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Chlollie

04-22-2009, 05:48 PM

TV Ratings for "Stiletto"

marcella

04-22-2009, 06:10 PM

My bet is 3.74, because of the hiatus

alejandrita439

04-22-2009, 08:56 PM

3.8

OkiyaShuichi

04-23-2009, 03:37 AM

around 3.5

SVrockschar89

04-23-2009, 03:43 AM

I'm gonna go with 3.95

ChlarkerFan

04-23-2009, 03:59 AM

I'm going with 3.5 based on the dip that the ratings will take due to the 3 week break (99 percent of the time it affects an episode) and due to the stiff competition which is Bones. If it does less than that, I will be shocked and if it does more, I will be impressed. So we'll see... ;)

costas22

04-23-2009, 05:20 AM

The 3 week break and Bones will hinder the ratings a bit. 3.6-3.7 for me.

Night_Hawk90

04-23-2009, 06:14 AM

3.3 im not expecting good ratings

sunset

04-23-2009, 06:46 AM

Hoping for the best!

davidbrenton

04-23-2009, 08:49 AM

I say 4.05. I'm hoping for a big turnout.

doodie8808

04-23-2009, 10:32 AM

2.9 million i love lois but the 3 week break and storyline is aganists us! i want 4 mill or more!

SparkleforSmallville

04-23-2009, 10:52 AM

I'm thinking 3.76 mil., but I would love for the Rating to go up!

bizzaroboy9

04-23-2009, 12:26 PM

this should be interesting to see how the number turn out tomorrow. With a lot of hype and Erica Durance promoting it and seeing numerous articles from TV Guide. I predict
3. 89 million as the final number.

batfinx

04-23-2009, 01:02 PM

I'll say 3.2, possibly lower. Three week break, all new programming against it and the worst reruns possible to put in front of it -- Power and Requiem :lol:

skylar

04-23-2009, 03:12 PM

I'll say 3.86

Rizarro

04-23-2009, 03:36 PM

I'll say 3.2, possibly lower. Three week break, all new programming against it and the worst reruns possible to put in front of it -- Power and Requiem :lol:

I seriously don't understand the bolded part. Why did they do that?! The LOGICAL and PERFECT choice would've been "Identity" and "Infamous". I seriously thought those were going to be the two reruns. What were they thinking?! I'm very disappointed with The CW for this. :mad::(

SparkleforSmallville

04-23-2009, 06:40 PM

^^I was hoping for Odyssey and Plastique, the JLA and the girl Plastique would have made more sense for the upcoming episodes!:/

Ella

04-23-2009, 07:06 PM

I'll say 3.2, possibly lower. Three week break, all new programming against it and the worst reruns possible to put in front of it -- Power and Requiem :lol:
Agreed. It's like they wanted this episode to fail. I'll go a bit higher though and say 3.4 as my guess. This episode just had too many things against it. :(

ClarkyBoy14

04-23-2009, 07:17 PM

3.55 million is my guess.

kaam

04-23-2009, 07:20 PM

Sparkle, I will be waiting for the over-night stats. :)

smallvillerocks45

04-23-2009, 10:00 PM

Well, I want the episode to receive 5 million; my wishful thinking guess will be 4.01, and my anticipated reality (due to the break) is 3.89 million.

jaksfreak91

04-24-2009, 01:44 AM

I think the episode could do well because the hype made by Stiletto could actually work (If someone turn on the TV, and while he/she is changing channels and then they watch a super-effin hot female in an all-leather tight suit, maybe he/she will have some curiosity to see what happens next:D.
Sorry for thinking that, but it's possible, and we should remember that there's a lot of people that turn on the TV for casual entretaiment.

Night_Hawk90

04-24-2009, 07:02 AM

this episode is going against the nhl and nba playoffs plus other tv shows i am expecting 3 million

costas22

04-24-2009, 07:05 AM

3.4-3.7 for me.

dreammaster

04-24-2009, 07:16 AM

3.7 for me

Jaderoyale

04-24-2009, 07:19 AM

Meh, i really have no idea to be honest :\

lane06

04-24-2009, 08:04 AM

4 mil =)

davidbrenton

04-24-2009, 09:19 AM

I originally said 4.05...but man, was this episode cringe-worthy throughout much of it.

Ella

04-24-2009, 09:23 AM

What time do the ratings should get posted?

shark87

04-24-2009, 09:43 AM

From Mediaweek

Smallville on the CW (2.2/ 4)
Supernatural on the CW (1.9/ 3)

I wish I knew what this means.

http://www.mediaweek.com/mw/content_display/community/programming-insider/newsletters/e3i55fbb4c9063b301d824cf034763c2b0b

costas22

04-24-2009, 09:56 AM

Let's wait on the rating. It should be in any moment now.

myankskent

04-24-2009, 09:58 AM

From Mediaweek

Smallville on the CW (Viewers: #5, 3.05 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 4)

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/181100602

That's a terrible rating. A series low, I believe.

costas22

04-24-2009, 09:59 AM

Ouch!

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Too many obstacles Matt. Bones, NBA, NHL and the long break on top of that. Thank you anyway.

Night_Hawk90

04-24-2009, 10:00 AM

wow major droppage

SparkleforSmallville

04-24-2009, 10:04 AM

Wow! 3.05 mil. that's really low, hope the Final goes up!

ANTM had a Final of 4.01 mil. I guess it wins this week.:confused:

myankskent

04-24-2009, 10:05 AM

Ouch!

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Too many obstacles Matt. Bones, NBA, NHL and the long break on top of that. Thank you anyway.

I don't know if it's all about the competition this time around. That's a huge drop and the break wasn't that long.

Ella

04-24-2009, 10:05 AM

Ouch!

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Too many obstacles Matt. Bones, NBA, NHL and the long break on top of that. Thank you anyway.

I hope the producers realize that they can't keep on putting these ridiculous 3-4 week breaks and not expect episodes like Infamous and Stiletto to suffer. :\

Chlarky

04-24-2009, 10:06 AM

From Mediaweek

Smallville on the CW (Viewers: #5, 3.05 million; A18-49: #5, 1.3/ 4)

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/181100602

That's a terrible rating. A series low, I believe.

Considering how horribly the episode was written, it kinda deserves that rating if not lower.

Ella

04-24-2009, 10:06 AM

I don't know if it's all about the competition this time around. That's a huge drop and the break wasn't that long.
I disagree. A three week break is very long. It's not the biggest break, sadly, but it's more than the typical 1-2 breaks. So based on previous history, these type of breaks do bring an episode down. That obviously wasn't the only factor, but it cannot be overlooked.

smallvillerocks45

04-24-2009, 10:07 AM

That's too bad. I really liked Stiletto. Granted that there was so much competition, I think the numbers will make a significant jump once the Live +7 is added.

I hope that the following episodes have better numbers. Next week looks great!

myankskent

04-24-2009, 10:08 AM

I disagree. A three week break is very long. It's not the biggest break, sadly, but it's more than the typical 1-2 breaks. So based on previous history, these type of breaks do bring an episode down. That obviously wasn't the only factor, but it cannot be overlooked.

The break is definitely a factor, but this isn't even a one month break here and that rating is the lowest of the series, by far, I believe. Does anyone know the exact number of the lowest rated episode prior to "Stiletto"? What was it, "Prototype" that had the lowest rating or something?

Ella

04-24-2009, 10:11 AM

The break is definitely a factor, but this isn't even a one month break here and that rating is the lowest of the series, by far, I believe. Does anyone know the exact number of the lowest rated episode prior to "Stiletto"? What was it, "Prototype" that had the lowest rating or something?

There are a lot of factors and my point is that the break is one of them. In total I'd say all of these played a role: (1) A silly storyline, (2) sub par writing, (3) 3 week hiatus, (4) Power/Requiem Reruns, (5) competition from other networks, (6) NBA finals, and there are other smaller factors but those are the largest ones. So yeah, everything against it obviously came together and gave us these atrocious ratings. I really hope it's not the lowest of the series though. The episode wasn't horrible, and I hope it doesn't get that reputation just based on the ratings.

DGirlLois4Clark

04-24-2009, 10:11 AM

LOL. Ouch.

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smallville- really needs to be more consistent with their story telling. Its up and down every week. I cant wait for this Doomsday story arc to finish, so we can actually get back to a show about how Clark BECOMES Superman.lol.

Im not bothered bout this ratings...I live in the UK..ehehehe

marcella

04-24-2009, 10:16 AM

that's not good:(

Ella

04-24-2009, 10:18 AM

Slightly off topic but Supernatural also got the lowest ratings of the year. Wonder what happened this week. I saw both Smallville and Supernatural and loved them both. *shrugs*

Mickey_Bickey

04-24-2009, 10:20 AM

There's too many things going on with the playoffs and other shows. A lot of cometition! I don't know too many people who haven't been tuning into see the Celtics and the Bruins in this neck of the woods.

Timester

04-24-2009, 10:20 AM

Power/Requiem Reruns

There is your problem. :p

PJBoy

04-24-2009, 10:27 AM

It wasn't only Smallville. Everything was down last night! :\

Mickey_Bickey

04-24-2009, 10:27 AM

There is your problem. :p

I definitely think they hurt this episode and maybe future ones as well! It was bad enough the first time around, but to put those two episodes on before the final 4 episodes! What were they thinking????

I actually posted this in the Power and Requiem threads last week as well!

I still think that the playoffs are a big contributor to the lower ratings too.

suzieQ

04-24-2009, 10:28 AM

costas22

04-24-2009, 10:29 AM

Ella

04-24-2009, 10:30 AM

There is your problem. :p
:lol:

Oh man, let's not open that can of worms. The reruns weren't the biggest factor and they weren't directly responsible for the bad ratings. But they DID play a role. There that's all I'm saying about that subject because I can already foresee it offending certain people.

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It wasn't only Smallville. Everything was down last night! :\
Also true. Supernatural had really, really low ratings too. :(

Night_Hawk90

04-24-2009, 10:33 AM

i myself was flipping back and fourth between the philly/pens game and smallville gotta watch my hockey over smallville.

-Nora-

04-24-2009, 10:34 AM

Ella

04-24-2009, 10:36 AM

I'm not upset about it. Everything went down last night. If everything else had went up and only SV went down, then I'd be concerned. That was not the case and thus clearly because of several factors, most notably the NBA finals I suppose.

It was a good episode.
True. Just added the sports to my list. Seriously, this episode had six major factors against it. Name another episode in the season that had ALL of that going against it.

batfinx

04-24-2009, 10:42 AM

I don't know if it's all about the competition this time around. That's a huge drop and the break wasn't that long.

I agree. I predicted 3.2 or lower and the competition was fairly average, except for sports taking male demographics in some areas. They chose to run the horrible Power/Requiem episodes prior to Stiletto. Requiem only got 1.8 million viewers as a rerun and was even lower than a rerun of Supernatural, I don't think that's happened very often. I'm sure Beast will do a lot better. At least it got 3 million people who saw the trailer. People shouldn't put on their panic shoes yet :lol:

VitalManhattan

04-24-2009, 10:42 AM

As stated before,

1. First episode back from 3 week hiatus
2. NBA and NHL Playoffs occuring (especially the Lakers and Celtics playing last night)

I recorded smallville to watch the Lakers and Jazz game. I'm sure many other people did the same.

LoveHurts38

04-24-2009, 10:45 AM

I hate sports except Football season****Go Cowboys*****

LoveHurts38

04-24-2009, 10:47 AM

Well, as long Doomsday get a very high rating!!!! CW promote Smallville it's your bread and butter. A week ago I saw on the cover of Rolling Stones the GG chicks**rolls eyes**

myankskent

04-24-2009, 10:48 AM

I'm sure Beast will do a lot better. At least it got 3 million people who saw the trailer.

:lol: Well, to be fair, they did air a "Stiletto" trailer after "Eternal" so people did see it. "Infamous" was a problem because no trailer was shown after "Requiem".

