When will Peter get his powers back???

[the highlander]

Damn... i am still waiting.

[Superboy2]

Same here

[targis]

I know
It has been way to long for him to get them back.

I now think he is going to have to touch Sylar to get them back. That seems to be where they are going with the story.

Hopefully it will hapen next week

[devilicus rebel]

At this point, I am leaning toward him staying this way for awhile if not forever. I hate that they are doing that too because he was just starting to become really BA. That scene where he walked in to face his father earlier in the season was awesome cuz he psychically threw open the doors, lit his hands on fire, and went from being invisible to visible...sweet.

[Superboy2]

Wasnt it mentioned they ddin't want him too powerful do they took aeway his old powers?

[haydenclaireheroes]

i don't think he will get his old powers back but he will still have these powers. It is better then nothing

[targis]

If he dosen't become able to hold multiple powers again this season I don't think I will be back next year for this show. Multiple Powers is one of my favorite things about this show.

[haydenclaireheroes]

i don't think he will get his powers this season but next. so please stay because the show needs it.

[doomvskal86]

Hopefully he will get his powers back eventually because he is sylars equal

[haydenclaireheroes]

Hopefully he will get his powers back eventually because he is sylars equal

mabey

[Dpyro]

i think it has to do with his emotions he's been feeling alot of hate i think he needs to let go peter might already have his powers back now since he forgave nathan or maybe ando will supercharge him but is that permanent??

[sweeney2009]

Matt Parkman's son while touching Ando should restore anyones power completely including Peter and Hiro since he turned part of Hiro's powers on by himself.

[Ginx]

When Peter had that needle and bottle I thought for sure he was just gonna do something stupid and inject himself :lol: I think once Hiro/Ando/Baby Touch n Go come into contact that he'll be able to absorb 1-3 powers or something like that. I keep waiting for him to absorb Sylar's again but I guess then he'd go crazy.

I keep wondering if he absorbs Sylar's power if his body/mind will remember his power imprint and just recover on its own.

[Litle bit more bizarre]

I hope he get old powers back soon or the show is over for good

[Bluegemini]

I think he will get them back, tho i think it will be another end of the season job like sylar in season 2 and it will be peter who says "i'm back" : )

[super_j_man]

-BTnG turns things on & off and since Peter's powers aren't off (just limited) I don't think it will work
-Ando's power is a possibility, but I agree with Dpyro it may not be permanent
-I think the only way for him to get his powers back is for him to regain his empathy (powers evolve over time anyway right?)

[targis]

-BTnG turns things on & off and since Peter's powers aren't off (just limited) I don't think it will work
-Ando's power is a possibility, but I agree with Dpyro it may not be permanent
-I think the only way for him to get his powers back is for him to regain his empathy (powers evolve over time anyway right?)
I once thought the same thing about BTNG restoring Peters power but now I see that it will work because of what it did to Hiro.

Both Peter and Hiro had there powers removed by Arthur.

The show established that Arthur didn't really take all the powers away like Arthur said he did but just made them unusable by Hiro saying the baby made my powers go just not all of them.

Peter took the shot and got a different power so the one that Arthur took is still turned off. So now all Peter has to do is have the baby turn back on his EM power and he will have that one and his new one from the shot also.

[Litle bit more bizarre]

I hope you are right

[super_j_man]

I once thought the same thing about BTNG restoring Peters power but now I see that it will work because of what it did to Hiro.

Both Peter and Hiro had there powers removed by Arthur.

The show established that Arthur didn't really take all the powers away like Arthur said he did but just made them unusable by Hiro saying the baby made my powers go just not all of them.

Peter took the shot and got a different power so the one that Arthur took is still turned off. So now all Peter has to do is have the baby turn back on his EM power and he will have that one and his new one from the shot also.

I guess you can look at it that way. Although, I kinda hope it's not that easy. To me, it would be much more interesting to see Peter learn to get his powers back on his own.

[the highlander]

exactly... i want him to learn and remember them ALL. Parents tend to manipulate their sons into thinking they can't do things.... I hope that Peter realizes that and sees that he can.

[CompanyMan]

It would be a bit of an inconsistency for Peter to still have the ability to absorb powers passively. And yes, it was an inconsistency for Hiro to get his ability to stop time again. The big hurdle that I am having a hart time jumping is when Arthur told Moninder (in volume three, while "curing" Maya of her power) that when he takes an ability, he takes it all and leaves nothing behind. Peter told Tracy that he can only hold one power at a time, when he takes a new one he loses the old one. That statement occured at the begining of the current volume. It has nothing to do with empathy, since Peter has shown just as much empathy in this volume as he did in volume one. But if the writers decide to find a credible way to have him stack a few powers, I promise not to complain.

