At this point, does Clark love Lois?

[zorasuperman]

do you think that at this point in the story, that clark kent loves ms lois lane?
Yes, he loves
He loves a little (getting there)...
No he doesn't

[wingster55]

Love? No
He's just realizing the feelings.

[gilliang]

I think he's falling in love with her...

[clois-destiny-forever]

He's definitely getting there!

[thehenry89]

he's getting there

[superjude]

No, not yet. But he is certainly noticing her and really enjoying being near her.

[Jill]

Not yet, just getting there.

[davidbrenton]

He's getting there. I can't wait until he get's there and he hits that point where it's impossible to turn back.

[tbird4u]

Hes coming around FINALLY. I think stilleto is going to be the break episode where his is like OMG I love her

[LovelyLoisLane]

I wouldn't say he is IN love with her, but I think he has begun to fall just a bit and he is definitely attracted to her.

[eas]

I think he's falling for her hard and he's resisting it every step of the way. I think that he doesn't want to fall for her, but he can't help it.

But is he completely in love with her? I don't think so. The Lana thing is too fresh.

[Vergon6]

I think he's falling for her hard and he's resisting it every step of the way. I think that he doesn't want to fall for her, but he can't help it.

But is he completely in love with her? I don't think so. The Lana thing is too fresh.
I would have to agree with that.

[victory01]

I would have to agree with that.

Is it mean of me to wish that in the last episode of the whole Smallville series (ultimately, there is an end, right...) Clark will realize that he is completely in love with Lois, that his feelings for Lana paled by comparison...and that he will have to hear Lois tell him he's not her type and that she really loves Superman?

Honestly, I think this episode proved Clark admires Lois a lot. But it is only fair (after what he put her through and the nausea-inducing Lana episodes this season) that his admiration for her will get overshadowed by the deep admiration Lois develops for Superman.

[Alexander III]

NO

[SGuthrie27]

Definitely getting there... If he were already falling head over heels with Lois, I don't think I would like Clark all that much. To flip-flop so quickly between her and Lana was bad enough in the "Bride" - "Requiem" arc. We certainly don't need to see an IMMEDIATE "about face" here, as far as I'm concerned. I think he realizes more and more just how much Lois interests him. That curiosity will turn more and more into affection, and from that into the deep, abiding love the characters have in the Superman mythos.

--SGuthrie ><>' :)--

[Lilah]

He's falling HARD. He framed her rules, and his face when she said she had a date, PRICELESS! ROCK ON LOIS LANE!

[herolee10]

I believe Clark is now where Lois was at around Plastique/Instinct, where Clark can no longer deny that he does feel something indeed special towards Lois.

[susangail]

Getting there. I would call him awkwardly infatuated. A crush isn't love yet.

[borednow]

He makes puppy faces, has her rules framed and wants to ruin her date... boy is in love.

[alejandrita439]

he is falling in love...getting there... :)

[amberdawn]

No.

[JennyMoon]

In love. :)

[Jack-El49]

I think at this point, Clark feels something special for Lois. Since Infamous and now the things he's learned from "Hex", he realizes that Lois is more than just a friend and more than a co-worker he admires. Does he love her? I don't know for sure and I would say he loves her more than just a friend but not at the "must have her at all costs" level yet with Lois.

It's ashame though - it's all a plot device caused by the assinine Lana arc. He felt pretty sure in Bride; sure enough to initiated the kiss that never happened.

I think he's realizing what is slipping away from him right now and that the fact it is slipping away is going to be more pronounced before the end of the season. By the last episode, it will seem like she's slipped away for good and he's going to start getting more and more desperate to show he loves her.

Of course, with the writers of this series, that means about 20 episodes next year of the cat and mouse crap and 2 of the real love affair between the two before the series ends.

[a4g90]

he's getting there

[jpfort1957]

One of the biggest disappointments with Clark is he is so slowwwwwwwww with Lois!!!!!!!!!

[IHeartClois]

I'd say "getting there" too....but he has come a long way since Ep 5 Committed....it was beyond funny how annoyed he was by her then...and how he was pretty surprised when Lois said she loved him ...i think by the season finale we might see something REAL

[prodigykane]

My boy Clark is on his way.

[drvr8]

One of the biggest disappointments with Clark is he is so slowwwwwwwww with Lois!!!!!!!!!
We all know boys develop more slowly than girls ;)

[IHeartClois]

^^ I actually like the way its going tho...plus Clark just recently had supersex with Lana...LOL so I dont expect him to actually fall in "LOVE" so soon...not just yet...just realizing he has feelings for Lois is enough for now :-D

[The Dark Knight74]

He's getting their.

[svtwamedfan05]

he's getting there

[Lilah]

It's definitely more than just a lil crush.... lol.....

[Kal-ed]

No.

Your essay posts are getting really annoying amberdawn:p:lol:

[skugers]

He's simmering, not yet boiling :D

[smallvillerocks45]

I think Clark is definitely getting there... but I like the fact that his feelings are gradually emerging. It sure makes for some great TV.

[ChlarkerFan]

Love? No
He's just realizing the feelings.

Yep. I think that's the case, but he is actually letting go of Lana Lang which I'm very surprised. Even though Lana is not being mentioned, Chloe made that speech about leaving the past behind and getting burned and when Clark tried to escape the talk by asking Chloe if they were still talking about him, Chloe persisted that it was about *both* of them and then they made a toast to leaving the past behind. I never thought they'd have Clark saying something like that or making a toast to something like that.

[workshyslacker]

He's attracted to her but doesn't want to acknowledge it. I don't think he's in love, but he does have some feelings for her.

[theotherJane]

I think he certainly has all these feelings that he can't explain and doesn't want to acknowledge.

He felt really uncomfortable when Chloe called him out on the framed rules and immediately switched the conversation to her and Jimmy.

[Hopefulsuicide]

He's reminding me of Clark in season 1 of LnC... he loves to watch her, he loves to tease her, he loves to banter with her, he loves working with her... but is he IN LOVE yet... not quite... he'll get there though :)

[eas]

The sense I get is that this episode went a long way in showing how Clark views this situation. I mean, we’ve gotten hints and teases before, but this just basically told us that Clark has a thing for her. The sense I get is that he’s falling for Lois in spite of himself. He doesn’t want to fall in love with her and he’s probably a little bewildered how and why it’s happening.

I think that sort of scenario started back in S7, actually. When Lana was in the hospital, he became closer to Lois. By the end of the season, he was crying in her arms when Lana left him. S8 started out with Clark joining the DP and gleefully telling Lois that they’d be working side by side. Since then, I think they’ve just gotten closer and closer & Clark has, slowly but surely, been falling harder and harder.

But… he’s in denial about it and he likes it that way. That’s really the key: He likes being in denial when it comes to Lois. With the exception of Chloe’s wedding, he doesn’t allow the attraction between them and his changing feelings for her to come to the surface. And even dropping his guard at Chloe’s wedding was a temporary thing that he immediately ignored and refused to acknowledge it the second after the wedding ended.

Lana basically handed him a dream life on a platter (superpower girlfriend; working together to save the world; she was a match for him physically; no worrying about whether or not she’d accept him; no lying; no secrets) and he chose to settle with Lana rather than take out his feelings for Lois and examine them too closely. Because he probably realized that he wasn’t going to like the answer. And the answer would be that he should move on from Lana & try to invest time and emotion into building up a brand new relationship with Lois.

And, imo, I think that thought scared the living daylights out of him. After years of problems with Lana (and a brief relationship with a woman who was murdered) he now has to go all back to beginning with Lois Lane? He has to worry about telling her about his heritage. He has to worry about the affect it’ll have on their relationship. He has to worry about her safety all the time. And, more importantly, he has to open up his heart to a woman who could – quite possibly – crush it so that it is never whole again. It was one thing to take a gamble on Lana – who has already broken his heart so many times, he’s kind of used to it – but Lois? A woman who makes him laugh and grin? A woman who is an integral part of his daily life and he enjoys being with? It could go very badly and then where will they be?

What if didn’t work out? Something that Clark probably thinks is inevitable, because he doesn’t have the best of luck with his love life. Nor does Lois, for that matter. If she couldn’t make it work with Ollie, there is no way that Lois is going to cut him slack and make it work with him. And, if that’s the case, then why open that can of worms? Suddenly, he’s not only lost a woman who he might be madly in love with (which is going to hurt) but he’s lost one of his best friends, as well. That’s not a risk worth taking, in his opinion.

So, basically, I think he falls a little bit more in love with Lois every day. And, every day, he tells himself to stop it. And so when Lois does things like ask him to meet with her for coffee, he can’t stop himself from going there to look at her. But he can stop himself from walking across the street to join her. So when she tells him that she’s going on a date, he can stop himself from telling her not to – but he can’t help but suggest that he call her to pull her away from the date, so she can hang out with him, instead. And that’s why – in another time that never happened – he can negate her thoughts when she thinks she’s not special. But he can’t explain exactly how special she is.

Because if he goes down that path, I think he knows there’s no turning back. And that’s a path that he thinks will not end well for either one of them. And, so for that reason, I think he’s choosing the path of denial, because falling in love with Lois Lane is seriously the LAST thing he wants right now. I don’t think he can control it (you rarely can with true love) but he is the Man of Steel. He’s got the Will of Steel and right now it’s focused on NOT falling in love with Lois Lane. Yet, little actions, looks and comments here and there show that he may be fighting a losing battle with himself. And it’s quite possible that by the time he gets to the point where he acknowledges that the battle is lost, it’ll be too late & Lois will have moved on.

[lana 9]

getting there not in love yet

[marverde508]

he's definitely getting there and the funny thing is that she's trying to get the hell out of there because she feels she has suffer enough.
it's going to be really nice to watch clark chasing her while she's chasing the RBB.
but ultimatel what i want at the end of the series is for them to be together with her knowning who clark really is.

[supes0]

But… he’s in denial about it and he likes it that way. That’s really the key: He likes being in denial when it comes to Lois.

This is a very good point. He does not want these feelings, he's never wanted to feel this way over Lois. I think it's going to take the RBB triangle for him to realize she is the one.

[Smallville Vamp]

He's getting there.

[eas]

This is a very good point. He does not want these feelings, he's never wanted to feel this way over Lois. I think it's going to take the RBB triangle for him to realize she is the one.

Yes, it looks like this is what is being set up.

[bigblueplanet]

The sense I get is that this episode went a long way in showing how Clark views this situation. I mean, we’ve gotten hints and teases before, but this just basically told us that Clark has a thing for her. The sense I get is that he’s falling for Lois in spite of himself. He doesn’t want to fall in love with her and he’s probably a little bewildered how and why it’s happening.

I think that sort of scenario started back in S7, actually. When Lana was in the hospital, he became closer to Lois. By the end of the season, he was crying in her arms when Lana left him. S8 started out with Clark joining the DP and gleefully telling Lois that they’d be working side by side. Since then, I think they’ve just gotten closer and closer & Clark has, slowly but surely, been falling harder and harder.

But… he’s in denial about it and he likes it that way. That’s really the key: He likes being in denial when it comes to Lois. With the exception of Chloe’s wedding, he doesn’t allow the attraction between them and his changing feelings for her to come to the surface. And even dropping his guard at Chloe’s wedding was a temporary thing that he immediately ignored and refused to acknowledge it the second after the wedding ended.

Lana basically handed him a dream life on a platter (superpower girlfriend; working together to save the world; she was a match for him physically; no worrying about whether or not she’d accept him; no lying; no secrets) and he chose to settle with Lana rather than take out his feelings for Lois and examine them too closely. Because he probably realized that he wasn’t going to like the answer. And the answer would be that he should move on from Lana & try to invest time and emotion into building up a brand new relationship with Lois.

And, imo, I think that thought scared the living daylights out of him. After years of problems with Lana (and a brief relationship with a woman who was murdered) he now has to go all back to beginning with Lois Lane? He has to worry about telling her about his heritage. He has to worry about the affect it’ll have on their relationship. He has to worry about her safety all the time. And, more importantly, he has to open up his heart to a woman who could – quite possibly – crush it so that it is never whole again. It was one thing to take a gamble on Lana – who has already broken his heart so many times, he’s kind of used to it – but Lois? A woman who makes him laugh and grin? A woman who is an integral part of his daily life and he enjoys being with? It could go very badly and then where will they be?

What if didn’t work out? Something that Clark probably thinks is inevitable, because he doesn’t have the best of luck with his love life. Nor does Lois, for that matter. If she couldn’t make it work with Ollie, there is no way that Lois is going to cut him slack and make it work with him. And, if that’s the case, then why open that can of worms? Suddenly, he’s not only lost a woman who he might be madly in love with (which is going to hurt) but he’s lost one of his best friends, as well. That’s not a risk worth taking, in his opinion.

So, basically, I think he falls a little bit more in love with Lois every day. And, every day, he tells himself to stop it. And so when Lois does things like ask him to meet with her for coffee, he can’t stop himself from going there to look at her. But he can stop himself from walking across the street to join her. So when she tells him that she’s going on a date, he can stop himself from telling her not to – but he can’t help but suggest that he call her to pull her away from the date, so she can hang out with him, instead. And that’s why – in another time that never happened – he can negate her thoughts when she thinks she’s not special. But he can’t explain exactly how special she is.

Because if he goes down that path, I think he knows there’s no turning back. And that’s a path that he thinks will not end well for either one of them. And, so for that reason, I think he’s choosing the path of denial, because falling in love with Lois Lane is seriously the LAST thing he wants right now. I don’t think he can control it (you rarely can with true love) but he is the Man of Steel. He’s got the Will of Steel and right now it’s focused on NOT falling in love with Lois Lane. Yet, little actions, looks and comments here and there show that he may be fighting a losing battle with himself. And it’s quite possible that by the time he gets to the point where he acknowledges that the battle is lost, it’ll be too late & Lois will have moved on.

Amazing post, eas.

I was about to say something nasty regarding the thread question, but you made me shut up. :lol: You gave me a new perspective of Clark’s POV which I’ve never thought about before. You have some great, well thought out analyses of where he stands at the moment without sweeping the Power-arc under the rug. This makes complete sense to me. Wow. Thanks!

Aw so……my answer for the thread question? I also think Clark is falling without wanting to.
The man is in denial. LOL!

[cma_454]

IMHO he is, but he doesn't recognize the feeling.
I mean, his model for love has been the angsty, unhappy, roller coaster relationship he had with Lana. That's probably what he thinks love is supposed to be like.
These new feelings he's experiencing likely confuse (and maybe even scare) him.
YMMV,

[supes0]

Amazing post, eas.

I was about to say something nasty regarding the thread question, but you made me shut up. :lol: You gave me a new perspective of Clark’s POV which I’ve never thought about before. You have some great, well thought out analyses of where he stands at the moment without sweeping the Power-arc under the rug. This makes complete sense to me. Wow. Thanks!

Aw so……my answer for the thread question? I also think Clark is falling without wanting to.
The man is in denial. LOL!

I agree. eas's post is a must read. I've read it a couple times, it really puts P/R in to perspective. For the first time since season 9 was announced, I'm looking forward to it. For the first time since P/R I can see how they're going to show us Lois is true love, not the consolation prize.

Mind you, I think it's going to be a fine line to walk, I hope Miller writes more episodes next season, he gets it.

[eas]

I agree. eas's post is a must read. I've read it a couple times, it really puts P/R in to perspective. For the first time since season 9 was announced, I'm looking forward to it. For the first time since P/R I can see how they're going to show us Lois is true love, not the consolation prize.

Mind you, I think it's going to be a fine line to walk, I hope Miller writes more episodes next season, he gets it.

Why thank you! That's so sweet! :D

I agree that this is going to be a challenge. It's a very delicate balance and I think very few writers on the "SV" staff are capable of handling it well. Miller is the exception - not the rule.

At this point, Miller went a long way in explaining Clark's POV in S8. It helps that he wrote "Committed" and "Bulletproof" which were two very strong Clark episodes and both were episodes where we saw how he felt about Lana vs. Lois. Clark's helpless shrug and response to Chloe when he said, "Lois... she's Lois" makes sense within the context of this episode. This is a man who had already framed Lois's rules of journalism and keeps in his drawer. As a memento of their relationship. For a guy like Clark, that's a big deal. He says, in this episode, "It's a constant reminder that there's only one Lois Lane" and you remember that this same man couldn't find the words to describe this woman except to simply say, "She's Lois."

To him, "Lois Lane" is clearly a person that cannot be summed up or understood so easily. And if he chooses to take on the Herculean task of figuring out to make a love life work with her, it's not going to be easy. He gets that. So, he chooses not to take on the task. Because he's not so sure that he can survive it. And he's right.

I hope that "Stiletto" and "Doomsday" help explore this direction in a good way. I fear, though, that those writers will not be able to handle the delicate nature of this relationship as well as this episode did.

[BackToTheLies]

I agree. eas's post is a must read. I've read it a couple times, it really puts P/R in to perspective. For the first time since season 9 was announced, I'm looking forward to it. For the first time since P/R I can see how they're going to show us Lois is true love, not the consolation prize.

Mind you, I think it's going to be a fine line to walk, I hope Miller writes more episodes next season, he gets it.

A very very fine line and my fear is that they'll use something as sweeping as a moment of intense life or death experience - especially with Doomsday - (the easiest trick in the book) for the denial to be swept out of the room and bring the two together. And it's not like we haven't seen that many times before with someone else in Clark's life.

[eas]

A very very fine line and my fear is that they'll use something as sweeping as a moment of intense life or death experience - especially with Doomsday - (the easiest trick in the book) for the denial to be swept out of the room and bring the two together. And it's not like we haven't seen that many times before with someone else in Clark's life.

How can they do that, though, with a whole S9 to get through? I feel like the season finale MUST end with things still stalled between them so they can stretch it out in S9 (or, God help us, a S10).

[BackToTheLies]

How can they do that, though, with a whole S9 to get through? I feel like the season finale MUST end with things still stalled between them so they can stretch it out in S9 (or, God help us, a S10).

if i'm not mistaken, Doomsday is supposed to come back for S9?

even if it wasn't Doomsday i'd just rather not have the cliche "moment of truth" fall from a moment where Clark was forced to save her life or vice versa. But i suppose we can all see it coming from a mile away, no matter how far down the line it will come.

[eas]

if i'm not mistaken, Doomsday is supposed to come back for S9?

even if it wasn't Doomsday i'd just rather not have the cliche "moment of truth" fall from a moment where Clark was forced to save her life or vice versa. But i suppose we can all see it coming from a mile away, no matter how far down the line it will come.

Oh, sorry... I thought you were talking about the S8 finale. (It's called "Doomsday".)

Well... I think that there will be a moment of "life or death" that forces Clark to snap out of his denial. I don't necessarily think that moment will happen in the series finale. I think that'll happen well before then and we'll see quite a few episodes where he is actively chasing after Lois.

When will that happen? No clue.

[Mr. Clark Kent27]

He is definetly getting there which is a good thing, but also denying it I think because of Lana. Dammit! Lol.

[alma]

He's getting there, which is fine by me, because I don't want them to rush this relationship.

[Odysseus]

He's getting there. This episode he was definitely thinking about it

[amalie]

The sense I get is that this episode went a long way in showing how Clark views this situation. I mean, we’ve gotten hints and teases before, but this just basically told us that Clark has a thing for her. The sense I get is that he’s falling for Lois in spite of himself. He doesn’t want to fall in love with her and he’s probably a little bewildered how and why it’s happening.

I think that sort of scenario started back in S7, actually. When Lana was in the hospital, he became closer to Lois. By the end of the season, he was crying in her arms when Lana left him. S8 started out with Clark joining the DP and gleefully telling Lois that they’d be working side by side. Since then, I think they’ve just gotten closer and closer & Clark has, slowly but surely, been falling harder and harder.

But… he’s in denial about it and he likes it that way. That’s really the key: He likes being in denial when it comes to Lois. With the exception of Chloe’s wedding, he doesn’t allow the attraction between them and his changing feelings for her to come to the surface. And even dropping his guard at Chloe’s wedding was a temporary thing that he immediately ignored and refused to acknowledge it the second after the wedding ended.

Lana basically handed him a dream life on a platter (superpower girlfriend; working together to save the world; she was a match for him physically; no worrying about whether or not she’d accept him; no lying; no secrets) and he chose to settle with Lana rather than take out his feelings for Lois and examine them too closely. Because he probably realized that he wasn’t going to like the answer. And the answer would be that he should move on from Lana & try to invest time and emotion into building up a brand new relationship with Lois.

And, imo, I think that thought scared the living daylights out of him. After years of problems with Lana (and a brief relationship with a woman who was murdered) he now has to go all back to beginning with Lois Lane? He has to worry about telling her about his heritage. He has to worry about the affect it’ll have on their relationship. He has to worry about her safety all the time. And, more importantly, he has to open up his heart to a woman who could – quite possibly – crush it so that it is never whole again. It was one thing to take a gamble on Lana – who has already broken his heart so many times, he’s kind of used to it – but Lois? A woman who makes him laugh and grin? A woman who is an integral part of his daily life and he enjoys being with? It could go very badly and then where will they be?

What if didn’t work out? Something that Clark probably thinks is inevitable, because he doesn’t have the best of luck with his love life. Nor does Lois, for that matter. If she couldn’t make it work with Ollie, there is no way that Lois is going to cut him slack and make it work with him. And, if that’s the case, then why open that can of worms? Suddenly, he’s not only lost a woman who he might be madly in love with (which is going to hurt) but he’s lost one of his best friends, as well. That’s not a risk worth taking, in his opinion.

So, basically, I think he falls a little bit more in love with Lois every day. And, every day, he tells himself to stop it. And so when Lois does things like ask him to meet with her for coffee, he can’t stop himself from going there to look at her. But he can stop himself from walking across the street to join her. So when she tells him that she’s going on a date, he can stop himself from telling her not to – but he can’t help but suggest that he call her to pull her away from the date, so she can hang out with him, instead. And that’s why – in another time that never happened – he can negate her thoughts when she thinks she’s not special. But he can’t explain exactly how special she is.

Because if he goes down that path, I think he knows there’s no turning back. And that’s a path that he thinks will not end well for either one of them. And, so for that reason, I think he’s choosing the path of denial, because falling in love with Lois Lane is seriously the LAST thing he wants right now. I don’t think he can control it (you rarely can with true love) but he is the Man of Steel. He’s got the Will of Steel and right now it’s focused on NOT falling in love with Lois Lane. Yet, little actions, looks and comments here and there show that he may be fighting a losing battle with himself. And it’s quite possible that by the time he gets to the point where he acknowledges that the battle is lost, it’ll be too late & Lois will have moved on.

*Applauds*

Spot on Eas. A very insightful post, I think you've summed it up perfectly.

[dotsie23]

I don't think he's in love with her it seems more like a growing fondness for her. In the end he'll eventually fall in love with her.

[Alicia Chipy]

Excellent post eas!
Develop his feelings slowly,Lois deserves the time spent wooing her.

[MrZeppo]

The sense I get is that this episode went a long way in showing how Clark views this situation. I mean, we’ve gotten hints and teases before, but this just basically told us that Clark has a thing for her. The sense I get is that he’s falling for Lois in spite of himself. He doesn’t want to fall in love with her and he’s probably a little bewildered how and why it’s happening.

I think that sort of scenario started back in S7, actually. When Lana was in the hospital, he became closer to Lois. By the end of the season, he was crying in her arms when Lana left him. S8 started out with Clark joining the DP and gleefully telling Lois that they’d be working side by side. Since then, I think they’ve just gotten closer and closer & Clark has, slowly but surely, been falling harder and harder.

But… he’s in denial about it and he likes it that way. That’s really the key: He likes being in denial when it comes to Lois. With the exception of Chloe’s wedding, he doesn’t allow the attraction between them and his changing feelings for her to come to the surface. And even dropping his guard at Chloe’s wedding was a temporary thing that he immediately ignored and refused to acknowledge it the second after the wedding ended.

Lana basically handed him a dream life on a platter (superpower girlfriend; working together to save the world; she was a match for him physically; no worrying about whether or not she’d accept him; no lying; no secrets) and he chose to settle with Lana rather than take out his feelings for Lois and examine them too closely. Because he probably realized that he wasn’t going to like the answer. And the answer would be that he should move on from Lana & try to invest time and emotion into building up a brand new relationship with Lois.

And, imo, I think that thought scared the living daylights out of him. After years of problems with Lana (and a brief relationship with a woman who was murdered) he now has to go all back to beginning with Lois Lane? He has to worry about telling her about his heritage. He has to worry about the affect it’ll have on their relationship. He has to worry about her safety all the time. And, more importantly, he has to open up his heart to a woman who could – quite possibly – crush it so that it is never whole again. It was one thing to take a gamble on Lana – who has already broken his heart so many times, he’s kind of used to it – but Lois? A woman who makes him laugh and grin? A woman who is an integral part of his daily life and he enjoys being with? It could go very badly and then where will they be?

What if didn’t work out? Something that Clark probably thinks is inevitable, because he doesn’t have the best of luck with his love life. Nor does Lois, for that matter. If she couldn’t make it work with Ollie, there is no way that Lois is going to cut him slack and make it work with him. And, if that’s the case, then why open that can of worms? Suddenly, he’s not only lost a woman who he might be madly in love with (which is going to hurt) but he’s lost one of his best friends, as well. That’s not a risk worth taking, in his opinion.

So, basically, I think he falls a little bit more in love with Lois every day. And, every day, he tells himself to stop it. And so when Lois does things like ask him to meet with her for coffee, he can’t stop himself from going there to look at her. But he can stop himself from walking across the street to join her. So when she tells him that she’s going on a date, he can stop himself from telling her not to – but he can’t help but suggest that he call her to pull her away from the date, so she can hang out with him, instead. And that’s why – in another time that never happened – he can negate her thoughts when she thinks she’s not special. But he can’t explain exactly how special she is.

Because if he goes down that path, I think he knows there’s no turning back. And that’s a path that he thinks will not end well for either one of them. And, so for that reason, I think he’s choosing the path of denial, because falling in love with Lois Lane is seriously the LAST thing he wants right now. I don’t think he can control it (you rarely can with true love) but he is the Man of Steel. He’s got the Will of Steel and right now it’s focused on NOT falling in love with Lois Lane. Yet, little actions, looks and comments here and there show that he may be fighting a losing battle with himself. And it’s quite possible that by the time he gets to the point where he acknowledges that the battle is lost, it’ll be too late & Lois will have moved on.

Just jumping on the bandwagon to say I totally agree with you eas. This was a brilliant and accurate description of what we're seeing. Clark is in denial and is slowly finding it harder and harder to ignore how he feels about Lois.

I predicted this half of the season would deal with Clark's side of Clois as we know how Lois feels. Clark's feelings can't just be blurted out but introduced slowly (especially on the heels of Requiem") and subtley, which I think is part of the charm about Clois right now. The anticipation. It's one of the best parts of any tv romance, to get that buildup and payoff when both people finally admit how they feel. That's what I see here. I don't mind that they don't jump immediately to Clois because I'm savoring this.

[supes0]

Why thank you! That's so sweet! :D

You're welcome. Thank you for your post. I've been feeling really ambivalent about this show lately. And I've been completely down on clois, reading your post really got me thinking and realizing it can be fixed.


I agree that this is going to be a challenge. It's a very delicate balance and I think very few writers on the "SV" staff are capable of handling it well. Miller is the exception - not the rule.

Yes. I agree. I *hope* they give Miller more episodes next season, especially ones which move the Clark/Lois relationship along.



To him, "Lois Lane" is clearly a person that cannot be summed up or understood so easily. And if he chooses to take on the Herculean task of figuring out to make a love life work with her, it's not going to be easy. He gets that. So, he chooses not to take on the task. Because he's not so sure that he can survive it. And he's right.

You're right.

It was interesting to watch EDChloe taken aback with the way Clark talks to Lois. There's no niceties involved, it's raw, no punches pulled. Clark wouldn't have commented on anybody else's choice of clothing, with Lois he can and does say whatever comes to his mind.

I think this both scares him and frees him. She rattles him on a fundamental level, and he doesn't know how or why. She constantly confounds him, and considering how complex his life is, to add crazy Lois to the mix is adding the proverbial fuel to the fire.


I hope that "Stiletto" and "Doomsday" help explore this direction in a good way. I fear, though, that those writers will not be able to handle the delicate nature of this relationship as well as this episode did.

Me too!! Fingers crossed this isn't just an anomaly.

[wafflles87]

People have said it before, but I'll repeat.

Awesome post Sana.Just... awesome

[Iluvgreen]

Oh he's so in love wiht her!!! He's not even denying it!!!! The whole conversation with Chloe just showed that he loves her alot.

[bigblueplanet]

It was interesting to watch EDChloe taken aback with the way Clark talks to Lois. There's no niceties involved, it's raw, no punches pulled. Clark wouldn't have commented on anybody else's choice of clothing, with Lois he can and does say whatever comes to his mind.

I think this both scares him and frees him. She rattles him on a fundamental level, and he doesn't know how or why. She constantly confounds him, and considering how complex his life is, to add crazy Lois to the mix is adding the proverbial fuel to the fire.


Exactly!

I just hope other writers get this as much as BQM. He definitely has to pass the memo to all of them!

[j-kent]

Love, Schmlove, whatever he's in...he's in the moment everyday with her....

[outkast_krypto]

he is getting there

[Indira Kal]

getting there...

[-Nora-]

Sana, kick ass analysis. Just wow.

Clark is getting there.

[marcella]

He is falling in love

[F..l]

he is falling ;) more and more deeply :D ...

[zHeN_zHeN]

Hmm... I don't know, but he definitely wants her! ;)

[Violet-Shadow]

He's well on his way.

[Alania]

No, but he is getting there; writers making him push his lightswitch button is being quite the help.:rolleyes:

[amberdawn]

LOL push his lightswitch button. Made me laugh, not sure why. :p

[workshyslacker]

No, but he is getting there; writers making him push his lightswitch button is being quite the help.:rolleyes:

:lol::D

Bones, bones, bones. It's just not good enough. :\

Clark, despite your emo excuses, you're still on probation. :D

[starflower69]

He makes puppy faces, has her rules framed and wants to ruin her date... boy is in love.


Totally agree, only a man in love makes puppy dog eyes!!! The evidence is there for us to see.

[melissan02]

:lol::D

Bones, bones, bones. It's just not good enough. :\

Clark, despite your emo excuses, you're still on probation. :D:rotfl:

[Alania]

LOL push his lightswitch button. Made me laugh, not sure why. :p

I know, because it is, i dare to say, laughable, the same fragile feelings he started having in Bride for Lois came rushing right back up after all that clana. There's no continuance at all and they, to quote myankskent here, "basically want everyone to forget clana and pretend that Clark has spent the entire season giving Lois looks without any interruption." They are using Clois romantic moments to make it up to the inconclusive clana closure.


:lol::D

Bones, bones, bones. It's just not good enough. :\

Clark, despite your emo excuses, you're still on probation. :D

Agreed. Probation till further believable actions!

[Jack-El49]

I know, because it is, i dare to say, laughable, the same fragile feelings he started having in Bride for Lois came rushing right back up after all that clana. There's no continuance at all and they, to quote myankskent here, "basically want everyone to forget clana and pretend that Clark has spent the entire season giving Lois looks without any interruption." They are using Clois romantic moments to make it up to the inconclusive clana closure.



Agreed. Probation till further believable actions!

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[supercatmom]

I think he's falling for her hard and he's resisting it every step of the way. I think that he doesn't want to fall for her, but he can't help it.

But is he completely in love with her? I don't think so. The Lana thing is too fresh.

ITA

[Mickey_Bickey]

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Oh he's so in love wiht her!!! He's not even denying it!!!! The whole conversation with Chloe just showed that he loves her alot.

He's totally in love with her now, and I'm back in love with this show!!;)

[Jedimaster_TTBaby]

He's falling slowly....he'll reach there eventually. They have redeemed Clois.

[Alania]

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I know, Jack, sorry!! But u know me, hard to be convinced... But, the day will come ;)

[Mickey_Bickey]

I know, Jack, sorry!! But u know me, hard to be convinced... But, the day will come ;)

I hope it comes sooner than later!:lol:

[krpto]

I'd say clark loves lois but is he in love with her I'd say not yet right now he has more of a friend love with her but his feeling for her are growing and eventually he will be in love with her.

[amberdawn]

^^ I think he loves her, and really has for a while, but it was never romantic love.

[herolee10]

well I think that Clark is where Lois was at around Instinct...where he knows that he can't deny on what he feels for her any longer.

[workshyslacker]

well I think that Clark is where Lois was at around Instinct...where he knows that he can't deny on what he feels for her any longer.

Bless you, Thomas. I've always thought you have good thoughts, and you're the optimist when we're not.

I have to ask myself, if he is now where Lois was during Instinct, where was he during Bride, before and after Lana arrived? Where was Clark during Requiem in regards to his feelings towards Lana and his supposed feelings for Lois? I know where he was; "Inconsistent."

I hope that one day, you and I will agree about the Clois on this show and celebrate it.

[Mickey_Bickey]

well I think that Clark is where Lois was at around Instinct...where he knows that he can't deny on what he feels for her any longer.

I think that's a good summation, Thomas.

[Tompouce]

well I think that Clark is where Lois was at around Instinct...where he knows that he can't deny on what he feels for her any longer.
Exactly. Love is in the air, lalalala :D

[sunset]

He's getting there... but I have a bad feeling they'll stretch the "getting there"/puppy dog eyes/"gazing from afar" the whole S9!! After all, they're supposed to acknowledge their love only after Superman comes out, right?

And that sucks. I want so much to actually "see" them together in Smallville! Sigh!

[Alania]

Bless you, Thomas. I've always thought you have good thoughts, and you're the optimist when we're not.

I have to ask myself, if he is now where Lois was during Instinct, where was he during Bride, before and after Lana arrived? Where was Clark during Requiem in regards to his feelings towards Lana and his supposed feelings for Lois? I know where he was; "Inconsistent."

I hope that one day, you and I will agree about the Clois on this show and celebrate it.

Exactly. Feeling something for her just like he was in Bride as if absolutely nothing happened the four previous episodes (11-14) is just pushing this relationship.:\

[melissan02]

He's totally in love with her now, and I'm back in love with this show!!;)
Uh oh, Michelle. :(
I'm gonna have to disagree here. I think he's certainly falling in love w/ her little by little, more and more....but totally in love?---Eh.:\
The root word of totally is total, meaning entirety, and I just don't believe Clark is at that point....yet.;)

[eas]

I know, because it is, i dare to say, laughable, the same fragile feelings he started having in Bride for Lois came rushing right back up after all that clana. There's no continuance at all and they, to quote myankskent here, "basically want everyone to forget clana and pretend that Clark has spent the entire season giving Lois looks without any interruption." They are using Clois romantic moments to make it up to the inconclusive clana closure.

See, I don't agree with that at all. And that's saying something because I'm not even a Cloiser after the Arc of Suck (AoS).

I think that if Clark had voiced his feelings for Lois in "Infamous" (or, even worse, kissed her) and if he had voiced his feelings for Lois in "Hex" THEN it would be a major ret-con.

However, after watching these two episodes, I think that they are handling Clark's feelings for Lois with kid gloves & that actually works within the context of the AoS.

As I said higher up on the thread, I think that "Hex" addresses a lot of the concerns that Lois Lane & Clark Kent fans have about what the relationship between these two really is and exactly where Clark Kent stands in his perception of Lois.

I think that Clark is very much in denial about his feelings for Lois and he likes it that way. When Chloe prods him (as she's done much of S8) he completely ignores it or changes the subject because he can't handle having feelings for Lois.