LorelaiG

04-24-2009, 10:48 AM

I don't know much about ratings for reruns, but what is the average rating when it comes to that? Because 1.8 sounds absolutely horrible, especially if it's lower than Supernatural which Smallville always beats out no matter what. So if 1.8 is the rating that cushioned this episode then I'm understanding more and more the low rating. Though 3.02 is still...ouch! Really low! :\
IIRC Smallville average for reruns is 2.3 2.5million

costas22

04-24-2009, 10:51 AM

5 new episodes have aired since Requiem. I think everyone of us has gotten over it. I think that Eternal did 3.9 or something like that. With the increased competition last night, it's not difficult to imagine such a drop. A lot of males will prefer play offs once they begin. And there is always Bones.

rick.itch

04-24-2009, 10:55 AM

it's 3,099 million and very lowww.. was this episode lower then abyss???

costas22

04-24-2009, 10:57 AM

it's 3,099 million and very lowww.. was this episode lower then abyss???

Yep. It could be the lowest rating ever. Let's hope that the finals will give it a boost.

myankskent

04-24-2009, 10:57 AM

it's 3,099 million and very lowww.. was this episode lower then abyss???

Yes, and "Abyss" didn't even have the New York and New England numbers factored into the rating because of football.

Kevin24

04-24-2009, 11:04 AM

3.099 is really low but I think it has more to do with the Laker-Utah game and the hiatus. I know I was tempted to watch the Lakers instead of Smallville.

costas22

04-24-2009, 11:05 AM

MOD EDIT I wanted the show to do well in the ratings whether Power was on or whether Bride was on.

rick.itch

04-24-2009, 11:21 AM

thank god :D i hope next week will give us some higher rates and i hope the final will give us over 4 million hehehehe :)

marcella

04-24-2009, 11:26 AM

thank god :D i hope next week will give us some higher rates and i hope the final will give us over 4 million hehehehe :)

me too:)

davidbrenton

04-24-2009, 11:28 AM

I hope this doesn't impact Erica's S9 contract.

Kschreck

04-24-2009, 11:28 AM

Slightly off topic but Supernatural also got the lowest ratings of the year. Wonder what happened this week. I saw both Smallville and Supernatural and loved them both. *shrugs*

Same thing. I guess most people don't like quality tv shows...

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3.099 is really low but I think it has more to do with the Laker-Utah game and the hiatus. I know I was tempted to watch the Lakers instead of Smallville.

Yeah these stupid hiatuses do hurt the show a lot. I never get why networks keep doing this. Same thing with Eureka. We got 8 episode from season three, an entire year break with no knowledge as to when or even if the show was coming back and now apparently it's coming back June or July for just a few episodes and then ANOTHER YEAR LONG BREAK until the next season. It's like these networks are retarded!

Kevin24

04-24-2009, 11:31 AM

Yeah I noticed that too. When Smallville's ratings go up or down Supernatural has the same thing happen to it's ratings.

costas22

04-24-2009, 11:37 AM

I hope this doesn't impact Erica's S9 contract.

I don't think so. They would discuss with her her future role in the near future anyway. I don't think Erica is to blame for this.

Same here. I love the show. :o

Me too. Welcome aboard by the way.

Black Panda

04-24-2009, 11:46 AM

sithius

04-24-2009, 11:54 AM

I knew this was going to be a filler episode and I can understand why many people chose not to watch it. Come on, there was nothing in this episode that added to the overall plot. I actually found Doomsday coming out to kill and then transform back to Davis instead of killing Chloe/going on a spree ridiculous.

Supsfan

04-24-2009, 11:56 AM

Wow those ratings are brutal. What makes it wierder is it looks like all shows last night took a big hit.

costas22

04-24-2009, 12:01 PM

Wow those ratings are brutal. What makes it wierder is it looks like all shows last night took a big hit.

Playoffs probably. We know that men will really get excited about them. I would also have that temptation if i lived in the States.

Firebunny

04-24-2009, 12:20 PM

There are a lot of good reasons for a ratings decrease, but maybe a number of the at home viewers thought this looked like a dumb episode. That was my expectation. I mean it's clear Lois isn't going to be a super-hero, and this was played in the previews as pretty cheesy.

It's too bad, because I though the episode was rather good. Maybe it will come up. I agree, the trailer made Stiletto look all kinds of cheesy and I wasn't so interested in a filler episode when the Doomsday plot is picking up steam. Combined with the fact there there were no promotional stills or a director's cut released I figured the CW didn't have much faith in it and the episode was going to be a real stinker.

I was surprised by how much I liked Stiletto.

I think the lack of promotion played a lot into it. Also, it's spring and people stop watching TV in spring so that probably had the biggest effect on the ratings.

Aries83

04-24-2009, 12:37 PM

I just want to strangle Dawn Ostroff. I want someone else at The CW who actually recognizes how important Smallville is to their damn network. People like America's Next Top Model, i get it, but: Without Smallville's consistency this year (even if this week's episode got a low rating), where would they be?

A little more promotion and maybe it could reach over 5 million viewers a week, but oh no, all the money has to go to pointless shows like Gossip Girl and 90210 that aren't even doing HALF of what SV is doing in the ratings.

It makes me so mad that Dawn Ostroff is still employed...

Jaderoyale

04-24-2009, 12:40 PM

Aw, man :(

SupermanRox

04-24-2009, 12:46 PM

I say 3.9 mil...I'm hopeful that it did very well!

Chlarkcare

04-24-2009, 12:47 PM

Half hour breakdowns from tvbythenumbers:

Net Show 18-49 18-34 Total
CW Smallville 1.3/4 1.3/5 3.011
CW Smallville 1.3/4 1.3/4 3.099

rick.itch

04-24-2009, 12:51 PM

i read somewhere that it's 3,099 and i think thats the right numbers

REebee52

04-24-2009, 01:07 PM

They should move Smallville to a less competitive time. There is not a single CW show that will be able to hold up against the other networks on the primetime, Thursday at 8 slot. BUT Smallville, if Im' not mistaken, has consistently high internet views/tivo/itunes downloads. I think a lot of people watch they show, but they watch their other shows at the designated time. If it were moved to a different time, all these people could watch. Ratings go up, ad prices go up, everybody wins.

Jade4813

04-24-2009, 01:18 PM

Well, I'm disappointed in the ratings but I'm not going to read too much into it because I think doing that in general is pointless. I will say, though, that I agree with those who say that hiatuses are killers. I skipped out on the last couple of reruns and with finals coming up next week, I almost forgot that this week was a new episode. If it weren't for the fact that I'm on these boards so often, I probably would have forgotten about Smallville completely.

I'll probably entirely miss the next two episodes because both are on the night before I have an 8 am final. :\ This is not a time of year that I get to watch much TV. Or do much of anything else, actually.

SparkleforSmallville

04-24-2009, 01:29 PM

Half hour breakdowns from tvbythenumbers:

Net Show 18-49 18-34 Total
CW Smallville 1.3/4 1.3/5 3.011
CW Smallville 1.3/4 1.3/4 3.099

That averages out to 3.06 mil. We'll have to wait to see what the Final is.
I don't think it was pre-empted anywhere. That is low for the Demo.

Mrs. Superman

04-24-2009, 01:34 PM

Dont get me started about the breaks, bc 1 or 2 is fine but 3 is really pushing the matter.

Overall I'm not upset about this because when you look at the bigger picture, it makes sense.

• With so much competition, several otherwise solid shows were off their game compared to last week, including Bones (8.2 million), The Office (7.2 million), Hell's Kitchen (6.8 million) and 30 Rock (6.3 million).

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b120503_jay_lenos_ratings_are_sick_too.html

Supernatural's ratings were suprisingly low as well (2.8). They have Smallville at 3.1
Like others have stated, I might worry if Smallville was the only one to take a big dip, but clearly it isnt. Now if next week is even lower than I'd be worried that this episode was received poorly.

BadToad

04-24-2009, 01:38 PM

Its always disappointing to see SV's numbers go down, but considering what happened to just about every single show on last night, I wouldn't be too upset. 11 of the television shows that aired last night hit new lows, or tied season lows. And all 3 of the new shows that aired last night were down.

Believe me, when the CW looks at the ratings, they will compare it to the night overall. And SV and SPN will have held their usual position in the grand scheme of thursday night programming.

As for how many shows hit a season or series low, the answer is 11: Survivor (series low; non-Thanksgiving), CSI (series), Grey's (series), Office (season), Bones (season), Hell's (season), Smallville (season) and Supernatural (matching season low). Parks, Harper's, and Southland hit lows too, though that's somewhat common for third episodes of a series.

Not a good start for May sweeps. Only Fox posted a gain over last year.

Source: http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/04/greys-and-practice-return-to-win-hours.html

Mrs. Superman

04-24-2009, 01:51 PM

Its always disappointing to see SV's numbers go down, but considering what happened to just about every single show on last night, I wouldn't be too upset. 11 of the television shows that aired last night hit new lows, or tied season lows. And all 3 of the new shows that aired last night were down.

Believe me, when the CW looks at the ratings, they will compare it to the night overall. And SV and SPN will have held their usual position in the grand scheme of thursday night programming.

Source: http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/04/greys-and-practice-return-to-win-hours.html

WOW 11! I knew a lot of shows went down but having 11 hitting new season/series lows, that really puts the pieces together for why SV didnt perform to its usual standard. Nice find.

SparkleforSmallville

04-24-2009, 02:00 PM

Everyone is reporting different ratings. We've got 3.011, 3.05, 3.055 and 3.10 so far for the Overnights. Hope everyone can agree on the final! :/

costas22

04-24-2009, 02:03 PM

Everyone is reporting different ratings. We've got 3.011, 3.05, 3.055 and 3.10 so far for the Overnights. Hope everyone can agree on the final! :/

Maybe this week you shouldn't grace us with your Season 8 ratings chart. The comparisons will be depressing!

tyson08

04-24-2009, 02:04 PM

I know I was switching between Smallville and the Celtics, that must have been the case for many. NBA playoffs, NHL and whatnot. It was a jam packed night.

SparkleforSmallville

04-24-2009, 02:12 PM

Maybe this week you shouldn't grace us with your Season 8 ratings chart. The comparisons will be depressing!

Sorry, good news or bad, I have to post the Ratings! It's the highlight of my Friday mornings!
How sad is that! :lol:

costas22

04-24-2009, 02:15 PM

Sorry, good news or bad, I have to post the Ratings! It's the highlight of my Friday mornings!
How sad is that! :lol:

Hey, i am near your post tally and i have been here 13 months less! How sad is that?

ClarkyBoy14

04-24-2009, 02:49 PM

Kevin24

04-24-2009, 03:47 PM

Aries83

04-24-2009, 03:53 PM

I just hope the Live+7's will put it at 3.8 or 3.9 when all is said and done...

costas22

04-24-2009, 03:56 PM

I agree that's pretty sad:lol:

Whick one of us? Or both of us? :lol:

Mrs. Superman

04-24-2009, 04:10 PM

A series low? That's so sad. I was hoping we could go two whole seasons without hitting one. :(

Oh well, it looks like Smallville wasn't alone at all in its low ratings (thanks for the stats, BadToad!), and it should start to pick up all the way to the finale after this.
Is it a series low? In the article it just said season low, but I couldnt find the ratings for the entire series to confirm.

tyson08

04-24-2009, 04:13 PM

The series low before was a tie between "Prototype" from Season 6 and "Traveler" from Season 7 both with a rating of 3.40 million.

Prototype 6.21 - 3.40 million

Traveler 7.14 - 3.40 million

costas22

04-24-2009, 04:16 PM

Any word on the final rating yet?

tyson08

04-24-2009, 04:24 PM

It'll probably end up around 3.14, is my guess.

Supsfan

04-24-2009, 04:37 PM

Any word on the final rating yet?

