sylar not dying

[haydenclaireheroes]

why did he not die and do you think there is more to his and claire's powers then we all thought.

[auctionmonster]

Sylar did not die, because as sylar said an episode or two back, the spot they have to hit is to freaking tiny that it is near impossible to take out unless you attack with a large object. The knife is very thin.

[pycer]

Or perhaps with his added shapeshifting powers he was able to move the sensitive spot in his brain to another location in his body.

[Skaterpen357]

Or perhaps with his added shapeshifting powers he was able to move the sensitive spot in his brain to another location in his body.
That would be so very weird and so very, very cool. ;)

[Alexander III]

Sylar did not die, because as sylar said an episode or two back, the spot they have to hit is to freaking tiny that it is near impossible to take out unless you attack with a large object. The knife is very thin.

Wouldn't Danko know about this already if sylar mentioned it. Danko tsk tsk tsk, he'll die in a brutal way fo sure now.

[haydenclaireheroes]

or him and claire only had that in the begnning and can not die that way anymore and mabe they can never die.

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Wouldn't Danko know about this already if sylar mentioned it. Danko tsk tsk tsk, he'll die in a brutal way fo sure now.

ya he almost did do it to claire in the beginning of the volume.

[auctionmonster]

Wouldn't Danko know about this already if sylar mentioned it. Danko tsk tsk tsk, he'll die in a brutal way fo sure now.

Danko has an ego that won't quit. He automatically assumes he is the best.

[Ginx]

Or perhaps with his added shapeshifting powers he was able to move the sensitive spot in his brain to another location in his body.

Possibly or else it doesn't apply to Sylar because his brain is not built like Claire's or Peter's?

[targis]

Maybe this explains how he escaped the fire

[haydenclaireheroes]

mabe targis but i think this connects with claire too or else why would he go to her in the season finale.

[DoN Migu-EL]

i think sylar has evolved past that weakness

[haydenclaireheroes]

i think sylar has evolved past that weakness

so you think claire has evolved to because we have not seen her having something in the back of her head since season 1.

[Kick2theface]

I think this will go all the way back to the beginning of the season 3 when Sylar took Claire's ability and told her that she was different from the rest and that she couldnt die and now neither could he. We have never seen a healing character get something shoved through their head more than once except with Sylar now(and a couple episodes ago when he was shot). Maybe for them after their body saw the weakness, it took care of that problem somehow. I think I remember one of the writers saying in an interview that Claire and Sylar are destined to live forever so maybe there really is no way for them to die now

[CompanyMan]

That remark was what led Claire to knowing that she was holding the catalyst. And yet at the end of volume three, Claire shoved a piece of broken glass in the same spot and it worked. To me, this is a bit of an inconsistency. I'm leaning towards the words "plot hole".

[haydenclaireheroes]

That remark was what led Claire to knowing that she was holding the catalyst. And yet at the end of volume three, Claire shoved a piece of broken glass in the same spot and it worked. To me, this is a bit of an inconsistency. I'm leaning towards the words "plot hole".

i read your thing and gave me a completely new theory. But it is not a plot hole. lets think volume finale last volume. Claire shoved a piece of glass in sylar's head. But in the next volume we see him a live. Also in this last episode he did not seem so supprised that he did not die. mabe that is becuase it happened last volume. Also mabe just mabe sylar was not talking to claire about being the catalyst. Mabe there is something bigger in store for claire.

[Melekith]

Well if anyone truly deserves to be the "catalyst"...wouldn't it be Kensei/Adam? He had "Claire's" power before she was even born.

[Kick2theface]

That is what I am thinking. We may think we know what the writers mean by something said and then completely turn it around on us. I honestly dont think that Claire ever had the catalyst because Hiro was the one that ripped the formula in the first place. Hiro had the formula all along. I believe Sylar was referring to something completely different when he was talking to Claire now. And Arthur went straight for Hiro to get the catalyst, not Claire. He wasnt in there when Claire made her "I'm the catalyst" speech to everyone at Primatech. But who knows, I am probably just reading too much into this. lol

[CompanyMan]

Well, you are right. She never had the catalyst. That's because Hiro took the catalyst before it was originally given to her. He changed the past, remember?