Yes, it's true that in the AoS, Clark basically chose Lana over Lois. But let's think - for a moment - on what the two women were offering him, at the time.

Lana: A life with a super-powered woman. A woman who he thought he was in love with since he was 5 years old. In his mind, there are only a few things that kept him & Lana apart... secrets, lies, and his fear that she'd get hurt. They couldn't even SLEEP together because he was afraid that he'd crush her. Now, she's just as powerful as him. She also wants to save the world with him on a daily basis. She says she fully understands and accepts him for who he is. In fact, she's embraced his super-powered side so much, she basically wants to be the female version of him. So, he thinks back on the love that they shared and believes that love just doesn't fade away so easily. So, now, he's got this girl that he loves and she is - in a way - everything that he would want in a woman. She's this feminine and sweet little thing who is everything he dreamed a woman should be as he was growing up.

Lois: A life with a human being who is constantly in danger - not just because of him, but because she seems to have a death wish. She sarcastic, rude, annoying and in his face. She also makes him laugh and he loves to tease her. They have fun together (guitar hero weekends) but there is always a part of him that he has to keep a secret from her. He's constantly lying to her about his secret life. He knows that Lois broke up with Ollie once she found out his secret and Ollie was someone she loved very much & he was a frakkin' billionaire. If she could dump someone like THAT, then why would she even twice before telling him that it wouldn't work out between her and an alien? He's not even sure if he loves her or not, so what if he chooses to go for it & the worst case scenario goes down? Now he's left with no girlfriend, Lois knows his secret, and they're not even friends anymore because he thinks she won't be able to look at him the same. And she's not even what he wants in a girl, anyway. She's bossy and overbearing & is not his type. And that's not even counting the fact that he's afraid she'll end up and die (or become crazy-pants) and suffer because she knows his secret, just like Chloe did and Lana did.

Is the risk worth it? Is that sort of potential pain worth him taking the steps to see what this new thing between him and Lois is about? And is he even over Lana, who was SUPPOSED to be the love of his life? How dare he even consider leaving Lana when Lana has given up so much for him to be with him? (So he thinks.) Chloe and Lana suffered for years because of his secret and - if he could - he'd take the knowledge away from them. So why should he move forward with Lois knowing that he's going to go down that same path with her?

So... who to choose? (a) The woman who drives him crazy and - yet - he can't help but feel something for her. But it'll be hard as hell to navigate those waters. (b) Or the woman who is handing him - on a platter - the life he always dreamed of having. And it's an added bonus that whenever he dreamed of it, it was with her in mind.

To me, the choice is obvious. "B" makes sense and that's what Clark chose. To his detriment. And, now, he realized that "B" only seemed like the right choice & life has given him a second chance to go back and pick "A". But he's still resistant because that choice freaks the living daylights out of him.

So he's taking his feelings for Lois and stuffing them back inside and telling those feelings (quite sternly) that they don't exist and he needs to focus on being the RBB. Yet, those feelings still pop up the surface now and again. Sometimes, he looks at her too long. Sometimes, he gets annoyed if she's going out on a date. Sometimes, he has to go stare at her while she waits to have coffee with him. But is he going to act on those stares and that annoyance? No. Because it's not the right time and Clark can't go there.

[melissan02]

Bless you, Thomas. I've always thought you have good thoughts, and you're the optimist when we're not.

I have to ask myself, if he is now where Lois was during Instinct, where was he during Bride, before and after Lana arrived? Where was Clark during Requiem in regards to his feelings towards Lana and his supposed feelings for Lois? I know where he was; "Inconsistent."

I hope that one day, you and I will agree about the Clois on this show and celebrate it.
Ah, my dear Charlotte! Great word to use in regards to this, inconsistent!;)

BTW, I'll tell you where Clark was during Requiem(as a reminder for those who simply want to forget:rolleyes:)...he was enfolded in Lana's "heat" under the sheets, resulting in a broken antique oak bed!:mad: (I'll let that sink in while you recover from gagging!:p) That's where he was! I, for one, won't dismiss or forget that lovely little scene:rolleyes:, that, in SV time took place just under 6 weeks ago!!!

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See, I don't agree with that at all. And that's saying something because I'm not even a Cloiser after the Arc of Suck (AoS). I'm less of a Cloiser after that arc, I'd say I'm on a small raft floating nearby the Clois ship!;)


I think that if Clark had voiced his feelings for Lois in "Infamous" (or, even worse, kissed her) and if he had voiced his feelings for Lois in "Hex" THEN it would be a major ret-con.

However, after watching these two episodes, I think that they are handling Clark's feelings for Lois with kid gloves & that actually works within the context of the AoS. I understand your point, sana. You're right to some degree...it would have been major ret-con for Clark to voice anything to Lois in Infamous...or Hex. I guess my frustration lies in the fact that we'll probably never hear him voice anything regarding his feelings or the AoS [Clana] relationship ending!! That's my frustration and fear...that nothing will be addressed, and quite honestly, it makes me want to jump ship entirely!:(

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Exactly. Feeling something for her just like he was in Bride as if absolutely nothing happened the four previous episodes (11-14) is just pushing this relationship.:\
Yes, Alania! Thank you!! And herein lies the problem for me!

[eas]

I guess I should add in: I'm not trying to justify or rationalize Clark's choices or his role in the AoS. I think Clark made a ton of mistakes. I don't think that choosing to ignore his feelings for Lois is necessarily one of them.

The mistake that he made in the AoS (and, in fact, made throughout his life) is that he chose to ignore Lana's flaws. Sure, she was handing him this perfect wife on a platter, but he didn't stop to think how she got to that point. He didn't consider that Lana was not making those decisions on a purely selfless level & that she was power-hungry.

It almost played out like a fairy-tale, where the good guy makes a deal with a witch & seemingly gets everything he wants. Until the "twist" when it turns out that he had to pretty much give up his soul to get it. In this case, I feel like Clark had to basically turn a blind eye to everything bad that Lana did to be able to live out this fairy tale. And I don't respect that in him. But, at the same time, I realize that the writers, themselves, did not mean to paint Lana in such a bad light & Clark was only manifesting their own warped perception of Lana Lang. It's unfortunate that this makes Clark look like a character who never quite grasped the moral of the story and figured out how to slay the witch, so to speak. Lex, instead, figured out a way to remove Lana from Clark's side and the slaying was taken out of his hands. Clark should have been allowed to come to terms with what Lana lost (as a human being) to gain those powers and he should have been allowed to see her flaws for what they were. And, then, he should have walked away from her because the life she offered him was merely an illusion. Something that became clear when the cost of her choices was that she became the one thing that can kill him.

So, I think he's made some mistakes with Lana, but I don't necessarily think that it's wrong that he didn't choose Lois over Lana, at that point. Why would he? Lana was a much easier path to take. And, now, Lana is totally out of the picture, but he still can't make himself move forward with Lois, because the thought of trying to make it work with Lois freaks him out.

[workshyslacker]

Sana, you always make good points. However, I would disagree with you on this. Clark didn't want Lana just because she had become everything he wanted; a super-powered girlfriend who knew his secret, who would share his life. He begged her to stay despite her becoming, literally, poisonous to him, even though she could no longer share his life. He still wanted her; he still loved her. Do you think he would've given up finding a cure for her had she stayed? He would have searched for a cure, and not acted on his attraction for Lois. He would not have given up on his loved ones. At least SVClark has that still in common with Comics Clark. And having super-powers is no protection against danger. You still have enemies, perhaps more super-powered ones as Clark will find out, who will find your weaknesses and think of more ingenious ways of harming you. And when does Superman ever take the easy way out? Clark proved it when he asked Lana to defuse the bomb. He knows what difficult choices are, and he can make them.

Choosing between Lois and Lana at that stage should have nothing to do with who could give him the "easier life", its the strength of one's feelings that should count. And I think that was Clark's thinking.

I have tried to rationalise his actions exactly in the way you have, but this argument just doesn't work for me.

[eas]

I understand your point, sana. You're right to some degree...it would have been major ret-con for Clark to voice anything to Lois in Infamous...or Hex. I guess my frustration lies in the fact that we'll probably never hear him voice anything regarding his feelings or the AoS [Clana] relationship ending!! That's my frustration and fear...that nothing will be addressed, and quite honestly, it makes me want to jump ship entirely!:(

I think that writers are addressing it without letting it overshadow the current arc. The sense I get is that they have two choices: (1) Have Clark give monologues to Chloe about how much he misses Lana and his tortured view of what happened or (2) Have random comments here and there about he's throwing himself into work as the RBB, have him start to manifest his suppressed feelings for Lois, and have small talks where Chloe (and other characters) mention that he should be moving on.

They've chosen Option 2. And I can't say that I'm not grateful for it. Just hearing the name "Lana" makes me cringe at this point. Throughout all of S5 & S6, it seemed like Clark's only purpose onscreen was to talk about Lana. And I really don't want to go back to that. If he's choosing to work out his grief over losing Lana silently, then I really don't have a problem with that.

And, since then, we've seen that he's quite willing to let it go. In "Infamous" he chose not to go back in time to save Lana from putting on the power suit. In my own little world, I believe that he knew that it would be pointless because she'd do it, anyway. In "Infamous", he got dressed up and tried to go see Lois. He chose not to see her, because I think he couldn't bring himself to dating her, but he couldn't - at the same time - look at her and tell her that he didn't have feelings for her. I thought he was a coward there, but Clark's not exactly put together when it comes to his love life. Then, in "Turbulence", he shrugged off the fact that Tess tried to kill Lana & even thought Tess's actions were a bit justified.

Now, in "Hex", we're shown Clark's interaction with Lois Lane through fresh eyes -- through Chloe's eyes. And we're shown that he looks at her all the time and he's snappy & zingy with her. He picks up every time she calls. They bicker and fight, but he loves it. He has a framed copy of something she gave him in his drawer. (And we all know how Clark loves his framed stuff when he's feeling something for a girl.) They banter and flirt & he doesn't like it when she goes out with a guy.

BUT... he's not going to do anything about it. When Chloe brings it up, he deflects because he can't talk about it with her. This is note-worthy, given that Chloe got the blow-by-blow on every single detail of the Clana ship. Yet, when it comes to Lois, he is tight-lipped and can't talk about it. Why? Because he doesn't want to go there with Lois and vocalizing his feelings will force him to acknowledge that he's falling for her.

I think that this all actually does fit into the AoS pretty well. I think that if Clark was asking Lois out or giving long monologues on how much he loves her, then it would be inconsistent. But the fear and hesitation he has to pursue anything with her? That makes given what just went down with Lana.

[melissan02]

Clark didn't want Lana just because she had become everything he wanted; a super-powered girlfriend who knew his secret, who would share his life. He begged her to stay despite her becoming, literally, poisonous to him, even though she could no longer share his life. He still wanted her; he still loved her. This is true. The rooftop scene at the DP clearly indicated that Clark made his choice to be w/ Lana. Rememer how we were all up-in-arms about it? I do...even if some simply choose to forget.


Do you think he would've given up finding a cure for her had she stayed? He would have searched for a cure, and not acted on his attraction for Lois. He wouldn't have given up on finding a cure for Lana...he pretty much stated so before she told him she was leaving. He wanted her to stay because he loved her. Mostly likely, he still does to some degree.

Of course, as we well know, KK's return was only for 5 episodes, so we'll never know what direction TPTB would have taken if Lana's character had stuck around.
Or will we?
I'm still not so confident that we won't see Lana Lang again before the series ends. That's why I choose to be cautious w/ what Clois we'll get from here on out. For me personally, it's a wiser choice with this show.:\ [/QUOTE]

[wafflles87]

I don't get it... why does what happened in the Lana arc matter so much? It's not like Clark jumped Lois the second she was back.

Would I have liked Clana to end like a normal relationship? Totally. Did it happen? Nope. I think that in light of this, they're developing Clois pretty well. Just because Clana were split up by outside forces, why does that have to taint Clois in any way?

If Clana had not been split by Lex, then perhaps they would have been together forever. Or perhaps Clark would've realized the relationship is disfunctional at best, and gotten out, we don't know, and frankly, I don't care. It's over, that's what matters to me. People are split up from loved ones in real life often (sad but true). Does that mean that they can never be trully happy again, or that the love they find afterwords is less special? Frell no!

Just because Clark chose Lana over Lois now, it doesn't mean he would in the future as well. And of course he chose Lana. Of course he did. Did anyone expect him not to? I was hoping he won't sure... but I knew he would. This here's the girl he's been "in love" with for years and years and years. His feelings for her were way stronger than his feelings for Lois, and that's fine. Feelings can change. His feelings for Lois will become a thousand times stronger than any of his childish feelings for Lana, and that's what counts. Just because he didn't realize who the love of his life would be at 22 doesn't make him a bad guy, it makes him a normal guy, confused and maybe a bit blinded by his feelings.


EDIT: BTW, Sana, great posts. You managed to say what I wanted to a lot better ;)

[eas]

Sana, you always make good points. However, I would disagree with you on this. Clark didn't want Lana just because she had become everything he wanted; a super-powered girlfriend who knew his secret, who would share his life. He begged her to stay despite her becoming, literally, poisonous to him, even though she could no longer share his life. He still wanted her; he still loved her.

Yes, I agree with you there. But I don't think that Clark was begging her to stay because he couldn't live without her. I think he was - rightfully so - telling her that she should stick around so they could find a cure & that they should be optimistic. That even if they couldn't touch, he wasn't going to let that ruin their relationship. He saw their relationship as being more than just physical.

Now... Lana chose to walk away. And he was crushed. She basically told him that she couldn't be with him if she couldn't touch him & that it would be too hard to find a cure. So, he kissed her good-bye, knowing it would probably be the last time he saw her.

Did he look like an idiot? Yes. And it doesn't say much for that so-called "epic love" if Lana's version of trying to was to call one person and then shrug and say, "Nope, can't fix it. Oh well."


Do you think he would've given up finding a cure for her had she stayed? He would have searched for a cure, and not acted on his attraction for Lois.

I agree. Again, he'd choose the girl that was easier to deal with than Lois Lane. Between the two, I think that Lois is more complicated and harder for him to figure out. Lana is, in some ways, easier for him because loving her is like a habit. He doesn't even to think about it.

Lois is fresh, exciting, and a complete mystery. She's a challenge. And that freaks him out.

So, yeah, I think he'd choose Lana, because she was easier & also because he probably feels guilty that she's walking K-nite & feels like he owes her a cure. I think a lot of Clark's relationship with Lana is fueled by guilt.


And having super-powers is no protection against danger. You still have enemies, perhaps more super-powered ones as Clark will find out, who will find your weaknesses and think of more ingenious ways of harming you. And when does Superman ever take the easy way out? Clark proved it when he asked Lana to defuse the bomb. He knows what difficult choices are, and he can make them.

Her having powers makes her more likely to live if people should target her. And this Clark takes the easy way out all the time.


CHoosing between Lois and Lana at that stage should have nothing to do with who could give hm the "easier life", its the strength of one's feelings that should count. And I think that was Clark's thinking.

And is there something wrong with him loving Lana more at that moment? I am not a Cloiser any longer, so I have no problem with acknowledging that the feelings he had for Lana - at that time - were stronger than the feelings that he had for Lois. And, on top of that, Lana offered him what he'd been dreaming of for years. And, in his own words, he questioned if one could love someone for years and then it could just disappear overnight. (Which meant that he questioned if he even loved Lana still.)

I think that the AoS made one thing pretty clear -- Lana is a symbol of his past & Clark really has problems letting go of his past. From their talk in "Bulletproof" to the way it ended with the K-nite necklace. Even Lana's last convo with him referenced her dead parents.

It may not make Clark look good (and it really doesn't) but his love for Lana outweighed his new feelings for Lois because he'd been in love with Lana longer (for the majority of his life) and he was in the habit of being in love with her. She made sense to him, because she was the one that he's always thought of when he thinks of love.


I have tried to rationalise his actions exactly in the way you have, but this argument just doesn't work for me.

I'm not rationalizing his feelings. I think he was being an idiot. Not necessarily for choosing Lana over Lois, but because he was blind to Lana's faults. I don't think he should have dumped Lana for Lois. I think he should have dumped Lana because she's a few fries short of a happy meal.

Now... in the present... his feelings for Lois are something he can't control, but he's trying. Can't I, at least, give him credit for that? While it's obvious that he's got an attraction to Lois that is getting harder and harder for him to hide, he's not acting on it because he knows that this thing just ended with Lana & his life is complicated.

[workshyslacker]

I think that writers are addressing it without letting it overshadow the current arc. The sense I get is that they have two choices: (1) Have Clark give monologues to Chloe about how much he misses Lana and his tortured view of what happened or (2) Have random comments here and there about he's throwing himself into work as the RBB, have him start to manifest his suppressed feelings for Lois, and have small talks where Chloe (and other characters) mention that he should be moving on.

I agree the first choice would be unbearable for some of the viewers. The second one is what they're trying to do. However, this shoud have come at the beginning of the season and not ill-placed in the middle after they built up the Clois. I agree KK's departure and return was not helpful, but in that case they should have planned her arc so it did not require damage control in the latter half of the season.



And, since then, we've seen that he's quite willing to let it go. In "Infamous" he chose not to go back in time to save Lana from putting on the power suit. In my own little world, I believe that he knew that it would be pointless because she'd do it, anyway. In "Infamous", he got dressed up and tried to go see Lois. He chose not to see her, because I think he couldn't bring himself to dating her, but he couldn't - at the same time - look at her and tell her that he didn't have feelings for her. I thought he was a coward there, but Clark's not exactly put together when it comes to his love life. Then, in "Turbulence", he shrugged off the fact that Tess tried to kill Lana & even thought Tess's actions were a bit justified.
And I'm grateful he didn't turn back time for her again. One could argue that he was not sure if he could stop the chain of events between Lex, Lana and him, or that Jor-el's earlier lesson about time-travel eventually stuck. But looking at it that way doesn't explain why he still went ahead and did it. How would he know that he could not prevent the events from leading to the same conclusion again, or that as his actions could have repercussions. I put this down to the writers' inconsistency.



Now, in "Hex", we're shown Clark's interaction with Lois Lane through fresh eyes -- through Chloe's eyes. And we're shown that he looks at her all the time and he's snappy & zingy with her. He picks up every time she calls. They bicker and fight, but he loves it. He has a framed copy of something she gave him in his drawer. (And we all know how Clark loves his framed stuff when he's feeling something for a girl.) They banter and flirt & he doesn't like it when she goes out with a guy.

BUT... he's not going to do anything about it. When Chloe brings it up, he deflects because he can't talk about it with her. This is note-worthy, given that Chloe got the blow-by-blow on every single detail of the Clana ship. Yet, when it comes to Lois, he is tight-lipped and can't talk about it. Why? Because he doesn't want to go there with Lois and vocalizing his feelings will force him to acknowledge that he's falling for her.

I think that this all actually does fit into the AoS pretty well. I think that if Clark was asking Lois out or giving long monologues on how much he loves her, then it would be inconsistent. But the fear and hesitation he has to pursue anything with her? That makes given what just went down with Lana.I get what you're saying, and I agree with some of your points. The problem I have is that, we as an audience have to do an awful amount of interpretation with regards to Clark and his feelings for Lois, especially when trying to rationalise it after the AoS. I put this down to either a) Clark's character weaknesses and inconsistency or b) the writers' weaknesses and inconsistency. And we never had to do this with his feelings for Lana. The guy walked over hot coals (kryptonite) to kiss her. He can't even walk across the street to say "I'm sorry I'm not ready for a relationship, Lois."

Until there is an improvement in the writing and Clark's character, I find the Clark part of the Clois hard to believe on this show. And if this does happen, I look forward to the day when I can. :\

[myankskent]

Now... in the present... his feelings for Lois are something he can't control, but he's trying. Can't I, at least, give him credit for that? While it's obvious that he's got an attraction to Lois that is getting harder and harder for him to hide, he's not acting on it because he knows that this thing just ended with Lana & his life is complicated.

I watched this episode again and to be honest, I don't really get the impression that Clark is not acting on his feelings because of Lana. I think that he isn't acting on his feelings because he's right back in the same place he was at the start of the series, which is, having feelings for someone while knowing that he can't share his secret with them. I think that's the issue for me with the way they are writing these latest episodes. The final scene in "Hex" gave me the impression that Clark is jealous of Lois going out on a date with another guy but he's not willing to share his feelings with Lois because the secret has become a big deal again.

[eas]

Just because Clark chose Lana over Lois now, it doesn't mean he would in the future as well. And of course he chose Lana. Of course he did. Did anyone expect him not to? I was hoping he won't sure... but I knew he would. This here's the girl he's been "in love" with for years and years and years. His feelings for her were way stronger than his feelings for Lois, and that's fine. Feelings can change. His feelings for Lois will become a thousand times stronger than any of his childish feelings for Lana, and that's what counts. Just because he didn't realize who the love of his life would be at 22 doesn't make him a bad guy, it makes him a normal guy, confused and maybe a bit blinded by his feelings.

I think, for me, the key is that they're not jumping straight to that point already. The part that I bolded of your post, I mean.

If "Infamous" and "Hex" had shown a Clark Kent who already looked at Lois like he was in love with her 1000 more than he'd ever felt for Lana, then I'd have problems with it.

But, actually, it showed a Clark Kent who is stubbornly in denial about any feelings he has for Lois and is, in fact, actively avoiding pursuing her.

That works for me.

Let's, in fact, keep it that way and not even have Clark realize he loves her until next season. I hope there are no Clois kisses in S8 & that Clark continues on this path of self-delusion.

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I watched this episode again and to be honest, I don't really get the impression that Clark is not acting on his feelings because of Lana. I think that he isn't acting on his feelings because he's right back in the same place he was at the start of the series, which is, having feelings for someone while knowing that he can't share his secret with them. I think that's the issue for me with the way they are writing these latest episodes. The final scene in "Hex" gave me the impression that Clark is jealous of Lois going out on a date with another guy but he's not willing to share his feelings with Lois because the secret has become a big deal again.

I think it would be OOC for Clark to jump to telling Lois how he feels (because, like I said, he can't even admit it to himself, let alone HER) and it would be highly OOC for him to tell Lois who he is, given that that he's gone on record to mind-wipe Chloe and tell Lana that he'd mind-wipe her in a hearbeat.

Those two women are already causing him heart palpitations because they know his secret and he wants to add Lois into the mix? I can't imagine that Clark can so readily make that leap.

Also, that scene came on the heels of Clark having a conversation with Chloe where she prodded him and suggested that he's not opening up to Lois because of his fear of getting hurt (like he did with Lana) and he remains mute. She mentions a second chance and he tosses it back at her. When she counters that she means both of them, he grins and says, "Cheers to that."

I think that Lana is not the ONLY reason why he won't go after Lois, but she's definitely ONE of the reasons.

[myankskent]

Those two women are already causing him heart palpitations because they know his secret and he wants to add Lois into the mix? I can't imagine that Clark can so readily make that leap.


I agree and disagree with this. While I can understand Clark not wanting to tell Lois his secret because all of these other problems, IMO, Clark working very closely with Lois and also having a friendship with her puts Lois in a lot of danger already, since Clark does not have a dual identity. If he was Superman and Clark Kent with glasses, obviously Lois would be out of harm's way but IMO, she's in the fire now whether she knows about Clark or not.

[workshyslacker]

I don't get it... why does what happened in the Lana arc matter so much? It's not like Clark jumped Lois the second she was back.

Would I have liked Clana to end like a normal relationship? Totally. Did it happen? Nope. I think that in light of this, they're developing Clois pretty well. Just because Clana were split up by outside forces, why does that have to taint Clois in any way?


Waffles, it does matter for some. It derailed the build-up of Clois so much that there was outrage on these boards after the AoS. I get that Clark didn't jump Lois when she got back, and I'm grateful for that. What I'm trying to explain is why I can't believe in Clois as much as I want to or did before this arc. I'm not saying Clois is "tainted". There is still potential if the writers handle this in a slow, mature fashion with less ambiguous looks or actions from Clark which requires a lot less interpretation from the audience.



If Clana had not been split by Lex, then perhaps they would have been together forever. Or perhaps Clark would've realized the relationship is disfunctional at best, and gotten out, we don't know, and frankly, I don't care. It's over, that's what matters to me. People are split up from loved ones in real life often (sad but true). Does that mean that they can never be trully happy again, or that the love they find afterwords is less special? Frell no!
Yes, I agree, having a nasty breakup does not exclude a later, more loving relationship. However, if two people's feelings are not on the same footing; Lois already realises how much she cares for him and that this is "different", my argument is; is it worth even starting? Clark's feelings are nowhere near as strong as Lois' and until they start to show his feelings are deepening, I'm not sold on Clois as a romantic couple on this show.



Just because Clark chose Lana over Lois now, it doesn't mean he would in the future as well. And of course he chose Lana. Of course he did. Did anyone expect him not to? I was hoping he won't sure... but I knew he would. This here's the girl he's been "in love" with for years and years and years. His feelings for her were way stronger than his feelings for Lois, and that's fine. Feelings can change. His feelings for Lois will become a thousand times stronger than any of his childish feelings for Lana, and that's what counts. Just because he didn't realize who the love of his life would be at 22 doesn't make him a bad guy, it makes him a normal guy, confused and maybe a bit blinded by his feelings.

I'm not saying he is a bad guy, and I apologise if you think that's what I meant. Frustrating? Yes. Furious? Yes. Disappointed? Yes, yes and yes. Hoping he can change? Hell, yes!

[eas]

I agree the first choice would be unbearable for some of the viewers. The second one is what they're trying to do. However, this shoud have come at the beginning of the season and not ill-placed in the middle after they built up the Clois. I agree KK's departure and return was not helpful, but in that case they should have planned her arc so it did not require damage control in the latter half of the season.

ITA. The AoS should have happened in the first 5 episodes - not smack-dab in the middle. It still would have sucked, but - at least - it would have made SENSE.

But the fact is that they chose not to do that way. For whatever reason. So, now, we can only look ahead and try to see how Clark is acting post-AoS. And the way Clark is acting seems, for the most part, consistent to me.


And I'm grateful he didn't turn back time for her again. One could argue that he was not sure if he could stop the chain of events between Lex, Lana and him, or that Jor-el's earlier lesson about time-travel eventually stuck. But looking at it that way doesn't explain why he still went ahead and did it. How would he know that he could not prevent the events from leading to the same conclusion again, or that as his actions could have repercussions. I put this down to the writers' inconsistency.

At this point, one can argue anything. But I can only go based on what I see onscreen. What I see is a Clark Kent who is making decisions that have nothing to do with Lana Lang. And when confronted with mention of her name or a comment about her, he remains unmoved.

So, either he is over her (which I don't think he is) or he is grieving in his own way. Part of that grieving process, I think, is to not act on any sorts of feelings he has for Lois Lane.


I get what you're saying, and I agree with some of your points. The problem I have is that, we as an audience have to do an awful amount of interpretation with regards to Clark and his feelings for Lois, especially when trying to rationalise it after the AoS. I put this down to either a) Clark's character weaknesses and inconsistency or b) the writers' weaknesses and inconsistency. And we never had to do this with his feelings for Lana. The guy walked over hot coals (kryptonite) to kiss her. He can't even walk across the street to say "I'm sorry I'm not ready for a relationship, Lois."

I think that we have always had to a huge amount of interpretation when it comes to Clark's character, because the guy barely talks. And when he does talk, he's usually contradicting himself.

This is a tangent, but I realized why I have a tendency to enjoy Ollie more than Clark. Because the guy is always talking. You don't have to guess what Ollie is thinking. He's telling you. For example, when he broke into the warehouse and gassed the security guards, Ollie says aloud, "Sorry guys. I'll make sure you get a hefty bonus this year." No one was around to hear him, but that simple line told the viewers that Ollie felt bad that he had to hurt innocent people and that, as the boss, he would make up for the GA's actions through his Oliver Queen power.

Had that been Clark, we would have gotten nothing. Clark never muses out loud. Clark never has one liners to empty rooms when he sees something. He's a silent guy who keeps everything bottles up inside. And while I agree that he walked over hot coals to kiss Lana good-bye, can you really say that - for the past 8 years - his feelings for Lana have always made sense? That we could always understand how he felt about her? I don't know about that.

As far as "Infamous" goes... he should have been open and honest with Lois. However, he's a coward when it comes to relationships. That's in-character. I don't like it, but that's how they've written SVClark.


Until there is an improvement in the writing and Clark's character, I find the Clark part of the Clois hard to believe on this show. And if this does happen, I look forward to the day when I can. :\

I'm not going disagree. Clark is still not exactly my favorite character. He hasn't been redeemed from the AoS. In fact, he did some stupid things in "Infamous", too, so I'm still quite irritated with him.

There's no denying that I think that Lois can do better. However, poor girl is stuck with him. Glad to see that she's moving on. If Clark mans up and decides to chase after her, I hope she makes it hard as hell for him.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Uh oh, Michelle. :(
I'm gonna have to disagree here. I think he's certainly falling in love w/ her little by little, more and more....but totally in love?---Eh.:\
The root word of totally is total, meaning entirety, and I just don't believe Clark is at that point....yet.;)


I knew I'd get flack for this one!!:lol: Maybe not totally, but I think he's definitely in love or right on the verge at this point!:)

[eas]

I agree and disagree with this. While I can understand Clark not wanting to tell Lois his secret because all of these other problems, IMO, Clark working very closely with Lois and also having a friendship with her puts Lois in a lot of danger already, since Clark does not have a dual identity. If he was Superman and Clark Kent with glasses, obviously Lois would be out of harm's way but IMO, she's in the fire now whether she knows about Clark or not.

I would agree with this if I had seen Lois constantly get into danger because of Clark's secret. Other than "Bloodline" I don't think we've seen this. (The events of "Infamous" were undone.)

Lois has a tendency to get herself into trouble in ways that has nothing to do with Clark's secret. She's not actively researching him (like Chloe did) and she's not constantly harrassing him to open up and tell her his life story (like Lana did). Most of the time, the woman is living her own life & it happens to overlap with his from time to time.

And the one time his secret had a direct impact on her, he questioned whether or not it was right to hide it from her. It actually caused him to pause and go, "Wait... is this working?"

I think that if Clark decides he's in love with her and starts chasing after her, he should tell her his secret at that point. Until then, I think he has a right to keep it to himself. He had that right with Chloe and Lana & so he certainly has that right with Lois.

[Alania]

I think that Clark is very much in denial about his feelings for Lois and he likes it that way. When Chloe prods him (as she's done much of S8) he completely ignores it or changes the subject because he can't handle having feelings for Lois.

This is the problem for me; this fighting temptations they got going is another mistake, because that's not the nature of Clark's feelings for Lois. He just represses his feelings, for fear of not being able to have a relationship with her, because of his "demanding life". Repress is different from denial. I am still a cloiser, i wanna believe, but the way they are handling i find disrespectful, cause they are builiding over Clana and not after clana. I would be fine if in Hex the only had the last scene, cause it was just re-establishing the friendship and not pushing any kind of feelings Clark might have for her, like the puppy eyes was, which for me, is just a "feeding ship" implausible action. . If he had any feelings, even if it's on an unconscious level, that should have be shown during her abscence, which wasn't.



I don't get it... why does what happened in the Lana arc matter so much? It's not like Clark jumped Lois the second she was back.

Continuity, that's something i like very much and this show is not having. Jumping or not, they are playing Clark all over Lois again as if nothing happened. Making me forget clana through delicate clois underestimate our power of criticism.




And, since then, we've seen that he's quite willing to let it go. In "Infamous" he chose not to go back in time to save Lana from putting on the power suit. In my own little world, I believe that he knew that it would be pointless because she'd do it, anyway.
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Honestly, i am a cloiser, with all my heart, but i didn't see in his actions from "Infamous" anything related to ship thing; his main purpouse was to stop Linda Lake and, in the process, he managed to pick Lois up on time, he fixed his actions for that day. And this "i left Lana behind, i don't care anymore" is weird, i still want answers on that. Above his ex, she's a human being loaded with kryptonyte. Anyway, i'll wait for the next episodes, but so far, Clark is changing feelings fast and, tbh honest, during the puppy eyes i was like: "get away from her"!

[workshyslacker]

So, yeah, I think he'd choose Lana, because she was easier & also because he probably feels guilty that she's walking K-nite & feels like he owes her a cure. I think a lot of Clark's relationship with Lana is fueled by guilt.


Sana, I think that we disagree on this point. I think he choose Lana not because he wanted an easier option, although it may have been his initial (subconscious) assessment, because after she became kryptonite, he still wanted her. He wanted her to stay and he still loved her. So, to me this was not an easier option.



Her having powers makes her more likely to live if people should target her. And this Clark takes the easy way out all the time.
I don't think that Clark's experience with meteor freaks would lead him to that conclusion as being water-tight. Chloe and Alicia spring to mind. Their powers are not guaranteed to give them some sort of protection. I agree, Lana's powers are different from them, but Lex still got past that.



And is there something wrong with him loving Lana more at that moment? I am not a Cloiser any longer, so I have no problem with acknowledging that the feelings he had for Lana - at that time - were stronger than the feelings that he had for Lois. And, on top of that, Lana offered him what he'd been dreaming of for years. And, in his own words, he questioned if one could love someone for years and then it could just disappear overnight. (Which meant that he questioned if he even loved Lana still.)
There is nothing wrong with loving Lana more at that moment, if TPTB don't hope to convince us that Clois is going to be credible in that aftermath, or if it had had come at the beginning of the season. My argument is they could have made it less so that fate forced them apart, and it was a decision that was mutually consensual.



I think that the AoS made one thing pretty clear -- Lana is a symbol of his past & Clark really has problems letting go of his past. From their talk in "Bulletproof" to the way it ended with the K-nite necklace. Even Lana's last convo with him referenced her dead parents.

It may not make Clark look good (and it really doesn't) but his love for Lana outweighed his new feelings for Lois because he'd been in love with Lana longer (for the majority of his life) and he was in the habit of being in love with her. She made sense to him, because she was the one that he's always thought of when he thinks of love.
Unfortunately its a symbol of the past whose presence is still being felt, which puts into doubt whether Clark can truly move on. That is a challenge for the writers that I'm not wholly sure they can meet.

[wafflles87]

Waffles, it does matter for some. It derailed the build-up of Clois so much that there was outrage on these boards after the AoS. I get that Clark didn't jump Lois when she got back, and I'm grateful for that. What I'm trying to explain is why I can't believe in Clois as much as I want to or did before this arc. I'm not saying Clois is "tainted". There is still potential if the writers handle this in a slow, mature fashion with less ambiguous looks or actions from Clark which requires a lot less interpretation from the audience.

Trust me, I know :lol:

I was probably at the head of one of them angry mobs after Requiem. I agree that the writers have to be a LOT more careful now than they did before the P/R arc. As for Clark's ambiguous actions... well, I expected something of the sort. It's still to soon (IMO) for him to openly express what he feels, but we get small glimpses of it.

And please, it's Cam or Cameron :)


Yes, I agree, having a nasty breakup does not exclude a later, more loving relationship. However, if two people's feelings are not on the same footing; Lois already realises how much she cares for him and that this is "different", my argument is; is it worth even starting? Clark's feelings are nowhere near as strong as Lois' and until they start to show his feelings are deepening, I'm not sold on Clois as a romantic couple on this show.

True. It's been obvious this season that Clark ain't even close to where Lois is. I guess being hung up on a woman for 16 years does that to you :lol:

At this point, I'm not sure if it's worth starting, since it would probably crash and burn, so I agree that they should wait and develop Clark's feelings more before jumping head on in a romantic relationship, however, I have nothing agains small teases here and there, like the "look" this here episode.




