Why do so many characters have to convince Clark of his "feelings" for Lois?

[Snowfire]

In Hex, we once again saw Chloe pimping Lois, and Clark not admiting to anything she was trying to insinuate. Funny enough, Clark even called out Chloe on her projecting her own situation on his, so there was nothing to indicate he agreed to her assessment of his love life.

Why do TPTB constantly have to tell us Clark has interest for Lois and not show us?

I know one of the reasons is because it would be in real bad taste to have Clark tell us that he's moved on from Lana so soon and easily. We know he can't made into a superjerk, so everyone else has to speak on his behalf and look like bad.

Clark's a big boy and has never had trouble communicating, acting upon and being open about his love for Lana all those years. But now we have so little insight in his mind or heart and so we are lead to believe what other characters want us to believe.

We never had to doubt his feelings for her because he always talked about them and demonstrated his devotion and affection for Lana. This season however, countless characters have implied or alluded to some "feeling" Clark has for Lois but Clark has always shot those notions down. The one time he almost acted on some feeling was then quickly ignored in Bride. With Lana alive, Clark's love for her will always come first. But as this season concluded and aother one is going to be made, this continuous stressing of the issue of Clois is only going to get worse. All we need now is Jor-El to tell his son that "Lois is his destiny" and have Clark acquiesce to the overwhelming peer pressure.

Poor Clark. People are always trying to tell him what to do.

[BackToTheLies]

which characters are you referring to?

The only ones that come to mind are Chloe and Jimmy, and even Jimmy was spending more time working Lois to get her onto Clark.

Chloe has only ever offered objective advice as a sincere friend. Other than that, the Clark reversing the question onto Chloe is textbook Clark changing the subject whenever anyone is getting close to the truth. He used to do it with Lana many times whenever she tried to pull his card on strange happenings (before she found out about him being from another planet)

It's obviously not going to be as smooth sailing to make the decision to go after Lois as it was Lana. After all, the Lana thing started in high school and this is grown up games now.

[izanami]

Yeah, yeah, you like Clana not Clois. We get it...

[gilliang]

Yeah, yeah, you like Clana not Clois. We get it...

*snort*

[mr lane]

Yeah, yeah, you like Clana not Clois. We get it...


:cool:

Chloe seems to me like she is only trying to get Clark to confess the true feelings he has but we've seen since season 4 that Clark didn't think he could see Lois in that way but now that he is he's afraid to admitt it when everyone around him is obvious to the fact that Clark does feel something.

i also think that after the lana thing maybe he feels confused. he's loved lana for so long it must be a new feeling for him to have strong feelings for someone else who doesn't need to wear a kryptonite suit to save the world (did i just say that?)

[costas22]

I don't think it's about convincing him.It's about making him admit his feelings.It's what Chloe told him.He knows that Lois is a part of his life,it's just a matter of him realising that he can give love a second chance.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Actually, what it is is Chloe confronting Clark about his feelings for Lois that are obvious to her. He's yet to talk about them, so naturally she's trying to get him to open up to her. The other characters you're talking about might be Maxima and Faora who sensed his attraction to Lois and pointed it out.

I guess you could go back to episodes where Chloe pointed out that Clark liked Lana along with characters like Alicia and Lex, and the list goes on. This is how the writers let you know perhaps what a character is thinking. They did do it with Lana as well. Perhaps you've forgotten. We never needed the pimping, because the writers forgot that Clark was the main character and made him pine for her. [shakes head in disgust]

Reality is, the execution of this episode and the Clois so far has been outstanding. It's a grown up relationship. We cannot say anything of the sort for any other relationship that Clark's been in especially Lana who he broke up with countless times. They were both with other people, especially Lana who married and slept with Lex. There's not even a comparison, because that relationship wasn't built on trust or confidence. It was built on insecurities and them trying to force themselves together. There's a reason why they never stayed together. He was in high school with Lana, and it was totally different.

He and Lois are friends that have always had an underlining attraction for one another. Their relationship is built on trust, confidence, loyalty and love, and that's what makes an everlasting relationship!;)

[Snowfire]

which characters are you referring to?

The only ones that come to mind are Chloe and Jimmy, and even Jimmy was spending more time working Lois to get her onto Clark.

Chloe has only ever offered objective advice as a sincere friend. Other than that, the Clark reversing the question onto Chloe is textbook Clark changing the subject whenever anyone is getting close to the truth. He used to do it with Lana many times whenever she tried to pull his card on strange happenings (before she found out about him being from another planet)

It's obviously not going to be as smooth sailing to make the decision to go after Lois as it was Lana. After all, the Lana thing started in high school and this is grown up games now.

Chloe, Jimmy, Kara, Maxima, Faora, Oliver, Martha and even Lana was made to impy something back in Gone, when she didn't even know anything about Lois and Clark.

Chloe's sincerity is flawed if she's so ignorant of Lana feelings and is so wishwashy in her support over the past epiosdes. She has enough problems in her own love life she should not be giving advice to the one man she could never get with. Chloe's Clois cheerleading is so artificial. Hex just proved how envious she was of Lois.

[desertcoyote]

I don't think it's about convincing him.It's about making him admit his feelings.It's what Chloe told him.He knows that Lois is a part of his life,it's just a matter of him realising that he can give love a second chance.

I agree 100%. He knows how he feels for Lois, but as Chloe said... how many times can you get burned?

[Minela]

Yes Captain, you did just say that. :D

My opinion is this: Clark just doesn't want to admit he likes Lois. Let's face facts, it would be just really easy for him if he didn't like her that way. He is used to sweet vanilla. He is comfortable liking sweet vanilla. Wild cherry would just complicate his already way too complicated life. Add to that that his heart was just stomped on and that it is hard for anybody to give their heart out a second time (after the first time ended so badly), let alone give it to somebody who might just laugh in your face because of it. It would take a huge leap of faith on Clark's part to admit he is head over heals gaga over Lois. It might just have to take a stronger man, like a Superman.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Chloe, Jimmy, Kara, Maxima, Faora, Oliver, Martha and even Lana was made to impy something back in Gone, when she didn't even know anything about Lois and Clark.

Chloe's sincerity is flawed if she's so ignorant of Lana feelings and is so wishwashy in her support over the past epiosdes. She has enough problems in her own love life she should not be giving advice to the one man she could never get with. Chloe's Clois cheerleading is so artificial. Hex just proved how envious she was of Lois.

I didn't find it artificial at all. In fact, Clark's her best friend, and Lois is her cousin. That's a natural conversation to have with either. She knows there are strong feelings on both ends, and I find it very refreshing that she's able to bring it up to Clark.

Such a great Chlark friendship scene!!:D

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Yes Captain, you did just say that. :D

My opinion is this: Clark just doesn't want to admit he likes Lois. Let's face facts, it would be just really easy for him if he didn't like her that way. He is used to sweet vanilla. He is comfortable liking sweet vanilla. Wild cherry would just complicate his already way too complicated life. Add to that that his heart was just stomped on and that it is hard for anybody to give their heart out a second time (after the first time ended so badly), let alone give it to somebody who might just laugh in your face because of it. It would take a huge leap of faith on Clark's part to admit he is head over heals gaga over Lois. It might just have to take a stronger man, like a Superman.


You got that right!:lol:

[Dresden]

Chloe, Jimmy, Kara, Maxima, Faora, Oliver, Martha and even Lana was made to imply something back in Gone, when she didn't even know anything about Lois and Clark.


There is a flaw in what you are stating. None of these characters (besides Jimmy and that has always been directed at Lois) has actively attempted to *convince* either Clark or Lois of their feelings for one another. What these characters have done is *noticed* the feelings and *commented* on them. There's a huge difference. These characters notice the chemistry between Clark and Lois and bring it up. Nothing wrong with that when the audience notices and feels it, too.

As to why the writers don't go full fledged Clois, I thought that was common knowledge. Initially there were restrictions and now they are wanting to develop it slowly and stretch it out into season 9.

[mr lane]

yes captain, you did just say that. :d

my opinion is this: Clark just doesn't want to admit he likes lois. Let's face facts, it would be just really easy for him if he didn't like her that way. He is used to sweet vanilla. He is comfortable liking sweet vanilla. Wild cherry would just complicate his already way too complicated life. Add to that that his heart was just stomped on and that it is hard for anybody to give their heart out a second time (after the first time ended so badly), let alone give it to somebody who might just laugh in your face because of it. It would take a huge leap of faith on clark's part to admit he is head over heals gaga over lois. it might just have to take a stronger man, like a superman.

agreed

[costas22]

As to why the writers don't go full fledged Clois, I thought that was common knowledge. Initially there were restrictions and now they are wanting to develop it slowly and stretch it out into season 9.

That's true.I just hope that they don't drag it out to the point it becomes Clana 2.

[Snowfire]

I don't think it's about convincing him.It's about making him admit his feelings.It's what Chloe told him.He knows that Lois is a part of his life,it's just a matter of him realising that he can give love a second chance.

Why does he have to give love a second chance when nothing's been shown to prove he gave up or moved on from Lana. The last thing he said to Lana in Requiem was "I love you", not goodbye.

To have people try to make him "admit" he has feelings for someone else when he's still so in love with Lana is disrepsectful and insensitive to her and their relationship. And it's Chloe, out of all people who is prodding him to get see Lois as more than just friends. Last time I check Lana was her friend too. The loyalties of these characters this season is so lacking.

[mr lane]

Chloe, Jimmy, Kara, Maxima, Faora, Oliver, Martha and even Lana was made to impy something back in Gone, when she didn't even know anything about Lois and Clark.

Chloe's sincerity is flawed if she's so ignorant of Lana feelings and is so wishwashy in her support over the past epiosdes. She has enough problems in her own love life she should not be giving advice to the one man she could never get with. Chloe's Clois cheerleading is so artificial. Hex just proved how envious she was of Lois.

a lot of people had to remind clark that he liked lana as well because clark isn't the best when it comes to talking about how he feels

chloe, pete, martha, johnathan, lex, alicia

on and on i think if i actually wanted to research it his Clana reminding list is way bigger :cool:

[clois-destiny-forever]

There is a flaw in what you are stating. None of these characters (besides Jimmy and that has always been directed at Lois) has actively attempted to *convince* either Clark or Lois of their feelings for one another. What these characters have done is *noticed* the feelings and *commented* on them. There's a huge difference. These characters notice the chemistry between Clark and Lois and bring it up. Nothing wrong with that when the audience notices and feels it, too.