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/181100602/p/6

Smallville
- 3.103 million viewers
- 2.0/3 HH
- 1.3/4 A18-49
- 1.3/5 A18-34

OkiyaShuichi

04-24-2009, 04:39 PM

oo thats sad...

costas22

04-24-2009, 04:40 PM

Thaks supsfan. History has been made. Stiletto definitely doesn't deserve to be the lowest rated episode. Beast's trailer and preview clips should bring in more viewers. I still believe that there is a realistic hope of getting 4mil with Doomsday.

tyson08

04-24-2009, 04:41 PM

"Stiletto" was a MUCH better episode than "Power" but got the worse rating, which goes to show that ratings don't mean jack.

darkone

04-24-2009, 04:44 PM

OkiyaShuichi

04-24-2009, 04:47 PM

I really hope the CW promote Beast, Injustice and Doomsday.

costas22

04-24-2009, 04:53 PM

They should have made a mega trailer for the last episodes just like they did for the previous 4. That did help raise the ratings a bit.

curiosity

04-24-2009, 05:06 PM

*snorts*

And considering how well the "Lana with powers" Episodes did in the ratings tells me that there is an interest in general for that kind of Episodes. Just not for all characters.

Lois didn't have powers in this episode. The "Lois with Powers" episode was rated higher than Lana with powers. Also, Lois is missing from too many episodes. If she were in every episode with more interaction between Lois and Clark the ratings would probably be higher. In addition to this, everytime someone makes Smallville great, they swipe them to do other shows. It's amazing without much Lois, (it's a huge downer she will be missing from the next 2 episodes and only in the last one) and swiped show runners, it's doing as well as it is.

And try to remember, Lana is now the past.

“The past is behind, learn from it. The future is ahead, prepare for it. The present is here, live it.”

----Thomas S. Monson.

Timester

04-24-2009, 05:11 PM

*snorts*

Seems like ED's radio tour didn't help much after all. Way to kick off the final arc.
And considering how well the "Lana with powers" Episodes did in the ratings tells me that there is an interest in general for that kind of Episodes. Just not for all characters.

Remind me again which reruns just had the LOWEST rating ever in Smallville in the last couple of weeks? Right.

DGirlLois4Clark

04-24-2009, 05:11 PM

*snorts*

Seems like ED's radio tour didn't help much after all. Way to kick off the final arc.
And considering how well the "Lana with powers" Episodes did in the ratings tells me that there is an interest in general for that kind of Episodes. Just not for all characters.

LOL @ This comment...

And now the my dad is bigger than urs arguments starts.

Maybe Erica should have done some TV interviews instead..ahahahaha

costas22

04-24-2009, 05:13 PM

Remind me again which reruns just had the LOWEST rating ever in Smallville in the last couple of weeks? Right.

Negative records all around recently.

SparkleforSmallville

04-24-2009, 05:17 PM

Ratings So Far:
*Smallville S8 Finals:
#1 Odyssey ~ *4.34 mil & Live+7= 4.80 mil.

#2 Plastique ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.78 mil.

#3 Toxic ~ *4.05 mil. & Live+7= 4.61 mil.

#4 Instinct ~ *4.12 mil. & Live+7= 4.71 mil.

#5 Committed ~ *4.18 mil. & Live+7= 4.73 mil.

#6 Prey ~ *4.16mil. & Live+7= 4.75 mil.

#7 Identity ~ *4.32 mil. & Live+7= 4.99 mil.

#8 Bloodline ~ *4.46 mil. & Live+7= 5.02 mil.

#9 Abyss ~ *3.56 mil. & Live+7= 4.38 mil.

#10 Bride ~ *4.19 mil. & (No Live+7 available, ever!)

#11 Legion ~ *4.30 mil. & Live+7= 4.89 mil.

#12 Bulletproof ~ *3.85 mil. & Live+7= 4.54 mil.

#13 Power ~ *4.21 mil. & Live+7= 4.94 mil.

#14 Requiem ~ *3.93 mil. & Live+7= 4.60 mil.

#15 Infamous ~ *3.57 mil. & Live+7= 4.22 mil.

#16 Turbulence ~ *3.49 mil. & Live+7= 4.09 mil.

#17 Hex ~ *3.80 mil. & Live+7= 4.49 mil.

#18 Eternal ~ *3.85 mil. & Live+7= 4.55 mil.

#19 Stiletto ~ *3.10 mil.

At 1.3/4 and 1.3/5, the demo really took a nosedive, too.:/

jsith99

04-24-2009, 05:19 PM

Kid Collins

04-24-2009, 05:23 PM

Remind me again which reruns just had the LOWEST rating ever in Smallville in the last couple of weeks? Right.

Well, reruns don't have the expectation of higher ratings. It doesn't matter since Lana's eps didn't have the honor of lowest rated ep EVER.

And if I remember correctly, you said that eps do lower ratings because it's a bad ep. So, I'm assuming that a lot of people thought Stilletto sucked. :lol: ;)

I can't say since I haven't had time to watch this ep yet. Studying for finals is kicking my ass.

That said, lower ratings have to do with competition more than anything else. It's definitely NOT because of Power and Requiem reruns. As someone said here, there have been 5 eps aired after Lana's exit and most regular viewers already know that she's long gone from the show. And when I watched the Power repeat, they showed a Stilletto commercial with Clois front and center in the clip. So if people didn't tune in to this ep, it had nothing to do with Lana's arc.

If people are going to take that excuse, MINE is that some viewers knew that Lana has left the show and simply stopped watching. :lol:

costas22

04-24-2009, 05:26 PM

Why do they always air the Lois episodes after breaks and during sporting events I know the character is popular from all the stories and stuff on the web But rating wise it looks like no one likes her

Their schedule was to air the 4 Lana episodes in a row and then go on a break. After that they also wanted to do 4 and then a break. They felt that Eternal had a better cliffhanger than Hex had. I don't think it's a matter of anyone liking her or not. She is not responisble for this rating. We had playoffs, Bones, a 3 weeks break and not a big trailer for the remaining episodes.

curiosity

04-24-2009, 05:28 PM

Well, reruns don't have the expectation of higher ratings. It doesn't matter since Lana's eps didn't have the honor of lowest rated ep EVER.
;)

The Lana arc lead to it.

I liked Stiletto. The only thing I didn't like was Chloe/ Davis, and the fact that Clark isn't dating Lois because of the Clana arc. And it's a huge downer that Lois was basically removed from the 2nd half of the show, and Clois is basically non existent. For me the Clana arc almost killed the show.

Timester

04-24-2009, 05:29 PM

Well, reruns don't have the expectation of higher ratings. It doesn't matter since Lana's eps didn't have the honor of lowest rated ep EVER.

And if I remember correctly, you said that eps do lower ratings because it's a bad ep. So, I'm assuming that a lot of people thought Stilletto sucked. :lol: ;)

I can't say since I haven't had time to watch this ep yet. Studying for finals is kicking my ass.

That said, lower ratings have to do with competition more than anything else. It's definitely NOT because of Power and Requiem reruns. As someone said here, there have been 5 eps aired after Lana's exit and most regular viewers already know that she's long gone from the show. And when I watched the Power repeat, they showed a Stilletto commercial with Clois front and center in the clip. So if people didn't tune in to this ep, it had nothing to do with Lana's arc.

If people are going to take that excuse, MINE is that some viewers knew that Lana has left the show and simply stopped watching. :lol:

WHOOSH.

That's would be the sound of the point that you've missed.

Kid Collins

04-24-2009, 05:31 PM

The Lana arc lead to it.

Yeah, right. You need to look a the ratings history of this show. Lana centered eps ratings are usually ranked one of the highest for every season. That's a fact.

lm1212

04-24-2009, 05:32 PM

Wow, my heart almost breaks for those ratings.

Timester

04-24-2009, 05:37 PM

MOD EDIT
Heck, people even came to the conclusion that ALL shows last night dropped badly.

Jaderoyale

04-24-2009, 05:40 PM

Yeah, right. You need to look a the ratings history of this show. Lana centered eps ratings are usually ranked one of the highest for every season. That's a fact.

That may have been a fact for earlier seasons, but not this season. Yes, Power did well; but Requiem not so much.
Fair enough Stiletto didn't do as well as expected; however, other Lois centred epis have done well. Bloodline still remains the highest rated of the season.

costas22

04-24-2009, 05:45 PM

Guys it's not about Lana or Lois. This show's ratings depend entirely on the competition. If Stiletto would have aired on the date Power did, it would have got the same rating with Power at least. Personally, i have stopped judging episodes on their ratings a long time ago.

Kid Collins

04-24-2009, 05:55 PM

MOD EDIT

That may have been a fact for earlier seasons, but not this season. Yes, Power did well; but Requiem not so much.
Fair enough Stiletto didn't do as well as expected; however, other Lois centred epis have done well. Bloodline still remains the highest rated of the season.

Requiem still did better than any ep that aired after it.

Well Bloodline also had the return of Kara. Can't discount her for the higher ratings.
If it was all about Lois....Stilletto doesn't back that up. :lol:;)

Supsfan

04-24-2009, 05:58 PM

They should have made a mega trailer for the last episodes just like they did for the previous 4. That did help raise the ratings a bit.

Looking back at this season

1. They should make the storylines more consistent. The first half this season had a consistent feel to it but then you have the Lana arc, then a Lois episode, then a Davis episode, then a "Chlois" episode, then another Davis episode, then a Lois episode, etc. Find 2 stories that relate to Clark and make them a part of every episode somehow

2. They should have got the Lana arc over and done with the first 5 episodes

3. They should find a better way to space out episodes(ie less breaks)

4. Stop making Clark a secondary character on his own show.

costas22

04-24-2009, 06:02 PM

Looking back at this season

1. They should make the storylines more consistent. The first half this season had a consistent feel to it but then you have the Lana arc, then a Lois episode, then a Davis episode, then a "Chlois" episode, then another Davis episode, then a Lois episode, etc. Find 2 stories that relate to Clark and make them a part of every episode somehow

2. They should have got the Lana arc over and done with the first 5 episodes

3. They should find a better way to space out episodes(ie less breaks)

4. Stop making Clark a secondary character on his own show.

I agree on all 4 points. Unfortunately none of the 4 can be resolved right now. But they do have time for a trailer. Make it over the weekend and air it from Monday. They always did these trailers for the final episodes and it helped create a buzz.

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----

I meant both of you but I have alot of post in a short amount of time too:lol:

You are also sad! :lol:

Nah, you are ok. I have been here after you and i have three times your posts.

Supsfan

04-24-2009, 06:05 PM

I agree on all 4 points. Unfortunately none of the 4 can be resolved right now. But they do have time for a trailer. Make it over the weekend and air it from Monday. They always did these trailers for the final episodes and it helped create a buzz.

I don't think a trailer will create much buzz. If people like what they are seeing the ratings will get progressively better as each episode passes(sort of like Toxic->Bloodline got progressively better), if they don't then ratings will drop. Injustice might be able to bring in a few comic book fans, setting up for the final

Kevin24

04-24-2009, 06:06 PM

Yup Smallville had alot of positive buzz during the first half of the season. Now it's really died down but it seems alot of tv shows have died down since the first half of tv season.

I wonder if the NBA playoffs are playing a big role in the decline of TV shows lower ratings yesterday? Have the ratings been lower since the playoffs started last week?

Laker-Jazz game was awesome yesterday

costas22

04-24-2009, 06:10 PM

My reasoning behind the trailer is that it's once in a lifetime opportunity for Smallville to do the Clark-DD fight and they should try to promote it as much as they can.The other problem is that the competition is not fixing to get easier by the finale. I believe that the ratings will start to raise because these 4 episodes are shown in order of importance so the plot will get better by the finale. But i don't know what kind of ratings raise we can hope for.

Jaderoyale

04-24-2009, 06:17 PM

Requiem still did better than any ep that aired after it.

But it had a massive drop from Power. Infamous was after the hiatus, so the ratins drop was understood and expected, in fact the ratings were going up till this week.
I can understand why Stiletto didn't get as many viewers; the episode wasn't as good as i was expecting it to be and in all honesty was not promoted as much as other episodes previously have been. However, its not just SV's ratings that dropped for this week.