I'm not saying he is a bad guy, and I apologise if you think that's what I meant. Frustrating? Yes. Furious? Yes. Disappointed? Yes, yes and yes. Hoping he can change? Hell, yes!

I didn't get that idea from you or anyone, I was just stating it as what I think;)

At first, I was frustrated with Clark. I was furious. I wanted to bask his skull in and dance on his corpse (too much?). But after the initial anger and shock passed, I started thinking, and I realized that while he might not have handled Lana's return in the optimal way (which would've been to sit down and TALK instead of going to her with the intention of sucking face), he handled it like 90% of the guys in his situation would. He acted with his heart and not his head, and as much as I would love too, I can't blame him for that. It would be like "Kettle, meet Pot. Pot, this here's Kettle"

[SupermanRox]

I'm gonna have to disagree here. I think he's certainly falling in love w/ her little by little, more and more....but totally in love?---Eh.:\
The root word of totally is total, meaning entirety, and I just don't believe Clark is at that point....yet.;)

ITA....I think that Clark is falling in love with Lois.

[wafflles87]

And is there something wrong with him loving Lana more at that moment? I am not a Cloiser any longer, so I have no problem with acknowledging that the feelings he had for Lana - at that time - were stronger than the feelings that he had for Lois. And, on top of that, Lana offered him what he'd been dreaming of for years. And, in his own words, he questioned if one could love someone for years and then it could just disappear overnight. (Which meant that he questioned if he even loved Lana still.)


Heck, you don't have to NOT be a Cloiser for that.

I'm a die hard Cloiser, and I admit that as well. Clark's feelings for Lana are way way WAY stronger than his feelings for Lois on Smallville, and they (TPTB) have to work rather hard to show me that this will change.

[Alania]

I watched this episode again and to be honest, I don't really get the impression that Clark is not acting on his feelings because of Lana. I think that he isn't acting on his feelings because he's right back in the same place he was at the start of the series, which is, having feelings for someone while knowing that he can't share his secret with them. I think that's the issue for me with the way they are writing these latest episodes. The final scene in "Hex" gave me the impression that Clark is jealous of Lois going out on a date with another guy but he's not willing to share his feelings with Lois because the secret has become a big deal again.

I second and third that!

[supes0]

There's no denying that I think that Lois can do better. However, poor girl is stuck with him. Glad to see that she's moving on. If Clark mans up and decides to chase after her, I hope she makes it hard as hell for him.

I agree. She has no choice but to end up with him because of the larger mythos.

I read eas's post not as a way to rationalize the AoS but as a blueprint going forward on how tptb could salvage the situation.

Nothing can change what happened, there were a thousand better ways for closure, but instead we got P/R.

I think it would be the height of delusion to think Clark didn't love Lana. However, he was also having feelings for Lois which he pushed back down the minute Lana returned. The feelings re-surfaced the minute she got back. Lois has always rattled him, he's never known how to deal with the emotions she pulls from him.

So now what? We are here now. How are they going to convince us Lois is Clark's soulmate as clunky anvils after anvils have told us, without making it look lightswitched?

Hex (as eas's eloquently analyzed) was the first time since the debacle I began to see a method to the madness. IF (and this is a big if) they follow the path eas described, Clark's regression can be at the very least, understood, if not forgiven.

I've been speculating for awhile, Clark is not going to open his eyes completely until Lois is distracted by the rbb. Not out of petty jealousy, but because this answers deep seated fears he's always carried. Nobody other than the Kents have ever offered him the unconditional love knowing right away he was not human. Everybody else learned the truth after knowing him for a long time. It's very different to accept somebody you already love than to trust somebody you meet as a stranger, knowing they could incinerate you where you stand.

I'm hoping we see Lois as the RBB's champion. And they explore how not everybody will be happy knowing non humans wander amongst us, and try to whip up fear aka Linda Lake.

It's a fine line the writers are going to have to walk in order to convince viewers Clark loves Lois in a way he's never loved anybody before or since. I don't want to only hear the words, I want to see his progression from the AoS forward.

Hex gave me hope tptb have thought about how to do this. Now, if only BQM writes all the episodes in season 9, I'd actually have some faith!

[wafflles87]

I'm not rationalizing his feelings. I think he was being an idiot. Not necessarily for choosing Lana over Lois, but because he was blind to Lana's faults. I don't think he should have dumped Lana for Lois. I think he should have dumped Lana because she's a few fries short of a happy meal.

That there was the problem with that ship. It was so... so... unhealthy, so disfunctional. It was built on false images and lies, and if the foundation is bad... you can build the coolest thing ever on it.. it'll still collapse.

[Alania]

Uh oh, Michelle. :(
I'm gonna have to disagree here. I think he's certainly falling in love w/ her little by little, more and more....but totally in love?---Eh.:\
The root word of totally is total, meaning entirety, and I just don't believe Clark is at that point....yet.;)

Not even falling in love i see! This Clark for me is the same from the first half of season 8, starting to realize something more than friendship all over again. All we know is that this time the feelings stick and won't be volatile anymore! Baby blues is still on probation;)

[workshyslacker]

Guys, guys, stop! Everyone's posting so fast I can't read let alone address all of you! This is what I get into when I try to reply to Sana's posts!:D



Continuity, that's something i like very much and this show is not having. Jumping or not, they are playing Clark all over Lois again as if nothing happened. Making me forget clana through delicate clois underestimate our power of criticism.

Honestly, i am a cloiser, with all my heart, but i didn't see in his actions from "Infamous" anything related to ship thing; his main purpouse was to stop Linda Lake and, in the process, he managed to pick Lois up on time, he fixed his actions for that day. And this "i left Lana behind, i don't care anymore" is weird, i still want answers on that. Above his ex, she's a human being loaded with kryptonyte. Anyway, i'll wait for the next episodes, but so far, Clark is changing feelings fast and, tbh honest, during the puppy eyes i was like: "get away from her"!

ITA. I feel like a boomerang and I'm completely dizzy. When I want to be lead up the garden path, I want to stay there, and not be dragged back to Clana. :p


Uh oh, Michelle. :(
I'm gonna have to disagree here. I think he's certainly falling in love w/ her little by little, more and more....but totally in love?---Eh.:\
The root word of totally is total, meaning entirety, and I just don't believe Clark is at that point....yet.;)

Yes totally, unconditionally, undeniably. Isn't that what we all want for our favourite couple?:D

[Mickey_Bickey]

Not even falling in love i see! This Clark for me is the same from the first half of season 8, starting to realize something more than friendship all over again. All we know is that this time the feelings stick and won't be volatile anymore! Baby blues is still on probation;)

No, Alania! Clark is falling, and what we saw at the end of Hex was his realization of that!! Trust me, in Stiletto you're going to start seeing him become more and more smitten with her.

As far as Lana's concerned, it won't be a contest. Superman's feelings for Lana were always guilt ridden, because he didn't want to hurt her, but he always loved Lois Lane like no other. It's going to be same here!;) Lana and Clark would have broken up regardless of the suit. It's just not meant to be, and no matter how many times you slice it or how many times they've been together and broken up on this show it was never the end game.

[eas]

Waffles, it does matter for some. It derailed the build-up of Clois so much that there was outrage on these boards after the AoS. I get that Clark didn't jump Lois when she got back, and I'm grateful for that. What I'm trying to explain is why I can't believe in Clois as much as I want to or did before this arc. I'm not saying Clois is "tainted". There is still potential if the writers handle this in a slow, mature fashion with less ambiguous looks or actions from Clark which requires a lot less interpretation from the audience.

But don't you feel like if he said or did more than what he's doing now that it would have the opposite affect? That it would be considered a lightswitch?

I mean, even now, the little that Clark has done in "Infamous" and "Hex" has some folks crying "lightswitch".

I think where you and I disagree is that I think that this method is the "slow" fashion. Is it "mature"? I don't think that any relationship on this show is mature. Except, maybe, early Lollie. But even that was ruined in the end.

They're handling it in as mature of a fashion as any, I guess. There is UST simmering between Lois and Clark. Lois confronted Clark about what happened in "Bride" and he went to see her, but chickened out at the end. He continues to have a crush on her, though. Lois calls him on it in "Hex" -- basically saying that she opened the door and he closed it, so he can't go back and play with her mind now. He agrees vocally, but his expression tells us that he's surprised by her words and not happy about them.

And that's it. And what happens next is yet to be seen. It seems that Clark's focus is going to be Doomsday for the upcoming episodes. As it rightfully should be -- Lois is not the priority on his list and that seems mature, to me. It's a hell of a lot better than how it used to be with Lana. Clark is finally learning that love doesn't mean that you basically forget about everything else.


Yes, I agree, having a nasty breakup does not exclude a later, more loving relationship. However, if two people's feelings are not on the same footing; Lois already realises how much she cares for him and that this is "different", my argument is; is it worth even starting? Clark's feelings are nowhere near as strong as Lois' and until they start to show his feelings are deepening, I'm not sold on Clois as a romantic couple on this show.

At this point, I don't think you're supposed to be. Because they're not a romantic couple on this show. Clark is single. Lois is single. They are two people who are mutally attracted to each other. One is moving on and the other is just starting.

We all know that, at the end, these two are meant to end up together and I think that really makes our expectations sky-rocket. It does in my case. I get quite frustrated when Clark acts a little too slow in accepting how awesome Lois is or Lois gets a little too disrespectful Clark.

But if I remove my expectations from the equation and just look at it like any other TV show, where the main love story ended and now a new one is beginning, I feel like they are at the right place right now. Lois has regained her sense of dignity and Clark's hidden feelings are becoming more and more obvious.

[supes0]

I think that if Clark decides he's in love with her and starts chasing after her, he should tell her his secret at that point. Until then, I think he has a right to keep it to himself. He had that right with Chloe and Lana & so he certainly has that right with Lois.

Right. I don't think he is in love Lois by any stretch of the imagination. I don't want him to be in love with her either. It makes no sense and ignores what happened with Lana. The only way to deal with what happened is for tptb to show how he evolves from that point so the viewers aren't left with the impression Lois is the consolation prize.

He's drawn to Lois, he was before the AoS and continues to be so. I'm glad he is conflicted. I don't think his secret is the only thing stopping him, he's using that as an excuse as Chloe said both in Infamous and in Hex. The final toast between the two of them in Hex showed both of them are going to make an effort to stop living in the past.

I loved Chloe's speech to Clark, she was spot on. If you spend your life lamenting on what could have been you can not move forward, and who knows what fantastic things the future can hold?

Both Chloe and Clark are at crossroads in their lives, what they thought they wanted all their lives didn't pan out, now they're finding it might not be the end of the world after all, and perhaps their greatest days may still lie ahead.

I have a lot of issues with Smallville, but Hex showed me the show has the capability of growing the characters in a believable way.

[Bizarrolover]

I don't know if he's in love yet, but the man misses her insults, that has to mean something!

[wafflles87]

No, Alania! Clark is falling, and what we saw at the end of Hex was his realization of that!! Trust me, in Stiletto you're going to start seeing him become more and more smitten with her.

His feelings are getting deeper, yes. But I don't know if they reached "love" yet. I think that will take some time.


As far as Lana's concerned, it won't be a contest. Superman's feelings for Lana were always guilt ridden, because he didn't want to hurt her, but he always loved Lois Lane like no other. It's going to be same here!;) Lana and Clark would have broken up regardless of the suit. It's just not meant to be, and no matter how many times you slice it or how many times they've been together and broken up on this show it was never the end game.

Refering to the bold part: See, I'm not 100% certain about that. Taking the mythos out of the equasion here, I don't know if Clark would have ever looked past this seemingly perfect life he had. I want to think he would, but... I'm not sure.

I'm also not sure that if Lana hadn't gotten her ass iradiated Clark would have eventually ended up with Lois, and that's fine. I don't buy the whole "Meant to be together" idea, that if the unoverse ended, they still would have ended up together. I don't buy destiny. When Clark and Lois do get together, I want to SEE the reasons. I want to see that they love eachother, I want to see that given a choice, they would chose eachother, and I want to say to myself "Yep. That there made sense."

[workshyslacker]

Trust me, I know :lol:

I was probably at the head of one of them angry mobs after Requiem. I agree that the writers have to be a LOT more careful now than they did before the P/R arc. As for Clark's ambiguous actions... well, I expected something of the sort. It's still to soon (IMO) for him to openly express what he feels, but we get small glimpses of it.

And please, it's Cam or Cameron :)


No probs. :D



True. It's been obvious this season that Clark ain't even close to where Lois is. I guess being hung up on a woman for 16 years does that to you :lol:

At this point, I'm not sure if it's worth starting, since it would probably crash and burn, so I agree that they should wait and develop Clark's feelings more before jumping head on in a romantic relationship, however, I have nothing agains small teases here and there, like the "look" this here episode.


And I have nothing against these looks and teases, as long as all these are from Clark, not Lois, he backs it up with ACTION much much later on. ;)



I didn't get that idea from you or anyone, I was just stating it as what I think;)


I don't like to offend anyone, so I was probably jumping the gun.:p



At first, I was frustrated with Clark. I was furious. I wanted to bask his skull in and dance on his corpse (too much?). But after the initial anger and shock passed, I started thinking, and I realized that while he might not have handled Lana's return in the optimal way (which would've been to sit down and TALK instead of going to her with the intention of sucking face), he handled it like 90% of the guys in his situation would. He acted with his heart and not his head, and as much as I would love too, I can't blame him for that. It would be like "Kettle, meet Pot. Pot, this here's Kettle"

I guess I am too hard on Clark, but that is because this show has the Superman brand all over it. I agree it has developed its own continuity and interpretation but the tenet of the Lois and Clark relationship is iconic in current DC continuity. IMO when they start to chip away at its foundations, I get pretty mad. :D If this was a soap opera with a super-powered boy and different names, I wouldn't bat an eyelid. I would probably switch off.:p

[Alania]

No, Alania! Clark is falling, and what we saw at the end of Hex was his realization of that!! Trust me, in Stiletto you're going to start seeing him become more and more smitten with her.

As far as Lana's concerned, it won't be a contest. Superman's feelings for Lana were always guilt ridden, because he didn't want to hurt her, but he always loved Lois Lane like no other. It's going to be same here!;) Lana and Clark would have broken up regardless of the suit. It's just not meant to be, and no matter how many times you slice it or how many times they've been together and broken up on this show it was never the end game.

You know, Michele, i'll be honest with you: i was optimistic after Requiem, cause i agree with you: with or without suit they would have broken up, because the relationshisp is suffocating and unhealthy. I saw in the suit thing the same value as the dalai lama picture: a methapor to show the core of your message. Lana becoming Clark's weakness was the metaphor to show she's not right for him, she's the bike! But then came Infamous, with Lois melting again, Lois in his arms, Lois not being mentioned at all in Turbluence and now Hex, with puppy eyes. Where am i? Kafka story??! Those feeding ships actions were what disappointed me. But, like i told u, maby next episode will get Clark out of probation;). If he verbalizes something, cause i'm with Melissa on that, more words!!! The standing up scene was defined by Lois and that doesn't fly; Clark needs to speak up!!:p

[supes0]

We all know that, at the end, these two are meant to end up together and I think that really makes our expectations sky-rocket. It does in my case. I get quite frustrated when Clark acts a little too slow in accepting how awesome Lois is or Lois gets a little too disrespectful Clark.

But if I remove my expectations from the equation and just look at it like any other TV show, where the main love story ended and now a new one is beginning, I feel like they are at the right place right now. Lois has regained her sense of dignity and Clark's hidden feelings are becoming more and more obvious.

Word.

[Alania]

Waffles, it does matter for some. It derailed the build-up of Clois so much that there was outrage on these boards after the AoS. I get that Clark didn't jump Lois when she got back, and I'm grateful for that. What I'm trying to explain is why I can't believe in Clois as much as I want to or did before this arc. I'm not saying Clois is "tainted". There is still potential if the writers handle this in a slow, mature fashion with less ambiguous looks or actions from Clark which requires a lot less interpretation from the audience.

Yes, I agree, having a nasty breakup does not exclude a later, more loving relationship. However, if two people's feelings are not on the same footing; Lois already realises how much she cares for him and that this is "different", my argument is; is it worth even starting? Clark's feelings are nowhere near as strong as Lois' and until they start to show his feelings are deepening, I'm not sold on Clois as a romantic couple on this show.

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Word, ITA, second all that!

[Mickey_Bickey]

His feelings are getting deeper, yes. But I don't know if they reached "love" yet. I think that will take some time.

Personally, I think Clark has been falling for Lois all along, but he's never acknowledged it. There are too many examples to list in this thread, but this episode cemented that there's more than just attraction at this point for her.


Refering to the bold part: See, I'm not 100% certain about that. Taking the mythos out of the equasion here, I don't know if Clark would have ever looked past this seemingly perfect life he had. I want to think he would, but... I'm not sure.

I'm also not sure that if Lana hadn't gotten her ass iradiated Clark would have eventually ended up with Lois, and that's fine. I don't buy the whole "Meant to be together" idea, that if the unoverse ended, they still would have ended up together. I don't buy destiny. When Clark and Lois do get together, I want to SEE the reasons. I want to see that they love eachother, I want to see that given a choice, they would chose eachother, and I want to say to myself "Yep. That there made sense."

Going back to even S2 Clark was having doubts about Lana. He never told her his secret. She found out about it. How many times did they get together then break up and especially on Lana's part be with and marry other people? It just was never a true love or good enough relationship to last. Pure and simple.

That realtionship was based on insecurities, mistrust, lies, deception and doubt. That's not something that can last. So, even without Lois Lane in the picture they were doomed.

Now, take Clark and Lois' relationship, and you have a relationship based on friendship, trust, loyalty, honesty, attraction, chemistry and yes love.

Clark told Lois his secret in both Crimson while on RedK and wanted her to be impressed with all that he could do, something he never did with Lana, and he again told Lois in Infamous. Again, he was excited to tell her. Although he mind wiped everyone, he was still happy with her acceptance and reaction about who he really is and where he's really from.

There was never enough love and passion between Clark and Lana to ever make me believe that they'd end up together. She was happier with Bizarro. Doesn't that tell you something?

Lois is different than Lana, and he said so himself in Rage to Oliver. Clark is going to know what a truly fullfilling relationship actually is, and that person who will make him happier than he's ever been is none other than Lois Lane. They're incredible together on screen, and that says it all. By far, they're the most interesting, entertaining, compelling combination this show has to offer. To me that's enough right there.

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You know, Michele, i'll be honest with you: i was optimistic after Requeim, cause i agree with you: with or without suit they would have broken up, because the relationshisp is suffocating and unhealthy. I saw in the suit thing the same value as the dalai lama picture: a methapor to show the core of your message. Lana becoming Clark's weakness was the metaphor to show she's not right for him, she's the bike! But then came Infamous, with Lois melting again, Lois in his arms, Lois not being mentioned at all in Turbluence and now Hex, with puppy eyes. Where am i? Kafka story??! Those feeding ships actions were what disappointed me. But, like i told u, maby next episode will get Clark out of probation;). If he verbalizes something, cause i'm with Melissa on that, more words!!! The standing up scene was defined by Lois and that doesn't fly; Clark needs to speak up!!:p


Oh, I love the bike reference, Alania!!:lol: So true! You said the same thing I was just saying to Cam about the relationship never being a healthy one! That's really the bottom line.

In Infamous, it was okay that Lois looked that way at Clark, because if you notice he was looking the same way at her after she said she better stop calling him Smallville. He also mentioned, "because you are special" basically letting her know that she is special to him. He was happy with her reaction to his news!

I loved Hex, because it does tie into Infamous and Bride. Clark does have strong feelings for her, and now, only now he's finally realizing how much!! I think at the end of Infamous he knew too, but he wasn't ready to confront his feelings yet. In Hex he has! That look at the end of this episode and that scene between them was one of the best I've ever seen on this series! Amazing!!

Like that video you once sent me, "It keeps getting better"!! Clark is going to realize as Jack has stated that Lois is a huge part of why he's happy working at the DP and becoming the RBB!!;)

[workshyslacker]

No, Alania! Clark is falling, and what we saw at the end of Hex was his realization of that!! Trust me, in Stiletto you're going to start seeing him become more and more smitten with her.

As far as Lana's concerned, it won't be a contest. Superman's feelings for Lana were always guilt ridden, because he didn't want to hurt her, but he always loved Lois Lane like no other. It's going to be same here!;) Lana and Clark would have broken up regardless of the suit. It's just not meant to be, and no matter how many times you slice it or how many times they've been together and broken up on this show it was never the end game.

I truly hope so Michele. I truly hope so. The same way I (stupidly) hoped before Bride, Infamous, and Hex. The problem is Superman did not have romantic feelings for Lana in post-crisis, current DC continuity, guilt-ridden, maybe, but not romantic. The way this show has changed so many things has lead me to doubt whether we will ever see full-blown Clois on this show (in this distant future), even if it is end-game.


But don't you feel like if he said or did more than what he's doing now that it would have the opposite affect? That it would be considered a lightswitch?


The way I see it, that AoS demands that they take the Clois slow, if it has any chance to be credible. I'm good with that. However, I would prefer that the build-up is now firmly with Clark, and his shows of affection (if that's what they are) become, as time goes on, less and less ambiguous. In a way, one could argue that what's done is done, but I'm annoyed that they want us to get excited about every Clois bone they're throwing at us, so soon after this Lana arc.

Realistically, I wish they would concentrate on the Clois friendship, than the romance for this season, although my Clois heart may want something dramatic for the season finale if Clark is going to die.



I think where you and I disagree is that I think that this method is the "slow" fashion. Is it "mature"? I don't think that any relationship on this show is mature. Except, maybe, early Lollie. But even that was ruined in the end.
I loved Batman, I mean Ollie :p, and Lollie, but that's a different matter.



They're handling it in as mature of a fashion as any, I guess. There is UST simmering between Lois and Clark. Lois confronted Clark about what happened in "Bride" and he went to see her, but chickened out at the end. He continues to have a crush on her, though. Lois calls him on it in "Hex" -- basically saying that she opened the door and he closed it, so he can't go back and play with her mind now. He agrees vocally, but his expression tells us that he's surprised by her words and not happy about them.

And that's it. And what happens next is yet to be seen. It seems that Clark's focus is going to be Doomsday for the upcoming episodes. As it rightfully should be -- Lois is not the priority on his list and that seems mature, to me. It's a hell of a lot better than how it used to be with Lana. Clark is finally learning that love doesn't mean that you basically forget about everything else.
If they get Clark right this season, and show me that this is the boy who would be Superman, more than "the Emasculation of Clark Kent", I can forgive them to a certain degree.



At this point, I don't think you're supposed to be. Because they're not a romantic couple on this show. Clark is single. Lois is single. They are two people who are mutally attracted to each other. One is moving on and the other is just starting.

We all know that, at the end, these two are meant to end up together and I think that really makes our expectations sky-rocket. It does in my case. I get quite frustrated when Clark acts a little too slow in accepting how awesome Lois is or Lois gets a little too disrespectful Clark.

But if I remove my expectations from the equation and just look at it like any other TV show, where the main love story ended and now a new one is beginning, I feel like they are at the right place right now. Lois has regained her sense of dignity and Clark's hidden feelings are becoming more and more obvious.That's what I want. And I'm glad for BQM. I don't want Lois to feel sad, I want her to stop wearing her heart on her sleeve, I want her to try and move on, so that Clark knows he will have to try very, very hard to get past her walls. And I agree that they're not a romantic couple, but TPTB are trying to get us excited about Clois as a romantic couple with all the bones they throw out, and I'm not going to fall for that easily again.

[myankskent]

I guess I am too hard on Clark, but that is because this show has the Superman brand all over it.


Well, here's my issue with Clark. IMO, he shouldn't be giving Lois any looks at this point and he certainly has no right to be jealous that Lois is going out on a date. I say this because just three episodes ago, he was down on his knees telling Lana that he loved her. Clark needs a cooling off period and I don't think that TPTB are going to give that to him, outside of the episodes that Lois does not appear in. For me, it's not about Clark kissing Lois too soon or being in a relationship with Lois too soon, it's about taking a period of time where he is not dealing with feelings that he has for any girl. With the way TPTB have written this show, they went from Clark telling Lana that he loved her one episode to suddenly being conflicted about his feelings for Lois after Lana left the next episode. It makes Clark look fickle. The bottom line is that TPTB should've reset the entire Clois relationship after the Clana arc and they have not done that. Clark's feelings for Lois, that he had even before Lana came back, IMO, are starting to show and that makes his actions during the Clana arc look that much worse. If TPTB reset the relationship and stopped with all of the romantic hints until something else was built up next season, the Clois relationship might look a little bit better from Clark's standpoint.

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But don't you feel like if he said or did more than what he's doing now that it would have the opposite affect? That it would be considered a lightswitch?

I mean, even now, the little that Clark has done in "Infamous" and "Hex" has some folks crying "lightswitch".


I wouldn't say "lightswitch" because I do believe that Clark had feelings for Lois before Lana came back, but given the choices that Clark made during the Clana arc, it is in poor taste to have Clark simply revert back to the feelings that he has for Lois prior to the Clana arc as soon as Lana is gone and as soon as Lois returns. In other words, I would prefer to see the first half of season 8 totally wiped away rather than a return to that. Then in season 9, we could start fresh with Clois. That would've been the best case scenario for me given the horrible Clana arc.

[melissan02]

If he verbalizes something, cause i'm with Melissa on that, more words!!! The standing up scene was defined by Lois and that doesn't fly; Clark needs to speak up!!:pFWIW, I don't expect or necessarily want Clark to veralize anything right now, as it would seem too soon. My fear is that Clark will never verbalize anything in regards to Lana and that's unacceptable...at least for me. And no, I don't mean that I want to see a mopey, whiny Clark talking about Lana and how things ended. But there's a cloud still hanging over us here folks, and until the writers address this, it will continue to hang.
I'm in the minority here on my views of how I want things to go w/ Clois, and that's fine by me...I don't want to continue to hash this out w/ friends to the point it divides. I mean, hey, it's a t.v. show!:lol:
Some folks are fine w/ sweeping the recent Lana/Clana arc under the rug, swayed by the warm and fuzzies of Clark's puppy dog eyes to Lois, but I drive a harder bargain. ;) That's just how I roll.;)

[Alania]

But don't you feel like if he said or did more than what he's doing now that it would have the opposite affect? That it would be considered a lightswitch?

I mean, even now, the little that Clark has done in "Infamous" and "Hex" has some folks crying "lightswitch".

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Guess this dagger is for me. Well, like Michele said, Hex and Infamous tie with Bride, true, but ignores 11-14 episodes. Lois is not the second girlfriend, she's the ultimate love, his feelings for her should not be that fragile. I still want answers on Lana, cause if that's gonna be swept under the rug like it was in the first half of the season, than it will talke me more time to believe in Clark. There was no need for lovingly look in Hex. I liked Infamous a lot cause it showed a confused Clark, still not sure of his feelings, that wasn't lightswitch at all. Then Turbulence didn't mention Lois and now, there's a lovingly look. This looks is what i found out of place and it did look like switching back to Lois too fast. Had they kept just the ending scene, i would be perfectly ok, cause Clark was just caught on some jealousy and tenderness with the "framed rules", but nothing pushing his feelings. Looking lovely is sort of pushing, since Infamous showed the right Clark: one confused and trying to get over his bad breakup and sparing Lois from all that. Sorry if a cloiser is feeling this way,:o, but maybe during the season i'll change my mind. :)

[workshyslacker]

Michele, I've always enjoyed your posts so I hope you don't take this the wrong way when I disagree with you on several points.



Going back to even S2 Clark was having doubts about Lana. He never told her his secret. She found out about it. How many times did they get together then break up and especially on Lana's part be with and marry other people? It just was never a true love or good enough relationship to last. Pure and simple.


ITA agree with you on this. Their relationship was so dysfunctional most people would have called it a day. That's my problem with the handling of Clana. It became less enjoyable when the angst set in; around season 2 in my book.



That realtionship was based on insecurities, mistrust, lies, deception and doubt. That's not something that can last. So, even without Lois Lane in the picture they were doomed.
I agree, it's a pity Clark never took it that way, and Lana had to leave him, again(!)



Now, take Clark and Lois' relationship, and you have a relationship based on friendship, trust, loyalty, honesty, attraction, chemistry and yes love.

Clark told Lois his secret in both Crimson while on RedK and wanted her to be impressed with all that he could do, something he never did with Lana, and he again told Lois in Infamous. Again, he was excited to tell her. Although he mind wiped everyone, he was still happy with her acceptance and reaction about who he really is and where he's really from.
I had too many problems with RedK Clark on this. He was aggressive and nasty. And I can't hold his actions as any proof of feelings beyond attraction. In the end, he still chose Lana.


[n Infamous, it was okay that Lois looked that way at Clark, because if you notice he was looking the same way at her after she said she better stop calling him Smallville. He also mentioned, "because you are special" basically letting her know that she is special to him. He was happy with her reaction to his news!
I didn't like the "you are special." Special in what way, Clark? Special in that you don't love me enough to tell me your secret when you turn back time? Or "special" in that you're letting me down gently because you don't feel that way? After Lois' eloquent speech, I was disappointed that this was all Clark had to say.


Well, here's my issue with Clark. IMO, he shouldn't be giving Lois any looks at this point and he certainly has no right to be jealous that Lois is going out on a date. I say this because just three episodes ago, he was down on his knees telling Lana that he loved her. Clark needs a cooling off period and I don't think that TPTB are going to give that to him, outside of the episodes that Lois does not appear in. For me, it's not about Clark kissing Lois too soon or being in a relationship with Lois too soon, it's about taking a period of time where he is not dealing with feelings that he has for any girl. With the way TPTB have written this show, they went from Clark telling Lana that he loved her one episode to suddenly being conflicted about his feelings for Lois after Lana left the next episode. It makes Clark look fickle. The bottom line is that TPTB should've reset the entire Clois relationship after the Clana arc and they have not done that. Clark's feelings for Lois, that he had even before Lana came back, IMO, are starting to show and that makes his actions during the Clana arc look that much worse. If TPTB reset the relationship and stopped with all of the romantic hints until something else was built up next season, the Clois relationship might look a little bit better from Clark's standpoint.

I wouldn't say "lightswitch" because I do believe that Clark had feelings for Lois before Lana came back, but given the choices that Clark made during the Clana arc, it is in poor taste to have Clark simply revert back to the feelings that he has for Lois prior to the Clana arc as soon as Lana is gone and as soon as Lois returns. In other words, I would prefer to see the first half of season 8 totally wiped away rather than a return to that. Then in season 9, we could start fresh with Clois. That would've been the best case scenario for me given the horrible Clana arc.

ITA, Matt. On all counts.

[myankskent]

Realistically, I wish they would concentrate on the Clois friendship, than the romance for this season, although my Clois heart may want something dramatic for the season finale if Clark is going to die.


For me, I would prefer not to see anything big happen in the finale between Clois unless it's actually going to lead to something at the start of the next season. If TPTB are going to throw an amazing moment at us and then find some BS way around it at the start of next season, then that just makes this another Clois bone thrown to the audience and it really makes it no different than the "Vessel" kiss with Chlark at the end of season 5. IMO, if Clois is the plan until the end of the series, then there should be no more going forward and going back with this relationship. That just gets annoying after a while. It should be a slow and steady progression with their relationship.

[workshyslacker]

FWIW, I don't expect or necessarily want Clark to veralize anything right now, as it would seem too soon. My fear is that Clark will never verbalize anything in regards to Lana and that's unacceptable...at least for me. And no, I don't mean that I want to see a mopey, whiny Clark talking about Lana and how things ended. But there's a cloud still hanging over us here folks, and until the writers address this, it will continue to hang.
I'm in the minority here on my views of how I want things to go w/ Clois, and that's fine by me...I don't want to continue to hash this out w/ friends to the point it divides. I mean, hey, it's a t.v. show!:lol:
Some folks are fine w/ sweeping the recent Lana/Clana arc under the rug, swayed by the warm and fuzzies of Clark's puppy dog eyes to Lois, but I drive a harder bargain. ;) That's just how I roll.;)


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Yes, I agree. Hopefully, we're all friends here. And though we differ on some issues. We all want good Clois in the end.;)


Guess this dagger is for me. Well, like Michele said, Hex and Infamous ties with Bride, true, but ignores 11-14 episodes. Lois is not the second girlfriend, she's the ultimate love, his feelings for her should not be that fragile. I still want answers on Lana, cause if that's gonna be swept under the rug like it was in the first half of the season, than it will talke me more time to believe in Clark. There was no need for lovingly look in Hex. I liked Infamous a lot cause it showed a confused Clark, still not sure of his feelings, that wasn't lightswitch at all. Then Turbulence didn't mention Lois and now, there's a lovingly look. This looks is what i found out of place and it did look like switching back to Lois too fast. Had they kept just the ending scene, i would be perfectly ok, cause Clark was just caught on some jealousy and tenderness with the "framed rules", but nothing pushing his feelings. Looking lovely is sort of pushing, since Infamous showed the right Clar"k: one confused and trying to get over his bad breakup and sparing Lois from all that. Sorry if a cloiser is feeling this way,:o, but maybe during the season i'll change my mind. :)

I completely agree. And I'm realistic to know that this may never happen. But that's the way I roll.;)


For me, I would prefer not to see anything big happen in the finale between Clois unless it's actually going to lead to something at the start of the next season. If TPTB are going to throw an amazing moment at us and then find some BS way around it at the start of next season, then that just makes this another Clois bone thrown to the audience and it really makes it no different than the "Vessel" kiss with Chlark at the end of season 5. IMO, if Clois is the plan until the end of the series, then there should be no more going forward and going back with this relationship. That just gets annoying after a while. It should be a slow and steady progression with their relationship.

You're right Matt, and when you're right.. you're absolutely right.:D

[myankskent]

ITA agree with you on this. Their relationship was so dysfunctional most people would have called it a day. That's my problem with the handling of Clana. It became less enjoyable when the angst set in; around season 2 in my book.


Right, and that's the issue that I have regarding the Clana ending. TPTB could've ended it in such a way where both Clark and Lana agreed that their relationship was too dysfunctional but instead, they ended it by saying that they can keep trying to be together through everything except a kryptonite infection.



I agree, it's a pity Clark never took it that way, and Lana had to leave him, again(!)


What's worse is that given Clark's actions at the end of "Requiem", Lana was right to leave him. Her staying would've been very dangerous for Clark for two reasons. The first is, if he fought kryptonite to kiss her once, what makes me believe that he wouldn't do it a second time or a third time had she hung around? Every time he does this, he puts his life at risk. The second is the fact that had Lana stayed, someone could've uncovered her secret and found a way to use her against Clark. If Brainiac returned, he could've programmed Lana to kill Clark or something. There are just too many things that can go wrong if she had stayed, unless there was a known cure. It's just never a good thing to have a walking chunk of kryptonite anywhere near Clark.

[Alania]

I didn't like the "you are special." Special in what way, Clark? Special in that you don't love me enough to tell me your secret when you turn back time? Or "special" in that you're letting me down gently because you don't feel that way? After Lois' eloquent speech, I was disappointed that this was all Clark had to say.



Like someone else put it, Lois was "whining" with her special speech and Clark just said what she wanted to hear. I had a lot of problem with that speech, that wasn't our tough as nails Lois and all the time i was like: "please, somebody stop that!". She can be vulnerable and let her feelings out, but whine? Anyway, it is past and the best about that scene was Clark arriving in the barn with her in his arms:D.


