Mistakes, Plotholes & Inconsistencies in Eternal

[xrayvision]

There were quite a few plotholes in this episode.

One I got at the end was Chloe being able to stop him from killing when in the original timeline in Infamous this was not the case. Davis told her to get out & went DD on her, ripped off the door & killed her offscreen.

[Supsfan]

I think the entire episode trying to retcon the past was one huge mistake

[ClarkyBoy14]

She hadn't touched him when he was transforming.

I think this might be a plothole: IIRC, Lex didn't know the St. George story until that b-day party of his.

[aceofclubs]

Oh and how Tess was able to steal Lionels journal yet Lex never acquired it, it totally seems like something he would do, especially since he was obsessed with Veritas. And where was this journal kept?

[deanropi]

I thought Davis is suppose to be the same age as Clark. Looked like he was the same age as Lex.

[ledzepfan23]

Another one is why did the knife in Talisman disappear when Lex touched it if he wasn't Clark's greatest enemy?

[Lexsghost]

Why was there kryptonite in the st george box and why was it on lionels desk when it was the gift for lex from where ever lionel got it. Did he re-gift it to lex? haha

[Poyntz]

'hmmm This mistake i'm about to point out has happened a few times. In the early seasons Lex has told Clark that his father brought this castle over stone by stone. But never step foot in it. He even said his father had no intentions of living in it. So how come all flashbacks of the luthers are in the castle? Also the castle is in smallville. How come on the day of the shower (a few seasons ago i'm talking now) He had to take a helocopter there?

Also. Tess said something at the end after her conversation with Clark and says Kal-el ( i dont remember the exact thing she whispered) He's got super hearing how come he can't hear her? LOL

sigh

There were alot of booboos.. but ya know what. I still enjoyed this episode that makes 5 or 6 i've actually liked this season. (strange only one of them and lois in them (other then hex when she wasnt playing lois) lol

I really do like Cassidy as an actor. Not sure i like the character but she's great actress. I would love to one day see her playing lois in another verison of superman universe.

[xrayvision]

She hadn't touched him when he was transforming.

I think this might be a plothole: IIRC, Lex didn't know the St. George story until that b-day party of his.

Yup. I brought that up in the live discussion thread.

[ClarkyBoy14]

I thought Davis is suppose to be the same age as Clark. Looked like he was the same age as Lex.

I think he's always been a little older than Clark.

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yup. I brought that up in the live discussion thread.

oic. :)

[myankskent]

Why did Davis bleed when the knife cut his hand when he already survived that back in "Bloodline"? He took a knife and stabbed his chest in that episode and the knife shattered and now a knife can cut his hand? Give me a break. That's a really bad mistake.

[aceofclubs]

Why did Davis bleed when the knife cut his hand when he already survived that back in "Bloodline"? He took a knife and stabbed his chest in that episode and the knife shattered and now a knife can cut his hand? Give me a break. That's a really bad mistake.
I thought about that too, maybe the writers think hes immune to stabbing, not cutting... lol

[Jack-El49]

I still enjoyed this episode that makes 5 or 6 i've actually liked this season. (strange only one of them and lois in them (other then hex when she wasnt playing lois) lol

I really do like Cassidy as an actor. Not sure i like the character but she's great actress. I would love to one day see her playing lois in another verison of superman universe.

I really enjoyed this episode too - I thought it would be a filler.

I like Cassidy too. She is a very, very good actress in this role. As Lois...naaah. I'd prefer to see her one day playing in my bathtub! :lol:

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Why did Davis bleed when the knife cut his hand when he already survived that back in "Bloodline"? He took a knife and stabbed his chest in that episode and the knife shattered and now a knife can cut his hand? Give me a break. That's a really bad mistake.

I thought that was odd too. Bloop!

[the highlander]

You guys are right... Specially the explosion...

It could also be that his adrenaline was up at that moment and thus his body gets stronger or impenetrable.... Just a guess..

[Saber]

Oops wrong thread...my bad.

[SGuthrie27]

There was plenty of weird stuff, but the most glaring plothole for me would be the whole "Oliver's taking care of it" bit, and then Davis shows up, completely fine in Chloe's basement. Yeah, but wha -- ?!

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[kszonew]

There were quite a few plotholes in this episode.

One I got at the end was Chloe being able to stop him from killing when in the original timeline in Infamous this was not the case. Davis told her to get out & went DD on her, ripped off the door & killed her offscreen.

Although the rethinking of the Kwatchee myth didn't set 100% well with me, I've learned to accept continuty errors in tv shows. They happen, right or wrong. Sometimes you just have to make up things to try and explain them. In this case, I choose to see that the cave drawing was about both Clark/Lex and Clark/Davis.

Ex: In order to prevail over one (Lex) Clark must cut the head off (Davis) so to speak. The rite of passage, the destiny whatever.

Feeling that way I can accept the rewrite. In the end we are lucky, other shows get it far, far worse. At least the writers are trying to tie things in. Veritas itself tied in a lot of the web episodes, etc. Outside of the "new logo" just appearing on the mansion window I was cool with the storyline.

[jwm]

You gotta laugh how Lionel's people tracked down Davis right past the spaceship and left it there for somebody else to retrieve.

[superguy28]

Another one is why did the knife in Talisman disappear when Lex touched it if he wasn't Clark's greatest enemy?

That is what bothers me the most. Talisman is one of my favorite episodes and they basically just dismissed it.

[The Striving Artist®]

The whole retcon the pilot-season 7.For one thing.Also why didn't Lex ask his father why he was housing some strange boy.Who by the way put on the most unconvincing look of suffering when exposed to kryptonite.

Also we learn in "Pilot" that Lionel was looking for Lex.Since we know how much of a heartless bastard he was towards him,how come he didn't ditch him to join up with his men searching for the ship and the Traveler? Instead he tracks Lex,looks horrified and then hitches a ride with the Kents.

[Poyntz]

Oh yea i forgot the ship was right beside the boy. LOL they left the space craft to grab a kid who for all they knew could of been in that feiled when the craft crashed LOL

[SGuthrie27]

P.S. Uhhh... wouldn't someone (even Lionel's men) have noticed the big opened egg pod lying there? And wouldn't they have found it odd that he instantaneously knew how to speak English? Oh, and I'd wonder (were I Lionel) what happened to my men who were sent to drop off Li'l Davis when they turned up either missing or dead, wouldn't you?

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[Night_Hawk90]

You gotta laugh how Lionel's people tracked down Davis right past the spaceship and left it there for somebody else to retrieve.

i was wondering the exact same thing, it wasnt tell the s2 where pete found clark's spaceship yet we had lionel's people in this episode run right threw the field at the exact time the spaceship landed and they didnt even glance at it.

[Poyntz]

I have to rewatch the episode but was it Tess that made the comment that Davis and Clark didn't get along for a reason? If so (unless i'm wrong) ... how would she know that?

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Also.. So Lional knew clark was the travel all along? they have always had him suspecting it but not knowing. Also wasnt it Johnathan not Martha that called in the favor?

[xrayvision]

I thought Davis is suppose to be the same age as Clark. Looked like he was the same age as Lex.

Yeah. I noticed this & brought it up on the live discussion thread. Plus, he spoke English the day he landed (unlike Clark who didn't know English or any language).

[Kschreck]

This episode was terrible when it comes to storyline. More plotholes then an entire series of a normal television show. These writers are just getting very lazy these days.

[xrayvision]

Another one is why did the knife in Talisman disappear when Lex touched it if he wasn't Clark's greatest enemy?

My explanation for this is that Tess has it all wrong, which she definitely does. Tess thinks Lex is dead like everyone else. Sageeth (the 2 headed creature in the cave) is not supposed to die, but form the balance of good & evil with Naman (Clark). So since everyone thinks Lex is dead, they don't think he's Sageeth anymore.

But guess what? They're all wrong. We, the viewers know Lex is Sageeth because the prophecy said the Starblade would crumble when Sageeth touched it, exactly what happened in Talisman. Clark should actually know better since he witnessed Lex & Lionel touching it. So he should know that Lex isn't dead.

Last year, Ed Teague said that the 2-headed creature is Clark because it represented his potential for evil. But he was wrong too. The Kawatche knew the most since it's their legend & they said that Sageeth is the friend who becomes the enemy. Between the crumbling of the Starblade & Lex being Clark's friend, there's no question that Lex is really it. Clark will not have an ongoing struggle with himself or Doomsday, but instead Lex.

I just hope they go back to this & have Clark realize who the real Sageeth is if/when Lex returns or is about to return.

[dru-zod2501]

How did the kents not notice a whole team of black ops mercs with guns and cages in an open field? And why did the team not think to subdue the kents and take other naked boy that just happened to be in the same crash site as the alien?

[xrayvision]

'hmmm This mistake i'm about to point out has happened a few times. In the early seasons Lex has told Clark that his father brought this castle over stone by stone. But never step foot in it. He even said his father had no intentions of living in it. So how come all flashbacks of the luthers are in the castle? Also the castle is in smallville. How come on the day of the shower (a few seasons ago i'm talking now) He had to take a helocopter there?

Also. Tess said something at the end after her conversation with Clark and says Kal-el ( i dont remember the exact thing she whispered) He's got super hearing how come he can't hear her? LOL

sigh

There were alot of booboos.. but ya know what. I still enjoyed this episode that makes 5 or 6 i've actually liked this season. (strange only one of them and lois in them (other then hex when she wasnt playing lois) lol

I really do like Cassidy as an actor. Not sure i like the character but she's great actress. I would love to one day see her playing lois in another verison of superman universe.

Very nicely observed. I completely forgot about that.

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I think he's always been a little older than Clark.

Well, the reality is that Davis wasn't even created yet when Clark was still an infant. Unless he's some sort of aged clone, which is what I think he is supposed to be (at least a little similar to what happened in the comics), but with Zod's & Faora's DNA spliced.

[ClubXerxes]

Yeah. I noticed this & brought it up on the live discussion thread. Plus, he spoke English the day he landed (unlike Clark who didn't know English or any language).

Yeah...but he's Doomsday...he starts off illiterate, then comes back stronger in the English language...I'm sure by now he speaks fluent Mandarin Chinese

[xrayvision]

I really enjoyed this episode too - I thought it would be a filler.

I like Cassidy too. She is a very, very good actress in this role. As Lois...naaah. I'd prefer to see her one day playing in my bathtub! :lol:

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I thought that was odd too. Bloop!

This was anything but a filler. This completely serves the main plot of the season, but my pure enjoyment for it was ruined by the plotholes & blatant contradictions of facts established in the past episodes.

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Although the rethinking of the Kwatchee myth didn't set 100% well with me, I've learned to accept continuty errors in tv shows. They happen, right or wrong. Sometimes you just have to make up things to try and explain them. In this case, I choose to see that the cave drawing was about both Clark/Lex and Clark/Davis.

Ex: In order to prevail over one (Lex) Clark must cut the head off (Davis) so to speak. The rite of passage, the destiny whatever.

Feeling that way I can accept the rewrite. In the end we are lucky, other shows get it far, far worse. At least the writers are trying to tie things in. Veritas itself tied in a lot of the web episodes, etc. Outside of the "new logo" just appearing on the mansion window I was cool with the storyline.

I actually came up with an explanation for the Kawatche contradiction. Everyone thinks Lex is dead (but the legend says Sageeth will be Naman's ongoing enemy). So because they think Lex is dead, he can't be Sageeth. But they're wrong, because we all know Lex is alive somewhere. He's too cunning to Lex Oliver kill him like that. And he will show up & everyone will know who the real Sageeth is. Clark should have been the only one to know since he witnessed the crumbling of the Starblade & knows Lionel (who was also next to it when it crumbled) is dead so only Lex can be Sageeth. So to write Lex off is poor judgement on Clark's part considering the prophecy came true in Talisman.

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You gotta laugh how Lionel's people tracked down Davis right past the spaceship and left it there for somebody else to retrieve.

Yeah, I was thinking the same as I watched. He was obsessed with Dr. Hamilton finding it in Duplicity but couldn't care less back then. What a joke.

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That is what bothers me the most. Talisman is one of my favorite episodes and they basically just dismissed it.

It's my favorite-ever mythos episode. I loved it all, especially the ending with Lex's interpretation of Sageeth as the hero & Naman as the evil ruler. It even had the best damn deleted scenes out of any other episode (the birthday party & the scene on the Australian DVD set where Lionel confonts Lex about being Sageeth---something I want to see so badly).

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The whole retcon the pilot-season 7.For one thing.Also why didn't Lex ask his father why he was housing some strange boy.Who by the way put on the most unconvincing look of suffering when exposed to kryptonite.

Also we learn in "Pilot" that Lionel was looking for Lex.Since we know how much of a heartless bastard he was towards him,how come he didn't ditch him to join up with his men searching for the ship and the Traveler? Instead he tracks Lex,looks horrified and then hitches a ride with the Kents.

Why wouldn't Lex ever bring up the strange kid that was locked up in the mansion all those years? He didn't even bring it up last year when they probably knew that they would bring Doomsday in season 8.

[Kschreck]

I am borrowing this from the "Eternal" forums because I thought it would be good to discuss here in the spoiler section of the forums.

"Eternal" was as many of us feared, plagued with giant mistakes, plotholes and inconsisitencies that practically destroy anything we knew from past Smallville episodes. I will list a few already discovered by various forum members:


-Chloe is able to stop Doomsday almost any time she wants but that wasn't the case in the original timeline arc for "Infamous"
-Lex didn't know the St. George (about the box) story until that b-day party of his
-Tess was able to get Lionel's Veritas journal yet Lex has never been able to.
-Another one is why did the knife in Talisman disappear when Lex touched it if he wasn't Clark's greatest enemy?
-Why was there kryptonite in the st george box and why was it on lionels desk when it was the gift for lex from where ever lionel got it. Did he re-gift it to lex? haha
-How would he even know about kryptonite that early in the Smallville storyline.
-It sure did look like Lionel Luthor lived there even though Clark said that Lionel never lived in the castle and had no intention to.
-Why did Davis get cut by the knife when in previous episodes he couldn't be harmed by knives?
-There was plenty of weird stuff, but the most glaring plothole for me would be the whole "Oliver's taking care of it" bit, and then Davis shows up, completely fine in Chloe's basement. Yeah, but wha -- ?!
-You gotta laugh how Lionel's people tracked down Davis right past the spaceship and left it there for somebody else to retrieve
-Lionels men didn't even notice the big egg Doomsday hatched from and ignored that he spoke perfect English.
-I have to rewatch the episode but was it Tess that made the comment that Davis and Clark didn't get along for a reason? If so (unless i'm wrong) ... how would she know that?
-All sorts of biblical errors and misinterpretations from the new Testament.
-Also.. So Lional knew clark was the travel all along? they have always had him suspecting it but not knowing. Also wasnt it Johnathan not Martha that called in the favor?
-Somehow the Orb magically survived Jor-El's destruction of the fortress and magically found it's way back to Tess Mercer who has never even seen the Orb in person before.
-Did Clark say he had nightmares as a child of his ship landing in the cornfield and noone come to find him? He must have been 15 or 16 when he found out he came from another planet.


I am usually pretty forgiving about errors but man were there a lot in this episode. It's kind of hard to ignore these glaring plotholes. This episode would have been ok if it didn't have these plotholes but because of them, I can't say that I really enjoyed this episode. I also don't like the whole Chloe/Jimmy situation. Jimmy sending her all sorts of swear words and stuff and then Chloe already over Jimmy, BFF'ing Doomsday. Even after finding out he is Doomsday to apparently "protect Clark". I don't know, this episode was horrible when it comes to writing. In my opinion!


EDIT: It looks like Brian Peterson & Kelly Souders wrote this episode... :lol:

[Kschreck]

What is even more sad is the fact that Brian Peterson & Kelly Souders wrote this episode. I would have expected more from these guys. :(

[xrayvision]

Also.. So Lional knew clark was the travel all along? they have always had him suspecting it but not knowing. Also wasnt it Johnathan not Martha that called in the favor?

