Lois' progress at the Daily Planet.

[costas22]

Has it all happened too fast guys?I am not talking about the rules that Clark framed because that was something special between the 2 of them.But seeing the way they treated her as soon as she came to the DP(when Chloe was really her) and seeing the assignments that she got,i think it has come too soon.When Chloe was at the DP they were showing us her progress.Here some things have come out of nowhere.

[workshyslacker]

I'm just glad we got something for the "show and don't tell" guys. We got to see Lois out on an important assignment, and that Lois is respected (perhaps even as a ballbreaker). I thought it was funny that someone was happy to act as her gopher!

[DigitalKing]

No, that would be "telling." What we saw was the reward for a journey we haven't seen, and nothing seems to have come of it other than a tan for Lois. First class? Please.

Costas22, you're absolutely right.

[costas22]

No, that would be "telling." What we saw was the reward for a journey we haven't seen, and nothing seems to have come of it other than a tan for Lois. First class? Please.

Costas22, you're absolutely right.

So,that was a tan!I thought that my TV was flickering.

[chlo-el]

It was a bit fast how all of the sudden Lois was getting coffee and her laundry done. After seeing Chloe always do grunt work and never see Lois have to pay her dues that was a bit bitter. It was good to see Lois on assignment. But it would have nice to see her actually have to work for it. It would have been nice to see what were these amazing stories that Lois all of the sudden got recognition for?

[Supsfan]

What progress did we really see with Chloe though once she joined the DP? She gets hired in Thirst, we get a little of her going out to hunt a story in Exposed(although credit to Lois & Clark bigtime), in Fade and Subterrean she hardly does anything and Clark does all the legwork(where she might give him 1 piece of info) and she ends up with an article. Most of her work those seasons seemed to focus on sidekicking for Clark(while helping Lana with her problems on the side) more then actually being a journalist. The only other times I remember Chloe actually going out to hunt a story was Fierce and Action in Season 7.

In Lois case, in season 6 we get a few episodes of her actually going out an hunting stories(Sneeze, Arrow, Reunion, Combat, Noir, Prototype, Phantom). Season 7(which could have been done way better) we see Lois in all episodes except Bizzaro, Siren, Apocolyspe and Artic(not counting the 1 scene) showing her being a journalist.

[rajman]

shes jumping through the ranks lol although she missed abit of her education out, shes intelligent though, the stories and guts have helped her

[costas22]

What progress did we really see with Chloe though once she joined the DP? She gets hired in Thirst, we get a little of her going out to hunt a story in Exposed(although credit to Lois & Clark bigtime), in Fade and Subterrean she hardly does anything and Clark does all the legwork(where she might give him 1 piece of info) and she ends up with an article. Most of her work those seasons seemed to focus on sidekicking for Clark more then actually being a journalist. The only other times I remember Chloe actually going out to hunt a story was Fierce and Action in Season 7.

In Lois case, in season 6 we get a few episodes of her actually going out an hunting stories(Sneeze, Arrow, Reunion, Combat, Noir, Prototype, Phantom). Season 7(which could have been done way better) we see Lois in all episodes except Bizzaro, Siren, Apocolyspe and Artic(not counting the 1 scene) showing her being a journalist.

With Chloe in Season 5 i remember them showing us whenever she got something new in the paper.Whether it was a byline or a front page article(i think that was in Fade).Lois was a journalist in all the cases you mentioned,but that surely doesn't qualify her for all of this worshiping by the bullpen stuff does it?

[stenochick]

It seems a little over-the-top for me. If I can see anyone being the "It-girl" it is definitely Lois, but it seems as if they left out at least one season of her paying her dues to get the accolades she's getting now.

[Supsfan]

Lois was a journalist in all the cases you mentioned,but that surely doesn't qualify her for all of this worshiping by the bullpen stuff does it?

They definantly should have shown her get an article in Season 7(it would have made perfect sense in Descent after we see her hunt down Lionel in Veritas). But basically if you look at Chloe since Season 5 and Lois since Season 6, I would say Lois actually has more screentime dedicated to her being a journalist(if you seperate the sidekicking aspect from Chloe as something completely different then actual journalism, which makes what happened in Hex make perfect sense if you do).

To be honest while the Exposed Article and Fierce one(assuming she got it because we never saw it actually on screen) made sense for Chloe because we see her actively go out and work for them. The Fade and Subterrean articles came out of nowhere. In Lois' case we see her actually go out and hunt down the Sneeze Article, 2 Green Arrow ones, Combat and the one from Plastique.

['Tonio09]

It was a bit fast how all of the sudden Lois was getting coffee and her laundry done. After seeing Chloe always do grunt work and never see Lois have to pay her dues that was a bit bitter. It was good to see Lois on assignment. But it would have nice to see her actually have to work for it. It would have been nice to see what were these amazing stories that Lois all of the sudden got recognition for?

Agreed.

[costas22]

They definantly should have shown her get an article in Season 7(it would have made perfect sense in Descent after we see her hunt down Lionel in Veritas). But basically if you look at Chloe since Season 5 and Lois since Season 6, I would say Lois actually has more screentime dedicated to her being a journalist(if you seperate the sidekicking aspect from Chloe).

No doubt about that.I am not saying all of this as a Chloe fan.I am not even a Chloe fan.The reason i mentioned Chloe is because she is the only other example we had.On the other hand,one might say that when Chloe broke into the DP she was more of a ready journalist than Lois was.My problem is that sometimes i watch this show and i wonder if i have missed something.That's what i felt when i saw the scene at the DP.Who knows?Maybe i am overreacting.

[Supsfan]

No doubt about that.I am not saying all of this as a Chloe fan.I am not even a Chloe fan.The reason i mentioned Chloe is because she is the only other example we had.On the other hand,one might say that when Chloe broke into the DP she was more of a ready journalist than Lois was.My problem is that sometimes i watch this show and i wonder if i have missed something.That's what i felt when i saw the scene at the DP.Who knows?Maybe i am overreacting.

Lois worked at a low level paper for a year before she got her break at the DP. I personally can see issues with all 3 characters entry into the Daily Planet personally, but if you going by who has the most impressive resume at the time they got the job, I would argue Lois' was the most impressive(real job experience is worth more then working on a school newpaper or internship).

[Animation]

I think her star has been rising very quickly. She has been landing scoops and making a HUGE name for herself. It has just been all off screen. All those times fans were mad she wasnt on the show, she was making waves and launching her career. I totally love it.

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It seems a little over-the-top for me. If I can see anyone being the "It-girl" it is definitely Lois, but it seems as if they left out at least one season of her paying her dues to get the accolades she's getting now.

