted him out to the authorities or to Clark. And yeah Davis didn't like that idea of course. That's why he agreed to free them after they had left Smallville, cause then it wouldn't have mattered if they ratted him out. He hoped that he wouldn't have to kill either of them and that Chloe would arrive on time before DD could resurface. But she didn't arrive on time so not everything went according to plan unfortunately.

Let's equate this to a drunk driver:

Drunk: Had way too much to drink.
Davis: Knocked Oliver and JImmy out.

Drunk: Wants to get home.
Davis: Wants to get out of town under the radar.

Drunk: Decides to drive home knowing the danger he pose to the drivers on the road.
Davis: Decides to lock them down in the basement knowing the
danger DD pose to Jimmy and Oliver.

Drunk: Starts to get woozy and realize he can't control himself.
Davis: Starts to morph and realize he can't control himself.

Drunk: Car spins out of control and nearly kills some drivers.
Davis: Loses control of DD and nearly kills Oliver.

Drunk: Before it all started he knew the danger he posed if he
drank and then drive yet still did what he did.
Davis: Before it all started he knew the danger DD posed to Jimmy and Oliver yet
did what he did.

Drunk: Really didn't want anyone to get hurt but was too caught
up in getting home he didn't think about the potential consequences
of his actions.
Davis: Really didn't want anyone to get hurt but was too caught
up with leaving with Chloe under the radar that he didn't
didn't think about the potential consequences of his
actions.

Drunk: If his car spun into another driver and killed
them would it have not been his CHOICE that caused
the death?
Davis: If he morphed into DD and he killed one of them would it
have not been Davis CHOICE that caused their deaths?

Aren't they both wrong?

[Davis Bloome]

difference is the drunk had a choice to drive or not, while Davis assumed Chloe was in danger. He would have been seen, so didn't he knock out jimmy and Oliver, he would have been ratted out. So it was his choice to knock them both out, but only because he felt he had no choice but to knock them out, otherwise he would have been ratted out, as I said in my former post

@Jawth, I think you need to figure out when Davis is completely himself and when he isn't. When he refused to go in the PZ, check out the red eyes, he wasn't completely himself. You think he deserves to be in there, sure you're entitled to your opinion, but let's start at the beginning. Was it ever Davis choice to have alter ego namely Doomsday which he couldn't control, no. Before the PZ, what option did he have to control the beast, only Chloe or killing other people. He tried to kill himself and that didn't work.

[endsxtonight]

Wow, I guess my thoughts aren't welcome in here.

[Davis Bloome]

Lol I think mine aren't much either, but you can try anyway;)

[Jawth]

difference is the drunk had a choice to drive or not, while Davis assumed Chloe was in danger. He would have been seen, so didn't he knock out jimmy and Oliver, he would have been ratted out. So it was his choice to knock them both out, but only because he felt he had no choice but to knock them out, otherwise he would have been ratted out, as I said in my former post

@Jawth, I think you need to figure out when Davis is completely himself and when he isn't. When he refused to go in the PZ, check out the red eyes, he wasn't completely himself. You think he deserves to be in there, sure you're entitled to your opinion, but let's start at the beginning. Was it ever Davis choice to have alter ego namely Doomsday which he couldn't control, no. Before the PZ, what option did he have to control the beast, only Chloe or killing other people. He tried to kill himself and that didn't work.


If Davis was in the basement where he belonged, he would never have had to KO Ollie and Jimmy.

Davis is Doomsday. When he transforms he might lose his inhibitions and get dumber, but he's still the same entity. The fact that DD trashed her wedding to kidnap her and didn't gore her proves this.

[endsxtonight]

Lol I think mine aren't much either, but you can try anyway;)

I did, but apparently everyone else that's holding a conversation with one another in here, are completely ignoring me. So, I guess, I'm not welcome in this thread or on this board.

[Davis Bloome]

If Davis was in the basement where he belonged, he would never have had to KO Ollie and Jimmy.

Davis is Doomsday. When he transforms he might lose his inhibitions and get dumber, but he's still the same entity. The fact that DD trashed her wedding to kidnap her and didn't gore her proves this.
First of all, I already said that Davis left the basement because he feared Chloe was in danger. Maybe it was a mistake to leave the basement, but at least his intentions were good, the outcome wasn't

Second I believe that DD trashed the wedding to collect Chloe, because she was the vessel of Brainiac and it was Brainiac who wanted to help DD to evolve, to explain Davis who and what he truly is. I don't think it had anything to do with Davis having feelings for Chloe. If Brainiac wasn't behind it, how did DD know where the fortress was?