This gaping plothole started last season when they said that Lionel specifically went to Smallville not to buy the Ross Creamed Corn factory, but instead to meet Clark/the Traveler. It was brought up again this episode (I was hoping contradictions would be left out in season 8). :mad:

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How did the kents not notice a whole team of black ops mercs with guns and cages in an open field? And why did the team not think to subdue the kents and take other naked boy that just happened to be in the same crash site as the alien?

You spotted another one. Also, how the hell didn't the black ops guys not notice them carrying a naked kid?

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Yeah...but he's Doomsday...he starts off illiterate, then comes back stronger in the English language...I'm sure by now he speaks fluent Mandarin Chinese

LOL!

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What is even more sad is the fact that Brian Peterson & Kelly Souders wrote this episode. I would have expected more from these guys. :(

Lazy, lazy, lazy. Are those the 2 that will be remaining next year?

[Vergon6]

My explanation for this is that Tess has it all wrong, which she definitely does. Tess thinks Lex is dead like everyone else. Sageeth (the 2 headed creature in the cave) is not supposed to die, but form the balance of good & evil with Naman (Clark). So since everyone thinks Lex is dead, they don't think he's Sageeth anymore.

But guess what? They're all wrong. We, the viewers know Lex is Sageeth because the prophecy said the Starblade would crumble when Sageeth touched it, exactly what happened in Talisman. Clark should actually know better since he witnessed Lex & Lionel touching it. So he should know that Lex isn't dead.

Last year, Ed Teague said that the 2-headed creature is Clark because it represented his potential for evil. But he was wrong too. The Kawatche knew the most since it's their legend & they said that Sageeth is the friend who becomes the enemy. Between the crumbling of the Starblade & Lex being Clark's friend, there's no question that Lex is really it. Clark will not have an ongoing struggle with himself or Doomsday, but instead Lex.

I just hope they go back to this & have Clark realize who the real Sageeth is if/when Lex returns or is about to return.
Yeah I hope so too. Just like I hope Clark realizes that while he may have turned out different with the Luthors, he wouldn't have became Doomsday, and that Davis, no matter was destined to become Doomsday. Not only that, but it wasn't his fault, but Zod, Faora and Brainiac's fault.

[The Striving Artist®]

Ooo even more inconsistencies! How come the black ops or Davis didn't run into the electro-kid from the "Pilot" episode that was hung up like a scarecrow??? Surely they would have ran into him or something.

[Kschreck]

Lazy, lazy, lazy. Are those the 2 that will be remaining next year?


Unfortunately! :\

[xrayvision]

Yeah I hope so too. Just like I hope Clark realizes that while he may have turned out different with the Luthors, he wouldn't have became Doomsday, and that Davis, no matter was destined to become Doomsday. Not only that, but it wasn't his fault, but Zod, Faora and Brainiac's fault.

Yeah. I'm sure they could have created Davis to be a normal Kryptonian clone, but instead they spliced their DNA into that of one of the prehistoric Kryptonian creatures of Doomsday's race.

[kszonew]

It's my favorite-ever mythos episode. I loved it all, especially the ending with Lex's interpretation of Sageeth as the hero & Naman as the evil ruler. It even had the best damn deleted scenes out of any other episode (the birthday party & the scene on the Australian DVD set where Lionel confonts Lex about being Sageeth---something I want to see so badly).



Agreed, Talisman is a very underappreciated episode in my opinon. After reading some of the posts on Eternal I'm glad to see there are others who also really liked that episode and I am guessing Season 3. In my opinon, Season 3 was the show's best season ever (even with a few duds). I honestly don't think anything will eclipse it, with strong and lasting episodes like the Exile, Phoenix, Shattered, Asylum, Legacy, Talisman and Memoria. Eternal reminded me a bit of Season 3.

[amberdawn]

Why did Davis bleed when the knife cut his hand when he already survived that back in "Bloodline"? He took a knife and stabbed his chest in that episode and the knife shattered and now a knife can cut his hand? Give me a break. That's a really bad mistake.

Yeah, that was a big mistake there.

['Tonio09]

-Tess was able to get Lionel's Veritas journal yet Lex has never been able to.


How in the world did Lex not get that book/jorunal?!? He can find the orb in a fireplace through the help of remembering a song on a piano, but misses the Veritas journal??

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Why did Davis get cut by the knife when in previous episodes he couldn't be harmed by knives?


I noticed that too. Didnt he stab himself at the end of Bloodline and the knife shattered??

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-I have to rewatch the episode but was it Tess that made the comment that Davis and Clark didn't get along for a reason? If so (unless i'm wrong) ... how would she know that?

I didnt notice that one. But now that you mention it...how would she know that??
She's never even mentioned him before now..has she??

[The Striving Artist®]

Wouldn't it have made more sense for Faora to attach Doomsday's egg onto the BLACK ship from Season 4? A.K.A. Brainiac's original form? Have him,the disciples and Brainiac release Zod,Doomsday would eliminate the human race along with Namek and Aetheyre and Brainiac would disconnect all technology with Kryptonian.

Voila! Continuity saved!

[xrayvision]

Agreed, Talisman is a very underappreciated episode in my opinon. After reading some of the posts on Eternal I'm glad to see there are others who also really liked that episode and I am guessing Season 3. In my opinon, Season 3 was the show's best season ever (even with a few duds). I honestly don't think anything will eclipse it, with strong and lasting episodes like the Exile, Phoenix, Shattered, Asylum, Legacy, Talisman and Memoria. Eternal reminded me a bit of Season 3.

My favorite is season 2 with S3 trailing right behind. I loved S2 because:

-The caves were introduced
-Red-k was introduced
-Pete learned his secret
-Introduction of Swann (Rosetta was awesome)
-Introduction of Jor-El
-Introduction of Helen Bryce
-Introduction of Dr. Walden (one of my favorite villians)
-The beginning of Lionel's obsession with Clark in Duplicity & Red
-Introduction of Lucas
-Superjump in Insurgence (awesome episode)
-Fever & the events that took place
-Further development of Clark's ship & Dr. Hamilton
-The cave parasites
-Introduction of heatvision (best introduction of any of his powers)
-I loved Chloe back then (and in seasons 1, 3 & 4 too)

Season 3 was great because it followed up perfectly from S2.

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Wouldn't it have made more sense for Faora to attach Doomsday's egg onto the BLACK ship from Season 4? A.K.A. Brainiac's original form? Have him,the disciples and Brainiac release Zod,Doomsday would eliminate the human race along with Namek and Aetheyre and Brainiac would disconnect all technology with Kryptonian.

Voila! Continuity saved!

That would be awesome. I proposed something similar where Brainiac places a splinter of himself in Davis' genetic matter & summons him to Earth just like he (Brainiac) was summoned when blood got on the Air stone in Commencement.

[Ilovebeinglost]

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Clark wrapped in a red blanket? What's with the blue blanket. They must have colored that in for this episode.

It was nice to see Martha and Johnathon again

['Tonio09]

-Why was there kryptonite in the st george box and why was it on lionels desk when it was the gift for lex from where ever lionel got it. Did he re-gift it to lex?

lol.

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I also don't like the whole Chloe/Jimmy situation. Jimmy sending her all sorts of swear words and stuff and then Chloe already over Jimmy, BFF'ing Doomsday. Even after finding out he is Doomsday to apparently "protect Clark". I don't know, this episode was horrible when it comes to writing. In my opinion!

Yeah that was crazy. I mean Davis played a big role in Chloe and Jimmy's marriage breaking apart, and she has dinner with him???

And I really dont agree with her keeping her down in the basement to 'protect Clark' she needs to let him know what she plans on doing. He's already oblivious enough.

[amberdawn]

That a lot of plot holes and inconsistencies. :lol: Shame on your Brian and Kelly.

[noblue4u]

I agree... but why is this in the spoilers section? This section is for new spoilers and discussing said spoilers.

Also, I want to just say that I much prefer this version, even though it completely steps on the toes of the past seven seasons before S8. While Al/Miles failed to make the show consistent overall, PS3 have succeeded (though not 100%) at making this season pretty darn consistent within itself. Frankly, I like it. If they have to change how things were in Seasons 1-7, then that's okay. I almost view S8 as a whole other show.

[Bre723]

I didn't like how they said that Davis was Sageth, but didn't the knife disappear when Lionel and Lex touched it?
So to me that makes no sense with what they said about Davis tonight.

[xrayvision]

I didn't like how they said that Davis was Sageth, but didn't the knife disappear when Lionel and Lex touched it?
So to me that makes no sense with what they said about Davis tonight.

I know. I didn't like it either. But check out my explanation. There is a saving grace to this, but whether or not we hear it verbally mentioned onscreen is another thing.

[Kschreck]

Tonight's episode felt like Brian Peterson & Kelly Souders were trying to write a quality episode like Al Gough and Miles Millar but fell completely short of matching their quality.

[Lexsghost]

Yeah. I noticed this & brought it up on the live discussion thread. Plus, he spoke English the day he landed (unlike Clark who didn't know English or any language).

Yeah what was that about.

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My favorite is season 2 with S3 trailing right behind. I loved S2 because:

-The caves were introduced
-Red-k was introduced
-Pete learned his secret
-Introduction of Swann (Rosetta was awesome)
-Introduction of Jor-El
-Introduction of Helen Bryce
-Introduction of Dr. Walden (one of my favorite villians)
-The beginning of Lionel's obsession with Clark in Duplicity & Red
-Introduction of Lucas
-Superjump in Insurgence (awesome episode)
-Fever & the events that took place
-Further development of Clark's ship & Dr. Hamilton
-The cave parasites
-Introduction of heatvision (best introduction of any of his powers)
-I loved Chloe back then (and in seasons 1, 3 & 4 too)

Season 3 was great because it followed up perfectly from S2.

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100% Backed !!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kschreck]

I miss the days of the older seasons. So much more everything!

[gmhashope]

Alright let me clear up a whole bunch on this episode. I think it was very well written, many people just need to watch it again and or in slow motion at times.

First controversy, Davis either didn't cut himself or healed quickly. Doomsday's powers vary as he can stab himself with a knife and have it break or be burned when his car blows up. Just like Davis can sometimes control the monster and other times can't and kills Chloe (therefore Chloe may not always be able to stop Davis and therefore by trying to save Clark by being around Davis may actually "betray" Clark even though she is trying to save him). Davis' finger has no cut so the "blood" could be that red juicy tomatoe or he healed quickly, which explains Davis' response "Quick reflexes" when Chloe asked how he did that.

Tess very well might have found this book after the Green Arrow's break in last week. Lex was very busy with other things in the end of last season after Lionel died than to go through an entire warehouse of his crap.

I love how Tess points out Lex and Lionel's blindness to second boy, when she herself is so blind to Doomsday being Clark's arch enemy and or Judas. Lex is and she is blinded by thinking he's dead as well as Mr. Teague was last season.

The phone call to Lionel about adopting Clark...I'm fairly sure Jonathon said so we called (cashed?) in our favor with the Luthors, but I'm going to look into that.

The ship was not there/visible when the men run after Davis. Davis is hiding behind branches when Jonathan, Martha, and Clark walk off. Then he comes out from behind it pauses, and then men coming running in with the ship not in sight.

I think the Veritas story line is very intriguing. I don't believe a billionare happened to be buying a cream crop farm and a meteor shower just happen to strike as we have all seen Lionel's cleverness and craftyness. For example, feigning blindness in Season 2 and seeing Clark use his abilities at least once. Smallville was just another farm town before the meteor shower so we would Lionel choose there. It makes sense now.

He knew the meteor shower so he put a mansion there. In this episode Lionel is never shown in the mansion holding true to Lex's statement, "my dad had no intention to live in and never stepped foot in it". After he couldn't find the traveler he left Smallville and probably just had Lex stay there while they ran tests on Davis.

In complaint about Lionel and Lex taking the helicopter...They were flying in to get the traveler and leave. Maybe they would have stayed in the mansion had Lionel found them or flown back to Metropolis hence the helicopter. And since they weren't living in the mansion they needed to fly out from Metropolis to Smallville.

Finally, as we see in the later seasons Lionel is not heartless. He has the men to find the traveler and figures they can handle finding a boy in a ship. Lionel wasn't planning for Lex to disappear and needs to find his son and is worried he is going to die. Lionel always cared about Lex in a psychotic type of way that pushed him to be ruthless.

I don't remember the St. George story really so I can't comment on any inaccuracies.

Regarding the lead box...I believe Lex's mom is dead by the time of the meteor shower or dying so she probably gave him the lead box and collected one of the interesting meteor rocks he found in the field.

Overall I think this episode was very interesting in tying the past 8 seasons together and setting the stage for Clark's battle with Doomsday and the resurgence of Lex in season 9?

EDIT: Ok, the St. George story was a huge mistake in tonight's episode. Lex was 12 when he got the box for the first time. But I still feel like there was a mistake and that in Season 1 Episode 2 he said his mom gave him the lead box, but I don't have Season 1 with me.

EDIT: And I checked, Martha in Season 2 Episode 7 says, "we called in the favor" not Jonathon so therefore tonight's episode saying Martha called Lionel is accurate.

[Lilah]

They dismissed most of earlier seasons in just 40 minutes. This whole episode was one giant plothole that should have never been written.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

I KNEW there would be at least one person saying some plot holes would be OKAY.

I had free time and decided to watch this before Supernatural, and I must say...this show NEEDS to end. Almost every other six episode, they add something new to the continuity, and just messes up every story and/or arc.

It's sad that the writers don't care and didn't care enough about this show to even REMEMBER things from past seasons.

Shame on you PS3 for becoming just like Al/Miles.

I had hope during the summer before "Odyssey", but quite frankly, it'll take a genius, I guess, to fix up this series.

And what makes it funny is that, after Smallville, an AMAZING show comes up called Supernatural, which really puts SV to shame...it makes me think that the CW should move Smallville, just so that there isn't that ODD feeling, lol.

And I laughed so much at the trailer for "Stiletto"....I'm glad I still have the first four seasons, so I can always go back to watch those when I ever want to see a good Smallville episode.

[xrayvision]

I love how Tess points out Lex and Lionel's blindness to second boy, when she herself is so blind to Doomsday being Clark's arch enemy and or Judas. Lex is and she is blinded by thinking he's dead as well as Mr. Teague was last season.

Well, I do think Tess & every other character is blind about Lex being alive. Because he certainly is. She is also blind to Doomsday being alive.


The phone call to Lionel about adopting Clark...I'm fairly sure Jonathon said so we called (cashed?) in our favor with the Luthors, but I'm going to look into that.

Lionel was sitting next to a naked Clark covered by a blanket in the car. So I would think if Lionel expected an alien to arrive & had his men chase Davis, he would have had Clark kidnapped from the Kents long ago. Lionel's favor was about Clark's adoption. This would be another red flag to Lionel that Clark is an alien. He saw the very kid he set the adoption to and how his circumstances were similar to Davis', who his men supposedly followed in the retcon.


The ship was not there/visible when the men run after Davis. Davis is hiding behind branches when Jonathan, Martha, and Clark walk off. Then he comes out from behind it pauses, and then men coming running in with the ship not in sight.

It seemed to me the men ran up the hill of the crater created by the ship. I may be wrong. But if his men were in the area, why not have a team set up to steal the ship?


I think the Veritas story line is very intriguing. I don't believe a billionare happened to be buying a cream crop farm and a meteor shower just happen to strike as we have all seen Lionel's cleverness and craftyness. For example, feigning blindness in Season 2 and seeing Clark use his abilities at least once. Smallville was just another farm town before the meteor shower so we would Lionel choose there. It makes sense now.