I think she has been doing it THIS season, off-camera.

[chlo-el]

What progress did we really see with Chloe though once she joined the DP? She gets hired in Thirst, we get a little of her going out to hunt a story in Exposed(although credit to Lois & Clark bigtime), in Fade and Subterrean she hardly does anything and Clark does all the legwork(where she might give him 1 piece of info) and she ends up with an article. Most of her work those seasons seemed to focus on sidekicking for Clark(while helping Lana with her problems on the side) more then actually being a journalist. The only other times I remember Chloe actually going out to hunt a story was Fierce and Action in Season 7.

In Lois case, in season 6 we get a few episodes of her actually going out an hunting stories(Sneeze, Arrow, Reunion, Combat, Noir, Prototype, Phantom). Season 7(which could have been done way better) we see Lois in all episodes except Bizzaro, Siren, Apocolyspe and Artic(not counting the 1 scene) showing her being a journalist.

We got plenty of progress. And when she was in high school we saw her intern and get peoples laundry. We saw Chloe staying up all night listening for the phones looking for the stories in Exposed. She had help from Lois and Clark but she was the initiator not Lois. She pratically forced Lois to go there and strip. And in Fade she forced Clark to geti nvlolved to as she went after the story as well. We seen chloe struggle for it and not get it. And never be recognized like Lois. All I'm saying is Chloe did the grunt work where Lois never had to.

[Sarevokcz]

^^

yep, Offscreenville, thats the problem with amazing character, which doesnt appear in half of the season, some progression just had to be done offscreen, if we would wait for it to be on screen, there would have been like 5 more seasons tbh.

[chlo-el]

Lois worked at a low level paper for a year before she got her break at the DP. I personally can see issues with all 3 characters entry into the Daily Planet personally, but if you going by who has the most impressive resume at the time they got the job, I would argue Lois' was the most impressive(real job experience is worth more then working on a school newpaper or internship).

Real job experince at a Tabloid? Really? I think her experience was good but it would have been nice for her to go to a respectable paper first. I do think that Lois was more qualified then Clark though. And what is the point of having an interning program when you don't need it?

[myankskent]

Has it all happened too fast guys?I am not talking about the rules that Clark framed because that was something special between the 2 of them.But seeing the way they treated her as soon as she came to the DP(when Chloe was really her) and seeing the assignments that she got,i think it has come too soon.When Chloe was at the DP they were showing us her progress.Here some things have come out of nowhere.

I'm going to leave Chloe out of this because I don't want this to turn into a Chloe vs. Lois war. I do agree with what you have posted here. IMO, my issue is not that TPTB have had Lois succeed at the DP too quickly, it's that they haven't shown nearly enough of it. I'm going to be completely honest with you here....as I was watching this episode, I found myself almost in EDChloe's shoes as she was discovering how successful Lois was at the DP. That's not a good thing, IMO, especially since Lois is supposed to be a main character on Smallville. This is where ED only appearing in 12 episodes and being used more as Clark's love interest really hurts her character, IMO.

[costas22]

Lois worked at a low level paper for a year before she got her break at the DP. I personally can see issues with all 3 characters entry into the Daily Planet personally, but if you going by who has the most impressive resume at the time they got the job, I would argue Lois' was the most impressive(real job experience is worth more then working on a school newpaper or internship).

Well on the show the Inquisitor hasn't been regarded as better than working at the Torch.I also have issues with how they got to the Planet but thats's not my point.As i said above i couldn't understand where this worshipping for Lois came about.It was the first time we saw it this season too.You would think that the DP could have found someone above the basement to meet Dalai Lama.Personally,i think it was an over the top attempt by the writers so that Chloe will realise what she is missing as soon as she enters the DP.

[myankskent]

But basically if you look at Chloe since Season 5 and Lois since Season 6, I would say Lois actually has more screentime dedicated to her being a journalist


I agree, but in season 8, we really haven't seen a lot of Lois and her journalism. From what I can tell, TPTB are using her journalism more as a way to explain why she isn't in an episode rather than actually focusing some episodes around it.

[Supsfan]

We got plenty of progress. And when she was in high school we saw her intern and get peoples laundry. We saw Chloe staying up all night listening for the phones looking for the stories in Exposed. She had help from Lois and Clark but she was the initiator not Lois. She pratically forced Lois to go there and strip. And in Fade she forced Clark to geti nvlolved to as she went after the story as well. We seen chloe struggle for it and not get it. And never be recognized like Lois. All I'm saying is Chloe did the grunt work where Lois never had to.

In the 2 1/2 years Chloe worked at the DP, I think there was a handful of episodes that actually showed her actually doing her job(as I said it seemed like sidekicking for Clark took priority over her job). In Lois' case she took a job at a lower level paper with a bad reputation but got a chance to break stories like the Green Arrow and Combat fighting, that has to be worth something when you moving on to a better paper.


I agree, but in season 8, we really haven't seen a lot of Lois and her journalism. From what I can tell, TPTB are using her journalism more as a way to explain why she isn't in an episode rather than actually focusing some episodes around it.

I can agree with that, I do think the Season 7 Lois DP arc could have been handled much better for starters. As for Season 8 there is no reason when Lois isn't needed in an episode they can have had her in the epsiode and dedicate 5 mintues of screentime devoted to her journalism career(and that would be all her screentime that episode)

They definantly could have devoted an episode or 2 for Clark's entry as well(it could have been as easily explained as him meeting Tess for the first time and her hiring him for ulterior motives).

[costas22]

I'm going to leave Chloe out of this because I don't want this to turn into a Chloe vs. Lois war. I do agree with what you have posted here. IMO, my issue is not that TPTB have had Lois succeed at the DP too quickly, it's that they haven't shown nearly enough of it. I'm going to be completely honest with you here....as I was watching this episode, I found myself almost in EDChloe's shoes as she was discovering how successful Lois was at the DP. That's not a good thing, IMO, especially since Lois is supposed to be a main character on Smallville. This is where ED only appearing in 12 episodes and being used more as Clark's love interest really hurts her character, IMO.

I agree.I don't want to spark a Chloe vs Lois war either.It could have been Alicia in Chloe's place and i would have said the same things.They feel that Lois primarily has one use:Clark's love interest.If she has made such a great progress,good for her.But the viewer has rarely been along for the ride.And as i said,at least with Chloe they let you enjoy her success.Here you never realise when it happens.

[workshyslacker]

No, that would be "telling." What we saw was the reward for a journey we haven't seen, and nothing seems to have come of it other than a tan for Lois. First class? Please.


