View Full Version : Did Chloe Make the Right Choice...?
Amelie
04-02-2009, 07:04 PM
So Clark is always about never resorting to killing others, but Chloe has in the past echoed the sentiment that sometimes you have to do whatever it takes to save the world. This time she saw that Clark was in danger and her instinct told her to protect him by killing someone. The only problem is that by her choosing to kill Davis with Kryptonite she inevitably made him stronger and now he's more of a killing machine than ever. So, did Chloe make the right choice? What would you have done in her place? Was Clark right? Or were both right and wrong? Explain!
wingster55
04-02-2009, 07:13 PM
Not only was she saving Clark but she was protecting the entire planet. Chloe wouldn't kill for just Clark (Wrath).
Polomontana
04-02-2009, 07:15 PM
ABSOLUTLEY!!
Chloe is a great friend and she realizes that Clark will try to save the guy who was sent to earth to kill him.
Chloe will do whatever it takes to protect Clark because Clark is not smart enough to protect himself.
Aloof
04-02-2009, 07:17 PM
I don't know! It's so sad to choose like that. :(
Jack-El49
04-02-2009, 07:17 PM
That's a great moral question. Of course, Chloe didn't need to make it...Davis could just as well pulled the lever and jumped in. Of course, it would have been moot and not nearly as dramatic.
AndiGirl
04-02-2009, 07:19 PM
I think at this point there was nothing else Chloe could have done. Now, if the whole "trying to kill Davis" thing had never happend...and they jumped straight to locking themselves in the basement together. I would have to say no.
But it cant be said that Davis didnt make the nobel effort to do the right thing...and now that they know for sure that he cant be destroyed and Chloe can some how control his "outbursts" then I'm not sure what else Chloe was supposed to do.
If you ask me, she's being incredibly brave....and trying to save the man who (IMO) she loves, and her best friend.
FlyingHigh
04-02-2009, 07:23 PM
Killing him prior to Clark's entrance might have been wrong, but once Davis started Dooming out I think Chloe was justified, on the basis of self-defense if nothing else. She'd seen the pictures, she knew what the guy was capable of, and she knew he could Super Heal. There was no guarantee in that situation that Clark could have protected her, which is what I wish she would have told him in their conversation afterwards.
Skaterpen357
04-02-2009, 07:23 PM
To be fair, Chloe had no idea Davis would come back.
As for the whole whether or not it was right to kill him under the assumption he would die for good, I'm undecided. I've always admired Superman's drive to find another way, but on the other hand, self-defense (or in this case, other people-defense) is apparently morally okay, and Superman did kill Doomsday in the comics, so...
I don't know. I didn't even vote.
Deana
04-02-2009, 07:28 PM
She must think Clark really sucks. Oh, Davis is going to beat the crap out of Clark . . . gotta kill him. Does she have no faith it Clark's abilities? How does she know Clark was going to lose? XD
LightSeeker
04-02-2009, 07:29 PM
I think at this point there was nothing else Chloe could have done. Now, if the whole "trying to kill Davis" thing had never happend...and they jumped straight to locking themselves in the basement together. I would have to say no.
But it cant be said that Davis didnt make the nobel effort to do the right thing...and now that they know for sure that he cant be destroyed and Chloe can some how control his "outbursts" then I'm not sure what else Chloe was supposed to do.
If you ask me, she's being incredibly brave....and trying to save the man who (IMO) she loves, and her best friend.
Andi!! ITA If Chloe is the only one who can calm the beast inside him then she stays with him not just to protect Clark but to protect the world.
SGuthrie27
04-02-2009, 07:31 PM
I voted in the "I don't know" category. Morally, I couldn't ever see myself killing anyone, but I can't help but wonder in that scenario what I would have done were I in Chloe's shoes... She was caught between a rock and a hard place and I don't know that she had any other option. She saw Doomsday's eyes and knew he was about to go postal. She'd seen the photos of all of Davis's victims. She knew what a threat Davis posed to Clark, and it was what Davis wanted. And yeah, she had no clue that he'd survive it. So I guess I'm leaning more towards the answer that she was right, but I also can understand and appreciate where Clark's coming from.
--SGuthrie ><>' :)--
AndiGirl
04-02-2009, 07:31 PM
She must think Clark really sucks. Oh, Davis is going to beat the crap out of Clark . . . gotta kill him. Does she have no faith it Clark's abilities? How does she know Clark was going to lose? XD
Everything they have heard about this guy = ultimate destroyer.
Jor-el has warned him...Lionel. This is Clarks big bad. So of course Chloe is worried....everyone seems to think Clark will lose. She did what she had to....
Fallen One
04-02-2009, 07:33 PM
No. What she did was make Davis immortal now AND he's now invunerable to Kryptonite. What Chloe did was just seal Clark's death. Thanks a lot Chloe.
AndiGirl
04-02-2009, 07:34 PM
No. What she did was make Davis immortal now AND he's now invunerable to Kryptonite. What Chloe did was just seal Clark's death. Thanks a lot Chloe.
Why am I not surprised?? :lol:
Dresden
04-02-2009, 07:34 PM
Chloe didn't have all the facts at the moment. She didn't know exactly what would happen if Davis turned into that beast. Yes, we know as the audience, but Chloe the character had no clue so to actually takes steps towards ending someone's life was a bit too drastic and it wreaked of season 7 Lana. So I say no.
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No. What she did was make Davis immortal now AND he's now invunerable to Kryptonite. What Chloe did was just seal Clark's death. Thanks a lot Chloe.
She sealed his death and then she may be Judas who ultimately betrays him, too. ;) But we'll know for sure in less about a month!
Diego*Chloe
04-02-2009, 07:37 PM
the Kryptonite thing dosent matter even if Clark planned to use it against Doomsday the result would have been the same.....also Clarks death was seal by the time they bring in Davis Bloome IMO
Deana
04-02-2009, 07:40 PM
Everything they have heard about this guy = ultimate destroyer.
Jor-el has warned him...Lionel. This is Clarks big bad. So of course Chloe is worried....everyone seems to think Clark will lose. She did what she had to....Everything points to Clark being the Ultimate Savior. He is underestimated greatly. Why is he underestimated and Davis overestimated? She overreacted . . . made Davis more powerful and probably just signed a death sentence to the one she was trying to protect.
He may have beaten Doomsday if she would have stayed out of the way. Now Doomsday is stronger and I don't see Clark defeating him.
Poyntz
04-02-2009, 07:42 PM
She had no idea that he wouldnt die and that he would become immune to it. Only the audiance knows. Sometimes people assume the characters knows what the audience knows.
AndiGirl
04-02-2009, 07:42 PM
After points to Clark being the Ultimate Savior. He is underestimated greatly. She overreacted . . . made Davis more powerful and probably just signed a death sentence to the one she was trying to protect.
He may have beaten Doomsday if she would have stayed out of the way. Now Doomsday is stronger and I don't see it happening anymore.
What else was she supposed to do though? I have a feeling people would have been mad at her either way.
1) She does nothing...and people think she is choosing Davis over Clark
2) she takes action.....(which she did) and it backfired on her. So now she's going to lock herself in a basement with a killing machine to protect Clark.
I agree with you, people arent giving Clark enough credit. But if I knew there was an ultimate destroying machine after my best friend (alien with super powers or not) I would do everything in my power to protect him. Clark has the habit of waiting for trouble to come to him, and Chloe was just trying to nip it in the bud.
Diego*Chloe
04-02-2009, 07:43 PM
Everything points to Clark being the Ultimate Savior. He is underestimated greatly. Why is he underestimated and Davis overestimated? She overreacted . . . made Davis more powerful and probably just signed a death sentence to the one she was trying to protect.
He may have beaten Doomsday if she would have stayed out of the way. Now Doomsday is stronger and I don't see Clark defeating him.
jajajajaja please Doomsday would beat the crap out of Clark without the help of Chloe see Bride ;)
AndiGirl I agree with you ;)
Night_Hawk90
04-02-2009, 07:45 PM
What else was she supposed to do though? I have a feeling people would have been mad at her either way.
1) She does nothing...and people think she is choosing Davis over Clark
2) she takes action.....(which she did) and it backfired on her. So now she's going to lock herself in a basement with a killing machine to protect Clark.
I agree with you, people arent giving Clark enough credit. But if I knew there was an ultimate destroying machine after my best friend (alien with super powers or not) I would do everything in my power to protect him. Clark has the habit of waiting for trouble to come to him, and Chloe was just trying to nip it in the bud.
chloe also has a habit of putting her trust in the wrong people;)
AndiGirl
04-02-2009, 07:48 PM
chloe also has a habit of putting her trust in the wrong people;)
Wasnt Clark the one fighting for Davis's life when Chloe was prepared to pull the lever?? ;)
I agree...she does, but so did Clark.
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jajajajaja please Doomsday would beat the crap out of Clark without the help of Chloe see Bride ;)
AndiGirl I agree with you ;)
Thanks Diego, glad someone does! ;)
Deana
04-02-2009, 07:49 PM
All that scene did for me was make a joke out of Clark and prove that Chloe just might have killed that reporter because he was like oh my god . . . a threat to Clark. >.>
jajajajaja please Doomsday would beat the crap out of Clark without the help of Chloe see Bride ;)
AndiGirl I agree with you ;)It was one punch and then Clark got high on Kryptonite so Lana could come and save him. It wasn't a fight. It was another scene where Clark looks like a joke so someone could run and save him.
Poyntz
04-02-2009, 07:50 PM
Yep Clarks puts trust in wrong people too.lol
pleasenoclois
04-02-2009, 07:50 PM
It wouldn't matter what anyone did to Doomy, he'd still destroy Clark.
dru-zod2501
04-02-2009, 07:53 PM
Chloe sounded more like lex and lana than ever before. If it had been lana in chloe's place would we be calling her brave or gnashing our teeth at how much of a villain she's become?
Diego*Chloe
04-02-2009, 07:53 PM
It wouldn't matter what anyone did to Doomy, he'd still destroy Clark.
Exactly.
Sports72Xtrm
04-02-2009, 07:54 PM
This seems complicated. I gave her a lot of grief for killing Sebastian because he was no apocalyptic monster..but Davis is Doomsday. He's the ultimate bad guy. He can't be controlled and if he ever loses it so many people will die. Idk.:confused: I guess it just boils down to whether or not people believe in Clark or Superman.
Night_Hawk90
04-02-2009, 07:58 PM
Yep Clarks puts trust in wrong people too.lol
yea but did he ever put trust into the ultimate destroyer as chloe has done in the end scene. And dont give this crap that shes doing whats best for clark and the world. Because that is pure b.s who is chloe to decide this.
Deana
04-02-2009, 07:59 PM
I am sorry but I would rather see Clark Kent dying with Doomsday in an epic battle, over looking like a deer stuck in the headlights as a little blond saves his butt by doing what he despises most.
AndiGirl
04-02-2009, 08:00 PM
This seems complicated. I gave her a lot of grief for killing Sebastian because he was no apocalyptic monster..but Davis is Doomsday. He's the ultimate bad guy. He can't be controlled and if he ever loses it so many people will die. Idk.:confused: I guess it just boils down to whether or not people believe in Clark or Superman.
I think the reason I'm not upset with her choice this time is because Davis was begging her to help end his life. Because he knows its whats best for the world.
Sports72Xtrm
04-02-2009, 08:13 PM
I think the reason I'm not upset with her choice this time is because Davis was begging her to help end his life. Because he knows its whats best for the world.
Yeah I guess that's true. It's Euthanasia I guess which I guess can't really be considered wrong.
STFanatic
04-02-2009, 08:14 PM
How about her calling Clark and telling him that Davis is not dead but she can somehow keep him from killing, then inviting Clark to come over and see if they can all work something out. Perhaps letting John Jones in on it as well.
But no, keep it a secret till it is too late and everything goes to heck in a hand basket.
Jack-El49
04-02-2009, 08:15 PM
She had no idea that he wouldnt die and that he would become immune to it. Only the audiance knows. Sometimes people assume the characters knows what the audience knows.
It seems that having no idea is becoming more and more characteristic of Chloe this season.
Poyntz
04-02-2009, 08:19 PM
yea but did he ever put trust into the ultimate destroyer as chloe has done in the end scene. And dont give this crap that shes doing whats best for clark and the world. Because that is pure b.s who is chloe to decide this.
I don't know if she thought of the world at that point or later on. But she reacted very quickly in a dire situation. As far as she could see she was protecting clark. This is just my option. You don't have to call mine or anyones options BS. Thank you
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It seems that having no idea is becoming more and more characteristic of Chloe this season.
Obviously Chloe didn't know and neither did Clark or anyone. Seems Davis wasn't too sure himself or he wouldn't of bothered trying to get himself killed if he thought it was pointless.LOL
I'm actually dying to know and wish they showed how "Oliver took care of it" LOL.. Obviously he didn't LOL
Jack-El49
04-02-2009, 08:26 PM
How about her calling Clark and telling him that Davis is not dead but she can somehow keep him from killing, then inviting Clark to come over and see if they can all work something out. Perhaps letting John Jones in on it as well.
But no, keep it a secret till it is too late and everything goes to heck in a hand basket.
That's exactly right, Steve.
Instead of what you suggest, let's lock it away in our little basement; send some disreputable people down there to calm his murderous urges over the next few weeks; then get that angsty, whiny, pouty look when she can't control the thing and he kills Clark.
So where was the right choice in her actions?
Polomontana
04-02-2009, 08:31 PM
Chloe had to do it, especially after what they just went through with Brainiac.
This guys eyes are turning red and he told Clark he was sent to earth to kill him. Of course she had to do it.
She knows how strong Clark is and she knows how strong Davis has to be if he was sent to earth to kill Clark.
Jack-El49
04-02-2009, 08:41 PM
Chloe had to do it, especially after what they just went through with Brainiac.
This guys eyes are turning red and he told Clark he was sent to earth to kill him. Of course she had to do it.
