Dollhouse #1.7 "Echoes"

[Hopefulsuicide]

New episode tonight! Looks like a good one too!

Head here for the trailer : http://www.kryptonsite.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90088&page=4

I'll post a poll when it's aired :)

[Vergon6]

I'm looking forward to it :). I hope it's as good as the last one. Although that is hard to top.

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They are acting like nuts. Gotta be something with that drug, a side effect or something.

[Hopefulsuicide]

I'm here... I haven't watched the episode, but i had to pop my head in and say hi to all the posters... *looks around* hmmm, where are all the Dollhouse fans!

[Vergon6]

Topher gave Victor an imprint that outranks Dominic lol

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I'm here... I haven't watched the episode, but i had to pop my head in and say hi to all the posters... *looks around* hmmm, where are all the Dollhouse fans!
I guess I am the only one here :/.

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Oh dear it's like "The Naked Time" from Star Trek or "The Naked Now" from Star Trek TNG.

[Hopefulsuicide]

I'm gonna run away and leave you now for fear of too much spoilery goodness :p

I'll be posting about it all tomorrow though :)

[Vergon6]

It is quite pathetic that I was only one in here :(.

Another good episode. The next one looks very intriguing. "Echo?" ..."Not anymore"

[AngelaV]

Topher gave Victor an imprint that outranks Dominic lol

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I guess I am the only one here :/.

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Oh dear it's like "The Naked Time" from Star Trek or "The Naked Now" from Star Trek TNG.

Yes but so much fraking better! Terrible with names. But I laughed so hard when British lady went over the railing in her skirt. And then she had to do it again! Does Joss not like her? :) Um what's with Topher being in his undies? Ewe. Loved that Victor outranked Dominic! Mellie starting the code to turn her into Ninja Woman was great. Loved the look on british lady's face.
Lots of good stuff going on. Going to have to watch it again.

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It is quite pathetic that I was only one in here :(.

Another good episode. The next one looks very intriguing. "Echo?" ..."Not anymore"

That's because some of us can't watch and do internet at the same time. Got to watch Dollhouse in HD so can't be on the computer at the same time.

[Vergon6]

I guess it was easier for me to watch because I have a studio apartment. There is no separate bedroom in a studio, and I have a laptop, so it was easy to watch my TV at the same time.

[darkphoenix21]

So Echo is actually Caroline. It was a nice set up for next week's episode "Awakening". The chase will begin next week, can't wait. The only thing is...what was the point of having Mellie get close to Ballard only to have her leave?

[dru-zod2501]

pretty damn cool tonight. I didn't think these guys had comedy in them.

Boss Lady's investment in Echo seems beyond professional; what's her infatuation?

so they brought the cute villain guy into the dollhouse, I hope we see more of him soon, very soon, mmm yeah

[weemanwise]

Wow Dollhouse keeps getting better and better each week!

[Vergon6]

So Echo is actually Caroline. It was a nice set up for next week's episode "Awakening". The chase will begin next week, can't wait. The only thing is...what was the point of having Mellie get close to Ballard only to have her leave?
I was always under the impression that Caroline was her original identity. Did you think it was another one of her imprints or something?

I think they probably had Mellie leave because he wouldn't let go of the Dollhouse fixation, even after what happened to her seemingly. So maybe they had her leave to try to get him to give up on the Dollhouse. Of course, they didn't anticipate that someone messed with Echo's imprint to tell Ballard not to give up and all that.

[Hopefulsuicide]

Okay, so many things to say about this episode :)

It was wonderfully refreshing to see the funnier sides of every character. Topher and DeWitt's scenes were incredible. Oddly enough, characters being 'high' is something the team pulls off really well (see Angel 'Life of the party' ... god i just love that scene where wesley and fred are standing in front of the elevator for a good minute before realising they have to press the call button :p). And it again brings home that NONE of the staff are 'evil'... they are all just a bit morally grey...