I think we'll just agree to disagree. :cool:

[costas22]

I can agree with that, I do think the Season 7 Lois DP arc could have been handled much better for starters. As for Season 8 there is no reason when Lois isn't needed in an episode they can have had her in the epsiode and dedicate 5 mintues of screentime devoted to her journalism career(and that would be all her screentime that episode) <!-- / message --><!-- edit note -->

She was supposed to have a big storyline with Lex in Season 7 that revolved around her career as a journalist but we never saw it.

[myankskent]

I can agree with that, I do think the Season 7 Lois DP arc could have been handled much better for starters. As for Season 8 there is no reason when Lois isn't needed in an episode they can have had her in the epsiode and dedicate 5 mintues of screentime devoted to her journalism career(and that would be all her screentime that episode)

Yeah, well even in this episode, she was off on assignment and did TPTB care enough to mention the fact that she had an article published at the end of the episode? No, they didn't. I can't understand why that is.

[Bacio83]

I have to echo a lot of what other people are saying here. Firstly I don't believe the career Lois has carved out for herself seems to be too fast. What we learned is that Chloe is the polar opposite of her cousin. Lois is a pittbull and Chloe is more subtle. It's almost mind over matter, the way the bullpen treats Lois is because her personality demands it. While both cousins I believe are equal in their reporting skills, (Chloe being out of the game for a while but still) Lois is the one who has been pursuing a career for the past two years and Chloe has not. As a Chloe and Lois fan I hate pitting them against each other, Chloe could have tried to get her job back this throwback to whatifs has proved to her that she doesn't really want to be a reporter. As fans, light switch or not we have to accept it, just as fans of Lois we have to accept that we've been robbed of Lois' progression. And only get to see her accomplishements in one episode through the eyes of Chloe.

Of course it may seem too soon to see Lois Lane get all these accolades but it's typical Lois Lane to be the center of attention, we've never really seen Chloe in that role or want it.

['Tonio09]

I agree.I don't want to spark a Chloe vs Lois war either.It could have been Alicia in Chloe's place and i would have said the same things.They feel that Lois primarily has one use:Clark's love interest.If she has made such a great progress,good for her.But the viewer has rarely been along for the ride.And as i said,at least with Chloe they let you enjoy her success.Here you never realise when it happens.

Agreed.

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She was supposed to have a big storyline with Lex in Season 7 that revolved around her career as a journalist but we never saw it.

Tsk. That would have been great to see.

[myankskent]

And as i said,at least with Chloe they let you enjoy her success.Here you never realise when it happens.

I actually think that is has more to do with the fact that the show was written better in those days. The character development on Smallville in these later seasons is, at times, ridiculously bad. I think that the added negative for Lois is that she isn't in enough episodes.

[Lilah]

No. I think she got a big break, got promoted and she's obviously the best reporter in the bullpen... I just can't wait for Lois and Clark to move up a few floors.... Season 9 possibly???

[Supsfan]

She was supposed to have a big storyline with Lex in Season 7 that revolved around her career as a journalist but we never saw it.

I am guessing Gemini was supposed to be the "payoff".

Don't get me started how annoyed I am that they don't even mention her Lex Expose. Would it have been that hard for then to mention she actually got it published in Odyssey. That actually would have made everything she did in Season 7 payoff. Hell when Tess was going all PMS on Lex, why not publish it then


No. I think she got a big break, got promoted and she's obviously the best reporter in the bullpen... I just can't wait for Lois and Clark to move up a few floors.... Season 9 possibly???

Way I look at it, Lois' "grunt work" was working for the Inquisitor. It was a lowly valued paper that allowed to to go out and hunt for stories and prove herself that way. Lois spent a full year there before she moved up to a better newspaper.

[costas22]

I have to echo a lot of what other people are saying here. Firstly I don't believe the career Lois has carved out for herself seems to be too fast. What we learned is that Chloe is the polar opposite of her cousin. Lois is a pittbull and Chloe is more subtle. It's almost mind over matter, the way the bullpen treats Lois is because her personality demands it. While both cousins I believe are equal in their reporting skills, (Chloe being out of the game for a while but still) Lois is the one who has been pursuing a career for the past two years and Chloe has not. As a Chloe and Lois fan I hate pitting them against each other, Chloe could have tried to get her job back this throwback to whatifs has proved to her that she doesn't really want to be a reporter. As fans, light switch or not we have to accept it, just as fans of Lois we have to accept that we've been robbed of Lois' progression. And only get to see her accomplishements in one episode through the eyes of Chloe.

Of course it may seem too soon to see Lois Lane get all these accolades but it's typical Lois Lane to be the center of attention, we've never really seen Chloe in that role or want it.

Agree with most of what you say.But as i said above,Lois has never been treated like that in the bullpen before.And no matter how much of a pittbull someone is,when they work at the basement they just can't demand respect from all the others who work at the same level.Probably,Lois' career would demand that she move above the basement,but then they would have to build a new set for the DP and they can't do that on their budget.

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I actually think that is has more to do with the fact that the show was written better in those days. The character development on Smallville in these later seasons is, at times, ridiculously bad. I think that the added negative for Lois is that she isn't in enough episodes.

ITA on everything you say.I am also afraid that we won't see Clark's progress in the DP when it happens.

[Supsfan]

Agree with most of what you say.But as i said above,Lois has never been treated like that in the bullpen before.And no matter how much of a pittbull someone is,when they work at the basement they just can't demand respect from all the others who work at the same level.Probably,Lois' career would demand that she move above the basement,but then they would have to build a new set for the DP and they can't do that on their budget.

I am guessing the budget has alot to do with it. In terms of Lois journalism career I am somewhat forgiving when it comes to budgetary concerns. Lois being sent off on assignment because they don't want to pay her for 22 episodes, or the fact she isn't on another floor yet because that would mean they need to build a new set are issues with her storyarc you just learn to put up with.

[eas]

With Chloe in Season 5 i remember them showing us whenever she got something new in the paper.Whether it was a byline or a front page article(i think that was in Fade).Lois was a journalist in all the cases you mentioned,but that surely doesn't qualify her for all of this worshiping by the bullpen stuff does it?

There was no worshipping in the bull pen. One women complimented her on an article she wrote - I believe City Hall was mentioned & Lois has mentioned covering press conferences there.

The intern with the dry cleaning? We've seen in "Plastique" that ALL the reporters get their dry cleaning at work. Lois grabs someone else's dry cleaning to clothe Clark. And that guy responds, "Personal space, Lane." While Clark is changing his clothes in the phone booth, people who pass her by say "Hi, Lois" in that episode. Meaning: she knows her co-workers and they know her.

