Lois dwelling on Clark standing her up

[xrayvision]

It was funny how Lois brought up that standing up incident again.

This was a very weird episode. It seems like Lois has moved on from Clark & is interested in the RBB, much like the classic situation with Superman.

The episode did have some parts that showed that she still cares about Clark like the part where Clark was shot, the Daily Planet part following that part, and the mention of Clark standing her up. But there were moments that made it seem like Clark was just her friend. I guess this is the way the SV writers are doing the chase. Clark was definitely showing a lot of interest in Lois.

[doodie8808]

wow u just had to bring this up uh! no i dont think she was dwelling!

[kg1507]

I'm glad she's not letting Clark forget about that. Plus, it shows that it meant something to her, which ultimately means that her feelings run deeper than she lets on. Which rocks : P

[myankskent]

This line didn't make any sense to me. I knew that she was going to say it before the episode aired, because it was part of the web clip, but why is she making these kinds of comments when she told Clark that she wasn't going to be able to meet him for coffee anyway? Initially, I thought that Clark was going to stand her up in this episode or something to explain why this is brought up again but that didn't happen.

[Sports72Xtrm]

Yeah that line felt out of place. I almost didn't even catch that she said that.

[Carolina87]

I kinda twitched when she said that line because of what it implies about her feelings. She's still hurt about it and Clark completely dismisses it....not cool!! :(

[xrayvision]

I kinda twitched when she said that line because of what it implies about her feelings. She's still hurt about it and Clark completely dismisses it....not cool!! :(

He didn't really dismiss it. He did show up in that RBB phone conversation even though Lois doesn't know it was him. It's the nature of the game since Lois doesn't know his secret.

----- Added 5 Minutes later -----


This line didn't make any sense to me. I knew that she was going to say it before the episode aired, because it was part of the web clip, but why is she making these kinds of comments when she told Clark that she wasn't going to be able to meet him for coffee anyway? Initially, I thought that Clark was going to stand her up in this episode or something to explain why this is brought up again but that didn't happen.

Well the same thing happened in Hex. I didn't understand why she brought it up then. Clark obviously cares about her, but like he told Chloe, he's not ready for any relationships now. He's happy to have the RBB-Lois stuff now. And I think that is what will make him open up to Lois, since the interactions with her will make him feel normal and make him feel like he can be himself. This is how they've been setting it up for years. Lois needs to feel special (that someone needs her) and Clark needs to be himself without hiding his identity. The needs of each will satisfy the other's.

[IHeartClois]

Yea I was suprised she said that, made it very obvious she was still annoyed he stood her up and she wanted him be there, not the best of ways to hide her feelings.

[xrayvision]

I wonder if she'll lighten up on guilt tripping Clark now that she made contact with the RBB.

[Selina]

I agree with you OP.

That line didn't sit well with me. She made her peace with it in Hex so I didn't see the need for her to bring it up again. I really hope that's the last we hear of it.

[costas22]

Yeah and obviously Shelby payed the piper as well. Since when has he been a "she"?

[natbug]

I think somebody said it best in the spoilers and speculation posts best, she was angry and frustrated in the moment. Also, it played off the previous scene at the DP.

At the DP, Lois and Clark are listening to the police scanner, waiting for the other to leave for the night first. When something goes off on the scanner, Clark says, "I have to go feed Shelby." Lois says, "I have to go to the gym." So, when Lois runs into Clark at the crime scene she's ticked off at him and brings up feeding Shelby and the stand up issue. (Not going to further address Shelby's gender.)

[baltazor]

She obviously is seriously pissed off with Clark for standing her off. He agreed to meet her and he didn't. Lois is never going to let that go....

[Ella]

Lois is dwelling on Clark standing her up as much as some people are dwelling on Lois dwelling on Clark standing her up.

Er...yeah, that made sense in my head but when I typed it out...um, not so much. But you know what I mean!!! :lol:

[Tebow15]

If a HPOA stood me up I would dwell too.

[jpfort1957]

There seems to be a gender gap as the way people view that comment.

[Ella]

There seems to be a gender gap as the way people view that comment.
Really? How so?