[jazzylg]

Sylar's IA ability allows him perfect mastery of any ability the moment he aquires it. As someone earlier stated, possibly his shape shifting ability has allowed him to move the sweet spot at the back of the head.

[CompanyMan]

I fail to understand how he can shift brain parts around. That sounds unrealistic to me.

[targis]

Really moving your brain parts around dosen't seem possible. Even if you can shapeshift the parts of your brain dosen't move around.

[super_j_man]

That remark was what led Claire to knowing that she was holding the catalyst. And yet at the end of volume three, Claire shoved a piece of broken glass in the same spot and it worked. To me, this is a bit of an inconsistency. I'm leaning towards the words "plot hole".

It would seem to be a plot hole, but that doesn't mean the writers don't have an explanation for it. Maybe Sylar was pretending to be dead back then like he did in Turn and Face the Strange. Maybe Sylar's power has evolved since then (just like Claire's power evolved to her feeling no pain). I'm not totally sure what the case is, but I would wait to see next week how they explain it.

[jazzylg]

No offense, but how realistic is time freezing and humans who can fly? This is science fantasy not science fiction. Suspending disbelief adds to the excitement.

[the highlander]

not only that... you tell me that Danko is so precise and knows where the spot is that he is going to kill a man like Sylar???

honestly... if HRG couldn't do it... neither can Danko.

[taolbi]

IF you guys are wondering about the broken glass "plot hole" HRG mentioned it that it melted in the Primatech fire when he was examining "Sylar's" body a couple days back.

[targis]

Sylar Changes clothes faster than Superman now. He was talking to Nathan in a suit then he shapshifts to his true form and he is wearing different clothes. Earlier when he shapesifted his clothes didn't change like in the alley when he shifted from Sandra into his true self the clothes didn't change.

[Litle bit more bizarre]

Sylar's IA ability allows him perfect mastery of any ability the moment he aquires it. As someone earlier stated, possibly his shape shifting ability has allowed him to move the sweet spot at the back of the head.

I agree with your opinion its the most logic theory for his surviving

[hellnback]

danko missed and that's all. i was expecting sylar to turn and look at him and say "you missed" or "missed the spot" or just simply "missed" and then kill the guy. he'll probably change to look like danko at the start of the next episode and tell the agents who show up everything is fine.

also all storylines in the last season and last chapter have happened and were written by writers that are no longer on the show. anything they had planned has been scrapped. they're starting from scratch and going in a different direction now. so we're going to be left with plot holes that they hope we forget about.

[haydenclaireheroes]

i really think we will find out more abour claire and sylar's power next episode

[Monie]

He learned to overcome the thing in the back of his head... just like he has learned to control his heartbeat *season 1* via Noah

[CompanyMan]

Sylar Changes clothes faster than Superman now. He was talking to Nathan in a suit then he shapshifts to his true form and he is wearing different clothes. Earlier when he shapesifted his clothes didn't change like in the alley when he shifted from Sandra into his true self the clothes didn't change.

I was gonna mention that but you beat me to it. So now he can shapeshift his clothes too. And he can make them expand & contract. Seems to me he should have been wearing very baggy clothes when he shifted into Micah's appearance. Even grew a backpack. Oh, well...

As for the spot in the back of his head, it's an inconsistency. No way around it. He can rearrange his brain? He evolved? Danko missed? The knife blade is too thin? None of those seem to answer the question I have about how he survived. One thing that the writers used to strive for was consistency. It's what kept things looking "real".

[FoxHoundito]

Hold everybody. You're missing something important.

At the end of Volume Three, Sylar was supposedly dead because because he was stabbed in the back of his head with a piece of glass. At that point and given the story of the show, he WAS dead.

Now... the fact that he survived was explained some eps. ago. I think it was HRG who said that the high temperatures of the fire made the piece of glass melt, so Sylar "came back to life".