[super_j_man]

It would be a bit of an inconsistency for Peter to still have the ability to absorb powers passively. And yes, it was an inconsistency for Hiro to get his ability to stop time again. The big hurdle that I am having a hart time jumping is when Arthur told Moninder (in volume three, while "curing" Maya of her power) that when he takes an ability, he takes it all and leaves nothing behind. Peter told Tracy that he can only hold one power at a time, when he takes a new one he loses the old one. That statement occured at the begining of the current volume. It has nothing to do with empathy, since Peter has shown just as much empathy in this volume as he did in volume one. But if the writers decide to find a credible way to have him stack a few powers, I promise not to complain.

I see what you're saying but it could be that Arthur was lying or wrong. I was always under the impression that the ability you develop had something to do with you.
Matt - was probably a little insecure, wanted to know what others thought of him
Daphne - simply wanted to run
Peter - cared for others (empathy)
Micah - was good with computers
Nikki - wanted to be strong but emotional was weak (resulted in a fracture)
etc.
I'm not saying that's always the case, but there seems to me to be a pattern nonetheless. That's why Peter's power is still similar to old one (because it was the power he was meant to have). It's different because of the changes he's gone through and though we've seen improvement in his character in "1961" he is still not the same Peter. But he is getting back it.

[CompanyMan]

Perhaps. The abilties are determinded by evolutionary changes to DNA more or less. I never really put much thought into that idea, but it would seem more like the abilities would shape the person more than anything else. Sylar has intuitive aptitude for as his base ability and that led to the hunger. Angela dreams the future and had to resort to lying and manipulating to try to persuade people of what was coming. As for Matt, Daphne, and Peter I'd have to put a little more thought into it.

[Alexander III]

Maybe when Peter meets baby parkman, thats when he'll get all his bower back.

[Superboy2]

Arthur also wanted power, and thats how his power developed. Samson is probably the same way.

[targis]

It would be a bit of an inconsistency for Peter to still have the ability to absorb powers passively. And yes, it was an inconsistency for Hiro to get his ability to stop time again. The big hurdle that I am having a hart time jumping is when Arthur told Moninder (in volume three, while "curing" Maya of her power) that when he takes an ability, he takes it all and leaves nothing behind. Peter told Tracy that he can only hold one power at a time, when he takes a new one he loses the old one. That statement occured at the begining of the current volume. It has nothing to do with empathy, since Peter has shown just as much empathy in this volume as he did in volume one. But if the writers decide to find a credible way to have him stack a few powers, I promise not to complain.

Yes it is inconstient with what the writers established earlier with Arthur but it is the path they have taken.

Whether we like it or not the game has changed.

[CompanyMan]

I see what you're saying but it could be that Arthur was lying or wrong.

Then shame on the writers for thinking its viewers are as dumb as a sack of doorknobs. It was unequivocally stated by Arthur and was never re-visited.

This is not an attack towards you, by the way. It does bug me when the writers get inconsistent. I don't mind them taking a few liberties here and there, but at least they could keep things flowing without such contradictions.

[super_j_man]

Perhaps. The abilties are determinded by evolutionary changes to DNA more or less. I never really put much thought into that idea, but it would seem more like the abilities would shape the person more than anything else. Sylar has intuitive aptitude for as his base ability and that led to the hunger. Angela dreams the future and had to resort to lying and manipulating to try to persuade people of what was coming. As for Matt, Daphne, and Peter I'd have to put a little more thought into it.

I definitely agree that the powers shapes the person. I have no doubt about that. Matt can see into other people's mind and tries too hard sometimes to figure people out, Daphne seems jump from one idea to the next instead of stopping to think, and Peter........well yeah, I'm trying to figure that one out two;). But the point I'm trying to make is that they probably got their power based on their personality before the had the power (in most cases, probably not all).

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Then shame on the writers for thinking its viewers are as dumb as a sack of doorknobs. It was unequivocally stated by Arthur and was never re-visited.

This is not an attack towards you, by the way. It does bug me when the writers get inconsistent. I don't mind them taking a few liberties here and there, but at least they could keep things flowing without such contradictions.

I think the problem is the writers hired monkeys to help write alot of what came out in Vol 3. ;)

[Superboy2]

Mohinder wanted to be strong. Hence his power. I don't know about Linderman, Bob, Elle, Charles etc.

[CompanyMan]

Mohinder wanted to be strong. Hence his power. I don't know about Linderman, Bob, Elle, Charles etc.

Mohinder had no idea what his power was going to be when he woke up by the river (after injecting himself with the formula derived from Maya's adrenaline). He was quite surprised at what his power turned out to be. So it's not like he obtained a power based on his personality.

[targis]

Maybe their personality forms around their power so it just seems that their is a pattern but really isn't.