[Mickey_Bickey]

She's hardly dwelling on it. She made one snippy comment, because he said he was heading home to feed Shelby!

That's classic Lois Lane, and that's why I love her character so much! It was rather funny I thought, and quite frankly after that comment she actually did listen to Clark when he firmly told her to put the Stiletto story to rest! She actually gave him a lot of respect by doing that.

[SnowBird]

It's time to bury the hatchet Lois and that doesn't mean in Clark's head...LOL...It is because she loves Clark that being stood up hurt and she couldn't get over it. Now that Clark almost gave his life for her, hopefully she will get that hatchet burried in the right place which is in the ground never to be brought up to the surface again.

[Sunny8]

That's classic Lois Lane

Exactly. Anyone that knows Lois knows that she holds grudges a while. In the Instinct episode Chloe even mentions it to Jimmy when he moves into the Talon apartment:

Chloe: You know, unpacking your fiancé really should be a wedding requirement course. I had no idea you had such a propensity for recording bass-fishing shows and reading Pablo Neruda love poems... and that you've collected every CD ever made by ABBA.
Jimmy: I'm complicated.
Chloe: Who knew there were so many sides to Jimmy Olsen?
Jimmy: Why? Do you have a problem with that?
Chloe: Not at all.* I love a man of mystery. But I would keep the ABBA away from Lois. She's a Whitesnake girl, and I don't think she'd understand this side of you.
Jimmy: Well, I don't think that Lois likes any side of me these days. She's still mad 'cause I didn't tell her the truth about Lex Luthor's arctic antics.
Chloe: Yeah, Lois wins medals for holding a grudge. Don't worry. Just a couple of weeks of walking around on eggshells, and it'll all be over.
Jimmy: [ Chuckles ] Great.


...and that's why I love her character so much!

I love her too:). I thought that both she and Clark were adorable in this episode. (I love Jimmy too and I was happy to see him even though I know a lot of people dislike him).

[Tebow15]

I luv me some lois and Clark.

[xrayvision]

I think it's safe to say that we heard the last of it in this episode.

[Black Panda]

This line didn't make any sense to me. I knew that she was going to say it before the episode aired, because it was part of the web clip, but why is she making these kinds of comments when she told Clark that she wasn't going to be able to meet him for coffee anyway?
She only told him she wouldn't meet him to save face. She was sitting right there.

As for throwing it in his face at that exact moment, I'm sure she was abashed to be caught fudging. It's human to go on the offensive when one feels defensive.

Also, Lois harping on Clark's rejection seems reminiscent of a plotline I saw back in season 2 with the teens. Since I've seen Lois whine about her lovelife plenty, I don't see why she'd stop now.

Further, I just see it mostly as a reference to the "heartbreaking stand up" one of a boatload of Action (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsh4u94qu9M) references in this episode, including the return of "in over her head" the "hero in solitude" and gun pointing etc.

Driers did both episodes, and she seemed at pains to call back to Action in this and in Infamous to me.

[dreamscometrue]

Of course her feelings run deeper than she realizes.....Look at the way they look at each other. They are in love with each other, even if they don't say so.

[xrayvision]

Of course her feelings run deeper than she realizes.....Look at the way they look at each other. They are in love with each other, even if they don't say so.

I don't know. I read a lot of posts here and it seems like many think that Lois has moved on from Clark to the RBB. I thought that Lois hadn't written off Clark yet after that pastry scene at the DP and those looks they exchanged, but after reading all the opinions here, I could be wrong.

I love the subtlety that this episode had. Nothing was really forced, but it had a much more natural feel to it.

[supercatmom]

Lois is harping on Clark about standing her up because she has feelings for him.

In the current comic Superman mythos, Lois has feelings for both Clark and Superman.
With her ultimately falling in love with Clark.

SV seems to be following this mythos and I for one will sit back and enjoy the ride.
Bring on season 9.

As long as they keep Clark Kent a stong character and not make him a bumbling nerd.
By all means put a pair of glasses on TW but for the love of god do not make him a bumbling nerd.

In all of the Superman incarnations except the Richard Donnar Superman Movies, Clark Kent has been portrayed as a strong investigating reporter.
SV please keep it that way.