Well Bloodline also had the return of Kara. Can't discount her for the higher ratings.

I know that. But the promotion the episode, the trailers, photos etc, showed Lois and Clark in the PZ and Lois as Faora.

Look at the earlier episodes of the season and see how the episodes ratings were extremley higher. There was a lot of buzz, as it was promised as a Clois centred season and Clark's development into Superman. Now thats all died down the ratings have too. I'm not saying Clois is the reason for high ratings, i never say that; what i mean is, the writers choice to slow things down may not sit well with some people. Or others may not like whatever storyline has been represented.

If it was all about Lois....Stilletto doesn't back that up. :lol:;)

See my first quoted part about Stiletto, i'm not going to repeat myself.

ClarkyBoy14

04-24-2009, 06:24 PM

MOD EDIT

But i don't know what kind of ratings raise we can hope for.

A big one, I hope.

marcella

04-24-2009, 06:25 PM

I hope ratings increase for Beast

Kevin24

04-24-2009, 06:28 PM

I hope ratings increase for Beast

Best post in the whole thread!:)

Jaderoyale

04-24-2009, 06:32 PM

I hope ratings increase for Beast

Tbh.
I want good ratings for the last three.
I'll probably hit something if Injustice doesn't do well.

marcella

04-24-2009, 06:42 PM

Tbh.
I want good ratings for the last three.
I'll probably hit something if Injustice doesn't do well.

Lol, for me it would happen if Doomsday doesn't do well

costas22

04-24-2009, 06:44 PM

Lol, for me it would happen if Doomsday doesn't do well

The Season 9 premiere entitled Costas will get Smallville back to 8 mil. Who wouldn't want to see me Dooming and going after Souders and Peterson if something happens to Tess?

marcella

04-24-2009, 06:44 PM

Best post in the whole thread!:)

Thanks:D

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----

The Season 9 premiere entitled Costas will get Smallville back to 8 mil. Who wouldn't want to see me Dooming and going after Souders and Peterson if something happens to Tess?

That would be a very interesting premiere:lol:

costas22

04-24-2009, 06:48 PM

That would be a very interesting premiere:lol:

Oh you will be there too. You will be the only one who could help keep the PS murderer from coming out. :lol:

Luiz Fernando

04-24-2009, 06:50 PM

Final Numbers

Smallville
- 3.103 million viewers
- 2.0/3 HH
- 1.3/4 A18-49
- 1.3/5 A18-34

marcella

04-24-2009, 06:50 PM

Oh you will be there too. You will be the only one who could help keep the PS murderer from coming out. :lol:

I just don't want to carry bags with bodies inside:lol:

That would be traumatizing

superpal1

04-24-2009, 06:50 PM

Im rather bummed that the ratings werent so good. I have to say putting some reruns in the mix didnt help at all. Its unfortunate because I really liked Stilleto.

tyson08

04-24-2009, 06:51 PM

The only way the ratings are going to get better is if the CW starts promoting Smallville and the PLOT for the next three episodes which is Clark/Doomsday/Justice League/Injustice League.

The casual viewer has no idea what's going on in the next episodes because, like someone else pointed out, the showrunners haven't done a great job with putting their episodes together with the plot. They should have done "Stiletto" and "Hex" and really "Eternal" before "Beast". It's all about developing a flow with what's going on and their random plots in the middle of eachother isn't helping.

marcella

04-24-2009, 06:53 PM

costas22

04-24-2009, 07:00 PM

I just don't want to carry bags with bodies inside:lol:

That would be traumatizing
Eventually you will have to "feed" me! :lol:

Anyway,the competition for the show won't get easier until the finale. The playoffs will continue as will Bones until May 14th. Let's just hope that we start gaining momentum in Beast and that the ratings will rise with each episode. Goodnight from me.

marcella

04-24-2009, 07:02 PM

Eventually you will have to "feed" me! :lol:

:rotfl:

Anyway,the competition for the show won't get easier until the finale. The playoffs will continue as will Bones until May 14th. Let's just hope that we start gaining momentum in Beast and that the ratings will rise with each episode. Goodnight from me.That's not good:\

Here is my hope that we get 4 million for Doomsday

irongatealpha

04-24-2009, 07:02 PM

Stiletto after Eternal didn't make a lot of sense

Exactly, the promo right after Eternal was a big WTF for me. It felt like a giant step back. Sorry for those that like Lois. Not surprised by the ratings to be frank. Not at all. The promo looked cheesy and corny as hell. Someone else said it a few posts above. They should of had Hex and Stiletto back to back towards the first half of the season. They were both filler gimmicky episodes. Then leave the darker more serious episodes to lead off into the finale without disruption and set up a proper flow and rhytmn.

But of course just my opinion.

tyson08

04-24-2009, 07:04 PM

I agree. CW isn't promoting the show ( Stiletto didn't have stills, for example) and Stiletto after Eternal didn't make a lot of sense

Exactly, "Stiletto" was a really good episode and would have fit much better if it had been the episode after "Hex". Then they could have have "Eternal" then "Beast" and so on. It just makes more sense. One thing that doesn't make sense was the break. I would have much rather had those two weeks between "Eternal" and "Stiletto" to be somewhere else maybe even between "Bride" and "Legion", I think I could have handled two more weeks. Because that way the ratings would keep building along with the interest from the fans.

marcella

04-24-2009, 07:05 PM

Exactly, "Stiletto" was a really good episode and would have fit much better if it had been the episode after "Hex". Then they could have have "Eternal" then "Beast" and so on. It just makes more sense. One thing that doesn't make sense was the break. I would have much rather had those two weeks between "Eternal" and "Stiletto" to be somewhere else maybe even between "Bride" and "Legion", I think I could have handled two more weeks. Because that way the ratings would keep building along with the interest from the fans.

And I have a feeling that maybe it can happen with Injustice too...

terri7015

04-24-2009, 07:10 PM

Well either my tv was messed up on just one channel or the channel was messed up. The screen would get like stuck. I counted the longest time it wouldn't go was 8 min!!! I would miss like entire scenes! And there were other times that it did it just not as long. I missed more than half of Smallville after I had been waiting for it for 3 weeks. Saying that I was upset was an understatement! MOD EDIT

Jaderoyale

04-24-2009, 07:22 PM

Lol, for me it would happen if Doomsday doesn't do well

I want Injustice to do well because its the penultimate; the episode before the finale.
Plus i'm hoping it will because of TW directing. He always does well and i hope this year is no exception.

Polomontana

04-24-2009, 07:30 PM

No more Lois themed episodes please!!

This was a horrible filler episode and the producers have this obsession with Erica(Lois).

They thought showing her in a tight black suit would attract viewers. Lois is not the popular character. Chloe is and they keep trying to ruin a good character. When Clark finds out about Davis that will not be good.

Kid Collins

04-24-2009, 08:19 PM

But it had a massive drop from Power. Infamous was after the hiatus, so the ratins drop was understood and expected, in fact the ratings were going up till this week.

Well if your going to take that reasoning, then Bloodline must've really sucked because Abyss aired with 900,000 viewers less the following week.

While the audience for Requiem only dropped by 280,000 viewers. That's with a new Bones episode which SV didn't have as competition during the first arc of this season.

AND Lois heavy ep also had the honors with one of the lowest rated eps ever with Prototype.

I know that. But the promotion the episode, the trailers, photos etc, showed Lois and Clark in the PZ and Lois as Faora.

But it also showed alot of Kara and LV did interviews to promote her ep.

Look at the earlier episodes of the season and see how the episodes ratings were extremley higher. There was a lot of buzz, as it was promised as a Clois centred season and Clark's development into Superman. Now thats all died down the ratings have too. I'm not saying Clois is the reason for high ratings, i never say that; what i mean is, the writers choice to slow things down may not sit well with some people. Or others may not like whatever storyline has been represented.

Ratings for the first arc of Season 8 is STILL lower than the first arc of Season 7. That's a fact.

So having Clois front and center in this show, still didn't increase the ratings from the previous season. If Clois was the end all, there should've been a HUGE spike in the beginning of the season since ED promoted the crap out of this show and did tons of interviews. But the buzz wasn't that great since the Season premier ratings weren't at all stellar.

Mrs. Superman

04-24-2009, 08:42 PM

Well if your going to take that reasoning, then Bloodline must've really sucked because Abyss aired with 900,000 viewers less the following week.

While the audience for Requiem only dropped by 280,000 viewers. That's with a new Bones episode which SV didn't have as competition during the first arc of this season.

That makes no sense because Abyss was blacked out in NEW YORK CITY. Thats right, the undisputed number 1 market did not broadcast Abyss that night. Not to mention Bloodline, the highest rated episode this season, followed Identity, a very strong Clark, Lois and Clois episode. So that right there puts a huge hole in your reasoning.

curiosity

04-24-2009, 08:45 PM

Yeah, right. You need to look a the ratings history of this show. Lana centered eps ratings are usually ranked one of the highest for every season. That's a fact.

Not this season, and that's a fact. The Lois centered episodes BEFORE the Lana arc were the highest rated for season 8. Bloodline was the episode where Lois had powers, the highest of the season. Committed was also high in the ratings, higher than Lana episodes.

Lana is now the past.

“The past is behind, learn from it. The future is ahead, prepare for it. The present is here, live it.”

----Thomas S. Monson.

Mrs. Superman

04-24-2009, 08:46 PM

Ratings for the first arc of Season 8 is STILL lower than the first arc of Season 7. That's a fact.

So having Clois front and center in this show, still didn't increase the ratings from the previous season. If Clois was the end all, there should've been a HUGE spike in the beginning of the season since ED promoted the crap out of this show and did tons of interviews. But the buzz wasn't that great since the Season premier ratings weren't at all stellar.

The end of season 7 was considerably lower than the beginning of season 8, and pretty much the first half of season 8 until around Bulletproof. That means that something drew back viewers or brought new viewers in. That is very important, and was recognized as such by the media when they praised or shared their amazement that it was still holding strong.

Kid Collins

04-24-2009, 09:42 PM

MOD EDIT

That makes no sense because Abyss was blacked out in NEW YORK CITY. Thats right, the undisputed number 1 market did not broadcast Abyss that night. Not to mention Bloodline, the highest rated episode this season, followed Identity, a very strong Clark, Lois and Clois episode. So that right there puts a huge hole in your reasoning.

New York City won't cause a 900,000 drop in the viewers please. That's 1/4 of SV's viewership! If SV gets 4million viewers that is. :lol:

Bloodline also had the return of Kara and featured heavily in the trailer. And Identity was promoted as Clark getting his identity figured out by Jimmy. It wasn't promoted as a Clois heavy ep.

You gotta only go by the trailer and not promo pics, etc. Only viewers that go online see promo pics or care about them. Casual viewers only see trailers and judge whether to watch an ep or not based on that.

Not this season, and that's a fact. The Lois centered episodes BEFORE the Lana arc were the highest rated for season 8. Bloodline was the episode where Lois had powers, the highest of the season. Committed was also high in the ratings, higher than Lana episodes.

see above.

Bloodline still did worst than S7's Blue in the ratings.

Lana is now the past.

She maybe gone but she's still Clark's first choice. Don't forget that.

The end of season 7 was considerably lower than the beginning of season 8, and pretty much the first half of season 8 until around Bulletproof. That means that something drew back viewers or brought new viewers in. That is very important, and was recognized as such by the media when they praised or shared their amazement that it was still holding strong.

It's funny but I have side to side comparison between S7 and S8

Notice when S8 started to get higher ratings than S7. It's when Lana came back to the show. Prior to that, it was S7 all the way.

And you also have to remember that S7 suffered ratings loss due to the Writer's Strike and 2 episodes less than S8.