So it seems Caroline was being hunted for recruitment for the same reason Sam is... she knew too much... she was a danger, and becoming a doll is like killing two birds with one stone. Though with Caroline it seems a lot more complicated. 2 years? That's how long it took for her to give in to DeWitt's deal? I wonder what she was doing in those two years? I wonder if perhaps she had something done to her mind so that when she did become a doll, her mind would start to slowly remember... who knows, eh?

I'm completely confused about Victor and Sierra... the flashbacks they had... was that Victor on top of Sierra? It didn't look like Hearn... And was the whole 'soldier' flashback from Victor's actual past, or from an engagement or what? I really wanna know more :)

Mellie... did they pull her out? Seems logical... she was probably a bit of an uneccesary risk after everything that had happened. Who is the friend she said might stay once in a while? Will that be Sierra imprinted as a friend of Millie? Or is it just a small detail in the dialog that won't be followed up on?

Rossom foundation... What is it? Who runs it? What's it's purpose? What did DeWitt mean when she said that they were the reason the Dollhouse exists? Is that true of all the Dollhouses?

Ah can't wait till next week.

Again, only gave a 9, because i'm saving my 10 for the moment an episode has me a) squealing b) not moving c) incapable of doing anything but watching it over and over for at least a day :lol:

[devilneedsaride]

It seems like DeWitt has some rather specific guilt about Caroline, which may explain her slightly beyond professional fixation. Her whole "You make decisions. You live with them. You die with them." speech (I love it. I just love it!) while she was tripping just smacked of deep guilt or shame for her own decisions.

I think it's interesting that Caroline got into that situation by being extremely moral instead of by doing something immoral as was implied in the pilot. It all goes into making her a more likable and real character, and it made it seem all the more horrible to me that her personality is gone now.

I'm interested in this five year contract deal, too. I mean, is it all just a lie to get them to sign? Why do they NEED them to sign, since there's obviously no government oversight? Is it part of the Dollhouse's self-delusion that they're helping people? If it's not a lie, do they save the original personality, imprint them with their original brain, and send them packing? They couldn't send them out with any memories of the Dollhouse for security purposes, so this is all leaving me with a lot of questions. Wonderful, delicious questions that I'm looking forward to having answered.

I thought the high bits were hilarious, especially the look on DeWitt's face when Mellie (or whatever her active name is) was talking about "when you're on top of me". I had to go back and replay that a couple of times. Priceless! :rotfl:

[ClarkyBoy14]

I gave it a 7. The episode was decent. I thought Caroline seemed to be a pretty annoying person back then, and Nellie got on my nerves a bit too. However, I like that it had some humor in it, and the twist at the end where the one guy is going to become a doll is interesting. I think that next week's episode looks very good though.

[Shadowlord367]

Topher is genius. And not a technology genius, because he is always screwing things up, but he is really the show's insight into humanity, and each episode he delivers a new concept that helps us understand the human race better.

I really do like Adelle, I think shes a good character and very... "British."

Sierra had a light episode, but Victor really, really nailed his part. I hope we eventually get backstory on Sierra and Victor.

Did anyone catch that there was a doll named "Foxtrot?" Must have been the doll that came right after "Echo," based on the radio alphabet thing.

I don't want them to give us Echo's past too quickly, I wish they would let us piece it together more gradually. Oh well, every episode is getting better and better!

Though Ballard and Millie annoy me.

[Xanderman]

That was....awful. Simply awful. Worst episode of the series, easily. Terrible dialogue/writing, and lots and lots of bad acting. TV hasn't been this painful to watch since Veronica Mars. This type of unbelievably annoying dialogue/writing has no place in human civilization, anywhere. There is nothing worse, I repeat, nothing, than trying to make virtually every last word of dialogue uttered as witty/cheeky/cute/clever as possible. Nothing. It is pure torture.

The Echo/Caroline/DeWitt backstory was completely uninteresting. I can't believe how bland it was. And the attempt at comedy both from the script writers and from a lot of the actors themselves was downright laughable.