Up to now everything made sense. The fact that last night's knife didn't kill Sylar is not a plothole and doesn't have anything to do with what happened back at the end of Vol. 3.

Why don't we just wait for the season finale and see how this is explained?
Stop prematurely calling plotholes what is just an unanswered question.

[CompanyMan]

Actually, the explanation did not change the fact that it WAS a plot hole. It is something known as "plugging" the plot hole. Unforturnately, the glass-melting-thingy also raised some questions (we discussed them in last week's episode forum).

[Jigga]

I think people are missing the point. It's not that the surprise that he isn't dead because he's not suppose to be, but he should have been incapacitated until the knife was taken out. However, he clearly was not incapacitated and took the knife out himself.

Though, it's not really a plot hole at all since they've been alluding during the whole entire episode to the fact that the shape shifting ability is causing Sylar to change even when he doesn't want to. So this power could also mean he changing internally uncontrollably. It's not that Sylar chose to move the spot, it's a side effect of the powers he can't control. Just like him losing control over his ability when he starts to talk to himself, changing completely into his mother not just physically but also mentally. Every time he changes and then changes back to himself, he doesn't reassemble correctly, fragments of physical and psychological traits remain.

[Yoshua]

I fail to understand how he can shift brain parts around. That sounds unrealistic to me.

Yes because everything in this show is realistic.

Ok, nuff sarcasm.


They are bringing it up because he has managed to grow extra teeth and one of his eyes stayed the wrong color. In theory he could change to things not human too if he learned how because he is managing to grow extra items during changes.

Since he has an extra tooth in theory he could learn to manipulate his own body during shifts.

[Superboy2]

Same here. I wonder if Peter will live forever as well, but I ahve a feeling by the end of the series, he will die saving the world.

[CompanyMan]

They are bringing it up because he has managed to grow extra teeth and one of his eyes stayed the wrong color. In theory he could change to things not human too if he learned how because he is managing to grow extra items during changes.

Since he has an extra tooth in theory he could learn to manipulate his own body during shifts.

You know what I think my problem is? It's that I always thought the abilities were based on evolution. It does seem as if they are shifting away from that and leaning a bit towards strange mutations. Extra teeth. Eyes failing to return to normal. Some of the abilities are hard for me to accept. Shapeshifting is okay, but is pushing the limit a bit. Now the spot in his brain where he can be killed has changed? Gone away? That seems out of line with evolution. Evolution takes time but Sylar has changed quickly. I have to stop there because it's making my head hurt.

[shanemak]

Also in this last episode he did not seem so supprised that he did not die. mabe that is becuase it happened last volume.

Just what I was thinking. If he actually beleived he could die, why when he first met Danko would he so arrogantly expose his "sweet spot" to Danko, practically coaxing him into taking the shot? If he truly thought that he could die, he would not be so blatantly clumsy in exposing his weakness to Danko.

[Pyramid84]

Sylar's weakness will always be his overconfidence, and maybe that is why he told Danko of the sweet spot. I think the reason Sylar was able to pull the knife from the back of his head is simply because Danko missed that microscopic sweet spot. If it had been hit he would've been incapacitated like before when Claire got him.

[haydenclaireheroes]

ya i really there is more to it then the shiftment of his brain

[kp1984]

The knife was too short

[haydenclaireheroes]

mabe

[CompanyMan]

The knife was fine. It caused him to collapse and lose consciousness. The blade on that thing had to have been at least six to eight inches -- plenty long enough to do the trick.

[targis]

The knife was fine. It caused him to collapse and lose consciousness. The blade on that thing had to have been at least six to eight inches -- plenty long enough to do the trick.
Right
he did go down and went his lights went out just like is supposed to happen but then he came out of it somehow.

[Xanderman]

I think the theory that his insides are out of place or rearranged from shape shifting is the safest bet. May not make perfect sense but few things on this show do.

