No more Lois themed episodes please!!

[Polomontana]

It was a horrible filler episode and the producers are obsessed with her body. They thought if they put her in a black tight outfit that would attract viewers and they were wrong.

I hope they havn't damaged the run up to the final episodes with this nonsense.

[KSiteTV]

How is a story that involves the Red-Blue Blur arc really "filler?"

[miks]

lol while I do agree with the no more Lois centered episodes and the fact that they put her in tight outfits for a reason, you aren't gonna get much support for this thread! But good for you for being brave.

I didn't mind the episode as much as I thought I would, mainly because I didn't watch the parts Lois was in!

[Kevin24]

All I know is that tight black outfit definitely attracted me to the episode! Good story with a beautiful leading lady that is win/win in my book.

It was an important episode because the Red Blue Blur finally spoke with Lois personally and you can really see Clark come into his own in that conversation. It also continued the storyline between Chloe and Davis . I think this really sets up next week nicely.

[susangail]

My expectations of this episode were really low, but I liked it. I'll be rewatching the proto-Superman scenes through the weekend!

[Polomontana]

lol while I do agree with the no more Lois centered episodes and the fact that they put her in tight outfits for a reason, you aren't gonna get much support for this thread! But good for you for being brave.

I didn't mind the episode as much as I thought I would, mainly because I didn't watch the parts Lois was in!

Exactly,

Lois is not a major draw because they turned her into a sex object.

Clark, Chloe, Lex and even Lana were and are the draw. The arc could have been done at the beginning of next season and not in a Lois themed episode.

[Mod Edit]

[DigitalKing]

All I know is that tight black outfit definitely attracted me to the episode!Too bad it didn't work so well with America in general. Stiletto pulled the worst viewership of the season.

[Kevin24]

Too bad it didn't work so well with America in general. Stiletto pulled the worst viewership of the season.

Some men are just more attracted to sweaty men playing with a basketball I guess.:rotfl:

[BadToad]

11 other shows hit season or series lows last night. Was that also due to Lois and her outfits?

"More Chloe"? I can understand if thats the character you are most interested in, but can anyone really credibly claim that Chloe hasn't gotten enough focus and screentime and story this season? Really? Other characters are also allowed to have some story and screentime. Chloe is not the only supporting character on the show.

And if someone didn't watch any of the scenes with Lois, then I'd say you missed most of Clark's storyline in this episode, which dealt a bit with his dual identity, which is a major element of the show, and about the shows main character. He was also very strong and heroic. I don't really see how a story that deals with the main character, and a huge part of his character arc can be considered "filler". JMO

[Smallville6]

Too bad it didn't work so well with America in general. Stiletto pulled the worst viewership of the season.

Normally this would be a bigger deal, but every single show went down too, it wasn't just SV.
And as for a response to the oroginal post: MORE Lois centric episodes please :D

[marcella]

I want more Lois themed episodes

[Kalista]

Shockingly I didn't mind the second and third DP scenes with Clark and his fellow female reporter. They were actually kind of funny. I really didn't focus on her that much to be honest. The scenes involving Jimmy and Clark were more interesting.

The Stiletto scenes were quite amusing especially the one where she dons the outfit and polishes her boot. The scene with Jimmy and Stiletto in the alley was hilarious.:lol:

I don't think Stiletto was a filler because there were important developments with Clark, Chloe and Jimmy.

[LorelaiG]

I want more Lois themed episodes

I second that!!!

More Lois!! and more themed Lois episode if that like last night advances Clark's storyline....bring it

[Loulou26]

Personally I really want to see more of Lois. The show has focussed on every other character through the seasons so why shouldn't it be Lois' turn? More Lois centric episodes would be welcome I say :)

[individuall]

11 other shows hit season or series lows last night. Was that also due to Lois and her outfits?

"More Chloe"? I can understand if thats the character you are most interested in, but can anyone really credibly claim that Chloe hasn't gotten enough focus and screentime and story this season? Really? Other characters are also allowed to have some story and screentime. Chloe is not the only supporting character on the show.

And if someone didn't watch any of the scenes with Lois, then I'd say you missed most of Clark's storyline in this episode, which deal a bit with his dual identity, which is a major element of the show, and about the shows main character. I don't really see how a story that deals with the main character, and a huge part of his character arc can be considered "filler". JMO

Thank you. ITA.
Not only did they further the 'dual identity/ RBB theme of the season. This episode also showed the audience how Chloe was dealing with her decisions from 'Eternal' and how that was weighing in on her conscience/mental health, a nice build up to next weeks episode all the way to the finale, IMO..And they furthered the Jimmy 'drug addict' story line...(I'm not a huge fan of this storyline, but yay for continuity)
This episode wasn't perfect but I fail to see it as a filler..But to each viewer their own I suppose...:\

[doodie8808]

Weve had other lois themed eppys that did good the fact that everybody else went down proves that lois is not to blame considering that 3 million out of four still tuned in plus since legion i dont think smallville has even hit 4 million so before you say that lois is to blame just remember that most lois eppys this year were the higest! I also believe that next season will be lower than this over all seeing as everyear the ratings decline as people are getting tired of not seeing him fly or whatever!

[Mrs. Superman]

How is a story that involves the Red-Blue Blur arc really "filler?"

I'd really like the original poster to answer this question as well. I keep seeing some people post that it's a filler and yet no one addresses it. I still dont understand how such an important factor of the Superman story, the dual identity, which was delved into quite extensively last night, could be considered 'filler'. Last time I checked, Superman and his dual identity are the final destination for Smallville's story. Stiletto was a big step towards that.


11 other shows hit season or series lows last night. Was that also due to Lois and her outfits?

"More Chloe"? I can understand if thats the character you are most interested in, but can anyone really credibly claim that Chloe hasn't gotten enough focus and screentime and story this season? Really? Other characters are also allowed to have some story and screentime. Chloe is not the only supporting character on the show.

And if someone didn't watch any of the scenes with Lois, then I'd say you missed most of Clark's storyline in this episode, which dealt a bit with his dual identity, which is a major element of the show, and about the shows main character. He was also very strong and heroic. I don't really see how a story that deals with the main character, and a huge part of his character arc can be considered "filler". JMO

Amen!

[Smallville Vamp]

No more Chloe or Davis themed episodes please!! I would like MORE Lois centric episodes, especially ones full of MAJOR L&C goodness like we FINALLY got last night!

Edit: MORE Jimmy also, the trio was fantastic.

[doodie8808]

the cw purposly did not advertise this because they knew the writing was questanable! for eppy after bulletpfoof!

[Bizarrolover]

I guess some people forget this show is about Clark and his progression. And I must say he made a huge step forward in this episode. We saw him in full superhero mode, he was smart, he investigated and actually figured out everything on his own and even taught the intrepid Lois Lane some of his rules for reporting. This episode was about him and ther RBB and I loved the way he handled things, how he was able to separate both his personas and act nonchalant (and heroic) as Clark Kent and a completely different side of him as the Blur. He was pre-Superman. Those who skipped his scenes just because he shared them with Lois missed a very important step of his development (and a super hot Clark Kent).

[Jedimaster_TTBaby]

I hope they havn't damaged the run up to the final episodes with this nonsense.

wow, if you think this has the potential to damage the final episodes, I shudder to think what you thought of that Lana arc :eek:.

I don't think this epi was a filler because it opened the door for a great storyline next season!

I personally want more Lois in smallville, so I had no problem with that last episode....especially seeing that she won't be there until the season finale :(!

[LoisLaneJournalist]

MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!


and it will happend :D

[Smallville Vamp]

MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!


and it will happend :D

But you forget to say PLEASE!! :lol:

More Lois centric episodes PLEASE!! ;)

[Khyla]

Shockingly I didn't mind the second and third DP scenes with Clark and his fellow female reporter. They were actually kind of funny. I really didn't focus on her that much to be honest. The scenes involving Jimmy and Clark were more interesting.

The Stiletto scenes were quite amusing especially the one where she dons the outfit and polishes her boot. The scene with Jimmy and Stiletto in the alley was hilarious.:lol:

I don't think Stiletto was a filler because there were important developments with Clark, Chloe and Jimmy.

i completely agree with you!
Clark groaning, faking his bullet wound pain as he reached toward the snack Lois brought him was hilarious. :lol:

while chloe's scenes were phenomenal, I think the Lois scenes were just as good and enjoyable in their own right.
Now as far as the Lois stuff goes, one can not help but see how cliched and cartoonish/comicbook-like her parts were. Whereas Chloe's were a little more introspective and real-lfe dramatic. And I don't think it's a matter of one actress being better than the other. I think it's the way they were purposefully written. Both girls were involved in life/death situations but the presentations were handled quite differently. very contrasted IMO. Chloe=subtle, Lois=over-the top. I think it was clever of the writers to pull off such an episode that both CHloe and Lois fans could enjoy --I think they finally understand the respective psyche behind each of them. What I mean is they finally figured out which buttons to push. :)

With respect to Clark's relationship with both girls, I especially liked Clark's line that romance is the last thing on his mind, right now.

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More Lois centric episodes !!

uh, NO thank you. I like how the episodes balance out just right as they are.

[Bizarrolover]

i completely agree with you!
Clark groaning, faking his bullet wound pain as he reached toward the snack Lois brought him was hilarious. :lol:

while chloe's scenes were phenomenal, I think the Lois scenes were just as good and enjoyable in their own right.
Now as far as the Lois stuff goes, one can not help but see how cliched and cartoonish/comicbook-like her parts were. Whereas Chloe's were a little more introspective and real-lfe dramatic. And I don't think it's a matter of one actress being better than the other. I think it's the way they were purposefully written. Both girls were involved in life/death situations but the presentations were handled quite differently. very contrasted IMO. Chloe=subtle, Lois=over-the top. I think it was clever of the writers to pull off such an episode that both CHloe and Lois fans could enjoy --I think they finally understand the respective psyche behind each of them. What I mean is they finally figured out which buttons to push. :)


With respect to Clark's relationship with both girls, I especially liked Clark's line that romance is the last thing on his mind, right now.

There was also another obvious contrast, and that was Lois admitting her mistake and growing because of it and Chloe keeping her dark secret and sinking even deeper in the mess she created. Both learned that lying and hiding things will take them nowhere, one of them chose the right path, the other the wrong one.

[LoisLaneJournalist]

Im Sorry :S
that wasnt polite!!
ill say again gladly!!


PLEASE!MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
PLEASE!MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
PLEASE!MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
PLEASE!MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
PLEASE!MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
PLEASE!MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
PLEASE!MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
PLEASE!MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!

PLEASE!MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
PLEASE!MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
PLEASE!MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!
PLEASE!MORE LOIS LANE CENTRIC EPISODES!!

[Supsfan]

It was a horrible filler episode and the producers are obsessed with her body. They thought if they put her in a black tight outfit that would attract viewers and they were wrong.

I hope they havn't damaged the run up to the final episodes with this nonsense.

[Mod Edit]


Whereas Chloe's were a little more introspective and real-lfe dramatic.

Yeah harbouring an alien killer who can morph between human and monster form in a basement really screams real life for alot of people I know

[Polomontana]

[mod edit]

Nope, Lois is a good back up character to the main characters. She's not a lead actress because they introduced Lois as just a body.

[Supsfan]

She's not a lead actress because they introduced Lois as just a body.

And some such as myself would argue that Chloe is best off being a support character like she was in earlier seasons and when she gets to involved in the storylines it suffers(sort of like Lana storylines we had to suffer through the past X amount of seasons). Maybe this show should just focus on Clark and every fan will be happy.

[DigitalKing]

[Mod Edit]

Didn't realize the dock was across the board like that. However, I can't really call this a crucial step in Clark's path. Identity was a crucial step in Clark's path, and I thought it was one of the best eps this season. This was a crucial step in lois' path, where she learns not to fake stories. I'm glad the show finally addressed her penchant for doing this, what with all the other characters WTFing hard over it, and all of them suffering because of it. But where's lois' share of the suffering? I need to see her have consequences, which she seems adept at dodging no matter what the situation. I just can't take lois seriously.

[drvr8]

the cw purposly did not advertise this because they knew the writing was questanable! for eppy after bulletpfoof!
[Mod Edit] Seriously though, last weeks repeat episode was Requiem. Kevin Fair did a good job directing the episode and the Chloe/Clark/Lois scenes were really well done and dark with the tragic foreboding creeping in. Aaron did really well, he was so unemotionally involved and really struck me as someone suffering through a drug addiction but had the strength to not rat out Stiletto's identity. Of course he did swipe the K-bills from the gang to pay for his next fix, but his strength of character when threatened was really interesting b/c you saw his strength of friendship but his genuine disregard and lack of fear of dying while he was being beaten. I expected Bruno to toss his butt over the ledge, but that never happened.

The Lois/Clark/Blur scenes were really well done and I'm sorry if you don't feel that way, but the show is not about Clark pining over Lana or using Chloe as a backup plan, but about Clark going towards his destiny and becoming Superman. Lois happens to be one of those iconic characters that has a hand in shaping Superman's destiny, and ultimately is the character that names him, helps to introduce him to the rest of the world and is always supporting of Superman even at his most challenging and difficult times.

If you don't enjoy the Clark and Lois stuff,[mod edit] because from all the hints we're getting about the next season there may be more of those type of episodes in the future as Clark becomes the hero we all want him to become.

[LoisLaneJournalist]

If you don't enjoy the Clark and Lois stuff, from all the hints we're getting about the next season there may be more of those type of episodes in the future as Clark becomes the hero we all want him to become.

Well Say!! :)
Ill be still be WaTChing GlaDy SMaLLviLLe :D

[IHeartClois]

More Lois themed episodes please!! AND loads more Clois...Bluretto...its all good!

[Supsfan]

So I take it you like people made out of straw.

Didn't realize the dock was across the board like that. However, I can't really call this a crucial step in Clark's path. Identity was a crucial step in Clark's path, and I thought it was one of the best eps this season. This was a crucial step in lois' path, where she learns not to fake stories. I'm glad the show finally addressed her penchant for doing this, what with all the other characters WTFing hard over it, and all of them suffering because of it. But where's lois' share of the suffering? I need to see her have consequences, which she seems adept at dodging no matter what the situation. I just can't take lois seriously.

I personally feel the show should focus on Clark and everybody else is a secondary character. How much more do we need to know about Doomsday for instance(it would have just been better to make him a lab experiment or alien and show up in the 22nd episode for my tastes). I can really give an rat's ass he is locked up in Chloe's basement and it looks like next episode will focus on it some more(which to me doesn't add much to the story because anybody who reads a comic book has a good idea what is going to happen in episode 22, no matter what Davis/doomsday does the next 2 episode, so why bore us with the petty details).

Now I can understand why some people may not care for Lois but at least the show touched on Clark secret identity a bit in Stiletto, something which I as a Clark fan am interested about.

[Vergon6]

I would like more Lois centric episodes, but not all of them have to be as silly as this one was at times :p. For example, they could do an episode where Lois goes half-cocked chasing after a story involving organized crime (Intergang) and Clark has step in to save her. Or there could be episodes where we delve more into her back story.

Jimmy should also get some more development as well.

I like all the characters on the show, and I didn't not even stop watching the show when I read the spoilers for the Lana arc, despite my disagreements with the way they were handling her return and exit.

[SnowBird]

11 other shows hit season or series lows last night. Was that also due to Lois and her outfits?

"More Chloe"? I can understand if thats the character you are most interested in, but can anyone really credibly claim that Chloe hasn't gotten enough focus and screentime and story this season? Really? Other characters are also allowed to have some story and screentime. Chloe is not the only supporting character on the show.

And if someone didn't watch any of the scenes with Lois, then I'd say you missed most of Clark's storyline in this episode, which dealt a bit with his dual identity, which is a major element of the show, and about the shows main character. He was also very strong and heroic. I don't really see how a story that deals with the main character, and a huge part of his character arc can be considered "filler". JMO

Excellent post!

[cloisthelegendbegins]

How is a story that involves the Red-Blue Blur arc really "filler?"

Exactly!


Exactly,

Lois is not a major draw because they turned her into a sex object.

Clark, Chloe, Lex and even Lana were and are the draw. The arc could have been done at the beginning of next season and not in a Lois themed episode.



This is obviously one person's opinion, to which they are of course entitled, but Lois not being a major draw is a statement that could be argued by many, MANY Lois Lane fans. Lex and Lana can't be the draw because, in case it has escaped your attention, they've LEFT THE SHOW and Chloe and Clark fans have 22 episodes of the season to see their favourite characters - for better or worse. A little generosity towards the fans who enjoyed the first Lois-centric episode in let me see now... oohh... FOUR SEASONS don't seem like too much to ask in my opinion.

As to the comments about Lois' body, I'm not even going to go there beyond saying, again, that's AN OPINION and to me, it's unnecessary.


11 other shows hit season or series lows last night. Was that also due to Lois and her outfits?

"More Chloe"? I can understand if thats the character you are most interested in, but can anyone really credibly claim that Chloe hasn't gotten enough focus and screentime and story this season? Really? Other characters are also allowed to have some story and screentime. Chloe is not the only supporting character on the show.

And if someone didn't watch any of the scenes with Lois, then I'd say you missed most of Clark's storyline in this episode, which dealt a bit with his dual identity, which is a major element of the show, and about the shows main character. He was also very strong and heroic. I don't really see how a story that deals with the main character, and a huge part of his character arc can be considered "filler". JMO

Word.


I guess some people forget this show is about Clark and his progression. And I must say he made a huge step forward in this episode. We saw him in full superhero mode, he was smart, he investigated and actually figured out everything on his own and even taught the intrepid Lois Lane some of his rules for reporting. This episode was about him and ther RBB and I loved the way he handled things, how he was able to separate both his personas and act nonchalant (and heroic) as Clark Kent and a completely different side of him as the Blur. He was pre-Superman. Those who skipped his scenes just because he shared them with Lois missed a very important step of his development (and a super hot Clark Kent).

ITA.


Nope, Lois is a good back up character to the main characters. She's not a lead actress because they introduced Lois as just a body.

EVERY character is a back up to CLARK KENT. You know? The guy who the show is about? And really, is the body the best you can do? I'm so glad we're looking at the story and the characters and how they all add to Clark's story and how they're all on a journey and how they all make mistakes along the way and the themes of this season. Great argument against Lois having screen-time. :rolleyes:

On the subject of the definition of a 'filler' episode, I'll quote from my post in the Loved It, Hated It thread:


According to Wiki-Answers:


A 'filler episode' is one in which there is no plot development.

Good filler episodes generally keep with the tone of the overall series while developing the original cast.

Some examples of filler episodes may include, flashbacks and recaps where events up to the current point are once again stated or summarized, introduction of new and strange characters or side-stories though sometimes this may have influence in the outcome of the series as a whole, random conflicts that are resolved in a single episode are sure signs of a filler episode...