Final verdict: I wish somebody could mind-wipe this episode from me--anybody but Topher of course, because well he's clearly part of the problem.

1/10. no, No, NO! is right.

[darkphoenix21]

I was always under the impression that Caroline was her original identity. Did you think it was another one of her imprints or something?

I meant that..."Oh, Echo's real name/personality is Caroline". I did think at first, at the begining of the episode that it was another personality; than it was revealed that Caroline was recruited into Dollhouse and given the name Echo.

[Shadowlord367]

Xander I have to disagree about Veronica Mars. What exactly about it don't you like? Not to stray off topic...

[Vergon6]

I meant that..."Oh, Echo's real name/personality is Caroline". I did think at first, at the begining of the episode that it was another personality; than it was revealed that Caroline was recruited into Dollhouse and given the name Echo.
Ah okay. So we were thinking the same thing then. Well she did have another imprint at the beginning of the episode, but then Caroline's memories began to emerge when she saw the Rossum Building on TV.

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That was....awful. Simply awful. Worst episode of the series, easily. Terrible dialogue/writing, and lots and lots of bad acting. TV hasn't been this painful to watch since Veronica Mars. This type of unbelievably annoying dialogue/writing has no place in human civilization, anywhere. There is nothing worse, I repeat, nothing, than trying to make virtually every last word of dialogue uttered as witty/cheeky/cute/clever as possible. Nothing. It is pure torture.

The Echo/Caroline/DeWitt backstory was completely uninteresting. I can't believe how bland it was. And the attempt at comedy both from the script writers and from a lot of the actors themselves was downright laughable.

Final verdict: I wish somebody could mind-wipe this episode from me--anybody but Topher of course, because well he's clearly part of the problem.

1/10. no, No, NO! is right.
Wow...1/10?

[Pamela]

I was always under the impression that Caroline was her original identity. Did you think it was another one of her imprints or something?

I think they probably had Mellie leave because he wouldn't let go of the Dollhouse fixation, even after what happened to her seemingly. So maybe they had her leave to try to get him to give up on the Dollhouse. Of course, they didn't anticipate that someone messed with Echo's imprint to tell Ballard not to give up and all that.

It's possible the dollhouse people programed her to leave because of Ballard's tenacity. But it's possible she left on her own accord, under the "Mellie" imprint. In the previous episode, she said she didn't want him thinking of Caroline when he was with her and that she wouldn't be a needy person. When she thought he was only taking care of her because of the case, she kicked him out. As Mellie, she doesn't want to be second to Caroline.

[Vergon6]

It's possible the dollhouse people programed her to leave because of Ballard's tenacity. But it's possible she left on her own accord, under the "Mellie" imprint. In the previous episode, she said she didn't want him thinking of Caroline when he was with her and that she wouldn't be a needy person. When she thought he was only taking care of her because of the case, she kicked him out. As Mellie, she doesn't want to be second to Caroline.
Yeah that is certainly a possibility.

[Hopefulsuicide]

That was....awful. Simply awful. Worst episode of the series, easily. Terrible dialogue/writing, and lots and lots of bad acting. TV hasn't been this painful to watch since Veronica Mars. This type of unbelievably annoying dialogue/writing has no place in human civilization, anywhere. There is nothing worse, I repeat, nothing, than trying to make virtually every last word of dialogue uttered as witty/cheeky/cute/clever as possible. Nothing. It is pure torture.

The Echo/Caroline/DeWitt backstory was completely uninteresting. I can't believe how bland it was. And the attempt at comedy both from the script writers and from a lot of the actors themselves was downright laughable.

Final verdict: I wish somebody could mind-wipe this episode from me--anybody but Topher of course, because well he's clearly part of the problem.

1/10. no, No, NO! is right.

It wasn't perfect. It didn't flow with the same ease that Joss's other shows tend too. The comedy was a little OTT and I'm not that excited by Caroline's back story. There are moments when i feel the acting is a little off.