[CompanyMan]

Maybe their personality forms around their power so it just seems that their is a pattern but really isn't.

I agree with that 100% Sort of like how our upbringing and surroundings help to shape our personalities but doesn't necessarily dictate it.

[Skaterpen357]

Mohinder had no idea what his power was going to be when he woke up by the river (after injecting himself with the formula derived from Maya's adrenaline). He was quite surprised at what his power turned out to be. So it's not like he obtained a power based on his personality.
Well, his powers did seem almost...standard...hightened senses, super strength, etc. Perhaps that was Heroes' take on "generic" powers, given to someone who wanted powers.

[CompanyMan]

Since the powers are derived by evolution, it would seem as if the formula would make alterations to the DNA in order for one to obtain an ability artificially. So it would make more sense that the newly obtained power would take on a power based, not on personality, but on the new DNA sequence that is formed.

[Superboy2]

In the future there were like 20-30 people with flight, but not any other power. Then the recruit got strength cause he wasn't strong enough to save his comrades.

[targis]

Arthur was a criminal defense attorney so how would he even know what his power did to a person inside their body.

Hiro once thought that he could stop time and it was later deterimined that he couldn't but only slow it down.

[CompanyMan]

Hiro can stop time. He only had a problem with that ability after Charlie died and he lost confidence in his abilties.

[targis]

Hiro can stop time. He only had a problem with that ability after Charlie died and he lost confidence in his abilties.
NAW, he just slows it down so it looks like it has stoped

[super_j_man]

NAW, he just slows it down so it looks like it has stoped

I think you are right, which is how Daphne can move while Hiro stops time (or slows it down). If time were truly stopped, I don't even think Hiro would be able to move.

[CompanyMan]

NAW, he just slows it down so it looks like it has stoped

Well, Heroes Wiki says he can stop time. They wouldn't lie to me would they?

[targis]

Well, Heroes Wiki says he can stop time. They wouldn't lie to me would they?
Wiki will do that. They can't really be trusted.

[super_j_man]

Well, Heroes Wiki says he can stop time. They wouldn't lie to me would they?

I generally like Heroes Wiki as well and the people behind it do their research, but you have to remember that it's still written by fans. It's not necessarily official.

[CompanyMan]

Actually, I thought targis was kidding so I really meant my retort to be a tounge-in-cheek remark.

Seriously, though, I do know that they make mistakes and have noted a few myself. Yet I also know they take great pains to be as accurate as possible.

[targis]

Ok to get back to what I was saying

Since Hiro was wrong about how his power worked when he thought he stoped time Arthur was wrong when he said he removed a person's power completly.

[CompanyMan]

Since Hiro was wrong about how his power worked when he thought he stoped time Arthur was wrong when he said he removed a person's power completly.

I don't see the connection between the two.

But Arthur's statement has never been refuted in an episode. I think we have both agreed in different posts that there should have been nothing there for Matt Jr. to turn on. So it seems that a plot hole opened up that will need to be closed in a future episode.

[ibecj83]

Have to see what actually happens when Arthur Petrelli steals abilities on the cellular level. I guess could think of it in terms of The Haitian. The Haitian takes memories, but can't give them back. Later it's discovered that cellular damage occurs and can be reversed/healed which results in memories returning.

In the case of stealing abilities: Arthur may actually damage, disable, or cut off access to the ability-gene. BTnG is able to enable or activate a connection again *maybe some biochemical re-routing*, but not a complete planned activation.

Perhaps an older/more experienced/focused Matt Parkman Junior could completely re-enable Hiro and Peter's powers. Hell, probably could cure cancer one day.

Arthur also mentioned later that he could give Peter his powers back with an injection.

As someone mentioned earlier, Arthur could have been lying about nothing being left. Sort of a way to discourage any attempts in hopes of willing the power back. Depend on what actually happens when powers are stolen. And for all extensive purposes, Arthur truly did believe nothing was left.

Another way at looking for reasons why the powers aren't fully restored is activating powers through artificial *non-natural means* just isn't as good as the original, maybe it'll just take longer.

One thing that is left about the power, is the memory of that ability in the brain/body. Which in the case of the formula the brain/body may push to try and heal/regain what it once had. Hiro's case, already explained my theory on the whole amateur rewiring job. :rotfl:

[targis]

I don't see the connection between the two.

But Arthur's statement has never been refuted in an episode. I think we have both agreed in different posts that there should have been nothing there for Matt Jr. to turn on. So it seems that a plot hole opened up that will need to be closed in a future episode.
We did agree that but I didn't see it then and I do now.

If the shot gave Peter a new ability the one Arthur turned off is still in the same condition it was before he took the shot.

