Sylars "teleportation"

[DoN Migu-EL]

What was this about?

He's in the car then a second later hes on the roof of a building??!

[Seyee]

Same question here man. I was like what just happened there is no powers that would even come close to him being able to do something like he did that episode. In less than a second he's outside on top of a building. He must got this teleportation ability really recently and there is no one that I know beside Old Hiro( he no longer has this) and Rachel(current agent hunting down special people) that have this ability. The reasonable deduction is that he realize Rachel was a special person and killed her sometime in the show and got her ability of teleportation but this was never shown so it's not concrete. I really like Rachel I hope he didn't really kill her. I'm so mad now Sylar is so powerful its going to be a pain to even be in the same league as him with teleportation + shape shifting + TK + electicity + regeneration. Atleast one thing is certain in this episode there is a microscopic certain part of the brain that needs to be damaged if a cellular regeneration has to be negated like Sylar mentioned.

[nightwing05]

i actually thought he was just levitating pretty high up. still makes me wonder how he got in and out of the car so quickly.

[Seyee]

Nevermind in case everyone was wondering wtf was happening in that scene... It all make sense now but it's hard to pick up these type of things. Okay so everyone knows that Sylar somehow took Shape shifting without slicing opening the victim head right? The only way he could have done that was through empathy which Arthur explained to him. There is actually a few powers that he have done this with: Telekinesis is probably one of them since the writers did mention he felt something when he took Brian Davis power his first victim and felt connected to the power and Davis. The second power he actually took was Angela dreaming precognition although they never said it or mention it but it make sense because Angela was playing the role of Sylar's mom and that mad an emotional impact on him, and I guess he got this power when Angela was in a coma and Peter made Sylar comatose (Angela was able to use her power to enter in Sylar's dream since that's how her other power works). As you all know he took Elle's power through empathy and this was the first time we knew for sure he was capable of this without killing Elle, although it would seem like he would have to help cope another person issues or be connected with them to get the power. As for the most recent and last scene so far Sylar demonstrated that he took an ability without removing the the top of the skull by empathy this was part of the plan to cover up for Sylar so everyone in the company would stop looking for him so if they saw Sylar with his head cut off then something is fishy.

I found a theory that explained what was that teleportation was about. Sylar was actually never in the car he was always on top of the building which make sense why he was totally wet so fast. There were scenes that hinted that Danko was getting tired/sleepy such as him closing his eyes for a few seconds slowly and in that time Sylar entered in his dream and talked to him like how Angela did the same with Sylar. It's a bold theory since the writers would want us to suspect that Danko was sleeping for that time and showed no concrete evidence that he was. This make sense why and how he found so many people at ease because he probably used precognition dreaming to find them if that's even possible. I was scared for a minute that he really had teleportation but something that big the writers must show us somethings leading to that point because with teleportation(Old Hiro's power) he could easily teleport someone's back, electrify them, and take theeir brain with ease.

[j-kent]

maybe he retained the powers of that chick he killed- the one who could alter perception (forgot her name). The end of season 1- she was taking care of his stab wounds and giving him illusions. I am actually a little doubtful of this though because this is a significantly more efficient power of disguise than shape shifting...the writers do this kinda stuff on purpose so we can go WTF..and it worked!

[beoulve1]

I actually can see the whole entering dreams theory being true. I just rewatched that scene. Danko pressed in the cigarette lighter in his car and then had his eyes closed when Sylar appeared. When the cigarette lighter pops up again, making a noise, then Danko turns around with his gun to shoot Sylar but he is gone. The director made a big point in showing the cigarette lighter. It popping out must have waken Danko up.

[itsonlypoint07]

Sooo... what did he use to get into Danko's car? Was that telapathy...? Teleportation? I mean, he didn't even open the door. I figured it was something he aquired and I just didn't notice..

[Lilah]

The dream power makes total sense.... I rewatched it and it does. The lighter was a big focus in this scene.

[Litle bit more bizarre]

I think that is some kind of teleportation but I think he have this power for long thime because there are lots of scenes in show when he just disappear or appear in second whithout sound or anything else like he did it when he injected Meredith with adrenaline in the ending episode of villains

[edwinisdenim]

frankly, i am kinda sick with how the writer made Sylar into.

i mean in terms of his power. so far i have never missed any of heroes episode and any and each of his powers used to have an origin where how he acquired it all those.

but somehow, come into season 3 on all the latter episodes, he tend to have some unexplained powers. like the current one, teleportation. like any other posters mentioned above, only Hiro had that.

Even Rachel, the so-called agent, was alleged to have that but it's not shown in the series, which we could only assumed.(i didnt read the web-comic) so how in the world he has that power? could it be telepathy? also not mentioned he has that.