And the bolded ratings below is when S8 started to catch up . I attribute the lower ratings because Lana was absent for 4 of them. :D

S7 S8
1)Bizarro 5.18 1)Odyssey 4.34
2)Kara 4.59 2)Plastique 4.59
3)Fierce 4.82 3)Toxic 4.05
4)Cure 5.18 4)Instinct 4.12
5)Action 4.65 5)Committed 4.18
6) Lara 4.38 6)Prey 4.16
7) Wrath 4.64 7)Identity 4.32
8) Blue 4.51 8) Bloodline 4.46
9)Gemini 3.71 9) Abyss 3.56
10) Persona 3.81 10) Bride 4.19
11) Siren 4.01 11) Legion 4.30
12) Fracture 3.67 12) Bulletproof 3.85
13) Hero 3.81 13) Power 4.21
14) Traveler 3.44 14) Requiem 3.93
15) Veritas 3.86 15) Infamous 3.57
16) Descent 3.61 16)Turbulence 3.49
17) Sleeper 3.62 17) Hex 3.80
18) Apocalypse 3.81 18) Eternal 3.85
19) Quest 3.96 19)Stilleto 3.10
20) Arctic 20) Beast

Supsfan

04-24-2009, 09:51 PM

It's funny but I have side to side comparison between S7 and S8

One thing I will say about the ratings is whatever the show did from Toxic -> Bloodline, they should take note. A steady increase, episode after episode is probably one of the best trends you can see towards fan reaction to a show.

I think the major things I remember from those episodes is they basically told a story that continued on each episode, they all were very Clark centric(something which the second half seems to have lost focus of). It also helps that all those episodes were on in a row.

SnowBird

04-24-2009, 10:00 PM

I don't know why any character has to be blamed for lower ratings. It says on the news page of K-Site:

Smallville took a dive ratings-wise this week, and it wasn't the only one - nearly everything this Thursday night was lower than usual levels.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

There are various reasons why the ratings go up and down and none of them have to do solely with who is featured in any one week of Smallville, imo.

justme_007

04-24-2009, 10:20 PM

bad ratings - the show has lost many cast members . that´s the reason. and the episode´s plot was not the best. allison mack saved the day

Supsfan

04-24-2009, 10:24 PM

bad ratings - the show has lost many cast members . that´s the reason. and the episode´s plot was not the best. allison mack saved the day

Still it pulled above 3.8M it's past 2 epsiodes. I don't think it's 1 thing that is the issue, but alot of little things, the producers need to take a long hard look and see why the ratings have been getting progressively worse since season 2 and try fix those issues. I have my personaly opinions(ie Clark is the Main Character, treat him like it) what they can do to fix the show

cloisthelegendbegins

04-24-2009, 10:36 PM

bad ratings - the show has lost many cast members . that´s the reason. and the episode´s plot was not the best. allison mack saved the day

We're just ignoring the fact that 11 shows dropped in the ratings then are we? And I'm sorry but this x,y and z character is responsible for good ratings and therefore is the saviour of Smallville is rubbish IMO. If AM is saving the day and she's in all 22 episodes then why is there any kind of a fluctuation/drop??? Are we saying Chloe fans don't tune in for all the episodes Chloe is in?

MrED

04-24-2009, 10:50 PM

Lois is the best on Smallville after Clark. She is a BIG part of the superman mythology MOD EDIT

The ratings was not so good because of the 2 lana centric repeat episodes and all shows was down but the awfull repeats did not help at all

Supsfan

04-24-2009, 10:53 PM

The ratings was not so good because of the 2 lana centric repeat episodes and all shows was down but the awfull repeats did not help at all

I think the Lana centric repeats might have had minimal effect on the ratings but they definantly would have been smarter using repeats that line up with the final 4 episodes better(I might have did Odyssey and Plastique)

Mrs. Superman

04-24-2009, 10:59 PM

New York City won't cause a 900,000 drop in the viewers please. That's 1/4 of SV's viewership! If SV gets 4million viewers that is. :lol:

Bloodline also had the return of Kara and featured heavily in the trailer. And Identity was promoted as Clark getting his identity figured out by Jimmy. It wasn't promoted as a Clois heavy ep.

You gotta only go by the trailer and not promo pics, etc. Only viewers that go online see promo pics or care about them. Casual viewers only see trailers and judge whether to watch an ep or not based on that.

If you go episode by episode you have to go by what the episode included. Infamous was heavy on the Cloisness. Any casual viewer would have noticed that and STILL there was an increase in ratings for Bloodline, enought to make it the number one this season. As I recall the Bloodline trailer had a good amount of Lois in it, which didnt hurt. And I would argue that New York is big enough to have THAT kind of impact on the ratings. In a city of over 8 million ppl, a large percent of that 900,000 is likely from the blackout. Without it I believe that the ratings would have been similar, since Abyss was really the only "bad rating" in the first half of the season.

It's funny but I have side to side comparison between S7 and S8

Notice when S8 started to get higher ratings than S7. It's when Lana came back to the show. Prior to that, it was S7 all the way.

And you also have to remember that S7 suffered ratings loss due to the Writer's Strike and 2 episodes less than S8.

And the bolded ratings below is when S8 started to catch up . I attribute the lower ratings because Lana was absent for 4 of them. :D

S7 S8
1)Bizarro 5.18 1)Odyssey 4.34
2)Kara 4.59 2)Plastique 4.59
3)Fierce 4.82 3)Toxic 4.05
4)Cure 5.18 4)Instinct 4.12
5)Action 4.65 5)Committed 4.18
6) Lara 4.38 6)Prey 4.16
7) Wrath 4.64 7)Identity 4.32
8) Blue 4.51 8) Bloodline 4.46
9)Gemini 3.71 9) Abyss 3.56
10) Persona 3.81 10) Bride 4.19
11) Siren 4.01 11) Legion 4.30
12) Fracture 3.67 12) Bulletproof 3.85
13) Hero 3.81 13) Power 4.21
14) Traveler 3.44 14) Requiem 3.93
15) Veritas 3.86 15) Infamous 3.57
16) Descent 3.61 16)Turbulence 3.49
17) Sleeper 3.62 17) Hex 3.80
18) Apocalypse 3.81 18) Eternal 3.85
19) Quest 3.96 19)Stilleto 3.10
20) Arctic 20) Beast
Every season has gone down in ratings, since season 3 or 4 and that can not be attributed to cast members leaving. Those side by side stats are pointless, especially when you ignore the season stats.

What it comes down to is that you can put a spin on it to fit the scenario either way. 2 of Lana's episodes dipped under 4 million (and prior to that, that only happened in a Lois less episode). That is also when things started going south ratings wise **REQUIEM***. I could argue that smallville lost a lot of viewers on that storyline which is why post power the ratings have tumbled.

When you state that competition is what you believe brought the ratings down, I agree with that. When you get into the Lana s here Lanas not and thats why, I just cant. This first half of the season was chock full of no Lana episodes, and it did great. Yes Lana took some fans with her, and yes Lex did as well, but the impact is a LOT less than what was predicted.

cloisthelegendbegins

04-24-2009, 11:07 PM

If you go episode by episode you have to go by what the episode included. Infamous was heavy on the Cloisness. Any casual viewer would have noticed that and STILL there was an increase in ratings for Bloodline, enought to make it the number one this season. As I recall the Bloodline trailer had a good amount of Lois in it, which didnt hurt. And I would argue that New York is big enough to have THAT kind of impact on the ratings. In a city of over 8 million ppl, a large percent of that 900,000 is likely from the blackout. Without it I believe that the ratings would have been similar, since Abyss was really the only "bad rating" in the first half of the season.

This is pointless because you can put a spin on it to fit the scenario either way. 2 of Lana's episodes dipped under 4 million (and prior to that, that only happened in a Lois less episode).

When you stated that competition is what you believe brought the ratings down, I agree with that. When you get into the Lana s here Lanas not and thats why, I just cant. This first half of the season was chock full of no Lana episodes, and it did great. Every season has gone down in ratings, since season 3 or 4 and that can not be attributed to cast members leaving. Yes Lana took some fans with her, and yes Lex did as well, but the impact is a LOT less than what was predicted.

Exactly. And ITA. There's no point in comparing season seven episodes to season eight episodes without looking at things like when they aired - how big a gap was there between them - what was on against them on other channels, etc etc etc ad nauseum.

Simple fact. Smallville is still the CW's top rated scripted show. Smallville has been renewed for season nine. Beyond that I don't think ratings matter much at this point. And if Lana was such an amazing draw why didn't figures sky rocket and how did the show manage before her return? IT STILL GOT RENEWED WITHOUT HER. I'm sick to death of these debates about who is better than who and who is more of a draw than who. I left High School a long time ago.

Supsfan

04-24-2009, 11:16 PM

Mrs. Superman

04-24-2009, 11:25 PM

Exactly. And ITA. There's no point in comparing season seven episodes to season eight episodes without looking at things like when they aired - how big a gap was there between them - what was on against them on other channels, etc etc etc ad nauseum.

Simple fact. Smallville is still the CW's top rated scripted show. Smallville has been renewed for season nine. Beyond that I don't think ratings matter much at this point. And if Lana was such an amazing draw why didn't figures sky rocket and how did the show manage before her return? IT STILL GOT RENEWED WITHOUT HER. I'm sick to death of these debates about who is better than who and who is more of a draw than who. I left High School a long time ago.
Quoted for the truth. And you can count me as one of those who are sick of these debates. So, with that, I'm going to do my best to steer clear of these pointless no win arguments.

aceofclubs

04-24-2009, 11:31 PM

I think the ratings drop is because of the nba and nhl playoffs. the nba playoffs alone is stiff competition.

Ella

04-24-2009, 11:55 PM

MOD EDIT

Lana centered eps ratings are usually ranked one of the highest for every season. That's a fact. What is also a fact is that the last episode that Lana appeared in, arguably the most highly anticipated episode for Lana fans, Requiem received a rating score of 3.93 while the last episode before this last three week hiatus, Eternal, received a rating score of 3.85, without Lana and without Lois. So if Lana is so important to the ratings, why was an episode like Eternal able to spike in the ratings and get almost the same score as the most anticipated Lana episode of the season?

The answer: Lana doesn't affect the as much as people like to say she does. What has always been the biggest factor in ratings are the stories. And outside factors such as long breaks before episodes and stiff competition are the biggest contributors to bad ratings. Now, if Lana's departure would have really had an impact, the show would have never been able to get an increase in ratings.

As for Stiletto, if Smallville had been the only series to take a serious ratings dive, I'd be more focused on the story as the reason, but the FACT that 11 other shows showed the same trend makes it obvious that outside factors played a VERY LARGE role in the ratings.

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This was a horrible filler episode and the producers have this obsession with Erica(Lois).
This episode was not a filler. Please check the definition of the word before tossing it around because you are using it inappropriately.

They thought showing her in a tight black suit would attract viewers.So now you are psychoanalyzing the producers of the series? How do you know what they were thinking?

Lois is not the popular character.That is YOUR opinion and you cannot prove that Lois is an unpopular character.

Chloe is and they keep trying to ruin a good character. Again, your opinion. I think Chloe IS a popular character but there is no way to say she is more popular than Clark, Lois, Lana, etc. No way. So yeah, you can think she is the most popular but proving something as subjective as popularity is never going to happen.

SVFancross

04-25-2009, 12:24 AM

Ratings drop in the spring and are too random to really make much more of a statement than that. Especially with Fox and it's American Idol juggernaut. Fox seems to really shift things around in the spring so you never know exactly what your competition is going to be week to week for some nights.

I think it's fair to say many Lana fans hung around until her arc was over to understand continuity but many came back only for her 5 episodes and many moved off after they were done. That doesn't mean this is the basis of the ratings. I think the ratings for spring are just too unpredictable besides "lower than fall". I think the networks know this and most of their major decisions are based on how well a show performs in the fall and if it keeps it's demo. Now if the rest of season 8 is fluttering near the 3M mark (versus one episode), I think they might notice. Personally, I expect the final 3 episodes to do better as they are all one continuous story from what I can tell.