I'm saying all this so that you will see that I am not blind to the faults of the show. It hasn't found it's footing yet at all... it's almost like an artist who's arm is shaking because of nerves. Once they calm down, the pressure is off etc, it will become art... right now it's a bit wobbly.

However, i think your description is merely a matter of taste. You don't like Veronica Mars, I do. You don't like Topher, I do. It's a type of humor that some people like and some don't. It's a style of dialog that you obviously don't like. But that doesn't make it bad television. It just makes it not your cup of tea.

There is a lot of talent in Dollhouse in terms of the way the story is unfolding, and where it will go. I'm thinking next weeks episode will be much more serious, much less of the witty/cheeky/clever dialog you so hate, and much more interesting.

So please, don't give up yet :)


It's possible the dollhouse people programed her to leave because of Ballard's tenacity. But it's possible she left on her own accord, under the "Mellie" imprint. In the previous episode, she said she didn't want him thinking of Caroline when he was with her and that she wouldn't be a needy person. When she thought he was only taking care of her because of the case, she kicked him out. As Mellie, she doesn't want to be second to Caroline.

I completely agree. It may not have been something the Dollhouse planned. It seemed very in character for her to leave.

[CallMeClark]

I dunno. I am really into the show now. I actually quite liked the episode. I am just interested in the gaps in Echo's back story. Like did she do the Dollhouse because she had just lost her boyfriend? There has to be more to her story than that...

I am finding DeWitt to be one of the most interesting of all the characters.

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So Echo is actually Caroline. It was a nice set up for next week's episode "Awakening". The chase will begin next week, can't wait. The only thing is...what was the point of having Mellie get close to Ballard only to have her leave?
Because DeWitt wants him to stop searching. She was thinking that maybe if he wouldn't do it for his boss he'd do it for someone he cared about. She was playing one of her "knights." The move didn't work, however.

[Xanderman]

Xander I have to disagree about Veronica Mars. What exactly about it don't you like? Not to stray off topic...It was the stuff I said after I mentioned VM--about the dialogue/writing style:
There is nothing worse, I repeat, nothing, than trying to make virtually every last word of dialogue uttered as witty/cheeky/cute/clever as possible. Nothing. It is pure torture.

Annoys me to no end. A lot like SV's Chloe often does.



Wow...1/10?Believe me, I'm as shocked as you are. Lol. But seriously, I felt that the story was bad, that the writing/dialogue (including the comedy) was painfully bad, and that the acting was mixed (some REALLY bad performances here!). But I can't totally fault the actors I guess, given the horrible script they had to work with. Anyway, for me, it bombed in almost every way. It's the type of production that never should have seen the light of day. If this was the show's pilot, it probably would have been canceled the following day.



It wasn't perfect. It didn't flow with the same ease that Joss's other shows tend too. The comedy was a little OTT and I'm not that excited by Caroline's back story. There are moments when i feel the acting is a little off.

I'm saying all this so that you will see that I am not blind to the faults of the show. It hasn't found it's footing yet at all... it's almost like an artist who's arm is shaking because of nerves. Once they calm down, the pressure is off etc, it will become art... right now it's a bit wobbly.

However, i think your description is merely a matter of taste. You don't like Veronica Mars, I do. You don't like Topher, I do. It's a type of humor that some people like and some don't. It's a style of dialog that you obviously don't like. But that doesn't make it bad television. It just makes it not your cup of tea.

There is a lot of talent in Dollhouse in terms of the way the story is unfolding, and where it will go. I'm thinking next weeks episode will be much more serious, much less of the witty/cheeky/clever dialog you so hate, and much more interesting.

So please, don't give up yet :)As long as they never let this ep's writers write for the show again, I'll be good.:) Heh. So far, the keepers for me are Tim Minear (True Believer), Steven S. DeKnight (The Target), and Joss Whedon (Man on the Street).