Well, here's my issue with Clark. IMO, he shouldn't be giving Lois any looks at this point and he certainly has no right to be jealous that Lois is going out on a date. I say this because just three episodes ago, he was down on his knees telling Lana that he loved her. Clark needs a cooling off period and I don't think that TPTB are going to give that to him, outside of the episodes that Lois does not appear in. For me, it's not about Clark kissing Lois too soon or being in a relationship with Lois too soon, it's about taking a period of time where he is not dealing with feelings that he has for any girl. With the way TPTB have written this show, they went from Clark telling Lana that he loved her one episode to suddenly being conflicted about his feelings for Lois after Lana left the next episode. It makes Clark look fickle. The bottom line is that TPTB should've reset the entire Clois relationship after the Clana arc and they have not done that. Clark's feelings for Lois, that he had even before Lana came back, IMO, are starting to show and that makes his actions during the Clana arc look that much worse. If TPTB reset the relationship and stopped with all of the romantic hints until something else was built up next season, the Clois relationship might look a little bit better from Clark's standpoint.

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it is in poor taste to have Clark simply revert back to the feelings that he has for Lois prior to the Clana arc as soon as Lana is gone and as soon as Lois returns. In other words, I would prefer to see the first half of season 8 totally wiped away rather than a return to that. Then in season 9, we could start fresh with Clois. That would've been the best case scenario for me given the horrible Clana arc.

I agree with all that.

[workshyslacker]

Right, and that's the issue that I have regarding the Clana ending. TPTB could've ended it in such a way where both Clark and Lana agreed that their relationship was too dysfunctional but instead, they ended it by saying that they can keep trying to be together through everything except a kryptonite infection.

What's worse is that given Clark's actions at the end of "Requiem", Lana was right to leave him. Her staying would've been very dangerous for Clark for two reasons. The first is, if he fought kryptonite to kiss her once, what makes me believe that he wouldn't do it a second time or a third time had she hung around? Every time he does this, he puts his life at risk. The second is the fact that had Lana stayed, someone could've uncovered her secret and found a way to use her against Clark. If Brainiac returned, he could've programmed Lana to kill Clark or something. There are just too many things that can go wrong if she had stayed, unless there was a known cure. It's just never a good thing to have a walking chunk of kryptonite anywhere near Clark.

All good points. This is NOT closure. And who's to say that she won't turn up and save the day in "Doomsday"? If Clark is dying or dead, who's to say she can't battle DD as TPTB seem to be implying he's affected by kryptonite? And if she doesn't turn up? Doesn't she care? I find it hard to believe that in a situation where Legionnaires from the future are turning up, that Lana will be blissfully unware but that's another topic and I guess I should stop.

[melissan02]

I didn't like the "you are special." Special in what way, Clark? Special in that you don't love me enough to tell me your secret when you turn back time? Or "special" in that you're letting me down gently because you don't feel that way? After Lois' eloquent speech, I was disappointed that this was all Clark had to say.


Ah ha! Now we get to the meat and potatoes!;) Thank you!
I was disappointed in his little "It's because you are special." :rolleyes: (Hell, Clark, so is Shelby for cryin' out loud!)
The reporter in Lois should have asked him the questions you've posed here, Charlotte. Yeah, I'm being silly as that would have been the wrong place and time, but still, they're valid questions that at some point I hope Clark answers with words and not just facial expressions!:rolleyes:

[Alania]

Oh, I love the bike reference, Alania!!:lol: So true! You said the same thing I was just saying to Cam about the relationship never being a healthy one! That's really the bottom line.

In Infamous, it was okay that Lois looked that way at Clark, because if you notice he was looking the same way at her after she said she better stop calling him Smallville. He also mentioned, "because you are special" basically letting her know that she is special to him. He was happy with her reaction to his news!

I loved Hex, because it does tie into Infamous and Bride. Clark does have strong feelings for her, and now, only now he's finally realizing how much!! I think at the end of Infamous he knew too, but he wasn't ready to confront his feelings yet. In Hex he has! That look at the end of this episode and that scene between them was one of the best I've ever seen on this series! Amazing!!

Like that video you once sent me, "It keeps getting better"!! Clark is going to realize as Jack has stated that Lois is a huge part of why he's happy working at the DP and becoming the RBB!!;)


Michele, i love your posts, they always make me think through a different light, since i'm always so harsh and pessimist about this show! That Keeps getting better video i watch all the time, it screams Lois Lane! And i agree with you, the look he had at the end of Hex was a cool one, in fact all that scene was ok for me, cause it wasn't pushing any sort of feelings, just Lois and Clark coming back to their light and fun friendship. That scene i keep waching over and over, the way Clark was reluctant in showing the framed rules but he knows he can never escape from her, so, he might as well just give in!! :lol:

[melissan02]

All good points. This is NOT closure. And who's to say that she won't turn up and save the day in "Doomsday"? If Clark is dying or dead, who's to say she can't battle DD as TPTB seem to be implying he's affected by kryptonite? And if she doesn't turn up? Doesn't she care? I find it hard to believe that in a situation where Legionnaires from the future are turning up, that Lana will be blissfully unware but that's another topic and I guess I should stop.She may not show up in Doomsday, but I'm not counting her out to show up in an episode next season...since, most likely, it will be the last. Lana's like a bad penny...she'll turn up when you least expect her to!:rolleyes:

[Alania]

FWIW, I don't expect or necessarily want Clark to veralize anything right now, as it would seem too soon. My fear is that Clark will never verbalize anything in regards to Lana and that's unacceptable...at least for me. And no, I don't mean that I want to see a mopey, whiny Clark talking about Lana and how things ended. But there's a cloud still hanging over us here folks, and until the writers address this, it will continue to hang.
I'm in the minority here on my views of how I want things to go w/ Clois, and that's fine by me...I don't want to continue to hash this out w/ friends to the point it divides. I mean, hey, it's a t.v. show!:lol:
Some folks are fine w/ sweeping the recent Lana/Clana arc under the rug, swayed by the warm and fuzzies of Clark's puppy dog eyes to Lois, but I drive a harder bargain. ;) That's just how I roll.;)

With u every step of the way. That's my fear too, Mel, that Lana will never be brought up again. I can't have peace while Clana had no closure. We've had seven years of that cr....p, we deserve a proper closure, Clark deserves to turn this page. It is a TV show, but we are all die-hard fans, that is why we talk here. I need this venting channel!!:D:p

[eas]

The way I see it, that AoS demands that they take the Clois slow, if it has any chance to be credible. I'm good with that. However, I would prefer that the build-up is now firmly with Clark, and his shows of affection (if that's what they are) become, as time goes on, less and less ambiguous. In a way, one could argue that what's done is done, but I'm annoyed that they want us to get excited about every Clois bone they're throwing at us, so soon after this Lana arc.

See, I guess I see this as taking it slow. Imo, this is exactly how it's going. Lois is done and now we're getting Clark's side of the story. In this episode, we didn't get anything from Lois to suggest that she's trying to get together with him. On the contrary. She's going out on a date and when Clark tried to suggest that he crash her date (that she would choose to hang out with Clark rather than her date) she immediately put the kobash on the plan.

This whole episode was focused on Clark's feelings and the affection that he has for Lois. He framed the copy of the "rules" she wrote for him. He's got her schedule memorized. When she calls, he picks up, no matter what. He can get snippy with her, but always in this affectionate way. He's staring at her all time - so much so that even Chloe noticed. He notices she's bossy and when she's not, he thinks there's something wrong with her. On top of all that, he knows she a woman and will check her out if she's wearing something too tight.

I mean, really, what more do we want? When I look at the list of ways that BQM showed you Clark's view of Lois and the place she has in his life, I see enough. I certainly see more from Clark's side than Lois. And I certainly saw a scene play out where Lois closed the door and Clark is not happy about that.


Realistically, I wish they would concentrate on the Clois friendship, than the romance for this season, although my Clois heart may want something dramatic for the season finale if Clark is going to die.

I think the friendship has been focused on quite a bit - since S4, actually. At this point, I think it's well established that these two are very good friends. Such good friends, in fact, that Clark can tease her and be sarcastic towards in a way that he's not with most folks. (The look on EDChloe's face when he's snippy towards Lois in the beginning is priceless. She is not used to Clark talking that way to her or being so blunt about his opinions on things.)

They're good friends and they work together. Lois developed a crush on the guy and tried to make it go somewhere. In the end, Clark didn't move forward so Lois has closed the door and moved on. She's decided that he's a good friend and they're co-workers, but the window of opportunity has passed. Clark sees her as a good friend and a co-workers. And he's developoing a crush on her that he is trying is to squash. And that's that.

What more do we want at this stage? I don't want any dramatic moments, yet, nor do I want any kisses. Let's let these two just continue how they are -- Lois firmly keeping her walls up & Clark trying to figure out if he even wants to try to make her walls come down.

These two have the rest of their lives... I'm OK with them being slow right now & for Clark to focus on saving the world from Doomsday, instead. And for Lois to focus on being an awesome reporter.


I loved Batman, I mean Ollie :p, and Lollie, but that's a different matter.

I love Ollie and Lollie, as well. I regret that they made them break up. I wish that they could have let Lois continue seeing Ollie instead of the Grois arc. I also wish the two had more screentime together in S8.


That's what I want. And I'm glad for BQM. I don't want Lois to feel sad, I want her to stop wearing her heart on her sleeve, I want her to try and move on, so that Clark knows he will have to try very, very hard to get past her walls. And I agree that they're not a romantic couple, but TPTB are trying to get us excited about Clois as a romantic couple with all the bones they throw out, and I'm not going to fall for that easily again.

I guess I'm not seeing bones. I would see a bone if they kissed or if they started making out while souped on Red-K potions. Like if Zatanna had put a spell on Clark to get his deepest desire and Lois suddenly manifested from Mexico wearing a sexy nightgown. Those are the sorts of bones they used to throw at Clana, Chlark, and even Clois.

This, on the other hand? It's Clark's natural progession from the AoS towards getting to the point where he realizes that he was looking for a Harley all long and Lois is the Harley.

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With u every step of the way. That's my fear too, Mel, that Lana will never be brought up again. I can't have peace while Clana had no closure. We've had seven years of that cr....p, we deserve a proper closure, Clark deserve to turn this page. It is a TV show, but we are all die-hard fans, that is why we talk here. I need this venting channel!!:D:p

Oh man, Lana has been brought up in every single episode since the AoS. How much more does one need? Do we need to regress Clark back to the loft, playing with his balls, to be convinced that he's mourning her loss & trying to move on?

In "Infamous", Chloe mentioned her twice. Once when she said that Clark has poured everything into being the RBB since Lana left. Secondly, at the end, she brought Lana up without her name (thank God) when she pointed out that Clark was using his secret as a means to keep Lois at arm's length, but just because he'd been burned once (with Lana) didn't mean he'd get burned again. I heaved a sigh of a relief when Clark changed the subject rather than launch into one of his (many) monologues on how he never thinks he'll love anyone as much as Lana.

In "Turbulence", Chloe mentioned Lana when she pointed out that Tess tried to kill Lana. Clark's response was to say that he understood why Tess did what she did. And then he moved on. Thank God. No lamenting that Lana was gone and no hating Tess forever because the woman dared to harm a hair on Lana's head. Unlike the million and one conversations he used to have with Lex over the same sorts of issues. He's moving on and trying to be analytical about it.

In "Hex", Chloe brings up Lana at the end. He drinks to the thought of moving on. THANK GOD.

Seriously, how many more Lana mentions to do we need before we - like Clark - say that we don't want to talk about it anymore & it's OK to move on? There have been three episodes since the AoS and she's been mentioned or alluded to in all three episodes. I hardly consider that "out of sight, out of mind."

You know how was out of sight and out of mind? Jonathan. Martha. Pete. Alicia. Whitney. Jason. Adam.

In this case, Lana is still overshadowing everything & Chloe is aware of it and so she speaks on behalf of the audience and doesn't let anyone - including Clark - forget. And I think it's just enough - one reference per episode is enough for me.

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Well, here's my issue with Clark. IMO, he shouldn't be giving Lois any looks at this point and he certainly has no right to be jealous that Lois is going out on a date. I say this because just three episodes ago, he was down on his knees telling Lana that he loved her. Clark needs a cooling off period and I don't think that TPTB are going to give that to him, outside of the episodes that Lois does not appear in. For me, it's not about Clark kissing Lois too soon or being in a relationship with Lois too soon, it's about taking a period of time where he is not dealing with feelings that he has for any girl. With the way TPTB have written this show, they went from Clark telling Lana that he loved her one episode to suddenly being conflicted about his feelings for Lois after Lana left the next episode. It makes Clark look fickle. The bottom line is that TPTB should've reset the entire Clois relationship after the Clana arc and they have not done that. Clark's feelings for Lois, that he had even before Lana came back, IMO, are starting to show and that makes his actions during the Clana arc look that much worse. If TPTB reset the relationship and stopped with all of the romantic hints until something else was built up next season, the Clois relationship might look a little bit better from Clark's standpoint.

I think is a valid point. However, I think that they already took the Clois relationship too far through "Bride" to be able to hit the re-set switch realistically after Lana left & Lois came back.

I think they actually did a good thing by having Lois address it right off the bat in "Infamous" and - in a very typically Lois way - invite Clark to coffee to sort it out. Clark was also in-character that he was too much of a coward to be able to sit down with Lois and sort it out.

And these looks? My sense is that he's been giving them to her for years. S4 to now. This was the episode in which Chloe called him on it and his confusion was hilarious because Lois never really calls him on it. But the way he was looking at her? Not much different from how he's done it in the past - sometimes when he was actually WITH Lana, let alone trying to get over Lana.

For example, the look he gave her was similar to the look he gave AULois in "Apocolypse" when Lois fell into his arms.


I wouldn't say "lightswitch" because I do believe that Clark had feelings for Lois before Lana came back, but given the choices that Clark made during the Clana arc, it is in poor taste to have Clark simply revert back to the feelings that he has for Lois prior to the Clana arc as soon as Lana is gone and as soon as Lois returns.

I don't think he's reverting. I think he was in denial then and he's in denial now. I think the only time Clark hasn't been in denial was "Bride".... but that was an exception, not the rule.

[Alania]

I guess I'm not seeing bones. I would see a bone if they kissed or if they started making out while souped on Red-K potions. Like if Zatanna had put a spell on Clark to get his deepest desire and Lois suddenly manifested from Mexico wearing a sexy nightgown. Those are the sorts of bones they used to throw at Clana, Chlark, and even Clois.

This, on the other hand? It's Clark's natural progession from the AoS towards getting to the point where he realizes that he was looking for a Harley all long and Lois is the Harley.

Matt, aka, Myanksknet, has a good explanation to why we don't see it as natural progression, i think it's on the previous page. And to me, "bones" is any sort of moment that shows Clark's feelings more than just friendship after all that clana we saw. They are not building up the amazing thing as the first half of season 8, they are just trying to maintain the clois ship alive.



Oh man, Lana has been brought up in every single episode since the AoS. How much more does one need? Do we need to regress Clark back to the loft, playing with his balls, to be convinced that he's mourning her loss & trying to move on?

In "Infamous", Chloe mentioned her twice. Once when she said that Clark has poured everything into being the RBB since Lana left. Secondly, at the end, she brought Lana up without her name (thank God) when she pointed out that Clark was using his secret as a means to keep Lois at arm's length, but just because he'd been burned once (with Lana) didn't mean he'd get burned again. I heaved a sigh of a relief when Clark changed the subject rather than launch into one of his (many) monologues on how he never thinks he'll love anyone as much as Lana.

In "Turbulence", Chloe mentioned Lana when she pointed out that Tess tried to kill Lana. Clark's response was to say that he understood why Tess did what she did. And then he moved on. Thank God. No lamenting that Lana was gone and no hating Tess forever because the woman dared to harm a hair on Lana's head. Unlike the million and one conversations he used to have with Lex over the same sorts of issues. He's moving on and trying to be analytical about it.

In "Hex", Chloe brings up Lana at the end. He drinks to the thought of moving on. THANK GOD.

Seriously, how many more Lana mentions to do we need before we - like Clark - say that we don't want to talk about it anymore & it's OK to move on? There have been three episodes since the AoS and she's been mentioned or alluded to in all three episodes. I hardly consider that "out of sight, out of mind."

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U think i'm ok with all those pointless mentions during these episodes?! No way! They keep mentioning her, but never tell us wth happened exactly. Her leaving this time was exact the same as season 7? And Clark is left in pieces struggling to move on. I see his moving on something forced rather than naturally, since he never gets the chnace to finish this bad relationship preperly. Explaining to us what exactly happened to Lana Lang won't, in any way, regress Clark kent, on the contrary, it will just close this chapter once and for all. Turbulence should have had a Lois mentions, after the last scene in Infamous, but instead, we got another pointless mention. I didn't just wanna brush Lana under the rug, but that's just me, no one needs to think so too.

[eas]

Guess this dagger is for me.

No dagger from me, Alania. Just a point that struck out that I felt should be addressed. :)


Well, like Michele said, Hex and Infamous tie with Bride, true, but ignores 11-14 episodes.

I don't think it does. For reasons mentioned above. The Clark Kent we see post-AoS is not the same man who flirted with Lois in "Committed" and zipped up her dress in a sexy way in "Identity". He is not the same man who stood up for Lois in "Instinct" and gazed down at her in "Plastique" when she thrown into his arms. This is not the same man who gleefully told her that he's be closer to home - and her desk - in "Odyssey". The man who forced Lois into an elevator with him so he could address whether or not she was in love with him. And he's certainly not the same man who asked her to help with his cuff-links so he could drink in the scent of her hair and neck in "Bride". Or the man who boldy grabbed her hand and pulled her onto the dance floor in that same episode.

Who he is in "Infamous", "Turbulence" and "Hex" is a very different man from that man. He's unsure of himself when it comes to Lois. He's not happy. He doesn't have a ready grin that bubbles to the surface whenever he's around her. He's not confident and he's not sure. He's not ready to challenge her feelings and he's not ready to confront his feelings for her -- he wants the feelings he has for her to go away & yet, he can't help but want to be close to her.

So, has the AoS affected him? I think so. I think it's affected him quite deeply. Perhaps it can be argued that it hasn't affected him in a postive way -- but there is no doubt that impact is there.



Lois is not the second girlfriend, she's the ultimate love, his feelings for her should not be that fragile.

At this point, she's not his ultimate love. Again, I think we should separate out what we know - as viewers - to be their end game & what Clark and Lois -- as the characters -- know is their end game.


I still want answers on Lana, cause if that's gonna be swept under the rug like it was in the first half of the season, than it will talke me more time to believe in Clark. There was no need for lovingly look in Hex.

No need for it? I think the point was that he can't help it. That, to me, goes a long way towards explaining what makes Lois so important in his life later on. That he doesn't want to be giving her loving looks, but he just can't help himself.

There is something inherently romantic in that. Shades of Darcy falling for Liz, even though he didn't want to.


I liked Infamous a lot cause it showed a confused Clark, still not sure of his feelings, that wasn't lightswitch at all. Then Turbulence didn't mention Lois and now, there's a lovingly look.

I agree on "Infamous". At what point, do you think, Clark should have talked about Lois in "Turbulence"? They've made it quite clear that he's clammed up about Lois and he doesn't want to talk about her to people. And "Turbulence" was not an episode where it would have been organic or natural to mention her, I think.


This looks is what i found out of place and it did look like switching back to Lois too fast.

I would agree with you if he had spent most of "Turbulence" lamenting Lana or if he had been giving Tess or Chloe loving looks through that episode. In this case, it didn't look like he was "switching back" to Lois. It looked it was it was follow-up to "Infamous". And Clark acknowledges that things have been rocky between them -- which is apparent from the way he talks to EDChloe and the ending scene.


Had they kept just the ending scene, i would be perfectly ok, cause Clark was just caught on some jealousy and tenderness with the "framed rules", but nothing pushing his feelings. Looking lovely is sort of pushing, since Infamous showed the right Clark: one confused and trying to get over his bad breakup and sparing Lois from all that. Sorry if a cloiser is feeling this way,:o, but maybe during the season i'll change my mind. :)

I'm actually not a Cloiser anymore (meaning, I have no vested interest if it happens or not, I just want Lois to look good) but I felt that "Hex" showed a confused and "in denial" Clark as much as "Infamous" did.

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U think i'm ok with all those pointless mentions during these episodes?! No way! They keep mentioning her, but never tell us wth happened exactly. Her leaving this time was exact the same as season 7? And Clark is left in pieces struggling to move on. I see his moving on something forced rather than naturally, since he never gets the chnace to finish this bad relationship preperly. Explaining to us what exactly happened to Lana Lang won't, in any way, regress Clark kent, on the contrary, it will just close this chapter once and for all. Turbulence should have had a Lois mentions, after the last scene in Infamous, but instead, we got another pointless mention. I didn't just wanna brush Lana under the rug, but that's just me, no one needs to think so too.

I agree with you on all counts. But, unfortunately, I've come to terms the fact that this is how it'll happen.

Sure, I would prefer to have Clark explain his POV... hell, I'd love for him to just come out and admit that Lana was cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

But me wishing for that isn't going to happen. So, basically, I just take what show canon gives me and use it to figure out what's going to through Clark's mind as they throw it at me. And what I'm seeing a Clark Kent who is getting over Lana, while - at the same time - not acknowledging that she's crazy-pants & who is in denial over his feelings for Lois.

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See, I guess I see this as taking it slow. Imo, this is exactly how it's going. Lois is done and now we're getting Clark's side of the story.

This is how I saw Hex too. I didn't see Clark "in love" with Lois, I saw he is drawn to her despite himself.


In this episode, we didn't get anything from Lois to suggest that she's trying to get together with him.

She did just was many were hoping she'd do after Infamous, move on. She's not doing it in a petty fashion either. She's accepted he doesn't want to change the nature of their relationship, she doesn't want to lose his friendship so she's making the effort to go forward without bitterness.




I think the friendship has been focused on quite a bit - since S4, actually. At this point, I think it's well established that these two are very good friends. Such good friends, in fact, that Clark can tease her and be sarcastic towards in a way that he's not with most folks. (The look on EDChloe's face when he's snippy towards Lois in the beginning is priceless. She is not used to Clark talking that way to her or being so blunt about his opinions on things.)

I agree. I also loved EDChloe's reaction to the way Clark talks to Lois.



What more do we want at this stage? I don't want any dramatic moments, yet, nor do I want any kisses. Let's let these two just continue how they are -- Lois firmly keeping her walls up & Clark trying to figure out if he even wants to try to make her walls come down.

Me too. I don't want any kissing, any declarations of feelings on Clark's side. It would ring hollow, mho. Time enough to develop the relationship in Season 9.



I guess I'm not seeing bones. I would see a bone if they kissed or if they started making out while souped on Red-K potions.

I HATED Crimson. Hated it.

I didn't see bones in Hex either, I saw for the first time since the AoS an attempt to progress the characters forward.



I think is a valid point. However, I think that they already took the Clois relationship too far through "Bride" to be able to hit the re-set switch realistically after Lana left & Lois came back.

Exactly. He was leaning in to that kiss. They have to move forward from that.


And these looks? My sense is that he's been giving them to her for years. S4 to now.

Something has been brewing there since day one. Lana even saw it.

At this point the attraction was not strong enough to withstand the siren call of his first love.

But Clark isn't going to be frozen in amber, he's going to grow. Hex showed me how it's possible for Clark to slowly evolve from where he is today to where he'll end up.

It's just the first step, not the final. He and Chloe both came to the realization it's time to look forward, to accept old dreams didn't come true, but perhaps that isn't the end of the world.

From here, Clark goes forward.



For example, the look he gave her was similar to the look he gave AULois in "Apocolypse" when Lois fell into his arms.

(mho) The look after Hydro and his first kiss with Lois was very emotional, but as usual he pushed it all down.

He's been fighting every step of the way, he couldn't admit he liked her. (paraphrasing) 'I can't stand her, she's bossy, rude, blah blah' to Lana, the secret friend conversation in Lucy, to the snide 'you've finally found somebody who can look beyond your personality' in reference to Lois and Oliver dating.




I don't think he's reverting. I think he was in denial then and he's in denial now. I think the only time Clark hasn't been in denial was "Bride".... but that was an exception, not the rule.

Me too.

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See, I guess I see this as taking it slow. Imo, this is exactly how it's going. Lois is done and now we're getting Clark's side of the story. In this episode, we didn't get anything from Lois to suggest that she's trying to get together with him. On the contrary. She's going out on a date and when Clark tried to suggest that he crash her date (that she would choose to hang out with Clark rather than her date) she immediately put the kobash on the plan.


I guess what I should've said is my definition of "slow" is a complete break from TPTB trying to touch on the Clois romance, or trying to give us Clois moments; Clark giving Lois "loving stares" (which, again, is all down to interpretation) in order to sweep the AoS under the rug. Instead, I would prefer, they focussed on the friendly banter and camaraderie of their relationship. I realise we have had many seasons exploring this, but sometimes it's necessary to take a few steps back when an ex turns up and puts the "kabosh" on a mutual attraction. And I'm glad BQM wrote Lois this way in "Hex".



What more do we want at this stage? I don't want any dramatic moments, yet, nor do I want any kisses. Let's let these two just continue how they are -- Lois firmly keeping her walls up & Clark trying to figure out if he even wants to try to make her walls come down.
I don't want drama, and I don't want angst. This is why I was dissatisfied with the ending of "Infamous". It was another chance where Lois put herself out there for Clark, and she was hurt. I don't want any more moments like that for her. I want her to be strong, and not wear her heart on her sleeve. Why should she, if she thinks Clark is not interested? And if the moment does come for Clark, I don't want it to be ambiguous. I'm not sold on these insubstantial stares or looks. I want irrefutable words and actions. And for these to be credible, I think Clark needs a long time to get over Lana. The next question is how much time? As much as it takes for Clark to face up to the fact he has feelings for Lois that are more than friendship and accept them, even if he refuses to do anything about it.



These two have the rest of their lives... I'm OK with them being slow right now & for Clark to focus on saving the world from Doomsday, instead. And for Lois to focus on being an awesome reporter.
Realistically that's what I've wanted; Clark's progression towards Superman, and then we can start reassessing Clois romance again, although, irrationally, I've wanted the DD scenario to play out the same way as it does in the comics. But I understand that it probably won't turn out that way. Lois and Clark in SV are not in the same place in their relationship as they are in the comics when DD arrived.



I love Ollie and Lollie, as well. I regret that they made them break up. I wish that they could have let Lois continue seeing Ollie instead of the Grois arc. I also wish the two had more screentime together in S8.
Agreed!



I guess I'm not seeing bones. I would see a bone if they kissed or if they started making out while souped on Red-K potions. Like if Zatanna had put a spell on Clark to get his deepest desire and Lois suddenly manifested from Mexico wearing a sexy nightgown. Those are the sorts of bones they used to throw at Clana, Chlark, and even Clois.
I'm seeing the "loving stare" spoiler and the forthcoming (potential) one from Stilleto being "bones". IMO,these are moments that TPTB are trying to use to quell the immediate discontent that some Clois fans had after the AoS. I see it as part of their ploy to keep some of us watching, they know there were a lot of dissatisfied Clois/Lois fans that may have not returned.



Oh man, Lana has been brought up in every single episode since the AoS. How much more does one need? Do we need to regress Clark back to the loft, playing with his balls, to be convinced that he's mourning her loss & trying to move on?
I think what we would prefer, ideally, is that Lana and Clark had complete mutual closure and not to be separated by fate. However, the next best thing would be if she returned and Clark realised that Lana was not the one for him. I'm going to hold up the example of Lori Lemaris from the comics. DC cleared up all questions about Lori, the girl who left Clark, despite him proposing to her. DC brought her back and Clark (eventually) made it clear that Lois was the one he loved, and wanted to marry. I realise that SV has chosen a different path, but I'm citing this example as a way for TPTB of clearing up their own mess. Don't get me wrong, I would not want Lana back unless there is an iron-clad guarantee that she would do so only as a friend. But I guess that's not going to happen.

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At this point, she's not his ultimate love. Again, I think we should separate out what we know - as viewers - to be their end game & what Clark and Lois -- as the characters -- know is their end game.


Again, agreed. The question is how are the writers going to get the characters to this point without coming out of the blue?

In Hex, I saw a way out of the proverbial woods.



Sure, I would prefer to have Clark explain his POV... hell, I'd love for him to just come out and admit that Lana was cuckoo for cocoa puffs.

Me too. But it's never going to happen Neither will any other character.



But me wishing for that isn't going to happen. So, basically, I just take what show canon gives me and use it to figure out what's going to through Clark's mind as they throw it at me. And what I'm seeing a Clark Kent who is getting over Lana, while - at the same time - not acknowledging that she's crazy-pants & who is in denial over his feelings for Lois.

This is where I am too. I hated the AoS. I don't like that clois has to happen. But both are the reality.

So how to go forward and redeem Clark Kent? Hex was an excellent first step, mho. I hope BQM writes more episodes next season.

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I think what we would prefer, ideally, is that Lana and Clark had complete mutual closure and not to be separated by fate. However, the next best thing would be if she returned and Clark realised that Lana was not the one for him.

Sure. But it didn't happen that way and now we're left with the wreckage. So how to move forward from it? I think Hex was a good first step.


I'm going to hold up the example of Lori Lemaris from the comics. DC cleared up all questions about Lori, the girl who left Clark, despite him proposing to her. DC brought her back and Clark (eventually) made it clear that Lois was the one he loved, and wanted to marry.

They did. (albeit forcing us to see that ridiculous arc with Lori staying with Lois in her apartment, wearing Lois's evening dress and kissing Clark with Lois catching them. Ick!!)


But it took time, it didn't happen right away. I hope Lana comes back either in person or we get a scene where Clark talks about a cured Lana, how he saw her and they've both moved on.




I realise that SV has chosen a different path, but I'm citing this example as a way for TPTB of clearing up their own mess. Don't get me wrong, I would not want Lana back unless there is an iron-clad guarantee that she would do so only as a friend. But I guess that's not going to happen.

I guess we'll have to see how season 9 goes. For me, bringing back Lana right now would be useless.

They first have to concentrate on redeeming Clark, then address Lana either in person or offscreen after Clark has truly moved forward.

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I think is a valid point. However, I think that they already took the Clois relationship too far through "Bride" to be able to hit the re-set switch realistically after Lana left & Lois came back.


Well, apparently they didn't take Clois far enough because we got a full dose of romantic Clana following what happened in "Bride". I guess that's my point. I'd rather the first half wiped away because of that fact rather than a continuation of it. TPTB going back to the first half...back to the near kiss and continuing from there makes it look like Clark is basically saying "Oh well. I tried with Lana and I can't be with her so since there might be something there with Lois, I might as well give that some serious thought at this juncture." IMO, Clark should be giving some serious thought about forgetting all girls for the moment.

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I guess what I should've said is my definition of "slow" is a complete break from TPTB trying to touch on the Clois romance, or trying to give us Clois moments; Clark giving Lois "loving stares" (which, again, is all down to interpretation) in order to sweep the AoS under the rug.


IA. That is what I was hoping for following the Clana arc as well but TPTB have apparently decided to have Clark start to realize that he may be having feelings for Lois as soon as Lana left.




I don't want drama, and I don't want angst. This is why I was dissatisfied with the ending of "Infamous". It was another chance where Lois put herself out there for Clark, and she was hurt.


I also didn't like Lois bringing up the fact that Clark stood her up at the end of "Infamous" as well.



I'm seeing the "loving stare" spoiler and the forthcoming (potential) one from Stilleto being "bones". IMO,these are moments that TPTB are trying to use to quell the immediate discontent that some Clois fans had after the AoS. I see it as part of their ploy to keep some of us watching, they know there were a lot of dissatisfied Clois/Lois fans that may have not returned.


I have to agree with this as well. Lois has been back for two episodes and TPTB have not hesitated to move Clois front and center again following the Clana arc. I do believe that this is TPTB's way of doing damage control. As far as what may come at the end of the season, well IMO, there's no need to throw any significant Clois moments at us when 1) there's another season left and 2) Lois is going to be missing episodes.

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So how to go forward and redeem Clark Kent? Hex was an excellent first step, mho. I hope BQM writes more episodes next season.


BQM should definitely write more.



Sure. But it didn't happen that way and now we're left with the wreckage. So how to move forward from it? I think Hex was a good first step.
The consistency of the writing is variable between epsiodes. I'm just waiting for the next equivalent AoS. :rolleyes:



They did. (albeit forcing us to see that ridiculous arc with Lori staying with Lois in her apartment, wearing Lois's evening dress and kissing Clark with Lois catching them. Ick!!)
Yes, I know. That's why I said "eventually":D. Believe me, I had a visceral reaction to that section. But it all turned out right in the end. The basic premise of bringing back an ex and having complete closure is what I was getting at. And I know pigs might fly.:p



But it took time, it didn't happen right away. I hope Lana comes back either in person or we get a scene where Clark talks about a cured Lana, how he saw her and they've both moved on.
ITA. I like flying pigs. There should be more of them. :p

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But it took time, it didn't happen right away.

That is the KEY. It's going to take time. It's not going to happen right away.

I think that if Clark launched into some babbling explanation of how he feels about Lana (he's over her or not) or went into this whole monologue of how conflicted he is over Lois, it would ring false.

I think Miller walked the fine line very well and he bridged the AoS to the rest of the season beautifully. He wrote Clark as a man who is falling in love with Lois Lane in spite of his own desire not to and that makes sense given what he just went through with Lana & what we know of Clark's future destiny with Lois.

Again, I use the example of Darcy and Elizabeth. He didn't want to fall in love with Liz, but he couldn't help himself. Was he happy about it, though? No. So much so that when he finally proposed to her, he insulted her more than anything and she threw his proposal back in his face.

What led us to believe, though, that Darcy was even in love with her leading up to that? Liz was a bit gobsmacked and so was the reader, truth be told. Sure, we had little hints up to that point (He says to Caroline Bingley that Liz has the finest eyes he's ever seen) but it's not Darcy went around giving long monologues about his love for her to Bingley or something.

I see that Clark/Lois relationship unfolding much the same way. Clark is keeping things close to the chest until the point is going to come where he bursts. And chances are quite high that Lois's reaction is going to be similar to Liz's. At least, I hope so.


I guess we'll have to see how season 9 goes. For me, bringing back Lana right now would be useless.

I agree. And there is no telling how they'll deal with Lana off-screen. They've got a full 22 episodes next year to play around with this. I would rather not see Lana back (she sucks up too much screentime from other characters) but I think that we'll get something from Clark about her, at some point. Right now, though, I'm on Lana-overload and I'm OK with Clark choosing not to talk about her.

I think that - before - I thought that Clark was irredeemable from the AoS. But these 3 episodes (especially "Hex") have shown me that, if handled correctly, Clark can be explained and redeemed.

The question is: Will S9 be more of the same or will the writers take Miller's lead? My hope is the latter & I'm willing to adopt a "wait and see" attitude.

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I also didn't like Lois bringing up the fact that Clark stood her up at the end of "Infamous" as well.

See, I didn't mind that. I felt that Clark was trying his "same old, same old" techniques on her (playing mind games) and Lois called him on it & let him know that she wasn't going to play his games.

Basically, she thinks the window of opportunity has passed and told him so. Now, the burden of the chase is on him. And I think he understood that when she walked away.

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I also didn't like Lois bringing up the fact that Clark stood her up at the end of "Infamous" as well.

It wasn't completely consistent; as far as Lois knows, Clark covered for himself (probably not convincingly though) with his "swamped with work" excuse. However, I'm just glad the dialogue addressed it, because, once again, I thought they were going to ignore that too. I'm just glad someone said what I wanted to say.

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Again, I use the example of Darcy and Elizabeth. He didn't want to fall in love with Liz, but he couldn't help himself. Was he happy about it, though? No. So much so that when he finally proposed to her, he insulted her more than anything and she threw his proposal back in his face.

