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Chlollie
04-29-2009, 01:07 PM
Love it, Hate it. What did you think of "Beast"
WickedJenn
04-29-2009, 01:56 PM
Thread will open after episode airs.
FLyxNERD
04-30-2009, 07:00 PM
awesome!!
Melekith
04-30-2009, 07:01 PM
I gave it a 9. I freaking loved this episode! I'm having trouble describing it...but I want to attribute it to the direction. The use of alot of close-ups made the character development seem really real. Fantastic.
fan of the man
04-30-2009, 07:02 PM
This was one great episode!!!!!!!!! Wow
Hakoon
04-30-2009, 07:02 PM
One of the best episodes I have ever seen IMO. The scenes in the fortress before "The Betrayer" showed up with Clark and Davis were great!!
10/10
xHerox
04-30-2009, 07:03 PM
Even though this episode only focused on the main cast members and didn't really bring anything new to the table, I still feel as though it deserves a '9' because of the fantastic story that it told and the manner in which all of the characters interacted. I particularly liked a lot of the scenes involving characters that aren't typically seen together (like Oliver and Jimmy) and a lot of the conflict seemed very real in this episode, such as Clark and Chloe's struggle.
Also, the cinematography used in the scenes with the Fortress of Solitude was absolutely great -- I really like the darker look of the place and think it adds a lot of atmosphere to the scenes there.
Overall, this was a fantastic episode -- definitely one of my favorites of the season -- and the preview for next week looks more than captivating as well!
-Nora-
04-30-2009, 07:03 PM
3, but only because I loved Ollie and Jimmy. The rest? My god was that bad.
Cyclonekat
04-30-2009, 07:04 PM
Meh.
I realllllllly liked the reviving of Jimmy though. Nicely done...
the rest I was just like...Chloe get a grip.
Selina
04-30-2009, 07:05 PM
I gave it a nine. I thoroughly enjoyed that... though I dont like what's been done to Chloe.
Mackdaddy
04-30-2009, 07:05 PM
9.5 I can't believe I am going to say this but I really liked this episode. Great acting by everyone tonight!
Supsfan
04-30-2009, 07:05 PM
I gave it a four for the Clark and Davis Fortress scene(well at least till Chloe ruined it) and the appearence of Emil Hamilton.
The Jimmy addicted storyline sucks and I don't even think Clark got more then 14 minutes of screentime. The Chloe and Davis storyline feels like a really bad Lana plot, just get the Clark and Doomsday fight for god sakes
thehenry89
04-30-2009, 07:05 PM
7. the dialouge was a bit much at times, and the chlavis schmoopy factor was kind of sickening but overall a pretty good episode.
origin
04-30-2009, 07:05 PM
10/10
probably one of my favorite episodes of the season, I loved it.
Darth Pipes
04-30-2009, 07:06 PM
Thought it was great. The DD storyline has been fantastic and Sam Witwer knocks it out of the park every week. Good Clark/Chloe scenes too even though I don't buy that Chloe would do that and Clark was a moron for letting Davis get away. Good use of Ollie and Jimmy here too.
gilliang
04-30-2009, 07:07 PM
1. Hated it. Worse than Abyss and I thought that was crap.
Only good thing was the song on the beginning/end...does anyone know what the song was btw? I REALLY want it.
10!! It's like my third favorite episode of the season for sure!! :cool:
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1. Hated it. Worse than Abyss and I thought that was crap.
Only good thing was the song on the beginning/end...does anyone know what the song was btw? I REALLY want it.
I want that song too!
Night_Hawk90
04-30-2009, 07:11 PM
It wasnt a terrible episode but seriously this chlavis crap is making me sick, and so is
chloe . Ill give this episode a 7.
Darth Pipes
04-30-2009, 07:12 PM
BTW, liked seeing BSG's Gaeta in this episode.
LorelaiG
04-30-2009, 07:12 PM
And here I thought Abyss was bad. Smallville surprises me everytime
Firebunny
04-30-2009, 07:13 PM
I hardly ever give episodes a 10, but I had to give it to this one. By far the best episode of the season. Just amazing. I am in love with this show again.
WildGoatTamer
04-30-2009, 07:14 PM
9
I thought the actors hit thier characters spot on this episode! I loved Oliver and Jimmy connecting although Oliver is starting bug me with his whole 'Batman' persona but otherwise I thought they were very realistic! I just loved Jimmy for telling Chloe to stay away even though they're not on good terms!
Poor Davis he really believes that Chloe loves him. :( And Clark was just fantastic this episode with the way he put the clues together and never once forgot about Chloe. Chloe was heartbreaking this episode. She had to go against all of her friends to save them! I'm glad they finally cleared up the whole 'who is she really saving' by having Chloe admit her feelings to Clark in the last scene. I'm kinda disappointed that Chloe is lying to Davis about her feelings for him but I can understand why. Davis is not gonna be happy when he finds out the whole ' I would do anything for you' was really meant for Clark.
That fortress scene was really pretty Winters did a really great job! Overall I loved this episodes, it took plot info we already knew and put it together in way that it felt like a entirely new story!
Glove
04-30-2009, 07:15 PM
Gave it a 7. Slightly above average. I disliked that everyone
knows the right thing to do except Clark. "One day he'll have
to learn how to make the right decisions." Best line in the
whole episode.
Supsfan
04-30-2009, 07:16 PM
I hardly ever give episodes a 10, but I had to give it to this one. By far the best episode of the season. Just amazing. I am in love with this show again.
So you love when Clark is reduced to a secondary character not even getting 14 mintues of screentime?
Mrs. Superman
04-30-2009, 07:18 PM
Definitely a 10! I was hoping to see more of Clark, but I was quite pleased with how Supermanly he was anytime he came onscreen. He's everything but the name. Usually I'm not pleased when there isnt much of Clark but I was so into this episode, it didnt bug me as much. Plus the increase in Oliver scenes helped out anytime I was missing Clark. ;)
Excellent acting all around but major props to Aaron Ashmore. WOW. He really killed it this episode. Taking Jimmy to a whole new level.
I was kept guessing Chloe's motives the whole time, but I figured her actions were for Clark primarily. What a sad scene at the end.
Music special effects ... everything really seems to be building to a HUGE finale and I cant freaking wait to see whats in store!
AgentChaos
04-30-2009, 07:19 PM
I hardly ever give episodes a 10, but I had to give it to this one. By far the best episode of the season. Just amazing. I am in love with this show again.
Agreed, except I'd put Abyss just above it. I don't have any major complaints about this episode. Only thing I didn't care for was Jimmy throughout most of it.
Kal El 12
04-30-2009, 07:19 PM
So you love when Clark is reduced to a secondary character not even getting 14 mintues of screentime?
Ha true that... i've never seen a show where the main character gets screwed on screentime more than clark kent.... did anyone see in the next episode oliver uses the kryptonite ring against clark.????
tyson08
04-30-2009, 07:20 PM
Great episode, incredible acting and raw emotions!
spideyfan
04-30-2009, 07:20 PM
8 out of 10...
liked the plot movement but a lot could have been better...
tyson08
04-30-2009, 07:20 PM
Ha true that... i've never seen a show where the main character gets screwed on screentime more than clark kent.... did anyone see in the next episode oliver uses the kryptonite ring against clark.????
Tom Welling is directing the next episode which means he could only be in so much of this episode as he needed to prepare.
Nerwen Aldarion
04-30-2009, 07:22 PM
Cool fight scene, awesome friendship moments and a killer ending, what's not to like?
curiosity
04-30-2009, 07:25 PM
It was a great episode. But I figured out Chloe was doing it all to save Clark in the beginning, after the dream. She sent Clark away since she didn't want Doomsday to kill him. And she stopped Clark from sending him to the Phantom Zone because she knew he would take Clark with him.
It's so sad, I hope Chloe doesn't die.
Firebunny
04-30-2009, 07:27 PM
So you love when Clark is reduced to a secondary character not even getting 14 mintues of screentime? I'm confused as to why you're attacking me for expressing my enthusiasm over the episode. Am I not allowed to love it?
super_j_man
04-30-2009, 07:29 PM
I actually didn't care too much for this episode. I gave it a 6. I'm not a big fan of Chlavis, and I wish they never gave Doomsday a human side. Doomsday is an epic character from the mythos and known for being a complete monster. I just feel his character in Smallville is just disappointing. And the writers sure screwed up Jimmy's character as well. Drug addict??? What are TPTB thinking?
I would have rated this episode higher if it wasn't for all those reasons. This episode was, however, very well acted and still fun to watch nonetheless. And despite how I don't like the continuing story arcs as much, the writing was a lot better than last week's epi.
Supsfan
04-30-2009, 07:30 PM
I'm confused as to why you're attacking me for expressing my enthusiasm over the episode. Am I not allowed to love it?
No everybody has to the to like what they like
I actually didn't care too much for this episode. I gave it a 6. I'm not a big fan of Chlavis, and I wish they never gave Doomsday a human side. Doomsday is an epic character from the mythos and known for being a complete monster. I just feel his character in Smallville is just disappointing.
I have to agree, I think a full out monster form Doomsday would have made a more interesting fight when we get to it. But this is Smallville, they have to add tons of levels of Drama to everything(see Lana)
hatie123
04-30-2009, 07:31 PM
I loved it! There were a lot of twist & turns but it always stayed focused on one storyline. I'm glad Oliver noticed Jimmy as an asset and offered him a job..
ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva
04-30-2009, 07:31 PM
Phenomenal episode! Once again, it's a 10/10!
Kalista
04-30-2009, 07:32 PM
I give this episode a 10. The only major complaint I had was Ollie lecturing Clark and insulting him. He was out of line to tell Clark that all he does is waste time. Grr.
Everyone gave a solid performance.
Fallen One
04-30-2009, 07:36 PM
I can't wait to read La Donna's review on this one. I got my sweet vindication. Ohh baby, didn't I get it.
lm1212
04-30-2009, 07:36 PM
Although I hate Chloe for this, I love to hate her. It's a great story line you guys, you have to admit it. Great amount of action, no plot holes, Jimmy's story line tied in, Clark being faced with a difficult decision to make, it's all worth watching. This was one of the best episodes of the season. I give it a 10, but to be accurate, I'll give it a 9.5, because its as high as I can go without Lois.
colibri
04-30-2009, 07:42 PM
I was pretty much torn down the middle with this one so I gave it a 5 (right in the middle). There were things I loved about the episode but there were things I hated. Loved Oliver and truly loved Jimmy here. He was courageous and honest. He seems to be the one character (of the ones involved in the Doomsday story) who sees things clearly. Clark, the little he was there, was good until the end when he didn't send Doomsday to the PZ. The pacing and story were a lot better than Eternal.
The whole Chloe/Davis storyline, however, continues to worsen and become more and more melodramatic. Up to this point I had withheld judgment about Chloe trying to see where they were going with this and, because, I have liked her quite a bit in some of the previous episodes, but here I had to draw the line. They finally turned her completely into Lana. I also can't forgive her for stopping Clark from sending Davis to the PZ. That made absolutely no sense. Now Clark will be forced to make a horrifying decision later on as Oliver predicted and more people will die than necessary. I can only think that Chloe should die, not that she will, but that she should. I thought I wouldn't feel that way but I do after this.
redkryptoniteisthebest
04-30-2009, 07:43 PM
This had to have been in the top five episodes of the season.
10!
curiosity
04-30-2009, 07:44 PM
There needed to be more Clark, although he was great in this episode.
mty09
04-30-2009, 07:44 PM
Like I said, the Chlovis storyline is becoming the new Clana lol I give it a 8 good episode!
ginnyfan
04-30-2009, 07:46 PM
I loved it. 10/10
All the boys of the main cast got to play in one scene. Yum!
And I adore Dr. Emil Hamilton. <3
queenrikki
04-30-2009, 07:47 PM
You know what, except for Ollie and Jimmy, this episode was a waste of time, effort and money. I can't believe that anyone could actually think that Chloe is doing any of this to protect anyone but Davis. Sending him to the PZ would have been for the best but Noooo.
*sighs*
Just kill me (or Chloe, either way I'll be out of my misery).
Timester
04-30-2009, 07:49 PM
And I adore Dr. Emil Hamilton. <3
Too bad he lost his leg and then was shot for treason because of the revolution he planned in Battlestar Galactica. :p
ClarkyBoy14
04-30-2009, 07:49 PM
8.7
Really good episode. There was a lot of good stuff in "Beast."
WELLINGWIFE#2
04-30-2009, 07:50 PM
i GAVE IT AN 8 ,..I think the actors did an amazing job embracing their darker sides...they had more complex roles to play, wish CK would have been there more but I think this is all just setting us up for the season finale. i thought it was sad that Chloe is sacrifing herself for Clark but its in her nature and that is something that the writers have always told us about Chloe. She will always do what is best for CK. Jimmy, Ollie and Davis were dark and it was nice to see that side of them. THe opening scene was Ala Beauty & the Beast but fitting , a;though WTF on the grusome CK ..my eyes my eyes...Great ending with Clark getting all angry like that and smashing his fist down. It's been awhile since I have seen him get mad like that and actually physically show it. THe Direction and lighting was ver good. I can;t wait for what is to come ...2 more !!!
RosaandPike
04-30-2009, 07:57 PM
Gave it a 6, liked the confrontation between Clark and Davis, Jimmy, Oliver and Davis scene was good too. If Chloe finds an anticlimatic way of controlling Doomsday by developing a love serum that he can be innoculated with then I will stop watching this show. The main theme of this series of the last four or five seasons has been Clark's mistake of allowing his human emotions to interfere in his decisions, that is still occurring and will ensure future problems for him until he decides to continue his training in the fortress and leave his human problems behind. Chloe has to die at the end of this season to make any sense of the current plotlines.
Saber
04-30-2009, 07:58 PM
I gave it a 6.
Clark just can’t seem to think for himself anymore. He second guesses his every move. I’m getting tired of all the lectures everyone gives him on how to think, behave and react. Can he make any logical decisions without the constant PSA by everyone.
Chloe not letting CK send Davis to the Phantom Zone was brainless, all I could do was shake my head at that move and Clark hesitates, again.
Jimmy has become to dark of a character with really no solid background to backup the storyline. In a nutshell, this Jimmy bugs me.
Overall the 6 was generous and I just wish for a different story arc, something that didn’t involve a lusting doomsy alien, a druggie gofer and a clueless superman… oh wait I meant a clueless man.
Sue Denim
04-30-2009, 08:01 PM
I'm giving this one a 9 out of 10.
I have to mark it down for the tons and tons of unnecessary dialog. Just how long did it take Oliver to offer Jimmy a job and for Jimmy to accept it? Jimmy, do you have a death wish or something? The Davis, Oliver, Jimmy scene took way, way too much time.
Also, Clark and Chloe's last scene over the phone. So much more romantic than the phone call between Clark and Lois in my view. I wish Clark would just cut to the chase and admit it. You guys love each other way more than friendship would allow.
Clark, please just say you love Chloe, because its ellipse had much more impact than the vocalization would have. We know where you're coming from because Oliver had to drill in an idea that it wasn't just about you.
Chloe, say you love Clark, because Clark's actully feeding you reasons to say it. If you tell him you love him, he will tell you he love you back.
I loved this episode, but it was a little too wordy.
Anyway, thank you guys for Beast. Please send more like it.
Theshadow129x
04-30-2009, 08:04 PM
this was a nine. a very strong episode.
hard to explain but everything was great in this one.
I'd have to give it a 7.It was a pretty great episode for the most part,it was able to keep my attention.But there was a few dull points.I looooved the scene with the 3 guys,fabulous acting there.And of course the fortess scene.I guess since they were stating some things that were already known to me as a viewer.It definitely wasn't the best episode of the season or a as great as I anticipated,but it was still highly enjoyable and interesting.
I loved it. 10/10
All the boys of the main cast got to play in one scene. Yum!
And I adore Dr. Emil Hamilton. <3
Weren't all the boys so delicious? It's such a pity that this type of scene is so rare. I love my boys together! :cool:
galatians221
04-30-2009, 08:11 PM
One of the worst episodes I've seen in a long time. How dark are they going to go and once again we see Clark act like an indecisive, brooding, touchy/feely type who can't even control Chloe. This episode made me want to puke.
aceofclubs
04-30-2009, 08:12 PM
He shoulda threw them both in the phantom zone. lol
Supsfan
04-30-2009, 08:13 PM
Hard to say this is one of the worst episodes in a long time, considering the Lana arc :P
I would say there may have been 2-4 bad episodes this season(Abyss and Eternal both borderline average or bad, Power and requiem the only 2 truly bad episode). I would rate Beast above all those easily
halvor311
04-30-2009, 08:13 PM
I gave it a 10. I just loved it!!! Doomsday is so awesome and I can't wait for the finale. I'm different from most people in loving the Chloe/Davis story line. I think Chloe is protecting Clark in doing this. People seem to forget and not understand that without Chloe, Doomsday comes out. Plus, if Clark kills Doomsday, he's pretty much screwed. Doomsday will just come back and Clark will no longer be alive because Doomsday can't be permanently dead. Sending Davis to the Phantom Zone is the only way to keep everyone safe. Can't wait for the next 2 weeks.
Night_Hawk90
04-30-2009, 08:13 PM
i came close to puking in the first five minutes when chloe was getting hot and heavy with davis
alienkinfolk
04-30-2009, 08:14 PM
I enjoyed this episode. It had shock in awe without showing T&A (no offense Lois). It showed how much Clark blindly trusts Chloe and how he will have to learn to eventually trust no one.
Smallville6
04-30-2009, 08:14 PM
ME ME ME *raises hand*
6-Super-Man -5
04-30-2009, 08:14 PM
Clark needs to stand up to Chloe, have the last say in decisions.
Marfeic2011
04-30-2009, 08:14 PM
the only reason I gave this a four was because we got to see how much chloe loves clark - and a glimpse of how he cares for her too even though he is a BDA & doesn't realize that her feelings for him are not as "friendly" as his.... stupid clark...
does it seem weird to anyone else that everyone else is willing to do whatever is neccessary and to be brave and to make sacrifices - EXCEPT CLARK - WTH!!!!
So much for the "ultimate" hero huh?
anyway... he doesn't deserve chloe - he wouldn't know what love is if it bit him in the ***
and the writers have totally lost sight of chloe's character - they set her up for this - she never would have gotten her self this deep on her own - STUPID WRITERS - it's so unbelievable - the only thing real is her feelings for clark but she should have told him that she loved him - although actions speak louder than words - but if he hasn't caught on after 8 years i guess he never will
if they kill her i will be so pissed -
congrats PS3 you have ruined your own characters and unless you are planning on pulling a 180 & bringing on the much anticipated Chlark we have all been waiting eight years for - then you will also have ruined a great show - we have had Clois before with every version - you have a great character & great relationship with chlark - if you miss the chance to flush that out now & in season 9 (just for ratings!!!) you will have destroyed what could have been one of the best shows ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whatever....
chlark will live on elsewhere...
(even if it's only in my little AU in the fic section... which is more realistic for chlark than this hogwash!!!)
p.s. well produced, good action, edge of my seat - overall very entertaining - if I had never seen the show before - and if I had recently underwent a labotomy!!!)
thehenry89
04-30-2009, 08:15 PM
this was a good episode, but chlavis (espcially the chloe part) made me sick to my stomache.
I enjoyed this episode. It had shock in awe without showing T&A (no offense Lois). It showed how much Clark blindly trusts Chloe and how he will have to learn to eventually trust no one.
Clark will always be able to trust Lois. :cool:
galatians221
04-30-2009, 08:16 PM
i came close to puking in the first five minutes when chloe was getting hot and heavy with davis
Agreed. The whole thing was a waste of time.
Superman of Krypton
04-30-2009, 08:16 PM
It's funny how the first 08 part of this season was great and the 2009 episodes (in the Lana arc and after it) have ranged from mediocre to bad.
Say what you will about the crappiness of Season 7, but nothing in this half has come close to "Descent" and "Apocalypse"
This arc is pretty lame, mainly due to Chloe's involvement.
paolinki25
04-30-2009, 08:16 PM
It was an ok episode. I hate to say this, but Chloe's role in this story is fading away.
Lexsghost
04-30-2009, 08:17 PM
He shoulda threw them both in the phantom zone. lol
Haha true
redkryptoniteisthebest
04-30-2009, 08:17 PM
I know I didn't. This one of the best episodes in Smallville's history.
disciples of zod
04-30-2009, 08:18 PM
9.
Chloe's storyline is pissing me off!!! :mad:
~K
alienkinfolk
04-30-2009, 08:19 PM
Clark will always be able to trust Lois. :cool:
Nah. can't trust humans. Prof. Fine told him that and that wasn't a lie
6-Super-Man -5
04-30-2009, 08:20 PM
this was a good episode, but chlavis (espcially the chloe part) made me sick to my stomache.
I agree with you on that!
AndiGirl
04-30-2009, 08:22 PM
Why do alot of comments on here remind me of the 50's?
"He needs to put her in her place.......Clark lets her get away with that...."
I'm waiting for someone to say "Man, he needs to teach a woman where her place is!" :lol:
Come one people....what was Clark supposed to do? Her mind was made up....and short of throwing them both in the phantom zone....he had no choice in the matter.
Not to mention the poor guy was just stunned. Cut him some slack. :\
brihvp03
04-30-2009, 08:22 PM
Does anyone think that clark could use black K to seperate davis from doomsday??? Thus sending the beast to the PZ. What you think?
thehenry89
04-30-2009, 08:25 PM
Why do alot of comments on here remind me of the 50's?