As to why the writers don't go full fledged Clois, I thought that was common knowledge. Initially there were restrictions and now they are wanting to develop it slowly and stretch it out into season 9.

Agreed!

And Chloe's been wishywashy in support of Clark's relationships her entire life. That's nothing new.

[costas22]

Why does he have to give love a second chance when nothing's been shown to prove he gave up or moved on from Lana. The last thing he said to Lana in Requiem was "I love you", not goodbye.

To have people try to make him "admit" he has feelings for someone else when he's still so in love with Lana is disrepsectful and insensitive to her and their relationship. And it's Chloe, out of all people who is prodding him to get see Lois as more than just friends. Last time I check Lana was her friend too. The loyalties of these characters this season is so lacking.

That was the exact same problem i had before Infamous.I thought that it would disrespect the emotions that Clark went through in his last scene with Lana.But in the end they handled it pretty well.I think that last night was no different.Clark started developing some feelings for Lois before Lana came back.I don't think that those disappeared overnight.What Chloe is telling him,is that if you think you can feel love for someone else give it a try.As far as Chloe goes,what can i say?She was going back and forth in Bulletproof and Power,pimping Clois in one and Clana in the other.

[BackToTheLies]

Why does he have to give love a second chance when nothing's been shown to prove he gave up or moved on from Lana. The last thing he said to Lana in Requiem was "I love you", not goodbye.

To have people try to make him "admit" he has feelings for someone else when he's still so in love with Lana is disrepsectful and insensitive to her and their relationship. And it's Chloe, out of all people who is prodding him to get see Lois as more than just friends. Last time I check Lana was her friend too. The loyalties of these characters this season is so lacking.


I'm pretty sure Lana said goodbye to him, even after him generating the strength to kiss her when she was infused with Kryptonite, which kind of is a repeated pattern no matter how hard he tried.

To top it off, in the same conversation she admitted that she wasn't strong enough to stay in the same town and look at him. She couldn't take that. She wasn't even accepting enough to just play her role as a regular being. She had to go out and get that bodysuit moulded onto her.

All of this is polarised against Lois' never-say-die attitude, acceptance ("why should I think I'm special?") and work ethic which brings out Lois in a more outstanding light (as to how she can support Clark) in comparison.

[mr lane]

Why does he have to give love a second chance when nothing's been shown to prove he gave up or moved on from Lana. The last thing he said to Lana in Requiem was "I love you", not goodbye.

To have people try to make him "admit" he has feelings for someone else when he's still so in love with Lana is disrepsectful and insensitive to her and their relationship. And it's Chloe, out of all people who is prodding him to get see Lois as more than just friends. Last time I check Lana was her friend too. The loyalties of these characters this season is so lacking.


he has to give love a second chance because there is no other chance with Lana at this time, she was the one who decided to leave without trying to work harder on being together, clark can't just live his life waiting to see if she comes back or not. no matter if the break up was mutual or not it was done and like any other break up you have to move on from it

[Snowfire]

There is a flaw in what you are stating. None of these characters (besides Jimmy and that has always been directed at Lois) has actively attempted to *convince* either Clark or Lois of their feelings for one another. What these characters have done is *noticed* the feelings and *commented* on them. There's a huge difference. These characters notice the chemistry between Clark and Lois and bring it up. Nothing wrong with that when the audience notices and feels it, too.

As to why the writers don't go full fledged Clois, I thought that was common knowledge. Initially there were restrictions and now they are wanting to develop it slowly and stretch it out into season 9.

So Clark has become as clueless as Lois is by just being around her and needs other people to tell him he has feelings for someone.

He knew he liked and then loved Lana. He knew he liked but didn't love Chloe. He knew he liked Kyla and Alicia, but they died before he fell in love with them. But now after all those experience he has no idea about his feelings for Lois or is not being honest with himself when all he's every shown was an open heart. Wow, if that doesn't sound out of character for Clark, I don't know what does. So emotionally he's even more immature than when he first realized he fell in love Lana at 5 years old. How does that make sense?!

[Dresden]

Why does he have to give love a second chance when nothing's been shown to prove he gave up or moved on from Lana. The last thing he said to Lana in Requiem was "I love you", not goodbye.

Again, a flaw in this statement. As of Hex there is concrete evidence that Clark *is* moving on from Lana, or are you completely ignoring the toast he had with Chloe? Here's the dialogue:

Chloe: Just because you were burned once, doesn't mean you can't give it a second chance.
Clark: Are we still talking about me? (pause) Or you and Jimmy?
Chloe: I'm talking about *neither* of us living in the past. We can never be who we want to be if we are looking at your shoulder at what *could* have been. Clark: (pensive at first, thinking it over and then a slight smile) Cheers to that.

This scene couldn't be more clear. Clark tried to deflect as he usually does but this time CHloe didn't allow him to. Instead of saying that she was talking about Jimmy and herself she clarified that she was talking about *both* of the couples and Clark cheered to her statement. The man believes that he needs to be moving on and not looking back on his shoulder to (Clana) if he's ever going to be who he wants to be (Superman).


To have people try to make him "admit" he has feelings for someone else when he's still so in love with Lana is disrepsectful and insensitive to her and their relationship. That's your opinion. I thought it was disrespectful and insensitive to bring up clana once again after it had been buried last season and Clark was finally moving on. I thought it was disrespectful and insensitive to have Lana be a superhero and Clark literally on his knees to her. So we'll just have to agree to disagree on this...


And it's Chloe, out of all people who is prodding him to get see Lois as more than just friends. Last time I check Lana was her friend too. The loyalties of these characters this season is so lacking.

So now this is about loyalties? Chloe is Lois's cousin. Blood over water in this case and more to the point, logic and truth over loyalties...

[eas]

In Hex, we once again saw Chloe pimping Lois, and Clark not admiting to anything she was trying to insinuate. Funny enough, Clark even called out Chloe on her projecting her own situation on his, so there was nothing to indicate he agreed to her assessment of his love life.

[...]

Poor Clark. People are always trying to tell him what to do.

Chloe wasn't trying to convince Clark he had feelings for Lois. She knows he has feelings for Lois and she told him that she knows. Clark, for his part, didn't want to talk to her about it and so he changed the subject.

This is exactly what happened at the end of "Infamous" -- she wanted to get him to talk about important Lois was to him and he changed the subject. She even said, "Uh... speaking of...." because she was amused that he wasn't even trying to hide how badly he didn't want to talk about it with her.

He's not denying anything to anyone. What he's doing is trying to keep his feelings for Lois private and feels that it's not a conversation he needs to have with Chloe. That's all.

And this isn't even new -- Chloe and Clark had a similar conversation in "Toxic". They also had a similar conversation in "Bulletproof".

Chloe has - this whole season - been noticing that the dynamics between Clark & Lois are changing. She - naturally - is very curious about this whole thing, because Clark is her best friend and Lois is her cousin.

But she's not trying to pressure Clark or anything. She just wants to know what's going on. And Clark, for his part, is basically telling her to mind her own business.

[Dresden]

So Clark has become as clueless as Lois is by just being around her and needs other people to tell him he has feelings for someone.



Clark isn't clueless. Clark has been through a traumatizing and unhealthy relationship with Lana. Of course he isn't going to be rushing towards Lois and of course he is going to hesitate in revealing his emotions. None of this means he is clueless.


He knew he liked and then loved Lana. So emotionally he's even more immature than when he first realized he fell in love Lana at 5 years old. How does that make sense?! But that has always been the problem with Clana. Clark loved Lana at five years old. Clark loved Lana before knowing who Lana was. Clana has always been superficial and nothing else. With Clois, they actually know each other. Who is Lana? Who knows but Clark has supposedly loved her since they were children. Give me a break. :lol:

[alma]

I think that Chloe has been the most vocal about Clark's feelings for Lois. Now that she's been in Lois's shoes, she knows that Clark has some feelings for Lois and she just wants him to accept it and not push it away. :)

[thehenry89]

*sigh*

No one is trying to convince clark that he has feelings for lois, they just pick up on his feelings. Even freakin oliver waaaaay back when noticed how clark and lois sparked, even the all knowing all seeing lana lang picked up on it, this isn't anything new.

[Dresden]

This is exactly what happened at the end of "Infamous" -- she wanted to get him to talk about important Lois was to him and he changed the subject. She even said, "Uh... speaking of...." because she was amused that he wasn't even trying to hide how badly he didn't want to talk about it with her.



Exactly and I like how unlike in Infamous Chloe didn't let Clark get away with deflecting. She made it a point to state that she was talking about both Chimmy and Clois and then at the end Clark took it all in an made a cheers to leaving the past behind and moving forward.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Chloe wasn't trying to convince Clark he had feelings for Lois. She knows he has feelings for Lois and she told him that she knows. Clark, for his part, didn't want to talk to her about it and so he changed the subject.

This is exactly what happened at the end of "Infamous" -- she wanted to get him to talk about important Lois was to him and he changed the subject. She even said, "Uh... speaking of...." because she was amused that he wasn't even trying to hide how badly he didn't want to talk about it with her.

He's not denying anything to anyone. What he's doing is trying to keep his feelings for Lois private and feels that it's not a conversation he needs to have with Chloe. That's all.

And this isn't even new -- Chloe and Clark had a similar conversation in "Toxic". They also had a similar conversation in "Bulletproof".

Chloe has - this whole season - been noticing that the dynamics between Clark & Lois are changing. She - naturally - is very curious about this whole thing, because Clark is her best friend and Lois is her cousin.

But she's not trying to pressure Clark or anything. She just wants to know what's going on. And Clark, for his part, is basically telling her to mind her own business.

Very well said, Sana! I couldn't agree more!!

[Snowfire]

a lot of people had to remind clark that he liked lana as well because clark isn't the best when it comes to talking about how he feels

chloe, pete, martha, johnathan, lex, alicia

on and on i think if i actually wanted to research it his Clana reminding list is way bigger :cool:

He fell in love with her at 5 years old! He told everyone about his love for her. His loved one only encouraged and supported his intitial feeling for her. he didn't need convincing. But he did need people to convince to work at preserving their relationship, because he was trying to protect, yadda yadda yadda.