By that definition I have to say this season Abyss, Power and even Requiem have been filler episodes. When it comes to Stiletto, not so much. I think the thought is that, since the Doomsday storyline is the main plot taking us to the finale, an episode that isn't focussed on that as the 'A' plot is therefore a 'filler'. However, whether people enjoy the other plots that have been explored this season or not, the fact is those story-lines exist and are part of the bigger overall story of Clark Kent's journey to becoming Superman. Stiletto dealt with that journey, it dealt with the RBB storyline, it dealt with the love story between Lois and Clark, it dealt with this seasons theme of secret identities AND it dealt with part of the Doomsday/Chloe storyline. It DID NOT do it with flashbacks, recaps or a summary of what has already happened beyond the usual opening recap and apart from the character of Bruno Mannheim – who may or may not return as part of an Intergang storyline in season nine – it did not introduce strange characters unless we count Lois dressed a Stiletto. It also didn't use random conflicts. So this episode WAS NOT A FILLER.

[xrayvision]

I guess some people forget this show is about Clark and his progression. And I must say he made a huge step forward in this episode. We saw him in full superhero mode, he was smart, he investigated and actually figured out everything on his own and even taught the intrepid Lois Lane some of his rules for reporting. This episode was about him and ther RBB and I loved the way he handled things, how he was able to separate both his personas and act nonchalant (and heroic) as Clark Kent and a completely different side of him as the Blur. He was pre-Superman. Those who skipped his scenes just because he shared them with Lois missed a very important step of his development (and a super hot Clark Kent).

Nicely said. I think parts of the episode could have been written better, but Clark's parts were all amazing. It was great to see Intergang and Lois learning one of Clark's rules for reporting as you so nicely pointed out. Going forward I hope they realize that Lois looked hotter in that Daily Planet pastry scene than in any other part of the episode and don't think that they have to put her in skin-tight outfits to get a good response. The scene with the big 3 was one of the best of the episode. I think the episode was great from the time when Lois drove her car to Mannheim's headquarters when she was looking for Jimmy to the end of the episode. There were a few things that could have been re-shot to look better/more believable but the plot from that moment on was great.

[amalie]

Like others have said, this wasn't a filler. In fact an episode that centres around the Iconic three, dual identities and Lois and Clark's relationship sounds like the opposite of filler to me. It might be a detour from the A plot in terms of how the final few episodes of the season are going, but a filler it is not.

Personally I want more Clark centric episodes and I wouldn't mind a few more Lois one's too. Ideally I'd have Jimmy in there as well.

[NinaDavis]

If this episode was a filler, I want more fillers for S9! :rotfl:
And PLEASE more Lois centric episodes!!

[Kschreck]

This was very good episode and the Red and Blue Blur/Lois phone booth scene was very well done. I hope we get more of these "filler" episodes! :lol:

[Clark-Lois]

I have to agree, this was NOT a filler. and I want MORE Lois episodes and a hell of a lot more CLOIS.... please

[-Nora-]

Yeah, please no more episodes focusing on Clark and his future wife. It's so unimportant!

And yeah, because Erica is a beautiful woman, that's the only reason these writers could possibly focus on her. She's had plastic surgery anyway, that little sneak! At least that's what her husband tells her every time she gets home from the gym, I hear.

What morons these writers are for daring to actually use an ep to focus on a well-rounded character. The nerve!

[Dresden]

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Questions: How is this episode a filler? Explain. And how do you know what the producers are thinking? Explain. For the record, I find your recent posts highly offensive as you keep on focusing on Erica Durance and her body and make references to her only being popular due to the physical aspect which is an indirect way of bashing the actress which is against forum rules last time I checked. If you don't like the episode, fine, but let's remain respectful to real people. Lois Lane is an a character. Erica Durance is an actress. Bringing her her body or her breasts is talking about a real person and is very offensive. <img src=http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif>

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But good for you for being brave.


I don't find anything brave about offensive posts like these.

[costas22]

I believe that in a Smallville season there is plenty of room for every type of episode. If they had Lois appear in more episodes, then they could have had the chance of getting her more involved in the main arcs of a season and not do something separate with her. Nonetheless, Stiletto's problem wasn't that it was a Lois episode. The problem in my eyes is that it should have aired sooner. Maybe they should have swapped places with Eternal. But since the producers have made it clear that they will focus on Clois as much as Clark's journey to become Superman, we will get more Lois episodes. One can only hope that they are a bit better than Stiletto and better placed in a season.

[-Nora-]

Lois Lane is an a character. Erica Durance is an actress. Bringing her her body or her breasts is talking about a real person and is very offensive. <img src=http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/images/smilies/mad.gif>

Totally agree. I fail to see what the big deal about her breasts is, anyway. And I didn't know that beautiful woman + big breasts equals 'stupid person'. If anything is shallow, it's THAT mindset.

Erica is an incredibly talented actress who has perfect comedic timing and can pull at your heartstrings when she plays Lois' emotional side.

And instead of going on and on and ON about her physical appearance, maybe it's time the actress deserved a little respect for what she does best: acting.

[doodie8808]

spellcheck please, aisle 3. Seriously though, last weeks repeat episode was Requiem. Kevin Fair did a good job directing the episode and the Chloe/Clark/Lois scenes were really well done and dark with the tragic foreboding creeping in. Aaron did really well, he was so unemotionally involved and really struck me as someone suffering through a drug addiction but had the strength to not rat out Stiletto's identity. Of course he did swipe the K-bills from the gang to pay for his next fix, but his strength of character when threatened was really interesting b/c you saw his strength of friendship but his genuine disregard and lack of fear of dying while he was being beaten. I expected Bruno to toss his butt over the ledge, but that never happened.

The Lois/Clark/Blur scenes were really well done and I'm sorry if you don't feel that way, but the show is not about Clark pining over Lana or using Chloe as a backup plan, but about Clark going towards his destiny and becoming Superman. Lois happens to be one of those iconic characters that has a hand in shaping Superman's destiny, and ultimately is the character that names him, helps to introduce him to the rest of the world and is always supporting of Superman even at his most challenging and difficult times.

If you don't enjoy the Clark and Lois stuff, you should probably stop watching because from all the hints we're getting about the next season there may be more of those type of episodes in the future as Clark becomes the hero we all want him to become.


woah woah! hold up i love clois ok DON'T ASSUME !but the cw didn't put much effort into promoting this eppy! i loved the epy and thought it was great! but the cw i felt did not care because of who the writer was for it and how her episdoes are received! (BY THE WAY I THINK I TOOK TIME TO SPELL CHECK IF NOT SORRY WORKING ON FINAL!):rotfl:
ALSO MOST OTHER LOIS EPPYS THIS SEASONS WERE THE BEST !LOOK AT HEX AND IDENTIFY! BUT ALSO LOOK AT THE WRITERS TRAILOR AND STORYLINE OVERALL PLOT!

[Ritza]

Totally agree. I fail to see what the big deal about her breasts is, anyway. And I didn't know that beautiful woman + big breasts equals 'stupid person'. If anything is shallow, it's THAT mindset.
Not only is it shallow but I personally find it sexist. How many times have we seen Justin/Tom without shirts? Yet you never see comments calling them out for being used as purely sex symbols. Yet show a woman who is very attractive and sexy and god forbid she might have had some work done and suddenly she's fair game to be torn apart and belittled. The fact of the matter is that the producers didn't turn Lois Lane into a sexy character because of Erica Durance and her physical attributes. The character herself is iconically sexy. She dresses up in maid outfits and goes undercover using silly costumes. That's part of the character.


And if instead of going on and on and ON about her physical appearance, maybe it's time the actress deserved a little respect for what she does best: acting. Exactly. Every actor and actress on this series deserves major respect for creating our favorite show.

[Mod Edit]

[-Nora-]

Not only is it shallow but I personally find it sexist. How many times have we seen Justin/Tom without shirts? Yet you never see comments calling them out for being used as purely sex symbols.

No kidding! Every time Tom or Justin take off their shirts everyone's like HELL YEAH!, but god FORBID that Erica wears an outfit that compliments her body. Then it's just cheap and shallow.

[Mod Edit]

[ClarkNLanaTogether4Eva]

More Lois themed episodes P L E A S E!

Lois is amazing and I love her to death.

[costas22]

No kidding! Every time Tom or Justin take off their shirts everyone's like HELL YEAH!, but god FORBID that Erica wears an outfit that compliments her body. Then it's just cheap and shallow.

The double standards on this board are sometimes downright sickening.

Hey i have never complained about that! As Pete would say, bring on the pain!

[Krypto_marcus]

I want a really good Lois themed episode! Hopefully in season 9. I would like to see Lois in a darker episode. I liked Stiletto but the "Stiletto-thing" was too silly and not very well done in my opinion, but I don't know how it could have been done better. The other stuff in the episode was great.

By the way, how is this episode a filler?

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No kidding! Every time Tom or Justin take off their shirts everyone's like HELL YEAH!, but god FORBID that Erica wears an outfit that compliments her body. Then it's just cheap and shallow.

The double standards on this board are sometimes downright sickening.

Hey well said Nora, and I totally agree! And I definitely don't mind seeing Erica in an outfit that compliments her body, not at all;)

[-Nora-]

By the way, how is this episode a filler?

That's the question none of those people who call it that can answer.

[Krypto_marcus]

Exactly. Every actor and actress on this series deserves major respect for creating our favorite show. Instead, it seems that some actors/actresses get constantly disrespected and I'm personally not down with that. I know I get sick and tired of all the Chloe bashing. I find that rude and annoying. But bashing a real person is more than rude and annoying. It's unacceptable. Period.

Agreed. And not only the actors the writers/producers too, people should start showing more appreciation to the people creating our favorite show.

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That's the question none of those people who call it that can answer.

I guess they think that every Lois themed episode is a filler, but Lois is the most important character of the show, after Clark of course, she's his future wife for crying out loud! And this episode was definitely not a filler, how can a episode moving the RBB-arc forward be a filler?

[joemamma]

No more Chloe or Davis themed episodes please!! I would like MORE Lois centric episodes, especially ones full of MAJOR L&C goodness like we FINALLY got last night!

Edit: MORE Jimmy also, the trio was fantastic.

That's what I'm talkin about! MORE Lois centric epis!

[-Nora-]

I guess they think that every Lois themed episode is a filler, but Lois is the most important character of the show, after Clark of course, she's his future wife for crying out loud!

That's what I keep saying. If people don't like Lois for whatever reason, fine, but the fact that she's Clark future wife remains and thus any episode that advances that relationship can NOT be a filler. Ever.

[hero`s passion]

How could it be called "filler"? That`s crazy!!!! The epi where Lois Lane first talked to Superman- it`s the most important part of the story...I enjoyed every minute:)))))))))

[Pantalaimon]

Clearly not a filler, as most here have said.

But what is the big problem with fillers anyway?

I like a strong overarching storyline as much as the next person, but I prefer it not to come at the expense of the individual episodes. Fillers usually have much stronger episode plots than episodes that have to pay a lot of attention to ongoing issues. So a pure filler now and then is fine by me.

[Minamostaza]

I didn't watch the whole episode, I wasn't excite about it. I only watched Chloe's escenes, but I'm sure Erica and the rest of the cast were great.

[kris10]

No more Chloe or Davis themed episodes please!! I would like MORE Lois centric episodes, especially ones full of MAJOR L&C goodness like we FINALLY got last night!

Edit: MORE Jimmy also, the trio was fantastic.

well sorry hate to say this but you're not going to get that. i actually did not like the fact that THE Lois Lane made up something to get a story....even clark was taken aback..first thing out of my mouth was whoa...they are going there....but then she progresses and learns from it and that was pretty cool....
not a big lois fan but it was ok but i think that its b/c im not a big ED fan.

but gotta say Allison Mack is an awesome actress.

[Polomontana]

This was a filler episode.

If the story was that important it wouldn't have been second fiddle to the silly Stiletto.

They could have promoted the episode as "First Contact" and concentrated on the first contact between The blur and Lois. They could have still kept the silly Stiletto storyline and concentrated on this so called history making event.

They didn't. The producers thought Lois in a tight black outfit was more important and this is what they promoted.

Ergo, a filler episode emerged.

[abbaspice1]

Too bad it didn't work so well with America in general. Stiletto pulled the worst viewership of the season.


Did you no noticed tha just about every single other show on TV also went down?

[Timester]

This was a filler episode.

If the story was that important it wouldn't have been second fiddle to the silly Stiletto.

They could have promoted the episode as "First Contact" and concentrated on the first contact between The blur and Lois. They could have still kept the silly Stiletto storyline and concentrated on this so called history making event.

They didn't. The producers thought Lois in a tight black outfit was more important and this is what they promoted.

Ergo, a filler episode emerged.

No, it's not a filler episode. You need to read again what filler episode means. Craig said the best, how is a story that involves the Red-Blue Blur arc really "filler?"

[abbaspice1]

Nope, Lois is a good back up character to the main characters. She's not a lead actress because they introduced Lois as just a body.


And how was Chloe introduced? As a nosy-body nerd! And yet, some of us have come to love the character.

First impressions may be important, but they only tell PART of the story. It is shallow to ONLY focus on first impressions.

[-Nora-]

This was a filler episode.

If the story was that important it wouldn't have been second fiddle to the silly Stiletto.

They could have promoted the episode as "First Contact" and concentrated on the first contact between The blur and Lois. They could have still kept the silly Stiletto storyline and concentrated on this so called history making event.

They didn't. The producers thought Lois in a tight black outfit was more important and this is what they promoted.

Ergo, a filler episode emerged.

Er, hate to break it to you but the writers aren't the ones who do the promos, the CW is. And the writers (!) made it pretty clear what the episode was actually about.

[abbaspice1]

So I take it you like people made out of straw.

Didn't realize the dock was across the board like that. However, I can't really call this a crucial step in Clark's path. Identity was a crucial step in Clark's path, and I thought it was one of the best eps this season. This was a crucial step in lois' path, where she learns not to fake stories. I'm glad the show finally addressed her penchant for doing this, what with all the other characters WTFing hard over it, and all of them suffering because of it. But where's lois' share of the suffering? I need to see her have consequences, which she seems adept at dodging no matter what the situation. I just can't take lois seriously.


Please name one character who got what they deserve on this show? Chloe actually killed a man, no happened. Lana actually killed a person, nothing happened. Clark robbed a bnak wihile on Red-K, nothing happened. Let face the facts, if THIS is your gripe, you should have had this gripe a LONG time ago with every character on this show LONG BEFORE NOW.

[Ella]

This was a filler episode.
Please read the definition of the word filler. Seriously. You are misusing it. It doesn't make any sense to call an episode that furthers the plot along a filler. You may have not liked it, but that doesn't make it a filler.


If the story was that important it wouldn't have been second fiddle to the silly Stiletto. *face palm*

The whole POINT behind the Stiletto persona WAS to get to the RBB!! So it was all about Lois trying to uncover who the RBB was! And the second plot had to do with Bruno Manheim and intergang. How in the world any of this equates to filler to you is beyond me. It isn't filler. Plain and simple. It isn't.


They didn't. The producers thought Lois in a tight black outfit was more important and this is what they promoted. Can you stop psychoanalyzing the producers? You have NO idea what they were thinking. None of us do. Yet you insist on claiming that all they wanted to do was see Lois in a tight black outfit. Please. Stop it. Your false claims are offensive.


Ergo, a filler episode emerged.Ergo, you have no idea what the word filler means since you are using it inappropriately and thus should consult a dictionary as soon as possible.

[abbaspice1]

This was a filler episode.

If the story was that important it wouldn't have been second fiddle to the silly Stiletto.

They could have promoted the episode as "First Contact" and concentrated on the first contact between The blur and Lois. They could have still kept the silly Stiletto storyline and concentrated on this so called history making event.

They didn't. The producers thought Lois in a tight black outfit was more important and this is what they promoted.

Ergo, a filler episode emerged.


Amazing, when Clark's development p[lays second-fiddle to Chloe's story, some people aren't upset in the least.

But now, all of a sudden, they want Clark progression to be first. Maybe they seem the light. However, I do believe that with next weeks episode, the light will be back off.

BTW, the producers know what the sorry was about. All that happened with Stiletto led up to the highlight and focus of the episode, RBB and Lois mad contact (and what LOVELY contact it was). I don't need someone to connect the dots for me to see the that.

[27CDruid]

the cw purposly did not advertise this because they knew the writing was questanable! for eppy after bulletpfoof!

[Mod Edit]

Great episode. Nice links with jimmy. Good movement with Clarks superhero persona. One of the best this season.

[Mickey_Bickey]

How is a story that involves the Red-Blue Blur arc really "filler?"

It's not, and the other two main arcs this season is Doomsday and Clois, which were both addressed in this episode as well. I'll also add that the introduction of Intergang was also in this episode which will most likely tie into next year's arc.

Far from filler material. Another thing is if anything, this show needs more of Lois Lane, not less. I suspect that as we saw tonight, the show is moving closer to a more iconic Superman type show, and the writers and producers know that TW and ED are pretty magical on screen together. I suspect that next season we will see a lot more of her character and perhaps less of others who aren't linked the Superman mythology.

[abbaspice1]

[Mod Edit]

[Mickey_Bickey]

This was a filler episode.

If the story was that important it wouldn't have been second fiddle to the silly Stiletto.

They could have promoted the episode as "First Contact" and concentrated on the first contact between The blur and Lois. They could have still kept the silly Stiletto storyline and concentrated on this so called history making event.

They didn't. The producers thought Lois in a tight black outfit was more important and this is what they promoted.

Ergo, a filler episode emerged.


No offense, but to be a filler it would have to not progress the characters, their relationships, not tie into the main arcs or introduce new characters to segway into new storylines and arcs.

By definition this episode was the opposite of being a filler.

Perhaps you didn't enjoy seeing Lois Lane dressing up as Stiletto to lure the RBB, and that's fine, but to call it a filler because of that is not correct.

Aside from that, I thought she looked great! She learned from her mistake, and that's character growth.

[Polomontana]

Yes, this was a filler episode about Lois in a black tight suit. They thought the Stiletto story would sell but it didn't and that's why the ratings tanked.

Filler episode:

A filler episode is generally an episode in which there is no plot development. Good filler episodes generally keep with the tone of the overall series while developing the original cast.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_filler_episode

The plot of this season is between Chloe, Clark and Davis and that's obvious and this is why the final episodes will concentrate on this story.

A good filler episode keeps with the tone of the overall story and it develops characters like Lois and Clark with the silly Stiletto.

So yes, this was a filler episode.

This is exactly what Stiletto does.

[rebecavaldez]

I don't see it as a filler. This show is about Superman, or how Clark becomes Superman and the whole myth of Superman. This episode was a help in the Clois future direction.

[Timester]

A filler episode is generally an episode in which there is no plot development.

An episode in which there is no plot development. Which is the complete opposite of what happened on Stiletto.

[Mickey_Bickey]

An episode in which there is no plot development. Which is the complete opposite of what happened on Stiletto.

Exactly, Bruno! I guess you have to actually know what a filler episode is to distinguish between them.

Either way, the episode helped to advance the storylines, characters, introduce more characters for future storylines and arcs, and finally introduced the Superman/Lois Lane/Clark Kent triangle which is segwaying into the finale and next season.

[gilliang]

Clearly you're just looking for attention with these ridiculous claims you're making.