Since Hiro had his power turned back on I now realize there is something that can be turned on after all. Peter would just have two different kinds of power absorbtion

The only thing that would make it not work is if Peter didn't get another power when he took the shot and just had his old power turned back on.

[GrantCalibre]

My theory of how things have worked is thus:
1) Arthur's power deactivates the ability-giving gene in his victims and copies that gene into his own DNA, thus "stealing" the power.
2) Peter took The Formula and it rewrote his DNA, so his old deactivated power gene was replaced by the new active power gene
3) Matt Parkman Jr.'s power can activate/deactivate biochemical and electrical systems (such as genes).
4) Hiro still has his original (but inactive) power genes, and BTnG reactivated part of those genes (giving him access to time-stopping).

This fits with the descriptions of everyone's abilities and doesn't require us to assume any plotholes. If the writers are smart, this is the explanation they'll use. When Arthur said, "I leaves nothing behind", that could easily have been him using colorful language or hyperbole. He didn't say, "I erase their DNA." The producers did precisely describe Parkman Jr's ability and it does not include inserting new genetic sequences or healing those that had been erased.

[CompanyMan]

If they do that, it would actually be considered a retcon of sorts, re-writing or changing what Arthur meant and how his ability to steal powers is concerned. As it stands right now, it is a plot hole.

[GrantCalibre]

Well, Heroes Wiki says he can stop time. They wouldn't lie to me would they?

I wouldn't consider it a lie, personally. Hiro can stop time for all intents and purposes. The only things that have ever moved while he has time frozen were people (Daphne and Peter) who could themselves manipulate time in one way or another. Daphne's power obviously allows her to bend the laws of space and time to a degree (see: Ando supercharging her) and Peter had absorbed Hiro's power.

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If they do that, it would actually be considered a retcon of sorts, re-writing or changing what Arthur meant and how his ability to steal powers is concerned. As it stands right now, it is a plot hole.

I wouldn't really consider going back and clarifying some colorful dialogue a "retcon". A retcon is when they tell you that the clone that Spider-man threw into the smokestack was actually the real Peter Parker, and that the clone had been thinking himself to be the real thing for all those years. :rotfl:

As it stands right now, it's only a plot hole if you don't subscribe the the theory I laid out.

[targis]

Daphne by herself could not manipulate time.

[GrantCalibre]

Daphne by herself could not manipulate time.

Sure she can! :) Ando can't give people powers they don't already have!

If she could could time-travel macroscopically when Ando was supercharging her (as explained by the theory of relativity), she must be time-traveling to a lesser extent when she is speeding on her own.

[CompanyMan]

The first item you quoted was actually a tounge-in-cheek rejoinder to what I thought was a wry retort. I'm aware that Daphne's power is simular in concept to Hiro's. That's why when he stopped time she was still able to move.

As for the other topic, here is the definition of retcon according to Wikipedia:


"Retroactive continuity is the deliberate changing of previously established facts in a work of serial fiction. The change is informally referred to as a "retcon", and producing a retcon is called "retconning".

So changing how Arthur's powers work would be considered a retcon even if it is only one or two facts that are changed.

[targis]

The first item you quoted was actually a tounge-in-cheek rejoinder to what I thought was a wry retort. I'm aware that Daphne's power is simular in concept to Hiro's. That's why when he stopped time she was still able to move.

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Hiro's power slows down time almost to to the point of stoping it and everybody moving regular speed apears to have stoped. But time never comes to a full stop.

Daphne's power left everybody moving at regular speed and boosted herself into superspeed.

Thats why when Hiro slowed time down Daphne was walking around at regular speed earlier in the season.

[CompanyMan]

Actually, Daphne was frozen in time until the wave-thingy that trailed behind her caught up to her. Then her eyes shifted while she was still frozen in time, then she moved normally.

[targis]

In the scene Hiro says something like "How can you be moving I'm supposed to stop time" Daphne says "I guess you don't" then she punches him in the face and runs off.

I can't quote it exactly because it was awhile back in the season like episode 2 or 3 and I don't have them recorded but that is pretty much what they said.

[GrantCalibre]

So changing how Arthur's powers work would be considered a retcon even if it is only one or two facts that are changed.

If Arthur says, "I leave nothing behind," it is up to the viewer to interpret what exactly he means. It is not a fact that he deletes the genes; thus, facts are not being changed; thus, no retcon. If we had seen genetic tests that showed that their genes had been removed, then we could consider it a retcon when they decide that the genes were actually just deactivated. But in this case, it is not a retcon, but merely the writers clarifying what Arthur's power actually does, since it had never been precisely defined (no, him saying "I leave nothing behind" is not "precisely defining" the power).

