The Orb

[xrayvision]

I wonder if the Orb will actually control Doomsday.

[madcatlady]

I wonder if the Orb will actually control Doomsday.

Yeah I totally didn't see that coming...who knows?

[O'Neill]

I dont know, but the way Tess was talking to Clark, she may end up controlling him with it.

[Lexsghost]

I think she wants it to take over clark.

[JTKB44]

Wasnt that the orb that lex had in last years season finaly????

[ClarkyBoy14]

I didn't think we'd ever see the orb again, but I'm glad that PS3 didn't forget about it. :)

I think she may try to control Clark. But I wonder if it can do anything besides shutdown the FOS? That might actually be a good thing, since it's infected right now...

[aceofclubs]

Wasnt that the orb that lex had in last years season finaly????
Yeah thats the same one. I think they are just going to reuse last years finale. Except insert Tess instead of Lex. Oh and don't forget to add the 30 second Doomsday fight lol

[Vergon6]

Yeah thats the same one. I think they are just going to reuse last years finale. Except insert Tess instead of Lex. Oh and don't forget to add the 30 second Doomsday fight lol
:lol:

[LightSeeker]

How did Tess get a hold of that thing anyways? Didn't Lex have it:confused:

[Krypto~Luan]

How did Tess get a hold of that thing anyways? Didn't Lex have it:confused:

My guess is she found it when looking for him... but not him with it.

[Bizarro345]

Wow. It's back!!! I was shocked!

[moviefan2k4]

I was surprised as well. I always thought that orb was either destroyed when the Fortress collapsed, or was "shrunk" with the structure into the "mother crystal".

[xrayvision]

Yeah I totally didn't see that coming...who knows?

I expected a huge revelation when she was going for the case & indeed we got one.

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I dont know, but the way Tess was talking to Clark, she may end up controlling him with it.

I think Tess controlling Clark would be stupid, just like the premise of Lex controlling Clark last season. I think she may use it to get Davis to turn into Doomsday so she could speed things up & cause the battle to begin. Chloe better get the hell away from him.

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Wasnt that the orb that lex had in last years season finaly????

Yes. I thought it was the Eradicator last year & now I'm thinking more & more it is. If Clark dies in the finale, he will need it to revive him.

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I didn't think we'd ever see the orb again, but I'm glad that PS3 didn't forget about it. :)

I think she may try to control Clark. But I wonder if it can do anything besides shutdown the FOS? That might actually be a good thing, since it's infected right now...

Jor-El actually shut it down. I'm pretty sure it's the Eradicator & that it could fix the FOS, but also in Smallville NOT the comics, control Doomsday, or cause him to permanently evolve into DD sooner.

[Kschreck]

Smallville MAGIC!!!

[The Striving Artist®]

The ord doubles as a PZ crystal...I place $5 on it.

It was used to destroy any evidence of Krypton and the 28 known galaxies by shutting down the fortress and de-powering the Traveler and then send him to the Phantom Zone to erase his existence.

[ywm]

Yeah thats the same one. I think they are just going to reuse last years finale. Except insert Tess instead of Lex. Oh and don't forget to add the 30 second Doomsday fight lol
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[xrayvision]

Yeah thats the same one. I think they are just going to reuse last years finale. Except insert Tess instead of Lex. Oh and don't forget to add the 30 second Doomsday fight lol

That would blow big time. There will be many more eyes on this finale than last year's & expectations will be high when it comes to a Doomsday vs. Clark/Superman fight.

[SnowBird]

Since Kryptonite can kill Clark but make Davis/DD stronger, maybe the orb will also make Davis stronger since it took away Clark's powers. I think the Fortress is going to have to be fixed before the orb can be used.

[BadToad]

Ah, so the omnipotent Jor-El did a great job of getting rid of that thing, didn't he? :rolleyes:

[smeyer44]

Since Kryptonite can kill Clark but make Davis/DD stronger, maybe the orb will also make Davis stronger since it took away Clark's powers. I think the Fortress is going to have to be fixed before the orb can be used.

Correct me if I'm wrong, the kryptonite didnt actually make Davis stronger. It was his further invulnerability b/c its one more thing he cant die from. You're way of thinking is more along the lines of Bizarro.

[xrayvision]

Ah, so the omnipotent Jor-El did a great job of getting rid of that thing, didn't he? :rolleyes:

Well if the orb is the Eradicator, it will be needed to bring the FOS & Clark (given that what is going to happen to him will be bad no matter what) back.

[superspider02]

Totally shocked to see the orb again. I didnt expect to see it again. Though i wonder what is going to be going on with it this time around. Though i know some spoilers said the pz(the S shield one was due to appear) though like martian manhunters one it was destroyed awhile ago.

[SnowBird]

Correct me if I'm wrong, the kryptonite didnt actually make Davis stronger. It was his further invulnerability b/c its one more thing he cant die from. You're way of thinking is more along the lines of Bizarro.

I thought Davis said to Chloe that the Kryptonite made him stronger. Maybe I heard it wrong?...I know that whatever kills DD won't kill him again.