[amandaa125]

I thought it's good that she's not letting clark forget, but now that you mention it, it is weird that she keeps telling him he stood her up when she told him she was chasing a lead and couldnt make it anyways? clark should call her on that, i think it'd be interesting :)

[xrayvision]

In all of the Superman incarnations except the Richard Donnar Superman Movies, Clark Kent has been portrayed as a strong investigating reporter.
SV please keep it that way.

I totally agree supercatmom. My only concern is that this is the first depiction of Clark where he meets Lois before he's an established journalist. Meaning he's not developed as one yet. I am very concerned that the way they write Lois will have her getting all the bylines, leaving none for Clark. Or at best, Clark will have to share one with her. From what they have shown so far, Clark is unable to get any big scoop while working with Lois. We have yet to see a scene between Clark & the editor (that guy we saw in Infamous & again in Stiletto).

I think that just like Lois developed her career away from Clark, he must develop his away from Lois. I think he needs to be fired (if he dies as a result of the Doomsday fight & doesn't show up for months) or quit by realizing this. Just like Lois said in Instinct that things didn't work for them the previous time & why tempt fate twice after Clark told her she could move back to the farm, I think Clark needs to realize his career situation & tell her the same thing about his job at the Daily Planet without causing her guilt. I would like to see some career seperation between them with Clark working for the Metropolis Journal, with Perry White as his editor & mentor. Then he would start writing bylines based on his investigations as the RBB and get stories that nobody else could get based on his powers, etc. This would get him some serious career props and ultimately he could write an article that would land Perry & him back to the Daily Planet. This would also allow Clark to write his own bylines & Lois to write her own, with the 2 crossing paths every now & then. It would also allow for the "absence makes the hearts grow fonder" principle to take effect as the 2 would cherish the time they spend together more than before. And finally it would allow Lois to be classic Lois and do her own reporting rather than partnering up with Clark all the time, easily justifying a reason to have her in all 22 episodes. It would allow her to get into the thick of things with Clark as the RBB helping her out when needed.

The reason I want this is because I don't want to resent Lois the way I resented Lana. Clark is the #1 reason I watch this show, and as long as the characters around him aren't making him look bad or keeping him down, then I like them as well. In season 6, Clark was on standby for Lana as a result of her stupid mistake to get together with Lex and Clark truly wasn't doing anything with his life (no college, no career, not even training at the FOS) as a result. I don't want Lois' existence to hold the writers back from ever showing Clark be developed as an investigative reporter. Clark is both a hero & a reporter. To develop one aspect & not the other would be an injustice to the character. And unless I see it happening on screen, I won't buy any compliments for Clark writing offscreen bylines for things we didn't see. I refuse to do that. If Clark has any importance to the writers & producers, they will make it be a huge priority to show him onscreen investigating & writing his own stories based on his outings as the RBB.

The fact that he was so deeply involved in what happened in Stiletto & still didn't write anything really bothers me.

[Tatiana]

I think Lois still loves Clark, she is not the type that just forgets about someone but she is trying to move on because she thinks he has no feelings for her, or that at least he is not willing to take a chance, which is true. She can totally feel the sexual tension though as can he, they r not dumb. But I think she admires RBB in a way she doesn't admire Clark because she doesn't know him in that way, although I think she could see his heroic side on this episode a bit more, I really liked he was able to save her without her being unconscious or anything like that

[justme_007]

It was funny how Lois brought up that standing up incident again.

This was a very weird episode. It seems like Lois has moved on from Clark & is interested in the RBB, much like the classic situation with Superman.

The episode did have some parts that showed that she still cares about Clark like the part where Clark was shot, the Daily Planet part following that part, and the mention of Clark standing her up. But there were moments that made it seem like Clark was just her friend. I guess this is the way the SV writers are doing the chase. Clark was definitely showing a lot of interest in Lois.

The whole dynamic i saw in this episode made me remember LNC of 90's. I enjoyed that show. But now, it´s like been there... done that.

[-Nora-]

The whole dynamic i saw in this episode made me remember LNC of 90's. I enjoyed that show. But now, it´s like been there... done that.