I disagree. Lionel was never shown to be curious of Clark until Duplicity. Lionel was blind at the time & was told by Dr. Hamilton about a ship he found. He took Lionel to his barn & Lionel felt the octagonal depression where the key went. In the next episode, Red, Lionel heard gunshots and later found the bullets on the floor. They weren't lodged in any wood or other material. He knew that Clark was right next to him when the gun was fired & this episode is when his Clark obsession started. And Lionel did not feign his blindness. He was actually blind for a while. He only feigned it much later, not long before Lucas showed up. In Skinwalker he was all alone & about to be attacked by Kyla in her wolf form. He wouldn't have feigned it then. Just like the pool ball Lucas threw at him made him expose his lie, so would a wolf if he was really blind then. Lionel back in Jitters knew Clark was involved in the miracle that subdued Earl Jenkins & stopped the plant from exploding. Yet he didn't question it. This is why I hate Veritas. It overlooks all these things. How can Lionel know when Clark would land when Dr. Swann, who had all the info, didn't know? It makes no sense.


He knew the meteor shower so he put a mansion there. In this episode Lionel is never shown in the mansion holding true to Lex's statement, "my dad had no intention to live in and never stepped foot in it". After he couldn't find the traveler he left Smallville and probably just had Lex stay there while they ran tests on Davis.

The mansion hadn't been moved to Smallville until not long before the Pilot. This is what was revealed. Back in 1989, it was still in Scotland. Every other episode with flashbacks shows the Luthors living in another building.


In complaint about Lionel and Lex taking the helicopter...They were flying in to get the traveler and leave. Maybe they would have stayed in the mansion had Lionel found them or flown back to Metropolis hence the helicopter. And since they weren't living in the mansion they needed to fly out from Metropolis to Smallville.

The mansion was in Scotland. The writers last season took a chance encounter that turned out to change Lex's life and turned it into something it was never meant to be. Events in seasons 1 & 2 as I explained above already prove that Lionel had no suspicions of Clark.


Finally, as we see in the later seasons Lionel is not heartless. He has the men to find the traveler and figures they can handle finding a boy in a ship. Lionel wasn't planning for Lex to disappear and needs to find his son and is worried he is going to die. Lionel always cared about Lex in a psychotic type of way that pushed him to be ruthless.

Again, see above events from S1 & S2 that contradict the very premise of Veritas.


I don't remember the St. George story really so I can't comment on any inaccuracies.

I remember it. Lex got it as a gift from his mother on his 11th or 12th birthday (the one before Julian was born). Lillian or Lionel got it for him. He didn't know it was connected to St. George until Lionel told him at the birthday party (seen in Memoria). And that wasn't until another 2-3 years after the meteor shower.


Regarding the lead box...I believe Lex's mom is dead by the time of the meteor shower or dying so she probably gave him the lead box and collected one of the interesting meteor rocks he found in the field.

No, she died in 1993, as her tombstone in Crush shows. Seriously, he didn't have the box until his 11th or 12th birthday. It's in Memoria.


Overall I think this episode was very interesting in tying the past 8 seasons together and setting the stage for Clark's battle with Doomsday and the resurgence of Lex in season 9?

I agree it was interesting, but the retcons/plotholes took a lot of what would have been my enjoyment away. It's too bad they couldn't give Davis an origin free of Clark's arrival.

[The Dark Knight74]

I don't know if this has been pointed but that scene where Lionel finds Lex in the filed was wrong. In Lineage(I think), Lionel flags down the Kents and he and Jonathan find Lex. In Eternal, Lionel is by himself. Why not just use the footage from Lineage instead of reshooting it?

[Kschreck]

^ Probably because the writers barely even knew much about the story that they were working on. They should have went back and done their homework before crafting an entire episode around past events.

[Rocky]

Hey this episode made no sense.. if the ps3 is this lame season 9 will be lame as well... if they can't back track stories from recent previous stuff.. surely season 9 is to be doomed

[Kschreck]

What's funny (or sad) is that Brian Peterson & Kelly Souders who wrote tonight's episode will be replacing the two producers who are leaving to work on Melrose, as the top producers for Smallville season nine.

[The Dark Knight74]

That would have helped. I had high hopes for this ep but I was disappointed in all the retconning.

[Kschreck]

I had high hopes for this episode when they first announced it. Then when the clips came out, most of my hopes disappeared.

After tonight's episodes I have relocated Brian Peterson & Kelly Souders at the bottom of my "quality writers" list.

[BloodSlayer]

I KNEW there would be at least one person saying some plot holes would be OKAY.

I had free time and decided to watch this before Supernatural, and I must say...this show NEEDS to end. Almost every other six episode, they add something new to the continuity, and just messes up every story and/or arc.

It's sad that the writers don't care and didn't care enough about this show to even REMEMBER things from past seasons.

Shame on you PS3 for becoming just like Al/Miles.

I had hope during the summer before "Odyssey", but quite frankly, it'll take a genius, I guess, to fix up this series.

And what makes it funny is that, after Smallville, an AMAZING show comes up called Supernatural, which really puts SV to shame...it makes me think that the CW should move Smallville, just so that there isn't that ODD feeling, lol.

And I laughed so much at the trailer for "Stiletto"....I'm glad I still have the first four seasons, so I can always go back to watch those when I ever want to see a good Smallville episode.
LMFAO. MOD EDIT

PS: Supernatural REALLY sucks! I watched an episode this season and, OMFG, definatly not watching again!

[ZeoVGM]

Fantastic episode.

I swear, it's nitpick*****nitpick*****.

A few plotholes, sure, but whatever. Great episode.

[Kschreck]

Both Supernatural and Smallville are amazing shows. These are the only shows I pretty much even watch on tv anymore. :D

[Exedore]

There are no plotholes in this episode. This episode IS a giant plothole itself. :mad:

[Kschreck]

The same writers are doing the season finale, I hope that turns out better for their sake. Beyond that these guys will be the main producers for season nine so we will be getting a whole lot more of what they write/produce. I am hoping that they can do better the next time.

[Vergon6]

mod edit

[jaksfreak91]

Don't you think all this mess could be related to Apocalypse's events?

When Clark traveled to the past to save Kara from Brainiac he put himself in the spacecraft to arrive Earth, but somehow maybe Brainiac attached some molecular thing in Kal-el's spacecraft that is actually Doomsday.
Call me crazy, but when Kara is about to throw a rock in Brainiac's face, he made a weird laugh, probably because his plan worked perflectly. So my theory is that when all of this happened, the future (I mean the actual timeline) changed and the writers were able to justify all these plotholes and inconsistencies.

I hope someone agree or just accept my theory :)

[Timester]

Don't you think all this mess could be related to Apocalypse's events?

When Clark traveled to the past to save Kara from Brainiac he put himself in the spacecraft to arrive Earth, but somehow maybe Brainiac attached some molecular thing in Kal-el's spacecraft that is actually Doomsday.
Call me crazy, but when Kara is about to throw a rock in Brainiac's face, he made a weird laugh, probably because his plan worked perflectly. So my theory is that when all of this happened, the future (I mean the actual timeline) changed and the writers were able to justify all this plotholes and inconsistencies.

I hope someone agree or even just accept my theory :)

The Kawatche prophecy is 500 years old. There is no time line change that can affect that, unless the events of season 1 to 3 were all changed and we don't know (which is even worst).

[xrayvision]

^^That's their official explanation as I mentioned in some of my posts (Chloeiac told Clark this in Legion & the Smallville trailers have captions mentioning stuff like "The past is no more" "The Present is changing", etc). I take it for whatever garbage it is, but even with that there are things that contradict previous mythos facts that should not have changed regardless of Davis' creation as a result of the timeline shift due to Apocalypse.

The Luthor mansion being in Smallville was one of them. It was not moved to Smallville until shortly before Lex was placed in charge of the Smallville Luthorcorp plant. Lex did not get that lead box from St. George's armor until his 12th birthday. And nobody still buys the Veritas garbage they fed us last year with Lionel knowing the Traveler's arrival date. Many of us hoped it would permanently remain as part of the horrible plothole infested storyline of season 7, never to resurface agaiin. I personally hoped the only thing seen in season 8 was the orb (one of the things I was glad to see), with the rest never being mentioned again. But alas, they brought it up again.

[workshyslacker]

Tess' dialogue with Davis.

"I was trying to kill you... you're safe with me." The others make my head hurt, so I'll stop thinking about them.

[Timester]

And nobody still buys the Veritas garbage they fed us last year with Lionel knowing the Traveler's arrival date.

Actually, I have no problems at all with Veritas, because not only it was planned since season 3 and it didn't retconned important things.

[rondojo]

This is what happens when you retcon a retcon.

[Niike]

-Lex didn't know the St. George (about the box) story until that b-day party of his
I don't think lex could remember his childhood?
-Tess was able to get Lionel's Veritas journal yet Lex has never been able to.
She stole it :D
-Why was there kryptonite in the st george box and why was it on lionels desk when it was the gift for lex from where ever lionel got it. Did he re-gift it to lex? haha
I'm guessing Lional kept it because it was from the metor shower?
-How would he even know about kryptonite that early in the Smallville storyline.
He probably never knew its effects yet?
-There was plenty of weird stuff, but the most glaring plothole for me would be the whole "Oliver's taking care of it" bit, and then Davis shows up, completely fine in Chloe's basement. Yeah, but wha -- ?!
When I watched that part I just kept thinking Davis replicated himself because that body was damaged enough...Although this could be explained in a later episode?
-I have to rewatch the episode but was it Tess that made the comment that Davis and Clark didn't get along for a reason? If so (unless i'm wrong) ... how would she know that?
She has sources...
-Also.. So Lional knew clark was the travel all along? they have always had him suspecting it but not knowing. Also wasnt it Johnathan not Martha that called in the favor?
Probably, but I don't think Johnathan was a pretty big fan of lional back then?
-Did Clark say he had nightmares as a child of his ship landing in the cornfield and noone come to find him? He must have been 15 or 16 when he found out he came from another planet.
He probably did have dreams like those, but just assumed it was JUST a dream?

But I'm pretty sure as season 8 is finishing off more of those questions will be resolved and answered. =P

[luthorian]

:lol: This thread is hilarious especially the "security team" stuff...but...



-Why did Davis get cut by the knife when in previous episodes he couldn't be harmed by knives?


When did Davis get a cut?

[Sarevokcz]

:lol: This thread is hilarious especially the "security team" stuff...but...



When did Davis get a cut?

in the beggining in Talon.

anyway, i suppose being stabbed by metal rod and being cut with knife are 2 different things :)

[workshyslacker]

in the beggining in Talon.

anyway, i suppose being stabbed by metal rod and being cut with knife are 2 different things :)

Maybe the hospital bed handles were aluminium and the knife was steel. Hence different metals/alloys, different vulnerabilities. :D

[LilWayne]

when they look back to season 1 it's not the same lex on the field.
The Luthor Mansion was build in 2001 in Smallville and then Lex moved in, but when Davis looks back Lex and Davis are playing as kids in the mansion. The Mansion was not there before 2001.

[MrZeppo]

There is a thread about all of these already...

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123992

[roccanater]

Maybe the hospital bed handles were aluminium and the knife was steel. Hence different metals/alloys, different vulnerabilities. :D

Good point. I try not to find too much fault in Smallville episodes but I actually was confused by him getting cut. :) Different alloys it may be.

[mjs1973]

Here is my take on your questions, bolded.


-Chloe is able to stop Doomsday almost any time she wants but that wasn't the case in the original timeline arc for "Infamous"
I found this out of place too.
-Lex didn't know the St. George (about the box) story until that b-day party of his
Lex could have heard about it before the party. He did have a tendency to hide in closets and such to listen in on his dad.
-Tess was able to get Lionel's Veritas journal yet Lex has never been able to.
She did mention that she stole because she was being honest with Davis.
-Another one is why did the knife in Talisman disappear when Lex touched it if he wasn't Clark's greatest enemy?
Actually we don't know exactly who touched it because it disappeared when they both touched it. As for Tess thinking Davis is Sageth, she is viewing it from her eyes not the Luthor's.
-Why was there kryptonite in the st george box and why was it on lionels desk when it was the gift for lex from where ever lionel got it. Did he re-gift it to lex? haha
I can't see it being a treasure that Lionel would want to hold on to. He was disgusted at what had happened to Lex so keeping the rock would just be a reminder. Maybe he liked it and placed it in the box not knowing how powerful it actually was.
-How would he even know about kryptonite that early in the Smallville storyline.
Again, I don't think he knew exactly what the rock was.
-It sure did look like Lionel Luthor lived there even though Clark said that Lionel never lived in the castle and had no intention to.
Lionel had his stuff in there but I don't think he lived there. He probably lived in Metropolis and probably used it as a "Safe House" just in case he needed to place important things there. This is a good question, though.
-Why did Davis get cut by the knife when in previous episodes he couldn't be harmed by knives?
Different type of knives? :lol: Another good question.
-There was plenty of weird stuff, but the most glaring plothole for me would be the whole "Oliver's taking care of it" bit, and then Davis shows up, completely fine in Chloe's basement. Yeah, but wha -- ?!
Oliver could have taken care of it but when he left Davis could have escaped. It took him awhile to heal from the explosion from the truck.
-You gotta laugh how Lionel's people tracked down Davis right past the spaceship and left it there for somebody else to retrieve
They could have been more concerned about the Traveller and since they caught him they probably went back and noticed the ship was gone. The writers would probably find a way to fix that hole.
-Lionels men didn't even notice the big egg Doomsday hatched from and ignored that he spoke perfect English.
Did he know perfect english? He only said "no" so it's safe to say that he was in the process of learning the english. You can ask the same about when Jor-El was sent to Earth for his punishment. You could make the assumption that, since he was connected to the ship, he learned Earth's language from there. Sucking out the info maybe?
-I have to rewatch the episode but was it Tess that made the comment that Davis and Clark didn't get along for a reason? If so (unless i'm wrong) ... how would she know that?
Yes she did say that and she wouldn't know. She is going by the Neman/Segeth story but through her eyes not the Luthor's. She may not even know about that knife.
-All sorts of biblical errors and misinterpretations from the new Testament.
Couldn't answer because I don't know the bible that well.
-Also.. So Lional knew clark was the travel all along?
I think it was a hunch.
they have always had him suspecting it but not knowing. Also wasnt it Johnathan not Martha that called in the favor?
Yes Jonathan did call Lionel but they never did state who made first contact. I'd have to watch the series again. Martha could have called first because Jonathan didn't like the Luthor's and decided to deal with Lionel face to face instead of on the phone.
-Somehow the Orb magically survived Jor-El's destruction of the fortress and magically found it's way back to Tess Mercer who has never even seen the Orb in person before.
You could say the same about the fortress crystal. Before Clark rebuilt the Fortress, Tess could have gone back off screen and did more digging and found it. Next question you could ask is, if that was the case, why didn't Clark find it when he was looking for the crystal after finding out Tess had it?
-Did Clark say he had nightmares as a child of his ship landing in the cornfield and noone come to find him? He must have been 15 or 16 when he found out he came from another planet.
True he was 15/16 but that doesn't mean that he didn't have those dreams as a child. His parents probably told him not to dwell on them too much.

[SSJConan]

when they look back to season 1 it's not the same lex on the field.
The Luthor Mansion was build in 2001 in Smallville and then Lex moved in, but when Davis looks back Lex and Davis are playing as kids in the mansion. The Mansion was not there before 2001.

It is never said in the series that the mansion was brought over to Smallville in 2001, all we're given is that Clark remembers "the time the trucks rolled through town for weeks". It's implied in "Onyx" this was done while Lex was still growing up, as he apparently went into the house long enough to get trapped in the basement (while also meeting and sword-playing with Davis?) as Lionel was outside (never quite stepping through the front door) handling business. The time frame given for when Lex and Davis meet in this flashback is pretty much the only thing that's screwed up, I mean 5 days after the meteor shower? Lex would be recovering in Metropolis General, the mansion wouldn't have been brought over just yet, Lex didn't get his "St. George" lead box until he turned 12, and Davis shouldn't have even known how to talk so fluently and extensively.