It's not a leap to think that one of those co-workers would compliment her on an article during the course of their normal day.

Regarding the "plush" assignments. I'm not seeing how the series can show that she's constantly out of town on the one hand, and - yet - try to say that she's still a junior reporter who will never get out of town assignments on the other hand. It's a dual-edged sword. If they use her "she's out of town" excuse to trim their budget then that will result in her character being defined as a "reporter who goes out of town a lot to cover stories for the DP". The series (and viewers) can't have it both ways that she's never there, while simultaneously not growing as a journalist. All of these "out of town" episodes have to have an end result somewhere... and that end result is that it shouldn't be a leap to be able to see her skipping town in one episode, rather than just hearing about it from another character. Let's pause for a minute. That scene with Chloe & Lois in the beginning? It could have easily been written in a way where Lois wasn't even there. Oliver could have asked where Lois was and she would have said, "She's out of town on an assignment" and no one would have even BLINKED. Because we're so used to it. Yet, suddenly, they SHOW Lois saying good-bye before she goes and it's all of a sudden and lightswitch? When it never was all through S7 and the majority of S8?

And clearly the DP (in this fictional world where people can fly) does not have set rules when it comes to hiring people and their qualifications. A guy off the street, with zero experience, can land a job within the course of one day. A girl still in college can also land a job. A woman with no college degree can also come in and land a job. Resumes are not a big deal in this world. I think it's time we acknowledge that and stop trying to set "real world standards" on the DP.

Other questions:

Why first class? She didn't say she was travelling in first class. She said the person who asked her out was. Also, folks who travel a lot (which show canon tells us that she does) get frequent flyer miles and can upgrade for free. Easily. Or she met the guy at the airport. Not a big deal and not even the purpose of the scene.

Why is she still in the bull pen if she's that awesome? Tess Mercer controls office space real estate and Tess hates her. Yet, respects her enough to keep publishing her articles. She'll let Lois work there and make her work, but she's not going to reward her with an awesome office. I can't see Tess doing that. That is the reason that works within the context of the story. If we look at reality, then we ALL know that "SV" can't afford a new set to give to Lois as an office.

[workshyslacker]

I am guessing the budget has alot to do with it. In terms of Lois journalism career I am somewhat forgiving when it comes to budgetary concerns. Lois being sent off on assignment because they don't want to pay her for 22 episodes, or the fact she isn't on another floor yet because that would mean they need to build a new set are issues with her storyarc you just learn to put up with.

You took the thoughts right out of my head!

I'm frustrated that Lois has had limited screentime so we're supposed to join the events up in our head the next minute she's shown to be advancing in her career. It isn't great in terms of continuity. However, I'm just glad that on this occasion we see a shot of her on location (we're supposed to assume) with American soldiers, rather than it being mentioned that she's on assignment.

I'm just grateful we actually see waht she's doing in this episode than just being mentioned in the background.

[Malicieux Toutou]

We seen chloe struggle for it and not get it. And never be recognized like Lois. All I'm saying is Chloe did the grunt work where Lois never had to.

Because Lois has more natural talent. Now that she is finally focused, her career is taking off. And you are right, Lois wasn't content to stand at the back of the line and wait her turn the way that Chloe was. She pushed her way to the front. She has a type A personality, and this makes her better suited for the job than Chloe. Chloe wasn't aggressive enough.

[workshyslacker]

Why first class? She didn't say she was travelling in first class. She said the person who asked her out was. Also, folks who travel a lot (which show canon tells us that she does) get frequent flyer miles and can upgrade for free. Easily. Or she met the guy at the airport. Not a big deal and not even the purpose of the scene.

Why is she still in the bull pen if she's that awesome? Tess Mercer controls office space real estate and Tess hates her. Yet, respects her enough to keep publishing her articles. She'll let Lois work there and make her work, but she's not going to reward her with an awesome office. I can't see Tess doing that. That is the reason that works within the context of the story. If we look at reality, then we ALL know that "SV" can't afford a new set to give to Lois as an office.

Exactly.

[costas22]

Regarding the "plush" assignments. I'm not seeing how the series can show that she's constantly out of town on the one hand, and - yet - try to say that she's still a junior reporter who will never get out of town assignments on the other hand. It's a dual-edged sword. If they use her "she's out of town" excuse to trim their budget then that will result in her character being defined as a "reporter who goes out of town a lot to cover stories for the DP". The series (and viewers) can't have it both ways that she's never there, while simultaneously not growing as a journalist. Clearly the DP (in this fictional world where people can fly) does not have set rules when it comes to hiring people and their qualifications. A guy off the street, with zero experience, can land a job within the course of one day. A girl still in college can also land a job. A woman with no college degree can also come in and land a job. Resumes are not a big deal in this world. I think it's time we acknowledge that and stop trying to set "real world standards" on the DP.



I agree that real world standards went out of the window a long time ago.But since she and Clark did get to the DP i would have wanted them to handle it better.My other issue,as Matt also said,is that they could have used her 12 episodes to focus more on her career instead of the building relationship with Clark.Of course,the latter sells more than the former.Personally,I didn't say anything about the first class.

[Supsfan]

Because Lois has more natural talent. Now that she is finally focused, her career is taking off. And you are right, Lois wasn't content to stand at the back of the line and wait her turn the way that Chloe was. She pushed her way to the front. She has a type A personality, and this makes her better suited for the job than Chloe. Chloe wasn't aggressive enough.

Chloe's problem to me was she constantly puts other peoples issues before herself(and her job). If she wasn't sidekicking for Clark, she was helping Lana, if she wasn't helping Lana, she's there to push Lois along, so on and so on. That's the way I seen it, especially since Season 6. That's why her taking on the Isis foundation or taking over the watchtower makes perfect sense as well in terms of story telling, both ventures in her life show her giving up herself for the greater good.

[eas]

Yeah, well even in this episode, she was off on assignment and did TPTB care enough to mention the fact that she had an article published at the end of the episode? No, they didn't. I can't understand why that is.

My understanding is that - at some point - we just have to assume that each of these out of town assignments results in a printed article.

Personally, I feel we've gone past the point where Lois needs validation at the end of every single assignment or story. They paid for her to go to Mexico... they chose her to be the DP representative. It makes no sense that they'd go to that trouble of flying her down there and then have the story she submits not be published.

[costas22]

My understanding is that - at some point - we just have to assume that each of these out of town assignments results in a printed article.