No more episodes from these people please: Maurissa Tancharoen & Jed Whedon (Stage Fright), and Sarah Fain & Elizabeth Craft (Echoes). The latter pair also did Gray Hour which was ok, but they veered into total Veronica Mars annoyance overdrive on Echoes. I still remember a line from Gray Hour that made me cringe--when they had one of the thieves say he was "peachy". Ugh. That's exactly the type of writing/dialogue I can't stand--and Echoes was LOADED WITH IT I tell ya, LOADED. I think I vomited at least 5 times during the episode because of it. lol I said it then and I'll say it again now: GO HOME, BUFFY WRITERS. lol I don't know, maybe it's a style of dialogue/writing that appeals to females more. But when a male thug/thief says he's feeling "peachy" after getting stabbed, I totally and completely want to punch a hole in my tv set, or the nearest wall.

[Hopefulsuicide]

I gotta ask probably a stupid question... but did you watch all of Buffy and Angel... or did you hate them too? Firefly? Cause that had the witty funny dialog too... Cause i gotta tell you, if you hated all three of those shows because of the dialog... then what did you expect from Dollhouse :lol:

I mean seriously, if you know a show is created by the man who created Buffy, you know it's going to be the same style. I don't know if you knew he'd stick with the same team, but all of the writers/directors are like part of a unit :lol:

That said, I agree those three have been the best three episodes so far :)

p.s. Tim Minear directed this episode... Does that change your opinion of him :lol:

[Xanderman]

I gotta ask probably a stupid question... but did you watch all of Buffy and Angel... or did you hate them too? Firefly? Cause that had the witty funny dialog too... Cause i gotta tell you, if you hated all three of those shows because of the dialog... then what did you expect from Dollhouse :lol:Lol point taken. I watched and enjoyed all three. The dialogue/writing was never really an issue with any for me, it was part of the fun. I think it might have something to do with the settings. Buffy/Angel/Firefly were set in more outlandish universes. People speaking unusually in unusual universes makes a strange kind of sense and fits. Dollhouse, while sci-fi, is based in a more real, present-day setting--no demons/vampires, no cowboys on space ships, etc. So overly wacky/cutesy dialogue tends to stand out as more unnatural on it, much as it did on Veronica Mars. To the point of me saying "Oh shut up" at the screen almost every 15 seconds. lol The solution, is to tone it down, to be more choosy about when to get cute, and when to play it more straight (or real). And to not make basically every last character a witty genius like they did on VM. In other words, the writers simply need to GET OVER THEMSELVES. lol


p.s. Tim Minear directed this episode... Does that change your opinion of him :lol:Lol, unfortunately, yes it does. Booo. The question is, is the script more important or is the directing. The answer is of course that both are important, but there's only so much a director can do with a bad script I suppose. Same thing with some of the acting in this--it's hard to pull off "funny" when the material isn't. Caroline and her group of college friends, for one thing, got on my nerves big time. Was it the actors to blame? The things they had to say and do in the script? Or how they were directed to say/do them by the director. I'm not sure, but one thing is certain: Boooo. heh

[Hopefulsuicide]

Lol point taken. I watched and enjoyed all three. The dialogue/writing was never really an issue with any for me, it was part of the fun. I think it might have something to do with the settings. Buffy/Angel/Firefly were set in more outlandish universes. People speaking unusually in unusual universes makes a strange kind of sense and fits. Dollhouse, while sci-fi, is based in a more real, present-day setting--no demons/vampires, no cowboys on space ships, etc. So overly wacky/cutesy dialogue tends to stand out as more unnatural on it, much as it did on Veronica Mars. To the point of me saying "Oh shut up" at the screen almost every 15 seconds. lol The solution, is to tone it down, to be more choosy about when to get cute, and when to play it more straight (or real). And to not make basically every last character a witty genius like they did on VM. In other words, the writers simply need to GET OVER THEMSELVES. lol

:lol: I know what you mean... i think the reason it didn't bug me so much this episode is because they were all on drugs, and so i knew it was a one off. But your right, humor and dialog like that can feel out of place in such a real world setting...

your passion reminds me of how i feel about Bones. every single time she 'kicks the bad guys ass' i want to scream at the TV... it just feels so utterly out of place and ridiculous.