She knows how strong Clark is and she knows how strong Davis has to be if he was sent to earth to kill Clark.
And locking herself in the basement with him is supposed to do....what?
Polomontana
04-02-2009, 08:46 PM
And locking herself in the basement with him is supposed to do....what?
It will save alot of lives. Without Chloe Davis will go on a killing spree until he gets Clark.
She had no other choice. Chloe realized how strong he must be if kryptonite only makes him stronger. She knows how strong Clark is and if Davis is sent to earth to kill Clark he must be very strong.
Chloe saved lives by locking that door because Davis would have went crazy if she didn't stay.
xrayvision
04-02-2009, 08:52 PM
She made the worst choice since she just made him stronger by pulling the lever. Clark is not ready now, but then again, I guarantee he won't be ready when the finale comes around because he has no practice fighting/beating someone of such ferocity & power. Even against Zod & Aldar he got creamed.
Polomontana
04-02-2009, 08:54 PM
She made the worst choice since she just made him stronger by pulling the lever. Clark is not ready now, but then again, I guarantee he won't be ready when the finale comes around because he has no practice fighting/beating someone of such ferocity & power. Even against Zod & Aldar he got creamed.
How did she know pulling the lever would make him stronger?
That makes no sense. Davis even thought the kryptonite would kill him when he remembered it hurt him when he was younger.
So how in the world would Chloe know kryptonite would make him stronger?
amberdawn
04-02-2009, 08:58 PM
I chose no.
bobby1984
04-02-2009, 08:58 PM
i dont know, but i lean towrds killing him cause they didnt know wat to do, but maybe ther is a chance like clark said they could be another way and most of the time he is right but in this situation you he is the ulitmate destroyer and sent to kill clark so you r kinda torn betwwen the two but chloe did the right thing though you cant fault her for the reasons she did it the cons out wieght the pros with him,
but AndiGirl had it right about chloe, people r so jugdemental of her and puts her on the same moral level with clark when she is not in the same situation as him and they have way different lives and he is in a more of a sit to let the problem work there way out and step back and look at it moe so than chloe
wolverine316
04-02-2009, 08:59 PM
I guess Miss high and mighty made yet another bad decision. You are harboring the ultimate destroyer without warning your best friend that he is still alive? With friends like her who needs enemies??? I think Chloe looks good in a dunce hat.
melissan02
04-02-2009, 09:00 PM
How did she know pulling the lever would make him stronger?
That makes no sense. Davis even thought the kryptonite would kill him when he remembered it hurt him when he was younger.
So how in the world would Chloe know kryptonite would make him stronger?
Only thing that matters is what Chloe knows now! She knows that the kryptonite has made Davis stronger, and that he was sent to Earth to kill Clark. Now she's hiding him in the basement...and not going to tell Clark?? WTF?
Chloe has three strikes, so now she's out!
xrayvision
04-02-2009, 09:00 PM
How did she know pulling the lever would make him stronger?
That makes no sense. Davis even thought the kryptonite would kill him when he remembered it hurt him when he was younger.
So how in the world would Chloe know kryptonite would make him stronger?
I'm not saying she knew. But I am saying she made a wrong choice without knowing she did. But she knows now. And there's something else I want to bring up in a seperate thread.
Polomontana
04-02-2009, 09:03 PM
I'm not saying she knew. But I am saying she made a wrong choice without knowing she did. But she knows now. And there's something else I want to bring up in a seperate thread.
Of course she did because she had to react. She didn't have time to figure it out.
AndiGirl
04-02-2009, 09:03 PM
What matters now is what Chloe knows! She knows that the kryptonite has made Davis stronger, and that he was sent to Earth to kill Clark. Now she's hiding him in the basement...and not going to tell Clark?? WTF?
Chloe has three strikes, so now she's out!
But she also now knows that nothing can kill Davis. And like you said...he was sent to eart to kill Clark. The only thing that seems to control his transformations....Chloe.
I dont think she's wrong at all, she's trying to protect Clark and the world. If Clark knew, he would never let her do it. So of course she's going to keep it to herself. :\
I've personally never liked Chloe more, she's doing everything in her power to save her best friend.
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Of course she did because she had to react. She didn't have time to figure it out.
Exactly....Davis/Dooms was about to charge through the window at them.
Polomontana
04-02-2009, 09:08 PM
But she also now knows that nothing can kill Davis. And like you said...he was sent to eart to kill Clark. The only thing that seems to control his transformations....Chloe.
I dont think she's wrong at all, she's trying to protect Clark and the world. If Clark knew, he would never let her do it. So of course she's going to keep it to herself. :\
I've personally never liked Chloe more, she's doing everything in her power to save her best friend.
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Exactly....Davis/Dooms was about to charge through the window at them.
Your right. I wonder if people are watching the same show.
If she didn't stay with Davis he could have went on a killing spree until he got to Clark. So she had to stay.
She saw the kryptonite made him stronger and she knows how strong Clark is and if he was sent to earth to kill Clark, she knows how strong Davis must be.
She couldn't leave because she's the only thing standing between Davis and mass destruction.
Kschreck
04-02-2009, 09:09 PM
I have to say yes because sometimes you just need to defend yourself and Clark wasn't doing it here. We all know how the story pans out with Doomsday murdering people in large numbers but even if we didn't know, I would have taken the huge warnings from Jor-El as well as the damage Doomsday has already caused along with his super abilities and decided that yes it's time to destroy him if we have the chance to do so.
Diego*Chloe
04-02-2009, 09:13 PM
Your right. I wonder if people are watching the same show.
If she didn't stay with Davis he could have went on a killing spree until he got to Clark. So she had to stay.
She saw the kryptonite made him stronger and she knows how strong Clark is and if he was sent to earth to kill Clark, she knows how strong Davis must be.
She couldn't leave because she's the only thing standing between Davis and mass destruction.
The most important thing here is that she knows Kryptonite wont do anything to Davis/Doomsday and Kryptonite is the only thing that can kill Clark....so go figure the girl did what she thought was right.....
Sports72Xtrm
04-02-2009, 09:15 PM
Although I find no other alternative for Chloe but to stick with Davis but I am disappointed she is keeping another big secret from Clark. I mean she didn't believe in Jimmy and now she's not believing in Clark.
haydenclaireheroes
04-02-2009, 09:21 PM
I thought chloe was going to whip out her phone and call him to see what to do. But she could not do that. But ya she made the right choice. Because think about her life or at least half of her life. It was always about clark and protecting his secret. She would do anything she even ended up in the hospital a couple of times. She would protect him at any stake. So she had to take this chance to protect him.
Kryptonian4life
04-02-2009, 09:28 PM
It wouldn't of mattered either way, because now Davis is immune to Kryptonite
xrayvision
04-02-2009, 09:29 PM
I thought chloe was going to whip out her phone and call him to see what to do. But she could not do that. But ya she made the right choice. Because think about her life or at least half of her life. It was always about clark and protecting his secret. She would do anything she even ended up in the hospital a couple of times. She would protect him at any stake. So she had to take this chance to protect him.
I wonder if Clark will react in any way about that. Could he be friendly with someone who doesn't agree with his morals? Because Chloe definitely broke away from them.
Diego*Chloe
04-02-2009, 09:30 PM
Does it matter if she didnt told Clark??? hes gonna get killed anyway IMO
xrayvision
04-02-2009, 09:34 PM
Does it matter if she didnt told Clark??? hes gonna get killed anyway IMO
I don't know. Now, she's pretty much helping it happen. I think she should tell Clark because Davis is in a cooperating mood. Maybe they can find a way to send him to the Phantom Zone or use black-k to seperate the beast from him. She is keeping a secret from Clark when Clark completely told her all of his.
Diego*Chloe
04-02-2009, 09:37 PM
I don't know. Now, she's pretty much helping it happen. I think she should tell Clark because Davis is in a cooperating mood. Maybe they can find a way to send him to the Phantom Zone or use black-k to seperate the beast from him. She is keeping a secret from Clark when Clark completely told her all of his.
How is she helping it to happen? Clark is going to bite the dust no matter what Chloe could have done or say.
xrayvision
04-02-2009, 09:43 PM
I think it would be better if he bites the dust at least knowing that Davis is alive than not knowing until the last minute. He may not even bite the dust against Doomsday since that's supposed to happen when he's Superman. Otherwise who will stop Doomsday then? I just don't see this Clark ever killing Doomsday. DD is just too tough for him. Look what Zod & Aldar were doing to him.
Diego*Chloe
04-02-2009, 09:46 PM
It may be just my POV but it wont make any difference knowing or not knowing ;).
SGuthrie27
04-02-2009, 09:58 PM
Wow, I find myself even MORE conflicted in my opinion after reading all your great debating, guys and gals. I still think that Chloe probably did the right thing -- or at least that was her intention, and I can't blame her. What were her options? Let Davis turn into the rampaging monster, bust out of the cage, and potentially wipe out Clark (and her), or pull the lever to at the very least incapacitate, and in her thinking, probably kill Davis before he can hurt them or anyone else (as he has already killed dozens of other people).
On the other hand, looking at how the episode ENDED... I really think she should've told Clark. I think she was right to let Davis stay and all, because then he'd be right where she (and her Justice League friends) would know where to find him. If she put her head together with Clark's, Jonn's, Oliver's, and the others, they'd be bound to come up with SOME way of TRYING to deal with this situation. The black kryptonite idea is the smartest I've heard so far. Even if it was a temporary fix, it would save them some time, because you're right... Davis IS cooperative (for the moment) and truly DOESN'T want to hurt anyone (even though we know he will), so if they had a legitimate way to try to purge the beast or put him someplace where he could have a comfortable life and yet be safely away from all human beings, I think he'd be willing to try it.
--SGuthrie ><>' :)--
Kryptochloe
04-02-2009, 10:04 PM
Is funny how Chloe can be criticized first because she tried to kill Davis (to protect Clark...), and then because she choose to help him... (and protect Clark...)
This girl definitely can't win...
xrayvision
04-02-2009, 10:19 PM
Is funny how Chloe can be criticized first because she tried to kill Davis (to protect Clark...), and then because she choose to help him... (and protect Clark...)
This girl definitely can't win...
I think she's in a crappy spot now. They have done the same to Clark, but much more often (like in Vessel--either kill Lex or be sent to the Phantom Zone).
Pink Hurricane
04-02-2009, 10:39 PM
In the moment, I think the decision Chloe made was right at least from her point of view. Yes, she should tell clark she's harboring Davis, but also I think she knows how he will react and doesn't want to risk him meddling and giving Davis the oportunity to kill him. She thinks Davis is invincible now. That's all that's running through her mind. He's invincible and his goal is to kill Clark. Kryptonite made him STRONGER which is kryptonians weekness. She doesn't know what to do with that. He tells her she is the only thing that can save Clark. I can't blame her for wanting to protect Clark in anyway possible. She locked an incredibly dangerous being in her home. That's pretty brave if you ask me and pretty dedicated to Clark too. From her point of view... she made the right chioce. She's in a crappy spot, just like some of you have said, but she made a decision and I respect that. She's in it to protect Clark. Bottom line.
SGuthrie27
04-02-2009, 10:43 PM
WOO-HOO!!! I agree with EVERYTHING you just said, Pink Hurricane. You ROCK!
--SGuthrie ><>' :)--
Sunny8
04-02-2009, 11:18 PM
I think Chloe made the right choice. Davis is not human just like Brainiac and Bizarro were not human. To kill him was fine. Even Clark has to make a choice, in the future, to kill Davis/Doomsday (if he can) or be killed by him.
borednow
04-02-2009, 11:18 PM
In that one moment, yeah, Davis wanted to die so he would stop killing people... I really have no moral issue with it...
zHeN_zHeN
04-03-2009, 12:28 AM
She had to do what she had to do. Go Chlo! :D
ginnyfan
04-03-2009, 12:35 AM
Well, Chloe killing Davis was more assisted suicide than anything else. I'm sure he told Chloe a lot of info in offscreenville to convince her that it was the only way. If it were me I'd probably urge him to do what he had to do and leave me out of it.
Kschreck
04-03-2009, 12:37 AM
I would have had no problem pulling that switch if it meant possibly saving the world.
Timester
04-03-2009, 03:43 AM
What else was she supposed to do though? I have a feeling people would have been mad at her either way.
1) She does nothing...and people think she is choosing Davis over Clark
2) she takes action.....(which she did) and it backfired on her. So now she's going to lock herself in a basement with a killing machine to protect Clark.
That's why the Superman story is about find always a third way.
luthorian
04-03-2009, 03:55 AM
She saved the world.
Jack-El49
04-03-2009, 03:56 AM
Is funny how Chloe can be criticized first because she tried to kill Davis (to protect Clark...), and then because she choose to help him... (and protect Clark...)
This girl definitely can't win...
Because she's not using her head but instead, thinking with another part of her anatomy. She can't win because she's trying to fool herself into believing she's doing the right thing and has been since Episode 2 when she befriended him.
That's why the Superman story is about find always a third way.
That's exactly right, Bruno. It's always been like that and there have been plenty of situations where Clark has found that 3rd option.
Timester
04-03-2009, 03:57 AM
She saved the world.
But killed Davis.
Again, third way, the Superman way, is about saving both.
BackToTheLies
04-03-2009, 04:25 AM
Because she's not using her head but instead, thinking with another part of her anatomy. She can't win because she's trying to fool herself into believing she's doing the right thing and has been since Episode 2 when she befriended him.
Exactly. This is Chloe not being Chloe. She's supposed to be the go-to for reason and logic, and yet, here she is completely overruled by her feelings at the end of the episode...if not long before that.
"I was in denial" - possibly the first time that line has been delivered from her.
Bizarrolover
04-03-2009, 05:01 AM
Chloe did the wrong thing not because she killed Davis, but because she didn't. Her thoughtlessness made him stronger and immune to the only thing that can kill Clark.
