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Melekith
04-27-2009, 08:27 PM
What started off fairly good, turned into the worst Heroes season finale to date. I have to admit, that I did not see this coming...but now that I just saw it play out...I really don't know what to say. Once again, the show has left me with a whole bunch more questions than it provided answers to.

What I gathered, [and what I think of it]:

1. Peter now has all of the abilities that Sylar did (does), and assuming that his character will not change, then this is only temporary until he touches another person. [It was never actually explained whether Peter has to focus on stealing someone's powers. I have always assumed no because the volume 4 premier showed Peter snatch his first power from Tracy, and Peter seemed like he had no idea how he did it].

2. Matt Parkman is, officially, the MOST powerful person on this show. [Even if his power only holds Sylar-as-Nathan for six weeks...that's rediculoulsy impressive].

3. Angela Petrelli and Noah Bennet are now heading a re-vamped "Company". [This is where this episode really wrecked itself in my opinion. The events that have occured have COMPLETELY dis-credited the events from the past two episodes. The purpose of a "company" has always been to work in secret, and for Angela to claim that this cannot be done without Nathan is ironic to me. I understand the impact that Nathan could provide by swaying the President's actions...but still...the man just DIED...for christ sake go to his funeral, band together with your family, and create a plan].

4. The original shapeshifter was being burned (as Sylar) at the end. [Not really a big deal...but for Peter, Claire, Mohinder, Hiro, and Ando...they all think this was THE Sylar. What a horrible way to end this volume].

5. What happens to Danko is unknown at this point. [Also not really a big deal, but it definitely allows the character to return. This will be interesting].

6. Sylar killed Nathan. [Proabably the biggest part of this episode. Well-crafted, well-driven, and well-plotted...until Sylar becomes Nathan via the Parkman whammy. This show was in DESPERATE need for a hero to die...as it would provide motivation and substance for those heroes still remaining. Having Sylar play Nathan for what will most likely be the majority of volume 5 is the most retarded thing that this show has ever done...to the point where I may not be watching anymore. Why? Because once Sylar figures it out, and breaks loose (and he will)...we will then, at that exact moment, be where we should have been in the last few minutes of this episode].

There are, effectively, a few different scenarios that can play out for volume 5. What really baffles me, and I mean REALLY baffles me...is why Nathan couldn't have just been given an injection of Claire's blood. Anyone? Anyone at all? If it brought HRG back from a 9mm to the eye socket...it can bring Nathan back from his throat being cut. The worst part about this...is that over half of those characters involved in this "event" know that Claire's blood that do this! So let's say that this is actually what happens...then WTFWTHOMGLOLLYCAKES why did Angela order Matt to transform Sylar into Nathan?

That means that once Sylar-as-Nathan breaks loose....we're going to have volume 3 ALL OVER AGAIN as nobody is going to trust Angela.

Alexander III
04-27-2009, 08:29 PM
4. The original shapeshifter was being burned (as Sylar) at the end. [Not really a big deal...but for Peter, Claire, Mohinder, Hiro, and Ando...they all think this was THE Sylar. What a horrible way to end this volume].

HORRIBLE JUST HORRIBLE!!

haydenclaireheroes
04-27-2009, 08:32 PM
they always need fire to end a volume

Level5
04-27-2009, 08:33 PM
There are, effectively, a few different scenarios that can play out for volume 5. What really baffles me, and I mean REALLY baffles me...is why Nathan couldn't have just been given an injection of Claire's blood. Anyone? Anyone at all? If it brought HRG back from a 9mm to the eye socket...it can bring Nathan back from his throat being cut. The worst part about this...is that over half of those characters involved in this "event" know that Claire's blood that do this! So let's say that this is actually what happens...then WTFWTHOMGLOLLYCAKES why did Angela order Matt to transform Sylar into Nathan?

I agree with this. Why didn't they just inject him with Claire's blood?

CompanyMan
04-27-2009, 08:35 PM
they always need fire to end a volume

Volumes one and two did not end with a fire. Volume one ended with Hiro going back in time to fuedal Japan, volume two ended with Nathan being shot.

pycer
04-27-2009, 08:35 PM
1. Peter now has all of the abilities that Sylar did (does), and assuming that his character will not change, then this is only temporary until he touches another person. [It was never actually explained whether Peter has to focus on stealing someone's powers. I have always assumed no because the volume 4 premier showed Peter snatch his first power from Tracy, and Peter seemed like he had no idea how he did it].


Nope, Peter only took the shapeshifting power. As evidenced by the fact he did not heal, could no longer fly (as sylar could now) and actually said to sylar 'Bet you didnt think I took that one'. And yes, though he did accidentally take the freezing power in the fight on the plane, he has shown since then he has to concentrate and willingly take a new power, like when he took Nathan's power again while holding him hostage and this episode in the taking of the shapeshifting power

superjjf
04-27-2009, 08:40 PM
What happened to Sylar though whan Peter touched him?

pycer
04-27-2009, 08:42 PM
What happened to Sylar though whan Peter touched him?

Perhaps he thought it tickled? What was supposed to happen to him?

Melekith
04-27-2009, 08:55 PM
Nope, Peter only took the shapeshifting power. As evidenced by the fact he did not heal, could no longer fly (as sylar could now) and actually said to sylar 'Bet you didnt think I took that one'. And yes, though he did accidentally take the freezing power in the fight on the plane, he has shown since then he has to concentrate and willingly take a new power, like when he took Nathan's power again while holding him hostage and this episode in the taking of the shapeshifting powerAhh ok. Yeah that makes much more sense to me now. Peter can only absorb one abilitiy at a time (and he can now pick-and-choose) should he come into contact with a multiple-ability individual.