What has Clark ever said to indicate he loves Lois. One year of developing attachment can't compare to more than 75% of his life being devoted to one girl.

[eas]

He knew he liked and then loved Lana.

He liked Lana? Huh... that's news to me.

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Exactly and I like how unlike in Infamous Chloe didn't let Clark get away with deflecting. She made it a point to state that she was talking about both Chimmy and Clois and then at the end Clark took it all in an made a cheers to leaving the past behind and moving forward.

Yes. This time, Chloe didn't let him drop it. It was as thought she was prepared for him to pull the same stuff and she was like, "Yeah... not this time."

His response, "Cheers to that.", was his way of acknowledging her advice without going into the details of his feelings for Lois.

[Ritza]

He fell in love with her at 5 years old!

:confused:

*face palm*

And you don't see how that is so wrong? Clark falling in love with Lana at five years old without ever meeting her? Oh my...

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One year of developing attachment can't compare to more than 75% of his life being devoted to one girl.75% of his life? You say that as though Clark will die this year. He's what 21 or 22? He has his entire life of ahead him. Lana isn't everything to him. She's his childhood, his fantasy, but more importantly, his past.

[Deana]

The characters aren't convincing Clark that he has "Feelings" for Lois. They are making him admit or should I say acknowledge that he has feelings. It's called moving the plot along.

They did it with Clana (that obsessive vacuum that they dare to call a relationship) too.

[mr lane]

He fell in love with her at 5 years old! He told everyone about his love for her. His loved one only encouraged and supported his intitial feeling for her. he didn't need convincing. But he did need people to convince to work at preserving their relationship, because he was trying to protect, yadda yadda yadda.

What has Clark ever said to indicate he loves Lois. One year of developing attachment can't compare to more than 75% of his life being devoted to one girl.

i never said he loves Lois (yet) but he can't deny that he is developing strong feelings for her

look what happened with him flaunting his love for lana, it ended badly, very badly so is it wrong of him to want to keep his feelings to himself this time around? he doesn't want to be hurt again he's putting up walls of his own.

it seems to me like he feels if he denies his feelings maybe they wont get stronger, maybe he can avoid the same heart breaking situation he had with lana.

but the fact that he doesn't verbally talk about the subject doesn't hide his physical actions

clark maybe alien but his feelings resemble that of a human 90% of the time

[thehenry89]

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75% of his life? You say that as though Clark will die this year. He's what 21 or 22? He has his entire life of ahead him.

:lol: technically he has several life times ahead of him, and the bulk of his first one will be spent with Lois.

Lana was a painful drawn out blip on the clark kent radar.

[eas]

He fell in love with her at 5 years old! He told everyone about his love for her. His loved one only encouraged and supported his intitial feeling for her. he didn't need convincing. But he did need people to convince to work at preserving their relationship, because he was trying to protect, yadda yadda yadda.

What has Clark ever said to indicate he loves Lois. One year of developing attachment can't compare to more than 75% of his life being devoted to one girl.

I'm not understanding your argument. At this point, you're debating "Lana vs. Lois". That's a departure from the topic of this thread.

So, I don't know what to say. Shipping is subjective. There is an argument that can be made that Lana Lang is the love of Clark's life and he'll never anyone more than her. An argument can also be made that Clark got over Lana after she left and he settled for her when she got back, because it was the easy fork in the road to choose.

Either way, no one is out to convince Clark (or the shippers) which girl is better for him. No character has outright said, "Dump Lana and go with Lois" or vice versa. Clark's got a brain and (for the most part) knows how to use it. And he's incredibly stubborn. Other characters can give their opinion as much as they want, but Clark will pretty much do whatever he wants.

[clois-destiny-forever]

He fell in love with her at 5 years old! He told everyone about his love for her. His loved one only encouraged and supported his intitial feeling for her. he didn't need convincing. But he did need people to convince to work at preserving their relationship, because he was trying to protect, yadda yadda yadda.

What has Clark ever said to indicate he loves Lois. One year of developing attachment can't compare to more than 75% of his life being devoted to one girl.

"Love" from 5 years old doesn't last. He was a child. Now he's a man. That's a big difference in what "love" is.

[thehenry89]

i never said he loves Lois (yet) but he can't deny that he is developing strong feelings for her

look what happened with him flaunting his love for lana, it ended badly, very badly so is it wrong of him to want to keep his feelings to himself this time around? he doesn't want to be hurt again he's putting up walls of his own.

it seems to me like he feels if he denies his feelings maybe they wont get stronger, maybe he can avoid the same heart breaking situation he had with lana.

but the fact that he doesn't verbally talk about the subject doesn't hide his physical actions

clark maybe alien but his feelings resemble that of a human 90% of the time


well said josh :)

It's like clark isnt allowed to move on with his life, and have emotions and feelings.

[Snowfire]

:confused:

*face palm*

And you don't see how that is so wrong? Clark falling in love with Lana at five years old without ever meeting her? Oh my...


75% of his life? You say that as though Clark will die this year. He's what 21 or 22? He has his entire life of ahead him. Lana isn't everything to him. She's his childhood, his fantasy, but more importantly, his past.


Hey Clark said it not me. And Smallville has been based on that love ever since. Even when he lost his memories in Blank, who has the one person he fell in love with at first sight Lana. The heart never lies and Clark's has always been set on Lana.

Well this show is probably going to finish next year so Clark's story is not going to last much longer. The future is still open to interpretation and in this universe Lana has just as much of a chance at ending up with Clark as Lois does.

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"Love" from 5 years old doesn't last. He was a child. Now he's a man. That's a big difference in what "love" is.

And he wasn't a man a few episoded back in Bulletproof, Power and Requiem. Please. Love only grow bigger with time and Clana's love is like a tree compared to the Clois sapling.

[Dresden]

75% of his life? You say that as though Clark will die this year. He's what 21 or 22? He has his entire life of ahead him. Lana isn't everything to him. She's his childhood, his fantasy, but more importantly, his past.:rotfl:

Touche! But let's do math on this for fun. Clark's loved Lana from the age of 5 to...how old is he know? 22? That's 17 years of loving...and realistically only 7ish years of loving her in a non-stalker way... :lol: With Lois he's going to love her from 22 until the end of his life, but let's say 100 years since we don't know how long Superman will live... that's about 78 years dedicated to loving Lois. So to recap:

Clana = 7 years of love (non stalker), 17 years total
Clois = 78 years of pure untainted love

Hmmm...which one wins? :cool:

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Hey Clark said it not me. And Smallville has been based on that love ever since. Even when he lost his memories in Blank, who has the one person he fell in love with at first sight Lana. The heart never lies and Clark's has always been set on Lana.


You keep on bringing up things that are a disservice to Clana. That Blank episode was the worst. Again Clark *proved* that he loves Lana not for who she is but how she looks. He sees her and he loves her. Do you honestly not see a problem with that? Love at first sight may be romantic but it's still superficial and it doesn't hold much substance.

[myankskent]

That's true.I just hope that they don't drag it out to the point it becomes Clana 2.

If TPTB can actually show a Clois relationship on Smallville, it won't become Clana 2. If TPTB refuse to put Clois together until the end of the series, and even worse, a 10th season is made, then it would be in danger of becoming Clana 2. I don't believe that it will ever get that bad, however, with ED's limited episodes and not as many seasons dedicated to it.

[gilliang]

"Love" from 5 years old doesn't last. He was a child. Now he's a man. That's a big difference in what "love" is.

Agreed. In fact, I'd go as far as to say Clark's love for Lana almost became an infatuation. It was almost like...routine, like he believed that since he loved her when he was younger he had to continue loving her. It was safe.

[myankskent]

And it's Chloe, out of all people who is prodding him to get see Lois as more than just friends.


Well, the issue that I have with Chloe is that she is all over the place on this show. She'll pimp anything that pushes the plot in a certain direction which is why I think TPTB need to stop doing this with her character and have the storylines play out naturally.

[Sunny8]

...One year of developing attachment can't compare to more than 75% of his life being devoted to one girl.

A man can live with a woman for 8 years and not marry her, end the relationship, meet a new women the next day and marry the woman he just met. It happens all the time and the woman that was with him for 8 years wonders why he never married her.

Applying this to Clark, time does not matter. I knew an older couple from my church that were married for 50 years. They said that they met and married each other in just two weeks time.

I don't want to be insensitive to what you are trying to say, Snowfire, because I know that you really loved Clana. However, the show runner's made it clear that Clana was a doomed relationship from the get go. Neither Clark nor Lana have to be doomed to be single forever, though. Well, I don't know if Lana can ever be with anyone considering that she is krypto infested, but if not, why does she or Clark have to be single for the rest of their lives just because they cannot be together?

[thehenry89]

And he wasn't a man a few episoded back in Bulletproof, Power and Requiem. Please. Love only grow bigger with time and Clana's love is like a tree compared to the Clois sapling.

:rotfl: maybe a tree stump.

but seriously, clark and lana never had a real chance to enjoy their relationship because they were always too bogged down in angst, not to mention the lack of trust and communication on both sides.

Not to mention this great love of clarks life prefered an evil clone to the real thing so yeah there love isn't epic.

When you bend the branches of an old tree they give way and snap, when you do the same to a younger tree, they tend to bounce back ;).

[costas22]

If TPTB can actually show a Clois relationship on Smallville, it won't become Clana 2. If TPTB refuse to put Clois together until the end of the series, and even worse, a 10th season is made, then it would be in danger of becoming Clana 2. I don't believe that it will ever get that bad, however, with ED's limited episodes and not as many seasons dedicated to it.

It won't feel like Clana 2 for sure.I believe that there was a time when Clana was acceptable as well but they dragged it out to the point that when the relationship actually took place,most people didn't want it.Yes Lois' absence does keep this ship fresh,i just hope that some of those limitations can get bypassed.

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

The answer to this question is simple for me:

Because Clark is afraid to admit it, he won't accept the fact that Lana left him, or accept the fact that he would learn to love someone else--Lois.

Before, the always fought each other, and Clark had no idea that it would ever come to this.