Even though her intentions were good, I think Chloe acted on an impulse, without thinking of the consequences. She knows how hard it is to kill a Kryptonian, and that Doomsday dies and evolves after every death, so the chances that he would come back from this one were pretty high. She believed what Davis said without second thought (really, how could he be so sure that the K would kill him definitively?) and raised his invulnerability to a higher level. Davis also went into that cage knowing that this could fail too so he wasn't a martyr, and his heroics were somehow clouded by the knowledge that he could survive this and come back even stronger.
So the only one who did the right thing in that room was Clark. Pity his superspeed didn't kick in on time to stop her.
workshyslacker
04-03-2009, 05:03 AM
Her action to pull the lever was self-defense. If someone charges you, and you know they're a killer, what will you do? Use that knife in your hand or drop the knife. It was instinct, I don't think she had time to think.
amalie
04-03-2009, 07:06 AM
In that moment, yeah she made the right decision. It was her choice later on that was wrong.
RedKRules
04-03-2009, 07:30 AM
But killed Davis.
Again, third way, the Superman way, is about saving both.
But Chloe is not Superman and neither is Clark......
Tess is Smokin
04-03-2009, 07:32 AM
But Chloe is not Superman and neither is Clark......
but clark is defiantly closer to being superman then chloe
Mickey_Bickey
04-03-2009, 07:36 AM
Only thing that matters is what Chloe knows now! She knows that the kryptonite has made Davis stronger, and that he was sent to Earth to kill Clark. Now she's hiding him in the basement...and not going to tell Clark?? WTF?
Chloe has three strikes, so now she's out!
I'm curious to see what her actions will be in the next episode. She does know everything now, and if she doesn't warn Clark somehow, then I will be very disappointed but not surprised after watching last night's episode.
As far as pulling the lever, she didn't have much of a choice I don't think.
It was the agonizing over her decision and putting her hand to his crying her eyes out that actually bothered me. It shows that she cares too much about him, and she will ultimately betray Clark because of it.
RedKRules
04-03-2009, 07:43 AM
but clark is defiantly closer to being superman then chloe
Chloe is not destinied to be Superman, Clark is ...... so it is OBVIOUS he is closer to be Superman, isnīt that the show has been trying to do for 8 years????
mjs1973
04-03-2009, 08:00 AM
She did what I expected her to do in that moment. She was right in telling Clark that someone has to take matters into their own hands to protect Clark becuase he won't do it. What shocked me was that she stayed in the basement with Davis. Now that is how it ended so we don't exactly know what her motives are, BUT, it totally goes against what Chloe did in Infamous. Even in the episode, she protected Clark and she knows who Davis is. If she was able to pour Kryponite on Davis to save Clark then why stay with Davis at the end? Because she helps him contain the beast? I think Chloe is letting her feelings for Davis cloud her judgement. Again, since that is where the episode ended we don't know the exact nature of why she stayed with him.
I'm more concerned with whether or not she made the right choice in symbolically latching the door.
chlo-el
04-03-2009, 09:32 AM
It was a really really sad choice. It reminded me in Legion when Clark was saying there is always another way and the Legion realized they were taking the easy way out in trying to kill Chloe. I think Chloe did it to protect Clark and the whole world and that was right, but I think Clark was also right and wanting to find another way to save everyone.
and that is very much like Superman who always tries to find another way so he doesn't have to kill someone.
Davis Bloome
04-03-2009, 09:34 AM
Neither, killing him would be morally wrong, he has done nothing wrong. But on the other hand letting him live would come with a lot of responsibility so if you don't prepare for that, or are not ready to commit yourself to those responsibilities, then Chloe shouldn't have gotten involved.
oberyn
04-03-2009, 09:35 AM
Speaking with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, then obviously Chloe's decision was a poor one. Doomsday is stronger than ever and she's taken actions which may have irrevocably damaged her relationship with Clark.
Based on the information she had available to her at the time, though, I can't really fault her for her decision. Davis was asking to be "euthanized" for the sake of the world. It was hardly a selfish decision on her part, or one she made lightly.
mr lane
04-03-2009, 09:38 AM
I think at this point there was nothing else Chloe could have done. Now, if the whole "trying to kill Davis" thing had never happend...and they jumped straight to locking themselves in the basement together. I would have to say no.
But it cant be said that Davis didnt make the nobel effort to do the right thing...and now that they know for sure that he cant be destroyed and Chloe can some how control his "outbursts" then I'm not sure what else Chloe was supposed to do.
If you ask me, she's being incredibly brave....and trying to save the man who (IMO) she loves, and her best friend.
Agreed and I believe it was a last moment resort. When Chloe saw davis about to Hulk out it wasn't as if though she had a day to think about what she wanted to do her insticts took over and she pulled the lever.
And im not sure but were Chloe and Clark aware that Davis comes back invulnerable to whatever kills him? Because if they had that knowledge I think they would have known the kryptonite thing would have been for nothing
Timester
04-03-2009, 09:47 AM
But Chloe is not Superman and neither is Clark......
I didn't said anything about Chloe and Superman way is based on the Kents morals.
Jack-El49
04-03-2009, 09:47 AM
I'm curious to see what her actions will be in the next episode. She does know everything now, and if she doesn't warn Clark somehow, then I will be very disappointed but not surprised after watching last night's episode.
As far as pulling the lever, she didn't have much of a choice I don't think.
It was the agonizing over her decision and putting her hand to his crying her eyes out that actually bothered me. It shows that she cares too much about him, and she will ultimately betray Clark because of it.
I think, as Timester said earlier, there is always a third option that isn't apparent and it's the option Superman normally provides. I don't blame her for pulling the lever but I agree that her chummy relationship with a serial killer is going to be the death of Clark at some point. I guess keeping him like a hamster in the basement is the decision that will change Clark and Chloe's relationship forever. I believe she'll betray him; actually, she sort of has already I think.
Poyntz
04-03-2009, 09:59 AM
I'm not sure why people think her keeping davis in the basement is betraying Clark. Davis told her that he can't die. She knows he is supose to kill clark but Davis told her that she is the only one that can keep him at bay. So in her mind she is trying to protect Clark. Yes it might strain the friendship. but i think she knows that if she lets clark know what is going on he will run in and try to protect HER in return and end up getting killed.
But Hiding out in the basement doesnt do anything for 2 reasons.
1. If she doesn't check in with Clark he's going to be worried and think something is wrong and come looking for her. He'll go to the talon and look for her, how can you hide will with someone with xray vision and super hearing LOL. and hiding someone in the place you live isn't too smart since thats the first place someone will look isnt it?
2. I'm not sure what locking that door would do since he can transform and just knock the thing down lol.
Iluvgreen
04-03-2009, 10:01 AM
It's Doomsday! She should've killed him... but it just made him stronger.
Timester
04-03-2009, 10:03 AM
I'm not sure why people think her keeping davis in the basement is betraying Clark. Davis told her that he can't die. She knows he is supose to kill clark but Davis told her that she is the only one that can keep him at bay. So in her mind she is trying to protect Clark. Yes it might strain the friendship. but i think she knows that if she lets clark know what is going on he will run in and try to protect HER in return and end up getting killed.
But Hiding out in the basement doesnt do anything for 2 reasons.
1. If she doesn't check in with Clark he's going to be worried and think something is wrong and come looking for her. He'll go to the talon and look for her, how can you hide will with someone with xray vision and super hearing LOL. and hiding someone in the place you live isn't too smart since thats the first place someone will look isnt it?
2. I'm not sure what locking that door would do since he can transform and just knock the thing down lol.
She is hiding from Clark a monster that was sent to Earth to kill him. How is that NOT betraying?
Poyntz
04-03-2009, 10:05 AM
and if he knew he was in her basement what exactly would he do? would it make him safer?
costas22
04-03-2009, 10:05 AM
She is hiding from Clark a monster that was sent to Earth to kill him. How is that NOT betraying?
It's not because he tells her that the only time he can hide the monster is when she is near him.It's not betrayal.It's more like getting caught between a rock and a hard place.The Judas analogy was bad to begin with.
Poyntz
04-03-2009, 10:08 AM
The information she has is.... Davis will kill clark and doesn't have any control over it but she is the only person that can keep him from turning into the monster. so keeping him in the basement until she can figure out what to do makes sence to me. To me betraying him would be comspiring with him on killing clark not hiding him trying to protect clark.
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And we all know if she told Clark he was there right now he would run in to protect her and get himself killed.. and she knows that too.
Timester
04-03-2009, 10:10 AM
and if he knew he was in her basement what exactly would he do? would it make him safer?
Yes? What would be your reaction if your neighbor had a nuke in his basement?
melissan02
04-03-2009, 10:10 AM
I think, as Timester said earlier, there is always a third option that isn't apparent and it's the option Superman normally provides. I don't blame her for pulling the lever but I agree that her chummy relationship with a serial killer is going to be the death of Clark at some point. I guess keeping him like a hamster in the basement is the decision that will change Clark and Chloe's relationship forever. I believe she'll betray him; actually, she sort of has already I think.Yes she's betrayed him! When she slid that lock on the door, she sealed her own fate. Just as Judas did when he accepted 30 pieces of silver to turn Jesus over to Romans! (*points to avi)
Most might try to put a spin on her decision that she's keeping Davis locked up to protect Clark because she loves him, but she's going to keep mum about it. So, if she loved Clark so much, why doesn't she tell him? She now knows that kryptonite has made Davis stronger, and she certainly knows that he was sent to kill Clark...it's betrayal at it's worst!
AndiGirl
04-03-2009, 10:12 AM
She is hiding from Clark a monster that was sent to Earth to kill him. How is that NOT betraying?
Because she is doing it FOR Clark. If he knew Davis was still alive...I have no doubt in my mind he would want to help and find a "cure" for Davis.
But Chloe knows Clark cant be apart of this, and he certainly wouldnt be too happy about Chloe being locked in a basement with a killing machine.
Thats why she's keeping it a secret....right now, Chloe is Davis's only shot at controling this. They know having Clark around just seems to make it worse.
So the choices are:
1) Dont help Davis....and in turn, leave her best friend at risk
2) Help Davis....which will hopefully keep "dooms" at bay (according to chloes line of thinking) and help her best friend.
I just dont think its as simple as saying :"Yea, Chloe isnt telling Clark....she's betraying him."
costas22
04-03-2009, 10:12 AM
So, if she loved Clark so much, why doesn't she tell him? She now knows that kryptonite has made Davis stronger, and she certainly knows that he was sent to kill Clark...it's betrayal at it's worst! <!-- / message -->
And what will Clark do if she tells him?Figure out a way to be brothers with the guy?
Poyntz
04-03-2009, 10:13 AM
Yes? What would be your reaction if your neighbor had a nuke in his basement?
LOL..not the same thing. There is no way for chloe to dismantle the monster and dispose of it safely. or she would of by now.
melissan02
04-03-2009, 10:13 AM
It's not because he tells her that the only time he can hide the monster is when she is near him.It's not betrayal.It's more like getting caught between a rock and a hard place.The Judas analogy was bad to begin with.
It's not a rock and a hard place when you know this beast was sent to kill your best friend, yet you keep mum about it! And that friends is betrayal.
AndiGirl
04-03-2009, 10:13 AM
Yes she's betrayed him! When she slid that lock on the door, she sealed her own fate. Just as Judas did when he accepted 30 pieces of silver to turn Jesus over to Romans! (*points to avi)
Most might try to put a spin on her decision that she's keeping Davis locked up to protect Clark because she loves him, but she's going to keep mum about it. So, if she loved Clark so much, why doesn't she tell him? She now knows that kryptonite has made Davis stronger, and she certainly knows that he was sent to kill Clark...it's betrayal at it's worst!
Because there's no way Clark would let Chloe put herself in harms way like this. But she knows it's their last shot....and she has to take it.
Poyntz
04-03-2009, 10:14 AM
Because she is doing it FOR Clark. If he knew Davis was still alive...I have no doubt in my mind he would want to help and find a "cure" for Davis.
But Chloe knows Clark cant be apart of this, and he certainly wouldnt be too happy about Chloe being locked in a basement with a killing machine.
Thats why she's keeping it a secret....right now, Chloe is Davis's only shot at controling this. They know having Clark around just seems to make it worse.
So the choices are:
1) Dont help Davis....and in turn, leave her best friend at risk
2) Help Davis....which will hopefully keep "dooms" at bay (according to chloes line of thinking) and help her best friend.
I just dont think its as simple as saying :"Yea, Chloe isnt telling Clark....she's betraying him."
Exactly Andi!
mr lane
04-03-2009, 10:15 AM
Yes she's betrayed him! When she slid that lock on the door, she sealed her own fate. Just as Judas did when he accepted 30 pieces of silver to turn Jesus over to Romans! (*points to avi)
Most might try to put a spin on her decision that she's keeping Davis locked up to protect Clark because she loves him, but she's going to keep mum about it. So, if she loved Clark so much, why doesn't she tell him? She now knows that kryptonite has made Davis stronger, and she certainly knows that he was sent to kill Clark...it's betrayal at it's worst!
You know I love you Mel but how is Chloe locking herself in with Davis the same as Judas taking money to turn on Jesus? Chloe isn't accepting anything to turn Clark over to Davis.
I do agree that Chloe should have told Clark that Davis was still alive and immune to Kryptonite but maybe we'll see that in later episodes.
I think shes trying to figure something out before she runs to Clark.
When Clark figured out that Chloe had taken Davis to the lab the first thing he did was run over there and burst in like an idiot which caused Davis to hulk out, maybe chloe thinks Clark will do the same thing then they'll be right back where they started but this time they dont have kryptonite as a back up.
Timester
04-03-2009, 10:16 AM
Because she is doing it FOR Clark. If he knew Davis was still alive...I have no doubt in my mind he would want to help and find a "cure" for Davis
Yes, I'm going to start hiding bombs on my cave for the good of my nephew.
costas22
04-03-2009, 10:17 AM
It's not a rock and a hard place when you know this beast was sent to kill your best friend, yet you keep mum about it! And that friends is betrayal.