"He needs to put her in her place.......Clark lets her get away with that...."
I'm waiting for someone to say "Man, he needs to teach a woman where her place is!" :lol:
Come one people....what was Clark supposed to do? Her mind was made up....and short of throwing them both in the phantom zone....he had no choice in the matter.
Not to mention the poor guy was just stunned. Cut him some slack. :\
:rotfl: I hadn't noticed till you pointed it out.
I don't agree with what chloe's doing but i don't think clark should "put her in her place"
lm1212
04-30-2009, 08:25 PM
I know I didn't. This one of the best episodes in Smallville's history.
AGREED. There's always supposed to be a struggle in a series folks. Your not supposed to love Chlavis necessarily, your supposed to be entertained by the drama of it. I loved this episode. It was beyond great.
superspider02
04-30-2009, 08:27 PM
Yes tonight episode i thought was another pretty good episode. The doomsday arc has been a great addition to this season along with the red blue blur arc too. I think what they have been doing has been pretty good. Yes some say its ripping off hulk/betty deal from marvel comics. But dc's doomsday is a pretty one dimension character.
So with smallville's take they took the monster beast and injected some nice dynamics to him with the whole human guise deal. At first i wasnt really down with it. But now at the end of the season things have been going pretty great with this storyline. I cant wait to see what happens with davis/doomsday in the finale in two weeks.
The opening dream scene with chloe was pretty weird. at first i thought it was real life scequence but then when we saw a dead and torn up clark i was like WTF! That was an intense scene. It was also pretty good to see emil hamilton again, and learn a little more with how he is working with ollie and the jl. I do hope we get to see more of him next season. Also it was cool that chloe was trying to get his help to maybe cure davis from the doomsday beast.
As for chloe herself she is in the right mindset to try to save clark and the world by losing her life and protecting/being with davis. But she is going at it all wrong, clark and ollie are right that davis needs to be taken care of. As for ollie he wants clark to kill him but clark is still trying to do other means of not killing which is against his code.
As for the phantom zone solution i thought that was a nice ideal and i know i read online others were thinking this is what might happen with davis/doomsday in the finale. The short fight in the fos was pretty nice preview which i hope we get a nice kick butt showdown in the finale.
As for chloe running off with davis in the end to protect clark is probably not going to end well with her. Clark doesnt want her to do that and ollie thinks it is wrong too. Also speaking of jimmy his addiction arc is getting interesting too and lead him to get into trouble again with davis. The end where ollie hires him to work for him was cool and nice to see. I cant wait to see what he is going to do with ollie. But i do hope next season they get him back to the planet with clark and lois.
As for next week looks interesting and i cant wait to see how the injustice gang episode plays out. They look pretty cool from the members we were able to see in the finale. Also i am a little pissed they are all wearing black i was hoping for parasite/livewire/and the 4th member to have a little bit more color in them. Also ollie with the kryptonite ring of lex makes us wonder what is going down there. Then what is up with tess and the purple orb. Cant wait to see what happens.
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Does anyone think that clark could use black K to seperate davis from doomsday??? Thus sending the beast to the PZ. What you think?
I been seeing folks think of that ideal online.
SuperKyptonGirl13
04-30-2009, 08:28 PM
This episode was great , defiantly one of the best of this season
galatians221
04-30-2009, 08:29 PM
:rotfl: I hadn't noticed till you pointed it out.
I don't agree with what chloe's doing but i don't think clark should "put her in her place"
Are you telling me that Clark couldn't have taken the disc out of her hand and stopped her from pulling the crystal out? He just stood there like a doofus. What Chloe did was dispicable. He should have sent her to the Zone with Davis. He is after all the Man of Steel.
SuperKyptonGirl13
04-30-2009, 08:30 PM
Why do alot of comments on here remind me of the 50's?
"He needs to put her in her place.......Clark lets her get away with that...."
I'm waiting for someone to say "Man, he needs to teach a woman where her place is!" :lol:
Come one people....what was Clark supposed to do? Her mind was made up....and short of throwing them both in the phantom zone....he had no choice in the matter.
Not to mention the poor guy was just stunned. Cut him some slack. :\
ITA!!!!!
thehenry89
04-30-2009, 08:30 PM
Are you telling me that Clark couldn't have taken the disc out of her hand and stopped her from pulling the crystal out? He just stood there like a doofus. What Chloe did was dispicable. He should have sent her to the Zone with Davis. He is after all the Man of Steel.
No I didn't say that I said chloe doesn't need to be "put in her place". She needs a freakin doomsday intervention, and she needs to admit she isn't doing this to save clark.
ginnyfan
04-30-2009, 08:32 PM
Too bad he lost his leg and then was shot for treason because of the revolution he planned in Battlestar Galactica. :p
heeheehee :D
joemamma
04-30-2009, 08:33 PM
Are you telling me that Clark couldn't have taken the disc out of her hand and stopped her from pulling the crystal out? He just stood there like a doofus. What Chloe did was dispicable. He should have sent her to the Zone with Davis. He is after all the Man of Steel.
Haha!
So true.....
susangail
04-30-2009, 08:36 PM
Wow. Not an episode I'll want to watch over and over, but a good one nonetheless.
* Clark trying to do the right thing for once, but Chloe pulls the guilt card
* Chloe hitting rock bottom
* Hope for Jimmy, thanks to Oliver
* Intriguing Dr Hamilton -- want to see more of him
After tonight, I'm ready to say goodbye to Chloe. Actually, I'm ready to kick her to the curb. What a mess.
I hadn't voted, but I think I've convinced myself into an 8.
Kschreck
04-30-2009, 08:38 PM
One of the worst episodes I've seen in a long time. How dark are they going to go and once again we see Clark act like an indecisive, brooding, touchy/feely type who can't even control Chloe. This episode made me want to puke.
The body count isn't enough for Clark to want to do anything about it. Clark wants hundreds more to die before he deals with one single monster that looks like a human but really isn't. The body count isn't high enough for Clark's taste.
BadToad
04-30-2009, 08:40 PM
I had to give this one a 4. I just don't care at all for this whole Davis/Chloe stuff, or the way they're telling the Doomsday story. I understand its working for some people, but I don't tune into a show called Chloeville, and I don't really see how this storyline is servicing Clark's storyline at all.
One of my biggest pet peeves with this show is having people do certain things, and have them claim they are "doing it all for Clark"? Inevitably, these things are either wrong, or sometimes evil, or just generally morally dubious. And IMO, these sorts of things always get foisted back into Clark's shoulders, so that he can feel responsible for the choices of the people around him. I hate the whole vicious cycle. And Chloe just added a whole new chapter to that, and even decided to call Clark just to tell him how much she's sacrificing, and what risks she's taking "all for him". Well, thats awesome! I'm sure Clark won't feel horrible and guilty about all that Chlo. You're a pal!
In the grand scheme of things, ask yourself...would Clark feel guiltier about sending Davis to the Phantom Zone, or will he feel guiltier about what risk Chloe is taking all for him? Maybe its just me, but I'm pretty sure its the latter. Did Chloe not consider this at all?
I couldn't even be sure that Chloe telling Clark not to send Davis to the Phantom Zone was about Clark, or about Davis. I guess they wanted it to be ambigious.
And Clark just stands there, like a little boy being lectured by his mother. How does that reflect well on him?
I wish I could be more engaged in the Jimmy/Oliver stuff, but both of these characters have been so hit and miss all year, and their frequent absences from the story don't help matters much. Jimmy the junkie is another storyline I'm just not loving.
I can understand Oliver wanting Davis dead, but has it ever occured to him that Clark can't kill him? Not for lack of will, but rather just physically can't? I could get behind Oliver's position a bit more if I could believe he's considering this.
I can't help but think that this whole Chloe/Davis story seems like the Frankenstein monster of past Lana storylines. If all feels like I've seen so much of it before, just with a petite brunette rather then a petite blonde.
I don't much like the position they've put Clark into as this season draws to a close. It seems that he'll be wrong in some way, no matter what he does. And somehow, the people around him who are making HORRIBLE decisions will be whitewashed. Yup, I'm calling that now.
Nice performances by the cast, some nice directing by my least favorite SV director, Michael Rohl. Everyone looked great, though the darkness of this show continues to give me headache. And I mean the literal darkness, not the tone of the show. I feel like I have to squint to see whats going on half the time. I guess daylight is too expensive?
yomama
04-30-2009, 08:42 PM
9
Despite the melodramatic overtones of Chloe and Davis' relationship, despite the worrying trend of Clark's ongoing inability to seemingly think for himself, despite the questionable decision of making Jimmy an addict, I thought this was a great episode--mainly because Chloe Sullivan is the most interesting character on SV. As much as I hate some of the choices she has made, Chloe is fascinating. Watching her and Clark come to terms with her decisions and what they mean for their relationship has been some of the best material on SV8 IMO.
LorelaiG
04-30-2009, 08:45 PM
In the grand scheme of things, ask yourself...would Clark feel guiltier about sending Davis to the Phantom Zone, or will he feel guiltier about what risk Chloe is taking all for him? Maybe its just me, but I'm pretty sure its the latter. Did Chloe not consider this at all?
That's what I don't get AT ALL, she HAS to know that Calrk would feel a lot more guilty because her sacrify than for sending Davis to the PZ
That's why I think her sacrify is bs she WANTS this and is using Calrk as an excuse for her behaivior, she knows its wrong but she is lying to herself saying that its for Clark
tibbit78
04-30-2009, 08:51 PM
I liked this episode, because Jimmy Olsen & Oliver Queen were in it. It was a great episode! I felt so sorry for Clark & Davis Bloome being enemies (I don't want them to fight)!!
I liked Aaron & Justin working together, because you rarely see a Smallville episode with Justin & Aaron together. I wish they were in more episodes together.
I know I'm going to sound like a villain, but I liked the Doomsday music. I also liked the song at the end of Beast.
TayLaneBloom
04-30-2009, 08:53 PM
for anyone who's a fan of Superman Mythology, or just Superman: Doomsday, this episode wasn't quite good.
they screw up all the mythology of Doomsday storyline.
hate the whole "only love can save me" thing, 'cause everyone knows Doomsday shouldn't have a human side, much less fall in love.
anyways... Chloe is a real [MOD EDIT]. No one can say she did all of that for Clark. If she wasn't accually thinking about Davis in a much deeper way, otherwise she wouldn't be dreaming about him the way she did.
there where a lot of things i really loved about Beast. Like Aaron Ashmore's performance. really amazing! and i really liked Ollie in this.
Clark was really amazing as well, even though he's still really naive about lot's of things.
and the specials effects where great. really make it up for the poor ones in Stiletto.
anyways. it was good, but i rather wach a episode completly about Clark and the RBB, and really related to the real Superman storyline, like Stiletto, then a episode like Beast, that kinda screw up my favorite commic book of all times.
lex fan 10
04-30-2009, 08:54 PM
starts in 2 minutes.
jpfort1957
04-30-2009, 08:56 PM
As much as I looked forward to this epp, the Chloe/Davis scenes brought me to the brink of "blowing chips" across my livingroom. Clark will realize later that he should have sent them both to the PZ. I'll give this epp a 7.
Supsfan
04-30-2009, 08:58 PM
I am not a fan of this episode, but I don't get how people can vote 1 legitimently. 1 should be saved for such crappy episodes like Ageless or Power. By voting 1 for this you just cheapening the meaning of 1.
By looking at voting patterns to most episodes we should just change it to thumbs up, in the middle or down.
galatians221
04-30-2009, 09:00 PM
No I didn't say that I said chloe doesn't need to be "put in her place". She needs a freakin doomsday intervention, and she needs to admit she isn't doing this to save clark.
I'll restate that she needs to be put in her place. Her place is not Superman. She is a friend who has overstepped her bounds and needs to be put in her place. If she was a man the same would apply. The writers also need to put her in her place. She's not as important as Clark Kent and the writers give her more screen time than he gets on occasions like tonight.
Larel
04-30-2009, 09:04 PM
God I love Olie!:D
IHeartClois
04-30-2009, 09:09 PM
7. It was good.
susangail
04-30-2009, 09:12 PM
I don't much like the position they've put Clark into as this season draws to a close. It seems that he'll be wrong in some way, no matter what he does. And somehow, the people around him who are making HORRIBLE decisions will be whitewashed. Yup, I'm calling that now.
You're probably right. TPTB have already stated that Clark is responsible for Doomsday's final transformation and, by inference, the misery or death of billions of sentient beings around the universe.
That final conversation with Chloe puzzled me, though. Chloe's end was clear enough, but I'm not sure what to make of Clark, past the frustration. Is he still wrapped around her finger?
SGuthrie27
04-30-2009, 09:25 PM
6. Everybody's day on this show today seemed to match the kind of day I had in real life. Everyone was yelling at each other, blaming each other, making bad choices, and otherwise annoying me, it felt like, both on screen and off, LOL.
Likes?
*The music at the beginning and the end -- yeah, what IS that song?! It was a nice circular way of moving the episode along.
*The final Chlark phone conversation -- it was the only one that made sense to me throughout the entire episode, and I think it FINALLY showed us Chloe's true motivations.
*Jimmy and Oliver working together was awesome. I like how that storyline is shaping up.
*The valiant way Clark continually defended Chloe's honor, even when I have to admit she was making some seriously questionable and risky decisions. The way he spoke to Davis was also very cool.
*The fight scene (even though it was short) was cool.
*Jimmy finally looking like he's going to break the drug habit and get a new job!
Dislikes?
*UGH! The end of the teaser at the opening was disgusting! I could tell something gross was coming, but honestly, did it have to be that graphic?!
*The way TPTB are continually pushing Chloe into this horrid situations, and making her look like her new meteor ability is to make bad choices while trying to help the greater good. I LOVE her as a character, but I'm liking less and less where they're taking her this season.
*Ollie's holier-than-thou attitude toward Clark, even though some of what he said has merit.
*The way Clark didn't even TRY to stop Chloe and Davis when they were leaving.
*Jimmy stealing from Chloe and hitting up Oliver for cash for his drug habit?! Craziness!
Overall, it was an okay episode, and it did move a lot of things forward for the finale, but still... I'm pretty irritated with a lot of the things that happened, particularly the character treatment. Only time will tell whether these dark turns will actually have some payoff in "Injustice" and "Doomsday."
--SGuthrie ><>' :)--
SVfan26
04-30-2009, 09:30 PM
Smallville's TPTB and writers sure know how to pull a "character assassination" on the people in their story. And take great pleasure in doing so.
Except for Jimmy (& Bloomsday), there was not ONE character tonight who acted as they should have or how I've come to know them either on this show or in their comics' mythos.
- Clark has to make a choice, send an alien mass murderer away where he can only hurt himself or Zoners, OR let him stay and continue to possibly wreak havoc; just because Chloe begs him... guess the choice is easy when you let your supposed best friend make it for ya. Grow a pair, man. It's been almost 8 full years now!
- Chloe. Ugh. The ways they've treated her all year long, let alone tonight, is just horrible. I'd get started, but I'd never stop. Running away with a guy who could turn into a bony killing machine AT ANY MOMENT?! Are you SERIOUS?!?!?! U.G.H!!
- Oliver. The guy started out as a "Steal from the rich, Give to the poor" superhero, and all he's been interested in this season is really hurting the bad guys, but more interested in killing. Yeah, not buying it.
Lois and Jimmy are the only characters I've been mostly happy with, in their screentime. Guess I should be happy that TPTB like at least 2 of the "players" in their "game".
NinaDavis
04-30-2009, 09:30 PM
too much drama...
too much melodrama!
Clark should have send Davis to the PZ and Chloe to Belle Reeve.
jsith99
04-30-2009, 09:33 PM
I gave it a 7 It was a 9 for me up until Chloe went to the fortress and Clark turned from acting Supermanly to being a speechless fool again
AgentChaos
04-30-2009, 09:34 PM
The only thing that made me come close to puking was the shot of Clark ripped in half in Chloe's dream.
Marfeic2011
04-30-2009, 09:37 PM
Does anyone think that clark could use black K to seperate davis from doomsday??? Thus sending the beast to the PZ. What you think?
genius! you should be one of the writers - i don't know what they are thinking sometimes - it's like they forget what show they are even writing..
galatians221
04-30-2009, 09:39 PM
The only thing that made me come close to puking was the shot of Clark ripped in half in Chloe's dream.
That was horrible. I'm glad my daughter was in the tub. I wouldn't let her see much of this episode. Yuck.
thehenry89
04-30-2009, 09:40 PM
too much melodrama!
Clark should have send Davis to the PZ and Chloe to Belle Reeve.
and he should have sent jimmy to rehab and shelby to the dr for a sex change cuz apparetnly he's a girl now.
KryptoKnight
04-30-2009, 09:51 PM
season 9 coming up...really?? after these last few, I hope not
NoSupeForYou
04-30-2009, 09:53 PM
I gave it a 7, but there were some things that really bothered me about it.
1) Chludas. Yes, Chloe, lets worry about the happiness of the camouflage of the murderous monster over the safety of EVERYONE in the world. I know the writers are trying to make it look like she is sacrificing herself for Clark, but it comes out as her sacrificing the world so Davis can be happy.
2) I was glad that the BDA had been gone and was mad to see him back. When it comes down to it, Clark is still unable to do what is right when he needs to make a choice.
3) Doomsday is not human; never was and never will be.
4) Jimmy's drug habit.
5) The fact that Jor-el's words and prior experience have not yet convinced everyone that Doomy can't be killed. Are people really that dense?
Ollie was fun, Jimmy was good other than his habit, Clark was good except for his BDA moment and I'm glad that Clark smashed that file cabinet. Where do you get file cabinets in that color anyway? Even with its faults this episode kept me entertained.
Lilah
04-30-2009, 09:53 PM
I gave it a solid 8 because of the acting. Everyone did a great job. But the story of Chloe and Davis annoyed me like always. Clark, Oliver and Jimmy were great in this though. The three musketeers.... ;0)
LoisLaneJournalist
04-30-2009, 10:03 PM
I enjoy the episode!!
but mmm i have a question i thought that the only one that can use the crystal of the FOS was clark and chloe removed one
am i wrong ?
I wanted to puke..."almost took a trip to the percelain friend." I hate what the writers are doing to the character Chloe and to Clark for that matter. I swear he only got like 10 minutes of screen time today. I loved JIMBO tho....
Kryptochloe
04-30-2009, 10:06 PM
Love it!!!!!!!!!! specially the last phone conversation of Chloe and Clark... beautiful and heartbreaking!!!
TW1977
04-30-2009, 10:11 PM
*Deletes Epy from DVR*
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r180/TWpics2007/ANIMATIONS%20NEW/THUMBS%20Up-Down/thumbsdown.gif
I dislike Chloe's character more now than ever thanks to tonight.
clois-destiny-forever
04-30-2009, 10:14 PM
It wasn't a terrible episode, but Clark needs to be able to make his own decisions, carry through on his actions, and actually stand on his own. They can't have characters continually pulling the rug out from underneath him. He should do more on his own.
Lilah
04-30-2009, 10:17 PM
I didn't puke.
Jimmy, Oliver and Clark's hotness kept me from doing that ;0)
But that first scene made me cringe.
alejandrita439
04-30-2009, 10:18 PM
9 :)
kal-el_Girl
04-30-2009, 10:19 PM
what are you guys talking about¿???? I absolutely loved this eppy, it's all about chloe's proving her love for clark
astronut420
04-30-2009, 10:22 PM
It's been a long time since I've been able to love all of an episode, but the writing, directing, and performances in this episode were nothing short of AMAZING.
I doubt this will be a popular opinion in these parts, but this? Is the Smallville I've been waiting to watch. Superman learning what it means to be a superhero, Ollie having a useful role, Chloe's million and one sacrifices not being utterly ignored, and a dose of believable, likeable Jimmy for the first time in EVER! I'm still boggled at the greatness. I honestly wish I could buy a round for the whole writing staff, cast and crew responsible for Beast.
Jigga
04-30-2009, 10:22 PM
God, I hope they kill Chloe. I really do. As excellent as her character has been in the past, the last couple of episode really drive home the need for her to be dead and I'm not talking about TV dead, like she'll come back in some form, but certified dead.
She made it clear that it was about Davis rather than Clark or the world. Really? She skips the opportunity to send Doomsday to the PZ and rather have the dude running around or caged in her basement.
ss2cire
04-30-2009, 10:29 PM
I liked the episode a lot. To me it seems like Choloe is the one that's leaving... I'm sad about that but, maybe that'll be the final push clark needs to become the hero we all know he will eventually be (Superman).
People stop rating it so low! most episodes this season were top notch! (except maybe the episodes where they kept the Clana stuff going) but I liked them all. This season is great, I can and cant wait for the season finale (i dont want to wait another 3 months for a new episode!) but all good things must eventually need a break =) here's hoping for a phenomenal season finale! (2 more episodes to go!)
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jigga that's not what it's about... she's doing it to 'save' clark, she knows doomsday is very dangerous and sending him to the PZ would have been horrible (more horrible than killin ghim as he'd stil be alive yet dead at the same time) or something like that
anyway if you look at the big picture this is what's suppose to happen
Lilah
04-30-2009, 10:37 PM
If by harboring the guy who's going to kill you, trying to make you think you're crazy and sending you on a wild goose chase when the serial killer you are looking for is in her basement is proving her love for Clark.... then please do us all a favor... Love Him LESS.