It could be argued that this was a written fabrication on Lionel's part for some odd reason, as Tess was going purely off some diary he wrote for the Veritas group, so the flashbacks would've been some time after Lex's 12th birthday (& probably before Julian was born), just after the mansion would've been brought to Smallville, and thus Davis would've been secretly in Lionel's captivity for at least 3 years. This episode, at the least, does sorta clarify that the warning Lionel was so desperate about giving Clark in last season's "Veritas" was in fact about Davis/Doomsday, as he could've just moved to Metropolis and Lionel knew the great danger was among them, but the Veritas secret and Lex himself stopped him before he could say anything. In any case, rack up the plot-holes in this episode as equivalent to Kara's time in the Phantom Zone, another convoluted matter that's open to our own interprutations.

As for Lex being played by the different child actor in the brief recreation of his cornfield scene, that didn't really bother me at all, as it was trying to keep a consistency with the later flashbacks of the episode. The fact we actually got to see Jonathan, Martha, and Lionel in such detail once again, even if it was all archive footage, was more cool than I thought it'd be. Weird?

[Iluvgreen]

Chloe said that she thought she loved Davis, after how long did her husband leave? I agree with Clark. She's moving on way too fast!

[thehenry89]

Maybe this has been mentioned before, but why the heck did clark pound on the glass instead of breaking it. The Kryptonite wasn't even present yet it was still in the storage vat thingy.

[luthorian]

in the beggining in Talon.

anyway, i suppose being stabbed by metal rod and being cut with knife are 2 different things :)

:confused: Davis wasn't cut in that scene.

[Cloisfan22]

:confused: Davis wasn't cut in that scene.

i think he was but pretty much healed straight away

[ChronX4]

Why did Davis bleed when the knife cut his hand when he already survived that back in "Bloodline"? He took a knife and stabbed his chest in that episode and the knife shattered and now a knife can cut his hand? Give me a break. That's a really bad mistake.

Maybe Davis' immunity is only applied to the one spot were he was hit?

[SV'S_immortal_hero]

Maybe Davis' immunity is only applied to the one spot were he was hit?

i said this a while ago but it was dismissed, faora stabbed davis in the heart so his skin around the chest and chest bone became immune to cut/stab wounds but it wouldnt stop other areas of his body being cut or stabbed, im glad i was right :D

[gmhashope]

Lionel was sitting next to a naked Clark covered by a blanket in the car. So I would think if Lionel expected an alien to arrive & had his men chase Davis, he would have had Clark kidnapped from the Kents long ago. Lionel's favor was about Clark's adoption. This would be another red flag to Lionel that Clark is an alien. He saw the very kid he set the adoption to and how his circumstances were similar to Davis', who his men supposedly followed in the retcon.
Lionel's men's job were to look for the alien. There were no cell phones back in 1989. Lionel went to look for his son and assumed his men would find the alien. Lionel didn't know the Kents. The Kents found Lionel on a road on their way back home away from the spaceship. Therefore, it only makes sense that a kid wrapped in a blanket was simply the Kent's kid.



It seemed to me the men ran up the hill of the crater created by the ship. I may be wrong. But if his men were in the area, why not have a team set up to steal the ship?
Because the ship was long gone. The Kent's had it on the truck.




I disagree. Lionel was never shown to be curious of Clark until Duplicity. Lionel was blind at the time & was told by Dr. Hamilton about a ship he found. He took Lionel to his barn & Lionel felt the octagonal depression where the key went. In the next episode, Red, Lionel heard gunshots and later found the bullets on the floor. They weren't lodged in any wood or other material. He knew that Clark was right next to him when the gun was fired & this episode is when his Clark obsession started. And Lionel did not feign his blindness. He was actually blind for a while. He only feigned it much later, not long before Lucas showed up. In Skinwalker he was all alone & about to be attacked by Kyla in her wolf form. He wouldn't have feigned it then. Just like the pool ball Lucas threw at him made him expose his lie, so would a wolf if he was really blind then. Lionel back in Jitters knew Clark was involved in the miracle that subdued Earl Jenkins & stopped the plant from exploding. Yet he didn't question it. This is why I hate Veritas. It overlooks all these things. How can Lionel know when Clark would land when Dr. Swann, who had all the info, didn't know? It makes no sense.

In Season 2 Episode 12 (Insurgence), Lionel has a vault with nothing to value of the people breaking into it. When the door to the vault opens it reveals refined green meteor rocks and files on people including Clark Kent. He definitely has been looking into Clark if he has a file on Clark only he can access. And I'm not saying Lionel was never blind but by Episode 15 he regains his eyesight. If you watch Lionel's reaction to whenever Clark saves Lionel during Episodes from 12-15 you might suspect like I do that he had his eyesight. Even Lionel says, "it's amazing what people try to get away with right in front you when they think you're blind". It makes sense he has a file on Clark, since he supsected him to be the traveler.


The mansion hadn't been moved to Smallville until not long before the Pilot. This is what was revealed. Back in 1989, it was still in Scotland. Every other episode with flashbacks shows the Luthors living in another building.
The mansion was probably moved over a series of years in parts. It is plausible to believe the main room of the mansion and a few others were in place in Smallville during the meteor shower. The only reference to when the mansion arrived is simply Clark remembering the trucks going through Smallville for days when he was young. So from say 1989 to 1991 the mansion might have been moved in pieces. The Luthors have many buildings and I believe most of the flashbacks have to do with Lionel and Lex in Metropolis as opposed to Smallville, which makes sense since Lex grew up in Metropolis.




The mansion was in Scotland. The writers last season took a chance encounter that turned out to change Lex's life and turned it into something it was never meant to be. Events in seasons 1 & 2 as I explained above already prove that Lionel had no suspicions of Clark.
Wrong, see above. There are numerous times prior to Season 2 Episode 15 where Lionel references just how special of a boy Clark is making Lex more suspicious and hate Lionel for trying to interfer in the Kents' lives. Even Jonathan in Episode 12 Season 2 thinks Martha should keep her job as Lionel's assistant to get closer to him and see how much he really knows about Clark since he had a file on him. Jonathan said it was time for the Kents to take a page out of the Luthor's book. The events of Veritas reinforce the first two seasons.



I remember it. Lex got it as a gift from his mother on his 11th or 12th birthday (the one before Julian was born). Lillian or Lionel got it for him. He didn't know it was connected to St. George until Lionel told him at the birthday party (seen in Memoria). And that wasn't until another 2-3 years after the meteor shower.
This is how I view this contradiction. The lead box in the mansion in last night's episode was never said to belong to Lex. It was Lionel's before it was Lex's. Children do not have the best of memories (sometimes like writers haha). A young boy like Lex might not remember being told the St. George story when he was that young after a tramatic event and think it was a new story at age 12. I know I was told many things numerous times as a kid and thought they were the first time untiil my parents or grandparents told me they had already told me that story when I was younger. The St. George story is very important to reinforce the idea of Davis/Doomsday wrongly being Clark's destined enemy in the cavewalls.

I believe there was a lead box with green K because I think Veritas knew that the traveler would be allergic to green K. He tests Davis and sees he's allergic to the rock and holds on to him for 5 days only to find out he's not the traveler and then abandons him. Hence why in Season 2 Episode 12 the focus of the vault is refined meteor rock and a file on Clark Kent.

But that's how I view this episode. I really don't think there are any plotholes, just a really deep tie in to earlier seasons.

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I don't know if this has been pointed but that scene where Lionel finds Lex in the filed was wrong. In Lineage(I think), Lionel flags down the Kents and he and Jonathan find Lex. In Eternal, Lionel is by himself. Why not just use the footage from Lineage instead of reshooting it?
No, originally Lionel finds Lex in the field with no hair and it freaks him out. He runs like a madman until he finds Jonathan and brings him to help his son. Check out the clip. Same footage in Pilot as in Eternal (minute 2ish) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoQo1bNnHtA

[Pink Hurricane]

i think he was but pretty much healed straight away

Yeah I think so too, considering there was blood on his finger but no cut. The plot holes and inconsistancies within this episode were glaring but if you overlooked them and just looked at the episode it was actually a pretty good in my opinion. Annoying though. They should really pay attention to these types of things.

[Cloisfan22]

Yeah I think so too, considering there was blood on his finger but no cut. The plot holes and inconsistancies within this episode were glaring but if you overlooked them and just looked at the episode it was actually a pretty good in my opinion. Annoying though. They should really pay attention to these types of things.

I completely agree if you don't take the retcons into account it was actually quite a good episode, a lot better then i thought it would be when i first heard about it.

[Call_Me_Ishmael]

MOD EDIT - just report the post and do not respond

[xrayvision]

Actually, I have no problems at all with Veritas, because not only it was planned since season 3 and it didn't retconned important things.

I don't agree because Veritas required that Lionel knew about the Traveler landing in Smallville before the meteor shower & there was no sign of this by watching episodes of the 1st three seasons.

[The Striving Artist®]

If they would just come out and say that Brainiac attached DD onto Clark's ship in "Apocalypse" and changed Smallville's continuity then I would find it acceptable or like I said earlier Faora attached DD onto the black ship in Season 4.Seriously it makes sense.Zod would rule earth,take over the fortress and have Brainiac corrupt earth technology while his disciples and Doomesday wiped out humanity.

[PJBoy]

Oh, come on, guys! Everyone's got different options. It's up to us to respect everyone's thoughts!

By the way, even though I wasn't a Veritas Arc fan, I thought "Eternal" was a very decent episode, and I haven't seen a nice "Smallville" season since season 5.

Call_Me_Ishmael, I think you should try to get into the season itself before you start pulling your thoughts around. I've never watched Supernatural but I'm pretty sure that it might be as good as Smallville is. :)

[noblue4u]

MOD EDIT
The reason that I'm okay with these plot holes and clumsy plot devices is that this sort of thing isn't new. If anything, it's the defining trait of the show. It has ALWAYS been like this. Back around the fourth season, I almost stopped watching altogether. But my problem then was that I was treating the show as if it were some grand artwork, a piece of television history meant to inspire and move us, despite the fact that Lana was becoming a magical, kung fu wielding, vampire astronomer. But it ISN'T. Truth be told, compared to most of what is on TV, Smallville is downright silly. But I love this show still because I've let go of all my hangups. It's badly written? YES. The acting isn't always the best? SURE. The writers don't understand what their fans want? NO KIDDING. But because I, personally, find the show a bunch of fun despite all this, I continue to watch and support it.

As I said earlier, I much prefer this version of the show's canon. In terms of story elements, I love this season more than any other. It's hard to judge the continuity of the entire season as it isn't finished yet, and obviously it isn't copacetic with the rest of the seasons. But I'm okay with that. Why? Because those seasons were guided, produced, and mostly written by the monsters responsible for one of the worst cinematic abortions in history, "The Scorpion King." I mean Al/Miles, of course. I can't imagine trying to undo the tremendous damage Al/Miles did to their own show. In "Odyssey," PS3 managed to remove four major problems I had had with Season 7 in one fell swoop. 1.) They got rid of Chloe's vastly unpopular healing ability. 2.) They rewrote the continuity so that the device didn't control Clark, but instead took away his powers (for the Nth time.) 3.) They took away MM's powers, keeping Clark from being overshadowed by yet another more powerful being with Kryptionian or Kryptionian-like abilities. And 4.) they brought back the Justice League. Not long after "Odyssey," they neutralized Kara for the same reason. PS3 is doing what is amongst the most common things in comic books: retconning. And if ever there was a show in desperate need of retconning, it's Smallville. Al/Miles never expected Smallville to get past four seasons, and it shows. They never thought that they'd have to explain Clark's transition into Superman. They never thought beyond a week to week basis, period.

And before I make my last point, let me say that I really like Supernatural. And yes, I consider it to be much better written than Smallville. But the use of all those names from Judeo-Christian mythology/theology is probably the most unoriginal aspect of the show. I was sitting here a couple of minutes ago trying to recall all of the shows, books, comics, movies, cartoons and video games that have included those names in similar contexts and I had to stop myself when I ran out of fingers and toes -- I'm not exaggerating. In fact, many of those media used them so well that they transcended their genres and became almost literary. So Supernatural, at least in my eyes, kind of loses points for the usage. Also, it has nothing to do with the quality of the writing, but story elements. In terms of character progression and dialogue, Supernatural gets an A+.

[josue_can]

I was ok with the episode and enjoyed it, but only because I know (IMO) this stuff didnt happen the first time around, it happen after Apocalypse, (again IMO). So things are out of whack because of that. Maybe the LOS will fix it in the season finaler.

[noblue4u]

I was ok with the episode and enjoyed it, but only because I know (IMO) this stuff didnt happen the first time around, it happen after Apocalypse, (again IMO). So things are out of whack because of that. Maybe the LOS will fix it in the season finaler.

By the way josue_can, I still have your Smallville-Superman costume saved on my desktop. It makes me smile every time I see it. :)

[josue_can]

By the way josue_can, I still have your Smallville-Superman costume saved on my desktop. It makes me smile every time I see it. :)

Awwww. Thanks. I've learned so much in using photoshop since that picture. Yet, I love that one. I'm working on another. It's Clark fighting DD. So I will post it the the DD episode spoiler thread when I'm done. It will be like a teaser.

[prodigykane]

Lionel's men's job were to look for the alien. There were no cell phones back in 1989. Lionel went to look for his son and assumed his men would find the alien. Lionel didn't know the Kents. The Kents found Lionel on a road on their way back home away from the spaceship. Therefore, it only makes sense that a kid wrapped in a blanket was simply the Kent's kid.

Actually there were cell phones back in 1989. (Were are you getting your info from?). Okay Lionel didn't know the Kents so sure he would think that Clark was their kid. But here goes the red flags.
1. The Kents were in the same car crash so why are they clothed and Clark is naked.
2. Clark was a few years old so if they need help with adoption they obviously JUST got him.



Because the ship was long gone. The Kent's had it on the truck.

Davis ran right behind a bunch of roots when he hear the Kents coming (The roots were in the same crater as the ship) They show the Kents look in the crater, talk for a while and just walk off. The space ship was right there and they just walk off. They originally picks the ship up. They just don't walk away from that crater. Shortly after the Kents leave Lionel's men come and catch Davis and starts to chase him (bypassing the ship the the clips didn't show the Kents picking up, only walking away with Clark.



In Season 2 Episode 12 (Insurgence), Lionel has a vault with nothing to value of the people breaking into it. When the door to the vault opens it reveals refined green meteor rocks and files on people including Clark Kent. He definitely has been looking into Clark if he has a file on Clark only he can access. And I'm not saying Lionel was never blind but by Episode 15 he regains his eyesight. If you watch Lionel's reaction to whenever Clark saves Lionel during Episodes from 12-15 you might suspect like I do that he had his eyesight. Even Lionel says, "it's amazing what people try to get away with right in front you when they think you're blind". It makes sense he has a file on Clark, since he supsected him to be the traveler.


He should have suspected Clark to be the traveler when he first met the Kents due to the fact they had a kid was naked, around three years old and had absolutely no papers of ever existing. That should have been the red flags then if he was supposedly searching for the Traveler. Obviously at that time he wasn't looking for a traveler because if he was he would have seen those red flags and not have helped the Kents adopt Clark. He would have just taken Clark for himself (The Kents didn't have any proof they had a kid so they wouldn't be able to do anything about it.) He wouldn't wait until 2002-03 to try to investigate Clark.


The mansion was probably moved over a series of years in parts. It is plausible to believe the main room of the mansion and a few others were in place in Smallville during the meteor shower. The only reference to when the mansion arrived is simply Clark remembering the trucks going through Smallville for days when he was young. So from say 1989 to 1991 the mansion might have been moved in pieces. The Luthors have many buildings and I believe most of the flashbacks have to do with Lionel and Lex in Metropolis as opposed to Smallville, which makes sense since Lex grew up in Metropolis.

The house was furnished when Lex and Davis were playing. When Lex moves into the house it is in the process of being furnished. Why would Lionel furnish a house that he just uses to run test. Then move everything out to later have it furnished again when he is ready to send Lex to Smallville.