Clark loves Lois, he is just denying it completely because he believed too much that Lana was his destined love forever and ever, he was like on opium. (However you spell that)

[Snowfire]

:rotfl:

Touche! But let's do math on this for fun. Clark's loved Lana from the age of 5 to...how old is he know? 22? That's 17 years of loving...and realistically only 7ish years of loving her in a non-stalker way... :lol: With Lois he's going to love her from 22 until the end of his life, but let's say 100 years since we don't know how long Superman will live... that's about 78 years dedicated to loving Lois. So to recap:

Clana = 7 years of love (non stalker), 17 years total
Clois = 78 years of pure untainted love

Hmmm...which one wins? :cool:

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You keep on bringing up things that are a disservice to Clana. That Blank episode was the worst. Again Clark *proved* that he loves Lana not for who she is but how she looks. He sees her and he loves her. Do you honestly not see a problem with that? Love at first sight may be romantic but it's still superficial and it doesn't hold much substance.

Resorting to the mythos again. That's all you have left isn't it. I only watch and care about Smallville. And it's time is running out. I'll be happy to move on after that. But you can continue reading you're neverending comic books.

Blank was another episode in which Clark and Lana's spiritual connection was present. I thought people like talking about soulmates here and that episode helped Clark and Lana connect even with Lois Lane right there in front of him. True love never lies.

[Tompouce]

[quote=Mickey_Bickey;4669405]I didn't find it artificial at all. In fact, Clark's her best friend, and Lois is her cousin. That's a natural conversation to have with either. She knows there are strong feelings on both ends, and I find it very refreshing that she's able to bring it up to Clark.

Such a great Chlark friendship scene!!:D
quote]
Exactly especially the Clark's "cheers" with their coffees:D

[gilliang]

Resorting to the mythos again. That's all you have left isn't it. I only watch and care about Smallville. And it's time is running out. I'll be happy to move on after that. But you can continue reading you're neverending comic books.

Blank was another episode in which Clark and Lana's spiritual connection was present. I thought people like talking about soulmates here and that episode helped Clark and Lana connect even with Lois Lane right there in front of him. True love never lies.

Well it seems the only argument you have left is that she was his first love.

[Tompouce]

Resorting to the mythos again. That's all you have left isn't it. I only watch and care about Smallville. And it's time is running out. I'll be happy to move on after that. But you can continue reading you're neverending comic books.

Blank was another episode in which Clark and Lana's spiritual connection was present. I thought people like talking about soulmates here and that episode helped Clark and Lana connect even with Lois Lane right there in front of him. True love never lies.
I don't want to offend you but if you talk about Lana and Clark's love , the word many people think is : lie

[myankskent]

Well this show is probably going to finish next year so Clark's story is not going to last much longer. The future is still open to interpretation and in this universe Lana has just as much of a chance at ending up with Clark as Lois does.


Not anymore. Lana is kryptonite infected which means that she can't end up with Clark.

[Dresden]

Resorting to the mythos again.

:confused:

When did I mention the mythos? I'm clearly talking about Lois and Clark in Smallville and their love now until the end. Foreseeing a future for the SV-characters doesn't have to do with the mythos. I'm sorry that for you Clana ends when SV ends but Clois keeps on going. That's what happens with *true* love. ;)


That's all you have left isn't it. No, actually I have this season and then next season. :D What about yourself? SV dvds of seasons 1-7? Well enjoy those...


Blank was another episode in which Clark and Lana's spiritual connection was present. I thought people like talking about soulmates here and that episode helped Clark and Lana connect even with Lois Lane right there in front of him. True love never lies.A spiritual connection present from the age of five. That cannot be taken seriously. It just can't. Every time I think about Blank or a five year old Clark thinking he's in love with Lana it just makes me laugh because it's so childish and immature and superficial. :lol:

[ooglebug]

The answer to this question is simple for me:

Because Clark is afraid to admit it, he won't accept the fact that Lana left him, or accept the fact that he would learn to love someone else--Lois.

Before, the always fought each other, and Clark had no idea that it would ever come to this.

Clark loves Lois, he is just denying it completely because he believed too much that Lana was his destined love forever and ever, he was like on opium. (However you spell that)

agreed!
i mean i think a lot of people can relate to finding yourself having feelings for someone you really dont, at that time, feel comfortable having.
it comes through in their banter and heart to hearts but fear and awkwardness made it and still make it hard for both to show their feelings.

about clana - i just think that was the most clark had loved someone before and he didnt have anything to compare it to that was stronger. thats the reason behind his obsession and commitment to her; he just thought this was as much as he could love someone and that nothing would beat it. his feelings for lois took time to develop because sometimes thats just how it works, plus the fear and weirdness and insanity that he must have also felt along with them, and now hes truly opening his eyes he will realise that this love is different and stronger and just better lol...

[Snowfire]

A man can live with a woman for 8 years and not marry her, end the relationship, meet a new women the next day and marry the woman he just met. It happens all the time and the woman that was with him for 8 years wonders why he never married her.

Applying this to Clark, time does not matter. I knew an older couple from my church that were married for 50 years. They said that they met and married each other in just two weeks time.

I don't want to be insensitive to what you are trying to say, Snowfire, because I know that you really loved Clana. However, the show runner's made it clear that Clana was a doomed relationship from the get go. Neither Clark nor Lana have to be doomed to be single forever, though. Well, I don't know if Lana can ever be with anyone considering that she is krypto infested, but if not, why does she or Clark have to be single for the rest of their lives just because they cannot be together?

The point of this thread is to reflect on Clark's character in relation to the women he's fallen for. And in all the past episodes he's never had to have his love for someone spelled out for him. He's known it and acted upon it. Can't he just take a break from the love drama for a bit or is the Clois steamroller so important to keep this story going.

[thehenry89]

The point of this thread is to reflect on Clark's character in relation to the women he's fallen for. And in all the past episodes he's never had to have his love for someone spelled out for him. He's known it and acted upon it. Can't he just take a break from the love drama for a bit or is the Clois steamroller so important to keep this story going.

The person i was "in love with" at 5 is not the person I ended up with, I'm sorry but in reality you very seldom end up with your first love.

[BackToTheLies]

The point of this thread is to reflect on Clark's character in relation to the women he's fallen for. And in all the past episodes he's never had to have his love for someone spelled out for him. He's known it and acted upon it. Can't he just take a break from the love drama for a bit or is the Clois steamroller so important to keep this story going.

I would just disagree with you on two things:

1. No one is going as far as "spelling out" anything for him with Lois.

2. To say Clark has "acted upon it" is an exaggeration and even against the arc of his Smallville character growing up in his relationship with Lana. He even let her pass into Lex's bed before he sometimes kicked into gear about how he truly felt about her in moments.

[Snowfire]

Well it seems the only argument you have left is that she was his first love.

Well after watching 8 years of Smallville I could safely say she is his only love. Things may change next year but I live in the present.

[ClumsyGRL]

clark is on denial.. who's better than chloe to tell him that??? chloe knows clark even better than him so to me it's not strange at all. and noboby is "convincing clark" he knows that he has feelings otherwise he would have said something to refute chloe's speech!!!! and to me it's pretty normal when somebody falls in love but 'cause they don´t want to, they try to hide it(denial), but everybody sees it except for the person in cause.

[eas]

No, actually I have this season and then next season. :D What about yourself? SV dvds of seasons 1-7? Well enjoy those...

LOL... very true.

[jobookjunkie]

The point of this thread is to reflect on Clark's character in relation to the women he's fallen for. And in all the past episodes he's never had to have his love for someone spelled out for him. He's known it and acted upon it. Can't he just take a break from the love drama for a bit or is the Clois steamroller so important to keep this story going.

He isn't having his feelings spelled out for him. In fact so far this season it's been shown that Clark has feelings for Lois but every time these feelings have been mentioned, Clark has deliberately changed the subject or been completely silent - see Infamous and Hex as examples of this. I don't think the Clois steamroller is what's keeping the story going, it's a subplot to the development of Clark into Superman, evidenced by his job at the DP and the exploits of the Red Blue Blur. Doomday is ultimately where this story is headed, I don't see why Clark can't fell for Lois at the same time.

Just my two pence.

[moviefan2k4]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but it was Lana herself who first noticed a connection between Lois & Clark, mentioning it to him in Season 4's "Gone".

[eas]

Well after watching 8 years of Smallville I could safely say she is his only love. Things may change next year but I live in the present.

But, in the present, she's poisonous to him. Like, literally, touching her will kill him.

And we've also seen that he hasn't given it much thought since that last good-bye. He could have gone back in time and "saved" her in "Infamous" and he didn't. He didn't even think about Lana when Zatanna asked him his deepest wish. When Chloe mentioned that Tess tried to kill Lana, he shrugged it off and made excuses for Tess.

If this all leads up to Lana being his ONLY love in the present then that makes for a very weak love, imo.

But, again, I feel like you started this thread with one question & now you've turned into a "Lana vs. Lois" thread.

[thehenry89]

I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but it was Lana herself who first noticed a connection between Lois & Clark, mentioning it to him in Season 4's "Gone".

straight from the horses mouth

[eas]

The point of this thread is to reflect on Clark's character in relation to the women he's fallen for. And in all the past episodes he's never had to have his love for someone spelled out for him. He's known it and acted upon it. Can't he just take a break from the love drama for a bit or is the Clois steamroller so important to keep this story going.

I don't think he's acted on his love for Lana, at all. It took them years to get to the point where they were living together - and, even then, they weren't happy.

[thehenry89]

But, in the present, she's poisonous to him. Like, literally, touching her will kill him.

And we've also seen that he hasn't given it much thought since that last good-bye. He could have gone back in time and "saved" her in "Infamous" and he didn't. He didn't even think about Lana when Zatanna asked him his deepest wish. When Chloe mentioned that Tess tried to kill Lana, he shrugged it off and made excuses for Tess.

If this all leads up to Lana being his ONLY love in the present then that makes for a very weak love, imo.

But, again, I feel like you started this thread with one question & now you've turned into a "Lana vs. Lois" thread.

ITA

[Snowfire]

Not anymore. Lana is kryptonite infected which means that she can't end up with Clark.