[-Nora-]

Yes, this was a filler episode about Lois in a black tight suit.

Um, did you actually watch the episode? This is like saying Superman is about a guy in a red cape. Lois used the 'black tight suit' to lure out the RBB and land her first interview with the guy. Funny how you love to ignore that OR the fact that it did bring Clark and Lois closer. And hate Clark and Lois all you want, but guess what? Clark marries Lois in the future and it's a gigantic part of his story. Any episode that advances this relationship can't be a filler.


Filler episode:

A filler episode is generally an episode in which there is no plot development. Good filler episodes generally keep with the tone of the overall series while developing the original cast.

Thanks for confirming what we're all saying since there was plenty plot development in this episode. It just mainly developed Clark/Lois/RBB instead of Chloe, which seems to hit a nerve with you.


The plot of this season is between Chloe, Clark and Davis and that's obvious and this is why the final episodes will concentrate on this story.

ONE of the plots this season is Clark/Chloe/Doomsday. And I hope you won't be disappointed in the finale when ::gasp:: Clark and Lois grow closer than ever, as teased by Souders.

[gilliang]

^ LMAO, I *heart* you Nora.

Can I ask you something Polomontana?

If the episode had featured Chloe in the "tight black suit", would you still be complaining? Somehow, I doubt it.

[DGirlLois4Clark]

Is this really necessary?
Speak for yourself because I want more Lois themed episodes:)

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Yes, this was a filler episode about Lois in a black tight suit. They thought the Stiletto story would sell but it didn't and that's why the ratings tanked.

Filler episode:

A filler episode is generally an episode in which there is no plot development. Good filler episodes generally keep with the tone of the overall series while developing the original cast.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_filler_episode

The plot of this season is between Chloe, Clark and Davis and that's obvious and this is why the final episodes will concentrate on this story.

A good filler episode keeps with the tone of the overall story and it develops characters like Lois and Clark with the silly Stiletto.

So yes, this was a filler episode.

This is exactly what Stiletto does.

LOL. There there.
Surely the producers have to listen to you now and remove Lois from the show altogether. She is extremely unpopular after all..you seem to have all the facts:rolleyes:

Anywayz, I'm off to do some important stuffs. Carry on I guess:rotfl:

[LoveHurts38]

I want more Lois, Jimmy, and Clark the big 3 episodes!!!!

[Polomontana]

Again, there was no plot development. Of course a filler episode advances the overall story between the characters.


Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman. This is why Lois hasn't been in the story outside of Clark's love interest.

The plot has to do with Clark becoming Superman. This is not Lois & Clark and this has nothing to do with the development
[Mod Edit] Clark's love but she has nothing to do with the plot of Clark becoming Superman.

[Smallville Vamp]

well sorry hate to say this but you're not going to get that.

I agree, at least not THIS season! ;)

[abbaspice1]

Yes, this was a filler episode about Lois in a black tight suit. They thought the Stiletto story would sell but it didn't and that's why the ratings tanked.

Filler episode:

A filler episode is generally an episode in which there is no plot development. Good filler episodes generally keep with the tone of the overall series while developing the original cast.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_filler_episode

The plot of this season is between Chloe, Clark and Davis and that's obvious and this is why the final episodes will concentrate on this story.

A good filler episode keeps with the tone of the overall story and it develops characters like Lois and Clark with the silly Stiletto.

So yes, this was a filler episode.

This is exactly what Stiletto does.

Actually dear, the main point of this season (and every season of the show) is to show how Clark progresses to become the Man of Steel. It is NOT about Chloe or Davis.

And there was PLENTY of plot development. Hate to state the OBVIOUS, but it seems I have to:

Plot development:
*Lois learns not to fake a story
*RBB and Lois make contact
*RBB wants Lois to come up with a better name for him (ICONIC MOMENT)
*Lois, Jimmy and Clark save one another (again ICONIC)
*Chloe once again, chooses to hide the truth to protect two friends (and we all know this will lead to nothing but trouble
*Jimmy becoming a darker character, yet his core is still there (was there for his friends)
*Shows that the iconic three are heroes in their own way (again ICONIC)

Every character develops in this episode. Except Davis.

And all of this happens because (Say it with me) Lois become Stiletto!

[-Nora-]

[mod edit]


Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman. This is why Lois hasn't been in the story outside of Clark's love interest.

Oh, but Doomsday has something to do with Clark becoming Superman? Or Chloe who doesn't even EXIST in canon? Seriously, are you for real?


The plot has to do with Clark becoming Superman. This is not Lois & Clark and this has nothing to do with the development

If you didn't see how Superman-ish Clark was in that final scene, I can't help you.


Clark's love but she has nothing to do with the plot of Clark becoming Superman.

Neither does Doomsday or Chloe.

[Polomontana]

Again, this is not Lois & Clark. Lois is in Smallville as Clark's love interest. Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Again, there was no plot development. Of course a filler episode advances the overall story between the characters.



Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman. This is why Lois hasn't been in the story outside of Clark's love interest.

The plot has to do with Clark becoming Superman. This is not Lois & Clark and this has nothing to do with the development

Clark's love but she has nothing to do with the plot of Clark becoming Superman.

What are you talking about? Lois and Clark's development is an important part of Smallville, and all you have to do is view "A Hero's Passion" trailer to know that the producers were focussing on their relationship this season. It is one of the plots/arcs. Also, Clark evolving into Superman is a huge plot and has been since S1. The introduction of the RBB in Identity gave him a dual identity, which is extremely important in the Superman mythology.

Who said anywhere that she has to do with him becoming Superman? Clark is doing that, but his relationship with Lois Lane is a very important one. The show advanced their relationship, introduced the iconic triangle into their characters which is canon, moved along the Chloe betraying Clark/befriending falling for Davis storyline as well as introduced other DC villians from the Superman mythology to segway into next season.

ED is a beautiful woman, there's no doubt!! She's also extremely talented, and IMO the best actress on the show. I'm excited to see more of her wonderful, iconic character. She is usually in her DP attire as of late, and I don't think that there's been one female actress on this show including AM and KK who haven't daunted some riske outfit!

Regardless, this wasn't a filler episode, and you need to educate yourself on Superman outside of Smallville to know that.

[abbaspice1]

Again, there was no plot development. Of course a filler episode advances the overall story between the characters.



Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman. This is why Lois hasn't been in the story outside of Clark's love interest.

The plot has to do with Clark becoming Superman. This is not Lois & Clark and this has nothing to do with the development
Clark's love but she has nothing to do with the plot of Clark becoming Superman.

One minute you are stating that Chloe/Davis and Clark are the center of the show, and if it doesn't promote all three of them, it is a filler episode.

Now you are saying that the focus is on Clark becoming Superman, and Lois has nothing to do with it. HELLO? Who gave him the name? Who is the reporter who get the first interview? And Who helped save Clark's life last night?

Trust me, I get the show. I also get the comic books. I get how the story will play out...Lois will be his wife, Jimmy will be one of his best friends, and DD will ultimately lose to Superman.

[Polomontana]

Their was character development but Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman. Character development occurs in a filler episode.

[celita]

How is a story that involves the Red-Blue Blur arc really "filler?"

[Mod Edit]

- Intergang's introduction.
- Lois's first chat with Clark's alter ego. Clark realizes he needs a better name and says that will be Lois the one whom find that name and the first one to know when the moment of being public arrives.
- The leader of Intergang now hates Clark, Jimmy ans "Stiletto" and knows that Clark and Jimmy works in the Daily Planet.
- He also hates superheroes and want them out of "his streets". Which could lead to him becoming the Justice League nemesis.

But of course, since it wasn't about Chloe, the non mythos character, it was a filler in a story about Clark Kent's journey to become Superman. :p

[gilliang]

Their was character development but Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman. Character development occurs in a filler episode.

[Mod Edit]

[-Nora-]

Again, this is not Lois & Clark.

It's not Chloe & Davis, either.


Lois is in Smallville as Clark's love interest. Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

*adapts your logic* Chloe is on SV as Clark's best friend. Chloe has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Which again begs my question, what if the episode was about CHLOE in a "black tight suit"? You'd be happy as a clam.

That would never be a filler! In fact we'd have to argue that Chloe was only doing it to lure the RBB into an interview!:lol:

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It's not Chloe & Davis, either.



*adapts your logic* Chloe is on SV as Clark's best friend. Chloe has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

No, if anything she'll have more to do with the destruction of his character by betraying Clark and aligning herself with DD.

[gilliang]

[Mod Edit]

[Polomontana]

Lois is good for a Clark save episode and everyone knows about Lois & Clark. This is filler material and it has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

Lois has replaced the wall of weird. She's good to fill episodes with a Clark save and his love interest but that's it.

[gilliang]

Lois is good for a Clark save episode and everyone knows about Lois & Clark. This is filler material and it has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

Lois has replaced the wall of weird. She's good to fill episodes with a Clark save and his love interest but that's it.

[Mod edit]

[abbaspice1]

Their was character development but Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman. Character development occurs in a filler episode.


And what does DD have to do with Clark becoming Superman?

And Lois does help Clark become Superman. Read the comics! He learns a lot from Lois and vice versa.

And the plot is Clark to become Superman. And he did take steps to becoming more like Superman in this episode. So much for no 'plot development'.

[Lexgirl33]

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[Timester]

Again, there was no plot development. Of course a filler episode advances the overall story between the characters.

Bruno Mannheim becoming the mob leader and promise that he will go after the costumed heroes? That sounds like... gasp... story progression.

And Chloe meltdown after dumping a body? More story progression.

AND the iconic Lois/RBB connection? Yep, more story progression.

[Sv.LoisLane]

Again, this is not Lois & Clark. Lois is in Smallville as Clark's love interest. Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

I'm so sick of Lois & Clark being brought up every.bleeping.time. It was 16 years ago for heaven's sake!

But I agree with you on one thing, Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman, because since 1938 he has always become Superman on his own. In every incarnation.
What Lois has something to do with, is her role in giving Superman a human side, which she has always done for 70 years and counting. And this "filler" was the proof of that.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

What are you talking about? Lois and Clark's development is an important part of Smallville, and all you have to do is view "A Hero's Passion" trailer to know that the producers were focussing on their relationship this season. It is one of the plots/arcs. Also, Clark evolving into Superman is a huge plot and has been since S1. The introduction of the RBB in Identity gave him a dual identity, which is extremely important in the Superman mythology.

Who said anywhere that she has to do with him becoming Superman? Clark is doing that, but his relationship with Lois Lane is a very important one. The show advanced their relationship, introduced the iconic triangle into their characters which is canon, moved along the Chloe betraying Clark/befriending falling for Davis storyline as well as introduced other DC villians from the Superman mythology to segway into next season.



I totally agree. How can people call this episode 'a filler'?

You cant get more un filler like than the redblueblur talking to Lois Lane about discussing himself.

Afterall, this is the first real talk between 'superman' and 'lois'.

I hate when people say Clark will become superman on his own. Everybody in Clarks past has an affect on the person he becomes, including Lois. Clark's personality and the future Superman personality is due to the people he has been around since the day he arrived at Earth, most notable his 'human parents'.

[Timester]

Again, this is not Lois & Clark. Lois is in Smallville as Clark's love interest. Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

What's so bad about L&C? Why a show that had 15 mil+ viewers and praised always used as an insult?

[Polomontana]

Bruno Mannheim becoming the mob leader and promise that he will go after the costumed heroes? That sounds like... gasp... story progression.

And Chloe meltdown after dumping a body? More story progression.

AND the iconic Lois/RBB connection? Yep, more story progression.

That's character development. it has nothing to do with the plot. A filler episode has character development and you can advance the story in a filler episode but it has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman. This is Smallville, not Lois & Clark.

[27CDruid]

but it has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

He asks for a diffferent name. This leads to him being called superman. Hence not filler.

[Timester]

That's character development.

Therefore, not a filler.


A filler episode has character development...

Wrong, a filler episode is plain status quo episode, either on the story and character development. Nothing that happens on a filler episode changes the show. If a character is developed and progress on an episode, then that episode it's simply not a filler, no matter what.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

I don't think that there's been one female actress on this show including AM and KK who haven't daunted some riske outfit!



I cant be exactly sure with what you are saying here, but the actresses themselves are the ones that determine how riske they want to go, and you can't judge their acting skills because of the morals that they behold.

[Mod Edit]

[Sv.LoisLane]

We all know ED beholds different morals to AM and KK when it comes to nudity.

Wait a minute over there. I seem to recall some pretty dangerous scenes for them too.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

That's character development. it has nothing to do with the plot. A filler episode has character development and you can advance the story in a filler episode but it has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman. This is Smallville, not Lois & Clark.

For me, I can read so many contradictions in this post, Im afraid.

If this episode is 'a filler' then they all must be, because I havn't seen as much progression with the redblueblue/Lois in a heck of a long time.

[Polomontana]

A filler episode doesn't mean there isn't any character development or advancing the general tone of the story.

This episode had nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

Next weak, based on the previews, that will have everything to do with Clark becoming Superman.

This episode was Clark being Clark and trying to help Jiimmy and Lois out of a jam. It had character development but not plot development. It advance the general story of Lois & Clark but it had nothing to do with Smallville.

[gilliang]

A filler episode doesn't mean there isn't any character development or advancing the general tone of the story.

This episode had nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

Next weak, based on the previews, that will have everything to do with Clark becoming Superman.

This episode was Clark being Clark and trying to help Jiimmy and Lois out of a jam. It had character development but not plot development. It advance the general story of Lois & Clark but it had nothing to do with Smallville.

:rotfl:

Oh lord. Next week ISN'T about Clark's progression to Superman. It's all about Chloe & Doomsday and how their little circus act hits the road..

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Wait a minute over there. I seem to recall some pretty dangerous scenes for them too.

Im speaking about the roles they play in other films.

[Polomontana]

I'm so sick of Lois & Clark being brought up every.bleeping.time. It was 16 years ago for heaven's sake!

But I agree with you on one thing, Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman, because since 1938 he has always become Superman on his own. In every incarnation.
What Lois has something to do with, is her role in giving Superman a human side, which she has always done for 70 years and counting. And this "filler" was the proof of that.

Exactly!

This is why it was a filler episode.

[Cogito17]

I just want to say that I liked this episode, and that I don't think Lois-centric episodes are bad ones, nor should we stop having them.

However, I do look at this as a filler episode (which does not make it a bad episode). I agree with what Timester said about a filler episode involving a return to the status quo. Judging by the upcoming episodes, I don't think anything that happened in this episode will have a lasting impact. Chloe is still at the Talon with Davis. Jimmy is still involved in some shady business. Clark and Lois are still at the DP. I look at the conversation between the RBB and Lois at the end of the episode the same way I look at the "cape" at the end of "Action" last season; a nice nod to the mythos, but I don't see them going anywhere with it. If, from here on out, there is a relationship between RBB/Lois, then I'll be proven wrong. But, given the number of episodes left in the season and the other story elements which need to be adressed, I don't see them developing either the RBB/Lois relationship or the Intergang threat this season. Thus, effectively leaving us at the "status quo" wherein we entered the episode.

[marverde508]

No more Chloe or Davis themed episodes please!! I would like MORE Lois centric episodes, especially ones full of MAJOR L&C goodness like we FINALLY got last night!

Edit: MORE Jimmy also, the trio was fantastic.

ITA, Lois is not to blame for the ratings, there was major competition last night, I'm 100% sure that the ratings are going to increase a lot once they fully start to develop superman mythology at the DP and full CLOIS ofcourse.

[Mickey_Bickey]

I totally agree. How can people call this episode 'a filler'?

You cant get more un filler like than the redblueblur talking to Lois Lane about discussing himself.

Afterall, this is the first real talk between 'superman' and 'lois'.

I hate when people say Clark will become superman on his own. Everybody in Clarks past has an affect on the person he becomes, including Lois. Clark's personality and the future Superman personality is due to the people he has been around since the day he arrived at Earth, most notable his 'human parents'.

Very well said, and I believe you just touched upon something that most people haven't, and that's the influence of Johnathan and Martha and why Clark is so noble, honest and ethical! Every person does affect him and helps to shape who he is. Life is all about relationships, and how our lives are affected and shaped by those around us, notably the ones we love and who love us!

[ginevrakent]

A filler episode doesn't mean there isn't any character development or advancing the general tone of the story.

This episode had nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

Even when this was the first episode where Clark made the first steps to becoming a public superhero--the symbol of hope and justice Jonathan told him was his destiny? Even when it included the first allusion to adopting a new superhero name that Lois would given him aka Superman. The truth is that Clark is very close to being Superman already. The only thing that separates TWClark from every other incarnation is that he is still not ready to go public. This episode clearly showed him making important steps toward that aspect of his journey.


Next weak, based on the previews, that will have everything to do with Clark becoming Superman.

Your going to have to explain this because, as far as I know, Clark isn't in this episode much because Tom Welling was preparing to direct Injustice and from everything we know it is all about the Chloe's Beauty and the Beast fantasy becoming a nightmare. Can you tell me how Clark is progressing as Superman in Beast?


This episode was Clark being Clark and trying to help Jiimmy and Lois out of a jam. It had character development but not plot development. It advance the general story of Lois & Clark but it had nothing to do with Smallville.

The "general story of Lois and Clark" is critical to Clark's story, and since it involves the triangle for two, it is a key piece of Clark becoming Superman. In short, is has everything to do with Smallville.

[Polomontana]

Lois might become more of the story if they do a spin-off and bring back Lois & Clark with Welling and Durance.

They have brought back 90210 and now their bringing back Melrose Place why not Lois & Clark?

Outside of that, the Lois & Clark love story is an interesting side note in Smallville because everyone knows how it ends up with them. This is all it is though.

[Timester]

Thus, effectively leaving us at the "status quo" wherein we entered the episode.

Nope. Bruno Mannheim is the leader of the Intergang, Chloe leaving a body on the dumpster which is how Clark finds that Davis is still alive next week and Lois decided to drop the RBB story. Far from the status quo.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Bruno Mannheim becoming the mob leader and promise that he will go after the costumed heroes? That sounds like... gasp... story progression.

And Chloe meltdown after dumping a body? More story progression.

AND the iconic Lois/RBB connection? Yep, more story progression.

Not to mention Jimmy going down a dark path! More story progression!

[Sv.LoisLane]

Exactly!

This is why it was a filler episode.

LOL. That's exactly why it wasn't.

A Superman without the human side that Lois Lane gives him would turn into Lex's pawn or would completely lose his "Clark" side.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Nope. Bruno Mannheim is the leader of the Intergang, Chloe leaving a body on the dumpster which is how Clark finds that Davis is still alive next week and Lois decided to drop the RBB story. Far from the status quo.

Thank you!

[asha14]

I just want to say that I liked this episode, and that I don't think Lois-centric episodes are bad ones, nor should we stop having them.