Wrong, see above. There are numerous times prior to Season 2 Episode 15 where Lionel references just how special of a boy Clark is making Lex more suspicious and hate Lionel for trying to interfer in the Kents' lives. Even Jonathan in Episode 12 Season 2 thinks Martha should keep her job as Lionel's assistant to get closer to him and see how much he really knows about Clark since he had a file on him. Jonathan said it was time for the Kents to take a page out of the Luthor's book. The events of Veritas reinforce the first two seasons.

You make no sense, you contradict yourself more than the writers of the show. You just said that lex becomes more suspicious and hate lionel for trying to interfere in the Kent's lives. So that just shows that at that point there was no Veritas. You just said Lionel BEGINS to interfere with the Kent's lives. Last night's episode said Lionel knew the traveler was Clark so why did he wait until clark was 15 to start to interfere in his life. (Think about that)



This is how I view this contradiction. The lead box in the mansion in last night's episode was never said to belong to Lex. It was Lionel's before it was Lex's. Children do not have the best of memories (sometimes like writers haha). A young boy like Lex might not remember being told the St. George story when he was that young after a tramatic event and think it was a new story at age 12. I know I was told many things numerous times as a kid and thought they were the first time untiil my parents or grandparents told me they had already told me that story when I was younger. The St. George story is very important to reinforce the idea of Davis/Doomsday wrongly being Clark's destined enemy in the cavewalls.

You are just throwing ideas out there to try to plug in the hole the writers left in the episode. You are throwing out "might". We're talking facts here. Things that actually happened and how it goes against things that have previous happened.

[glasgowguy78]

When Clark is telling chloe he used to have a bad dream as a kid about nobody finding his ship........ He was 16/17 before he was even told he was an alien.

I know its only a small mistake but hate it when the writers mess up things like this.

[Hopefulsuicide]

Yep, that's another one to add to the pile of lines that made me go 'what the hell are they talking about!?'

[Tess is Smokin]

hahahha man that just weak writing... maybe he dreamt it but never really knew what it truly meant untill he knew he was an alien?

[green_arrow_girl358]

maybe he thought all normal humans fell from the sky in ships...

[Imzadia]

I agree. That IS a BIG mistake and not so 'small', IMO. Even though Clark had known that he'd been adopted, Jonathan told Clark about his "Otherworldly" origins and SHOWED HIM HIS SPACESHIP that he'd Arrived in for the 1st time during the Pilot episode. He was actually supposed to be about 14-15 years old. That's MAJOR! I could understand him having nightmares as a small child about no one ever adopting him or not being with his adoptive parents and being left unwanted, but involving the 'Spaceship' in his nightmare was a Major mistake, IMO, too.

[Davis Bloome]

Yeah I don't get it that they oversaw this... Just to make Clark feel more connected to Davis they added this story detail which creates a plot hole as he didn't know about the ship until he was 15.

[dokken-fan]

Maybee it was as simple as the fact that when he said "when I was a kid" he was refering to his younger years. Normally an older person will refer to their teen years in that way.

[Davis Bloome]

Since he's still in his early twenties I doubt he would call himself a kid to refer to his teenage years. He would more likely call himself just a 'teenager' not a 'kid'.

[Darth Pipes]

I'm sure this was mentioned but if Lionel knew that Clark was The Traveler all along, there's no way in hell he wouldn't have killed the Kents and taken Clark by force.

[smallvillefreak24]

It pisses me off everytime they mess with the pilot and flash backs because they contradict (recently not like s3 etc..) my most glaring plotholes were: lex and davis being the same age, davis only locked in a bedroom in schoolboy clothes and not in some lab, kents not noticing evil shell next to ship, davis knowing perfect english, the st. george box had kryptonite in it, the story of st. george, davis bleeding when being cut, (basically all flashbacks were completely wrong), lionel knowing clark was the travelor from day 1 etc..
you get the picture this had a lot of inconsistencies with the earlier seasons
basically every flash back
if they just discarded them it would have been fine
but alas
just like with the travelor storyline i try to let these things go and enjoy my smallville

[Poyntz]

I just rewatched the episode.
Why would chloe of changed tops in the middle of the episode. She had on an Orange top when she was in the Talon with Clark talking about the murders. She found the info about Davis's Truck. They went to the site and she was wearing a jacket so you couldnt see what top she was wearing. Then they went to the planet (not sure why the planet by the way) and her top was Purple. So basically when she found out the truck blew up she desided to change clothes to go and look into it with clark? LOL

[Big O]

Yeah...but he's Doomsday...he starts off illiterate, then comes back stronger in the English language...I'm sure by now he speaks fluent Mandarin Chinese


I laughed out loud after reading that! :)

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I just rewatched the episode.
Why would chloe of changed tops in the middle of the episode. She had on an Orange top when she was in the Talon with Clark talking about the murders. She found the info about Davis's Truck. They went to the site and she was wearing a jacket so you couldnt see what top she was wearing. Then they went to the planet (not sure why the planet by the way) and her top was Purple. So basically when she found out the truck blew up she desided to change clothes to go and look into it with clark? LOL


lol Maybe Chole changed her top...just in case..Davis was hiding under Lois' desk at the DP....after all...its a well known fact...that every girl..wants to look sexy...for her serial killing & creepy alien BF!

[Mackdaddy]

Might have already been said but Lionel was originally in SV to buy the Ross farm. Not to get the Traveler. Or atleast that's what they said back in season 2 or 3. That's why Pete hates the Luthors

[Jill]

Might have already been said but Lionel was originally in SV to buy the Ross farm. Not to get the Traveler. Or atleast that's what they said back in season 2 or 3. That's why Pete hates the Luthors

Word.

And what's up with this Chloe line >>> "He could have killed you, Clark. I won't risk the safety of the world because of your code of ethics...because you refuse to stop the things that threaten you."
She says that to Clark but at the end she locks herself in with Davis? :confused:
As much as I love Chlavis I still don't understand this...

[Poyntz]

She locks her self in the room with Davis tells her that he is imortal and cant die but she can stop him from turning into the beast. So if she can stop that it is keeping clark safe. which is exactly what she wants to do.

[ChronX4]

davis bleeding when being cut


Like I mentioned before Davis was stabbed in the chest, therefore only his chest was granted immunity.

[Poyntz]

Another thing i noticed.. Just as Davis was turning into Doomy when talking to clark in the cage. Chloe got really scared like he was going to kill Clark and yelled Clark.. and ran for the leaver. Clark knew what she was going to do and yelled "no chloe" but she was able to beat him to the leaver. Kind of neat that a regular human girl can beat a superspeeding alien to a lever huh?

[rch]

No, Doomsday does not have selective immunity. He's impervious to whatever impacted him before, and that would be everywhere on his body. Otherwise, Kryptonite would still affect him on that one spot under his leg/arm the liquid missed. He's the ultimate demon, not Achilles. Come on all you comic geeks, help me out here! I think the cut was info for newbies to the show, but it is a frustration.

[borednow]

I think the entire episode trying to retcon the past was one huge mistake

:lol: with you there.

[devilneedsaride]

Off the top of my head, here are the ones I noticed, in descending order of how much they cheese me off:

- Lionel has known that Clark is the Traveler all along? No WAY. Sorry, this one I will absolutely NOT buy. I can't even list all the things in the early seasons that make no sense if we accept this.

- Clark had nightmares involving his alien heritage as a kid, yet he didn't find out that he was an alien until he was 14. Uhh...

- The Doomsday/Sageeth retcon. While not technically a plothole, I'm gonna go ahead and list it for being one of the worst retcons I've seen. Way to completely undermine the emotional impact of the Lex/Clark foreshadowing in the early seasons. Good job, guys. /golfclap

- "I thought Jimmy was my best friend." Since when? Clark has consistently been the "best friend" since, oh, season 2? Jimmy has never been described as such. Furthermore, pretty much ALL the Jimmy-related tension has been about Boyfriend VS. Best Friend. This was either a glaring plothole or another one of those retcons that wildly undermines earlier themes.

- In order for the journal to contain all that juicy Doomsday information, Lionel would have had to find out about him before he died. There are numerous problems with this.
a) How did Lionel find out? If Jor-El had found out early enough for him to have plausibly told Lionel, then he should have warned Clark too. How would Veritas have otherwise come into this information?
b) Once Lionel did find out, why did he not seek out Davis? With his considerable resources I'm sure he would have been able to manage it, and I'm also sure that he would have found such a being interesting and potentially useful.
c) If Lionel found out after his supposed transformation to a semi-cool guy, he should also have warned Clark.

- Lionel didn't think it was odd that he sent out a limo with several Tough Guys to drop off a supposedly normal kid, and he got back an assumedly trashed limo that was also assumedly containing several similarly obliterated Tough Guys?

- Lex didn't get the metal box until his twelfth birthday party, I believe, nor did he know the story behind it. Seeing as Doomsday was only kept by Lionel for five days immediately following the meteor shower, and given that it is accepted show canon that Lex was 9 at that time, him having it at this point isn't possible.

- Doomsday as a child apparently transformed into a creature of a similar size to the creature he transforms into as an adult. I know this is a fantasy/sci-fi type show, but that just makes my itch under my skin, if you know what I mean.

- Doomsday's tests came up normal? Seriously? His "parents" had never seen a human being up close and yet managed to replicate human biology/DNA/etc perfectly? Hmm...

- Lionel ran right past Clark's spaceship and didn't go back to pick it up.

- Clark was walking around in all his Clarky glory in the RBB outfit. Come on, he can't possibly be that dense, cause I know he isn't that careless.

- Oliver took care of it! Apparently he is so bad at his job that he doesn't notice when the body goes missing.

- Doomsday can speak English right out of the egg.

-I will accept that Luthorcorp has a giant Kryptonian-killing room. I will not accept, however, that it has absolutely no security, and no way of keeping said Kryptonian docile before dumping some unknown amount of Kryptonite on him. Seriously, though. The Kryptonite was clearly well-contained in its little sprinkler system there, because it wasn't bothering Clark before it was released. If an unwilling Kryptonian had been in that death chamber, they would have just fwoomed right out of it. A suicide chamber? Unlikely, especially given that all the controls were on the outside.

I'll probably notice more and come back to add to this. >.>

[Kal el of krypton]

I must admit this episode was filled with plotholes, mistakes and inconsistencies. what a shame, they completely dismissed other episodes.

This episode really bugged me because of them. I usually enjoyed them all and can easily bypass them but this episode had too many contradictions.

[Big O]

[quote=devilneedsaride;4701161]

- Oliver took care of it! Apparently he is so bad at his job that he doesn't notice when the body goes missing.


lol Oliver was probably busy... flirting with some hot babe on the phone......and Davis just slipped on out of the body bag & sneeked away on his tippy toes.......which reminds me..never ask Oliver to look after my car or cat while Im away!

[Poyntz]

Ok. So when Olivers finds out that Davis is gone. .First person he will tell is Clark. Who will want to check up on chloe to make sure she's ok. When he goes to the talon appartment he will see her not there and look for her. Being that he has super hearing and xray vision he'll find them in the basement. Umm not a great hiding place if you ask me LOL

[Fridaythe13Jason]

When Clark is telling chloe he used to have a bad dream as a kid about nobody finding his ship........ He was 16/17 before he was even told he was an alien.

I know its only a small mistake but hate it when the writers mess up things like this.

I was going to bring this one up but obviously you beat me to it...

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No, Doomsday does not have selective immunity. He's impervious to whatever impacted him before, and that would be everywhere on his body. Otherwise, Kryptonite would still affect him on that one spot under his leg/arm the liquid missed. He's the ultimate demon, not Achilles. Come on all you comic geeks, help me out here! I think the cut was info for newbies to the show, but it is a frustration.

This is absolutely correct. Some people are grasping at straws here...

[PJBoy]

The producers have been doing a great job this season. I'm not gonna blame them just because of these plotholes.

[Fridaythe13Jason]

Is it at least possible Lex blocked out meeting Davis as a child (in the same way he did Julian's death)? I'm not sure I buy it, but I GUESS you could probably say that.

[ChronX4]

No, Doomsday does not have selective immunity. He's impervious to whatever impacted him before, and that would be everywhere on his body. Otherwise, Kryptonite would still affect him on that one spot under his leg/arm the liquid missed. He's the ultimate demon, not Achilles. Come on all you comic geeks, help me out here! I think the cut was info for newbies to the show, but it is a frustration.

Alright, well then Chloe has a Kryptonian metal knife kitchen set. :lol:

[Timester]

Alright, well then Chloe has a Kryptonian metal knife kitchen set. :lol:

He would keep coming back to live. What Davis said was correct, he is immortal, he always come back.

[gmhashope]

Actually there were cell phones back in 1989. (Were are you getting your info from?). Okay Lionel didn't know the Kents so sure he would think that Clark was their kid. But here goes the red flags.
1. The Kents were in the same car crash so why are they clothed and Clark is naked.
2. Clark was a few years old so if they need help with adoption they obviously JUST got him.
I'm sorry. The first commercial mobile phone was produced in 1983 in the United States so it's only logical that Lionel, all of his men, and the Kents had mobile phones in 1989. :rolleyes: Now I know why I waited so long to join this site.

Clark is wrapped in a blanket. The Kents don't raise Clark up over their head and show Clark and his nakedness to the Luthors. It just appears to be a kid wrapped in a blanket, which might be strange but not grounds to assume he's an alien.

Once again I said when Lionel saw Clark in the truck he didn't know the Kents just found him. Yes, he would obviously know when they asked Lionel for help adopting Clark that he was probably the traveler, but he couldn't just kidnap Clark. He kept a file on him watching him from afar until he started to grow up. BTW, stop twisting my words.


Davis ran right behind a bunch of roots when he hear the Kents coming (The roots were in the same crater as the ship) They show the Kents look in the crater, talk for a while and just walk off. The space ship was right there and they just walk off. They originally picks the ship up. They just don't walk away from that crater. Shortly after the Kents leave Lionel's men come and catch Davis and starts to chase him (bypassing the ship the the clips didn't show the Kents picking up, only walking away with Clark.
Yes, but between Davis hiding and then coming out the Kents get the ship. Hence, why the men walk by the crater there is no ship. I watched that scene in slow motion and the ship isn't there. There is no ship when the men go running by. The writers obviously realized they couldn't show the whole pilot in Eternal. Watch the show.


He should have suspected Clark to be the traveler when he first met the Kents due to the fact they had a kid was naked, around three years old and had absolutely no papers of ever existing. That should have been the red flags then if he was supposedly searching for the Traveler. Obviously at that time he wasn't looking for a traveler because if he was he would have seen those red flags and not have helped the Kents adopt Clark. He would have just taken Clark for himself (The Kents didn't have any proof they had a kid so they wouldn't be able to do anything about it.) He wouldn't wait until 2002-03 to try to investigate Clark.
Lionel couldn't just take Clark away after the Kents had him. I can think of 3 good reasons. 1. The Kents could fight it and Lionel has no grounds to just take him. 2. As a member of Veritas he knows the Traveler's ability. Clark likes the Kents right away, "we didn't find him, he found us". Lionel might have thought Clark would use his powers and go back to the Kents. 3. Clark was the perfect cover to get rid of Lucas. Lionel needed Clark to successfully hide his illegitimate son.



The house was furnished when Lex and Davis were playing. When Lex moves into the house it is in the process of being furnished. Why would Lionel furnish a house that he just uses to run test. Then move everything out to later have it furnished again when he is ready to send Lex to Smallville.
We only see the mansion as 2 rooms back in the retcon. If you pay close attention you notice the library is completely empty on the second floor. If Lionel is going to meet the Traveler in Smallville it makes perfect sense to have a few rooms slightly furnished, he has the money. Rich peoplel are fairly eccentric. Also, Lex is having the house furnished to his taste and Lucas when he moves in for a day has the library redone so don't tell me Lionel wouldn't put in a few pieces of furniture.