And she wears a necklace that is symoblic of how Clark and Lana have another chance. The necklace was neutralized in the second season and Clark held onto it for years until it finally went back to its owner. Kryptonite is not a dead end but a detour in Clana path.

If people keep taking me on these tangents then I'm going to have to indulge in my Clana love. I have no problem with it, it's just getting off topic a bit.

[gilliang]

Well to put things back on topic then.

Answer: They don't. You're misinterpreting things.

[BackToTheLies]

And she wears a necklace that is symoblic of how Clark and Lana have another chance. The necklace was neutralized in the second season and Clark held onto it for years until it finally went back to its owner. Kryptonite is not a dead end but a detour in Clana path.

If people keep taking me on these tangents then I'm going to have to indulge in my Clana love. I have no problem with it, it's just getting off topic a bit.

Lol but man, when Clark brought the necklace back Lana even ADMONISHED him for doing so because she was convinced he was still looking backwards rather than forward.

[Dresden]

Well to put things back on topic then.

Answer: They don't. You're misinterpreting things.

:lol: And yeah, agreed!

[Snowfire]

But, in the present, she's poisonous to him. Like, literally, touching her will kill him.

And we've also seen that he hasn't given it much thought since that last good-bye. He could have gone back in time and "saved" her in "Infamous" and he didn't. He didn't even think about Lana when Zatanna asked him his deepest wish. When Chloe mentioned that Tess tried to kill Lana, he shrugged it off and made excuses for Tess.

If this all leads up to Lana being his ONLY love in the present then that makes for a very weak love, imo.

But, again, I feel like you started this thread with one question & now you've turned into a "Lana vs. Lois" thread.

I'm only comparing the two because that's all we have to compare. The only reason this thread may be getting off topic is by those picking apart my responses to start min-debates, that I have to try to respond to as succinctly and quiclkly as I can. I'm just one girl. This forum is not very friendly to Clana fans. And I can see way so many have left.

And just because she's "poisonous" to him it doesn't mean he loves her less, he loves her more by risking his life for one more kiss with her. Isn't love supposed to be about taking risks.

[Timester]

And she wears a necklace that is symoblic of how Clark and Lana have another chance. The necklace was neutralized in the second season and Clark held onto it for years until it finally went back to its owner. Kryptonite is not a dead end but a detour in Clana path.

You got the symbolism wrong. Lana uses the necklace to remind us how everything started, with Clark not able to get to her because the Kryptonite.

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And just because she's "poisonous" to him doesn't love her less, he loves her more by risking his life for one more kiss with her. Isn't love supposed to be about taking risks.

Then why isn't he looking for the cure?

[wafflles87]

Ok, time for some tough love, Cam style.

Lana is gone and having Clark cry about it for ever would not be benefitial to the show in any way. He's moving on, and I say good for him.

[Snowfire]

You got the symbolism wrong. Lana uses the necklace to remind us how everything started, with Clark not able to get to her because the Kryptonite.

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Then why isn't he looking for the cure?

Everything in Clana comes full cirlce, and Lan being a personifaction of the necklace could suggest that next season she will also get the K neutralized. [mod edit].

And if Lana (Kristin) was still on the show you think he and she wouldn't be looking for a cure onscreen. Who knows what they are doing offscreen? You can see their glass as half empty and I can see it as half full. I like being positive.

[Amelie]

You got the symbolism wrong. Lana uses the necklace to remind us how everything started, with Clark not able to get to her because the Kryptonite.



Yes, that is sad but true. The only cure for Lana is via the fanfic community.

[Dominicus]

Well after watching 8 years of Smallville I could safely say she is his only love. Things may change next year but I live in the present.Clark falls in love with every woman who bats her eyes in his direction. He loved Alicia Baker, the one who tried to kill his beloved Lana, and even said so. "I loved her, and you took her away from me!" As far as their strong spiritual bond, sorry that crumbles in Hypnotic where Clark makes out with Simone and dumps Lana without hesitation despite her protest, whereas, Instinct and Bloodline killed the spiritual Lana theory.

Current acts to clear past blindness. On a spiritual instinctual level, it has always been Lois. Not to mention Clark's territorial issues this Lois, season five, Aqua, AC rings a bell, even though he was with Lana at the time. Every relationship Lois has had he has shown am instinctive territorial side he has not really shown with anyone else, from Fade to Identity. This relationship was building since Lois came to SV, starting most clearly in Lucy, first and foremost it is instinct.

Lets go back to season four, Recruit for an example.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTYlYjNaboQ

[Timester]

Everything in Clana comes full cirlce, and Lan being a personifaction of the necklace could suggest that next season she will also get the K neutralized. Do you get it now, pessimistic one.

First, read the rules.

Second, it suggest nothing because he clearly doesn't care about it (excluding the fact that KK is not coming back). It was stated on the show that he dealt with Lana leaving by patroling even more as RBB.


And if Lana (Kristin) was still on the show you think he and she wouldn't be looking for a cure onscreen. Who knows what they are doing offscreen? You can see their glass as half empty and I can see it as half full. I like being positive.

And I like being pragmatic, seeing things for what they are. The thing is there is no hint at all of him looking for a cure, heck, he is even more focused on Lois than ever before.

[theotherJane]

Clana end and the aftermath is just bad writing. That's what I see anyway.

Sana has a point when she says if he loves her so much, why did he not use the ring before she was infected with kryptonite. After Requiem aired, Lana didn't even get a mention and during Requiem we were led to believe that Clark will love no other woman as much as he loved Lana and that he'll have a hard time recovering.

This was one ridiculous storyline and which ever way you look at it, makes no sense what-so-ever.

[Timester]

Clana end and the aftermath is just bad writing. That's what I see anyway.

Sana has a point when she says if he loves her so much, why did he not use the ring before she was infected with kryptonite. After Requiem aired, Lana didn't even get a mention and during Requiem we were led to believe that Clark will love no other woman as much as he loved Lana and that he'll have a hard time recovering.

This was one ridiculous storyline and which ever way you look at it, makes no sense what-so-ever.

Yep.

One would think that he would do anything to be with Lana, yet it's like the Power arc never happened. Not that I care about the arc.

[ClumsyGRL]

oh my, this thread is so going to be closed... why are people discussing lana??? she wasn't even in this eppi!!!!!she's gone for god!!!soo, back to the topic,

clark is in denial, so that's why everyone(chloe) is calling him on his feelings for lois!

[supes0]

but the fact that he doesn't verbally talk about the subject doesn't hide his physical actions


That he doesn't talk (or whine) about what he's feeling for Lois incessantly is I think, deliberate on the part of tptb. It's the difference between the man and the boy.

Sana has a great post in the "is he in love with Lois yet" thread which analyzes his growing relationship with Lois lot better than I ever could.

He does not want to face his feelings for Lois because he doesn't want to feel these feelings. This has been the case since she crashed in to his life. Even Lana didn't believe him when he told her he couldn't stand Lois.

The strong emotional reactions he has around Lois obviously make him uncomfortable, and have since day one.

I think Hex put the proverbial ball in Clark's hands. His brain wants to keep Lois firmly in the "friend" box, but his heart isn't listening. By the time he realizes he is fighting a losing battle, I think he'll find he has super competition. :lol:

[Timester]

oh my, this thread is so going to be closed... why are people discussing lana??? she wasn't even in this eppi!!!!!she's gone for god!!!soo, back to the topic,

Well, talking about Clana does make sense, since Chloe did brought it on the show.

[Dresden]

After Requiem aired, Lana didn't even get a mention and during Requiem we were led to believe that Clark will love no other woman as much as he loved Lana and that he'll have a hard time recovering.



The Clana arc was the problem. It was clearly supposed to be part of season 7 and when PS3 dumped it on this season it made no sense with the progression of the series and of the Clark character. Post-arc the episodes that would have fit in perfectly pre-arc are a bit shaky and until Hex I was unsure of the direction but now I'm convinced that PS3 will do Clois justice. And writers like Brian Q. Miller are to thank! I'm personally excited about the episode we will see after next week. That one will be insane! :)

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Yep.

One would think that he would do anything to be with Lana, yet it's like the Power arc never happened. Not that I care about the arc.

That's why that arc is so ridiculous, even more now in retrospect. It was classic pandering. Now it's completely forgotten and clana is more silly than ever. A love so strong that it's forgotten in less than a month! :lol:

[Dominicus]

oh my, this thread is so going to be closed... why are people discussing lana??? she wasn't even in this eppi!!!!!she's gone for god!!!soo, back to the topic,

clark is in denial, so that's why everyone(chloe) is calling him on his feelings for lois!Agreed, though, I don't think he's in denial, more so he's afraid.

[ClumsyGRL]

Well, talking about Clana does make sense, since Chloe did brought it on the show.

ok!maybe it does make sense, but i got the felling this thread was turning into Clana versus Clois AGAIN!!!!!!

[Snowfire]

That he doesn't talk (or whine) about what he's feeling for Lois incessantly is I think, deliberate on the part of tptb. It's the difference between the man and the boy.

Sana has a great post in the "is he in love with Lois yet" thread which analyzes his growing relationship with Lois lot better than I ever could.

He does not want to face his feelings for Lois because he doesn't want to feel these feelings. This has been the case since she crashed in to his life. Even Lana didn't believe him when he told her he couldn't stand Lois.

The strong emotional reactions he has around Lois obviously make him uncomfortable, and have since day one.

I think Hex put the proverbial ball in Clark's hands. His brain wants to keep Lois firmly in the "friend" box, but his heart isn't listening. By the time he realizes he is fighting a losing battle, I think he'll find he has super competition. :lol:

But the fact that he's not outwordly expressing that to anyone, let alone himself, and their relationship is getting talked about more than actually happening is not helping the situation. He could say he likes Lois but doesn't want to move on so soon but he's not so why do we have to see something that isn't there yet. Once Clark says it I'll believe it.

[Timester]

That's why that arc is so ridiculous, even more now in retrospect. It was classic pandering. Now it's completely forgotten and clana is more silly than ever. A love so strong that it's forgotten in less than a month! :lol:

It's not the first time they done it. The Adam Arc and Witch Arc just came to my mind.

Amazing that is always Lana arcs...