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Actually, Daphne was frozen in time until the wave-thingy that trailed behind her caught up to her. Then her eyes shifted while she was still frozen in time, then she moved normally.

Oh man, I forgot about her "wake" having to catch up with her in that first encounter. When I first saw it, I took it as a convenient plot-holey way of the writers showing them together; if she continued to move at normal speed from the moment he froze time, he wouldn't have ever caught up to her and had their moment. So maybe it was a plothole for the sake of progressing the plot? I don't know.

Daphne's power depends on perspective. We always see Hiro's power from his perspective: he freezes everyone else and he appears to move normally. Daphne's power is normally shown from others' perspective, but really to her the rest of the world is frozen/moving very slowly. I still don't see why she couldn't outrun a nuclear explosion... :P

[CompanyMan]

If Arthur says, "I leave nothing behind," it is up to the viewer to interpret what exactly he means. It is not a fact that he deletes the genes; thus, facts are not being changed; thus, no retcon. If we had seen genetic tests that showed that their genes had been removed, then we could consider it a retcon when they decide that the genes were actually just deactivated. But in this case, it is not a retcon, but merely the writers clarifying what Arthur's power actually does, since it had never been precisely defined (no, him saying "I leave nothing behind" is not "precisely defining" the power).

I failed to provide the whole quote. I had forgotten about the first part: "When I take a power, I take it all and leave nothing behind."

And then there is the exchange with Peter after he took Peter's powers from him:
Peter: "You took my abilities."
Arthur: "You gave me no choice, son."
Peter: "Are they gone forever?"
Arthur: "Yes."

So it would be established as fact that when someone loses an ability to Arthur it is permanent, and not left to interpretation.

[GrantCalibre]

I failed to provide the whole quote. I had forgotten about the first part: "When I take a power, I take it all and leave nothing behind."

And then there is the exchange with Peter after he took Peter's powers from him:
Peter: "You took my abilities."
Arthur: "You gave me no choice, son."
Peter: "Are they gone forever?"
Arthur: "Yes."

So it would be established as fact that when someone loses an ability to Arthur it is permanent, and not left to interpretation.

Just because a character says something doesn't make it a veritable fact. Arthur could have had any number of reasons (demoralizing Peter comes to mind) for lying to Peter. Or perhaps Arthur thought it was permanent, and simply had never encountered a power like Matt Parkman Jr.'s. Or perhaps Arthur thought that Peter was asking, "Will my powers come back eventually?" and Arthur was answering that the powers will not come back on their own. I mean, how many of us viewers wondered if Peter or Hiro's powers would eventually come back over time?

It was never presented as a fact that Peter or Hiro's genes had been deleted. The only thing that could really do that would be a reputable genetic sequencing of their new DNA, I guess. Or some sort of scientific analysis of the process through which Arthur's power works.

[targis]

Daphne's power depends on perspective. We always see Hiro's power from his perspective: he freezes everyone else and he appears to move normally. Daphne's power is normally shown from others' perspective, but really to her the rest of the world is frozen/moving very slowly. I still don't see why she couldn't outrun a nuclear explosion... :P

She tried to in "5 years gone" and she almost made it but she wasn't fast enough.

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I failed to provide the whole quote. I had forgotten about the first part: "When I take a power, I take it all and leave nothing behind."

And then there is the exchange with Peter after he took Peter's powers from him:
Peter: "You took my abilities."
Arthur: "You gave me no choice, son."
Peter: "Are they gone forever?"
Arthur: "Yes."

So it would be established as fact that when someone loses an ability to Arthur it is permanent, and not left to interpretation.

If it is a fact and CompanyMan is correct then BTNG gave Hiro a new power and can give them to anybody.

If it is not a fact then the theory on Peter being able to get his power back through BTNG is correct.

[topo21]

She tried to in "5 years gone" and she almost made it but she wasn't fast enough.

Does that mean if Hiro freezes time during a nuclear explosion, that it would continue to explode and not stop?

[Phantom X]

maybe daphne can outrun the explosion but she hadnt started running, therefpre got injured b4 she sped away,cus otherwise if the explosion was faster it wud hav caught up and engulfed her completely, her reactions wernt fast enuf,, and i think hiro slows time down at the same level taht daphne speeds up, therfore cancelling each other out,just a thort

[Skaterpen357]

^^^ That, or the formula just didn't work as well as BTNG...

Seriously, Peter's "new" power really isn't that different, except he can only copy one, and the transfer is by touch. The basic concept of copying powers is the same, however.

The formula didn't exist when Arthur took Peter's and Maya's powers, so Arthur's statement is rendered questionable at best in light of the formula. As has been noted, Peter's genes weren't rewritten when Arthur stole his powers, so if he injected himself, it makes sense he would get his old power back, even if in a diluted form. Also, the instant he got his powers back, he rescued Nathan via flying, before he touched him. Perhaps this was a hint of his original power, before degrading to what we've seen in this volume. Or it's another plot hole. But if one can justify a plot hole, that can't be a bad thing...