Or it might be that his body isn't completely "solid" or "rigid" anymore because of his "Changeling" like ability (recall Odo on Deep Space Nine was liquid-like in his natural state). Sylar's biology may be more flexible or "fluid" like now, so that when the knife went in, it just pushed things around rather than penetrate/tear/rip through everything.

[CompanyMan]

It's not about making sense, it's about consistency. Heroes is supposed to be about "normal people" with extraordinary abilities. The abilities are only supposed to come from evolution. Evolutionary changes take time. Up to now, being stabbed in the back of the head (Claire called that a "soft spot") is supposed to result in permanent death as long as the object stays in place. Now all of a sudden it no longer works.

I generally don't mind comparisons with characters outside of Heroes, but keep in mind that Heroes is a unique program and comparisons generally fail because of the different ways people get their powers in the other genres. Heroes is unique in that the only way people get their powers is though evolution. So Sylar should be totally flesh & bones just like the rest of us. The only difference is that he has been fortunate enough to be able to gain extraordinary abilities.

[targis]

It's not about making sense, it's about consistency. Heroes is supposed to be about "normal people" with extraordinary abilities. The abilities are only supposed to come from evolution. Evolutionary changes take time. Up to now, being stabbed in the back of the head (Claire called that a "soft spot") is supposed to result in permanent death as long as the object stays in place. Now all of a sudden it no longer works.

I generally don't mind comparisons with characters outside of Heroes, but keep in mind that Heroes is a unique program and comparisons generally fail because of the different ways people get their powers in the other genres. Heroes is unique in that the only way people get their powers is though evolution. So Sylar should be totally flesh & bones just like the rest of us. The only difference is that he has been fortunate enough to be able to gain extraordinary abilities.
They aparently have decided to get rid of all the rules and just make people be able to do whatever they want no matter what rules have already been established. For example Sylar getting up on his own with a knife in the back of his head, Sylar's original abilitie is now back to one even though they made it two last volume, Sylar dosen't have to change clothes after shifts anymore like he had to a episode or two ago.

[CompanyMan]

That's the thing that's getting me confused. They seem bent on insulting our intellegence. They also have started coming up with relatively unrealistic abilities, such as the guy in last week's iStory -- who can change his body into a pile of sand. That's a bit out there as far as "normal people with extraordinary abilities" is concerned.

[edwinisdenim]

normally the next epi will explain the question. personally i think danko just missed. that's all. 'that hurt' hehe :D

[Jigga]

That's the thing that's getting me confused. They seem bent on insulting our intellegence. They also have started coming up with relatively unrealistic abilities, such as the guy in last week's iStory -- who can change his body into a pile of sand. That's a bit out there as far as "normal people with extraordinary abilities" is concerned.

You may want to believe that the shows are developing their own unique spin on the powers the heroes have and trying to emphasize realism, but they aren't. All the powers that have been used can be accounted for in comics. The way the characters in Heroes get their powers is moot, it about how the ability is used. The ability to manipulate sand is an obvious power taken from Sandman like Daphne's powers are taken directly from Flash/Quicksilver, Peter's ability from Rogue, Claire's ability from Wolverine, etc., etc. and they all work the same way.

As I've said, the idea that Sylar's miraculous recovery from the knife was a blindsided plot hole is pretty disingenuous. I'm not the biggest fan of the "idiot plots" in Heroes, but like I said, they alluded to Sylar's problem the whole entire episode. The episode is called "I Am Sylar," which is an obvious reflection that Sylar is losing control of the shapeshifting ability. Sylar blatantly stated that his transformations are leaving piece of the people he changes into behind and that he's not always coming back the way he use to be.

[Skaterpen357]

Well, if you ask me, going from normal human immediately to "superpower" kind of subverts the idea of evolution in the first place. (Come to think of it, going from flying/pyrokinesis to regeneration or from phasing/enhanced strength to technopathy is, too.) I know the abilities are supposed to come from evolution, but that the abilities manifest themselves so dramatically in the first place is an extraordinary thing indeed. Don't forget these abilities are thought to have religious ties, too...