I asked you before.What would Clark do if he knew?She told him that she wouldn't allow his good will for everyone allow Doomsday to threaten the world.Or was she supposed to deny Davis the basement and let him out on the loose again?That's why i am saying that she is been put in an unenviable position.I still don't see the betrayal.Not until Beast airs anyway.
Timester
04-03-2009, 10:17 AM
LOL..not the same thing. There is no way for chloe to dismantle the monster and dispose of it safely. or she would of by now.
It's not? Both can destroy cities in seconds.
Poyntz
04-03-2009, 10:17 AM
Besides. We don't know how long or whats she's going to do with all her information. She litterly just found out he was alive a few minutes before.
melissan02
04-03-2009, 10:20 AM
You know I love you Mel but how is Chloe locking herself in with Davis the same as Judas taking money to turn on Jesus? Chloe isn't accepting anything to turn Clark over to Davis.
I do agree that Chloe should have told Clark that Davis was still alive and immune to Kryptonite but maybe we'll see that in later episodes.
I think shes trying to figure something out before she runs to Clark.
When Clark figured out that Chloe had taken Davis to the lab the first thing he did was run over there and burst in like an idiot which caused Davis to hulk out, maybe chloe thinks Clark will do the same thing then they'll be right back where they started but this time they dont have kryptonite as a back up.You know I love you too;)...but I'm sorry, I stand behind her actions as betrayal because she's not going to tell Clark. No, she's not accepting anything in return as Judas did, but the comparison I was making was the betrayal.
Poyntz
04-03-2009, 10:22 AM
It's not? Both can't destroy cities in seconds.
She is not keeping him in the basement as a weopon like a "neighbor" would. She is keeping in her because she can't think of anything else right now to keep clark and the world safe and as far as she knows she keeps the monster from distroying. With a Nuke there is no good reason to keep it in the basement. Its not trying to distroy the world. Its the people operating it that are distroying the world. which means the neighbor is distroying the world. CHloe is trying to keep the monster from distroying.
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LOL.. I think we can basically all agree to disagree :)
AndiGirl
04-03-2009, 10:23 AM
You know I love you Mel but how is Chloe locking herself in with Davis the same as Judas taking money to turn on Jesus? Chloe isn't accepting anything to turn Clark over to Davis.
I do agree that Chloe should have told Clark that Davis was still alive and immune to Kryptonite but maybe we'll see that in later episodes.
I think shes trying to figure something out before she runs to Clark.
When Clark figured out that Chloe had taken Davis to the lab the first thing he did was run over there and burst in like an idiot which caused Davis to hulk out, maybe chloe thinks Clark will do the same thing then they'll be right back where they started but this time they dont have kryptonite as a back up.
Nicely put Josh! :)
I'm still not sure if Chloe will tell Clark....just because he's going to want in on it. And like we saw....Clark being around Davis=Doomy. And he's definitely not going to feel good about his best friend being locked up with the ultimate killing machine.
But I think after she's had some time to figure things out, she will let Clark in on it. Right now....all she knows is what Davis is telling her. That some how being near her controls the beast inside.
I think she owes it to everyone to atleast give it a shot....
But I seriously doubt she will keep it from Clark for too long, and if she does...I cant honestly blame her. :\
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Yes, I'm going to start hiding bombs on my cave for the good of my nephew.
:lol: What?!
Sorry hun, you lost me....
Poyntz
04-03-2009, 10:25 AM
She might confide in Oliver or Jon's maybe. .. But again maybe not.
RedKRules
04-03-2009, 10:25 AM
Because she is doing it FOR Clark. If he knew Davis was still alive...I have no doubt in my mind he would want to help and find a "cure" for Davis.
But Chloe knows Clark cant be apart of this, and he certainly wouldnt be too happy about Chloe being locked in a basement with a killing machine.
Thats why she's keeping it a secret....right now, Chloe is Davis's only shot at controling this. They know having Clark around just seems to make it worse.
So the choices are:
1) Dont help Davis....and in turn, leave her best friend at risk
2) Help Davis....which will hopefully keep "dooms" at bay (according to chloes line of thinking) and help her best friend.
I just dont think its as simple as saying :"Yea, Chloe isnt telling Clark....she's betraying him."
I totally agree with you Andi :D ;)
costas22
04-03-2009, 10:28 AM
I know that over the course of the season TPTB have given us plenty of reasons to rip on Chloe but this isn't one of them.Not when she leaves to tell Clark and he tells her flat out that he will kill Clark.And she just found out that he is immune to Kryptonite too.If she was going to betray Clark she might as well never pulled the lever down.
chlo-el
04-03-2009, 10:30 AM
Speaking with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, then obviously Chloe's decision was a poor one. Doomsday is stronger than ever and she's taken actions which may have irrevocably damaged her relationship with Clark.
Based on the information she had available to her at the time, though, I can't really fault her for her decision. Davis was asking to be "euthanized" for the sake of the world. It was hardly a selfish decision on her part, or one she made lightly.
So true. Chloe would have no way of knowing that itwouldn't work.
Timester
04-03-2009, 10:38 AM
She is not keeping him in the basement as a weopon like a "neighbor" would. She is keeping in her because she can't think of anything else right now to keep clark and the world safe and as far as she knows she keeps the monster from distroying. With a Nuke there is no good reason to keep it in the basement. Its not trying to distroy the world. Its the people operating it that are distroying the world. which means the neighbor is distroying the world. CHloe is trying to keep the monster from distroying.
So, nukes can't malfunction and blow up or leak radiation. Check.
So I don't have to be scared about Chloe not controlling... Oh, ops, wait, Davis kidnaps Jimmy and Ollie, blackmails Chloe to leave town and Doomsday breaks free and spreads destruction across the country. No, no means to be scared at all.
Chloe is hiding a being that RESSURECTED from a green K-shower, a being sent to Earth to kill Clark.
AndiGirl
04-03-2009, 10:42 AM
So, nukes can't malfunction and blow up or leak radiation. Check.
So I don't have to be scared about Chloe not controlling... Oh, ops, wait, Davis kidnaps Jimmy and Ollie, blackmails Chloe to leave town and Doomsday breaks free and spreads destruction across the country. No, no means to be scared at all.
Chloe is hiding a being that RESSURECTED from a green K-shower, a being sent to Earth to kill Clark.
But you are acting like Chloe was given a script to her life that spells all of this out for her!
She is doing what she thinks is best....and at this point, maybe it is whats best? I think thats the problem....WE all know it's going to end badly....but of course Chloe has no idea.
And yes Davis does kidnap Ollie and Jimmy to get Chloe to leave with him. So maybe....just maybe....that means her method worked, but she isnt willing to spend the rest of her life with him??
Which, if thats the case....I'm sure everyone will be mad when she LEAVES Davis's side....because she will be "selfish" and "put Clark at risk." Seriously, Chloe cant win with some people. :\
mr lane
04-03-2009, 10:42 AM
No. What she did was make Davis immortal now AND he's now invunerable to Kryptonite. What Chloe did was just seal Clark's death. Thanks a lot Chloe.
Davis was immortal before Chloe juiced him in green slim
sooner or later Davis would have been exposed to kryptonite and come back stronger from it, it just happened sooner than later
Timester
04-03-2009, 10:46 AM
But you are acting like Chloe was given a script to her life that spells all of this out for her!
Doesn't Chloe know that he killed hundreds?
Doesn't Chloe know that he was sent to Earth to kill Clark?
Doesn't Chloe know that he just RESSURECTED?
Killed hundreds + sent to Earth to kill Clark + RESSURECTED = Let's hide him and pray?
When did Chloe became that dumb?
costas22
04-03-2009, 10:46 AM
Davis was immortal before Chloe juiced him in green slim
sooner or later Davis would have been exposed to kryptonite and come back stronger from it, it just happened sooner than later
Love the avatar!I agree.Tess and Chloe did make him stronger,but that was going to happen one way or another.
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Killed hundreds + sent to Earth to kill Clark + RESSURECTED = Let's hide him and pray?
No,let's leave him on the loose and pray he doesn't kill Clark.
Fallen One
04-03-2009, 10:49 AM
Clark doesn't need Chloe's protection. Thats what she doesn't get through her brain. If Clark or the world needs Chloe's protection, then Clark and the world are doomed from the start.
Her "protection" doesn't help the world because when she goes to work everyday and leaves the basement Davis could just as easily think about Clark and then feel the urge to kill innocent people, not to mention that um, he's unpretictable, extremely dangerous, and untamable. Does she really think she's so AWESOME that her love can cure this? Its so naive that its laughable. Her "protection" doesn't help Clark because he is clueless to a great danger thats still present. He's blind, deaf, and dumb of everything thats going on in the little shop of horrors. Thus, he has no urgency of finding a solution for the problem since he doesn't think the problem no longer exists.
The kind of "protecting" she's attempting doesn't help ANYONE but Davis and her own ego.
It helps Davis because it helps him and Chloe spend even more time together, giving him more time to further corrupt what little morals she stills has. Plus his obsession and obvious desire for her will now be satisfied. And as for Chloe this allows her to play the martyr. Her desire to be needed and wanted is something that Davis provides in spades. He's her new pet project and she loves that and will cling to that no matter what.
I can't be more clear than this: Protecting someone does not mean to keeping an alien infection that turns you into a lunatic and destroys your life (Brainiac), protecting someone does not mean MURDERING for them (Sabastian), and protecting someone does not mean taking it upon yourself to be the mother of a killing machine and hiding the evil you do with him from people you claim to care about (Davis).
Protecting Clark is an excuse she has used all this season to justify her actions. Clark doesn't need that type of protection, he never has. And he would never approve. And when he finds out all that she's done this..friendship..is.. over.
Timester
04-03-2009, 10:50 AM
No,let's leave him on the loose and pray he doesn't kill Clark.
Third option, ask help to Clark and JLA and send Davis to the Moon or whatever.
Dustmite
04-03-2009, 10:51 AM
You know I love you too;)...but I'm sorry, I stand behind her actions as betrayal because she's not going to tell Clark. No, she's not accepting anything in return as Judas did, but the comparison I was making was the betrayal.
She's not betraying him. Full stop.
Tess is Smokin
04-03-2009, 10:52 AM
Clark doesn't need Chloe's protection. Thats what she doesn't get through her brain. If Clark or the world needs Chloe's protection, then Clark and the world are doomed from the start.
-It doesn't help the world because when she goes to work everyday and leaves the basement Davis could just as easily think about Clark and then feel the urge to kill innocent people.
-It doesn't help Clark because he is clueless to a great danger thats still present. He's blind, deaf, and dumb of everything thats going on in the little shop of horrors. Thus, he has no urgency of finding a solution for the problem since he doesn't think the problem no longer exists.
The kind of "protecting" she's attempting doesn't help ANYONE but Davis and her own ego.
It helps Davis because it helps him and Chloe spend even more time together, giving him more time to further corrupt what little morals she stills has. Plus his obsession and obvious desire for her will now be satisfied. And as for Chloe this allows her to play the martyr. Her desire to be needed and wanted is something that Davis provides in spades. He's her new pet project and she loves that and will cling to that no matter what.
I can't be more clear than this: Protecting someone does not mean to keeping an alien infection that turns you into a lunatic and destroys your life (Brainiac), protecting someone does not mean MURDERING for them (Sabastian), and protecting someone does not mean taking it upon yourself to be the mother of a killing machine and hiding the evil you do with him from people you claim to care about (Davis).
Protecting Clark is an excuse she has used all this season to justify her actions. Clark doesn't need that type of protection, he never has. And he would never approve. And when he finds out all that she's done..friendship..is.. over.
totally agree. Remember the last episode what tha hell was Chloe doing up on the roof. she ended up getting suck into Zatannas spell..... totally unnecessary she had no businesses being there! and ended up getting saved as usual.
costas22
04-03-2009, 10:53 AM
Third option, ask help to Clark and JLA and send Davis to the Moon or whatever.
What would be the point of the season finale and the Season 9 premiere then;)?Hey she just locked the guy in there!Let's see how she handles it from now on.
Dustmite
04-03-2009, 10:55 AM
Clark doesn't need Chloe's protection. Thats what she doesn't get through her brain. If Clark or the world needs Chloe's protection, then Clark and the world are doomed from the start.
Her "protection" doesn't help the world because when she goes to work everyday and leaves the basement Davis could just as easily think about Clark and then feel the urge to kill innocent people, not to mention that um, he's unpretictable, extremely dangerous, and untamable. Does she really think she's so AWESOME that her love can cure this? Its so naive that its laughable. Her "protection" doesn't help Clark because he is clueless to a great danger thats still present. He's blind, deaf, and dumb of everything thats going on in the little shop of horrors. Thus, he has no urgency of finding a solution for the problem since he doesn't think the problem no longer exists.
The kind of "protecting" she's attempting doesn't help ANYONE but Davis and her own ego.
It helps Davis because it helps him and Chloe spend even more time together, giving him more time to further corrupt what little morals she stills has. Plus his obsession and obvious desire for her will now be satisfied. And as for Chloe this allows her to play the martyr. Her desire to be needed and wanted is something that Davis provides in spades. He's her new pet project and she loves that and will cling to that no matter what.
I can't be more clear than this: Protecting someone does not mean to keeping an alien infection that turns you into a lunatic and destroys your life (Brainiac), protecting someone does not mean MURDERING for them (Sabastian), and protecting someone does not mean taking it upon yourself to be the mother of a killing machine and hiding the evil you do with him from people you claim to care about (Davis).
Protecting Clark is an excuse she has used all this season to justify her actions. Clark doesn't need that type of protection, he never has. And he would never approve. And when he finds out all that she's done..friendship..is.. over.