[ibecj83]

It's all left for interpretation and whether you believe Arthur or not. The nothing remained sort of got rebuffed when he tried to offer Peter his powers back shortly before his death.

Arthur's Knowledge:
He may or may not know what exactly happens when takes peoples' powers. Does stealing one power *telepathy* make him all-knowing about it? True, he only demonstrated that ability, maybe he had others *Prior to Adam, and Peter*. Maybe, maybe not. He did know that Sylar could take all the abilities he wants without killing, demonstrates some powerful knowledge there.

He's a good liar and has every reason to lie to Mohinder and Peter.
- He manipulated Sylar pretty damn good, even the sob story of how his mother was the villain and tried to drown him when he was a little boy.
---Mohinder: He needed his help to work on the formula and saying that Maya was cured completely was his way of sealing the deal and working with him, couldn't have any doubt.
---Peter: Telling Peter his powers were gone for good, try and show just hot futile it was to fight his father.

It could be said that Arthur doesn't know that much about genetics. He needed Mohinder to complete the formula, and he even needed him to try and fix the power loss they all experienced due to the Eclipse.

Something has to be left behind:genetic code or memory.

[CompanyMan]

This is the problem with plot holes. We are left to say, "Well, maybe..." Maybe Arthur was lying. Maybe Arthur didn't know. Maybe Arthur... In past volumes everything was explained so that we could have no doubt as to why things happened the way they did. I realize that some minor things can be left unexplained but something like this needs to be explained to avoid plot holes.

Now if it turns out that Arthur does not actually "delete" the ability from his victim, then Adam should still be alive. He shouldn't have turned to dust since his ability is still intact but only needs to be "turned on" again somehow.

[targis]

Now if it turns out that Arthur does not actually "delete" the ability from his victim, then Adam should still be alive. He shouldn't have turned to dust since his ability is still intact but only needs to be "turned on" again somehow.


Adam should be alive and it dosen't matter if it deleted or just turned off his power because it was working up until that point then up until then his body was working perfectly. I don't see how taking the power away would make him grow older. He should have just started to age again.

[the highlander]

not necessarily... His power was stopped well... his age caught up to him... if you were to gather the dust and find the gene and reactivate it... well he could regen again I guess....

I want peter to get his powers back really...

[targis]

I have come to three conclusions from this debate.

1st If Arthur was correct when he said "he goes down deep and leaves nothing" then BTNG can give powers to anybody because of what he did to Hiro.

2nd If Arthur was wrong and Peter got a new power when he took the shot then BTNG should be able to fix Peter like he did Hiro. Because Peter would have his new power from the shot and his disabled EM power.

3rd If Peter got his original power back and his genes were damaged when he took the shot causing his power not to work correctly all he has to do is copy Claires power and he will be absorbing like he was originaly.

[super_j_man]

Adam should be alive and it dosen't matter if it deleted or just turned off his power because it was working up until that point then up until then his body was working perfectly. I don't see how taking the power away would make him grow older. He should have just started to age again.


not necessarily... His power was stopped well... his age caught up to him...

I just don't see how even though his powers were stopped, his cells deteriated to dust in an instant. IMO it would have been more believable to have him gradually age rather than instantaneously. But I do agree with what targis said about just aging normally.



This is the problem with plot holes. We are left to say, "Well, maybe..." Maybe Arthur was lying. Maybe Arthur didn't know. Maybe Arthur... In past volumes everything was explained so that we could have no doubt as to why things happened the way they did. I realize that some minor things can be left unexplained but something like this needs to be explained to avoid plot holes.

Now if it turns out that Arthur does not actually "delete" the ability from his victim, then Adam should still be alive. He shouldn't have turned to dust since his ability is still intact but only needs to be "turned on" again somehow.

I agree with what you said about leaving things unexplained, but Vol 3 was never famous for writing anyway. :\ Whether it was Arthur lying and the writers leaving it unexplained or just a big continuitty error, like the rest of Vol 3 we'll just have choose to accept. Personally, I would rather go with it being something unexplained by the writers because I despise continuity errors (though it's not like it'll be the first). As far the whole Adam thing goes, it was just unrealistic. He should of survived, but not because his power could have been "turned on" again. Just because a power is "surpressed" and not "deleted" doesn't necessarily mean it could be easily activated. That's why a formula or BTnG was needed.

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I have come to three conlusions from this debate.

1st If Arthur was correct when he said "he goes down deep and leaves nothing" then BTNG can give powers to anybody because of what he did to Hiro.