Moreover, genetic mutations aren't always perfect anyway, so the extra tooth or the colored eyes could just be a shortcoming in the mutation that allowed for shapeshifting in the first place. Me, though, I'm going with "he missed" for now...

Like edwinisdenim said, though, I'm sure the writers won't completely ignore the point next episode; Danko's not just going to lay down and die without at least questioning Sylar's survival. Even if Sylar doesn't answer, at least we then have confirmation the writers realize the seeming illogic of the situation.

[CompanyMan]

Sorry, but it's not my belief. It's what the writers and/or Mr. Kring once said. He (or they) said they want the show to be a standalone version. That means no comparisons to other genres. That means that other ways of gaining powers don't apply to Heroes. No radioactive spider bites. No aleins getting special powers from the yellow sun. Sorry.

[targis]

My main problem is that they can't even go by their own rules.

[haydenclaireheroes]

You may want to believe that the shows are developing their own unique spin on the powers the heroes have and trying to emphasize realism, but they aren't. All the powers that have been used can be accounted for in comics. The way the characters in Heroes get their powers is moot, it about how the ability is used. The ability to manipulate sand is an obvious power taken from Sandman like Daphne's powers are taken directly from Flash/Quicksilver, Peter's ability from Rogue, Claire's ability from Wolverine, etc., etc. and they all work the same way.

As I've said, the idea that Sylar's miraculous recovery from the knife was a blindsided plot hole is pretty disingenuous. I'm not the biggest fan of the "idiot plots" in Heroes, but like I said, they alluded to Sylar's problem the whole entire episode. The episode is called "I Am Sylar," which is an obvious reflection that Sylar is losing control of the shapeshifting ability. Sylar blatantly stated that his transformations are leaving piece of the people he changes into behind and that he's not always coming back the way he use to be.

i agree that heroes does have most of the powers from comic books. But there are differences and that is what makes heroes different. Like lets use claire and wolverine as an example. Wolverine has power to regenerate but he feels pain. also you do not see claire having metal claws coming out of her hands. it would be cool but she does not. Also claire can heal with her blood and wolverine can heal anyone. Also i think claire has more instore with her power which will even more far away from wolverine.

[Jigga]

Sorry, but it's not my belief. It's what the writers and/or Mr. Kring once said. He (or they) said they want the show to be a standalone version. That means no comparisons to other genres. That means that other ways of gaining powers don't apply to Heroes. No radioactive spider bites. No aleins getting special powers from the yellow sun. Sorry.

What he wants doesn't matter. It's pretty evident when the main cast was suppose to be completely wiped out during the first season and a new cast for every other season. The fact that they employed notable writers from the comic book genre makes it hard for them to stray outside of the confines of that genre. Also, no radioactive spider bite? Really? What was Mohinder's whole turning into a roach side story then because it pretty much mirrors what happens to Peter Parker minus the actual bite.


i agree that heroes does have most of the powers from comic books. But there are differences and that is what makes heroes different. Like lets use claire and wolverine as an example. Wolverine has power to regenerate but he feels pain. also you do not see claire having metal claws coming out of her hands. it would be cool but she does not. Also claire can heal with her blood and wolverine can heal anyone. Also i think claire has more instore with her power which will even more far away from wolverine.

The basis for the powers are still the same, they can heal any wound even to the point of cheating death. Claire does in fact feel pain, or at least she did for the first two seasons. Healing factor is his major power, the claws are not. The claws are a side effect of the evolution that takes place in the Marvel universe, in fact, his bone claws are extremely brittle and break on impact to extremely hard surfaces. His healing factor is what allowed him to get the metal claws.

I think this talk about plot holes is also reflective of the directions taken earlier in this season and the previous season. People are so bend out of shape if something isn't slam into their face that they just start complaining about the smallest little detail as a plot hole just like what happened with Tracy even though they showed her winking at the end of "Cold Snap."