Jigga
04-30-2009, 10:39 PM
I liked the episode a lot. To me it seems like Choloe is the one that's leaving... I'm sad about that but, maybe that'll be the final push clark needs to become the hero we all know he will eventually be (Superman).
People stop rating it so low! most episodes this season were top notch! (except maybe the episodes where they kept the Clana stuff going) but I liked them all. This season is great, I can and cant wait for the season finale (i dont want to wait another 3 months for a new episode!) but all good things must eventually need a break =) here's hoping for a phenomenal season finale! (2 more episodes to go!)
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jigga that's not what it's about... she's doing it to 'save' clark, she knows doomsday is very dangerous and sending him to the PZ would have been horrible (more horrible than killin ghim as he'd stil be alive yet dead at the same time) or something like that
anyway if you look at the big picture this is what's suppose to happen
It's not justifiable. It just isn't. She isn't trying to save Clark at all. It was understandable when Clark was going to get killed a couple of episode before i.e. literally at the hands of Doomsday. In this episode they clearly showed Clark overpowering Davis and right when Clark is about to toss Davis into the PZ, she stops him. Seriously, it's less about trying to save Clark and more about her feelings for Davis. I mean she ruined her marriage for the dude (note: she was dead wrong, and as far as I can tell hasn't really apologized to Jimmy), there's ZERO credibility here that she's doing it for Clark. She needs to die.
kavalier
04-30-2009, 10:44 PM
The minute I finished watching this episode I expected to get on here and find the fan boards just aglow with positivity over this episode. I'm a bit surprised that some people feel negatively.
The episode was really incredible. First off, the was one of the BEST ACTED episodes I have seen in a long time. Everyone knocked their performance out of the park. Biggest suprise? Oliver. I think this was Justin Hartley's best episode period. He really stepped it up.
Loved the writing. As much as I get a bit weirded out sometimes by how dark the show has gotten, I think everything that has happened so far with Davis and Chloe is finally starting to have some major payoff. That phone conversation between Clark and Chloe was an amazing moment for the series, a truly emotionally compelling moment. I don't think that moment would have been possible without all this crazy darkness that has preceded it. I'm starting to understand the writers' motives in bringing us to this point. I think the finale is going to be emotionally heartbreaking on a level that none of us are quite ready for.
jpfort1957
04-30-2009, 10:45 PM
If by harboring the guy who's going to kill you, trying to make you think you're crazy and sending you on a wild goose chase when the serial killer you are looking for is in her basement is proving her love for Clark.... then please do us all a favor... Love Him LESS.
Ya, alot less!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Violet-Shadow
04-30-2009, 10:45 PM
A 7 for the awesome Jimmy, partly for Oliver, partly for Clark. Chloe...eh, she's gone crazy. And I dislike "Davis" more and more and more and more...yeah, you get the point.
I don't hate Chloe but I think she's out of her mind, seriously. She was so desperate for her happy ending but now she's thrown it out the window. And "Davis" is clearly just a piece of gentically engineered...something or other. If you don't have something kind to type, just don't type it, right?
But Jimmy - man, do I love that guy! Even addicted to drugs he is a whole bunch of awesomeness. But, thankfully, it seems he's leaving that dark path behind him.
And Clark punching Davis...yes! That. Was. Superman.
tyson08
04-30-2009, 10:47 PM
I'll definitely be buying this episode on iTunes and watching it again. :)
Eeyore840
04-30-2009, 10:52 PM
I think all of the episodes where the Clark/Chloe/Davis arc was the A-plot have been fantastic, and Beast was no exception. Good dialogue, great acting, forward-moving plot. I give it a 10.
Lilah
04-30-2009, 10:53 PM
I feel bad for Allison Mack. She should cut her losses with the show and just move on. Chloe Sullivan is officially the worst character on Smallville, next to Davis Bloome. Everytime he's on my screen I cringe.
SVFancross
04-30-2009, 10:55 PM
Best episode of the season.
Lurchdaddy87
04-30-2009, 11:18 PM
But this is Smallville, they have to add tons of levels of Drama to everything(see Lana)
Now lets see why there is so much drama in the show. emm It was on the WB network and now it's on the CW. look at other shows on the CW America's Next Top Model, Gossip Girl, One Tree Hill, 90210 remake. The network is geared towards a Woman based audience and that includes Smallville and Supernatural even that stupid show Reaper. Male Actors like Tom Welling, Justin Hartley, Jensen Ackles, and Jared Pala...however you spell draw women to the show and the fact that it has a drama to it. Guys like it because its
a.) A comic book show
b.)There is just enough action to keep us hooked for an hour. or
c.) Our Girlfriends watch it, so we have.
I watch it because of reason a.) and that Supes is the greatest hero ever created
I think that the Smallville writers and producers have done a great job with the show. It has the right amount of everything.
SolaceDream
04-30-2009, 11:22 PM
I gave it four. It just didn't hold my attention really. The Chloe/Davis stuff bored me and Chloe just grated on my every nerve. I swear I just rolled my eyes at her end scene and thought, "Will she just shut up already? God!"
Clark started strong but then he pretty much let Chloe walk over him toward the end. It was kind of pathetic and the same thing he always let Lana do. I loved Oliver and Jimmy, but not even they could save this mess. I was pondering buying it on iTunes earlier but I just can't bring myself to waste the money on it. Not worth a rewatch let alone paying for it.
Supsfan
04-30-2009, 11:32 PM
a.) A comic book show
b.)There is just enough action to keep us hooked for an hour. or
c.) Our Girlfriends watch it, so we have.
I watch it because of reason a.) and that Supes is the greatest hero ever created
I think that the Smallville writers and producers have done a great job with the show. It has the right amount of everything.
I would go with a) and b), but say that there is alot left to be desired. I am a fan more of shows such as Lost or Battlestar Galactica, where romance drama takes a second seat to the actual storyline
BkWurm1
04-30-2009, 11:33 PM
That was amazing! I haven't felt compelled to watch and rewatch scenes from Smallville in a loooong time. So much emotion! Such great acting! So much pretty! TW, JH, SW and even AA were all pretty much bringing the hotness. hardly ever give episodes a 10, but I had to give it to this one.
So you love when Clark is reduced to a secondary character not even getting 14 mintues of screentime?
There was so much going on that I didn't even realize Clark wasn't there much. The other actors really carried their weight. AA got a chance to shine again. He does so well when the writers let him do more than whine or give a goofy grin.
That teaser! One hot make out scene spliced quickly to one of the most disturbing Smallville images ever. Really reminded me of a grotesque version of Clark in the Pilot episode.
Loved that Chloe showed up just in time to keep Clark from getting trapped in the PZ. Loved Clark digging into a search, using the computers and getting so hopeful when he heard footsteps.
Loved, loved, loved that last Chlark phone call. I had to remind myself that the actors weren't even in the same room. Such weight and power to that scene and it left me no doubt that EVERYTHING Chloe is doing "good or bad" is about saving Clark. TW was incredible. He sometimes (a lot of times) has hardly an expression on his face, but tonight there was so much being said on his face.
Great editing, great pacing, great end song. Loved the Oliver/Jimmy interaction. I also am so overwhelmingly pleased with how the Doomsday arc is going. Sure Doomsday is a mindless killing machine, but he hasn't come to stay yet. In the mean time, Davis. Ugh. SW is so goshdarn likeble. Loved his convo's with Oliver and Jimmy and then a quick call form Chloe. What a great episode!
This episode felt like a game changer. I'm not sure where we are going, but the ride will be fantastic! [Mostly because I don't think they have time to screw it up ;) ]
wingster55
04-30-2009, 11:35 PM
amazing episode
i give it a 9.5
so 9 in the poll
the acting was strong and the plot was great...really felt a sense of urgency throughout the episode and that Davis was a threat.
people actually voted 1? wow
Eeyore840
04-30-2009, 11:37 PM
This episode felt like a game changer. I'm not sure where we are going, but the ride will be fantastic! [Mostly because I don't think they have time to screw it up ;) ]
Ah, but there's ALWAYS time to screw it up--this is Smallville we're talking about, after all! :lol:
DavidM2
04-30-2009, 11:39 PM
8-Acting was amazing, Jimmy is recovering, fight in Fortress was cool, and the last scene was incredible. A bit too much Chlavis, but I still believe Chloe is doing what she thinks is best to protect Clark.
Clarkgirl8
04-30-2009, 11:51 PM
And this ladies and gentlemen it's what is called a good episode!!
10/10
lillie_poo_pod
04-30-2009, 11:52 PM
LOVED IT! Loved it loved it loved it loved it!
Did I mentioned that I loved it?
Where to start, where to start.
First things first, this episode proved that Chloe is doing all of this do save Clark and on a greater scale, the greater good. Oh yeah, she's totally a betrayer.
Anyways, I loved the Chlavis. I think the dream showed(which was hot, before all the blood), that while Chloe does have some feelings for Davis, she's hasn't forgotten what he is.
Sam did a great job playing Davis tonight, which he does all the time anyways. Davis is desperate and he needs Chloe with him, and that showed tonight.
Clark was wonderful.
Ollie sucks and is wrong about Chloe.
I feel bad for Jimmy a bit, but I did lol when Davis clocked him. Twice. AA does a fantastic job, when given the right material by the way.
And omg the Chlark! That last scene, broke my heart in such a good way. It reinforce exactly where Chloe loyalties lie.
Everyone did a great job. *sigh* Awesome episode.
Imzadia
05-01-2009, 12:00 AM
Even though this episode only focused on the main cast members and didn't really bring anything new to the table, I still feel as though it deserves a '9' because of the fantastic story that it told and the manner in which all of the characters interacted. I particularly liked a lot of the scenes involving characters that aren't typically seen together (like Oliver and Jimmy) and a lot of the conflict seemed very real in this episode, such as Clark and Chloe's struggle.
Also, the cinematography used in the scenes with the Fortress of Solitude was absolutely great -- I really like the darker look of the place and think it adds a lot of atmosphere to the scenes there.
Overall, this was a fantastic episode -- definitely one of my favorites of the season -- and the preview for next week looks more than captivating as well!
DITTO! :D
PLUS, I just felt that "Beast" was a Very Powerful episode as far as provoking emotional involvement, at least, for me. I found it heartbreaking as far as the relationship/friendship between Clark and Chloe is concerned. I felt how hurt and confused Clark was by Chloe's behavior. I understand that 'she' believes that her actions are to protect Clark, but if she really wanted to 'protect' Clark and he was truly her main focus, then she would've Helped Clark send Davis to the Phantom Zone, especially since she Knows that Davis is 'immortal' as he informed her himself. Even if he was killed, he'd only come back stronger as Dr. Hamilton tried to explain it to her. What happened to all of Chloe's 'big brained' intelligence? There's no rationality to what she's doing, IMO.
Clark is hesitant to 'kill' Davis, but he doesn't want the monster in him to freely go around killing people, because I feel that Clark isn't positive that he can stop Doomsday's rampages. I was disappointed that Chloe wants to comfort Davis' human side and can't recognize that he's mostly Obsessed with her like some wild, possessive protohuman would be about his female mate. It made me angry because it's all so Crazy what Chloe is doing, I don't care whether she thinks she's doing it to save Clark! I felt so SAD because it all seems to be so out of control, and Zod, Faora, Brainiac, and Yes, Doomsday all seem to have the upper hand and is actually winning with their 'Plan' through the creation of Doomsday. It is working. :eek: I feel Shaken by this episode and fearful of what's to come in the last two episodes of this season. I'm very much Mentally and Emotionally ENGAGED in this story, SO, that means Smallville is still 'bringing the drama and the thrills' to the storytelling 'plate', IMHO. I gave this episode a 10, because "Beast" Worked It! :cool:
The Dark Knight74
05-01-2009, 12:09 AM
10. Maybe the best of the season.
THE BEST EPISODE IN THE SEASON! Chlavis was hot!
Drakaun
05-01-2009, 12:19 AM
I personally thought this was a really great episode and I can hardly wait until next week. Chloe, in her mind, is really trying to protect Clark. Davis/Doomsday doesn't have a single weakness whereas Clark does. As far as she can tell he gets stronger every time something "kills" him so in her mind there is no way to truly defeat him. On the other side yes she cares about Davis, he is an innocent in all of this. He grew up thinking he was human with a small dark side, and suddenly this dark side is much stronger than he imagined. Sending him to the phantom zone would just make him go mad, and I am sure he would find a way out of the phantom zone and be left without a single strand of humanity left which Chloe wants to avoid. She wants to find a way to cure Davis, to free him from this curse and she couldn't do that if he was in the phantom zone.
Oliver, though some people feel he is out of place, is entirely correct. Clark has to kill Doomsday, that is what he is destined to do as we all know this. He is a monster hidden within a human who is barely even human anymore. He had the same idea with Lex Luthor. It brings to mind the really awesome story arch in Justice League where Superman does kill Lex realizing he just keeps getting out of jail and hurting more people and because of this the Justice League becomes the Justice Lords. They thought they were doing the right thing they were really dictating everyone's life. But they were so convinced it was right that they invaded our superman's universe to kill Lex for him to create the same "peaceful" world they did in their universe.
To say this was one of the worst episodes in Smallville history is being really harsh, but to each his own I suppose. I truly enjoyed it thoroughly and can't wait for next week.
MsSullivan
05-01-2009, 12:24 AM
OMG that was awesome! This is what Smallville should be every week, not crap like Stiletto.
amalie
05-01-2009, 01:02 AM
9
Overall it was an excellent episode but I'm getting annoyed with the 'Clark's wrong, everyone else is right' mentality.
La Donna
05-01-2009, 01:06 AM
And the great divide begins. I had a feeling this episode would go ahead and push those on the fence about Chloe to one side or the other. There's people who see Chloe as vindicated, and those who feel she was shown to be the negative character they thought she was. The writer's achieved their goal of making the audience wonder about who Chloe was really doing it for. Except, of course, that instead of leaving each audience member wondering, it made most of the audience completely resolved in Chloe's true motives. So, you've got a big chunk of fans who see Chloe as a hero, and a big chunk of fans who see her as either the villain or the dumbest woman on the planet.
And Cedric, it's funny that you wrote that, because the first sentence I was going to write in my review is that Chloe was totally vindicated and her intentions have been shown to be pro Clark. Or, in other words, I was right. But, after reading a few of the posts on here, I see how strongly people feel about both sides. I certainly think the finale is going to disappoint a pretty large segment either way, and the premiere as well. It's either the Chloe fans who hate that she was killed or in the middle of the Doomsday story, or the people who hate Chloe and feel she was not self-sacrificing and yet she is returned to normal storyline next season as Watchtower.
So, Cedric, I now see that you will feel vindicated, just as I do. Weird, huh? The same episode can make us both convinced that we are right, only we're on opposite sides. You know what? I miss the days that we were both battling on Lois's behalf against Lois haters. Now, Lois is doing so great and has so many fans, that she doesn't need defending hardly at all, and it's Chloe who's losing fans and in turmoil so I spend most of my time coming to her defense. It's a struggle. I need to take a rest somewhere that has fans of both ladies and I can revel in their awesomeness without feeling like I have to defend one or both of them constantly!!
But, even though this post is long, it's not even my review. That's on it's way.
Supsfan
05-01-2009, 01:11 AM
The writer's achieved their goal of making the audience wonder about who Chloe was really doing it for.
Actually no it didn't.
I could care less what Chloe motives are. I just wished the episode had a bit more to do with Clark, I am not a huge fan of the melodramatic crap(big pet peeve of mine on this show) and am just like get the fight on and over with I really don't need to know much more about Sageeth...errr I mean Doomsday.
Not a terrible episode, but nothing great
quiet_fractures
05-01-2009, 01:13 AM
10. One of the best Smallville episodes.
claudiss
05-01-2009, 01:16 AM
10. Loved Beast. :-) Those are emotions Clark!, it`s good to see concern mixed with anger coming from Clark, the end was so intense!! props to TW, AM and SW!!!!!!
Agent Addek
05-01-2009, 01:51 AM
Definitely a 10!!! One of Smallville's best episodes. AM, TW, SW, AA, and JH were all on their A game tonight. The episode exceeded my expectations. I just hope the next two episodes don't disappoint.
La Donna
05-01-2009, 02:43 AM
Actually no it didn't.
I could care less what Chloe motives are. I just wished the episode had a bit more to do with Clark, I am not a huge fan of the melodramatic crap(big pet peeve of mine on this show) and am just like get the fight on and over with I really don't need to know much more about Sageeth...errr I mean Doomsday.
Not a terrible episode, but nothing great
I beg to differ. They wanted to provide clues that point to both sides, and they intentionally didn't make it a fact as to which side she was on. This thread is all the evidence you need. Many people found Chloe to be doing all of this for Clark, and yet there are many who found Chloe to be doing it for Davis. I'm not saying every single audience member cares about the plot line. There are a large number of people who hate the story line and wish it never happened. They still have an opinion on Chloe's actions. You don't have to love Chavis or this arc to guess where Chloe is headed. The writers stated that they want the audience left wondering who Chloe is really doing all of this for. Just read this thread and you'll see that there is no consensus, and very much pushed a lot of people to one side or the other.
Supsfan
05-01-2009, 02:47 AM
I beg to differ. They wanted to provide clues that point to both sides, and they intentionally didn't make it a fact as to which side she was on.
That's my opinion the producers intentionally leave it hanging in the air for the viewer to decide, I decided I could care less, just let them duke it out already :P
If i had to pick one, I will go with Chloe has a Mother Teresa complex and doing it to try help both.
Ljiljana
05-01-2009, 03:25 AM
LOVED IT! Loved it loved it loved it loved it!
Did I mentioned that I loved it?
Where to start, where to start.
First things first, this episode proved that Chloe is doing all of this do save Clark and on a greater scale, the greater good. Oh yeah, she's totally a betrayer.
Anyways, I loved the Chlavis. I think the dream showed(which was hot, before all the blood), that while Chloe does have some feelings for Davis, she's hasn't forgotten what he is.
Sam did a great job playing Davis tonight, which he does all the time anyways. Davis is desperate and he needs Chloe with him, and that showed tonight.
Clark was wonderful.
Ollie sucks and is wrong about Chloe.
I feel bad for Jimmy a bit, but I did lol when Davis clocked him. Twice. AA does a fantastic job, when given the right material by the way.
And omg the Chlark! That last scene, broke my heart in such a good way. It reinforce exactly where Chloe loyalties lie.
Everyone did a great job. *sigh* Awesome episode.
OMG, SV can be so GOOD when it wants to be. I'd forgotten that but Sam, Tom and Allison reminded me of this so MUCH tonight.
They were fantastic and they made me feel for each of their characters, as much as I could see why they were wrong/right/whatever. That too is a new-old feeling for me with this show.
And Chlark *sobs* And Clarkie! She's doing everything for you and now you know it :) And you'll never stop looking for her *ahh*
Now that's EPIC.
joits
05-01-2009, 04:35 AM
all i can say is that chloe is a freakin idiot! i don't care what her reasoning is. he killed around 50 people. her reasoning that clark will never forgive himself if he banishes davis to the phantom zone is just about the stupidest thing ever. clark's a big boy, i'm sure he'll survive. any deaths that arise from this point on is on her. she's an accomplice. her stupidity is putting people's lives in jeopardy. i've always liked chloe's character but i can't understand her compulsion to save davis. supposedly its to save clark... if that were true, then she would choose clark's life over a supposed bad feeling he may get by banishing davis.
i'm all for oliver giving a lecture to clark. clark is way to naive at this point. i understand his no killing people thing. but someone needs to knock some reality and some sense into clark. i know people disliked that oliver was lecturing clark... but its all true. everything that he says to clark is true.
sithius
05-01-2009, 04:50 AM
I thought it was awesome.
We have people saying it was rubbish and that Lois not being in it is the reason. All I can say is 'what?' So I suppose SV season 1-3 was rubbish then? Give me a break.
For people complaining about the lack of a 'round 1' between Davis and Clark... how much money do you think the show gets? They don't have an unlimited budget to throw around. They're saving the bulk of it for what should be an awesome showdown in the season finale.
Finally, we have people complaining about Clark not killing Davis. Just go pick up a Superman comic, please. Even in the Death of Superman, when Superman fights Doomsday, he does not set out to kill DD, only to stop him. He probably knew he had to kill him, but only whilst engaging in battle with him. DD isn't on a murderous unstoppable rampage at the moment, so it gives Clark some time to find another way to stop him (namely, the phantom zone). Superman only kills as a last resort, when it is absolutely necessary, and it certainly is not absolutely necessary at the moment.
This episode was far better than last weeks filler.
joits
05-01-2009, 04:55 AM
i thought it was okay, but i think people are entitled to their own opinions. i didn't like the decisions that chloe made... period. but that wasn't enough to make me hate the episode. don't stress over it... its the natural way of things... and the writers certainly succeeded in pushing the buttons of the audience.
Poyntz
05-01-2009, 04:55 AM
Agreed.
People have been hating BEFORE the episode even aired. They expect to hate it because Lois isnt in it or because of chloe or clarks actions that they heard about so when it actually airs they just feel confirmed. Sometimes i wonder what the general public actually thinks because if you do not read these boards and get influenced by all the hate what would the reactions be.
Zeburial
05-01-2009, 04:56 AM
Clearly one of the best episodes in the whole series so far. 10/10 without a doubt!
-Nora-
05-01-2009, 04:57 AM
Can't speak for everyone, but none of the above was a reason for my dislike of this episode.