However, I do look at this as a filler episode (which does not make it a bad episode). I agree with what Timester said about a filler episode involving a return to the status quo. Judging by the upcoming episodes, I don't think anything that happened in this episode will have a lasting impact. Chloe is still at the Talon with Davis. Jimmy is still involved in some shady business. Clark and Lois are still at the DP. I look at the conversation between the RBB and Lois at the end of the episode the same way I look at the "cape" at the end of "Action" last season; a nice nod to the mythos, but I don't see them going anywhere with it. If, from here on out, there is a relationship between RBB/Lois, then I'll be proven wrong. But, given the number of episodes left in the season and the other story elements which need to be adressed, I don't see them developing either the RBB/Lois relationship or the Intergang threat this season. Thus, effectively leaving us at the "status quo" wherein we entered the episode. This is not a filler episode it was not in my opinion a very good one but not filler. This episode like the first NINE episodes of this season was all about Clark becoming Superman and double idenities. The producers even said that this season was going to be about that. Not everything is about Chloe and Davis. If anything IMHO the Clavis storyline has been about stalling Doomsday but just because I think that does not mean those eps are filler either. This season had about three filler eps Power. Requime and agrubly Abyss.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Very well said, and I believe you just touched upon something that most people haven't, and that's the influence of Johnathan and Martha and why Clark is so noble, honest and ethical! Every person does affect him and helps to shape who he is. Life is all about relationships, and how our lives are affected and shaped by those around us, notably the ones we love and who love us!

Thank you. You say it much better than myself.

Clark may be the one to consciously decide to become Superman, but the Superman that he becomes is due to the people that he has had around him in his life, and if Lois was around him before he becomes Superman, then of course she has to an affect on the person he becomes.

[ginevrakent]

I look at the conversation between the RBB and Lois at the end of the episode the same way I look at the "cape" at the end of "Action" last season; a nice nod to the mythos, but I don't see them going anywhere with it.

The cape scene at the end of Action wasn't just a nod to the mythos, it was mocking the mythos because Clark left the cape outside as he went back to the farmhouse to be with Lana. The phonebooth scene was different because it shows Clark moving forward towards his destiny as a result of his relationship with Lois rather than putting his destiny on hold for love.

Stiletto did not just give us the status quo. Something did fundamentally change. Clark made his first outing as a public superhero and Lois learned an important lesson about the ethics of journalism.

[-Nora-]

This episode was Clark being Clark and trying to help Jiimmy and Lois out of a jam. It had character development but not plot development. It advance the general story of Lois & Clark but it had nothing to do with Smallville.

I'm confused, the opening credits of Smallville list Tom Welling and Erica Durance as cast members, yet their story has nothing to do with Smallville? Those sneaks!

[27CDruid]

This episode had nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.


Ill take it you didnt read my previous post, in reference to this? Okay ill repeat myself. He is currently known as the RedBlue Blur and asks Lois to change his name. This will cause him to be called superman. Point proven.

[SCaL4ever]

Are you kidding me? Its probably because of the whole L&C dynamic that were even getting a season 9 and you want less Lois? Come on!

[ginevrakent]

Outside of that, the Lois & Clark love story is an interesting side note in Smallville because everyone knows how it ends up with them. This is all it is though.

Everyone knows how things end up with Clark and Doomsday as well. Davis inevitably will become a godless killing machine and Clark will die fighting him. Does this fact make it an insignificant side note? By your logic, Beast is the epitome of a filler episode.

[-Nora-]

everyone knows how things end up with clark and doomsday as well. Davis inevitably will become a godless killing machine and clark will die fighting him. Does this fact make it an insignificant side note? By your logic, beast is the epitome of a filler episode.

Word.

[Cogito17]

Again, I liked this episode, so whether it's considered "filler" or not is kind of irrelevant to me. Being filler does not somehow make it bad.

Personally, I think that if you did not watch this episode, you would be able to watch next week's episodes and the rest of the season without missing much, if anything.

If they develop Intergang or the RBB/Lois relationship throughout the rest of the season, then I'm wrong, but I don't think that will happen.

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Ill take it you didnt read my previous post, in reference to this? Okay ill repeat myself. He is currently known as the RedBlue Blur and asks Lois to change his name. This will cause him to be called superman. Point proven.

You know what?

It really is as simple as that:lol:

[Mickey_Bickey]

Lois might become more of the story if they do a spin-off and bring back Lois & Clark with Welling and Durance.

They have brought back 90210 and now their bringing back Melrose Place why not Lois & Clark?

Outside of that, the Lois & Clark love story is an interesting side note in Smallville because everyone knows how it ends up with them. This is all it is though.

Can you just answer me if you're aware that since 1938 Lois Lane has been a major part of the Superman story?

So, because ONE SHOW from the 1990's which focussed solely on Lois and Clark's romantic relationship from then on every time there's a Superman story that involves Lois Lane it's supposed to be compared to that one show? I didn't even watch that show! However, I love Smallville, and I love Superman! Lois Lane's character enhances the show and Clark's character!

Like I said before you should really study the DC comics and perhaps watch some of the CR movies (which were my favorite) to update yourself on Superman outside of Smallville and LnC! It might help to make you understand the role that Lois plays in his life and then you could revisit you're whole filler argument with more knowledge as to why this isn't a filler.

Lois Lane has always been there, and she'll be there long after Smallville ends!

[wingster55]

If it's filler it's only because the main plot of the ep doesn't serve the main plot of the season which is Doomsday.
However since the episode did advance that as well as the ongoing sub-plot of Lois and Clark it can't really be considered total filler.

[SnowBird]

I don't know how Stiletto could be considered filler when it is setting up the theme of S9. I expect Intergang will be coming next year. RBB talking to Lois for the first time alone was worth viewing the episode.

We have gotten so much attention focused on Chloe and Davis/Doomsday, it's nice to take a break from the dark side of Smallville. In fact if they had left out Doomsday for one episode it would have been okay with me.

Prepare yourselves because I think there will be more Lois episodes next season and I will be glad to have them. There is nothing better than Lois and Clark when you are watching a show about Superman.

[supes0]

Ill take it you didnt read my previous post, in reference to this? Okay ill repeat myself. He is currently known as the RedBlue Blur and asks Lois to change his name. This will cause him to be called superman. Point proven.


And he said when he's ready to go public, she'll be the first to know. So he's contemplating stepping out from the shadows as another identity.

Three big milestones in Clark's journey towards becoming Superman happened in Stiletto. He spoke somebody for the first time as a separate identity. He asked Lois to come up with a better name, He said he's going to go public at a later date.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Thank you. You say it much better than myself.

Clark may be the one to consciously decide to become Superman, but the Superman that he becomes is due to the people that he has had around him in his life, and if Lois was around him before he becomes Superman, then of course she has to an affect on the person he becomes.

Thank you, but you said it very well yourself!! I agree with you about Lois having a part in who he becomes as well!

[ginevrakent]

If it's filler it's only because the main plot of the ep doesn't serve the main plot of the season which is Doomsday.
However since the episode did advance that as well as the ongoing sub-plot of Lois and Clark it can't really be considered total filler.

The main plot of the season is not simply Doomsday. The main plot is about dual identities and Clark's development as a character and as a superhero.

[PatRicNasty]

I'm so sick of Lois & Clark being brought up every.bleeping.time. It was 16 years ago for heaven's sake!

But I agree with you on one thing, Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman, because since 1938 he has always become Superman on his own. In every incarnation.
What Lois has something to do with, is her role in giving Superman a human side, which she has always done for 70 years and counting. And this "filler" was the proof of that.

[MOD EDIT] Lois and Clark will always be brought up because Lois and Clark are the main characters of this show.
Secondly, he has not always become Superman on his own. In the movies, Jor-El leads Clark down the road to become the character of Superman. In the 90s show "Lois And Clark", Martha Kent helps him become Superman on Earth 1 and Lois helps him on Earth 2. Maybe on "Smallville" something different will happen.

[Mickey_Bickey]

The main plot of the season is not simply Doomsday. The main plot is about dual identities and Clark's development as a character and as a superhero.

I'd say the main plots this season is RBB, Doomsday and Clois. I'd even say the RBB is the main plot followed by Doomsday, then Clois.

[SGuthrie27]

I don't think that this was a filler episode at all, and I disagree that Lois-themed episodes should be over and done with (and this from a diehard Chloe fan/Chlarker). Lois is central to Superman mythos, and Erica Durance's performance of her has just gotten better and better as the series has progressed. I actually look forward to Lois episodes, and many of them have ended up being pretty important to the overall plot of the show. Once they introduced Lois to the Smallville mythos, everyone had to know that she'd become a more and more important character and would get more screentime.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[Mickey_Bickey]

I don't think that this was a filler episode at all, and I disagree that Lois-themed episodes should be over and done with (and this from a diehard Chloe fan/Chlarker). Lois is central to Superman mythos, and Erica Durance's performance of her has just gotten better and better as the series has progressed. I actually look forward to Lois episodes, and many of them have ended up being pretty important to the overall plot of the show. Once they introduced Lois to the Smallville mythos, everyone had to know that she'd become a more and more important character and would get more screentime.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

Very nice post!:)

[bigblueplanet]

The thing is even though you think this episode was a filler (which, by the way, I disagree), it still doesn’t mean the future Lois-centric episodes will be a filler, does it?

I understand you’re not fan of the Lois character and think her role is not so important because it’s SV, but as we can all see, the show has evolved noticeably this season and now Clark is working at DP, side by side with Lois whom Chloe herself told Clark in the ‘Hex’ as someone “part of his life now”. She might have nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman (and I hope not), but if the show line up with the Mythos as the producers recently stated once again, then, it definitely will be Lois (along with Jimmy) who will be playing more and more significant roles in the future as the show approaches its end. IMO

And while SV is the show about Clark Kent, Lois is on as much of a journey as every other supporting character who adds many layers into Superman universe in the future. The producers of S:TAS said, “Superman is only as good a hero as he’s surrounded by other terrific characters”, and I totally agree with this. And in SV, those *terrific* supporting characters at this point are Chloe, Jimmy, Oliver and Lois to me. (little less for Tess and Davis. :p)

When Superman era begins, Lois will become the second most important character no matter which universe is, imo, and I for one, can’t wait to see more of Lois-centered episodes that progress her character forward, becoming more closer to her iconic self, because more terrific she becomes as a reporter and as a person, more her future husband looks good, don’t you think so?

Because if Superman marries her, she must be the coolest woman in the world! ;)


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[-Nora-]

I don't think that this was a filler episode at all, and I disagree that Lois-themed episodes should be over and done with (and this from a diehard Chloe fan/Chlarker). Lois is central to Superman mythos, and Erica Durance's performance of her has just gotten better and better as the series has progressed. I actually look forward to Lois episodes, and many of them have ended up being pretty important to the overall plot of the show. Once they introduced Lois to the Smallville mythos, everyone had to know that she'd become a more and more important character and would get more screentime.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

If I could, I would give you a hug right now. Thank you.

[gilliang]

Lois and Clark are the main characters of this show.
Secondly, he has not always become Superman on his own. In the movies, Jor-El leads Clark down the road to become the character of Superman. In the 90s show "Lois And Clark", Martha Kent helps him become Superman on Earth 1 and Lois helps him on Earth 2. Maybe on "Smallville" something different will happen.






Secondly, you're misinterpreting her post because she IS a Clois fan...I think she was saying she hates the fact that whenever people want to bag on Smallville and Clois, they bring up how it's just another copy of LnC.

[SGuthrie27]

P.P.S. Thanks, Mickey_Bickey and Nora! :)

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Lois might become more of the story if they do a spin-off and bring back Lois & Clark with Welling and Durance.

They have brought back 90210 and now their bringing back Melrose Place why not Lois & Clark?

Outside of that, the Lois & Clark love story is an interesting side note in Smallville because everyone knows how it ends up with them. This is all it is though.

I think I finally see what you are trying to say here, however I'm afraid I will still have to disagree with you, sorry, because you are trying so hard.

I think you are trying to say that its becoming too much like L&C, are you? and you feel that Smallville has more to do with the other characters other than Lois.

Polomontana, you know they are going to have to introduce Lois into Smallville somewhere along the line and at least somehow match the stories up with L&C because thats just the way the story of Superman goes.

I'm afraid you are just going to have to accept that this is the way it's going to go, whether its too early for you or not.

[Sv.LoisLane]

Lois and Clark are the main characters of this show.
Secondly, he has not always become Superman on his own. In the movies, Jor-El leads Clark down the road to become the character of Superman. In the 90s show "Lois And Clark", Martha Kent helps him become Superman on Earth 1 and Lois helps him on Earth 2. Maybe on "Smallville" something different will happen.







And the point of my post was another, but you clearly missed it. Clark becoming Superman on his own didn't mean he did it all himself, but that the decision was his. :rolleyes:
And of course Lois and Clark will always be brought up, but it shouldn't be brought up as an excuse for Lois and Clark not to be playing out on Smallville.

[superjude]

Even as a female who does not run on the other side, but is very much into the male of the species and one who partly watches this show just to see Tom Welling- even I thought Lois looked Hot in that outfit! She did an awesome job! More Lois Please!!!!

[dotsie23]

I'm so sick of Lois & Clark being brought up every.bleeping.time. It was 16 years ago for heaven's sake!

Well, prepare to be bedridden every Thursday night Lois and Clark are a constant

But I agree with you on one thing, Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman, because since 1938 he has always become Superman on his own. In every incarnation.
What Lois has something to do with, is her role in giving Superman a human side, which she has always done for 70 years and counting. And this "filler" was the proof of that.

Not necessarily, Jor-El had some hand in Clark becoming Superman.

[Sv.LoisLane]

Not necessarily, Jor-El had some hand in Clark becoming Superman.

As I've said to the other user, I wasn't referring to the costume, the knowledge of all the languages or anything else others have done for him.
Superman is not the costume (the last issues of Birthright show that very well), he's the man inside it. And Clark decides to fight for justice, to help people, to be a hero using his own heart and head.

[SGuthrie27]

Well said, Sv.LoisLane! Exactly! And yeah, I was tempted to report that guy, too.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

And Clark decides to fight for justice, to help people, to be a hero using his own heart and head.

Yeah, but who taught him that in the first place??

Those all sound like traits of martha and jonathan kent.

I wonder what Clark would have decided to fight for if Lionel or any other parent had brought him up. World domination?

[Lexgirl33]

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[Violet-Shadow]

I didn't view this episode as "filler" because it showed great progression in Clark's journey to becoming Superman. This term is thrown around a lot, but I do believe that many parts of this episode were very ICONIC. The Clark/Lois/Jimmy scene, the phonebooth scene.

And, yes, it also showed progression in Lois' storyline. But she is the second most important person in Superman's story, so why not?

As another poster commented earlier, if this is filler, then please give me more of it!

[Black Panda]

However, I do look at this as a filler episode (which does not make it a bad episode). I agree with what Timester said about a filler episode involving a return to the status quo. Judging by the upcoming episodes, I don't think anything that happened in this episode will have a lasting impact.
I'd agree with a reasonable definition of filler being no major plot advancement. I'd agree there was not a lot of that in this episode on the surface.


If it's filler it's only because the main plot of the ep doesn't serve the main plot of the season which is Doomsday.

That sounds like a reasonable argument to me. I follow the logic that filler is the stuff that doesn't deal with the main plot arcs or deals with it only peripherally. The RBB stuff is more about Clark, and to some extent Chloe, wrestling with how to create a public persona. So Lois flirting with meeting that persona may feel filler-ish since she really isn't helping to craft that persona.

I'm mostly playing devil's advocate here though, because while I think there are decent arguments that the episode was filler, I actually thought there were a number of pretty significant plot points in this episode. Lois is shown to be unethical and motivated to help herself, also dangerous to be around. She is shown in contract to Chloe, who is making a potentially lethal mistake she thinks will help Clark and the world. So I think the episode is relevant to the question of how easily these girls get in over their head, and who is more over their head. This has been an ongoing conflict for years now and I hope that may come to a crisis soon.

Anyhow, I liked the episode. I found Lois more sympathetic than usual, as she aknowledged her mistake. I'd be perfectly happy without more Lois themed episodes though. She does often seem on the periphery of the main storyline, and tends to be a distraction from plots I tend to find more exciting.

[zHeN_zHeN]

The MORE Lois, the BETTER! ;)





Because if Superman marries her, she must be the coolest woman in the world! ;)



Yup, she's SUPER cool! :lol::D

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

Because if Superman marries her, she must be the coolest woman in the world! ;)


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Hhahahahahahahahaha.

That must be the lamest excuse I have ever heard to back up how cool Lois is.

For some strange reason though I just cant disagree with you.:D:D

[dotsie23]

As I've said to the other user, I wasn't referring to the costume, the knowledge of all the languages or anything else others have done for him.
Superman is not the costume (the last issues of Birthright show that very well), he's the man inside it. And Clark decides to fight for justice, to help people, to be a hero using his own heart and head.

I fully understand what you're saying and I'm not talking about the costume. I am talking about the knowledge and the mission which does play a part in it; that mission being his love for the human race. This was taught to him by Martha and Jonathan Kent, Jor-El, and yes, even Lois Lane played a significant role.

[Timester]

She does often seem on the periphery of the main storyline

Uh? Isn't the RBB the MAIN story of the entire show?


and tends to be a distraction from plots I tend to find more exciting.

Which doesn't make a filler.

[bigblueplanet]

Hhahahahahahahahaha.

That must be the lamest excuse I have ever heard to back up how cool Lois is.

For some strange reason though I just cant disagree with you.:D:D

Actually it’s not me who said it first. It was a Superman comic writer I think, I don’t remember who it was……
but I do remember the quote because I thought it was cool.

But I’m glad it makes you laugh, at least. We’re all here for fun after all, aren’t we? :p

[BadaBingBadaBoomsday]

We’re all here for fun after all, aren’t we? :p

Agreed, and some people should be reminded of this everytime they go to post.

(I include myself in that):lol:

[supes0]

Actually it’s not me who said it first. It was a Superman comic writer I think, I don’t remember who it was……


I believe it was Geoff Johns in a Newsarama interview.

[dotsie23]

I'm confused, the opening credits of Smallville list Tom Welling and Erica Durance as cast members, yet their story has nothing to do with Smallville? Those sneaks!

Yes! they're a crafty crew:)

[cloisthelegendbegins]

This was a filler episode.

If the story was that important it wouldn't have been second fiddle to the silly Stiletto.

They could have promoted the episode as "First Contact" and concentrated on the first contact between The blur and Lois. They could have still kept the silly Stiletto storyline and concentrated on this so called history making event.

They didn't. The producers thought Lois in a tight black outfit was more important and this is what they promoted.

Ergo, a filler episode emerged.

And AGAIN According to Wiki-Answers:

A 'filler episode' is one in which there is no plot development.

RBB/ Superhero/Secret identities episode with romantic relationship between Lois and Clark developed, Jimmy Olsen's story developed so we can see he's on a downward spiral, Chloe's story developed so we can see what it's costing her emotionally to keep Davis hidden, both Lois and Clark offering Chloe the chance to talk to them and Chloe turning it down - ALL OF WHICH leads into the FINAL THREE EPISODES.

Therefore = PLOT DEVELOPMENT.