No. Chloe sis not the one who has gne on and on about wanting to be special and needed and wanted this season so no.
mr lane
04-03-2009, 10:58 AM
What would be the point of the season finale and the Season 9 premiere then;)?Hey she just locked the guy in there!Let's see how she handles it from now on.
exactly
but i guess chloe should have kicked him out, made him feel more like crap which would cause him to hulk out even more, he cant go to clark so he would have been on an even bigger massive killing spree all while chloe runs to clark so that he might ask for help from the JLA so that they can either waste time coming up with a plan (causing more people to die) or so that can clark can head into battle and just die
AndiGirl
04-03-2009, 11:00 AM
Doesn't Chloe know that he killed hundreds?
Doesn't Chloe know that he was sent to Earth to kill Clark?
Doesn't Chloe know that he just RESSURECTED?
Killed hundreds + sent to Earth to kill Clark + RESSURECTED = Let's hide him and pray?
When did Chloe became that dumb?
You just kind of made my point though....
Chloe DOES know he has killed hundreds of people...
She DOES know he was sent to earth to kill Clark...
And she DOES know he was just given a Kryptonite bath....and came back stronger.
All of these spell what?? Disaster for Clark! Her best friend.....
She isnt hiding him and praying. Davis flat out told her as long as she's around he wont kill Clark. Which we saw in the talon. When Clark walked in Davis stayed by her side....and when he walked by Clark he couldnt even look at him. Then when he was in the kryptonite box...Chloe was a good distance away, and Clark was right next to the box. He freaked out.
She is doing the only thing she can at this point. I think we need to see how it plays out...I mean....she just locked the door. We really have no idea whats going to happen. I'm just willing to give Chloe the benefit of the doubt. And yes....right now...I think she's being incredibly brave.
Tess is Smokin
04-03-2009, 11:00 AM
No. Chloe sis not the one who has gne on and on about wanting to be special and needed and wanted this season so no.
well thats because she's been missing a purpose the entire season, maybe she gave up? people do that after 7 years
Night_Hawk90
04-03-2009, 11:04 AM
You just kind of made my point though....
Chloe DOES know he has killed hundreds of people...
She DOES know he was sent to earth to kill Clark...
And she DOES know he was just given a Kryptonite bath....and came back stronger.
All of these spell what?? Disaster for Clark! Her best friend.....
She isnt hiding him and praying. Davis flat out told her as long as she's around he wont kill Clark. Which we saw in the talon. When Clark walked in Davis stayed by her side....and when he walked by Clark he couldnt even look at him. Then when he was in the kryptonite box...Chloe was a good distance away, and Clark was right next to the box. He freaked out.
She is doing the only thing she can at this point. I think we need to see how it plays out...I mean....she just locked the door. We really have no idea whats going to happen. I'm just willing to give Chloe the benefit of the doubt. And yes....right now...I think she's being incredibly brave.
while i respect your opinion i have to disagree with you when you say shes been incredbily brave, i think shes being incredibly stupid but thats jmo
Dustmite
04-03-2009, 11:04 AM
well thats because she's been missing a purpose the entire season, maybe she gave up? people do that after 7 years
:confused:
Tess is Smokin
04-03-2009, 11:05 AM
:confused:
No. Chloe sis not the one who has gne on and on about wanting to be special and needed
Theres your reply.
AndiGirl
04-03-2009, 11:06 AM
Clark doesn't need Chloe's protection. Thats what she doesn't get through her brain. If Clark or the world needs Chloe's protection, then Clark and the world are doomed from the start.
Her "protection" doesn't help the world because when she goes to work everyday and leaves the basement Davis could just as easily think about Clark and then feel the urge to kill innocent people, not to mention that um, he's unpretictable, extremely dangerous, and untamable. Does she really think she's so AWESOME that her love can cure this? Its so naive that its laughable. Her "protection" doesn't help Clark because he is clueless to a great danger thats still present. He's blind, deaf, and dumb of everything thats going on in the little shop of horrors. Thus, he has no urgency of finding a solution for the problem since he doesn't think the problem no longer exists.
The kind of "protecting" she's attempting doesn't help ANYONE but Davis and her own ego.
It helps Davis because it helps him and Chloe spend even more time together, giving him more time to further corrupt what little morals she stills has. Plus his obsession and obvious desire for her will now be satisfied. And as for Chloe this allows her to play the martyr. Her desire to be needed and wanted is something that Davis provides in spades. He's her new pet project and she loves that and will cling to that no matter what.
I can't be more clear than this: Protecting someone does not mean to keeping an alien infection that turns you into a lunatic and destroys your life (Brainiac), protecting someone does not mean MURDERING for them (Sabastian), and protecting someone does not mean taking it upon yourself to be the mother of a killing machine and hiding the evil you do with him from people you claim to care about (Davis).
Protecting Clark is an excuse she has used all this season to justify her actions. Clark doesn't need that type of protection, he never has. And he would never approve. And when he finds out all that she's done this..friendship..is.. over.
I can agree with that...Chloe doesnt need to protect Clark. But thats how they have always been. He over steps his boundaries constantly to "protect" her too. They are best friends....thats what they do.
I think you are just assuming a lot at this point. We dont know anything...she JUST locked the door.
Chloe may not go to work....or she could work from the basement. She is watchtower now after all.....get her a computer set up, and she's ready to go.
I'm not saying she has all the answers....she obviously doesnt. But at least she's trying to be proactive about it....and find a way to stop her best friend from giong up against the big bad. ;)
workshyslacker
04-03-2009, 11:06 AM
No. Chloe sis not the one who has gne on and on about wanting to be special and needed and wanted this season so no.
Dusti, why do you have to bring Lois into this? I don't understand why there's so much animosity between Lois and Chloe fans. Why can't we just co-exist?
AndiGirl
04-03-2009, 11:07 AM
while i respect your opinion i have to disagree with you when you say shes been incredbily brave, i think shes being incredibly stupid but thats jmo
Thats fine. We can agree to disagree. ;)
mr lane
04-03-2009, 11:09 AM
Dusti, why do you have to bring Lois into this? I don't understand why there's so much animosity between Lois and Chloe fans. Why can't we just co-exist?
agreed thats why i ignored that post, no relevance to the discussion at hand
BadToad
04-03-2009, 11:10 AM
I personally picked "I don't know", but honestly, how does Chloe think this is going to work?
Is she going to stay with Davis 24/7, and thereby keep him calm? If not, how can she be sure what he'll do when she's not there?
Does she actually believe that housing Davis in the basement of a coffee shop that is frequented by unsuspecting people is a good idea? Really? I KNOW Chloe is smarter then that. I know it.
If she, for any reason, loses track of Davis, then she's left Clark completely oblivious, and completely unaware of the newest developments with Davis. He's already vulnerable, but Chloe has now upped the risk.
I'm not bashing Chloe. I can believe that she actually thinks she's protecting Clark. But I just find her logic faulty, and I suspect its clouded by her feelings for Davis, not Clark.
If Chloe had left town with Davis that very night, to parts unknown, I think I would understand her position a bit better. If protecting Clark is the goal, then get Davis as far away from him as you possibly can.
I don't know, but I really wish this show would stop having people do dubious things in the name of protecting Clark. It makes them look shady, and it makes Clark look like he's unable to fend for himself. JMO
Davis Bloome
04-03-2009, 11:14 AM
Who knows if she'll leave town with him, it wouldn't surprise me. And it would be an nice twist. But I don't think she has to stay with him 24/7. After all, It's not like he becomes the monster every hour of the day. Probably she will stay most of the time with him, what else does she have to do? Work as watchtower I guess. But yeah I'm sure controlling Davis won't be easy for her, but she's brave for trying. But no doubt she's also doing it not just to save Clark but also for selfish reasons. She's flawed, but so is everyone imo even Clark as superman.
Dustmite
04-03-2009, 11:15 AM
Dusti, why do you have to bring Lois into this? I don't understand why there's so much animosity between Lois and Chloe fans. Why can't we just co-exist?
I was using words from Cedric's post. He said that Chloe was doing this to feel important, to feel special and needed. Wanted. I don't see any of that. And she's not the character to say those words this season so I have no idea where he got that impression from. Some clarity would be nice.
*sigh*
Let's forget about it.
(I really can't type fast and still spell as my last post shows:\)
Back on topic. I don't think she made the right decision but she made the one she thought best to protect Clark and I really can't fault her for that. I'm just worried about how she is going to come through this. Smallville has a habit of putting their characters through things that are horrible and then pretending they never happened. This is going to take some recovering.
AndiGirl
04-03-2009, 11:16 AM
Dusti, why do you have to bring Lois into this? I don't understand why there's so much animosity between Lois and Chloe fans. Why can't we just co-exist?
If it helps I'm an equal Chloe and Lois fan...
but as for WHY people feel the need to fight over the two. One word..."CLARK." :lol:
Tess is Smokin
04-03-2009, 11:16 AM
Dusti, why do you have to bring Lois into this? I don't understand why there's so much animosity between Lois and Chloe fans. Why can't we just co-exist?
I love it when you jump the gun to back Lois up:rotfl::lol:
You go girl
workshyslacker
04-03-2009, 11:18 AM
I was using words from Cedric's post. He said that Chloe was doing this to feel important, to feel special and needed. Wanted. I don't see any of that. And she's not the character to say those words this season so I have no idea where he got that impression from. Some clarity would be nice.
*sigh*
Let's forget about it.
Okay. ;)
Just thought that Lana was the common enemy :p. Joking.
mr lane
04-03-2009, 11:18 AM
If it helps I'm an equal Chloe and Lois fan...
but as for WHY people feel the need to fight over the two. One word..."CLARK." :lol:
but we all know clark is only destined for one of the two;)
ok i better stop
clois league unlimited!!
oh...sorry wrong thread
chloe locking davis in the basement with her = no motive yet for a betryal
BillBoeBaggins
04-03-2009, 11:19 AM
That's why the Superman story is about find always a third way.
It's easy to sit back and consider your options when your practically invulnerable to everything.
workshyslacker
04-03-2009, 11:21 AM
I love it when you jump the gun to back Lois up:rotfl::lol:
You go girl
I'm not sure how to take this comment, Jon. ;)
If it helps I'm an equal Chloe and Lois fan...
but as for WHY people feel the need to fight over the two. One word..."CLARK." :lol:
but we all know clark is only destined for one of the two;)
ok i better stop
clois league unlimited!!
oh...sorry wrong thread
Ollie! Um-wrong thread. :D
AndiGirl
04-03-2009, 11:21 AM
but we all know clark is only destined for one of the two;)
ok i better stop
clois league unlimited!!
oh...sorry wrong thread
chloe locking davis in the basement with her = no motive yet for a betryal
ITA! :)
Hence....the reason why I dont feel the need to fight over the two! :lol:
Dustmite
04-03-2009, 11:21 AM
Okay. ;)
Just thought that Lana was the common enemy :p. Joking.
:D
Nah. I feel for Lana because the writers wrote that character to destruction and in the end I couldn't even blame her anymore.
AndiGirl
04-03-2009, 11:22 AM
I just people would at least consider other options and sides to the story. It's exhausting to constantly be the one willing to admitt when someone else could be right. To only never have it reciprocated. I think I just have to give up the fight! :lol:
Dustmite
04-03-2009, 11:23 AM
I love it when you jump the gun to back Lois up:rotfl::lol:
It's the same when Chloe fans feel the need to back her up when she's being painted as Satan :)
Tess is Smokin
04-03-2009, 11:24 AM
I'm not sure how to take this comment, Jon. ;)
Ollie! Um-wrong thread. :D
just take it as a compliment :rolleyes:
It's the same when Chloe fans feel the need to back her up when she's being painted as Satan :)
by pointing fingers are Lois? thats low.
mr lane
04-03-2009, 11:24 AM
It's the same when Chloe fans feel the need to back her up when she's being painted as Satan :)
chloe - satan?
NEVER i love her i wanna take her out for lunch and hold her hand
workshyslacker
04-03-2009, 11:27 AM
just take it as a compliment :rolleyes:
Sure.;)
chloe - satan?
NEVER i love her i wanna take her out for lunch and hold her hand
First it's Lois, NOW it's Chloe. You, sir, are a cad.:p
mr lane
04-03-2009, 11:27 AM
I'm not sure how to take this comment, Jon. ;)
Ollie! Um-wrong thread. :D
:lol:
Dustmite
04-03-2009, 11:27 AM
chloe - satan?
NEVER i love her i wanna take her out for lunch and hold her hand
:D
I just want her happy and that means nowhere near Doomy.
workshyslacker
04-03-2009, 11:28 AM
:D
I just want her happy and that means nowhere near Doomy.
Yeah. I'm not buying this dra-ma. Where's George when you need him? He was cute. :D
Dustmite
04-03-2009, 11:28 AM
Sure.;)
First it's Lois, NOW it's Chloe. You, sir are a cad.:p
Well, you can't blame a guy for trying. I wouldn't say no to a Clark-Ollie sandwich, ya know ;)
Yeah. I'm not buying this dra-ma. Where's George when you need him? He was cute.
Smallville isn't happy unless it's mired in drama. Superman show. It should be happy not this dark.
mr lane
04-03-2009, 11:28 AM
Sure.;)
First it's Lois, NOW it's Chloe. You, sir are a cad.:p
you mis understand me!!!
im just saying it wouldnt be so bad to take chloe out for lunch
but lois would be the one i would want to take....other places;)
thehenry89
04-03-2009, 11:31 AM
you mis understand me!!!
im just saying it wouldnt be so bad to take chloe out for lunch
but lois would be the one i would want to take....other places;)
:rotfl:
For a second there I thought you were ditching Lois :p shouda known better
workshyslacker
04-03-2009, 11:32 AM
Well, you can't blame a guy for trying. I wouldn't say no to a Clark-Ollie sandwich, ya know ;)
Smallville isn't happy unless it's mired in drama. Superman show. It should be happy not this dark.
Yeah, what's with all the angst? I have no trouble deciding that my sandwich comes in vigilante colours.
you mis understand me!!!
im just saying it wouldnt be so bad to take chloe out for lunch
but lois would be the one i would want to take....other places;)
To the moon and back? You sly dog! :D
BadToad
04-03-2009, 11:32 AM
If it helps I'm an equal Chloe and Lois fan...
but as for WHY people feel the need to fight over the two. One word..."CLARK."