I hate the Chlavis storyline and what they're doing to Chloe. Last night she became completely unlikable to me. She's making a mistake, she's completely lost control over the situation and she doesn't have class enough to own up to it and try to fix it. Clark could have sent Davis to the PZ, that would've been the best solution by far. Yet Chloe stopped him. It annoys the hell out of me that she thinks she has the right to a) tell Clark what to do and b) put the world in danger by keeping Davis under her radar instead of sending him to another dimension. She's risking thousands of lives and I simply loathe her for that.
Then to top it all off, she gives Clark this drivel about how she's putting herself in danger just for him? Great, cause Clark doesn't blame himself enough for everything already. We need more of that. And she makes it all look like a sacrifice when earlier she tells Davis she'd do anything for him?
Gimme a break.
Selina
05-01-2009, 04:57 AM
I haven't read people say Lois was the reason. Well, I dont think that way.
I actually really enjoyed the episode and gave it a 9 in the episode review. However what annoyed me in this episode was how Chloe was written, especially the bit about how guilty Clark would feel if he were to send Davis to the PZ. That just made my blood boil. Silly writers!
Also, last week was not a filler. Some of the scenes today would have made little sense if it were and it would showed a lack of continuty.
tmchale1970
05-01-2009, 05:01 AM
i gave it an 8 but i must admit what chloe is up to is doing my head in
La Donna
05-01-2009, 05:19 AM
Since last week some people were annoyed about long posts on the threads, I will say right now that this is a review of the episode and is a long post. Pretty darn long, in fact. Also, I'm too tired to proof it before I post and I wrote it pretty quickly, which means I'm sure there will be errors. I apologize in advance. Skip past this post if you only read the short ones.
General comments on the season:
I really think the timing of the episodes this season is distracting to the storylines and is out of sync. Infamous, Hex, and Stiletto were all lighter episodes, that had the positive side of the RBB arc (one of the two main themes this season) or Superhero ideas in general. Then, Turbulence, Eternal, and now Beast are the dark storylines that tell the other story arc for this season, that of Doomsday. Beast through the finale actually look like a natural flow, and for that I'm glad.
But, I strongly dislike the flip-flip of the story arcs. I know they wanted to do both arcs, and they probably wanted to mix the lighter RBB stories into the Doomsday stories in order to keep the RBB/Lois arc in the audience's mind, but it made this whole back half of the season feel completely disjointed. From Power to Beast, there has been almost no episode that feels like it fits from one to the next. Possibly Power to Requiem, but considering how different those two episodes are from the rest this season, I'm not sure I'd count them as consistent. The sign of a good show is to tell their story in a natural and entertaining way. What they need to do is plan the arc's out better, and weave the arc's into the episodes, as opposed to devoting some episodes to one arc and the rest to another.
Eternal:
So, we have Eternal where they basically wrote an entirely new legend and story in order to incorporate Davis into "destiny". Any long time Smallville fan saw that they changed what they previously established as truth, and yet they went full force with this new version. It was a good episode otherwise, with Chloe proving that Clark is her priority, and that she is willing to save him at nearly any cost. It also showed her ultimate commitment to the Clark/Savior idea in that she was willing to sacrifice her own happiness and safety in order to keep Clark alive and keep him around to save others.
Stiletto:
Then, we have Stiletto. It was a great episode in some ways, but a little disappointing in others. I'm glad the spoilers were not what some feared, and that Chloe had nothing to do with AJ's death. They also made it overly clear that she was disgusted by what he's done and is on the brink of falling apart over what the situation has done to her and others. I thought Lois's arc was very campy, but it was also comedic and they played it realistically.
She went crashing through the glass, and I was thinking "Oh my God, I can't believe they just had her do that. This show is so over the top sometimes". But, then when Lois came down, she said something along the lines of "I can't believe that worked". I loved that line and it fit perfectly with who Lois is and what the show was using for comedy. I love Lois, and even though she had a crazy idea, she didn't stick with it, and I don't think it was a bad thing to do necessarily. It was dangerous, and pointless. If she printed the article, it would have been over the line. But, she didn't, and in the end she really proved that she feels the RBB was a hero worthy of respect, and that even though she wants the story desperately, she is putting the RBB and his needs ahead of the story. I loved that.
The phone conversation was perfect. I couldn't have asked for anything better. And when Clark got shot, I couldn't help but smile because of how adorable Lois was about it. Then, having Clark milk it at the planet was just another sign of where he's at with his feelings. Their friendship is still there, and he's smitten big time. When Clark watched her during the phone call, it was clearer than it's ever been that he has fallen in love with her.
Chloe's arc was a mix. Leaving the laptop with info in her car? Taking it from Isis in the first place? I can see being stressed out, but that's a huge blunder for Chloe to have made. I think there were better and more believable ways to show Chloe's stress. Combine the laptop being stolen, not having the urge to investigate Jimmy's claim in Turbulence, her "low-blood sugar" excuse for Davis in Eternal, and now her leaving Davis alone to go to Isis, and it all adds up to someone who's too stressed out to function. And no one pushed her too hard in Stiletto. Lois and Clark both tried to pry the truth from her, but Clark should have really pushed harder knowing that Chloe is making such mistakes. Although, in Clark's defense, he's had a lot on his plate lately.
The positive for Chloe is that I think her disgust and utter repulsion as to Davis's acts were clear, especially in the end when she saw blood on her hands. It broke my heart to see her standing there crying. She feels it's the right thing to do by keeping Davis away from Clark and keeping him from transforming, but knowing what he's done and could do is so horrid and she had to walk right back into the place and stick with him. I felt heartbroken for her.
Beast:
So, now we have Beast. A big detraction was that Clark wasn't there as much he should have been. But, having said that, the episode had good performances from the entire cast, and the scenes kept the idea of Clark and Davis around, even if Clark wasn't in every scene.
I guess I'm not surprised that some feel the Chlark emotion was romantic, because any sign of love or emotion from Clark and Chloe is often labeled romantic by at least a few people. But to me, everything between Clark and Chloe just screams family and deep friendship. I see Chloe as Clark's best friend and like a sister. He loves her, deeply. But, I can't see any romantic aspect. Clark's best friend/sister is trying to sacrifice herself for Clark, and Clark is pissed that she's doing it in a way that he can't prevent. I didn't see that as romantic jealousy or love, I only saw it as someone who's loved one is in danger and Clark is utterly frustrated that he keeps getting prevented from helping her. I just wanted to put that out there before I forget it.
Clark was great tonight. He didn't let anyone walk all over him, he figured almost everything out on his own, and stuck to his guns even after pressure from those who are close to him. The only thing that gave me pause was when he was trying to send Davis to the PZ, and Chloe stopped him and told him that he could never forgive himself. It seemed like Clark stopped and considered it, and I just don't see why. He had time to think about the PZ, to investigate the possibility of it, to see what Davis had done, and to find the best solution possible. People live in the PZ, and they survive there. It's bad, but that's prison for you. And people are able to get out of the zone, as well. Why not put Davis in there until and then try to find a cure for Davis, planning to release him once the cure is found? I just think Clark had enough time to fully debate the pros and cons of the PZ and he came to a decision that was well thought out. For him to pause and let Chloe's argument affect him was unnecessary to me.
Actually, thinking about it now, it really BLOWS that Clark is here solving problems, investigating, and making choices and he's got Ollie in one ear telling him his idea isn't good enough and he needs to man up, and then Chloe in his other ear telling him that his idea isn't good enough for Clark's morals. Clark just can't win sometimes! I hope next season doesn't wind up with Clark's guilt being so great that other people figure everything out and Clark is left as a reactionary person. He's had steps this season that have been so worthwhile to see, moving forward in a lot of ways. I don't want him back stepping and I hope that's not the plan.
I'm so glad that the making out was in a dream. I was spending this past week trying to find any way that the Chloe from the end of Stiletto would make out with Davis in Beast. I'm so glad that it was a nightmare and not real. I also think it was a clear indication of her biggest fear, that Clark will die at Davis's hands. In the dream, Davis even said to Chloe "What did you think was going to happen?". This is the question everyone is posing to Chloe, and she's posing it to herself as well.
I hate it when Chloe lies to someone's face, even if she thinks she's doing the right thing. I hated it in season 7 when Lois knew that she saw a spaceship, and I hated it in Beast when Clark reveals his suspicions that Davis is still alive and Chloe not only denied it, but tried to get Clark off of that line of thought. While I see why Chloe didn't tell Clark (because there is no way in hell Clark would ever let Chloe stay with Davis), I agree with others who say that Clark needs to be warned and on his guard. I don't know how she could do that, but I'm sure there could have been a way to do that. Chloe could even have said that yes he is alive, and he came by there, but then he left again right away and she hasn't heard from him since. That way Clark is on guard and can begin to make plans for the confrontation.
Wow, Jimmy. Did you guys see how he looked when he first showed up? He looked like a zombie. I think they went overboard making him look strung out on pain pills. He did look like he needed a lot of help, but it just went over the top for me. He was pale, there were bags under his eyes, and he looked like a dead man. I felt bad for him. Actually, I felt worse and worse for him as the episode went on. He's so sad and broken. I hated that he said marrying her was the biggest mistake of his life, and how he sent her a supposed email full of cursing, but otherwise I think Jimmy did have a point in the break-up and I think he had every right to end it. But this Jimmy wasn't just hurt and acting out, it was a broken man who has nothing left to lose. Frankly, I like my Olsen a bit more wholesome. But, AA sure is showing off his acting talent this season. I'm over the moon that the arc is done (I hope). And I loved Ollie's speech to Jimmy at the end. No matter what Jimmy was feeling for Chloe, he wanted her safe and warned her to stay safe. I'm really glad they had that scene.
I'm glad the doc was back. I'm also immensely glad that Chloe was trying to figure this thing out and wasn't just relying on Davis's feelings for her to keep him in check. But, I have a question: Where did she get the idea that a cure could exist? What made her or anyone else think that the beast could be destroyed leaving Davis a normal human? It seems that every piece of information that we've learned about Davis, from his heritage to his mutation and rebirths. I saw nothing that would lead me to believe there is a way to separate the beast and the personality of Davis, or that the beast could be killed without harming Davis. Perhaps I missed a clue or piece of information, but I thought the idea of a cure came out of left field, and I didn't see anything that hinted at a cure being possible. At least she tried. Maybe the doc will make some progress and something he finds out will help in the end.
Let me just say again that I really supported Clark's PZ idea. I think it's an intelligent solution and I was stoked that he came up with all of it on his own. He's a smart guy who can problem solve, but the show sometimes doesn't let him. I'm glad this time it was all Clark doing the investigating and coming up with the plan.
Ollie..... Man! Who is this guy? He has two sides and they just live together in harmony. I go from being shocked at his attitude, to finding him charming and showing why he's a superhero. It's a bad path for Ollie right now if his new "Kill them to stop future killings" becomes his motto. He did it with Lex, and now he's doing it with Davis. But, he has this other side that is a born leader, an inspiring motivator, and someone who helps his friends. Just as he did with Jimmy at the end. Every scene is a surprise as to which Ollie they are giving us for this scene. We did find out he really does love Tess and that his intentions for going through with the merger were personal and centered on Tess rather than Lex.
I enjoyed the scene in the basement with Jimmy and Davis. I loved it when Jimmy said "I hate to sound like a broken record, but it was Davis". Ollie's right Jimbo, you did get it first and you stuck to your guns. The main thing I thought of was "where the hell is Chloe if Davis is having free reign of the talon?". Because seriously, it was only a scene or two before that when Chloe learned that Davis says he can't be physically apart from her again. I get that she needed to go to Isis and speak with the doctor without Davis knowing, but to leave him there in order to go to Metropolis was a dumb move after what he told her.
Davis and Jimmy decided to antagonize Davis. Smartie pants. He's a "Krazee eyez killa", and yet they decide to push him and antagonize him. Man I've never wanted to tell two tv characters to sit down and shut the hell up before as badly as I wanted to during that scene. They both showed a brave side and a self-sacrificing side in that scene though. Ollie yelled to warn Chloe, even though he knew it would tick Davis off if he shouted that, and Jimmy tried to get Davis to kill him in order to spare Ollie and Chloe. I'm not sure if Ollie was offering up himself instead of Jimmy when he told Davis that Chloe would never forgive him for killing Jimmy, but either way I though he made a good argument and I'm glad he said it. He can think on his feet, that's for sure.
With how much people love death anvils, I'm surprised no one has mentioned a little line from Davis that could look like a death anvil. I think most of the "death anvils" people see on this show are events that never pan out or are interpreted by fans to point to a death when really they don't. They certainly have many on Smallville, both real and fake. Chloe seems to have one every episode lately. It's their favorite thing to do with Chloe, since they always like to remind audiences that "Chloe could be killed at any time". But, once Ollie had changed Davis's mind about killing Jimmy, Davis turned around and said "It has to be you" to Ollie, meaning you have to be the one to die. I could see someone interpreting that to be the anvil that sets up Ollie dying in the finale in the place of someone else. He's certainly leading people into danger in the finale, and he's a character who could die (Smallville death style, which means the character could be really gone forever, or could be assumed dead, but it's left ambiguous even though the character doesn't return to the show).
I'm not saying it's a death anvil, but a lot of you guys see different death anvils in every Smallville scene, and that one looked like the type of anvils you guys use for your arguments. I personally think the death anvils are without purpose, as the death is either obvious or the usual false lead, as well as many anvils that seemed legit but never paid off in the end.
However, I hated Ollie's speech to Clark in the episode towards the end about the type of person Chloe is and what Clark needs to do. He basically said Chloe's a bad guy. That's crap, and it surprised me. Two episodes ago he asked her to be part of a superhero league, and now he thinks she's on the bad side, even though he heard Davis say that Chloe is staying with him to keep him from transforming.
He also told Clark to grow a pair and just kill him. I used to like Ollie's Clark talks, but that was back when Clark wasn't always acting like a hero and was hiding out on the farm with Lana. Now, he's out there confronting the problems and thinking of solutions. I think it's premature for Ollie to say "Kill him, and kill him now, and don't let your ex-best friend stand in your way". He's just so dark lately, and coming off a bit like Lex did for awhile. He sees himself as a hero, and he has a "means justify the ends" motto. I want his choices to always reflect that he has a grip on reality and his morals reflect that. Or at least that's he willing to learn. He's just so sure of his own ways and against Clark doing it any other way that it annoyed me.
The Ollie/Clark speech really showed me how well Clark gets Chloe and it also reflected the same instinct in Chloe that she shares with Clark. Clark said Chloe always believes in second chances and seeing the good in people, and Clark does too. I'm glad he defended Chloe, and it seemed like Clark really understood Chloe's true motivations. Also, his commitment to finding her and not giving her up to the cause was very Supermanly. It's exactly the reason Chloe didn't tell Clark about it in the first place, since she knew Clark would keep her away from Davis and then Davis would turn into the monster, but it's a very loving thing that Clark does and reflects his loyalty and bravery for his friends.
It was great to get a sneak peek at Davis and Clark going at it. I loved it. The slow-motion running, the hitting, I loved it all. I couldn't believe Davis said "Chloe is my chance to be happy" or "have a happy life". I guess Clark's guilt trip back in Eternal when he told Davis they should have been brothers made Davis change his own views of what he deserves. He went from trying to kill himself off for the good of the world, to wanting a happy life and asking Clark to let him have it, even if it puts Chloe in constant danger.
When Chloe pulled that crystal out, I was so tense from that scene! I was literally on the edge of my seat. Not only was it an exciting scene, but it was about to give us some of the answers to our "Chloe's motivations" situation. She pulled it out, and I said "No, Chloe, please just shove it back in and say-oops my bad". I think Chloe was truthful in that entire scene, and I think she really showed why she's opposed to the PZ idea. But, then it occurred to me that she should have spoken to Clark and Davis and explained what was going on in that moment. She could have told Clark and Davis that the doc was looking into a solution and how Chloe keeps Davis from transforming. I don't see why the PZ couldn't have been a temporary solution until they can find a safer or happier plan. Ya, it sucks. But, so does the constant risk of Davis transforming and killing Clark and a lot of other people who may be in the way.
Chloe may have been right about Clark's feelings if he sent Davis to the PZ, but the "blood on his hands" comment was not fitting. I think Chloe was scared that Clark could end up stuck in the PZ, and this time, she couldn't help him return. But her putting Clark's future feelings of potential guilt above the threat of what she knew could happen was a mistake. Maybe if the PZ was shown to actually destroy people, then I can see Chloe's side as being the more accurate one. But the PZ isn't like that on this show. Davis would kick *** there, I think we can be sure of that! He would be in a horrible place, but Kara survived and she's a good girl. Davis could certainly hang there for awhile.
I see how some can come away from this episode believing Chloe is acting like the most ignorant or naive person on the planet. Even people who may like Chloe could think that. But, I don't see a solid argument for thinking Chloe is in this for Davis. I know TPTB said they were shooting for ambiguity, but the weight of her speech and actions point to her acting self-sacrificing for Clark's sake. Whether she's making choices that are truly the wisest in the end or she's making rash decisions based on the information she has at the moment, either way she has shown that her safety and happiness is secondary to keep Davis and Clark apart. I can't reconcile the sad and disgusted faces she's made in this and previous episodes when confronted with Davis's actions and see any way that it would work with the idea of her wanting to be with Davis because of her feelings for him. The spoiler for the relationship change between her and Clark was either wrong, or changed. Their relationship may end up with consequences down the road, but at the end of the episode, Clark views Chloe in the same light and wants to save her, just as Chloe views Clark in the same light and wants to save him.
The phone call at the end was the last piece of evidence for me that Chloe is definitely doing this for Clark. I don't think she wants a real relationship with Davis, and I don't think her feelings for him outweigh her feelings for anyone else. Clark's safety is her top priority, and she told the truth that she knows her life may be about to end, but it's for the greater good if Clark survives to fight for the world. Her tears and the way she did the call were so heartbreaking. She's basically saying goodbye to Clark for what may be the last time, and she knows that if Clark can't find her, she has no back up if things go really bad with Davis. To me, that call was her last link to her own safety and survival. Clark realizes this too, which made him utterly upset. I'm glad he punched that file cabinet. He needs to let it out sometimes. I was grossed out when Davis brought her that heart shaped snack. Really creepy to get a heart shaped chocolate from a serial killer. Or maybe that's just me who feels that way;)
Not being able to save a friend, and knowing that a friend may be dying or get hurt for him, goes against EVERYTHING that Clark desires and believes. Clark knows that he needs to solve the Davis problem and save Chloe too. His idea was great for the PZ, but now he's got to not only get Davis, but also save Chloe. He's trying desperately to do the right thing, and it's becoming very hard for him. This finale will be heartbreaking for Clark, one way or another. He wants to prevent anything from happening with Doomsday, and keep his friends safe from what he deems "his problem". But, someone's dying for sure by Davis's hand, and Ollie's voice is singing in his ear that if he would have just killed Davis none of that would have happened. It'll be sad. Big time.
But, I'm so worried for next season because of that quote that the finale will actually be Clark's fault. It seems like they are making it not only be Clark's fault and mistake, but that he'll have to deal with all the consequences of his choices throughout next season. I hope that the quote was meant to convey something else other than it's obvious meaning. I don't want to see guilt ridden Clark who's blamed for Davis's rampage and the death of his friend/friends.
I just really feel like this episode showed us that the good guys all want to do the right thing, and all feel like they know the best option to take. They just don't agree on what that is, and they are all suffering to some degree or another because of it. Ollie believes whole-heartedly that killing Davis is the only way to keep anyone else from dying. He'll be putting himself in harms way (as well as others) in order to take Davis down and prevent Davis from fully destroying everything as Doomsday. Clark believes whole-heartedly that he's not a killer, and that he needs to get Chloe as far away from Davis as possible. He's trying to find the best solution for Davis/Doomsday, and keep everyone safe. There's a huge kink in the plan now that
Chloe is glueing herself to Davis in order to keep Davis from becoming Doomsday. Clark wants to prevent that, but he's stuck right now in how he can go about doing that.
Chloe believes whole-heartedly that the only way to keep Davis from becoming Doomsday (the killing machine who can kill Clark) is to remain with him. It disgusts her, stresses her out, forces her to be utterly cut off from her loved ones, and puts her in immediate danger, but she is at the point where she feels it's the only way to save Clark and keep Doomsday from killing innocent people. Her actions and phone call tell her entire line of thought here. Jimmy believes Davis is bad news and dangerous, and he's certainly going to be weary of what happens coming up. He'll do whatever he can to prevent Davis from hurting anyone else. Even Tess feels like she's doing whatever she can to "save the world". Her version of saving everyone is twisted and dark, but I really think she's doing it for the "greater good".
Davis is this huge problem for everyone, and all of those who have any part of his story are going to push themselves to find an answer to this problem. Right now, there's no agreement as to what to do, and that's going to cause even more problems in the next two episodes.
This episode was so much better than Eternal, even though I didn't think Eternal was too bad. I just hate the way they throw away the history of the show sometimes to fit in a new arc. But, the acting was brilliant, the show was very beautiful to watch, the dialogue was meaty and really carried a lot of weight and meaning, and it really pushed people into their final positions for the finale. I gave it a 9.