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I did, but apparently everyone else that's holding a conversation with one another in here, are completely ignoring me. So, I guess, I'm not welcome in this thread or on this board. I think it's mostly because they agree with what you say and don't need to elaborate on your opinion maybe. Can't see another reason. I mean I get quoted quite often, but that is just because people seem to disagree with me a lot, and that is also not a good thing lol

[ReevesSuperman]

Chloe is an idiot and there is nothing heroic for not letting Clark or Ollie deal with Davis. Davis is a killer there is zero discussion on this. Chloe wants to nail Davis and save your friend, because she feels guilty about hiding him. That dream sequence basically told you she wants her cake and eat it to.

I was hoping Chloe would be dead by now, but they keep bringing her back even though the LEGION episode spelled out she is not going to be part of the mythos. She should have died at the end of season six with Lois. I really do hope they kill her so this show can move on to making Clark into Superman instead of someone pansy constantly bogged down by Chloe and Lana.

[Jawth]

First of all, I already said that Davis left the basement because he feared Chloe was in danger. Maybe it was a mistake to leave the basement, but at least his intentions were good, the outcome wasn't

Second I believe that DD trashed the wedding to collect Chloe, because she was the vessel of Brainiac and it was Brainiac who wanted to help DD to evolve, to explain Davis who and what he truly is. I don't think it had anything to do with Davis having feelings for Chloe. If Brainiac wasn't behind it, how did DD know where the fortress was?

Doomsday doesn't have the brainpower for that. He went to get Chloe, which is why he clearly said her name, not Brainiac's. As for him knowing where the Fortress is, Doomy has been shown to be drawn to Kryptonians in the comics. He sensed his dead world and went there, although I admit that Brainiac probably planned the whole thing, but there's nothing to suggest that Doomsday was looking for Brainiac.

[galatians221]

Doomsday doesn't have the brainpower for that. He went to get Chloe, which is why he clearly said her name, not Brainiac's. As for him knowing where the Fortress is, Doomy has been shown to be drawn to Kryptonians in the comics. He sensed his dead world and went there, although I admit that Brainiac probably planned the whole thing, but there's nothing to suggest that Doomsday was looking for Brainiac.

The mistake was having Davis delay the DD morph by killing someone. That's just off the charts regarding morbid. The whole arc is just too dark and the dream scene with Clark half eaten and hanging on a clothes line was ridiculous. We need some fresh writers who love Superman and not dark morbid Freddy Krueger arcs.

[RedKRules]

I don´t agree with all decisions, but I try to understand.

[Davis Bloome]

Doomsday doesn't have the brainpower for that. He went to get Chloe, which is why he clearly said her name, not Brainiac's. As for him knowing where the Fortress is, Doomy has been shown to be drawn to Kryptonians in the comics. He sensed his dead world and went there, although I admit that Brainiac probably planned the whole thing, but there's nothing to suggest that Doomsday was looking for Brainiac.
Well DD might not have the brainpower for it, but brainiac does, besides I think it's not coincidence for when Davis woke up, who was standing there? Brainiac. It just seems that he was in control of DD to crash the wedding, although sometimes I think that Davis partially was responsible for it, cause as Davis he wouldn't be able to crash it, though as DD, without any thought of responsability, remorse, regret, rationality etc... as DD he could. They might have two different personalities, but maybe they do feel the same things. After all it was DD who killed that criminal (forgot his name) who tried to kill Chloe in Stiletto, so I think that DD partially feels what Davis feels. But I think it's still debatable whether he came there with the sole purpose to crash the wedding or if he came there to collect the vessel for brainiac. Or both...

[prodigykane]

difference is the drunk had a choice to drive or not

Actually you're wrong because Davis did have the choice to knock them out and tie them up.