And I'm not quite sure why that is considering so many don't seem to even like Clark, or at least think much of him. Its like fighting over a toy neither side really enjoys playing with much just so they can claim victory at having it.
Anyway, back to the topic...
mr lane
04-03-2009, 11:35 AM
Yeah, what's with all the angst? I have no trouble deciding that my sandwich comes in vigilante colours.
To the moon and back? You sly dog! :D
to the moon and beyond!! stars is all lois would ever see ;););)
i wonder how chloe feels towards jimmy now
thehenry89
04-03-2009, 11:36 AM
And I'm not quite sure why that is considering so many don't seem to even like Clark, or at least think much of him. Its like fighting over a toy neither side really enjoys playing with much just so they can claim victory at having it.
ITA
as big a clois fan as I am, to me Clark comes first.
workshyslacker
04-03-2009, 11:38 AM
ITA
as big a clois fan as I am, to me Clark comes first.
IA, and that's why I'm so disappointed.:\
Alania
04-03-2009, 11:53 AM
If it helps I'm an equal Chloe and Lois fan...
but as for WHY people feel the need to fight over the two. One word..."CLARK." :lol:
It seems that this has gotten worse after Hex, with Chloe's wish, and i can tell u is not all about Clark. I'm not even posting a lot, cause i got into trouble last night for trying to deffend Lois, but this animosity on both sides has certainly increased.
Anyway, to answer the thread, i think she made the right choice. Like Clark said before killing Brainiac: "you're not a man, you're a machine". Chloe wasn't trying to kill a human being, she was trying to stop that "thing" from getting to Clark. Only she didn't know "what doesn't kill u, makes u stronger" works every single time for Davis.
SV'S_immortal_hero
04-03-2009, 12:01 PM
never mind the fact chloe thinks shes protecting clark, doesnt she know harboring a serial killer will land her in jail? shes preverting the course of justice
Tompouce
04-03-2009, 12:01 PM
It seems that this has gotten worse after Hex, with Chloe's wish, and i can tell u is not all about Clark. I'm not even posting a lot, cause i got into trouble last night for trying to deffend Lois, but this animosity on both sides has certainly increased.
Anyway, to answer the thread, i thinks she made the right choice. Like Clark said before killing Brainiac: "you're not a man, you're a machine". Chloe wasn't trying to kill a human being, she was trying to stop that "thing" from getting to Clark. Only she didn't know "what doesn't kill u, makes u stronger" works every single time for Davis.
I was there to say exactly the same. Chloe made the right choice.
It is like (okay, he was a human being but well...)knowing Hitler and what is going on and do nothing at all.
I really wonder if sometimes even if such a choice makes you become a killer is not the right one. I mean one Hitler and million of people, see the choice ? It is hard to answer but in the case of Chloe, it is quite the same.
1. This "man" is here to kill her best friend,
2. She has already seen what he is capable of
3. You can easily see what will be the following step
4. They know for sure (Clark included), he is the ultimate destroyer (even if I really hesitate to say if they really realize about "the beast") and that you can call him "doomsday".
To me, honestly, the choice is obvious.
mr lane
04-03-2009, 12:02 PM
never mind the fact chloe thinks shes protecting clark, doesnt she know harboring a serial killer will land her in jail? shes preverting the course of justice
Justice?
because im sure the PD can handle Doomsday and wouldn't think Chloe was crazy for telling them he's a destroyer from another planet :lol:
Tess is Smokin
04-03-2009, 12:04 PM
ITA
as big a clois fan as I am, to me Clark comes first.
Thats why i stay out of ships. you can never really cheer for a ship if you don't like the two people equally . just my Opinion.
Kryptochloe
04-03-2009, 12:05 PM
Because she's not using her head but instead, thinking with another part of her anatomy. She can't win because she's trying to fool herself into believing she's doing the right thing and has been since Episode 2 when she befriended him.
What part of her anatomy is she using??? Yes, her heart... and why that is such a bad thing?? (ok, better use the head.. but I can't blame her for caring about Clark and Davis)
I think, as Timester said earlier, there is always a third option that isn't apparent and it's the option Superman normally provides. I don't blame her for pulling the lever but I agree that her chummy relationship with a serial killer is going to be the death of Clark at some point.
And which one is the third option??... as far as I remember, Superman DIES in comics by DD's hand... and Chloe wasn't there to blame her...
I guess keeping him like a hamster in the basement is the decision that will change Clark and Chloe's relationship forever. I believe she'll betray him; actually, she sort of has already I think.
When she "already" betray Clark? When she choose him instead of Davis on alternative reality on "Infamous"? When she did the same at "Eternal" dropping the liquid kryptonite over Davis? When she was ready to run to Clark when she found Davis alive (before he told her she could be the solution)??
Yes she's betrayed him! When she slid that lock on the door, she sealed her own fate. Just as Judas did when he accepted 30 pieces of silver to turn Jesus over to Romans! (*points to avi)
Most might try to put a spin on her decision that she's keeping Davis locked up to protect Clark because she loves him, but she's going to keep mum about it. So, if she loved Clark so much, why doesn't she tell him? She now knows that kryptonite has made Davis stronger, and she certainly knows that he was sent to kill Clark...it's betrayal at it's worst!
It would be betraying if she is planning to use Davis/Doomsday against Clark, or if she is protecting Davis and not caring about Clark's safety...
That's what you think??
Well, we certainly are in disagreement...
Autumn
04-03-2009, 12:09 PM
Justice?
because im sure the PD can handle Doomsday and wouldn't think Chloe was crazy for telling them he's a destroyer from another planet :lol:
:rotfl:
SV'S_immortal_hero
04-03-2009, 12:11 PM
Justice?
because im sure the PD can handle Doomsday and wouldn't think Chloe was crazy for telling them he's a destroyer from another planet :lol:
reverting back to "infamous" before the timeline changed, despite police knowing that they couldnt do anything against clark when they wrongly accused him of being killer they still tried to take him in so i fail to see why doomsday is any different
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:rotfl:
laugh at that please ^
Autumn
04-03-2009, 12:12 PM
reverting back to "infamous" before the timeline changed, despite police knowing that they couldnt do anything against clark when they wrongly accused him of being killer they still tried to take him in so i fail to see why doomsday is any different
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laugh at that please ^
But what would that accomplish? Slaughter???? They would only bring out more death. Turning Davis in is a waste of time.
mr lane
04-03-2009, 12:13 PM
reverting back to "infamous" before the timeline changed, despite police knowing that they couldnt do anything against clark when they wrongly accused him of being killer they still tried to take him in so i fail to see why doomsday is any different
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laugh at that please ^
im using it as an example as to why Chloe does not go to the authorities, because it is pointless and no good will come from it
so chloe hands over Davis to the authorities when she knows Davis/Doomsday will more than likely just kill them all, escape and go on another murder rampage?
SV'S_immortal_hero
04-03-2009, 12:14 PM
and what does harboring a killer accomplish bar landing yourself in prison
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im using it as an example as to why Chloe does not go to the authorities, because it is pointless and no good will come from it
so chloe hands over Davis to the authorities when she knows Davis/Doomsday will more than likely just kill them all, escape and go on another murder rampage?
well it doesnt change the law does it shes harboring a serial killer, thats going to get her into trouble whethere people like it or not
mr lane
04-03-2009, 12:17 PM
and what does harboring a killer accomplish bar landing yourself in prison
you forget the fact (no matter how dumb it may seem) that the beast inside Davis is at bay when he is around Chloe. That was proven when Davis was in the room with chloe and clark but he was ok until he was down the stairs of the talon AWAY from Chloe.
also in the lab when clark rushed to the glass making davis closer to clark than chloe and he hulked out
that's why she locked herself in the basement with him
bringing the authorities into this is a waste of time
the same could be said for clark when he first found out that davis was the one causing the murders why didnt he go to the authorities?
again because he knows its pointless
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and what does harboring a killer accomplish bar landing yourself in prison
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well it doesnt change the law does it shes harboring a serial killer, thats going to get her into trouble whethere people like it or not
the law is suceptable to alot of things these days and this is smallville were talking about
chloe already got away with killing a guy (in identity) so im pretty sure the fact that she is harboring a serial killer for the greater good will be over looked
Alania
04-03-2009, 12:19 PM
I was there to say exactly the same. Chloe made the right choice.
It is like (okay, he was a human being but well...)knowing Hitler and what is going on and do nothing at all.
I really wonder if sometimes even if such a choice makes you become a killer is not the right one. I mean one Hitler and million of people, see the choice ? It is hard to answer but in the case of Chloe, it is quite the same.
1. This "man" is here to kill her best friend,
2. She has already seen what he is capable of
3. You can easily see what will be the following step
4. They know for sure (Clark included), he is the ultimate destroyer (even if I really hesitate to say if they really realize about "the beast") and that you can call him "doomsday".
To me, honestly, the choice is obvious.
Those are my thoughts too, Karine. I can understand where she's coming from. When Davis told her she could stop the beast in him, she is now deciding to use it on behalf of Clark. IMO, is much more meaningful than Lana's pretext to protect Clark and she wasn't harbouring any "killer".
Storm45
04-03-2009, 12:26 PM
One way or another shouldn't Doomsday be killed anyway?
There was already a backlash at the thought that Chloe would protect Davis instead of helping Clark.
Now there would be backlash for Chloe to help getting rid of Doomsday.
mr lane
04-03-2009, 12:26 PM
One way or another shouldn't Doomsday be killed anyway?
There was already a backlas at the thought that Chloe would protect Davis instead of helping Clark.
Now there would be backlash for Chloe to help getting rid of Doomsday.
agreed
it seems like chloe can never win :p
SV'S_immortal_hero
04-03-2009, 12:27 PM
you forget the fact (no matter how dumb it may seem) that the beast inside Davis is at bay when he is around Chloe. That was proven when Davis was in the room with chloe and clark but he was ok until he was down the stairs of the talon AWAY from Chloe.
also in the lab when clark rushed to the glass making davis closer to clark than chloe and he hulked out
that's why she locked herself in the basement with him
bringing the authorities into this is a waste of time
the same could be said for clark when he first found out that davis was the one causing the murders why didnt he go to the authorities?
again because he knows its pointless
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the law is suceptable to alot of things these days and this is smallville were talking about
chloe already got away with killing a guy (in identity) so im pretty sure the fact that she is harboring a serial killer for the greater good will be over looked
whos to say he didnt, clark asked alicia to turn herself in when police accused her of being a killer
please harboring a serial killer for the greater good where did you get that from :lol:
mr lane
04-03-2009, 12:29 PM
whos to say he didnt, clark asked alicia to turn herself in police accused her of being a killer
please harboring a serial killer for the greater good where did you get that from :lol:
did you see a scene i didnt? where clark went to the authorities?
i didnt think so
and how can you compare DOOMSDAY to alicia? Alicia was containable, DOOMSDAY IS NOT
and clark is AWARE of this
hey all im saying is IF the law is brought into this Chloe could use a number of reasons for harboring Davis for all the authorties know Chloe was harboring him because he forced her to, he's a serial killer she was afraid of him and afraid if she didn't help him he would kille her
(yes i do watch law and order) :lol:
Tompouce
04-03-2009, 12:33 PM
Alania, I agree with her choice when she tried to kill Davis but about this door locked, I wonder what she has in mind. Really. I am afraid she betrays Clark. She feels something for Davis and now that he came back (and to me, she knows how it hurted her to have to make the choice of losing him), maybe her feelings for Davis will be stronger than her friendship for Clark. I hope I am wrong and especially I hope you are right : she will use Davis's love to protect Clark
RedKRules
04-03-2009, 12:33 PM
One way or another shouldn't Doomsday be killed anyway?
There was already a backlas at the thought that Chloe would protect Davis instead of helping Clark.
Now there would be backlash for Chloe to help getting rid of Doomsday.
The girl just canīt win .... for some people Chloe sucks..... no matter what she does...... :rolleyes:
SV'S_immortal_hero
04-03-2009, 12:35 PM
did you see a scene i didnt? where clark went to the authorities?
i didnt think so
and how can you compare DOOMSDAY to alicia? Alicia was containable, DOOMSDAY IS NOT
and clark is AWARE of this
hey all im saying is IF the law is brought into this Chloe could use a number of reasons for harboring Davis for all the authorties know Chloe was harboring him because he forced her to, he's a serial killer she was afraid of him and afraid if she didn't help him he would kille her
(yes i do watch law and order) :lol:
i didnt say clark did i said whos to say he didnt so i fail to see why your debating with me on something i never stated happened
the comparison comes from the fact that clark would do the right thing and bring people to justice and again i never stated what the killers were capable of im talking about morals and justice
mr lane
04-03-2009, 12:54 PM
i didnt say clark did i said whos to say he didnt so i fail to see why your debating with me on something i never stated happened
the comparison comes from the fact that clark would do the right thing and bring people to justice and again i never stated what the killers were capable of im talking about morals and justice
but we know clark would not go to the police regarding doomsday this is something i dont see why you are debating
do you think clark would turn over doomsday when he knows that there is nothing the authorities can do and in fact he would be putting them in danger?
but it makes it ok as long as hes trying to hold up morals and justice?
baloney
SV'S_immortal_hero
04-03-2009, 01:06 PM
but we know clark would not go to the police regarding doomsday this is something i dont see why you are debating
do you think clark would turn over doomsday when he knows that there is nothing the authorities can do and in fact he would be putting them in danger?
but it makes it ok as long as hes trying to hold up morals and justice?
baloney
why is it hard to understand that i said whos to say he didnt so thats not me stating he did is it?!
clark has brought people to justice in the past even though they had powers and abilities that may have made them hard to contain but he did the right thing for the safety of the public
Violet-Shadow
04-03-2009, 01:08 PM
I'm not sure. So I voted "Don't Know." Pretty much sums up my opinion about that.