I guess next week I should try and go back to not really reviewing the episodes fully because I do write WAY TOO MUCH! I can't promise that the next posts or reviews will be brief, but I'll try. I'm sure I can do it...... probably.......maybe...... I mean there's always a chance that I can do brief. Okay, fine, don't hold me to it. I just got a facebook page for the first time a few days ago, and I'm in love with it. I'm seriously addicted to that thing, which takes time away from my usual posting habits here. Maybe the addiction will be worse by next week's episode and I simply won't have the finger strength or time to devote to my rambling thoughts.
Mickey_Bickey
05-01-2009, 05:19 AM
There was a lot wrong with this episode, but it had some good parts. I realize that TW is directing the next episode, but it seemed to me that he was only there to superspeed in and out of scenes last night. I understand that though, but didn't like it.
The Doomsday/Chloe stuff was was too dramatic. Chloe lying to Clark again, then using the excuse that she's protecting him to run off with Doomsday. She's clearly in love with him, and Clark knows that. He called her on it when she started telling him it was all for him, which it really isn't. Deep down it's about Chloe's feelings for Davis.
In Infamous Chloe did not hesitate to run, call Clark and warn him. It's totally different now, because she's in love with him, something Clark sees and is concerned about, because he knows that Chloe's judgement is clouded because of that. He's worried that something will happen to her, which it very well might. She even admitted to Clark that she didn't tell him, because he would have put a stop to it. Right! She knows she was doing something wrong and something that Clark would never approve of.
I was glad that she didn't take Davis to the FOS though. I would have had a HUGE problem with that. The big BUT is what Chloe did there though. She prevented Clark from getting rid of him for good. Did she also prevent Clark from going as well? The answer could be yes, but we'll never know for sure. How did Davis even know what that was???? "You're coming with me!" How could he know about the Phantom Zone? Some can argue that Chloe did that for Clark, but I believe that she did it for Doomsday too.
I actually got a good laugh with the line "A world without Chloe". That was amusing. The rose petals looked like a trail of blood in the dream sequence, and a moment later it was. Another foreshadow.
The best part of the episode was the Oliver/Jimmy interaction and especially the end where hopefully the drug arc is concluded! I'm glad to see Jimmy seeing a ray of hope, and Oliver was great in this episode. Oliver was right about what he said to Clark, but it's frustrating that Clark can't realize these things on his own. I like the fact that Oliver is strong about what needs to be done. I wish the writers would make Clark a little more decisive and assertive.
The slamming down of the phone at the end has nothing to do with Clark being jealous. It's about Clark being frustrated that his best friend and confidant is now running off with a Killing Machine!! Clark is also frustrated, because of the way Chloe lied and betrayed his trust. Who wouldn't be upset at that? Chloe's making a grave mistake, and she's in way over her head.
She's clearly trying to convince Clark and even herself that she's doing this for him, but inside her actions and motives are driven for her love of Doomsday IMO. The look before she got into the car at the end showed that she's worried that Clark may be right though, but it's not enough to stop her.
Supsfan
05-01-2009, 05:20 AM
I prefer more Clark being a bigger part of the episode, this episode reminded me of a Lana-esque storyline to much
Forever_Chlark
05-01-2009, 05:24 AM
i loved it, that last scene broke my heart .
Mickey_Bickey
05-01-2009, 05:38 AM
I gave the episode a 6, but not for any reasons stated above. There was a lot wrong with it, and as I stated in the loved it/hated it thread it was too dramatic with the Clo/Dooms stuff.
I didn't like that Chloe suggested they run off together, and that it's obvious to me that she's in love with him, and ultimately her actions are driven by her emotion not her desire to protect Clark.
In Infamous she called and warned him right away without hesitation, but in this episode and the last two her desire to stay with Doomsday is outweighing her loyalty to Clark.
She's desperately trying to convince herself and others that this is all about Clark, but that's not true. It's more about her love for Doomsday IMO.
Some of the episode was drawn out and boring with little action. The best part for me was the Oliver and Jimmy connection, and hopefully the end of the dreadful drug arc!
badraven
05-01-2009, 05:44 AM
I gave it a 9. A very good episode.
A lot of my take on this episode is banging around in my head and I can't seem to do it justice in words but I really liked this episode. I thought TW did a great job. He wasn't in the episode much (he is directing the next ep.) but he delivered when he was on screen. AM was fantastic. I for one like that TPTB are willing to take such a chance with Chole. She is making a huge mistake, and like a lot of people that do such things is too close to truly realise just how wrong they are. It takes guts to make a beloved characer make that bad of a choice.
On a side note I thought the Fortress scene was great. First Clark came up with the best available plan. A plan I might add that he had to work to make possible. Putting "Davis" in the Phantom Zone was the best option. It was too awesome when "Davis" said something to the effect that if he was going he would take Clark with him and came at Clark. Clark's reponse...go right at him. Kind of reminded me of the Achilles/Hector fight in Troy (the movie.) Great stuff. Plus the icing on the cake- that last scene with Clark and Chole. Man, powerfull stuff. I will say though I'm getting really tried of how they write Oliver. Why is it that his only mode with Clark seems to be talking down to him and chastising him for not doing enough? It getting old. Has he not been keeping up with the news about the Red-Blue Blur? Anyway...that's my take.
costas22
05-01-2009, 05:50 AM
Good episode but nothing too exciting for me. Hated that Chloe and Oliver tried to do Clark's thinking for him.
quietone
05-01-2009, 06:13 AM
5/10
Some good things but entirely too many bad things for me to really like this episode.
Things that stood out:
-Sorry but the Chlavis melodrama is sickening. What should have been a cool villain has been turned into a sloppy, annoying mess.
-Chloe: talk about character assassination. She's totally dead to me now.
-Clark looking indecisive and weak is overdone.
-Oliver lecturing Clark is tiresome however, there's some merit to what Oliver said.
Best moment: Oliver calling out Chloe on her incredibly stupid plan of hiding Davis in the basement.
Krypto_marcus
05-01-2009, 06:19 AM
I thought it was awesome too!
smallv17
05-01-2009, 06:41 AM
It was a nice episode but I have mixed feelings for it.
Things got out of hand for Chloe and I'm glad Clark was the one to be calm and resolved.
But Chloe started acting out of character towards the end..
I mean I understand that she hid Davis to protect Clark, but I found it unreasonable that she didn't want Clark to send him to the phantom zone because of Clark's future remorse. It doesn't make sense to me.
If she really wanted to serve the greater good she wouldn't have got in Clark's way and Davis would be in the PZ by now.
I liked the conflict between Clark and Oliver and Jimmy's bonding with him.
I give this a 7 because I didn't know if I should feel bad or sorry or angry at Chloe. I hope she sees the light soon.
Krypto_marcus
05-01-2009, 06:52 AM
Loved it, very dark and intense.
roccanater
05-01-2009, 06:52 AM
It was a great episode I thought!
Sarevokcz
05-01-2009, 06:57 AM
the Fortress scene was really bad for Chloe tbh.
She KNOWS, that Davis killed after his "death" in Eternal, Clark told her so, thus she cant really control him, even if she is with him.
From that, its clear for her, that Davis WILL transform into DD eventually and will go after Clark and most likely kill him.
She knew, that there is no cure for Davis, apart from her, as Dr. Hamilton said.
If she really cared about Clark and about this world more than about Davis, the moment she showed up in the fortress and Davis was weaker, she SHOULD have encourage Clark to throw him in there (Davis was weaker, he couldnt have take Clark with him at the moment) not stop Clark from throwing him in there, so she had to do it for Davis
Chloe is doing it more for Davis then for Clark imo, no matter how she tries to justify that, if she wanted to do sacrifice for the greater good, she could have sacrifice her love for Davis and his trust in her in the fortress if she encouraged Clark to go on. But no, she sacrificed her friendships with basically everyone else, for Davis and his love, which she knew she cant controll indefinately.
B.A.D. decisions from Chloe, V.E.R.Y. B.A.D, i cant see any way to get out of this if she survives, Oliver would no doubt try to put her in jail after what we saw in Beast, i really have a feeling she will sacrifice her life in finale in try to redeem herself.
that said, i still really enjoyed the episode, 9/10, -1 for really low Clark screentime.
skylar
05-01-2009, 07:12 AM
Pretty good episode it was better expected. Give an 8.
badraven
05-01-2009, 07:15 AM
I for one really liked this episode. A solid 'A' from me. One thing about this season is that TPTB aren't afraid to write a fan favorite character, Chole, so that it is hard to like what that character is doing. That takes guts (or stupidity depending on your point of view I guess.) I think this has been the best season for Chole. She has been center stage, hand in hand with Clark as the main storyline has advanced in this season. And I think AM has done a fantastic job. The depth that she was brought is amazing. We don't like what Chole is doing. She is making a series of huge mistakes. She started off with good intentions and now she is too deep in to get out, or so she thinks, and has decided as a result to go deeper in. Of course we don't like what Chole is doing...I don't think we are supposed to. To me it's been a great ride. But just like Clark...I'm not giving up on our girl Chole.
Chloe>All
05-01-2009, 07:25 AM
6. Not the best episode ever, but it had its moments.
Chloe was once my favorite character, but now I think she's my least favorite.
Just drop the druggie Jimmy storyline already!
Clark/DD fight could have been better, but I guess they have to save something for the finale.
My favorite character tonight was Oliver. It seemed like every time he spoke, he said exactly what I was thinking.
SupermanRox
05-01-2009, 07:31 AM
I gave it a 6. I think that Chloe interfering with Clark and Davis at the Fortress was just dumb.
A-MAZING!!!!!!! This episode was absolutely amazing!
Wirebiter
05-01-2009, 08:12 AM
I loved it. Chloe's plan of keeping Doomsday in the basement was working pretty well. Who has he killed besides the guy trying to kill Chloe since then? She was working with the doc trying to find a way to help Davis. Clark's decision to put him in the PZ wasn't well thought out imo. Chances are he would have taken Clark with him and then what. The PZ would end up making him stronger and then he would kill Clark and escape back to Earth. There's more in my head but I can't seem to write it in a way I think others could follow. I think Clark shouldn't give up on helping Davis so quickly and if he put him in the PZ he would always feel like he didn't do enough.
I just really liked the episode, can't wait to find out what that song was. Clark has got some serious feelings for Chloe. I wonder when he'll realize it?
amalie
05-01-2009, 08:13 AM
I loved it. Chloe's plan of keeping Doomsday in the basement was working pretty well. Who has he killed besides the guy trying to kill Chloe since then? She was working with the doc trying to find a way to help Davis. Clark's decision to put him in the PZ wasn't well thought out imo. Chances are he would have taken Clark with him and then what. The PZ would end up making him stronger and then he would kill Clark and escape back to Earth. There's more in my head but I can't seem to write it in a way I think others could follow. I think Clark shouldn't give up on helping Davis so quickly and if he put him in the PZ he would always feel like he didn't do enough.
I just really liked the episode, can't wait to find out what that song was. Clark has got some serious feelings for Chloe. I wonder when he'll realize it?
He was about to kill Oliver before Clark jumped in
Eeyore840
05-01-2009, 08:19 AM
He was about to kill Oliver before Clark jumped in
And if Jimmy hadn't broken into Chloe's house, and Clark hadn't told Oliver to babysit Chloe, Oliver and Jimmy wouldn't have had any contact with Davis because he would still be hiding in the basement. Remember, Davis went to investigate the break-in at Chloe's apartment. He Dooms out whenever Chloe is threatened. He's like a German Shepard that attacks when his owner is in danger.
stenochick
05-01-2009, 08:20 AM
I thought this was a solid episode all around and the music did not grate on me at all. I like the gothic Doomsday score they have going and the song at the beginning and the end set the tone as well.
Chloe is very believable to me. She really believes that it is morally wrong to throw Davis into the phantom zone for all eternity. She is able to see his soul, but this is her blind spot because Davis is not human or humanoid with a heart like Clark. He is a genetically engineering monster.
Chloe is smart enough to think of using black K to separate Davis from Doomsday only if she is even aware of it. Clark would have to be the one to remember the black K. I don't think Chloe has any knowledge of Lex/Alexander or Clark/Kal-el being split by black K. Without that option, Chloe cannot separate Davis from Doomsday and therefore will fight to keep Davis alive and out of the PZ even knowing that Doomsday will be kept alive as well.
Eeyore840
05-01-2009, 08:20 AM
I loved it. Chloe's plan of keeping Doomsday in the basement was working pretty well. Who has he killed besides the guy trying to kill Chloe since then? She was working with the doc trying to find a way to help Davis. Clark's decision to put him in the PZ wasn't well thought out imo. Chances are he would have taken Clark with him and then what. The PZ would end up making him stronger and then he would kill Clark and escape back to Earth.
Exactly! The only other person Davis killed was AJ, who attacked Chloe. Davis was protecting Chloe.
Also, the music is becoming intrusive, imo. It was so loud at the beginning that I had trouble hearing Davis' replies to Chloe while on the phone. Or in the rest of the scene, now that I think about it. And we don't need loud, ominous music to tell us that something bad is or is going to happen.
amalie
05-01-2009, 08:22 AM
And if Jimmy hadn't broken into Chloe's house, and Clark hadn't told Oliver to babysit Chloe, Oliver and Jimmy wouldn't have had any contact with Davis because he would still be hiding in the basement. Remember, Davis went to investigate the break-in at Chloe's apartment. He Dooms out whenever Chloe is threatened. He's like a German Shepard that attacks when his owner is in danger.
My point is, the plan wasn't woking that well. Jimmy and Oliver nearly died, I don't see what difference it makes why they were there in the first place. The plan didn't stop Davis being a threat.
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Exactly! The only other person Davis killed was AJ, who attacked Chloe. Davis was protecting Chloe.
In the case of Oliver and Jimmy, there was no threat to Chloe.
wingster55
05-01-2009, 08:25 AM
I for one really liked this episode. A solid 'A' from me. One thing about this season is that TPTB aren't afraid to write a fan favorite character, Chole, so that it is hard to like what that character is doing. That takes guts (or stupidity depending on your point of view I guess.) I think this has been the best season for Chole. She has been center stage, hand in hand with Clark as the main storyline has advanced in this season. And I think AM has done a fantastic job. The depth that she was brought is amazing. We don't like what Chole is doing. She is making a series of huge mistakes. She started off with good intentions and now she is too deep in to get out, or so she thinks, and has decided as a result to go deeper in. Of course we don't like what Chole is doing...I don't think we are supposed to. To me it's been a great ride. But just like Clark...I'm not giving up on our girl Chole.
Very well said.
wingster55
05-01-2009, 08:27 AM
Chloe wasn't there...that's why Davis was about to "Doom up".
Night_Hawk90
05-01-2009, 08:28 AM
i will agree that this episode was far better than last weeks, but in all honesty i can't stand this chlavis storyline its really messed up.
Eeyore840
05-01-2009, 08:28 AM
My point is, the plan wasn't woking that well. Jimmy and Oliver nearly died, I don't see what difference it makes why they were there in the first place. The plan didn't stop Davis being a threat.
In the case of Oliver and Jimmy, there was no threat to Chloe.
It makes a difference because while hiding in the basement, Davis was not actively roaming the streets vigilante killing. Only when AJ attacked Chloe did Davis kill. Oliver and Jimmy intruded upon Davis' "safe" place and again, Davis felt threatened.
It doesn't make killing okay. It only explains why it happens.
amalie
05-01-2009, 08:31 AM
It makes a difference because while hiding in the basement, Davis was not actively roaming the streets vigilante killing. Only when AJ attacked Chloe did Davis kill. Oliver and Jimmy intruded upon Davis' "safe" place and again, Davis felt threatened.
It doesn't make killing okay. It only explains why it happens.
I realise that but it also tells me that the plan didn't work. He was clearly still a threat.
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Chloe wasn't there...that's why Davis was about to "Doom up".
Yup , and that's the flaw in her plan. She can't possibly be with him constantly
ClubXerxes
05-01-2009, 08:32 AM
Wow - I guess I am one of the few who didn't really care much for this episode? There always have to be a few naysayers I suppose. Well, here are my reasons, for what they're worth:
Liked it because:
1) Chloe was sacrificing for Clark. She was trying to figure out a way to stop the beast with the help of Dr. Hamilton, all while keeping Davis out of the way. Since none of the others have a chance to stop him, and since Chloe seemed to be the only one who could control him, this was a gutsy move, and I could care less how the other "heroes" felt about it.
2) Clark finally showed some willingness to kick some tail...Finally!!! Clark smashing the file cabinet was cool - it was liberating and cathartic, in a way...I felt a great sense of relief when he did it...Also, I noticed something different about Clark when Davis tossed him into the rocks at the Fortress...instead of crawling around on the ground like a scared little girl, he got right up as if it was a mere inconvenience. It was purposeful, as if to say, "You can't hurt me that easily pal"...good stuff!
Disliked it because:
1) Puppy love is controlling the beast? How? Not only is this is never really explained, but it is ludicrous. Emil's line of reasoning regarding emotions controlling him notwithstanding, the whole idea is absurd. He is not bred to be anything but an enraged killing machine. I would rather see that he is being controlled by a latent power held by Chloe, rather than this ridiculous puppy love nonsense.
2) Oliver's character continues to plummet in terms of integrity. He cannot see what Chloe is trying to do? He consistently opts for the easy way out (kill). He is entering a dark phase, but his rage is not entirely explained away either. They have spent several episodes looking at how Clark handles his business vs. Oliver's "shoot first ask questions later" mentality, with Oliver supposedly seeing Clark's side of the hero business with more clarity. Now, he is not only reversing course, but doing it without his reason. It is almost as if he has regressed in terms of his maturity as a superhero. I'm not averse to killing to protect others, but Ollie is not even thinking about things. To be fair, Lex and Doomsday are two extreme examples, but Ollie should at least show he has not come to the conclusion to kill so easily.
Otherwise, how are we supposed to believe he is the leader of the JLA?
The only thing I can think of is that they need Oliver to be imperfect so that Clark can assume the role of a true founder for the JLA...one who will set the standard that is to be followed by all others. If that is the case, then I can agree...otherwise, we need to see some remorse in Oliver...something to show that he is conflicted about his present course.
3) Jimmy - where was the payoff for the nonsensical druggie arc? "You have great instincts Jimmy - here's a job"....that's it? That's all it takes to cover up a several week long arc where Jimmy's character descends into its darkest hours? One job offer, and he's off drugs?
Come on - that was a cop out, an easy out from a dreadful storyline. He is sitting there chained up and taunting Davis...to me, that shows a man who has given up on life, not someone with great instincts (what do his instincts tell him about taunting a planet killer while chained to a pole? Yeah - those are some great instincts Oliver)
They have him strung out, lying, cheating, stealing - all in one episode - then they have him brave, clean, sober and employed minutes later. Incredible...
4) Clark was at times mere windowdressing in this episode. I liked that he was more decisive about Doomie, but then he lets Chloe change his mind. Here comes the indecision once more. Of course, what would indecisive Clark be without another lecture by Oliver. Those are getting tiring...why you ask? Clark never responds...he just sits there and takes it. Ollie shouldn't be lecturing anyone at this point.
5) No Lois involvement in any of these storylines is just mind boggling, and I'm tired of it. It defies logic. She is a key factor in his life, and her absence is not even explained. We are then supposed to shoe horn her into the finale?? How is this even remotely believable?
I give it a 3.5...
Bizarrolover
05-01-2009, 08:37 AM
I can't say I disliked the episode, but I didn't love it, it was a bit slow and the Chlavis is really sickening me. I don't usually like doomed relationships, I don't find anything poetic about them, just people falling for the wrong person, making mistakes and holding on those mistakes until it's de death of them. I can't understand Chloe's fascination with Davis or why she chooses him above everyone else. I still think she's being controlled by brainiac, or some residual effect he has on her (after seing next week's trailer I'm even more convinced of that) so her decisions are not just about saving Clark or Davis. I really hated that she walks into the fortress as if she owns it (it made me loose my respect for Clark, for allowing it) and how she risked Jimmy's and Oliver's lives. I guess we'll have to wait and see, because they surely give us a dramatic, somehow logic explanation about her behavior, but in the meantime, they are giving us the Chlavis melodrama that I find extremely boring and unnecessary for the development of the story.
rainbowtrout
05-01-2009, 08:37 AM
Chloe is doing everything for Davis. C'mon, this has NOTHING to do with Clark, imo. She's infatuated and isn't thinking clearly. I hope we see Chloe torn in half...she is beyond irritating now.
She might be the most unlikeable character in the show's history. I wonder if that was the plan?
amalie
05-01-2009, 08:38 AM
I didn't dislike the episode I just disliked some of the characters decisions.
stenochick
05-01-2009, 08:40 AM
It makes a difference because while hiding in the basement, Davis was not actively roaming the streets vigilante killing. Only when AJ attacked Chloe did Davis kill. Oliver and Jimmy intruded upon Davis' "safe" place and again, Davis felt threatened.
It doesn't make killing okay. It only explains why it happens.
I agree. Chloe's plan works but she must remain with him at all times. She has to sacrifice herself in order to keep him from transforming into the beast. It is not a sustainable or realistic long-term plan, but it is all she has.
My only issue with Chloe is that she has convinced herself that she cannot confide in Clark. Perhaps because of his reaction in Prey to her work with the "krypto-perps" as he called them, she decided that Clark cannot be trusted with this situation.
But she now knows that Davis is Kryptonian and has been sent to kill Clark, so she really needs to give the situation over to Clark and get out of the way.