What led us to believe, though, that Darcy was even in love with her leading up to that? Liz was a bit gobsmacked and so was the reader, truth be told. Sure, we had little hints up to that point (He says to Caroline Bingley that Liz has the finest eyes he's ever seen) but it's not Darcy went around giving long monologues about his love for her to Bingley or something.

I see that Clark/Lois relationship unfolding much the same way. Clark is keeping things close to the chest until the point is going to come where he bursts. And chances are quite high that Lois's reaction is going to be similar to Liz's. At least, I hope so.


:lol:

I brought this up in another thread as an example of how NO girl wants to be told that someone loves her "despite [their] better judgement", and similarly, I don't want Clark to have deep feelings for Lois unless he stops struggling with them, and accepts them.

If the moment of revelation happens exactly the same way you describe it, I would find it extremely amusing.

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See, I didn't mind that. I felt that Clark was trying his "same old, same old" techniques on her (playing mind games) and Lois called him on it & let him know that she wasn't going to play his games.


I guess I feel that Lois really didn't have a right to say that to Clark given the way in which she asked him out at the end of "Infamous". I mean, she basically stated that if he didn't show up, it was all good and at the end, she said that she couldn't make it for coffee because she was chasing a lead so IMO, even though Clark knows that she was there, she still should've stood by what she wrote to Clark in the text. I don't mind Lois throwing a jab at Clark, since he certainly deserves it, but she has to do it in a better way. Ignoring Clark or making it so that she was always unavailable to hang out with him from this point on would've been a better way to make her point.

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I think that if Clark launched into some babbling explanation of how he feels about Lana (he's over her or not) or went into this whole monologue of how conflicted he is over Lois, it would ring false.


It would seem forced and lightswitched to me.


I think Miller walked the fine line very well and he bridged the AoS to the rest of the season beautifully. He wrote Clark as a man who is falling in love with Lois Lane in spite of his own desire not to and that makes sense given what he just went through with Lana & what we know of Clark's future destiny with Lois.


I felt the same way. He was not pretending it didn't happen, but instead trying to redeem Clark. And it's going to take more than one episode to do it. Hex was the first step in the right direction.

Will other writers screw it up? I hope not, but wouldn't be surprised.


The question is: Will S9 be more of the same or will the writers take Miller's lead? My hope is the latter & I'm willing to adopt a "wait and see" attitude.

Me too. I quit season 7 because I had no hope. I was ready to quit after P/R. Hex has given me enough hope that this can be salvaged.



See, I didn't mind that. I felt that Clark was trying his "same old, same old" techniques on her (playing mind games) and Lois called him on it & let him know that she wasn't going to play his games.

That's what I thought too. Lois called him on it, it wasn't a pathetic "you stood me up, please love me" moment. It was, a NO you aren't going to play with my emotions this way. I'm living my life, you're my friend and it's best we keep it that way.

Sure, it was a clunky moment because in Infamous she lied, so shouldn't know she was stood up, but they needed to have a moment where she tells him the new rule.

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I guess I feel that Lois really didn't have a right to say that to Clark given the way in which she asked him out at the end of "Infamous". I mean, she basically stated that if he didn't show up, it was all good and at the end, she said that she couldn't make it for coffee because she was chasing a lead so IMO, even though Clark knows that she was there, she still should've stood by what she wrote to Clark in the text.

I can relate to that. My point is he should've made up his mind sooner and called off their meeting. Or walked across that road to say he wasn't ready for a relationship. The way that scene played, it looked like Clark had been watching her for some time, vacillating. And he'd kept Lois waiting.

I can relate to that too, and I didn't like it.

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I guess what I should've said is my definition of "slow" is a complete break from TPTB trying to touch on the Clois romance, or trying to give us Clois moments; Clark giving Lois "loving stares" (which, again, is all down to interpretation) in order to sweep the AoS under the rug. Instead, I would prefer, they focussed on the friendly banter and camaraderie of their relationship. I realise we have had many seasons exploring this, but sometimes it's necessary to take a few steps back when an ex turns up and puts the "kabosh" on a mutual attraction. And I'm glad BQM wrote Lois this way in "Hex".

I don't think the "loving stare" is a bone.


I don't want drama, and I don't want angst. This is why I was dissatisfied with the ending of "Infamous". It was another chance where Lois put herself out there for Clark, and she was hurt. I don't want any more moments like that for her. I want her to be strong, and not wear her heart on her sleeve. Why should she, if she thinks Clark is not interested? And if the moment does come for Clark, I don't want it to be ambiguous. I'm not sold on these insubstantial stares or looks. I want irrefutable words and actions. And for these to be credible, I think Clark needs a long time to get over Lana. The next question is how much time? As much as it takes for Clark to face up to the fact he has feelings for Lois that are more than friendship and accept them, even if he refuses to do anything about it.

I think that - realistically - we needed to see Lois get her form of closure when it came to Clark. She got it and now she's moving on.

At this stage, no one can ever come back to this woman and say she fell in love with Superman and not Clark Kent. No, she fell for Clark Kent & will - eventually - marry that the man who is both dorky Clark Kent and Superman. She will fall for both sides of the coin, back to back, and no one can say she's shallow when it comes to him.

I think that they did a good thing with Lois in "Infamous". Did it break my heart? Yes. But I was proud of her. She is a woman who has grown so much since the tough-as-nails girl who burst into Clark's life back in S4. She's evolved and learned from all her failed relationships and she knows Clark so well that she recognized that he was a man worth putting her heart on her sleeve for. He was worth the risk.

And, now, she's got her answer and she's moved on. And Clark, for his part, should be happy about that. But he's not. Why not? Because Lois Lane is the person he wants to be with, even if he can't admit it to himself.


Realistically that's what I've wanted; Clark's progression towards Superman, and then we can start reassessing Clois romance again, although, irrationally, I've wanted the DD scenario to play out the same way as it does in the comics. But I understand that it probably won't turn out that way. Lois and Clark in SV are not in the same place in their relationship as they are in the comics when DD arrived.

I think that the AoS derailed Clark on his journey. But we still have 22 episodes in S9 to get there. This time, WITHOUT a 5 episode detour into Lanaville. Let's keep our fingers crossed that they get it right next time.


I'm seeing the "loving stare" spoiler and the forthcoming (potential) one from Stilleto being "bones". IMO,these are moments that TPTB are trying to use to quell the immediate discontent that some Clois fans had after the AoS. I see it as part of their ploy to keep some of us watching, they know there were a lot of dissatisfied Clois/Lois fans that may have not returned.

I see these as laying down a foundation. Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree.


I think what we would prefer, ideally, is that Lana and Clark had complete mutual closure and not to be separated by fate.

I think we can ALL agree that this is what we ALL wanted. But I think we need to come to the point where we realize that these episodes are done and show canon has been written in stone. No amount of lamenting is going to undo the AoS.

Moving forward, what can Clark do to convince viewers that he's moved on from Lana & that Lois is a contender for "the love of my life" slot? I believe (and I may be in the minority) that he's doing the right things. Others think not. That's what we need to figure out.

But wishing that the AoS would just go away won't get us anywhere.


However, the next best thing would be if she returned and Clark realised that Lana was not the one for him.

I believe that if Lana comes back (in the form of KK) that we'd get the opposite. I think that they'd use as an opportunity to give Lana a "chance" because they think that she's awesome and the world revolves around her character. They'd write Lois out of the episodes that KK is in & have Clark kiss her - even if he's dating Lois at the time.

Basically, the final episode could be planned as the wedding between Lois and Clark & if KK came back to the final episode? It would end with Lana interuppting the wedding vows and Clark looking from Lana to Lois and wondering what he should do next.

THAT is why I don't want KK to come back. Because I think TPTB are incapable of writing "SV" as anything other than "Lanaville" when KK is around.

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That's what I thought too. Lois called him on it, it wasn't a pathetic "you stood me up, please love me" moment. It was, a NO you aren't going to play with my emotions this way. I'm living my life, you're my friend and it's best we keep it that way.

Sure, it was a clunky moment because in Infamous she lied, so shouldn't know she was stood up, but they needed to have a moment where she tells him the new rule.

ITA.

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It wasn't completely consistent; as far as Lois knows, Clark covered for himself (probably not convincingly though) with his "swamped with work" excuse. However, I'm just glad the dialogue addressed it, because, once again, I thought they were going to ignore that too. I'm just glad someone said what I wanted to say.

I believe it was consistent because Lois is smart enough to read between the lines. The invitation she offered him was: "If you come, then we'll talk to see where this is going. If you don't show up, then I'll get the message."

So, he didn't show up. She got the message. So when he tried to say that he'd crash her date (with an expectation that she'd choose to spend her night with him, rather than with her date) she brought it up because she was reminding him that he made a choice and now he has to stick to it.

The way she covered her pride was to say to cut him off and say, "Was a mistake? Yeah...."

It was very consistent and it was an example of how awesome Lois Lane is. She's not going to let him play head games with her. She doesn't want his excuses or his apologies. She's like, "You're not interested? Neither am I. Moving on...."

Good for her.


I brought this up in another thread as an example of how NO girl wants to be told that someone loves her "despite [their] better judgement", and similarly, I don't want Clark to have deep feelings for Lois unless he stops struggling with them, and accepts them.

It doesn't always work like that, though. Sometimes, the feelings are very deep and you don't accept them until it's much too late. In the example of Darcy, he admits that he struggled with them for so long and now he just can't hold it in anymore. He's just letting it all out, because he's so angry and frustrated with himself (and Liz) that he fell in love with her even though every ounce of common sense told him not to.

I see Clark being there right now. "Oh man, Lois is such a pain. But she's so awesome... Oh God, what am I DOING??? I hate myself... but I love her. God DAMMIT."

Doesn't mean he's about to go ask her out, though. Or wax poetic. Or even admit to Chloe that he's feeling this way.


If the moment of revelation happens exactly the same way you describe it, I would find it extremely amusing.

LOL... there are actually a lot of Clois fan-fics that deal with this sort of scenario. Where Clark's dam just bursts and he just lets his feelings for Lois all out & he admits how much he loves her -- while simultneously insulting the hell out of her, without meaning to.

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I think that - realistically - we needed to see Lois get her form of closure when it came to Clark. She got it and now she's moving on.

At this stage, no one can ever come back to this woman and say she fell in love with Superman and not Clark Kent. No, she fell for Clark Kent & will - eventually - marry that the man who is both dorky Clark Kent and Superman. She will fall for both sides of the coin, back to back, and no one can say she's shallow when it comes to him.


Lois falls for Clark as per canon, but not usually after Clark falls for Lois. Shame. I hope that you're right, Sana, that she will move on, at the very least, from Clark's POV. I take your point about falling for both sides of the coin, and that is a nice touch. Personally, I couldn't care less about some of the accusations that Lois' character has received.



I think that they did a good thing with Lois in "Infamous". Did it break my heart? Yes. But I was proud of her. She is a woman who has grown so much since the tough-as-nails girl who burst into Clark's life back in S4. She's evolved and learned from all her failed relationships and she knows Clark so well that she recognized that he was a man worth putting her heart on her sleeve for. He was worth the risk.
Yes, she fights for what she believes in. Now, I think she needs to sit back and take a breather.. Is Clark worth it? IMO, probably not at the moment.



I think we can ALL agree that this is what we ALL wanted. But I think we need to come to the point where we realize that these episodes are done and show canon has been written in stone. No amount of lamenting is going to undo the AoS.

Moving forward, what can Clark do to convince viewers that he's moved on from Lana & that Lois is a contender for "the love of my life" slot? I believe (and I may be in the minority) that he's doing the right things. Others think not. That's what we need to figure out.

But wishing that the AoS would just go away won't get us anywhere.
What's done is done. Clark's still on probation in my book. We'll see if they manage to fix this mess. How do we fix this mess? I think I've already posted this in the PS3 section, but others would probably disagree.



I believe that if Lana comes back (in the form of KK) that we'd get the opposite. I think that they'd use as an opportunity to give Lana a "chance" because they think that she's awesome and the world revolves around her character. They'd write Lois out of the episodes that KK is in & have Clark kiss her - even if he's dating Lois at the time.

Basically, the final episode could be planned as the wedding between Lois and Clark & if KK came back to the final episode? It would end with Lana interuppting the wedding vows and Clark looking from Lana to Lois and wondering what he should do next.

THAT is why I don't want KK to come back. Because I think TPTB are incapable of writing "SV" as anything other than "Lanaville" when KK is around.And that's why I know she can't come back, even though, theoretically, it's possible to undo this if handled correctly. These showrunners are incapable of that.

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So, he didn't show up. She got the message. So when he tried to say that he'd crash her date (with an expectation that she'd choose to spend her night with him, rather than with her date) she brought it up because she was reminding him that he made a choice and now he has to stick to it.

The way she covered her pride was to say to cut him off and say, "Was a mistake? Yeah...."

It was very consistent and it was an example of how awesome Lois Lane is. She's not going to let him play head games with her. She doesn't want his excuses or his apologies. She's like, "You're not interested? Neither am I. Moving on...."

Good for her.


Exactly. I want to see more moments of iconic Lois. She doesn't suffer fools gladly, or head-games. "Good for her".



I see Clark being there right now. "Oh man, Lois is such a pain. But she's so awesome... Oh God, what am I DOING??? I hate myself... but I love her. God DAMMIT."

Doesn't mean he's about to go ask her out, though. Or wax poetic. Or even admit to Chloe that he's feeling this way.

LOL... there are actually a lot of Clois fan-fics that deal with this sort of scenario. Where Clark's dam just bursts and he just lets his feelings for Lois all out & he admits how much he loves her -- while simultneously insulting the hell out of her, without meaning to.Not really flattering, is it? :lol: But I would love this scenario because it does remind me of how some classic love stories have happened.

Anyway, I must vamoose. It's been a pleasure. :D

[Alania]

I guess what I should've said is my definition of "slow" is a complete break from TPTB trying to touch on the Clois romance, or trying to give us Clois moments; Clark giving Lois "loving stares" (which, again, is all down to interpretation) in order to sweep the AoS under the rug. Instead, I would prefer, they focussed on the friendly banter and camaraderie of their relationship. I realise we have had many seasons exploring this, but sometimes it's necessary to take a few steps back when an ex turns up and puts the "kabosh" on a mutual attraction. And I'm glad BQM wrote Lois this way in "Hex".

I second and third that!


I don't want drama, and I don't want angst. This is why I was dissatisfied with the ending of "Infamous". It was another chance where Lois put herself out there for Clark, and she was hurt. I don't want any more moments like that for her. I want her to be strong, and not wear her heart on her sleeve. Why should she, if she thinks Clark is not interested? And if the moment does come for Clark, I don't want it to be ambiguous. I'm not sold on these insubstantial stares or looks. I want irrefutable words and actions. And for these to be credible, I think Clark needs a long time to get over Lana. The next question is how much time? As much as it takes for Clark to face up to the fact he has feelings for Lois that are more than friendship and accept them, even if he refuses to do anything about it.

Same here! That ethereal ending scene in infamous was completely unecessary, was too surreal when they could have talked without getting into any romantic parts or tyring to start something there. It would be just a talk between two grown-ups about their new feelings. What's the big? Lois was ready, but she bumped on Clark's wall of insecurity and that only made me cry again over Lois getting hurt! That's why i didn't want any loving stare or jealousy scenes, just the friendship, really taking serious what Lois said: "" back to basics", cause Clark needed time to himself and the ship needed time too. But the "moments" will continue and unless i hear good words and believable actions, i'll keep thinking he pressed the "feelings for Lois" button...:\


I'm seeing the "loving stare" spoiler and the forthcoming (potential) one from Stilleto being "bones". IMO,these are moments that TPTB are trying to use to quell the immediate discontent that some Clois fans had after the AoS. I see it as part of their ploy to keep some of us watching, they know there were a lot of dissatisfied Clois/Lois fans that may have not returned.

Bones they are, since it is just to keep clois ship alive, that was left on stand-by during clana show.


No dagger from me, Alania. Just a point that struck out that I felt should be addressed.

Sorry i didn't reply before, this darn life outside k-site keeps getting in the way! No worries, Sana.:) Like i said to Jack before, it's terrible when we were suppose to be having the same opinions, since we're all cloisers, and then, we end up seeing things differently! I used the lightswitch term more in a sarcastic way, since i can't conceive the fact they stopped clois to put us through all that hardcore clana and now, they are trying to go back to Bride point with Lois in two more episode, u know? Thank God we have a season 9 and, at this point, i'm all for a season 10!


I don't think it does. For reasons mentioned above. The Clark Kent we see post-AoS is not the same man who flirted with Lois in "Committed" and zipped up her dress in a sexy way in "Identity". He is not the same man who stood up for Lois in "Instinct" and gazed down at her in "Plastique" when she thrown into his arms. This is not the same man who gleefully told her that he's be closer to home - and her desk - in "Odyssey". The man who forced Lois into an elevator with him so he could address whether or not she was in love with him. And he's certainly not the same man who asked her to help with his cuff-links so he could drink in the scent of her hair and neck in "Bride". Or the man who boldy grabbed her hand and pulled her onto the dance floor in that same episode.
Who he is in "Infamous", "Turbulence" and "Hex" is a very different man from that man. He's unsure of himself when it comes to Lois. He's not happy. He doesn't have a ready grin that bubbles to the surface whenever he's around her. He's not confident and he's not sure. He's not ready to challenge her feelings and he's not ready to confront his feelings for her -- he wants the feelings he has for her to go away & yet, he can't help but want to be close to her.

True, it is not the same man or even those same incredible actions that built the relationship, but what i don't like is this man now, like "fighting temptations" when never once he missed Lois during her abscence. His feelings are changing fast, too volatile. Or maybe, coming to think of it, he's passed the phase where he thought he had no feelings, but once he realized them, he is now: "ops, wth? Feelings for Lois? What do i do now? I can't take her to the farm next time she drinks too much, cause i might not be able to control myself! I need major self-control from now on!" I hope they show something like that, and not like a priest fighting temptation, that is so not appealing!!!


At this point, she's not his ultimate love. Again, I think we should separate out what we know - as viewers - to be their end game & what Clark and Lois -- as the characters -- know is their end game.

Yeah, true again, but i'm like Charlotte on this one, this has superman brand all over it, that's why it is inevitable for me to make comparison or being harsh, wanting him to act accordingly. I have to remind myself all the time, this show is not the comic world!!


No need for it? I think the point was that he can't help it. That, to me, goes a long way towards explaining what makes Lois so important in his life later on. That he doesn't want to be giving her loving looks, but he just can't help himself.
There is something inherently romantic in that. Shades of Darcy falling for Liz, even though he didn't want to.

But u see, Darcy is the paradigm of denial; he loves and he makes quite clear that he doesn't like those feelings, at first, but then he just gives in as time goes by and he realizes the incredible woman Elizabeth is. Clark kent, on the other hand is the paradigm of repressing: he loves her but chooses to hide, for fear of not being able to lead a relationship with her. But this love makes him stronger and he never denies. Maybe the jealousy was ok, but looking lovingly? Too much.


I agree on "Infamous". At what point, do you think, Clark should have talked about Lois in "Turbulence"? They've made it quite clear that he's clammed up about Lois and he doesn't want to talk about her to people. And "Turbulence" was not an episode where it would have been organic or natural to mention her, I think.
I would agree with you if he had spent most of "Turbulence" lamenting Lana or if he had been giving Tess or Chloe loving looks through that episode. In this case, it didn't look like he was "switching back" to Lois. It looked it was it was follow-up to "Infamous". And Clark acknowledges that things have been rocky between them -- which is apparent from the way he talks to EDChloe and the ending scene.

Turbulence ticked me off because he didn't mention Lois, there was Lana's pointless mention and exchange of intense looks between Clark and Tess. U weren't around much for Turbulence threads, but i was, even if not much, and i even wrote Clark is a "ladie's man", cause he makes that killing look to all girls in SV!!! Maybe he could have talked to Chloe about standing Lois up, i mean, they talk about everything, Clark talked to her about his fear for sexual intercourse, he could have said: "Lois is on assignment, i think she needed some time after what happened; i'm having some feelings that i don't know what they mean, they are all mixed and i was afraid to talk to her at this point. But, i simply couldn't say no when she said she would stop by at the caffe". I'm asking too much, aren't i? But i think they need to talk at some point.


Sure, I would prefer to have Clark explain his POV... hell, I'd love for him to just come out and admit that Lana was cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
But me wishing for that isn't going to happen. So, basically, I just take what show canon gives me and use it to figure out what's going to through Clark's mind as they throw it at me. And what I'm seeing a Clark Kent who is getting over Lana, while - at the same time - not acknowledging that she's crazy-pants & who is in denial over his feelings for Lois.

With u every step here! Whether we like it or not, this is what we got so far, that's why opinions in the same "family" differs. But, as much as i fear for Lois and Clark in the hands of this show, i have to admit that, as much as they never touched Lois, they never touched their relationship, they preserved the essence of it, which is friendship, partnership, loyalty. So, maybe they might not be handling the best way, like brushing his previous relationship under the rug, but keeping the essence makes me have some hope and we have to see where are they taking us with this Clark Kent from now on! Don't lose all hope and give up, try venting here like me, Charlotte and Melissa do, it makes u feel a whole lot better! :D:)

[supes0]

I don't think the "loving stare" is a bone.

Me neither, there was a purpose to it. It's wasn't a pining look from Clark, it was an unconscious thing on his part. Chloe sees it and it puts some things in perspective for her, she said as much to Clark when they were trying to get in to Zatanna's building.



At this stage, no one can ever come back to this woman and say she fell in love with Superman and not Clark Kent.

Darn straight.




I think we can ALL agree that this is what we ALL wanted. But I think we need to come to the point where we realize that these episodes are done and show canon has been written in stone. No amount of lamenting is going to undo the AoS.

We're down to brass tacks.

It happened, it was awful, but it's over.

So now what?




Moving forward, what can Clark do to convince viewers that he's moved on from Lana & that Lois is a contender for "the love of my life" slot? I believe (and I may be in the minority) that he's doing the right things. Others think not. That's what we need to figure out.

Yep. Wishing for no clois (as I do. I am not a shipper right now) is also futile, because it's going to happen. So can they glue the broken pieces together in an acceptable way?

I don't know. I think Hex showed it is possible. However, it also depends on a lot of "real life" factors. Are the other writers up to the task? I don't know.

Has Welling been given more creative control over his character? I hope so. It might mitigate some of the risk of bringing Lana back towards the end of next season. If Welling has a say, I don't think Clark would regress.

[Jade4813]

I felt that "Hex" showed a confused and "in denial" Clark as much as "Infamous" did.

I agree. (Shocking, I know, as I NEVER agree with you!) I think that was shown in his slightly different behavior between how he was with EDChloe pretending to be Lois in the beginning and how he was with EDChloe when he thought she was Lois right after being Hexed again. Okay, this is a hard episode to talk about in some respects. :p

I wish I could do a screencap link to show you what I'm talking about, but I must adhere to the 1 week rule. *sigh* Anyway, look at Clark's face when he catches "Lois" at the beginning and he looks down at her and then at how he looks at her right after he's been hexed. His expression in the former is much more guarded.

Also, I thought it was interesting that he had no objection to showing Lois his framed Rules after his hex, but he did when he was back to his usual self. Since at the time of his hex, he thought EDChloe was Lois again, his reluctance at the end couldn't be because it was LOIS and not CHLOE he was showing them to. And yet it is clear that he IS reluctant to show her, in the end.

I think that does help to show that, at present, he's confused about his feelings for her. Part of that has to do, it seems, with his past with Lana. Part of it has to do with his secret. I think the two may be related, as well - as someone pointed out earlier, I think. Either way, I do think that his behavior in Hex - particularly the difference between his hexed behavior and his behavior otherwise - do show his confusion when it comes to his feelings for Lois and the general place where his head is at right now.

[jlbtjb316]

I think Clark realizes that he has to move on and that he is in the process of doing so. As for what Clark's feelings are for Lois, I think this is a difficult time for Clark, and I am not sure that he knows what he is feeling at this point. In the past Clark has pursued relationships with Chloe, Kyla and Alicia when he could not be with Lana. It is understandable that he longs for that type of love and companionship again now that he cannot be with Lana. We know that TPTB plan to follow the Superman mythos and have him end up with Lois, but as of now I think he cares for her and thinks that maybe there could be more between them but is unsure what to do given the complexities of his life. After Infamous, he will naturally feel once again that it is too dangerous to share his secret with anyone. He knows that if he tries to have a relationship with Lois without telling her his secret, he will have to constantly lie to her and that would be both hurtful and unfair to her and would damage the foundation of trust necessary to have a healthy relationship. He needs time to figure out if he can ever have a normal human love relationship and how to share his secret while protecting his identity and the lives of those he cares about (dual identity). He also needs to think about the Fortress and completing his training and how that might impact a romantic relationship. I think it is wise for him to try to work through some of these issues before entering into another romantic relationship.

I agree with some of the other posts that this season has not flowed well, but I don’t feel the Lana arc was the problem. I am glad that Kristin agreed to come back for her 5 episode arc as I felt that the DVD breakup with Clark last season was a very poor way to end one of the major relationships on the show. To me, TPTB made a mistake early this season by all of sudden having Lois have feelings for Clark and then having the almost-kiss in Bride when they knew that KK was coming back for her five episode arc. I think it was simply too early to try to develop some sort of Clois relationship with the Clana relationship still unresolved. It's not like they didn't know that KK was coming back and had to throw something together at the last minute.

During the Lana arc, I thought the writers tried to remain true to what has always been shown on this show – that Clark loves Lana and Lana loves Clark. They did not disrespect the Clana relationship, and they have not tainted (in my view) the love that Clark will have for Lois in the future. I like the fact that the writers did not pit Lana and Lois against each other and put down one relationship to make the other look superior. I think that by ending the Clark and Lana relationship with them still in love was one way that they could show both loves of Clark without disrespecting either relationship. Just because Clark loved Lana does mean that he will not truly love Lois in the future, and just because he loves Lois in the future does not mean that he did not truly love Lana. It will always be difficult to compare the two relationships because Lana and Lois are both very different people and their histories with Clark are very different. In addition, when Clark and Lois do eventually get together, Clark will also be a different person than he was with Lana. He will love them both at different times in his life, and each love will be beautiful in its own way. To me, it is not necessary to say that one relationship is better than the other.

Though Lana has had her faults (as have all the characters), I feel that many of the criticisms leveled against her are overly harsh. In the past both Lana and Clark have failed each other at times because of secrecy (even if it was well intentioned). For the most part when they were a couple, Lana loved him, believed in him, supported him, reached out to him, encouraged him, and challenged him. I think they understood each other, and they also laughed and had fun together (too bad the writers left most of this in offscreenville and kept them mired in angst and pain onscreen). I don’t think they were in denial about each others’ faults and confronted each other about them when necessary. Both Lana and Clark tend to see the best in others, and so even though they both made mistakes and failed each other at times, they continued to love and reach out to each other despite their flaws and shortcomings. When Lana almost lost her way in Season 7, Clark reached out to her and helped her redirect her life toward the goal of helping people as she had always wanted. In Requiem, she returned the favor by reminding him of what he believed in when he went after Lex.

It would not have gone the route of giving Lana super powers if I had been one of the writers, but I also didn’t feel like she was a bad person for seeking to wear the suit. Lana knew that the technology could not end up in Lex's hands because of the harm that he could inflict on others. Having once had Clark's powers, maybe she saw the potential to enhance her own abilities to help people even more than she normally would be able to. It's true that she could have simply destroyed the technology, but maybe she didn’t want something that could be used to help so many people to be wasted. She knows that whoever wears the suit could be a threat to Clark and knows that if she were to wear the suit that she would not only be able to do good on a much larger scale than she normally would but would not have to worry about it being used to harm Clark. If the technology had been used by someone else, Lana would have no way of ensuring that it would be used for good and that it would not be used against Clark. Maybe that’s why she wanted to wear it herself. Regardless of why she chose to wear the suit instead of destroying it, I thought they tried to make it very clear that she wanted the suit so that she could "imprint this stamp of positivity on the world" as Carter said. Indeed, Imra in Legion verifies that Lana does use her powers for good. Lana herself tells Tess that she did not put the suit on for protection but so that she could do good in the world. The writers could have done a much better job with the whole concept, but I think they tried to show that she has learned from her past mistakes and has searched her heart and motivations and worked to prepare herself for the responsibility and sacrifices that come with wearing the suit. It seemed to me that she did this because it is how she wanted to good in this world. Some feel that her character was not redeemed, that she deserved everything that happened to her and that she should not be forgiven. I feel that she did learn from her mistakes and truly wanted to help make the world a better place. In the end, though, the main reason that she put on the suit was because the writers wanted to use it as a plot device to permanently infect her with kryptonite and end the Clana relationship.

Given the unusual nature of their problem, I thought that Lana leaving was probably one of the kindest things that she could do for herself and for Clark. If KK hadn't left, TPTB may have tried to keep Clark and Lana together while dragging out a cure, but since they didn't have that option I think they tried to come up with a way to separate them that would be insurmountable. In the minds of the characters, there is no way to solve the problem. The only one that could help them is Dr. Grohl, and Lana said that she had been working with him and they had tried everything that they could to reverse the process. There are no other experts in alien nano-technology that they can consult to try to remove the kryptonite. Lana knows that Clark would probably continue to try to go near her, and she could not bear for him to continue to put himself through that pain, nor could she bear it. It is also understandable to me that she would find it painful to stick around and watch Clark from afar go on with his life and find someone else. She also knows that if she stays, he will once again be distracted from his destiny by trying to find a cure for her. By leaving, she loves him enough to let him go and allow him to try to move on and be happy and fulfill his destiny. I think it would be a mistake at this point to try and bring Lana's character back, and so I hope they will leave the Clana relationship as it is and take their time in developing the Clois relationship.

Sorry for the lengthy post. I have enjoyed reading everyone’s thoughts.

[eas]

Anyway, I must vamoose. It's been a pleasure. :D

It has been. I have to take off myself.

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I second and third that!

Alania... you've got some great points. Unfortunately, I have to dash so I can't answer them right now. But I will at some point tonight! :)

[herolee10]

well I don't think Clark's downright madly in love with Lois...well not yet..lol

But I believe that at this point, Clark is falling hard for Lois..something that he's been trying to avoid...the same thing that Lois was trying to avoid as well at the beginning of the season, and look how that worked for her..lol

I believe that the reasons why Clark is so hesitant in acknowledging his feelings for Lois is because of his secret and the threat it may pose on her life.

As shown in Infamous, it's not that he doesn't trust her..far from it...he's afraid to lose her the way he lost so many others because of his secret...Pete..Lana..Lionel..etc.

Lois is special to Clark, and he knows it..he acknowledges that she has become a important part of his life now.

Clark made a conscious decision at the end of Infamous that he believes that he's destined to live life alone because of his duties as the hero..that he can't have both because of the dangers it would place on his loved ones.

Like that saying, actions speak louder than words...and clearly, Clark's actions have been saying a lot on how he feels for Lois.

Like I said earlier, Clark's at the same point where Lois was at in the end of Instinct, where she realized that she couldn't deny her feelings for him any longer, but was afraid to act on them, because it was so new to her. Here, it's no different, this is new to Clark, because this is the first time where he's fallen for someone who he started out just as friends.

All of Clark's ex's, including Lana, he never started out as friends just with them, as there was always the thought of having something more with them right away, especially with Lana.

I think that just as Chloe told him at the talon, Clark's going to realize that he doesn't want to look back at Lois and wonder what could have been, and he knows that Lois won't be single forever because she is a great catch for anyone, and Clark knows that.

So sooner or later he'll realize that he does want to be with her, and go for it, and Clark will learn that he could in fact be in love again and love more harder then ever before.

[Mickey_Bickey]

I truly hope so Michele. I truly hope so. The same way I (stupidly) hoped before Bride, Infamous, and Hex. The problem is Superman did not have romantic feelings for Lana in post-crisis, current DC continuity, guilt-ridden, maybe, but not romantic. The way this show has changed so many things has lead me to doubt whether we will ever see full-blown Clois on this show (in this distant future), even if it is end-game.

Believe me, Charlotte, I had my share of irate feelings toward the writers and producers for that horrendous piece of garbage they aired for Lana's "heroic sendoff"! I could go on a tear, but I'll spare us all!:lol: I think and I hope, really hope that everything they're giving us now in terms of Lois and Clark is happening for a reason, and that reason being that they give us full blown Clois. I mean if they can give us full blown Clana drama for years on end I certainly hope that they can give us a full blown Clois for the final season! I don't know how they're going to do it exactly, but my feeling is that we'll have a coming together (as ED said in her December interview) in the finale that perhaps gets interrupted by Doomsday then they continue building on it into next season.


The way I see it, that AoS demands that they take the Clois slow, if it has any chance to be credible. I'm good with that. However, I would prefer that the build-up is now firmly with Clark, and his shows of affection (if that's what they are) become, as time goes on, less and less ambiguous. In a way, one could argue that what's done is done, but I'm annoyed that they want us to get excited about every Clois bone they're throwing at us, so soon after this Lana arc.

I agree that the feelings must now be shown from Clark's POV, and it's imperative that the writers demonstrate from here on out that Clark is falling in love with Lois more and more. I do believe that Hex was more than a bone. It was meat! That's why for the first time since Bride I was 100% happy with the Clois! Actually, although a tad angsty, I really liked the ending of Infamous, and the more I watched that the more I appreciated and liked it.


Realistically, I wish they would concentrate on the Clois friendship, than the romance for this season, although my Clois heart may want something dramatic for the season finale if Clark is going to die.

They have always focussed on the Clark and Lois friendship, and I have to say that's what seperates their relationship from the rest. It's based on a solid foundation! I hope for some juicey Clois scene in the finale to hold me over until next season!!:D;)


I loved Batman, I mean Ollie :p, and Lollie, but that's a different matter.

I think you and Melissa (Melissan02) are soulmates!:lol: That's a compliment BTW!:)


If they get Clark right this season, and show me that this is the boy who would be Superman, more than "the Emasculation of Clark Kent", I can forgive them to a certain degree.

:lol:


That's what I want. And I'm glad for BQM. I don't want Lois to feel sad, I want her to stop wearing her heart on her sleeve, I want her to try and move on, so that Clark knows he will have to try very, very hard to get past her walls. And I agree that they're not a romantic couple, but TPTB are trying to get us excited about Clois as a romantic couple with all the bones they throw out, and I'm not going to fall for that easily again.

She is moving on "seemingly" although her heart will still secretly belong to Clark. I've always seen romantic sparks between them, but that's because I enjoy that "type" of couple like Rhett Butler and Scarlett O'Hara or Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennett! I'm a true romantic at heart, but the boring smooth sailing couples have never excited me much! I love the banter, chemistry, sexual tension and sometimes jealous between Clark and Lois! It's what the legendary pairings of made of!:D

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Michele, i love your posts, they always make me think through a different light, since i'm always so harsh and pessimist about this show! That Keeps getting better video i watch all the time, it screams Lois Lane! And i agree with you, the look he had at the end of Hex was a cool one, in fact all that scene was ok for me, cause it wasn't pushing any sort of feelings, just Lois and Clark coming back to their light and fun friendship. That scene i keep waching over and over, the way Clark was reluctant in showing the framed rules but he knows he can never escape from her, so, he might as well just give in!! :lol:


Give in, Alania!! Give in!!! Be swept away with me on our Clois journey!!!!!!!!!!:);)

[melissan02]

I do believe that Hex was more than a bone. It was meat! That's why for the first time since Bride I was 100% happy with the Clois! Well, you should have left some meat on there, Michelle, because all I got was a dang bone!:(:lol: Sorry, but I'm still not happy w/ Clois. If you're at 100%, then perhaps I'm about at...oh...say...20%!:p And ED makes up 19 of that 20 percent!:D




I think you and Melissa (Melissan02) are soulmates!:lol: That's a compliment BTW!:) Aww, thanks Michelle! :) *huggles*

I saw Charlotte's slip about Batman in reference to Ollie. I didn't say anything then, but Ollie could never be, and will never be, the BATMAN!;) Not even Clark!:p






Give in, Alania!! Give in!!! Be swept away with me on our Clois journey!!!!!!!!!!:);)
No Alania! No! Be safe! Stay w/ me in our little dinghy floating alongside the Clois ship! Don't let yourself be caught up in emotion...stay strong!:lol:

[herolee10]

well one thing is for sure, Clark better be thankful that bruce wayne hasn't paid a visit to Metropolis as of yet to meet Lois, otherwise, Clark may never have a chance at the rate he's going..lol

yeah, I agree with Michele...from here on, we have to see the feelings from Clark's side now. They've taken Lois's feelings as far as they can go without making her pine or do something Lana like.