Well, that's been the case for the past 70 years. The story between Lois Lane and Clark Kent is always the same, it won't ever change. So in that case it'll always be 'been there, done that'. I was a huge fan of the Dean/Teri version from the 90's for over 15 years. I never missed an episode. However I think that SV's Lois and Clark are a lot more entertaining because of several reasons:

1. They have a LOT more build up and the relationship is thus more interesting and solid. Deborah Joy LeVine (creator of the show who left after season 1) didn't want Lois & Clark to get together until the 5th season originally. However the show took a totally different turn the second she left and the relationship was rushed. And they lost a LOT of spark the second they got together. The great banter just went out of the window and they became so cheesy that it sometimes made me cringe.

2. SV's Lois Lane has a lot more depth. She doesn't wear her heart on her sleeve as much as LnC's Lois did, which makes the moments where she does open up to someone and does get emotional so much more special. And it just makes you want to learn more and more about her. Plus, Erica is such a comedic genius and it's always a pleasure to watch her.

I will admit though that Erica benefits a lot from the fact that SV isn't a romantic comedy and the writing for Lois is a lot better. Given that SV is a drama it gives Erica possibilities to shine (and boy does she shine...) in ways that Teri couldn't. I can count the truly dramatic moments on LnC with one hand.

[clois-destiny-forever]

I don't think she was dwelling, I think this goes back to other incarnations of Superman where Lois is always commenting on Clark's absence or him missing things. It might come off as dwelling, but I don't consider it to be.

[wingster55]

It kind of is dwelling...she specifically said stood up as she was.
Even though she texted that it didn't matter.

[Tompouce]

Yeah and obviously Shelby payed the piper as well. Since when has he been a "she"?
:rotfl:Yes, I really think it doesn't fit with Lois to say that again to Clark especially after Hex when she says "okay, let's forget it". Weird. A big mistake for Lois's character:\

[Wicked Lois]

I still think that this Clark doesnt deserve this Lois...


hum... he took a bullet for her, I know... but still... he doesnt get it what its in front of him and it makes me really tired. And sad... HAHHAHA Smallville su...

[xrayvision]

I still think that this Clark doesnt deserve this Lois...


hum... he took a bullet for her, I know... but still... he doesnt get it what its in front of him and it makes me really tired. And sad... HAHHAHA Smallville su...

I don't know why this is such a problem. He told Chloe that he's not interested in being in a relationship now, but we do know he's slowly getting drawn to Lois. He wants to continue developing his hero & journalism skills. When the time is right, he will go for it. The guy was withheld from any substantial/forward hero development in seasons 4-7 and from any educational (college) & career development in seasons 5-7 as a result of TPTB wanting to use him for their Lana plans. Meanwhile Lois was getting developed since she wasn't a part of the Lana plans. CK deserves his own development time. He's gotten it as a hero but not as a journalist, even in season 8. I don't call being a copy boy development since Lois was already writing articles for the Inquisitor with 1-2 episodes of getting hired.

Hopefully he quits or is fired so he works for a seperate newspaper & finally gets his own bylines, because I'm tired of waiting for this to happen. This will probably speed things up with Clark's & Lois' eventual hookup and also make Clark & Lois get their own storylines, yet allow them to cross paths occasionally. Clark needs to show why he deserves to be the ace reporter he's destined to become and needs to have opportunities to be developed without having all of them swiped up by Lois. They shouldn't have Lois stand in the way of his development like they did with Lana. Plus, having them investigate things together holds Lois back because she should be her own reporter.

Anyway, I'm very happy with most of the aspects of Clark's portrayal as of Stiletto. I don't think he did anything wrong this episode. I was very annoyed that he didn't get any byline for his troubles, especially how deeply involved he was. I hope this changes next season and that he is fired so he can show what he's made of. And I hope he is paired with Perry as his editor & mentor. That would be unbelievably great for him.

[rajman]

lol i think this lois just really wants/needs someone at the moment, clark is really silly at times but he's feeling the love and he's just not showing it or he is afraid

i wonder how long it will take for lois to figure out that she will never get a chance with rbb and that clark is the man lol, hopefully the writers will make this short and sweet. oh wait they kind of have.

