Sylar/Nathan

[targis]

They have done it. There are two Nathans but something is going to have to happen to either Sylar or Nathan now or Nathan will have to go underground for awhile untill somebody figures out a way to stop Sylar.

[wooosmallville]

That was a great set up for next week. I was wondering how they'd pull it off and I totally wasn't expecting that.

[xMaNiAx]

that totally reminded me of X2 with Hank McCoy, i don't know why!!! lol

[CompanyMan]

They have done it. There are two Nathans but something is going to have to happen to either Sylar or Nathan now or Nathan will have to go underground for awhile untill somebody figures out a way to stop Sylar.

I think the best thing he can do is show up next time Sylar-as-Nathan calls another press conference.

[targis]

I think the best thing he can do is show up next time Sylar-as-Nathan calls another press conference.

No
They want to go back into hiding again and that would expose them

[CompanyMan]

They can't afford to go into hiding. They have to put a stop to the government operation somehow.

[targis]

Lets say he did that and got up there with Sylar. Sylar would just kill him and walk away and become someone else.

[CompanyMan]

On national TV? Surrounded by tons of reporters? Then and again, Nathan was killed before, so I'm sure he'll get over it.

[Lilah]

They're heading toward the future we saw in 5 Years Gone. The one Hiro traveled to. They've been doing so all season with Danko's operation and Sylar impersonating Nathan. There are a few sub plot changes obviously, since Nikki is dead and apparently Peter will know about Sylar's shape shifting power but its the same future more or less. I'm stoked about it!

[Skaterpen357]

Yeah, the instant I saw Sylar-as-Nathan, I thought of Season 1...I think the writers are trying to show us that some elements of the future are just that persistent--no New York explosion, but Sylar becomes President Nathan Petrelli regardless. I thought that was pretty neat. And I hadn't thought about the Linderman Act/Danko thing--nice catch.

[targis]

On national TV? Surrounded by tons of reporters? Then and again, Nathan was killed before, so I'm sure he'll get over it.
Yeah
He would just stay in Nathan form and cut the real Nathans head open right there on stage and take his power then fly away. Nobody would know it was him and even if they did the shapeshifting power makes it almost imposibe for him to get caught.

[CompanyMan]

Okay, so maybe that was a bad idea on my part. I can see how that sceme could blow up and mess everything up. But I still don't think it would be a good idea for them to go into hiding. If they do, they could risk the same thing happening again in another 50 years or so. They have to find a way to put a stop to the Building 26 operation.

[super_j_man]

There are a lot of similarities to the Five Years Gone episode as far as where they are headed, but there are too many differences. Each time they try to stop the future from happening they create a different future, there are just always similarities between each future, such as Nathan as President (or Sylar as Nathan as President).

[targis]

Did you see the sign on the lab at Coyote Sands where they were doing the experiments. It said Building 26.

They have a Building 26 in the present also.

Does that mean that someone in the government remembers what happen in 1961?

What are the chances they would have two places with the same name with similar goals?

Maybe Danko or his father was one of soldjers there which is why he hates evolved humans so much.

[CompanyMan]

Did you see the sign on the lab at Coyote Sands where they were doing the experiments. It said Building 26.

Yeah, I saw it. It was a quick glimpse and then it was gone. I thought I was seeing things. My second reaction was something along the lines of "it's gotta be a coincidence."

[super_j_man]

Did you see the sign on the lab at Coyote Sands where they were doing the experiments. It said Building 26.

They have a Building 26 in the present also.

Does that mean that someone in the government remembers what happen in 1961?

What are the chances they would have two places with the same name with similar goals?

Maybe Danko or his father was one of soldjers there which is why he hates evolved humans so much.

hmmmmm......very interesting, I didn't even catch it :eek:. I've been wondering if Danko was gonna be tied into this episode.

[doomvskal86]

Yeah, the instant I saw Sylar-as-Nathan, I thought of Season 1...I think the writers are trying to show us that some elements of the future are just that persistent--no New York explosion, but Sylar becomes President Nathan Petrelli regardless. I thought that was pretty neat. And I hadn't thought about the Linderman Act/Danko thing--nice catch.