[xrayvision]

It did by making him invulnerable to it. That's what he meant. Anything that kills him makes him stronger.

[smeyer44]

I thought Davis said to Chloe that the Kryptonite made him stronger. Maybe I heard it wrong?...I know that whatever kills DD won't kill him again.

I could definitely be wrong, I mean it is kryptonite. I just thought that when Davis said he was immortal, it was b/c he saw that as his last resort.

Oh, and sorry for kinda talking down to you. I saw my quote and thought, "wow, i kinda sound like a condescending dick"

[xrayvision]

I could definitely be wrong, I mean it is kryptonite. I just thought that when Davis said he was immortal, it was b/c he saw that as his last resort.

Oh, and sorry for kinda talking down to you. I saw my quote and thought, "wow, i kinda sound like a condescending dick"

My question is, didn't Davis know the kryptonite would kill him & that he would return stronger? I'm pretty sure he's playing Chloe big time. He knows by now that nothing could kill him permanently. So I look at it as if he's making himself stronger without Chloe knowing, well at least until the end when he revealed it to her.

Chloe should have asked him why he didn't reveal that before.

[Lilah]

What if Lex and the Veritas group got it wrong? What if the orb wasn't to control Clark? I just found this clip from season 7's "Quest" and Edward Teague says something very interesting about a "destroyer" except he thinks it what Clark could become. Maybe Jor-El knew all along about Doomsday, and sent the device to control him and not Clark...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjmInvbJ5fE

Just made me think for a second...

[Kschreck]

What if Lex and the Veritas group got it wrong? What if the orb wasn't to control Clark? I just found this clip from season 7's "Quest" and Edward Teague says something very interesting about a "destroyer" except he thinks it what Clark could become. Maybe Jor-El knew all along about Doomsday, and sent the device to control him and not Clark...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjmInvbJ5fE

Just made me think for a second...


Yeah that is most likely what they are gearing up for (though I won't get into spoilers for obvious reasons).

[xrayvision]

Veritas obviously got it wrong. They talked about him becoming a "destroyer" and about a race of warriors before Krypton became science oriented. They obviously misinterpreted Doomsday's race, as such a ritual would be done by them and with Doomsday being the real destroyer.

This is why I said in my 1st post of this thread that the orb probably controls Doomsday.

[Tess is Smokin]

ive got a feeling that orb will have a big role when DD and Clark have their final fight.

[xrayvision]

Like I said...the Eradicator!!

Is it a coincidence that the orb returned now? Even if it's not the Eradicator, I would love for Tess to send Clark on a mission to the Phantom Zone with it (without Clark knowing) where he finds the actual Eradicator & returns to fix the Fortress with it. But while he's there, he runs the gauntlet & takes on waves of prisoners, which prepares him for Doomsday (and would be Tess' reason for sending him there).

I posted a theory about this:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123661

Something like this needs to be done before the season ends otherwise Clark will be slaughtered.

[Bizarro345]

I think it'll just do what it did to Clark, strip the powers. Because like Clark said, the Orb didn't control him it only took away his abilities. But who knows.

[costas22]

The orb was built for Clark wasn't it?Maybe it will have the oposti affect it did last year and bring back the FOS after Brainiac shut it down?This must be the PZ crystal that might show up.

[luthorian]

I hope it controls Clark it would be interesting to see how Tess would use that to make him face his destiny.

[JaM1977]

Kryptonyte was the only thing that could help them capture the Doomsday, but now he is imune... i think the only way how to defeat him, would be to send him to phantom zone...

[Lilah]

^That's what Superman does in the animated series...

[xrayvision]

^That's what Superman does in the animated series...

He could have used the Legion ring to take Doomsday to the end of time, but I doubt this Clark would ever think of doing that.

Anyway, if the orb is not the Eradicator, I hope it leads him to it.

[BWOracle]

My take on the Orb is that Tess thinks it can control Clark (based on Lionel's and Lex's journals) not realizing that all it does is remove his powers.

I think in the end, it will play a part in removing Doomsday's power of invulnerability.

[mrw66855]

Okay here is my two cents, and they are all based on speculation. So just hear me out. We know the orb took away <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on">Clark</st1:place>'s powers in the season finale last year. Based on how tess was talking in eternal. It almost sounded like she wanted to help <st1:place w:st="on">Clark</st1:place>, but the only way she knew had to do that was kill him. So that he could be reborn, and become the hero. So maybe she will find some way to restore the fortress, because remember, the orb. Also protects and leads a person who has it to the fortresses location and then when doomsday and Clark fight she will use the orb to take away <st1:place w:st="on">Clark</st1:place>'s powers therefore, killing him in the process and then someone will help them live again. By doing this, she accomplishes what she wants (in her own sick twisted way. I guess) remember. Just my opinions, and by the way. I had no idea how Tess would restore the fortress, but if they go that route. I am sure she will find a way.

[Exedore]

Like I said...the Eradicator!!

Is it a coincidence that the orb returned now? Even if it's not the Eradicator, I would love for Tess to send Clark on a mission to the Phantom Zone with it (without Clark knowing) where he finds the actual Eradicator & returns to fix the Fortress with it. But while he's there, he runs the gauntlet & takes on waves of prisoners, which prepares him for Doomsday (and would be Tess' reason for sending him there).