2nd If Arthur was wrong and Peter got a new power when he took the shot then BTNG should be able to fix Peter like he did Hiro. Because Peter would have his new power from the shot and his disabled EM power.

3rd If Peter got his original power back and his genes were damaged when he took the shot causing his power not to work correctly all he has to do is copy Claires power and he will be absorbing like he was originaly.

I rather it be the 3rd conclusion. The first just makes BTNG sound like a human formula. The second would be acceptible though Peter having two powers sounds unnessary.

[Superboy2]

Whats BTNG?

[super_j_man]

BTNG - Baby Touch-n-Go aka Matt Parkman Jr.

[CompanyMan]

Personally, I would rather go with it being something unexplained by the writers because I despise continuity errors (though it's not like it'll be the first).

The more I think of it, the more I agree with this statement. Leaving it unexplained sounds great to me as long as they don't revisit the whole shebang. Leave Peter the way he is and move on.

I should be counted among those who would like to see him be able to stack his abilities, but I also am realistic enough that returning him to empathic mimicry would not be the way to go. The danger is that he could pick up another unstable power like Ted's and wind up overloading again.

[Superboy2]

I think if he regains his old power and trains himself then he should be able to control them.

[CompanyMan]

Actually, they might have to bring Claude back to help him. Last time he tried to handle all those powers alone he wound up overloading a few times.

[greendaze13]

Has anyone ever considered the fact that Claire is the one to die in the season finale?

I mean think about it....... If they are going towards the 5 years gone future and he is supposed to get his scar and have all of his abilities if claire werent alive he couldnt heal it. She has regenerative capabilities and if he had her ability then he shouldn't have the scar.

This has been driving me nuts. I don't know how the writers are going to tie this into everything.

::SPOILER ALERT::

Claude is in the finale. IMDB confirms it

So I am hoping we see peter get his scar in a final confrontation with sylar and the lead into redemption is a mirror of how season 2 ended with sylar. We see peter having his abilities back and a "to be continued"

I do believe that the death will be nathan though.

[targis]

The more I think of it, the more I agree with this statement. Leaving it unexplained sounds great to me as long as they don't revisit the whole shebang. Leave Peter the way he is and move on.

I should be counted among those who would like to see him be able to stack his abilities, but I also am realistic enough that returning him to empathic mimicry would not be the way to go. The danger is that he could pick up another unstable power like Ted's and wind up overloading again.

They have really made a mess of the Arthur/Hiro/Peter power gain/loss situation. I don't guess they even had a plan on all this before making Hiro and Peter powerless.

I'm not ok with Peter staying the way he is now.

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what if Claire,Nathan,Mohinder,Angela,Hiro,Ando,Hatian,Mat t,Micah,Monica,Tracy, and Claude were to put their hands on top of each other and Peter put his hand on top of theres and used his power would he copy all their powers?

This is a theory ?????. I know that they would not gather all together like that.

[CompanyMan]

They have really made a mess of the Arthur/Hiro/Peter power gain/loss situation. I don't guess they even had a plan on all this before making Hiro and Peter powerless.]

Yes, they made quite a mess with it. That's why I would just as soon bury the whole thing and move on.


what if Claire,Nathan,Mohinder,Angela,Hiro,Ando,Hatian,Mat t,Micah,Monica,Tracy, and Claude were to put their hands on top of each other and Peter put his hand on top of theres and used his power would he copy all their powers?

Thanks targis. You just made my head explode.

I guess we'll just have to get them all together and find out. Would be hard to find Tracy, though. Last I checked she was being filtered at the sewage treatment plant and then dissapeared.

[Skaterpen357]

what if Claire,Nathan,Mohinder,Angela,Hiro,Ando,Hatian,Mat t,Micah,Monica,Tracy, and Claude were to put their hands on top of each other and Peter put his hand on top of theres and used his power would he copy all their powers?
But the greatest power? The power of teamwork! :p

(Sorry, had to... :\)

[targis]

Thanks targis. You just made my head explode.


I guess we'll just have to get them all together and find out. Would be hard to find Tracy, though. Last I checked she was being filtered at the sewage treatment plant and then dissapeared.


LOL :lol:

[CompanyMan]

It would seem to me that if it were somehow possible for Peter to absorb several abilities at one time through contact, then he would most likely overload like he did in volume one. Although I know that he ultimately was able to handle it and probably can remember what it was like, to me it would be like lifting weights after a six to eight month layoff -- you would have to expect a lot of soreness.

[targis]

Isn't Ted's power gone for good now that Arthur is gone. Thats the only one that he couldn't control. Unless you count Tracy's power on on the plane and I think that was because he didn't know he had it.