[ClumsyGRL]

Agreed, though, I don't think he's in denial, more so he's afraid.

afraid of what??
do you think he's already in love and he's afraid to act??? confused, i understand but afraid? sorry don't see it....

[Dominicus]

But the fact that he's not outwordly expressing that to anyone, let alone himself, and their relationship is getting talked about more than actually happening is not helping the situation. He could say he likes Lois but doesn't want to move on so soon but he's not so why do we have to see something that isn't there yet. Once Clark says it I'll believe it.Actually, he has, more then once, Bloodline talking with Kara not wanting expose his world to Lois, and to Lois in Infamous for the first time verbalizing something in that direction, telling her "you don't get it, you are special." Grabbing her hand for a dance, then movies in to kiss in Bride. This season isn't over, and Clark is becoming more aware of his feelings. People pointed out Clark's moping over Lana, why is this any different?

[thehenry89]

afraid of what??
do you think he's already in love and he's to afraid to act??? confused, i understand but afraid? sorry don't see it.... so again, i ask
afraid of what?

I think he's afraid of getting burned again, and so he's being careful with lois.

[mr lane]

I think he's afraid of getting burned again, and so he's being careful with lois.

agreed

you know the fact that Clark isnt throwing himself on Lois' lap like he did with Lana shows to me that he is maturing.

this time he's considering his feelings and what they mean and not just acting out of what he thinks might be love

[supes0]

But the fact that he's not outwordly expressing that to anyone, let alone himself, and their relationship is getting talked about more than actually happening is not helping the situation. He could say he likes Lois but doesn't want to move on so soon but he's not so why do we have to see something that isn't there yet. Once Clark says it I'll believe it.

By this logic he could also say he doesn't have any feelings for Lois and he is still madly in love with Lana. He doesn't.

He doesn't say anything because he is fighting emotions he doesn't want to feel.

His relationship with Lois is being discussed in a non invasive manner by Chloe. In other words Chloe is not telling him he is in love with Lois. She is saying that while he thought she was Lois it was obvious to her he has feelings for Lois. Clark doesn't say NO, like he did to Lana when she pointed out the same thing.

He just changes the subject.

Clark is a man now, he is dealing with his own feelings on his own, not dragging others in to his internal struggles.

[Mai4et0]

It's really stupid I know, I thought I was the only one who notice that but.. wow guess not... And what's up with Chloe convensing Clark in what he feels, Yes she knows him like no one else but still.. I'm begining to think Chloe will become Clark and superman... Just STOP! Maybe The writters are trying to make final impression of Chloe before they kill her but this isn't the way, the way was the final scene in Hex, the watchtower not Clark's monitor.. They put it too much on the show, that's what I think!

[ClumsyGRL]

I think he's afraid of getting burned again, and so he's being careful with lois.


but lois is already moving on with her life....he lost his opportunite,what's left to be careful about????:rolleyes: ok. i understand now the "afraid" part!thanks;)

[Dominicus]

afraid of what??
do you think he's already in love and he's to afraid to act??? confused, i understand but afraid? sorry don't see it....Well Chloe said it with living in the past, afraid of getting burned again, afraid to expose her to what was exposed to Lana as he blames himself for everything. He's afraid someone will do another Lex, and to hurt him, is to hurt those he cares about. Infamous is what made him more reluctant, when the Government went after Lois because of her connection with him. In bloodline he also mentioned keeping his secret to not expose her, however in the same regard he says that almost got her killed.

Clark is fearful, and short-sighted. So what he thinks is the best solution is always to wrong. To quote infamous

Clark: All of this made one thing very clear, Chloe -- Lois can never know who I really am.
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<O:P>Chloe: </O:P>Clark, is it safe to say that maybe another benefit from protecting your secret getting to protect your getting hurt?

[thehenry89]

but lois is already moving on with her life....he lost his opportunite,what's left to be careful about????:rolleyes: ok. i understand now the "afraid" part!thanks;)

Well all three of his relationships have ended in tragedy, so I completly understand his denial/fear.

[Snowfire]

Actually, he has, more then once, Bloodline talking with Kara not wanting expose his world to Lois, and to Lois in Infamous for the first time verbalizing something in that direction, telling her "you don't get it, you are special." Grabbing her hand for a dance, then movies in to kiss in Bride. This season isn't over, and Clark is becoming more aware of his feelings. People pointed out Clark's moping over Lana, why is this any different?

But he's not in love with her, even a poll on this thread says "he's not in love with her yet, but getting there", so what is he admiting then. He can find her attractive, intriguing, exicting, that she's "special", but he's never said he loves her or wants to be with her. So what's is all this love talk about. They aren't there yet.

Oprah's on. Seeyas.

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

agreed!
i mean i think a lot of people can relate to finding yourself having feelings for someone you really dont, at that time, feel comfortable having.
it comes through in their banter and heart to hearts but fear and awkwardness made it and still make it hard for both to show their feelings.

about clana - i just think that was the most clark had loved someone before and he didnt have anything to compare it to that was stronger. thats the reason behind his obsession and commitment to her; he just thought this was as much as he could love someone and that nothing would beat it. his feelings for lois took time to develop because sometimes thats just how it works, plus the fear and weirdness and insanity that he must have also felt along with them, and now hes truly opening his eyes he will realise that this love is different and stronger and just better lol...

Agreed. Clark should finally learn when he's having a relationship with Lois, (or almost) whenever he's around her, he should realize that being with her is more fun.

Plus, they can talk to each other more, and there's nono of this "secrets and lies" BS.

But there should be, it should be fun, the more confronatations there are with Lois, Clark will want to meet Lois but he will have to either work, or save a life, and then Lois will be suspicious of why Clark keeps disappearing, then she will get mad.

The only difference to this, is that Lois is not Lana. :D

Why couldn't Clark realize YEARS AGO, that if Lana is fighting with him all the time about his secrets for so many years, then he should just forget ever trying to get her love because it's just too complicated already.

What kind of love is it anyway, if Lana just argued with Clark all the time, and be judgemental of him?

Clark loved Lana in season 1, I can understand that, everyone does. But then...season 2-4, and the last half of season 5 through the middle of season 6, I don't think so.

[supes0]

But he's not in love with her,

No one was saying he was. Not Chloe, or any of the other characters. They are telling him they see he has feelings for Lois which is very very different from being in love.

He is not ready to admit his feelings can't be fought, let alone love.

[ClumsyGRL]

Well Chloe said it with living in the past, afraid of getting burned again, afraid to expose her to what was exposed to Lana as he blames himself for everything. He's afraid someone will do another Lex, and to hurt him, is to hurt those he cares about. Infamous is what what made him more reluctant, when the Government went after Lois because of her connection with him. In bloodline he also mention keeping his secret to not expose her, however in the same regard he says that almost got her killed.

Clark is fearful, and short-sighted. So what he thinks is the best solution is always to wrong. To quote infamous

Clark: All of this made one thing very clear, Chloe -- Lois can never know who I really am.
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<o:p>Chloe: </o:p>Clark, is it safe to say that maybe another benefit from protecting your secret getting to protect your getting hurt?

yep! it makes a lot of sense now!!!! i don't see it like that,thou i understand everything you said.thanks:)

[Dominicus]

Well all three of his relationships have ended in tragedy, so I completly understand his denial/fear.Really, anyone who has any romantic involvement with Clark dies, or something tragic occurs, Kyla, Lana, Alicia, the bad ones, Simone, Dawn Stiles, Maxima and the list goes on. Lucy expressed interest and was never heard from again!

[Mickey_Bickey]

Ok, time for some tough love, Cam style.

Lana is gone and having Clark cry about it for ever would not be benefitial to the show in any way. He's moving on, and I say good for him.

Here Here! Thank God they didn't have Clark moping about Lana at all! We saw enough of that for 7 seasons!

Onward!!;)

[SVfanGirl]

I agree. No one should have to convince him. I'm not convinced he has "feelings" for her either. So far their scenes together lately have seemed awkward and contrived.

[mr lane]

ok, time for some tough love, cam style.

Lana is gone and having clark cry about it for ever would not be benefitial to the show in any way. He's moving on, and i say good for him.

cheers to that

[Mickey_Bickey]

Well after watching 8 years of Smallville I could safely say she is his only love. Things may change next year but I live in the present.


The present has Clark saying "Cheers to that" after Chloe states you can't keep looking over your shoulder!!:lol:

The present also had Clark giving Lois the look of love and then watching her with a gleam in his eye (DP scene holding the framed rules) that told everyone he's not letting her go!

The love of his life is Lois Lane, and the audience just got a glimpse last night at how good that relationship really is compared to the foolhardy, angsty so called realtionships of his past. Let the games begin off the field!!;)

[MrZeppo]

He fell in love with her at 5 years old! He told everyone about his love for her. His loved one only encouraged and supported his intitial feeling for her. he didn't need convincing. But he did need people to convince to work at preserving their relationship, because he was trying to protect, yadda yadda yadda.

What has Clark ever said to indicate he loves Lois. One year of developing attachment can't compare to more than 75% of his life being devoted to one girl.

Sorry Snowfire, that's not how life works.

When I was 5 I was "in LOVE" with a girl in my class. I was infatuated with her until high school, I believe she was my soulmate, we dated for a short while, and she ended up moving to California when I was 16. I could have sat there and pined after her and wondered what could have been. In fact, remembering my teenage years I think I did do that for a year. But I moved on. I've had plenty of relationships afterwards.

And never once did I turn around to one of those new relationships and tell them I was "in love" with the or "loved" them before we got into a relationship. Because that's despiration & kind of pathetic. Personally I played things very close to the chest, just like Clark. Going around and talking about your feelings like that is something you'd see in a teenie bopper drama, like 90210. And Smallville has grown past that.

Yes, Clark has been in love with Lana for years. It doesn't mean he can't move on from that. Because Lana walked away from him. When Clark told Lana he wanted her in his life even if they couldn't be together, she still walked away. Clark was left with no choice but to move on in his life. He's not the boy he was, throwing a baseball around the barn and pining after Lana. He's a grown man and fully capable of moving on with his life.

Just my personal opinion, I don't think you're looking at any of this objectively. Is he in love with Lois? Hell no. He's smitten & in denial. Obviously so. No one is saying Clark is in love with Lois. He obviously "loves" her in the way he cares about anyone. But at this point it isn't some teenage or overidealized MarySue romance.