Personally, I feel we've gone past the point where Lois needs validation at the end of every single assignment or story. They paid for her to go to Mexico... they chose her to be the DP representative. It makes no sense that they'd go to that trouble of flying her down there and then have the story she submits not be published.

I agree with that.One question though.At a newspaper like the DP,did they have to use someone from the basement to meet Dalai Lama?Except if it was a team of reporters from the DP and she went along.That i could understand.

[eas]

I agree that real world standards went out of the window a long time ago.But since she and Clark did get to the DP i would have wanted them to handle it better.My other issue,as Matt also said,is that they could have used her 12 episodes to focus more on her career instead of the building relationship with Clark.Of course,the latter sells more than the former.Personally,I didn't say anything about the first class.

My response wasn't just to you. I was making a general response to all the stuff that's floating around the boards (and on this thread).

I agree with you that it would have been better to showcase her journalism in the first half of the season rather than Clois. Also, Grois shouldn't have sucked up screentime and it should have been a Lexis show-down, instead.

I guess we just need to come to terms with the fact that Lois is a supporting character. Thus, she gets limited screentime and TPTB pick & choose which aspect of her life to explore. This season, they chose to use her limited screentime to focus in on her role as Clark's "love interest". He is the central character and, I guess, they felt that his story would be better served if they focused on the Clark/Lois relationship rather than pursuing a separate storyline completely for Lois.

On the one hand, that frustrates me, as a Lois Lane fan. But - on the other hand - I see that they already made the decision to cut Chloe away from Clark & have her storyline parallel his arc (with Doomsday and Jimmy) so for them to make Lois involved in another paralleled story would make Clark kind of alone & they'd have to juggle another thread.

This is why it is so important for Durance to have a full contract next year... that way, they can juggle more than one storyline with her.

[marverde508]

it wasn't all of a sudden, the problem is that they never shows us how good lois is at her work( because lois is in only half of the episodes of the season) or any other aspect of her life for that matter.
We need to have her in all the episodes in order to build her character into what it really is and deserves: an excellent reporter, the best of the DP and pullitzer award winner, and of course superman's future wife.
the show can't continue with lois as a second hand character, she's way to important for that.
LOIS IN ALL EPISODES IN SEASON 9 IS A MUST.

['Tonio09]

I agree with that.One question though.At a newspaper like the DP,did they have to use someone from the basement to meet Dalai Lama?Except if it was a team of reporters from the DP and she went along.That i could understand.

Agreed. If they just sent Lois on her own to meet the Dalai Lama then I think that owes her a place out of the basement.

[Dresden]

There was no worshipping in the bull pen. One women complimented her on an article she wrote - I believe City Hall was mentioned & Lois has mentioned covering press conferences there.

The intern with the dry cleaning? We've seen in "Plastique" that ALL the reporters get their dry cleaning at work. Lois grabs someone else's dry cleaning to clothe Clark. And that guy responds, "Personal space, Lane." While Clark is changing his clothes in the phone booth, people who pass her by say "Hi, Lois" in that episode. Meaning: she knows her co-workers and they know her.

It's not a leap to think that one of those co-workers would compliment her on an article during the course of their normal day.

Regarding the "plush" assignments. I'm not seeing how the series can show that she's constantly out of town on the one hand, and - yet - try to say that she's still a junior reporter who will never get out of town assignments on the other hand. It's a dual-edged sword. If they use her "she's out of town" excuse to trim their budget then that will result in her character being defined as a "reporter who goes out of town a lot to cover stories for the DP". The series (and viewers) can't have it both ways that she's never there, while simultaneously not growing as a journalist. All of these "out of town" episodes have to have an end result somewhere... and that end result is that it shouldn't be a leap to be able to see her skipping town in one episode, rather than just hearing about it from another character. Let's pause for a minute. That scene with Chloe & Lois in the beginning? It could have easily been written in a way where Lois wasn't even there. Oliver could have asked where Lois was and she would have said, "She's out of town on an assignment" and no one would have even BLINKED. Because we're so used to it. Yet, suddenly, they SHOW Lois saying good-bye before she goes and it's all of a sudden and lightswitch? When it never was all through S7 and the majority of S8?

And clearly the DP (in this fictional world where people can fly) does not have set rules when it comes to hiring people and their qualifications. A guy off the street, with zero experience, can land a job within the course of one day. A girl still in college can also land a job. A woman with no college degree can also come in and land a job. Resumes are not a big deal in this world. I think it's time we acknowledge that and stop trying to set "real world standards" on the DP.

Other questions:

Why first class? She didn't say she was travelling in first class. She said the person who asked her out was. Also, folks who travel a lot (which show canon tells us that she does) get frequent flyer miles and can upgrade for free. Easily. Or she met the guy at the airport. Not a big deal and not even the purpose of the scene.

Why is she still in the bull pen if she's that awesome? Tess Mercer controls office space real estate and Tess hates her. Yet, respects her enough to keep publishing her articles. She'll let Lois work there and make her work, but she's not going to reward her with an awesome office. I can't see Tess doing that. That is the reason that works within the context of the story. If we look at reality, then we ALL know that "SV" can't afford a new set to give to Lois as an office.

Ownage. :cool:

Thank you Eas for posting such a great post. You basically nailed everything and did it very quickly and easily. Realistically none of these characters (Lois, Clark, Chloe) would have gotten into the planet so quickly yet the only character that gets constantly scrutinized is Lois Lane. I guess it comes with the territory and her being so popular and posing such a big threat to other characters...

[costas22]

This is why it is so important for Durance to have a full contract next year... that way, they can juggle more than one storyline with her. <!-- / message -->

ITA on that.I also agree on Grois.No reason for that.No one knows where the Lexis arc went.It would have been great though.Another sign that they were desperate to move her quickly up the ranks was one of Jimmy's lines to Chloe in Fierce about whether she wanted Lois to move out of the bullpen before her.Again,not sparking a Lois vs Chloe war,just my observation about their mishandling.One of the reasons why season 7 isn't highly regarded.

[myankskent]

I guess we just need to come to terms with the fact that Lois is a supporting character. Thus, she gets limited screentime and TPTB pick & choose which aspect of her life to explore.


IA. I guess that is what this pretty much boils down to. The only thing that I'll say is that whether Lois is in 12 episodes next season or 22, I would like to see more episodes focusing on her going after stories. If TPTB are going to take the time to say how successful Lois is, then all I ask is a little more attention being given to her journalism.