You make no sense, you contradict yourself more than the writers of the show. You just said that lex becomes more suspicious and hate lionel for trying to interfere in the Kent's lives. So that just shows that at that point there was no Veritas. You just said Lionel BEGINS to interfere with the Kent's lives. Last night's episode said Lionel knew the traveler was Clark so why did he wait until clark was 15 to start to interfere in his life. (Think about that)
Funny because I NEVER SAID BEGINS, "There are numerous times prior to Season 2 Episode 15 where Lionel references just how special of a boy Clark is making Lex more suspicious and hate Lionel for trying to interfer in the Kents' lives". And you say I make no sense:confused::rolleyes:. And you even prove your putting words in my mouth by the prior 2 sentences to your lie.

I did think about that and see the 3 reasons above to why Lionel waited until he was older to try and influence Clark.

It seems you hate this episode so you make up "facts" and deny any and all possible explanations for the events in the episode.

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Might have already been said but Lionel was originally in SV to buy the Ross farm. Not to get the Traveler. Or atleast that's what they said back in season 2 or 3. That's why Pete hates the Luthors
Lionel could have a dual purpose. Buy up the town to make money and get the traveler. Pete hates the Luthors because they ripped his family off, but it doesn't mean that he couldn't be there to get Clark too.

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When Clark is telling chloe he used to have a bad dream as a kid about nobody finding his ship........ He was 16/17 before he was even told he was an alien.

I know its only a small mistake but hate it when the writers mess up things like this.
The show started as Clark being a freshman in high school so around 14. 14 is still considered a kid. Many people when they're older look at seniors in high school as kids. 18 year olds might not think of themselves as kids, but people that are older might.

[marcella]

There a lot of mistakes. The one I noticed the most was the St George lead box, given to Lex when he did 12 years, not just after the meteor shower

[prodigykane]

Clark is wrapped in a blanket. The Kents don't raise Clark up over their head and show Clark and his nakedness to the Luthors. It just appears to be a kid wrapped in a blanket, which might be strange but not grounds to assume he's an alien.

Once again I said when Lionel saw Clark in the truck he didn't know the Kents just found him. Yes, he would obviously know when they asked Lionel for help adopting Clark that he was probably the traveler, but he couldn't just kidnap Clark. He kept a file on him watching him from afar until he started to grow up. BTW, stop twisting my words.
Why couldn't he just kidnap Clark and kill the Kents? He used to kill people just for looking at him the wrong way. lol ...but no really he used to kill people just for getting too close to his operations. So what makes the Kents any exception? If he was watching Clark from afar he would have been seen Clark using his powers while doing his chores.



Yes, but between Davis hiding and then coming out the Kents get the ship. Hence, why the men walk by the crater there is no ship. I watched that scene in slow motion and the ship isn't there. There is no ship when the men go running by. The writers obviously realized they couldn't show the whole pilot in Eternal. Watch the show.

They never show that the ship isn't there. As well as they never show the ship is there. But what they do show is Martha and Johnathan walking away from the crater holding Clark and not holding a ship.



Lionel couldn't just take Clark away after the Kents had him. I can think of 3 good reasons. 1. The Kents could fight it and Lionel has no grounds to just take him. 2. As a member of Veritas he knows the Traveler's ability. Clark likes the Kents right away, "we didn't find him, he found us". Lionel might have thought Clark would use his powers and go back to the Kents. 3. Clark was the perfect cover to get rid of Lucas. Lionel needed Clark to successfully hide his illegitimate son.
I Disagree...
1. He could have killed them the way he did so many others on the show. We all know he was a master in covering up murders.
2. Also as a member of "Veritas" he knows the "Traveler's" weakness. Clark's superpowers was no issue to Lionel when he got him kidnapped in the episode Traveler (Clark is even stronger as an adult). Just like he built the cage that time he could have had it built then.
3. How could Clark be a cover up for Lucas when Clark was only 15 and Lucas was 18 in season 2, meaning that he has clark by 3 years, making him 5 the day of the meteor shower?


He knew the meteor shower so he put a mansion there. In this episode Lionel is never shown in the mansion holding true to Lex's statement, "my dad had no intention to live in and never stepped foot in it". After he couldn't find the traveler he left Smallville and probably just had Lex stay there while they ran tests on Davis.

Lionel thought Davis was the traveler during the time Davis was being kept. So why would he leave smallville "after he couldn't find the Traveler and probably just had lex stay there while they ran test on Davis" if during the time Davis was captive Lionel thought he found the Traveler. Only to realize 5 days later he was not the Traveler and the only one left was a 2 year old kid who had no background history and founders needed help adopting (Clark).


We only see the mansion as 2 rooms back in the retcon. If you pay close attention you notice the library is completely empty on the second floor. If Lionel is going to meet the Traveler in Smallville it makes perfect sense to have a few rooms slightly furnished, he has the money. Rich peoplel are fairly eccentric. Also, Lex is having the house furnished to his taste and Lucas when he moves in for a day has the library redone so don't tell me Lionel wouldn't put in a few pieces of furniture.

Who furnishes a house while it in the process of being built (as you implied in earlier comments about the whole moving from Scotland). Anything could go wrong. I never heard of build-furnish, build-furnish....in most cases the house is complete then furnish. Maybe it's just me lol.



Funny because I NEVER SAID BEGINS, "There are numerous times prior to Season 2 Episode 15 where Lionel references just how special of a boy Clark is making Lex more suspicious and hate Lionel for trying to interfer in the Kents' lives". And you say I make no sense:confused::rolleyes:. And you even prove your putting words in my mouth by the prior 2 sentences to your lie.

I did think about that and see the 3 reasons above to why Lionel waited until he was older to try and influence Clark.

It seems you hate this episode so you make up "facts" and deny any and all possible explanations for the events in the episode.

I never said you said "begins" but Lionel didn't start to interfere with the Kent's lives until season 2. That was "the beginning" of the whole investigation era. I make up no facts, the writers do and the actors act them out on camera. So don't take my word for it, just watch season 2.

[rch]

Alright, well then Chloe has a Kryptonian metal knife kitchen set. :lol:


Thanks for making this fun. I prefer the Kryptonian metal theory to a blood vs. tomato debate. Or...maybe Chloe scored a piece of Persuader's ax?

[Welling_is_pretty]

- "I thought Jimmy was my best friend." Since when? Clark has consistently been the "best friend" since, oh, season 2? Jimmy has never been described as such. Furthermore, pretty much ALL the Jimmy-related tension has been about Boyfriend VS. Best Friend. This was either a glaring plothole or another one of those retcons that wildly undermines earlier themes.
That line bothered me too. Since when is Jimmy her best friend? He's her husband and they are friends but as you say, Clark has always been "best friend" to Chloe Sullivan. Gah.


- Oliver took care of it
yeah, as soon as Clark said that Ollie was taking care of it I was all "well, obviously he's going to muck it up cause Doomy will be back, baby!" I was waiting but I didn't think it would be that soon! Um, Watchtower, perhaps you should have a talk with GA there?

[DJ Doena]

If I remember the pilot correctly the entire field was flattened where Lionel found Lex under flattened corn.

Why was there corn still standing where Davis could hide?

[itashy]

I am borrowing this from the "Eternal" forums because I thought it would be good to discuss here in the spoiler section of the forums.

"Eternal" was as many of us feared, plagued with giant mistakes, plotholes and inconsisitencies that practically destroy anything we knew from past Smallville episodes. I will list a few already discovered by various forum members:


-Chloe is able to stop Doomsday almost any time she wants but that wasn't the case in the original timeline arc for "Infamous"
new timeline.clark changed that back in infamous

-Lex didn't know the St. George (about the box) story until that b-day party of his

true i ll give ya that one
-Tess was able to get Lionel's Veritas journal yet Lex has never been able to.

um well lex probably has so much hidden stuff or too busy to look through it all...but i doubt lionel even told lex about it.lionel hated lex by the way
-Another one is why did the knife in Talisman disappear when Lex touched it if he wasn't Clark's greatest enemy?

lex isnt dead...not to mention lex has no superpowers...no i dont count white blood cells...and he is one of the few to stand toe to toe with superman...not some mindless brute...i still be lex is his greatest enemy
-Why was there kryptonite in the st george box and why was it on lionels desk when it was the gift for lex from where ever lionel got it. Did he re-gift it to lex? haha

hmm so you wouldnt keep a piece of glowing green rock? plus i m sure lionel knew the meteor shower was coming that day...he did know the exact place to find davis btw...maybe he went to that site and excavated everything...but the ship which johnathon had already gotten
-How would he even know about kryptonite that early in the Smallville storyline.
clarks arrival wasnt the beggining of the smallville storyline...thats why there called flashbacks
-It sure did look like Lionel Luthor lived there even though Clark said that Lionel never lived in the castle and had no intention to.
um what does this have to do with anything?
-Why did Davis get cut by the knife when in previous episodes he couldn't be harmed by knives?
look closer...he was cutting a tomato.in other words he didnt cut himself...unless chloe has kryptonite hidden somewhere in the room
-There was plenty of weird stuff, but the most glaring plothole for me would be the whole "Oliver's taking care of it" bit, and then Davis shows up, completely fine in Chloe's basement. Yeah, but wha -- ?!
-You gotta laugh how Lionel's people tracked down Davis right past the spaceship and left it there for somebody else to retrieve

looked like only two guys and i doubt lionel could give a dxmn about the ship when he had the traveler
-Lionels men didn't even notice the big egg Doomsday hatched from and ignored that he spoke perfect English.

possible but we dont know what happen to the egg...maybe it cracked down into nothingness,maybe johnathon got it thinking it was related to clark
-I have to rewatch the episode but was it Tess that made the comment that Davis and Clark didn't get along for a reason? If so (unless i'm wrong) ... how would she know that?

yes she said it...but what doesnt tess know? but i d have to guess it was tess s delusions..."i know your the traveler and i know davis came from the egg thanks to the book so think about it clark,thats why you dont get together" tess "knows" clark is the traveler and she knows davis is the destroyer,,,shes basing it off their destiny not their socialibility
-All sorts of biblical errors and misinterpretations from the new Testament.
wouldnt know,i dont follow it that close
-Also.. So Lional knew clark was the travel all along? they have always had him suspecting it but not knowing. Also wasnt it Johnathan not Martha that called in the favor?

knowing lionel...he probably knew johnathon would ask for help...or perhaps nots johnathon but whoever had the traveler...and once he did,a mysterious boy who had no past,as chances are johnathon had to tell lionel this for the deal to go through...and then lionel just played along to get leverage and not a restraining order
-Somehow the Orb magically survived Jor-El's destruction of the fortress and magically found it's way back to Tess Mercer who has never even seen the Orb in person before.
i d have to go with,started to sink...froze in the ice...tess dug it up in the excavation and decided to keep this,,,as it was obviously tied to the person who was with lex last
-Did Clark say he had nightmares as a child of his ship landing in the cornfield and noone come to find him? He must have been 15 or 16 when he found out he came from another planet.
i have nightmares about killing nazi zombies in berlin that doesnt mean that i believe them when i woke up...dreams are combined thoughts from the subconcious


I am usually pretty forgiving about errors but man were there a lot in this episode. It's kind of hard to ignore these glaring plotholes. This episode would have been ok if it didn't have these plotholes but because of them, I can't say that I really enjoyed this episode. I also don't like the whole Chloe/Jimmy situation. Jimmy sending her all sorts of swear words and stuff and then Chloe already over Jimmy, BFF'ing Doomsday. Even after finding out he is Doomsday to apparently "protect Clark". I don't know, this episode was horrible when it comes to writing. In my opinion!


EDIT: It looks like Brian Peterson & Kelly Souders wrote this episode... :lol:

but all in all good summary and good on catching the small stuff but MOST can be explained

[Lea]

-Why did Davis get cut by the knife when in previous episodes he couldn't be harmed by knives?


He didn't cut himself. That red thing on his finger was tomato juice (well, it looked more like tomato sauce, but anyway, I think we're supposed to believe it was tomato juice). He was slicing a tomato a moment before.
That, or the fake-blood budget was just cut, because that looked really a lot like tomato sauce. :D

[e-µ-i]

Is it just me, or is there another giant (? mistake ?) in this episode.

In the beginning, Tess finds out there were two boys who arrived on our planet. HOW ?!
It took Lex 7 years to find out about Clark, and now Tess reads some book and discovers something that the writer himself (Lionel) didn't realize ?! How stupid is that ?!
Also, when little Davis fades to create an image in the diary, Tess poops her eyes out and suddenly discovers what I already mentioned. Again. HOW ?!
The image was obviously drawn by Lionel and he was drawing a Traveller, not two of them...
Plus, why Tess investigated Davis' past ? He never argued with Clark before, or at least there was no real proof. The only connection between Davis and the beast/mass murderer are the blackouts, and those aren't the reason Tess started investigating, since she couldn't know that. Again. Major plot hole - Tess is smarter then any other character. As much as I like her - it's wrong.

[xrayvision]

^^Good point.

[Night_Hawk90]

Is it just me, or is there another giant (? mistake ?) in this episode.

In the beginning, Tess finds out there were two boys who arrived on our planet. HOW ?!
It took Lex 7 years to find out about Clark, and now Tess reads some book and discovers something that the writer himself (Lionel) didn't realize ?! How stupid is that ?!
Also, when little Davis fades to create an image in the diary, Tess poops her eyes out and suddenly discovers what I already mentioned. Again. HOW ?!
The image was obviously drawn by Lionel and he was drawing a Traveller, not two of them...
Plus, why Tess investigated Davis' past ? He never argued with Clark before, or at least there was no real proof. The only connection between Davis and the beast/mass murderer are the blackouts, and those aren't the reason Tess started investigating, since she couldn't know that. Again. Major plot hole - Tess is smarter then any other character. As much as I like her - it's wrong.

maybe tess is investigating davis because she saw jimmy's pictures of davis' victim in offscreenville, just putting it out there,

[Hopefulsuicide]

The producers have been doing a great job this season. I'm not gonna blame them just because of these plotholes.

This is exactly what bugs me about episodes like this...

The writers are getting lazy... they are not dotting their eyes or crossing their 'T's because they have found that they can do things in a half arsed manor and people will stay think it's cool...

Well i'm sorry, but that many mistakes is NOT cool. If i wrote an essay that kept contradicting itself, i'd get an F. If you tryed to get a novel published where you change your mind about the characters backstory right near the end, they'd laugh at you.

So why can writers of a well established television show with 8 year long fans, who are probably being paid rather a lot of money, get away with such a blatant lack of fact checking and intelligent writing.

I mean why did they have the lead armour box there at all? They did it cause they thought it would be cool to act like they care about stuff from earlier seasons... but they obviously don't because they didn't bother to check that it actually made sense for the box to be there... which it didn't... and any old lead box would have done just fine, and made perfect sense.

It's just sloppy, and i hate sloppiness.

I want to be able to get past all the faults and enjoy the story line... but i CANT! I can't even bring myself to watch the episode again... It just infuriated me so much. :(

[e-µ-i]

This is exactly what bugs me about episodes like this...

The writers are getting lazy... they are not dotting their eyes or crossing their 'T's because they have found that they can do things in a half arsed manor and people will stay think it's cool...

Well i'm sorry, but that many mistakes is NOT cool. If i wrote an essay that kept contradicting itself, i'd get an F. If you tryed to get a novel published where you change your mind about the characters backstory right near the end, they'd laugh at you.

So why can writers of a well established television show with 8 year long fans, who are probably being paid rather a lot of money, get away with such a blatant lack of fact checking and intelligent writing.

I mean why did they have the lead armour box there at all? They did it cause they thought it would be cool to act like they care about stuff from earlier seasons... but they obviously don't because they didn't bother to check that it actually made sense for the box to be there... which it didn't... and any old lead box would have done just fine, and made perfect sense.

It's just sloppy, and i hate sloppiness.