Now it's Clark's turn to show how he feels. And we're already half way there. The feelings are there..but they're having a hard time coming out.

But just like Lois said so famously in Instinct...once his feelings keep repeatedly hitting on top of his surface..sooner or later they'll have their climax and Clark won't be able to hold it in any longer...his feelings I mean...lol

[Alania]

Give in, Alania!! Give in!!! Be swept away with me on our Clois journey!!!!!!!!!!:);)




No Alania! No! Be safe! Stay w/ me in our little dinghy floating alongside the Clois ship! Don't let yourself be caught up in emotion...stay strong!:lol:

No, Michele, i said Clark give in, and hand her whatever she asks for, which, in that case, was the framed rules. Cause he can never escape Lois Lane!:cool: Baby blues will not melt me, he's on probation for me!!!!!:lol: I'm staying strong!!!

[Mickey_Bickey]

Well, you should have left some meat on there, Michelle, because all I got was a dang bone!:(:lol: Sorry, but I'm still not happy w/ Clois. If you're at 100%, then perhaps I'm about at...oh...say...20%!:p And ED makes up 19 of that 20 percent!:D

It was very tasty, Melissa, I have to say!!:lol: I believe it was a T-Bone if I wasn't mistaken!:lol:



Aww, thanks Michelle! :) *huggles*

I saw Charlotte's slip about Batman in reference to Ollie. I didn't say anything then, but Ollie could never be, and will never be, the BATMAN!;) Not even Clark!:p

Oh, I'll put my TW against your CB anytime!! Game on!!;):D




No Alania! No! Be safe! Stay w/ me in our little dinghy floating alongside the Clois ship! Don't let yourself be caught up in emotion...stay strong!:lol:

Oh, Melissa! You forgot about my trump card, the Clois Smell of Desire!:lol:

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No, Michele, i said Clark give in, and hand her whatever she asks for, which, in that case, was the framed rules. Cause he can never escape Lois Lane!:cool: Baby blues will not melt me, he's on probation for me!!!!!:lol: I'm staying strong!!!

No, Alania it's weak to be filled with all this anti-Clois energy! Come with me, and I'll strengthen you again!!:lol:

You and Melissa need a glass of the Clois kool-aid I'm serving up!!:cool:;):lol:

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T-bone, huh? No wonder you're happy!:rotfl:

Let the games begin!! ;) You do know in the comics (according to Superherofan87, Joe) that every single time Bruce and Clark fight, Bruce OWNS Clark, don't you?:p Joe has said that he wishes they'd do that on SV, as it would be the most hilarious episode ever!! I have to agree!:rotfl:
Oh, and here's my first move in the CB v. TW game:6692
** There's plenty more in my hard drive where that came from! ;):lol:

Well, well! I didn't know that! Isn't Joe full of useless information!:lol: No offense, Joe! I'm just joking!!;)



As long as it's spiked w/ a little something something...I'll drink up!;)

Of course!! Is there any other way to convert you!!??:lol:


http://www.girl.com.au/img/tom_welling_smallville1.jpg

Take that!!!

[Jack-El49]

It was very tasty, Melissa, I have to say!!:lol: I believe it was a T-Bone if I wasn't mistaken!:lol:




Oh, I'll put my TW against your CB anytime!! Game on!!;):D





Oh, Melissa! You forgot about my trump card, the Clois Smell of Desire!:lol:

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No, Alania it's weak to be filled with all this anti-Clois energy! Come with me, and I'll strengthen you again!!:lol:

You and Melissa need a glass of the Clois kool-aid I'm serving up!!:cool:;):lol:

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Well, well! I didn't know that! Isn't Joe full of useless information!:lol: No offense, Joe! I'm just joking!!;)




Of course!! Is there any other way to convert you!!??:lol:


http://www.girl.com.au/img/tom_welling_smallville1.jpg

Take that!!!

Girls...girls! Please - no catfighting among Cloisers! Jello-wrestling is fine, cat fights are out of the question. ;)

[melissan02]

It was very tasty, Melissa, I have to say!!:lol: I believe it was a T-Bone if I wasn't mistaken!:lol: T-bone, huh? No wonder you're happy!:rotfl:





Oh, I'll put my TW against your CB anytime!! Game on!!;):D Then let the games begin!;)
You are aware that in the comics (according to Superherofan87, Joe) that each and everytime Bruce and Clark fight, the "Bat" OWNS Clark, don't you?:p Joe has said that he wishes they'd do that on SV, as it would be the most hilarious episode ever! I have to agree!:rotfl:
I like TW and all, and he's certainly easy on the eyes, but when it comes to Bale, not just looks alone, but as an actor, Bale's on a completely different level, ya know? Think about it...The Machinist, The Prestige, Equilibrium, American Psycho, 3:10 to Yuma, and Laurel Canyon to name a few...not to mention, Batman Begins and TDK!

So, here's my first move in the CB v. TW game:
66936694


**There's plenty more stored on my hard drive where those came from, BTW!;):D









You and Melissa need a glass of the Clois kool-aid I'm serving up!!:cool:;):lol:As long as it's spiked with a little somethin' somethin', count me in!;)

[Mickey_Bickey]

Girls...girls! Please - no catfighting among Cloisers! Jello-wrestling is fine, cat fights are out of the question. ;)

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[melissan02]

^^^ ****Please note: I have both of those pics in GIANT size;), but figured it would take up too much room here...so if any of you gals (or guys) are interested, I'll shoot them to ya! ;)

[Mickey_Bickey]

T-bone, huh? No wonder you're happy!:rotfl:



Then let the games begin!;)
You are aware that in the comics (according to Superherofan87, Joe) that each and everytime Bruce and Clark fight, the "Bat" OWNS Clark, don't you?:p Joe has said that he wishes they'd do that on SV, as it would be the most hilarious episode ever! I have to agree!:rotfl:
I like TW and all, and he's certainly easy on the eyes, but when it comes to Bale, not just looks alone, but as an actor, Bale's on a completely different level, ya know? Think about it...The Machinist, The Prestige, Equilibrium, American Psycho, 3:10 to Yuma, and Laurel Canyon to name a few...not to mention, Batman Begins and TDK!

So, here's my first move in the CB v. TW game:
66936694


**There's plenty more stored on my hard drive where those came from, BTW!;):D






As long as it's spiked with a little somethin' somethin', count me in!;)

Somehow I answered these! You must have been modifying your post, because my responses are above!:lol:


BTW:

http://myhollywooddream.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/smallville-clark.jpg

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^^^ ****Please note: I have both of those pics in GIANT size;), but figured it would take up too much room here...so if any of you gals (or guys) are interested, I'll shoot them to ya! ;)

They're more likely to ask for mine!;):lol:

[melissan02]

^^^^^ We shall see!:lol:


Just remember: Batman is the bada**!;)

[Alania]

No, Alania it's weak to be filled with all this anti-Clois energy! Come with me, and I'll strengthen you again!!:lol:

You and Melissa need a glass of the Clois kool-aid I'm serving up!!:cool:;):lol:


What's that? A kind of Clois smoochie?! :lol: If i drink that i'll definitely take a drive on the clois highway!! Don't turn me into the dark side (or would it be light side?), Michele, u know i can't resist my ship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




BTW:

http://myhollywooddream.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/smallville-clark.jpg

They're more likely to ask for mine!;):lol:

*stares without blinking*. Nope, sorry, Mel, but TW is the winner! I'll stick with him, even if he's not convincing me yet!!!:p

[melissan02]

*stares without blinking*. Nope, sorry, Mel, but TW is the winner! I'll stick with him, even if he's not convincing me yet!!!:p
Alania:mad:...all I have to say is what Bale said...ahem, recently:o:

Professionally, you and me are f***in' done!





:rotfl:;) I'm just kidding, my friend! You know you've been my rock solid supporter here lately...and I thank you! Just messin' w/ ya!

[Alania]

Alania:mad:...all I have to say is what Bale said...ahem, recently:o:

Professionally, you and me are f***in' done!





:rotfl:;) I'm just kidding, my friend! You know you've been my rock solid supporter here lately...and I thank you! Just messin' w/ ya!

Hey, Mel, but i'm not totally dismissing hot CB/Bruce! We don't know where Lois will be next week, her assignment migh be off town and the guy from first class who asked her out...:p It's no secret Bruce is loaded! :p

[Snowfire]

I think Clark realizes that he has to move on and that he is in the process of doing so. As for what Clark's feelings are for Lois, I think this is a difficult time for Clark, and I am not sure that he knows what he is feeling at this point. In the past Clark has pursued relationships with Chloe, Kyla and Alicia when he could not be with Lana. It is understandable that he longs for that type of love and companionship again now that he cannot be with Lana. We know that TPTB plan to follow the Superman mythos and have him end up with Lois, but as of now I think he cares for her and thinks that maybe there could be more between them but is unsure what to do given the complexities of his life. After Infamous, he will naturally feel once again that it is too dangerous to share his secret with anyone. He knows that if he tries to have a relationship with Lois without telling her his secret, he will have to constantly lie to her and that would be both hurtful and unfair to her and would damage the foundation of trust necessary to have a healthy relationship. He needs time to figure out if he can ever have a normal human love relationship and how to share his secret while protecting his identity and the lives of those he cares about (dual identity). He also needs to think about the Fortress and completing his training and how that might impact a romantic relationship. I think it is wise for him to try to work through some of these issues before entering into another romantic relationship.

I agree with some of the other posts that this season has not flowed well, but I don’t feel the Lana arc was the problem. I am glad that Kristin agreed to come back for her 5 episode arc as I felt that the DVD breakup with Clark last season was a very poor way to end one of the major relationships on the show. To me, TPTB made a mistake early this season by all of sudden having Lois have feelings for Clark and then having the almost-kiss in Bride when they knew that KK was coming back for her five episode arc. I think it was simply too early to try to develop some sort of Clois relationship with the Clana relationship still unresolved. It's not like they didn't know that KK was coming back and had to throw something together at the last minute.

During the Lana arc, I thought the writers tried to remain true to what has always been shown on this show – that Clark loves Lana and Lana loves Clark. They did not disrespect the Clana relationship, and they have not tainted (in my view) the love that Clark will have for Lois in the future. I like the fact that the writers did not pit Lana and Lois against each other and put down one relationship to make the other look superior. I think that by ending the Clark and Lana relationship with them still in love was one way that they could show both loves of Clark without disrespecting either relationship. Just because Clark loved Lana does mean that he will not truly love Lois in the future, and just because he loves Lois in the future does not mean that he did not truly love Lana. It will always be difficult to compare the two relationships because Lana and Lois are both very different people and their histories with Clark are very different. In addition, when Clark and Lois do eventually get together, Clark will also be a different person than he was with Lana. He will love them both at different times in his life, and each love will be beautiful in its own way. To me, it is not necessary to say that one relationship is better than the other.

Though Lana has had her faults (as have all the characters), I feel that many of the criticisms leveled against her are overly harsh. In the past both Lana and Clark have failed each other at times because of secrecy (even if it was well intentioned). For the most part when they were a couple, Lana loved him, believed in him, supported him, reached out to him, encouraged him, and challenged him. I think they understood each other, and they also laughed and had fun together (too bad the writers left most of this in offscreenville and kept them mired in angst and pain onscreen). I don’t think they were in denial about each others’ faults and confronted each other about them when necessary. Both Lana and Clark tend to see the best in others, and so even though they both made mistakes and failed each other at times, they continued to love and reach out to each other despite their flaws and shortcomings. When Lana almost lost her way in Season 7, Clark reached out to her and helped her redirect her life toward the goal of helping people as she had always wanted. In Requiem, she returned the favor by reminding him of what he believed in when he went after Lex.

It would not have gone the route of giving Lana super powers if I had been one of the writers, but I also didn’t feel like she was a bad person for seeking to wear the suit. Lana knew that the technology could not end up in Lex's hands because of the harm that he could inflict on others. Having once had Clark's powers, maybe she saw the potential to enhance her own abilities to help people even more than she normally would be able to. It's true that she could have simply destroyed the technology, but maybe she didn’t want something that could be used to help so many people to be wasted. She knows that whoever wears the suit could be a threat to Clark and knows that if she were to wear the suit that she would not only be able to do good on a much larger scale than she normally would but would not have to worry about it being used to harm Clark. If the technology had been used by someone else, Lana would have no way of ensuring that it would be used for good and that it would not be used against Clark. Maybe that’s why she wanted to wear it herself. Regardless of why she chose to wear the suit instead of destroying it, I thought they tried to make it very clear that she wanted the suit so that she could "imprint this stamp of positivity on the world" as Carter said. Indeed, Imra in Legion verifies that Lana does use her powers for good. Lana herself tells Tess that she did not put the suit on for protection but so that she could do good in the world. The writers could have done a much better job with the whole concept, but I think they tried to show that she has learned from her past mistakes and has searched her heart and motivations and worked to prepare herself for the responsibility and sacrifices that come with wearing the suit. It seemed to me that she did this because it is how she wanted to good in this world. Some feel that her character was not redeemed, that she deserved everything that happened to her and that she should not be forgiven. I feel that she did learn from her mistakes and truly wanted to help make the world a better place. In the end, though, the main reason that she put on the suit was because the writers wanted to use it as a plot device to permanently infect her with kryptonite and end the Clana relationship.

Given the unusual nature of their problem, I thought that Lana leaving was probably one of the kindest things that she could do for herself and for Clark. If KK hadn't left, TPTB may have tried to keep Clark and Lana together while dragging out a cure, but since they didn't have that option I think they tried to come up with a way to separate them that would be insurmountable. In the minds of the characters, there is no way to solve the problem. The only one that could help them is Dr. Grohl, and Lana said that she had been working with him and they had tried everything that they could to reverse the process. There are no other experts in alien nano-technology that they can consult to try to remove the kryptonite. Lana knows that Clark would probably continue to try to go near her, and she could not bear for him to continue to put himself through that pain, nor could she bear it. It is also understandable to me that she would find it painful to stick around and watch Clark from afar go on with his life and find someone else. She also knows that if she stays, he will once again be distracted from his destiny by trying to find a cure for her. By leaving, she loves him enough to let him go and allow him to try to move on and be happy and fulfill his destiny. I think it would be a mistake at this point to try and bring Lana's character back, and so I hope they will leave the Clana relationship as it is and take their time in developing the Clois relationship.

Sorry for the lengthy post. I have enjoyed reading everyone’s thoughts.

Wonderfully insightful and logical post, even if it did seem to be playing up to the thread. Hey, as much as I don't like what direction they are taking Clark and Lois in it can makes sense if handled properly and respectfully to the story that has been unfolding for 8 years. The lightswitch Clois that has steamrolled through this season, can be forgiven since Lana's return made it quite clear who Clark's heart really belongs to, but I can understand why he would want to move on and rebound with Lois. She's been a good friend and can be a great ally. And deep down she is a good character. I just worry how they are building this relationship on the suffering of other like Clana's and Chlark's. But again if writtern well and in character I can see why Clark would want to be with Lois. Hopefully s9 will have it run its iconic course and for the sake of many Smallville fans (not mythos fans!) we will see Lana's return. Requiem could have ended them for good and left the door wide open for Clois. But instead we got to see just how strong and beautiful that relationship was even with Lex's intervention. If and when Lana returns we may just see another Bride, and have Clana end this series for good. As much as they've tried TBTB can never end Clana. But they can keep Clark busy with Lois in the meantime.:lol:

[Tompouce]

One of the biggest disappointments with Clark is he is so slowwwwwwwww with Lois!!!!!!!!!
I say it everywhere, one of the constant in Clark's character is : he is slow:D
If there is an adjective for this guy (except his magic, stellar and divine's behaviour:p)it is for sure this one. SLOW:lol:;)

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I think you and Melissa (Melissan02) are soulmates!:lol: That's a compliment BTW!:)
Give in, Alania!! Give in!!! Be swept away with me on our Clois journey!!!!!!!!!!:);)
As always, I have to agree with Michèle on this too. Melissa, Alania:D:p;)

[Sports72Xtrm]

^^^^^ We shall see!:lol:


Just remember: Batman is the bada**!;)

Batman maybe a badass, but when Bruce gets a flying around the world so fast to stop missile rockets and reverses time itself gadget in his utility belt...well...let me know:p;)

[melissan02]

Batman maybe a badass, but when Bruce gets a flying around the world so fast to stop missile rockets and reverses time itself gadget in his utility belt...well...let me know:p;)

He is the bada**! Need I remind you that Supes may be able to fly, but there it that whole kryptonite thing!;):p----Which the "Bat" doesn't have!;)

[eas]

It is understandable that he longs for that type of love and companionship again now that he cannot be with Lana. We know that TPTB plan to follow the Superman mythos and have him end up with Lois, but as of now I think he cares for her and thinks that maybe there could be more between them but is unsure what to do given the complexities of his life. After Infamous, he will naturally feel once again that it is too dangerous to share his secret with anyone. He knows that if he tries to have a relationship with Lois without telling her his secret, he will have to constantly lie to her and that would be both hurtful and unfair to her and would damage the foundation of trust necessary to have a healthy relationship. He needs time to figure out if he can ever have a normal human love relationship and how to share his secret while protecting his identity and the lives of those he cares about (dual identity). He also needs to think about the Fortress and completing his training and how that might impact a romantic relationship. I think it is wise for him to try to work through some of these issues before entering into another romantic relationship.

I agree on all counts.


During the Lana arc, I thought the writers tried to remain true to what has always been shown on this show – that Clark loves Lana and Lana loves Clark. They did not disrespect the Clana relationship, and they have not tainted (in my view) the love that Clark will have for Lois in the future.

I think that the writers did not disrespect the Clana relationship - but they disrespected Clark.

I do think that the future Clois (and present Clois) was tainted by how Clana ended. Clark should have been able to end things with Lana on his own terms, rather than have Lana "torn" away from him by Fate (or, in this case, Lex Luthor).

And, as far as tainting goes, you can't get any worse than the DP roof-top kiss. That's sacred Clois ground -- to give that to Clana first in the SV world was just disrespectful.


I like the fact that the writers did not pit Lana and Lois against each other and put down one relationship to make the other look superior.

I think that by accelerating Lois's feelings for Clark (especially in "Bride") and removing her from the equation completely during Lana's arc, they DID pit them against each other. And they chose Lana and made it seem that Lana was superior.


I think that by ending the Clark and Lana relationship with them still in love was one way that they could show both loves of Clark without disrespecting either relationship. Just because Clark loved Lana does mean that he will not truly love Lois in the future, and just because he loves Lois in the future does not mean that he did not truly love Lana.

I have no problem believing that he'll love Lois more than he ever loved Lana. The problem I have always had is that he loved Lana AT ALL. Given what he's been through with Lana and the sort of stuff she's pulled, he should have realized that she is not the one for him. It doesn't even have anything to do with Lois.

I cannot believe he truly loved Lana and still respect this man.


It will always be difficult to compare the two relationships because Lana and Lois are both very different people and their histories with Clark are very different. In addition, when Clark and Lois do eventually get together, Clark will also be a different person than he was with Lana. He will love them both at different times in his life, and each love will be beautiful in its own way. To me, it is not necessary to say that one relationship is better than the other.

I don't think it's necessary, either. But I can't say that I agree that Clana was beautiful. I can't even say that I think Clois is all beautiful, to tell you the truth. Clark acted like an idiot with Lana and he's continuing to be somewhat of an idiot with Lois.


Though Lana has had her faults (as have all the characters), I feel that many of the criticisms leveled against her are overly harsh. In the past both Lana and Clark have failed each other at times because of secrecy (even if it was well intentioned).

I agree that both have had faults. I believe Clana was dysfunctional, but I don't believe that it was all Lana's fault.


For the most part when they were a couple, Lana loved him, believed in him, supported him, reached out to him, encouraged him, and challenged him.

Never at the expense of herself, though. In Lana's world, all those things always happened on her terms. And when her terms weren't met, she did things like go off to Paris and come back with Jason. Or ended up working with Lex behind Clark's back.


I think they understood each other, and they also laughed and had fun together (too bad the writers left most of this in offscreenville and kept them mired in angst and pain onscreen).

I'm sure they did laugh and have fun from time to time. But I don't think they understood each other. In fact, Lana quite often pointed out to Clark that he had placed on a very high pedastal and didn't know the real her. Lana was right.


I don’t think they were in denial about each others’ faults and confronted each other about them when necessary.

I saw Lana confronting Clark a lot, but I can't say that I saw Clark do it all that much.


Both Lana and Clark tend to see the best in others, and so even though they both made mistakes and failed each other at times, they continued to love and reach out to each other despite their flaws and shortcomings.

I don't think that Lana tends to see the best in others, at all. In fact, I think she unduly harsh on Clark. And if they continued to reach out to each other, then why did they spend the majority of the 8 years apart? Lana was typically in a relationship with another man the whole time.


When Lana almost lost her way in Season 7, Clark reached out to her and helped her redirect her life toward the goal of helping people as she had always wanted. In Requiem, she returned the favor by reminding him of what he believed in when he went after Lex.

And that was a lesson that Clark had already learned - years ago - and, in fact, even gave Chloe a lecture about it that same episode. Funny how being around Lana makes forget his own ethics. And when Lana lost her way in S7 (I would argue she's been lost for a lot longer than that) he helped her, but he'd do that for anyone.


It would not have gone the route of giving Lana super powers if I had been one of the writers, but I also didn’t feel like she was a bad person for seeking to wear the suit.

No, it doesn't make her bad. But it makes her arrogant. She believes she's above being corrupt? Not when she's been corrupt for so long.


Lana knew that the technology could not end up in Lex's hands because of the harm that he could inflict on others.

So, destroy the suit. Don't put it on yourself. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. She's not above that and it's her arrogance that makes her think she is. It's also rich that she thinks she's better than Lex, when - just a couple of years ago - she prided herself on being just like him.


Having once had Clark's powers, maybe she saw the potential to enhance her own abilities to help people even more than she normally would be able to.

It's a nice dream to have - but not everyone should get a set of powers just because they got the taste of it once. Especially since that taste of power drove her to go kill a man.


It's true that she could have simply destroyed the technology, but maybe she didn’t want something that could be used to help so many people to be wasted.

So, she didn't learn anything from all of Lex's experiments? That this stuff can always end up killing people instead of helping them. Ironically, Tess understood that but Lana - after all she's been through - still didn't get it.


She knows that whoever wears the suit could be a threat to Clark and knows that if she were to wear the suit that she would not only be able to do good on a much larger scale than she normally would but would not have to worry about it being used to harm Clark.

No -- she only found out she could harm Clark AFTER she put it on. Her reasoning for putting it on was not to "protect" Clark. Or even humanity, for that matter. The reason given is that she wants to be with Clark and the only way she'll think she's good enough is if she has the same level of powers he does. She believes that they cannot be together unless she is his "equal".



If the technology had been used by someone else, Lana would have no way of ensuring that it would be used for good and that it would not be used against Clark.

Who is she to decide that? She's basically another Lex Luthor, who believes that she is the one who knows what is the best for mankind and that SHE is the one worthy of wearing a mantle that no one else can.


Regardless of why she chose to wear the suit instead of destroying it, I thought they tried to make it very clear that she wanted the suit so that she could "imprint this stamp of positivity on the world" as Carter said.

That is what they tried to make clear - but it rang false when one looks at Lana's past and the reasoning that has been given for Lana's absence.


Indeed, Imra in Legion verifies that Lana does use her powers for good. Lana herself tells Tess that she did not put the suit on for protection but so that she could do good in the world. The writers could have done a much better job with the whole concept, but I think they tried to show that she has learned from her past mistakes and has searched her heart and motivations and worked to prepare herself for the responsibility and sacrifices that come with wearing the suit. It seemed to me that she did this because it is how she wanted to good in this world. Some feel that her character was not redeemed, that she deserved everything that happened to her and that she should not be forgiven. I feel that she did learn from her mistakes and truly wanted to help make the world a better place. In the end, though, the main reason that she put on the suit was because the writers wanted to use it as a plot device to permanently infect her with kryptonite and end the Clana relationship.

Well, to start out with, I agree that it was a plot device. And it was a BAD one. Now, in terms of Lana's redemption -- I just don't get that. I think that I would be totally OK with a redemption arc for Lana. But that wasn't a redemption arc. That was an arc that opened more questions and created more conflict, rather than resolving things.


Given the unusual nature of their problem, I thought that Lana leaving was probably one of the kindest things that she could do for herself and for Clark. If KK hadn't left, TPTB may have tried to keep Clark and Lana together while dragging out a cure, but since they didn't have that option I think they tried to come up with a way to separate them that would be insurmountable.

Yes, and it was a poor choice on the part of the writers that they left it that way. They knew KK wasn't coming back. This was something they had control over and they chose to leave it in a way that gave Lana "hope" for the future or something.

That doesn't even make sense.


In the minds of the characters, there is no way to solve the problem.

I don't get that. They've each died and come back to life before. One would think that they could talk to MM or Ollie could use his billions to get Dr. Hamilton in on the action.

There are always options and the only reason these options weren't explored was because KK left. Again, that was something that the writers knew - going into the storyline - and they dropped a ball by leaving these questions dangling.


Sorry for the lengthy post. I have enjoyed reading everyone’s thoughts.

No worries. I disagree with most of your post, but I enjoyed reading your thoughts, as well. Looks like we may have to agree to disagree when it comes to the AoS.

[workshyslacker]

So this is where you guys have been while I'm trying to revise.;) Darn it, I just can't keep away.:p


Believe me, Charlotte, I had my share of irate feelings toward the writers and producers for that horrendous piece of garbage they aired for Lana's "heroic sendoff"! I could go on a tear, but I'll spare us all!:lol: I think and I hope, really hope that everything they're giving us now in terms of Lois and Clark is happening for a reason, and that reason being that they give us full blown Clois. I mean if they can give us full blown Clana drama for years on end I certainly hope that they can give us a full blown Clois for the final season! I don't know how they're going to do it exactly, but my feeling is that we'll have a coming together (as ED said in her December interview) in the finale that perhaps gets interrupted by Doomsday then they continue building on it into next season.


*fingers crossed they handle Clois/Lois/Clark right*



I agree that the feelings must now be shown from Clark's POV, and it's imperative that the writers demonstrate from here on out that Clark is falling in love with Lois more and more. I do believe that Hex was more than a bone. It was meat! That's why for the first time since Bride I was 100% happy with the Clois! Actually, although a tad angsty, I really liked the ending of Infamous, and the more I watched that the more I appreciated and liked it.
I thought it was quorn... a meat substitute.:p



I think you and Melissa (Melissan02) are soulmates!:lol: That's a compliment BTW!:)

:lol:
:lol:

BW in the recent Nolan movies is fine.:D



Give in, Alania!! Give in!!! Be swept away with me on our Clois journey!!!!!!!!!!:);)No, stay, Alania. Do not be tempted by the Dark side and these shiny Clois bones... they're not the real thing! You must be "fighting temptations", like Clark ;).



I saw Charlotte's slip about Batman in reference to Ollie. I didn't say anything then, but Ollie could never be, and will never be, the BATMAN!;) Not even Clark!:p


But he is the show's Batman, or the closest we'll ever due to the Bat embargo. He's a playboy billionaire, he dresses up in leather with lots of nifty gadgets, he has a sometimes antagonistic relationship with Clark, he went out with Lois (Superman; the animated series), he has a piece of kryptonite (never told Clarkie, right?)... and he's much cooler than Clark.

He's Batman-lite, and I love him for all the same reasons I love Bats. And on this show, I'll take what I can get. *raises hand* I'd like some Ollie please!



No Alania! No! Be safe! Stay w/ me in our little dinghy floating alongside the Clois ship! Don't let yourself be caught up in emotion...stay strong!:lol:Yes, Alania... you must resist...


But just like Lois said so famously in Instinct...once his feelings keep repeatedly hitting on top of his surface..sooner or later they'll have their climax and Clark won't be able to hold it in any longer...his feelings I mean...lol

You know this can be read the wrong way, right?:D


No, Michele, i said Clark give in, and hand her whatever she asks for, which, in that case, was the framed rules. Cause he can never escape Lois Lane!:cool: Baby blues will not melt me, he's on probation for me!!!!!:lol: I'm staying strong!!!

Good, good, young padawan. This is not the superhero you seek :D.



Oh, I'll put my TW against your CB anytime!! Game on!!;):D

Oh, Melissa! You forgot about my trump card, the Clois Smell of Desire!:lol:


In defence of Brois.. I counter that! Check out the other vids under the same person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEIQE9z6hmk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvEbaPmgzIw&feature=related

and the other ones which you will need to register for full access...:D

And I'll take WB's BW over SV's Clark anyday :\



Batman maybe a badass, but when Bruce gets a flying around the world so fast to stop missile rockets and reverses time itself gadget in his utility belt...well...let me know:p;)

Sure, I'll let you know when SV's Clark dons the cape and boots and can do all the above things you mentioned. As of now, no contest. :D


He is the bada**! Need I remind you that Supes may be able to fly, but there it that whole kryptonite thing!;):p----Which the "Bat" doesn't have!;)

And the Batman can level the playing field with that handy chunk of Kryptonite that Supes GAVE him if he ever went bananas.

The reasons I love Batman over SV's Clark

1. The leather
2. The utility belt
3. He knows what he wants.
4. He knows how to get it.
5. The playboy millonaire facade.. poor baby ;)
6. He'l never fall for Lana ... (poor Lex).. Catwoman? Talia? Zatanna? No contest.

I rest my case.

----- Added 18 Minutes later -----



I think that the writers did not disrespect the Clana relationship - but they disrespected Clark.


They also worshipped Clana.



I do think that the future Clois (and present Clois) was tainted by how Clana ended. Clark should have been able to end things with Lana on his own terms, rather than have Lana "torn" away from him by Fate (or, in this case, Lex Luthor).
And if Lana came back, TPTB would never allow closure, they're incapable of that.



And, as far as tainting goes, you can't get any worse than the DP roof-top kiss. That's sacred Clois ground -- to give that to Clana first in the SV world was just disrespectful.
There are so many moments SV writers have paid homage to (IMO ripped off) from other media where they supplanted Lois' role with Lana, so this doesn't surprise me.

1. Turning back time? "Reckoning" vs STM
2. Going mortal in "Mortal" vs SII
3. DP roof in "Power" vs all other media.
4. Clark falling for Lana first; SV vs all other media

Many more, and I can't be bothered to list them



I have no problem believing that he'll love Lois more than he ever loved Lana. The problem I have always had is that he loved Lana AT ALL. Given what he's been through with Lana and the sort of stuff she's pulled, he should have realized that she is not the one for him. It doesn't even have anything to do with Lois.

I cannot believe he truly loved Lana and still respect this man.
But that's what they sold us, so this is where I fall.



Well, to start out with, I agree that it was a plot device. And it was a BAD one. Now, in terms of Lana's redemption -- I just don't get that. I think that I would be totally OK with a redemption arc for Lana. But that wasn't a redemption arc. That was an arc that opened more questions and created more conflict, rather than resolving things.

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Yes, and it was a poor choice on the part of the writers that they left it that way. They knew KK wasn't coming back. This was something they had control over and they chose to leave it in a way that gave Lana "hope" for the future or something.

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There are always options and the only reason these options weren't explored was because KK left. Again, that was something that the writers knew - going into the storyline - and they dropped a ball by leaving these questions dangling.
Agreed. There are too many plotholes, especially whether Lana will or won't be there during "Doomsday". But I've made that point several posts back.

[melissan02]

*fingers crossed they handle Clois/Lois/Clark right* I've had my fingers crossed so long on this one, I think they're permanently crossed now!:lol:


I thought it was quorn... a meat substitute.:p Eww, I'll take the bone!


BW in the recent Nolan movies is fine.:D A resounding AMEN! AMEN!:D


No, stay, Alania. Do not be tempted by the Dark side and these shiny Clois bones... they're not the real thing! You must be "fighting temptations", like Clark ;). Yes, Alania. Resist dark side. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny!:p



But he is the show's Batman, or the closest we'll ever due to the Bat embargo. He's a playboy billionaire, he dresses up in leather with lots of nifty gadgets, he has a sometimes antagonistic relationship with Clark, he went out with Lois (Superman; the animated series), he has a piece of kryptonite (never told Clarkie, right?)... and he's much cooler than Clark.

He's Batman-lite, and I love him for all the same reasons I love Bats. And on this show, I'll take what I can get. *raises hand* I'd like some Ollie please!
I do agree w/ you on Ollie as SV's version of Bruce Wayne. Too many similarities to ignore. And YES, he's cooler than Clark!

I love Ollie...I'd like a piece of him!:D (preferably just below the waistline!;)) I hope we get more Ollie in S9!






You know this can be read the wrong way, right?:D Great minds think alike...or is it, naughty minds?;)




Good, good, young padawan. This is not the superhero you seek :D. No, Clark's no where near the superhero right now...not at all. (ducks from rotten tomatoes being thrown my way....)












In defence of Brois.. I counter that! Check out the other vids under the same person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEIQE9z6hmk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvEbaPmgzIw&feature=related

and the other ones which you will need to register for full access...:D

And I'll take WB's BW over SV's Clark anyday :\ I've watched those videos MORE than a few times;)...yes, even the NC-17 versions!:o Hot, hot, hot, and hot! 'Nuff said!
And hands down I take BALE/Batman over SV/Clark anyday!
To each his own I suppose though....





Sure, I'll let you know when SV's Clark dons the cape and boots and can do all the above things you mentioned. As of now, no contest. :D There will never be a contest between the BAT and Supes. Too much of an advantage over Supes...unfair! Poor thing!:p




And the Batman can level the playing field with that handy chunk of Kryptonite that Supes GAVE him if he ever went bananas. Clark pretty much went bananas recently during that Lana arc. :rolleyes: We needed the BAT to come knock him silly with that chunk of kryptonite!


The reasons I love Batman over SV's Clark

1. The leather
2. The utility belt
3. He knows what he wants.
4. He knows how to get it.
5. The playboy millonaire, facade.. poor baby ;)
6. He'l never fall for Lana ... (poor Lex).. Catwoman? Talia? Zatanna? No contest.

I rest my case.

#5 should read "billionaire" instead of "millionaire". BW's worth is astronomical!
I agree w/ you on all points...especially the he knows what he wants and knows how to get it! Reckon SV's Clark will ever get to that point? Eh,...I don't hold out much hope. He'd have to ask permission first!:rolleyes:

[workshyslacker]

Yes, Alania. Resist dark side. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny!:p

Yayy! Another SW's geek!