[targis]

What he wants doesn't matter. It's pretty evident when the main cast was suppose to be completely wiped out during the first season and a new cast for every other season. The fact that they employed notable writers from the comic book genre makes it hard for them to stray outside of the confines of that genre. Also, no radioactive spider bite? Really? What was Mohinder's whole turning into a roach side story then because it pretty much mirrors what happens to Peter Parker minus the actual bite.



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Where is the source of this information. I have never heard they were going to kill off the entire cast at the end of the first season and then every other season.

I don't see the Connection between Peter Parker and Mohinder at all. Peter took on the traits of the spider that bit him. Mohinder tried to give himself powers on purpose but messed the formula up so he started to turn into a monster but it wasn't a cockroach or any other kind of bug.

[CompanyMan]

What he wants doesn't matter.

It should. He's the one who made the statement that everything on the show rests with him.


What was Mohinder's whole turning into a roach side story then because it pretty much mirrors what happens to Peter Parker minus the actual bite.

It's what's known in our world as "reverse engineering". The geneticist worked backwards to find out what was in the DNA that gave people powers. He then isolated the gene (or what ever it's called) that gave Maya her powers and injected it in himself. It's still a part of evolutionary changes.


The basis for the powers are still the same, they can heal any wound even to the point of cheating death. Claire does in fact feel pain, or at least she did for the first two seasons. Healing factor is his major power, the claws are not. The claws are a side effect of the evolution that takes place in the Marvel universe, in fact, his bone claws are extremely brittle and break on impact to extremely hard surfaces. His healing factor is what allowed him to get the metal claws.

That may or may not be true. But that's not the point. I don't mind that there are similarities. With each genre there is supposed to be a limit to how each power should work. Or, for that matter there should be a limit to what would work. Or so I thought.

As for Claire, after Sylar copied her ability she lost the capacity to feel pain (volume 3). Don't ask me why, I still haven't figured that one out yet. As far as I know, she still can't feel any physical pain.

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Where is the source of this information. I have never heard they were going to kill off the entire cast at the end of the first season and then every other season.

I do remember reading somewhere that the original plan was to have a revolving cast. So what he said wasn't too far off.

[targis]

I do remember reading somewhere that the original plan was to have a revolving cast. So what he said wasn't too far off.
maybe thats what they need to do then. If they are afraid of doing it they could just start a new show with a entirely new cast and have it come on tuesday nights and this show come on monday nights and if the tuesday night show takes off they could go with both shows and if not they could just cancel the new one.

[j-kent]

I fail to understand how he can shift brain parts around. That sounds unrealistic to me.

And the idea of shape shifting does? haha I'm sorry, but this whole show is unrealistic you can't make any one thing here more realistic than another...

[targis]

And the idea of shape shifting does? haha I'm sorry, but this whole show is unrealistic you can't make any one thing here more realistic than another...
The problem is they set precedents on the show and then don't go by them.
one example is the clothing after the shapeshift
another one is Sylar's original abilities--at first they made him with only one---Then two----and now one again they need to backup what they say and stop making changes like that.

[CompanyMan]

And the idea of shape shifting does? haha I'm sorry, but this whole show is unrealistic you can't make any one thing here more realistic than another...

Perhaps I need to clarify. I never said Heroes itself is realistic. If the powers on Heroes stem from evolution, then within those parameters there should be some consistency, even some sort of relative realism. You woudn't expect Spiderman to be able to stop time or create vortexes, for example. That would not be realistic as far as his abilities are concerned, because the parameters have been set--by explaining that his abiliities stem from being bitten by a radioactive spider.

And yes, I can say that one thing in Heroes is more realistic than another. Sylar rearranging his brain parts, or moving the "sweet spot" would be unrealistic. Shapeshifting can only go so far, I would think. Evolution also can only go so far, and changes come slowly. To be able to evolve that rapidly would be unrealistic.