He would have been seen, so didn't he knock out jimmy and Oliver, he would have been ratted out. So it was his choice to knock them both out, but only because he felt he had no choice but to knock them out, otherwise he would have been ratted out, as I said in my former post

Other Choice: not knock them out and hold them captive

He wasn't concerned with being seen because if he was he wouldn't have hit Oliver in the back of the head thus letting himself be seen by Jimmy. Obviously he didn't care about being ratted out because whether it was Oliver and Jimmy or the milk man and the fed-ex guy he would have knocked one out first and the second would have seen him before being knocked out thus revealing the man that is on the cover of that day's paper as a wanted fugitive.

If it was some guys he didn't recognize it would be "night night". And if he didn't make them go "Night Night" don't you think that they would have ratted him out to the authorities? Luckily it was people Chloe was cool with so they just got the "tie up in the basement" treatment.

He could have just peeped in the apartment and seen what was going on but yet he decides to take the violent route and knocks them out and tie them up putting both their lives in danger. If he would have taken the time to see exactly what was going on all of that could have been avoided. That would have been a pretty good choice. Doncha think?

[Davis Bloome]

And what was going on was that Jimmy was stealing from Chloe, so I don't Davis would just have stood by and do nothing, cause he isn't a coward to let that happen. Since he loves Chloe he couldn't tolerate that. Davis didn't think on the fact he might change into DD at that point, he just did what felt had to happen. Prevent someone to steal from the one he loves. Besides they still have no place to be there. They can't just walk in there, it's Chloe's apartment, not theirs. Truth be told Oliver didn't come there with bad intentions, he was just a victim of circumstances. But if he has to knock out Oliver to reach Jimmy, then there's not much choice left from his perspective, not from ours.

[prodigykane]

And what was going on was that Jimmy was stealing from Chloe, so I don't Davis would just have stood by and do nothing, cause he isn't a coward to let that happen. Since he loves Chloe he couldn't tolerate that. Davis didn't think on the fact he might change into DD at that point, he just did what felt had to happen. Prevent someone to steal from the one he loves. Besides they still have no place to be there. They can't just walk in there, it's Chloe's apartment, not theirs. Truth be told Oliver didn't come there with bad intentions, he was just a victim of circumstances. But if he has to knock out Oliver to reach Jimmy, then there's not much choice left from his perspective, not from ours.

C'mon now. Knock out Oliver to get to Jimmy? Lets be serious. It wasn't even like Oliver had a chance. He didn't know it was coming. It wasn't like he was trying to stop him from getting to Jimmy.

By you saying Oliver was a "victim of circumstances" you just proved my point that Davis is unstable and shouldn't be in normal society. You know who else were "victims of circumstances"? the people who were killed earlier in the season before Davis chose to kill the "bad guys". Davis didn't have to do what he did to Oliver or Jimmy. If Oliver is wrong for just "walking in there" then so is Davis because the both of them went in her apartment to check on her. You have no valid proof on what he "felt had to happen". It is never stated how he felt about the whole apartment situation but what we do know is what he did. Which is knock Jimmy out not once...but TWICE and nearly kill Oliver.

[Davis Bloome]

Well curiosity in not the reason, as he said he went there cause he thought Chloe was in danger. And instead he finds two guys in her apartment who shouldn't be there. Yeah they're not endangering Chloe, but one of them is stealing from Chloe. And I think Davis probably thought that he had more right to be there than them cause Chloe at least had him invited to stay in the building, though she did tell him to stay in the basement. I'm just stating my opinion and I base it on what I know of Davis. Davis is a wanted man and never wanted to kill someone innocent before Beast. He always tried to kill a criminal to satisfy the beast. I don't think he knocked out Oli and Jimmy to satisfy the beast or for his own amusement. I think he felt threatened, cause there is no other reason I can think of why Davis would knock them out. Besides he knocked out Jimmy again, because he was provoking Davis to become more angry and if Jimmy just continued to talk like that he would have surely brought out DD, so the only way to shut him up and preventing the beast to come out was knocking him out. Killing Oliver was an act of desperation. Davis mentality: 'If one sacrifice is needed to save hundreds of others, then I have to do it.'