Now, come fall, THERE will be the true test IMO. S8 was billed as Lois & Clark in the fall and did better than expected but still less than S7. What will S9 be billed as? We don't know yet so making predictions on show success or failure seems sketchy at best until after mid-October.

Finally, the CW has no choice. It's a struggling network with far lower standards for ratings than the other networks and won't drop it's highest rated scripted show if they can afford it. They may look at these numbers completely differently and say anything over 3M is a "woo-hoo!". I'd hazard a guess ratings would have to drop closer to 2M before they decided to chuck the show for another frenemy teen girl show.

ChlarkerFan

04-25-2009, 02:33 AM

PJBoy

04-25-2009, 02:45 AM

MOD EDITEleven shows in total suffered in the ratings. I've been chatting about this on a general Supernatural forum and it's pretty much a consensus there that the episode itself did not generate the awful ratings. MOD EDIT Personally, I didn't like Stiletto. I gave it a 5 out of 10, but I know it wasn't so awful that it deserved a 3.1 in the ratings. There have been worst episodes this season by far. And unless Lois and her leather outfit made a cameo on the other 10 shows then I don't see how we can blame this on her character.

All I hope for next week is that whatever happened this week is overcome. Next week looks like an amazing/intense episode and I hope that a lot of people tune in!
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hero`s passion

04-25-2009, 05:04 AM

[mod edit] And as far as I see it`s no matter good episode or it`s awful, ratings depends on the situation and promotion...

F..l

04-25-2009, 05:10 AM

And as far as I see it`s no matter good episode or it`s awful, ratings depends on the situation and promotion...
Yes, I agree with you ... but 3,1 mil. is very bad :(
I hope for higher ratings for next three epizodes,it's final epizodes and it could grow up :)

Timester

04-25-2009, 05:17 AM

I think it's fair to say many Lana fans hung around until her arc was over to understand continuity but many came back only for her 5 episodes and many moved off after they were done.

I think is not, because Requiem had 3.95 mil, a drop considering Power.

That a huge factor for telling how ratings work. That it has nothing to do with the characters, but the stories.

This week? It's a ratings failure on ALL shows on TV, so there is no fault here.

hero`s passion

04-25-2009, 05:20 AM

Yes, I agree with you ... but 3,1 mil. is very bad :(
I hope for higher ratings for next three epizodes,it's final epizodes and it could grow up :)

it`s bad, but it`s ok for me, season 9 is confirmed, so I don`t care about ratings so much, I like this episode very much I think it was great and what other people think it`s their own busyness...I understand that if they are Chloe or Lana fans they could simply not watch it...I personaly don`t like Chlavis centric episodes, but it doesn`t mean they are bad...:)

costas22

04-25-2009, 05:21 AM

Just have to wait for next week to see how we cope. The competition will not get easier though. A big trailer for the next 3 episodes might have helped a lot at this point.

Kid Collins

04-25-2009, 06:32 AM

MOD EDIT

That said, and I've been consistent with this, is that competition for the most part is what affects SV's ratings. You only need to see what impact Bones had on the ratings for this show. Ever since it started airing on Thursdays, it took a chunk of SV's ratings with it.
I called it already when I found out that Bones is moving MOD EDIT

What I do have a problem with is making excuses about Lana or Clana's impact on the ratings. Using Lana/Clana eps to excuse the lower ratings for the next episode and using it's competition and everything dropped when the ratings don't go well for Lois/Clois rated eps. MOD EDIT

I think is not, because Requiem had 3.95 mil, a drop considering Power.

That a huge factor for telling how ratings work. That it has nothing to do with the characters, but the stories.

Really? So what happened with the drop in ratings from Infamous 3.57 million to Turbulence 3.49 million? From your explanation, it's because some people didn't like Infamous and that's why they didn't tune into Turbulence.

This week? It's a ratings failure on ALL shows on TV, so there is no fault here.

That's right COMPETITION lowered the ratings. Just like it did for Requiem.

If you go episode by episode you have to go by what the episode included. Infamous was heavy on the Cloisness. Any casual viewer would have noticed that and STILL there was an increase in ratings for Bloodline, enought to make it the number one this season. As I recall the Bloodline trailer had a good amount of Lois in it, which didnt hurt. And I would argue that New York is big enough to have THAT kind of impact on the ratings. In a city of over 8 million ppl, a large percent of that 900,000 is likely from the blackout. Without it I believe that the ratings would have been similar, since Abyss was really the only "bad rating" in the first half of the season.

Well, Bloodline was number 1 in the ratings but I wonder how it would’ve done if Bones was opposite it?

And you can’t take away that Season 7 is still ranked higher in the ratings than Season 8. Fact.

Every season has gone down in ratings, since season 3 or 4 and that can not be attributed to cast members leaving. Those side by side stats are pointless, especially when you ignore the season stats.

Wrong. Got this info right in this forum.

Season average for Season 5 is higher than Season 4. Yes, ratings tend to be lower the older the show but there are exceptions. And Season 1 and Season 2.

Season 1 (2001-2002): 6.41 million
Season 2 (2002-2003): 7.78 million
Season 3 (2003-2004): 5.63 million
Season 4 (2004-2005): 5.03 million
Season 5 (2005-2006): 5.32 million

costas22

04-25-2009, 06:52 AM

That said, and I've been consistent with this, is that competition for the most part is what affects SV's ratings. You only need to see what impact Bones had on the ratings for this show. Ever since it started airing on Thursdays, it took a chunk of SV's ratings with it.
I called it already when I found out that Bones is moving and some people in here refused to believe me. Whatever.

I have been a believer of this since the start. All i needed was to see the ratings since the turn of the year and before March Madness. Legion and Power weren't against Bones and they went over 4mil. Bulletproof and Requiem were against Bones so they were below 4mil. After that, along with Bones we had March Madness and now the playoffs. It's a tall order for Smallville to get back to where it was in Autumn.

Timester

04-25-2009, 07:42 AM

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Kid Collins

04-25-2009, 07:43 AM

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amberdawn

04-25-2009, 08:35 AM

Why are people arguing about this? A lot of popular shows were low on Thursday. Not just Smallville.

Mickey_Bickey

04-25-2009, 08:48 AM

Why are people arguing about this? A lot of popular shows were low on Thursday. Not just Smallville.

I agree, but also the playoffs, and Smallville can't compete against that no matter who's on the show.

costas22

04-25-2009, 08:54 AM

Males will be tempted to watch sports while they are live. I know i would have. You can always record Smallville and watch it later and it feels the same. But with sports, it's not the same. Smallville always had this drop due to March Madness or the playoffs. And this year we have also had a more direct threat so to speak in Bones.

clois-destiny-forever

04-25-2009, 08:55 AM

I really think they need to promote SV more. More trailers and more exposure would draw people in. It's not the characters' fault, there's natural dips in a show.

Everything was down this week. It happens.

Timester

04-25-2009, 08:57 AM

Ella

04-25-2009, 09:01 AM

People blamed Lana for the ratings when it wasn't her fault and it was upsetting. But now blaming Lois for the ratings when it CLEARLY wasn't her fault isn't going to fix things. Two wrongs have never made a right and they won't start now. Lois is not to blame for the ratings failure. Characters rarely are. But yeah, if you all are upset about the Lana bashing due to the ratings, I can understand it.

Black Panda

04-25-2009, 09:03 AM

I've been chatting about this on a general Supernatural forum and it's pretty much a consensus there that the episode itself did not generate the awful ratings.
But Supernatural didn't have it's worst rated episode ever did it? This was the worst rated episode after Prototype, was it not (honest question, I'm not sure where it stands after the finals)? Smallville was down 19%, as I understand. Where other shows slid, it plummeted. So a lot of folks decided not to watch shows and this episode of Smallville seemed particularly missable.

My Name is Earl went up. I don't know what's happening over there, but now I'm curious.
If Lois were really ratings gold, we should have seen something like Earl, or at least a shallower dip.

Actually though, I don't blame Lois. There are probably Lois centric episodes people would tune in to see. I blame the fact that the previews made Lois look ridiculous and the episode look silly and there were plenty of good reasons not to watch bad TV on Thursday.

Lexgirl33

04-25-2009, 09:08 AM

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myankskent

04-25-2009, 09:12 AM

DGirlLois4Clark

04-25-2009, 09:15 AM

Wow.. people, can we pls all just get along.

There, there..I hope u all feel better soon.

Smallville has already been renewed and if ratings reach 1 million next week..season nine will still go ahead. Nothing is going to change that.

Black Panda

04-25-2009, 09:20 AM

I would like to see if the ratings for the other shows dropped as much as Smallville did.

This is all I know, others might have other figures to add.

From TV Guide:

"This Thursday, every single network show — save for one! — dropped (if not plunged) from its previous outing. Here's how the breakdown breaks down:

8 pm/ET
Survivor topped the hour with an audience of 11.38 million total viewers, down 240K week-to-week. Bones sewed up second with 8.22 mil, down 500 thou. My Name Is Earl was the night's lone gainer, inching up 200K to 5.5 mil. Lead-out Parks and Recreation, however, dropped 11 percent, to 5.24 mil.

Smallville barely managed 3 mil, plunging 19 percent from its last fresh outing."

So check my math but
Survivor down 21%,
Bone down 6%
Earl up 3%
Parks down 11%
Smallville down 19%

costas22

04-25-2009, 09:22 AM

I would like to see if the ratings for the other shows dropped as much as Smallville did. We know that they dropped, but Smallville lost about a half million additional viewers when compared to "Abyss", an episode that didn't have the New York and New England markets added to the final rating. That being said, I did not think that the promo for "Stiletto" was strong at all. It didn't focus on anything related to the red/blue blur or any of the major storylines that were going on during this season. I know that for Lois, it was a good trailer but I'm just not sure a trailer like this would inspire a lot of people to want to watch. It has nothing to do with it being a Lois centered episode. JMHO.

The trailer did not help. And maybe viewers were a bit tentative because the last such trailer we had was for Power. Maybe viewers thought that it would be similar to Power. Not starting a "Lana brings down the ratings" debate. Just pointing out that the viewers might have believed that it wouldn't be very Clark-centric.

ClarkyBoy14

04-25-2009, 09:33 AM

This is all I know, others might have other figures to add.

So check my math but
Survivor down 21%,
Bone down 6%
Earl up 3%
Parks down 11%
Smallville down 19%

Also, for the rest of the night:

9 pm
CSI (14.45 mil, -970K) drew the biggest audience, while Grey's Anatomy (13.2 mil, down 16 percent) topped the demos. Both The Office (7.21 mil) and 30 Rock (6.35 mil) slipped 12 percent. Supernatural sank 16 percent, delivering 2.76 mil.

10 pm
Private Practice took No. 1 with 9.23 million viewers, down 12 percent. Southland scored second, freefalling 16 percent to 8 mil, while Harper's Island (7.48 mil) saw another 690 thou get snuffed.

CSI down 6%
Grey's down 16%
The Office down 12%
30 Rock down 12%
Supernatural down 16%
Private Practice down 12%
Southland down 16%
Harper's down 9%

So just about everything was down by double digit percentages.

I think we know from the past that almost every single show on television loses ratings in the spring due to the warmer weather and the sky staying brighter at later times. Maybe the CW should try airing as many episodes as possible in the winter next season?

lanaishot565

04-25-2009, 10:50 AM

I definitely think they hurt this episode and maybe future ones as well! It was bad enough the first time around, but to put those two episodes on before the final 4 episodes! What were they thinking????

I actually posted this in the Power and Requiem threads last week as well!

I still think that the playoffs are a big contributor to the lower ratings too.

Oh goodness sakes. HOW MUCH LONGER WILL THIS BE THE BLAME. WHEN THE RATINGS ROSE IT WAS CLOIS BUT SINCE IT FELL AND IT WAS A LOIS CENTRIC EPISODE WE ARE BACK AT BLAMING LANA EPISODES PLEASE!