[Xanderman]

And yes, I can say that one thing in Heroes is more realistic than another. Sylar rearranging his brain parts, or moving the "sweet spot" would be unrealistic. Shapeshifting can only go so far, I would think. Evolution also can only go so far, and changes come slowly. To be able to evolve that rapidly would be unrealistic.Like I said, it might be that the sweet spot is still in the same place, but his biology is different now (more fluid for lack of a better word, therefore the spot would be more difficult to penetrate/destroy by a knife attack), and this is part of the "mutation" that comes along with the shapeshifting power (or that makes shifting possible). To be able to shapeshift the way he does requires a radically different body chemistry/biology imo (if we're going for "more realistic" anyway). Similar to how Mohinder was gradually becoming an insect, so is Sylar changing (or changed) because of this new power/mutation. As for evolving rapidly, this is not exactly normal or "scientific" evolution we're seeing on this show. The way Sylar gains new powers (and Peter) is pretty much "instant evolution". Instant changes to their DNA or whatever, pretty much instantly giving them powers and/or leading towards body mutations/changes (as in Mohinder).

[CompanyMan]

What, you mean his brain is becoming like Jello? Or Sylar as a whole is becoming more like Jello? Having a hard time envisioning that.

Mohinder wasn't becoming a bug. He had side effects from injecting himeself with the serum he made from Maya's adrenaline. He did become hideous, but wasn't turning into a bug. I'm curious and would like to know where you got that from.

[super_j_man]

This whole Sylar-not-dying-debate is giving me a headache just thinking about it! :\ Another reason I can't wait till Monday!

[GottaLoveHotSuperHeros]

so, I agree with "he missed." I think the magic spot is the brainstem or cerebellum or someplace there, the knife looked a little high up to hit those.

also, just because you get stabbed in the back of the head doesn't mean you die, it means you can get brain damage (makes me wonder if Sylar will be blind or something now b/c he was stabbed in the occipital lobe, except he can heal, so nevermind :p)

also, I think even if it was in the right spot, it wouldn't kill him instantly and maybe he had enough motivation to pull it out himself before he died.

either way, that's still SUPER AWESOME!!

[Xanderman]

What, you mean his brain is becoming like Jello? Or Sylar as a whole is becoming more like Jello? Having a hard time envisioning that.To change his body shape his cells must be rearranged and be able to move around (unless the ability works by instantly adding/creating and removing/destroying cells in its reconstruction process instead of rearranging them, then what I'm saying probably doesn't apply). Bonds between cells must therefore be able to be quickly broken and reformed. Meaning the nature of his biology/chemistry is likely different now to accommodate this, and is probably the main reason he was feeling different/no longer himself, because he had been physically altered by this new power/mutation, permanently (not just when he changes shape or activates a change). Anyway so because of this greater freedom of mobility the cells have, if something should strike them or a group of them, instead of just staying in place or being locked rigidly in place and being penetrated/destroyed because they have nowhere to go, his cells are able to react to the incoming force by being "pushed" aside. Something like this is more what I'm going for I guess...


Mohinder wasn't becoming a bug. He had side effects from injecting himeself with the serum he made from Maya's adrenaline. He did become hideous, but wasn't turning into a bug. I'm curious and would like to know where you got that from.Wasn't his mutation gradually getting worse and worse/continuing to progress? I thought it was, maybe I'm remembering wrong. I seem to recall a feeling of urgency or that "time" was an enemy for him when he was looking for a cure...hmm. (The idea that he was turning into something bug-like comes from the "Fly" movie similarities/homages the show did...)

[hellnback]

in the end the answer will be "he simply missed". but now he can shapeshift into clothes. that there just doesn't make sense. especially with micah. huh. or did micah just happen to have spare clothing and a spare backpack just like the ones he already had and he gave them to sylar? still weird.

[super_j_man]

The shifting clothes thing is definitely a plot-hole/inconsistency. The only thing we can do is write it off as a writer screw-up. Personally, I think there have been far worse writing flaws in the past, so I'll just choose to ignore it.