[prodigykane]

Well curiosity in not the reason, as he said he went there cause he thought Chloe was in danger. And instead he finds two guys in her apartment who shouldn't be there. Yeah they're not endangering Chloe, but one of them is stealing from Chloe. And I think Davis probably thought that he had more right to be there than them cause Chloe at least had him invited to stay in the building, though she did tell him to stay in the basement. I'm just stating my opinion and I base it on what I know of Davis. Davis is a wanted man and never wanted to kill someone innocent before Beast. He always tried to kill a criminal to satisfy the beast. I don't think he knocked out Oli and Jimmy to satisfy the beast or for his own amusement. I think he felt threatened, cause there is no other reason I can think of why Davis would knock them out. Besides he knocked out Jimmy again, because he was provoking Davis to become more angry and if Jimmy just continued to talk like that he would have surely brought out DD, so the only way to shut him up and preventing the beast to come out was knocking him out. Killing Oliver was an act of desperation. Davis mentality: 'If one sacrifice is needed to save hundreds of others, then I have to do it.'

Weren't you just talking about how he wasn't a coward or anything?
Now he feels threatened by a couple of puny humans who he can easily kill (and nearly did) lol
Plus no one was paying any attention to him

I understand the second KO but he shouldn't have been tied up in the basement in the first place. Davis should know this because he seen what he is capable of.

[Davis Bloome]

I'm trying to find a logical explanation why he knocked them. Cause I don't believe for one second that he just did it because he's 'evil'. There's more to it and if he felt threatened that these two were going to rat them out, that seems like a logical explanation, cause he couldn't let Jimmy steal from Chloe, but on the other hand if he was going to take down Jimmy, then he had to take down Oliver too, as he's an unfortunate witness. As I said a victim of circumstances.

[prodigykane]

I'm trying to find a logical explanation why he knocked them. Cause I don't believe for one second that he just did it because he's 'evil'. There's more to it and if he felt threatened that these two were going to rat them out, that seems like a logical explanation, cause he couldn't let Jimmy steal from Chloe, but on the other hand if he was going to take down Jimmy, then he had to take down Oliver too, as he's an unfortunate witness. As I said a victim of circumstances.

If he was going to take out Oliver because he was going to take down Jimmy than thats pretty evil in my book. Oliver didn't do anything. So making him a victim of circumstances when he doesn't have to be is wrong.

[Davis Bloome]

It's funny, though Davis said he only would kill criminals, he had two criminals in the basement. One was a killer (Lex) and one was stealing money. lol.

[prodigykane]

It's funny, though Davis said he only would kill criminals, he had two criminals in the basement. One was a killer (Lex) and one was stealing money. lol.

Most definitely, but Davis usually catch his prey in the act. He doesn't know for sure that Oliver killed Lex neither does Chloe. She didn't actually see him do the deed. He could be lying and taking the wrap for it. So if she did tell him and he was going to kill him for that reason I guess she could have told him that the milk-man killed Lex and the milk-man would be Davis next target. :lol:

He doesn't know for sure Oliver is a killer.

[Davis Bloome]

I'm not saying he does, but he always killed criminals, while he still had from a certain point of view two criminals in the basement. One from he most likely didn't know he was a criminal. And yeah I wouldn't exactly call Jimmy a criminal, okay he was stealing money, but I consider Jimmy to misguided, not exactly a criminal. That would be exaggerated. Look I don't pretend to know why he knocked down Oliver. I just tell you what I think he was trying to do. All this time Davis has never attacked an innocent unless it was for a good reason, for example Jimmy who saw him killing a criminal, so he wanted to make sure Jimmy couldn't betray him, he always made sure that the people he killed were 'evil'. And I keep saying that still doesn't make it right that he kills them, but killing one criminal to save hundreds of innocent. It's a better alternative. But in beast Davis has made a few weird acts and acts of desperation namely killing Oliver. If he was just plainly evil he wouldn't regret to kill Oliver.

[SnowBird]

I'm not saying he does, but he always killed criminals, while he still had from a certain point of view two criminals in the basement. One from he most likely didn't know he was a criminal. And yeah I wouldn't exactly call Jimmy a criminal, okay he was stealing money, but I consider Jimmy to misguided, not exactly a criminal. That would be exaggerated. Look I don't pretend to know why he knocked down Oliver. I just tell you what I think he was trying to do. All this time Davis has never attacked an innocent unless it was for a good reason, for example Jimmy who saw him killing a criminal, so he wanted to make sure Jimmy couldn't betray him, he always made sure that the people he killed were 'evil'. And I keep saying that still doesn't make it right that he kills them, but killing one criminal to save hundreds of innocent. It's a better alternative. But in beast Davis has made a few weird acts and acts of desperation namely killing Oliver. If he was just plainly evil he wouldn't regret to kill Oliver.