I love Ollie...I'd like a piece of him!:D (preferably just below the waistline!;)) I hope we get more Ollie in S9!
:eek::rotfl:



Great minds think alike...or is it, naughty minds?;)
I'll have you know my mind works on MANY levels..... including the gutter.:D



No, Clark's no where near the superhero right now...not at all. (ducks from rotten tomatoes being thrown my way....)
*Deflects them with the Force*



I've watched those videos MORE than a few times;)...yes, even the NC-17 versions!:o Hot, hot, hot, and hot! 'Nuff said!
And hands down I take BALE/Batman over SV/Clark anyday!
To each his own I suppose though....
Agreed!



#5 should read "billionaire" instead of "millionaire". BW's worth is astronomical!
I agree w/ you on all points...especially the he knows what he wants and knows how to get it! Reckon SV's Clark will ever get to that point? Eh,...I don't hold out much hope. He'd have to ask permission first!:rolleyes:He was originally a millionaire, so whoops, slip of the tongue.;) That's what you get with inflation.. more bang for your buck.:p

[Alania]

No, stay, Alania. Do not be tempted by the Dark side and these shiny Clois bones... they're not the real thing! You must be "fighting temptations", like Clark ;).


Yes, Alania... you must resist...

Yay, girls!! I'm at work and trying hard to hold my laughs here! Yes i will be fighting temptations and i won't taste savories clois bones!!:lol: I almost gave in to Michele's kool-aid drink, but i'm still a frustrated cloiser, that won't change any time soon!:\


Good, good, young padawan. This is not the superhero you seek :D.

Certainly not yet! That's the purpouse of probation:D. Development, i need some more! I can't work with puppy eyes or hints of jealousy!


Yes, Alania. Resist dark side. Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny!:p

:lol: I'm resisting every step of the way! And resisting Michele's Clois smoochie drink!:D


Clark pretty much went bananas recently during that Lana arc. :rolleyes: We needed the BAT to come knock him silly with that chunk of kryptonite!

That arc.............. That's why i need much more to start believing in Clark kent's feelings again.:\

[Tatiana]

I think he has deep feelings for her, he cares a lot for her and feels an amazing attraction, sexually and emotionally, more than friend for sure. He is not completely in love though

[jlbtjb316]

One of the problems with the writing on Smallville is that it is so inconsistent from week to week and often so ambiguous that it is difficult to determine the true thoughts, feelings and motivations of the characters. Many things are simply left up to interpretation. I appreciate your thoughtful and respectful response to my post and had a few additional comments based on your response.



I think that by accelerating Lois's feelings for Clark (especially in "Bride") and removing her from the equation completely during Lana's arc, they DID pit them against each other. And they chose Lana and made it seem that Lana was superior.


I don't feel that Clark chose Lana over Lois in this arc. Clark has been in an on-again, off-again romantic relationship with Lana almost since the beginning of the show and did not have that type of relationship with Lois at that point. He had not led her on or been romantically involved with her. He still loved Lana and understandably tried to see if there was a way to make their relationship work. I think it would have been more hurtful towards Lois' character to have her around during the Lana arc knowing that she had feelings for Clark. I do agree that it was in poor taste to show Lois' feelings for Clark so early in the season and to have the almost-kiss in Bride when they knew they were going to have Clark and Lana together during her arc. I don't know why they did this because I think it upset both Clana fans and Clois fans.




I have no problem believing that he'll love Lois more than he ever loved Lana. The problem I have always had is that he loved Lana AT ALL. Given what he's been through with Lana and the sort of stuff she's pulled, he should have realized that she is not the one for him. It doesn't even have anything to do with Lois.

I cannot believe he truly loved Lana and still respect this man.


Some might say the same for Lana. Given what she went through with Clark and the sort of stuff he's pulled, some might question why she would want to be in a relationship with him. I think deep down that Clark and Lana are alike in many ways. They are both kind and compassionate and want to find a way to help others. In many ways I think they have both felt like outsiders and want the normal life that they have never had. They both want to be loved and accepted for who they are, and in some indescribable way they just appear to be drawn to each other. Clark, I think, admired Lana's willingness to go against what other people thought she should be or do to try to find her own place in the world. I think he also admired her desire to reach out and help those in need and her hard work at the Talon. It seems that he always saw a strength in her that even she did not realize she had, and Lana, I think, saw the hero in Clark before she ever knew his secret. It is true that they have made some terrible mistakes in their relationship along the way (sometimes with good intentions), but in each other they found that love, acceptance, and companionship that they longed for (especially after Clark revealed his secret to her).




Never at the expense of herself, though. In Lana's world, all those things always happened on her terms. And when her terms weren't met, she did things like go off to Paris and come back with Jason. Or ended up working with Lex behind Clark's back.

We will have to agree to disagree as you said. I think that Lana tried over and over again to reach out to Clark and to understand him. When he broke things off with her and pushed her away, she understandably attempted to move on with her life. He had told her that he could not be in a relationship with her, and though she still loved him she went to Paris to try to get over him. From her point of view it seemed that Clark was unwilling to be in a relationship with her but that he wanted her to stay around but not be in a relationship with anyone else. She gave him every chance to change his mind up until the last minute, but he did not show up. It is true that there were extenuating circumstances, but she did not know that. As for working with Lex behind Clark's back, she had tried to talk to Clark about the spaceship and work with him, but he shut her down every time. She thought Lex was her friend and understandably was curious if the two meteor showers were related. She did not know the truth about Lex or why Clark was so unwilling to support her. When she did tell Clark about her work with Lex, I felt for both Lana and Clark because I understood where both were coming from.



I'm sure they did laugh and have fun from time to time. But I don't think they understood each other. In fact, Lana quite often pointed out to Clark that he had placed on a very high pedastal and didn't know the real her. Lana was right.

I agree that they did not completely understand each other and that Clark had placed Lana on a pedestal at times. I think Clark sometimes overlooked Lana's actions because he felt responsible for them, and sometimes Lana tried to hide part of herself from Clark for fear of disappointing him. Couples do this all the time, but it doesn't make them bad people or necessarily bad for each other. It is also true that Lana could not really understand Clark until he shared the truth about himself with her. Despite all that, I think they understood each other's feelings and really connected on an emotional level. Clark knew Lana's desire to feel safe and loved and her heart for helping people, and Lana understood Clark's innate sense of justice and his need to help others.



I saw Lana confronting Clark a lot, but I can't say that I saw Clark do it all that much.

I think Clark was more reluctant because many times he felt responsible for what had happened, but there were many times such as Dichotic, Splinter (I think), Wrath, Siren etc.



I don't think that Lana tends to see the best in others, at all. In fact, I think she unduly harsh on Clark. And if they continued to reach out to each other, then why did they spend the majority of the 8 years apart? Lana was typically in a relationship with another man the whole time.

Neither Lana nor Clark always looks for the best in others, but when they are in a relationship with someone (friendship or otherwise) they tend to trust to a fault sometimes. Lana was reluctant to believe anything bad about Adam, Jason or Lex. I do agree that sometimes she was harsh on Clark, but I understood why from her point of view. His behavior at times was hurtful and unexplainable. We understood why, but she did not, and Clark could not / would not explain things to her. Everytime he broke things off with her and she tried to move on, he would try to warn her about any new relationship she entered. To her, it seemed like he didn't want her but didn't want anyone else to have her either. He was trying to protect her, but she didn't understand that.



And that was a lesson that Clark had already learned - years ago - and, in fact, even gave Chloe a lecture about it that same episode. Funny how being around Lana makes forget his own ethics. And when Lana lost her way in S7 (I would argue she's been lost for a lot longer than that) he helped her, but he'd do that for anyone.

I don't think Clark would have actually killed Lex, just like I don't think he would have actually killed the guy who killed Alicia. He would have probably stopped himself, just like he stopped himself from killing Jonathan on RedK. Lois and Lana were there to remind him of what he believed. I think Lana's statement to Clark was more to show what she had learned and truly believed than a statement to actually stop Clark from killing.



No, it doesn't make her bad. But it makes her arrogant. She believes she's above being corrupt? Not when she's been corrupt for so long.

So, destroy the suit. Don't put it on yourself. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. She's not above that and it's her arrogance that makes her think she is. It's also rich that she thinks she's better than Lex, when - just a couple of years ago - she prided herself on being just like him.

I don't believe that Lana prided herself on being evil like Lex. When she initially got together with Lex, she truly believed that he loved her and that he had changed (e.g. Cyborg). She did not know about all of his evil deeds. When she said that she felt as his equal, I believe she was speaking in relationship terms. She felt that he treated her as an equal - as someone that he did not try to control or keep things from. Little did she know that this was not the case. After learning the truth, she did learn a few things from the Luthors that she used to help herself get out of a bad situation and to try to protect Clark. As for her thinking that the suit would not corrupt her, I think that is why she went through the extensive training to prepare herself mentally and physically. Having gone through that before, I think she was well aware of the danger and that is why she took such extreme measures to prevent that from happening again. This may make her naive perhaps but not arrogant in my view. From what Imra says in Legion, it seems that she does use her powers for good and is not corrupted by the power.



It's a nice dream to have - but not everyone should get a set of powers just because they got the taste of it once. Especially since that taste of power drove her to go kill a man.

I'm not condoning what she did. To me it was not so much the powers that were the problem as her heart that was the problem. She was hurt and angry and thought that Lex deserved to be punished for all the evil that he had done to others. The powers gave her the ability to do what she normally would not have been able to do, and she was not used to having to bring such power under control. I think she was also frustrated that Clark had stayed on the farm and done nothing to stop Lex knowing all that he had done. Oliver was driven to do the same thing to Lex, and it was not a suit that drove him to do it.



No -- she only found out she could harm Clark AFTER she put it on. Her reasoning for putting it on was not to "protect" Clark. Or even humanity, for that matter. The reason given is that she wants to be with Clark and the only way she'll think she's good enough is if she has the same level of powers he does. She believes that they cannot be together unless she is his "equal".

She knew before she put on the suit that alien technology was used to give the wearer super human powers. It is reasonable that she would assume that such powers could be a threat to Clark. Based on the dialogue from Bulletproof, Legion, Power and Requiem, I disagree that she wore the suit to be good enough for Clark or to be his "equal" so they could be together. I believe that she intended to use the suit to do good in this world (as she told Tess) and that she did not intend to come back to Smallville. I don't think she put on the suit for Clark - she did it because she wanted to "imprint this stamp of positivity" on this world as Carter said.

I think that after she escaped from Lex's men last season she probably wanted to lay low for a while and stay off of Lex’s radar screen while she prepared herself to better resist such attacks in the future. Clark did not know that she had been kidnapped but thought that she left so that she would not hold him back. Perhaps after learning about all the good that Clark was doing, she felt that maybe Clark was better off without her. Even back in season 7 (in the episode Action I think) Lana expressed concern to Clark that she was holding him back from his destiny. I think she still loved Clark and wanted to be with him but felt like they couldn’t be together because Clark’s constant concern for her safety would hinder his work. I think Lana so believed in Clark and the great good that he could do for the world that she gave up what she wanted so that he could fulfill his destiny. I think her decisions are debatable and that she should have gone back to talk to Clark about this, but I think she thought she was doing the right thing for Clark. I think she then tried to bury her feelings and focus on what to do with her life and maybe how she could help both Clark and the world - which led her to the Prometheus suit. Using it, she could keep the technology from being used for evil by Lex and could help make the world a better place.

When she came back for Chloe’s wedding I think it was her feelings for Clark that kept her from leaving again. I think it was after the events of Bulletproof when she learned that Clark still loved her and wanted to try to have a relationship with her that she began to hope that perhaps they could finally be together. I think she had planned on wearing the suit long before she came back and had decided to do so regardless of what happened between her and Clark.



Who is she to decide that? She's basically another Lex Luthor, who believes that she is the one who knows what is the best for mankind and that SHE is the one worthy of wearing a mantle that no one else can.

That is what they tried to make clear - but it rang false when one looks at Lana's past and the reasoning that has been given for Lana's absence.

The only person's heart and motivations that you can truly know are your own. She believes in her heart that she will use the suit for good. Many people aspire to positions of great power (president, military, etc.) to help others, but that doesn't make them arrogant or power hungry. She might be naive, but I don't think she is basically another Lex Luthor. Lex Luthor uses, tortures, experiments on and kills people to increase his own power and further his agenda. Lana only went after the Luthors - two evil people that she felt were a direct threat to her and to Clark.



Well, to start out with, I agree that it was a plot device. And it was a BAD one. Now, in terms of Lana's redemption -- I just don't get that. I think that I would be totally OK with a redemption arc for Lana. But that wasn't a redemption arc. That was an arc that opened more questions and created more conflict, rather than resolving things.

I agree that the whole concept of the Prometheus suit could have been executed better and that it was not well thought out. This is unfortunately typical of Smallville where the ramifications of characters' actions and decisions are often glossed over or forgotten. As for whether or not Lana's character was redeemed, it seems to largely depend on whether you like Lana or not. I feel that during the last part of last season and during this arc that her character was redeemed and that she has learned from her past mistakes. It certainly could have been executed better. Part of the problem was the limited number of episodes that they had to work with given the writers' strike, KK's absence for filming her movie and the limited number of episodes that she would be available for this season.



There are always options and the only reason these options weren't explored was because KK left. Again, that was something that the writers knew - going into the storyline - and they dropped a ball by leaving these questions dangling.

I agree. Sometimes it is pointless on Smallville to try to read too much into why certain characters do certain things. The reason that neither Clark or Lana tried harder to find a cure was because KK was not coming back, not because they didn't love each other enough to fight for their relationship.

[Snowfire]

It amazes me that even with all that Lana has been through to be with Clark and eveything they have endured to be together that some would want Lois to go through the similar fate.

We know how Clark keeps his secrets and how they affect the relationships he as. The angst is already building like it was for Clark and Lana in the first two seasons. And taking into account Clark's relationship with Chloe, and seeing how Lois is replacing her as well in Clark's life, it doesn't look good for Lois. Lana and Chloe have suffered and sacrificed so much for Clark and for anyone to think that Lois is not going to have a hard and difficult path to Clark needs to rewatch the last 8 seasons.

For Clark to even consider falling in love with Lois is asking for trouble. This is a soap opera afterall and love doen't come easy. (Unless they run out of time and have to rush it into existence.)

[Alania]

The angst is already building like it was for Clark and Lana in the first two seasons.


OMG, you are completely right, that last scene in Hex was full of angst!!! :rolleyes: Good lord, their future is darker than Darth Vader :rolleyes: And to think that more is to come is quite the foresight u made! Afterall, this show never suprises us.......:rolleyes:



She knew before she put on the suit that alien technology was used to give the wearer super human powers. It is reasonable that she would assume that such powers could be a threat to Clark. Based on the dialogue from Bulletproof, Legion, Power and Requiem, I disagree that she wore the suit to be good enough for Clark or to be his "equal" so they could be together. I believe that she intended to use the suit to do good in this world (as she told Tess) and that she did not intend to come back to Smallville. I don't think she put on the suit for Clark - she did it because she wanted to "imprint this stamp of positivity" on this world as Carter said.

I think it was both reasons 50-50; since she's become aware of Clark's secret, she knew he wasn't destined to spend his life in Smallville with her, so she figured out a way to be with him and help him. Maybe she wanted to do something greater, partly because she was inspired by Clark's honorableness and will to help people, partly because she wanted to get revenge on Lex. But she never thought that just being a mere human being would be enough, she needed to be "enhanced", preferably on the same level of physical abilities as Clark's. So, 50-50. Now, after she left that barn, is she actually saving the world, fulfulling the other half? Honestly, i wanted to know her whereabouts, for some reason, Clark gave up on her completely. I'm hoping we get answers by season finale, it's pointless to leave this clana door opened, getting random mentions each episode, when the purpouse is for Clark to close this chapter in his life.

[Minela]

It amazes me that even with all that Lana has been through to be with Clark and eveything they have endured to be together that some would want Lois to go through the similar fate.

We know how Clark keeps his secrets and how they affect the relationships he as. The angst is already building like it was for Clark and Lana in the first two seasons. And taking into account Clark's relationship with Chloe, and seeing how Lois is replacing her as well in Clark's life, it doesn't look good for Lois. Lana and Chloe have suffered and sacrificed so much for Clark and for anyone to think that Lois is not going to have a hard and difficult path to Clark needs to rewatch the last 8 seasons.

For Clark to even consider falling in love with Lois is asking for trouble. This is a soap opera afterall and love doen't come easy. (Unless they run out of time and have to rush it into existence.)

Chloe and Lana had a very difficult time with Clark, and that is a understatement. Lois will, too. We know that. But we also know Lois will overcome it all and in the end they will make it work. Something the other two never could. So, I'm cheering for Clois.

[workshyslacker]

I think it was both reasons 50-50; since she's become aware of Clark's secret, she knew he wasn't destined to spend his life in Smallville with her, so she figured out a way to be with him and help him. Maybe she wanted to do something greater, partly because she was inspired by Clark's honorableness and will to help people, partly because she wanted to get revenge on Lex. But she never thought that just being a mere human being would be enough, she needed to be "enhanced", preferably on the same level of physical abilities as Clark's. So, 50-50. Now, after she left that barn, is she actually saving the world, fulfulling the other half? Honestly, i wanted to know her whereabouts, for some reason, Clark gave up on her completely. I'm hoping we get answers by season finale, it's pointless to leave this clana door opened, getting random mentions each episode, when the purpouse is for Clark to close this chapter in his life.

IA. There is such a thing as the unsung heroes who don't need superpowers, do-gooders, philanthropists etc

I'm hoping we don't ever see her again unless I get an ironclad guarantee that she is just a friend and gives him complete closure...

And pigs will fly:\

[Snowfire]

Chloe and Lana had a very difficult time with Clark, and that is a understatement. Lois will, too. We know that. But we also know Lois will overcome it all and in the end they will make it work. Something the other two never could. So, I'm cheering for Clois.

How do you are anyone else know that Lois will overcome it ALL. This isn't a prequel to the Superman story so you and others are purely assuming what will happen because Clois appears to have it so easy in other stories. But this is Smallville, nothing is set in stone. We are all in the same passenger seats on this ride, only the driver knows where we are going.

[workshyslacker]

How do you are anyone else know that Lois will overcome it ALL. This isn't a prequel to the Superman story so you and others are purely assuming what will happen because Clois appears to have it so easy in other stories. But this is Smallville, nothing is set in stone. We are all in the same passenger seats on this ride, only the driver knows where we are going.

I'm confused. How is this not a prequel to the Superman story?

[Snowfire]

OMG, you are completely right, that last scene in Hex was full of angst!!! :rolleyes: Good lord, their future is darker than Darth Vader :rolleyes: And to think that more is to come is quite the foresight u made! Afterall, this show never suprises us.......:rolleyes:



I think it was both reasons 50-50; since she's become aware of Clark's secret, she knew he wasn't destined to spend his life in Smallville with her, so she figured out a way to be with him and help him. Maybe she wanted to do something greater, partly because she was inspired by Clark's honorableness and will to help people, partly because she wanted to get revenge on Lex. But she never thought that just being a mere human being would be enough, she needed to be "enhanced", preferably on the same level of physical abilities as Clark's. So, 50-50. Now, after she left that barn, is she actually saving the world, fulfulling the other half? Honestly, i wanted to know her whereabouts, for some reason, Clark gave up on her completely. I'm hoping we get answers by season finale, it's pointless to leave this clana door opened, getting random mentions each episode, when the purpouse is for Clark to close this chapter in his life.

I love how dismissive you are of all Lana has sarcrificed to be a worthy human being and someone equal enough to Clark. People change in relationships and they both have for the better, for each other.

Clark become Mortal for Lana and to live a life he thought would be easier for everyone but that wasn't meant to be. And then Lana acquired the suit and attained a powers that made her Super. It makes much more sense then the other way because they both know how much the world needs heroes to protect from people like Lex.

Lana chose to be a hero because Clark showed her the reason why he does all he does. Someone who aspires to be good person in their lovers eyes would want to be equal to them not some victim/distraction/burden. Everything Clark wanted he finally found in Lana when he told her how he dreamed of sharing his life with someone, working side by side like his parents did. Lana is that person and they proved it. The only thing that stands in their way is the krptonite. Their love, committment and cause still remain, even if they can't do it together. Legion gave us a clue of the good Lana will do and clevely left out whether she and Clark would find their way back togther. Requiem left the Clana door wide open and only Lana and Clark can close it, together. He can't decide for the both of them since neither ended anything they just decided to separate. Clark is better than that but who knows what TPTB might make him do.

[SuperheroFan87]

Sorry guys, I have to weigh in on the Batman/SV topic for a minute. Now it is important to know that mythos Clark and SV Clark are two vastly seperate entities.

That being said, The Bat Embargo is a myth, a cover-up by Hollywood CEOs to suppress the real truth............and the real truth is:

Bruce Wayne would just simply emasculate SV Clark on levels that would be disturbing and uncomfortable to view, and after the horrid Clana arc............SV Clark just wouldn't stand a chance! That and the violence and gore factor would rise to levels not fit for television because SV's Clark would be receiving an @ss whuppin' every five minutes and he'd be a bloody, broken, unrecognizable pulp.

And Bruce would see "parts" of Lois that SV's Clark will never see, because 1. He won't make a damn move to ask her out. 2. Bruce WOULD OWN SV's Clark and the Clois embargo would be in effect to make room for BROIS!!!!:p

[liana]

I'm confused. How is this not a prequel to the Superman story?

I have no idea. Every single time AlMiles got asked about SV, they always said that they were not allowed to change the outcome: Clark becoming Superman, Lois becoming his wife, and Lex being his nemesis. They repeated it a lot of times.

I guess because, recently, it was said that SV was 'almost' an Elseworld, people are assuming that means the outcome will be different. However, changing the outcome was never the purpose of the show. The main purpose was a different retelling of the journey. The end point is exactly the same.

[Snowfire]

I'm confused. How is this not a prequel to the Superman story?

Because Smallville has been telling its own story for 8 years, redefining and restructuring all of what we think we know. It's created it own world and reimagined each character to fit its own story. Some similiarities will arise, they have to, but we can not assume the future because we've seen Superman's story many times before, but we've never seen a story all about Clark Kent but more precisely Smallville the title setting of the series. Don't get me started on how the title is no longer making sense, with so much of the story being set in Metropolis.

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I have no idea. Every single time AlMiles got asked about SV, they always said that they were not allowed to change the outcome: Clark becoming Superman, Lois becoming his wife, and Lex being his nemesis. They repeated it a lot of times.

I guess because, recently, it was said that SV was 'almost' an Elseworld, people are assuming that means the outcome will be different. However, changing the outcome was never the purpose of the show. The main purpose was a different retelling of the journey. The end point is exactly the same.

Again this makes no sense what you're saying because there is no end point. The original source of inspiration, the comics, are continuously being written. They will never end so how can anyone presume how it will end. Let alone a show inspired by multiple sources and already defying the mythos so much.

The less you focus on what other sources say just focus on Smallville and the story its been telling for 8 years now. Whatever they have in store for the end will be just that the end, because this series can not go on forever.

[workshyslacker]

Because Smallville has been telling its own story for 8 years, redefining and restructuring all of what we think we know. It's created it own world and reimagined each character to fit its own story. Some similiarities will arise, they have to, but we can not assume the future because we've seen Superman's story many times before, but we've never seen a story all about Clark Kent but more precisely Smallville the title setting of the series.

However, it is still a Superman prequel story. SV has its own continuity, and interpretation, but it still has to line up with the main tenets of Superman; Clark ends up with Lois, Clark and Lana will never be so Clana is dead. Lex Luthor is his enemy. SV is not an elseworld, it has to adhere to certain rules. DC will not allow otherwise.

http://www.smallvilleph.com/2009/03/gregory-noveck-talks-smallville/



“So, in its own way, its no different than New Frontier or from anything else we do in the comics that’s almost an Elseworlds title. Fans at the end of the day know what the Superman continuity is from the comic books. This is another version of that continuity, re-told in a different way, moving the chess pieces around the table a little bit."



Don't get me started on how the title is no longer making sense, with so much of the story being set in Metropolis.

I'm glad you pointed this out. SV is so far removed from its roots that its now in Superman territory. Either that, or we're not watching the same show.

[supes0]

However, it is still a Superman prequel story. SV has its own continuity, and interpretation, but it still has to line up with the main tenets of Superman;

Yep. That's why he says "almost an Elseworlds title"

Smallville is more like a live action DC version of Ultimate Marvel.

[liana]

Again this makes no sense what you're saying because there is no end point. The original source of inspiration, the comics, are continuously being written. They will never end so how can anyone presume how it will end. Let alone a show inspired by multiple sources and already defying the mythos so much.

The less you focus on what other sources say just focus on Smallville and the story its been telling for 8 years now. Whatever they have in store for the end will be just that the end, because this series can not go on forever.

Smallville was introduced as a prequel for Superman life. Of course it will not go on forever. It is supposed to go on until the moment Clark becomes Superman. That is the main end point. However, this point doesn't only consist of Clark becoming Superman. It has him with a double identity working at the Daily Planet, in love with Lois Lane. Those are main points of Superman story, and have been there for years. Maybe the Daily Planet used to be Daily Star, and the editor wasn't Perry White, but the double identity, both journalist and hero, and the main romantic love interest have remained the same for 80 years. So, when I say that the end point is the same, I mean that the end point is supposed to align with what we have come to know as Superman's story.

Clark will have a double identity. He will be known as Superman (as the Legion from the future repeated to him), Lois Lane will be the great love of his life, he will become a great journalist, and Lex Luthor will always be his nemesis. Those points are the basic Superman mythos. Smallville is NOT allowed to change this end point. And this has been stated since day one.

However it can change the journey to get there, and that is what it is been doing for 8 years. It is retelling the story of Clark Kent before he becomes Superman, not after. The "after" is left for the Comics or any other Superman media. If the basic facts, the ones that everyone recognises as Superman story is changed, then you are not telling his story any more. It is just someone that happens to also be called Clark Kent.

If this is not a Superman origin story, then why did the creators repeatedly said it was? Maybe, just maybe, because it was always supposed to be an origin story. It was never supposed to be anything but that.

[Alania]

I love how dismissive you are of all Lana has sarcrificed to be a worthy human being and someone equal enough to Clark. People change in relationships and they both have for the better, for each other.

I don't know whether dismissive is the word; in fact, writers are dismissing clana episodes by putting Clark Kent making eyes at Lois and being jealous of her three episodes later. She didn't sacrifice herself, she wanted it all the way, she did it out of own free will and never once i saw her regreting that. When u make sacrifices, u usually suffer along the way, which wasn't her case, she was becoming stronger and fearless. Fact is she put on that bizar suit to achieve her goals and the reason i see for doing so is some low self-esteem issue, she's thought she needed to be more than her "fragile" oldself.


Lana chose to be a hero because Clark showed her the reason why he does all he does. Someone who aspires to be good person in their lovers eyes would want to be equal to them not some victim/distraction/burden.

I agree with you here when u say not wanting to be a victim, but why did she think she couldn't handle a life with Clark just being herself? What was the problem in being just Lana Lang? This "victim" or distraction part she didn't wanna play could be changed without pulling so many strings, like going for that G.I Jane training and bizar suit. That shows to me low self esteem before Clark. She left him in season 7 and went for this "training" till she thought she was ready to come back and surprise Clark with a new and improved Lana Lang. She's always had that problem with him, she's always thought she was inferior to him, that he needed to protect her 24-7 and when a chance to change all that came into her life, she grabbed with both hands and never asked Clark for some help. Anyway, i can't talk too much, cause this is not a Lana Lang thread, i just thought i had to reply to you.


Everything Clark wanted he finally found in Lana when he told her how he dreamed of sharing his life with someone, working side by side like his parents did. Lana is that person and they proved it.

They didn't prove anything to me, that is subjectiveness on your part. Clark only stated he wanted someone like that, but i don't remember him saying: "and that person is you, Lana."


The only thing that stands in their way is the krptonite. Their love, committment and cause still remain, even if they can't do it together. Legion gave us a clue of the good Lana will do and clevely left out whether she and Clark would find their way back togther. Requiem left the Clana door wide open and only Lana and Clark can close it, together. He can't decide for the both of them since neither ended anything they just decided to separate. Clark is better than that but who knows what TPTB might make him do.

The bolded part, as much as i don't like, it was the message, they can't be together because she's toxic. And that's what i hope to get answers far ahead, cause, despite that dramatic reason, Clark gave up on her instead of trying to pursue a cure.

[Snowfire]

If and/or when that happens I will agree but til then no of us can speak for Smallville or DC and what will be shown in the series. So far everything you mentioned ties right back to Lana and she's not the "end point".

The double identity has its source in Clark's interactions with Lana. She was the first person in the series to call him Superman. She is, has been shown and been called the love of his life. He became a journalist after Lana left and he needed something to do. The reason Lex became his nemesis was because became the cause of Lana's separation from him. So I could care less about the Superman mythos, I only care about Clark's mythos which has been given to us for 8 years now.

There's one more year of surprises left to see how far they will go to either abide by tradition or create its own.

[amberdawn]

Legion gave us a clue of the good Lana will do and clevely left out whether she and Clark would find their way back togther.
I thought it was pretty obvious why they left that out. It's because he doesn't end up with Lana, he ends up with Lois.

[BadToad]

So I could care less about the Superman mythos, I only care about Clark's mythos which has been given to us for 8 years now.

Funny, it sounds to me like you only care about Lana's mythos. If you cared about Clark's, then maybe you'd be able to see him as an individual, seperate and apart from Lana.

Also, Clark and Lex were at odds way before Lana. The situation with her may have upped the stakes, but it most certainly isn't the root cause. Lana was just another chapter in the Clark/Lex relationship.

I suspect the Lana arc could be debated for years. :lol: I did just want to address this one point


I think she had planned on wearing the suit long before she came back and had decided to do so regardless of what happened between her and Clark.

And I agree with this, which is another reason why Lana's "great love" for Clark falls apart for me. And why this storyline was so awful, from just about every direction. On one hand, you could make the arguement, as eas did, that Lana decided to acquire the suit because she felt like she needed it in order to be "equal" to Clark, so she could be with him. Which, if true, suggests that Lana doesn't really know Clark very well, and apparently doubts Clark's ability to love her as she is. Or, you can assert what I just quoted, that Lana had decided that that she would acquire the suit and use it, and whatever Clark thought about it was of no consequence to her whatsoever. Which suggests that Lana's desire for power, her "noble goal", was of much greater importance to her then Clark, and her supposed great love for him.

For me, no matter which way I contemplate that arc, its just awful, and every single way makes me think much less of Lana's character. Its so strange, because I have no doubt the writers were going for "Lana is the Bestest!". IMO, they were amazingly off the mark.

To bring this back to the threads subject, I think Clark knows he has feelings for Lois. I think he knows it could be something significant. But I also think he's just not ready, or willing, to make any sort of romantic moves in his life. And IMO, I think thats a good thing, and shows maturity. Until he gets his head, and his life, together, he probably isn't in the right place to embark on another chance at a lasting love. But I have no doubt that Lois is on his mind. JMO

[liana]

I thought it was pretty obvious why they left that out. It's because he doesn't end up with Lana, he ends up with Lois.

Something that the producers repeated in Interviews more than once, and they had thrown a lot of anvils about that since Lois appeared in SV in season 4. And Lois Lane was the first name the Legion brought up when they started talking about Clark's future.

When Saturn Girl and Lana talked and Lana asked her about her and Clark, Saturn Girl immediately started telling her that she will be known as more than Clark's love interest, clearly implying that they don't end up together. Not to mention that before this talk, Irma contemplated their picture with a very sad expression on her face. Her expression said it all. :\

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Funny, it sounds to me like you only care about Lana's mythos. If you cared about Clark's, then maybe you'd be able to see him as an individual, seperate and apart from Lana.

That is what it looks like. It is like, apart from Lana, he is not allowed to live. :(



Also, Clark and Lex were at odds way before Lana. The situation with her may have upped the stakes, but it most certainly isn't the root cause. Lana was just another chapter in the Clark/Lex relationship.

I agree. For me, the moment where Clark truly becomes Lex's nemesis was the moment he found out Lex was responsible for Lionel's murder. Before that, he even promised little Lex in Fracture that he wasn't going to give up on him yet. :( Lana was a great part of what happened, for sure, but she wasn't the main reason. If Lex had turned out to be a good man, Clark and he would have remained friends as we saw in Lexmas.

[supes0]

Clark gave up on her instead of trying to pursue a cure.

They both gave up immediately. Lana asks one person if they have a cure. Neither of them try asking Oliver to put his team on it, even if it took years. Clark had the legion ring, didn't think about using it.

What is going on with the fortress? No mention of looking for blue kryptonite, with both their powers, they could cover a lot of ground.

It's like they both threw up their hands and said okay, next!

Weeks later Clark is smiling, happy go lucky, moving on with his life. Defending Tess to Chloe for attempting to kill Lana.

Poor storytelling due to external real life factors, absolutely.

But in the context of what we see on screen, Clark has quickly moved past it, even toasting moving on with Chloe in Hex.

But this isn't a Lana thread....

[amberdawn]

But in the context of what we see on screen, Clark has quickly moved past it, even toasting moving on with Chloe in Hex.

Indeed. Poor writing? Yes. But poor writing shouldn't surprise anyone at this point. With this show, it's pretty much what you see is what you get.

[supes0]

That is what it looks like. It is like, apart from Lana, he is not allowed to live. :(

Perhaps it explains a lot of the uproar when Season 9 was confirmed. ;)

[Crouching Lurker]

I agree. For me, the moment where Clark truly becomes Lex's nemesis was the moment he found out Lex was responsible for Lionel's murder. Before that, he even promised little Lex in Fracture that he wasn't going to give up on him yet. :( Lana was a great part of what happened, for sure, but she wasn't the main reason. If Lex had turned out to be a good man, Clark and he would have remained friends as we saw in Lexmas.

The stage was even set right from the first episode with the car accident that Lex eventually became obsessed with and trying to get Clark to trust and confide in him. He just became more and more frustrated, resentful and finally underhanded (Blank, for example) to get answers. Which made Clark keep his cards even closer to his vest. Lana eventually just became a pawn in all that, something to be used to win the battle. Lex won, heh. :lol: Anyway, whatevah, what's this thread about?

Ah yes, Lois. I voted he's falling in love...getting there. Can't wait for Stiletto, Doomsday, and of course season 9. :)

[workshyslacker]

If and/or when that happens I will agree but til then no of us can speak for Smallville or DC and what will be shown in the series.


That's right. I provided the link and quote to show you that the vice president of DC's creative affairs said this. I think I made my point.



The double identity has its source in Clark's interactions with Lana. She was the first person in the series to call him Superman.
Where is your source?



She is, has been shown and been called the love of his life.
Where is your source?


He became a journalist after Lana left and he needed something to do. This is your interpretation.


The reason Lex became his nemesis was because became the cause of Lana's separation from him.
Is this the sole reason? Can we have a source?


So I could care less about the Superman mythos, I only care about Clark's mythos which has been given to us for 8 years now.
If you said that you follow SV's continuity and that's all you care about, then I would begin to understand you. If you say you follow Clark's mythos, then I would disagree because Clark's mythos is Superman's.

With all due respect, I can't follow your logic. You haven't provided sources to back up any of these claims. The rest of your argument is all down to interpretation.

[Snowfire]

I don't know whether dismissive is the word; in fact, writers are dismissing clana episodes by putting Clark Kent making eyes at Lois and being jealous of her three episodes later. She didn't sacrifice herself, she wanted it all the way, she did it out of own free will and never once i saw her regreting that. When u make sacrifices, u usually suffer along the way, which wasn't her case, she was becoming stronger and fearless. Fact is she put on that bizar suit to achieve her goals and the reason i see for doing so is some low self-esteem issue, she's thought she needed to be more than her "fragile" oldself.