She does not see this because she is blinded by Davis' humanity and capacity to love and desire to be good. She is also way too smart for her own good and with all her heroics as Watchtower for the JL, probably has a distorted sense of her own mortality and shortcomings.
rainbowtrout
05-01-2009, 08:40 AM
And Oliver seems to be the only one who is thinking clearly and willing to do what needs to be done. I was never a big fan of that character or story before but he's the only guy talking common sense.
Eeyore840
05-01-2009, 08:43 AM
I agree. Chloe's plan works but she must remain with him at all times. She has to sacrifice herself in order to keep him from transforming into the beast. It is not a sustainable or realistic long-term plan, but it is all she has.
My only issue with Chloe is that she has convinced herself that she cannot confide in Clark. Perhaps because of his reaction in Prey to her work with the "krypto-perps" as he called them, she decided that Clark cannot be trusted with this situation.
But she now knows that Davis is Kryptonian and has been sent to kill Clark, so she really needs to give the situation over to Clark and get out of the way.
She does not see this because she is blinded by Davis' humanity and capacity to love and desire to be good. She is also way too smart for her own good and with all her heroics as Watchtower for the JL, probably has a distorted sense of her own mortality and shortcomings.
All true, but I think she is most blinded by her love for Clark.
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I realise that but it also tells me that the plan didn't work. He was clearly still a threat.
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Yup , and that's the flaw in her plan. She can't possibly be with him constantly
It's not meant to be a long-term plan.
I really like your avi, btw. Erica looks beautiful in that pic! :)
BadToad
05-01-2009, 08:46 AM
I thought it was awesome.
Well, thats great, but are people not allowed to disagree with you?
I totally understand why some people would think this episode was awesome, and I totally understand why some people would have huge problems with this episode and not care for it at all. It all depends on what you watch the show for, and what storyline elements most appeal to you. Sure, maybe it comes down to which character is featured most, as is so often the case with SV fandom.
I don't really care who wasn't in the episode. I watch for Clark. And I have very serious problems with the scenario they are forcing Clark into with this episode. I HATE other characters making decisions for Clark, and deciding they need to "protect" him like he's a drooling child. I don't much care for how much Chloe has been Lana-ized. I don't particularly like the overall tone of the storylines for Oliver or Jimmy.
And of course, there's always the issue of how much one enjoys all this dark, depressing, hopeless storyline direction. Personally, I've grown a bit weary of SV deciding a young Superman show should be all about darkness and despair, and Clark should always be responsible for everything bad (directly, or indirectly), and martyrdom is somehow a good thing, and "sexy".
So, bottom line, "whats with the hate..."? Some people simply did not like it. End of story. JMO
Maria1023
05-01-2009, 08:51 AM
I liked this episode far better than last weeks. At least this one is pushing the Doomsday story farther along. We only have a few more episodes to get to the showdown. I am LOVING Chloe's darker side and her decision to stay with "Tall, Dark, & Doomy" It is making it more interesting as a viewer to see which way this will go.
Drama means Drama, people....We just have to go along for the ride..
amalie
05-01-2009, 08:55 AM
All true, but I think she is most blinded by her love for Clark.
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It's not meant to be a long-term plan.
I really like your avi, btw. Erica looks beautiful in that pic! :)
And that's a big problem, what possible long term plan could there be? They're always going to be in the same situation no matter where they are.
Thank you, I have Lieslchen to thank for it :)
batfinx
05-01-2009, 08:56 AM
I gave it a 7. Chloe seems to love Davis despite pleas that she's doing it all for Clark. There was no good reason for her to prevent Clark from sending Davis to the Phantom Zone. Kara survived there without powers and so Davis certainly could. He made a conscious decision to kill Oliver and so it's time for him to be in the Phantom Zone because no matter how much Chloe loves the guy, she can't always be there to stop him from killing. If he kills one more person it's on Chloe's head too because she stopped him from being sent to the PZ.
Eeyore840
05-01-2009, 08:58 AM
And that's a big problem, what possible long term plan there could be? They're always going to be in the same situation no matter where they are.
Thank you, I have Lieslchen to thank for it :)
And that is the point, I think. ;) All paths lead to Clark vs.Doomsday.
You're welcome :)
Watching Smallville
05-01-2009, 09:09 AM
Sithius, I'm with you. I thought this was an amazing episode.
The opening dream was a capsule of everything to come. And Chloe dancing on this very dangerous tightrope, trying to protect Clark by calming Davis, was so heartbreaking. She loves Clark so much, she makes a truly selfless and tragic sacrifice.
Oliver is his usual smart, ruthless self. I love that character. Clark takes his usual stand that life is sacred. Davis is wonderfully conflicted. Everyone follows their heart, and it ends up in a major dramatic conflict among all the characters. Brilliant story telling.
My only sore point is Jimmy. I just don't buy him as a drug addict, but oh well. He's a wonderful actor. And I loved his line to Chloe "Stay away from that monster." It's all so complex. I really enjoyed it.
Watching Smallville
05-01-2009, 09:15 AM
One of my favorite episodes of the season. The acting in this episode was amazing. I love the complexity of everyone's actions and feelings. Great ep.
mfarhaniqbal33
05-01-2009, 09:21 AM
This is one of the best episodes this series had done by far. Identity being my top favorite this is also my favorite. This episode gave us a lot to work with, it gave us something we needed a stray of hope that we can finally say good bye to Chloe. This episode also gave us that yes there is a way to control Doomsday. This episode also gave us The Ollie we needed and adore. He spoke our words through out the episode which i loved about ollie. This Episode deserves nothing but a 10
GirlsInComics
05-01-2009, 09:25 AM
10. Awesome. I absolutely loved it. My favourite episode all year.
Even the characters I wanted to smack up the head (you, Ollie!) were good to watch.
THIS is why I love Smallville. Why can't they all be like this?
Chloe Bloome
05-01-2009, 09:26 AM
Great episode, I like Chloe soooooo much better than I used to. Yay for character depth!
SnowBird
05-01-2009, 09:37 AM
I gave it a 9...This was really a good episode which kept my attention. The actors did an amazing job...I'm excited for next week's "Injustice" with Tom Welling directing.
Fly by guy
05-01-2009, 09:38 AM
This Chloe episode finally proves there are Aliens in Smallville. Unfortunately I am referring to the writers not the characters. Three seasons ago I thought the lightswitch writing of Lana's love for Clark to her mysterious love for Lex could never be matched as the worst writing in "human" history for a theme show. Admitting once again, I was WRONG. It took an alien presence to come up with this drivel. Best buds for eight years and Chloe can't tell Clark she is helping Davis for Clark's benefit, beam my dumb a## up to the new Star Trek movie because we are all living a fantasy with this arc.
If Chloe truly wants to help Clark, inform him, talk to him, and don't lie to him. So much for Jimmy being the love of her life and Clark her best friend, all it took was an unstoppable killer for Chloe to go deaf dummmmmmb and blind. How "convenient" uh Church Lady?
FlashInSV
05-01-2009, 09:45 AM
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Recap of the previous episodes. Talon. AMAZING song playing in the background. Note to self: download it later. ;)Chloe gets a call and before you can say “Smallville” you have Chloe and Davis in the basement, and he’s got a whole romantic atmosphere planned out. If you can call spending time with the ultimate destroyer romantic, that is. So he went out to buy candles and stuff. Bad, disobedient <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comhttp://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/ /><st1:City w:st=</st1:City>Davis</ST1:p... He’s trying to convince her she’s his Juliet, the Beauty that corresponds to his Beasty self.<O:p</O:p
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I apologise to all the Chlavis fans out there, but I JUST DON’T FEEL it!! It gives me an ugly feeling in my gut everytime I see them together. I keep thinking how brilliantly awesome this song is...<O:p</O:p
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And then she sees the blood trail on the floor...Creepy music comes up... She’s really good at this. I’d love to see Allison Mack in a thriller. It’s like she was born to do this! Okay, show me who it is. It’s <ST1:pClark</ST1:p, isn’t it? I know it, I just -- OOOOOOO!!!! :eek: :eek: Great shades of Elvis, he’s TORN APART! Even a boat propeller would do a neater job! IT’S A NIGHTMARE!<O:p</O:p
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Clark and Chloe conversation. Clark thinks <ST1:p<st1:City w:st="on">Davis</st1:City></ST1:p isn’t dead, he provides reasonable arguments to back up his case and the best Chloe can come up with is “Maybe there’s a copycat killer” ... REALLY NOW?! :rolleyes: Say, wouldn’t that copycat need, oh, I dunno, SUPERPOWERS to rip them apart? In this show, you wouldn’t believe the number of alien life forms Earth is hosting... But, hey, what do I know, right, I’m just a fan!<O:p</O:p
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Last week I was confused on who was trying to protect, Clark or Davis. Now I am positive it’s <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:pDavis</ST1:p</st1:City>. So Chloe is trying to prove <ST1:pClark</ST1:p demented AND she’s calling him afraid, on top of it all! In the name of all that’s holy, Chloe, I thought you were on OUR side!<O:p</O:p
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Oh, well, hello Oliver! Now, why would anyone in their right minds hold a meeting in a club? Oh, because otherwise Jimmy wouldn’t be able to just walk right in. *nods head* :rolleyes: Yeah, that makes sense. He stooped THAT low? To ask Oliver for money for his fix?! And Ollie ain’t stupid, he sees right through him. That’s my boy! :D<O:p</O:p
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Uh, awkward question... Who the hell is THAT?! :confused: Why is Chloe spilling all of her and Oliver’s secrets to this goggled man?! Have I missed an episode? Completely irrelevant comment coming up: This close up view of Allison is VERY flattering. She looks fantastic. Okay, so I gather he’s some kind of Oliver’s confidante, a doctor perhaps? OKAY, he has strands of her hair? !!! Let me repeat that in case you didn’t grasp the seriousness of the matter: He. Has. Strands. Of. Her. Hair. <O:p</O:p
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He is in SERIOUS need of a shrink. That’s the most claustrophobic threat I’ve heard! So what, they need to be chained to each other from now on? This is so alarming. *chants: I’m losing my mind, I’m losing my mind* She’d do anything for him? :eek: She doesn’t really mean that, surely! THIS IS NUTS!! Her heart’s not in it, I can tell.<O:p</O:p
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Oh, the Oliver-Clark scene is brilliant. It’s genius. Inspired. I can almost feel the electricity, the conflict that slowly but steadily building its way up. Both intend to save the world, but in such different approaches. They are perfect. Too perfect for words.<O:p</O:p
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Okay, the unknown guy is Emil, a scientist for Oliver. I got that much. Oh wait! Emil Hamilton!?! Now I get it! He reveals the durability of Doomy’s cells. Then he talks about ‘intense emotions’ Love, hate, OBSESSION. Might I say ‘right on the money’? She’s the cure? *sighs* this is so messed up. Galactically messed up.<O:p</O:p
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How can Chloe talk about distrusting Brainiac when she is so blatantly lying to her best friend?! “Losing you is not good for the world” Color me confused. Again. Is she back to protecting <ST1:pClark</ST1:p? Has she been protecting him all the way?<O:p</O:p
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Oops! Awkward factor number 17. Oliver catches Jimmy red handed, literally with the hand in the cookie jar. BAM! They got ambushed by the beast. “Not to sound like a broken record, but it was Davis Bloome” :lol: I’m loving Jimmy right now.<O:p</O:p
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Sudden epiphany and Jimmy knows <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1:pDavis </ST1:p</st1:City>crashed the wedding. He’s displaying an amount of boldness I find alarming. Something bad’s gonna happen. Do not push your luck, boy. He’s right, you know, you better stop talking. OH MY GOD! He’s going to gouge his eyes out! Rip his head off his shoulders! OH I CAN’T WATCH!!! (Even though deep down, I want to!) ;)<O:p</O:p
*breathes in relief* Oh, thank god, oh, he let him go. If anything, Clark <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:pKent</ST1:p</st1:country-region> has the most impeccable timing. Ooh, this is the action part! *sits up excited*<O:p</O:p
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Wha-? Where’s the fight? Chloe’s in shock. Oliver is telling her off. This is my favourite scene so far. Very powerful, very emotional, absolutely perfect. Justin Hartley is outstanding! :D<O:p</O:p
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Finally the Fortress scene! Oh, it’s so good to see you again, oh beloved home of our Kryptonian. (Yeah, I like the Fortress, got a problem with it?:\) Spectacular scene – WHAT ON EARTH is Chloe doing there? Is she out of her wits?! Tom Welling has something that very much resembles a spitcurl! *Sigh* This speech Chloe’s giving makes NO SENSE. Seriously. If you think about it for more than 3 seconds, it makes no goddamn sense.<O:p</O:p
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I think it’s <ST1:pClark</ST1:p now the one who’s silently chanting I'm losing my mind, I’m losing my mind. HOLD ON! What just happened? Did they just...? No. NO, NO, HELL NO! They didn’t just transport themselves to PZ?! Did she use the key to port out?
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Oliver is making an attempt to get through Jimmy’s shell, but all I can think about right now is what happened to Chloe. Wait, did he just say he’s hiring him?
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Holy chocolate starfish, Batman. Are my eyes deceiving me? Do we finally see Clark <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1:pKent</ST1:p</st1:country-region> able to do his own research?! This is exciting.
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This phone call between Chloe and Clark is so intense. I take it all back. In some perverted, misdirected way, Chloe is still doing the ultimate sacrifice for him. I can’t believe it. I am blown away by how Supermanly Clark is during this scene and how selfless our good-old Chloe appears. “I’m going to spend every second looking for you” EPIC! :D<O:p</O:p
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All in all, it was a very well done episode, in my opinion. Tom Welling was fantastic, he blew me away in his Clark/Oliver and Clark/Chloe scenes. Justin Hartley was outstanding in his Oliver/Chloe scene. Allison Mack, as always, was brilliant and yay! for the character depth added to Chloe in this episode. This last season Chloe’s been sort of a crash test dummy for the writers. So not the Chloe we all knew and loved. But guess what, people, she’s back! I actually didn’t miss Erica Durance! (There’s a sentence I never thought I’d say) Aaron Ashmore dug deep into himself and pulled out some magnificent acting skills. He got better, no one can deny that! Sam Witner... remains the same. *shrugs*
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And three cheers for the brilliant songs at the beginning and end! At last, some music with lyrics after a very long time on the show!
I grant this episode a 9. It actually moved things forward, while at the same time delving deeper into the complicated personalities of Clark Kent, Chloe Sullivan and DD, all the while adding layers to Jimmy Olsen and Oliver Queen. What more can a fan ask? That's right, LOIS LANE! *wink*<O:p</O:p
salomeg313
05-01-2009, 09:47 AM
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i agree!! anybody know the name? :confused:
Cogito17
05-01-2009, 09:51 AM
I gave this episode a 9, only losing points because I was hoping for a little bit more from the first physical confrontation between Clark and Davis/Doomsday.
Here is why I thought this episode was very good: it raised an interesting question about justice. Say, for example, you have a homeless man whose circumstances force him to steal. Oliver is calling for harsh eye-for-an-eye punishment, Clark wants to serve justice without taking Oliver's harsh stance, Chloe is empathizing with the harsh circumstances of the homeless man.
All 3 characters; Clark, Chloe, and Oliver, have reasonable viewpoints in many people's opinions. Oliver believes they should kill DD, Clark wants to serve justice without killing, and Chloe seems to empathize with Davis' condition. So, who is right? All of them in a way, and that is what makes this episode very interesting in my opinion. Just look around the forums and you will see that there doesn't seem to be a clear consensus on who was right.
Clark discovered that Davis was alive on his own, and was on the path to taking (in my opinion) the most reasonable of the paths to justice. I have heard some criticism of Clark for allowing Chloe to stop him, but I think the way they handled it made it very believable. I don't see Clark as someone who takes punishing people lightly, especially with Davis who is somewhat of a tragic case. Chloe played on this, and caused Clark to hesitate because she knows Clark wants to see the good in people and save everyone. Clark was strong in this episode and decisive, he only hesitated when Chloe used one of his few weaknesses against him.
I thought Jimmy was great as well in this episode and he has really become a likeable character for me this season. His romance with Chloe kind of put me off at first, but this season he has managed to make me like him, this episode only continued that trend.
wmasoxfan
05-01-2009, 10:14 AM
I gave it a 6. It was no better than a 7. I did not like Chloe keeping Clark from sending Davis to the PZ. I really didn't like her telling Clark he couldn't live with himself for sending Davis to the PZ. I think it weakened Clark as a character once again.
All about Clark
05-01-2009, 10:34 AM
I gave this episode a 9, but maybe 9.5 was more accurate. Tom Welling was incredible as Clark and Clark was trying to do what was best, however Chloe guilted him into letting them go. Chloe knows how to work the guilt, she's seen it enough.
My problem with this episode is that Chloe went way to far and managed to be the problem. Chloe constantly lying and behaving badly was alot to take with this eppy. She cannot solve this problem, he is called DOOMSDAY for a reason. Her power to keep the monster at bay is temporary, yet she doesn't seem to get that, even after Hamilton explained it to her.
If she was so concerned for Clark's safety as she says, then when she got to the fortress, she should have convinced Doomy to go to the PZ without a fight. That Earth is not the place for him. It seems to me that Chloe is euphoric over this power she has to keep his monster at bay, that she's so important. I honestly cannot see how she can think this course is good.
But I guess they didn't want a quick end to DOOMY, and wanted him saved for the finale, but again, I think the writers disappointed us by bringing Chloe down to this level.
I loved everything else about this eppy and thought it was great.
tibbit78
05-01-2009, 10:36 AM
Well, thats great, but are people not allowed to disagree with you?
I totally understand why some people would think this episode was awesome, and I totally understand why some people would have huge problems with this episode and not care for it at all. It all depends on what you watch the show for, and what storyline elements most appeal to you. Sure, maybe it comes down to which character is featured most, as is so often the case with SV fandom.
I don't really care who wasn't in the episode. I watch for Clark. And I have very serious problems with the scenario they are forcing Clark into with this episode. I HATE other characters making decisions for Clark, and deciding they need to "protect" him like he's a drooling child. I don't much care for how much Chloe has been Lana-ized. I don't particularly like the overall tone of the storylines for Oliver or Jimmy.
And of course, there's always the issue of how much one enjoys all this dark, depressing, hopeless storyline direction. Personally, I've grown a bit weary of SV deciding a young Superman show should be all about darkness and despair, and Clark should always be responsible for everything bad (directly, or indirectly), and martyrdom is somehow a good thing, and "sexy".
So, bottom line, "whats with the hate..."? Some people simply did not like it. End of story. JMO
I agree with everything you said. I, too, watch the show for Clark only. I don't watch the show for Chloe, Lois or even Lana. I don't watch the show for Jimmy Olsen or Oliver Queen or Davis Bloome.
I just wish that Clark would hurry it up and become "Superman." I can't wait 'til he dons his cape and wears his tights. I can't wait to see him fly.
I did like Oliver Queen & Jimmy Olsen in this episode. As someone else has said, "The 3 Musketeers" (Clark, Oliver & Jimmy). I enjoyed Justin Hartley's lines & Aaron Ashmore's lines.
ArcAngel18944
05-01-2009, 10:50 AM
Sithius, I'm with you. I thought this was an amazing episode.
The opening dream was a capsule of everything to come. And Chloe dancing on this very dangerous tightrope, trying to protect Clark by calming Davis, was so heartbreaking. She loves Clark so much, she makes a truly selfless and tragic sacrifice.
Oliver is his usual smart, ruthless self. I love that character. Clark takes his usual stand that life is sacred. Davis is wonderfully conflicted. Everyone follows their heart, and it ends up in a major dramatic conflict among all the characters. Brilliant story telling.
My only sore point is Jimmy. I just don't buy him as a drug addict, but oh well. He's a wonderful actor. And I loved his line to Chloe "Stay away from that monster." It's all so complex. I really enjoyed it.
Ditto to all the above! Great to see everyone act like real, complex, multi-dimensional people.
emc3015
05-01-2009, 11:12 AM
Overall a good episode.
Krypton935
05-01-2009, 11:27 AM
10!!! This was a WONDERFUL episode!!!! I loved it! It definitely had me on edge and I absolutely LOVED the music during Davis scenes (ahhhh AHHHH) yeah.... But anyways I loved this ep! It has gotten me so dang pumped for the rest of the season!
Jack-El49
05-01-2009, 11:34 AM
This was a very solid episode and revealed quite a bit (IMO) regarding Chloe's motivations in the decisions she has made. I think it did well addressing some of the comments I've read about her plan and her motivations. I thought Justin Hartley did a great job in this episode, as did SW and AM. Even Aaron did a great job being in the basement with Davis and not being afraid of him. You had to feel a bit sorry for Jimmy when he told Davis to go ahead and kill him because he'd taken everything else important from him.
LuckyLois
05-01-2009, 11:49 AM
It was a pretty good episode. Some of it didn't make sense to me like why Chloe wouldn't let Clark send DD to the PZ? The only reason to me is that in spite of trying to save Clark, she does have feelings for Davis too.
TW was awesome. He is so close to becoming Superman, if the writers will let him, .....he's ready, stop having everyone save him, except Lois of course.
Oliver was good too, but AA as Jimmy was excellent! I don't really like this story arc, but Aaron is really nailing it!
Allison has always been one of my favorites so I expect great things from her, and she delivered, with the exception of her scene in the car with the dr. Why would she have to blurt out Oliver killed Lex Luthor? She seemed a bit off in that scene. Maybe she was thinking the same thing as me. I'll blame the writers then!
Sam was really good tonight. I especially liked when he showed his cocky side, but I just loved when Clark went after him, not afraid and so strong. Tom is hitting it out of the park for me.