Sylar kinda become very mysteriously strong which i find it annoying. and now.. it seems he can acquire power without slice the person's head. i guess he used the thing he learned from Elle to obtain shape-shifting - empathy. true?

[CompanyMan]

frankly, i am kinda sick with how the writer made Sylar into.

i mean in terms of his power. so far i have never missed any of heroes episode and any and each of his powers used to have an origin where how he acquired it all those.

but somehow, come into season 3 on all the latter episodes, he tend to have some unexplained powers. like the current one, teleportation. like any other posters mentioned above, only Hiro had that.

I've been saying that all along. There's also the possibility of an a Matt-like mind projection, an Arthur-like thought projection, and perhaps an Angela-like dream projection. None of which we saw him aquire. I just thought of another possiblity. Maybe he aquired the abiltiy to manipulate plot-holes.


Sylar kinda become very mysteriously strong which i find it annoying. and now.. it seems he can acquire power without slice the person's head. i guess he used the thing he learned from Elle to obtain shape-shifting - empathy. true?

I doubt it. I don't really know, but I doubt it. When he obtained Elle's power, he took the time to talk to her and let her know he understood her anger with her. He had absolutely no sympathy for the shapeshifter--only hunger.

[beoulve1]

I think everyone discarding the use of the power of empathy solely because he didn't feel for someone is ridiculous. In Season 1, Peter was acquiring abilities from people he didn't know anything about, and for some reason we don't care about pointing that out. When he first came into contact with Ted, he absorbed his ability. Same goes for when he came into contact with Claude. The power is just to absorb someones power. You don't have to feel something for them. That is just how Peter accessed the power. If it was the same for everyone, Claude probably would have known that when he was teaching Peter how to use his powers. Obviously Sylar has a better control over his powers and can use empathy absorbsion if he wants.

[CompanyMan]

Well, as far as I know empathic mimicry (not absorbtion) is the abiltiy to recall or use the powers. That comes from two wikis--Heroes Wiki and the Advancing Evolution wiki. As far as the scene with Arthur and Sylar and the whole absorbing through empathy is concerned, I have always thought it was a "hiccup" on the part of the writers--who by the way are not the same writers as were employed in season one. In season one, Mohinder told Nathan that Peter absorbs his powers like a sponge absorbs water. When Peter absorbed Ted's powers it was because Ted was within a certain proximity of him. He certainly wasn't using (or feeling) empathy at that point. Don't forget, that in season two, Peter used D.L.'s power of phasing. The only time he was anywhere near D.L. was in the end when he was fighting Sylar. No use of empathy there. So I think the whole empathy absorption thing is taken a bit out of context by those that say that if he could only get in touch with his empathy he could start getting more powers.

[Kick2theface]

CompanyMan I guess you are mainly referring to me with the whole empathy thing. I guess id didnt make myself just super clear. I know Peter uses empathy to call upon individual powers to use them. That is what I think is the problem. I just think because Pete is so twisted from family issues including Claire that he cant focus his power right. I think that is what is up with his power i guess kind of like a power depression. I dont know how to word it exactly, but I really do think that when the Petrelli family issues get resolved that Pete will be able to call upon more than one power at a time. He may have to still touch people to absorb a power he does not have, but I dont buy the whole thing with him absorbing one ability and letting another one go off into thin air. His body still remembers the abilities he has used since he injected himself, he just needs to get all his issues dealt with. And that right there is not going against his empathic mimicry power, it is just explaining why he might be able to only have one right now. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong but this is just my theory

[CompanyMan]

Kick2theface,

No, I wasn't refering to you. I know we've discussed this once or twice but I was refering to the opposing viewpoint in general. And I don't have to be right about it. It's okay if I'm wrong. In case you don't remember, I was wrong about Micah not being Rebel. So it's not like I know everything.

But for the time being, Peter's current power is ability replication, which is totaly different from empathic mimicry. That's the ability he got when he injected the formula into himself at Pinehearst, and at least for now, that's the all the ability he's going to have. It doesn't really matter what his body is used to, it doesn't matter how empathic he is, he can only hold one power at a time. I don't like it as much as you do, but that's what we will have to accept for now. How things will "evolve" from there is yet to be revealed.

[Superboy2]

With Peter bonding with his mom, I'm guessing he will become more empathetic and his original power will return in the next 3-4 episodes.

[CompanyMan]

Superboy,

If you are trying to bait me, forget it. I already answered to you about that in another thread. I might not be the sharpest crayon in the box, but I'm not the dullest either.

[Superboy2]

I'm not trying to bait you, its my theory.