However Chloe, as his best friend, is calling him out on his BS. Which is what best friends do. And even though you can deny it all you want, Clark could have very easily at any of these points said, "I don't like Lois like that." But he doesn't say that because he does have feelings for Lois.

[Dominicus]

But he's not in love with her, even a poll on this thread says "he's not in love with her yet, but getting there", so what is he admiting then. He can find her attractive, intriguing, exicting, that she's "special", but he's never said he loves her or wants to be with her. So what's is all this love talk about. They aren't there yet.

Oprah's on. Seeyas.A poll is based on opinion and I could care less of, it's unsubstantial. I would never present that as an argument based on suggestion. It has no barring on the episode or what has transpired on the show. I'm basing it on Clark's actions and his instinctual behavior, want him to verbalize it, well the season isn't over. However, he certainly hasn't denied his feelings either when someone calls him out on it. And he did grab her hand for that dance in Bride, leading in the almost kiss until the infamous interruptus. This showed his romantic interest. His debate on the Coffee date, deciding at the last minute to back out because of his Infamous experience.

Moreover, by Chloe's cupid playing as predicted sheds more light. Chloe is the one who knows Clark better then he knows himself, she was reluctant at first with Lois. However, once she has seen his interest, and that look, a look she had always wanted to received, saying " You never look at me that way before..." Chloe was stunned/amazed. Though Clark thought it was Lois. Chloe knew that look and had an revelation/epiphany, now she is calling him out on his feelings.

Words are a bonus, action is everything, what you are willing to do, or sacrifice. Clark would rather suffer alone then expose Lois to what he feels may danger her. Look at hard it was to get Lois to admit her feelings, it was forced, but it didn't make it any less true, or what was obvious to some. These are stubborn people who let their safeguards rule them.

[jobookjunkie]

^^Dom I totally agree with you. I couldn't have said it better myself :D

[mrw66855]

Here is how I see it. Clark does not want to admit to himself that he likes Lois, because that will probably cause him to want to be in a relationship. And that will put Lois in danger, which is something he does not want to do. And besides Lois and Clark had never actually needed to admit their feelings directly to one another. They know they like each other and that is what matters they do not need to say it they can show it instead. Look at what Clark went through with lana. They verbally admitted their feelings for each other, and it got to the point where Clark almost felt obligated to make the relationship work and kept telling himself that he loved her when his actions. Clearly, said otherwise. I know this will sound cliché, but actions do speak louder than words. And in my opinion, that is true. If someone needs to keep telling themselves and the person they love that they love them. In my opinion by doing this. They are almost trying to convince themselves that they love someone and justify it. I am sorry, but love is not something that you can just explain or justify. Remember. Just my opinions.

[Selina]

I just cant buy the Clark needs convincing argument OP.

You say that people have to convince him of his feelings for Lois but didn't we see exactly the same for Lana? Chloe, Lex, Pete etc all dropped hints to him over how he felt for her. It's no different to what we're seeing with Lois now (except the Clois dynamic imo is miles better but that's another topic of debate).

Also, I can sort of accept your point if Clark has shown he has had no feelings/attraction for Lois but that's not the case, is it? Over the years there have been hints of an attraction between the pair but it's only this season that there attraction has materialised into something much deeper. Just look at the puppy dog eye looks in Bride, Committed, Infamous etc between Clark and Lois. Are those looks not confirmation enough that he feels something towards Lois? Forget "convincing" for a moment and just take another look at thier interactions. Can you honestly say that peoples comments are only confirming what we, the audience, are seeing before our very own eyes?

It's far easier to say he's been convinced over how he feels if you only view it from one angle but looking at thier interaction over the past year, something is most definatly there. I think even the most hard pushed detractors would find it hard to say it's not.

Furthermore, I think you're mistaking convincing for commenting. If people notice a spark between two people, it's natural that they will comment on it. They say love is blind, dont they? Clark feels something but is in denial, which is why he usually goes quiet when the topic is bought up. Though, I think yesterdays episode was a huge stepping stone for him.

I understand that you're a big Clana fan and while thier relationship was special to him, it's not unrealistic for him to love again, even with Lois. People move on. Lana was his first love but the love of his life is to be seen.

[mr lane]

Sorry Snowfire, that's not how life works.

When I was 5 I was "in LOVE" with a girl in my class. I was infatuated with her until high school, I believe she was my soulmate, we dated for a short while, and she ended up moving to California when I was 16. I could have sat there and pined after her and wondered what could have been. In fact, remembering my teenage years I think I did do that for a year. But I moved on. I've had plenty of relationships afterwards.

And never once did I turn around to one of those new relationships and tell them I was "in love" with the or "loved" them before we got into a relationship. Because that's despiration & kind of pathetic. Personally I played things very close to the chest, just like Clark. Going around and talking about your feelings like that is something you'd see in a teenie bopper drama, like 90210. And Smallville has grown past that.

Yes, Clark has been in love with Lana for years. It doesn't mean he can't move on from that. Because Lana walked away from him. When Clark told Lana he wanted her in his life even if they couldn't be together, she still walked away. Clark was left with no choice but to move on in his life. He's not the boy he was, throwing a baseball around the barn and pining after Lana. He's a grown man and fully capable of moving on with his life.

Just my personal opinion, I don't think you're looking at any of this objectively. Is he in love with Lois? Hell no. He's smitten & in denial. Obviously so. No one is saying Clark is in love with Lois. He obviously "loves" her in the way he cares about anyone. But at this point it isn't some teenage or overidealized MarySue romance.

However Chloe, as his best friend, is calling him out on his BS. Which is what best friends do. And even though you can deny it all you want, Clark could have very easily at any of these points said, "I don't like Lois like that." But he doesn't say that because he does have feelings for Lois.

you hit the nail on the head, very nicely said ITA

[Iluvgreen]

She told Clark to face it. He already knew......

[geminis]

Imho, wrong word choice. Nobody is convincing Clark of his feelings for Lois, they are noticing them. If they had convinced him he would have been affirming his love for Lois some time ago.

Clark has been fixated on Lana as his ideal woman so long he's blind to how he truly feels about Lois. He subconsciously goes territorial when a guy shows interest in Lois, making snide comments and jealous looks. He's also learned that people who know his secret are vulnerable; if Lois didn't mean anything to him, why not tell her the truth, as it would make working together easier? He certainly has learned she can handle it and would cover for him. She also gets into enough trouble on her own merits, without his own influence.

Lana is his past, Chloe is married, but Lois is his partner. Because she is special, because she is his future, because he has made mistakes in the past, Clark is treading very carefully with Lois. His skin may be invulnerable but his heart isn't. He's learned that lesson. He hasn't completely realized the depth of what he feels for Lois yet, but he certainly isn't going to talk to Lois' cousin about it, best friend or not. At least, not yet. When he hasn't even admitted it to himself, why tell Chloe (or anyone else) I feel something but am confused? I'm sure Chloe noticed that he also didn't deny his feelings and instead deflected to her and Jimmy.

Ultimately, there are only two people who will convince Clark of his feelings for Lois: and they are Lois and Clark.

[SnowBird]

This was a pretty simple scene where we were to understand that Chloe and Clark are going to move on with their lives from previous relationships. Chloe proved it by becoming Watchtower. Clark is moving on with putting his all in being the RBB and working at the Planet. I liked the mention of Clark having a deadline. He is writing articles and getting into his job. He even mentioned how much he is enjoying working at the DP.

We do see people trying to give Clark advice but I'm not to sure he hasn't got a lot of things figured out for himself and is just polite to the other person. Clark has always had to keep his secret and in doing so, has learned to keep his thoughts to himself. That isn't a bad thing. Like Chloe said, "Loose lips sink ships."

Clark wanting to protect his friends have also kept him from giving out too much information. Clark told Chloe, "she didn't need to know everything" when he first came into contact with the Martian Manhunter. Chloe knows how Clark is, so sometimes she does pry to get information from him. Sometimes he will confide in her, and sometimes not. Clark will listen patiently and then come to his own conclusion as to the best way to handle each situation even when given advice. That is being his own man.

In the case of Lois, he is still trying to figure it out for himself and doesn't need to spill his guts. The viewers, of course, wants to know what is on Clark's mind and uses other people to bring some of his thoughts to the surface. In the case of Lois, we only see clues of how he feels and that will have to be enough for now.

Another thought about Clark holding back his thoughts. Please guys don't get down on me, but males don't always share what they are thinking so why should Clark be any different?

[SVrockschar89]

"convincing" this is tot not the right word because I agree with geminis. "Noticing" is the apt word for this because although Clark is an alien...he's always had a human side and he has a real heart just like the rest of us. The characters on SV are just noticing that Clark has developing feelings for Lois. The look in Hex is convincing enough for me...as someone else said actions speak louder than words and this is most certainly true of this eppy. IMO Clark is protecting his heart but in his own way is protecting Lois from the price it comes with knowing his secret. Clark is really only starting to realize the magnitude of the feelings he has for Lois and he is keeping his feelings to himself on this matter whereas in the past he verbalized his feelings regarding Lana. He as vaguely managed to dodge all convos regarding the matters of his heart toward Lois...While Lana was his first love, Lois will ultimately be his true love.

[Jor-Fer]

As you say snowfire , everybody seems to be trying yo convince him because writers need to rush the Clois.It´s obvious that it´s less than credible at this point so they are putting plot lines about Clois where he can.They know that there isn´t much time to develop the relationship and because of this they are forcing it.

[jlbtjb316]

I do find it frustrating at times on Smallville that we have to be told by other characters what Clark is thinking / feeling or what he should do. I would prefer to simply watch his interaction with other characters and listen to what he says and then draw my own conclusions. I feel bad for Chloe because unfortunately she is the one most often used by the writers to cheerlead the various relationships that they plan to pursue. First she warned Lana about a relationship with Lex then told her to go for it. One week she is cheerleading Clark and Lana, now she is implying that Lana burned Clark and is pushing Clark and Lois. When she switches from week to week, we don't know what she really feels as a character. Knowing how much Chloe cares about her cousin and that she knows Clark's secret and his inability at this time to have an intimate relationship with anyone, I am surprised that she would so readily encourage Clark to try to have a serious relationship with Lois.