Abyss was a filler because what happened in Abyss was flashbacks and recaps and the outcome of it was never revisited. Power was a filler because it did NOT advance any of season eights plots, it was done in flashbacks and recaps and was part of a stand alone arc to finish a season SEVEN storyline - and Requiem was the same minus the flashbacks.


Yes, this was a filler episode about Lois in a black tight suit. They thought the Stiletto story would sell but it didn't and that's why the ratings tanked.

11 SHOWS dropped in the ratings a GREAT MANY OF THEM in double figures percentage wise.



Filler episode:

A filler episode is generally an episode in which there is no plot development. Good filler episodes generally keep with the tone of the overall series while developing the original cast.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_a_filler_episode

The plot of this season is between Chloe, Clark and Davis and that's obvious and this is why the final episodes will concentrate on this story.

Well silly me, I thought this season and EVERY SEASON was about CLARK KENT'S JOURNEY and how the characters and events around him shape the man who becomes Superman. That journey involves ALL the characters in the opening credits - WHETHER PEOPLE LIKE IT OR NOT - and the things they do and how it effects CLARK. Of all the themes this season the Doomsday storyline has had NINE EPISODES focussed on it. The show has SEVERAL FANBASES to cater to and SEVERAL STORYLINES running concurrently and there are many fans who are not keen on the turn the Doomsday storyline has taken so to ram FOUR EPISODES of it BACK TO BACK down their throats seems risky at best. There is a balance to be maintained and so long as EVERY STORY has an impact on Clark in some way or another then it has done its job.


A good filler episode keeps with the tone of the overall story and it develops characters like Lois and Clark with the silly Stiletto.

So yes, this was a filler episode.

This is exactly what Stiletto does.

This episode developed the RELATIONSHIP between Clark and Lois and paralleled it with the relationship between Clark and Chloe while showing the difference between the Chlavis relationship at this point in time and the Clois relationship. Those relationships then have an impact on the Doomsday storyline as it progresses in the next three episodes. It also continued with the Jimmy storyline. It also developed the Lois and Clark relationship not only for this season but as a set up for season nine.


Again, there was no plot development. Of course a filler episode advances the overall story between the characters.

The changing relationships between the characters isn't plot development on a character based show? Chloe's mental state isn't plot development from Eternal to Beast? Lois Lane understanding the life of a superhero better by the end of the episode isn't plot development for a finale filled with superheroes? THE MAIN STORY OF SMALLVILLE regardless of what anyone may think is CLARK KENT'S JOURNEY to becoming Superman. Stiletto, whether people like it or not, DEVELOPED THAT PLOT from the pov of his relationship with Lois Lane and the widening rift in his relationship with Chloe Sullivan.


Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman. This is why Lois hasn't been in the story outside of Clark's love interest.

EVERY CHARACTER who is a part of CLARK KENT'S LIFE has an impact on him and therefore on the man he becomes, in the same way that EVERYONE who has family friends, love interests and enemies is shaped by their experiences with those people and the experiences they see those people have along the way. That is LIFE. And Smallville is a CHARACTER BASED SHOW.


The plot has to do with Clark becoming Superman. This is not Lois & Clark and this has nothing to do with the development

EVERY SINGLE PLOT has to do with Clark becoming Superman because that's the whole point and premise of the show!!! This is not the Lois and Clark show any more than it is the Chloe and Clark show or the Tess and Clark show or the Jimmy and Clark show or the Oliver and Clark show or the - really? Do I need to keep going to make my point???


[Mod Edit] Clark's love but she has nothing to do with the plot of Clark becoming Superman.

EVERY CHARACTER DOES and since she's one of the characters YES SHE DOES.


Again, this is not Lois & Clark. Lois is in Smallville as Clark's love interest. Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

See above.


Their was character development but Lois has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman. Character development occurs in a filler episode.

See above.


Lois is good for a Clark save episode and everyone knows about Lois & Clark. This is filler material and it has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

See above.


Lois has replaced the wall of weird. She's good to fill episodes with a Clark save and his love interest but that's it.

See above.


That's character development. it has nothing to do with the plot. A filler episode has character development and you can advance the story in a filler episode but it has nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman. This is Smallville, not Lois & Clark.

SEE ABOVE.

I don't know how many times you feel you have to repeat something, but IMO no amount of constantly repeating it - to the point where it's starting to feel like spamming - is going to change the minds of the people who disagree with you unless you can come up with valid points to refute their arguments or you can accept that some of their arguments have validity. If neither of those things happen then IMO this thread simply becomes an argument NOT a discussion.


A filler episode doesn't mean there isn't any character development or advancing the general tone of the story.

This episode had nothing to do with Clark becoming Superman.

And again with the repetitive statements and again I'll say SEE ABOVE.


Next weak, based on the previews, that will have everything to do with Clark becoming Superman.

Next week - the trailer that was based 99% on Chloe and Davis and 1% on Clark? That next week? How is what happens to Chloe and Davis any less a part of the things that impact Clark Kent's life than the things that happen to every other character? Oh yes, that's right, the lies and deceit will have no impact on him whatsoever. There's no chance at all he's be forced into a battle he never wanted. There isn't any chance people around him will DIE as a result. His relationships with characters won't change and therefore shape who he becomes.

If on the one hand you're saying that Lois doesn't effect Clark becoming Superman and you're agreeing with the people who say Clark becomes Superman on his own, then you can't in the next sentence say that other people and other events will make him become Superman - because he does it on his own, right? You're contradicting yourself.

So I'll say it again - EVERY CHARACTER and EVERY EXPERIENCE has an impact on Clark Kent and will help shape the man he becomes. That man is Superman.


This episode was Clark being Clark and trying to help Jiimmy and Lois out of a jam. It had character development but not plot development. It advance the general story of Lois & Clark but it had nothing to do with Smallville.

Clark being Clark as in the man who becomes Superman? Clark being Clark and helping the two people he will work with in the future and have as a friend and a wife respectively? Clark being part of another set of events that give him experience for the future? Seems to me all those things have to do with Clark. What happened to those characters had an impact on Clark. And since Smallville is all about CLARK KENT'S JOURNEY it is EVERYTHING to do with Smallville.


Exactly!

This is why it was a filler episode.

Say it as many times as you want. But I think it's more than clear that not very many people on this thread agree with you. And when they debate the point and all you do is come back with a standard repetitive answer, we're not really getting anywhere are we? I think you've made your point. You didn't like the episode. Other people did. Some people probably fell into the middle ground. C'est la vie. But typing the same response page after page isn't going to change anything IMO.


Uh? Isn't the RBB the MAIN story of the entire show?

Which doesn't make a filler.

EXACTLY. :rolleyes:

[bigblueplanet]

I believe it was Geoff Johns in a Newsarama interview.

Thanks, supes0!

I knew I’ve heard of it not so long ago. Yep, I also think it was him. I'm grateful for having such a great writer on Superman board who is also a big fan of Lois! :D

Oh, speaking of Geoff, I’d like him to write one more episode next season which this time...... includes Lois! :D

[Omen]

no episode that featured an Iconic end scene such as that leading to Clark's development as Superman (He asked Lois to come up with a new name for him) could be considered a filler, there was even the classic triangle coming into blossom.

As it has been said many times over, this episode was not a filler.

[LoveHurts38]

And AGAIN According to Wiki-Answers:

A 'filler episode' is one in which there is no plot development.

RBB/ Superhero/Secret identities episode with romantic relationship between Lois and Clark developed, Jimmy Olsen's story developed so we can see he's on a downward spiral, Chloe's story developed so we can see what it's costing her emotionally to keep Davis hidden, both Lois and Clark offering Chloe the chance to talk to them and Chloe turning it down - ALL OF WHICH leads into the FINAL THREE EPISODES.

Therefore = PLOT DEVELOPMENT.

Abyss was a filler because what happened in Abyss was flashbacks and recaps and the outcome of it was never revisited. Power was a filler because it did NOT advance any of season eights plots, it was done in flashbacks and recaps and was part of a stand alone arc to finish a season SEVEN storyline - and Requiem was the same minus the flashbacks.



11 SHOWS dropped in the ratings a GREAT MANY OF THEM in double figures percentage wise.




Well silly me, I thought this season and EVERY SEASON was about CLARK KENT'S JOURNEY and how the characters and events around him shape the man who becomes Superman. That journey involves ALL the characters in the opening credits - WHETHER PEOPLE LIKE IT OR NOT - and the things they do and how it effects CLARK. Of all the themes this season the Doomsday storyline has had NINE EPISODES focussed on it. The show has SEVERAL FANBASES to cater to and SEVERAL STORYLINES running concurrently and there are many fans who are not keen on the turn the Doomsday storyline has taken so to ram FOUR EPISODES of it BACK TO BACK down their throats seems risky at best. There is a balance to be maintained and so long as EVERY STORY has an impact on Clark in some way or another then it has done its job.



This episode developed the RELATIONSHIP between Clark and Lois and paralleled it with the relationship between Clark and Chloe while showing the difference between the Chlavis relationship at this point in time and the Clois relationship. Those relationships then have an impact on the Doomsday storyline as it progresses in the next three episodes. It also continued with the Jimmy storyline. It also developed the Lois and Clark relationship not only for this season but as a set up for season nine.



The changing relationships between the characters isn't plot development on a character based show? Chloe's mental state isn't plot development from Eternal to Beast? Lois Lane understanding the life of a superhero better by the end of the episode isn't plot development for a finale filled with superheroes? THE MAIN STORY OF SMALLVILLE regardless of what anyone may think is CLARK KENT'S JOURNEY to becoming Superman. Stiletto, whether people like it or not, DEVELOPED THAT PLOT from the pov of his relationship with Lois Lane and the widening rift in his relationship with Chloe Sullivan.



EVERY CHARACTER who is a part of CLARK KENT'S LIFE has an impact on him and therefore on the man he becomes, in the same way that EVERYONE who has family friends, love interests and enemies is shaped by their experiences with those people and the experiences they see those people have along the way. That is LIFE. And Smallville is a CHARACTER BASED SHOW.



EVERY SINGLE PLOT has to do with Clark becoming Superman because that's the whole point and premise of the show!!! This is not the Lois and Clark show any more than it is the Chloe and Clark show or the Tess and Clark show or the Jimmy and Clark show or the Oliver and Clark show or the - really? Do I need to keep going to make my point???



EVERY CHARACTER DOES and since she's one of the characters YES SHE DOES.



See above.



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SEE ABOVE.

I don't know how many times you feel you have to repeat something, but IMO no amount of constantly repeating it - to the point where it's starting to feel like spamming - is going to change the minds of the people who disagree with you unless you can come up with valid points to refute their arguments or you can accept that some of their arguments have validity. If neither of those things happen then IMO this thread simply becomes an argument NOT a discussion.



And again with the repetitive statements and again I'll say SEE ABOVE.



Next week - the trailer that was based 99% on Chloe and Davis and 1% on Clark? That next week? How is what happens to Chloe and Davis any less a part of the things that impact Clark Kent's life than the things that happen to every other character? Oh yes, that's right, the lies and deceit will have no impact on him whatsoever. There's no chance at all he's be forced into a battle he never wanted. There isn't any chance people around him will DIE as a result. His relationships with characters won't change and therefore shape who he becomes.

If on the one hand you're saying that Lois doesn't effect Clark becoming Superman and you're agreeing with the people who say Clark becomes Superman on his own, then you can't in the next sentence say that other people and other events will make him become Superman - because he does it on his own, right? You're contradicting yourself.

So I'll say it again - EVERY CHARACTER and EVERY EXPERIENCE has an impact on Clark Kent and will help shape the man he becomes. That man is Superman.



Clark being Clark as in the man who becomes Superman? Clark being Clark and helping the two people he will work with in the future and have as a friend and a wife respectively? Clark being part of another set of events that give him experience for the future? Seems to me all those things have to do with Clark. What happened to those characters had an impact on Clark. And since Smallville is all about CLARK KENT'S JOURNEY it is EVERYTHING to do with Smallville.



Say it as many times as you want. But I think it's more than clear that not very many people on this thread agree with you. And when they debate the point and all you do is come back with a standard repetitive answer, we're not really getting anywhere are we? I think you've made your point. You didn't like the episode. Other people did. Some people probably fell into the middle ground. C'est la vie. But typing the same response page after page isn't going to change anything IMO.



EXACTLY. :rolleyes:


Annie always love your post just to let you know:D:)

[Sue Denim]

I'm not sure this was filler myself. I was very apprehensive going into this show that I would enjoy it. The fact is, I did. If Chloe were excluded from the story entirely, I may be more inclinded to call this episode unnecessary to the last three of this season. As it was, the bit with AJ being pulled away from Chloe by Doomsday (unseen) and Chloe helping him does set context for the Beast (and presumably the two remaining).

At the end of the day, I would have felt left out if I had skipped this under the assumption of worthless filler.

But I can agree with the thread title: "No more Lois themed episodes...please"

[Violet-Shadow]

I think that it's alright to have Lois-centric episodes (and I want more!!!) but I do think that Clark should have more episodes centered around him than anyone else (and, IMO, he hasn't). This season we've had: Chloe-centric episodes, Davis-centric episodes, Oliver-centric episodes and even Lana-centric episodes. Each one of those episodes took the focus off of Clark - however, some, like this Lois-centric episode, showed Clark making major progression (mostly only some of the Chloe-centric episodes, IMO). However, I think this Lois-centric episode showed far more progression in Clark's journey than any of those other secondary character centric episodes.

And, anyway, tptb will always have episodes that focus on characters other than Clark and to demand that none of those go to Lois ever doesn't seem right, since she is in the cast. Each character should get at least one, especially if it progresses Clark's journey. As Stiletto did, if I haven't mentioned that. ;)

Edited to Add: Actually, each character should get one ONLY if it progresses Clark's journey, IMO. Glad that Stiletto did. My favorite episode of the season!

[Vindellavon]

RBB episodes aren't fillers, so it seems, but nonetheless, this episode made a lot mistakes, too many to count. Actually, it was just plain ol' bad, and a heck count of cliche. There won't be anymore Lois-centric episodes, so don't worry, it's all about Doom in the next three episodes. Finale, here I come!

[zHeN_zHeN]

RBB episodes aren't fillers, so it seems, but nonetheless, this episode made a lot mistakes, too many to count.
There were a lot of mistakes in Stiletto and also in Eternal. I wonder why. I guess the writers haven't been doing their homework.

[Polomontana]

Again, if we go by the definition of filler that some are using on this thread, there could never be a filler episode.

You have to seperate the general story and character development from the plot.

This was a filler episode.

Lois has nothing, I repeat nothing to do with Clark's development to Superman. Lois has never had anything to do with Clark becoming Superman. She's not on Smallville for that purpose. She's on Smallville because everyone knows about Lois & Clark.

This is not saying anything against Erica Durance, but Lois is an important aspect of the general story but not Clark's development.

You can always add filler episodes or story's with Lois and that's good because you have to do a full season.

Lois will get in trouble investigating something and then Clark will save her. That's it.

They have to keep her aloof and not part of the story because she knows what Clark looks like with or without glasses and they don't want her to know his identity so of course he has to be a blur to her unless Clark eventually erases her memory of him and the Kents. Then the glasses could hide his identity as Superman to Lois. She's not part of the development of Clark to Superman.

Lois is not their for Clark's development. There's no trial that Lois helps him overcome, there's no lesson that Clark learns from Lois.

She's not there for this purpose, she's good for the overall story but she's not essential to Smallville which is the development of Clark to Superman.

[fan of the man]

I love Smallville, I love the storys of Superman, Annie that was a great critique on what is a filler and what is not a filler, the writers are developing stories lines that will carry us thru the next three episodes into season 9. It would behuv us all to be like Clark and look for the best in people and events. The story will not be explained in one setting but thru many settings, be patience watch as the writers tell their version of Young Clark Kent becoming Superman. I am one who want Smallville to go on and I don't want Clark to be Superman now,for example the writers are showing us the process in which Clark will come up with a double idenity scheme, thru the recent episodes, Clark knows a mask want conceal his idenity, a uniform wants conceal his idenity, he will have to come across some supernatural camoflague who knoiws how that happens, maybe Jorel or someone else will render to him this ability so he can protect his identity and those he love. Some would say it is not believable, well a man from another planet that can fly and shoot fire from his eyes is believable. No! It is the story of a alien who becomes the son of a Kansas farmer and his wife, they raise him as a human with human values, yet he is far from human, he has god like attributes, but desire not to be god, but a good Samaritian, the people that come into his life developes his story especially the one true Love Lois Lane. I own all the superman videos and Dvds and I never get tire of the storys and each is told differently, but I love the story because Clark who could use his abilities for selfish purposes, chooses to live a hidden life using his abilties for the good of man. He is the man that all men desire to be, not the abilities but the character of the man of steel. I said all that to say this yes rating were down with the last episode, but rating all over were down not just Smalllville, I think the episode was a great episode as Annie illustrated all the story lines that were continuing to be develope. made it a great episode. I know there are people who wish that Smallville would have ended season 5, I am not one of those, I just ask that you don't rain on our desire to see the story continuing on. The writers and TPTB having done everything perfectly, but they have done a great job overall, and I will continue to be a loyal fan no matter who lives or dies, I will tune in on thursday night 8:00PM every week until the last broadcast.

[Violet-Shadow]

This was a filler episode.


You believe it was and others agree with you.

IA with others who have made the statment that it's not a filler episode and IA with why they stated what they did.

It think it's safe to say that whether or not this is a filler episode boils down to "IMO."

You think the episode was filler because it doesn't fit with the Doomsday storyline, right?

I think it's not filler because it fits with overall Superman mythology.

[amalie]

Again, if we go by the definition of filler that some are using on this thread, there could never be a filler episode.

You have to seperate the general story and character development from the plot.

This was a filler episode.

Lois has nothing, I repeat nothing to do with Clark's development to Superman. Lois has never had anything to do with Clark becoming Superman. She's not on Smallville for that purpose. She's on Smallville because everyone knows about Lois & Clark.

This is not saying anything against Erica Durance, but Lois is an important aspect of the general story but not Clark's development.

You can always add filler episodes or story's with Lois and that's good because you have to do a full season.

Lois will get in trouble investigating something and then Clark will save her. That's it.

They have to keep her aloof and not part of the story because she knows what Clark looks like with or without glasses and they don't want her to know his identity so of course he has to be a blur to her unless Clark eventually erases her memory of him and the Kents. Then the glasses could hide his identity as Superman to Lois. She's not part of the development of Clark to Superman.

Lois is not their for Clark's development. There's no trial that Lois helps him overcome, there's no lesson that Clark learns from Lois.

She's not there for this purpose, she's good for the overall story but she's not essential to Smallville which is the development of Clark to Superman.


In Smallville Lois is clearly a part of Clark's progession to becoming Superman. In fact, the only progression we get on his part is when we have a RBB centric episode like this one. It's not a filler, it's a detour from the DD arc but not a filler.

[ginevrakent]

I'm not sure this was filler myself. I was very apprehensive going into this show that I would enjoy it. The fact is, I did. If Chloe were excluded from the story entirely, I may be more inclinded to call this episode unnecessary to the last three of this season. As it was, the bit with AJ being pulled away from Chloe by Doomsday (unseen) and Chloe helping him does set context for the Beast (and presumably the two remaining).