Supsfan

04-25-2009, 11:37 AM

compared to "Abyss", an episode that didn't have the New York and New England markets added to the final rating.

Just to put Abyss in perspective, it only was not shown in NY(in NE it was on ABC) and it had the benefit of being aired after the highest rated episode of the season, plus fox didn't have Bones on. So it's like comparing apples and oranges. As I pointed out above if they had the NY market it probably would have got about 3.8-3.9M viewers

fan of the man

04-25-2009, 12:14 PM

My two cents is that thursday episode was a great episode; it is setting up future story lines involving Lois, Clark,Jimmy,the RBB aka Superman, it is creating a new villan for Smallville (inter gang). It is sad that many of the regular viewers did not watch this great episode. I believe as many if CW would put my support behind Smallville it rating would better perform, but I also believe that this a regular seasonal down turn that happens every year at this time, but once again if CW would give more attention to this time of year one of it top shows if not the top show would be down 19%.

RedKRules

04-25-2009, 02:39 PM

The recent ratings have only showed me that a S9 is a mistake .... that´s only my opinion!

Mrs. Superman

04-25-2009, 02:49 PM

:lol: By the looks of this thread you would think that all hell has broken loose for Smallville.

Again 11 episodes hit season/series lows. Whoever decided to have a third break really made the wrong decision.

Smallville will bounce back since evidence points to exterior forces that led to such low ratings. It's pretty evident to the numbers gurus and also probably to SV's writers/producers.

None of it really matters anyways since Season 9 is a lock and Smallville is still CW's #1. ;)

jsith99

04-25-2009, 02:52 PM

I think bad timing sometimes makes it look like a character is hurting a show I think Lois is a popular character but every time they do an episode focusing on her its after a break or some big sports event is going on (or both) To an outsider it looks like Lois episodes suck.

RedKRules

04-25-2009, 03:00 PM

I don´t think it is any character fault ..... the ratings has been dropping since S7, and with JG, MR, and KK departure/lightswitches/badwriting/characterassassinations ... I am not surprised at all.

skizzo

04-25-2009, 04:31 PM

hopefully they'll cancel S9 before it airs, atrocious ratings. Cant say i'm surprised.

costas22

04-25-2009, 04:36 PM

Supsfan

04-25-2009, 05:10 PM

It's a sad fact that the ratings aren't what they used to be. We should take into consideration though that the show has taken a dive since the start of 2009 because of the addition of Bones to Thursday nights. Nonetheless, Season 9 will happen and all we can hope for is that it will have a much more consistent look about the ratings.

I just hope the producers realize(and I don't expect them to) that Clark should be the main focus of the show, and when you start doing plots that build up other characters(especially ones that are leaving the show) it's not a recipe for ratings success.

As I pointed out above that we saw a nice steady increase in ratings from Toxic -> Bloodline. I would say a majority of those episodes had a strong focus on Clark and told a coherent story. the second half of the season has been all over the place.

ginevrakent

04-25-2009, 05:12 PM

hopefully they'll cancel S9 before it airs, atrocious ratings. Cant say i'm surprised.

On the whole, episodes with Lois have received higher ratings than much of the episodes in Season 7. In fact, after Bride and as soon as Lois's appearances once again became few and far between, the ratings started to drop.

http://i411.photobucket.com/albums/pp192/cls1983/svratings78.jpg

Thanks to jamhexxx for the chart!

costas22

04-25-2009, 05:16 PM

Supsfan

04-25-2009, 05:17 PM

I don't think we should compare the two. Season 7's second half got really hampered by the WGA strike. A more appropriate comparison would be to compare the weeks between them. I.e. comparing the episodes that aired in March of 08 to the ones that aired in March of 09.

It's hard to compare though sometimes. If seems episodes that come after a break usually get hammered. Look at Descent for instance. That episode would have been realtively huge if it aired after Veritas, but the 3 week break killed it.

costas22

04-25-2009, 05:22 PM

It's hard to compare though sometimes. If seems episodes that come after a break usually get hammered. Look at Descent for instance. That episode would have been realtively huge if it aired after Veritas, but the 3 week break killed it.

Decent deserved better but it must have had the same problem that Stiletto had: the playoffs that weren't there in March. That's what i attribute this drop that always happens in the Spring to.

ginevrakent

04-25-2009, 05:25 PM

I don't think we should compare the two. Season 7's second half got really hampered by the WGA strike. A more appropriate comparison would be to compare the weeks between them. I.e. comparing the episodes that aired in March of 08 to the ones that aired in March of 09.

I don't like comparing the two seasons either, but I think it is important to acknowledge that poor ratings often have very little to do with the content of actual episodes. The universal ratings hit alone should be proof enough of that.

MrED

04-25-2009, 05:37 PM

hopefully they'll cancel S9 before it airs, atrocious ratings. Cant say i'm surprised.

[Mod Edit]
Smallville is the show on CW that gets the highest ratings

costas22

04-25-2009, 05:57 PM

I don't like comparing the two seasons either, but I think it is important to acknowledge that poor ratings often have very little to do with the content of actual episodes. The universal ratings hit alone should be proof enough of that.

Without a doubt. Power has got higher ratings than any other episode after that. That's saying enough right there. The show relies too much on it's competition nowdays.

RedKRules

04-25-2009, 06:23 PM

I don't think we should compare the two.

It´s hard not to compare, since when we still talking about the same show. :(

costas22

04-25-2009, 06:40 PM

It´s hard not to compare, since when we still talking about the same show. :(

Same show, different circumstances. Last year we didn't have Bones, this year we don't have the strike. If we are going to compare something, let's compare the corresponding weeks. I don't know if such a chart exists though.

RedKRules

04-25-2009, 06:48 PM

Same show, different circumstances. Last year we didn't have Bones, this year we don't have the strike. If we are going to compare something, let's compare the corresponding weeks. I don't know if such a chart exists though.

The circumstances will always change, and so did the ratings ....not for the better unfortunately

costas22

04-25-2009, 06:56 PM

RedKRules

04-25-2009, 07:04 PM

Changed compared to last season? That's where the circumstances that i told you come into play. Only half the cast from last season remained this year. The show lost 4 regulars who had become recognisable figures, so it was natural that the rating would be lower from the start.That doesn't mean that Smallville can't bounce back. I feel that the Season 8 average would have been very close to the Season 7 one had it not been for Bones.

Well for me the main reasons the ratings dropped was because of the departure of JG, MR, KK and AT, as you said they became recognisable figures, I am just saying that I don´t believe we will see S7 or earlier seasons ratings on SV again ..... and I am not being pessimistic or anything like that , and I would love to be proven wrong in the future.

costas22

04-25-2009, 07:31 PM

Well for me the main reasons the ratings dropped was because of the departure of JG, MR, KK and AT, as you said they became recognisable figures, I am just saying that I don´t believe we will see S7 or earlier seasons ratings on SV again ..... and I am not being pessimistic or anything like that , and I would love to be proven wrong in the future.

It's a big ask without a doubt. But then again, this show can't constantly lose viewers year in year out right? I think that Season 5 did better than Season 4 ratings wise because the writing was better. So since we won't lose 4 more key figures this summer, there is a possibility they could steady the ship ratings wise in Season 9. The writing will have to be better though.:)

Lori Lemaris

04-25-2009, 08:21 PM

warriorrenegade

04-25-2009, 08:29 PM

Not really shocking...it's the typical LOW rating for this time of year.

lm1212

04-25-2009, 09:13 PM

YIKESSSSSS it tanked so bad!!!

Now I am convinced that Kristin Kreuk and Lana Lang are A MUST in Smallville, don't hate me for saying this. CLANA brings people no matter how stinky the storylines is (for the Clois people mostly).

This is just horrible!!! I thought Lois Lane/Clois brings audience, now it just proved the other way around...yikes, now I know why the TPTB LOVES and ADORES Kristin/Lana, cos no matter how crappy her story is, people tune in....

LANA/CLANA FANS COME BACKKKKKKK....The Clana/Lana episodes RATED WAY HIGHER than the new ones...this is sad...

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Kristin has been more gaining recognition lately, so she can be an asset to the show, so bring her back even for a just few episodes!!!

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BRING BACK KRISTIN KREUK FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE!!!

Erica Durance/Lois Lane is GREAT, yes, but this is just plain awful! The rating is just so bad...

The shows ratings are suffering because of not so hot writers, Football, other shows like Bones that come on at the same time, and oh, just because overall, ratings are down for most shows lately. Not because of Clois, or Lana's absence. I think people should really just deal with the fact that she is GONE. Yeah, maybe KK was a good actress, yeah maybe there are still a few Clana fans out there, but COME ON. There's no need to blame Clois for everything because of things you can't understand from a biased standpoint, Clois is iconic, it's what makes the show and a big factor in everything the show is supposed to be based on.

lane06

04-25-2009, 09:38 PM

why do they always have these breaks that only hurts the show. With not much publicity already and then breaks and it's always with Lois in the episode.If they are gonna have breaks , they have to make sure that they have massive promotions about it. Not everyone is like us who's always in tune here at kryptonsite.

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and that's why its not fair to blame Lois for the low rating. Blame the network that have these non stop breaks and with very little publicity.

wingster55

04-25-2009, 10:56 PM

You can blame basketball. You can blame lack of promotion but the fact remains that the ep received it's lowest ratings. Who knows why? Could be what I mentioned (which to be fair have happened before) or other reasons. People not enthused by the break in the Doomsday plot, disliking Lois, some stations have bad weather etc.

Black Panda

04-26-2009, 12:25 AM

CSI down 6%
Grey's down 16%
The Office down 12%
30 Rock down 12%
Supernatural down 16%
Private Practice down 12%
Southland down 16%
Harper's down 9%

Survivor down 21%,
Bone down 6%
Earl up 3%
Parks down 11%
Smallville down 19%

So on average shows were down 11.76%, and SV was down 19%.

cloisthelegendbegins

04-26-2009, 12:27 AM

So on average shows were down 11.76%, and SV was down 19%.

Based on their viewing figures. 11.76% of 7 million would be different to 19% of under 4 million.

Supsfan

04-26-2009, 12:28 AM

So on average shows were down 11.76%, and SV was down 19%.

How much did Supernatural go down? That's probably a decent comaparison since they both on the same station.

cloisthelegendbegins

04-26-2009, 12:30 AM

How much did Supernatural go down? That's probably a decent comaparison since they both on the same station.

Depends what was on in it's timeslot. I don't think you can compare a different timeslot to the timeslot when 11 shows were down at the same time.

Supsfan

04-26-2009, 12:32 AM

Depends what was on in it's timeslot. I don't think you can compare a different timeslot to the timeslot when 11 shows were down at the same time.

The fact both are on the CW though I think a good comparison to see how the CW done that night in general(basically if Supernatural held it's rating) then that doesn't look good for Smallville, if it went down a similar amount then that says alot about the CW in general.

cloisthelegendbegins

04-26-2009, 12:38 AM

The fact both are on the CW though I think a good comparison to see how the CW done that night in general(basically if Supernatural held it's rating) then that doesn't look good for Smallville, if it went down a similar amount then that says alot about the CW in general.

11 shows across the board says to me that something was up against them to draw viewers away. From what I know Supernatural stayed on similar numbers. But then we'd have to look at all the other shows in it's timeslot and see if they had similar numbers and look at what was up against them if they'd dropped the same way the earlier slot's shows did. If there's a game on somewhere in Smallville's slot that ends when Supernatural begins or mid-way through Supernatural then Supernatural could gain the same viewers back as they change channels again. That's what I'm saying, if it makes anything remotely resembling any sense...

I think I also read something about weather problems in some areas or am I dreaming that? In which case if those weather problems were resolved by the time Supernatural was on...

It's more than a Smallville problem IMO is what I'm saying. And I think that's how the CW would view it too when looking at the eleven other shows.

Supsfan

04-26-2009, 12:44 AM

I think I also read something about weather problems in some areas or am I dreaming that? In which case if those weather problems were resolved by the time Supernatural was on....