As for what Clark's feelings are for Lois, I think this is a difficult time for Clark, and I am not sure that he knows what he is feeling at this point. In the past Clark has pursued relationships with Chloe, Kyla and Alicia when he could not be with Lana. It is understandable that he longs for that type of love and companionship again now that he cannot be with Lana. We know that TPTB plan to follow the Superman mythos and have him end up with Lois, but as of now I think he cares for her and thinks that maybe there could be more between them but is unsure of his feelings. Though I have been told by Chloe that there is something obvious between Clark and Lois, so far I am not feeling the romantic chemistry between them. I think TW and ED have good chemistry together, and I enjoy their lighthearted banter and humor. I realize that chemistry between actors is a very subjective thing. I just don't feel that they have the best romantic chemistry at this time. Perhaps I will feel differently as time goes on. In my opinion he had better romantic chemistry with Kristin Kreuk. (By the way, I also enjoyed their lighthearted / playful moments, but unfortunately TPTB mostly kept that aspect of their relationship in offscreenville and instead kept them mired in angst onscreen.) I think that maybe the reason that I am having a hard time seeing the romantic chemistry is that they have not been shown this way over the last few seasons and have all of sudden switched gears so to speak. I think TPTB should proceed slowly and allow the characters words and actions to speak for themselves instead of using other characters to tell the audience what we should be seeing between Clark and Lois.

It seems that when it comes to Lana and Lois, many fans (on both sides) want their character elevated at the expense of the other. Just because Clark loved Lana does mean that he will not truly love Lois in the future, and just because he loves Lois in the future does not mean that he did not truly love Lana. It will always be difficult to compare the two relationships because Lana and Lois are both very different people. In addition, when Clark and Lois do eventually get together, Clark will also be a different person than he was with Lana. He will love them both at different times in his life, and each love will be beautiful in its own way. To me, it is not necessary to say that one relationship is better than the other.

[mr lane]

I do find it frustrating at times on Smallville that we have to be told by other characters what Clark is thinking / feeling or what he should do. I would prefer to simply watch his interaction with other characters and listen to what he says and then draw my own conclusions. I feel bad for Chloe because unfortunately she is the one most often used by the writers to cheerlead the various relationships that they plan to pursue. First she warned Lana about a relationship with Lex then told her to go for it. One week she is cheerleading Clark and Lana, now she is implying that Lana burned Clark and is pushing Clark and Lois. When she switches from week to week, we don't know what she really feels as a character. Knowing how much Chloe cares about her cousin and that she knows Clark's secret and his inability at this time to have an intimate relationship with anyone, I am surprised that she would so readily encourage Clark to try to have a serious relationship with Lois.

As for what Clark's feelings are for Lois, I think this is a difficult time for Clark, and I am not sure that he knows what he is feeling at this point. In the past Clark has pursued relationships with Chloe, Kyla and Alicia when he could not be with Lana. It is understandable that he longs for that type of love and companionship again now that he cannot be with Lana. We know that TPTB plan to follow the Superman mythos and have him end up with Lois, but as of now I think he cares for her and thinks that maybe there could be more between them but is unsure of his feelings. Though I have been told by Chloe that there is something obvious between Clark and Lois, so far I am not feeling the romantic chemistry between them. I think TW and ED have good chemistry together, and I enjoy their lighthearted banter and humor. I realize that chemistry between actors is a very subjective thing. I just don't feel that they have the best romantic chemistry at this time. Perhaps I will feel differently as time goes on. In my opinion he had better romantic chemistry with Kristin Kreuk. (By the way, I also enjoyed their lighthearted / playful moments, but unfortunately TPTB mostly kept that aspect of their relationship in offscreenville and instead kept them mired in angst onscreen.) I think that maybe the reason that I am having a hard time seeing the romantic chemistry is that they have not been shown this way over the last few seasons and have all of sudden switched gears so to speak. I think TPTB should proceed slowly and allow the characters words and actions to speak for themselves instead of using other characters to tell the audience what we should be seeing between Clark and Lois.

It seems that when it comes to Lana and Lois, many fans (on both sides) want their character elevated at the expense of the other. Just because Clark loved Lana does mean that he will not truly love Lois in the future, and just because he loves Lois in the future does not mean that he did not truly love Lana. It will always be difficult to compare the two relationships because Lana and Lois are both very different people. In addition, when Clark and Lois do eventually get together, Clark will also be a different person than he was with Lana. He will love them both at different times in his life, and each love will be beautiful in its own way. To me, it is not necessary to say that one relationship is better than the other.


gracefully put :cool:

[jlbtjb316]

Regarding Chloe’s statement to Clark about being burned before (presumably in reference to Lana) and the sentiment expressed in this thread that Lana cared more about her powers than about staying to work things out with Clark, I guess I had a different interpretation. If KK hadn't left, TPTB may have tried to keep Clark and Lana together while dragging out a cure, but since they didn't have that option I think they tried to come up with a way to separate them that would be insurmountable. In the minds of the characters, there is no way to solve the problem. The only one that could help them is Dr. Grohl, and Lana said that she had been working with him and they had tried everything that they could to reverse the process. There are no other experts in alien nano-technology that they can consult to try to remove the kryptonite. Given the unusual nature of their problem, I thought that Lana leaving was probably one of the kindest things that she could do for herself and for Clark. She knows that he would probably continue to try to go near her, and she could not bear for him to continue to put himself through that pain, nor could she bear it. It is also understandable to me that she would find it painful to stick around and watch Clark from afar go on with his life and find someone else. She also knows that if she stays, he will once again be distracted from his destiny by trying to find a cure for her. By leaving, she loves him enough to let him go and allow him to try to move on and be happy and fulfill his destiny.

Though Lana has had her faults, I felt sympathy for her because I think she had good intentions in seeking to wear the suit. Lana knew that the technology could not end up in Lex's hands because of the harm that he could inflict on others. Having once had Clark's powers, maybe she saw the potential to enhance her own abilities to help people even more than she normally would be able to. It's true that she could have simply destroyed the technology, but maybe she didn’t want something that could be used to help so many people to be wasted. She knows that whoever wears the suit could be a threat to Clark and knows that if she were to wear the suit that she would not only be able to do good on a much larger scale than she normally would but would not have to worry about it being used to harm Clark. If the technology had been used by someone else, Lana would have no way of ensuring that it would be used for good and that it would not be used against Clark. Maybe that’s why she wanted to wear it herself.

Regardless of why she chose to wear the suit instead of destroying it, I thought they tried to make it very clear that she wanted the suit so that she could "imprint this stamp of positivity on the world" as Carter said. Indeed, Imra in Legion verifies that Lana does use her powers for good. Lana herself tells Tess that she did not put the suit on for protection but so that she could do good in the world. I think the writers tried to show that she has learned from her past mistakes and has searched her heart and motivations and worked to prepare herself for the responsibility and sacrifices that come with wearing the suit. It seemed to me that she did this because it is how she wanted to good in this world. It seems like many feel that her character was not redeemed, that she deserved everything that happened to her and that she should not be forgiven. I feel that she did learn from her mistakes and truly wanted to help make the world a better place. In the end, she could not have known how Lex would take out his revenge on both her and Clark. She will be able to go on and do much good in the world, but both she and Clark will have paid a high personal cost that she could not have anticipated.

It is true that both Clark and Lana made many mistakes in their relationship (even when they had good intentions), and I think that is one reason why Clark is so unsure of his feelings and hesitant to enter into another relationship. One of the reasons that it is so difficult to compare his relationship with Lana to his future relationship with Lois is that Lois’ history with Clark is entirely different than his history with Lana. Hopefully he will not make some of the same mistakes with Lois that he made with Lana. Even though I have never really been a Lois & Clark fan, I am OK with them getting together if it is handled correctly. My main concern is that he not rush into a relationship with Lois only to rehash the same problems that plagued his relationship with Lana. After last week’s episode, he will naturally feel once again that it is too dangerous to share his secret with anyone. He knows that if he tries to have a relationship with Lois without telling her his secret, he will have to constantly lie to her and that would be both hurtful and unfair to her and would damage the foundation of trust necessary to have a healthy relationship. He needs time to figure out if he can ever have a normal human love relationship and how to share his secret while protecting his identity and the lives of those he cares about (dual identity). He also needs to think about the Fortress and completing his training and how that might impact a romantic relationship. I think it is wise for him to try to work through some of these issues before entering into another romantic relationship.

[BackToTheLies]

If anything, reading through this I've realised that maybe the Clana return mid-season had more use in supporting Clois than anyone would like to admit (and i'm a big supporter of Clois).

I didn't actually realise just how much Lana had overtly managed to fail Clark in many ways (as a girlfriend), even if it was for what she saw as a bigger cause.

Lana went about re-writing her own self over the years at great expense and many mistakes, and the biggest cost of them all was her decision that indirectly led to her never being able to be around Clark again. So the suit is more symbolic than I gave it credit for.

In many ways it showed that where Lana is trying to get to her in her life, Lois is already THERE.

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In the past both Lana and Clark have failed each other at times because of secrecy (even if it was well intentioned). For the most part when they were a couple, Lana loved him, supported him, reached out to him, encouraged him, and challenged him. Both Lana and Clark tend to see the best in others, and so even though they both made mistakes and failed each other at times, they continued to love and reach out to each other despite their flaws and shortcomings.

I do agree however that TPTB used the Lana arc to definitively end the Clana relationship and set the stage for the future Clois relationship. I think the writers tried to remain true to what has always been shown on this show – that Clark loves Lana and Lana loves Clark. They did not disrespect the Clana relationship, and they have not tainted (in my view) the love that Clark will have for Lois in the future. I like the fact that the writers did not pit Lana and Lois against each other and put down one relationship to make the other look superior.

Over the years I think the writers have not really known what to do with Lana's character apart from her relationship with Clark, and that is why they have had her try so many things. As for Lois already being THERE, I wish the writers had shown more of her journey instead of fast-tracking her into journalism. They knew that Lois would be a great reporter, and so they put her there. Over the years, Lana has always wanted to find her place in the world and to find a way to help others. I think she has finally found that, but it came at a very high cost to her.