I posted a theory about this:

http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123661

Something like this needs to be done before the season ends otherwise Clark will be slaughtered.

Agreed. Except I don't want Tess being the one who sends Clark on the mission. Jor El is the logical choice but since he is absent someone like MM should be used. But then there is no sign of MM anywhere. Perhaps they can retcon Swann's diaries again to include some Eradicator material. :\

[xrayvision]

Agreed. Except I don't want Tess being the one who sends Clark on the mission. Jor El is the logical choice but since he is absent someone like MM should be used. But then there is no sign of MM anywhere. Perhaps they can retcon Swann's diaries again to include some Eradicator material. :\

The only problem with that is there's no way Clark could go to the Phantom Zone to retrieve it without a functional Fortress. They could have Clark find 1 functioning crystal that Jor-El placed the reserve energy of the Fortress in, have this crystal leave a message from Jor-El telling him to retrieve the Eradicator from the Zone, and use it to enter the Zone & get the Eradicator so he could use it to restore the Fortress and so it can restore his life/powers/health after the Doomsday battle. Along the way, I want Clark to go through many prisoners and have it be like an unintentional gauntlet for him that would prepare him against DD.

[xrayvision]

Suppose the orb is used to deconstruct the FOS & turn it into a crystal again. Would it mean that if Clark would rebuild it again, it would be back as new? Or would it not even deconstruct, because it could have been Jor-El who destroyed the FOS.

I know they said Jor-El was the one who took Clark's powers away to prevent someone from using him as a weapon. Whether that interpretation is right or not is another thing, because I think the orb in the end will be proven to control Doomsday.

We still don't have 100% proof if the orb itself caused the FoS to fall apart or if Jor-El did it to prevent Lex from obtaining its knowledge.

[SSJConan]

Well, Jor-El didn't really strip Clark of his powers, I believe it was more a pre-programming in combining the Orb with the Fortress that did it. Jor-El explained earlier this season, it was only if Clark proved to use his powers for the harming of mankind the Orb were to be used by Veritas, though Lex ended up using it with the sole ambition of controlling the Traveler/Clark. He couldn't get what he came for since the Orb was only programmed to follow Jor-El's planned scenario for the Veritas group; if Kal-El proved to be a threat, strip him of his power, yet not kill or technically control him.

Let's not forget, the Orb can't control Clark. All Jor-El designed it for was to strip him of his powers (not even in a permanent way, as point-blank exposure to solar energy restores him) and destroy the Fortress. Tess would have to get the thing to the Fortress and insert it like Lex did last time, and even then, we wouldn't know if it would work due to the Fortress' "dark" status. Heck, because of what the Orb was designed for and how the Fortress is currently doing (bad enough Jor-El can't reply to Clark), I'm not sure what the point even was in bringing it back. Seems kinda like a "been there, done that" shabang far too soon.

[sounni]

I love all the theories going on in this thread! Does any one have an idea on what the whispers were that we heard when Tess revealed the Orb??

[xrayvision]

Well, Jor-El didn't really strip Clark of his powers, I believe it was more a pre-programming in combining the Orb with the Fortress that did it. Jor-El explained earlier this season, it was only if Clark proved to use his powers for the harming of mankind the Orb were to be used by Veritas, though Lex ended up using it with the sole ambition of controlling the Traveler/Clark. He couldn't get what he came for since the Orb was only programmed to follow Jor-El's planned scenario for the Veritas group; if Kal-El proved to be a threat, strip him of his power, yet not kill or technically control him.

Let's not forget, the Orb can't control Clark. All Jor-El designed it for was to strip him of his powers (not even in a permanent way, as point-blank exposure to solar energy restores him) and destroy the Fortress. Tess would have to get the thing to the Fortress and insert it like Lex did last time, and even then, we wouldn't know if it would work due to the Fortress' "dark" status. Heck, because of what the Orb was designed for and how the Fortress is currently doing (bad enough Jor-El can't reply to Clark), I'm not sure what the point even was in bringing it back. Seems kinda like a "been there, done that" shabang far too soon.

I definitely agree the orb doesn't control Clark (turn him into a robot/zombie for the holder of the orb to control). The rest is mainly speculation since we don't know what it does.

It's possible the orb is the Eradicator. Or maybe the orb can fix the Fortress. Or maybe the orb can/will take Clark to the Phantom Zone so he can retrieve the actual Eradicator & go on a mission (which I would love to see in Beast). This way he can be met by waves of prisoners and have to beat them to return to Earth. This would be an excellent gauntlet for Clark to go through & prepare against Doomsday (since in the PZ, he will be outnumbered/overmatched). I have a theory about this in the speculation forum.

[ClarkyBoy14]

Jor-El actually shut it down. I'm pretty sure it's the Eradicator & that it could fix the FOS, but also in Smallville NOT the comics, control Doomsday, or cause him to permanently evolve into DD sooner.

Ah, you're right. :)

That's some good spec. I could see that happening.