[xrayvision]

Well, I'm enjoying the ride (minus the passing through of Hurricane Lana). Usually when they have 2 characters hook up, the magic fades. I don't know if the writers can sustain it once they do hook up.

I wonder how long it will take Clark to tell her when they do hook up. Maybe he will tell her on the spot so they could avoid all that angst/lying crap that happened with Lana. I would like the duality thing going for a little while once they do hook up, but only if they can do a good job of it. I just don't want Clark sacrificing his ambitions (or TPTB sacrificing them) just so he is Lois' protector. That would turn Lois into another Lana & nobody wants that.

[rajman]

atleast writers dont have 7 and a half seasons, they should wrap lois and clark by the end of......i dont know....shall we say season 9 :D well it depends if there is a season 10. with lois and clark they have to get it right there is no second chances

[xrayvision]

I doubt there will be a season 10. I don't know what else they can do after season 9. Unless they introduce Intergang and have a 2-fold plan for them like they did with Lionel in seasons 2 & 3, though Lionel wasn't the main obstacle until season 3. So maybe Intergang will show up next season & grow to be the main villians of season 10 if there is one. As long as this show doesn't turn into a Justice League themed show, I'll be for a 10th season, but it must be the last.

[Bizarrolover]

And unless I see it happening on screen, I won't buy any compliments for Clark writing offscreen bylines for things we didn't see. I refuse to do that. If Clark has any importance to the writers & producers, they will make it be a huge priority to show him onscreen investigating & writing his own stories based on his outings as the RBB.

The fact that he was so deeply involved in what happened in Stiletto & still didn't write anything really bothers me.

Clark investigated the disappearance of dozens of people (Davis' victims) and wrote a story worthy of the front page, but Tess swept it under the rug. I didn't like how that was handled in Eternal. That would have been an excellent oportunity to show Clark's progress as a journalist, but everything happened off screen and was explained in a 2 minute conversation between Tess and Clark. The rest of the episode was dedicated to explore Davis' background and youth. I would like an entire episode dedicated to Clark's growth as a journalist. Hopefully, that will happen next season.

[Jade4813]

Oh, that would be lovely!

I just rewatched an old episode of LnC, in which Clark's first major story was discussed and it turns out he got it wrong and his story ended up sending an innocent man away. I don't want anything like that to happen to SV Clark - he's got enough trauma and drama in his life, thanks ever so PTB - but I think it would be nice to really have an episode to show Clark's first MAJOR story that he gets all by himself. Even maybe showing him getting some info because of his RBB side and then trying to find a way to legitimize that information.

Probably will never happen. But it would be nice.

[xrayvision]

Clark investigated the disappearance of dozens of people (Davis' victims) and wrote a story worthy of the front page, but Tess swept it under the rug. I didn't like how that was handled in Eternal. That would have been an excellent oportunity to show Clark's progress as a journalist, but everything happened off screen and was explained in a 2 minute conversation between Tess and Clark. The rest of the episode was dedicated to explore Davis' background and youth. I would like an entire episode dedicated to Clark's growth as a journalist. Hopefully, that will happen next season.

We need more than an episode. 1 episode isn't enough to prove how Clark goes from a copyboy to being an ace reporter. They haven't shown a single article he wrote with the exception of that 1 obituary & we didn't even get to see it in the newspaper. This is just horrible. It's ridiculous how not even in Prey, Bulletproof & Stiletto when Clark was in the thick of the plot was he shown writing an article based on what he uncovered. They also had an opportunity in Identity when Oliver was playing the role of the RBB. That episode should have been the one featuring the 1st article on the RBB written by Clark while Lois wrote one based on Sebastian. It should have lit a competitive fire between Lois & Clark getting stories. Just another opportunity wasted to promote the most important character.

[CloisFan17]

I love how she brings that up all the time you can tell she was really hurt & I think she def deserves to tell him off

[xrayvision]

Probably will never happen. But it would be nice.

If it doesn't then Smallville will end up being nothing but a failure. It is unforgiveable that they not devote time in 90% if not every episode to show Clark writing some sort of story based on his findings.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this version of Clark will end up being a clown in the basement. I'd rather see him quit his job as a reporter & become a full time hero if he won't be shown getting stories on a regular basis.