AChloeChick
04-03-2009, 01:08 PM
In the long run, it doesn't really matter what choice she made. The fact is -- he's DD and he is going to eventually kill Clark and NOTHING is going to be able to stop that!
mr lane
04-03-2009, 01:12 PM
why is it hard to understand that i said whos to say he didnt so thats not me stating he did is it?!
clark has brought people to justice in the past even though they had powers and abilities that may have made them hard to contain but he did the right thing for the safety of the public
hey dont yell or i may be forced to act accordingly :lol:
kidding
i brought up the fact that clark didnt go to the police because he knows its pointless which coincides with my point of why chloe did not go to the police
you just seem to be naive to think that the police could actually do anything if chloe chose to turn davis in
you also seem naive to the fact that this situation is different and clark is aware of this. None of the other criminals that Clark brought to Justice were destined to be the destroyer of the world and the destroyer of clark
turning davis into the police would not solve the problem clark and chloe are aware of this
it seems to me you are just looking for a way to damage chloe's character with a ridiculous allegation that she should have turned him into custody
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why didnt clark involve the authorities when Zod/Lex was trying to take over the world? or when Bizzaro was trying to take over his life
for the same reason as Doomsday
there is nothing that they could have done
SV'S_immortal_hero
04-03-2009, 01:21 PM
hey dont yell or i may be forced to act accordingly :lol:
kidding
i brought up the fact that clark didnt go to the police because he knows its pointless which coincides with my point of why chloe did not go to the police
you just seem to be naive to think that the police could actually do anything if chloe chose to turn davis in
you also seem naive to the fact that this situation is different and clark is aware of this. None of the other criminals that Clark brought to Justice were destined to be the destroyer of the world and the destroyer of clark
turning davis into the police would not solve the problem clark and chloe are aware of this
it seems to me you are just looking for a way to damage chloe's character with a ridiculous allegation that she should have turned him into custody
1 its against the rules in psychoanalysizing people, so please reframe from commenting on my state of mind on issues
2nd theres no excuse in the polices mind when it comes to harboring a serial killer, whethere the host has a reason or not, and the spoilers prove that chloe will get into trouble not just with the cops but with her friend clark since their friendship will apparently be changed forever
mr lane
04-03-2009, 01:24 PM
1 its against the rules in psychoanalysizing people, so please reframe from commenting on my state of mind on issues
2nd theres no excuse in the polices mind when it comes to harboring a serial killer, whethere the host has a reason or not, and the spoilers prove that chloe will get into trouble not just with the cops but with her friend clark since their friendship will apparently be changed forever
if you think its ok for Chloe or Clark to put innocent lives in danger then that's your choice
;)
im pretty sure if the show had chloe or clark take davis to the met pd with all the knowledge they have of him being doomsday most viewers would think they were crazy and that the writers of the show were off their rocker
im keeping to my opinion we can agree to disagree
SV'S_immortal_hero
04-03-2009, 01:33 PM
if you think its ok for Chloe or Clark to put innocent lives in danger then that's your choice
;)
im pretty sure if the show had chloe or clark take davis to the met pd with all the knowledge they have of him being doomsday most viewers would think they were crazy and that the writers of the show were off their rocker
im keeping to my opinion we can agree to disagree
my opinion all along has been speaking from the laws POV thats all
mr lane
04-03-2009, 01:33 PM
my opinion all along has been speaking from the laws POV thats all
if i were the law i wouldnt want to end up dead by being mulled to death by a prisoner with super alien powers from another planet
just sayin!
SV'S_immortal_hero
04-03-2009, 01:36 PM
if i were the law i wouldnt want to end up dead by being mulled to death by a prisoner with super alien powers from another planet
just sayin!
fair enough its not like the cops know that davis is also part monster all they know hes commiting murders :cool:
mr lane
04-03-2009, 01:36 PM
fair enough its not like the cops know that davis is also part monster all they know hes commiting murders :cool:
which is where clark comes in to protect them from what they do not know :cool:
skugers
04-03-2009, 01:44 PM
if you think its ok for Chloe or Clark to put innocent lives in danger then that's your choice
;)
Sorry, but even this theory about Chloe harboring Davis/Doomsday for the well-being of mankind has it's twists and turns. I think innocent lives are, in fact, being put in danger, even if she doesn't go to the police. She's keeping him in the basement of a cafeteria, which is clearly very populated by human beings. What is she going to do, hold his hand 24/7? If she's gonna lose him from her sight he might turn into that monster and hurt someone.
It's like saying that Davis killing those bad guys to reduce the number of Doomsday's killings (if he'd turn into the full Doomsday-mode) is OK. It's not.
mr lane
04-03-2009, 01:46 PM
Sorry, but even this theory about Chloe harboring Davis/Doomsday for the well-being of mankind has it's twists and turns. I think innocent lives are, in fact, being put in danger, even if she doesn't go to the police. She's keeping him in the basement of a cafeteria, which is clearly very populated by human beings. What is she going to do, hold his hand 24/7? If she's gonna lose him from her sight he might turn into that monster and hurt someone.
of course it has its twist and turns but what would she tell the police?
"hey im turning this guy in hes killed a lot of people"
then she walks away whistling without telling them he's a monster?
and what if she does tell him hes a monster
"i only know hes a monster cause he was sent here to destroy my best friend clark, you know the red blue blur"
Dor el
04-03-2009, 01:51 PM
I'm more concerned with whether or not she made the right choice in symbolically latching the door.
Like throwing herself on the grenade?
I think chloe did what she always does; whatever she thinks is best for Clark. So yes, I think given the circumstances, she did the right thing. Clearly, clark disagreed.
I think Chloe pulled the lever to protect Clark. She felt badly about hurting Davis, someone she also cares about, but she knows Davis is a beastly killer, and she knows Clark is a very good guy. She said it herself, knowing how Clark felt wouldn't change what she did. She did what she did to protect mankind; not just Clark. In the heat of the moment, one doesn't always have all the cognitive tools available to make profoundly rational decisions. She sometimes ya just gotta go with your gut. Sometime the gut approach works; sometimes it doesn't. No one, not even Davis knew that green K would make him stronger. He already knew he was immortal, but was hoping he wasn't and that green K could be his salvation. It wasn't. Fiaora told Davis that he is immortal way back when. Davis is a conflicted being on several levels. At least one of those levels holds a man who, like Clark, rejects his destiny. Clark did practically everything he could to avoid his destiny. Is Davis a more horrible creature for wanting the same thing Clark has always wanted; namely a normal life???? I think not. But, the real kicker is, both men will face their destiny. What Chloe did did not change that. The only thing that she may have done was to change the circumstances surrounding their meeting. There were destined to meet and meet they will. Now about the green K making Davis stronger. He said it, but how do we know it is true? He was already immortal; sounds pretty strong to me. Regarding the position that Chloe has now made Davis invulnerable to the one thing that may could have contained him. Clark could never have used green K against Davis so it was never a viable weapon for Clark to use. Green K could never have contained him, his morphing DNA adapts to every assault he is exposed to. The way I see it, little has changed between Davis and Clark. Hiowever, much has changed between Clark and Chloe. I'm not sure she can make it back from her decision to try and control the beast. Belle she isn't, and Davis is no prince.
skugers
04-03-2009, 01:51 PM
of course it has its twist and turns but what would she tell the police?
"hey im turning this guy in hes killed a lot of people"
then she walks away whistling without telling them he's a monster?
and what if she does tell him hes a monster
"i only know hes a monster cause he was sent here to destroy my best friend clark, you know the red blue blur"
I was just saying that her decision to take the situation in her own hands doesn't give her the certainty that other people won't get hurt. That's it :) Police or no police, the danger is there, by her side I'd say :)
mr lane
04-03-2009, 01:54 PM
I was just saying that her decision to take the situation in her own hands doesn't give her the certainty that other people won't get hurt. That's it :) Polici or no police, the danger is there, by her side I'd say :)
and i agree with that
all im saying is there not point in involving the police when there is nothing they can do
chloe is stuck between a rock and a hard place
i mean she already pulled the lever to kill the guy but it didn't work
so it seems to me she is just trying to by time to come up with a better plan
and hey how do we know she didnt put a sign on the talon door saying "out of business due to doomsday wrecking my plumbing" to keep innocent people away :lol:
Dustmite
04-03-2009, 01:59 PM
The girl just canīt win .... for some people Chloe sucks..... no matter what she does...... :rolleyes:
She sides with Clark. She's evil. She tries to do what she can in his best interests. She's evil.
She ain't ever going to win.
My point: sucks to be Chloe right now :(
lillie_poo_pod
04-03-2009, 02:02 PM
She sides with Clark. She's evil. She tries to do what she can in his best interests. She's evil.
She ain't ever going to win.
My point: sucks to be Chloe right now :(
Pretty much. She's damned if she does, damned if she doesn't.
Chloe did the right thing by pulling that lever.
SupaBoy
04-03-2009, 02:07 PM
I picked no:) From what they know(not us viewers, cos we know what doomsday is all about) But they know Doomsday is strong but clark always tries to find away out( and it is never the easy way), If he thinks he has a chance against Doomsday he would do everything in his power to try and keep davis alive. But i beleive if Clark didn't think he could win against doomy then he would probably have let him die.
Alania
04-03-2009, 03:37 PM
Alania, I agree with her choice when she tried to kill Davis but about this door locked, I wonder what she has in mind. Really. I am afraid she betrays Clark. She feels something for Davis and now that he came back (and to me, she knows how it hurted her to have to make the choice of losing him), maybe her feelings for Davis will be stronger than her friendship for Clark. I hope I am wrong and especially I hope you are right : she will use Davis's love to protect Clark
I don't now, Karine, my head hurts at this point, with all those death spoilers and Chloe's storyline!! Only the rest of the season will tell us that. From what i've seen yesterday, it was on Clark's behalf. I don't think she will betray Clark, they've been friends for too long now. But, whatever it is, i can see this not ending well at all.
Davis Bloome
04-03-2009, 03:42 PM
A serial killer by force, not by will and no she does not condone his actions, she just wants as him to prevent the killing. And she hopes she can, though I don't think it will end well.
Ritza
04-03-2009, 03:49 PM
She sides with Clark. She's evil. She tries to do what she can in his best interests. She's evil.
What do you mean she sides with Clark she's evil?
rajman
04-03-2009, 03:55 PM
chloe is tired of everything, i think she feels that its all getting abit too much for her, she also feels like she needs someone cos she knows that she will never have her own clark
clois-destiny-forever
04-03-2009, 03:56 PM
My point: sucks to be Chloe right now :(
That seems to be the theme for this half of the season after bride, isn't it? :\
Dustmite
04-03-2009, 03:59 PM
What do you mean she sides with Clark she's evil?
I meant that she can't win with the way she is viewed by some.
Violet-Shadow
04-03-2009, 04:01 PM
I don't know if we can judge Chloe too harshly. Personally, I'm not too happy with her post-Bride storyline for various reasons, but locking herself in with Davis isn't one of the reasons I'm not happy with her. Why? Because I would do almost anything to protect the people I love too. Which is what Chloe is doing with Davis. I do not think she's doing it because she loves Davis - she's doing it, IMO, to protect her best friend. Could there have been a better more safer option? IDK. But she did what she thought was necessary at the time.
Davis Bloome
04-03-2009, 04:03 PM
I agree with most of what you said, but I do think that she stayed with Davis because she loves him. I do think she also did it for other reasons, such as for Clark and to save people in general from Doomsday.
Violet-Shadow
04-03-2009, 04:08 PM
^ to protect Clark and the rest of the world. That's true.
Dustmite
04-03-2009, 04:13 PM
I don't know if we can judge Chloe too harshly. Personally, I'm not too happy with her post-Bride storyline for various reasons, but locking herself in with Davis isn't one of the reasons I'm not happy with her. Why? Because I would do almost anything to protect the people I love too. Which is what Chloe is doing with Davis. I do not think she's doing it because she loves Davis - she's doing it, IMO, to protect her best friend. Could there have been a better more safer option? IDK. But she did what she thought was necessary at the time.
I agree. It might not be the right decision but she's doing what she thinks she has to.
I wish they had approached Doomsday and Clark differently. I really do. Clark and Davis should have been built up a lot more over this season.
They haven't even explained the connection she has to Davis. It's just there and we're expected not to question it. Tell us what it bloody well is for God's sake so we're not left scratching our heads. Why does being near her control the beast? :confused:
bennyjr123
04-03-2009, 04:14 PM
for the ones who say chloe sealed clark's death. Uhmm, ok if she had done nothing that would have been the end for clark and you all would be clacking away on your keyboards saying "WHY COULDNT CHLOE KILL HIM?"
As for staying with him, i dont really know why she locked the door....but she definitely made the right choice of staying with him.
Violet-Shadow
04-03-2009, 04:15 PM
I agree. It might not be the right decision but she's doing what she thinks she has to.
I wish they had approached Doomsday and Clark differently. I really do. Clark and Davis should have been built up a lot more over this season.
They haven't even explained the connection she has to Davis. It's just there and we're expected not to question it. Tell us what it bloody well is for God's sake so we're not left scratching our heads. Why does being near her control the beast? :confused:
I think it's because of Davis' feelings for her. Like how the Hulk can more or less control himself around Betty Ross.
Dustmite
04-03-2009, 04:16 PM
I think it's because of Davis' feelings for her. Like how the Hulk can more or less control himself around Betty Ross.
But I thought the feelings were manufactured by Brainiac as per Legion and to an extent what was said in Infamous.
Timester
04-03-2009, 04:17 PM
She sides with Clark. She's evil. She tries to do what she can in his best interests. She's evil.
She ain't ever going to win.
My point: sucks to be Chloe right now :(
Again, third way. People just need to start embrace it.
Dustmite
04-03-2009, 04:17 PM
Again, third way. People just need to start embrace it.
Embrace what?
A serial killer by force, not by will and no she does not condone his actions, she just wants as him to prevent the killing. And she hopes she can, though I don't think it will end well.