Lol, unfortunately, yes it does. Booo. The question is, is the script more important or is the directing. The answer is of course that both are important, but there's only so much a director can do with a bad script I suppose. Same thing with some of the acting in this--it's hard to pull off "funny" when the material isn't. Caroline and her group of college friends, for one thing, got on my nerves big time. Was it the actors to blame? The things they had to say and do in the script? Or how they were directed to say/do them by the director. I'm not sure, but one thing is certain: Boooo. heh

:lol: yeah Caroline has not grown on me at all... I mean if that's who she was, then i'm glad she got wiped, cause she's much more interesting with no personality than with the one she had :p

[devilneedsaride]

:lol: yeah Caroline has not grown on me at all... I mean if that's who she was, then i'm glad she got wiped, cause she's much more interesting with no personality than with the one she had :p

Really? I thought she seemed way likable this episode. Was it the animal rights thing? Cause I can see how that could bother some people.

[CallMeClark]

Really? I thought she seemed way likable this episode. Was it the animal rights thing? Cause I can see how that could bother some people.
That's why I like her more! :lol: I'm a crazy liberal too. ;)

[Hopefulsuicide]

Really? I thought she seemed way likable this episode. Was it the animal rights thing? Cause I can see how that could bother some people.

Not at all... In fact i'd probably be worse than her if i found out that they were doing that to animals in a building at my uni... I'd be the idiot who let em all free and got beaten to death by monkeys :lol:

Why would a women being for animal rights bother anybody?

No, she was just dull. No interesting lines, I couldn't feel the passion that needed to be conveyed... I think maybe Eliza just didn't play her very well. Eliza is much better at playing Echo, than she has been at playing anyone else on the show.

[devilneedsaride]

Not at all... In fact i'd probably be worse than her if i found out that they were doing that to animals in a building at my uni... I'd be the idiot who let em all free and got beaten to death by monkeys :lol:

Why would a women being for animal rights bother anybody?

No, she was just dull. No interesting lines, I couldn't feel the passion that needed to be conveyed... I think maybe Eliza just didn't play her very well. Eliza is much better at playing Echo, than she has been at playing anyone else on the show.

Ahh, okay. I hope that doesn't keep up. It looks like we're going to be dealing mostly with Caroline at some point and when the main character isn't likable the whole thing starts circling the drain.

I just know from personal experience that a lot of people are twitchy about that issue, and I was curious about whether it would impact people's view of Caroline at all. I live on a pretty liberal college campus and I still get made fun of or meat etc thrown at me when I tell people I'm vegan.

[Pamela]

Ahh, okay. I hope that doesn't keep up. It looks like we're going to be dealing mostly with Caroline at some point and when the main character isn't likable the whole thing starts circling the drain.

I just know from personal experience that a lot of people are twitchy about that issue, and I was curious about whether it would impact people's view of Caroline at all. I live on a pretty liberal college campus and I still get made fun of or meat etc thrown at me when I tell people I'm vegan.

We've only seen snippets of "Caroline." All we know at this point is she was a college student who thought she could take down a big company with a camcorder. Hopefully, we will see other sides to her other than the idealistic, take-on-the-world college girl. (Not that there's anything wrong with her wanting to change things; she was just a little naive in her planning.)

I'm not a vegan (sorry) but I would never disrespect someone like the way you described happens to you, devilneedsaride.

[Hopefulsuicide]

Ahh, okay. I hope that doesn't keep up. It looks like we're going to be dealing mostly with Caroline at some point and when the main character isn't likable the whole thing starts circling the drain.

I just know from personal experience that a lot of people are twitchy about that issue, and I was curious about whether it would impact people's view of Caroline at all. I live on a pretty liberal college campus and I still get made fun of or meat etc thrown at me when I tell people I'm vegan.

God that's horrible! I can't even imagine that happening! My mum's boyfriends is vegetarian, and my best friend is vegan and i... well i have tried it on and off, but am stupidly inconsistent...