And about Sylar not dying, even taking past writing flaws into consideration, I don't think the writers would do something like that without having an explanation. The explanation may be lame, but we'll just have to wait and see on Monday. Somehow, I think it's more than he just "missed", but the "shifting brain parts/cells around" idea seems farfetched as well.

[targis]

Danko's face was priceless.

[KhaoTiKz]

Evolution is not just generational, but environmental as well. We evolve not just through gradual changes, but--since we're learning, thinking creatures--pretty much through the choices we make. So, Sylar's big leaps in evolution isn't unfathomable. His power is the ability to understand how things work. That ability allows him to take, or copy other abilities. Once he learns how to use, he can learn to manipulate. (Though, the clothes changing was probably thrown in to speed up scenes.)

So, the correct answer to the question is "Danko missed." More than likely it was because Sylar moved his 'sweet spot' when he was alone in the bathroom.

btw-- Micah had the backpack... Sylar/Micah didn't have one.

[CompanyMan]

So, the correct answer to the question is "Danko missed." More than likely it was because Sylar moved his 'sweet spot' when he was alone in the bathroom.

The part of the brain where the knife went in is called the cerebellum. You can do a search on either "human brain" or "cerebellum" if you are interested. Why the is the cerebellum the spot where Sylar can be killed? I am not fully sure, but I found out that it is a region of the brain that plays an important role in the integration of sensory perception, coordination and motor control.

So please tell me how Sylar is able to move the cerebellum around to another part of his brain.

[oldblackmagick]

Perhaps I need to clarify. I never said Heroes itself is realistic. If the powers on Heroes stem from evolution, then within those parameters there should be some consistency, even some sort of relative realism. You woudn't expect Spiderman to be able to stop time or create vortexes, for example. That would not be realistic as far as his abilities are concerned, because the parameters have been set--by explaining that his abiliities stem from being bitten by a radioactive spider.

And yes, I can say that one thing in Heroes is more realistic than another. Sylar rearranging his brain parts, or moving the "sweet spot" would be unrealistic. Shapeshifting can only go so far, I would think. Evolution also can only go so far, and changes come slowly. To be able to evolve that rapidly would be unrealistic.

the only thing i have to comment on is the fact that yes usually evolution does take time. but this show is what if that time was now. what if some people have evolved thousands of years ahead of their time. so in this show evolution doesn't take time...or at least not much. hope u got my point.

[the highlander]

You know what I think my problem is? It's that I always thought the abilities were based on evolution. It does seem as if they are shifting away from that and leaning a bit towards strange mutations. Extra teeth. Eyes failing to return to normal. Some of the abilities are hard for me to accept. Shapeshifting is okay, but is pushing the limit a bit. Now the spot in his brain where he can be killed has changed? Gone away? That seems out of line with evolution. Evolution takes time but Sylar has changed quickly. I have to stop there because it's making my head hurt.

And its making sylar's head hurt also... It will get to a point where a bad shapeshift will render him unconscious or something like that...

Its a strange ability that he must keep in check.

Regarding the glass... Remember the explanation given by a character doesn't mean it's true. In the end it's a speculation on their part. For all I care Sylar was not dead from the glass like it is now with the knife and after everyone got out he removed the glass and got out. Remember that Danko was surprised that Sylar didn't die, which means that inside Heroes' world they expect that. Sylar can do something they don't know about so, the also speculate like we do. They have absolutely no evidence to know that the glass melted and Sylar healed. NO PLOT HOLE HERE!

[pycer]

[QUOTE=pycer;4752498]Or perhaps with his added shapeshifting powers he was able to move the sensitive spot in his brain to another location in his body.[/QUOTE

I must admit it sometimes gets old being right all the time...;)

[Xanderman]

Or perhaps with his added shapeshifting powers he was able to move the sensitive spot in his brain to another location in his body.[/QUOTE

I must admit it sometimes gets old being right all the time...;)Ah, but you didn't get the quote function right. Forgot an end bracket.;)

[pycer]

Lol, I never said I was perfect...just always right :)

[Superboy2]

The finale confirmed it. Sylar said he moved it.