He killed Linda Lake just for egging him on and not for something he saw her do.

[prodigykane]

I'm not saying he does, but he always killed criminals, while he still had from a certain point of view two criminals in the basement. One from he most likely didn't know he was a criminal. And yeah I wouldn't exactly call Jimmy a criminal, okay he was stealing money, but I consider Jimmy to misguided, not exactly a criminal. That would be exaggerated. Look I don't pretend to know why he knocked down Oliver. I just tell you what I think he was trying to do. All this time Davis has never attacked an innocent unless it was for a good reason, for example Jimmy who saw him killing a criminal, so he wanted to make sure Jimmy couldn't betray him, he always made sure that the people he killed were 'evil'. And I keep saying that still doesn't make it right that he kills them, but killing one criminal to save hundreds of innocent. It's a better alternative. But in beast Davis has made a few weird acts and acts of desperation namely killing Oliver. If he was just plainly evil he wouldn't regret to kill Oliver.

I totally understand. But now you're talking about a better alternative. Wouldn't a better alternative have been sending Davis to the PZ? Wherever he goes he is going to want to kill and will try to. Who do you think stand a chance? Puny humans or Intergalactic criminals? The difference between going up against a human and going up against a phantom is astronomical. Meaning chances of murder is much slimmer in the PZ than on Earth. Thats a better alternative.

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He killed Linda Lake just for egging him on and not for something he saw her do.

I totally forgot about that. Way too true. Even though she did dirt in the past Davis doesn't know her personally from a hole in the wall. All he knew was that she knew who he was and would possibly expose him. To the viewer she is a criminal. To Davis she is a press-hungry reporter trying to get her flame back.

[Davis Bloome]

He killed Linda Lake just for egging him on and not for something he saw her do. He was transforming into DD. I do think you saw the red eyes too, meaning he loses his innocence completely, his rationality, his regrets. That all comes back when he turns into Davis again, but he didn't seem to regret it that much, cause he knew that she was a criminal and that this gave him the idea to kill criminals and he even regrets killing them, but he feels like he has no choice.

I totally understand. But now you're talking about a better alternative. Wouldn't a better alternative have been sending Davis to the PZ? Wherever he goes he is going to want to kill and will try to. Who do you think stand a chance? Puny humans or Intergalactic criminals? The difference between going up against a human and going up against a phantom is astronomical. Meaning chances of murder is much slimmer in the PZ than on Earth. Thats a better alternative. I'm not sure Davis was completely himself when he turned down the offer of the PZ, cause you see the red eyes, meaning he's beginning to transform into DD and that changes his personality. Though he could have a change of heart too. I'm not denying that. He could have turned it down, because he thought that a life without Chloe was crueler than death. Maybe he felt that he actually could live with Chloe forever and he was hoping too much that with Chloe he wouldn't transform into DD again. It was a desperate wish a desperate hope, but I don't blame him for aching for it.

[prodigykane]

He was transforming into DD. I do think you saw the red eyes too, meaning he loses his innocence completely, his rationality, his regrets. That all comes back when he turns into Davis again, but he didn't seem to regret it that much, cause he knew that she was a criminal and that this gave him the idea to kill criminals and he even regrets killing them, but he feels like he has no choice.

He have no clue she is a criminal. You can't look at it from the viewers pov. All he really knows about her is she is a press-hungry, washed up, reporter trying to get back into the spotlight.


I'm not sure Davis was completely himself when he turned down the offer of the PZ, cause you see the red eyes, meaning he's beginning to transform into DD and that changes his personality. Though he could have a change of heart too. I'm not denying that. He could have turned it down, because he thought that a life without Chloe was crueler than death. Maybe he felt that he actually could live with Chloe forever and he was hoping too much that with Chloe he wouldn't transform into DD again. It was a desperate wish a desperate hope, but I don't blame him for aching for it.

I don't blame him either but as far a "better alternatives" go. That would have been a great one. Davis is a smart guy (he wouldn't be a certified medic if he wasn't). Even though he is a bit irrational he still knows what he is doing. He already know he is immortal and will outlive Chloe.