But no one has ever said anything horrible to them. Next time you see the people who threw meat at you, throw rotten vegetables at them :lol:

And yeah, it would suk if i couldnt connect to her, but i trust Joss... i'm sure he will give me a reason to like her :)

[lorenzovanmatterhorn]

ECHOES

The good;
So we find out how Echo came to the Dollhouse. Hilarious to watch Dominic bossed around by Victor and the other dolls and lovely scenes between Adele and Topher.

The bad;
Why do they use the NSA as cover? Surely they're involved in intercepting communications, not stuff like this?

Best line;
Toper (of Dominic) "He didn't take any, no way would Dominic have any fun"
plus
Again "Nothing is what it appears to be"

Packing heat; Dominic with his Glock (personally I always found them a bit light for my taste?) Sierra and Victor also get one whilst we also see Victor with an M16 in his flashback.
Echo;4
Boyd; 6
Dominic; 6
Sierra; 3
Victor; 2

Kinky dinky;
Echo's knee socks, high heels and micro-mini dress are spectacular, especially when she's on the bike (but is that ED?). Check out her stumble when she chases Sam from the lab. She engages in bondage sex with her returning client.

Notches on the Dollhouse bedpost; none unless Echo goes back to finish her engagement. Why are Topher's trousers off? What did he and Adele get up to? He says she's his 'Superior in every way"?
Echo; 3
November; 1
Ballard; 1

How'd they get away with that?
The poor kid headbutting the glass, yeeesh! Tophers ode to drugs is also pretty near the knuckle.

This weeks fantasy;
Echo returns to her biker-party-girl persona which we see in Ghost, Victor is a federal agent and Sierra a goverment scientist

Total number personalitites;
Echo; 14
Sierra; 5
Victor; 2
November; 1

Total dolls;4, but we hear of another Doll, Foxtrot? Sam becomes an active at the end but do we ever see him again?
Echo, Sierra, November and Victor

Addy is a bit British;
"Sarcastic? Unfeeling? British?" She uses the British term crisp. Brown sauce is actually a mix of fruit and spices. Topher also refers to his machines that go 'Ping!' which is a reference to Monty Python's The Meaning of Life.

Topher is a bit geeky;
Topher is so excited to meet the Rostrum head guy he might throw up. He quotes Mighty Mouse 'Here I come to save the day'.

Subverting the Hollywood cliche;

Bondage; no but Echo ties up her client
Sierra tied up; 1

Knocked out;

Kills;
Sierra; 2 kills
Echo; 1
November;1

Dolls injured;

Capt subtext;
Adele's interview of Caroline is reminiscent of seduction. Paul wants to take care of Mellie, just like he wants to save Caroline, always the white knight. Topher and Adele begin to share. Adele says she has a good story about Victor. Dominic hints that there's more to him than just a professional heavy, namely his suits, is he hinting that he's gay?

Happy hookers

Know the face?
5 Whedon alumni-Mark Shepherd, Amy Acker, walking action figure, Eliza Dushku, Jim Piddock

Guantanamo;
The press are fed a cover story of a student prank gone wrong

Fanfic;
One theory explored in fanfic is that Caroline is actually Adele's daughter?

Missing scenes;

Reminds me off;
Very reminiscent of the classic 3rd season Buffy ep Band Candy, Adele in particular similar to the wonderful Joyce.

Breaking the programming;
In this ep all the Dolls glitch but Echo starts before she even get's the drug. She actually says 'No' to her treatment.

Questions and observations;
Adele refers to her and Caroline playing this game for 2 years? First return client, the same guy from Ghost. Caroline is an anti-war protester and animal rights activist. My personal theory was that Leo, her boyfriend who was shot was actually Alpha. Boyd plays the piano pretty well. We learn Caroline's full name, Caroline Farrell and Dominic's, Lawerance Dominic.
We find hints of the Dolls previous lives, Victor was a soldier, November is mourning someone

Marks out of 10; 7/10 again, enjoyed this more than I thought
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