At the end of the day, I would have felt left out if I had skipped this under the assumption of worthless filler.

But I can agree with the thread title: "No more Lois themed episodes...please"

I'm not sure why it's even being argued that the theme of Stiletto was "Lois Lane." Themes aren't characters, rather they are the main idea or underlying meaning of a literary work or, in this case, an episode of a television show. In fact, a theme would be whatever statement, opinion, or message that is conveyed in an episode. Themes can be conveyed through the feelings, thoughts, and conversations of the main characters in an episode. If anything, the theme of Stiletto wasn't Lois Lane, it was what it means to be a true hero and be true to yourself. Even Chloe, in her own twisted way, is just showing us a variation on what it takes to be hero, since she is experiencing what Lois described as a life of "solitude" as she pushes her friends away to, in her mind, keep them safe.

I think another theme was about the mistakes people make when they rush into things or get get too wrapped up in themselves. Jimmy in his poor emotional state is rushing into abandoning his job, his wife, and his sobriety. Chloe in her rush to protect Clark and find solace from her own emotional strife, has participated or advocated murder, put her trust in the wrong people, lost her Watchtower laptop, and is now becoming isolated and tormented as a result of her commitment to keeping Doomsday at bay. Lois was speeding in her fast lane to get her story that she neglected her journalistic ethics and put her loved ones in danger. Clark rushed into exposing his secret in Infamous, that he had to use the Legion ring to fix it. All of the characters are making mistakes because they are getting lost in a dilemmas based around the idea that ends justify means.

Finally, another theme is the one TPTB keep talking about--dual identities. This episode was certainly a continuation of that theme. Lois Lane--reporter or superheroine? Clark Kent--mild mannered reporter or superhero? Chloe's being torn between Clark and Davis and her Watchtower responsibilities and Jimmy being a photographer and a sweet guy who reminds Lois of her rules of reporting on the one hand, and a bar tender and drug addict on the other.

These themes have been important to the season and the series, and even though Lois' actions in many ways served as the catalyst for the events of the episode, the theme was certainly not her. Nevertheless, I think the episode was an important contribution to both character and plot development.

It is certainly your perogative to dislike Lois episodes because we're all partial to different things. However, I think episodes where Lois is involved in the action like Stiletto can contribute a great deal to the character and thematic development of the series. If we can sit through episodes like Eternal and Beast which are essentially Davis focused episodes, I think it only fair that Lois Lane, the future wife of Superman, friend of Jimmy Olsen, and star reporter for the DP be shown taking steps, and even stumbling a bit, on her journey to that destiny while simultaneously advancing the other main plots of Clark/RBB embracing his dual identity and Chloe's desperate attempt to protect Clark from his ultimate destroyer.

Were there problems with this episode? Certainly. I think the writing was a bit weak at times, there were some directing choices I didn't like, continuity mistakes were made (not nearly as many as Eternal), and yeah there were definitely cheesy moments. However, I think it's a credit to Erica Durance and the Lois Lane she has created with TPTB that in spite of all that this episode, IMHO, had action, romance, comedy, and drama while the characters and storylines progressed. I think Lois adds a very needed ingredient to Smallville, and I understand that not everyone has a taste for her character, but I certainly think her episodes are enjoyable and worthwhile.

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Again, if we go by the definition of filler that some are using on this thread, there could never be a filler episode.

Of course there can be filler episodes (see Abyss). Abyss was the definition of a filler episode. It had zero relevance to the plot, especially since it was retconned and forgotten. It was filled with flashbacks, which is one of the hallmarks of filler episodes. The only thing it had going for it was Clark developing a more positive relationship with Jor-el, but by the end of the episode even that was taken away and Jor-el has all but been forgotten.


You have to seperate the general story and character development from the plot.

These two things can't be separated. The general story, which is Clark's journey to becoming Superman, cannot happen without character development.


This was a filler episode.

I'm still not convinced.


Lois has nothing, I repeat nothing to do with Clark's development to Superman. Lois has never had anything to do with Clark becoming Superman. She's not on Smallville for that purpose. She's on Smallville because everyone knows about Lois & Clark.

If Lois has nothing to do with Clark's development to Superman, why is it that she is always the one to give him that name? Why is it that the first time he is publicly seen as the red and blue hero is when he is saving Lois Lane from a crashing space plane?


This is not saying anything against Erica Durance, but Lois is an important aspect of the general story but not Clark's development.


Lois is not their for Clark's development. There's no trial that Lois helps him overcome, there's no lesson that Clark learns from Lois.

She's not there for this purpose, she's good for the overall story but she's not essential to Smallville which is the development of Clark to Superman.

Even when Lois Lane on a real and symbolic level is showing Clark that the human race will accept and respect him as an alien superhero? Even when she was the one who encouraged him to join the DP?

[Polomontana]

Lois Lane has always been aloof about Clark/Superman. She has never had anything to do with Clarks development in the overall story or in Smallville now.

She's part of the love triangle between herself, Clark and Superman. Her story is seperate from Clark's development to Superman and this has always been the case and I applaud the writers for making this the case on this show.

Lois has to be oblivious to the story and that's part of the attraction to the Lois Lane character. Clark always goes to great length's to keep her seperate from the story until the later years.

[Clark/Lois-fan]

More Clark centric episodes please :D:D:D

And of course the lovely Lois Lane :D

[ginevrakent]

Lois Lane has always been aloof about Clark/Superman. She has never had anything to do with Clarks development in the overall story or in Smallville now.

She's part of the love triangle between herself, Clark and Superman. Her story is seperate from Clark's development to Superman and this has always been the case and I applaud the writers for making this the case on this show.

Lois has to be oblivious to the story and that's part of the attraction to the Lois Lane character. Clark always goes to great length's to keep her seperate from the story until the later years.

I understand what you're saying, but when TPTB decided to bring Lois Lane in at the beginning of S4 (they were actually fighting to get her on sooner), they made the conscious decision to make her a part of Clark's journey whether you like it or not. The same could be said of Lex, of Oliver, and of Jimmy.

She's still oblivious to Clark being the RBB or Superman and it's not like she's sewing his costume for him. She simply talked to the RBB on the phone much like MKLois did when she interviewed Superman on her balcony in Superman I. It was through her words that Superman--the alien hero from Krypton--was properly introduced to the world. Lois, through the events of Stiletto, is now slated to do the same considering that when Clark finally decides to tell the world his secret he stated he wants Lois to be "the first to know."

So yes, Lois is part of the triangle for two, she is aloof about Clark's heroic side, but her story is part of the larger story that Smallville is telling and a part of a larger mythos that TPTB are determined to line their show up with by the end. Lois is here to stay, and as a result episodes that feature her are inevitable. I for one am happy about that.

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More Clark centric episodes please :D:D:D

And of course the lovely Lois Lane :D

Yes, please! :)

[daxam77]

I think it's a little unfair to blame low ratings for any particular show on that show's content. If you haven't seen it you don't know the full content yet. The teaser scenes are not always representative of the entire show.

I think lower rated shows probably happen because of the reruns that happened in prior weeks. People may not want to watch a rerun so they forget to tune in when the new shows start up again.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Annie always love your post just to let you know:D:)

Thanks! :D


I think that it's alright to have Lois-centric episodes (and I want more!!!) but I do think that Clark should have more episodes centered around him than anyone else (and, IMO, he hasn't). This season we've had: Chloe-centric episodes, Davis-centric episodes, Oliver-centric episodes and even Lana-centric episodes. Each one of those episodes took the focus off of Clark - however, some, like this Lois-centric episode, showed Clark making major progression (mostly only some of the Chloe-centric episodes, IMO). However, I think this Lois-centric episode showed far more progression in Clark's journey than any of those other secondary character centric episodes.

And, anyway, tptb will always have episodes that focus on characters other than Clark and to demand that none of those go to Lois ever doesn't seem right, since she is in the cast. Each character should get at least one, especially if it progresses Clark's journey. As Stiletto did, if I haven't mentioned that. ;)

Edited to Add: Actually, each character should get one ONLY if it progresses Clark's journey, IMO. Glad that Stiletto did. My favorite episode of the season!

Great post. Bolded and underlined the parts I especially agree with.


Again, if we go by the definition of filler that some are using on this thread, there could never be a filler episode.

Okay then. So you bring us your definition of a filler episode and we'll debate it. To get anywhere that would however, IMO, involve you commenting on what part of people's opinions you disagree with and WHY and so far that hasn't happened. Instead we've had the same statements repeated over and over again and this post is no different.


You have to seperate the general story and character development from the plot.

I had to re-read this a few times. And my conclusion is the same every time... :confused:

1/ Without the general story - which is the basis of the show - there is no need for characters or plot.

2/ Without characters there is no-one to tell the general story and therefore there is no-one to base a plot around.

3/ Without a plot there is nothing for the characters to do to move their journey forwards and therefore progress the general story.

Your statement makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE in story-telling terms.


This was a filler episode.

Now where have I heard that before? Until you bring me YOUR definition of a 'filler' or comment on peoples' comments it can't be debated. Having just read your 'understanding' of basic story-telling I'm wondering if you even know or if it might just be better for you to say you hated the episode. Which is what this thread is all about IMO.


Lois has nothing, I repeat nothing to do with Clark's development to Superman. Lois has never had anything to do with Clark becoming Superman. She's not on Smallville for that purpose. She's on Smallville because everyone knows about Lois & Clark.

This is not saying anything against Erica Durance, but Lois is an important aspect of the general story but not Clark's development.

I'll say it AGAIN and will CONTINUE saying it - EVERY CHARACTER adds to CLARK'S JOURNEY.

By not spending time developing those characters they become the equivalent of cardboard cut-outs and are therefore pointless. Well rounded, three dimension characters add richness to the overall story and their experiences during that journey ADD TO CLARK'S experiences and therefore HIS JOURNEY which is the basis of the show.


You can always add filler episodes or story's with Lois and that's good because you have to do a full season.

The same goes for each and every character on Smallville so long as CLARK remains the central character throughout. Any character that is not given the screen time to develop their character and add to their journey as well as Clark's should not be there FULL STOP. And since Chloe, Lois and Jimmy are all part of the main cast they should have EQUAL TIME and attention devoted to them. Any story that doesn't add to CLARK'S JOURNEY is pointless.


Lois will get in trouble investigating something and then Clark will save her. That's it.

Because that doesn't make her a cardboard cut-out at all, does it? :rolleyes: The show doesn't show any of her progression as a character and in journalism or in her romance with Clark then everything is a lightswitch. The show takes the time to show progression of her character and her journalism career and her romance with Clark and it's wasted screen-time. Damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Smallville is a CHARACTER DRIVEN SHOW. Which part of that is so difficult to understand? And a character driven show will take the time to develop ALL the characters.


They have to keep her aloof and not part of the story because she knows what Clark looks like with or without glasses and they don't want her to know his identity so of course he has to be a blur to her unless Clark eventually erases her memory of him and the Kents. Then the glasses could hide his identity as Superman to Lois.

Oh for goodness sake. EVERY CHARACTER ON SMALLVILLE ADDS TO CLARK'S JOURNEY. Any number of characters have been introduced earlier than the majority of the original stories timeline. If that wasn't the case and they were following those stories to the letter then Doomsday wouldn't even be here this season and CHLOE SULLIVAN WOULD NOT EXIST. Lex, Jimmy, Lois, Perry and every other damn character on the show knows Clark without glasses so if the show has to erase the memory of one character to make it work then it has to erase the memories of ALL THE CHARACTERS.

Simple and irrefutable fact. LOIS LANE is ON Smallville and has BEEN THERE for five seasons now. That makes her a part of Smallville's version of the story WHETHER PEOPLE LIKE IT OR NOT.


She's not part of the development of Clark to Superman.

Yes SHE IS, because she's IN THE SHOW and because EVERY CHARACTER adds to Clark's journey. I'll say it again - repeating the same thing over and over again without adding to the discussion or listening to what others have to say is turning this thread into an argument.


Lois is not their for Clark's development. There's no trial that Lois helps him overcome, there's no lesson that Clark learns from Lois.

EVERY CHARACTER... why am I even bothering?


She's not there for this purpose, she's good for the overall story but she's not essential to Smallville which is the development of Clark to Superman.

If she's not there to add to Clark's story then she shouldn't be there and I say that as a Lois fan. Simple fact ONCE AGAIN is that she IS THERE and wishing her away or hating the fact she's there won't change that. A little understanding that EVERY CHARACTER has a purpose and a role to play and that EVERY CHARACTER has fans would go a long way IMHO.


I love Smallville, I love the storys of Superman, Annie that was a great critique on what is a filler and what is not a filler, the writers are developing stories lines that will carry us thru the next three episodes into season 9. It would behuv us all to be like Clark and look for the best in people and events. The story will not be explained in one setting but thru many settings, be patience watch as the writers tell their version of Young Clark Kent becoming Superman. I am one who want Smallville to go on and I don't want Clark to be Superman now,for example the writers are showing us the process in which Clark will come up with a double idenity scheme, thru the recent episodes, Clark knows a mask want conceal his idenity, a uniform wants conceal his idenity, he will have to come across some supernatural camoflague who knoiws how that happens, maybe Jorel or someone else will render to him this ability so he can protect his identity and those he love. Some would say it is not believable, well a man from another planet that can fly and shoot fire from his eyes is believable. No! It is the story of a alien who becomes the son of a Kansas farmer and his wife, they raise him as a human with human values, yet he is far from human, he has god like attributes, but desire not to be god, but a good Samaritian, the people that come into his life developes his story especially the one true Love Lois Lane. I own all the superman videos and Dvds and I never get tire of the storys and each is told differently, but I love the story because Clark who could use his abilities for selfish purposes, chooses to live a hidden life using his abilties for the good of man. He is the man that all men desire to be, not the abilities but the character of the man of steel. I said all that to say this yes rating were down with the last episode, but rating all over were down not just Smalllville, I think the episode was a great episode as Annie illustrated all the story lines that were continuing to be develope. made it a great episode. I know there are people who wish that Smallville would have ended season 5, I am not one of those, I just ask that you don't rain on our desire to see the story continuing on. The writers and TPTB having done everything perfectly, but they have done a great job overall, and I will continue to be a loyal fan no matter who lives or dies, I will tune in on thursday night 8:00PM every week until the last broadcast.

Great Post! Some great spec and some points I couldn't agree with more :)


But I can agree with the thread title: "No more Lois themed episodes...please"

Your whole post was very magnanimous Sue Denim and I REALLY appreciate that. But when it comes to this statement I just wanted to say we could change the name to Lois, Chloe, Jimmy, Davis, Tess, Oliver and every other character in the show and in arguments among fans we all know that's what tends to happen in a tit-for-tat fashion. One rule for one, one rule for all I say. But if that is the case then Clark will end up surrounded by cardboard cut-outs who don't add to his story and personally I don't want that for ANY of the characters, let alone Clark. I just think the show handles the balance very badly. In the case of Stiletto, Clark was pro-active and Superman-ly and I can only think that is good for the show overall. Plus the Chloe parts of this episode as a result of the main Stiletto plot made me sympathize with her in a way I didn't at the end of Eternal.

[Black Panda]

Uh? Isn't the RBB the MAIN story of the entire show.
No, he didn't show up until this season.

The show is more about Clark's mindset. The RBB is likely to be kind of stepping stone or detour on the path to Superman. Clark hinted that Lois might get to name the next step, but Chloe has named far more iconic characters and had a lot more to do with Clark accepting his mission.

Lois role in the RBB arc, as she said herself, has been picking up Jimmy's rebound. Lois role in this episode wasn't pivotal in that arc that I see, since she didn't discover anything about him or influence him to make changes.

Which makes the Stiletto dress up seem like it's a little irrelevant to the big picture, at least from that perspective. Infamous, by contrast, taught Clark an important lesson. Now from the "the audience isn't going to get what they expect just because they expect it" perspective, I think there is a lot of set up going on in the episode. Disappointing expectations of an interview yet again was part of that.

[bigblueplanet]

Lois Lane has always been aloof about Clark/Superman. She has never had anything to do with Clarks development in the overall story or in Smallville now.

She's part of the love triangle between herself, Clark and Superman. Her story is seperate from Clark's development to Superman and this has always been the case and I applaud the writers for making this the case on this show.

Lois has to be oblivious to the story and that's part of the attraction to the Lois Lane character. Clark always goes to great length's to keep her seperate from the story until the later years.

If you start talking about the “overall story” of Superman outside of SV, then, Chloe has absolutely nothing to do with Superman, let alone she even doesn’t exist outside of SV, so let’s stick to the SV here, shall we? (And if you start talking about other incarnations, then, I can show you the example where Lois literally made Superman.)

As many posters already said, Lois is part of the SV universe, so your idea of “Lois has nothing to do with Clark's development ” is not so relevant in this version of Clark Kent journey, IMO. Because reading your posts makes me wonder whether or not you refer other versions of Lois. I think you’ve heard as much as I do that people repeatedly say “This is Smallville, and it has its own continuity!”, haven't you? So by the same token, why can’t we assume that SV version of Lois has much bigger impact on Clark Kent becoming Superman?

Because in SV verse, she IS already heavily involved in Clark’s life. She is already someone very important for him. Do you agree with me? If you do, then why can’t she also help shape the man he becomes? If you don’t agree, then, we’re probably not watching the same show.


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[abbaspice1]

If you start talking about the “overall story” of Superman outside of SV, then, Chloe has absolutely nothing to do with Superman, let alone she even doesn’t exist outside of SV, so let’s stick to the SV here, shall we? (And if you start talking about other incarnations, then, I can show you the example where Lois literally made Superman.)

As many posters already said, Lois is part of the SV universe, so your idea of “Lois has nothing to do with Clark's development ” is not so relevant in this version of Clark Kent journey, IMO. Because reading your posts makes me wonder whether or not you refer other versions of Lois. I think you’ve heard as much as I do that people repeatedly say “This is Smallville, and it has its own continuity!”, don’t you? So by the same token, why can’t we assume that SV version of Lois has much bigger impact on Clark Kent becoming Superman?

Because in SV verse, she IS already heavily involved in Clark’s life. She is already someone very important for him. Do you agree with me? If you do, then why can’t she also help shape the man he becomes? If you don’t agree, then, we’re probably not watching the same show.


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ITA!

According to mythos, Jimmy, Chloe, Lex, etc had NOTHING to do with Clark becoming Superman. So Polomontana's whole argument has tons of holes in it.

If we are talking about SV's incarnation of the story, then Lois DOES have something to do with Clark becoming Superman, because that is what the show is showing!

Can't have it both ways, can't quotes mythos one minute and then say "Chloe/Davis" the next.

[Violet-Shadow]

No, he didn't show up until this season.

The show is more about Clark's mindset. The RBB is likely to be kind of stepping stone or detour on the path to Superman. Clark hinted that Lois might get to name the next step, but Chloe has named far more iconic characters and had a lot more to do with Clark accepting his mission.