I heard a couple people in different cities say there was sound issues, that being said unless it's a large chunk of people it effects the ratings minimally(as pointed out in my Abyss guess that if 25M were blacked out that = about 300k-375k lost viewers)

cloisthelegendbegins

04-26-2009, 12:49 AM

I heard a couple people in different cities say there was sound issues, that being said unless it's a large chunk of people it effects the ratings minimally(as pointed out in my Abyss geuss that if 25M were blacked out that = about 300k-375k lost viewers)

That sounds about right. But I still think 11 shows down in the same timeslot as Smallville is very telling and nothing to do with Supernatural's figures.

Anyone have the half hourly break downs or know what was on at the same time as Smallville sports wise?

Supsfan

04-26-2009, 12:50 AM

Anyone have the half hourly break downs or know what was on at the same time as Smallville sports wise?

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/24/thursday-ratings-abc-wins-southland-parks-rec-harpers-island-all-lower/17318

that's overnight numbers not finals

DAISHI

04-26-2009, 01:01 AM

Hah Telemundo clocked in higher?

cloisthelegendbegins

04-26-2009, 01:04 AM

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/04/24/thursday-ratings-abc-wins-southland-parks-rec-harpers-island-all-lower/17318

that's overnight numbers not finals

Thanks for that! Makes for interesting reading, doesn't it? If the big shows got hammered then I really don't think Smallville did disastrously. Bones is the show most people seem to think has done us the most harm since it started airing in the same timeslot and it went very low in Asstroff's beloved 18-49 demo.

Supsfan

04-26-2009, 01:14 AM

Thanks for that! Makes for interesting reading, doesn't it? If the big shows got hammered then I really don't think Smallville did disastrously. Bones is the show most people seem to think has done us the most harm since it started airing in the same timeslot and it went very low in Asstroff's beloved 18-49 demo.

Well I expected the show to get about 3.5M to be honest, breaks usually see the ratings take a hit. I didn't expect it to go 3.1M low though. I am curious to see if next weeks episode can break 3.5M next week. I don't expect the show to learn from it's mistakes but next season they should have 8 episodes before the Xmas, then show 14 episodes all in a row after Xmas.

I watch Chuck and Heroes on Mondays, and it looks like both of them already having there season enders this week. while it has sucked that they didn't start new episodes till Feb, it was nice that since then there has only been 1 week that the show wasn't new(and that 1 week was because of an Obama press conference).

If they would have shown the final 12 episodes non stop from Feb - April, I would expect better ratings for the entire run.

hero`s passion

04-26-2009, 02:03 AM

YIKESSSSSS it tanked so bad!!!

Now I am convinced that Kristin Kreuk and Lana Lang are A MUST in Smallville, don't hate me for saying this. CLANA brings people no matter how stinky the storylines is (for the Clois people mostly).

This is just horrible!!! I thought Lois Lane/Clois brings audience, now it just proved the other way around...yikes, now I know why the TPTB LOVES and ADORES Kristin/Lana, cos no matter how crappy her story is, people tune in....

LANA/CLANA FANS COME BACKKKKKKK....The Clana/Lana episodes RATED WAY HIGHER than the new ones...this is sad...

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Kristin has been more gaining recognition lately, so she can be an asset to the show, so bring her back even for a just few episodes!!!

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BRING BACK KRISTIN KREUK FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE!!!

Erica Durance/Lois Lane is GREAT, yes, but this is just plain awful! The rating is just so bad...

Yeah, Bring that Kung- Fu Lana back and I`m won`t watch this show never again for GOOD (and I`m sure million others too)!!! I prefer to watch it with the LOW ratings with Clois than with HIGH (in which I doubt) with Clana...
And ONE MORE TIME - ratings don`t show us the Popularity of the characters or the ships...

badraven

04-26-2009, 04:33 AM

Well a series low is a series low. It is very disappointing but a few things should be noted. One- ratings have dropped off in the back half of the season since season one. Two- ratings were down for just about everyone compared to last week. And three- when it is all said and done SV is already renewed for a 9th season. Granted I always like SV to be watch by as large of a number of people as possible but we already got what we needed to get- renewal. The sad thing is that I really liked 'Stiletto' but then I really liked 'Prototype' too.

Mickey_Bickey

04-26-2009, 08:20 AM

Based on their viewing figures. 11.76% of 7 million would be different to 19% of under 4 million.

Good point, Annie. That was like comparing apples to oranges!

I'm a big fan of pro-rating the numbers to make it a fair comparison.

ChlarkerFan

04-26-2009, 02:42 PM

Now I am convinced that Kristin Kreuk and Lana Lang are A MUST in Smallville, don't hate me for saying this. CLANA brings people no matter how stinky the storylines is (for the Clois people mostly).

LANA/CLANA FANS COME BACKKKKKKK....The Clana/Lana episodes RATED WAY HIGHER than the new ones...this is sad...

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BRING BACK KRISTIN KREUK FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE!!!

[mod edit] And I wish that people would stop making this about Lana/Kristen. They are out of the picture now. Why keep on bringing them up? [mod edit] If Kristin/Lana were responsible for the lousy ratings then 10 other shows wouldn't have suffered the same fate. Not to mention that Smallville wouldn't have slowly increased in ratings before this past hiatus and I predict will slowly increase in ratings next week and the week after that and so on. So yeah, you can stop begging Lana/Kristin fans to come back because they don't sink or spike ratings.

CK&CK

04-27-2009, 12:54 AM

This again... Where am I changing my opinion, when I always said it's about the stories and not the characters, that Clark Kent is the only character that matter? Bandwagon accusation now?

The reruns just had the WORST ratings in Smallville history, lower than Supernatural reruns.

MOD EDIT It's MOSTLY the stories. The "Superman Returns" Movie is a good example. Fans waiting for years to see Supes on the big screen again, only to be let down by the story. And the box office proved it. Because we all know that the domestic take should have been well above just squeking past 200 Million. And an even better example is Lana Lang, errrr, I mean Chung Li in "Street Fighter". (Actually, they might as well have said it was Lana Lang in Street Fighter, cause the theatrical trailer gave me countless Lana Fu flashbacks). And yeah, the box office really came through on that one. You think with the so called star studded cast of that movie (one in particular), it would have blown the box office away. Yeah, something got blown away alright : )

Also, I'm not sure if anyone mentioned it. But I think prior to this, the lowest rating had been "Onyx". Didn't it have like 3.3 million viewers? And yet that episode in my opinon was one of the best Lex episodes of the entire series. I think that episode had the classic "I am the villain of the story" line. The Barn scene with Lex holding the Gun at the Kents was just awesome as well. However despite having low ratings, it's episodes like this that lead to rating increases down the road. Just like a Bad episode with High Ratings has the opposite effect. And I'm not saying that's the only factor, but it's definitely the biggest in my opinion. Reckoning is a good example. After that one episode, I have since never watched Smallville as religiously as I used to. I used to never miss an episode. Can't say that anymore.

Supsfan

04-27-2009, 12:58 AM

Also, I'm not sure if anyone mentioned it. But I think prior to this, the lowest rating had been "Onyx". Didn't it have like 3.3 million viewers? And yet that episode in my opinon was one of the best Lex episodes of the entire series.

Onyx didn't do that bad, but it was the first episode ever to go under 4M viewers, like Stiletto it had the misfortune of being on after a break.

cloisthelegendbegins

04-27-2009, 01:14 AM

What episode was the Smallville repeat the week before just outta curiosity?

costas22

04-27-2009, 01:30 AM

Requiem Annie. Not that it mattered. I think we have got over that by now. That's what i would like to think anyway. The problem is that the competition will be the same for the next few weeks so we are going to have to suck it up. The CW have done no favors by not making a trailer for the last episodes like they have done in the past.

jaksfreak91

04-27-2009, 05:33 AM

Maybe The CW will need to change Smallville's transmission day to Fridays, or PROMOTE THE SHOW, they think the show will be alive only with fan viewers.

lane06

04-27-2009, 07:19 AM

maybe we should allot a forum that's a shout out to the network on Promoting Smallville !!!

izanami

04-27-2009, 07:30 AM

When do the Live/DVR ratings come in?

SparkleforSmallville

04-27-2009, 04:24 PM

When do the Live/DVR ratings come in?

Live+7 dvr ratings are posted about 2 weeks after the Episode airs. Live ratings
and Finals are posted the day after the Episode airs.

Mrs. Superman

04-27-2009, 04:33 PM

Well, Bloodline was number 1 in the ratings but I wonder how it would’ve done if Bones was opposite it?

And you can’t take away that Season 7 is still ranked higher in the ratings than Season 8. Fact.

Wrong. Got this info right in this forum.

Season average for Season 5 is higher than Season 4. Yes, ratings tend to be lower the older the show but there are exceptions. And Season 1 and Season 2.

Season 1 (2001-2002): 6.41 million
Season 2 (2002-2003): 7.78 million
Season 3 (2003-2004): 5.63 million
Season 4 (2004-2005): 5.03 million
Season 5 (2005-2006): 5.32 million
WRONG. Season 7 is not ranked higher than Season 8.

I hadn't looked at the exact numbers when I first stated "since season 3 or 4", but what I should have said was that smallvilles numbers have gone down SINCE SEASON 5. Averages skew easily, which is why MEDIANS are much more important as an accurate gauge of the season than averages. Take one stats class and they'll all tell you why medians are more important than averages in these circumstances. One or two numbers can throw off the whole average whereas medians give you the 50% percentile.This is why they have you look at MEDIAN salaries, if you want to get a better estimate of what you'll be making in that job (50% make more 50% make less). So looking at the median here's how the seasons play out.

Season 5= 5.41
Season 6= 4.695
Season 7= 3.925
Season 8= 4.12*

If the last 3 episodes remain lower than the median, than the final will be 3.99 which is still higher than last season.

For more detailed info....

Season 5= 5.41
notes: Smallville moved to Thursdays at 8/7C, Johnathon dies (John Schneider leaves) Jensen Ackles (Jason) left the show, Erica Durance became a series regular as Lois Lane
6.40
6.28
6.24
5.97
5.92
5.90 Opener
5.84
5.78
5.51
5.45
5.41
5.41
5.37
5.37
4.90
4.85 Finale
4.81
4.78
4.41
4.34
4.24
3.94

Season 6= 4.695
notes: introduced Jimmy Olsen, Oliver Queen, Martian Manhunter (Aaron Ashmore Justin Hartley and Phil Morris)
5.26
5.01
5.00
4.96 O
4.91
4.88
4.79
4.76
4.74
4.71
4.70
4.69
4.68
4.52
4.46
4.31
4.14 F
4.07
3.98
3.88
3.59
3.43
Season 7= 3.925
notes: shortened season due to the strike; Lionel is killed
5.18 O
5.18
4.82
4.65
4.64
4.59
4.51
4.31
4.01
3.99
3.86
3.85 F
3.81
3.81
3.80
3.71
3.67
3.62
3.61
3.44

Season 8= 4.12* in progress
notes: departure of Lex, Lana is no longer a regular
4.46
4.34 O
4.32
4.30
4.21
4.19
4.18
4.18
4.16
4.12
4.05
3.93
3.85
3.85
3.80
3.57
3.56
3.49
3.10
*
*
* F

RedKRules

04-27-2009, 05:27 PM

Boyyyyyy S2 was sweeeeeet for SV .... the Ratings looked pretty good there *sigh*

Dustmite

04-27-2009, 05:50 PM

Why waste your time Timester. This whole Lana vs Lois issue is so tiresome. Some people just won't get the fact that it's not Lana, Lois or even Supes that keeps the ratings at high levels. It's just as you've said. It's MOSTLY the stories.

And people will still use ratings to argue their point regardless. I remember when Abyss aired, the ratings were blamed on it being a Chloe episode despite there being sport of other channels :\ I still see that thrown around so I can understand why people get touchy.

But your right, it is very tiresome.