What exactly did happen in the last scene, if it is permited to ask! That is the only one I missed, due to a cooking mistake
and I am dying og curiousity!
As for Chloe, I believe she does what she find the best course of action in order to protect Clark and the world, whether her plan will work or not is a another matter we will have to wait in order to see!
Never mind., just saw it! And Davis has officialy crossed the line of a kreepy stalker guy, he guilted Chloe into being with him, and seeing how she loves playing the marty coupled with her having a soft spot for him, cos well what woman wouldn't, that is a prescription for disaster!
Timester
04-03-2009, 04:19 PM
Embrace what?
The Superman way. It's what the show is all about, right?
TOO MUCH binary thinking in here. It doesn't have to be one way or another, there is always a third way.
Violet-Shadow
04-03-2009, 04:20 PM
But I thought the feelings were manufactured by Brainiac as per Legion and to an extent what was said in Infamous.
Yes...but I think that Davis does actually have feelings for Chloe now...or at least he thinks he does. He wants to hold onto his humanity and he thinks Chloe is the only way he can do so. Which is why he told her what he did at the end of Eternal. Which Chloe believed, therefore locking the door and making the choice to protect Clark/the world.
Still not sure if I would call it the "right" choice. More like the "right now" choice.
Dustmite
04-03-2009, 04:26 PM
The Superman way. It's what the show is all about, right?
TOO MUCH binary thinking in here. It doesn't have to be one way or another, there is always a third way.
I hope TPTB remembered this whilst writing the episodes because I'm only too willing to accept The Superman Way :)
Jaderoyale
04-03-2009, 04:28 PM
He guilted her into it.
Saying that she keeps the beast at bay totally duped her. If she thinks that she can stay with him and keep the beast in, then she'll be saving Clark.
So yes she did do the right thing, BUT its still the wrong thing.
Maria1023
04-03-2009, 04:40 PM
ITA!! with everything you said. While Chloe is still fighting her feelings for Davis, you can tell that she loves him. She knew that Davis would kill Clark and then continue to kill other people, so she could not see another way out. I just love this connection between Chlavis. It is so tragic and beautiful..
I think at this point there was nothing else Chloe could have done. Now, if the whole "trying to kill Davis" thing had never happend...and they jumped straight to locking themselves in the basement together. I would have to say no.
But it cant be said that Davis didnt make the nobel effort to do the right thing...and now that they know for sure that he cant be destroyed and Chloe can some how control his "outbursts" then I'm not sure what else Chloe was supposed to do.
If you ask me, she's being incredibly brave....and trying to save the man who (IMO) she loves, and her best friend.
Frankly, I don't think she had much choice! There was something really sick in Davis' eyes as he told her that he was immortal and won't kill if she is with him, and I shudder to think what he would have done if she said no! I mean he seemed more at peace with his true nature, the cind and helpful paramedic as well as the powerful monster! I think he is playing Chloe and guilting her into being with him, not really having any qualms of being responsible for so many deaths any longer!
Violet-Shadow
04-03-2009, 05:24 PM
Frankly, I don't think she had much choice! There was something really sick in Davis' eyes as he told her that he was immortal and won't kill if she is with him, and I shudder to think what he would have done if she said no! I mean he seemed more at peace with his true nature, the cind and helpful paramedic as well as the powerful monster! I think he is playing Chloe and guilting her into being with him, not really having any qualms of being responsible for so many deaths any longer!
Yes, I noticed that look too. It was downright creepy. Poor Chloe.:(
Autumn
04-03-2009, 05:26 PM
Nothing sick in Davis' eyes. She is his last hope. He doesn't want to be a monster. He truly loves her and I find it romantic.
Violet-Shadow
04-03-2009, 05:37 PM
Nothing sick in Davis' eyes. She is his last hope. He doesn't want to be a monster. He truly loves her and I find it romantic.
I'm not sure if I think the look had anything to do with Chloe but had more to do with...everything else. Just some evil glint...foreshadowing what's to come? I do think that Davis loves her...but I disagree with you about the romantic part.
Hopefulsuicide
04-03-2009, 05:38 PM
None of her snap decisions made any sense... She decides to help him die, then decides she can't, then does it just because Clark might get hurt, then Clark tells her she shouldn't have and she says she doesn't regret it
All of a sudden, he's back and she's decided she can make it work? when did she change her mind? when did Clark's safety that she was just ranting out suddenly becomes less important to her?
AndiGirl
04-03-2009, 07:35 PM
None of her snap decisions made any sense... She decides to help him die, then decides she can't, then does it just because Clark might get hurt, then Clark tells her she shouldn't have and she says she doesn't regret it
All of a sudden, he's back and she's decided she can make it work? when did she change her mind? when did Clark's safety that she was just ranting out suddenly becomes less important to her?
I think it all makes perfect sense.
She said she would help Davis end his life....because despite her feelings, they both knew ending his life was what was best for the world.
But when it actually came time to pulling the lever and watching the man who (IMO) she loves die, She couldnt do it. It wasnt that she wouldnt...or didnt want to, but the part of her that cares for him bubbled to the surface. Which honestly...its to be expected. She's only human.
So when Clark comes in....and Doomy is about to jump through the window...Chloe stopped thinking with her heart, and let her reasoning side take back over and quickly pulled the lever. So no....she doesnt regret it. Chloe isnt dumb...she knows Davis is the big bad evil, that doesnt make killing him any easier for her.
But then....it obviously doesnt take, because he's back. He informs her that nothing can kill him...but something can contain him, and thats her. So...to go along with the entire story line, Chloe locks herself in the basement with him. How is that not protecting Clark?? If she's the only thing that can potenially stop Doomsday....and she's willing to be locked in a room with him to stop him. I think part of it DOES have to do with her feelings for Davis, but most of it has to do with her wanting to protect Clark. She proved that time and time again in this episode.
To me, all of this just follows her storyline perfectly. She will always want to protect Clark, but she also has feelings for Davis (not doomy).
Kryptochloe
04-03-2009, 07:48 PM
She sides with Clark. She's evil. She tries to do what she can in his best interests. She's evil.
She ain't ever going to win.
No, she will never be right... because, you know... she is Chloe..:rolleyes:
Davis Bloome
04-03-2009, 08:09 PM
Actually after a lot of research there's little doubt that Jack the Ripper was Francis Tumbletee. I know the media portrays him still as mystery, but I talked about this to my wife and she thinks the same. She knows a lot about these things. He was an abortionist who hated women. He collected wombs in jars...There's a lot more to tell to prove he was the Ripper. He was originally from America, travelled to England and after his last murder he went back to America. He suits the mythos of Jack the Ripper completely.
haydenclaireheroes
04-04-2009, 07:18 PM
I wonder if Clark will react in any way about that. Could he be friendly with someone who doesn't agree with his morals? Because Chloe definitely broke away from them.
Clark will defently be mad at chloe but i think he might look past it becuase she is saving his life.
Tompouce
04-05-2009, 04:16 AM
Actually after a lot of research there's little doubt that Jack the Ripper was Francis Tumbletee. I know the media portrays him still as mystery, but I talked about this to my wife and she thinks the same. She knows a lot about these things. He was an abortionist who hated women. He collected wombs in jars...There's a lot more to tell to prove he was the Ripper. He was originally from America, travelled to England and after his last murder he went back to America. He suits the mythos of Jack the Ripper completely.
From what I know (and it is not a lot lol), there was a theory saying that he could have been someone around the Queen who was Jack the Ripper. Someone from her family, the prince (if I remember well)but of course, nothing was proved. It is one theory among others...
borednow
04-05-2009, 04:40 AM
After reading some very good reviews I feel that Chloe did the right thing, Davis was an unstoppable killing machine who wanted to die, for the wrong reason, because Clark's destiny was more important.
Davis Bloome
04-05-2009, 05:26 AM
From what I know (and it is not a lot lol), there was a theory saying that he could have been someone around the Queen who was Jack the Ripper. Someone from her family, the prince (if I remember well)but of course, nothing was proved. It is one theory among others...
Yeah it was one of the weakest theories though. Supposedly it was professor in the medical arts who worked for the Royal family. Killed the prostitutes to cover up the Prince's relationship with one of them. It's a nice tale made into a cool movie called 'From Hell' but that's all it is.
wolverine316
04-05-2009, 05:38 AM
Making a snap decision like this, Chloe deserves to die.
Davis Bloome
04-05-2009, 01:36 PM
Wow, aren't you the forgiving type...
devilneedsaride
04-05-2009, 05:35 PM
Normally I would go the whole Superman "No, there's always another way" route, but I think this situation is different because Davis wanted to die. He was hurting people and he couldn't stop, and he made the decision to take his own life and simply dragged Chloe along for the ride. She wasn't taking his life away from him, she was honoring his decision to sacrifice himself for the good of the world. I think his wishes make all the difference in the world here.
Violet-Shadow
04-05-2009, 06:09 PM
I just realized that...um...I was arguing something I didn't believe. For whatever reason, I thought this thread was about Chloe's choice to lock herself in the basement with Davis, something I didn't think was all that terrible. Looking at the options in the poll more closely I realized that it was about her choice to help Davis kill himself. Here's what I really think: She did it to protect Clark. She doesn't love Davis - I didn't see any love just a person who cared about someone else. It was the wrong choice. There is always another way, as Clark would say. So...I'm more than a little embarassed but I just wanted to put my actual opinion on the matter out there.
Autumn
04-05-2009, 06:37 PM
Yes, I noticed that look too. It was downright creepy. Poor Chloe.:(
Creepy??? Um, okay. I personally don't feel that bad for Chloe. It didn't look like she minded all that much. ;)
luvinChlark
04-05-2009, 07:02 PM
I believe she did the right thing in both pulling the lever and locking the door.
I just realized that...um...I was arguing something I didn't believe. For whatever reason, I thought this thread was about Chloe's choice to lock herself in the basement with Davis, something I didn't think was all that terrible. Looking at the options in the poll more closely I realized that it was about her choice to help Davis kill himself. Here's what I really think: She did it to protect Clark. She doesn't love Davis - I didn't see any love just a person who cared about someone else. It was the wrong choice. There is always another way, as Clark would say. So...I'm more than a little embarassed but I just wanted to put my actual opinion on the matter out there.
IA I don't thinks she loves Davis either. Defiantly someone that she is attracted to and was falling for, up until she found out he was a killer.
I'm not sure why Clark thought it could have been handled another way. Davis was turning into Dooms right before Chloe pulled the lever. So Dooms would have busted out of the cell and most likely would have killed both of them. Clark was wrong to think they could have been brothers, they were both sent to earth for different reasons. Dooms to destroy and Superman to save. It's their (as much as I hate the word) destiny. So they would still be set to kill each other, even if they had grown up in the same house. (Sorry, rambling on a bit lol) Anyway in the season finale Clark and Dooms will have to fight to the death, I'm sure. He will be out of options.
But, I guess, I can't fault Clark for thinking he could do something else. Same with Chloe at the end. She made the right choice but it won't work in the long run. :(
ClLaLeChFAN01
04-05-2009, 07:04 PM
Did Chloe make the right choice?
I have no idea!
If I didnt know before hand that Doomsday couldnt be killed then yes she did make the right choice!
justme_007
04-07-2009, 02:15 PM
I have no idea WHY clark said that! i think itīs because of his big heart. and i donīt know if chloe took the right decision. but doomsday will have killed them both.
rebecavaldez
04-07-2009, 05:57 PM
I like the choice she made, but it's going to come back and bite her in the a** later.
Kryptochloe
04-07-2009, 09:35 PM
I like the choice she made, but it's going to come back and bite her in the a** later.
Reading this, I can't help but imagine Doomsday biting Chloe's a**.:lol:
Atomic girl
04-11-2009, 02:50 AM
No. What she did was make Davis immortal now AND he's now invunerable to Kryptonite. What Chloe did was just seal Clark's death. Thanks a lot Chloe.
Davis was immortal before Chloe juiced him in green slim
sooner or later Davis would have been exposed to kryptonite and come back stronger from it, it just happened sooner than laterI saw that scene where Davis said he was immortal to mean that he finally realized after the Kryptonite bath that he was immortal, not that the near death experience made him that way.
Yes...but I think that Davis does actually have feelings for Chloe now...or at least he thinks he does. He wants to hold onto his humanity and he thinks Chloe is the only way he can do so. Which is why he told her what he did at the end of Eternal. Which Chloe believed, therefore locking the door and making the choice to protect Clark/the world.
Still not sure if I would call it the "right" choice. More like the "right now" choice.While I don't agree with her choice to leave Clark in the dark, I do see why she may have done it. She knows that Clark wouldn't want her to do it, he would feel some guilt for it. She may feel like Davis' feelings for her make her "safe" and therefore no need to worry Clark about her decision. Again, I disagree with her decision, but I can see it.
As far as killing Davis, she went with what she knows. She doesn't have the comic books to fall back on, like we do. She saw it as eliminating a bad creature that had already killed people (innocent and otherwise), and the guy who would kill Clark, if given the chance. We know that she should have trusted Clark with the info, but all she could think about was Clark's welfare. I think her decision would have been more wrong if Davis had not agreed, but since he did, she made a bad decision with good intentions.
Pantalaimon
04-11-2009, 03:52 AM
There is no right or wrong here. Clark made the moral choice, but the moral choice isn't always the right choice.
jaime,oburg
04-11-2009, 06:46 AM
Chloe is putting her faith in Clark. She is following through with Clark's advice "there is always another way". Although Chloe may have disagreed with Clark as evidenced by her hestitation to kill Davis she is respecting his moral belief about killing, even when it applies to someone who is destined to kill Clark. Allison played Chloe's struggle to support Clark's morals perfectly. We the audience certainly have some insights that the characters will come to realize in hindsight. I am loving season 8!
Bizarrolover
04-11-2009, 07:16 AM
Considering that Clark 'found another way' and saved her (Legion) when Chloe was both a threat to him and the world, I think Chloe pressed the button too quickly.
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