[Supsfan]

I agree with that.One question though.At a newspaper like the DP,did they have to use someone from the basement to meet Dalai Lama?Except if it was a team of reporters from the DP and she went along.That i could understand.

I am guessing we are not supposed to think about that much. She could have flew over there and taken a picture with him while on assignment or he could have came to Metropolis and somehow she got a picture with him while he was in town infront of the press. I think that picture was there to make the viewer think only Lois Lane would be crazy enough to do something like taking a picture with such an icon(no matter which scenerio holds true)

[Minela]

It was a bit fast how all of the sudden Lois was getting coffee and her laundry done. After seeing Chloe always do grunt work and never see Lois have to pay her dues that was a bit bitter. It was good to see Lois on assignment. But it would have nice to see her actually have to work for it. It would have been nice to see what were these amazing stories that Lois all of the sudden got recognition for?

Is it maybe possible, just maybe... that Lois is simply a better reporter than Chloe and that's why it didn't take her so long to get ahead. Also, she is Lois Lane after all, hello!

Plus, when Lois is at work, she actually does work and doesn't use company time to hack illegally for her alien friend. ;)

[myankskent]

Agreed. If they just sent Lois on her own to meet the Dalai Lama then I think that owes her a place out of the basement.

IA. I think that's what costas was getting at earlier. If you're not prepared to move Lois up at the DP or to show more of her journalism, then ease up a bit with her being successful at the DP. There's no reason to rush that along when you have at least another season left, IMO.

[Dresden]

I agree with that.One question though.At a newspaper like the DP,did they have to use someone from the basement to meet Dalai Lama?Except if it was a team of reporters from the DP and she went along.That i could understand.

We have absolutely zero information about that photo so we don't know if Lois went by herself, with a partner, or as part of a team. We do not know. So you can speculate and spin this but the truth is that we don't have the facts to discuss this because all we saw was a photograph.

[costas22]

Ownage. :cool:

Thank you Eas for posting such a great post. You basically nailed everything and did it very quickly and easily. Realistically none of these characters (Lois, Clark, Chloe) would have gotten into the planet so quickly yet the only character that gets constantly scrutinized is Lois Lane. I guess it comes with the territory and her being so popular and posing such a big threat to other characters...

Personally,i have critisized the way that both Lois and Clark made it at the DP.Chloe?Not so much since they devoted an episode about that and showed you how hard it was to convince the editor.What big threat are we talking about exactly?Will Smallville carry on without Clark because Lois is more popular?I do follow the story because it's about Clark but that's not my reasoning behind this thread.

[chlo-el]

Chloe's problem to me was she constantly puts other peoples issues before herself(and her job). If she wasn't sidekicking for Clark, she was helping Lana, if she wasn't helping Lana, she's there to push Lois along, so on and so on. That's the way I seen it, especially since Season 6. That's why her taking on the Isis foundation or taking over the watchtower makes perfect sense as well in terms of story telling, both ventures in her life show her giving up herself for the greater good.

I totally see that. Chloe has been selfless. But I think she still tried to hold on to reporting as long as she could. the problem was she was forced out of it. And felt like she couldn't come back. She had to be selfless and I think they showed she wished she could have stayed. I think that's really true.I am glad how things tunred out. Although it is sad, it shows just how heroic Chloe is. And where Chloe once thrived in exposing others and she really did like to be the center of attention and wanted to be recognized and see her name on the byline she has become the selfless hero that can't put her own career and fame over others. I think she had a problem hiding eveyones secrets, doing the sidekick thing, and going after the big stories. So I'm glad she did come to this choice. Even though it's sad that Chloe had to give it up for the greater good. In this ep it seemed to show that's what she wanted, which they haven't fully shown before.

With Lois I just think they could have done a better job of showing the stories she did and I think both her and Clark should have more expereince before they went to the DP. And the way they brought her sudenly intersted in journalism. The DP wasn't her dream until she already had it. But that's how it hapens for some people. And Lois does seem like a short cut person. She doesn't do grunt work lie Chloe did but it still was a bit bitter seeing Lois get coffee and her laundry done and I remebered when Chloe was doing that for other reporters.

[eas]

I agree with that.One question though.At a newspaper like the DP,did they have to use someone from the basement to meet Dalai Lama?Except if it was a team of reporters from the DP and she went along.That i could understand.

I don't really know how to address this debate. There was a thread last night, too, on this photo.

To be honest, I just feel like this photo could be fan-wanked so many different ways. I can come up with about 10 plausible scenarios that make that photo work (including your example).

- She was part of a team of reporters.
- She met him while dating Ollie at a fundraiser, charmed him and then got an exclusive interview.
- She met him when she was younger & an army brat... she was in Tibet with her dad.
- The person who was originally supposed to interview him got the flu and Lois begged for the assignment.
- She kept harrassing Tess until Tess relented and gave her the assignment.
- She snuck into the press conference & managed to get DL alone, using a fake VIP press badge. He was immediately struck my her moxy and let her hang out with him.
- She called up Ollie and called in a favor when she heard the DL was in town.
- The picture is an old one and it was taken before she worked at the DP.
- When she first started, she was assigned a "mentor" to show her the ropes and her mentor actually wrote the story... she just happened to be there.
- The DP sent a mass e-mail to all the folks at the bull-pen and said, "Here's an assignment, first come first serve... prove you can do it, folks!"

Some, of course, are more plausible than others. But - in general - we have NO CLUE what the story behind the photo is.

The point of showing that photo was not to go, "How did this happen?" It was to look at it through Chloe's eyes and allow us to realize what Chloe was going through. When she worked at the DP, she didn't have photos like that all over her desk. When she worked at the DP, she didn't have all these press badges hanging around. Her normal routine in going to the DP was to fire up her computer and begin working on helping Clark out with his latest crisis.

And this time, her foray into the world of the DP showed her that. When she looked back on what made her happy when she was at the DP, it was the part where she got to help Clark save the world. NOT the whole "I get to meet the Dalai Lama and get VIP passes to places". That wasn't what she did at the DP. That's what LOIS does there.

So, we come full circle to end of the episode -- Chloe realizes that it was never her life, at all. Lois's life is not her life. It never was -- and, that, to Chloe, is a good thing. As well it should be.

[Minela]

Agreed. If they just sent Lois on her own to meet the Dalai Lama then I think that owes her a place out of the basement.

I think they sent a team, but she bud in and asked for a picture. Because she is Lois! Hello?! :p

[Dresden]

Personally,i have critisized the way that both Lois and Clark made it at the DP.Chloe?Not so much since they devoted an episode about that and showed you how hard it was to convince the editor.What big threat are we talking about exactly?Will Smallville carry on without Clark because Lois is more popular?I do follow the story because it's about Clark but that's not my reasoning behind this thread.