So the writers actually gave Peter complete continuity this season, and for that I applaud them. Angela re-gaining her strength in '1961', coupled with her increasing motivations to re-build her family were entirely dis-creditied by her rash decision involving Sylar.

And again, I have to bring this point up...but since we saw Sylar-as-Nathan 6 weeks later, I have to believe that the real Nathan is dead for good, but that's the worst part about the finale to me...because it ended with all of the true heroes watching the fake Sylar burn, as if we're supposed to mourn? Gimmie a break...

Lilah
04-27-2009, 11:58 PM
I agree with you. This show really bites!

targis
04-28-2009, 04:09 AM
Ahh ok. Yeah that makes much more sense to me now. Peter can only absorb one abilitiy at a time (and he can now pick-and-choose) should he come into contact with a multiple-ability individual.



What does he somehow know every power that person has? Why didn't he take mimicry from Sylar and take all his powers.

the highlander
04-28-2009, 05:23 AM
They were mourning the threat that it posed to them.

sleo
04-28-2009, 09:21 AM
Peter get only shapeshifting from Sylar...It seems that most of you people didn't give such emphasis on the last scene of this volume: the fake Sylar body burning. In this scene peter had scars in his face. So he choosed to absorb that ability. As for Nathan's death and Claire's blood it's pretty obvious that HRG WAS dead when he was injected with Claire's blood. It's more obvious that the show regreted about that and are just ignoring it. I have to say that I agree with them because then nobody would die.
P.S. First post in this forum

Dpyro
04-28-2009, 05:15 PM
i am soooo disappointed in this season finale i expected sooo much but got so little they didnt set volume 5 up the right way they shouldve introduced a brand new villain or brought back an old one and give some more cliffhangers like have hiro in the hospital or peter slicking his hair back give me somethingggg and this whole sylar being nathan thing how long is that going to last 5 maybe 7 episodes until that gets boring and sylar comes back and then nathan will be permanently gonee

magickal
04-28-2009, 07:54 PM
The whole "Sythan" idea doesn't really seem that far out an idea for Angela and HRG if you ignore the "Claire's blood can raise the dead" idea, which to me was far more lame. Having Claire's blood be a miracle cure was a horrible idea and I can gladly except the Sythan idiocy as the lesser of two evils.

targis
04-28-2009, 08:04 PM
Maybe Claire's blood could be a substitute for the catalyst.

Lets say someone gets injected with the formula that Mohinder took the first time and then they are injected with some of Claire's blood it would have the same outcome as the formula that Peter took.

lewisjl481
04-30-2009, 10:37 AM
I registered to comment on Nathan's death. Do you think it is possible the writers cut his throat so he would bleed out and be unable to heal from Claire's blood?

targis
04-30-2009, 02:00 PM
I registered to comment on Nathan's death. Do you think it is possible the writers cut his throat so he would bleed out and be unable to heal from Claire's blood?


I don't think it would have made a difference. They didn't even have her try

RedPhoenix23
04-30-2009, 11:57 PM
I don't think it would have made a difference. They didn't even have her try

I agree. Besides, if a 'several hours dead corpse AKA HRG' could be brought back to life after having his brain scrambeled after being shot through the eye, then it merited Claire at least trying to save Nathan.

Lok
05-01-2009, 06:51 AM
I agree with the cut throat and bleeding out answer, but also something else crossed my mind, Claires Bloodwork has maybe changed since Sylar took her power and she survived, she lost the ability to feel pain and she was also the catalyst at the time she gave blood for HRG....

would it of worked on Nathan now? Has Claires bloodwork changed since losing the Catalyst? after Sylar took her power?

maybe, something to think about.

RedPhoenix23
05-01-2009, 04:22 PM
Not really. The show is still playing it pretty hard that Sylar still thinks of Claire as "special" as the day that he opened her up and copied her power, even though she clearly doesn't have the catalyst. If it was the catalyst that healed HRG in season two, then technically, he shouldn't be alive anymore because technically he shouldn't have ever been brought back to life in the first place since she didn't have the catalyst. I don't think Claire ever really had the catalyst in her. I think Mama Nakamura always gave (in her mind) future Hiro (but our present Hiro) the catalyst and Arthur always chases him down into the past and snatched it away. It's like Lost, in where whatever, happened happened, we just didn't get to see how the past events played out until then.

bobsuncorp
05-04-2009, 07:57 AM
Let me just say that I have a very high tolerance for fantastical stories and unrealistic situations. I have always been good at suspending my disbelief and enjoying the story. But this was just frakkin ridiculous. For the first time I am declaring something to have Jumped The Shark.

Plotholes:

Nathan can no longer fly. Sylar levitated himself by telekenisis. So when Peter wants to pick up that power again he won't be able to.

Also at some point Peter and Nathan are going to shake hands, and when that happens Peter may realise through the shape changing DNA analysis power that his brother is not who he seems. When Sylar tried to change into President Wharf he changed into Peter because thats who the DNA said he was.

Predictions:

Nathan cuts himself accidently and heals. (this will probably be one of his first clues).

Nathan is stretching to reach a glass/the remote, and it flies into his hand (clue 2).

Nathan has Charlie's total recall power, he has Claire's healing power to reverse the brain damage Matt caused, he has a boatload of other powers that may crop up, as very wisely stated in the first post, this is a complete waste of time.