I want to be able to get past all the faults and enjoy the story line... but i CANT! I can't even bring myself to watch the episode again... It just infuriated me so much. :(

I completely agree with you, well said.
In such a 'professional' branch of work, such as TV series, which are viewed by millions of people, how can they hire such writers who can't write a 45min story that doesn't conflict with 10 earlier episodes throughout the show, or is simply beyond reasoning ?
I guarantee that for much less money (some for no money at all), many of us would write 10x better stories without any plotholes...

[Theshadow129x]

I think the entire episode trying to retcon the past was one huge mistake

agreed

[iluvSmallvilleandi'm24]

Dunno if this has been covered above but...
- Tess thinks Davis is evil, she tries to kill him straight away (car explosion)
- Tess suspects Clark is the savior, tries to find this out by faking a plane crash, fails, and then just gives up?

You'd think she'd be thinking of ways in which to prove that Clark is invulnerable... As Lex would've done over 7 years...

I think that not explaining why Tess hasn't tested Clark so far is a major plot hole.

But maybe that's what the upcoming episode called injustice is about, Tess trying to flesh out Clark's secret

[27CDruid]

In total i count 1 possibly two plotholes in this episode. This thread exagerates completely how many.

Lionels men were told there would be an alien they had to catch. When you come across him and he sprints away do you (a) examine the ship and send one man after him or (b) send every man after the most important subject matter. By the time they got back, the kents had already nicked the ship. Lionel couldnt be sure however if the child was alien so he kept an eye out and helped the friendly Kents adopt the boy.

The St.George bit was a stupid plothole.

The sageth stuff with the blade was not a plothole at all. Tess is just interpretting things wrong.

Iluvsmallville, "I think that not explaining why Tess hasn't tested Clark so far is a major plot hole". WHAT?! She had a plane crash engineered. This all but confirmed it to her. No more proof was needed as Clarks explanation was borderline woeful.
Unlike Davis (who she sees as a destroyer) she wants to gain clarks trust and cant openly go blowing him up. Clark with the help of Miss Sulivan would undoubtedly track down the bomb and its maker.

Its almost like people want faults!

----- Added 3 Minutes later -----

To follow things up. Lionels security team dropped Davis up in a rough area of town. They could easily have been gang attacked while there. Sure this may have seemed suspicious but Lionel has already seen how vulnerable Davis is. He had him locked behind a wooden door which he wasnt able to escape. They took samples form him (and undoubtedly the blood came back human thanks to davis genetic defenses) and were able to pierce his skin.

Even if he had suspected, Davis would have been long gone by the time he started searching for him. By this time Clark had probably caught lionel's eye.

[Tatiana]

I didn't have a major problem with Tess changing the explanation Lex and Lionel had gotten for the drawings in the cave, it made sense to me they were both so obsessed with Clark and trying to figure out who was worthy to be his oponent, their egos were too big. I do think Tess has something else under her sleeve for Clark to prove he is super and maybe test him since she thinks Davis is dead...we'll see, I enjoyed the episode.

[Hopefulsuicide]

In total i count 1 possibly two plotholes in this episode. This thread exagerates completely how many.

Lionels men were told there would be an alien they had to catch. When you come across him and he sprints away do you (a) examine the ship and send one man after him or (b) send every man after the most important subject matter. By the time they got back, the kents had already nicked the ship. Lionel couldnt be sure however if the child was alien so he kept an eye out and helped the friendly Kents adopt the boy.

The St.George bit was a stupid plothole.

The sageth stuff with the blade was not a plothole at all. Tess is just interpretting things wrong.

Iluvsmallville, "I think that not explaining why Tess hasn't tested Clark so far is a major plot hole". WHAT?! She had a plane crash engineered. This all but confirmed it to her. No more proof was needed as Clarks explanation was borderline woeful.
Unlike Davis (who she sees as a destroyer) she wants to gain clarks trust and cant openly go blowing him up. Clark with the help of Miss Sulivan would undoubtedly track down the bomb and its maker.

Its almost like people want faults!


Oh god i don't want them... I absolutely love episode without faults... and the ones with massive contradictions that are so strong that i find the script actually makes no sense whatsoever... well those ones make me angry

The biggest thing that bugged me, was Tess's information and where it was coming from...

One minute, she's getting all her information from Lionel's journal. Then she is saying that Lionel was wrong and there were two boys that fell to earth that day... so are we saying Lionel didn't know about Davis/Doomsday? But then how does she know so much about him?

TBH Lionel having an illustrated diary bugged the crap out of me too... especially when he had drawn scenes perfectly that he hadn't even actually been at... like davis next to the ship...




- Lionel has known that Clark is the Traveler all along? No WAY. Sorry, this one I will absolutely NOT buy. I can't even list all the things in the early seasons that make no sense if we accept this.

- Clark had nightmares involving his alien heritage as a kid, yet he didn't find out that he was an alien until he was 14. Uhh...

- The Doomsday/Sageeth retcon.

- In order for the journal to contain all that juicy Doomsday information, Lionel would have had to find out about him before he died. There are numerous problems with this.
a) How did Lionel find out? If Jor-El had found out early enough for him to have plausibly told Lionel, then he should have warned Clark too. How would Veritas have otherwise come into this information?
b) Once Lionel did find out, why did he not seek out Davis? With his considerable resources I'm sure he would have been able to manage it, and I'm also sure that he would have found such a being interesting and potentially useful.
c) If Lionel found out after his supposed transformation to a semi-cool guy, he should also have warned Clark.

- Lex didn't get the metal box until his twelfth birthday party, I believe, nor did he know the story behind it. Seeing as Doomsday was only kept by Lionel for five days immediately following the meteor shower, and given that it is accepted show canon that Lex was 9 at that time, him having it at this point isn't possible.


These are the plot holes stated by devilneedsaride that i also agree with.

I think trying to excuse the segeeth retcon by saying it is just Tess' interpretation is a bit weak. They presented it as Lionel's information, discovered through the diary. And even if that weren't true, Clark seemed to readily accept what Tess was telling him as truth. Perhaps if we had a scene where Chloe and Clark discussed whether Doomy and he could make up segeeth, Clark could have said 'No, that can't be right because of the blade that would disintegrate when segeeth touched it!'

But we didn't :(

TBH Veritas has simply been the most badly written attempt at a mystery/organisation. It never should have happened. Ever since the idea of Veritas was presented, the show has started failing me in quality... every time an episode mentions it, i cringe :(

[red_sun1938]

You gotta laugh how Lionel's people tracked down Davis right past the spaceship and left it there for somebody else to retrieve.

Yeah, that had me laughing out loud. Lionel would have had that whole corn field on lock down and the ship would have been in his hands the whole time. One other plothole I noticed was from the Pilot and Lineage. The Kent's pickup truck was upside down in a ditch. How did it get turned up right and who lifted the ship into the cargo bed and when did Lionel and a bald Lex show up to catch a ride back to Smallville as shown in Lineage.

After typing this, I am now catatonic with a nosebleed from skipping through the broken record time on the island known as Retcon.

----- Added 6 Minutes later -----


Yeah, that had me laughing out loud. Lionel would have had that whole corn field on lock down and the ship would have been in his hands the whole time. One other plothole I noticed was from the Pilot and Lineage. The Kent's pickup truck was upside down in a ditch. How did it get turned up right and who lifted the ship into the cargo bed and when did Lionel and a bald Lex show up to catch a ride back to Smallville as shown in Lineage.

After typing this, I am now catatonic with a nosebleed from skipping through the broken record time on the island known as Retcon.


Hahahahaha, never mind. Jonathon borrowed a truck from a victim of the meteor shower. LOL

[Zeth Duuron]

I was going to bring this one up but obviously you beat me to it...


No, Doomsday does not have selective immunity. He's impervious to whatever impacted him before, and that would be everywhere on his body. Otherwise, Kryptonite would still affect him on that one spot under his leg/arm the liquid missed. He's the ultimate demon, not Achilles. Come on all you comic geeks, help me out here! I think the cut was info for newbies to the show, but it is a frustration.

This is absolutely correct. Some people are grasping at straws here...

Not really. It's only "that which kills you makes you stronger."

If it KILLS him, he becomes impervious to it, not just if it "hurts" him. That would be hard for any writer to manage...

[Theshadow129x]

Hopefulsuicide:"TBH Veritas has simply been the most badly written attempt at a mystery/organisation. It never should have happened. Ever since the idea of Veritas was presented, the show has started failing me in quality... every time an episode mentions it, i cringe"

Agreed/ Veritas is a mess of a story in which Al/miles tried to retell the story of Smallville and what happened when Clark arrived telling us they had always known it would happen and so on and so forth. also telling us that lionel always new Clark's secret yet when they say they contradict the happenings of the earlier seasons which showed that Lionel clearly didnt know who clark was. this episode also indicated that Lionel also didnt know Clark was the traveler lol so theres a contradiction about their contradiction.

This is my problem with them going back and forth to tell a story about what really happened that day Clark came to earth. every season they add something in something else is pushed out and it all starts to make everything look like a jumbled mess. They did just fine with lineage in season two about that happened the day of the meteor shower but now when they go backwards they ruin their own story and these people have been on board since the beginning of the show.

[27CDruid]

Off the top of my head, here are the ones I noticed, in descending order of how much they cheese me off:

- Lionel has known that Clark is the Traveler all along? No WAY. Sorry, this one I will absolutely NOT buy. I can't even list all the things in the early seasons that make no sense if we accept this.

Go for it!



- Clark had nightmares involving his alien heritage as a kid, yet he didn't find out that he was an alien until he was 14. Uhh...

Please ive had weirder dreams about bieng an alien and i never once thought "hey i actually could be an alien".



- The Doomsday/Sageeth retcon. While not technically a plothole, I'm gonna go ahead and list it for being one of the worst retcons I've seen. Way to completely undermine the emotional impact of the Lex/Clark foreshadowing in the early seasons. Good job, guys. /golfclap

Its tess's interpretation. Lex is still sageeth and the meaning has not been undermined.



- "I thought Jimmy was my best friend." Since when? Clark has consistently been the "best friend" since, oh, season 2? Jimmy has never been described as such. Furthermore, pretty much ALL the Jimmy-related tension has been about Boyfriend VS. Best Friend. This was either a glaring plothole or another one of those retcons that wildly undermines earlier themes.

Since Clark "rang that bell". There friendship has developed in offscreenville.



- In order for the journal to contain all that juicy Doomsday information, Lionel would have had to find out about him before he died. There are numerous problems with this.
a) How did Lionel find out? If Jor-El had found out early enough for him to have plausibly told Lionel, then he should have warned Clark too. How would Veritas have otherwise come into this information?

Through his luthorcorp sources? The Jor-El Lionel connection isnt a simultaneous network for information. They probably have mno access to each others memory.



b) Once Lionel did find out, why did he not seek out Davis? With his considerable resources I'm sure he would have been able to manage it, and I'm also sure that he would have found such a being interesting and potentially useful.

Perhaps he was seeking Davis right up until he was killed? Closing in on the answer. Again, plotholes are not the same things as the unexplained. Lionel may have been actively searching.



c) If Lionel found out after his supposed transformation to a semi-cool guy, he should also have warned Clark.

Clark had enough on his plate without adding an opponent who had yet to be an issue. Lionel's death was sudden and unexpected so he couldnt have passed along the information in time.



- Doomsday's tests came up normal? Seriously? His "parents" had never seen a human being up close and yet managed to replicate human biology/DNA/etc perfectly? Hmm...

He may have initially been replicating kryptonion DNA. Which would have fitted in quite well. They look kinda human. :) On skin contact with a human being he may have been able to replicate the DNA.
Human DNA could have been preemptively replicated anyway. Lara travels to earth before Clark is brought there. Why not kryptonion scientists?



- Lionel ran right past Clark's spaceship and didn't go back to pick it up.


He was chasing the fast moving alien baby.



- Clark was walking around in all his Clarky glory in the RBB outfit. Come on, he can't possibly be that dense, cause I know he isn't that careless.


He aint the BDA for nothing!



- Oliver took care of it! Apparently he is so bad at his job that he doesn't notice when the body goes missing.


Oliver may have been hurt as Doomsday escaped. Anything could have happened! We havent had any feedback from Clark to know how he was taken care of. I am completely sure this will be explained in following episodes. Just because they werent able to fit it doesnt mean it wont be explained!



- Doomsday can speak English right out of the egg.


DNA programing or extremely fast artificial learning. Take your pick.



-I will accept that Luthorcorp has a giant Kryptonian-killing room. I will not accept, however, that it has absolutely no security, and no way of keeping said Kryptonian docile before dumping some unknown amount of Kryptonite on him. Seriously, though. The Kryptonite was clearly well-contained in its little sprinkler system there, because it wasn't bothering Clark before it was released. If an unwilling Kryptonian had been in that death chamber, they would have just fwoomed right out of it. A suicide chamber? Unlikely, especially given that all the controls were on the outside.


Luthorcorp security is lax as always. When the tank wasnt to be used, why need to guard it anyways? Throw a rock into the cell beside him and restraint the problem is solved. There were unused control on the stand. Some of then may have allowed a small sprinkling, enough to placate a kryptonion.

[Hopefulsuicide]

Hopefulsuicide:"TBH Veritas has simply been the most badly written attempt at a mystery/organisation. It never should have happened. Ever since the idea of Veritas was presented, the show has started failing me in quality... every time an episode mentions it, i cringe"

Agreed/ Veritas is a mess of a story in which Al/miles tried to retell the story of Smallville and what happened when Clark arrived telling us they had always known it would happen and so on and so forth. also telling us that lionel always new Clark's secret yet when they say they contradict the happenings of the earlier seasons which showed that Lionel clearly didnt know who clark was. this episode also indicated that Lionel also didnt know Clark was the traveler lol so theres a contradiction about their contradiction.

This is my problem with them going back and forth to tell a story about what really happened that day Clark came to earth. every season they add something in something else is pushed out and it all starts to make everything look like a jumbled mess. They did just fine with lineage in season two about that happened the day of the meteor shower but now when they go backwards they ruin their own story and these people have been on board since the beginning of the show.

I agree, i loved lineage :) It was such a simple back story but so effective in linking the luthors and the kents in this difficult way. Now it's all prophecies and i hate that. In fact i hate that there was ever a prophecy on Smallville...

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27CDruid - as I'm reading your 'explanations' i'm reminded of a funny scene in a Simpsons episode where any questions asked about Xena: Warrior Princess that no one really has the answers too are explained with 'A sorcerer did it!' :lol:

You may not accept a lot of these things as 'plot holes', and I agree that some of them can be explained, but can you not accept that they are simply examples of not very good storytelling?



Please ive had weirder dreams about bieng an alien and i never once thought "hey i actually could be an alien".


Even if that's true, i still think it's ridiculous. I mean, he knew he had 'powers'... so if he was having dreams about an alien heritage, do you not think he might have started to wonder a long time before his dad finally decided to tell him? And are his 'dreams' accurate? When he found out he was actually an alien did he then put peices together and realize that the stuff from his dreams might be real? After 8 seasons exploring Clark and his heritage and his feelings about where he comes from not ONCE has he mentioned any dreams... and yet all of a sudden, they appear...



Its tess's interpretation. Lex is still sageeth and the meaning has not been undermined.



Still disagree with this. Seemed to me like she was repeating Lionel's interpretation. And that pisses me off.




Since Clark "rang that bell". There friendship has developed in offscreenville.



Offscreenville is not an acceptable explanation for a claim that big. A TV show is supposed to 'show' what happens... what's next, Clark flies in offscreenville? Chlark wedding in offscreenville? Chloe's death in offscreenville?






Perhaps he was seeking Davis right up until he was killed? Closing in on the answer. Again, plotholes are not the same things as the unexplained. Lionel may have been actively searching.

This i agree with. In fact Doomy is the only thing that makes his 'What's coming is so terrible' line make any sense.



Luthorcorp security is lax as always. When the tank wasnt to be used, why need to guard it anyways? Throw a rock into the cell beside him and restraint the problem is solved. There were unused control on the stand. Some of then may have allowed a small sprinkling, enough to placate a kryptonion.