So you criticize Lois and Clark but not Chloe? Chloe who got her foot into the Daily Planet by making a deal with Lionel Luthor and betraying Clark? And yet there is no criticism for her? Yeah, okay that makes sense...

----- Added 1 Minutes later -----


I don't really know how to address this debate. There was a thread last night, too, on this photo.

To be honest, I just feel like this photo could be fan-wanked so many different ways. I can come up with about 10 plausible scenarios that make that photo work (including your example).

- She was part of a team of reporters.
- She met him while dating Ollie at a fundraiser, charmed him and then got an exclusive interview.
- She met him when she was younger & an army brat... she was in Tibet with her dad.
- The person who was originally supposed to interview him got the flu and Lois begged for the assignment.
- She kept harrassing Tess until Tess relented and gave her the assignment.
- She snuck into the press conference & managed to get DL alone, using a fake VIP press badge. He was immediately struck my her moxy and let her hang out with him.
- She called up Ollie and called in a favor when she heard the DL was in town.
- The picture is an old one and it was taken before she worked at the DP.
- When she first started, she was assigned a "mentor" to show her the ropes and her mentor actually wrote the story... she just happened to be there.
- The DP sent a mass e-mail to all the folks at the bull-pen and said, "Here's an assignment, first come first serve... prove you can do it, folks!"

Some, of course, are more plausible than others. But - in general - we have NO CLUE what the story behind the photo is.

The point of showing that photo was not to go, "How did this happen?" It was to look at it through Chloe's eyes and allow us to realize what Chloe was going through. When she worked at the DP, she didn't have photos like that all over her desk. When she worked at the DP, she didn't have all these press badges hanging around. Her normal routine in going to the DP was to fire up her computer and begin working on helping Clark out with his latest crisis.

And this time, her foray into the world of the DP showed her that. When she looked back on what made her happy when she was at the DP, it was the part where she got to help Clark save the world. NOT the whole "I get to meet the Dalai Lama and get VIP passes to places". That wasn't what she did at the DP. That's what LOIS does there.

So, we come full circle to end of the episode -- Chloe realizes that it was never her life, at all. Lois's life is not her life. It never was -- and, that, to Chloe, is a good thing. As well it should be.

Can we just sticky all your posts, Eas? We should have a FAQ section with your answers. :lol:

[costas22]

So you criticize Lois and Clark but not Chloe? Chloe who got her foot into the Daily Planet by making a deal with Lionel Luthor and betraying Clark? And yet there is no criticism for her? Yeah, okay that makes sense...

No no no.I was talking about Season 5 when she actually got the job in the basement..She was even called upon by the editor about her deal with Lionel.Of course the manner in which she got the column in Season 3 was disgraceful.You will never see me defending one character in particular.Whenever i see something wrong about a character i say it.Whether it's Clark,Chloe or Lois.

[eas]

IA. I guess that is what this pretty much boils down to. The only thing that I'll say is that whether Lois is in 12 episodes next season or 22, I would like to see more episodes focusing on her going after stories. If TPTB are going to take the time to say how successful Lois is, then all I ask is a little more attention being given to her journalism.

Well, I definitely agree with that.

But since, for now, Lois does disappear for stretches at a time, I'm willing to be more willing to accept her "off screen growht" if this means that it explains that she isn't remaining stagnant in the episodes and scenes she's not there. In fact, I'm happy about it, because she one of the few characters they actually bother to do that with.

[Dresden]

No no no.I was talking about Season 5 when she actually got the job in the basement..She was even called upon by the editor about her deal with Lionel.Of course the manner in which she got the column in Season 3 was disgraceful.

Realistically if a newspaper found out that someone like Chloe Sullivan lied and used deceitful tactics to get a job they would not have hired her later on. That's very unrealistic and yet everyone swallowed it as if it made sense. What experience did Chloe have when she entered the DP? She was the editor of her high school newspaper for crying out loud. Even being a reporter at a tabloid newspaper is better qualifications because it's a real job and not just some high school elective. But none of this matters because Chloe is not Lois and Lois is the one that we constantly try to scrutinize. I'm not just saying you do that but a lot of people constantly try to prove that Lois does not deserve to be at the DP.

[eas]

IA. I think that's what costas was getting at earlier. If you're not prepared to move Lois up at the DP or to show more of her journalism, then ease up a bit with her being successful at the DP. There's no reason to rush that along when you have at least another season left, IMO.

Chances are that we'll see some regression there, too. That's their typical MO when they realize they've got another season. The very fact that Lois is MIA for most of the back half is a way of regressing her onscreen development. If she's not there, then Clark & Lois can't get too close to each other, accidentally. If she's not there, then they don't have to address her journalism and where exactly she is in her career.

But I do think that Stilleto is going to show that while she has a name for herself at the DP, she's still trying to work her way up and she's not the "famous Lois Lane" yet. She's not well known across Metropolis and - let's face it - that is her end game. She's not even close to the end of her journey yet.

[Supsfan]

No no no.I was talking about Season 5 when she actually got the job in the basement..She was even called upon by the editor about her deal with Lionel.Of course the manner in which she got the column in Season 3 was disgraceful.You will never see me defending one character in particular.Whenever i see something wrong about a character i say it.Whether it's Clark,Chloe or Lois.

As I pointed out above, I think alot of her work at the Inquisitor can be labelled "grunt work" since it was considered a very low level paper that gave her a chance to prove herself.

[yaseen101]

Also you have to understand that originally this was thought to be the last season it was until much later that a ninth season was confirmed. So they had to get lots of plots moving R&BB, Clois, Chloe/Brainiac, Doomsday, Legion, Tess, etc. A Lois as a journalist arc would have been difficult to incorporate in the midst of all this in what was once thought to be the final season. I believe now they are just smoothining things out since a new season has been confirmed.

[costas22]

Realistically if a newspaper found out that someone like Chloe Sullivan lied and used deceitful tactics to get a job they would not have hired her later on. That's very unrealistic and yet everyone swallowed it as if it made sense. What experience did Chloe have when she entered the DP? She was the editor of her high school newspaper for crying out loud. Even being a reporter at a tabloid newspaper is better qualifications because it's a real job and not just some high school elective. But none of this matters because Chloe is not Lois and Lois is the one that we constantly try to scrutinize. I'm not just saying you do that but a lot of people constantly try to prove that Lois does not deserve to be at the DP.