Lois role in the RBB arc, as she said herself, has been picking up Jimmy's rebound. She's not the most important piece, and this episode wasn't pivotal in that arc that I see, since she didn't discover anything about him or influence him to make changes.

Maybe the show's main story isn't the RBB but it is about Clark's journey to becoming Superman. The RBB is a one more step closer to Superman.

What iconic characters has Chloe named (that are are far more iconic than RBB)? and how does she have a lot do with Clark accepting his mission?

Lois' storyline had WAY more do with than "picking up Jimmy's rebound." The end scene showed why exactly. She is the future confidant of Superman, and she will pick his name, as was shown in the phone booth scene.

[ginevrakent]

No, he didn't show up until this season.

The show is more about Clark's mindset. The RBB is likely to be kind of stepping stone or detour on the path to Superman. Clark hinted that Lois might get to name the next step, but Chloe has named far more iconic characters and had a lot more to do with Clark accepting his mission.

The name the RBB or the concept of him may be new this year, but as Jimmy showed in his discussion with Clark at the farm in Identity, the red and blue clad hero saving people in Smallville and Metropolis has been around for much longer than that. The RBB is certainly a stepping stone to Superman, but it is an important part that is linked to development that has come before.

I don't think it matters how many heroes Chloe has named, we have foreshadowing from Stiletto and Superman canon suggesting that Lois will be the one to provide the name Superman. Also, I agree that Chloe has played a very important part in Clark embracing his role as a hero, but it's the same thing as with the naming of Superman. Being Clark's BFF and sidekick, his link to his childhood, is Chloe's role and she fills it well, for the most part (there are more and more conflicts between them of late). However, Lois' role is different and rightfully so. She contributes something unique to Clark's journey, which is why Lois centered episodes like Stiletto are valuable.

[Polomontana]

I think some people want Lois to be apart of Smallville and Clark's development but she's not.

There's two stories and both are very important. There's Clark's development to Superman and then there's the Lois, Clark and Superman story. I think the writers have done a great job at keeping the two stories seperate.

Lois Lane is an important part of the overall story but she's not essential to Clark's development in Smallville and she shouldn't be.

Her story is important in it's own right and she doesn't have to be part of Clark's development in Smallville.

I understand fans wanting ED to be essential to Smallville but she's not. The Lois Lane character story is important independent of the Smallville story and never the twain shall meet, at least in my eyes.

I think both stories are important but they are seperate stories.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

^^^ Just out of curiosity and without meaning to be rude but are you even reading what anyone else is saying or are you just gonna keep saying what you think without adding to the discussion?

[abbaspice1]

I think some people want Lois to be apart of Smallville and Clark's development but she's not.

There's two stories and both are very important. There's Clark's development to Superman and then there's the Lois, Clark and Superman story. I think the writers have done a great job at keeping the two stories seperate.

Lois Lane is an important part of the overall story but she's not essential to Clark's development in Smallville and she shouldn't be.

Her story is important in it's own right and she doesn't have to be part of Clark's development in Smallville.

I understand fans wanting ED to be essential to Smallville but she's not. The Lois Lane character story is important independent of the Smallville story and never the twain shall meet, at least in my eyes.

I think both stories are important but they are seperate stories.

But how can that make sense, when the writers and producers brought Lois onto the show? And it further makes no sense when the writers/producers told us that Chloe was created to be a Lois-like character?

Again, the writers of Smallville MEANT for Lois to be in the picure, whether you like it or not.

[ginevrakent]

I think some people want Lois to be apart of Smallville and Clark's development but she's not.

There's two stories and both are very important. There's Clark's development to Superman and then there's the Lois, Clark and Superman story. I think the writers have done a great job at keeping the two stories seperate.

Lois Lane is an important part of the overall story but she's not essential to Clark's development in Smallville and she shouldn't be.

Her story is important in it's own right and she doesn't have to be part of Clark's development in Smallville.

I understand fans wanting ED to be essential to Smallville but she's not. The Lois Lane character story is important independent of the Smallville story and never the twain shall meet, at least in my eyes.

I think both stories are important but they are seperate stories.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude, but you're just repeating yourself here. Annie and several others have addressed these points ad nauseum and you haven't addressed their points in turn. Instead, you keep rehashing the same arguments, and honestly, I'm not even sure you're making sense.

[RedKRules]

I don´t mind Lois having a centric episode, I mean all characters of this show has one don´t they ??

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I don´t mind Lois having a centric episode, I mean all characters of this show has one don´t they ??

Precisely.

[bigblueplanet]

^^^ Just out of curiosity and without meaning to be rude but are you even reading what anyone else is saying or are you just gonna keep saying what you think without adding to the discussion?

I'm curious too, Polomontana.

Please respond to this question. So we know whether or not this thread is worth our time for responding to.

[Polomontana]

I don't understand why people can't see that Lois has a story that stands on it's own. Lois does not have to be apart of Clark's development in Smallville and I'm glad she's not.

When has the Lois Lane and Cllark story every needed justification from Clark's development in Smallville?

It's a seperate but no less important part of the overall story but it's not essential to Clark's development to Superman.

[abbaspice1]

I don't understand why people can't see that Lois has a story that stands on it's own. Lois does not have to be apart of Clark's development in Smallville and I'm glad she's not.

When has the Lois Lane and Cllark story every needed justification from Clark's development in Smallville?

It's a seperate but no less important part of the overall story but it's not essential to Clark's development to Superman.

Can you please respond to people's arguments? I would like to see where you are coming from, but you are just repeating the same thing over and over and over again. Ton;s of folks have responded to you, laying out their arguments and perceptions, you have not.

[ginevrakent]

I don´t mind Lois having a centric episode, I mean all characters of this show has one don´t they ??

Thank you. It's nice for every character to have some time in the limelight to struggle, to grow, and to contribute to Clark's arc. It's what makes Smallville so fun to watch. We're lucky to have such a beautiful and talented group of actors bringing wonderfully rich characters to life for so many years. They all have had moments both good and bad, but sometimes I think I love them more for it.

[Polomontana]

MOD EDIT

People can't seperate the Lois & Clark story from the Smallville story. These have always been two seperate things.

I understand the desire of Erica Durance fans but it doesn't change the facts.

Lois Lane is important independent of Smallville. I think the writers know this and they keep her away from Clark's development.

MOD EDIT

[ginevrakent]

I don't understand why people can't see that Lois has a story that stands on it's own. Lois does not have to be apart of Clark's development in Smallville and I'm glad she's not.

When has the Lois Lane and Cllark story every needed justification from Clark's development in Smallville?

It's a seperate but no less important part of the overall story but it's not essential to Clark's development to Superman.

If Lois's story stands on its own, please explain her story. Remember to avoid discussing any plot that developed her character that involved Clark, though.

Also, please provide us with specific criteria for what types of plots actually are essential to Clark's development.

[abbaspice1]

MOD EDIT

People can't seperate the Lois & Clark story from the Smallville story. These have always been two seperate things.

I understand the desire of Erica Durance fans but it doesn't change the facts.

Lois Lane is important independent of Smallville. I think the writers know this and they keep her away from Clark's development.

MOD EDIT

Okay, let's look at it from the writers/producers point of view: They wanted Lois to be on the show from the get-go. They couldn't get the rights, so they created Chloe-- a Lois-type character. The they got the rights, and brought Lois n the show...something they wanted to do from the beginning.

In other words, the producers/writers of SV wanted Lois to have a hand in the development of Superman.

Now, if you are arguing from a 'mythos' POV insead of a SV POV (which at times, you seem to do), they again, you previous statements don't hold water, because Chloe is not part of the mythos, and DD doesn't appear until well after Clark becomes Superman, as well as most versions of Lex.

[RedKRules]

MOD EDIT

People can't seperate the Lois & Clark story from the Smallville story. These have always been two seperate things.

I understand the desire of Erica Durance fans but it doesn't change the facts.

Lois Lane is important independent of Smallville. I think the writers know this and they keep her away from Clark's development.

MOD EDIT

I respectfully disagree with you .... all characters of this show are somehow connected with Clark Kent and bring something good for him and for the show in their own specific, unique way.

[THEcrownsMINE]

I like Lois, but sometimes episodes with her (like this one) annoy me somehow. Seriously, who wears a strapless black tube top to work? AT A NEWSPAPER NO LESS!! I agree with the very first post, the producers (or possibly costume designers) are kind "obsessed"-ish with her body. I think Lois should wear semi-modest clothes sometimes lol. :)

[ginevrakent]

MOD EDIT

People can't seperate the Lois & Clark story from the Smallville story. These have always been two seperate things.

I understand the desire of Erica Durance fans but it doesn't change the facts.

Lois Lane is important independent of Smallville. I think the writers know this and they keep her away from Clark's development.

MOD EDIT

The Smallville story INCLUDES Lois Lane. She is a part of Clark's past on the show, a part of his present, and BIG part of his future. No one exists in a vacuum. Lois grows as a result of her interactions with other characters and they grow as a result of interacting with her.

And I don't quite get what "facts" you're talking about. We're not allowed to state opinions as facts, and it seems like it's only your opinion that Lois shouldn't be part of Clark's journey to becoming Superman.

We're not even strictly ED fans. I mean I LOVE her, but I am a Lois Lane fan, and more importantly a CLARK fan, and Lois is a part of his world and his journey. Their lives intersect like the stars that collided in the heavens in one of Lois' early episodes called Lucy. Now if you mean the "Lois & Clark story" as in the story similar to "Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman," well that's a totally different show. Smallville is doing it's own thing, and it includes Lois being a part of the Clark to RBB to Superman journey currently being played out this season and beyond.

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I respectfully disagree with you .... all characters of this show are somehow connected with Clark Kent and bring something good for him and for the show in their own specific, unique way.

Again, thank you for this. You hit the nail on the head.

[abbaspice1]

I respectfully disagree with you .... all characters of this show are somehow connected with Clark Kent and bring something good for him and for the show in their own specific, unique way.

ITA!

[ginevrakent]

I like Lois, but sometimes episodes with her (like this one) annoy me somehow. Seriously, who wears a strapless black tube top to work? AT A NEWSPAPER NO LESS!! I agree with the very first post, the producers (or possibly costume designers) are kind "obsessed"-ish with her body. I think Lois should wear semi-modest clothes sometimes lol. :)

When has Lois worn a strapless black tube top to work? In Stiletto, she came directly to the DP from the Murrow event and the mugging so she was still wearing her dress. If you are referring to the Plastique stills, that was a behind the scenes shot of ED and TW rehearsing that scene. Lois wore professional and modest clothes in Stiletto. See the final DP scene, for example.

[Polomontana]

If Lois's story stands on its own, please explain her story. Remember to avoid discussing any plot that developed her character that involved Clark, though.

Also, please provide us with specific criteria for what types of plots actually are essential to Clark's development.

I can do that easily.

A story that has to do directly with Clark's development is when he didn't listen to Jorel and he lost his father Jonathan.

This is directly related to Clark's development.

If ED fans would take time to notice, the writers were developing the Lois Lane character seperate of the Smallville story hence her evolution to a reporter at the Daily Planet.

Lois went from this girl without direction to being a reporter and this is all to lead to the story of Lois & Clark which has nothing to do with Smallville and Clark's development.

Fans of ED should realize that Lois & Clark story stands on it's own and it's seperate from Clark's development.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I don't understand why people can't see that Lois has a story that stands on it's own. Lois does not have to be apart of Clark's development in Smallville and I'm glad she's not.

And I don't understand why you can't see that every character on Smallville has a story of their own - their own journey - that adds to and develops the character which in turn adds to and develops Clark's storyline. If that is not the case then that character should not be on Smallville. It's the same rule for ALL THE CHARACTERS.


When has the Lois Lane and Cllark story every needed justification from Clark's development in Smallville?

When has Clark's story needed 'justification' from ANYONE? In every other version of the Superman story well known to fans he became Superman by his own choice and THEN faced the many villains we know while forming relationships with Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen and several others. On Smallville EVERY CHARACTER adds to his story, it's as simple as that. No man is an island as the saying goes. I can cite at least a dozen people who have added to my life, whose lives run parallel to mine at the same time and who have had an influence on the person I've become. Why would Clark be any different?


It's a seperate but no less important part of the overall story but it's not essential to Clark's development to Superman.

By removing ANY of the main characters Smallville has included in Clark's journey, the show is removing a part of the bigger puzzle. Once again - Smallville is a CHARACTER driven show and Lois Lane is but one of those characters. If you're saying that every character's story has nothing to do with Clark's development as Superman then there is no reason for Chloe-centric, Oliver-centric, Lana-centric, Lex-centric, Jimmy-centric or anyone else-centric episodes to have anything to do with Clark. Is that what you're saying?

If you're saying every character is no less important in the overall story - the story that IS Clark's development to Superman - then you're contradicting yourself by saying Lois shouldn't have any more of a role than everyone else. They're either important or they're not. They either add to the story or they don't. And since the story is Clark's journey to becoming Superman and he is therefore the focus of the entire show I'm saying every character must therefore have an impact of Clark whether their journey's run parallel with his or not.

One rule for one, one rule for all.

[ginevrakent]

Fans of ED should realize that Lois & Clark story stands on it's own and it's seperate from Clark's development.

I must reiterate that you should probably not address your statements to ED fans. This isn't about an actress at all. We're talking about a character, so can we please just leave Erica Durance out of it? Plus, my position on this issue has nothing to do with liking Erica Durance.

As for your statement, it doesn't make sense. Lois & Clark, includes Clark i.e. part of Clark's development includes Lois Lane.

[Timester]

Fans of ED should realize that Lois & Clark story stands on it's own and it's seperate from Clark's development.

Really? Says who?

Then Chlavis story stands on its own and its also seperate from Clark's development. Why? Because the Red Blue Blur arc has nothing to do with Doomsday.

Unless, of course, you consider the Red Blue Blur not part of Clark's development too. Then we enter on silly land season.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I like Lois, but sometimes episodes with her (like this one) annoy me somehow. Seriously, who wears a strapless black tube top to work? AT A NEWSPAPER NO LESS!! I agree with the very first post, the producers (or possibly costume designers) are kind "obsessed"-ish with her body. I think Lois should wear semi-modest clothes sometimes lol. :)

Well you're entitled to your opinion but from my point of view every woman on the planet has the right to choose. It's called sexual liberation.

[Violet-Shadow]

I don´t mind Lois having a centric episode, I mean all characters of this show has one don´t they ??

They do and they will. It's just the nature of the show...

And, also, like Annie posted, this is a character driven show. So there will be episodes centered around each character (though Clark should still get the most!).

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I like Lois, but sometimes episodes with her (like this one) annoy me somehow. Seriously, who wears a strapless black tube top to work? AT A NEWSPAPER NO LESS!! I agree with the very first post, the producers (or possibly costume designers) are kind "obsessed"-ish with her body. I think Lois should wear semi-modest clothes sometimes lol. :)

I'm all for modest dressing and I think Lois was modestly dressed throughout the episode, except when she was Stiletto, and how was she dressed any differenly than other DC female heroines (such as Wonder Woman?)? I don't think the producers are obsessed with her body as I haven't seen her ever dressed in skimpy outfits.

[abbaspice1]

I can do that easily.

A story that has to do directly with Clark's development is when he didn't listen to Jorel and he lost his father Jonathan.

This is directly related to Clark's development.

If ED fans would take time to notice, the writers were developing the Lois Lane character seperate of the Smallville story hence her evolution to a reporter at the Daily Planet.

Lois went from this girl without direction to being a reporter and this is all to lead to the story of Lois & Clark which has nothing to do with Smallville and Clark's development.

Fans of ED should realize that Lois & Clark story stands on it's own and it's seperate from Clark's development.


First off, this IS NOT ABOUT ED or her fans!!!!!

It is about Lois and Clark and how their stories have intertwined on SV. Again, you basically ignored my post about the intentions of the writer/producers of the show.

Next, you ignored the BIG FACT that every character on SV has their own story that is built up ALONGSIDE Clark's story. Every character on the show influences Clark into becoming the Superman. You may not like the fact that LOIS is part of the SV story, but she is, and is helping Clark along his journay and she continues hers (just like Chloe, Jimmy, Lex, Oliver, Tess and Bloom/DD).

[Polomontana]

Really? Says who?

Then Chlavis story stands on its own and its also seperate from Clark's development. Why? Because the Red Blue Blur arc has nothing to do with Doomsday.

Unless, of course, you consider the Red Blue Blur not part of Clark's development too. Then we enter on silly land season.

Nope, Doomsday and Clark are directly related to Clark's development.

Also, Chloe knows where Davis is from and what he's capable of doing to Clark. This is essential to Clark's development to Superman and it will be obvious in these last three episodes when Clark is tested.

What you will not find in these last three episodes, and this is my guess, is much talk about the red/blue blur.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I would bet that I'm right because that story is between Clark and Lois which is independent of Clark's development.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

I can do that easily.

A story that has to do directly with Clark's development is when he didn't listen to Jorel and he lost his father Jonathan.

This is directly related to Clark's development.

If ED fans would take time to notice, the writers were developing the Lois Lane character seperate of the Smallville story hence her evolution to a reporter at the Daily Planet.

I don't see why we're addressing ED fans when we're discussing Lois Lane.

Okay. So the writers are developing the Lois Lane character separate of the Smallville story. And how exactly are they doing that? She's IN the story. She is Chloe Sullivan's cousin - an original character in the Smallville story. She lived at the Kent farm with Clark Kent - who is the key to the Smallville story. She has learnt from Clark Kent. She has interacted with his parents. She worked with him to track down her cousin when her cousin was supposed to be dead and together they killed the guy who was trying to kill Chloe when Chloe was found to be alive. She has given Clark advice. Clark was there for her when she broke up with Ollie, Lois was there for Clark when he broke up with Lana.

I can cite DOZENS of examples where both Clark AND Lois' journey's have overlapped or entwined or had an influence on the characters. THAT makes Lois Lane a part of the SMALLVILLE STORY. It means at times their journey's will run parallel to each other as well as having an impact on the overall story of Clark becoming Superman.

So I don't get your point frankly.



Lois went from this girl without direction to being a reporter and this is all to lead to the story of Lois & Clark which has nothing to do with Smallville and Clark's development.

Lois went from a girl without direction to being a reporter how exactly? Well let's see - she came to Smallville, met Clark Kent, together they investigated her cousins supposed death, then she went to Smallville High where she worked at the Torch on her cousins suggestion, then Clark sneezed a barn door into a field beside her and she chased the story which then in turn led to her to becoming interested in journalism. I can keep going if you need more. But her path is ENTWINED with Clark's both directly and indirectly via her cousin Chloe.


Fans of ED should realize that Lois & Clark story stands on it's own and it's seperate from Clark's development.

Again with the ED fans and please refrain from telling people what they should and shouldn't think.

IN OTHER FORMS OF THE MEDIA that is the case. NOT in Smallville because Smallville has changed things. In Smallville Lois Lane IS part of the overall story of Clark Kent's journey to becoming Superman. As are ALL the characters.

[RedKRules]

They do and they will. It's just the nature of the show...

And, also, like Annie posted, this is a character driven show. So there will be episodes centered around each character (though Clark should still get the most!).