Note to writer's: PLEASE LET CLARK BECOME SUPERMAN, WITH OR WITHOUT THE COSTUME, TOM WELLING CAN ROCK IT!!!!
gave it a 9.
BWOracle
05-01-2009, 12:06 PM
I ended up giving the episode an 8. Not the best but still very good.
One of the things I really liked was how all the characters facing Davis stayed consistent to their viewpoints expressed during the season (if not necessarily, over their entire existence on Smallville).
We have Oliver in Bulletproof and Requiem protecting everyone no matter the cost.
Jimmy in Turbulence going head to head with Davis (always with a crazy look in his eyes).
Clark in Legion preserving all life and trying to find a way to save the world without killing. He definitely came up with the best solution; trapping Davis/Doomsday in the Phantom Zone. I seriously doubt Clark would have had any sleepless nights because of it. I mean Jor-El and John Jones thought it fulfilled the need for justice.
And Chloe in Prey, trying to save the freaks even though they may be a danger to the world.
In the end I do believe Chloe is trying to protect Clark the best she can but she is deceiving herself as to her feelings for Davis. Maybe it’s not love but there is certainly lust or why else have the sexy dream about him.
I do feel sorry for Chloe. She has been put in a no win situation and is doing the best she can to work through it (even though we all know in the end it won’t have a happy ending). Her methods may be wrong but I believe her intentions aren’t.
BabyDee
05-01-2009, 12:24 PM
A solid 10 from me. Smallville hasn't been this great in a while, IMO. SW, TW, AM and AA all gave top notch performances, and the final Chlark phonecall was heartbreaking. Now that's what I call a romantic moment! :)
rosalba
05-01-2009, 12:30 PM
worst episode!
I felt like Chloe was Lana seriously!
It's like when Lana married lex to Protect Clark.
and God did she enjoyed protecting him.
hero`s passion
05-01-2009, 12:39 PM
good episode, dark, but still good:)))) I think it`s 9 for me: No Lois! (-1)
desertcoyote
05-01-2009, 12:43 PM
I gave this episode an 8. I liked the episode, but I couldn't stand Chloe's position.
All of the actors gave great performances, the music was pretty good and the fx was spot on.
Story wise, I want to force feed Chloe some common sense.
Rachel B
05-01-2009, 12:52 PM
Loved it. One of the best episodes of the season.
marcella
05-01-2009, 01:09 PM
I liked it, even if I'm not a big Chloe or Chlavis fan.
I wished Lois was there, to lighten up the mood, so I give 8/10
Kryppy
05-01-2009, 01:09 PM
I really liked the Clark, Davis, Chloe and Oliver aspects of the episode. How Clark handles it, how Oliver would handle it differently, and how Davis struggles with the beast inside. The scene at the end in Fortress was really good... But this is all just build up for Season Finale. So the Finale better live up to my hopes.
Vegas911
05-01-2009, 01:31 PM
I loved it!!! I loved the interaction between Chloe and Clark at the end...I really apprieciated the way that Clark handled himself when he learned about Chloe being dishonest with him....I loved Sam Witwer...but whats new???? All in all I thought that it was a great show....we need more epps like this one!!!!!
Lurchdaddy87
05-01-2009, 01:41 PM
I would go with a) and b), but say that there is alot left to be desired. I am a fan more of shows such as Lost or Battlestar Galactica, where romance drama takes a second seat to the actual storyline
I hear want your saying and yes some drama could be left out, but with the show on a Network geared towards Women the drama will stay in the show. Shows like Lost and Battlestar aren't really geared towards women, but they have enough drama and good looking male actors to grab a woman's attention and get her hook to turn in every week.
Joelito
05-01-2009, 01:41 PM
8, I like only Davis history..Chloe's still too much to say.
Jaderoyale
05-01-2009, 02:00 PM
WARNING - Extremley long review coming right up.
*sigh*
Thursday night is Smallville tiiiiiime. And tonight we have, Beast. Where apparently Chloe's Beauty and the Beast thing turns into a nightmare. Oh really? Because it wasn't a nightmare to have her harbouring a fugitive as it is? *raises eyebrows*
What i can gather for this episode is that Clark is going to find out that Davis is still alive and that Chloe, oh my best friend Chloe, has been harbouring him. And cooking him meals no doubt. Because thats what you do when you hid a serial killer in your basement obviously. I'm suprised Clark didn't cotton on properly at the end of Stiletto with that massive feast that Chloe was cooking. I didn't actually know Chloe could cook... seeing as they barely show food being consumed on the show.
I haven't watched ANY clips for this episode, or read any spoilers since... i really don't know. Oh actually i saw about 30 seconds of a supposed Clark/Oliver clip and wanted to put my fist through my screen. I'm still not happy with Oliver. What the heck are PS3 trying to do to him this season? *glares*
What do i need, tea, coffee or alcohol?
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Previously on...
Chloe watched on as AJ got dragged down into the basement and Davis went to confession. Tess got smacked around the face by red eyed Davis and Doomsday gave Jimmy one hell of a smack at the wedding. Jimmy was given his meds and told not to take more than 3 a day.. so he took 4. He realised Davis wasn't all he seemed and went to smack him across the head with a crowbar, only to be tazered from behind by his so called wife. Then he left her. Tess started ranting on about the saviour among them. Chloe made everyone happy by becoming Watchtower and doing something worthwile, then she ruined it by deciding to harbour Davis. Everyone has their inner demons.
And here we go. Chloe's getting into bed... with what can only be described as clubbing hair. Fair enough, wanting to feel good about herself when she goes to bed, i feel that. Phone rings. is it Davis? Yes it is. Chloe appears to be wearing some golden night dress... that is extremley long if you ask me. Davis had "another one". Do i want to know? So Chloe agrees to go down and see him. She has no fear of being eaten, because he won't eat her now will he? ((I LIKE THIS SONG)). Nice dressing down Chloe. Chloe picks up what can only be described as a rose petal from off the floor, which leads down the stairs. Theres Davis, looking rather... i don't know. I think hes got sex on his mind. Who knew Doomy was so romantic?
Chloe notices that there never candles or flowers down there, which means Davis left the basement; she sounds like an angry mother. Not supposed to leave the basement. I'm started to feel a little worried. This is going somewhere.... of course it is, Davis speaks that. Chloe is adament that theres nothing else. Davis calls back to how they met in Plastique. I remember that, nice to see the writers have too. Chloe goes to leave and Davis tells her to stay. I want to look away but i can't. And there we go. Chloe pushes Davis against the wall, how longs it been dear? I want to tear my eyes out of their sockets.
Just when it was a little TOO obvious what was going to happen there *shudders* Chloe notices a nice little smear of blood on the floor.
Davis; What did you think was going to happen?
Oh i know, thats why i almost tore my eyes out. Chloe follows the blood just as the music gets creepier.The music builds to a climax as Chloe pulls down the random sheet from the ceiling to reveal... Clarks torso! WHOA. Sweet lord. Is that the most graphic thing we have EVER had in Smallville?! Chloe jerks awake in her bed so it was all a dream. Does that matter? I've just seen Tom Welling without the bottom half of his body. I'm horrified. Though i cannot help but wondering, what did Clark taste like?
Opening credits. I always wonder, could they have actually picked a more perfect song for this show? I don't think they can. To this day, this song remains in my top 5 most played songs on itunes. You may think its sad, i think its magnificent. Considering everytime i listen to it i want to throw my arms out and sing like a mad woman. EVERY. TIME. *sigh* Oh look.... Justin Hartley with no top on. I wonder if he'll be fully clothed this episode.
Let us now move the opening scene, where Chloe is making coffee in the Talon. Is that place still open to the public? I can't remember the last time i saw a customer in there. She nearly drops her coffee when her phone rings and its Davis. She ignores the call, oh Chloe, its a bit late for that now isn't it? Clark appears behind her and asks her if shes okay. Course she is Clark. She's harbouring an ultimate destroyer in the basement, shes absolutely peachy. Chloe didn't get her full 7 hours of sleep, niether do i love.
Tess has named Davis the serial killer. That took a few episodes didn't it, what changed her mind in Offscreenville hmmmm? Chloe says headlines can't hurt Davis now that he's dead and Clark drops a bombshell. He thinks Davis is still alive. Chloe looks like he's kicked her in the stomach but mentions that they watched him die and that Oliver buried the body. NICE OLIVER. They found one of Brunos thugs in a dumpster... oh Chloe, you dumped him there *sigh* Chloe tries her best to throw Clark off the trail, stating that there could be a "copy cat killer".
Clark; Chloe, he's come back from the dead before
That's right Clark, you stick to your guns. Chloe lies, yet again and launches into a nice little talk about Davis. Claiming the only way hes alive is through fear in Clarks mind. I've just spat my coffee out. Purely thanks to this statement;
Chloe; Let him go
YOU LET HIM GO CHLOE. Honestly, he's in your basement. Your the one keeping him alive there. Jesus woman, of all the things to say you have to say that?!
Cheesey music and already i know we're going to the Ace of Clubs. Who is there? Non other than that Lex killing, Kryptonite ring stealer; Oliver Queen. Yes i'm still angry with him. Now, if Luthorcorp has merged with Queen Industries, surely they should change the name? Lutheencorp? Hahah, sorry. Oh look... Jimmy. Man. Oh Jimmy. He looks so, so terrible. He wants 600 bucks... He got let go from the Ace of Clubs. *sigh*
Oliver; That's why i'm pretty sure its not your car that needs the fix buddy
And Oliver knows. Good. He's been round him what, a minute and he can tell already? This please me. Jimmy gets with the paranoia and thinks Oliver thinks he's lying. Well Jimmy, you are. Apparently Oliver knows a place he can go to... rehab. Aw, he'll pay for the treatment. Thats sweet, i think i'm warming to Oliver again. Jimmys all with the denial and walks off, but Oliver, oh Oliver, says that if Jimmy needs someone to talk to, a friend, then hes that guy. Awwwww.
Oliver; But i'm not going to give you any money for drugs
RIGHT ON OLIVER. Don't feed his habit. Jimmy falters for a second before stating that he thought they could be friends, but if Oliver doesn't trust him then obviously not. He walks off, obviously to find some money for drugs and leaves Oliver standing there looking rather concerned. Really good scene from Justin and Aaron there.
Daytime, open street. Chloe in a car with... who is that? Is that Dr.Hamilton!? She's told him that she's got Davis in her basement. She says that Oliver can't be trusted and reveals that he killed Lex. Chloes on a bad path right now.... she wants a cure? Chloe, there is no cure. Hamilton wants Davis in person, but Chloe says thats not going to happen. Why not? He'll be fine as long as you're around him, you should know that by now? Hamilton says he'll run tests from the saliva, Chloe gets out the car and stands on the roadside when Davis magically pops up behind her. Looking rather reminscent of Jimmy. Chloe wants to know why Davis is out of the house, he says because nothing works.
Davis; I tried holding strands of your hair
Oh sweet heavens. So as well as being a killing machine and a mass murderer, Davis now steals hair from Chloes hairbrush and SNIFFS it? I can just see him looking through her room for hair to sniff. Davis says he can't be away from Chloe now and she should realise; she has made this worse. Being around him, making him become used to her being there has made the whole thing worse. I just want to shake her and tell her to wake the hell up and get away from him. But i can't because we're taken to the Talon.
Chloe shows Davis the Daily Planet article. Cornfield Killer. Why did that make me laugh? Davis of course becomes all sad and emo and blames himself, wondering what will happen if the cops find Chloe. Her reply? They leave. Yes Davis you can't ask her to run away with you, but sadly you're not asking, she is. *stares at Chloe in anger* Chloe, what are you doing? Davis says she can't say goodbye to anyone, not even Clark. Chloe seems to falter for a second at this 'unexpected' comment from Davis. He asks if hes the most important person in her life.
Chloe; Davis. I would do anything for you.
*resists urge to reach into TV and grab Chloe*. WHOS. SIDE. ARE. YOU. ON. Davis on the other hand looks like Christmas has come early. Chloe exhales in... relief? I dunno whether she expected him to go with it. Hmmm, dangerous path Chloe. Dangerous. This music freaks me out.
Back to Lutheencorp and what is Oliver looking at? Here pops Clark. Davis' body isn't there anymore.
Oliver; Your vision must be getting blurry.
Yes, he needs glasses doesn't he Oliver? Why did Oliver bury the body? This freaks me out. Something... clawed its way out. The music gets a little tenser as Clark and Oliver come to terms with Olivers revelation. Clark wants Oliver to get Chloe away. Clarks going to the FOS, but of course, Oliver knows how Clark can, "conquer the beast".
Oliver; Kick his ass Clark. Get this thing out of our lives, once and for all.
Clark; You want me to kill him?
No Clark, he NEEDS you to kill him apparently. Didn't you know that Oliver is all for senseless and irrational murder these days? Clark of course voices his opinion, its true Clark. You would be taking a life, we all know how you feel about that. But of course, you would be saving thousands. Thats Olivers motto, a life for safety.
Clark; Doomsday is my problem and i will handle it...
And he speeds off, leaving Oliver standing in the centre of the room alone. Looking rather angry. There there.
Isis? Yes, Isis. Chloes down to her last card. Okay... so she's playing Davis then? Chloe, you are confusing me immensley. She's talking to Hamilton... i'm going to call him Emil. Emil states that he tried to destroy a cell and it only got stronger. Yes, like Doomsday does. Chloe suggests bringing Davis to him but he says no. Can't say i blame you. She states that something is keepig him from transforming.
Emil Hamilton; Sometimes, dramatic changes to the body are caused by intense emotions. Love. Hate. Obssession?
Chloe has an epiphany and realises that Davis is one of those three with her. She then decides to threaten Emil, lovely Chloe. He's right now. Its all on her now, because she has this "power". Whoosh of wind and there appears Clark. The blue blue blur. Again Chloe lies to him. Clark says that Davis is alive and he needs to find him, Chloe again looks like someones kicked her in the stomach. Clark then does something that makes him just, wonderful. He found the Brainiac crystal at the FOS and is going to send Davis to the PZ. Yes!
Chloe looks mildly horrified and says Clark can't send him there. Yes he can, leave him. He's doing the right thing here. Chloe backtracks and says shes talking about Clark, worried that the portal will suck him in. I find this hard to believe. I can barely begin to explain the contradictions Chloe is putting herself through in this episode.
Clark is willing to take the risk of being pulled into the PZ to get rid of Davis. Yes Clark... Hang on. Chloe then gives Clark a false lead and wishes him "luck". *glares* How dare you. Clark nods at her in the most Supermanly way possible and speeds off.
Talon, again. In walks Oliver who hears some commotion upstairs. He walks up to find Jimmy stealing money from Chloe. Oh Jimmy. Its just a loan apparently. Damn i feel really sorry for him and then... WHOA. Oliver just got lobbed from behind by Davis. Jimmy sees Davis and looks utterly horrified, where Davis then proceeds to whack Jimmy across the head as well.
Oliver wakes, chained to a pillar in the basement, with Jimmy opposite him. Jimmy wakes up, hes fine Oliver. Oliver wants to know who did this to them.
Jimmy; Not to sound like a broken record, but it was Davis Bloome.
Heheh, that made me laugh, i don't know why exactly. Probably because of the whole jealousy ex husband thing that Oliver may think that Jimmy has going on. Olivers face is priceless, because he knows Davis is Doomsday. He looks like hes about to explode. They're in the basement and Oliver wonders what he's done with Chloe. Davis steps out of the shadows and says that he'd never hurt Chloe. Jimmy looks like he wants to launch and smack Davis. He's disbelieving that Chloe would save Davis, ah Jimmy, where have you been? Davis gets a little creepy and says Jimmy doesn't want to upset him right now. Oliver calls him Bridezilla and then it dawns on Jimmy that Davis is the beast. Now Jimmy knows. Davis then looks at him in the CREEPIEST way ever and his phone rings. Who is it? Well Chloe of course. When he says her name and says that he can feel himself chanding, Jimmy looks horrified and Oliver calls out for her to stay away. Davis says some 'guys' broke into her apartment. Chloe wants to know why he left the basement. Because he thought you were in danger of course. Chloe tells him to let them go and he says as soon as they're out of Smallville.
Jimmy looks angry and.... oh my. He's literally "egging" Davis on to turn into Doomsday. Jesus christ Jimmy. He doesn't even look remotely scared. In fact, he looks rather... well attractive. *blinks twice* Oliver tells Jimmy to chill out and he shouts no, standing himself up and blaming Davis for everything that has happened to him. Oliver tries to calm down Davis telling him that Chloes on her way home soon.
Davis; The only way i can control myself is if i kill one of you
Gah. This scene is so intense its unbelieveable. Oliver looks at Davis in utter.. is that understanding? I sure as hell hope it isn't.
Jimmy; Then kill me
What? No! Jimmy are you insane?! He will kill you. Oliver tells Jimmy its enough, but Jimmy carries on. Gosh... Davis tells him to stop. Can you hear the growling? Jimmy hits it below the belt and says Chloe could never love him. And then Davis launches himself at Jimmy. Oh my god. I can't look. No. I want to look. Jimmy doesn't even look remotely scared. Davis grabs Jimmys head and places his thumbs over his eyes. OH HE CANNOT DO THAT.
Oliver is desperately shouting his name and i want to as well. Davis' eyes glow red and hes almost there when;
Oliver; Chloes never going to forgive you for that
And Davis stops. But of course. Davis says Olivers right, that Jimmy means too much to Chloe. Jimmy simply laughs at him and Davis smacks him one across the face and turns round to Oliver.
Davis; It has to be you
*freaks out*
Davis psyches himself up before saying sorry and placing his arm around Olivers neck, ready to... snap his head off? I don't know. But how slow does Chloe drive?
Clark appears in the Talon, obviously back from his false lead and calls for Chloe. There is silence, only silence. He uses his superhearing and hears Oliver in the basement. And what does he do? He superspeeds himself down there, grabbing Davis and bashing him into something asking where Chloe is. Davis looks at him like a crazy sweaty stalker and says;
Davis; What are you going to do to me Clark?
And what does he do?! *waves arms around madly*
He grabs Davis, turns him round with a look of determination on his face, all in slow motion. AND SUPER SPEEDS THEM OUT OF THERE. Leaving Oliver looking on in amazement *claps madly* I LOVED that scene.
Main Talon and Chloe arrives after about 7 hours of driving. Jimmys pulled out of there on a stretcher. Theres Emil. Chloe says shes sorry to Jimmy, who opens his eyes and tells her to stay away from Davis. Oliver walks up behind Chloe and wants to know what the hell shes playing at. Chloe takes a leaf out of the old Clarks book and blames herself. Oliver looks at her in disgust.
Oliver; When'd you become one of the bad guys, huh?
Oh Oliver, i'd love to know that as well. Chloe says Davis needs her and goes to walk away, yet Oliver sidesteps her. Chloe tries to defend herself while Oliver basically says everything the majority of the fans (who don't agree with her harbouring Davis) have been saying since Eternal. Chloe says she had everything under control. Oliver disagrees.
Oliver; Speaking as Davis' next victim, i can tell you, your plan was seriously flawed
Yes Oliver. Oliver wants to know how she thought it was all going to end? So do i. Happily ever after? Not a shot. Oliver says she can't fix this and says Clark will take it from here. Chloe wants to know where Clark is.
Oliver; Well, he took Davis.... He's finally going to finish this,
Am i the only one who saw how... well how aroused, shall i say, Oliver seemed when he said that? Its like Clark has finally subcombed to exactly what he wanted. Chloe looks horrified, shes having an internal battle with herself.
FORTRESS. In speeds Clark and just throws Davis to the floor. Davis crowls and wishes Clark luck if he wants a throw down with him. My head is screaming FORESHADOWING right now. Clark didn't come looking for a fight, the fortress can help Davis. LIES! And i like it. Davis seems amazed that the fortress is all thats left. Davis doesn't want to go to a world without Chloe. The thought makes him angry. As it will. Clark tries to reason with Davis for Chloes actions. Oh Clark, you can't. Its too late to try and save what Chloe's done. Davis says that Chloe makes him human and Clark has NO expression what so ever. He goes and grabs the Brainiac crystal. YES CLARK. You grab it. Go on. He wants to know what happens when Chloe doesn't make Davis feel human. Davis says it won't happen.
Clark; I'm sorry Davis i was wrong, we're not brothers
Clark walks over to part of the fortress ready to put that crystal in. And Davis freaks out, superspeeding towards Clark (is that the first time hes done that?) and throwing him into a boulder. And Clark... well he just gets STRAIGHT BACK UP. Looking so like Superman i cannot contain my happiness. Clark says he doesn't want to hurt him, Davis says he can't. He walks straight up to Clark and Clark punches him without hesitation. Oh this my friends, this is a TASTER. Clark puts the crystal in and opens the PZ portal.
Davis; If i go... I'm taking you with me
Davis walks up to Clark, ready to take him in there with him. Just as hes about to grab his head he falters... the look on Clarks face is priceless. Davis falls to the floor and Clark turns round to see Chloe, holding the octagonal disc. She says she can't let him do this. ITS NOT YOUR CHOICE CHLOE. How dare she make him feel guilty about this. He made the RIGHT choice. Oh i'm getting angry now. How dare she. Of all the people to say that to him.. and hes just going to let her go!? Clark what the hell! Oh so thats how the key works...