I understand your point.You know what's the problem with that?Al/Miles gave them a reason to do that.Chloe's appointment at the DP was shady but so was Lois' due to the whole Grant Gabriel situation.Of course at Blue they did have Grant say that he hired her because he read the article from Combat,but by then many viewers had already made their minds about how Lois got into the DP.I have never critisized her about that.I have critisized Al/Miles for not getting this tiny little thing right.Lois should have got into the DP as part of her determination to get revenge on Lex.Anyway,what happened happened.Chloe did get a lot of stick last week didn't see?Don't worry.Some way or fashion,the producers have us bashing every character from time to time.

[Minela]

As I pointed out above, I think alot of her work at the Inquisitor can be labelled "grunt work" since it was considered a very low level paper that gave her a chance to prove herself.

I agree. :D

[Dresden]

I understand your point.You know what's the problem with that?Al/Miles gave them a reason to do that.Chloe's appointment at the DP was shady but so was Lois' due to the whole Grant Gabriel situation. I completely disagree with this. Chloe getting hired was shady, not Lois. Yes, some fans can spin that negatively but that's doesn't mean that's the truth. Grant Gabriel hired Lois Lane because he had read her article. That's it. That's what we were told and we didn't get anything contrary to that. Of course, some fans will always find a way to put a negative spin on the things that Lois does.


Of course at Blue they did have Grant say that he hired her because he read the article from Combat,but by then many viewers had already made their minds about how Lois got into the DP. As I mentioned above, fans will spin it however they want, but I'm not going to go against what the show said. There was no need to mention the Lois article that Grant read and yet they did. It cemented the fact that Lois was at the DP based on her writing and nothing else. Of course the situation CAN look bad for Lois but looks aren't always the truth, and if some fans insist on saying that Lois only got into the DP because of Grant's physical attraction for her then they can do just that. But can this be proven? No. It's all speculation. As for Chloe, her unethical actions CAN be proven based on the episodes and the scripts.


I have never critisized her about that.I have critisized Al/Miles for not getting this tiny little thing right. Lois shoild have got into the DP as part of her determination to get revenge on Lex. And I appreciate that. I agree that there were other ways that Lois could have gotten into the DP, much better ways for sure. But all that is water under the bridge for me because Lois got into the DP without lying or committing deceitful actions. She got in based on her writing. If the script didn't literally say that I would engage in speculation about Grant/Lois, but since the script literally spelled it out for us speculating is just a waste of time.


Anyway,what happened happened.Chloe did get a lot of stick last week didn't see?Don't worry.Some way or fashion,the producers have us bashing every character from time to time.And I don't mean to say that Lois is the only character that gets criticized but when it comes to the specific topic of the Daily Planet, it's constantly being thrown out there that Lois doesn't deserve it. When the person who doesn't deserve it the most is Chloe based on ethics and then Clark based on lack of experience. Yet some people ignore this (especially about Clark since he's the lead, I guess) and continually put Lois under a microscope.

But I'm not saying *you* are doing that. I know I'm responding to you but my comments are really general comments and meant for others who do that. I actually agree with most of your original post. I would have liked to see MORE development but the fact is that LL is in 12 eps and her time is limited and a lot of this happens offscreen. Is that an excuse? No, but does that mean that she doesn't deserve to move up in the DP. No.

Again, I think your posts are fair. I do read them frequently on this forum, and you have some good points on this issue.

[Malicieux Toutou]

The point of showing that photo was not to go, "How did this happen?" It was to look at it through Chloe's eyes and allow us to realize what Chloe was going through. When she worked at the DP, she didn't have photos like that all over her desk. When she worked at the DP, she didn't have all these press badges hanging around. Her normal routine in going to the DP was to fire up her computer and begin working on helping Clark out with his latest crisis.

And this time, her foray into the world of the DP showed her that. When she looked back on what made her happy when she was at the DP, it was the part where she got to help Clark save the world. NOT the whole "I get to meet the Dalai Lama and get VIP passes to places". That wasn't what she did at the DP. That's what LOIS does there.

So, we come full circle to end of the episode -- Chloe realizes that it was never her life, at all. Lois's life is not her life. It never was -- and, that, to Chloe, is a good thing. As well it should be.

Well said

[BackToTheLies]

Indeed, Chloe's progression at the DP was slow for reasons of her own making.

Other than that you've got to consider

would Lois really be paying her dues and doing grunt work under an organisation headed by Tess Mercer i.e. Lex Luthor, when Lois and Clark would have to be deliberately kept close by means of keeping an eye on them?

Clark is an obsession for Lex, and subsequently Tess, and Lois obviously comes as part of that package if it means they get a better insight into Clark's comings and goings.

Tess has been throwing around special assignments and private jet flights for them two in more than one episode now.

[ginevrakent]

Even though I believe that Lois's journalism career could have been handled better, I don't think professional progress has been unrealistic based on Smalliville canon and parallels with other Lois Lanes.

In this clip, we see that both Lois and Perry White are inspired to return to journalism when Clark's powers are out of control:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox6ewszKVv4

In this clip, we see that Lois's UFO story that helped get her hired at the DP (in addition to her Combat article) is not out of character for Lois Lane since the same has happened to THLois:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJy9-m2Cz9E

In this clip, we see that EDLois and AHLois (Anne Heche in Superman: Doomsday) have the same professional interest in Lex Luthor as well as the same angle on his story. We also see that Loises often have combative relationships with their editors who would rather print sexy stories about celebrities and superheroes than exposes on white collar crime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7v7wHbghL9s

So, despite the fact that I wish to see more Lois Lane as reporter on Smallville, I think some effort has been made to line up this Lois with her iconic counterparts as well as Perry White.

[costas22]

But I'm not saying *you* are doing that. I know I'm responding to you but my comments are really general comments and meant for others who do that. I actually agree with most of your original post. I would have liked to see MORE development but the fact is that LL is in 12 eps and her time is limited and a lot of this happens offscreen. Is that an excuse? No, but does that mean that she doesn't deserve to move up in the DP. No.

Again, I think your posts are fair. I do read them frequently on this forum, and you have some good points on this issue. <!-- / message -->

I didn't know i had a following.Thanx,lol.Of course she deserves to move up.It was a shock to me more than anything.I was saying to myself:"Did i miss something?When did Lois do this or that".It was never about why Chloe wasn't treated like that.Actually,it was unfair to Lois because they haven't given her the recognisition that they gave Chloe early in her DP career.Until yesterday that is.As Matt said,they were much better at character development back then.At least they gave her something to do offscreen.Right now i am wondering what Jimmy was up to offscreen.