I agree with you here when u say not wanting to be a victim, but why did she think she couldn't handle a life with Clark just being herself? What was the problem in being just Lana Lang? This "victim" or distraction part she didn't wanna play could be changed without pulling so many strings, like going for that G.I Jane training and bizar suit. That shows to me low self esteem before Clark. She left him in season 7 and went for this "training" till she thought she was ready to come back and surprise Clark with a new and improved Lana Lang. She's always had that problem with him, she's always thought she was inferior to him, that he needed to protect her 24-7 and when a chance to change all that came into her life, she grabbed with both hands and never asked Clark for some help. Anyway, i can't talk too much, cause this is not a Lana Lang thread, i just thought i had to reply to you.



They didn't prove anything to me, that is subjectiveness on your part. Clark only stated he wanted someone like that, but i don't remember him saying: "and that person is you, Lana."



The bolded part, as much as i don't like, it was the message, they can't be together because she's toxic. And that's what i hope to get answers far ahead, cause, despite that dramatic reason, Clark gave up on her instead of trying to pursue a cure.

You can see what you want with those looks but they are meant to be vague. They are bones in comparison to the meat we Clana fans got when Clark looked at Lana.
Now that was a visual feast. And 8 years of it too. So if any of these so called "looks" looked anything like the ones we've seen Clark make before to Lana then you might have a case. Clark has not said or showed he's given up or moved on from Lana so no one can claim he has. And last time Kryptonite was neutralized he had a spaceship handy. Where is going to find one now?

Also, what's wrong with a power suit. Batman has one. If Lana is weak and fragile for acquring a suit to give her enhance capabilities and abilities then you are already dismissing a majority of superheroes. Lana has just followed the same path many superheroes have gone to achieve greater powers and responsibilities.

And when has Lana ever felt inferior to Clark?! After she finally found out his secret in S6 she never said or implied anything like that. If anything Clark has both an inferiority complex in the years leading up his confession in S6 and then in S7 he developed a momentary superiority complex when she wasn't living up to his expectation of her, and looked down on her for mistakes her committed in the past too. Lana for her part knows now that being with Clark demands her to step up and become more than just a mere human. A man as super as Clark needs a woman who can be the same thing. Anyone is Clark's life has to be greater than they were to be on his level. Even Lois has had her moments of power-enhancement and who knows what the epiosde Stiletto will have Lois do to make her more heroic. Nearly every character on Smallville, if not all, has had some power or been powerful. It's tradition.

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That's right. I provided the link and quote to show you that the vice president of DC's creative affairs said this. I think I made my point.

Where is your source?

Where is your source?

This is your interpretation.

Is this the sole reason? Can we have a source?

If you said that you follow SV's continuity and that's all you care about, then I would begin to understand you. If you say you follow Clark's mythos, then I would disagree because Clark's mythos is Superman's.

With all due respect, I can't follow your logic. You haven't provided sources to back up any of these claims. The rest of your argument is all down to interpretation.

It's all in the 8 years of Smallville. Not on some DC website. I'll give you one though in the Pilot Lana asked Clark, "are you a man or Superman?". It's all there but you refuse to see it and listen. Okay I'll give you one more. Clark and Lex stopped being friend once Lex started dating Lana, and they became enemies once Clark learned what he did to her.

If you saw the things I saw maybe then you'ld understand the logic. I'm not imagining all the things that the 8 years of Smallville have shown me. And that's been Clana.

[workshyslacker]

You can see what you want with those looks but they are meant to be vague. They are bones in comparison to the meat we Clana fans got when Clark looked at Lana.


Interpretation.



Now that was a visual feast. And 8 years of it too. So if any of these so called "looks" looked anything like the ones we've seen Clark make before to Lana then you might have a case.
I don't think you have one either.



Clark has not said or showed he's given up or moved on from Lana so no one can claim he has. And last time Kryptonite was neutralized he had a spaceship handy. Where is going to find one now?
Yes, this is why I think Clana is not the endpoint for Clark. It's Clois.



Also, what's wrong with a power suit. Batman has one
Batman does not have a power suit. He has a leather suit with nifty gadgets, like Ollie's. The point about Batman is that he has NO superpowers but relies upon honed skills, combat fighting, agility and strength, all within human realms. He is an athlete that relies on gadgets.



If Lana is weak and fragile for acquring a suit to give her enhance capabilities and abilities then you are already dismissing a majority of superheroes. Lana has just followed the same path many superheroes have gone to achieve greater powers and responsibilities.
Again, Spiderman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman do not have power suits. And most were born with power or have it thrust upon them. They did not take a suit that did not belong to them.



And when has Lana ever felt inferior to Clark?! After she finally found out his secret in S6 she never said or implied anything like that. If anything Clark has both an inferiority complex in the years leading up his confession in S6 and then in S7 he developed a momentary superiority complex when she wasn't living up to his expectation of her, and looked down on her for mistakes her committed in the past too. Lana for her part knows now that being with Clark demands her to step up and become more than just a mere human. A man as super as Clark needs a woman who can be the same thing. Anyone is Clark's life has to be greater than they were to be on his level. Even Lois has had her moments of power-enhancement and who knows what the epiosde Stiletto will have Lois do to make her more heroic. Nearly every character on Smallville, if not all, has had some power or been powerful. It's tradition.
Interpretation. No sources.

Good night

[Alania]

They both gave up immediately. Lana asks one person if they have a cure. Neither of them try asking Oliver to put his team on it, even if it took years. Clark had the legion ring, didn't think about using it.



Weeks later Clark is smiling, happy go lucky, moving on with his life. Defending Tess to Chloe for attempting to kill Lana.

Poor storytelling due to external real life factors, absolutely.

But in the context of what we see on screen, Clark has quickly moved past it, even toasting moving on with Chloe in Hex.

But this isn't a Lana thread....

All true! lana gave up too, she just left without giving him a chance to help her. I'll say with this bad writing. That is why i was disagreeing in this clana-clois transition and i was not caught up in th clois love fever, cause i'm not ok at all!!! I so wanted them to give Clark some ship-free time.....


You can see what you want with those looks but they are meant to be vague. They are bones in comparison to the meat we Clana fans got when Clark looked at Lana.

I don't think u got me; the bones i see is with Clois, not Clana, by having Clark making eyes and being jealous at Lois, cause they won't be able to continue to build up the relationship, so they feed the ship with these little moments in a couple of more Lois's episodes till season finale. But, they are dismissing clana episodes when they create clois moments right after clana hardcore love. I don't like admitting it, but it's the way i'm seeing Lois and Clark being biuilt up right now.


Also, what's wrong with a power suit. Batman has one. If Lana is weak and fragile for acquring a suit to give her enhance capabilities and abilities then you are already dismissing a majority of superheroes. Lana has just followed the same path many superheroes have gone to achieve greater powers and responsibilities.
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I can't back u up on this. Lana and her suit have nothing to do with superheroes suit. Superhero wear it as an alter ego, to hide their faces, to be able to fight for justice and not be recognized among the people. Lana's suit was not an alter-ego, was just a way she found the enhance herself. Superheroes usually don't have self-esteem issues, they put on the suit to disguise themselves, not to try and be someone's equal.


And when has Lana ever felt inferior to Clark?! After she finally found out his secret in S6 she never said or implied anything like that.

The fact that she wanted to be Clark's equal to join him in his mission shows an inferiority complex.


If anything Clark has both an inferiority complex in the years leading up his confession in S6 and then in S7 he developed a momentary superiority complex when she wasn't living up to his expectation of her, and looked down on her for mistakes her committed in the past too. Lana for her part knows now that being with Clark demands her to step up and become more than just a mere human. A man as super as Clark needs a woman who can be the same thing. Anyone is Clark's life has to be greater than they were to be on his level. Even Lois has had her moments of power-enhancement and who knows what the epiosde Stiletto will have Lois do to make her more heroic. Nearly every character on Smallville, if not all, has had some power or been powerful. It's tradition.

Clark has no self-esteem issues, he's just trying to adjust his life, cope with his abilities and find the balance. Lana was no help at all on this matter, thus the seven years of stallment. There's no need at all to be superhuman to handle Clark. Lois does that without any problems. And please, leave her out of this discussion, never once i brought her up in order to not create character's war. All the times Lois had powers she was on something and it wasn't consciously.The stiletto episode is not even close to Lana's phsycosis of being Clark's equal; that is just a move she's pulling the get to the RBB, to allure him, since she will be creating a sort of alter-ego. She does anything to get the story, that's her default setting to the point of getting into a lot of trouble, but never, in any way, to be RBB's equal and Lana's "save the world together" chant she had with Clark.

Sorry, i can't stay anymore, buddy, life outside k-site calls me. If anything, i'll post more later.

[Snowfire]

Interpretation.

I don't think you have one either.

Yes, this is why I think Clana is not the endpoint for Clark. It's Clois.


Batman does not have a power suit. He has a leather suit with nifty gadgets, like Ollie's. The point about Batman is that he has NO superpowers but relies upon honed skills, combat fighting, agility and strength, all within human realms. He is an athlete that relies on gadgets.

Again, Spiderman, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman do not have power suits. And most were born with power or have it thrust upon them. They did not take a suit that did not belong to them.

Interpretation. No sources.

Good night

Honey, my interpretations are just as valid as yours but I don't need to use a mythos to justify all I've seen on Smallville since day one. Some people watch the show and have no concept of Superman. They are the lucky ones. But at least they can enjoy Smallville, like I do, for what it is. Its own unique story.

[amberdawn]

It's own unique story.

But in the end it's really not. The basis for SV IS the Superman story. Clark becomes Superman, works at the DP with Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen, falls in love with and ends up with Lois.

[RPintorO]

You can see what you want with those looks but they are meant to be vague. They are bones in comparison to the meat we Clana fans got when Clark looked at Lana.
Now that was a visual feast. And 8 years of it too. So if any of these so called "looks" looked anything like the ones we've seen Clark make before to Lana then you might have a case. Clark has not said or showed he's given up or moved on from Lana so no one can claim he has. And last time Kryptonite was neutralized he had a spaceship handy. Where is going to find one now?

Also, what's wrong with a power suit. Batman has one. If Lana is weak and fragile for acquring a suit to give her enhance capabilities and abilities then you are already dismissing a majority of superheroes. Lana has just followed the same path many superheroes have gone to achieve greater powers and responsibilities.

And when has Lana ever felt inferior to Clark?! After she finally found out his secret in S6 she never said or implied anything like that. If anything Clark has both an inferiority complex in the years leading up his confession in S6 and then in S7 he developed a momentary superiority complex when she wasn't living up to his expectation of her, and looked down on her for mistakes her committed in the past too. Lana for her part knows now that being with Clark demands her to step up and become more than just a mere human. A man as super as Clark needs a woman who can be the same thing. Anyone is Clark's life has to be greater than they were to be on his level. Even Lois has had her moments of power-enhancement and who knows what the epiosde Stiletto will have Lois do to make her more heroic. Nearly every character on Smallville, if not all, has had some power or been powerful. It's tradition.

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It's all in the 8 years of Smallville. Not on some DC website. I'll give you one though in the Pilot Lana asked Clark, "are you a man or Superman?". It's all there but you refuse to see it and listen. Okay I'll give you one more. Clark and Lex stopped being friend once Lex started dating Lana, and they became enemies once Clark learned what he did to her.

If you saw the things I saw maybe then you'ld understand the logic. I'm not imagining all the things that the 8 years of Smallville have shown me. And that's been Clana.

You refuse to realize that in every interpretation of the Superman mythology, it's been Lois Lane that comes up with the name Superman, not Lana....Lana has always been the minor character. Sorry miss, you can't change history.

Too bad....no more Clana....it's OOOOOOVERRRRRRRRR:lol:

I HOPE YOU CRY...:rotfl: Man this feels good!!!

[supes0]

To bring this back to the threads subject, I think Clark knows he has feelings for Lois. I think he knows it could be something significant. But I also think he's just not ready, or willing, to make any sort of romantic moves in his life. And IMO, I think thats a good thing, and shows maturity. Until he gets his head, and his life, together, he probably isn't in the right place to embark on another chance at a lasting love. But I have no doubt that Lois is on his mind. JMO

I agree with this.

MHO, You distilled it to it's core with this line "he knows it could be something significant".

He does and I think it rattles him, Lois has always brought both the best & worst from him, she is able to reach him in a way others can't, and he doesn't like it.

At the end of the day, Lana called it when she said "the best ones always start that way".

[herolee10]

I believe that with hearing Chloe's conversation with Clark at the end, along with Clark's hesitancy towards pursuing something with Lois and yet his actions have been showing that he really does care for her, Clark does realize from all of this that he does feel deeply for Lois.

And it's even possible that Clark knows that if he and Lois were to get together at this point, he would fall deeply in love with her, and perhaps more in love with her then he has ever been before in Clark's mind, and that's what scares him as well.

[Mickey_Bickey]

*fingers crossed they handle Clois/Lois/Clark right*

*fingers crossed*


But he is the show's Batman, or the closest we'll ever due to the Bat embargo. He's a playboy billionaire, he dresses up in leather with lots of nifty gadgets, he has a sometimes antagonistic relationship with Clark, he went out with Lois (Superman; the animated series), he has a piece of kryptonite (never told Clarkie, right?)... and he's much cooler than Clark.

He's Batman-lite, and I love him for all the same reasons I love Bats. And on this show, I'll take what I can get. *raises hand* I'd like some Ollie please!

I have to agree completely with your Oliver interpretation! Love him!


In defence of Brois.. I counter that! Check out the other vids under the same person.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEIQE9z6hmk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvEbaPmgzIw&feature=related

and the other ones which you will need to register for full access...:D

And I'll take WB's BW over SV's Clark anyday :\

Those videos especially the first one were hot! I can see what you mean about Bois, but I still have to say Clois is just a little bit better!:lol:


Take this Bois:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hJe1HpwJjc

Not crazy about the music, but it's an incredibly action packed Clois video! Lots of humor to it too!;):D

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I say it everywhere, one of the constant in Clark's character is : he is slow:D
If there is an adjective for this guy (except his magic, stellar and divine's behaviour:p)it is for sure this one. SLOW:lol:;)

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As always, I have to agree with Michèle on this too. Melissa, Alania:D:p;)

:lol: We always think alike, Karine!!;):D

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What's that? A kind of Clois smoochie?! :lol: If i drink that i'll definitely take a drive on the clois highway!! Don't turn me into the dark side (or would it be light side?), Michele, u know i can't resist my ship!!!!!!!!!!!!!!




*stares without blinking*. Nope, sorry, Mel, but TW is the winner! I'll stick with him, even if he's not convincing me yet!!!:p


There you go, Alania! Now you're talking!!:lol:;)

[Doright]

One thing I think people need to keep in mind is that Love is not a yes or no thing.

Love is something that grows and matures.

Does Clark "love" Lois right now? Yes.

Is it the same "love" that he will be feeling for her 10 years from now when they are happily married? No. But it will grow into that.

Clark and Lois are in that stage of love where their love could grow into romantic love or friendship love. There is attraction, affection, and mutual enjoyment of each others company. They are past the "like" stage but they are not at the romantic stage yet.

It is just as much love as any other. It just needs to grow more.

[herolee10]

I've had this disscussion on over boards.

One thing I think people need to keep in mind is that Love is not a yes or no thing.

Love is something that grows and matures.

Does Clark "love" lois right now? Yes.

Is it the same "love" that he will be feeling for her 10 years from now when they are happily married? No. But it will grow into that.

Clark and Lois are in that stage of love where thier love could grow into romantic love or friendship love. There is attraction, affection, and mutual enjoyment of each others company. They are past the "like" stage but they are not at the romantic stage yet.

It is just as much love as any other. It just needs to grow more.


exactly. Erica Durance said it herself that this year is the spice of Lois and Clark's relationship where they both come to realize their true feelings for each other.

[Mickey_Bickey]

OMG, you are completely right, that last scene in Hex was full of angst!!! :rolleyes: Good lord, their future is darker than Darth Vader :rolleyes: And to think that more is to come is quite the foresight u made! Afterall, this show never suprises us.......:rolleyes:

What angst in the last scene of Hex? There was no angst at all but a complete and determined look on Clark's face as he watched Lois leave. Also, when Lois turned there was a quick look of sadness, but for a split second (literally)!

That was one of the best executed scenes between Clark and Lois ever on this show!! The dialogue was on, the characters were fun, confident and playful! It was quite the opposite of anything we've seen with Clark and Lana! Not even a comparison!

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exactly. Erica Durance said it herself that this year is the spice of Lois and Clark's relationship where they both come to realize their true feelings for each other.

Yes, it was her December interview! I remember it well!:)

[herolee10]

What angst in the last scene of Hex? There was no angst at all but a complete and determined look on Clark's face as he watched Lois leave. Also, when Lois turned there was a quick look of sadness, but for a split second (literally)!

That was one of the best executed scenes between Clark and Lois ever on this show!! The dialogue was on, the characters were fun, confident and playful! It was quite the opposite of anything we've seen with Clark and Lana! Not even a comparison!

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Yes, it was her December interview! I remember it well!:)

was it the December one? I was talking about the one..actually the last one that she did, the one where she was talking about Infamous, and where she said that her favorite hero was superman in such a cute way.

[Doright]

What angst in the last scene of Hex? There was no angst at all but a complete and determined look on Clark's face as he watched Lois leave. Also, when Lois turned there was a quick look of sadness, but for a split second (literally)!

That was one of the best executed scenes between Clark and Lois ever on this show!! The dialogue was on, the characters were fun, confident and playful! It was quite the opposite of anything we've seen with Clark and Lana! Not even a comparison!

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Yes, it was her December interview! I remember it well!:)



I think I'd classify that last scene as Angst. Not heavy no future angst but there was a feeling of a missed opportunity there. Just adding some drama to the relationship. A scene that shows they had a moment where the chance to move forward was there and now that window closed. Doesn't mean there won’t be more windows open in the future. :)

[Mickey_Bickey]

It amazes me that even with all that Lana has been through to be with Clark and eveything they have endured to be together that some would want Lois to go through the similar fate.

We know how Clark keeps his secrets and how they affect the relationships he as. The angst is already building like it was for Clark and Lana in the first two seasons. And taking into account Clark's relationship with Chloe, and seeing how Lois is replacing her as well in Clark's life, it doesn't look good for Lois. Lana and Chloe have suffered and sacrificed so much for Clark and for anyone to think that Lois is not going to have a hard and difficult path to Clark needs to rewatch the last 8 seasons.

For Clark to even consider falling in love with Lois is asking for trouble. This is a soap opera afterall and love doen't come easy. (Unless they run out of time and have to rush it into existence.)


I disagree with your post. Clark and Lois' relationship has never been soap operish. It's the only relationship on this show that has always been entertaining simply because of the interaction between these two.

This episode was proof of this. The last scene was a far cry from the angsty relationship of Clark and Lana from the first couple of seasons. Believe me, I've been watching the show since S1, and there's no comparison.

Clark and Lois' relationship as will any relationship have it's ups and downs, but the most interesting and entertaining aspect of their relationship is their dynamic. They are both stronger around each other and love to tease one another. It's fun to watch. Their banter is as legendary as Scarlett O'Hara and Rhett Butler or Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennett. I enjoy those types of relationships rather than ones that focus on angst and misery. Bottom line, Clark and Lois are exciting to watch together no matter what they're doing.

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I think I'd classify that last scene as Angst. Not heavy no future angst but there was a feeling of a missed opportunity there. Just adding some drama to the relationship. A scene that shows they had a moment where the chance to move forward was there and now that window closed. Doesn't mean there won’t be more windows open in the future. :)

No, angst is the end of Requiem. This was Lois putting her walls up to protect herself. Clark's look was a far cry from "darn I missed my opportunity". It was a look of determination and realizing that he's not adding that rule to his list, in fact quite the opposite.;)

[Doright]

I disagree with your post. Clark and Lois' relationship has never been soap operish. It's the only relationship on this show that has always been entertaining simply because of the interaction between these two.

This episode was proof of this. The last scene was a far cry from the angsty relationship of Clark and Lana from the first couple of seasons. Believe me, I've been watching the show since S1, and there's no comparison.

Clark and Lois' relationship as will any relationship have it's ups and downs, but the most interesting and entertaining aspect of their relationship is their dynamic. They are both stronger around each other and love to tease one another. It's fun to watch. Their banter is as legendary as Scarlett O'Hara and Rhett Butler or Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennett. I enjoy those types of relationships rather than ones that focus on angst and misery. Bottom line, Clark and Lois are exciting to watch together no matter what they're doing.


I agree.

I think the biggest reason for your comment I bolded that is the fact that we know the relationship has a future. IMHO.

I have always said I think the biggest problem with the Lana relationship was the fact we as views KNEW there was no happy ever after there.

[Mickey_Bickey]

was it the December one? I was talking about the one..actually the last one that she did, the one where she was talking about Infamous, and where she said that her favorite hero was superman in such a cute way.


Yes, it was December, and it was when she said "My favorite superhero is Superman" then giggled! She didn't mention Infamous in that interview, but everyone speculated that it was that episode she was talking about.

I didn't hear the "wow, do we really love each other", etc. so I think that will be at a later date. Although, it could have been in Infamous, but then cut!:(

[Loulou26]

I disagree with your post. Clark and Lois' relationship has never been soap operish. It's the only relationship on this show that has always been entertaining simply because of the interaction between these two.

This episode was proof of this. The last scene was a far cry from the angsty relationship of Clark and Lana from the first couple of seasons. Believe me, I've been watching the show since S1, and there's no comparison.

Clark and Lois' relationship as will any relationship have it's ups and downs, but the most interesting and entertaining aspect of their relationship is their dynamic. They are both stronger around each other and love to tease one another. It's fun to watch. Their banter is as legendary as Scarlett O'Hara and Rhett Butler or Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennett. I enjoy those types of relationships rather than ones that focus on angst and misery. Bottom line, Clark and Lois are exciting to watch together no matter what they're doing.

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No, angst is the end of Requiem. This was Lois putting her walls up to protect herself. Clark's look was a far cry from "darn I missed my opportunity". It was a look of determination and realizing that he's not adding that rule to his list, in fact quite the opposite.;)


ITA:D I think this shows real promise but i just hope that they don't rush into it because Clark needs to be 100 percent sure that he's over Lana first

[herolee10]

I disagree with your post. Clark and Lois' relationship has never been soap operish. It's the only relationship on this show that has always been entertaining simply because of the interaction between these two.

This episode was proof of this. The last scene was a far cry from the angsty relationship of Clark and Lana from the first couple of seasons. Believe me, I've been watching the show since S1, and there's no comparison.

Clark and Lois' relationship as will any relationship have it's ups and downs, but the most interesting and entertaining aspect of their relationship is their dynamic. They are both stronger around each other and love to tease one another. It's fun to watch. Their banter is as legendary as Scarlett O'Hara and Rhett Butler or Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennett. I enjoy those types of relationships rather than ones that focus on angst and misery. Bottom line, Clark and Lois are exciting to watch together no matter what they're doing.

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No, angst is the end of Requiem. This was Lois putting her walls up to protect herself. Clark's look was a far cry from "darn I missed my opportunity". It was a look of determination and realizing that he's not adding that rule to his list, in fact quite the opposite.;)


Interestingly enough, Clark and Lois apart from Jonathan and Martha, are the only couple who has a happy ending, even better then Jonathan and Martha's because neither of them will die young.

Indeed, out of all the ships on SV, only the pairing of Clark and Lois will get passed through all the hardships sent at them.

[Mickey_Bickey]

I agree.

I think the biggest reason for your comment I bolded that is the fact that we know the relationship has a future. IMHO.

I have always said I think the biggest problem with the Lana relationship was the fact we as views KNEW there was no happy ever after there.

I think everyone always knew there was no future for Clark and Lana, but even without knowing about Clark and Lois' future, just by looking at Clark's face (watch it again) I would still get the impression he was not going to give up! What an incredible scene and look from TW!

[herolee10]

Yes, it was December, and it was when she said "My favorite superhero is Superman" then giggled! She didn't mention Infamous in that interview, but everyone speculated that it was that episode she was talking about.

I didn't hear the "wow, do we really love each other", etc. so I think that will be at a later date. Although, it could have been in Infamous, but then cut!:(

well she did mention on how Clark would be revealing some intimate details about himself and about his origins, and that's what happened in Infamous.

[Mickey_Bickey]

Interestingly enough, Clark and Lois apart from Jonathan and Martha, are the only couple who has a happy ending, even better then Jonathan and Martha's because neither of them will die young.

Indeed, out of all the ships on SV, only the pairing of Clark and Lois will get passed through all the hardships sent at them.

Yes! I agree, Thomas! Let's just hope they write Clark and Lois' relationship well. I loved this episode and hope that it's indicative of the future!

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well she did mention on how Clark would be revealing some intimate details about himself and about his origins, and that's what happened in Infamous.

That's what worries me that it was Infamous. I think after the S9 and Lana debacle, they reshot the barn scene. Perhaps there was supposed to be a declaration of love and a kiss! It's too bad they cut that out, but you know more than 1/2 the people would have been crying foul play after Power and Requiem! I really wish those episodes never aired!

[Jack-El49]

I disagree with your post. Clark and Lois' relationship has never been soap operish. It's the only relationship on this show that has always been entertaining simply because of the interaction between these two.

This episode was proof of this. The last scene was a far cry from the angsty relationship of Clark and Lana from the first couple of seasons. Believe me, I've been watching the show since S1, and there's no comparison.

Clark and Lois' relationship as will any relationship have it's ups and downs, but the most interesting and entertaining aspect of their relationship is their dynamic. They are both stronger around each other and love to tease one another. It's fun to watch. Their banter is as legendary as Scarlett O'Hara and Rhett Butler or Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennett. I enjoy those types of relationships rather than ones that focus on angst and misery. Bottom line, Clark and Lois are exciting to watch together no matter what they're doing.

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No, angst is the end of Requiem. This was Lois putting her walls up to protect herself. Clark's look was a far cry from "darn I missed my opportunity". It was a look of determination and realizing that he's not adding that rule to his list, in fact quite the opposite.;)


Dang! "Gone With the Wind" and "Pride and Prejudice" in the same post! Well done, Michele! I like the sparring whether they are exploring their feelings or together as a couple. That's the magic of ED and TW's chemistry.

The reason this relationship cannot be the same as Lana or Chloe is that if they presented it that way, there would be no reason for him not to be with Lana or Chloe.

He can be concerned about those things, but if the writers get their heads out of their ass and let it be a mature and important relationship rather than a subplot that strings the audience along, they'll show a different relationship with Lois which would punctuate why she is his soul mate and he is hers.

I pray that is the way they portray it because if they fall back to the same old themes they had with Lana, I won't watch it because it would be disrespectful to the characters and to the mythos.

[Mickey_Bickey]

ITA:D I think this shows real promise but i just hope that they don't rush into it because Clark needs to be 100 percent sure that he's over Lana first

I think that "cheers to that" comment was Clark saying finally that he was ready to move on from her. I for one am glad the writers didn't have him moping around! How awful would that be?;)

[ClubXerxes]

Clark and Lois' relationship as will any relationship have it's ups and downs, but the most interesting and entertaining aspect of their relationship is their dynamic. They are both stronger around each other and love to tease one another. It's fun to watch. Their banter is as legendary as Scarlett O'Hara and Rhett Butler or Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth Bennett.

I wouldn't say their banter is on par with Darcy and Elizabeth Bennett (not close), but Clark most certainly fits the Darcy mold, and Lois (with her spunk and aggressive but feminine nature) is also very Elizabeth Bennett-like...nice observation!

[Mickey_Bickey]

Dang! "Gone With the Wind" and "Pride and Prejudice" in the same post! Well done, Michele! I like the sparring whether they are exploring their feelings or together as a couple. That's the magic of ED and TW's chemistry.

The reason this relationship cannot be the same as Lana or Chloe is that if they presented it that way, there would be no reason for him not to be with Lana or Chloe.

He can be concerned about those things, but if the writers get their heads out of their ass and let it be a mature and important relationship rather than a subplot that strings the audience along, they'll show a different relationship with Lois which would punctuate why she is his soul mate and he is hers.

I pray that is the way they portray it because if they fall back to the same old themes they had with Lana, I won't watch it because it would be disrespectful to the characters and to the mythos.

I'll be right there with you on that, Jack!! I won't stand for the writers turning Lois and Clark into Clana! I think after watching this episode they won't! Lois and Clark's characters were never better! Hopefully, this trend continues! They got it right through Bride, so I can't imagine that TW and ED would let them turn their characters into the fans' worst nightmare!

BTW, I'm impressed you knew they were from Gone With The Wind and Pride and Prejudice! I'm not surprised though!;):D

[Jack-El49]

I think that "cheers to that" comment was Clark saying finally that he was ready to move on from her. I for one am glad the writers didn't have him moping around! How awful would that be?;)

That's how I took that statement too. Close the door on the past and move on.

I don't understand why so many people think Lois, who is clearly in love with Clark that she'd cry at Chloe's wedding because she missed a kiss with him can just move on so easily but Clark cannot? I think Clark can and has decided to move on from Lana. Does that mean he's head over heels for Lois? Not yet, I don't think. But it's happening and Infamous showed him she could handle his secret, would protect it with her life, and would be accepting of it.

Moping Clark? It would suck! That's why I don't want him doing it over Lois either. I want him to decide he wants her and that she's as important to him as his destiny is and moves forward pursuing both of them decisively. No more whimpy, mopey or gutless Clark. How about giving us a hero?

[Mickey_Bickey]

I wouldn't say their banter is on par with Darcy and Elizabeth Bennett (not close), but Clark most certainly fits the Darcy mold, and Lois (with her spunk and aggressive but feminine nature) is also very Elizabeth Bennett-like...nice observation!

I would say they are on par! I have the A & E version of Pride and Prejudice and have probably watched it 100 times! I absolutely see a modern Darcy and Bennett. I've also read the book, but that was a very long time ago.:) Thank you!

[EternalTwilight]

I think that "cheers to that" comment was Clark saying finally that he was ready to move on from her. I for one am glad the writers didn't have him moping around! How awful would that be?;)

I liked that moment and it delivered the same message to me, that he was ready to move on. Although, it felt like he's accepting that he can't be with Lana for circumstances that are beyond his control and therefore he has no choice but to move on. I don't know, I need more to convince me that she's not second choice. But I really appreciated that scene.

[ClubXerxes]

I would say they are on par! I have the A & E version of Pride and Prejudice and have probably watched it 100 times! I absolutely see a modern Darcy and Bennett. I've also read the book, but that was a very long time ago.:) Thank you!

I own that series...pretty unheard of (for a dude), but it was (and remains) one the best works I have ever seen on television. Colin Firth is awesome...but Mr. Collins steals the show!

[Jack-El49]

I'll be right there with you on that, Jack!! I won't stand for the writers turning Lois and Clark into Clana! I think after watching this episode they won't! Lois and Clark's characters were never better! Hopefully, this trend continues! They got it right through Bride, so I can't imagine that TW and ED would let them turn their characters into the fans' worst nightmare!

BTW, I'm impressed you knew they were from Gone With The Wind and Pride and Prejudice! I'm not surprised though!;):D

Yes - I have a partner! I hold out hope that they will develop it like in Episodes 1 - 10, only a little faster now that other things have happened that build on 1 - 10, minus the setback of the Arc of Shame. I just fear that laziness will overtake them and leave the creative stuff in the chest and use the old angst, silly plot devices, and irrational fear to string us along hoping there will be a season 10.

I'm just a product of public education! The fact I knew the references would probably shock many of those teachers, too. :lol:

[herolee10]

I liked that moment and it delivered the same message to me, that he was ready to move on. Although, it felt like he's accepting that he can't be with Lana for circumstances that are beyond his control and therefore he has no choice but to move on. I don't know, I need more to convince me that she's not second choice. But I really appreciated that scene.

well I think the fact that Clark hasn't been looking for a cure for Lana's problem, or that he didn't use the Legion ring to undo her fate, or even get Zatanna to do something about it, is really a sign that he's just accepted it for what it is and is moving on.

I mean if Clark was heads over heals in love with Lana like he was back in season 5, then he would have done one of those things but he didnt.

I mean, had it been him and Lois in that situation where the K bomb was located, he would have found another way..Like oh I dont know, instead of absorbing the radiation, wouldn't it have made better sense to throw it far in the sky..lol

[Mickey_Bickey]

I liked that moment and it delivered the same message to me, that he was ready to move on. Although, it felt like he's accepting that he can't be with Lana for circumstances that are beyond his control and therefore he has no choice but to move on. I don't know, I need more to convince me that she's not second choice. But I really appreciated that scene.

I think just the fact that they are going to do a tad bit of "rebuilding" it will show the entire audience why Lois Lane is the woman he's happiest with. He would never have the happiness with anyone else, and that doesn't make her second choice.

I am married and have been for 8 years. My husband had a girlfriend in college who he cared very much for, but she had another year left. Who's to say what would have happened had she graduated the same year as he. Am I second choice? I think not. Sometimes life diverts us to another path, and often those paths are better than the ones we were on initially unbeknownst to us at the time.;):)

[melissan02]

Sorry guys, I have to weigh in on the Batman/SV topic for a minute. Now it is important to know that mythos Clark and SV Clark are two vastly seperate entities.

That being said, The Bat Embargo is a myth, a cover-up by Hollywood CEOs to suppress the real truth............and the real truth is:

Bruce Wayne would just simply emasculate SV Clark on levels that would be disturbing and uncomfortable to view, and after the horrid Clana arc............SV Clark just wouldn't stand a chance! That and the violence and gore factor would rise to levels not fit for television because SV's Clark would be receiving an @ss whuppin' every five minutes and he'd be a bloody, broken, unrecognizable pulp.

And Bruce would see "parts" of Lois that SV's Clark will never see, because 1. He won't make a damn move to ask her out. 2. Bruce WOULD OWN SV's Clark and the Clois embargo would be in effect to make room for BROIS!!!!:p

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Joe, you came to my rescue, my fellow Bat friend!;) Thanks!

WONDERFUL! Read it and weep folks...read it and weep!!:p

WORD!

[Mickey_Bickey]

I own that series...pretty unheard of (for a dude), but it was (and remains) one the best works I have ever seen on television. Colin Firth is awesome...but Mr. Collins steals the show!

OMG! That's too funny!! I do love it too, and Colin Firth is the bomb in that! He told his friends he got the role and most of them laughed and said "Isn't Darcy supposed to be handsome and sexy?"! Nice vote of confidence, huh? LOL! Well, he proved to them that he was that and then some! I only wish they showed them married! I wish there was a sequel!

"She's tolerable I suppose, but not handsome enough to tempt me! Bingley, I'm in no mood to give consequence to women who have been slighted by other men."!:lol:

[herolee10]

I think just the fact that they are going to do a tad bit of "rebuilding" it will show the entire audience why Lois Lane is the woman he's happiest with. He would never have the happiness with anyone else, and that doesn't make her second choice.

I am married and have been for 8 years. My husband had a girlfriend in college who he cared very much for, but she had another year left. Who's to say what would have happened had she graduated the same year as he. Am I second choice? I think not. Sometimes life diverts us to another path, and often those paths are better than the ones we were on initially unbeknownst to us at the time.;):)

exactly...and even in the comics, Clark in his early days had a serious thing with Lori Lemaris, the mermaid and had planned on marrying her, but due to her being a mermaid, they couldn't get together..so they separated, but it wasn't because they didn't want to.

But yet, no one questions that the Clark now who is happily married to Lois picked her to be his second choice. Lois still comes out as the best choice and as his soulmate