[Davis Bloome]

He have no clue she is a criminal. You can't look at it from the viewers pov. All he really knows about her is she is a press-hungry, washed up, reporter trying to get back into the spotlight. Clark did say she would go to jail, so while he brought her to the hospital, he probably also warned the authorities. The hospital would surely be notified that she is dangerous. She's cuffed up for a reason and she's probably kept in a room where she can't have contact with other 'normal' patients. So there is a great chance Davis would know what kind of a person Linda Lake is.



I don't blame him either but as far a "better alternatives" go. That would have been a great one. Davis is a smart guy (he wouldn't be a certified medic if he wasn't). Even though he is a bit irrational he still knows what he is doing. He already know he is immortal and will outlive Chloe. Yeah but when becoming DD he becomes irrational, agressive and that probably influenced his choice. That's just my opinion.

[endsxtonight]

I think it's mostly because they agree with what you say and don't need to elaborate on your opinion maybe. Can't see another reason. I mean I get quoted quite often, but that is just because people seem to disagree with me a lot, and that is also not a good thing lol

Maybe, but the thing is I'm pretty new here and I just kinda threw myself in there, and well I guess I just thought people might be a little more welcoming or whatever. IDK, I guess it really doesn't matter. I have the same problem that you have, over at livejournal a lot. People don't always agree with me, it just so happens that right now on the forums that most people do, which is kinda odd - in a way.

[Davis Bloome]

Hey the same applies to me. I have forums where people mostly agree with me, but that's on an entire different subject than Smallville.

[SnowBird]

He was transforming into DD. I do think you saw the red eyes too, meaning he loses his innocence completely, his rationality, his regrets. That all comes back when he turns into Davis again, but he didn't seem to regret it that much, cause he knew that she was a criminal and that this gave him the idea to kill criminals and he even regrets killing them, but he feels like he has no choice.

I don't know how Davis knew Lake was a criminal. She was restrained but that could mean she could have a mental problem and they didn't want her to walk the halls.

I'm not sure he got the idea of killing criminals from Linda Lake. Davis might have just decided to kill criminals to ease the guilt.

Red eyes doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is doing as Davis. For instance. When Jimmy had him handcuffed and Chloe came, Davis quickly turned his head away from her so she wouldn't see his red eyes. He can make rational decisions with red eyes so this doesn't release him from blame as Davis. Davis willingly killed Linda Lake to cover his tracks.

Looks like in the future we won't be debating the DD controling Davis theory.

[Davis Bloome]

I don't know how Davis knew Lake was a criminal. She was restrained but that could mean she could have a mental problem and they didn't want her to walk the halls.

I'm not sure he got the idea of killing criminals from Linda Lake. Davis might have just decided to kill criminals to ease the guilt.

Red eyes doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is doing as Davis. For instance. When Jimmy had him handcuffed and Chloe came, Davis quickly turned his head away from her so she wouldn't see his red eyes. He can make rational decisions with red eyes so this doesn't release him from blame as Davis. Davis willingly killed Linda Lake to cover his tracks.

Looks like in the future we won't be debating the DD controling Davis theory.
I said earlier how Davis would know Linda Lake is a criminal. They put criminals in special rooms and Clark did say she would get in jail and logically Clark would have warned the hospital that she is dangerous. And let's talk about the red eye thing. I think it's based on fear and logic thinking. I think that when the red eyes appear that for a part he's still Davis. It's difficult to determine how much of Davis personality is left only judging on the eyes. But the fact he fell down in the scene with Linda Lake. And not just that, the roaring. Well he seemed to be suffering more from the transformation at that time, that's just my impression. And I can't say if there's the same amount of change physically and in personality based on how he looks and acts. The fact that he had red eyes and almost even horns with Chloe says to me that the physical transformation was working faster than the change of personality. It could also be that the change of personality stand separate from his feelings. Meaning he still feels a bloodlust, but he's also afraid which has nothing to do with rational or logical thinking. And that could have made him warn Chloe and Jimmy as he didn't want to hurt them. With Linda Lake he still had a bloodlust but there was no reason to be afraid. On the contrary, he probably disliked her and when transforming into DD that could transform into hate which only fuels him more to kill her.