[itsonlypoint07]

the way i interpret it is there must be some sort of emotional response for sylar.. i.e. his mom dying and his dad leaving, his first kill, elle's reaction, and presumablly the fear of the shapeshifter. and peter's was the same way, but reversed.. he was in such an emotional state that he was just pulling them from everywhere. he got nikki's ability at kirby plaza, why not d.l.'s or micha's?

[Pyramid84]

I think the writers allow Sylar to appear/disappear very quickly simply for dramatic effect, as they have done with him since season 1. Often times the simplest explanation is the correct one. Also, I think the apartment scene was to enable Sylar to "connect" with the shapeshifter allowing him to absorb the ability through empathy.

[CompanyMan]

Also, I think the apartment scene was to enable Sylar to "connect" with the shapeshifter allowing him to absorb the ability through empathy.

What empathy? Could anyone show me where he showed any empathy towards the shapeshifter? Did I fall asleep during the part where he leveled with the shapeshifter and had a heart-to-heart talk with him like he did with Elle?

[targis]

What empathy? Could anyone show me where he showed any empathy towards the shapeshifter? Did I fall asleep during the part where he leveled with the shapeshifter and had a heart-to-heart talk with him like he did with Elle?

Really I don't see why Sylar wouldn't be able to absorb abilitys whenever he comes close to someone else with a power.

Peter didn't have to connect emphathicly with someone to copy their ability. He just had to get close to them.

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And Sylar was emphathic towards Arthur between the time that he was taught by Arthur to use his emphathic mimicry and when Noah told him that Arthur wasn't really his father. So Sylar should have absorbed all of Arthurs abilitys during that time becuase he did show empithay toward him for awhile there. Sylar would have coppied both teleportation/time travel and mind control. He could have used either one of those for the scene in Danko's car.

[Pyramid84]

Both the shapeshifter and Sylar like to disguise themselves as other people. Empathy towards someone doesn't necessarily mean having a heart-to-heart, just that you can feel how they feel.

[CompanyMan]

Well, as Otto Berkely from HeroSite.net once said, "it’s a plothole that pulls viewers who remember the backstory out of the narrative, because they now spend the rest of the scene halfheartedly trying to think up an explanation."

Granted, this quote was from way back in volume three and about another topic. But it semi-fits this scene (I don't see an actual plot-hole). Sylar was displaying nothing but the eagerness to gain the shapeshifter's power--otherwise known as "the hunger." Saying that he used empathy to gain the power is nothing but speculation. Even my theory is based upon speculation. But I like it better. He made a cut in the base of the shapeshifter's skull to gain access to the brain and then Danko used the cut to shove a knife in so it would look like the real Sylar is dead. But I'm not the one who thought of it. Kudos to Yoshua, who thought of it first. If Sylar was using empathy, then why did Not!Sylar start wimpering?

[Pyramid84]

Yes, it is all speculative at this point, and it would sure be nice if the show explained these inconsistencies. When Peter had EM he absorbed power by just being in close proximity, he didn't have to empathize at all, most notably gaining D.L.'s phase ability.
These problems arised when they did the retcon at the beginning of the season.

[targis]

I don't think Noah will fall for it anyway. If I would have been him I would have thought to myself "what is Sylar doing here at the bar where we are hunting the shapeshifter and how did Sylar know to come here?" Then I would have thought where is the shapeshifter then?


Also Noah wouldn't belive that Danko could take out someone like SYlar so easily.

[CompanyMan]

I don't think Noah will fall for it anyway. If I would have been him I would have thought to myself "what is Sylar doing here at the bar where we are hunting the shapeshifter and how did Sylar know to come here?" Then I would have thought where is the shapeshifter then?


Also Noah wouldn't belive that Danko could take out someone like SYlar so easily.

I agree whole-heartedly with you. In fact I was thinking the very same thing. With Sylars TK, it is almost impossible to get close enough to him to stab him with a knife.

[targis]

Looking back I wonder how did Arthur even know that Sylar had empathic mimicry as a power anyway and how did he know that he had always had it. Sylar didn't even know he had it so how did Arthur?

[CompanyMan]

I don't know. I always considered that to be a "hiccup" on the writer's part. Volume three had a number of problems. That's why they hired Bryan Fuller back, to fix where the fired writers went wrong. It certainly doesn't fit in with Sylar's usual MO or with his ability of intuitive aptitude making him hungry for more powers.

[targis]

It seemed to me like he was using a power like Maury Parkman was using to make Nathan see Linderman.

[kuragg]

In the third episode of the first season he performed a jump just like it to escape Matt and Audrey after trying to abduct Molly. The producers said he used his telekenisis to make the leap. If you can repel objects as big as a truck, it's certainly feasible to propel yourself off the ground with his level of skill.