I wonder if Oliver owns it technically?

[Pantalaimon]

a) How did Lionel find out? If Jor-El had found out early enough for him to have plausibly told Lionel, then he should have warned Clark too. How would Veritas have otherwise come into this information?
c) If Lionel found out after his supposed transformation to a semi-cool guy, he should also have warned Clark.

I'm not going to respond to all of what you said. You have some points, and you exaggerate on others. However, this one is interesting. I was viewing Veritas again the other day and in that episode Lionel explicitly warned about "something terrible" that was coming. I wonder if they were already thinking about using Doomsday at that point? But even if the warning wasn't about Doomsday, it surely wasn't just about Lex and his desires either. Lex controlling Clark would have been bad news, but "something terrible" that is coming doesn't seem an appropriate description for that turn of events. Anyway, since we're talking about retcons, in this the new storyline actually ties in rather well. ;)

What's more, wasn't Tess picking up that seal that lead to the controlling stone at the end of the episode?

[27CDruid]

IEven if that's true, i still think it's ridiculous. I mean, he knew he had 'powers'... so if he was having dreams about an alien heritage, do you not think he might have started to wonder a long time before his dad finally decided to tell him? And are his 'dreams' accurate? When he found out he was actually an alien did he then put peices together and realize that the stuff from his dreams might be real?

Meteor freaks were appearing from the instant the shower began. Im willing to bet Clark assumed he was one of them. Most people are unlikely to leap to the idea of being alien. Perhaps a few meteor freaks mentioned "being" aliens while they went crazy(someone did this in S2 if i remember). Further making Clarky believe he was just a common as muck meteor freak.



Chloe's death in offscreenville?

Can you imagine how crazy this forum would be if that happened? If Lois appeared on screen at the start of the episode crying at how Chloe was crushed by a bus? I actually think the servers would die at the weight of forum complaining!

[Hopefulsuicide]

Meteor freaks were appearing from the instant the shower began. Im willing to bet Clark assumed he was one of them. Most people are unlikely to leap to the idea of being alien. Perhaps a few meteor freaks mentioned "being" aliens while they went crazy(someone did this in S2 if i remember). Further making Clarky believe he was just a common as muck meteor freak.


Clark didn't know about meteor freaks until Chloe showed him her wall and he actually came face to face with one, in the Pilot. Hence his shock and the wave of guilt that it was all his fault. He was skeptical about it all at first.

One other meteor freak said he was an alien, Cyrus. He wasn't an alien though, but he had had dreams of a ship and had thought he was an alien.

So by this logic, if Clark had had dreams of a ship, he would have thought he was an alien too, since the only other person on the show to have had dreams about being an alien (that we know of) thought he was one.

:lol:



Can you imagine how crazy this forum would be if that happened? If Lois appeared on screen at the start of the episode crying at how Chloe was crushed by a bus? I actually think the servers would die at the weight of forum complaining!

Not just this forum! I could actually see it leading to physical protests in the streets :lol:

[devilneedsaride]

I'm not going to respond to all of what you said. You have some points, and you exaggerate on others.

I apologize for that. I was still in post-episode rant mode. I think the "Lionel knew all along!" thing alone was enough to send my head spinning off into another dimension.


However, this one is interesting. I was viewing Veritas again the other day and in that episode Lionel explicitly warned about "something terrible" that was coming. I wonder if they were already thinking about using Doomsday at that point? But even if the warning wasn't about Doomsday, it surely wasn't just about Lex and his desires either. Lex controlling Clark would have been bad news, but "something terrible" that is coming doesn't seem an appropriate description for that turn of events. Anyway, since we're talking about retcons, in this the new storyline actually ties in rather well. ;)

What's more, wasn't Tess picking up that seal that lead to the controlling stone at the end of the episode?

I think she was. I honestly didn't follow the Veritas plotline very closely because I have a serious beef with retcons (who knew?), but it doesn't seem too far out there that the showrunners knew enough about their season 8 plans to foreshadow a Doomsdayish... well, doom in season 7. The problem still remains though, how on earth did he find that out? I haven't seen that episode since it first aired, but did he only know as much as "something terrible?" How would he find that out? It still doesn't quite make sense.


Go for it!


Perhaps some day when I'm even more bored than I am right now, I will. I think a comprehensive list would require a focused re-viewing of at least the first four seasons, as I'm sure there are small things here and there at least every couple of episodes.

Off the top of my head, though:
- Trying to get Chloe to get the truth about Clark in "Truth".
- Being shocked by a veiled display of Clark's powers in "Red".
- Being very surprised by Clark's powers in "Transference".
- Every single moment of dramatic tension when we were worried that Lionel would find out Clark's secret. This is why I hate retcons. I'm giving myself a headache just thinking about it.

etc, etc




Please ive had weirder dreams about bieng an alien and i never once thought "hey i actually could be an alien".


It's still a plothole if you take the quote in context. He was saying that he used to have these nightmares about not being found by his parents because he was aware that he was very lucky and that his entire life could have been so much worse due to nothing but random chance. If we take into account that he didn't know anything about his heritage until that talk with Jonathan at 14, the line not only makes no sense, but it has absolutely no meaning, because he couldn't have been afraid of a possibility he didn't know existed.




Its tess's interpretation. Lex is still sageeth and the meaning has not been undermined.


That would be cool if we had any indication by the writers that nobody else believed that. Not only was it implied that Lionel believed that, but Clark seemed to believe it too ("It wasn't a very big fight"), completely forgetting the whole knife thing AND, apparently, the actual myth.



Since Clark "rang that bell". There friendship has developed in offscreenville.


I'm gonna go with that hopefulsuicide said on this one. It's a show. It tells a story. It can't just change some of the fundamental relationships of the characters and then go "Oh that? That happened while you were looking over there. SURPRISE!" especially if it doesn't do anything to address why it wasn't shown. That line still bugs me more than almost any of the other things I listed. "I thought he was the love of my life." would have made so much more sense.



Through his luthorcorp sources? The Jor-El Lionel connection isnt a simultaneous network for information. They probably have mno access to each others memory.


What Luthorcorp sources could possibly find out about a genetically engineered Kryptonian destroyer landing alongside the Kryptonian baby? And if they did, how would they even go about interpreting such information?




Perhaps he was seeking Davis right up until he was killed? Closing in on the answer. Again, plotholes are not the same things as the unexplained. Lionel may have been actively searching.


Things that don't make sense until they're explained are still plotholes. If we had any indication on the show that he was looking for a Kryptonian Hulk I would accept this.



Clark had enough on his plate without adding an opponent who had yet to be an issue. Lionel's death was sudden and unexpected so he couldnt have passed along the information in time.


Well, Lionel is kind of a jerk so I'll give you that we can't necessarily follow his intentions, but I maintain that it makes no sense to find out about an "ultimate destroyer" wandering around killing people who won't give him a churro he wants or whatever and not tell your resident superhero about it because you don't want to stress him out.




He may have initially been replicating kryptonion DNA. Which would have fitted in quite well. They look kinda human. :) On skin contact with a human being he may have been able to replicate the DNA.
Human DNA could have been preemptively replicated anyway. Lara travels to earth before Clark is brought there. Why not kryptonion scientists?


Ding! Satisfactory explanation.




He was chasing the fast moving alien baby.


He didn't go back? He didn't make any note of it at all? He didn't think it was strange that it was there one day and gone the next? Of course, I guess that could be explained by "Lionel knew all along!", but I think blood just started leaking out my ears again.




He aint the BDA for nothing!


Still, it's not fantastic storytelling to constantly assassinate the basic intelligence of the main character. And nobody else saw him in his outfit and made any note of it at all? And he wore it in front of Tess, who he already knew was suspicious of him? I've known smarter rabbits. I think it's one thing to say "Well our main character is just that stupid", but when it goes beyond the bounds of reason it ventures into plothole territory. I refuse to think he's quite that dumb.



Oliver may have been hurt as Doomsday escaped. Anything could have happened! We havent had any feedback from Clark to know how he was taken care of. I am completely sure this will be explained in following episodes. Just because they werent able to fit it doesnt mean it wont be explained!


If it is explained later then it will cease to be a plothole, but as of right now it is. Again, they can't just shove major plot points into offscreenville.



DNA programing or extremely fast artificial learning. Take your pick.


Fair enough. I think they probably should have explained it in the show somewhere, but I'll accept this.



Luthorcorp security is lax as always. When the tank wasnt to be used, why need to guard it anyways? Throw a rock into the cell beside him and restraint the problem is solved. There were unused control on the stand. Some of then may have allowed a small sprinkling, enough to placate a kryptonion.

If it wasn't to be used, why build it? For kicks? If you're going to pour what I can only assume is several million dollars into building a machine, you obviously have some plan for it and you aren't going to just plop it down somewhere and leave, given what you've invested in making it. I guess the rock thing makes sense, but it strikes me as unusual that they would build this big, high-tech thing and then rely on something as low-tech as a big rock in the corner to make it effective. I'll admit that this is the weakest of my complaints though.

[27CDruid]

Trying to get Chloe to get the truth about Clark in "Truth".

Most of his colleagues may assume him insane for believing such a thig. getting little Miss sullivan to admit it proves him 100% correct. He may have needed the assurances.


Being shocked by a veiled display of Clark's powers in "Red".

Its one thing suspecting he has alien powers. Its quite another having them displayed before you for the first time.


Being very surprised by Clark's powers in "Transference".

Eh maybe he... was... surprised by the levels of power? Okay i struggle here.


What Luthorcorp sources could possibly find out about a genetically engineered Kryptonian destroyer landing alongside the Kryptonian baby? And if they did, how would they even go about interpreting such information?

Maybe another kawatchi cave site? This one demonstrating the dangers of the destroyer. Which then could be mistakenly combined with Sageeth the Destroyer.




Ding! Satisfactory explanation.

I got one!!! :D Playing devils advocate is hard.



He didn't go back? He didn't make any note of it at all? He didn't think it was strange that it was there one day and gone the next? Of course, I guess that could be explained by "Lionel knew all along!", but I think blood just started leaking out my ears again.

The Kents may have arrived before he could have him men collect it. Or it may have been cloaked until the occupant decided to open it.


If it wasn't to be used, why build it? For kicks? If you're going to pour what I can only assume is several million dollars into building a machine, you obviously have some plan for it and you aren't going to just plop it down somewhere and leave, given what you've invested in making it.

Perhaps it was one of two chambers created in S7. I think it was mentioned that there were two? The first being the one Clark was held in by Lionel, only to be saved by Kara.

[devilneedsaride]

Most of his colleagues may assume him insane for believing such a thig. getting little Miss sullivan to admit it proves him 100% correct. He may have needed the assurances.


If they think he's insane they aren't going to believe him because a high school journalist backs him up. He doesn't strike as one who is generally insecure in his convictions, either.



Its one thing suspecting he has alien powers. Its quite another having them displayed before you for the first time.


IIRC, he said something like "Who is this Clark Kent? He seems... interesting" to Lex afterwards, clearly indicating that he was previously not privy to any of Clark's specialness and that Clark wasn't even on his radar before then.



Maybe another kawatchi cave site? This one demonstrating the dangers of the destroyer. Which then could be mistakenly combined with Sageeth the Destroyer.


Well, we don't have any reason to believe that there's a second cave site or that it says anything about Doomsday. You'd think something like that would be mentioned by Lionel or Lex or noticed by Clark at some point on the show. If it had been mentioned, or if how Lionel found out had been addressed in any way, even a "How did he find out?""I don't know" kind of thing, it would be far more acceptable.



The Kents may have arrived before he could have him men collect it. Or it may have been cloaked until the occupant decided to open it.


They came past once it was already opened, and didn't he think it was odd that there was a spaceship there the first time 'round and then when he supposedly came back for it it was gone? He should have been investigating this, or it at least should have been mentioned.



Perhaps it was one of two chambers created in S7. I think it was mentioned that there were two? The first being the one Clark was held in by Lionel, only to be saved by Kara.

It would still cost money to build and therefore be worth protecting and designing in a useful way. I mean, the first one had enough muscle around it. :p

[27CDruid]

IIRC, he said something like "Who is this Clark Kent? He seems... interesting" to Lex afterwards, clearly indicating that he was previously not privy to any of Clark's specialness and that Clark wasn't even on his radar before then.

Common, he was obviously playing with Lex. Lionel helped the adoption forward. It isnt the first time the Luthors have messed with each others head!



They came past once it was already opened, and didn't he think it was odd that there was a spaceship there the first time 'round and then when he supposedly came back for it it was gone? He should have been investigating this, or it at least should have been mentioned.

He probably did.... only it wasnt mentioned. A little more plot filling sohuld have been done true enough.




It would still cost money to build and therefore be worth protecting and designing in a useful way. I mean, the first one had enough muscle around it. :p

Unless of course Ollie now owns it and released the guard from duty.

[borednow]

Mistakes - Writing this episode
Plot Holes - We need some caution tape here!
Inconsistencies - The Smallville Writers informal nickname.

[devilneedsaride]

Common, he was obviously playing with Lex. Lionel helped the adoption forward. It isnt the first time the Luthors have messed with each others head!


I can't actually prove anything on this one, but I thought it was a clear intention on the part of the writers to indicate that scene as the point Lionel took a serious interest in Clark.



He probably did.... only it wasnt mentioned. A little more plot filling sohuld have been done true enough.


Well yes. It doesn't make sense without more explanation than we were given, therefore it's a plot hole.



Unless of course Ollie now owns it and released the guard from duty.

*contemplative chinstroke*

So does Oliver now have access to all of Luthorcorp's private nasty experiments and the like? Tess was obviously dealing in some nasty kidnapping-type stuff in the beginning of the season and we haven't seen anything to indicate either that she's stopped or that Oliver knows about them. Assuming the room is entirely vestigial, and that Oliver knows about it, why would he dismiss the guard instead of dismantling a machine specifically designed to kill his friend? By reducing the security, he only gave more people easier access to it. If he doesn't know about it, then that would mean Tess was the one not guarding it properly. I can see her wanting to keep a Kryptonian-killing machine around, but then we get back to why wouldn't she keep it safe given its apparent value.

I kind of doubt we're supposed to think this deeply about these things, but it's fun anyway. :p

[27CDruid]

*contemplative chinstroke*

So does Oliver now have access to all of Luthorcorp's private nasty experiments and the like? Tess was obviously dealing in some nasty kidnapping-type stuff in the beginning of the season and we haven't seen anything to indicate either that she's stopped or that Oliver knows about them. Assuming the room is entirely vestigial, and that Oliver knows about it, why would he dismiss the guard instead of dismantling a machine specifically designed to kill his friend? By reducing the security, he only gave more people easier access to it. If he doesn't know about it, then that would mean Tess was the one not guarding it properly. I can see her wanting to keep a Kryptonian-killing machine around, but then we get back to why wouldn't she keep it safe given its apparent value.

I kind of doubt we're supposed to think this deeply about these things, but it's fun anyway. :p

Chloe calls Ollie and tells him of a kryptonion killer beast that can beatup clark. Ollie being morality impaired, doesnt hesitate but goes over tells the guards they all have a 3 weeks double pay holiday. The guards see the part-owner of luthorcorp saying this so they happily bugger off. ollie tell Chloe he shall disspose of the body and clhoe tells him to leave her and davis in peace.

[zor-el]

<DIR>According to me Lionel always suspected Clark.. But he wasn't sure, he had no proof (maybe DNA) thad the was the real traveler.. and because of this in episode 2x23 he asked Chloe to investigate him.. or in episode 3x19, when he locked Clark up at Summerholt institute<DIR>

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[Dwayne93]

I think the entire episode trying to retcon the past was one huge mistake
I know right where was davis during seasons1-7?

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I think the entire episode trying to retcon the past was one huge mistake
where was davis in seasons1-7?

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Oh and how Tess was able to steal Lionels journal yet Lex never acquired it, it totally seems like something he would do, especially since he was obsessed with Veritas. And where was this journal kept?
this was very strange and unexpected