Olivers office. In strides Jimmy, wanting to know if they have a lead on the beast. Oliver comments that maybe the beast Jimmy needs to fight is in his heart. Jimmy goes off on one and Oliver says he didn't call him for a lecture. He hands him a check... for his 'car'. Jimmy says no, he doesn't need Olivers handout. Oliver says its not a handout, its a paycheck. He's offering him a job it seems... okay i'm all for that, i'll Jimmy working for Oliver over the Ace of Clubs anyday, but i'd rather he was at the Daily Planet. Jimmys all with the sarcasm this episode. Oliver is praising Jimmy and this i like, he doesn't get enough of that. Oliver says exactly why Jimmy is a hero. Jimmy thinks theres a catch, but theres not. Oliver holds his hand out with the check... and Jimmy takes the opposite one. This scene was good. I'm hoping this means Jimmys kicked those drugs.
Isis. Clark looking for Chloe it seems. In walks Oliver. Clark looks well angry. And Olivers started with the guilt trip. Shut up Oliver.
"Oliver; Either that, or she just can't resist tall, dark and Doomsday,"
Oh that was a good one.
Clark is in complete denial at the moment and i understand this. This isn't the Chloe he knows, cept Oliver states that people change and Clark should to, saying he should have killed Davis when he had the chance. He walks off, giving Clark a hero ultimatum, whereas Clark looks like if he turned round he would literally rip Olivers head off. Oliver walks off leaving Clark, while the most depressing song in the world plays.
Clark looks at a convinently placed old photo of him and Chloe and i miss Smallville High. Let the Chlark talk start *sigh*
Clarks phone rings and its Chloe, phoning to say shes 'okay'. Her and Davis are gone but Clark says shes not safe, though she knows what shes doing apparently. Chloe says she does it all for him. Clark says she has feelings for Davis and is protecting him, Chloe disagrees and says shes protecting him.
Chloe; Clark, you're not here to save one person, you're here to save all of us
Finally. I agree with something that shes said this episide. Chloe says shes doing this to save Clark and i must admit, i'm getting emotional. Chloe puts the phone down on Clark after stating that saving the greater good is never a sacrifice. Clark says her name again and... smashes one of the cabinets! That was so attractive.
Davis comes out of the gas station and gives Chloe a chocolate heart and i want to be sick. They get into the car, and drive off...
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Right. Lets get this review cooking properly.
Firstly, characterwise. Very, VERY good this episode.
Clark, i can say i have never been so proud of him. He took it upon himself to decide what to do and was adament that what he was doing was the right thing. And it was. He wasn't killing Davis, he was sending him to the PZ. The way i see it, Davis would have transformed intp Doomsday in the PZ because there was no Chloe. Maybe Chloe was right in saying Clark would be condeming him to a life as that monster; maybe he that was wrong. But for Clark, he wasn't KILLING ANYONE. He was making the choice he thought was right and it really was.
Onto Chloe; To have her tell him that his choice was wrong was disgusting. Who is she to decide what he can and can't do with a monster? She's been hiding Davis from Clark, technically making him worse and more powerful the longer hes with her. The longer the beast is contained, the stronger it will be when it comes out and she should know that. Her actions in the episode were so confusing i was getting whiplash. It's hard to decide whether she was doing it because she cared for Davis, or for Clark. But the end scene, clarified that. It was all for Clark. She wants to save him for once, which everyone does i guess.
Davis, well, theres nothing much i can say about him. I think this episode is the last time we'll have a full episode of Davis in it, so i was trying to bask in it. Davis is constantly torn between right and wrong, but his obssession with Chloe does freak me out. I'm still undecided as to whether she feels the same. I think she does have feelings for him, but not THAT strong (she wouldn't have dreamt about him other wise), he does need to realise that while hes Davis and Doomsday, she won't feel for him the way he wants her to.
Jimmy. Oh, magnificent Jimmy. Finally. The writers are giving him SOMETHING GOOD. They're setting up his friendship with Oliver nicely and getting him off the drugs and i could NOT be happier about that if i tried. The way he just, took on Davis in the basement was amazing. He had absolutely no fear at all, which amazed me, considering he knows how Davis can kill him.
Oliver. Okay, so... i like him again. But not as much as i did before. I like that he's taken Jimmy under his wing and the talk he gave to Chloe was bloody great, someone needed to tell her that and he was the best person for it. HOWEVER, i still can't get on Olivers "its okay to kill if you save others" whole tirade hes got going on. Yes, i get hes a vigilante and technically Smallvilles answer to Batman. But does Batman ever kill? Or tell Clark to kill? *raises eyebrows* His last scene with Clark made me so angry i wanted to kick something. Oh and his top was on all episode. Thats the 2nd ever episode hes been fully clothed. EVER. Disappointed.
Acting wise. Again, another FANTASTIC turnout from our cast. They really don't get enough credit for how well they act. The chemistry between all the actors is phenominal. Tom Welling did great with all the scenes he had, ESPECIALLY the last scene between himself and Allison. They both did great in that scene.
Aaron Ashmore... well. This really is his season isn't it? First we get him knocking the ball right out of the park in Turbulence and now we get this. He was absolutely amazing in this episode and i want the writers to give him more chance to shine.
Sam is great as Davis, he really is. I cannot complain, he shows Davis pain truely and theres nothing better than that. And as much as i'm angry at Oliver, i cannot deny that Justin is not going a great job because he is. *raises hat to cast*
Best scene? I am torn. I really am. Between Davis/Oliver/Jimmy basement scene when Clark just burst in there and took charge. Or the FOS scene between Clark and Davis. Both scenes were absolutely amazing in my eyes. The FOS was giving us a little taster of whats to come in the finale and if its 10x better than that i will explode with joy, i really will. The basement scene, well that was just as TENSE as anything. I was amazed by how i wanted to look away but couldn't.
The directing; Mike Rohl. He seems to excel in the darker episodes, with his other good episode this season being Prey (and Bloodline, but that wasn't as dark as Prey and Beast). He directed the episode well and that to me is what made it so good. The scenes worked in the right way. In fact, the end scene between Oliver and Clark were there was no music, was fantastic. Very tense. Just the way i like them. Not to mention the song chosen for the opening scene and the end scene, was spot on.
The worst parts of the episode? For me, was Chloe coming to the FOS. Okay so yes, we're expecting this big battle between Clark and Doomsday, its inevitible, we know that. But to have Chloe interupt it was just dumb. She made Clark out to be in the wrong when he WASN'T. After seasons of people moaning at him, he finally took charge and did what HE KNEW WAS RIGHT. And at what cost? For Chloe, his so called best friend, to pop in and tell him he was wrong. *mutters under breath*
-Let me jus clarify something i realised; i don't know whether the writers have done this on purpose but het - i've said in this review that technically Chloe is making Davis stronger and why? Well. Her heart is laced with Kryptonite, that was mentioned in S7's Cure. Davis tried to kill himself with Kryptonite and it only made him stronger... so i'm just guessing, that Chloe really is making him stronger right now, considering the kryptonite is still in her heart -
If Clark had sent Davis to the PZ he would have found a way out for heavens sake, hes Doomsday, Keeping him in the real world is only making things worse for everyone. The choices made in this episode are going to shape those of the next episode and the finale. In a way i cannot wait, but at the same time i'm worried. Everything and the characters have become unpredictable and i have no idea what to make of where this is all going.
I had low expectations when watching this episode and though Chloe barging into the FOS scene irked me, i'm giving it 8.5/10. So interpret that as an 8.
Next week; Injustice. Which i won't get to watch till Sunday because i'll be stumbling round my University leavers ball drunk. Oh happy days.
JorEl23
05-01-2009, 02:33 PM
Poor episode in general.
Always a fan of Clark using his abilities and the mythos (Fortress, etc) and Oliver and Jimmy's part in the episode was solid but two things were major disappointments:
1) Very weak CK vs Dooms action. I realize they don't want to take away from the finale but I expected much better than a superspeed grab and a few throws. It was like a fight in elementary school where two kids face off and push each other once or twice and the teacher (in this case Chloe) breaks it up before a single punch is thrown.
2) The worst part- in a word Chloe. Sorry, I just can't buy the "I'm protecting you like I always have Clark" routine. I have hated Chloe at times (Seasons 1-3 1/2) when all she did was pine and whine over Clark and/or Lana. I have loved Chloe (pretty much all of the following seasons) when she accepted and embraced her friendship with Clark and became an invaluable confidant, helpful friend, motivator, etc. But regardless of how I felt I always respected her for her intelligence, resourcefulness, loyalty (except that Lionel arc), and being responsible until last night. She's lived through Zod, Brainiac and Bizzaro's path of destruction and has seen first hand what Davis will become and yet she won't let Clark put him out of commission?!?!? "You'd never be able to live with yourself" if you (essentially) put him in jail (PZ is just a dimensional prison right?)?? Funny, when Zod was wreaking havoc in Metropolis and Chloe was dodging cars she had no problem with Clark sending someone to the Phantom Zone. She was willing herself to watch him die in a kryptonite cage a few episodes ago. It's a load of crap, irresponsible to humanity, and a major f-u to Clark in my opinion and it really made me dislike this episode.
Kevin24
05-01-2009, 03:52 PM
I really enjoyed this episode and it raised alot of questions of right and wrong. It really left me thinking about what I would do in the same situation if I was Chloe, Oliver, or Clark.
I am siding with Clark and believe that Davis even though he is being contained by Chloe is still a big threat and in my opinion an even better threat to Clark then Doomsday is. Reason for that is because Davis can manipulate Clark by using his weakness against him. Clark doesn't want to hurt him and Davis knows this but Doomsday doesn't.
Chloe definitely got on my nerves until the last scene when I started to understand where she was coming from. I still don't agree with most of what she did but I understand why she did it.
Clark was awesome as usual and Oliver is a jerk.
10/10
amalie
05-01-2009, 03:55 PM
WARNING - Extremley long review coming right up.
Great review Jade :D
saltyweeks
05-01-2009, 04:12 PM
I must kill one of you, says Davis Bloom in the basement of the Talon, looking from Oliver Queen to Jimmy Olsen. It’s the only way to control the beast inside.
“Kill me,” says Jimmy, far more angry than brave. “All that’s left is scar tissue.”
He could have been talking about them all.
Smallville’s “Beast” is a character driven gem of an episode about wounded people lashing out at each other, and taking blind stabs at doing the right thing in a world that’s gone completely off-track for them. One by one they throw their mistakes, their deceptions, and their natures at each other, piling onto the scar tissue with fresh wounds. At the heart of the drama: a woman whom every male character is sure he can explain, despite the fact that none of them seem to really know her at all.
Super-powered beings face up against each other. Champions debate life and death. Testosterone-saturated fights about human nature. And, in the end, with a world in peril and the ultimate destroyer loose, what are all these heroes and villains fighting over?
Why, the GIRL silly. Platitudes about saving the world aren’t half as moving as those wounded, puppy-dog eyes Clark Kent turns on Chloe Sullivan when he considers that she might be giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Chloe is the victim of a full onslaught Madonna-whore complex coming at her from all sides, as every guy has come to believe that his vision of her is the true one, and that every act of individualism on her part is a betrayal. Trying somehow to navigate through it, and save the world if she can last the day, Chloe is one wreck of a damned fine woman. The effort she’s using to force up those fake smiles now is taxing enough so that she barely tries to stop the tears.
They’re so close to her…and yet, none of them have it right. Clark, the most honest and least self-aware of the Smallville guys, isn’t even content that he come first to Chloe. For her to have FEELINGS for Davis is to commit a sin. Oliver, more jaded but no less disappointed, tells him “the Chloe you’re talking about doesn’t exist.” True, although the Chloe that Oliver’s talking about doesn’t exist either. Jimmy and Davis take turns hurling taunts at each other about Chloe’s true feelings. The wounds for the fellas are real, but the Chloe they’re both throwing up on the pedestal is as MIA as the one Clark’s trying to save.
Luckily, we get to see all sides. Writer Genevieve Sparling lets Chloe stay true to herself, for which I was grateful. There was a time in the episode I was worried they’d take her to the edge and let her off. Smallville has done that before. But no, what we get is the real Chloe: so wounded, so flawed, so lost, and…still…so damned decisive. The fate of the world? She’ll put it on her shoulder with her bag. Stand by her man? Take a number, cowboy. Give this girl the world's ultimate destroyer and she’ll plan you a road trip.
But the pain of keeping it together, and of never measuring up in the eyes of these men, is telling. Oliver asks her when she became one of the bad guys. She can’t be bothered to blink. She’s saving her emotions for the moments that matter now. This could be the death of Chloe, but if so, she’s going down fighting.
The final scenes are the most heartbreakingly in-character of them all. Even on the run, harboring Doomsday, Chloe calls in. Clark’s puppy dog eyes practically leap out through the phone. Davis gives her a chocolate heart, and she summons up one last forced smile. It’s enough for him, for now.
“Let’s disappear,” she says to him. Sadly I fear, beneath all the scar tissue, Chloe Sullivan is already gone.
rajman
05-01-2009, 04:14 PM
its a 9 from me, a slightly serious episode which i enjoyed :)
It was great! The ending made me cry!
babyluthor
05-01-2009, 04:52 PM
Didn't like this episode at all. I don't like the way this season is going. They really need to get this whole Doomsday situation over with.
Clark was barely in this episode. No Lois either. I don't know what the writers are thinking with Chloe's character. This whole hanging out with Davis to keep him from killing people is stupid. And not only that, she lies to Clark about it? Is this even part of the mythos, that Doomsday stays human if he is around a woman he likes? I don't think so.
Hope the last episodes of the season are better.
SuperFan66
05-01-2009, 04:53 PM
I gave it a seven because it wasn't the worst or the best. I loved when Clark smashed the file cabinet. Davis had one corny line I can't remember it. I'll have to watch it again to hear it but it was soooooooooooooooooo corny!!! Missed seeing Lois she's easy to watch.
reobeem
05-01-2009, 04:53 PM
It would seem things are getting worse everyone. I don't know who to feel sorry for.
Jimmy seems to hit rock bottom but things look better. I'm happy that everyone knows he was right about Davis. I really thought he was just a druggie but it seems to be more than that. When Oliver offered him the job I think it redeemed his character.
Oliver has been acting strange since Lex's death. I might just have to do with the fact that Doomsday has been causeing trouble and that Lex made it difficult for the League to operate.
After everything Chloe has been through you think she would pull a Pete and leave Smallville but instead she pulls a Lana and does what she thinks is right even if it's not.
Clark and Davis seem to have it the worst. One of them has to die and at least Davis could have been sent to the Phantom Zone had it not been for Chloe. I still wish there was a way to seperate Davis and Doomsday so everyone wins.
It seems to be the darkest just before dawn so lets hope the last 2 episodes do well. The preview looks good and I can't wait.
La Donna
05-01-2009, 04:54 PM
Wow - I guess I am one of the few who didn't really care much for this episode? There always have to be a few naysayers I suppose. Well, here are my reasons, for what they're worth:
Liked it because:
1) Chloe was sacrificing for Clark. She was trying to figure out a way to stop the beast with the help of Dr. Hamilton, all while keeping Davis out of the way. Since none of the others have a chance to stop him, and since Chloe seemed to be the only one who could control him, this was a gutsy move, and I could care less how the other "heroes" felt about it.
2) Clark finally showed some willingness to kick some tail...Finally!!! Clark smashing the file cabinet was cool - it was liberating and cathartic, in a way...I felt a great sense of relief when he did it...Also, I noticed something different about Clark when Davis tossed him into the rocks at the Fortress...instead of crawling around on the ground like a scared little girl, he got right up as if it was a mere inconvenience. It was purposeful, as if to say, "You can't hurt me that easily pal"...good stuff!
Disliked it because:
1) Puppy love is controlling the beast? How? Not only is this is never really explained, but it is ludicrous. Emil's line of reasoning regarding emotions controlling him notwithstanding, the whole idea is absurd. He is not bred to be anything but an enraged killing machine. I would rather see that he is being controlled by a latent power held by Chloe, rather than this ridiculous puppy love nonsense.
2) Oliver's character continues to plummet in terms of integrity. He cannot see what Chloe is trying to do? He consistently opts for the easy way out (kill). He is entering a dark phase, but his rage is not entirely explained away either. They have spent several episodes looking at how Clark handles his business vs. Oliver's "shoot first ask questions later" mentality, with Oliver supposedly seeing Clark's side of the hero business with more clarity. Now, he is not only reversing course, but doing it without his reason. It is almost as if he has regressed in terms of his maturity as a superhero. I'm not averse to killing to protect others, but Ollie is not even thinking about things. To be fair, Lex and Doomsday are two extreme examples, but Ollie should at least show he has not come to the conclusion to kill so easily.
Otherwise, how are we supposed to believe he is the leader of the JLA?
The only thing I can think of is that they need Oliver to be imperfect so that Clark can assume the role of a true founder for the JLA...one who will set the standard that is to be followed by all others. If that is the case, then I can agree...otherwise, we need to see some remorse in Oliver...something to show that he is conflicted about his present course.
3) Jimmy - where was the payoff for the nonsensical druggie arc? "You have great instincts Jimmy - here's a job"....that's it? That's all it takes to cover up a several week long arc where Jimmy's character descends into its darkest hours? One job offer, and he's off drugs?
Come on - that was a cop out, an easy out from a dreadful storyline. He is sitting there chained up and taunting Davis...to me, that shows a man who has given up on life, not someone with great instincts (what do his instincts tell him about taunting a planet killer while chained to a pole? Yeah - those are some great instincts Oliver)
They have him strung out, lying, cheating, stealing - all in one episode - then they have him brave, clean, sober and employed minutes later. Incredible...
4) Clark was at times mere windowdressing in this episode. I liked that he was more decisive about Doomie, but then he lets Chloe change his mind. Here comes the indecision once more. Of course, what would indecisive Clark be without another lecture by Oliver. Those are getting tiring...why you ask? Clark never responds...he just sits there and takes it. Ollie shouldn't be lecturing anyone at this point.
5) No Lois involvement in any of these storylines is just mind boggling, and I'm tired of it. It defies logic. She is a key factor in his life, and her absence is not even explained. We are then supposed to shoe horn her into the finale?? How is this even remotely believable?
I give it a 3.5...
Excellent post. It's funny because I gave the episode a much higher number than you, but I agree with just about everything in your post.
TayLaneBloom
05-01-2009, 05:06 PM
the scene with the half-body Clark was horrible. really unnecessary!
all episodes focused in Doomsday has a discusting scene.... damn... hate that.
Kid Collins
05-01-2009, 05:18 PM
Definitely one of the best eps of the season!
Great scenes stand out like Clark and Davis in the FOS, Jimmy taunting Davis in the Talon basement and the end phone call scene between Clark and Chloe!
The actors brought their A game in this ep!
My only complaint is that for drama's sake, Chloe's motivation for hiding Davis was deliberately ambigious until her conversation with Clark at the end. It should've been hinted more that Chloe's first priority was to protect Clark. Instead I was wondering why she was lying upfront to Clark and it was annoying. It wasn't made clear from the beginning because TPTB wanted that surprise relevation at the very end of the ep. Gotcha. :rolleyes:
Other than that this ep was terrific. I gave it a 9.
actaeon
05-01-2009, 05:47 PM
Great episode-- fine writing. The scene in the Talon basement, with Davis holding Jimmy and Ollie, was one of the best scenes ever. Jimmy was phenomenal, and AA really outdid himself. This guy is shaping up as the best actor in the show. I really felt his despair-- "just kill me", "nothing left but scar tissue". OMG that was fine!
The opening dream sequence was just... bizarre! Imaginative, bold, even shocking. I loved the bit where the red drop on the floor-- blood-- transforms into a rose petal. What is going on with Chloe!!? The girl has become one twisted piece of string. Gut-wrenching!
I've got to say I agree with Ollie. Chloe is on the side of the bad guys now, I don't care what her (very confused) intentions may be. I can't believe she stopped Clark from hurling Dooms into the Phantom Zone! That was probably the one good chance the good guys have of stopping this homicidal maniac's reign of terror. Whatever horrific things happen down the road, Chloe bears the responsibility.
I also agree with Ollie in his assessment of Clark. It's easy to pretend there is good in everyone, but being a hero does mean making the hard choices. Clark is afraid to make those hard choices. Clark is morally weak. You tell him, Ollie!
Sue Denim
05-01-2009, 06:28 PM
My only complaint is that for drama's sake, Chloe's motivation for hiding Davis was deliberately ambigious until her conversation with Clark at the end. It should've been hinted more that Chloe's first priority was to protect Clark. Instead I was wondering why she was lying upfront to Clark and it was annoying. It wasn't made clear from the beginning because TPTB wanted that surprise relevation at the very end of the ep. Gotcha. :rolleyes:
I can see how this would be ambiguous had I missed the nightmare Chloe had. When she find Clark dead with the S on his chest, it was such a call back to "Pilot" I instantly knew she was fearful for Clark. It explained every move she made in the entire episode save perhaps the lecture about how the PZ is hell to Clark.
Pantalaimon
05-01-2009, 07:22 PM
9 Great episode. One of those episodes for which I can't really say what was particularly good, but everything came together amazingly well. It just felt good.
diinIN
05-01-2009, 07:52 PM
Thought it was great! I gave it a 9. It was clear to me from the beginning that Chloe's only motivation for doing this was to protect Clark. It's kind of sad that her friends so misread her motivations.
Without fail, this season, all the episodes with Doomsday in them have been excellent. So glad this show got a 9th season!
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