Yes, I agree Clark should get the most .... and that is what makes Smallville different .... it shows how each character is struggling with their own lives problems, achiviements, failures, and it gives the characters a real meaning and let us know how their journey affects Clark´s.

[KSiteTV]

Lois has nothing, I repeat nothing to do with Clark's development to Superman.

What about the whole part where she gets rescued and she is the one to name him Superman?

Also, please people, don't talk about fans or fan groups in here. I know in some cases you're not trying to break forum rules, but it is happening, so please cut it out :)

[borednow]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I would bet that I'm right because that story is between Clark and Lois which is independent of Clark's development.

... I'm confused how is a story where Clark is one of the main players be independent of Clark?

[Polomontana]

First off, this IS NOT ABOUT ED or her fans!!!!!

It is about Lois and Clark and how their stories have intertwined on SV. Again, you basically ignored my post about the intentions of the writer/producers of the show.

Next, you ignored the BIG FACT that every character on SV has their own story that is built up ALONGSIDE Clark's story. Every character on the show influences Clark into becoming the Superman. You may not like the fact that LOIS is part of the SV story, but she is, and is helping Clark along his journay and she continues hers (just like Chloe, Jimmy, Lex, Oliver, Tess and Bloom/DD).


Nope, every character on the show is not tied to Clark's development.

Jimmy and Lois have nothing to do with Clark's development.

There story is seperate and it's always been. They get in trouble and the Blur/Superman helps. They almost figure out that Clark's the blur/Superman and that's their story along with the triangle between Lois, Clark and Superman.

The show has to have filler episodes to fill up a season and Lois and Jimmy are great for this because their story is seperate from Clark's development.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

What you will not find in these last three episodes, and this is my guess, is much talk about the red/blue blur.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I would bet that I'm right because that story is between Clark and Lois which is independent of Clark's development.

The RBB storyline line that is part of the running theme of SECRET IDENTITIES? THAT RBB storyline? The RBB storyline that is part of Clark developing a secret identity? The RBB storyline that has Clark rescuing people in Metropolis which therefore makes it a prototype identity for the later persona of Superman? That RBB storyline?

Clark's relationship with Lois Lane PRE-EXISTED that storyline. The existence of the RBB has now added an extra dimension to their relationship. IT IS NOT the sole reason for the RBB storyline.

The RBB is to Clark what Davis is to Doomsday. That's but one of the parallels of this season. Therefore the final battle will be as much between Clark and Davis as it is between the RBB and Doomsday, the former being the dilemma Clark has when it comes to killing Doomsday the way people like Chloe and later Oliver suggest he does.

[abbaspice1]

... I'm confused how is a story where Clark is one of the main players be independent of Clark?

Now, I'm wondering that myself.

So Polomontana, how can a story line that involves Clark be independent of another story line that involves Clark?

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Nope, every character on the show is not tied to Clark's development.

Jimmy and Lois have nothing to do with Clark's development.

There story is seperate and it's always been. They get in trouble and the Blur/Superman helps. They almost figure out that Clark's the blur/Superman and that's their story along with the triangle between Lois, Clark and Superman.

The show has to have filler episodes to fill up a season and Lois and Jimmy are great for this because their story is seperate from Clark's development.

Until you can come up with valid arguments and answer the responses people are giving you as to why this post is incorrect, as far as I'm concerned you're doing nothing to add to the discussion, what you are in fact doing is stating that your opinion is 100% right and everyone else is wrong and we're all idiots for not seeing that.

[RedKRules]

Nope, every character on the show is not tied to Clark's development.

Jimmy and Lois have nothing to do with Clark's development.


how come not? won´t Jimmy be Clark´s best buddie ?? and I don´t even need to mention Lois´s future role in Clark´s/Superman life .... because everyone know right ...

[Polomontana]

Now, I'm wondering that myself.

So Polomontana, how can a story line that involves Clark be independent of another story line that involves Clark?

Easily, because all stories are not tied to Clark's development to Superman. This is why you have "filler episodes."

Some stories will not advance the plot but that's true for most shows that have to fill a season.

[ginevrakent]

Nope, every character on the show is not tied to Clark's development.

Jimmy and Lois have nothing to do with Clark's development.

There story is seperate and it's always been. They get in trouble and the Blur/Superman helps. They almost figure out that Clark's the blur/Superman and that's their story along with the triangle between Lois, Clark and Superman.

The show has to have filler episodes to fill up a season and Lois and Jimmy are great for this because their story is seperate from Clark's development.

I disagree. I think that Jimmy has something to do with Clark's development. If Jimmy hadn't been pursuing the Good Samaritan story and taken the picture of the RBB in Identity, Clark would never have been pressured to allow the RBB to score his first headline. Moreover, if not for Jimmy deducing that Clark was the RBB, Clark would never have seen how the public reacts to the RBB as a symbol of hope and justice. Jimmy and Lois both are important to Clark's development because they represent the flawed and idealistic human race he seeks to save and protect. They, like his parents, are what keep him grounded and connected to humanity.

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Easily, because all stories are not tied to Clark's development to Superman. This is why you have "filler episodes."

Some stories will not advance the plot but that's true for most shows that have to fill a season.

In your opinion, was Thirst a filler episode?

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Easily, because all stories are not tied to Clark's development to Superman. This is why you have "filler episodes."

A HUGE part of Clark's journey towards becoming Superman has nothing to do with secret identities. It has to do with Clark's personal development. It's not just about the suit, it's about the man who wears the suit. And the man who wears the suit will be influenced by all the people close to him and those whose lives intertwine with and run parallel to his along the way. The same as it is for EVERYONE. They are all links in a chain, parts of the puzzle and therefore ADD TO CLARK'S STORY.

Because the show is CHARACTER DRIVEN.

[abbaspice1]

Easily, because all stories are not tied to Clark's development to Superman. This is why you have "filler episodes."

Some stories will not advance the plot but that's true for most shows that have to fill a season.

But YOU are ignoring the FACT that Lois IS helping Clark become Superman, just like Chloe, Jimmy, Davis, etc.

The RBB DOES BECOME SUPERMAN!!!!! Two of the major themes are secret identity and Living a Double Life...HELLO! And obviously the writers/producers are having LOIS help Clark with that (along with several other characters).

AGAIN, if you want to go by mythos...then Chloe has NOTHING to do with the development of Superman.

If you are going by SV, then just about all of Clark's friends are helping him on his path towards becoming Superman...whether you like it or not!

BTW, name an episode that focused on Clark, but didn't have anything to do with his development, since you said it was EASY.

[Polomontana]

I disagree. I think that Jimmy has something to do with Clark's development. If Jimmy hadn't been pursuing the Good Samaritan story and taken the picture of the RBB in Identity, Clark would never have been pressured to allow the RBB to score his first headline. Moreover, if not for Jimmy deducing that Clark was the RBB, Clark would never have seen how the public reacts to the RBB as a symbol of hope and justice. Jimmy and Lois both are important to Clark's development because they represent the flawed and idealistic human race he seeks to save and protect. They, like his parents, are what keep him grounded and connected to humanity.

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In your opinion, was Thirst a filler episode?


Nope,

Jimmy had nothing to do with Clark's decision he was just being a photographer.

Clark would have never did this if it wasn't for Chloe. Chloe convinced him to be a symbol of hope when Clark wanted to remain unknown.

Again, Jimmy and Lois have nothing to do with Clark's development as Superman because their story is independent of the Smallville story.

That's easy to see and the writers keep the two stories seperate because they each can stand on their own.

[abbaspice1]

Nope,

Jimmy had nothing to do with Clark's decision he was just being a photographer.

Clark would have never did this if it wasn't for Chloe. Chloe convinced him to be a symbol of hope when Clark wanted to remain unknown.

Again, Jimmy and Lois have nothing to do with Clark's development as Superman because their story is independent of the Smallville story.

That's easy to see and the writers keep the two stories seperate because they each can stand on their own.


But again, you are IGNORING the fact that Jimmy is a part of the development since if he DIDN'T get the pictures, the whole RBB wouldn't have happened. And you repeating the same thing over and over and over again like a broken record is a bad form of debating.

And I'm still waiting for you to name an episode that focused on Clark WITHOUT it being about his development into Superman.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Nope,


You're actually calling Stiletto a filler, but not Thirst! Thirst was so silly, even the producers had a special commentary about it in the DVD collection for that season basically laughing at it!

[Polomontana]

A HUGE part of Clark's journey towards becoming Superman has nothing to do with secret identities. It has to do with Clark's personal development. It's not just about the suit, it's about the man who wears the suit. And the man who wears the suit will be influenced by all the people close to him and those whose lives intertwine with and run parallel to his along the way. The same as it is for EVERYONE. They are all links in a chain, parts of the puzzle and therefore ADD TO CLARK'S STORY.

Because the show is CHARACTER DRIVEN.

Nope,

Clark has a life and things happen that may not be directly connected to his development as Superman.

If you want to be an actor, you have a life outside of being an actor.

Clark has a life outside of the Smallville story and that story includes Jimmy and Lois.

People are not monolithic in life.

[abbaspice1]

Nope,

Clark has a life and things happen that may not be directly connected to his development as Superman.

If you want to be an actor, you have a life outside of being an actor.

Clark has a life outside of the Smallville story and that story includes Jimmy and Lois.

People are not monolithic in life.

You are right, life isn't monolithic, neither is this show. All of their stories intertwine and each character helps the others to development. Thanks for seeing my side of things ;)

BTW, are you saying that THIRST is not a filler episode?

[KSiteTV]

Another reminder of something I posted only about a half hour ago:

Also, please people, don't talk about fans or fan groups in here. I know in some cases you're not trying to break forum rules, but it is happening, so please cut it out :)

Mocking or laughing at individual fans also falls into this category. :P

[ginevrakent]

Nope,

What about Thirst made it not a filler episode? How was it specifically related to Clark's character development? Since Smallville is a character-driven show, I think it was an important episode for Chloe even though the plot itself was horrendous. Still, it did nothing for Clark so by your standards it is a filler episode.


Jimmy had nothing to do with Clark's decision he was just being a photographer.

Clark would have never did this if it wasn't for Chloe. Chloe convinced him to be a symbol of hope when Clark wanted to remain unknown.

Chloe did not convince Clark to be a symbol of hope. Clark left Isis still trying to prevent Jimmy from publishing his photo. Chloe even helped Clark fool Jimmy. It was only the confluence of external circumstances (Tess's goon, Clark blurring off to save Lois, and Oliver regaining his hero mojo) that actually exposed the RBB to the citizens of Metropolis thus convincing Clark that maybe a front page article wouldn't be so bad after all.

Jimmy's tireless pursuit of the truth about Clark and the RBB ultimately led to a situation in which Clark saw what having a hero to look up to means to Jimmy and Metropolis, which is something Chloe's words alone could not accomplish.

[Sarevokcz]

Nope,

Jimmy had nothing to do with Clark's decision he was just being a photographer.

Clark would have never did this if it wasn't for Chloe. Chloe convinced him to be a symbol of hope when Clark wanted to remain unknown.

Again, Jimmy and Lois have nothing to do with Clark's development as Superman because their story is independent of the Smallville story.

That's easy to see and the writers keep the two stories seperate because they each can stand on their own.

Jimmy was the one, who dig up info in RBB, caought his first photo and was basically the one, who started whole Dual identity issue this season, no matter how much Chloe or Olliver contributed to it with thier advices, it still was Jimmy, who started it. thats just one of the examples, how he actually does have something to do with Clarks development.

Same goes for Lois, even tho she i would say she is affecting Clark more subconciousely, Chloe basically "worshipped" him for whole series, Lana was always "tell me the truth" girl, both suspected that he has some secrets, Lois on the other hand is treating him like a normal guy, and after Infamous, i would say she always will and that makes her different and important in his development.

You may not like Lois or Jimmy, or where their SV stories are heading, but the truth is, they are important in his development, so far probably less than Chloe, Oliver or Lana, but that doesnt change the fact, that they are involved.

[cloisthelegendbegins]

Nope,

Clark has a life and things happen that may not be directly connected to his development as Superman.

Which is what I just said.


If you want to be an actor, you have a life outside of being an actor.

And who you are and the life you have outside of your job title is part and parcel of the reason you do the job you do. How well you do that job can be reliant on your life outside of that job. Which is the point I was making.


Clark has a life outside of the Smallville story and that story includes Jimmy and Lois.

I'm sorry but Smallville IS a story about Clark's life. That's the whole point of the show. Therefore anything and everyone who comes into contact with him on a personal level has an impact on his life in one form or another. That INCLUDES friends, family, love interests and work colleagues.

If you're talking about Smallville as in the town, I think you'll find the show isn't there very much any more.


People are not monolithic in life.

Which again is the point I've been making all along. And which pokes a hole in your argument that the characters around Clark don't have an influence on his life.

[Bizarrolover]

Again, Jimmy and Lois have nothing to do with Clark's development as Superman because their story is independent of the Smallville story.


Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen, in the Smallville mythology, became a part of Clark Kent/Superman's development the moment they were introduced to the Smallville universe and became part of the cast of characters. They are a part of his life, their decisions affect him, his decisions affect them, they interact with the main character and their progression is connected to the main character's development. You may deny it all you want, but on this show, Lois and Jimmy ARE part of Superman's mythology. If they weren't they wouldn't be on the show.

[RedKRules]

Nope,

Jimmy had nothing to do with Clark's decision he was just being a photographer.

Clark would have never did this if it wasn't for Chloe. Chloe convinced him to be a symbol of hope when Clark wanted to remain unknown.

Again, Jimmy and Lois have nothing to do with Clark's development as Superman because their story is independent of the Smallville story.

That's easy to see and the writers keep the two stories seperate because they each can stand on their own.

It´s pointless to question each character level of releveance on Clark´s journey .. when in the end Clark will have to be one making the decision, all by himself.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

I wouldn't mind more Lois-based episodes, but nothing like this episode. It had so much potential, but it just didn't do as well as I thought it would.

If they had some based around her childhood, past life (before Smallville), etc. then, it'd have a lot more viewers, I think.

[RedKRules]

I would like to watch a Lois background episode, it would be interesting since I don´t know anything about Lois´s childhood, family.

[individuall]

I wouldn't mind more Lois-based episodes, but nothing like this episode. It had so much potential, but it just didn't do as well as I thought it would.

If they had some based around her childhood, past life (before Smallville), etc. then, it'd have a lot more viewers, I think.

Aw. I really want a Lil Lo episode too! I mean they've done it for everyone else...Well, not Jimmy. But mostly everyone else...

*crosses fingers*

[abbaspice1]

I wouldn't mind more Lois-based episodes, but nothing like this episode. It had so much potential, but it just didn't do as well as I thought it would.

If they had some based around her childhood, past life (before Smallville), etc. then, it'd have a lot more viewers, I think.

As it was stated beofre, evey TV show took a hit on ratings that night. Not just Smallville.

[lm1212]

I would like to watch a Lois background episode, it would be interesting since I don´t know anything about Lois´s childhood, family.

I agree. Don't know how it would factor into a future story-line, though.

[ginevrakent]

I would like to watch a Lois background episode, it would be interesting since I don´t know anything about Lois´s childhood, family.

I've always wanted to see an episode exploring the weeks/months surrounding her mother's death when Lois was 6 years-old. What was her mom like? How did the General treat little Lo before and after her mom's death? I would love to see little Lois putting on the brave face for everyone while taking care of Lucy, but crying when no one else is looking. It would also be nice to see how the admiration and respect she had for he father translates to the heroic ideal she sees in RBB/Superman.

[Sarevokcz]

I agree. Don't know how it would factor into a future story-line, though.

well, if it would be in line with Reunion, im all for it! i wouldnt really want just a filler without real impact on characters like several other "childhood" epis were were.

[Supsfan]

Everybody would have different definitions of what is and what isn't filler. To me, we got enough information about Davis/Doomsday in Prey and Bloodline, that everything after focusing on him would be filler. We know at some point he will morph into Doomsday and have a huge fight with Clark, what else do we really need to know about him that will add more to Clark's story?

To be honest I think if they kept him a bit more mysterious it would make it more interesting. I personally can't stand the "tragic" villian route they are taking with him and think it's not helping my anticipation of the big fight.

If I was a writer on the show, I would have just had Tess build Doomsday in a lab(and constantly mention her project every episode she is on, even if it was just 1 line per episode) and maybe 1-2 times during the season have her test him by unleashing him and reak havoc(but don't actually show him) to build up to the final episode. It would have defined Tess' character much better, and been a much better build up for the fight the last episode.

[redkryptoniteisthebest]

As it was stated beofre, evey TV show took a hit on ratings that night. Not just Smallville.

Oh. I wonder why? :confused:

[RedKRules]

I've always wanted to see an episode exploring the weeks/months surrounding her mother's death when Lois was 6 years-old. What was her mom like? How did the General treat little Lo before and after her mom's death? I would love to see little Lois putting on the brave face for everyone while taking care of Lucy, but crying when no one else is looking. It would also be nice to see how the admiration and respect she had for he father translates to the heroic ideal she sees in RBB/Superman.

No wonder why Lucy is my top favorite Lois episode! :)

[Kalista]

I would like to watch a Lois background episode, it would be interesting since I don´t know anything about Lois´s childhood, family.


Too bad the writers aren't interested in exploring her background as they have done with Clark, Chloe, Lex and Lana.

ETA: Ollie and even Davis would also be included in this list.

[Supsfan]

Too bad the writers aren't interested in exploring her background as they have done with Clark, Chloe, Lex and Lana.

On the flip side, like Lana, Lionel and Lex, we see Lois from day 1 when Lois meets Clark and forms a relationship with him. In the case of Chloe or Pete, we miss out huge blocks of time.

[fan of the man]

Why not! TPTB and DC comics must not have any objections to Smallville involving Lois Lane to it's story line, the storylines and the timelines in every Superman production varies, some characters that are in comics were left out in the Lois and Clark show, character such as Lori Lemaris was never mention, in season 1 of LC when Clark and Lois went to Smallville to do a story on the government taking over a farmer's farm, Clark girl friend in HS was named Rachel not Lana, they final mention Lana in season 3 in a AC story. There are many more examples where storylines and timelines do not line up for many versions of Superman. I love for a fantansy story to be told differently as long as the mythos is not disturbed, and Smallville as done nothing to disturb the mythos they are on target in getting Clark to become a reporter, they are on target in moving him to become the man of steel, superman, they are on target in putting him with his true love Lois Lane. They are on target in putting him in the bull pin with Lois, and Jimmy. But in reality the persons that are responsible for Clark Kent becoming Superman in Smallville will be Jonathan and Martha Kent not Chloe, not Lois,or any one else .

[Mickey_Bickey]

Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen, in the Smallville mythology, became a part of Clark Kent/Superman's development the moment they were introduced to the Smallville universe and became part of the cast of characters. They are a part of his life, their decisions affect him, his decisions affect them, they interact with the main character and their progression is connected to the main character's development. You may deny it all you want, but on this show, Lois and Jimmy ARE part of Superman's mythology. If they weren't they wouldn't be on the show.

Thank you!