Me too that's what I instantly thought but of course with some changes so lets hope it will happen and the changes make sense

[BaGz]

what's building 26 in the present? Also (off topic) but my DVR cut out the preview for next week... what did it show??!

[targis]

Building 26 is the government's base camp

[shanemak]

They have done it. There are two Nathans but something is going to have to happen to either Sylar or Nathan now or Nathan will have to go underground for awhile untill somebody figures out a way to stop Sylar.

I was under the impression that Sylar must physically touch the person he shape shifts into. If so, when did he touch Nathan?

[CompanyMan]

I was under the impression that Sylar must physically touch the person he shape shifts into. If so, when did he touch Nathan?

As far as I know, the two have never been in the same scene except for the very end of Volume One. I don't ever remember them coming in contact with each other. That presents a bit of a problem, since it has been established that the shapeshifter has to make physical contact prior to taking on their form.

[targis]

Maybe he goes to Nathan's office and finds a hair from Nathans head there and uses that.

[Skaterpen357]

I don't think he has to touch the person; James Martin (the original shape shifter) became both Sylar and Danko, and I don't think he touched either of them.

[CompanyMan]

The thing about Martin changing into Sylar was a bit of a plot hole. They took great pains to show he had to come into physical contact with the person he wanted to emulate. Otherwise, Martin wouldn't have had to risk detection by going to Building 26 and shaking Danko's hand.

[Merfish]

Doesn't Sylar have to touch or come in contact with whom he shape shifts into? If so how'd he become Nathan?

[super_j_man]

That's what we're trying to figure out, but to me it must have just been a big goof on the writer's part. It really wouldn't surprise me if it was.

[Lilah]

It could be a mistake on the writer's part... but eh who cares.... lol... that moment was really epic at the end. lol!

[targis]

They will probably explain it all next monday night.

[Skaterpen357]

I got a theory...perhaps if Sylar has a clear image of who he's shifting into, he can do it, but not perfectly; i.e., the comment about Danko's mole was because he morphed perfectly into Danko, who he did touch...

Basically, not touch = he has to go by memory; touch = perfect shape shift.

Plausible...?

[super_j_man]

I got a theory...perhaps if Sylar has a clear image of who he's shifting into, he can do it, but not perfectly; i.e., the comment about Danko's mole was because he morphed perfectly into Danko, who he did touch...

Basically, not touch = he has to go by memory; touch = perfect shape shift.

Plausible...?

That's a pretty good theory. I kinda thinking something similar.

[CompanyMan]

That might work if the person he's emulating doesn't require perfection, but taking on Nathan's appearance at a political press conference does require every detail of his appearance to be perfect. A political reporter is bound to notice something out of the ordinary, I would think.

[Melekith]

Well, assuming that physical contact has to be made, we can just further assume that it happened off-screen. Sylar-as-Danko may have had plenty of contact with Nathan. And who's to say that the Nathan that went to Coyote Sands isn't Sylar? It's a stretch I know.

I'm more interested in the look/smile that Angela gives when she sees Nathan (possibly Sylar) on TV. THAT was freaky.

[super_j_man]

Well, assuming that physical contact has to be made, we can just further assume that it happened off-screen. Sylar-as-Danko may have had plenty of contact with Nathan. And who's to say that the Nathan that went to Coyote Sands isn't Sylar? It's a stretch I know.

I'm more interested in the look/smile that Angela gives when she sees Nathan (possibly Sylar) on TV. THAT was freaky.

That wouldn't make any sense because Danko exposed Nathan before he Danko met with Sylar. So while Sylar and Danko were teaming up, Nathan was getting drunk in Mexico. Nathan was with Claire the whole time and we know its him in Coyote Sands anyway because Sylar can't fly. Sylar and Nathan have never been together in the same place at the same time (except for briefly in How to Stop an Exploding Man and Sylar had been stapped at the time).

About the smile, Angela's just wierd like that anyway.:D

[Lilah]

In next week's preview we see Sylar morphing into Nathan... He's looking down. Maybe he is looking at a pic of Nathan, or maybe he just has to concentrate on who he wants to look like.