[CompanyMan]

He overloaded in Texas right after saving Claire from Sylar. That was before he absorbed Ted's power. He also overloaded after he was sent flying off the roof of the Deveaux building by Claude. Claude had to knock him out to prevent anything from happening. That also was before he met Ted at Kirby Plaza.

[targis]

He overloaded in Texas right after saving Claire from Sylar. That was before he absorbed Ted's power. He also overloaded after he was sent flying off the roof of the Deveaux building by Claude. Claude had to knock him out to prevent anything from happening. That also was before he met Ted at Kirby Plaza.
LOL

I don't remember him having to be knocked out. It's been awhile since I watched it.

[CompanyMan]

LOL

I don't remember him having to be knocked out. It's been awhile since I watched it.

It's one of my favorite scenes from that volume. Peter started to lose it, Claude KO'ed him with one punch and then said, "Well, it's a staht!"

[super_j_man]

It's one of my favorite scenes from that volume. Peter started to lose it, Claude KO'ed him with one punch and then said, "Well, it's a staht!"

Claude is awesome!:lol:

[Vasser]

The Replication abilty is just lame. Now Sylar is the most powerful of the heroes. Now the balance is off, Pete and Sylar were the balance. I hope he gets his emphatic ability back because it makes it harder to watch the show each week.

[targis]

Claude seemed to know alot about how Peter's original power worked. He had to learn it somewhere. There must be someone else out there with empathatic mimicry as a power.

[CompanyMan]

Claude seemed to know alot about how Peter's original power worked. He had to learn it somewhere. There must be someone else out there with empathatic mimicry as a power.

Claude used to work for The Company -- he was Noah's partner. He also told Peter that he has helped others get a grip on their powers. So between the two, it's a safe bet that he knew how to help Peter.

You can check out two sites if you want to see a list of powers. One is the Advancing Evolution website, the other is on Heroes Wiki. They both have lists of people with abilities. There are quite a few people that had simular abilities to the characters on the show.

[InactiveUserID]

However he gets his powers back, it'll be dumb.
Like "Now I realize I can just give my powers back to myself!"

[targis]

Claude used to work for The Company -- he was Noah's partner. He also told Peter that he has helped others get a grip on their powers. So between the two, it's a safe bet that he knew how to help Peter.

You can check out two sites if you want to see a list of powers. One is the Advancing Evolution website, the other is on Heroes Wiki. They both have lists of people with abilities. There are quite a few people that had simular abilities to the characters on the show.
Peter told him that whenever he is around someone with a power that he can do what they can do. Claude told him that he is absorbing powers like a sponge and can retain them and use them whenever he wants to.

I don't see how just helping others with different powers than Peter's would make him know all that unless he had seen in used before.

[CompanyMan]

Peter told him that whenever he is around someone with a power that he can do what they can do. Claude told him that he is absorbing powers like a sponge and can retain them and use them whenever he wants to.

I don't see how just helping others with different powers than Peter's would make him know all that unless he had seen in used before.

I don't know a whole lot about it either. After Peter said that he can only do what others can do, Claude said "Oh, one of those!" Peter asked him if if there were more like him, (or something like that) and/or asked if he had helped others learn. Claude didn't answer that question or gave an evasive answer. The only other thing I can remember off-hand is that Claude also told Peter that he would help him to learn how to pluck out one ability at a time.

[targis]

Maybe Peter just got a upgrade and now has a new "File system" that stores powers differently then the Empathic Mimicry "File system" did and he just dosen't know how to access them.

[CompanyMan]

I don't recall Peter getting an "upgrade". What are you basing this on?

[targis]

I don't recall Peter getting an "upgrade". What are you basing this on?
I was trying to explain what I was talking about.

Maybe the new power he has stores powers differently than empathatic mimicry did and he dosen't know how to access them.


I recently rewatched the scene when future Peter was shot by Claire in the Alley and he was supposed to be dead but the only thing is he wasn't shot in the head. How can this be? Did future Peter have the power that he has now?

[CompanyMan]

That future was averted by not giving out powers to the general population. Daphne was alive in that future, but is now dead in the present tense. Knox is also dead. Sylar no longer has Ted's power like he did in that future. So that future can't exist as we saw it.

[targis]

But why did future Peter die from getting shot by Claire in the body?

[CompanyMan]

I see what you're driving at. I don't know the answer to your question. How did he get a scar if he has cellular regeneration? Almost something like a Catch-22.

[the highlander]

Point is... peter right now doesn't have all his powers... Either future peter didn't have cell regeneration or he was getting his powers one by one...

We do not know what future peter can do actually... We just assume he does what he was able to do before. I am sure it will be known soon.

[Superboy2]

Future Peter had multiple abilities, plus the Haitian was around and that may have stopped his healing.